Trump Just Ended H1B Visas In Major Crackdown, Charging $100k Per Visa w/ Patrick Casey

Summary

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Timcast IRL – September 20, 2025

Episode Title: Trump Just Ended H1B Visas In Major Crackdown, Charging $100k Per Visa w/ Patrick Casey
Host: Tim Pool (A)
Guests: Patrick Casey (C), Tate Brown (D), Phil Labonte (E)

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Overview

This episode unpacks Donald Trump's executive order imposing a $100,000 yearly fee on H1B visas—a move many panelists agree will effectively end the program and spark seismic changes in the U.S. labor market. The panel explores how this policy aligns with longstanding MAGA priorities, weighs its consequences for American workers, and views it as a dividing line within Trump's coalition. The conversation then branches into mass immigration, the weaponization of identity groups in politics, cultural decline signified by America’s gambling boom, media polarization amidst the Kimmel/Colbert controversies, and the escalation of political violence post-Charlie Kirk's assassination.

Exchanges are marked by Tim Pool’s irreverent, rapid-fire style, with sharp takes and dark humor interspersed with more somber analyses of the state of American society and politics.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Trump’s $100,000 H1B Visa Fee: End of the Program?

• Summary: Trump’s executive order effectively prices out most companies from sponsoring foreign workers with H1B visas, with a $100,000 annual fee—up from standard application costs.
• Tim Pool (A) [06:06]: "Ain't nobody spending $100,000 to hire a guy for $35k. So this is effectively ending the H1B visa program as far as anyone's concerned."
• Patrick Casey (C) [06:27]: "The argument that it's about getting the best talent from all over the world is totally dishonest. Other visas already exist for top talent—this was always about undercutting American wages."
• Details:
  • The fee is annual, not a one-time cost.
  • Wage floors for H1B also rise from ~$60k to $150k.
  • Lottery replaced by a 'highest bidder' approach [15:55].
  • Effectively, only the mega-wealthy companies seeking very rare talents will participate, not run-of-the-mill outsourcing.
  • Panelists agree: This neutralizes “cheap labor displacement” and should raise wages for Americans in tech and entry-level roles.

2. Abuse and Coercion in Visa and Immigrant Labor Systems

• Phil Labonte (E) [08:08]: “When someone gets an H1B visa... their residency is connected to having a job. So it turns them into basically an indentured slave... it really becomes a tool of coercion by a company.”
• Broader Point: Such systems facilitate worker exploitation and even human trafficking under the guise of legal immigration. The conversation links this to slave-like conditions in immigrant-dense businesses.

3. Immigrant Political Power & Dual Loyalties

• Discussion: The panel warns about the rise of ethnic/immigrant enclaves and their elected officials allegedly lobbying for foreign interests.
• Tim (A) [21:44]: "What are we gonna do when people build big followings of foreign individuals and then run for office, financing their campaign with money made from abroad?"
• Citing Ilhan Omar & Rashida Tlaib as examples: Arguing that immigrant politicians are rewarded for serving non-American (e.g., Somali, Palestinian) causes.
• Patrick (C) [26:09]: "When you bring people over in large amounts, they're less likely to assimilate... What immigrants are assimilating to now could be Black Lives Matter and liberalism generally."
• Tone: Dire, warning of the fracturing of national identity and values.

4. Media Polarization: The Kimmel/Colbert Saga

• Tim (A) [36:36]: "Colbert, I think, is basically like—they canceled the contract, but I’m stuck here. So maybe he’s poking the bear to get fired and become a martyr."
• Phil (E) [29:57]: “He’s worth $75 million; don’t you just want to put your feet up and ride off into the sunset?”
• Insight: The late-night TV legacy is dead; younger generations don’t tune in, and the only audience left is aging boomers.
• Political Fallout: The left’s “comedic” class is out of touch, and their controversies are met with glee or scorn by a divided culture.

5. Escalating Political Violence

• Backdrop: Assassination of Charlie Kirk, bomb threats at RFK Jr.'s home, shots fired at an ABC station.
• Tim (A) [94:11]: "It's been a week: congressional staffer set on fire, bomb threat at RFK's, shooting at ABC. Five years ago this would be front page news; now it’s just, 'oh, okay.'"
• Prediction [70:15]: Tim suggests the U.S. is entering an era of right-wing authoritarianism, citing inspiration from El Salvador’s drastic anti-crime reforms.
• Patrick (C) [76:53]: "In an ideal situation you don’t have to adopt harsh measures to have a safe society. But once crime’s eroded the social fabric, it’s do you let your country die, or fix it?"

6. Decline Markers: Casinos, Gambling, Social Decay

• Social Commentary: The proliferation of slot parlors, sports gambling, weed stores, and Dollar Generals is painted as evidence of civilizational decline.
• Patrick (C) [56:36]: “There’s an aspect to decline you can’t quantify—an aesthetic thing... it just doesn’t feel good.”
• Nostalgia: Old 'vice' had a social, communal aspect; now, Americans engage in atomized, isolated behaviors.

7. Cancel Culture: Tables Turning

• Now the left is getting fired for ‘dancing on Charlie's grave’ on social media.
• Tim (A) [101:18]: "Cancel Culture was when people were fired for things that were not objectionable... Now, a dude gets shot and killed, you're posting videos celebrating, and you're fired—suddenly, that's cancel culture?"
• Phil (E) [96:43]: "They canceled the president. Welcome to the world you created."

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Patrick Casey [06:27]: "It's a program almost explicitly designed to undercut American wages, particularly in the tech role."
• Phil Labonte [08:08]: "A lot of times their residency is connected to having a job. So it turns them into basically an indentured slave."
• Tim Pool [21:44]: "What are we going to do when people build big followings of foreign individuals?... Their interest is lobbying for a foreign country."
• Tim Pool [36:36]: "I think Colbert’s trying to get fired so he can go on the liberal martyr circuit."
• Tim Pool [70:15]: "We are looking at a high probability of a right wing authoritarian form of government for the next decade plus."
• Tim Pool [76:53]: "Bukele has revolutionized that country... Would we not want that same kind of reform for the United States now?"
• Tim Pool [94:11]: "It's been one week: congressional staffer dies being set on fire, bomb threat at RFK Jr's, shooting at an ABC station... This stuff was front page news five years ago. Now it’s just, oh, okay."

Important Segment Timestamps

• [06:06] — Deep dive into the new H1B visa fee and economic implications.
• [08:08] — Discussion on H1B visa workers as 'indentured servants'.
• [15:40] — Details on the wage floor hike and further visa crackdowns.
• [21:44] — Foreign influence and immigrant-based political lobbying in Congress.
• [36:36] — The Kimmel/Colbert late-night drama and mainstream media's decline.
• [70:15] — Prediction of right-wing authoritarian response and comparison to El Salvador.
• [76:53] — Debate on civil liberties versus authoritarian crackdowns for safety.
• [94:11] — Escalation of political violence with bomb threats, shootings, and assassinations.
• [101:18] — Reflection on cancel culture—leftists face consequences for celebrating assassination.

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Tone & Approach

The panel blends cynical humor, populist resentment, and unfiltered analysis. They use anecdotal evidence, sharp wit, and a sense of pessimism about America’s direction—occasionally lightened by jabs at cultural absurdities (e.g., slot machines, the decline of late-night TV). A “we warned you” attitude pervades, especially in discussions about cancel culture, immigration, and polarization.

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Conclusion

This episode frames Trump’s H1B move as a populist triumph with broad labor implications, while casting elite opposition as fundamentally anti-American. Their discussion reflects anxieties about immigration-driven identity politics, a decaying social fabric, and looming political violence. The podcast closes with a resolute sense that America stands at a dangerous precipice—shaped by choices, resentments, and the culture wars of the last decade.

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For further detail, consult individual timestamped exchanges above.

Transcript

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[A]

Donald Trump has effectively ended the H1B visa program. Now it still exists because he can't just get rid of it. But he's going to be charging $100,000 per visa, which as you know, basically nukes, almost all of them. No company is going to spend $100,000 to bring in some dude from India to to work for a $40,000 a year job. So there is some nuance to this. We will talk about it. Other news, ongoing ICE protests. A far left congressional candidate got tossed to the ground. Everyone's talking about it. We'll go over that pepper spray, tear gas, all that stuff being deployed. And then we've got Stephen Colbert's response to Jimmy Kimmel being taken off the air. And surprise, surprise, he's doubling down saying Jimmy Kimmel didn't say anything wrong, showing the clip and basically without overtly saying it, implying that the assassin of Charlie Kirk was MAGA. Because everyone's crazy. We'll talk about that. And AOC is gonna run for president in 2028. So I hope y' all are ready before we get started. We got a great sponsor. It is Beam dream. Go to shop b-e a m.com and pick up your Beam Dream. I've been drinking the brownie batter flavor. For those that don't know, this is a delicious cup of hot cocoa you drink in every night. I've been drinking it every night. It's got amazing stuff. It's got L theanine, it's got magnesium it's got melatonin. And boy, let me tell you, I sleep better than ever. It's pretty crazy. I mean, and you guys know I just had a baby, too, right? Yeah. Nope, sleep is still really great. I drank some of this stuff, and I wake up feeling like a million bucks. Even when I got to get up sometimes in the middle of the night, you know, sometimes you got to do that. I can't believe how much this stuff has actually improved my sleep. My sleep score has improved dramatically. Guys, go to shop B-E-A-M.com timpool and you will get 30, 35% off for a limited time. This stuff's only got 15 calories. You don't wake up groggy. I. I wake up and I'm just, like, straight out of bed. I feel like I am 19 years old again. Shout out to Beam for sponsoring the show. And don't forget my friends, to also check out timcast.com click join us. Get in that Discord server. There are tens of thousands of people. They're all hanging out, they're having a party, and they're wondering why you're not there. But you can come because you're invited. Join [e-mail] as a member of the Discord. We are working on a bunch of special events. We're trying to get our. Our main coffee shop open. I know it's been taking a long time, but at the bare minimum, you can call in to the uncensored portion of the show. We do that Monday through Thursday here on Tim Cast Iris at 10:00pm Also, don't forget, smash that like button. Share the show with everyone you know. Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Patrick Casey.

[C]

Hey, thank you for having me on, Tim.

[A]

Who are you? What do you do?

[C]

So, I'm a writer, editor. I have a podcast. It's called Restoring Order. Post a lot on Twitter. It's kind of like Paleo con commentary on things happening in the. In the world.

[A]

Right on. Thanks for hanging out. Tate's here.

[D]

What's up, guys? Tate Brown here, holding it down. Happy to be here.

[E]

Hello, everybody. My name is Phil Labonte. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band all that Remains. I'm an anti communist and counter revolutionary. Let's get into it.

[A]

Here's the news from axios. Trump seeks $100,000 visa fee for temporary skilled workers. Trump announced that highly skilled workers hoping to work in America will now have to pay a $100,000 fee to receive an H1B visa. Multiple outlets reported H1B visas divided Trump's mega coalition, with some arguing foreign employees displace American workers, while business leaders like Elon Musk view them as vital to America's tech dominance. Trump also signed an order to create a gold card to sell US residency for $1 million. This, as far as anyone's concerned, this ends H1B. And I'll tell you what, when they say high skilled workers, that's not H1B. People have been posting job offers they found from, like, various recruiters where they're looking for, like, low level managers for $35,000 a year. And you don't need to recruit from India or any other foreign country for that. What they're really doing is trying to get cheap labor from foreign countries that will take a job in America but will work for less, displacing American workers. So Trump, he just split the baby, right? The big tech people said, no, we need H1B. And they were saying American workers are lazy. And then you get the working class MAGA people who are like, no way, dude. These. Why are we competing with these people from foreign lands? So Trump says, okay, if you really want to hire somebody because you can't find anybody else, you got to pay $100,000. Now guess what? If a company really genuinely needs an engineer from a foreign country and they can't find anybody here in the United States, they might pay the hundred thousand dollars. Why? Because this person's gonna get paid 400 grand as it is. They might say, okay, fine, we'll pay. We'll pay that fee because we need the employee low skill labor being imported to displace American workers. Ain't nobody spending $100,000 to hire a guy for 35k. So this is effectively ending the H1B visa program as far as anyone's concerned.

[D]

Yeah, I mean, they had system or software engineered listings for like 60 grand in San Jose.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

And it was absolutely ridiculous. Like, they're making it abundantly clear that they were undercutting American wages. And then. Yeah, you had like yoga instructors listed for H1B.

[A]

Like it was instructors. Yeah, yeah.

[D]

It was a major company and they had a yoga instructor listed.

[A]

To be fair, you probably should get someone from India for that. Otherwise it's cultural appropriation.

[D]

Yeah, it's true.

[A]

Yeah. You don't want to be racist.

[E]

Cultural. Cultural appropriation is good, though.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was just madness.

[C]

So, yeah, proponents of the H1B program make this really bad argument that it's. It's Totally dishonest. That it's about scooping up the best talent from around the world and bringing people in. We have other visas that do that for like, you know, the brilliant mathematician and whatever else. The H1B program is a program almost explicitly designed to undercut American wages, particularly in the tech role. But as we've seen with some of these job postings. Yeah, it's all across the board.

[E]

Tim had actually done some digging the other day. And it's not just the H1B visas. There are multiple visas that are basically the useless. Well, the, the O1 is useless, a good one, but that are, that are basically useless. Basically just, you know, some excuse to bring in a worker that, you know, to give them a job that could be filled by an American. So I think that the H1 getting rid of the, or making the H1B financially unrewarding for people is a good start. But I think that's just it. It's just a start. Like, sure, there's no reason to import workers to do jobs that Americans can do.

[D]

Yeah. And there's also like what, an 85,000 job cap supposedly on it. So it's like if the argument is we're bringing in high skilled applicants and then they use a lottery system to decide who's actually getting these visas. And it totally kills the point of if it was high school in the first place. And then, yeah, once you dig a little bit, you realize this is even high school. This is just a jobs programmer.

[A]

If you, if you get really good at yoga, do you learn how to breathe fire? My only, my only exposure to yoga is passively watching romcoms and Street Fighter 2.

[E]

My, my girlfriend does like pregnant yoga.

[A]

Oh.

[E]

So that's no fire breathing, no fire.

[A]

Dangerous for a pregnant woman.

[E]

She's not. I don't, I don't think so. I think it's, I think it's safe. So. But.

[A]

Okay, good.

[E]

But I mean, the, another thing about the H1B visas, when someone gets an H1B visa, a lot of times their residency is connected to having a job. So it turns them into basically an indentured slave or indentured server. So the company can do things like, oh, you have to work this weekend. And then if they're like, no, I don't want to, it's like, well, maybe you do want to because you want to stay here, you know, and, and it really, it becomes a tool of coercion by a company to, you know, tell a worker or two American workers.

[C]

You know, they're so Entitled. They want these things called raises. And, you know, maybe they want to take job, you know, breaks and vac and things like that, but you can pluck a guy out of some war torn, you know, third world village and he's not going to ask for any of that.

[A]

Yeah, I actually, I actually figured it out here at Tim Cast. We. We don't give raises. We. You get a. You get an annual pay decrease. And if you're really good, we'll keep your salary at the same level. So everyone's really fighting real hard.

[D]

Yeah, yeah. You can't even get a smoke break anymore because of these H1Bs, you know. Now it's a Zen break.

[E]

What's going on and you can do while you're here.

[D]

Yeah, it's getting crazy out here.

[A]

Doesn't Tucker Carlson have his own brand of zins out does.

[D]

Yeah, yeah. Damp.

[A]

It's a little wild. Is that bad?

[D]

Well, I don't want. It feels like it's been pre, you know, sucked on.

[A]

Oh, that's weird. Like, pause, pause.

[C]

Someone else already used it or something nicely.

[A]

Yeah, that's a good idea. Like, we should sell gum where when you open it up, it looks like gum with bite marks in it. And you know, as far as a little wet.

[E]

The priest sucked on. It's like, what he's really doing is he's taking. He's getting all of his friends that use it.

[D]

It's all these H1 give them to.

[E]

Him and he just resells it.

[D]

Yeah, it's these.

[A]

Get them out and throw them in a thing and repackage them.

[E]

He's like, I'm gonna make millions.

[A]

Does he's. Does he actually use them? He, like, sticks them in his mouth.

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

So it doesn't, like, make your gums rot and your teeth fall out eventually?

[E]

No, no.

[D]

Well, actually, not according to rfk.

[E]

So I've done a little actually reading on it. And as far as I know, the nicotine pouches and stuff like that, they're not, They're. They're not a carcinogen. They don't rot your gums. They don't, you know, because nicotine itself isn't a carcinogen. It's all the other stuff that usually comes along.

[D]

I'm a heavy Zen user, though, and I did feel like the wal. I'm getting thinner and thinner.

[E]

Are you sure about that? Are you just, like, neurotic?

[A]

Stop doing it.

[C]

It restricts your. It's a vasoconstrictor nicotine. So it might, it might Be restricted. But you're right that it's not. It's not like it's definitely cancerous.

[D]

The healthiest way to use nicotine, which in and of itself is harmless.

[E]

It's not the most awesome. I tell you what, I miss Mars like a madman.

[C]

It doesn't have the same, like, gravitas. Smoking. It's better than vaping, though.

[E]

It's better than way more than on robot D. Yeah.

[A]

How you're supposed to jog well while you zin. And then what happens is your body starts conflating the Zen nicotine with jogging. And you'll be like, I gotta go for a run, man. And you'll get really. You'll get, like, super fit.

[D]

That's probably.

[E]

It's not a bad idea.

[D]

Well, you can use Zen if you're like. If you're really trying to get into a habit, you can use it as, like, a reward. So then you're addicted to the habit because you're gonna get Zen, dude.

[A]

That's it.

[E]

Genius.

[A]

Well, it's just addicted to Zen. But.

[E]

But you.

[A]

You. You trick your body by engaging in that routine behavior. And then, I mean, just.

[E]

Just talking about this. I can't wait to get home. I want to smoke a cigar.

[D]

Well, that's what they're saying. It's like, some dating advice is. I don't know if this is legal, but you can, like, put a nicotine pouch on the person that you want to date.

[C]

You know, I'm just probably not legal, but not legal.

[D]

This is not advice.

[A]

Hey, that'll break the restraining order, bro.

[E]

Come on.

[D]

Been doing this H1B apparently. Yeah, but the camera go out.

[A]

Maybe so on. That's right. That I was so. Okay. Yeah, it's fine. But anyway, we were talking about not letting people into the country.

[D]

Yeah, well, yeah, that's the thing is, like, it does feel the H1B is because the green card process takes so long that, yeah, they just become, like, total indentured servants. And that's the pitch people are making most often. But I'm also like, yeah, but this just harms Americans. Like, it sucks for them, but it's probably better than being in India.

[A]

But people don't realize that a lot of these. Like, when you go to, like, a Chinese nail salon and stuff like that, when you go to places where it's very clearly all immigrant workers and it's a trend. These people are all slaves. Right. I don't draw a distinction between indentured servants and slave. I mean, maybe I'm being A little, a little hyperbolic, but you'll go to like a Chinese food restaurant. Everybody working there is Asian. What they do is the company will sponsor somebody or someone will sponsor somebody and they'll say, we'll bring you over here. It's going to cost 20 grand and you're going to work until you pay it off. But it's ridiculously difficult to pay off when they're paying you three bucks an hour or whatever. And then you're getting chargebacks, you're getting paid properly, but you have no control of the money because your contract deal is in a different country. This is kind of like when we saw the Chinese police stations in North America. We can say you can't do that here, but they can hold contracts on other countries while they're here.

[D]

Yeah, that's weird.

[C]

Yeah. A good, A good. It's a good argument against mass immigration because it shows when you have, like, the mass transfer of people from one country to ours that, like, there's still that connection back to their country. And in a lot of ways, you know, it could be secret, you know.

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[C]

DP police. It could be weird labor stuff going on someone. It builds a connection that you might not want to have. And I would say we shouldn't have.

[A]

Someone just super chat or chatted. Check the H1B Reddit. So I did.

[D]

Oh, they're crashing out right now.

[A]

Oh dude, it is, it is crazy. They've never had more activity on their subreddit than now. It's official executive order just signed about the $100,000 fee. Look at this administration reviewing. Oh, that's from a month ago. 55 million holders for violations RIP H1B program. Let's go look at this. In 2025, the total number of H1B is roughly 730,000, which is less than 0.5 of the total US workforce of over 170 million. Rest in peace. I'm telling you. People were saying, like I said, the title of the video is Trump just ended the H1H1B program because it is an effective termination. And there are people being like, no, we did. It's still there, bro. I'm telling you this, it is cooked right. Ain't nobody's gonna bring on some $30,000 a year ice cream store manager now when they got to pay $130,000 for it.

[C]

It also raised the, the wage floor for the H1BS from like 60k to 150k. So you have to pay these people way more. Which obviously, you know, if these are the best and brightest from around the world and there shouldn't be a problem there. But obviously that's not what the program is.

[A]

It re incentivizes American hiring and it.

[C]

Replaced the lottery dynamic of the H1B with kind of a highest bidder thing. So it's a, it's a great policy. And I just want to point out that there have been people claiming for like a year now that Donald Trump was going to like massively expand the H1B program. There was some viral post like a few days ago and all of these people are just totally wrong. These people that just lie about Trump all the time.

[A]

So apparently it gets better. It's not 100,000 for the visa. It's 100,000 every year.

[E]

Oh, yeah, Even worse.

[A]

Yeah, it's a yearly fee.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yo, I like, man, look at this. A hundred thousand per year. As good as canceling H1BS altogether.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yes, yes, yes. Not worth it. Even for Those who make 200,000.

[E]

Why is there an H1B visa Reddit page? What's that?

[A]

Right?

[E]

Okay.

[C]

It's people from around the world trying to get into our country using this program. And they're talking about how maybe not gaming the system, probably a bit of that, but how you can make sure your application gets approved.

[E]

I guess the follow up question, question to that is, does ICE know that.

[D]

This is free game?

[E]

Yeah, Right. You know, well, people are violating the law.

[D]

H1B is in disarray. Panic is in disarray. Jimmy Kimmel's in disarray.

[A]

This is great now for the rest of us Americans. But wait, there's more from NBC News. Tear gas used on protesters at Chicago area ICE site as immigration crackdown escalates. Federal officers and camouflage and riot gear clashed as demonstrators blocked vehicles in protest of Trump's expanding enforcement sweep. Well, I do believe we have video. Wait, where did I put that video?

[E]

Get the spicy smoke.

[A]

Where's that video we have? I don't know. Where? Oh, here it is. Here it is. It's in the back for some reason. Here you go. Here's Kat Abu Gazela getting. Getting shoved. And then she slips. Shame. So I got. I got a question about this, right? Why do we tolerate a bunch of people screaming and blocking and obstructing law enforcement?

[E]

That guy didn't.

[A]

I know, but, like, there's a. There's a video of a guy, like, shaking his butt.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Cops being like, shoot me. And I'm like, why don't you just arrest them all? Honest question. I understand. Peaceable, peaceful assembly. And the idea there would be. These people would be outside of the facility holding signs, chanting, not confronting and fighting with cops to where the cops need to be armed. The moment they step up and start physically obstructing, it's a riot. Arrest them.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. Impeding federal law enforcement is absolutely a crime. And I think the administration is trying to be pretty, you know, even handed with this. But, you know, I think there were some politicians up in, like, what was it, Boston who were arrested, so they are making some arrest. I want to point out that Kat here is running for Congress, so she thinks it's a good idea to be seen impeding federal law Enforcement. And that really just shows where the left is at this point. You know, they haven't, they haven't mellowed out, not at all. The mayor of, what was it? Evanston, I forget the guy's name, but he was seen on camera wearing a mask, blocking an ICE vehicle with the crowd. So the Democrats, it's not that they just believe in this. They think that this is good. They think that this is what their base wants. And if you're running for Congress in, what is it? Illinois.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Then that probably is, is what the Democrats want there.

[E]

I mean, this kind of behavior does get clicks and it gets young people on Instagram excited and it gets young people to possibly even donate, but it doesn't get young people to the polls. Yeah, young people don't effing vote. And I mean, personally, I think that I, I don't want to say that I wish that it weren't true, but I think that it's a reality that people should acknowledge. Like no matter how many people are on your Instagram live, no matter how many people are watching your reels, no matter how many people click on your, your video of you getting manhandled by the police and tell you you're the best and how brave you are and give you all kinds of affirmations that doesn't translate into getting kids to the polls.

[A]

I have a, I have a, I have a question for where this, with this cat. You know, if you go online and start espousing political beliefs that are favorable to a foreign nation, like let's say you make a channel that's just all about Japanese politics and you're sitting there and you're screaming and you're yelling in, you know, konnichiwa or whatever, and Japanese people are watching your show and you're making millions of dollars. Then in America with the millions of dollars you make, you announce you're running for Congress and you use all that money to win your congressional race and then start basically lobbying on behalf of Japan. And do we have an answer for when this happens? Cuz I feel like this is what we're seeing right now, actually. There are people who go on social media, they build a big following, but the following is going to be a lot of foreign individuals who have interests in the certain ideas they may be pushing. Then they're going to start running for office and they're going to have a monetary base. Not when they're running for office. Cuz at that point you cut it off. But you know, I think the story was that What Hillary Clinton gave us before she announced she was running for office, she gave a speech to Goldman Sachs for like $250,000. And everyone's like, we get it. Okay? That's a campaign contribution. So long as it's a speaker fee, nobody, like, you can't legally do anything about it. What are we gonna do when people build big followings of foreign, you know, individuals? I'm not saying it's illicit. I'm saying somebody literally is like, I'm very much interested in the politics of the Middle East. They build up a big following of Middle Eastern individuals. They have a million, 2 million followers. They start posting sponsorships and ads. They start making money off that. They make themselves millionaires. And then they say, I'm gonna finance my own campaign with my money and win. But their interest is lobbying for a foreign country.

[C]

Yeah, it's a problem because I think most people would agree that that's like, definitely an ethically questionable at the very least. But you're right that if done in that way, in that order, it wouldn't necessarily violate any campaign finance laws.

[A]

But our country's cooked. Yeah.

[C]

And the Internet grows more Third World every day. And, you know, we're seeing this was play out with a lot of different narratives and, you know, sort of movements and. And you're right, I hadn't actually considered that angle. But yeah, I would imagine we're going to feel the political, direct political ramifications of that more and more in the coming decades.

[A]

I bring this up because Kat Abu Ghazala, I believe she is Palestinian.

[C]

I believe so.

[A]

Yeah. I think her dad is Palestinian. So she has a foreign interest. And fair point. I know everyone's gonna bring it up. Israel 100%. I'm not. I'm not counting that out. There are people who have duals, citizenships, or other loyalties, and they will build up a base from people in foreign countries that will finance or fund them. Then later on when they run for office, and to be fair, we can even exclude the run for office part. We are going to have prominent individuals lobbying on behalf of foreign countries in this country because their audience is going to be composed of people from foreign countries. I think it's already happening.

[C]

It's already happening 100%.

[A]

And the H1B thing, I think especially. And that's why many of us have been saying, you know, Elon needs to create a way to region lock so that we do not see views, comments, retweets, or posts from countries we don't want to. So like, let's see someone, let's say someone posts a tweet where they're like, you know, what's a, you know, what's a good country that's obscure and no one cares about. I don't know, I'm not gonna, no matter what I say, someone's going to have some problem with it. So they, they, they say some slogan for some country and they get a million views on it. Some, some kid, 15 year old, logs in and sees a million views on this post and thinks it's American views. Right. And they don't realize it's a bunch of like Eritreans cheering Woo.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And so they start replicating that content to pander to a foreign country in the United States. Yeah.

[D]

I mean, what you're seeing like, yeah, the very small scale version, like with Elon Omar, where she basically has like an ethnic enclave behind her ensuring election after election. And you see the way she's behaved just with that. I mean, she's still accountable to a large degree to the rest of the country. She is in the House of Representatives, but ultimately she's accountable to her district and she rewards them. She advocates and lobbies for Somali interests and Congress.

[A]

Exactly. And she opened and she says it.

[D]

Oh, she's like literally will say it in Somali. And you're sitting here like, like something's not adding up here.

[A]

Yeah. She's basically a representative from Somalia.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

To the United States.

[E]

Yeah. Which, I mean, that kind of stuff. I, I don't know what the solution is, how to prevent that, but that's something that should not happen. Like we should not have a person in Congress that's essentially representing another country, whether it doesn't matter if it's Somalia or any other country. Like, they should not be representing a foreign nation.

[D]

Well, and it's like the thing with Elon, it's like, okay, there's this, this push now to get her denaturalized and deported, etc. Etc. It's like, yeah, I mean, that'd be, that'd be great. That would be a solution. But the problem is you have more and more people like her who actually are like, were born here and everything passes, everything. You know, she was above the board. She wasn't. But I'm saying is like, okay, you get her out, you're going to the same problem because there's going to like another Somali and this guy might have been born there.

[A]

So I, you know what? I think that's a reality. I think let's, let's start here Someone's going to lobby on behalf of foreign interests. It's gonna happen. And obviously, Israel is a really great example. Like, our members of Congress go over there all the time.

[E]

There's too much dual citizens. There are a bunch of dual citizen people that are citizens of Israel and citizens of the US and they're in.

[A]

Congress, you know, and that shouldn't be the case. And so that. Yes. Ilhan Omar. Let's start here. She's not from here. She immigrated here. Emigrated here. And. Okay, that's fine. Did she commit fraud? Right. Okay. And if the answer is yes, then we denaturalize and deport. I don't care if she won an election or otherwise. And that's true for anybody, for any country.

[C]

Sure.

[D]

I'm just saying, like, it. Even if we get that done, it's like, that's great. And I agree. That should be done. It's like, you're going to kick the can. Like, we have to address, why are there so many Somalis in Minneapolis? Because all they're going to do is just elect another Elon Omar and this time they'll, like, make sure she didn't marry her brother this time. So it's like, at a certain point, same thing with Zoron. Like, same thing with Rashida Talib. You have to ask, why are there so many people in these districts or in these cities that are voting purely on ethnic interests?

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

So.

[C]

Well, we brought in, you know, many millions of people from all around the world that.

[A]

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[E]

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[A]

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[E]

Beautiful.

[A]

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[C]

Believe it or not, don't buy into kind of Anglo liberal individualism. And it's just an incredibly. You know, tribalism is the norm outside of. Outside of the west and, you know, even just more specifically the Anglosphere. So when you bring people over in small amounts, they generally will assimilate. When you bring people over in large amounts, they're less likely to assimilate. And when you consider what immigrants are assimilating to now, it could be, you know, black lives matter and liberalism just generally.

[A]

I'm getting. One second. I have a correction. I'm getting a text here. They're asking me to say it is completely okay that we have members of Congress that travel to Israel, pledge support for Israel. Thank you and have a nice day.

[D]

Man, that's weird. A lot. Didn't text me.

[A]

I'm kidding. I. Yeah, I. I don't care what country it is.

[C]

A bunch of people in Pakistan watching the stream just got very mad. They're calling you Jewish on Twitter.

[A]

They do. Yeah.

[C]

I get it, too. I get it, too. Yeah. Even on tweets that have nothing to do with Israel, I'm just like, I want less immigration and someone's like, Jew. And I look at their. I look at their, like, location, like Bangladesh or something, and it's like, really?

[A]

All right.

[C]

Yeah, I guess that's. That's what I wishes, I think.

[A]

You know, it's really funny, too, because Netanyahu issued a statement about how he did not kill Charlie Kirk. And this is like the weirdest timeline we're in.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And he said that. I think he accused Qatar. Is that what you accused? He said foreign nations are funding all this stuff.

[C]

Like the influence narratives, not the actual assassination.

[A]

No, no. Yeah, the narratives. Like, I think.

[C]

I'm sure. I'm sure he did. And I'm sure, you know, Kotter has some level of online influence, not just one died. Yeah, that's. That's definitely the most realistic take on it.

[A]

Yeah. It's absolutely wild how Nick Fuentes came out as the voice of reason, saying, like, guys, come on. Like, Israel didn't kill him.

[E]

I never thought it wasn't Israel would be a sentence that I heard come out of Nick Fuentes his mouth. But, I mean, look, does actually. I mean, there are people that are already saying, Nick got the call. That's B.S. but, like, it does actually add to his. His credit like gives him a little, a modicum of credibility because you're like, all right, well he then, this makes me believe that even if I disagree with him about his takes about Israel, he's honest about them. He really does believe these things because he's saying this particular case I don't think is Israel. So like, if you, if he were just a grifter that was grifting off of anti Israel sentiment because there's a lot of people globally that are really anti Israel and you can make a lot of money and get a lot of followers by being anti Israel. And if he was actually just a grifter and didn't actually at least believe the things that he said, why wouldn't he say, well, of course Israel was going after Charlie Kirk. Well, of course, you know, it would probably satisfy a large portion. So his less attached to reality followers, you know.

[A]

So you guys know how I met with Netanyahu earlier this year? A few months ago?

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

And it was Chatham House rules, meaning we're not supposed to reveal anybody who was there. Nick Fuentes was there. That was a joke. Anyway, moving on. You know, unfortunately now there's gonna be a bunch of people are like, that proves it and they're gonna start tweeting at him and they're gonna say he got the call and Tim Pool claimed he was there. And I'm like, I'm literally joking. Nick was not there.

[D]

Yeah, Tim Poole outflanks everyone on the Israel issue.

[A]

I, I just, I, I really do think that, you know, a lot of people will frame all of it as like influence, operations, manipulation. I think it's just real people. There are real people that live in other countries that watch content. There's like, I watch content from a bunch of foreign people. They skateboard, you know, there's a lot of Japanese content and skateboarding. So I'm watching a bunch of stuff on Instagram from Japanese people about Japan and I'm like, look at that, you know, whatever. And people in Japan have interest in the things we do here. So for politics, especially considering the United States is basically the top of the mountain, they're going to be watching all this political commentary. And English is the business language of the world. So a lot of these people speak to a certain degree English or will use translators. And now with like X, it's auto translating. So you're going to get people from all over the world commenting twinkling. We got, we gotta, we gotta, we gotta be able to block that. I, I, I, I want to be able to Go on X and be like, I only wanna see America. You know, to be typically honest, I'd say Canada, the us, Mexico, and maybe Europe.

[E]

I mean, honestly, not that I know anything about the back end at X, but I mean, it seems like it wouldn't be particularly difficult to just say these are the, you know, select the countries. Here's a list of countries that I care about. I want to see tweets from this.

[D]

These regions because there's never been like a. I'm seeing like a really intellectual discourse going on. I'm like, you know what, what does someone from Pakistan think about this? It's never occurred to me once in my life.

[A]

You know, to be fair, I'm very concerned about what Malaysians think. But it's okay because I follow Ian Miles Chong.

[D]

He's on the case.

[A]

It just so happens that he reflects my opinion back at me quite often.

[E]

And fair enough, you know, in my. Chong. Ian Miles Chong is very familiar with what America thinks and stuff, but I imagine he has no idea what I got to imagine.

[A]

He lives like a king in Malaysia, probably.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Because he's producing content for Americans. It's very smart. Yeah. You know what, I got to be honest. There's something that's like a net negative. It's a, it's a neutral thing. We don't want foreign individuals to realize they can produce content to pander to us and get advertiser dollars off of it. But he's saying the right things, you know what I mean? So I'm like, it's sometimes. What's the GDP of Malaysia?

[D]

Well, also like 45. No one's got to be more crushed than him at the America party. Thing's not happening.

[C]

I was gonna say. Yeah, you, yeah. You know, Miles Strong is like generally on the right, but yeah, he sided with Elon's crash out that Elon himself has like walked back. Distance himself from. To his credit. Yeah, credit where credit's due.

[A]

$13,000 is there. GDP per capita.

[D]

Oh, he's raking it in.

[A]

Yeah, bro. I mean, what is the, what is it, like 70,000 in states or something like that? Give or take 68, I think. Let me, let me, let me, let me check. United States. United States gdp. Cuz if you're making good influencer money with hundreds of thousands of followers, it is 89,000. That's inflation for you. Jeez, bro, if you had, if you had $100,000 per year and you're living in Malaysia, you're 10 times.

[C]

You've got a compound you got a driver, you got who knows what else, man.

[A]

Yeah, maybe we should relocate IRL to the lower to, you know, to Malaysia, Singapore, South Africa. Singapore. Be a lot.

[D]

Yeah, South Africa. That'd be wild.

[A]

Yeah, maybe, maybe we'll get a farm, you know.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Sing some songs, you know, we'll do well, we'll basically live in a triple Faraday cage just for our own security.

[D]

Yeah. I always thought that, like, if Elon really wanted to, he could return to South Africa and just spend like a quarter of his net worth and just rule the country for like in perpetuity. Just saying. I like having him here to fight for us, but like, he could do that whenever he wants.

[A]

The problem is it's too far away from the equator for launching into space.

[D]

Yeah, that's true. Yeah. He would have to like, like hire some PMC to take some, some land or something. I don't know. But I don't know if you're listening. I mean, it's a, you could literally just become king, like really whenever you want.

[A]

Yeah, you just. Let's jump to this next story from npr. We are all Jimmy Kimmel. What late night hosts are saying about Kimmel suspension. Well, I'll give you the gist. Stephen Colbert basically doubled down. He showed on his show the clip of Jimmy Kimmel saying the shooter was effectively maga. And then he goes, is that it? What's wrong with that? Like, he's just being Jimmy Kimmel. That's totally fine. And I think what Colbert is doing, I think he's trying to get fired. His show is already canceled. He's already super rich. He doesn't need to do this anymore. His ratings are in the gutter. Could you imagine Jimmy, you know, Jimmy Kimmel's only getting 129,000. The key demo, dude, I, I, I got, I gotta be completely honest. If you are like a college age dude, you're Gen Z and you finally reach that point where your podcast, every day you're doing an hour long podcast, you're cracking 129,000. You're going like, this is amazing because if you're getting 129k on a podcast in the key demo, you are making money on that podcast. Let me, let me, I mean, you're probably making like half a million a year with proper sponsorships and all that stuff. You don't always sell. Sometimes you do. So you're, you're, you're Gen Z. You're like, this is fantastic. But when you're someone like Jimmy Kimmel and You're worth tens of millions, and you're watching your ratings just plummet. I'm sure he's got to be having an existential crisis. Colbert, I should say more. More to this. To this point. Colbert used to get millions, and now the ratings are just in the gutter. And while he's still getting, like a million, half to 2 million in the retiree demographic, I'm not trying to disrespect retirees. Key demo is gone. At a certain point, don't you just take a look at the numbers and go, well, it was good while it lasted. You know, there were bands that put out two albums, and they're on the top, and then you never hear from them again. So Colbert, I think, is basically like, they canceled the contract, but I'm stuck here. I'm stuck here until the next eight months. I know he can't violate the morality clause in his contract overtly because then they'll just come after him for money. But if he pokes a bear quite a bit, then they might just be like, all right, Colbert, you're off the air. And he go, oh, thank God.

[E]

Yeah. I mean, look, the whole. I'm gonna double down, and I've got. He had the story that he's had a more inflammatory monologue to give the second day that after he initially kind of, you know, offended people. That kind of makes me think that you might have a point. Because, look, it was clear that, like, the first things that he said, while they were distasteful, they weren't. They weren't really like, going after either the voters or Charlie Kirk himself. It was definitely poking at Trump, which is, you know, standard fare for Jimmy Kimmel. But if he was going to do a monologue going after, you know, the MAGA voters, you know, essentially, which is basically most of the Republicans nowadays, you know, the vast majority, at least that. I mean, I'd understand. I understand why they would be like, yo, we don't want this. You know, so maybe. Maybe he did have a. I think I'm going to say it. And if it. If I. If it ends up killing, you know, killing my. My employment here, that's fine.

[A]

Colbert's legacy right now is he fizzled out and fell apart. If he gets fired overtly and his show is taken off the air abruptly, then he's gonna start doing the rounds and go to the liberal circuit and be like, look at Trump. He's a fascist. This proves it.

[D]

Yeah, well, I think he's, like, envious that Kimmel in and of Himself has become, like, a wedge issue now. And he's like, that should have been me.

[C]

That's true.

[D]

I got pulled first.

[A]

Exactly. Colbert's show is. They announced they were terminating the contract, but they're keeping him on the air, so it's not that big a deal. And then Kimmel gets yanked the last minute, and Colbert's like. I have to imagine. How old is Colbert? Like, 70.

[D]

He might be. You know, it's a lot of hair dye going on.

[A]

How old is he? Let's. Let's. Let's find out. He's 61. Okay. All right. I wasn't that far off, but I'm.

[C]

Not as old as most of the people watching at this point.

[A]

They're older. No, but for real, they're 70. It's about 70 plus. I have to imagine, when you're 61, not everybody, but a lot of people, and you're worth tens of millions. I mean, what's Colbert's net worth? Let's find out. Colbert, net worth. These things are always wrong. What's the ballpark on his net worth? 75 million, bro. Don't you just want to put your feet up and sip a pina colada and, you know, just chill? What's he doing? His. It's like. Like his ratings are so down in the gutter, he's got to just be like, well, you know, been there, done that, won his Emmys, had a massive show to the millions, and now he's fizzling out, audience dwindling. He's worth an estimated 75 million. He can just ride off into the sunset, you know, enjoy life.

[E]

Or does he have big, you know, big notes on his house? Is he living above his means?

[A]

I don't know, man. They say he's worth 75 million. It says that his salary for the. For the Late show with Colbert in 2015 was $6 million. And then in 2019, they signed a deal that raised his pay to 15 million, extended to May 2026.

[E]

Yeah, I mean, look, if you want to live like a normal person, you have $10 million in the bank. That's plenty of money to live completely normal. If, you know, if you're not living above your means, if you want to just, like, live like a normal person, that's enough to live, like your life.

[D]

So he's.

[C]

I think he was kind of hoping that they would take his show off for something, so he just did it.

[A]

This is just last night. I think he wants a mega backlash. He wants people to go like, you're just rebroadcasting what Kimmel said. And you're lying, you're lying to your audience so that he can get taken down and he gets paid. I mean, let me just stress. $15 million a year. One could just imagine that's more than $1 million per month. You are getting paid. He's getting like 1.3 million per month. That's what he's getting paid. What? I don't even know what you do with that much money. I don't think, I don't think a regular human could spend that on normal things.

[D]

Well, the show's in New York, so. Rent.

[A]

Haha.

[D]

Yeah. No, but I don't know, like, what do you do in this situation? Because he's not, he's outside of la.

[A]

I don't know what any human does with that amount of money. I, I really don't. Yeah, like private jets. If when you're getting 1.3 million per month, you're literally, you could, you could fly. Well, to be fair, you're not. If you're a billionaire, you're flying it like Taylor Swift is flying wherever she wants on a large jet at 1.3 million per month. You're maybe flying on the weekends, anywhere you want to go. And it's not putting a dent in your money. So I mean, if you were going to fly like round trip to Europe, it's probably 100 grand. And so for Colbert, he's like, you want to do a weekend in Prague? What do we care? 1/13 of my monthly salary.

[E]

And again, like, when you have that kind of money, you've got millions invested. And the money itself that you've invested grows likely faster than you can spend it, unless you're, you know, unless you're going and doing like high stakes games in Vegas, dividends alone.

[A]

This is what's crazy. So I don't have a lot invested in the stock market. I actually don't have even like a standard retirement account. But I have stocks and the dividends that many of these, some of these stocks pay, you just keep buying more like they buy themselves. It's crazy. I can't imagine somebody who's making 1.3 million, $15 million a year. I mean, they say his net worth is 75 million. If that's properly invested in the market, it's infinite money, I think, I think based. So John McCain famously said in the 2008 cycle, when he was asked, how much money do you need to be wealthy? He said, $7 million. And then people got all shocked and offended because like Are you kidding? If I had a million bucks. And what he was saying was, if you have $7 million in 2008 and you put that into proper wealth management, you are getting paid. Your annual, your annual return minus inflation will cover your standard middle class cost of living. You are truly wealthy. You don't have to work anymore. Today, based on the market expansion, you probably need something like. Well, to be fair. No, I mean, even with cost of living going up, you could still feasibly at 10 million, never have to work again and be rich. And I'm not talking about middle class. I'm saying rich, you've got to work again, again.

[E]

You're not going to be flying, you know, flying private jets all the time, you know, if you, if you don't want to work. But at $10 million in the bank, you don't have to worry about anything. That's your fu. Money, you know.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Regardless, Colbert at this point is looking for a legacy, not a paycheck.

[C]

Yeah, I think Colbert probably cares more about status, attention, fame. You know, he's obviously, as you've established, not wanting for money. But I think a lot of liberals are very, I mean, conservatives are to some extent, but liberals are very driven by virtue, signaling by status. And yeah, I mean, these are, these are not religious people. They get, they get that kind of feeling by doing other things. But I do, I do like your theory that he's, he just kind of maybe wants the show to be over because it's not doing well. And if it was canceled, he could be like, they canceled my super popular show. And you know, I'm, I'm kind of my own sort of martyr for, for my beliefs and just like not go back to doing a show because no one's gonna watch it.

[A]

Yeah, because to be fair, I just looked up in July, he got 3 million. Not, it's not key demo, key demo. I think he's getting 200 and something thousand, but 3 million, that's a lot of, you know, older folks.

[C]

But once the boomers die off, there's not going to be an audience for like general procession, generational procession is going to get rid of some of these like, forms the whole like a late night talk show done.

[A]

The apocalypse that is coming for us. Because the boomers have just reached what's called the mortality shelf. Okay, so Trump is, I think Trump's 79 now. Right. We've had this conversation so many times. He's, he's, he's the oldest of the boomers. He was born, I think at the. The earliest point at which you could be a boomer. And he is at life expectancy at 79. Okay, so what happens now is we are going to start seeing an exponential death rate. Like the death rate for boomers is skyrocketing now because they are getting close to that age. Now, I know people are living longer these days, but with the current way things are going, politically, we. The expectation is that the mortality shelf should be the same for boomers as it has been for every generation. So right now, there's about 60 million boomers, I think, and within the next 10 years, it'll drop down to 20 million. So that means all of these institutions will cease to exist in the next 10 years. Where we go, I honestly don't know. There's a lot of variables in politics and economics. But the one thing we can talk about is the housing market, which is predominantly controlled by the boomers. They own, I think, something like 60, 70% of. Of. Of. Of real estate. They own something like 40% of corporate equities. Gen Gen X has like, 20%, millennials have, like, five, and Gen Z has zero. So when boomers die, what happens to all that property?

[D]

Yeah, I mean, well, you get Trump, and then, you know, Hypothetically, Vance, for eight years. That's effectively no immigration for 12 years straight. And then compounded with the entire boomer housing market being freed up, I mean, it could get pretty. Like, maybe Zoomers could own a house. At the end of the day, I don't know. I mean, with. With those two factors that seems to suggest they're the.

[A]

The. I mark, I think the housing market's going to collapse massively unless the government steps in with BlackRock and the federal Reserve and props up the property value, which is what they might try and do, which will cause international problems, because foreign countries are going to be like, this is fake. So basically, the idea is boomers have multiple homes. Gen Z has none. Millennials, Half of millennials have homes. 75% of Gen X have homes. The idea is that when boomers die, millennials are the ones who largely inherit those properties. But without boomers, who can buy properties, Millennials can't afford it. So a millennial who moved from St. Louis to New York to go to the big city, inherits a house in St. Louis and says, I don't want to live in St. Louis. They go to. They inherit the home, and, you know, their parents die, and it's very sad. And they go to their lawyer and say, I just want to find someone to sell it. They get an agent. The agent lists the house. It's a $500,000 house. No one wants to buy it. Why? Millennials can't afford it. So then they say, well, just look, I'm not going to come and deal with this. There's taxes, there's bills. Just drop the price. 400,000, nobody buys it. 300,000, nobody buys it. 250. Some millennial says, okay, I can do 250. I can afford a loan on 250. So pro. The housing market just collapses by some massive number overnight. And that's going to cause a shockwave around the world because of what that's going to affect. There's an alternative. Fearing an economic crisis because of the collapse of price of housing prices, the government says, let's have those homes be bought up. Excuse me, by BlackRock or other companies that are funded by the federal. That basically get free money from the Federal Reserve. So the millennial inherits the house and says, it's a $500 house. $500,000 house. List it. Nobody wants to buy it. The government says, we can't let them drop the prices. So black. BlackRock comes in and says, we'll buy it at 500. And the money came from the Federal Reserve, printed out of thin air. And then that Millennial has that money, and then they translate it into some other market. And that's how they prop up the housing market and prevent the global crisis, which is what some people think is happening right now, actually.

[D]

Well, I mean, presumably, like, if a Democrat won in 28, you would just get the Canada situation because, like, Canada's like five, six years older than us on average. They have a very old population, so they're kind of ahead of us in the death curve.

[A]

Well, that's why they're importing the rest of the world.

[D]

Right. So, I mean, like, if a Democrat were to win in 28, that changes the calculus. They'll just flood the country with migrants again, and that'll keep the housing market afloat. But yeah, Vance wins. I mean, that could totally happen.

[A]

It won't keep the housing market afloat because Honduran farmers can't afford $500,000 houses. No. Yeah, indeed. So that's why printing fake money. You'll see massive inflation. You'll see really weird things happening. I gotta tell you, haven't you guys noticed how weird everything is already with people who shouldn't be making lots of money, making lots of money, Lots of gambling.

[D]

Yeah, the gambling's really.

[A]

The gambling is very strange. How are There casinos everywhere. How is that. How is it there are people who have such disposable income at a time like half the country has zero, has almost no money, and it's like, I can't buy eggs, and the other half is like, let's go burn money at a casino.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Do you think there's a generational sort of dynamic there? It's like the stereotype, which, you know, might be somewhat justified, of boomers gambling away, spending away their, you know, children, grandchildren's inheritance. Just as one. I haven't been to Vegas or Social Security. Right, yeah, sure, sure. I. I haven't been to Vegas, haven't been to many casinos and. But I did go to the one in Charleston. You know, you've got the Charlestown, Charles Town. Charlestown, yes.

[A]

There are two cities, I'm aware. Yeah.

[C]

The one. The one, you know, close, and they.

[A]

Both have a casino.

[C]

Do they really? Yeah.

[A]

Mardi Gras, Hollywood.

[C]

Yeah. So I went to the one in Charlestown, and yeah, it was entirely. Maybe it was just because of the part of the country that it's in, but everyone was like, 60, 70. So.

[A]

Let me. Let me think. I think you're probably right. I actually think it's probably a lot of people in their 50s, a lot.

[C]

Of Gen X. Gen X, too.

[A]

Yeah. And the interesting thing is poker is really interesting because there's a. There's a term in poker called old man coffee. And it's just like an old guy who just sits there and never plays a hand. And then when he finally does, you know, he's got aces.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

But there's a reason for this, and it's because. And it's kind of sad. The reason why in these poker rooms, there's really old people who just sit there and never play a hand until. Only when they get the best one, which is fairly rare social thing, or they. They don't want to be lonely.

[C]

Sure.

[A]

And so these are old people who. Maybe they're widowers or widows. And it's rare that you see older ladies in the poker room, but they just want to hang out. They want to be around people and they want to talk. And. Yeah, people are talking and they're gambling Social Security checks.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

So it's like they come in when the check comes in for the week or whatever, they cash it, go sit in the poker room. And then the sad thing is, when you like, these young guys, rounders, they call them, no one really says that anymore, but people try to make money off poker. No. Anytime one of these Guys tries to enter a hand, you jam all your chips in, they'll fold because they're not there to win money. They're there to hang out and they don't want to risk their money.

[C]

Sure.

[A]

So only when they have the best possible hand. And then everyone kind of feels bad when the old man, like sits down, loses everything right away and goes, well, I guess that's it for this week. I'll see you next time. And it's like he was there for 10 minutes.

[C]

Pretty bleak. Yeah.

[A]

Everyone's like, oh, man, he just wanted to hang out, you know?

[C]

Better than being alone, I guess.

[D]

Yeah, well, I, I think even younger people are getting one shot with gambling now because the sports betting is.

[C]

Yeah, that's a good point. I was thinking of kind of the traditional. Like you go, you sit down, you do slots, you do poker, whatever. But yeah, sports gambling is, it's huge.

[A]

Come on, dude. Come on, bro. You're gen Z, right? $20 in the right parlay and you're a millionaire.

[D]

Like a 30 leg parlor. All right, I have sneeze in quarter and this hits. Guys, just trust me.

[C]

I actually have a friend who's a millionaire from playing on one of those big sites, but he sits in front of spreadsheets for like 12 hours a day.

[A]

So I bet he's doing arbitrage, though. Are you familiar with sports betting arbitrage?

[C]

No, he. No.

[A]

So, so the basic idea is I'm going to butcher this, but. Because I don't know too much about it. But if sports betting website A has like a, the odds are, you know, plus one or it's like minus 100 plus 100 or whatever. And then the other site, it's slightly inverted. If the numbers are right between two different sites, you are guaranteed to win. So if you, if you're like, if I put a dollar here and a dollar here and my, my input is $2, but based on the odds, I'll win either $3 or $2, I can't lose. And then if. Yeah, so. So people sit in front of sports betting websites and waiting to find these, and then they make bets. And the thing is, these are different companies, so they don't know what you're doing on other websites and what you're. What your bets are and you just get free money.

[D]

Yeah, it's like totally ruining sports though, because it's like all the athletes know, like they all know. They're all like winking at each other and everything. I mean, you can see some compilation, won't say the specific players. But you can see compilations of players that, like, definitely knew they needed to, like, score additional basket. And they would just put up a shot at the end of the game for no reason.

[A]

Because they didn't just happen like some. Some college guys were betting on themselves.

[D]

It was. It was an. There was two NBA players that got like, like busted by the feds, I think, over, like, it was a big deal.

[C]

It seems like such a dumb thing to do. Like, how do you not know you're gonna get caught doing.

[D]

I know.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And they make it so obvious. It's like they're up by 30 at the end of the game and he just throws like a half court shot. Yeah. So. And it's. And it's also like ruining the viewership experience because you're throwing numbers. It's like I'm doing calculus when I'm trying to just watch, like bowling or.

[C]

Glued to your phone when you should be watching. I say that as a non sports fan. Yeah. I could. I could see that maybe we need.

[A]

Some kind of authoritarian, fascistic regime to come in and tell everyone to stop gambling. I'm joking, by the way. But like, I'm thinking about these casinos where people with excess cash have nothing to do with it. So they just sit there going, like, at the slot machine. Yeah.

[C]

It's bleak when you watch other people play slots, like, by themselves. Like poker.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You know, you could. You could have a good time playing.

[E]

Poker game when all you're doing is just sitting there doing.

[C]

And it's like a dope. It's a dope dopamine thing too, because a lot of this stuff's digital, so it's kind of like being glued to your iPhone, but instead you're just like, losing money. And I'll tell you what, Buttons. Yeah.

[A]

People want to see miracles. That, that is. That is the casino. That's it. And when you, you know. So I'm. I'm a. I'm a big poker player. Not gonna pretend to be super good or anything. Especially because I'm doing this poker game coming up and I'm gonna pretend like I'm really bad because I don't want to get embarrassed. I probably am really bad. I'll just leave it at that. No, I'm probably okay, I guess. But the videos that go viral in poker are when someone should win but loses. And I was sitting there watching, like every video you see. It's like some guy's a really good hand, the other guy's a bad hand, and then they both Like, I'm all in. And they shove their money in. And then at the very last card, the river. The guy with the crappy hand turns around and wins. And everyone's screaming and cheering, and I'm like, I hate that. Every player hates that. Yeah. You know, when you. When. When you get in and you're behind, you're just hoping the miracle happens and dumb luck saves you, but it's like you're in trouble. But people love watching the. The. The rarities occur. And I think the reason they like slot machines, they don't make money doing it. You can't.

[C]

Sure.

[A]

It's because they're. They want to see that rare moment to happen. There's a guy in. In. In Las Vegas who literally just does that with a line of people that are out the door, and they all come and give him money to gamble, and he just keeps running this slot and With a video on his phone for when the one person makes that content so he can post the content. The person in the video. It's crazy. I've ever seen. Yeah, I don't. I don't remember his name, but it's a real thing.

[C]

Because they want. They want to be like, hey, I delivered that miracle, made that literally exactly what it is.

[A]

That's crazy. It's like the chance of hitting the Unicao and Planet Moolah is like one in one million. And people want to see the Unicao. That's a real thing. I'm not making that up.

[C]

I said, sure. I have no idea what that is a reference to.

[A]

There's a. There's a. There's a game in casinos called Planet Moolah, okay. Where the aliens are cows. Okay. And when you hit the button, the symbols all fall down, and there's an extremely rare chance. I know the actual number. It's not 1 million. That a uni cow appears. It's a cow with a unicorn horn. And it, like the game goes nuts and you win a ton of money.

[C]

Sounds kind of sick. Yeah, I'd want to see that. I don't know if. I don't know if I'd pay, you know, pay like hundreds of dollars for.

[A]

Hours to see it go on YouTube. And you can watch the video of someone else doing.

[C]

I can see the unit.

[A]

And it's got a million views. And they. And what's crazy is you've got gambling influencers now who don't care if they lose gambling because they're going to get half a million views on the video.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

I'VE seen sponsorships.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Definitely wild. We. We are a dying civilization. I'm sorry. That's why I'm like, elon, save us because he's building rockets to go to Mars. And it's just like, is that the only thing that's actually being done towards advancement of human civilization?

[D]

It does feel like we're swirling the drain. When you go to, like any town and the only businesses that are new are like weed shops and like vape stores and everything. It just like. And everything. And there's sports gambling every.

[A]

Sorry.

[D]

Something Scrooge. But it's like, oh.

[C]

There's an aspect to decline that, like, you can't really quantify that. It's almost like an aesthetic phenomen it on. You just kind of see it and you're like, this just doesn't let me feel good.

[A]

Yeah, there are Dollar Generals there, bro. Come on. There's a brand new Dollar General.

[D]

I've been known to frequent a Dollar General here and there, so I won't get onto that.

[A]

I see dollar trees around there.

[D]

There's nothing wrong with the dollar, but it's like just the. Everything worse. And I just like, I went to.

[C]

One in El Salvador. They've been on the dollar since the early 2000s. So they got Dollar General down there.

[A]

That's cool.

[D]

Let's go.

[E]

The dollar stores are no longer dollar a dollar anymore.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[D]

When in there. There's like five bucks now. Like, what's the point?

[C]

Yeah, they're $50s, but more sign of civilizational.

[D]

I know it's over. It's actually over when that happens.

[A]

So I can't actually search on Google for these, but have you driven down the road and counted how many hotspots there are? You know what a hotspot is? So they're. They're bars with slot machines. And the windows are blacked out because you're not legally allowed to, like, you cannot be slot machines and alcohol can't be visible from the street. So all of these. There's. There's. There are buildings over here. It's. It's crazy, dude. They look like abandoned buildings with no windows. And then you'll just see a door with an open sign and you're like, there's no name. The business has no name. There's no real parking lot. And there'll be like two or three cars. And you'll watch a guy walk up and like press a button. It'll open, it'll go in. You'll be like, what is this? You'll go There it is, a dark room with a bar and a wall of slot machines and old people just tapping away. That's. There's probably within 10 minutes of here, 10 of them. Wow. You drive down the road out here and you will drive past like 15, and it's nuts. Some of them are houses.

[E]

I guess Slaying the dragon in World of Warcraft just doesn't have the same dopamine as.

[A]

I mean, if you're 60, you don't know how to do that.

[D]

That's one of those things where if you showed someone from the 1950s that they would be like, that's the dystopian future. Like, we're all sitting around like, trying to, like, hypothesize what that would look like. It would be that they'd be like, oh, yeah, that's it. That's horrifying.

[E]

The only difference is they're not in. Like, they're not in the pod.

[A]

Right.

[D]

Well, they're a storage container in West Virginia.

[C]

It doesn't even seem like.

[A]

Right.

[C]

It doesn't even seem like a fun form of degeneracy. It's like, you know, you think about people, you know, back in the 50s or any time period, just like getting rowdy in a bar or something. It's like, all right, like, you're with other people, you're having a good time, you're laughing, you're talking. But yeah, just sitting in front of a slot machine and drinking is. It's bleak. Yeah.

[A]

Imagine. Imagine like back in the day, the old degenerate bar where there's like a stripper, some guys in suits, loud music. There's like a jazz band playing, like a woman shaking her ass. And then the dudes are playing high stakes five card draw. And then one guy's like, you're cheating. He slams a gun on the table and everyone's losing their mind. Now you walk in and it's just slot machines. Here's the best part. Some of these places, there's a stage that used to be where the stripper would be. And it's just people sitting at slot machines.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And you're. And it's funny because some of these clubs, it'll say, like, the name of the company. I don't. I don't want to call any specific place out, but it'll be like John's. And then it'll say, it'll sound like this. And it'll be like Blank Club. Because, you know, they slapped a big white piece of plastic over the word gentleman. They ain't even going to strip clubs anymore. They're just slot machines. And what's crazy is I'm talking about West Virginia. I went home to Chicago for the holidays. They're everywhere. Wow. Every bar's got slot machines. I'm like, dude, And. And the argument they made is, you know what I'm going to tell you guys? You open the door, you let the demons in. The argument was, it's just video lottery. They. They basically argued that this isn't gambling in the. In the casino sense. We sell scratchers. This is the exact same thing, but it's digital. So now slot machines are just lottery locations.

[E]

You know, I think part. Part of the reason why people don't go to the strip clubs anymore, it's probably got something to do with the fact that 75 of America is overweight.

[D]

Well, like, what is. I've never.

[E]

Some correlation.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I think it's because Gen Z. There's two reasons. Guys. Well, Gen Z guys are going to church.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

They're not gonna go to strip club.

[E]

True.

[A]

And then Gen Z girls are fat, and nobody wants to see that.

[E]

Right, right. And feminism tells them that, hey, look, just, you know, go ahead and be your best self with, to be. To be fair, 40 slices of pizza a day.

[A]

Porn is free.

[D]

So, yeah.

[E]

Right.

[C]

People are just staying inside. I think most forms of socialization have declined.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

They're like, younger people are drinking less too. And yeah, maybe some faction of them have. Are, you know, being a little more traditional, but I think a lot of them are just, like, sitting at home and just like, on the computer.

[E]

I might go to. I go. If I go to the strip club, I might have to look the stripper in the eye.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

[D]

Yeah. I'm a bit of a traditional anxiety kind of guy. I go to strip clubs, I drink, I do drugs. It's like, these are all very old school.

[C]

I wouldn't advocate for any of that. But that is clearly better than some of, like, the new forms of degeneracy where you just like. I mean, if you want to talk about the shooter and like, the, you.

[E]

Know, video games, religious friends. I would rather hang out with dudes that go to strip clubs than dudes that think they're chicks.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

So true.

[C]

I think every. I think most religious people would. Would say neither is ideal, but they.

[E]

Would agree with, like, look, all right, let's kind of have a point.

[A]

Let's bring it back to the political world. We got this from the post Millennial AOC considers 2028 presidential run, please.

[E]

I mean, look, I know there are a lot of people that give me hell about this, but she is a compelling politician. I would never vote for her. I don't support any of her ideas.

[A]

She can't wait.

[E]

I mean, maybe she won't, but I don't know that she wouldn't get a lot of support.

[A]

Let me, let me clarify. She can win, but that's like also saying I can win the lottery. And I'm going to, I'm going to tell you why. She is a woman.

[E]

No, I'm going to push back on that. It all depends on the economy. And I truly believe this. If the economy is in the tank when the next presidential election comes, the Republicans are in a world of hurt.

[A]

I don't think so.

[E]

I do.

[A]

I think we are in a totally different world. I think especially with the assassination of Charlie Kirk. This is something changed in that moment where these liberals that are desperately trying to frame him, basically, it's crazy. I've had conversations with some people who I would consider to be not psychotic liberals, but still liberals. And I have to explain to them, Charlie never said black people don't have brain processing power. That's made up.

[E]

I want you to be right. I want to think that there has been a change, that there are going to be fewer and fewer Democrats because of the malicious string streak running.

[A]

That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying that we're at the point where they're shooting and killing people and the economy won't be as big as an issue as the IED that blew up in your marketplace.

[E]

As big as what?

[A]

The economy is not going to be the most pressing issue when an IED blows up in your marketplace.

[E]

Well, okay, so fair enough. Then that would be. That's. That's a significantly different context if there's actually in a.

[A]

In a normal functioning America with political dispute. The economy. It's the economy, stupid. Yes, but when we are in the. Who was it who said this? When I might have been Milo. When your nation tolerates assassinations, you're on the verge of collapse. Something. Something like that. Or a nation that tolerate. A nation that can tolerate political assassinations will not stand. And AOC just issued a letter. She sent out a letter to her supporters demonizing Charlie Kirk.

[E]

Oh, she did it from the floor of the Congress today was awful, disgusting.

[A]

And so when you're in a country where Charlie Kirk is. I'll put it like this. When Democrats are intentionally making up fake quotes that Charlie Kirk never said because they want him to be evil. They are saying, we don't care what you actually believe. We want you to die. So I will stress this. There is a video of Charlie Kirk that's going viral right now where he throws out a white identitarian from his event. He screams at him, get out of line. Get out. You are not welcome here. And they're claiming he was a white supremacist when he literally argued against these people and threw them out of his events. A nation that has a political faction that says, we don't care what you actually believe. We will tell you what we want to, to convey who, like, we will tell you what, what we say you believe. So where do you go? You could literally come out and be like, no, I agree with him. They're like, we don't care what you say. We're gonna lie about what you said. And now you're dead. Because that's what they're doing to Charlie. And so I feel like that there's, there's, I'll put it like this. When Charlie Kirk is the guy who actually says, you are not welcome in our movement to white supremacists and racists, and then they come out and say, actually, he was exactly what he condemned. Okay, if they want to kill you, they'll make up whatever reason they want.

[D]

Yeah, precisely. Yeah.

[A]

And what does that mean for an election? So I, I, I think certainly at the pace Trump is already at with 48 confirmations, his appointees getting confirmed in one swoop, which is crazy. I'm like, at this pace with the terminations, the people losing their jobs, Trump ramming this thing through, announcing the antifa terror stuff. I'm like, what, next week we're going to start getting arrests of Democrats? I mean, the pace is absolutely insane. I think that the temperature is extremely hot. We've already got these ice protests. They are now justifying everything they've said about why people should die by making up fake quotes about Charlie Kirk. They're claiming Trump is literally Hitler there. It is insane, the lies they're posting about Jimmy Kimmel. There's no off ramp. And so I fear in the next year, attacks are going to increase. The economy is not going to be the issue for most people. Now, I can only say this. I am not your average person. And so, you know, maybe, maybe the death threats get to me. I don't know, Maybe. But I have a security team and the assessment we've made going through what, what they're telling me, looking at the current available information is right now, the threat could not be higher. The risk of terror and political violence could not be higher. It is. The pot has boiled over. And so the advice to us is stop and wait. These public events, don't do it. These public events that I'm hosting and also being a part of, just don't do it. Don't go out. And we've gotta have like three people with us when we go out. That's from what we are seeing online. They're not just saying, we heard in the news this happened, so we're gonna advise us. They're saying, we've been reading social media, we've been looking at the chats of these groups. We've been doing security and intel analyses on Antifa, these far left groups, and they're like, yeah, someone's going to make an attack soon. And I'm sure Trump knows this, and I think there's a reason why he put up that tweet about Antifa or that Truth Social post. I don't think it was just arbitrary. One day it's like, I'm bored. I'm going to. I'm going to make a news cycle. I think they were like, we have to make a move now, especially after the Charlie Kirk thing.

[C]

Yeah, definitely. Well, I think we're seeing something play out now that's similar to what happened in kind of the late 60s and the early 70s where when, you know, liberals got some victories, they got the Civil Rights act and so forth, but the far left radicals wanted something far more extreme. They wanted like a communist revolution. And when then, when that didn't come, they started to, you know, eventually you got Nixon. They started to get very disheartened and, you know, very desperate, basically. So, you know, the Weatherman became the Weather Underground. A lot of these groups went underground and they committed, they turned to terrorism and, you know, you had thousands of bombings. It was, it was insane attacks on cops. And I think, I don't think one part of me.

[A]

And they won.

[C]

Yeah, in a sense, it kind of. Yeah. Some of these people ended up becoming college professors and, you know, and mentoring presidents. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So, you know, they didn't get the full communist revolution, but they played a part in accelerating it. Absolutely. And I think what we're seeing now is the resistance to Trump that existed after he won the first time. It's kind of, kind of evaporated. Right. A lot of people, even liberals, remark that, you know, the resistance.

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[C]

After 2024, wasn't, wasn't there. You didn't have like, you know, big companies and liberal groups, you know, really opposing it. So what do you have now? You have a lot of mentally ill people who have been told that, you know, anything other than like extreme gay race communism is, is, you know, fascism, which is not the, the case. And therefore like, basically they think they're actually living under fascism. So what you're going to have now is less of like mass organized resistance and more kind of lone wolf terrorism like we saw, you know, unfortunately, that claimed Charlie Kirk's life. And so I absolutely think, unfortunately there's going to be more stuff like that. It's not going to be the black block in the streets, riots, you know, fighting with Trump supporters. It's going to be, yeah, like lone wolf, small, potentially terror cells taking, taking people out.

[A]

And I think there's the potential for it to escalate. But I do think right now, based on the current set of factors before us, not counting for variables as we move forward in the future, we are looking at a high probability of a right wing authoritarian form of government for the next decade plus could theoretically be longer. And there's a lot of factors that predict this one. For those that think we're tracking alongside Rome, some people have thought like maybe we're entering the American Empire period, where you get an authoritarian state. There's a lot of similarities. But I think people cherry pick the Roman Empire and the Roman Republic to determine, you know, it's like a lot of these things happen hundreds of years apart from each other.

[C]

Sure.

[A]

And everyone's like, but look this happened then this like, look what's happening in America. Rome. And look what happened then Rome. And I'm like, yeah, those two things you're highlighting as things from Rome is Roman like 100 AD and Roman 500 is very far apart. But I think with the far left attack with Donald Trump. I mean, winning a popular vote, people largely being on his side. The messages that I'm seeing from normies based on Charlie Kirk, and there are, there are posts from people who are liberal a year ago that I follow, like people in various industries that I'm a fan of or follow, and they're like, cheering on Charlie Kirk. It is wild. It is. I'll tell you this. Pro skateboarders who've never uttered a political word posting online videos saying, Charlie Kirk was a great man. And I'm like, I did not know that guy was even a Christian. Yeah. But this really made them come forward. The left is going to feel very, very desperate. I think Trump is going to do a hard crackdown on these NGOs and they will react violently. Trump will then respond with security apparatus.

[E]

Yeah, but. Well, I mean, I do, I don't know that I agree that there's going to be a significant, a significant, like, authoritarian push. I do think that the left is going to behave as if it, as if there is one. And I think we're seeing it, you.

[A]

Know, now that that necessitates an expansion of the security state.

[E]

Do you think Trump has the, has the stomach to do that? Yep, but I'm not so sure.

[A]

He deployed the Marines into California.

[D]

Yeah, he has a mandate.

[E]

He deployed the Marines into California, but he deployed them only in support of the existing law enforcement. So I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I just don't know that. I don't know that that's, that that's what Trump wants to do. And I'm not saying that a future president wouldn't, or it wouldn't be necessary. I just don't know if that's, I don't know if Donald Trump's the guy.

[D]

Well, there's massive expansions of DHS and.

[C]

Ice, and it all comes down to what you consider right wing authoritarianism. I think Trump is definitely, you know, even now, more than before Charlie Kirk's murder, like, definitely convinced that he needs to do more in terms of law enforcement going after Antifa, just cracking down in general. So for some that that will qualify as authoritarianism. For others, it's just law and order.

[E]

I mean, look, I'm, I'm, I'm on the record saying that I think that Antifa should be considered a terrorist organization. Let's.

[A]

Good, let's clarify this. So I was asked earlier by some of the homies, what does that mean? And I'm like, if Trump does enact sweeping Security powers none of us would notice. You'll go to Chicago and there will be some National Guard on the street, various street corners. You'll have no hassle, no problems, no trouble. You will see less shootings. Crime will be way better. Your worst case scenario is you're walking down the street and they say, hey, how's it going there, sir? Show me your ID for a minute. You'd be like, oh, yeah, here you go. And they'll be like, all right, where you headed? And you'll be like, I'm going to Maxwell Street. Get a, get a Polish sausage bag. Have a good day, sir. That's the worst case scenario for the average person. There is going to be concerns and infringement possibility. The issue is, is the government corrupt or not? And the deployment of National Guard and military to stop acts of terror, far left violence or crime does not mean your rights will be infringed upon. As a normal working class person, I still think it is particularly worrying if we get to that point, and I have said I think Trump should deploy the National Guard over the crime. It is a very scary thing that we're at that point.

[D]

Well, I mean, yeah, the left only has themselves to blame for just permitting this open, I would say, oppression of their citizens in the cities. I mean, this has been 60 years now of complete inaction on crime. So now that administration has come in and the Americans who have been forced out into the suburbs are saying, hey, it'd be really nice if I could go downtown and have dinner without getting shot at. Trump has the mandate now to do this. And so they only really have themselves to blame for not acting.

[A]

I got, I got to be honest, there's going to be a lot of people who are going to clap and cheer for it. And for good reason. I mean, like, I've talked about where I grew up and I've asked my friends about it. Which would you prefer, the gang bangers running around shooting people and mugging people, or National Guard? And they just laugh and they're like, why would anyone care the National Guard was there? Like, literally no one would bat an eye. Yeah, they don't. They don't. We've seen National Guard out in various instances and you don't even talk to them. Yeah. Instead, do we have to deal with this? So there's going to be a lot of high crime areas. We're going to be like, thank you, Mr. President.

[D]

Sure. Well, that's, I mean, that's all my hometown in Memphis. I mean, like 80. Yeah, 80% of the city is off limits, especially if you're, like, a white guy. You're cooked. So it's like, oh, Trump's going in. Yes. And he's finally going in. And it's. And it's wonderful. And I'm sitting here, like, I don't think. I think even people that are. Know, people in jail aren't even going to be disturbed by this. Like, oh, I can go for a walk now and I won't get shot at. This is fantastic.

[A]

It's wild that we got to this point.

[C]

It's very similar to what happened in El Salvador. I mean, the steps that Bukele took to restore order to the streets of, you know, San Salvador and obviously the rest of the country were pretty. Pretty. I don't want to say severe, but, yeah, pretty harsh. And, yeah, people. People are. I was there for the first time kind of late August, and yeah, people were happy, though. Not. There are some people down there that have concerns about, you know, dictator. Some Uber drivers saying that. But the average person is like, even if they have concerns is like. Is undeniably better. Like, you could. Just couldn't walk down the street before.

[A]

I met a guy in D.C. who said he was moving back. He was from El Salvador. There's a lot of young man.

[C]

Yeah. And remigration.

[A]

Yeah. I was talking and. And I was. I forgot how it came up, but I asked him where he was from. He was like, el Salvador. And I was like, how is it down there? I've been hearing good things. And he goes, actually, I'm moving back. He's like, my family. My parents want to go back too. And then I was like, no way. He's like, oh, yeah, it's really nice now. In fact, people are getting rich. Rich because the property values are starting to skyrocket. Yeah. A lot of foreigners want to move there. Bitcoin beach. Good luck. So these beach properties that were a couple hundred grand, you know, in us.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Are. Are skyrocketing in value because it's safe. And you've got tech industry building up there. I mean, Bukele has revolutionized that country. It's amazing.

[C]

Yeah, it's a small country, too. So you're talking about property prices. There's only so much of it. And when I was down there, some. You mentioned the people moving back, the Salvadoran immigrants. Apparently there's. There's some sort of problems with that where, you know, they're coming back and they've got a lot of money and they're, you know, buying up property, too. And it's, it's kind of a chaotic situation, but it's like undeniably better than how it was before. So it, in an ideal situation, you don't have to adopt those harsh measures to have like a safe, prosperous society.

[A]

Right.

[C]

But once you get to the point where crime and disorder have, have eaten away the social fabric so much, you know, it's really. Do you, do you let your country die and be a hellhole or do you, do you do whatever is necessary to, to get there?

[A]

Let's be real. I mean, from the outside looking at El Salvador, it's fantastic. Yeah. I have friends who have moved down there. They say it's fantastic. Would we not want that same kind of reform for the United States now? But think about what that means.

[E]

It's extremely popular in El Salvador.

[A]

He went and rounded up all the gangs. There's, you know, there are stories of people, it's like you had a gang tattoo. They just arrested you on the spot and you're going to jail. We're done. So, I mean, do we want to live that way? I think there's concerns and challenges in what overreach could look like. But if we went half the speed of El Salvador to ensure that we protected rights, but moved in that direction, it'd be a good thing.

[C]

Yeah, it's just stuff like having the, you know, proper sentencing, having attorneys, pardon me, das, and judges that are willing to actually ensure that people serve the time that they're due. I don't think it would take anything extreme in America. There'd be a lot of opposition from the left, of course. But I do think the average American would like it.

[E]

I think I would push back on that because I think that the problem that you're outlining that the, that you're pointing at the DAs and the judges, that's the biggest problem. It's not whether or not we have laws sufficient to put people in jail for committing crimes. We absolutely do. It's that we have an infestation of leftists in the judicial departments of these, of different states and cities and stuff. So how do you get people that want to have soft on crime policies that believe in things like crazy like restorative justice, how do you get them out of those positions when a lot of times would DAs have to be, you know, elected? Yes, but there are foreign entities that are dumping tons of money into these DA races. And then you got judges who generally are appointed for life frequently, not all the time. There are some where there are elections and stuff, but judges that are appointed for life, that have these, you know, soft on crime policies, these restorative justice policies where they're just like, well, you know, if you are of a certain persuasion, if you're, if you're not a white person, we're going to go ahead and allow you to have a, A, a light sentence, a short sentence, let you go ahead and go free on your own recognizance, just promise you'll come back, or blah, blah, blah, which always ends with terrible results. Not every individual, of course, enough where it's generally. Yeah, it's generally. And it's enough where you can say these policies produce more crime and they are a danger to the population. And you can see it on the subway in North Carolina. That poor girl that got stabbed, that guy should have been in jail, but they just kept letting him out and letting him out, you know, and it turns into dead people.

[A]

Isn't that funny that Democrats are like, we need gun control laws. And then when they arrest a guy with an illegal gun, they say, you're.

[E]

Free to go insane.

[D]

Yeah, well, I mean, I was like, there's all these laws and I'm in total, total agreement. Like our justice system, the people carrying out justice, there's soros upon a DA's, et cetera, et cetera. Like we're all on the same page. But it's like, yeah, when you see that situation in Charlotte with Arena, it's like, I mean, no matter what laws you have passed, it's not going to stop that from happening.

[A]

Breaking news, I guess. This is from NBC News. Shots fired at ABC affiliate in Sacrament. Yo, let's. Where's the audio at? Let's go. Sacramento police there say the ABC building has been hit by gunfire. Nobody injured, but there you can see bullet holes in the glass just coming in the last few minutes. We can also tell you that, in fact, it looks this is coming just after the Jimmy Kimmel decision to realize people like Jimmy Kimmel, we suspend him from his show. Let's go out to our NBC, Andrew Blankstein. To be fair, the last few people, the holdouts, must really love him. One of our investigative producers who's joining us now on the phone, Andrew, nobody knows this better than you. What's happening in that area.

[G]

Good afternoon, Tom. Well, at this point, just after 1:30 today, officers respond to reports of shots fired in the 400 block of Broadway in Sacramento where the ABC affiliate is located. They observed the building had been hit by gunfire. No injuries. And at this point, at least this is very preliminary. At this point, they can't say for sure whether this was targeted or random. But given the timing that you just referred to, that's going to be part of the investigation as far as any additional resources or agencies not responding at the moment. But if there's changes in that look to see if that, that broadens this investigation. And again, if it would be in any way related to Jimmy Kimmel, and.

[A]

You could imagine the motivations, if it is related to Jimmy Kimmel, it could be directed at ABC for at least suspending the show, or could be directed at ABC and Kimmel because of what Kimmel said.

[G]

Well, and I doubt that's right. It could be. At this point, it's so prolonged, they don't even have a suspect description. Obviously, they're going to be canvassing, looking for any cameras, if there's any in and around that location, but also the city to try to track down, get a license plate or a witness. And at this point, this is the thing, the timing is pretty glaring. But when I asked them directly if they thought it was related, they said it's just too early to say anything about that. It's going to be part of their investigation.

[A]

I'm gonna say I do not see a reality where an ABC affiliate, the affiliates were responsible for Kimmel getting pulled off the air, got shot at right after Kimmel got pulled off the air. And they're like, coincidence? I mean, it's possible, I guess, but come on, what reasonable person is gonna draw that conclusion? So I will say this, as I often say, the truth does not matter to partisans. People who see this are going to interpret it how they want. And I assure you, liberals are gonna go, they're shooting at us now. They're gonna say abc, that's, that's where Kimmel worked, and it's Trump supporters shooting at, at abc. And that makes no sense, to be honest. So I know the right is gonna say this. Is somebody angry at ABC for pulling Kimmel because they're saying Trump's a fascist. And it may. Maybe it's nothing. Maybe, maybe it was a guy who thought ABC was the liquor store, but he didn't realize he was not in Virginia. I don't know.

[E]

I mean, look, I'm going to, you know, preface this by saying, thankfully, it seems like there were no injuries, no one was shot. But I, I tend to think that it's unlikely that it was a Trump supporter.

[C]

Sure.

[E]

The. There's not really a whole lot of reason for a Trump supporter to be like, oh, I'm Just going to randomly shoot at this ABC station, especially when. And ostensibly the conservatives are, you know, pressing the advantage. You know, conservatives and people, they're. They're conservatives and people that would be Trump, considered Trump supporters. They're in a position where you can kind of say, look, you know, things are generally. We generally have. Have the, the opinion of the American people on our side. Trump's up 10 points today from, from Rasmussen.

[A]

It's true.

[E]

You know, huge bumps.

[A]

The one question, though, for those of us on X is how can we blame this on Israel?

[E]

Well, you just do it. I feel like you just kind of yolo into it. Just, you know, Leroy Jenkins, it was the Jews.

[C]

You don't really have to think too hard about it. You know, there are plenty of people who will, who will totally endorse it, you know, right off.

[A]

Sure.

[C]

And yeah, a lot of them live in Pakistan and Bangladesh, but like that.

[A]

Then let's try despite the other one civil war.

[E]

I mean, like I said, I think, I think. I mean, look, I'm a partisan, so I think it's the left. You know, this is civil.

[A]

I agree, though. It makes no sense why the right would be like, yay, we won, now go shoot at abc. That makes no sense. And the left is angry, saying, abc, we're boycotting you. We're angry with you. But either way, this is what civil strife looks like.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

So this is like bleeding Kansas. And I'm hold on, guys. We don't know the motive here. We don't know what happened. For all we know, could be a jilted lover, you know, and his wife was a PA or something. And he's like, you cheated on me. We have no idea. But bleeding Kansas, civil strife looks like. You turn on the news and you're getting crazy stories like this. And so, man, we just had. I mean, we just had an assassination. You know what I mean? This is this. Again, we don't know what the motive is. But I'm saying this is two days ago, just speculation, sitting with my security team. And they're like, going over the intelligence and they're saying, based on our assessment, here's what we're seeing on social media chatter. Here's the forums are saying. Here's what the direct threats we're seeing to you, they're like, the likelihood of an attack not just on you, but anywhere is very, very high. Then the Kimmel thing happens and shots fight. An ABC affiliate, maybe unrelated. We're not sure. We'll see.

[D]

Yeah, well, yeah, we're just Getting a higher and higher proportion of the population does nothing to lose, and I think that's a huge problem. So you're going to see more of this.

[A]

That's why I'm glad I have a cyber truck, because it can. It's. It's. It can withstand lower caliber caliber handgun rounds.

[E]

Yeah, it's. And it's also the. The windows will withstand rocks and such.

[A]

Oh, right, right, right, right. Yes. The. The bulletproof windows. I think you could. We didn't get those. Yeah, I mean, we did. They are. Don't try. No, I shouldn't say that, because. You ever see Unbreakable?

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Kid thinks the dad's invincible, so he's gonna shoot him and he's like, I'm not invincible. And, you know, but we. My understanding is the bulletproof windows can't roll down in the. In the armored cybertruck or whatever. Maybe I need to get one of those.

[E]

I mean, I got a regular cyber truck. It's not a bad idea. Yeah.

[A]

Alex Jones has that APC thing. You ever see that?

[E]

I haven't seen Jones.

[C]

Does he drive it around, like, the grocery store?

[A]

I don't know about that.

[C]

Yeah, that's pretty bad.

[A]

I got. I. We were. I thought, like, I think when I was there this few years ago, we were going to drive it around, but we ended up not like. But I. We. We went inside it and he showed me around, and it's. It's a monster truck. He's. You can find it. You can Google it and, like, watch the videos.

[C]

Yeah, I think I. I've seen him driving around in it, like for activism or something. I didn't know he's like, you know, going to the grocery store.

[A]

I don't think that he lives in.

[C]

Texas, though, so if there's any place to drive that thing around, no one will bat it about your day.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There should be. Like, I just got. I'm just gonna go under it, you know, just. Just speed up to go past it. You know what I mean? Yeah.

[E]

I just rely on the fact that my car's really fast.

[A]

Man, this is. This is crazy. I'm gonna see if I can find any. Any more.

[E]

And I'm. I mean, I'm not one to talk smack about Jones. I carry bulletproof vest in my car, so.

[A]

Oh, there is an update. They said that a. A white guy in a black hood with a Kamala Harris hat yelled, this is Biden country. Yeah, there's no. There's no updates.

[D]

Dang.

[A]

Just. That's crazy.

[E]

Yeah, I mean, like I said, it's, it's, it's. This is kind of, you know, par for the course nowadays, apparently. This is, I don't see how things are going to cool off when you've got, you know, congressional leaders or members of Congress on the floor of Congress talking about how the person that was just murders for murdered for sharing their opinions and for, for engaging in polite political discourse. And he was always polite with the people that came up. He was always incredibly friendly and he would prevent people that were bystanders from heckling people. When you've got a member of Congress talking about how racist he was, how horrible of a person he was, this is something that is ubiquitous on the left now. I don't see how, I mean, I would love to see an off ramp, but I still don't see one where.

[A]

We'Re hearing now it may have been celebratory gunfire. The people of Sacramento were just celebrating when they opened fire.

[E]

Like, thank goodness Jimmy Kimmel's off the air. We don't have to watch him anymore.

[A]

Yeah, they're, they're getting ragged on for this, but it is, it is pretty scary. I mean, I, I will say it, my friends, we don't know exactly what the reason is. There was a congressional staffer who was set on fire and said, I didn't want to die. And yeah, it was an accident. And I was just like, okay, that seems weird. How do you accidentally go outside and set yourself on fire? I guess it could happen. Like you're trying to burn trash illegally or something.

[D]

We don't know our way around cigarettes. These things happen.

[A]

And like spilled gasoline on you. Yeah, I guess gasoline would put a cigarette out, I'm pretty sure. I don't know. Don't play with fire, ladies and gentlemen.

[D]

So true.

[A]

But these stories, man, this is scary.

[D]

You to restore order.

[E]

I, I, I tend to one more.

[A]

One more grain of sand in the. Trump's gonna, Trump's gonna be like, we can't live this way. We can't, can't.

[D]

True.

[A]

I'm wondering, I think, I think next week Trump might go ham.

[D]

He just needs to reuse some of the old tweets that he has. He had some really good applications. This old tweets that, that, you know, would probably get him in a lot of trouble now. But he knows, he knows, he knows what to do.

[A]

Some people are tweeting that, that it, it was a leftist, but I don't see any, I'm trying to, I, I, this was a couple hours ago. The story broke, actually. So six, 6:40. I'm. I'm gonna try and see if I can find any more updates on this or if anybody knows.

[E]

Yeah, I mean, I would like some kind of, you know, some more information. I. I don't imagine that there's a. Someone out there that was actually wearing a Biden Harris shirt. I was like, you know, I'm the one that did it. Ah, but. But it is a situation where this kind of stuff is going to likely escalate. You know, this is going to continue, particularly with the. The rhetoric that you're hearing from the left, again, like they're the leaders of the Democrat Party pretty ubiquitously had the right initial response, but then the more progressive people within a day or two were pointing out, oh, but he was so terrible, and he said all these horrible things. And they're repeating lies or they're repeating selectively, you know, selected selectively edited videos or, you know, stuff out of context and stuff to. For no other reason than to say it's actually okay. You don't point out. You don't sit there and say, oh, Charlie Kirk was a bad person and he had all these bad opinions, unless the point of saying that is to say, so it's actually kind of okay that he was murdered. Yeah, it's a tacit endorsement.

[D]

Yeah. I mean, I've said it before on the show is like, they set up this pincer movement a while ago where they're like, it's okay to punch. Punch a Nazi or whatever. And everyone's like, okay, I don't know, maybe. And then they're like, yeah, but you're also a Nazi.

[E]

Yep.

[D]

So now we have the justice. So they've just. They justified political violence a long time ago. And then now the tactic has just been advancing the goalpost on what a Naz, or moving the goalpost on what a Nazi is. And then now just being a conservative, a patriot, is now beyond the pale for them. And they can justify. So even though they're coming up with this lip service where they're giving this condemnation, saying there's no place for political violence, they add a bunch of modifiers on there to ensure that they still have. They still have a justification in case they do want to go after you, they don't want to concede that line of, like, you know, you're still a terrible person and deserve to die. I just, for whatever reason, my PR lady said, I have to condemn this. I'm going to condemn this.

[C]

Yeah, I agree with that. And I think the Smarter Democrats recognize that, especially when you're not in power, that your own side doing political violence gives the other side a pretext to crack down. Which is exactly what's happening. And it's why, you know, me and other smart right wingers have for like, you know, decades been saying that right wing political violence is absolutely not the right way forward. So.

[A]

Yeah. Okay, we got breaking news. Newsmax report of a bomb threat at RFK Jr's Georgetown home. This is breaking as of 8 o'. Clock. I mean it's pretty wild because we do pre production and it's hard to find all the stories and things start.

[C]

Blowing up and shots are fired and K9 units deployed.

[A]

The home and surrounding areas have been searched and cleared. Officials say that as of now, no explosive device has been found. The scene remains active while the investigation continues. Wow. This is RFK jr's house. Far be it for me to be like, hey, look, this proves that I was right. But, but this is what I was saying Civil war in the modern era would look like. We are going to see a bunch of stories like bomb threats, shootings, red alerts, false alarms. I would say this is, this is definitely like a bleeding Kansas thing. I'm not saying we're in civil war. I'm saying this is definitely bleeding Kansas level violence. The only thing is as, as we had a super chatter make the great point. They didn't have instant data transmission back in 1860s.

[E]

Yep.

[A]

So this stuff took months to progress. I mean if you were trying to get a surrender, you wouldn't know until the, the postal carrier could deliver the letter and you'd actually get a response. Now it's all in real time and people can react to the shooting at ABC in real time with, with acts of craziness on the other side of the country. So this is, this is nuts. Holy crap, man.

[E]

Yeah, bomb threats, you know, shooting at television stations, stuff that would have been assassination.

[A]

I mean, look, we are one. It's been one. It's not even, it's been a week and we've got congressional staffer dies being set on fire. Somehow they say it's no foul play. I want to make sure that's clear. Bomb threated RFK juniors house shooting at an ABC station. Yeah.

[D]

And this stuff would have been front page news five years ago. Now it's like, oh, okay, yeah, that's kind of the moment we're in.

[A]

That's crazy. Yeah, not only, not to mention there's the lower tier stuff, all the people getting fired from their jobs for dancing on Charlie's grave. The celebration of the, of the, of the, the assassination. This has been one insane escalatory week. Yeah, this is crazy.

[E]

It's.

[C]

Well, liberals finally became free speech advocates. It took, it took quite a bit happening to get them to that point. But you know, when it came to their right to. When it came to our right to criticize various policies like black lives, Black Lives matter riots and Covid stuff, you know, they weren't supportive of our free speech then. But when it came to people saying that you shouldn't cheer on and encourage more political assassinations of normal law abiding citizens, then they became free speech, you know, absolutists, so to speak. It's, it's totally ridiculous.

[E]

Yeah, I mean, to call to, to chime in and say, oh, you don't like cancel culture now you're a hypocrite. When they were literally canceling people for using the wrong pronouns.

[A]

Right.

[C]

Just a couple basic conservative beliefs. We're not, no one's getting cancele being like a basic liberal. They're getting canceled for literally saying that this innocent guy deserved to have his like, neck explode on.

[E]

Who was, who was the race car driver that got canceled because his dad said the N word?

[C]

Oh, yeah, I didn't hear about that one.

[E]

But yeah, I dug into the past so much that there, there, there was a dude's father who said the N word in the 80s and they canceled him for it.

[A]

Mike Cernich has a great tweet. He said, if we're not careful, all of our conservative and right wing friends are going to lose their late night shows, their network news anchor positions, professorships and roles as Hollywood actors. Their films might not get reviewed by the New York Times. Peril indeed. Point well taken, Mike.

[E]

Yeah, it's unreal. It's unreal. The idea that, that you're, that the right is, is a hypocrite. And I saw a clip from Gavin McInnes about this today and he was like, yeah, we are hypocrites. Humans are hypocrites generally. But now we wanted to be the free speech people. We wanted that. And you canceled everybody. You fought, you canceled us, blah, blah, blah. And again, coming from McInnes that, you know, that's pretty poignant because he got canceled for literally nothing. Like he's done, he had done nothing. He just said things that were a little outside of what were politically correct. And he got booted for, from X for seven years or whatever. And he was like, f you, this is war. We're going to cancel you. We're going to do everything we can to hurt you. We are hypocrites. We're comfortable with that. You made it this way. Welcome to what you created.

[D]

Yeah, well, Mike Tyson, he said, everyone's got a plan, so they get punched in the teeth. It's the same thing. It's like, look, every conservative is principled. And so you start shooting at us.

[E]

Yeah, yeah, sorry, sorry. And if you wanted principle, like, you could have just said, you know what, we'll just pull down, pull back on the, on the canceling. We'll, we'll try to get, we'll try to have, have cooler heads prevail. All of our leaders will, will actually police our, our, our, you know, our members are the members of the Democrat Party, the left. And that would have filtered through to most of the Democrats. But they didn't do that. They engaged in the heated rhetoric. Just, in fact, they engaged in far more heated rhetoric than anyone on the right did. The left has moved so far to the left that the right saying the most anodyne and mundane conservative values they called hate speech. So they changed the, essentially, they changed the rules. And then when the conservatives said, well, we're not going to change our rules. These are things that we actually believe in, right, they said, well, then that justifies us hating you. That justifies us ending your careers. That justifies us doing whatever we want to harm your family. That justifies us up to and including murdering you. And then they're like, but what about free speech? Fu f you Unreal. Real. But I mean, I don't.

[C]

The government. Yeah, yeah. Trump's not legally preventing people from cheering on Charlie Kirk's death. Maybe he's got that in, in the card. So I'll have to walk this back a bit, but yeah, no, it's literally, I do think that the, A lot of normal people view, like, cheering on a gruesome assassination is like a pretty crazy thing. And if it were, if, if like every liberal thought that was okay to do, these people wouldn't be. Be getting canceled for, you know, because for all of the ground that the right has gained in recent years, most institutions are still like, especially like in cities and stuff, are still like, pretty left wing. But yeah, these people, it really took them cheering on, you know, the murder of an innocent person in order for them to start suffering social consequences for their views. Whereas for, you know, I always think back to the police officer who, you know, the givesend go or the GoFundMe for Kyle Rittenhouse's. Legal defense got hacked and all of the names were leaked.

[A]

Please.

[C]

This guy lost his job for donating like 20 bucks.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Yep.

[C]

So yeah, the bar is. Has been extremely low for getting canceled as a conservative. And now, now the other side is crying about Cancel Culture because, you know, they're just extreme, like pro assassination freaks at this point.

[E]

Literally, Literally.

[C]

It's like that's literally what they're. It's happening.

[A]

What are the, what are the words of that one song? It's times like these that I'm glad I live in a large acre place. Property with a security perimeter and armed guards.

[D]

Yeah, 90s.

[A]

Yeah, thousands maybe. Foo Fighters. It's times like these I'm glad I live on a property with armed guards and security perimeters.

[E]

That's how it goes.

[D]

No, as we had a guest on the show Monday, Slow Jack, and he was like, yeah, like celebrating a death at a McDonald's would have gotten you fired from McDonald's. Like it's just because this has become a wedge issue that they're calling it Cancel Culture. He's like, that's always been the case. You always get fired from your job for like celebrating someone getting shot.

[C]

And more importantly, things like that should happen.

[A]

Cancel Culture was always when people were fired for things that were not objectionable. Right. They, they something they did 10 years ago, something their dad did or an off color joke. And I think the first instance of this was that woman on the plane when she said something like flying to South Africa, hope I don't get aids. Just kidding, I'm white. And she was making that joke as a liberal. Yeah, yeah. And she was on the plane with no Internet and the whole Internet blew up. Being life was destroy her.

[E]

Her life was over by the time she landed. What year was that like roughly 2012 or something.

[C]

Okay, yeah, I was going to say because liberals, I feel bad for zoomers. They don't know what it was like. But back, back in like the late 2000s, early 2010s, like every liberal I knew was saying stuff like that. It was just like, you know, edgy humor, whatever.

[A]

And she was, she tried explaining. She was like, no, I was pointing out that the people who suffer under AIDS are the black people and the white people are getting special treatment. And they were like, the companies were like, we don't care. A hate mob is a hate mob regardless of ideology and they've decided to hate you. So she shouldn't have lost her job over that. That's stupid. No one should have actually cared at All. It's weird that some random woman. Viral. This was cancel Culture. When they were like, you have an opinion we don't. Like, you're fired. And it's like, bro, I supported Trump. It's like you said something like, I think Trump's right about immigration. You know, maybe you're fired now. It's like, a dude got shot and killed, and you're posting videos, dancing and celebrating, saying, who's next? And they're like, I don't think someone who has violent tendencies and murderous rage should work at this company. And they're like, that's cancel Culture. Well, I think our employees, our customers are a little freaked out by you calling for death, and they don't want to shop here, so we're gonna ask you to leave. Or what Jimmy Kimmel does.

[E]

Did, you know, just get and say something that offends people and get booted. I mean, suck at your job.

[C]

And these people censored the. They censored the president to us. They're crying about, like, you know, cracking down on. On free. Jimmy Kimmel's free speech. Like, you censored the president. Yeah, out of here.

[E]

Booted him off of Facebook, Twitter.

[D]

Got, like, booted from, like, Pinterest.

[E]

Yeah, he was booted off everything. And he was the president.

[C]

They say, oh, but that. That wasn't like, the government doing that. And then you find out about. Maybe not in that specific case, although it probably was. I mean, after J6, the deep state just kind of, like, took over the. The administration. But, I mean, you know, in the recent years, we've learned the extent to which the government's been involved in censoring the private sector. And, you know, it's the idea that it's just like a free. These are just free companies doing what they want. It's, you know, in some cases, yes, but no, the Biden administration and even. Even before that, you know, the Deep State has been using all. Mike Benz has done great work on this, Just. Just every aspect of the government they can to crack down on free speech. So, yeah, I mean, it's crazy to still see people say, like, well, careful, if you're doing this, the left might do it. It's like, yeah, right. You should have been saying that to them before. Because now, like, it's inverted. Like, yeah, now we're not doing what they did, just to be clear. But we are, you know.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

You know, cracking down. We're kind of asserting power, but it's far fairer in, like, more justified way.

[D]

Right.

[C]

Than anything that they did.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Like, they were, like, impeaching the president, like, trying to throw him in jail. And none of them ever said, what if the right does this to us?

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

It's like a. They know we won't.

[A]

Like, we're like, we know we'll just elect a dead guy.

[D]

But then be. Yeah, because they're not stupid.

[A]

They.

[D]

They would never say that because they're trying to win. Like, that's. They're just trying to win. They want it more than we do, evidently.

[C]

Well, they had power for so long, and they were so arrogant that they thought that they could literally just do anything. I always think back to this Matt Iglesias tweet. It was, you know, it was like maybe a week. You know the one I'm talking about? It was maybe a week or so after Trump was deplat.

[A]

Good.

[C]

He said, wow, it's kind of crazy that we just deplatformed Trump and nothing happened.

[A]

There was no downside whatsoever. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[E]

No discernible downside.

[C]

Well, flash forward to 2024 and it's like, all right, dude, maybe. Maybe rethink.

[A]

Well, you know, we were talking about the other day with Mary, and I was saying, she. She was basically saying, like, we need to go against these people. We need to use whatever force we can, like censorship, whatever. I don't want to put words in her mouth. I'll just say my point was, when the right was on the receiving end of all this, none of it worked. Nobody. They silenced people, but it didn't stop their mission. They. They smeared people. They accused them of missing disinformation. They tried to dominate the culture and failed. And right now, we are winning. That same strategy will not work on the left. You're not going to ban them into a blame. It's not going to happen. So I don't know what you do to stop deranged psychopaths like Jimmy Kimmel who go on TV and lie and say, the shooter was mega guy.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And, you know, it's really my favorite one, seeing these liberals post. The difference between Roseanne and Jimmy Kimmel is that Roseanne wasn't fired because the president tried to get her fired. Or the thing about Jimmy Kimmel is that it went against their own business interests because the president pressured them. And it's just like these are the lies they're spreading. Trump did not get Jimmy Kimmel fired. Brendan Carr played a small role with his statement, which was worrisome. But advertisers unrelated to affiliates or the FCC had complained as well, and when Jimmy Kimmel was talking with the executives, he said he was going to double down. This is an entirely different scenario where with Roseanne, she made a joke. Liberals lobbied to get her fired from her job. And then I believe Roseanne said Obama and Michelle called ABC and lobbied for her dismissal. So it's, they live in, they live in an inverted reality. It's just nuts. Or at the bare minimum, let's just do this. Let's say Roseanne and Kim are identical in every single way. They cheered for Roseanne getting fired. So why should they be upset now when they got the world that they wanted? Right. They're saying that the right, they're hypocrites for now being in favor of getting people fired from their jobs. And I'm like, no, no, no. There's a difference. There's the eight years of please stop getting people fired from their jobs and liberals saying no. Then finally the right saying, fine, we will stop you taking power and stopping them versus the hypocrisy of it's a good thing to ban people. And then what happens to them? They say, oh, no, our free speech. The left are hypocrites. The right are just trying to win because the left started a fight. We're going to go to your chats and Rumble rants, my friend. So smash the like button, share the show with everyone you know, literally everyone. And let's, let's see what you got. Join our discord [e-mail] join rumble premium. Of course we got TJ. Sharad says just had septum sinus surgery yesterday to fix my breathing. Watching with my amazing girlfriend caretaker who has been a gift from God. Kimmel getting canned is a better gift than my new breathing. Right on. Oh, what is this? Joshua David says with the end of H1B, do you think we will see a change in wages across the board? Yep. Yep. Okay.

[E]

I don't, I, I don't have any idea as to if they're actually gonna.

[C]

Maybe in certain, certain industries. I think maybe over time though, that you're gonna, you're, it might, might take a little bit. Definitely not instantaneous. Yeah.

[D]

Be a long matriculation process. I mean, because eventually, yeah. With the boomers dying off, it'd be these specialty fields. They're just gonna have to train these young guys and there's gonna be a huge, the huge demand for I think talent.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I think in tech, entry level tech stuff. I would imagine there are more jobs and they're going to be higher paid.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

So I Don't know if you guys saw I tweeted this. I also posted on Instagram it's my political company compass test. It's actually funny. I moved left. I did. And I'm a social social liberty.

[C]

Phil's shaking his head.

[A]

Yeah but this is what's funny is that I pointed out in the video that I did where I took the test. Left and right has nothing to do with this. In the modern era, left basically means pro trans and and for real because you can be, you can be critical of communist economic theory and the left will be like okay, okay. But if you come out and you're like gender ideology is weird. They'll say you're a right wing, you're far right and they'll kick you out. And so I took the test and it plotted me on the left libertarian spectrum which is typically where I fall and terrible has a question about this says Tim earlier you disagreed with the question about needing religion to be moral. Wouldn't growing up in a Judaic Christian country shape one's morals but not religion, not religious be similar as cut flower politics but not religious be similar. I don't know what you mean by that. I will just explain my point. Point. The question was something like do you need religion to be moral? And the answer is you. You an individual does not. I forgot how the actual the question was actually framed and I pointed out that these questions are framed to make you appear leftist. So when you take the political compass test there's a lot of absolutes that you can't answer and so you must be a leftist. That's kind of how it plays. So the idea that an individual must be religious to be moral is just not correct because you can have derivative religious religious foundations. And so the individual themself doesn't have any religious foundation. Bill Maher for instance, is a largely moral person. However, he does not have a underlying himself religious understanding. He probably he's learned to a certain degree on these things but he couldn't tell you what a theologian or actually your common practicing Christian could. He doesn't know much about the background. As I said, I agree with Ben Shapiro that he was born morally on third base but the individual himself does not practice a religion. That that was the point of the question in my view. If you do you need. Do you need to practice a religion to be moral? And the answer is no. But I do believe that our morals here in this country are rooted in Christian values. That's the problem with these questions. It asked one of the Questions was should should abortion where the life of the mother is not in jeopardy? I said abortions where the life of the mother is not in jeopardy should net should, should always be illegal. Or it was like it was an absolute. And I was like, well, if my option is to be absolute, no matter what the circumstance, considering we haven't even assessed the circumstances, I can't say yes to that. There are certain circumstances where abortion should be legal when the life of the mother is not in jeopardy. And I know it's potentially rare. Let's say it's one in, in a, in 100 million. The point is, because I can't advocate for an absolute in that regard. We haven't assessed the goals or the probabilities. So either way, I'm largely traditional pro choice old school, but Democrats have largely lost their mind. The left is a cult. I'll probably end. Basically the point of the video was what defines left or right is whether you believe the truth or the lie. If you live in the cult reality of fake news like Jimmy Kimmel and Stephen Colbert, you will be on the left if you know the truth. Even if you have left liberal perspective, you are right wing. So here I am. I can answer every question which justifies why I lean left and they'll call me far right.

[E]

Yeah. I mean you look at someone like, so I think you brought it up last night real quick or whatever or mentioned it. Shoe on had put out a new video talking about the, the shooting of Charlie Kirk and she was basically just kind of venting about how appalled she is at the behavior of the left. And she has pretty left leaning economic views. Like she believes in a social safety net. She, she thinks that Bernie Sanders has economic views that are, that are right on point. Like she's, you know, thinks that billionaires or there's too many billionaires or their billionaires should pay higher taxes or what have you. But when you are, are presented with the modern left the way that they look at, at social questions and you see that they literally act like they're evil.

[A]

Right.

[E]

They're laughing at someone's death.

[C]

Right.

[E]

A person that has, they have no reason to hate this person other than they have a different opinion. Right. They look at, they believe that you, you, you can't become a woman if you're a man. And they believe that, that you shouldn't, you shouldn't have abortions because they believe that's killing a, a human. Like if those things, if you say, well that makes you an evil person and then you have to Lie about them. You know, it's. It's. It's shocking to a lot of people. And I think that that goes to Tim's point about, you know, how the. The people on the right are more in touch with reality than people on the left are.

[A]

Joshua David says, rest with Jesus, Charlie. Be seeing you then, bro. Right on.

[D]

So true.

[A]

Finn's up says, yes, I said this wife and I took a trip to Europe, and the amount of tourists I saw was insane. Way more than when I went 12 years ago. I thought people were broke. I ain't even playing. I thought people were broke. It seems to be that half the population is broke and half the population's got money to burn also.

[D]

Like, yeah, traveling has gotten much cheaper as well. And people are, like, seeing. On Instagram, they're seeing these trips, so it's becoming more of a priority for them. Like, even when Americans maybe even had more, like, economic power abroad, it just didn't occur to them to travel. They'd be like, I'd rather go to the Grand Canyon. That's what I see on tv. But, yeah, now people scroll Instagram, like, I have to see Prague before I die.

[C]

And in some of these European countries, I think, like, Spain is the biggest example. They're having. They're having, like, protests again. Oh, yeah, that's the tourists. There's too much tourism. They don't like it.

[D]

Yeah. People whose entire town is dependent on tourism, they see tourists hate these two, but it's like their city would just collapse.

[C]

Yeah. That's the sad thing. I mean. Yeah. Having your city, your country turn into kind of like Disneyland, basically. Bad. But, like, you know.

[D]

Yeah, you need, like, a little bit of.

[C]

If you're. If your economy is dependent on it, then, like, you got to.

[D]

Yeah. What are you going to do? Like, Hawaiians complain about this, like, all day. I'm like, bro, you're here for.

[E]

I imagine. I imagine that, like, if there wasn't so much immigration in places across Europe, they would be less averse to tourism.

[D]

Oh, yeah. Could you imagine the tourism to Paris if it was, like, French? It would be, like. It'd be an unrealistic will.

[E]

It's not very French anymore.

[D]

Not. Yeah.

[A]

All right. D.H. shannon says my gorgeous wife is delivering our daughter Charlotte.

[E]

Hey.

[A]

Chose the name months ago, before the violence. Now it will remind me to be a husband and father like Charlie. There is light in the world.

[D]

Let's go.

[E]

All right. Congratulations.

[D]

Congrats.

[A]

All right. Patriot Paladin says the assassination of Charlie Kimmel's Lies and cancellation and now ABC gradually. And then all at once. Yeah. When I was talking to Eric Prince, I asked him, with all the countries that he's been to, with everything his. His men and partners have seen, is there, you know, is. Is this happening in the United States? And what he said was, the one thing that's true in every location is that it happens overnight. One day. Yes, there's political turmoil and you go to bed, but when you wake up, the electricity won't turn on and there's no Internet. That's what happens. And so. But we won't know until it happens. And. And it. There's. For obvious reasons, the power goes out first. The Internet goes out first because you cut communications first thing when. When a conflict starts. So I suppose we'll just see. And the reality is, by the time you actually know, it will be too late. So what I can say is the worst thing in the world for us would be if we lived in a city. Imagine doing this show from a major urban metro. True.

[C]

I guess you just couldn't do it. Maybe. Maybe in some cities, not.

[A]

We'd have. I'd have to have like 15 guys with rifles running the building. I mean, they're shooting up an ABC building in Sacramento. We don't know why yet, but. Yeah. So we're on the middle of nowhere. We still have threats and risks, but it's much more defensible and much harder to get to. And that's why I was like, we need to get away from these cities because of the degree of violence that's been erupted. Something. That's a scary thought. It's getting crazy out there. All right. Yeah. Yaki India says, do you think Trump would be able to use the National Guard to secure Charlie's funeral on Sunday? Aren't they.

[E]

I don't know. I heard that they were talking about the dress code as being red, white and blue.

[A]

Indeed, that is correct.

[E]

Yeah. And there's going to be. So if a lot of people.

[A]

So if you are a conservative and you are in Phoenix and you are going and you are wearing specifically red, white and blue, everyone will know where you're going and your political leanings. All right. Quantum strange quarks is breaking all pride. Flags have been lowered in honor of Jimmy Kimmel.

[C]

Nice.

[A]

John. Kristen Christian says amazing culture war today. We need one with Chad Jackson and teach him Chuck on MLK along with the one on Raymond Ibrahim on History of Islam. Yeah. We talked about exorcisms and possession. And my favorite part was actually talking about dmt. When, when people do DMT and then meet entities, it's. It's like, could they just be. These are demons?

[E]

Well, I personally, I just think it's the dmt, but I'm not particularly.

[A]

Yeah, but there are stories of people who they. They put in two different rooms next to each them, dmt, and they both go to the same place and learn the same information. That's why, you know, when Joe Rogan was doing all these shows about dmt, everyone was so interested because they're like, how did two people who did not communicate come back from a trip but have the same information? How was that information translated to them? And there's still. There's still theories as to. As to how. There's. What is this. What is that movie with. It's a really awful movie, but it's got Robert De Niro in it and he's a magician and the guy's trying to like, figure out how he. How he does it. There's a movie, Robert De Niro is a magician and he claims to have actual psychic powers. And they can't figure out how he does it. And he and an assistant go into isolated booths and he's supposed to know psychically what the other guy, what number he's chosen. And. And sure enough, when the guy chooses a number, Robert Daniel gets it right every time. And they're like, there's no transmission between them. We don't know how they would communicate any information. Therefore, this is supernatural. It turns out they had synchronized watches. And every time Robert De Niro would get a signal to like, he would get signaled, it was his turn to respond. He would look to where the second hand on his watch was, and that was the number to pick. So they were still able to. Able to convey information.

[C]

Interesting.

[A]

Yeah, it was.

[C]

You said it's not a good movie, though. It sounds interesting, but if you said it wasn't that great.

[A]

Yeah, they tried, they. They wanted. They tried to. I'm gonna spoil the movie. I forgot what it's called, but Cillian Murphy is in it, I think, and he works with Sigourney Weaver and they're like trying to debunk the supernatural. Okay. And they do when a guy goes to prison because he's defrauding people or something. And then at the end, the twist is that Cillian Murphy had psychic powers the whole time. And you're like, you know, okay.

[C]

It seems like kind of a cop out from a writing perspective.

[A]

Yeah, they didn't do it very well. They were trying to have it be, like, the Prestige or whatever, where it's, like, actually a good movie. Yeah. Yeah. Where it, like, flashes back and you're like, oh, now it makes sense. Yeah. It's like, instead, you're just like, oh, well, that was dumb. Well, it was. Okay. I guess I shouldn't be so mean. Whatever. All right, we'll grab some more gravity. Walker says, besides the fee for the H1B, we need to tax salaries paid to foreign workers at 100 or more. Offshoring our labor as a killer. Indeed. I mean, we're basically just saying, no more H1BS, you know what I mean? The skull kid says, ilhan Omar literally does this on behalf of Somalia every day. I think referring to the campaigning and lobbying on a. For a foreign country.

[E]

Yeah. I mean, if. If you're. If your interests are not America first, you shouldn't be in Congress.

[A]

You.

[E]

I mean, your. Your interest should be your constituents as a congressperson, but your. Your constituents are in America. They are not in some foreign country overseas. And if your interests are not that, you know, your constituents, you shouldn't be serving in Congress.

[D]

Do you imagine explaining this conundrum to, like, an American 50 years ago? Like, yeah, there's just, like. There's just a Somali enclave in Minnesota. And they keep electing.

[C]

It would have been unthinkable.

[D]

Islamists, they'd be like, what are you talking about?

[E]

I mean, no, I. I imagine they. They'd understand it because there's. There was a time when, you know, Italians came in and they were living in Little Italy.

[D]

I mean, they could wrap their head around Italians, but they'd be like, where's Somalia? Again?

[E]

But. Well, the thing is, like, you know, whether it be Irish or Italians, they were looked at as others in a way.

[D]

They were, like, closer. They were like, okay, it is.

[E]

Is. It is true they were Europeans and stuff, but, you know, when they were beating the crap out of each other in the streets, doesn't, you know, they. They didn't feel like they were as close as. As we feel like they are.

[D]

And that was Italians and Irish. So now Somali, it's like, that's a huge gap.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

You know, take a while.

[A]

Gravity Walker says El Salvador is proof that law and order results in prosperity. We must have the same here.

[E]

Absolutely. Sean Fitzgerald makes this. I think Sean did show. Right. Actual justice warrior. He makes this point all the time. Crime drives poverty, but poverty does not drive crime. People make the argument, oh, well, you know, it's poor and that it's a poor area. And that's why there's crime. No, that's not true at all.

[A]

Culture drives crime.

[E]

The crime happens, and then there's no investment in the area. Businesses leave. Police don't actually prevent crime. So nobody wants to have businesses. Nobody wants to. To put any of their money in there. And so that's. That makes more crime. It's not that poverty drives crime. It's crime drives poverty.

[A]

Interesting. Man, it's getting crazy. That's all I can say is it's getting crazy. Hank, Trey says. Can we talk about the Trey flip down El Toro? Yeah. When they released the footage, did they release the footage? No, there's TRA up, Dono. Oh, come on, bro. You got to get cultured. Chris Joslin. Come on. Don't you guys know anything? Yeah. Reportedly, he did it. There's a photo on the COVID of him. It's Thrasher. Right? And there's a photo of him going. But the video is yet to be seen. I don't know what they're waiting for. I think he already did it. Yeah, I know. I think so. Already counted, but. Oh, right, right, right. Everyone disputes that. Yeah. His first trade flip, his truck broke.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

And then he. But. And he rode away for, like, five feet and then spun out because his.

[E]

So for those now, landed it and rode for five feet, and they're saying.

[A]

It doesn't count, so that was a long time ago.

[E]

Okay, okay.

[A]

So for those that are not familiar, El Toro, the bull, is a large set of stairs thought to be close to the limit of human physical capability to jump down. And back in the day, I'll. I'll avoid the overt jargon from skateboarding, but it was jumped down, and people are like, whoa, that's crazy. And then it was spun, meaning someone jumped and rotated. And then Dave Pajinsky kick flipped it, meaning he not only jumped it, but the board flipped under his feet. And a lot of people thought it wasn't possible. Possible. And then he did, and people's minds were blown. Chris Joslin did what's called a 360 flip, where the board spins 360 degrees while flipping one time. But when he landed, the impact was so tremendous, the truck of the skateboard broke. And so as he rode forward, it lost control and he spun out, but he stuck it landed, rode a little bit. And as much as everyone said that counted, everybody in the back of their mind knew it doesn't. It's not his fault that the truck broke, but he didn't ride it out. And so everyone was like he did it at a human level, but we want more. And so reportedly he did it again. And it would be, for those that don't know, one of the greatest feats in the history of skateboarding. And so we think that it he did it. So anyway, my friends, smash the like button. Share the show with everyone. You know, it's a great Friday, had a lot of fun today. So make sure you join us on our discord [e-mail] click join us. Get in Everybody's they're having a party. Why aren't you there, Patrick? Do you want to shine anything out?

[C]

Yeah. If people enjoyed my commentary, they can go to Restore OrderUSA on Twitter and they can go to Patrick Casey.com to find my podcast and some of my writing.

[D]

You can find me on X and Instagram at Realtape Brown. Just come hang out there.

[E]

I am Phil that remains on Twix. The band is all that remains. You can follow all that remains on Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify and Deezer and YouTube. Oh, don't forget the left lane is for crime.

[A]

We will be back. We have clips throughout the weekend and then we'll see y' all on Monday. Thanks for hanging out, Sam.