Trump Kills 11 Narco Terrorists, Democrats Warn War With Venezuela Coming w/ Gavin McInnes

Summary

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Timcast IRL – Ep. "Trump Kills 11 Narco Terrorists, Democrats Warn War With Venezuela Coming"

Date: September 4, 2025
Guests: Gavin McInnes, Elad Eliyahu, Phil Labonte
Host: Tim Pool

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on major breaking news: the Trump administration’s release of a video showing the killing of 11 alleged Venezuelan narco-terrorists, and the subsequent political and geopolitical fallout. The panel discusses the possibility of escalated conflict with Venezuela, American drug policy, generational decline, the collapse of Vice Media, and social trends shaping the United States today. Gavin McInnes, founder of Vice and the Proud Boys, joins for a vigorous discussion that veers from narco wars and foreign policy to deep dives into media, culture, and masculinity.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Trump’s Strike on Narco Terrorists

• [00:06] Tim Pool kicks off by detailing the Trump administration's actions: a U.S. airstrike against a boat allegedly carrying Venezuelan drug cartel members, killing 11. Trump released video of the incident to the public.
• Pool points out the irony that Democrats, who usually oppose U.S. military action, are suddenly critical of Trump’s attack on drug traffickers, accusing him of murder.
  • “It is funny to see that Trump has now gotten the Democrats to get behind tren Aragua and drug cartels.” — Tim Pool [00:06]
• Pool expresses skepticism but notes that when the U.S. government voluntarily releases strike footage, it's likely a legitimate target.
  • “You get these military actions in Eastern Europe or the Middle east and then these pro military industrial complex neolibs are just like, no, that's fine... The one time you can probably expect the government not to be lying about the strike is when they publish the video and tell you we did it.” — Tim Pool [08:31]

Cartel Impact & Drug Policy

• McInnes is adamantly in favor of action if it disrupts fentanyl trafficking, though he makes a distinction between deadly drugs.
  • “If he was getting guys that were bringing fentanyl to the west... thank God he did that. But I think we have to differentiate exactly what was on this boat. Cuz if it was coke with no fentanyl, well, yeah, I'm glad you got those guys. We totally don't want cocaine in America. No way, Jose.” — Gavin McInnes [09:10]
• Lively debate about the moral and societal cost of various drugs (fentanyl vs. cocaine vs. weed), with consensus that fentanyl is the true villain.

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2. Will There Be War With Venezuela?

• [24:20] They transition to the threat of escalation, with Venezuela promising retaliation and U.S. Democrats warning of inadvertent war.
  • “The argument being that Maduro is not going to tolerate the US Military operations in the Caribbean and then the US Is going to stumble. I don't think it's stumbling. I think the US Intentionally will be like, time to go in, boys.” — Tim Pool [24:09]
• McInnes toyingly advocates for U.S. resource colonialism (“Let’s invade Venezuela... I’m not joking.” [24:46]) and criticizes Venezuela’s misuse of vast oil resources.
• Elad provides a serious strategic analysis, listing regime change as beneficial to U.S. economic and immigration interests:
  • “First of all, these cartels are terrorist organizations... we've been having a military buildup outside of Venezuela. There’s a lot of reasons why regime change would make sense there... we have the correct oil refineries for Venezuelan oil.” — Elad Eliyahu [27:14]
• Pool jokes about clandestine U.S. support for revolutions via USAID and notes the hypocrisy of using “international aid” as a cover for intervention.

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3. American Degeneracy & Generational Decline

• [33:22+] The group laments Gen Z's lack of work ethic and the declining fertility crisis:
  • “Gen Alpha is half the size of Gen Z, so it's a mathematical impossibility to recover unless Gen Alpha has six kids each.” — Tim Pool [33:22]
• Discussion about ‘behavioral sync’ and the rat utopia experiment, drawing analogies to why successful nations stop reproducing and collapse culturally.
• McInnes injects race and immigration arguments, decrying “cousin marriage” in immigrant groups and claiming demographic quality decline:
  • “When you take our best asset, not cousin breeding, and you import the worst part of the rest of the world, you have this poop soup.” — Gavin McInnes [38:16]
• Discussion pivots to Gen Z and Gen Alpha’s work and math skills, with anecdotes about workplace incapacity (e.g., kids unable to make change or put out a fire).

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4. Media, Censorship, and the Fall of Vice

• [73:48+] Pool and McInnes recount inside stories from Vice’s rise and catastrophic collapse.
  • Vice’s pivot from edgy punk journalism to woke/feminist technocracy attributed to outside pressure and internal scandal.
  • McInnes describes the original company culture as wild but fun, not predatory—a claim complicated by later lawsuits and settlements.
• Notable quote:
  • “I resent that whole culture, bro culture accusation because Vice was built on, like, the Clash. It was built on punk rock... what I've been told later is that Shane was regularly... sexually assaulting women under my nose.” — Gavin McInnes [76:24]

The Business of New Media

• McInnes and Pool describe the economics of digital media and podcasting in detail, including ad rates, community revenue, and the existential risks of tech censorship.
  • Pool reveals revenue breakdowns and the thin margins on producing independent media, even with multi-million dollar revenues.
  • “Tim Cast IRL can't exist without my morning show subsidizing it. Tim Cast IRL is too expensive to exist.” — Tim Pool [57:46]

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5. Anecdotes, Lifestyle, and Masculine Banter

• Throughout the episode, the tone alternates between serious commentary and raunchy, irreverent humor.
• McInnes relays stories from the NYC hipster days, the founding of Vice, and various sex and drug exploits in the 90s/00s.
• Debate over how many hours per day Pool should work, with McInnes advocating work-life balance for fatherhood (“I think your fans would be happy with two hours a day.” [50:03])
• Pool insists on his sense of mission: “There’s so much wrong with this country in this world right now... sometimes the ship is sinking and I’m bailing water...” [50:40]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

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Drug War & Policy

• “All drugs are bad. And even pure cocaine... that stuff's just as bad as fentanyl. So get it out of here. No way, Jose.” — Gavin McInnes [09:48]
• “Weed, cocaine, caffeine, fentanyl... It's a scale, right? I'm not going to sit here and tell people to buy pure caffeine and go do a bump.” — Tim Pool [10:50]
• On legalizing cocaine: “Legalization... looks great on paper... I love it. And then I saw, like, Colorado with legalization of pot. I'm driving down the 95 in New York and I smell it coming into my car.” — Gavin McInnes [14:10]

On Venezuela & U.S. Intervention

• “Regime change in Venezuela... You should encourage the Venezuelan people to rise up against their fascistic...” — Elad Eliyahu [28:13]
• “If we want to avoid full scale war with Venezuela... What if the US just... allocated through Congress, funds to a U.S. organization that operate under the guise of international aid, but was actually fomenting revolution in foreign countries?” — Tim Pool [28:26]

On Gen Z, Work Ethic, and Social Collapse

• “You guys did get dug into a hole, but you also have to be able to eat poop to get out of that hole.” — Gavin McInnes [63:57]
• “They said, hey, get off the grid, be sustainable... Farmland was gifted to the occupiers... How long do you think they lasted? Two weeks.” — Tim Pool [65:11]

On Vice, Media & Money

• “With Vice, I made $10 million... But I've said this before, I've explained it before and you know, some people get mad at me for saying it. If I didn't do Tim Cast IRL and literally only did my morning show, I'd probably make 5 million a year with zero staff and no overhead.” — Tim Pool [53:12]
• “He told me this story once. He's having dinner with this woman... she goes like this [holds out hand]. That means, put your hand in mine... He told me himself, ‘We ate our way to the top. He would bone all these sales girls.’” — Gavin McInnes [96:59]

On Censorship & Platform Dependence

• “It's a fact that all of my YouTube channels were removed from Google... And it was only a couple years ago when I was talking about on the show that it finally got lifted live... If I launch a new YouTube channel, I bet none of those restrictions will exist.” — Tim Pool [41:40]

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Timestamps for Notable Segments

| Timestamp | Segment/Topic | |------------|---------------| | 00:06 | Trump’s narco-terrorist strike and video release | | 09:10 | McInnes on drug hierarchy: “cocaine vs. fentanyl” | | 24:20 | Will Trump start a war with Venezuela? | | 27:14 | U.S. interests in Venezuela and regime change logic | | 33:22 | Birthrate crisis; Gen Alpha, Gen Z, work ethic decline | | 38:16 | Gavin’s take on “cousin marriage” & U.S. demographics | | 50:03 | Debate over Tim Pool’s work-life balance | | 57:46 | The economics of podcasts and media sustainability | | 73:48 | The inside story of Vice's rise and collapse | | 96:59 | McInnes reveals Vice’s early sales tactics | | 117:03 | The lost virtues of bar culture and founding fathers |

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Language & Tone

• Unfiltered, unapologetic, and often laced with off-color humor or risky analogies.
• Banter among the hosts and guests is frank, sometimes confrontational, and occasionally self-deprecating.
• The show’s independent, anti-mainstream spirit is constantly on display, as is the willingness to offend.

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Conclusion

This episode delivers a whirlwind tour through pressing headlines—the U.S. strike on narco-terrorists, looming conflict with Venezuela, generational dysfunction, and the inner machinery of modern media. Personal stories from Gavin McInnes about the wild days (and fall) of Vice add color, as do the panel’s raucous tangents on drugs, masculinity, and the dark ironies of U.S. policy. For longtime listeners, it’s a heady, provocative mix of commentary and gonzo storytelling.

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Transcript

[Tim Pool]

Trump administration has released a video of what they say is narco terrorists on about delivering drugs being blown up. 11 people were killed. There are now concerns that the US may get involved in a war with Venezuela. Maduro says that they're going to respond to the U.S. taking military action in the Caribbean. And Democrats are apoplectic. How dare Donald Trump kill narco terrorists. I'm not joking now to be fair. Okay, fine. I mean, when the government blows somebody up and then just says trust me, you know, we don't necessarily have to trust them. However, in this regard, when the US Government releases the video themselves, it's probably not something they're gonna get caught doing wrong. Usually that's a whistleblower or whatever. So it is funny to see that Trump has now gotten the Democrats to get behind trend Aragua and drug cartels. Oh boy. Well, we'll talk about that. We got a lot, a lot of other news. The Epstein stuff, of course. Victims held the press conference saying they were going to be releasing their own, their own a client list which will be interesting. And then a couple stories that I think are particularly interesting even though they're across the pond. In the uk, Graham Linehan, a comedian, gets off a plane and gets arrested in the uk. He's British, but for tweets he sent jokes while in the United States. So this is very interesting. And then probably the most interesting, Germany's AfD party. This is their populist right wing party. Seven of their politicians have died within days of their upcoming election and no one believes it's a coincidence. So we'll talk about that and a lot more before we get started. We got a great sponsor for you. We've got Crowd Health, my friends. Check out join crowd health dot com. You can get healthcare for under 100 bucks, my friends. Take agency over your own health and rid yourself of the bureaucracy of the healthcare system with Crowd Health's new Black Swan membership. It's the healthcare alternative for people who want autonomy over their care, their costs and their lifestyle. So you're ready for those rare but potentially devastating Black swan events in life. With crowd health, you stay in control without insurance and the networks dictating your care health insurance process are confusing and can leave you feeling taken advantage of. Crowd Health is doing things differently. You get health care for under 100 bucks. You get access to a team of health bill negotiators, low cost prescription and lab testing tools, as well as a database of low cost, high quality doctors vetted by Crowd health. And what if something major happens you pay the first 15k, then the crowd steps in to help fund the rest. It feels like the options we used to have before Obamacare messed everything up. And of course, you'll join the crowd, a group of members just like you want to help pay for each other's unexpected medical events. Black swan moments might be rare, but good health insurance alternatives shouldn't be. Get started today for as low as $80 per month for your first three months. Using code [e-mail] Crowd Health is not insurance. Opt out. Take your power back. This is how we win. Join CrowdHealth.com and of course, my friends, for those that want to stay awake, we've got cast brew dot com. Have you re upped your cast brew order? Maybe you're running low. Appalachian Nights, everybody's favorite, but maybe you're one of those individuals who gets a tummy ache from drinking coffee. Well, Ian's graphene dream is here to save you, and this is. It's just nuts. This dude sells so much coffee. You guys are putting Ian through college, and you know he needs it. His graphene dream is low acidity. So go to Caspre.com and pick that up. He sold 50 bags in a day. Like, I shouted this out yesterday. 50 bags already got. So this is nuts. Everybody is raving. They're saying it tastes delicious and the low acidity is easier on their stomach. So definitely check that out. But don't forget to also smash that, like, button. Share the show right now with everyone you know. And I do mean it. Right now. If you're watching this live, it's more important than ever to take the URL and then just copy and paste it and blast it off on whatever social media platform you use. Support the show. Join our Discord server. Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more, we have Gavin McGinnis.

[Gavin McInnes]

Hey, I'm number one.

[Tim Pool]

You are. You want to grab your microphone? And I'm number one.

[Gavin McInnes]

I'm happy to be here. I am number one. And yeah, let's.

[Tim Pool]

Well, who are you? What do you do?

[Gavin McInnes]

I have been so canceled that I'm the only person in the world not on Twitter. I started the Proud boys, Vice Media, invented hipsters, gentrified Williamsburg, and made three native Americans from scratch. And I. I'm left with censored tv, which is the only place I'm allowed.

[Tim Pool]

To exist, I have to say. You know, you are responsible for creating one of the most nefarious and notorious groups that we have known in the modern era. Bloods Hipsters.

[Gavin McInnes]

Oh, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And I'm sure you feel deeply wrecked.

[Gavin McInnes]

Your joke, by the way. I stepped on it.

[Tim Pool]

It is true, though. People don't know that you made hipsters. You went. Yeah, to Brooklyn and you put a flag in the ground.

[Gavin McInnes]

Well, New York has these decade long scenes. Like there was Jack Kerouac with the beatniks and there was the, the sort of raver scene in the 90s. There was the CBGB scene in the 80s. For some reason they choose round numbers and it's like 80 to 90. That was the club kids. 70, 80. That was the CBGB. Like art school kids that became punk. And we owned 2000 and 2010 and that was like army jackets and track bikes and MP3s. I liked it. It got sort of putrefied by metrosexuals. It branched out into sort of like fake bikers and metrosexuals. But yeah, it was a great little scene and I'm happy that it existed. Like the beatniks and then the raver.

[Tim Pool]

Kids and all that other early vice as well.

[Gavin McInnes]

Early vice. Early vice. Early, early vice. Dude is 1994. Voice of Montreal is early vice.

[Tim Pool]

Yes. I think for the millennials and for my generation, it was like 2010 was when everybody had a salt and pepper.

[Gavin McInnes]

Beard at that point.

[Tim Pool]

This is a long time ago. And I think you. Were you still there in 2010?

[Gavin McInnes]

No, yeah, yeah, no, I was 94 to 2008.

[Tim Pool]

Ah, interesting. Yeah, right on. Well, I definitely want to talk to you about it. It should be fun. We'll get into the news. We got a lot hanging out.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Good evening, everybody. I am Elad Eliyahu, the White House correspondent here at Tim Cast. I was going to say, Gavin, it's befitting that you started the hipster trend because you still do look like a fruity hipster a bit.

[Gavin McInnes]

Why fruit? Why'd you add fruity?

[Elad Eliyahu]

Because the tattoos.

[Gavin McInnes]

The tattoos are gay.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Those types of tattoos?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Not cool, Elad.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I think it's like counterculture to not have tattoos.

[Gavin McInnes]

So hold on. It's countercultural gay to have Fidel Castro and chunkai chef?

[Tim Pool]

We can't. We can't hear you.

[Gavin McInnes]

By a. A underwater jellyfish.

[Tim Pool]

As a jellyfish. As an octopus.

[Gavin McInnes]

A robotic jellyfish. That's gay. Why don't you grow enough balls to get at least one tattoo?

[Elad Eliyahu]

Yeah. And why don't you get a tiny.

[Gavin McInnes]

David on your wrist?

[Elad Eliyahu]

Too cliche.

[Gavin McInnes]

That's, that's, that's, that's all we ask.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I feel like I ooze Judaism. I don't need like a star to prove.

[Gavin McInnes]

Why don't you just get a mole a lot?

[Phil Labonte]

Just get it.

[Gavin McInnes]

Get right behind the A now.

[Tim Pool]

Hello, everybody.

[Phil Labonte]

My name is Phil Labonte. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal and all that remains. I'm an anti communist and a counter.

[Gavin McInnes]

That's probably gay too. I don't know. Probably gay metal.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Yes, definitely.

[Tim Pool]

All right, let's. Let's start with the first story. So y' all may have seen this video. The Independent reports beware how and why Trump attacked a Venezuelan drug cartel boat. The attack comes a day after the Venezuelan president accused the Trump admin of plotting a military invasion of his country. And the Trump Admin published this video of indeed a boat exploding. So Trump claimed 11 drug traffickers were killed in the strike. Look, I see a lot of liberals and they're angry saying Trump murdered people. They're saying he murdered civilians. And I'm like, wait, what? Okay, listen, I've been critical of the Middle East, Middle east intervention, the war in Ukraine, US Support for Israel, all of this funding we're spending overseas. The one time you can probably expect the government not to be lying about the strike is when they publish the video and tell you we did it. Typically when we see like, we've got the famous collateral murder video that was leaked where us Blew up a bunch of. A couple of journalists, a Reuters reporter in, I think it was in Iraq or Afghanistan 10, 15 years ago, that was leaked and that made the U. S look bad and they were upset about it. This is Trump saying, here's what we've confirmed and we did so certainly don't take their word for it. I'm not gonna sit here and be like, the US Government blowing people up, Fine, it must be trustworthy. But I'm gonna give them the benefit of the doubt in this regard that they're striking narco terrorists and traffickers and cartel members who rape, murder and steal. And I'm not going to sit here and cry and call Trump a murderer on this one. This is what, this is what I can't stand. You get these military actions in Eastern Europe or the Middle east and then these pro military industrial complex neolibs are just like, no, that's fine. Nah, we are it. They don't go after Biden for what happened in Afghanistan.

[Gavin McInnes]

If he was getting guys that were bringing fentanyl to the west, I don't even care where in the west, anywhere in North America, then thank God he did that. But I think we have to differentiate exactly what was on this boat. Cuz if it was coke with no fentanyl, well, yeah, I'm glad you. I'm glad you got those guys. We totally don't want cocaine in America. No way, Jose. Glad you got them. Anyway.

[Tim Pool]

It is gonna go though cocaine as well. Like all of that stuff that's trafficking. He's like, I regret my.

[Gavin McInnes]

Great. I love that cocaine is going down with the fentanyl because it's all bad. All drugs are bad. And even pure cocaine, where you can do a line and like have a meal and do a line and go to bed, that stuff's just as bad as fentanyl. So get it out of here. No way, Jose.

[Tim Pool]

He will, though.

[Gavin McInnes]

You could give me a bump right now. I'd be like, no, thanks. I'd probably grab it and run to the bathroom to throw it in the toilet.

[Tim Pool]

As you should.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Drugs are bad.

[Gavin McInnes]

You obviously don't have, you know, have a toilet. You do have a toilet. Yeah. Okay.

[Tim Pool]

So, yeah, Sam Cedar broke it, though.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah, he literally did.

[Tim Pool]

He did.

[Gavin McInnes]

No, but let's.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know why he told us that, but he did.

[Gavin McInnes]

The war on Cocaine is a great drug. It's like weed. It's 100 coffees without the diarrhea.

[Tim Pool]

I disagree. I think it's all bad.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah, I think cocaine and fentanyl are just as bad.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, I'm not going to sit here and say all drugs are the exact same thing, but drugs in general are not good for caffeine. United States. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, but it's a scale.

[Gavin McInnes]

Didn't we just sell caffeine like we.

[Tim Pool]

Did Two minutes coffee. But it's a scale, right. I'm not going to sit here and tell people to buy pure caffeine and go do a bump.

[Gavin McInnes]

Okay? Weed, cocaine, caffeine, fentanyl.

[Tim Pool]

Agree, agree. That's why we have the schedule.

[Gavin McInnes]

Heroin opioids, like they're. They are Russian roulette. They're way up here. Cocaine is h. You get a little chatty.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I think a big part of the issue too, is that it's usually cut with stuff and could kill you.

[Gavin McInnes]

Right.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Nowadays.

[Tim Pool]

But not just that. I could tell you stories of people whose lives have been completely destroyed by cocaine.

[Gavin McInnes]

But what if coffee was cut with fentanyl? Do we blow up coffee trucks?

[Tim Pool]

But we're not, we're not telling people to isolate caffeine and snort it.

[Gavin McInnes]

Okay? That doesn't matter how you in. How you ingest the drug.

[Tim Pool]

90 milligrams in a cup of coffee. And you know what? Yes. The caffeine addiction this country and the west has is really bad.

[Gavin McInnes]

You know what? This kind of like Epstein. I don't give a crap if. If guys are effing post pubescent girls. Jimmy Page was with the 14 year old.

[Tim Pool]

It's.

[Gavin McInnes]

It's not my cup of tea, but sexy and 17 stray cats. She was just 17, if you know what I mean. Like, if Epstein island is pubescent and post pubescent and same with P. Diddy. I don't care. I want to focus on Epps. Actual molestation of prepubescent children. That's where I want to, like, start lynching people. But, but, but is it similarly with drugs, cocaine, weed? No, I want to focus on fentanyl and opioids.

[Tim Pool]

But isn't it split? Isn't it a scale? It's like triage. Like it's all bad, but we see.

[Gavin McInnes]

More as Moses splitting the sea. Like 17 year olds having sex with rock stars. I'm falling asleep right now. 12 year olds having sex with rock stars. I'm wide awake, but grabbing my guns.

[Tim Pool]

I think. I think pot is bad.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah, I think alcohol is farting in a movie theater.

[Tim Pool]

But it's a scale. It's a scale.

[Gavin McInnes]

Correct.

[Tim Pool]

Like, I don't think alcohol and marijuana should be completely banned and shut down and isolated or whatever. Total prohibition. I think it's bad. Yeah, but there's a scale. Like, obviously, fentanyl, yes, cocaine should be legal.

[Gavin McInnes]

It's a perfectly good. It's really just coffee and booze combined. Fentanyl is a death sentence that's murdering our children. So if there was fentanyl in that boat, you get a thumbs up.

[Elad Eliyahu]

No, I'm going to draw a line in the sand.

[Tim Pool]

That boat.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I don't think cocaine's kosher.

[Tim Pool]

I think cocaine's bad.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Cocaine. Cocaine goes past the line. And I'm also ambivalent about the pot stuff. Where do you draw the line?

[Gavin McInnes]

What did you last do? Cocaine.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I would never do cocaine.

[Gavin McInnes]

Okay, so you're talking about, like, gay porn.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Do I need to do fentanyl to know that I'm against it? Like, do I need to have gay sex to know that I don't want to have gay sex? What's your argument here?

[Gavin McInnes]

My argument is you're talking about something you're not even remotely familiar with.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I think I understand the effects enough.

[Gavin McInnes]

What are the effects of cocaine? What if you did a line right now? What would happen?

[Elad Eliyahu]

It's a stimulant yeah, you just probably going to make. You need to go to the bathroom.

[Gavin McInnes]

In a Red bull. You just did a lot.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Did a red bull.

[Gavin McInnes]

You just did a red Bull line.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Suppress my appetite.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yes, correct. All the same symptoms.

[Elad Eliyahu]

It might harm my.

[Gavin McInnes]

I don't want to come defending cocaine. I'm just saying. No, that's going to be blowed up real good on a boat.

[Elad Eliyahu]

What are the effects of legalizing cocaine for people who are 18 and older or 21 and older?

[Gavin McInnes]

That's an interesting point because legalization, you know, on the book is a sort of a semi libertarian. I'm like, yes, that looks great on paper. I love it. And then I saw, like, Colorado with legalization of pot. I'm driving down the 95 in New York and I smell it coming into my car. So I'm. You. You got me. If you're talking about legalization, yes. But as far as, like a nebulous discussion of what's really bad for you, Cocaine is like.

[Tim Pool]

It's bad for society. It's. It's. It's a. I'll put it like this. There is a weight placed on you, depending on the scale of the drug you're taking. Fentanyl is a weight that puts you six feet under. Cocaine is a weight that drags you down 20% or something.

[Gavin McInnes]

Here's some bad news. If there was no cocaine, you would have no tower records. You'd have no Playboy magazine. You'd have no national lampoon, you'd have no Vice magazine. You would have no Studio 54. You'd have no disco, you'd have no def Leppard, you'd have no hair metal.

[Tim Pool]

Let me tell you right now, there's a bunch of disaffected Gen Z men who have found, like, religion and. And tradition. Great. Who are saying, wow, we never should have allowed those things in the first place.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah, okay.

[Tim Pool]

And, you know, they're saying, I drive down the street and I smell it coming through my window. I see the dudes strung out and. And pawning their goods to get more. And thinking, why did we ever allow any of it?

[Gavin McInnes]

But my point is, with this Moses splitting the sea thing, I want to isolate the real villains. Because when we isolate real villains like fentanyl and prepubescent sexual molestation, we're talking a language everyone can understand. When we're like, oh, my God, there was cocaine at that party, you guys. We lose the youth with the right wing movement. So let's not become school marms and start, like, celebrating the death of A cocaine boat that could have been running.

[Tim Pool]

Gen Z is going conservative.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, because they're sick of.

[Gavin McInnes]

But the reason they're going conservative is because we were being pretty liberal minded. The reason that we got the youth is because we weren't being little nitpickers about all the rules and not bitching about irrelevant stuff. We're not being Ben Shapiro's. The reason it's cool to be conservative is not because of Ben Shapiro. It's because of Tim and Gav.

[Tim Pool]

I maybe half disagree.

[Gavin McInnes]

Well, you're in it.

[Tim Pool]

I don't think that. I think Ben Shapiro is a huge. So when we meet young people, Gen Z people in their mid-20s, whatever they, they say, oh, in the late like 2000s, I was getting all the Ben Shapiro debate videos and they were watching Ben Shapiro.

[Gavin McInnes]

Ben Shapiro and Charlie Kirk are gateway drugs. But they, they come to us because we go, yeah, I've fucked, sorry, I've effed a ton of broads. I've done mountains of blow. And I don't like liberals. And I think, I think the problem with like the Pat Buchanan generation of paleo conservative nerds is they ostracize the youth by, you know, being these tie wearing, uptight guys who don't know the difference between fentanyl and cocaine and, and weed and opioids.

[Tim Pool]

I think, you know, there's a really interesting conversation in like pot being schedule one. Trump says he wants to remove that. I think a lot of people don't realize this, that caffeine and cocaine have near the exact same physiological response.

[Gavin McInnes]

I'm sure you methan Adderall. Look at the chemical comp position.

[Tim Pool]

Adderall is mad.

[Gavin McInnes]

It's one little satellite, little octagon.

[Phil Labonte]

Isn't it just about the, how fast it metabolizes in the body. Adderall is slower than me.

[Gavin McInnes]

We have, we have an entire generation on Adderall. Yeah. And I don't, I don't like that. I, I'll do speed once a year if I got, if I got to do a marathon. That's a very intense drug.

[Tim Pool]

You know what I see?

[Gavin McInnes]

That's like renting an rv.

[Tim Pool]

I see when I was younger I was, I was, I was much more liberal. Now I'm fairly moderate on the, you know, I'm a little libertarian. I don't know that prohibition. We tried it with, with, with beer works. But I think we society need to culturally shun and say no to all these drugs.

[Phil Labonte]

Kevin, is it worth.

[Gavin McInnes]

We need to recognize the, the, the dangers of them Like, I, I'm for the legalization of weed, of course, but I want young people to know it kills your economic libido. It makes you sneak sleep in till noon. You will not choose your career like Tim Pool never would have been Tim Pool. And if he was smoking weed all day, he'd think about what this place would look like in his head. But you never would have actualized it if you were high on weed. So recognize it's the dangers of it. But I don't want the government telling you not to, Right?

[Tim Pool]

No, exactly. It's gotta be a cultural phenomenon, right? And I think we're seeing a lot of young people that are leaning towards the, a similar position, but there's kind of a youth zeitgeist, I guess, which is, drugs are bad. We don't want to go near them. You know what I mean?

[Gavin McInnes]

It's gay.

[Tim Pool]

But you agree with it.

[Gavin McInnes]

Do cocaine, marijuana.

[Tim Pool]

Not do it.

[Gavin McInnes]

Do heroin once.

[Elad Eliyahu]

No, that's advice you'd give to your children.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah, Kevin, I, I, my kids aren't heroin right now. They're watching slapping.

[Tim Pool]

There was a, there was a viral thread on Reddit where a guy was saying what you were saying, and he was like, trying it one time. Wouldn't be bad. And then it's this big long thread where he dies.

[Gavin McInnes]

Well, yes, fentanyl is ruined heroin. Not that heroin was good before, but it's sort of like a threesome. Like, again, let me make something very clear here. Fentanyl has ruined all drugs. So everything I say about cocaine and heroin is pre fentanyl, but post fentanyl. Yes. Blow up the boats. But as far as, like pie in the sky hypotheticals go. Yeah, I think that, you know, you should try a threesome. You're not going to enjoy it, by the way.

[Tim Pool]

Conservatives are just like, this guy's terrible.

[Elad Eliyahu]

These dudes can't get laid anymore. And you want them to try threesome. Guys can't get, I mean, threesome is.

[Gavin McInnes]

Shooting, making sure everyone's okay. You're like, how are you guys doing over here? Do you have grapes?

[Elad Eliyahu]

What formation type threesome.

[Gavin McInnes]

Are you talking a guy and two chicks? But I've done a two guys and a girl. I want people go, is that gay? And I'm like, no, it's like digging a body, digging a hole for a body. And your shovels clink. You're just like, you've got bigger fish to fry. You're, you're taking care of Drea de Mato because she snitched so.

[Phil Labonte]

Because I'm. I think that you are. You may have already answered my question. If your, if that boat had, say there was some fentanyl, some cocaine, some marijuana.

[Tim Pool]

Right. You would.

[Phil Labonte]

You think that the boat should be blown up because it was bringing in fentanyl and oh, well, we lost some cocaine and marijuana. Okay, I'm. Because I just want to be clear on, on how bad you think it is.

[Gavin McInnes]

I have a zero tolerance policy as the king of the world for zero fentanyl.

[Tim Pool]

Where did you grow up?

[Gavin McInnes]

I was born in England. I came to Ottawa, Canada, when I was around five and then I grew up in Ontario, outside of Ottawa. I moved to Montreal when I was 18, which I consider a different country. Quebec is a different country. It's French speaking.

[Tim Pool]

Deponair.

[Gavin McInnes]

We have depeneurs. They don't like the English there. You're a second class citizen for sure.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah.

[Gavin McInnes]

And that. I moved to New York in the late 90s and I've been here ever since.

[Tim Pool]

Ah. I was curious. I do think that the view you have, obviously this is just a generalism, but it's based on where you grew up and how you grew up and.

[Gavin McInnes]

Sure. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Well, just the reason I ask is when I think about where I grew up, my reaction is, holy crap, cocaine's bed. The things, the things that I saw done for cocaine and to sell cocaine in Chicago, it's like, why would we tolerate that ever? And why would we encourage in any way?

[Gavin McInnes]

Tim, have you ever done this much.

[Tim Pool]

Like a phone's worth? Yeah, I've seen people kill each other or figuratively. I've not seen anyone, like, go do.

[Gavin McInnes]

A phone's worth of cocaine and call me back on the third day phone.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Dude, I'm sick of crackheads already. And I feel like this is conducive to producing more crackheads.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Am I tripping? Yeah, like there's too many crackheads in the country.

[Gavin McInnes]

Like, there's people, people and there's what we want for society and then there's just like dudes talking.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Do you think cocaine's addictive?

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah, but, like, people don't really die from it. You chat yourself.

[Tim Pool]

So what I, what I, what I see where I grew up is people going to prison and their lives destroyed and whatever, whatever potential they had as American citizens to build a business was wiped out by cocaine.

[Gavin McInnes]

Well, they went to prison because cocaine's illegal. I can't believe I'm Mr. Cocaine Defendant here.

[Tim Pool]

But yeah, I think it's bad.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Like Hollywood.

[Tim Pool]

I'm not talking. I'm not talking about a guy. I'm not talking about a guy with a little baggie. I'm talking about.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah, well, that's what I'm talking about.

[Tim Pool]

I'm talking about people who are like, I'm going to go get it. They grab a gun and then they go. And there's gang slinging.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah. And then they did that because it's illegal.

[Tim Pool]

So. So you're saying like Portugal method dispensaries.

[Gavin McInnes]

In Colombia, you'll bump into your mom and you'll be like, mom, I'm so tired. Have you got a bump? And you're.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Colombia sucks.

[Tim Pool]

I don't want to be like, well.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I don't, I don't want to be in Colombia.

[Gavin McInnes]

It sucks.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Like they have a bunch of narco.

[Gavin McInnes]

Gangs and it's genetically.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Don't they rob Americans who go there as tourists?

[Gavin McInnes]

Yes.

[Phil Labonte]

Okay, that happens all over the world.

[Tim Pool]

Let's keep talking about central. Let's jump to this next story. We've got this from the ap. Maduro says Venezuela is ready to respond to US Military presence in the Caribbean. And a top Biden era official is warning the US could stumble into disastrous intervention in Venezuela. The argument being that Maduro is not going to tolerate the US Military operations in the Caribbean and then the US Is going to stumble. I don't think it's stumbling. I think the US Intentionally will be like, time to go in, boys. But the concern now is, as Donald Trump keeps saying, you know, we don't want to be involved in these wars far away in the Middle East. He does keep talking about the cartels in Mexico as well as trend Aragua. So if there is the potential for escalation, it's closer to home. It's Venezuela. You guys think that Trump is going to get us, is going to intervene and get us involved in Venezuela?

[Phil Labonte]

I don't particularly think that there's a large chance, a significant chance that we're going to go into Venezuela. Actually, boots on the ground, I think strikes like this will continue. Look, at the end of the day, the cartels are out to make money and if all of their shipments or not all of the shipments. But if a significant portion of their shipments keep getting blown up, I imagine they're going to say, all right, it's not worth it to try and ship it into, into the US and we reinstitute colonization.

[Gavin McInnes]

Can we become colonialists again?

[Tim Pool]

I love, I love, I want, I.

[Gavin McInnes]

Feel like we still are. Greenland has tons of resources and the amount of oil that those losers have, like, they can't access any Saudi Arabia. Let's get in there. Let's invade Venezuela. I'm not joking.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Regime change in Venezuela.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, a lot of oil.

[Gavin McInnes]

How are you. How do you have so much oil? More than Canada, more than Mexico, more than Saudi Arabia. And you're loser central communist.

[Phil Labonte]

They kicked out all the companies that were actually.

[Elad Eliyahu]

They're communists.

[Gavin McInnes]

Proficient. Bye. Bye.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, that's the thing.

[Gavin McInnes]

Move.

[Tim Pool]

So invade.

[Gavin McInnes]

What did we do in Iran? We, we. We pushed out the, the, the. The Shaw. We. We got a bunch of losers in there. They accidentally had a revolution and we went, oops, I guess we shouldn't have meddled in there. Like, we're always meddling and not getting the money. You know what Ann Coulter said to me once? She goes, I hate that these, you know, these sheiks all over the Middle east, they have so much money and they don't know how to get the oil out of the ground. We did that. And then they get the money. We should have gone there and just said, I'm paraphrasing Ann right now. We should have just gone like, hi, you have this dirty black guck in your water supply and we'll be removing that now for $100 a month. And then, like, what do they do with their money? They drive on cars with two wheels on the side and they have a harem that they Skull f. There was a.

[Tim Pool]

Someone. Someone told me a funny story about how there's a small village in Saudi Arabia and when they found oil just like under part of the village within five years, everybody in the village was wearing thick gold chains and rings. But everything else stayed the same. Like they still lived in, you know, little adobe hut kind of things.

[Gavin McInnes]

I was talking to Chris about that island in Polynesia where the coral generates this intense carbon that you sprinkle on your crops. And everyone gets rich. And so everyone was a millionaire overnight. And they can't grow their own crops because their coral carbon crap is too intense. So they would just import like Popeyes. And so they all became this, like, turgid billionaires in Lamborghinis that they didn't know how to drive. Like, you can't, you can't help certain cultures that are just not as advanced as ours. You need to go through cultural Siberian winters to know how to spend your money. Sorry.

[Elad Eliyahu]

As far as this story goes, there's a few things. There's a few different things going on. So first of all, these cartels are terrorist organizations have been designated as such. And so all of these boats are Legitimate military targets, as far as I'm concerned. We've been having a military buildup outside of Venezuela, and there are a lot of reasons why regime change would make sense there. And there is a few different ways to geopolitically. Look at this. First of all, it would deal with the cartels. It would also help mitigate the immigration crisis that we're seeing from Venezuela and other South American countries. Also, us Getting the oil would be a huge deal. We have the correct oil refineries for Venezuela and oil, which is like thick and sour, so called thick and sour oil. So this could help mitigate Russia's benefits off of cheap oil right now that they're sending around the globe. So, like, we could help spike those prices down, drop those prices. If we were able to get that Venezuelan oil.

[Tim Pool]

Should the U.S. venezuela.

[Elad Eliyahu]

You should encourage the Venezuelan people to rise up against their fascistic.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, okay, I got an idea. I got an idea. Now, if we want to avoid full scale war with Venezuela. Right.

[Gavin McInnes]

Ooh, I'm scared.

[Tim Pool]

Well, but it's.

[Gavin McInnes]

But it's still war.

[Tim Pool]

But you don't. You don't. You don't go to 10 right away. You don't crank it all the way up real quick, Right? We want to. If we could avoid war and take them over, we'd be. It's better than going to war, right? We save money. Absolutely. So I got an idea. What if the US Just hear me out. Allocated through Congress, funds to a U.S. organization that operate under the guise of international aid, but was actually fomenting revolution in foreign countries. And then we call it something like, you know, American aid or U.S. u.S. Aid. U.S. aid. That works. Yeah. Trump should start that. Could you imagine if we had something like that?

[Gavin McInnes]

That's my attitude with. Every time the left plays dirty pool, I'm like, where's our dirty pool? Like, Putin has this thing, little green men, where he sends in guys in green uniforms to foment revolution. And I'm like, okay, the Wagner group.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, that's.

[Gavin McInnes]

I'm doing that. I want that in Venezuela. Trip to Venezuela, in Greenland.

[Tim Pool]

That's what USAID was.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah, well, everyone's playing dirty pool but us.

[Tim Pool]

But that. Well, the problem is. The problem is USAID was woke. And it was. It wasn't. It was not. It was not pushing American interests. It was convincing Third World. It was forcing Third World countries to adopt policies towards accepting LGBTQ activism and transgenderism. And the people like in Afghanistan were like, why is this on my wall? And then we're sitting in America being like, literally, what is the American interest in promoting LGBTQ activism in Afghanistan? Now, if you said, we want the oil from Venezuela, sure, I can understand that. We can have a debate about whether we should or shouldn't, but at least that would make sense mathematically.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah. It's like you're confiscating their pit bull, and they're like, oh, is you going to put my pit bull down? No, it's my pit bull now.

[Elad Eliyahu]

So this story has really gone underreported, and I think it's worthwhile to listen to a couple of the quotes coming out of the administration to show how serious they are about this. So a couple of quotes from Caroline Levitt. One is, President Trump has been very clear and consistent. He's prepared to use every element of American power to stop drugs from flooding into our country and to bring those responsible to justice. The Maduro regime is not the legitimate government of Venezuela. It is a narco terror cartel. Maduro, in the view of this administration, is not the legitimate president. He's a fugitive head of a cartel who has been indicted in the US for trafficking drugs into the country. Those are fighting words, in my estimation.

[Gavin McInnes]

Inbred loser. You have more oil than basically anyone ever. I think he's in the top three, four, five, maybe oil producers in the universe, and he's focusing on coke.

[Tim Pool]

Do you remember when the people of Venezuela were starving and so Maduro went on TV to give an address to the nation, and he didn't realize the cameras were on him the whole time? So he opened a drawer, pulled out an empanada, took a big bite, and then put it back, and everyone was like, what? What? He legit did that? Yeah, he's. He's a fat guy in a starving nation with a drawer with an empanada. It's like, buddy, could you not wait 10 minutes before you ate your empanada? That's Venezuela.

[Gavin McInnes]

Let them eat empanadas.

[Phil Labonte]

Look like what you were talking about, like, having, like, little green men. That's literally the job of the Green Berets. They get dropped into hostile territory, and they align with the local people that will fight. They try and form a militia, teach them how to fight. So we actually do have the capacity to do it still now, whether or not the.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Whether or not the United States will do it, I mean, I don't know.

[Elad Eliyahu]

There just needs to be a group of guys standing back and standing by, just ready in case any violence comes onto the street. Street. And we need people protecting, you know, patriots From Antifa and different guys on the street.

[Gavin McInnes]

It should be called the Unashamed Guy.

[Tim Pool]

Can I just. This is true. This is 2017. He was giving an address to the nation and he decided to eat an empanada while live. I guess he thought that the camera had, like, switched over to something. Bro, it's just like if you waited five minutes, you could have eaten your empanada. That's Venezuela.

[Gavin McInnes]

The world is brutally corrupt. The drugs are everywhere. The guns aren't going away. Like, this is my problem with the right. They see, they see Biden pull out these hockey bags of votes, right? And they're like, my God, we got to stop the hockey bags. I'm like, look, it's Mad Max. It's post apocalyptic. Where's our hockey bags? Like, everyone's cheating. We're cheating.

[Tim Pool]

You know, we've been talking about this quite a bit. I'm curious your thoughts. For the past several years, we've talked quite a bit about the political space. I'm pretty much, I don't even really care anymore because the population crisis is substantially more, let's call it heavier. It's gonna matter substantially more than whether or not there's an election. I'm curious your thoughts on where we end up in the next five years, considering. I'll put it this way. Gen Alpha is half the size of Gen Z, so it's a mathematical impossibility to recover unless Gen Alpha has six kids each.

[Gavin McInnes]

Well, there's two things going on at once and they're both antithetical. There's this insane influx of immigrants. And even before Biden, there was, I would say, 30 million illegals in America. He let in 12 million. That's Ellis Island's entirety over 80 years. So even if Trump deports 10,000 a day for the remaining of his term, we're still back to 30 million. So you have that problem and then you have the problem of, of course, locals not breeding, and they're not a good combo. I don't know, there's something about. God put this little microchip in every group. I used to say it was whites, but it's every group, when they get successful, they stop breeding. I don't know why that is. Like Mexicans, as they make money, more money, they have less kids. The Japanese have the same crisis.

[Tim Pool]

It's called behavioral sync. And every I, I, we believe all mammals do it.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah, I don't like that. Have more kids when you have more money. Have less kids when you have less money.

[Tim Pool]

For.

[Gavin McInnes]

So it's Like a design flaw in nature for some reason.

[Tim Pool]

You know about the, the rat utopia experiment, right?

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah, the, the.

[Tim Pool]

When the rats had infinite food and water, what did they do? They started doing. They did. They do exactly what humans are doing now. Humans are exhibiting behavioral sync. But my concern is, you know, in the short term, we talk about, you know, big mail in bags and votes and Trump is talking about we got to get rid of mail in voting. And then there's conversations about war. And I'm like, yo, in five years all your grocery stores are going to start shut. Going out of business. You're not going to be able to get certain fruits or vegetables out of season anymore. Your beef, that's going to be.

[Gavin McInnes]

Just click the borders and figure it out. I mean, there's so many different factors. Like a few people are talking about this. We created the west is contingent on a lot of things. Western culture was built on cold winters, for one. I got a pickle stuff where I'm going to start. I also think I have to be ultra benevolent. I got to help the retard. Or can I say that? Or we're all.

[Elad Eliyahu]

That's the second time already.

[Tim Pool]

So I imagine you've spent time in like Mediterranean cultures.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I can't do it.

[Gavin McInnes]

Or the heat.

[Tim Pool]

No. The laziness.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah, it's brutal.

[Tim Pool]

So the food, what is.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yes. What's your favorite? Costa Rican food? No, no, there's no such thing. Puerto Rican food. It's a hot banana with a little leaf on it and then they tie it with a string. What the hell am I eating? A boiled straw.

[Tim Pool]

Hold on, hold on. I got to stop you there, buddy. Okay. I can't speak for Puerto Rico. They have something similar, but I think it's Dominican mango. You ever have that?

[Gavin McInnes]

No.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, for breakfast you get boiled mashed plantains with pickled onions, fried salami and fried cheese, and it's like the best breakfast. Okay.

[Gavin McInnes]

Fried salami and cheeses. That's me.

[Tim Pool]

And that's what they eat.

[Gavin McInnes]

So you're. It's like the Indians. I love their little beaded shoes, but those beads are mine. Like half the time any culture has anything good. It's like my.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, let me say though, Spain, right? I went to southern. I went to southern Spain and they have the best ham I've ever had. Fantastic.

[Gavin McInnes]

Okay. Spain is the West.

[Tim Pool]

Sure. Except they're also siesta. They're a siesta culture.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah. That's weird.

[Tim Pool]

It's terrible.

[Gavin McInnes]

So it's a two hour nap in the middle of the day, and I.

[Tim Pool]

Have to work, so I'm on a schedule and I have obligations. And so I'm in southern Spain and it's like one o', clock. And I'm like, I better go grab lunch right now while I still have time. Everything's closed. And I'm like, when does it open? Like four? I was like, well, what am I supposed to do? I got to eat.

[Gavin McInnes]

You know what? You can afford to live like that when you live in a culture that has outlawed cousin marriage.

[Tim Pool]

Now. Have you been to Athens?

[Gavin McInnes]

We are importing. Hold on. We are importing cultures that don't outlaw cousin marriage.

[Tim Pool]

We don't outlaw cousin.

[Gavin McInnes]

They are inbred. Yeah, we do.

[Tim Pool]

Let, let me, let me pull up the exact number.

[Elad Eliyahu]

You know you're in West Virginia, right?

[Gavin McInnes]

Well, there's people that cheat, but generally the western world, over the past 20 years, 500 years, has been 20 US.

[Tim Pool]

States allow cousin marriage. And New York allows you to gay marry your cousin. Oh, boy.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Is that to say you can't gay marry your cousin? In the other states.

[Tim Pool]

There'S like, I think two or three states that allow gay marriage and cousin marriage.

[Gavin McInnes]

Okay, so you can't really be inbred. If you're gay, poo is going to be inbred.

[Tim Pool]

So, so, so here's how it works. There's a certain number of states that allow gay marriage, a certain number of states that allow cousin marriage, and a couple that have unregulated gay cousin marriage. Now, obviously, with Obergefell and the Supreme Court rulings, all states are required to recognize gay marriage now. So there's a lot more states, 20, that allow you to get.

[Gavin McInnes]

It's not our culture. It happens. It may be legal somewhere, but it's not normal. As far as our DNA, it's frowned upon. We're not made of cousin marriage. Most of the people we're importing now are made of cousin marriage.

[Tim Pool]

It is.

[Gavin McInnes]

And when you take our best asset, not cousin breeding, and you import the worst part of the rest of the world, you have this poop soup.

[Tim Pool]

Well, so let me, let me give the. The hard details. For people who aren't familiar. In the Middle east, it is extremely common to marry your cousin.

[Gavin McInnes]

It's in the Quran.

[Tim Pool]

It's a culturally normal thing. And we know scientifically that it results in an increased aggression and a decrease in IQ.

[Phil Labonte]

Chinks.

[Gavin McInnes]

This is why my Joe Rogan episode is banned, by the way, because you brought up. Said this. And it's, it's, it's very bad. To do once, it's not great to do twice. You breed your cousins 50 generations.

[Tim Pool]

Wait, wait, they banned your episode over this? Hey, look, here's a Wikipedia article. Cousin marriage in the Middle East.

[Gavin McInnes]

Both my Joe Rogan episodes are banned because I brought up this unbelievably terrible subject.

[Tim Pool]

Really?

[Elad Eliyahu]

You mentioned Pakistan in particular.

[Gavin McInnes]

I think they have Pakistan in Britain is.

[Tim Pool]

So. Let me. Let me.

[Gavin McInnes]

Nine different things on top of each other.

[Tim Pool]

Let me. Let me read this. Rates of cousin marriage in the Middle east have been found to vary from 29% in Egypt to 58% in Saudi Arabia.

[Gavin McInnes]

Don't pull that up, Jamie. We're going to get banned.

[Tim Pool]

But hold on, I'm just going to. I want to stress this is Wikipedia, right? If, if. If YouTube's got a problem with a Wikipedia article saying, this is a thing that we say happens up. Really? And they banned it?

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

That's wild. I actually thought this was a fairly common and mainstream understanding.

[Gavin McInnes]

What's great about being banned is no one knows you're banned. So people are like, you're on Joe Rogan and I haven't seen your tweets recently. And I'm like, my Joe Rogans are banned. My Twitter's banned. I'm banned.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Dude, how are you still banned? Everybody's unbanned. You're the only guy left. Laura Loomer, Alex Jones.

[Tim Pool]

And at a point, I want to.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Stress this, everybody's back.

[Gavin McInnes]

In a few minutes, I'm just much more influential than you guys.

[Tim Pool]

In a few minutes, we're going to talk about what I'm calling Floyd Gate. And so they're these string of hilarious racist jokes. And it's targeting white people, too. I don't believe these. You know, it's not a left or right thing. They get millions of views on Instagram. Instagram is just reveling in AI generated race jokes. And that's why it's pretty crazy.

[Gavin McInnes]

How the f do you ban them?

[Tim Pool]

Well, you just. They banned you. That's the point.

[Gavin McInnes]

I know, but an AI cartoon of George Floyd. So you'd have to set. Tell your algorithm, ban George Floyd's face. And then it's like a memorial for how great he is. And that gets banned. So they don't know what they.

[Tim Pool]

The double standard we saw on the big tech platforms in the 2010s, you had. You had liberals posting wood chippers saying they wanted to throw Christian children into it, and Twitter wouldn't ban them. And then someone says hashtag, learn to code, and gets banned. It's easy for them to enforce a double standard. So my point right now is it's crazy to hear that you are still banned on X when you go on Instagram. And there's. There, there was one video with 7 million views just mocking Indian people for not showering.

[Gavin McInnes]

Like, yeah, I saw that.

[Tim Pool]

There's tons of them. They're everywhere. And it's like it's 6.8 million views on this video and all the comments are laughing. And I'm like, the pendulum has swung really hard in the other direction, right? And. And I know there's still remnants of Woke and these battles are still happening, but Trump won. And that's why I'm saying you think by now maybe you don't. It is just. Here's what I think. I had a conversation with, with Google recently and we were discussing the algorithm.

[Gavin McInnes]

I believe, like AI or people at Google.

[Tim Pool]

I was actually talking to person at Google, a human being who works at Google. And I said, I believe that at the height of censorship, there were varying degrees of weights placed on different personalities. Some were outright banned, some were censored, some were delisted, you know, shadow banned, et cetera. It's a fact that all of my YouTube channels were removed from Google. And you'd go on Google and search for my channel, my name, the title of the video, and it would not come up. And it was only a couple years ago when I was talking about on the show that it finally got lifted live, in real time while we're on the show. It was kind of crazy. So I told this Google person, you know, I think, I think you have restrictions on my account that have been there. Legacy restrictions from the Biden, from, from the first Trump era, the censorship wave extending into the Biden era. And now that we're moving into the space where the expectation of the individual at Google is no, no, we're not doing that right now. You guys haven't gone into all the old channels that legacy channels that fought through this and removed those restrictions. So I guarantee you, if I launch a new YouTube channel, I bet none of those restrictions will exist. And I believe I'm already proving it. I launched a new YouTube channel. YouTube gave me the Im Poole channel. Everyone go subscribe to YouTube. Im Poole and I did a video the other day, commentary on a jubilee video with pbd. And you know what? You know where I can see the evidence? It's not proof yet, but it's evidence. The video had sustained viewership for two days on all of. On Timcast, IRL Tim Cast and Timcast News. The video will, when it goes public, gets a ton of views and then slowly drops off and disappears. After 24 hours, the video is completely gone. And it's been that way for a while. And it tells. Oh, it's because it's news. Oh, yeah. I do a video on a brand new channel, Tim Pool, and the views stay for two whole days. And I'm like, that's because YouTube strapped a bunch of censorship to a ton of channels. And the people who did have moved on. And now the code or whatever they injected onto our accounts. And this channel, for instance, Timcast, irl, it's still there. And the new employees who come in are like, I don't. You're talking about. So make on these shows, like, how much money.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah, how much money will you make on tonight's show?

[Tim Pool]

It's really hard to figure out the individual number for the show, but.

[Elad Eliyahu]

What's this cut.

[Tim Pool]

So you're. So.

[Gavin McInnes]

I don't.

[Tim Pool]

There's a bunch of different areas of revenue. Are you asking how much will YouTube pay me or how much will I make in.

[Gavin McInnes]

How much will YouTube pay you?

[Tim Pool]

Probably three grand.

[Gavin McInnes]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

$3,000 just off of YouTube after a.

[Gavin McInnes]

Couple of days and then you can monetize it. In other.

[Tim Pool]

So we had two sponsors today.

[Gavin McInnes]

Sponsors.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know the exact rate from those individual sponsors, but it can range from bucks. Five or ten.

[Gavin McInnes]

Five or ten grand?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Gavin McInnes]

Oh, okay. Wow.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. But we're in. We're in the off season right now, so rates are. Rates are low.

[Gavin McInnes]

Five sponsors, that's 10.

[Tim Pool]

Five's probably a little on the lower end, but maybe. Yeah, yeah. Then we have. So in indirect. Then we have the clips from the show. So then we have the audio ad revenue. So YouTube gives us, you know, like three grand. Then we might sell like between five and 10 in sponsorships, which we didn't. We only recently started doing. We didn't do this before. We rarely took sponsors then on the. Let me do some quick math on the audio side. It's hard because all of the audio.

[Gavin McInnes]

Oh, like a podcast.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Like Spotify and Apple.

[Gavin McInnes]

Right, right.

[Tim Pool]

So because that's all. All of our shows are lumped together like inverted world, pop culture, Tim Pool culture. Like, we've got like seven or eight different podcasts, I would estimate irl. Excuse me. So we've probably got, you know, let's say 20 grand. Or it's. It's way more than that.

[Gavin McInnes]

Can you do this more than that?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, because. But. But it's, it's. It's all these different avenues. I mean, we do, we do, we do, I think last.

[Gavin McInnes]

How many of these do you do a week? Five.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Monday through Friday.

[Gavin McInnes]

You probably work 50 weeks a year. Roughly.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, only because they make me.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Don't forget his other show too, Gavin.

[Tim Pool]

And I'll forget the another morning shows and the new show and this is too complicated.

[Gavin McInnes]

Okay. We like 4 million a year.

[Tim Pool]

15.

[Gavin McInnes]

You've done the math.

[Tim Pool]

But, but that's not IRL about. I. I IRL is probably 4.

[Gavin McInnes]

That's great, because I remember talking to you a long and. And someone was like, you're gonna get banned from YouTube. And you go, I don't give a shit. And I remember thinking, that's a lot of money to say you don't give a shit about it. Right.

[Tim Pool]

We try not to swear because people are, like, watching us with their kids in there. But. So we've got the Tim Pool morning show, which is, there's, there's. It breaks down into the culture war show. We put up as an audio podcast, which every day, Monday through Thursday is an interview I do with, with somebody, and then Fridays is the. Is the full debate. And we've done a few of these that have been like, audience shows. You were at one of them. So you know what? That.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah, that was fun.

[Tim Pool]

It was super cool. The morning show is me monologuing. So that's one podcast, the Culture Awards, second podcast, and then Tim Kessler. So I'm doing. I do three shows per day, and it is merciless, brutal.

[Gavin McInnes]

How many hours is that?

[Tim Pool]

I think. I think I do a total of about five and a half hours of content per day.

[Gavin McInnes]

Five and a half hours a day?

[Tim Pool]

No, I don't work five and a half hours a day.

[Phil Labonte]

Five and a half hours of content that gets released 10 hours a day, day 16.

[Gavin McInnes]

Okay, that's not, that's not. What's the word?

[Phil Labonte]

Light work?

[Gavin McInnes]

Plausible.

[Tim Pool]

No, it is. I'll tell you.

[Gavin McInnes]

I'm not saying you're lying. I'm so.

[Tim Pool]

I wake up is not the right word. I wake up at 7:30. You know, we've been doing this for.

[Gavin McInnes]

Sustainable. That's the word.

[Tim Pool]

I. So when I first started the YouTube channel, Tim Cast, I worked seven days a week, eight hours a day. Then in 2020, we launched Tim Cast IRL, which gave me two shows per day. So I worked seven days a week. But Saturday and Sunday was only one show. Monday, Friday was two shows. So I was working. Usually I'd work from like 7am until about 4pm and then I'd come back and work from 7 until 10. We added the after show, which puts us to 11 o' clock now. And then with the administrative stuff I have to do in between, I basically wake up at 7:30. Immediately I'm on my phone looking at notifications, looking at news. Give me about a half an hour to get ready for the day, and then I'm in.

[Gavin McInnes]

That's why you don't drink.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I don't drink because that would inhibit my ability to get my work done.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Or do any drugs. I believe straight up.

[Tim Pool]

Weakness. Weak.

[Elad Eliyahu]

He's a good role model. You want your kids around, Tim?

[Gavin McInnes]

You want to see your kids?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, sorry.

[Gavin McInnes]

You want to see your kids?

[Tim Pool]

Right. You know, and that's. And that. That has been a challenge that we've discussed in the. In the past year or so with I now have a daughter. It is increasingly problematic that I'm doing three shows plus the administrative work on other shows every single day. And now with the culture war and the boonie skates of it, Saturdays are being picked up and I think I just went to the ER a few weeks ago.

[Gavin McInnes]

Really?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. I think I'm probably gonna die. What the fuck?

[Gavin McInnes]

No. Once they start. Once they start walking. Dude, you want to be around, man.

[Tim Pool]

Do you want to be around for a few weeks?

[Elad Eliyahu]

The audience.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I went to the. Well, so basically what happened was, like, when we did that show, I was losing my voice and my. I was talking like this. I was sick and I kept taking ibuprofen to keep working because I'll be damned if I stop working. No one's gonna stop me. And then I went to the er.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah, you were sick for like three weeks.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I know, it was brutal. And if I had just taken, maybe.

[Gavin McInnes]

That was nature going, I want you to be with your baby.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I spent three weeks somewhat with the baby. I couldn't be sick near the baby, so I was in the other room. But the issue is I got sick and instead of just saying, I better take a week, I was like, I can't take time off. And so I was forced a couple days off and I was coughing and like, as soon as I was able to talk, I was like, advil, let's go, baby. Back to work. And then worked through the weekend as well with the Saturday show, and then the next week got sick again. And I was like, oh, here we go. Why am I still sick? Ibuprofen got sick again. And then three weeks of this. And then it was after the final show we did at the Comedy Loft. Monday, I was like, I'm good. Tuesday, I'm feeling sick again. And then that night, Tuesday, my throat was swelling up by three in the morning. I was. I was, like, lying in bed, drenched in sweat. My throat was so swollen, I thought I was gonna die. Went to the er. They gave me steroids to reduce the swelling because my throat was so swollen.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah, we gotta fix this business plan. Like, 15 million a year. Once you accrue, like, a hundred million, the interest alone is 5 million.

[Tim Pool]

That's not what matters.

[Gavin McInnes]

I understand, but, like, let's. Let's. I think your fans would be happy with two hours a day.

[Tim Pool]

I think the. I think work must be done. And if I'm not gonna do it, who is?

[Gavin McInnes]

You get it in two hours.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I think the show sucked without him. We really needed him.

[Gavin McInnes]

The show is so bad and don't have a show. I missed him two hours a day. Two hours a day?

[Elad Eliyahu]

Yeah. We need our Tim. Why are you trying to get us off our Tim?

[Gavin McInnes]

I'm trying to get you guys fired. That's what I do.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Yeah, I'm trying to get the opposite going, bro.

[Tim Pool]

There's so much wrong with this country in this world right now, and you.

[Gavin McInnes]

Can squeeze it in two hours a day.

[Tim Pool]

No. You know what I feel like? I feel like sometimes the ship is sinking and I'm bailing water as hard as. As fast as I can, but the ship is going to sink either way, so it's kind of scary. But you can't stop bailing.

[Elad Eliyahu]

You know, you're the captain. You have to sink with the ship.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I'm talking in the culture. I wouldn't consider myself to be the captain. I'm just someone who's like, if I don't.

[Gavin McInnes]

Captain Alex Jones.

[Tim Pool]

No, no. I mean, you could arguably say Trump, I guess, but I don't know if that makes sense either, because the culture war is bigger than just the government. It is what makes civil. Like, civilization, for it to exist requires strong men who are willing to work and. And do whatever it takes, you know?

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah. I think two hours shows a day is.

[Elad Eliyahu]

How much do you make at Censored TV?

[Gavin McInnes]

I make about 600 grand a year.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Nice. Off of Censored TV.

[Gavin McInnes]

With Vice, I made $10 million. With Rooster, the ad agency, I made $4 million. So I've got about $30 million in the bank.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Oh, not bad. And you get. You don't got to do it returns on that.

[Gavin McInnes]

I get well, interest is 5% a year, so I can't spend my interest and I'm a cheap asshole. I have a pool from temu.

[Tim Pool]

Why, why not though? Like, I'm talking to my wife and we're gonna get those inflatable Walmart pools. You ever see those? Yeah, you inflate the ring and then put the hose in it. It just floats up.

[Gavin McInnes]

I had a place upstate and we bought a. I spent 50 grand on a pool, which upstate is insane because no one has any money. And I, it was a massive pool with a big deep end. And I, I bought the house. It was. I was David Cross's neighbor. We bought it together. We were good friends back when I was okay with the hipsters. And I got the house, I built the house myself. I designed it. 400 grand, which doesn't sound like a lot, but it is in upstate New York. And then I spent another 50 grand on a pool. I sold the place for 400 grand. No one wanted the pool. Pools don't increase your value. So in this house, I got like an eighteen hundred dollar pool on Amazon that could be torn out tomorrow. And like the deck was 150 grand. The pool was, was eighteen hundred dollars.

[Tim Pool]

Wow. My, my, my view on everything. So, so let me, let me provide some context to the numbers and everything for the people that are listening. I don't personally put $50 million in my pocket every year. Almost all of the money, the overall majority goes towards paying staff, building, infrastructure, working on.

[Gavin McInnes]

Sorry, when I said I make that, I meant I censored. TV grosses that right.

[Tim Pool]

So after all the costs, I would say I do well. But I've said this before, I've explained it before and you know, some people get mad at me for saying it. If I didn't do Tim Cast IRL and literally only did my morning show, I'd probably make 5 million a year with zero staff and no over.

[Gavin McInnes]

Great. Sold. Do it.

[Tim Pool]

Why?

[Gavin McInnes]

More time with your family.

[Tim Pool]

Sure. And then the world burns down.

[Gavin McInnes]

Come on.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I'm glad he has this ambition and love for the game. Why are you trying to put us out of business?

[Gavin McInnes]

So you'll still don't fire these guys. But that's like, that's a lot of Tim. Two hours a day.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. You know, one argument is that I've actually produced too much content and it's diluting.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah. And I've had like, I'm not in your league obviously, but I've had guys say like, stop doing your shows three hours long. I, I'm Way behind. I'm like two weeks behind. So I've. I've. I've gone down to like an hour 20 a day. Because people usually commute to work for 40 minutes and they commute back 40 minutes. And then we stay caught up with each other.

[Tim Pool]

So the. There, there's a couple different ways to look at it. One is if I put out 50, I think. I think we probably do. Let me do some quick math. We do 4, 5, 11, I think. I think it's like 11 individual segments each day, plus a one hour morning show and a three hour nightly show. And so what happens is one individual can only watch about 40 minutes per day of content.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And so if you. If I were to stop doing everything and do one one hour show, that one hour show would get 2 or 3 million views. Because what's happening is while we're. It's a diminishing return, while we're getting. I think we're getting like 2.5 to 3 million per day. I think it's actually. I think it's like. It's like three and a half to four actually, because of the audio stuff too. I'm not. I'm not including, but it's spread out over all these different avenues. So an individual person watches a lot of Tim Pool content, but it's a ton of different videos. So each individual video is getting 50 to 100k.

[Gavin McInnes]

They'd find their way to you.

[Tim Pool]

Well, the idea is if we got rid of it all and did two videos, everybody would watch that one video and it would get a million views.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

I'd still make the same amount of money. Yeah.

[Gavin McInnes]

And you'd have all that time with your daughter. Again, you guys are glaring at me, all right? I'm not gonna hire them.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, you make, you make a great point, Gavin. I'm gonna. I'm gonna pay you guys out. I got a couple hundred bucks right here. And Phil, the show is all yours.

[Elad Eliyahu]

All right, back to Phil and Cash.

[Phil Labonte]

But the point, like a big part of the reason. A big part of the reason. Well, he's gone now.

[Elad Eliyahu]

And you're a rock star, sir. You have some money in the bank too.

[Tim Pool]

There's a dude in the chat yelling at me often already, like, this is the. This is like the weirdest, craziest thing about working in this industry, you know? You know, look, I could be like these other personalities and just never tell anybody anything about what's going on behind the scenes or how the machine operates. People like how much money you make. Like, wouldn't you like to know? I'll never say. And it's like, because people get mad at you if you tell them the truth. Yeah.

[Elad Eliyahu]

These numbers are standard for the industry too.

[Tim Pool]

No, I think I'm better at than most people.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Like the Ben Shapiro's, the Michael Knowles.

[Phil Labonte]

The, the other YouTubers talking about the very, very top there.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Yeah.

[Gavin McInnes]

Because.

[Phil Labonte]

Because like, Tim is in the, in the class of like the people at Daily Wire. But then there's a. There's like an infinite number of people that are way, way. That don't even, that you don't even register. You don't even think about it.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Phil Labonte]

When people are thinking of bands, they think of like, you know, the big, big, big bands. But like, the bands that are beneath them are almost infinite. One of the point I wanted to make is part of the reason why he does this show, that is, this show is, is one that actually attracts, that consistently attracts people that give him access to like, he interviewed the President. He wouldn't have had the opportunity to interview the President or likely wouldn't have had the opportunity if it wasn't irl.

[Gavin McInnes]

You think so?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Before we launched irl, my, my. The one podcast I had was called the Tim Pool Morning show, the Temple Daily show, which still exists, but it was the 34th biggest podcast in the world on all platforms. That was like the peak height and it was, you know, several episodes, sometimes would be in the top 10 or whatever. When we launched IRL, it split the audience, which reduces both podcasts from the top rankings. So because if, because if you're getting a couple hundred thousand on each show, if you do one show, you get 500.

[Gavin McInnes]

YouTube got super woke again and was like dead to us. You got Rumble.

[Tim Pool]

And that we make. We. The audio podcast makes a lot of money too.

[Gavin McInnes]

So you don't need YouTube.

[Tim Pool]

Nah. Yeah.

[Elad Eliyahu]

This is a huge psyop, Gavin.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. So let me, let me, let me, let me say this. Tim Cast IRL can't exist without my morning show subsidizing it. Tim Cast IRL is too expensive to exist.

[Gavin McInnes]

And morning is on your Rumble.

[Tim Pool]

So I do on, on YouTube. In the morning, I'll put up four segments on YouTube.com timcast news. And then at noon on Rumble, I do a full hour, which the first half an hour is the story of the day followed by an interview. Right.

[Gavin McInnes]

But my question was, what if YouTube was like, F him, he's dead to us.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. If I just, I just put the.

[Gavin McInnes]

Audio version up, that wouldn't really affect Your income. It would. But not devastating.

[Tim Pool]

No, I mean it would be, but like if YouTube banned us outright across the board, all channels, Tim Castro wouldn't exist anymore. It's not sustainable. Everybody would lose their jobs. I would host a morning show podcast and I'd be Gavin.

[Elad Eliyahu]

That's right before I worked here. Gavin. Gavin tried to hire me.

[Tim Pool]

So actually I'll put it like this. The offer, the offers that I've had for bots because we're independently like as an independent company, from the ground up, from its get go. I'd imagine if I got banned across the board on all platforms, like they just said, your channels are gone. You don't make money. If assuming I wasn't Persona non grata, I'd end up at one of these networks.

[Gavin McInnes]

Wait a minute, Fox News. I've sorry to bore the viewers with. With. This is the thing about men. I mean.

[Tim Pool]

Well, let me stress it's a very slow news day.

[Gavin McInnes]

Like this might be the women. When women talk to each other, I've noticed they're like, oh my God, I want to go home and just like have a bath and put on my sweatpants and Netflix and chill. And when men talk, they're like, so what do you do? You sanitation. So wouldn't it make sense to. To pick up the stuff early in the day like you. You skip the heat and then you could do like maybe a second run later or something. So I'm sorry to bore everyone at home, but I just love everyone else's job. What about timpool.com and everyone pays five bucks a month.

[Tim Pool]

We do that.

[Gavin McInnes]

Okay. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

We have a discord community. And so a good portion of the revenue we generate is from our community members. And so that's why if you went.

[Gavin McInnes]

100% into that, then no one could get you anywhere else.

[Tim Pool]

You'd obviously that's why we did it.

[Gavin McInnes]

Thousands, maybe millions of people. But still, if so.

[Tim Pool]

So here's the thing. YouTube is a big driver of. Of new users. The it's hard to grow on the audio podcast side. Word of mouth is how podcasts get attention. That's just really it. And with the rapid expansion in the market of more and more people easily making podcasts, everybody's trying to do it. It's saturating. And everybody's viewership is going down. It's getting harder and harder.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

With AI content, this is happening as well. So what? What? So let's say this. Tomorrow YouTube says all your YouTube channels are gone. We would probably still exist for two years because we have a community, but the community has a standard attrition rate. And without functional marketing to build that community.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah, that's where I'm at.

[Tim Pool]

You. You start slowly going down.

[Gavin McInnes]

I. I am. I'm dying like bone cancer because I can't advertise. I. I tried advertising on Twitter, and they're like, I know who you are.

[Tim Pool]

Fuck. You buy billboards. They're cheap and they work.

[Gavin McInnes]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

We've got. We've got 100 billboards across the US and it is crazy. So we. We did a few in Times Square a couple years ago. We actually got the whole north tower on New Year's. It was amazing. And we got. I bought a billboard above ABC News because I had worked for ABC News, and I thought it would be the greatest. Like, look at me now. Because these people are. That they're woke. They're lunatics. They're. They're. They're liars.

[Gavin McInnes]

An ABC News tower.

[Tim Pool]

The. The billboard that we put above ABC News in times square for one month was $30,000, and it was a crazy.

[Gavin McInnes]

24 hours a day.

[Tim Pool]

It's a vinyl physical billboard that was there 247 for one month. And they gave me an extension for half off because nobody was buying it, which is crazy. And it's. It's 45ft wide. And so they gave it to us. We have it in a big box, and I'm like, I don't know. It's. It's like, it wouldn't fit my.

[Gavin McInnes]

Out on the lawn.

[Tim Pool]

So there. You know, there's. There's options like that. But. So here's. Here's what I say to people. Like, what? The reason why I say I'm always like, I don't. I don't do it as often, but, like, hey, join the Tim Cast Discord is because Tim Cast IRL requires travel and accommodation for our guests. We don't do the over. We don't do digital, the zoom calls because they don't work the same. You don't get the Gavin swinging the mic and.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah, you can't see the eyes.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Or the guy smacking the microphone, screaming, I'm not that guy. Things like that. So we want to invite people out. We built the building from scratch, which I don't think is fair to include in our hard costs, but staffing infrastructure, server racks, like, there's a lot that goes into it. And even then, it's a struggle to keep all the plates spinning.

[Gavin McInnes]

Here's a controversial thing, and I'm of two minds about this, but Gen Z complains about no opportunities and how boomers could buy a house for 12 grand and they have to work their asses off and they have student debt. And I totally agree with that. But on the other hand, and I'm like, I grew up middle class, but I did eat out of the garbage. And with vice, like we were piling in vice newsprints into a rented minivan till the axles were scraping. My dad was and I were driving to like Guelph, Ontario and unloading these things at 4 in the morning, you know, for months. For months, for years. So. And I was a tree planter and a bike messenger. And I'm not bragging about what I went through, but part of me is like, you guys did get fucked. Gen Z, you did, you did get dug into a hole, but you also have to be able to eat poop to get out of that hole. Like that. You saw that viral jubilee video with the guy with the Viking haircut and Patrick, what's his name? Bet David was like, I'll give you a job, right? No. Right? No. And the guy was like, well, I'll research your company. It's like, dude, if you're broke, lay bricks like do. And we're clean out porta potties until you can get some money in the bank. So I think the curse of Gen Z is on the one hand they're correct that they're totally settled with insane debt and have no chance of making a place like this. But on the other hand, I don't think they have the work ethic to build a place like this.

[Tim Pool]

Generally speaking. Yeah, like we have Gen Z people here who do have the work ethic, but it's, it's, you know, it's. Nothing's absolute.

[Gavin McInnes]

Like, remember Occupy Wall Street? I wanted to get one of those guys and be like, all right, you're right. These pigs, they're making all this money. Let's, let's live with them in Montauk in their giant homes because they're so rich. You got to get up at 3am to get down to Wall street to get the China markets.

[Tim Pool]

Can I tell you a story?

[Gavin McInnes]

And then you, by the way, let me finish. You gotta go out for lunch, drink bourbon and wine and dine your clients. Then you gotta go back to work. Then you gotta schmooze your clients. It's at dinner like it's a 15 hour day.

[Tim Pool]

Let me tell you, okay, I can buy Wall Street. So farmland was gifted to the occupiers. Many people don't Know this. And you know, I was friends with a lot of these people. So they said, hey, get off the grid, be sustainable. Don't contribute to the pollution and the climate change and the rat race. Get away from that. Don't you know that peasants got half the year off? Why don't you come take the farmland and live the way humans are supposed to live. How long do you think they lasted?

[Gavin McInnes]

I think I know this story. I believe it was like three months, two weeks. Two weeks.

[Tim Pool]

And this is a friend of mine and I saw her after she got back and then I was like, oh, you're back. And she was like, yeah, you know, it wasn't really for me. And I said why not? She's like, dude, I had to wake up at 6am and I went to bed at midnight. It was crazy. You had to work non stop all day every single day with no days off.

[Gavin McInnes]

And I was like, yeah, that's communism by the way.

[Tim Pool]

It is, but it's also just how humans have lived for hundreds of thousands, tens of thousands of years. But no, they much prefer to be living off of welfare and trust funds.

[Gavin McInnes]

And that's like the new episode of White Lotus. Piper, what's her name, she's this rich girl, she wants to become a Buddhist and she tries it out for like one night and she's like, it's hot, the food sucks. And that who is going, that's who's going to elect Zoran Mamdani is these rich girls that they have a justified gripe, by the way, I'm not lying about their gripe. They are right that things are unaffordable. But when it comes time to fucking fix the problem, it sucks.

[Tim Pool]

So I think with the cultural crisis and the fertility crisis, by cultural crisis I mean Gen Z having a less than average work ethic. And again, I'm not ragging on all Gen Z. There's a ton of Gen Z with tremendous work ethic. A lot of them are becoming more religious, a lot of more conservative. But as a generation, millennials and then slightly more Gen Z miserable worth. Like I actually think millennials may be worse than Gen Z. They're awful.

[Gavin McInnes]

You know what you should do? Sorry to interrupt. You got a Mr. Beast this problem and you get someone to wear a beanie and a black T shirt. Someone who's like fuck, fuck Tim Pool. He's making all this money. What the fuck? He doesn't deserve. Sorry for that F Timpool. And then you sit like you have to sit next to him to make it worth it or people are going to go, you just went on vacation and then you have that guy do your exact shifts and go through the news, the marriage effect, the Atlantic and for like two weeks and watch him and be like, dude, wake up, it's 7am we got a rock. Let's go through the news stories and watch him just crumble, fall apart. Just.

[Tim Pool]

Did you watch the PBD versus the anti capitalist debate that.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And they're like, I shouldn't have to do any work, give me food.

[Gavin McInnes]

Let, let me research your company. He says, yeah, he tried to give.

[Phil Labonte]

Them all sorts of legs up. He tried every single person. They're like, no, I don't want to.

[Tim Pool]

Well, so this is what I'm saying about the cultural crisis and the population crisis we simultaneously have with Gen Alpha. The oldest being 15. They're going to be coming in the next couple of years as the low skill labor. Like literally next year, 16 year olds, 18 year olds should be entering university and getting entry level jobs. They won't be. Not only are there half of them, but their generation is fried from the, the iPad, Elsa gate psychotic garbage that was being funneled to their mouths when they're babies.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

You combine that with Gen Z's skill gap and I'm going to tell you this right now. I mean, with Gen Alpha, you had the COVID stuff where they weren't seeing faces, they weren't learning how to read. They can't read. Now teachers are talking about they can't do math and they can't read. With Gen Z. Have y' all seen the video of the fire at the Dunkin Donuts?

[Gavin McInnes]

No.

[Tim Pool]

Dunkin' Donuts, the toaster goes on fire and this.

[Gavin McInnes]

Oh yeah, I did see that.

[Tim Pool]

She takes the back of a plastic broom and wiggles it over the fire and you're just like, whoa, whoa. What is happening?

[Gavin McInnes]

Crisis.

[Phil Labonte]

I saw a video tonight or I.

[Gavin McInnes]

Saw a video today of a dude.

[Phil Labonte]

That gave the cash register. He gave him a 50 bill and he's like, I just want to break this. He gave him a 20, a 10 and two fives. And he's like, that's wrong. Yeah, he's like, you know that's wrong.

[Gavin McInnes]

20 and 10 and 25 is.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, but, but he's like, no, that's not, that's not. He's like, you owe me more money. And the guy couldn't count it together. It's like, how is it that you wouldn't be able to sit there and just.

[Gavin McInnes]

So it's like two Problems at once. It's, it's this influx of cousin marrying incompetence and then it's also our own incompetence.

[Tim Pool]

Our culture did this. So what happens when you're, when you're saying, you know, you get out this work ethic. What am I supposed to do when I need this? This is a big problem that we are facing as a company. There's a natural cycle of every company that has ever existed. Okay? Somebody who gets a job at your company when they're 20 has different needs than when they're 30. So you hire a 20 year old and he's doing computer basic work and you're paying him, you know, 40 a year or whatever and he's like, wow, this is, I'm making so much money and I'm talking about years ago. And then 10 years goes by and they get their standard inflationary raise, maybe they get a promotion. Now they're like, look, I'm getting married, I got to buy a house, this isn't enough money for me anymore. And I have tons of experience, I need, I need a raise. And you say, okay, well here's the thing. I need someone to run the computers. You need a better job. There's two things we can do. You can go to a company and say, I have 10 years of experience doing these computer things. I'm at a higher level now. Hire me to do this and I'll hire a new young person to come in and take your computer job because you're beyond it now, right? Or I can advance you and give you promotion to the next level of the company. If the company doesn't expand and I don't need that next level, that person needs to go work at a different company. That's just a normal thing.

[Gavin McInnes]

I say, bro, sound like you're speaking from personal experience.

[Tim Pool]

This is normal for all businesses everywhere, all the time.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

I hire a 16, a 16 year old to sweep the floors. By the time he's 18, he's plugging things in, he's setting up TVs. By the time he's 18, he's the full facilities manager. And by the time he's 20, and then he's saying, look, I'm going to get married in a couple of years, I need to buy a house. And I'll be like, you need to go apply somewhere where they have the growth opportunity.

[Gavin McInnes]

I had that problem with my, my previous producer, Ryan. Great guy, but he kept breeding and I was like, okay, this job is if you really whittled it down you could get down to 20 hours a week. But he was up to like 40. And I'm like, that's not my problem. But then a great guy, I'm not disparaging him, but he kept having kids and kept, you know, needing a bigger place, which he did. He's with Sam Hyde now. He's doing great. So God blesses cotton. So socks. But these.

[Tim Pool]

The but you need to bring in.

[Gavin McInnes]

A lot of zoomers will go like I need this much more money. I got this. These many kids, I need a bigger house. And you're like, yeah, but that's not what the job dictates. I'm not your dad.

[Tim Pool]

But so this is my recommendation. Okay, You've been here for X amount of years. Start looking at other companies that have a job at the next level that pay more.

[Gavin McInnes]

Also you are what you're worth. Right?

[Tim Pool]

But here's the thing. I mean that's what you need to do. And then I'll hire someone to do sweeping the floors. Right. The problem is there is no next generation to sweep the floors. And of the people we do have, they're incompetent. So we are facing a managerial collapse. Like the.

[Gavin McInnes]

The here at Tim Cass right now. Or you're being hypothetical.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, definitely here. I mean it is miserable. We just. I just brought my buddy here from Chicago. He just started with us and he's going to be doing management and he's like C suite level guy. He's like a very capable guy and so he's going to be helping us out. But we've had management problems since the get go and I know this and that's my lack of ability. I don't have the ability.

[Gavin McInnes]

No, it's not. Tim, you're a creative guy so you need a comp. They pronounce it comptroller but it's pronounced controller. You need like a controller, an office manager. That's not your job.

[Tim Pool]

Well, so the issue is I do it all, I do everything good. And we're at the point now where it's like as far as a mom and pop media shop can go. So either we and I've talked about this. You know, a year ago we go to venture capital and we say we need investment not because we're broke, we need investment because we need corporate level management to come and straighten things out and fix.

[Gavin McInnes]

But you got to be careful because look what happened with vice. I know, but they need.

[Tim Pool]

And that's why we don't do it.

[Gavin McInnes]

Or do you ever see that Tower Records doc Tower Records built on cocaine, by the way. This too shall pass. Everyone at Tower Records used to build shelves and put up for records and then they built CD shelves and everything. And their, their. Their head of their accounting or whatever used to like sell, you know, replacement CDs. Then one day they decided, you know what, we're so big now. And they survived MP3s, they survived disco. They were a rock company. They could not survive hiring CEOs like the A. And a chick that took over Vice. Oh yeah, it destroyed them.

[Tim Pool]

Do you. Are we allowed to talk about Vice? Yeah, so I can tell you what I mean. I was only there for about just over a year. But of course, you know, when I got hired, it was largely Shane Soroush and Eddie. It was basically like Eddie directly. And then Shane was a bit passive. But I basically would like talk to Shane about stuff periodically. A lot of people there were like, how do you talk to Shane? You know, it's like he's walking down. I'm like, bro, you're talking about like 100 people working. He's right there, go talk to him. So friends of mine who are working executive level and I don't want to get anybody in trouble, said that what happened was there had been a string of individuals who had accused Shane and others of sexual harassment or assault or something and that they had settled. This story came out, I think in the New York Times talking about the settlements and how these women were under NDA and they were like, release them from their NDAs and stuff like this. When. When Vice took this big investment, starting with Fox, then of course A E Hearst, which is Viacom, Viacom, et cetera. What was it? Wpp, I believe. Wire and plastic products or whatever the company is called.

[Gavin McInnes]

I don't know. That must have been after my time maybe.

[Tim Pool]

So what ends up. This is what I was told that with these stories about the. The bro club, the patriarchy and the sexual harassments, assault, etc. Vice was going to get hurt. And the people who invested these big companies didn't want to see their investments get knocked down. So what happened is the investors, Disney basically went to Vice and said, you will be a feminist brand and you will embrace the left and what they're saying, otherwise we're going to lose all our money. Because you guys are looked at as right winger, you know, bro, patriarchy, frat boys. And they went, sure, whatever you say. Brought in a female CEO, shifted the narrative of the company from edgy punk rock into feminism. With. There was a really great. There's a really great example. So I was talking to one of the producers, advice about. There's an article and it said, this horrifying app will show you any woman topless. And what the app did was you took a picture of a woman and then it would. It would automatically generate. And this is. This is eight years ago.

[Gavin McInnes]

What?

[Tim Pool]

Like, it would remove her shirt and then put a different image of a topless woman. And I was talking to this producer and I said, you know where the company went wrong? Do you know what the headline of that article would have been in 2008? This amazing app will show you any woman topless. And then you guys decided to be high school hall monitors angry about everything. And people stopped reading and stopped watching.

[Gavin McInnes]

Young people. Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

They're like, stop telling me what to do and stop yelling at me.

[Gavin McInnes]

I. I resent that whole culture, bro culture accusation because Vice was built on, like, the Clash. It was built on punk rock. And if you talk to any girl who worked there in the 90s or early aughts, they'll say it was the funnest place ever. Like, we would go out with these girls and party. There was not the interns thing. That was like a finance bro thing. We were friends with the interns. Now what I've learned later is, or what I've been told later is that Shane was regularly. This is just allegedly, I don't want to violate any NDAs, but was regularly sexually assaulting women under my nose. And I think that was sort of leaked into bro culture somehow. And I think one possibility that I've been told is that he said, all right, the hammer's about to come down on me hard for all of this sexual assault. So I'm going to have A and E chicken take over. So when the. The hammer comes down, I'm like, I'm not even the guy anymore.

[Tim Pool]

Yep.

[Gavin McInnes]

It's. What's her name? What is her name again?

[Tim Pool]

Dubik or something. But she, She. I think she left, too. I mean, the company's basically dead.

[Gavin McInnes]

I. I met. Well, here's what I heard. But the company. We'll get that in a sec. So I heard. I met these. These moms and they were like, yeah, we used to make fun of her. We used to, like, like the. These moms at a daycare and, I don't know, Red Hook or something she was known as. So that they would be friends with her, like, as a joke to get her quote. She was known as the dumb mom at the drop off. But I did hear With Vice, Post, all of this, that some Australian dude bought it for like, $25 million.

[Tim Pool]

When?

[Gavin McInnes]

Two years ago. A year ago.

[Tim Pool]

What, from $7 billion?

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah. And his. He keeps it alive right now. This is just what I've heard. He keeps it alive right now with like, three issues a year with the staff of, like, this, like, five. And they have a website that's sort of the same. And I think his goal is to sell it for, like, 26 million, which is good. You made a million bucks. But it's no. 7 billion. 300 billion.

[Tim Pool]

Was it ever really.

[Gavin McInnes]

No.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Gavin McInnes]

It was always a balloon.

[Tim Pool]

Yep. That's what all the employees thought. They thought it was a pump and dump. That the. And again, I'm not.

[Gavin McInnes]

It was a balloon in fear of a pin.

[Tim Pool]

So most of the employees that I knew when I was there and after I left, like, obviously, I'm still friends with a lot of these people. Even I still know some of them today. They were basically saying, Shane is doing everything can to make it seem like we are bigger than we are, to pump up the value and get the valuation really, really big. And so everybody was just like, it's a. Like a private pump and dump. Make it the media darling. Tell everybody where the future. Raise a bunch of money, then liquidate some of your. Your equity in the company to make yourself rich. And then that was that. That was what people were saying about it.

[Gavin McInnes]

When we were back in Montreal, he would. We'd be doing coke and getting wasted and he would. He put his lips, like, on my ear and he'd be like, we are gonna be so rich.

[Tim Pool]

Well, he wasn't wrong.

[Gavin McInnes]

We are gonna. And. And I was like, okay, but it's Friday night. We worked our asses off all week. Let's relax. Let's talk to girls. Let's enjoy ourselves. We're gonna be so rich. And.

[Tim Pool]

But what was happening. This was in Montreal, you said.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah, this is pre.

[Tim Pool]

Right. What was. What was happening in Montreal where you're making tons of money?

[Gavin McInnes]

We weren't. We were. We were barely. We lived in the office. But Shane, and I've known him Since I was 12, he just had this ability to, like, shuffle man. He's just a hustler. And.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Gavin McInnes]

You know, there's a weird thing about Gen X. What are you. You're a millennial.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Gavin McInnes]

There's a weird thing about Gen X where salesmen are the worst biggest losers in the world. They're disgusting. And. And I don't know why that is. I respect salesmen. They pay my bills. They put a roof over my head. They're the reason that I have money in the bank. I never disparage salesmen. I've tried it. I cannot do it, man. It's like modern dance. Like, I don't know how they do it. That's modern dance. Is that analogy? Because modern dance is obviously retarded. It's like tap dancing. Like, I don't get. I can't do that. And Shane, unfortunately, grew up in a culture where he was the greatest salesman of all time. If he was born in the 50s, it'd be Mad Men, Don Draper. He'd be a God, 60s. But then something with our generation, my generation, I should say, with used car salesmen, where selling things was, like, disgusting and petty and lying. So I think he was resented that he was the sales guy. So he's like, I'm gonna get rid of Gavin because he's a content guy. I'll be the sale. I'll be the content guy. And then I think after a few years, he went, my heart's not in this. I don't.

[Tim Pool]

It's sad, because I remember there was. Around the time I was there, I think he posted a picture of you, him and Sarosh. And it's like you guys were at a party or something, and I'm like, that's just. That's so sad, man. You guys were like, best friends, start a company together, and then it, like, the band broke up, you know?

[Gavin McInnes]

Well, I. I fell in love with my girlfriend, and I proposed to her, and that was the end of the triumvirate. And that's always a problem with. With work. That's why the Koreans are so smart to go out, right?

[Tim Pool]

Don't drink. Don't do drugs here.

[Gavin McInnes]

No, no, no. The opposite. The Koreans and the Japanese, they go and get shit hammered.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah.

[Gavin McInnes]

On Friday night. And they rebond. But we were like. We'd go on vacation together. We bought a house together, and then I fell in love with this. This squaw, and I went that way. And then they were like, well, fuck you. F you, I think.

[Tim Pool]

Well, so. So, yeah. How did that. How did it come to be? What's the short version of how you ended up leaving Vice?

[Gavin McInnes]

Oh, my God. I've never told this story before, but I've had some beers. It was the worst experience of my entire life. Well, no, I've had my. My babies. My son, my youngest boy, he got an infection in his thigh and had to have, like, a surgery. That was the worst but this is up there. So my thing with the vice was always open floor plan. If someone's on the phone, you can hear them. Now I do want animosity with sales and editorial. So there are different parts of the office, but there's no secrets. And corporate doesn't have their own offices. I got this from Mars Bar. Frank Mars. He doesn't have his own office. He would. He would just work with. He drove a Honda Civic and he was with the. The people. So that was always the business plan. And I think Shannon Saroosh reluctantly just followed that because, like he seems really into it. Whatever.

[Tim Pool]

When I believe right before I got there, that's how it was. And Shane's desk was in the room with like everybody else.

[Gavin McInnes]

Oh, maybe they changed it because it's not. When Fox 2010, I was out at 2008.

[Tim Pool]

13.

[Gavin McInnes]

Okay, so this I'm talking about is like 2007 or 6.

[Tim Pool]

When I got into 2013. The first time they showed me. This is a few months before I got hired. They showed me the office. Shane's desk was just in a big row of tables next to everybody else.

[Gavin McInnes]

No way.

[Tim Pool]

But then the Murdoch money came in and they built new offices.

[Gavin McInnes]

Okay, so. So this thing I'm talking about happened and then it was reversed and then it happened again.

[Tim Pool]

So just tell. So what happened?

[Gavin McInnes]

So I came. We were fighting about something. It was some bullshit. I don't know. And that's another story. But I come into the office and I was mad at them for this thing where they got lawyers involved. I'll tell that story in a bit. But I come in and they've built like this glass office that's about half the size of this room.

[Tim Pool]

The bare room.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah, with. With tables in it. And I'm like, what's going on? We now have a corporate room. And I go, where's my desk? And they go, oh, there's no room. There's like, there's Saul the manager, there's Saroos, Shane and me. And there's no room for you. And I. I started having a panic attack and I. I was like sweating. I went outside. I called my dad. For some reason, I was like, dad, there's no room for my desk. And my dad is like very. He's like, grew up poor and he's very risk averse. He's like, just tell them you're sorry. Say it's okay.

[Tim Pool]

Bye.

[Gavin McInnes]

Bye. You get your desk in that room, my boy. And that was. We never recovered from that. Like I. I said to Shane. I go like, let's drink a bottle of whiskey again. I've known this guy since I was 12. I was like 30 at that point. And I go, let's just finish a bottle of whiskey and get it all out. And I realized when we did that, he. It took him like 12 days to say, yes, we did that. I was the only one sipping the bottle. So I think I drank an entire bottle of whiskey. And he was like, pretending to drink it, having a water. I went careening down the stairs of his apartment. I was like, I think I broke my neck that night and self repaired or something? No, I fucked myself up going down the stairs.

[Tim Pool]

Was that where he was basically saying, we're cutting you out or what?

[Gavin McInnes]

Oh, dude, we're really opening a Pandora's box here. And I got a piss. So I think what happened was his family, like, when he was a young man, his parents got divorced. I gotta go piss.

[Tim Pool]

All right, I'll pat her, but you go running.

[Gavin McInnes]

But. But basically, Shane is one of these people. And I'm similar where once we, like, draw the line, once it's over, it's over. Yeah. Like, you could save my daughter drowning. You give me my daughter back. Get the out of here.

[Tim Pool]

All right, part two, coming soon after Gavin comes back from the bathroom. So I was only there for about just like a little bit over a year. And at the time, it was really interesting. They were producing these documentaries that were massive, if you guys remember them. And it was edgy and it was cool. Like the bulletproof clothing one where they basically went. Met a guy, he wore a trench coat and they shot it. Or the scopolamine one where they did nothing. They literally just bought it and flushed down the toilet. But everybody wanted to watch it.

[Elad Eliyahu]

It was this, like, cool new age journalism. And I remember the reporters going to crazy places and doing, like, drugs or experimenting or exploring different drugs cultures.

[Tim Pool]

North Korea, Suicide forest in Japan, all this crazy. I field produced the North Korea Diaries documentary for Vice. Let me see if I can find that one. North Korea Diaries, Vice. I didn't go to North Korea. I went to New Zealand. And this one's got 6 million views. Kind of wild. I was field producer on this one. So I went and actually did the interview with the people who went to North Korea. It was actually in New Zealand. And the issue that I had at the company, so I'll just wrap mine up because Gavin's back, is when I joined them, I was like having the launch of my career. I was featured in Time magazine. I got a bunch of these accolades. I was featured in Times Time Person of the Year was the protester. And I was one of six features. So they were like, the protester won and here's, here are features and I was one of them. And then they featured me as one of their most influential, like social media personalities in February. And so I was getting all this attention. GQ did like a six page feature on me. So I went to Vice, I went to Al Jazeera, I went to Google, basically pitched them all and said, like, here's who I am, here's what I'm doing. But Vice was the, you know, the shining city on the hill, right? Everybody wanted to work there. So after like six months of negotiating, I said, listen, I do this live thing, I do the social media thing. You guys don't do it. I do field reporting. You guys don't do it. You bring me in and have me do this like the field reporting for the north korea stuff and kim.com and I'll do the live stuff for you and then together you guys will help build me up and then I'll give you guys what I have. And they agreed. And then after a year, they weren't getting me the other end of the bargain. So I had done a handful of documentaries, but it was heavy lifting. And let's just say they got me about 70% of the way there, so I was relatively happy. But the third time I went and said, hey guys, this is not enough. This is not what I was asking for. You're only 70%. First Response from Shane was, tim, we're going to give you more money. How does that sound? And I say it's a start, but the money isn't the issue. The issue is we're not producing enough and doing enough on the ground. So eventually I just, I got an offer and I ended up quitting. And they, they just didn't deliver on their end of the bargain. So that's why I ended up leaving. That being said, shortly after the, some of the people that, that I knew who had gotten jobs, I instantly started seeing the corporatization and the wokification. And within a couple of years of, of me having left, reporters at Vice who I had worked with were telling me to stop reporting and not to travel the world and cover the stories that I'd been covering before because it would be offensive or because it would help Donald Trump or something unreal.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And that's what happened to the company. So I'm like, I guess I got at the right time.

[Gavin McInnes]

I think they also got infiltrated with trannies who wanted sex changes. So they go, let's unionize. Part of unionization is we want free Medicare. Okay, that sounds reasonable. If you get a big sore on your. I want you to get antibiotics. You get an ingrown hair or whatever. And then it's like, no, I want to reverse my genitalia for 160 grand.

[Tim Pool]

Well, that's. That's a tangent.

[Gavin McInnes]

Salary is 60.

[Tim Pool]

So let's. So let's go back. I mean, can you. Can you explain the full. The details of, like, how you left vice then? So you're like. You're stumbling down the stairs. You drank a bunch of whiskey.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah, that was me trying to fix things. That was me asking what happened with his secretary. And there was a lot of weirdness there. There's never one true catalyst with this kind of thing. Right. It's sort of like divorce. So it's never like, I did this or he said that. But there was me getting married, and the triumvirate was failing. I wasn't with them anymore. But there was one. I went to an American Renaissance conference, and David Duke was there. And, you know, this is my job. I gotta go to weird stuff. And this is before selfies, but I. So people believed you when you said stuff. So I go to the bar at the conference, and David Duke was there. They all hated him. They kicked him out, I believe. But as a joke, I was like. I said. I remember I said it to Kenny Hotz of Kenny versus Spenny, and I said it to this other guy, Trevor, and someone else. And I go, hey, I'm with my best friend David Duke at the bar. And it's a weird thing to say now because no one would believe you, but back then, they're like, what the hell? So one of my friends was like, stub him. Kenny Hotts thought it was hilarious. My wife was freaked out. I think she was my girlfriend then. And she was like, what are you doing? You need to be stopped. You're out of control. And I go, it's called funny. We're not getting married. So they wrote me this big, like, legal document saying, if you ever do anything like that again, you're done. And we obviously had always been handshake guys. I still am a handshake guy. I manage a boxer. I'm not registered as his manager. We're just handshake guys. So I was really mad at them for not discussing it and making it a contract that said if you Ever do anything as terrible as that ever again. We're going to forcefully sell your shares. So I couldn't look at them for like five days. I worked from home for five days. And then I was doing bumps with my negro friend Derek in the bathroom at a party, at a bar party. And Shane tried to come in. And Derek was like, shane's trying to get in. And I was like, ugh. And I pushed the door closed. That was $100 million push. Where Shane, in his mind was just like, he's dead to me. So the drinking, the bottle of whiskey was after that. Yeah. But when I pushed that door closed, he was like, you're dead to me. And I think it's because his childhood, my dad was actually his dad's boss. And there was this bizarre project in the Caribbean where Computing Devices Canada was doing a contract. And there's like black pussy everywhere. And there's these boomers. Boomers were really into infidelity, right? Key parties and everything?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah.

[Gavin McInnes]

So they were like. I think his dad was like, he sees all this black pussy and he's like, hey, Glenda. Like, to his wife, let's have an open relationship. And she's a farm girl from, like southwestern Ontario. So she's like, okay, whatever that is. So she starts boning like black tennis instructors with giant dreads who were like, ripping her pussy to shreds. And he can't get laid to save his life. So they get divorced. She. She remarries some super nice, awesome guy who's like a good boy. Like Hank Hill from King of the Hill with the mustache. And Shane hates him and they get into a fight and he's like, I'm the boss of this house now. And Shane's like, you. So he moves in with his dad. His dad was like on a revenge tear as far as I'm concerned, for the. The whole. Suck too much. Oh, sorry.

[Tim Pool]

You gotta turn the volume down a little bit.

[Gavin McInnes]

So she wasn't on a sex bender. She was a normal lady. She found a new man. She found Hank Hill. But he. The dad went on this bender. He effed all my mom's friends and ruined their lives. Like, ripped them off. He was a terrible man. And I think Shane grew up, like, just seeing women as second class citizens, but also having this, like, line in the sand. Like, if you F me over, you're dead to me.

[Tim Pool]

How. How did you guys make so much money? Like in the early days before, like, that they cashed you out for 10.

[Gavin McInnes]

Million, you said Shane was just unbelievable. At. @ CEO. Whispering 1. Like, your guess is as good as mine. But one theory I have is CEOs are all nerds and losers. And we were like the cool guys. He would call the CEOs on Saturdays and be like, hey man, we're going to this like party in Austin by the water and there's gonna be a bunch of chicks there. And the CEO is like, but you're not benefiting from this meeting. And they'd come down and they're like little Lululemon shorts. And they were thrilled that Shane put them on the mat.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Got to hang out. The cool kids.

[Gavin McInnes]

You got to hang out with the cool kids. That's. That's just a guess.

[Tim Pool]

But I mean, like, you guys were selling ads. There was like, there were sales, there were deals.

[Gavin McInnes]

Well, this is crazy. So back in the early days, most of our clients were record labels. And the people who ran record labels, as far as ad sales go, were women. And they would want sex for ads. This is the thing women talk about me too, and everything. No one abuses power more than boomer women, older women, short haired women.

[Tim Pool]

Short haired women, they get a haircut.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah. They have the little pixie cut. And they have this exact body. My body with like weird sideways tits. And Shane himself used to say, we ate our way to the top. He would bone all these sales girls. Girls, sales moms.

[Tim Pool]

And then they would buy ads.

[Gavin McInnes]

And they would buy ads.

[Tim Pool]

Wow.

[Gavin McInnes]

And we had a. We had a graphic design firm that would do most of our ads called Heliozilla in Toronto. And I swear I'll die on this. I think one of the guys at Heliozilla invented the term cougar.

[Tim Pool]

Really?

[Gavin McInnes]

Because he was like. Because he did it too. We both. They all did it. We all did it. They would.

[Tim Pool]

Secret of the 90s.

[Gavin McInnes]

They were like cougars. They'd ravage you.

[Tim Pool]

Like, you guys are like late 20s, early 30s, and you're going to these 40 year old women being like, dude, mid 20s.

[Gavin McInnes]

I didn't bone any of them. That was his. That was Shane's job. But he told me this story once. It still makes. I have this like ptsd. If anyone ever goes like this to me, I'll murder them. Because he was having dinner with this woman. She shows up in a limousine, pixie cut. Of course. He's like, here we go. He goes downstairs, they go have dinner. And during the dinner, she's eating or I don't know her shrimp, that's paid for by Universal. And she goes like this.

[Tim Pool]

To you.

[Gavin McInnes]

No, to him. Oh. He told me the story later. And that means, put your hand in mine.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, man.

[Gavin McInnes]

Like, I'd rather be shot in the arm than someone. Go. So he has to, like, as he's eating his shrimp, put his hand in hers, and she just, like, squeezes it.

[Tim Pool]

And now you have $10 million from that deal. And he made, you know, how many tens of millions?

[Gavin McInnes]

Probably 200 million. I think he spent 100 million on blackjack.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah. No, I've heard those stories. Yeah. So there was a one. One moment. I think it was when I was there, that there was a news story was written about how he won 300 grand gambling.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And everyone was like, there's a picture of him with all this money. And I was like, guys, how much did he spend exactly?

[Gavin McInnes]

Dude, if you made 300 grand gambling playing blackjack, you lost 3 million. It's just math. If someone won 3 bucks gambling, you.

[Tim Pool]

Hold on. I got a system.

[Gavin McInnes]

Bucks.

[Tim Pool]

Okay.

[Gavin McInnes]

I swear, dude, David Cho was like that when he got his 100 million from Facebook. He would have his buddy go to different blackjack tables and feel the vibe. Jeez. And then he would come back and go, that's a winning table. And David Cho swears to this day that it worked. And he made tens of millions of dollars. No, you didn't.

[Tim Pool]

Sure.

[Gavin McInnes]

You forgot the money you've effing lost.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, well, that's. That's the thing. That he did make tens of millions of dollars. He just lost tens of millions more.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yes. You know, it's. It's. And you know what? With sales guys, selective memory is very effective because they go, no, your product sucks. No, your product sucks. No. And when people say that to me, I'm like, f you by product rules. You want to fight, you know.

[Tim Pool]

You know, the secret to sales is you just try to. You just imitate the other person.

[Gavin McInnes]

Well, you can also take no for an answer. I can't take no for an answer.

[Tim Pool]

Salespeople.

[Gavin McInnes]

Salespeople can take it.

[Tim Pool]

I would describe it like this. In. In sales, you've got a very sharp edge. There's no middle ground. You have to know when you're wasting your time and know when not to say no. So I used to do fundraising for nonprofits.

[Gavin McInnes]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

I would never talk to somebody who I could just look at and know was not going to donate to me. And so me and my friends, we're the top fundraisers in the nation for, like, Greenpeace. I think I was, like, number five in the nation for Greenpeace. And it's not necessarily just that I'm a good salesman. That was a component of it, but it was. I knew who not to talk to. So it's not about whether you take no for an answer. If I. If I see somebody and I know they're a donor, I won't take no for an answer because I can already tell that they're going to donate. And if they're not, I'm saying something wrong. So I got to figure out what to say and how to say it.

[Gavin McInnes]

Okay, so that was probably Shane's skill. Yeah, I just.

[Tim Pool]

You go to.

[Gavin McInnes]

I don't. I don't have that DNA.

[Tim Pool]

You go to a meeting with someone and you can just see it in their face, in their body. And before you even make the pitch, you go, I can tell it's a waste of time. Have a nice day. And you leave. And you don't waste any time with people who aren't going to be doing deals with you. We're going to go to Super Chats and rumble rants, my friends. Uh, so smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know. And of course, no tax on Super Chats anymore, up to $25,000. So, you know, there you go. It's good news. Thanks, President Trump. We're gonna have that uncensored show coming up for you in 20 minutes. Not that this already wasn't pretty close to it or over the line. Anyway. It was fun. We'll get those F words, but we're. Read what you guys have to say and join our discord [e-mail]. you got to heard. You got to hear Gavin beg me to quit and me explain why I wouldn't. So if you think I should not quit, then the most important thing in the world is that you guys join [e-mail] in the Discord server. Because I do have a kid. And we're having. We're. We're already planning when we're having our next kid. We're like, got a kid on the way too. Bill's got one on the way. And so congrats. Thank you very much. I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say it like this. When I get. After the show wraps, it's going to be about 1050 or whatever. My wife and the baby are already sleeping. I can't wake them up, so I'm going to go to bed. I'm going to see him in the morning before work. I'm going to come in, work till about two or three, then I'm going to go eat with them briefly and then come back to work. And that's right. Okay. It's not sustainable. So I need you to support the work we do if you do. And we're going to try and figure out how to make it all sustainable and keep the community going when I don't end up in the ER again. I think that's the other reality that I think everyone should consider. I ended up in the hospital and had to go to urgent care a week after that because I was still pretty messed up. There is a reality to be turning 40 in, I think, seven months. What month is it? I don't know, five months? I don't know. What do we got? We got three. Six, seven. Yeah, about seven. Six, seven months. I'll be 40 years old. And when I first started doing all this in my late 20s, my recovery time was less than a day. I could go out and skate for eight hours and get a heart rate over 200 and be drenched in sweat and do it every single day, nonstop. I was in New York during Occupy, and I'd be. We went from the Financial district to the Bronx and back in one day during these protests. And it's just what you did. And Now I'm almost 40, and I'm like, I can do that once a week, maybe. So the challenge is, and this is in all seriousness, you know, I'm starting to realize that 16 hour days, my recovery time, my goal is to get.

[Gavin McInnes]

You down to two hours. I don't want anyone fired, so don't get weird around me. By the way, don't knife me, but funnel the content down at two hours and one spot.

[Tim Pool]

We're figuring it out. We're figuring it out. We're working, we're figuring it out. But in the meantime, support the community and help us create something that will create a permanent foundation. And we're ready. Read your chance. Let's go. We got Shane Hwilder says, hey, Tim. And Phil. Tim, Phil. And I'm sorry. Hey, Tim. Phil and I discussed gathering up Du Bois for a new crusade. Liberating the UK and making our way to Jerusalem. I know Tate and Serge would be down, but are you in? I. Dude, I would love to conquer the United Kingdom. And, you know, you know, I tweeted that. And then Carl Benjamin said, americans need to know how unpopular is when they say this.

[Gavin McInnes]

He said the same thing to me.

[Tim Pool]

I said, unpopular to who? To the English. Well, duh. We want to conquer you. Carl's one of the good ones. Though I said, well, there's Liberators. My point was the UK is already being conquered.

[Gavin McInnes]

I'm going to be at Tommy's thing next week.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. On the 13th.

[Phil Labonte]

That's awesome.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Super cool. And Tommy, I talked to him today, and he said, we're winning. And I think. I think it's true. We'll. We'll talk about Floyd Gate in the members only portion of the show, which we can show a lot more of the content that's going. This is pretty crazy that I'm even saying this. I don't think I have to anymore. On Instagram, there are dozens, hundreds, thousands of channels that mass produce videos that are overtly racist humor. Like, there was one video where it was a black guy with a baby, and he's like, hey, my son's gonna say his first words. I'm so excited. And the baby goes, y' all take ebt. There's just endless amounts of videos like this. And I'm like, the pendulum has swung so hard in the other direction that Instagram's not even taking any action against these channels. So we'll talk about that, but let's read more your chats. All right. Fitzy says, does Tim support a law that protects the bird, which is the bald eagle? Like, should people be allowed. Should the bald eagle be explained?

[Gavin McInnes]

Inside joke to you?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. What is it? Oh, it's. It's a you thing.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah. Okay, so Ben Crump explained it was like a. The new Al Sharpton.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Gavin McInnes]

He explained to George Floyd's brother, I know you're meeting Trump, and can you say to him, we have the bald eagle on the endangered list, but not the black man. Why is that? That was his assignment. And so George Floyd comes back from meeting Trump, and he's like, not George Floyd.

[Tim Pool]

Ben Crump.

[Gavin McInnes]

No, Felonious. Floyd Felonious, his brother. And by the way, his mother's name is Larcenia. Larceny and Felony are in his family. His name's Felony Felonious Floyd.

[Tim Pool]

That's the real name.

[Gavin McInnes]

His real name, huh? Phil. Like P H I. L like Phil, but Felonious. So he goes, he was a great guy. We had beards. He's awesome. And then Ben Crump is like, say the eagle thing. And he goes, oh, yeah. Anyway, so the bird, which is the bald eagle, is on a lit. And we became obsessed with the bird, which is the bald eagle, which is the bald. So we have, like, bald eagle pins and it's. I have a bald eagle tattoo. So, yeah, there he is. It's a thing.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah. I do love it when they say things like this. Like, did you know that guns, guns have more rights than women? It's like we should. We're not even equal as guns. And then everyone goes, so you want to be banned from polling locations? We can.

[Gavin McInnes]

I'm in.

[Phil Labonte]

You know, license to can't go to New York.

[Tim Pool]

All right, let's grab some more. What we got here. J Dirt biker says effort legalize medical cocaine. And also check out the Arnie States show live on Rumble every weekday morning from 10:00am to 1:00pm oh, there you go. Medicinal.

[Gavin McInnes]

Are these people paying for these?

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Gavin McInnes]

How much?

[Tim Pool]

That one was $1. For the low, low cost of $1 he got to promote his show.

[Gavin McInnes]

Okay, there you go. Little low.

[Tim Pool]

Well, you know, here's one that's 20 vacant stair says Quebec is my favorite part of Latin America.

[Gavin McInnes]

I don't get that. You seem like you're from Montreal.

[Elad Eliyahu]

No. Do I?

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah.

[Elad Eliyahu]

What about me?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Where are you from?

[Elad Eliyahu]

New York. Long Island.

[Phil Labonte]

Ah, Long Island.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Long Island.

[Tim Pool]

I thought he was going to say Israel.

[Gavin McInnes]

Montreal is very Jewy.

[Tim Pool]

Is it?

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Elad Eliyahu]

No, not familiar.

[Gavin McInnes]

The English that were kicked out were all Jewish during the separatism. That's why when people ask me why I'm such a Semite, I'm like, I don't know. I grew up around them.

[Elad Eliyahu]

A philosomite. Do you love my people?

[Gavin McInnes]

Yes. I'm a philo Semite more than most of the Jews I know. Actually. I know rabbis that hate Israel.

[Tim Pool]

Oh. Jay Riggs says, elad, you're stupid. Is showing basic fact. Virginia allows you to marry your first cousin. West Virginia does not allow you to marry your first or second cousins. West Virginia has more strict familial marriage laws. Way to hate on West Virginia.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Yeah, so I actually pulled it up. I wasn't going to drop the stats during the show, but it said West Virginia was rated second among the states of intermarriage with your cousins illegal.

[Gavin McInnes]

But there's a difference between it's legal and it's a pattern. In Pakistan, it's a pattern.

[Tim Pool]

West Virginia is actually Virginia.

[Gavin McInnes]

It may have happened a couple times.

[Tim Pool]

West Virginia is the second most Trump supporting state. It's got below average national crime, tons of economic opportunity. It's fantastic.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Here it's also like lowest per capita income. Per capita GDP per capita.

[Tim Pool]

I forgot.

[Elad Eliyahu]

The average salaries is like.

[Tim Pool]

So you're saying there's no correlation between poverty and crime?

[Elad Eliyahu]

I'm saying not in this case. But it's one of the poorest states, I gotta say.

[Tim Pool]

Opportunity.

[Gavin McInnes]

When the driver pulled into 7744 Pine street in Chesterton, West Virginia, I was like, this place feels like a crime. Fees.

[Elad Eliyahu]

What a dress are we dropping there? What is it?

[Tim Pool]

What is that?

[Gavin McInnes]

I'm doxing you.

[Tim Pool]

We're in West Virginia.

[Elad Eliyahu]

It's an open invite.

[Gavin McInnes]

Virginia.

[Tim Pool]

Everybody knows we're in West Virginia. Oh, yeah, but I. But I appreciate the reverse doxing.

[Gavin McInnes]

You got swatted here, didn't you?

[Tim Pool]

Not here. We can't get swatted here. But the old studio was swatted like 15 times. We had fake bombs since they. They found. So, you know, you, you understand this? Like, what, you know, a certain point, you buy property, you obfuscate the ownership, you know, they still found it. We think we know who did it. We sent the info to the FBI. They laughed at us. You know what I mean?

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I didn't stop it.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah. But, yeah, what's weird when you have a really good home address and it's solid, someone comes to your house as a friend, and then they send you, like, shorts with a penis on the front. What, like, as a joke?

[Tim Pool]

Like novelty shorts?

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah, like novelty shorts, as a joke. And you're like, what the. You start, like, calling all your buddies who did this, getting their address and finding. And then like, did you get my shorts? And you're like, dude, I spent two days of my life finding out who sent these.

[Tim Pool]

We just have guys with rifles who, when the guy walks up with the shorts, they grab them by the.

[Gavin McInnes]

I killed a guy who had some novelty shorts. I hope you're proud of yourself.

[Tim Pool]

We have security perimeter and we tell people because of the death threats, don't come here. You've been warned. But crazy people do crazy things, man. Yeah, it's crazy. And I can't say too much for security reasons, but we've had some crazy stuff happen.

[Gavin McInnes]

Well, if you want to see with our security, come to 7749 Pine Avenue. I'm sure that's Berg, West Virginia. That's where we thrive.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Let's grab some more of these. What do we got here?

[Gavin McInnes]

Not a real address that gets blown up tomorrow.

[Tim Pool]

Someone lives there. Let's see. Gasparo says, I am 54. My wife is 45. We just had our fifth child, Vienna Lee. Happy health. Happy health. Six pounds to answers. Wow. Congratulations. Awesome, awesome.

[Phil Labonte]

Congratulations.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Astro Fox says, Gavin, will the Vice movie you made ever come out?

[Gavin McInnes]

No. I was told by someone who left the studio, 20th Century Fox. They said, and I quote, the fat man told Mickey Mouse not to let it go.

[Tim Pool]

So this was gonna be like a biopic of Vice.

[Gavin McInnes]

It's. It's a. It's a movie of my book Death the Cool, which includes a lot of Vice stuff.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, this is a no brainer. This is a. This is a $200 million film. This is like.

[Gavin McInnes]

The annoying thing is, I didn't want to do it, and I go, let's just make it about my life, but not include Vice. And, like, no's a British guy. No, we got to get Vice in there. We got to do Vice. And then I go, okay, well, how.

[Tim Pool]

Do you do a biopic of Gavin without Vice in it?

[Gavin McInnes]

I guess. But I did get the fattest actor I could find to play. To play Shane.

[Tim Pool]

When you filmed the movie.

[Gavin McInnes]

It's done.

[Tim Pool]

What?

[Gavin McInnes]

It's sitting on a shelf.

[Tim Pool]

How do we get it?

[Gavin McInnes]

You can't.

[Tim Pool]

If there's a will, there's a way.

[Gavin McInnes]

Good. Get hacking Russians. Get in there. 20th Century Fox Digital.

[Tim Pool]

Well, but I mean, like, Vice is cooked right now. So what? You know what loss is there? Wouldn't Disney want to make the money back they lost?

[Gavin McInnes]

Sounds good to me. I had a guy offer them 650 grand, and he said. They said to him, you could offer me 3 billion. I would never give this to you.

[Tim Pool]

Why? Disney said that?

[Gavin McInnes]

I think Shane shut down Eddie Wang's movie. Vices broke.

[Tim Pool]

It was called Vice is broke.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah. And it's. It got toasted. Eddie Wang, he's a compulsive liar, which, ironically, I think he got from Shane. And he was like, it got shut down because I. I'm mad about the babies in Gaza because the distributor works with software that helps Israel.

[Tim Pool]

All right. I'm making a movie about Vice.

[Gavin McInnes]

Really?

[Tim Pool]

I'm gonna make a movie about Vice. There you go.

[Gavin McInnes]

Okay. I can get you this footage. It just has a giant watermark.

[Tim Pool]

And they're gonna come to me, and they're gonna be like, we're gonna buy the rights so that you don't do it.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

All right. Five million bucks, Disney, and I won't make the movie. You can buy the rights to my Vice story.

[Gavin McInnes]

It must be Disney, because he said, oh, I got stories Batman told Mickey Mouse. No stories.

[Tim Pool]

I. From Vice. You know, they had a secret room in their building, a hidden room. You weren't there for this.

[Gavin McInnes]

For what?

[Tim Pool]

When? When. So all I can tell you is they.

[Elad Eliyahu]

So the.

[Tim Pool]

You remember the Brooklyn building? The white building is at entrance on both sides in Williamsburg.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah. My days ended at North 10th.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Yeah. North 10th.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah. Okay.

[Tim Pool]

But it was like that white building used to be a skate park or something. Or a skate shop.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yep. Yep.

[Tim Pool]

And then they built, like, studio editing. Editing stuff. Well, while I was there, they knocked the wall out in the front on the. This would have been the north side of the building, and they took over the rest of the building. Then there was another area where there were stairs that went up to a small room and a secret wall that opened up into a hidden room.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah, that's gonna be sex. I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

I went in there once. It's just a table. They were like, you.

[Gavin McInnes]

You went in there once?

[Tim Pool]

I think. I think it was for coke.

[Gavin McInnes]

An inch of cum and you're like, what the.

[Tim Pool]

Nah, it wouldn't have been comfortable. I think it's probably drugs. And the assumption would be that they needed a meeting where they could bring executives to party, you know, do blow or something.

[Gavin McInnes]

That's gonna be blow. Blow and sex. Why are we.

[Tim Pool]

Because they had.

[Gavin McInnes]

Not mutually exclusive.

[Tim Pool]

Because they had these glass rooms. They had rooms that were, like, glass walls. And, you know, they had the bear room. That was. The bear room was the big glass divider. It was like a big open room, and then it had a glass divider, and there was a bear in it.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah, John Martin sued them for that bear.

[Tim Pool]

Really?

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah. It's a big. It's on the news from him. Yeah. They kept his bear, and he's like, no, that's my bear. I got that on assignment. I own that. And they went to court, and they won the.

[Tim Pool]

The vice one.

[Gavin McInnes]

No, John Martin won.

[Tim Pool]

Weird. Wild, but. So, you know, they had these glass rooms for meetings, and when Google came, they went into the big glass conference room, and you could see them in there doing their things. And then they had another room with a hidden wall, and it was.

[Gavin McInnes]

You know, that's kind of cool. I enjoy disparaging vice, but now we're drifting into. That sounds awesome.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, the. There are some stories that I'll. You know, I'll refrain from saying related to the downfall of the company.

[Gavin McInnes]

Well, if it's not sexual assault, it is. Yeah. Okay.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Gavin McInnes]

It's like my buddy Chris Lombardi from Matador Records. I tried to get my dad to do coke one night at my. I think it was my 30th birthday. I was like, come on, man. And he's like, I've got enough addictions for one lifetime. Thank you.

[Tim Pool]

Let's. Let's. Let's save. Let's. Let's Save a little bit. I'll tell some of the story in the Members only, but let's read some because we still got to read some more of these super chats. So what do we got here? Let's. Let's grab this. I'm not your buddy. Guy says, interesting day today, seeing Keir Stormtroopers arrest of a comedian doing their best Mr. Creedy impression as they cuff him, saying, not so funny now, is it, Mr. Funny Man. Wow, that was. That was amazing when they arrested Graham Lennon. Yeah, I was. I was talking to Tommy Robinson about this. I was like, you guys remember V for Vendetta, right? I actually just watched it last week. I'm like six. So I watched literally every movie on the planet. And it's fascinating that it's this authoritarian England where it's all about nationalism, anti Islam, Christianity. And I'm like. But the things they're doing with the left are doing. Yeah, you know, so it was funny to see, you know, Creedy is like. And as always, England prevails. And I'm like, now you've got a guy on TV being like, don't say England. You'll get. You'll be offend some. Someone, and you'll go to jail.

[Gavin McInnes]

And by the way, Guy Fawkes, that. That stupid. That stupid mask they wear.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, he's a theocrat.

[Gavin McInnes]

He was. He was a Catholic who was upset with how the government was drifting away from Catholicism.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. He want to blow up Parliament, destroy them.

[Gavin McInnes]

So he's a religious fanatic. Yep, a Catholic religious fanatic.

[Tim Pool]

This is what I never understood about the movie where, you know, it's Hugo Weaving playing V. He's like a great man. Wanted to. To remind all of us what it meant. I'm like, no, he wanted a theocratic government he was upset with. He went to blow Parliament, whatever. My understanding is in the comic, V is like a very lefty, anarchist guy. He's very violent. But it was funny. They made the movie and all the prediction about authoritarianism applied to the left and not the right. In fact.

[Gavin McInnes]

Wait, Tim, you cut me off on my earlier story. I don't know why. Maybe it was too offensive. But.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, no, we got a few minutes left. I missed the super chats.

[Gavin McInnes]

But Chris Lombardi said what I. Because the next day, I go, I feel terrible. What I said to my dad, that was so retarded. I can't believe I said that. And Chris goes, if what you're saying doesn't hurt anyone, it's funny. And I was like, what a Great lesson. Thank you, Chris.

[Tim Pool]

Makes sense.

[Gavin McInnes]

And that applies to the. The British government shutting down. Someone with rude tweets. If no one is physically harmed by what you've done. It's funny. Stop.

[Tim Pool]

Unless you're trying to maintain control over people and you can't have them deviating from your plans.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah, we'll say that. And then, you know, there's no repercussions. That's the beauty of free speech.

[Tim Pool]

All right, let's read some more. We got one. Evil chef says, hey, Tim said, sad to hear you were sick with a closed throat. Had that happen a few years back when I turned 40. Found out peppermint liquor cures it. High proofs work faster, but it's not for drinking. Only to relax your throat. While. I certainly did not drink alcohol while I was sick the last time I had a drink.

[Phil Labonte]

Probably the election.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, no.

[Gavin McInnes]

I drink in nanoseconds, man.

[Tim Pool]

I didn't even drink at my wedding. Yeah.

[Gavin McInnes]

What?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah, I don't drink. No tattoos, no piercings.

[Gavin McInnes]

It's totally different.

[Tim Pool]

No drinking, no drugs. Work.

[Gavin McInnes]

Do you drink?

[Elad Eliyahu]

I drink, yes.

[Gavin McInnes]

Okay.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Only for the Sabbath, of course. My kiddish. No, I'm kidding.

[Tim Pool]

Maybe you don't drink. I quit. I might have had a drink a lot.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Day drinking, Wake up in the morning, drink.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Well, you're an old man.

[Tim Pool]

I wasn't talking or anything.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Slinging back bruise like this still. Can you wait?

[Gavin McInnes]

I thought. You know what's funny?

[Elad Eliyahu]

Are you washing?

[Gavin McInnes]

I thought you were going to say the exact opposite. I think you're an old man. Of course you drink, bud. Every old man has a butt in his hand. That's.

[Tim Pool]

I thought he was gonna say, like, who cares? You're old. You know, Drink away. Have you ever seen. Was that movie Little Miss Sunshine where the grandpa's doing heroin? He's like, I don't care. I'm gonna die. I'm 80. Who cares?

[Elad Eliyahu]

I feel like the youth has become more health conscious, especially surrounding drinking. I feel like there's an anti cigarette campaign that's been very effective on the youth.

[Gavin McInnes]

Yeah, it's terrible.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Kids don't drink.

[Gavin McInnes]

A big part of the. Any bar owner in America and he's.

[Phil Labonte]

Like, yeah, they're empty.

[Gavin McInnes]

They're all. They're all on. On dating apps.

[Tim Pool]

A big part of the reason why.

[Phil Labonte]

People don't smoke anymore is because cigarettes are $10 a pack.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Is that the case?

[Phil Labonte]

Incredibly expensive nowadays.

[Gavin McInnes]

Pub culture, dive bar culture, it's dying. And that's terrible.

[Tim Pool]

It is.

[Gavin McInnes]

This country was founded on dive bars.

[Tim Pool]

By the way, it was the founding fathers meeting at pubs to talk about.

[Elad Eliyahu]

How vice Bullshit thing to say. You with your gold rings and tattoos and so mustache, I'm a tran of yours.

[Gavin McInnes]

I know it's from that I'm a bullshit.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I could just see you being a barista.

[Tim Pool]

Sure, sure. Anyway. Anyway to the point it's a literal fact that the founding fathers are meeting at pubs and they were having beers and they were pissed off about what the crown was doing.

[Gavin McInnes]

The American revolution happened because they were learning gun training and they the at the public house they got. No one would come so they go, okay, how about free beer? They would have. They'd get their beers, then they'd do the gun training after. And they started talking like, why are we paying all these taxes to a king? So drunken rants at a bar is why you have America indeed keep attacking me for my out of love appearance.

[Tim Pool]

We are going to go to the uncensored portion of the show [e-mail] Timcast IRL. So smash the like button. Share the show.

[Gavin McInnes]

Endzone.

[Tim Pool]

Yes. Smash the like button. Share the show. Follow me on X and Instagram Tim Cast and don't forget to subscribe to my new YouTube channel, Tim Pool. Don't ask me why there's YouTube names the channels the way they but YouTube.com Im Poole and I put up a video today talking about oh, you guys want to watch this one? YouTube's not too keen on sharing it, but there's a viral video going around of these German guys in France talking about how France ain't French no more. So definitely check that video out. Gavin, you want to shout anything out?

[Gavin McInnes]

Sensor TV is the only place I can be. I'll be at Tommy's rally on September 13th and we have a comedy show in Queens you can check out on censored TV that's coming up soon. We can announce the location. And Harley Burke, my boxers fighting on September 26th against a very tenacious inside fighter from Ireland. That's all uncensored tv.

[Tim Pool]

Right on. Nice.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Thank you guys for tuning in. I am a lot Eliyahu, the White House correspondent here at Tim cast. Maybe not for long if things go as the way that Gavin wants them to. Gavin left the room. But I. I was going to say it was a refreshing throwback to Gavin. Me and Gavin go way back. Phil.

[Phil Labonte]

I am Phil that remains on Twix. I'm Phil that remains. I'm actually, I'm not Phil that remains official anymore. The band is all that remains you can follow the band on YouTube, Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify and Deezer. Don't forget the left lane is for crime.

[Tim Pool]

We will see you all [e-mail] Timcast IRL in about 30 seconds. Thanks for hanging out. We'll see you there.