Trump Official RESIGNS Over Iran War, MAGA SUPPORTS War Slams Joe Kent w/ Roseanne

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Timcast IRL

Episode Title: Trump Official RESIGNS Over Iran War, MAGA SUPPORTS War Slams Joe Kent w/ Roseanne
Date: March 18, 2026
Host: Tim Pool
Guests: Roseanne Barr, Jake Pentland, Mackenzie (Liv Boeree), Ian Crossland

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Overview

This episode of Timcast IRL revolves around the resignation of Trump administration counterterrorism official Joe Kent in protest of the ongoing US-Iran war, alleged Israeli influence on US policy, and the resulting fracture within the MAGA coalition. Guest panelists Roseanne Barr, her son Jake Pentland, former pro poker player and podcaster Mackenzie, and regular contributor Ian Crossland join Tim Pool to dissect these events. They explore the shifting political alliances, the meaning of coalition politics, media narratives, internal movement conflicts, and broader social debates ranging from US foreign policy to the roots of social decay.

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Major Topics and Highlights

1. Joe Kent's Resignation and Iran War Fallout

[02:35 – 13:33, 22:00, 24:15]

• Joe Kent, a senior counterterrorism official, resigned over US involvement in the Iran war, blaming Israel's influence.
  • His statement: “I cannot in good conscience support the ongoing war with Iran… we started this war due to pressure from Israel and its powerful American lobby.” (08:13)
• Controversy over Joe Kent’s past statements that labeled Iran as a threat and even an assassination risk to Trump.
• The Trump administration’s response: Kent had been isolated from Iran intelligence due to alleged leaks.
• MAGA’s split: Most Republicans and Trump loyalists support the war, but antiwar moderates and libertarians are breaking away.
• Tim Pool: “The MAGA coalition is fractured. ...If MAGA doesn’t have this coalition, the well-organized Democrat machine will succeed.” (24:15)

Notable Quote

• Roseanne Barr (pro-war stance):
  • “America and its ally Israel are taking out the threat to our freedom, our liberty, our future... I’m glad they both got their balls back and stopped listening to libtards...” (08:51)

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2. Media Smears, Identity Politics, and the MAGA “Schism”

[13:33, 22:00, 27:51, 31:06]

• Tim Pool and others criticize media misrepresentation:
  • He was falsely accused by MSNBC of calling Pete Hegseth a “war criminal”—that was Tim Dillon’s quote, not his (22:54).
  • The mainstream media is confused or failing to track nuanced new political divides.
• How coalition politics is more about influencing swing voters and independents than just pleasing the core base: “You’ve got to win the middle of the road.” (35:15)
• The role of notable “right-wing” influencers (Joe Rogan, Dave Smith, Tim Dillon) in shaping or splintering coalition sentiment.

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3. The "Woke Right," James Lindsay, and Movement Infiltration

[27:51 – 44:33]

• Heavy debate around James Lindsay, his infiltration tactics, and the use of terms like “woke right” to muddy waters within the conservative coalition.
  • Tim Pool’s Critique: Lindsay uses “woke right” as a catch-all to smear various political actors and fracture MAGA from within.
  • Jake Pentland’s Defense: Lindsay is exposing real internal fractures.
  • Roseanne: “They’re all Jew haters. That’s what to me, that’s what woke right is.” (43:47)

Key Quote

• Tim Pool: “The man’s MO is to infiltrate groups, convince them to say dumb things… and he is intentionally doing it now, as the Iran coalition fractures.” (33:16)
• Broad take: “Woke” is now an incomprehensible term due to its overuse and weaponization.

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4. Israel, US Foreign Policy, and Conspiracy Narratives

[15:21, 16:05, 17:33, 18:23]

• Nuanced take: While Israel has “outsized influence” on some US policy, broader US interests (like oil, the petrodollar, and military alliances) are primary drivers.
  • Media and online conspiracies are often oversimplifications (“everything’s been Israel the whole time”), distracting from the true geopolitical drivers.
• Debates around the British Empire, Standard Oil, global elites, “bankers,” and the military-industrial complex as culprits behind endless wars (particularly fueled by Roseanne).

Notable Quote

• Mackenzie: “People are just desperate to have a simple answer to really, really complex, scary problems. It’s what all conspiratorial thinking is…” (17:35)

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5. Defining “Woke” and the Right-Left Divide

[47:36, 48:14, 51:07, 54:03]

• Multiple attempts to define “woke”:
  • Cult-like adherence to social orthodoxy (48:14)
  • Over-expansion of “woke” risks rendering it meaningless.
  • Its roots are in identitarianism, over-emotionality, and weaponized victimhood.
• Discussion of how emotional vs. rational personality types underpin political movements.
  • Roseanne, Jake: “Woke right are girls in the conservative movement.”
• Male (abstract, linear, rules-based) vs. female (agreeable, social cohesion) thinking described as shaping party trends.
• Extensive sidebar on faith, proof, and whether faith-based or scientific worldviews are “dogmatic” (51:07 – 59:39).

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6. The SAVE Act and Electoral Integrity

[22:00, 65:16]

• The SAVE Act—aimed at shoring up election security—has significant popular support but is stalling in Congress due to bipartisan establishment resistance.

  • “RINO branch of the Republican Party and the Democrat Uniparty alliance want to be able to manipulate elections in ways we can’t tell.” (66:16)

• Electoral disenfranchisement and intelligence/literacy tests historically used to suppress voters—but now, intelligence tests are floated as a hypothetical solution to “low-information” voting.

Memorable Exchange

• Tim Pool: “George Carlin famously said, think about how stupid the average person is. Now realize half of them are stupider than that.” (68:58)
• The ethics and logistics of who “should” vote are debated—for many, encouraging low-information or maliciously motivated people to vote is seen as worsening outcomes.

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7. Urban Decay, Crime, and Solutions

[76:02, 78:47, 84:45, 92:21]

• Panel turning to violent teen chaos in US cities (especially DC), crime reportedly coming largely from black male youths.
• Root causes: social abandonment, welfare incentives, erosion of family structure, lack of discipline, and absence of father figures.
  • “Something should replace that. Our country should do something to build up instead of accept destruction.” – Roseanne (89:01)
• Panelists float mandatory national service/basic training (“like Israel”), especially for teens, to enforce discipline and structure:
  • “Maybe juvie should just be basic training camps.” – Tim Pool (89:56)
• The racial component of crime, “plantation politics,” and welfare dependency are robustly debated—somewhat controversially—along political and gender lines.

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8. Voting Rights, Draft, and Political Responsibility

[99:20, 100:40, 101:32]

• Discussing the idea of limiting the franchise: Only those who register for the draft (men or women) should vote.
  • "If you want to vote, you have to sign up for the draft.” – Tim Pool (99:38)
  • Guests agree this would discourage low-commitment, “urban lib” voters, likely strengthening the security-minded electorate.
• The military’s antiwar sentiment: Those who must actually serve will vote less hawkishly.

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9. International Immigration and UK Crime Crisis

[94:18, 95:25, 97:19]

• UK’s rise in violent crime and sexual assaults linked by guests to asylum system failures and mass immigration, but with some guests warning against “malice” narratives; rather, institutional cowardice and “wokeness” are blamed.
  • “Nothing is lower on the totem pole than poor white trash British girls… People were so scared to admit it, because it was more of a heinous moral ill to, to be accused of being racist, than to let this mass rape go on.” – Mackenzie (98:11)
• Analogies drawn to US urban decline, influx of violence, and the inability of the system to honestly address the scale or source of these problems.

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10. Technology, AI, and the Future of Social Order

[109:17, 109:31, 110:05]

• Speculation on AI, robots, and dystopian urban futures (clean, ultra-rich, high-surveillance cities with poor and homeless forced out by costs).
  • References to movies like In Time to illustrate how economic barriers are becoming physical gates to urban life.

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Notable, Memorable Moments and Quotes

• Roseanne (on Iran War and Israel):
  "I'm glad they both (America and Israel) got their balls back and stopped listening to libtards...” (08:51)
• Tim Pool (on coalition politics):
  “The MAGA coalition is fractured... If MAGA doesn’t have this coalition, the well-organized Democrat machine will succeed...” (35:15)
• Mackenzie (on conspiracy thinking):
  “People are just desperate to have a simple answer to really complex, scary problems... They would rather resurrect medieval lies than actually know who's in charge...” (17:35)
• Discussion on “woke right”:
  “They’re all Jew haters. That’s what, to me, that’s what woke right is.” – Roseanne (43:47)
• On discipline and youth crime:
  “We could just have our laws be enforced, and instead of releasing these people and letting murderers go, we can just, you know, be alive. You commit a crime, you go to jail.” – Tim Pool (91:43)
• On the draft and voting:
  "If you want to vote, you have to sign up for the draft.” – Tim Pool (99:38)
• On public skepticism:
  “Think about how stupid the average person is. Now realize half of them are stupider than that.” – Quoting George Carlin (68:58)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Joe Kent Resignation Segment: 02:35 – 13:33
• Media and MAGA Fracture Analysis: 22:00 – 27:51
• James Lindsay, “Woke Right,” and Internal Debates: 27:51 – 44:33
• Woke, Faith, and Ideology Roundtable: 48:14 – 62:20
• The SAVE Act, Voting Rights, and Literacy Tests: 65:16 – 75:59
• Urban Crime, Youth Delinquency, National Service: 76:02 – 91:56
• International Crime/Migration, UK Crisis: 94:18 – 98:27
• Voting, Draft, Suffrage Debate: 99:20 – 103:20
• Technology and Urban Dystopia: 109:17 – 113:31

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Tone and Style

• Unfiltered, combative, and at times caustic—panelists don’t shy from controversial opinions or language (e.g., Roseanne’s “libtards,” “Jew haters,” and “retards”).
• Darkly comedic undercurrents, especially from Tim Pool and Jake Pentland, balance the heavy politics.
• Frequent pop culture and historical references (George Carlin, Doctor Who, In Time).
• Nuanced disagreement: Despite sharp rhetoric, the panel exhibits willingness to challenge each other directly but stays mostly conversational.
• Cultural-war focus: Identity politics, coalition, and media manipulation are constant throughlines.

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Summary Takeaways

• The political right in the US is experiencing visible fracture over foreign policy, especially relating to Israel and Iran.
• Coalition politics matter more than ever, as MAGA depends on a fragile alliance with libertarians, independents, and former liberals.
• The “woke right” designation and broader culture war rhetoric are increasingly weaponized, making definitions and groupings confusing and potentially destructive.
• Urban decay, youth crime, and welfare state critiques are tied to debates about family, discipline, and state intervention—panelists push mandatory national service as a solution.
• The show frequently returns to the danger of simplistic narratives—whether about global elites, Israel, or “the other”—warning against both media manipulation and conspiracy.
• Discussions around voting rights, the draft, and responsibility reflect both radical and historically grounded ideas for future political reform.
• The episode ends on an irreverent note—discussing parody card games, dystopian AI futures, and the realities of modern American decline.

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For listeners: This episode is a dense, sometimes chaotic, but unflinching look at the confusion and conflict at the heart of today’s American right. If you want cutting-edge coalition analysis, debate over “woke” terminology, or unfiltered takes on urban breakdown and political sabotage—this episode is a must-listen.

Transcript

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[Mackenzie]

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Joe Kent announced his resignation today, citing Israel pressuring the United States into the Iranian war, saying he cannot support this and that he was backing Donald Trump because Trump said no new wars. However, many people who support Donald Trump pointed out that Joe Kent said Trump was right in the past about Iran being a threat.

[Mackenzie]

And.

[Tim Pool]

And even he pointed out that Iran was trying to kill Donald Trump something like a year and a half ago. So, of course, this has been quite contentious with the media saying that MAGA is breaking apart. And then my favorite was when Nicole Walls and msnbc, I'm sorry, Ms. Now, said Tim Pool called Pete Exeth a war criminal, for which I absolutely have never done. And they should apologize and retract that statement. These people are liars. And then to make it worse, the Independent wrote that Tim Dillon said, actually what I said, because apparently me and Tim Dillon are interchangeable, which is not correct. But, hey, there's only two. There's only one Tim allowed in podcasting, I guess, and it's going to be one of us because the media can't figure out what's going on. So I talk about that, and basically this is the big news. But there is news on the SAVE Act. It has advanced in the Senate, and that means largely nothing. It means they've decided they're going to vote on it. They voted to vote on it. Congress is. Is a waste of time. I'm sorry. Criminal.

[Roseanne]

Criminal.

[Tim Pool]

They've let us down. And it is presumed that they will not pass the SAVE Act. We'll talk about that. And then another bombshell from Nick Shirley. Tracking fraud in California. And he shows up to hospice care facilities where there's no people and everyone's fleeing as soon as they see him. And it looks like, or at least he's reporting, he's uncovered a lot more fraud to the tune of $170 million. And sure enough, Gavin Newsom is attacking him for doing so. I think, actually, on top of that, I can add a former Biden adviser saying outright that Democrats have destroyed our cities after 200 teenagers in Washington, D.C. ran around fighting, firing a gun in the air. And this has been an ongoing problem, especially in spring break in Florida, but also with dc. So we'll get into all of it before we do get a great sponsor for you. My friends, it is Ghostbed. Not all matches are the same. They're just. They're not just furniture. That's why you should check out Ghostbed. Ghostbed doesn't build mattresses like furniture. They build engineered sleep systems. Their beds are serious health equipment beds designed for relief and recovery, not looks, not fluff. Your body should be healing while you sleep, not fighting for comfort. It's easy to tell the difference between a ghost bed and a regular old mattress. If you're waking up stiff, tossing and turning, sleeping hot, even reaching for a pain reliever before bed, hoping tonight will be different. That's not aging. That could be your mattress talking. And here's another thing that's awesome about Ghostbed. You get 101 nights to try it at home. If you don't feel the difference, you can send it back risk free. Ghostbed is offering my audience their lowest prices of the season plus an extra 10% off. So check out ghostbed.com Tim. Use promo code Tim. That's ghostbed.com Tim. Promo code Tim. And as I say, whenever we talk about good sleep, guys, your testosterone and HGH are produced by your body during REM and deep sleep. So if sleeping like crap, you're going to be irritable, fat and tired. You're not going to feel good. So take your sleep seriously. Check it out. But don't forget my friends. Head over to timcast.com and click join now to get involved in the Timcast Discord community where people are coming together to network, to build, to create, to share stories. Maybe there's something you want to do and you don't know how. This is a community that can help you. Maybe there's something you know how to do and you want to help. This is where you can help others. And as a member, you are supporting the work that we do. And you also get to call into the uncensored portion of the show Monday through Thursday at 10pm on Rumble. You don't want to miss it. So don't forget, smash that like button. Share this show right now with everyone you know joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more, we have Roseanne's Mossad handler.

[Roseanne]

Yes.

[Jake Pentland]

CIA handler as well. Got a G prod under.

[Tim Pool]

Yes. Well, they're one and the same, I guess, right?

[Jake Pentland]

They are, yes.

[Tim Pool]

So what do you do?

[Jake Pentland]

I work for my mother. I'm her literal handler.

[Tim Pool]

What's her name?

[Jake Pentland]

Jake Pentland. We do the only mother son podcast. Podcast that I know of. Certainly with a celebrity on it. We do it out of our house every week, every Friday. You've been on there.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. So you're not really Mossad?

[Jake Pentland]

I can't say if I am or not.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, good. Sounds like the mystery is ruined. Okay. Just keep leaving it there. And Roseanne's hanging out.

[Roseanne]

Yeah. It's cool to be here.

[Tim Pool]

Literally everybody knows who you are. You don't need to introduce yourself.

[Mackenzie]

Hello.

[Tim Pool]

And lives back.

[Mackenzie]

Hello, I'm back for more.

[Tim Pool]

And who are you and what do you do?

[Mackenzie]

Former pro poker player now I'm a podcaster.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. Of course we got Ian hanging out, but let's just, let's jump into the news. Everyone knows who you are.

[Ian Crossland]

You don't, you know.

[Tim Pool]

Too late. Got a cane in a top hit. All right, here's a story from the New York Times. Joe Kent, a top US counterterrorism official, resigns over the Iran war. Mr. Kent is the highest ranking Trump administration official to quit in opposition to the conflict. He is also known for his support of conspiracy theories. One of the US's top counterterrorism officials resigned on Tuesday, sending his opposition to the war in Iran and what he said was Israel's influence over the Trump administration's policies, a sign of a emerging divisions in the Republican coalition. The official, Joe Kent, is the first senior member of the administration to quit over the war. The seemingly open ended nature of the US Israeli war in Iran has created strong divisions among Mr. Trump supporters. An anti interventionist wing of the coalition which supported President Trump because of his criticism of long overseas conflicts, has quickly become uneasy with the war, which has lasted 18 days with no immediate sign of ending, quote. I cannot in good conscience support this ongoing support the ongoing war with Iran, Mr. Kent wrote. Iran posed no imminent threat to our nation and it is clear that we started this war due to pressure from Israel and its powerful America lobby. Now, I will say outright, those that identify as MAGA and Republicans overwhelmingly support Trump and this war. And even people who were never Trumpers overwhelmingly support Trump and this war. The issue is arising among moderates, individuals who are not Republicans who shifted to the Republican Party to support Trump. We are now seeing that drift away. But I'm curious what you guys think. You in favor of this? How do you feel about Joe Ken's resignation?

[Jake Pentland]

Also libertarians of it, right?

[Tim Pool]

Oh, the libertarians are furious. I mean Dave Smith's been going off well.

[Roseanne]

I mean America and its ally Israel are taking out the threat to our freedom, our liberty, our future, you know, our safety, women's rights, children's rights, and a destructive octopus that seeks to control everything on earth. So yay. I'm glad they both got their balls back and stopped listening to libtards tell them oh no, America doesn't want to get involved and all that bullshit that only the blindest, most ignorant people on earth would say at this time. That's my opinion.

[Ian Crossland]

I was talking with Dan Holloway a couple Days ago about friendship and alliances, they're not the same thing. You can be deeply allied with someone that you can't stand, that you think is egregiously awful, human, that's a traitor and evil, but you have a great alliance with them because there's a purpose. I think that's sort of what's going on with Israel and the United States, whether you like the people or not, or like what they're doing or not. Setting up and patrolling the Suez Canal and the trade routes and the land bridges and stuff is very important for the world order that we know, that we've come to all grow up in.

[Roseanne]

And the Strait of Hormuz, too. I mean, the fact that Trump is remaking the entire world, I mean, he really, really is. And bringing down

[Mackenzie]

the

[Roseanne]

control mechanism that keeps all the wars going and starts all the new ones, too. Trump is putting it into checkmate, and I love that. And by that, I mean Standard Oil. I mean the British oils.

[Tim Pool]

There's a few added points to bring up now, especially the response from the Trump administration. Carolyn Levitt, et cetera, and many others. Tulsi Gabbard put out a statement saying that Donald Trump assessed the intelligence that she provided determined there was an imminent threat from Iran. She didn't issue a personal opinion on this for which people are criticizing her because she has previously sold T shirts saying nowhere with Iran. But more importantly, the administration is saying that Joe Ken had been cut off from intel related to Iran for leaking information. And they were quite upset about this. So he had been cut off from these meetings, which many people find shocking because he's one of the heads of counterterror and they were so concerned about him potentially leaking that they did not include him in these meetings. Then he ultimately resigns. I'm going to go ahead and say, I think this is. I think there's more personal issues here than most people are seeing on the surface.

[Roseanne]

I do, too.

[Tim Pool]

Joe Kent, previously, and look, he's been on the show several times. I got no personal issues with the guy. He had previously stated that Iran was trying to kill Trump. Clearly that would indicate an imminent threat. We on this show with many, many prominent individuals, even anti Israel individuals, we asked the question, if Iran succeeded in assassinating Donald Trump, should we go to war with them?

[Jake Pentland]

Of course.

[Tim Pool]

What would you say? Yes, yes, yes, yes, Unquestionably.

[Jake Pentland]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

And this was well before we engage in a military entanglements, like if Iran's. So we're talking about an imminent threat to the United States and you have an assassination plot that even Joe Kent agrees with. I find it then interesting when he comes out and says this is wrong and Israel is influencing us, they pose no immediate threat. Perhaps he would make the argument that upon assessment of the internal intelligence, there is no assassination threat against Donald Trump. Maybe that's the case considering we've already seen a couple and an individual who I believe was, he was Pakistani but apparently funded by Iranians. There is a threat that has been reported quite a bit that would indicate a threat. Then there are others that would say, well, our, our bases and our allies in the region being threatened by militia groups and the Houthi rebels, it's a direct threat to us from Iran. In which case I think that this is largely lacking nuance.

[Roseanne]

Well, they've killed our soldiers too, for

[Tim Pool]

a long time now.

[Roseanne]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Repeatedly in the region. I would just stress that based on what we're hearing internally and there are, there are, there's a lot of rumors, stuff that I can't necessarily report because I don't know how true it is. But they started fighting a while back, Joe Kent and others in the administration, resulting in, let's just call it, you know, a personal rift. And now he's come out and seemingly has an opinion counter to what he had previously stated. Sounds to me like he got iced out.

[Jake Pentland]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

So he's supposed to be this official, he's supposed to be brought in. He didn't win his congressional seat. They say for whatever reason they don't want him involved. Maybe it's because they think his opinions on going to war are bad. So they cut him out. Maybe it's cuz he's leaking. Seems like he gets upset about it. Makes the issue about Israel. When it seems like he was intending to leave the whole time.

[Jake Pentland]

I was gonna say I, it's funny you say that. Cause when I heard the story earlier today, I go, this sounds like very similar. I hope you don't get mad at me. But what happened with Whitney Cummings on the reboot of Roseanne? She was not asked back. A lot of people don't know this. She worked on the show. Her contract wasn't picked up. She was essentially fired because she was

[Roseanne]

just, you know, well, not renewed.

[Jake Pentland]

Right. Which is in Hollywood. So this is, this sounds to me like what happens in Hollywood a lot where there's a falling out, personal, you're fired. And to save face, you give that person an opportunity to either transition or say something like I need to go. And Whitney did that. Whitney left and said I have to leave. Because of Roseanne.

[Tim Pool]

Right. But they didn't cut a deal with Joe Ken on this one.

[Jake Pentland]

No, he took this on his own. This is my theory.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed.

[Jake Pentland]

Yeah. 100. And he's like, oh, I'll go with the anti Israel shit because that's hot right now and this will save face. But I was obviously out anyway because I'm, you know, they weren't happy.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. I think I, I described the anti Israel stuff as a mass formation psychosis.

[Roseanne]

Yeah, it is.

[Mackenzie]

Absolutely.

[Tim Pool]

I would say this, and I would assume you guys would disagree to a certain extent, but I think Israel has outsized influence on U.S. foreign policy. I think they have outsized influence on our Congress. And I think the US Tries to cater to Israel for the benefits it gets with the Suez Canal, the Red Sea, as well as our conflicts in the region. But that's a small portion. It's a large chunk of. But ultimately it is a. It is a minority of U.S. foreign policy. They got nothing to do with Greenland, Taiwan, Panama. They got nothing to do with Hawaii or the Chinese atolls or Australia. They've got nothing to do with, With South Korea. They have their interests, they influence us. But the US Largely tolerates it. One, because you've got evangelicals that support the messianic, you know, vision for, For Zion. But then you also just have the military industrial complex saying, we want access to the region, we want weapons in the region. And we have a. It's not just a military base. It is a country for which the US can house weapons.

[Jake Pentland]

Absolutely.

[Roseanne]

Just that. I mean, it's a Western ally. It's an outlying Western philosophy.

[Tim Pool]

There's partly a Western creation.

[Roseanne]

Well, for one thing, women's rights and civil rights. And it's a. Although they say apartheid, it's the most integrated place I've ever seen in my life.

[Tim Pool]

It's funny because you see a lot of people, liberals, leftists, gay rights for Palestine or whatever. And it's like, no, that's actually Israel. If you go to Israel, they're gonna let you live your life. Not, not, not Palestine. Or foxes.

[Jake Pentland]

No. They throw you off a roof.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed.

[Jake Pentland]

Rooftoppers. Who was that?

[Roseanne]

I don't know what's.

[Tim Pool]

What's really irksome to me is we have been tracking foreign policy on this show since the show's inception. I've been tracking it on my other morning, My other channels, my morning show. Since I've been doing media content. I, I've been. I was in Egypt during the revolution. I have a certain degree of experience, less so than Many others. But we have been tracking US Oil interests in the region on this show I've been doing my whole life because of the Iran. I'm sorry, the Iraq war and the. And the war in Afghanistan. And Iran is a component of this because they disrupt the liberal economic order and the petrodollar system. What's irksome to me is that there are people who have watched this show and have learned everything about Joe Biden's illicit dealings with Burisma in Ukraine because they're competing with Russia for natural gas.

[Roseanne]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

The removal of Bashar Al Assad has to do with getting natural gas into Europe. And then one day in the past six months, for seemingly no reason, all of that gets ripped from their minds like they're pulling it out with a magic wand in Harry Potter. And it gets replaced by. Actually everything's been Israel the whole time, ignoring Joe Biden, sending his son, we presume, to be a board member, along with a CIA director of an energy company in Ukraine to offset Russia's Gazprom gas monopoly. Now they go, no, it's Netanyahu. And I'm like, he literally has nothing to do with what's going on.

[Jake Pentland]

They did that with 911 too. In the inside, of course.

[Tim Pool]

Of course.

[Jake Pentland]

Everything is replacing it with the Jews. It's like this catch. It's like the flat earth.

[Tim Pool]

I think it's conspiracy theory.

[Mackenzie]

People are just desperate to have a simple answer to really, really complex, scary problems. Yes, it's what all conspiratorial thinking is. I mean, some conspiracies are real, but people just want to be able to have something they can point out. They would rather live under a scary world, domineering cabal as an idea than decentralized chaos. Even though the reality.

[Roseanne]

I think they would rather resurrect medieval lies than actually know who's in charge of what. Because they wouldn't like to know the truth. They absolutely would not like to know

[Mackenzie]

what is the truth.

[Roseanne]

Well, the truth is that the Royal British Empire is behind all of it.

[Mackenzie]

Oh, no.

[Ian Crossland]

Let's go.

[Tim Pool]

Let's do it.

[Ian Crossland]

Tell me about it.

[Roseanne]

And that is what Trump has pretty much kicked in the guts of. And that's because of Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein and all the banks of City of London. That's what's really coming down. And of course, Iran is a great, you know, money laundering center of all,

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[Roseanne]

And it sells, you know, 20% of its gas to China. So Trump has put them all, including Cuba. He's put their whole network that nobody ever talks about because they don't want to know the truth of how it's just British imperialism. Standard Oil is a better word for it than British imperialism. They'll go anywhere for the oil. They'll make up fake states all over the world and then sell weapons to both sides of every skirmish because they make money for their stock markets. Housed in Basel, Switzerland, at the bank of International Settlements, where they decide and fund every war. Because they make money on war. They are the military, industrial, pharma, whatever, medical, every. They are consolidated raw power. And they are royal and, you know, come on.

[Mackenzie]

But which.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, I got one.

[Mackenzie]

Which members of the British royal family, because maybe I could see that being true like 80 plus years ago when all this stuff was kicked off. But from what I can tell, the British royal family is pretty damn neutered. They're not doing much

[Roseanne]

of President Trump.

[Tim Pool]

Explain why everything's kind of falling apart. They're neutered.

[Jake Pentland]

Yeah, right.

[Mackenzie]

No, but I think they were neutered like 20, 30 years ago. Long before Trump. Long before Trump.

[Tim Pool]

And in the past 20 or 30 years, things have been degrading internationally and

[Mackenzie]

I think we need to be careful. It's more complex than that. Again, it's like we don't. Same issue that the, the anti Semites are making, blaming Jews for everything. I. We need to be careful not to fall into the same problem.

[Roseanne]

No, we can easily blame the banks of the city of London. Absolutely.

[Mackenzie]

I think that's more true. I agree with that. More than the, than the royal family, specifically.

[Roseanne]

But the royal family, you know, is the front office for that. Let's be real.

[Mackenzie]

I think it's. It's involved. It has historic. Yes. It has tendrils everywhere. But it's just there's no one, I think, competent enough to be doing that. Most of them are just sort of like they're in a kind of retirement home. Generally, the entire royal family, the prominent

[Roseanne]

members, like the royals of this world, own the central bank of all central banks. Which royals are all royals?

[Jake Pentland]

Not just uk?

[Roseanne]

Not just uk.

[Mackenzie]

Okay, maybe.

[Roseanne]

And they're all related to each other too. There's about 13 families of them.

[Tim Pool]

To this next story. We've got this to get back onto the Joker story. This should be independent. They say even right wing podcasters are using Joe Kent's resignation as proof of the fractured MAGA movement. Oh boy, I love this. It says, quote, the MAGA coalition is shattered. Tim Dillon, host of the Tim Cast, wrote on X in response to Kent's announcement, Trump can say I am MAGA all he wants, and it may be true, but lost support means MAGA is meaningless. Heavens me, Tim Dillon, what did you say? And then we have this clip from Ms. Now listen to this, their daily fare.

[Roseanne]

And so these people matter because gone

[Tim Pool]

are the days when endorsements or normal

[Roseanne]

political things make a difference in an election or issues.

[Mackenzie]

Heaven forbid.

[Roseanne]

These people we're talking about are why Trump wins the second time. And for Tim Pool, who's one of them, to call Hagset the war criminal. That's not breeze past that.

[Tim Pool]

It's not nothing, but I, I, it's not nothing and it's important, but I, I just, it kind of goes back to a slightly earlier part of the conversation you're talking. Never in my life have I called Pete Hegseth a war criminal.

[Jake Pentland]

That was Tim Dillon.

[Tim Pool]

It was Tim Dillon. So apparently if you have a show with the name Tim in it, you are the same person all the time. And so I have called on Ms. Now to issue a retraction and a apology for that egregious lie. Secretary of War Pete Hagseth is a gentleman and a scholar. I know a lot of people don't like him, but I have a tremendous respect for him. Though I do have reservations about our involvement in Iran. I am not going to be hard extreme on one side or the other for the sake of attracting viewership or otherwise. I'm going to tell you the truth. And the truth is this. The MAGA coalition is fractured. Now, does that mean that MAGA is broken or dead? No, it means that the group of people that referred to them as MAGA still do. The group of people that refer to themselves as Republicans still do. And they still support Donald Trump and what is going on. But we've got poll after poll showing that independents are breaking from Trump over this issue, with Tim Dillon being a good example. But more importantly, he's always been kind of anti Trump. Joe Rogan as sort of this representation of the middle ground of the regular guy. YouGov says more independents disapprove of how Trump is handling Iran than did so last week. It is getting bad among independents.

[Roseanne]

Well, they're idiots. I mean, they're just complete idiots. So. Well, no, the people you mentioned, I mean, do they really think that it's up to them? That they have a choice of who's going to kill their ass or not?

[Tim Pool]

I mean, they're stupid of who's gonna, who's gonna kiss who's ass.

[Roseanne]

Kill their ass. Kill them. I mean, okay, you know, I really don't think we should enter this war with Iran. Iran's gonna kill you. You don't have a choice.

[Tim Pool]

But how would Iran strike the United States? I understand our military assets in the region and I understand shutting down oil trade in the Gulf, but to the contiguous United States, I don't see Iran being a threat.

[Roseanne]

You don't think that anyone came over here during the Biden years from that part of the world?

[Tim Pool]

Oh, indeed.

[Roseanne]

For terror that are just waiting for some kind of a cue.

[Tim Pool]

So, so then we need domestic reinforcement to weed them out and get rid of them. Striking Iran doesn't change that. In fact, it would trigger the sleeper cells, which is what we're concerned about.

[Roseanne]

So again, no, I don't think so.

[Tim Pool]

So the sleeper cells would attack. They won't attack us if we attack Iran or they will attack us if we attack Iran.

[Jake Pentland]

I think they're going to attack us

[Roseanne]

either way, the closer we get to the midterms. But because Democrats like the chaos to cover, you know, they're cheating. But we don't have a choice. In my mind, in my opinion, America doesn't have a choice whether to enter into war with Nazi Germany or not.

[Tim Pool]

Well, what do you mean by that?

[Roseanne]

Because Iran is Nazi Germany and if they get a nuclear weapon, which they probably already have, there's nukes missing. I mean, they've got to be taken out that regime, not the Iranian people who I love.

[Tim Pool]

I love them, but I will stand by that. Independent voters are not happy with it. They are breaking from Trump. We've seen more than one poll showing this. And this means the Republicans in the midterms are in serious danger. Now, if the Republicans believe this is truly justified, they have not sold it effectively to the swing voter.

[Roseanne]

That's true.

[Tim Pool]

That then Democrats are going to get in. They are going to be pro Iran, they're going to shut everything down. Trump's going to lose power. He'll be constrained, and then all of this is for naught.

[Roseanne]

I don't think so. I think Trump is smarter than almost everybody put together. I really do. I trust him. I think he's really smart. I like how he's playing some kind of a chess game with various countries. And he has removed the power, the cult power, in a lot of places that add up to being in America's favor. And I think he is trying to rid the west of its genocidal enemies. And they're everywhere. And I think it does start in Iran. And also I think the more time goes on and we hear more about China's involvement with Iran and Venezuela and all these things about our elections, I think people by the midterms are going to get it. They're going to get it better than they do now. And I think that the economy is going to go up by then, too.

[Tim Pool]

I want to segue this a little bit into the podcaster feuding and something that's going on. And I know you guys were eager to talk about James Lindsay earlier. So he had a post in response to my post to which I said, the MAGA coalition is shattered. Trump can say, I am MAGA all he wants. And it may be true, but lost support means MAGA is meaningless. Let me explain what I mean by that. Trump won 49.8% of the vote in 2024. And he succeeded with the help of libertarians and disaffected liberals.

[Roseanne]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

These people are breaking. Dave Smith was the front runner for the Libertarian Party. He decided not to run for office because he had family concerns and security concerns. They ended up nominating a gay Communist for the Libertarian Party. And so these Libertarians broke and voted for Donald Trump. Trump came and spoke the Libertarian convention, but most of these people, even Clint Russell, who was. Who was running to be VP with, I believe with. Not with Dave, but he was running to be vp. It was going to be with Dave. He is very, very not critical of Donald Trump. He is losing this, this coalition, which was never just Republicans. Now, I. Now obviously, it's fair to say, as I've covered on my channel and the show, Republicans overwhelmingly support this former never. Trumpers are now pro Trumpers. And the. The core Republican Maga base is 100% behind Trump on this. So they're enjoying about 90% support. But again, Joe Rogan's been relatively critical. He says some people feel betrayed. You've got Dave Smith who's come out very heavy against Trump over this, and that's a small percentage indeed of Trump's overall vote. But if MAGA doesn't have this coalition, the well organized Democrat machine will succeed because the right's going to be worn down. Now, James Lindsay responded to my post saying, haha, podcasters showing that yes, Republicans support Trump, but this is not a poll about the coalition of former liberals, libertarians, the politically disaffected in general, and Republicans together. It is literally just highlighting that Trump supporters and Republicans overwhelmingly support Donald Trump. Now I will stress this, even among MAGA supporters, he's got 6% disapproval and among Republicans, 12% disapproval, which again, if the election were held today at those numbers with a loss of independence and with, with double digit loss of Republicans. Kamala Harris, she only lost by about 1 point, like 1.4 points in the popular vote. Don't get me wrong, she lost every single swing state. But she would have, she would have taken the popular vote at least. And this, she's a terrible candidate, by the way. So they were not going to win. But this is, this is apocalyptic. For the midterms, James Lindsay is doing this, in my opinion, to manipulate, as is his MO and always has been, infiltrate a group, convince them to say stupid things. That way you disrupt their support base. So Trump supporters who are following this guy and believe what he is saying are going to lose the midterms. When I would like to point out, my intention has always been to adequately inform you of what is going on. And if you are a Trump supporter and you are a diehard MAGA and you want Trump to win, you need to pay attention to the fact that independent voters are breaking from Trump over this. And if you follow James Lindsay, he is lying to you to lull you into a false sense of security, to believe that Trump is doing better than ever and can't lose. Because then the libs are going to win in the midterms and they're going to cut Trump's power off.

[Jake Pentland]

I love James Lindsay. You and I have, we've never thought about it, but we've talked about it quite a few times. He is the one that by all accounts termed woke. Right, Right. Like that's the thing, he made it

[Tim Pool]

an incomprehensible term that cannot, cannot be used in any meaningful way. So there was a woke, Right, that was used among disaffected liberals to Describe an element of the right that have a mass formation psychosis and believe in critical theory and oppressed versus oppressor and things of this nature. And then James Lindsay infiltrated, destroyed that and now it's an incomprehensible term that you cannot use to describe anything.

[Jake Pentland]

Well, the reason I ask you that is because a lot of the independents and libertarians that are leaving the party, I see a correlation with the woke. Right. Whether you believe they're real or not, as the driving force behind that. And why I always defend James Lindsay because he's the one that's been calling attention to that group. Because that's where I think it is split. I think the independents are leaving en masse because of Israel.

[Roseanne]

Yeah.

[Jake Pentland]

And all the woke. I think he's onto it. I know you and I disagree on Lindsay, but that's why I love him. Because it's like, hey, these are the people that are splitting maga. This is an infiltration of maga.

[Tim Pool]

No, James Lindsay is that. Do you think that it is beneficial to the Republican Party to, to be convinced that Trump is.

[Jake Pentland]

No, I know.

[Tim Pool]

So, so, so here, let me pull up this list that I absolutely love. Every conservative James Lindsay has called woke. Right. And you've got random foreigners, traditional Catholics, Christian nationalists, philosophers, miscellaneous right wing individuals like Joshua Lysik.

[Jake Pentland]

His list could be incorrect, but the idea I'm talking about, about the Woke right.

[Tim Pool]

Divine McIntyre, my favorite.

[Jake Pentland]

I think he's got a claim to it. I think he's right.

[Tim Pool]

Let me stress this, look at.

[Roseanne]

They're all Jew haters. I think that's what to me, that's what woke. Right.

[Tim Pool]

Mary Morgan works for my company and is a pop culture dictator. And James Lindsay called her woke. Right?

[Jake Pentland]

Yeah, that's incorrect.

[Tim Pool]

Half of this is incorrect. I am warning you right now. The man's MO is to infiltrate groups, convince them to say dumb things. And if you are blind to the fact that he is poisoning your worldview to all of these people, all the people who follow these individuals, you're going to lose. And he is intentionally doing.

[Jake Pentland]

You think it's an infiltration.

[Tim Pool]

What is he famous for? What is James Lindsay famous for?

[Jake Pentland]

Anti communist, I suppose.

[Tim Pool]

I'm infiltrating feminist and Marxist.

[Ian Crossland]

That's right.

[Tim Pool]

His letters, academic papers to trick them into publishing incomprehensible nonsense. He is a self admitted liberal. He does not like conservatives and he has publicly stated national conservatism is the final boss.

[Jake Pentland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

He does not like Marxists. He is a. He is a traditional liberal Social lib. He doesn't like the Marxists and he doesn't like the conservatives. So he is infiltrating both groups to get them to say stupid things and people just blindly march behind him. And so here we have him. Clearly he hates Donald Trump, convincing his, his, his base. I don't, I don't, I don't know where the two.

[Roseanne]

I always hear him talking great about Donald Trump.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, we trade the group, trick them into saying stupid things, and then they lose. That's what he's. He always does. So now as the Iran. So I will stress this. Donald Trump is minus 6% among MAGA supporters.

[Jake Pentland]

Not good.

[Tim Pool]

He has dropped 4 points among MAGA supporters since the last poll and he is facing a 12% disapproval among Republicans on the issue of Iran. But what I'm saying, this is not good for Trump.

[Jake Pentland]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

Hold on. But the point is this. You look at those numbers and you say, hey, look, 80, 87% support. That is fantastic. What they're not telling you, whether you're

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[Tim Pool]

Included with prime is that the moderates who put Trump over the edge are breaking away from him. And James is intentionally. Look at my point. My point is MAGA can't win without its coalition.

[Roseanne]

That's true.

[Tim Pool]

Democrats know this. All the same, you've got to win the middle of the road.

[Roseanne]

I see what you mean.

[Tim Pool]

James Lindsay is again, doing what he always does. He's going to lull you into a false sense of security. And with sentiment like this, the Republicans will lose the midterms.

[Jake Pentland]

We should have James just, just.

[Mackenzie]

I don't have a strong opinion on him either way. But just an alternative hypothesis that came to mind is that he is just a. Basically like a, a pathological contrarian and is like allergic to what whoever has the dominant power. Because if we've seen him flip flop. Right. There are just some people who are like that.

[Tim Pool]

I would, I entertain that and say quite possibly, except his MO has consistently been infiltrate organizations, trick them into saying stupid things and then watch them immolate themselves. So that's how he got started. He worked. So here, here's what I see with this guy. And, and congratulations. Getting more airtime. He's so desperate for it. He, he works in academia and he gets upset that it's being taken over by Marxist ideology. Yeah, he's a social liberal. He's in a polyamorous relationship and he talks about how he and his daughter go check out chicks together and stuff like this. This is a traditional social liberal view that it's not overly leftist, you know, no trans in the kids and stuff, but sexual liberation, feminism, et cetera. The conservative movement opposes those things. He doesn't want either the Marxists or the conservatives to win. So the first thing he does is he infiltrates the Marxists, makes them look like morons by publishing Mein Kampf, but the words are feminist terminology instead of Nazi terminology.

[Jake Pentland]

Hilarious. He read some of them to us.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. And the conceptual penis. And we all laughed because he was targeting Marxists. Then he started doing the exact same thing to conservatives, publicly stating he's doing it to destroy them. But see, the thing is, he gloats at the fact that they are not smart enough to actually read what he's saying. And he talks about it. The woke. Right term he said was coined to create a catch all to attack any conservative so he can put them under an umbrella. He literally says this. He tweeted out that national conservatism is the final boss. Not woke right, not anti Israel. He's trying to destroy conservatism because the way he wants to live is open marriages, polyamory, and sexual liberation. And that's fine if you believe in those things, you're allowed to have those opinions. My only point is, if James was an honest actor and said, I do not want a conservative Christian world. I do not want a conservative Christian country. I want to be in an open relationship and I want to watch my daughter, you know, do our stepdaughter or whatever. I think his stepdaughter actually hates him or something. But if you want to live that world, just say it. Tricking conservatives so that they immolate themselves is despicable.

[Roseanne]

Can I just say, let me ask you, because I'm listening to you and I get it, but isn't that what Tucker and Candace are doing too?

[Jake Pentland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Well, there's. The thing about Candace is that she is quoted as saying, I believe whatever the people believe. So I would say her motivations largely are she just wants to be on top of the mountain. Although I have questions about how she's married to a British lord and her lawyers work in the same building as federal agents. By her own admission, that's pretty strange. Tucker I find to be interesting in that he seems to have undergone a massive flip over the past several months. The thing about Tucker, though, is Largely he's a guy with opinions. And if his opinions are bad, I say, then you've got bad opinions. I disagree with Tucker on a lot of things. I disagree with Dave Smith, but I'm not going to condemn, condemn someone just for having opinions.

[Roseanne]

Well, do you think Tucker is trying to trick conservatives?

[Tim Pool]

What I would say is I lean in the direction on some things because

[Roseanne]

he sounds like a Democrat too.

[Tim Pool]

Now he does. I question when he said that Mossad was caught planting bombs in Qatar and Saudi Arabia, which has never been reported. There's no indication of that ever happening nor evidence. And it's been denied by these governments who seemingly are, you know, have no like, I mean we are working the United States with these countries and Israel. So the argument then is that they're covering up for Israel. But if they're covering up for Israel, they support Mossad planting bumps. The story just doesn't make sense.

[Jake Pentland]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

Then he came out and said the CIA was planning a criminal referral against him to which the White House said that's not true and it didn't happen.

[Jake Pentland]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

So I don't know who his sources are, but they seem bad. What I can say of Tucker Carlson right now is I disagree them to a certain degree. But he's allowed to be critical of Israel. He's allowed to oppose the war and apparently has very bad sources. Now James Lindsay, he's done this in the past, he's doing it again. And he lies about me as well. Candace Owens lies about me. Very different from Tucker. Candace Owens claimed my brother, my brother tried to kill me, which is an egregious lie. And people just believe this.

[Roseanne]

Yeah, I don't believe anything.

[Tim Pool]

I will tell you this. There is an Israel derangement syndrome. And there, let me, let me put it like this. I have gone on 20 minute tirades about the past 20 years of US Middle Eastern policy pertaining to the petrodollar on this show with sources and facts. We've played the videos from Obama and Joe Biden and then for some reason in the last six months people's brains flat out of their heads and they decided everything that we've already proven to them and exposed doesn't matter anymore. Joe Biden is innocent of all wrongdoing. It was Israel the whole time. So when Joe Biden gets 10% for the big guy and Tony Bobulinski comes out and says they were cutting illicit deals and they have a CIA director working in an energy company in Ukraine and they removed Bashar Al Assad because he wouldn't let us build a gas pipeline. And Tulsi Gabbard calls this out eight years ago. And we have tracked these stories. And Obama was arming isis, well, some say inadvertently, because he wanted these terror groups to destabilize the Assad regime. All of that gets erased and they go, israel put a Jew in control of Ukraine to build a corridor. And I'm like, yeah, that's never been supported any of the intelligence reports. Not even Russia has been claiming that. Or China. Like, when you look at these foreign countries, like the BRICS nations, they will outright say the United States is lying about Bashar al Assad because he would not allow them to build a gas pipeline to compete with Russia. So they armed terrorists to kill him. And they removed Muammar Gaddafi from Libya because he wanted to trade oil and gold dinars and create an African union. All of that gets erased. And now it's just Israel did it.

[Jake Pentland]

And that's not coming from Lindsey. Not to go on a James Lindsay defense tour, but that's coming from Candace and Tucker.

[Mackenzie]

Absolutely.

[Tim Pool]

What does James Lindsay do when he posts?

[Jake Pentland]

Why are we not talking about the woke right? Why are you on Lindsey and because

[Tim Pool]

woke right isn't because James Lindsay creates environments like this in response to my tweet warning Republicans that independents are breaking. This is the kind of stuff that they're posting in response to James Lindsay equating me with the exact people you're criticizing. So why is it that James Lindsay is creating an environment where he's trying to loop me in with the people claiming that Israel is running the world? Could it be that when I warn Republicans, you are losing independence? James Lindsay is trying to make sure people don't listen to what I have to say.

[Jake Pentland]

It's plausible. Sure.

[Tim Pool]

Because James Lindsey's MO has always been infiltrate and destroy. And that's exactly what he's been doing and he's doing now. And I will stress this again, woke right is an incomprehensible term when you have Chris Ruffo thinking that Chris Ruffo's woke. Right.

[Roseanne]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

Chris Ruffo supports Israel. Mary Morgan is on pop culture crisis. Mary Morgan comments on Timothy Chalamet.

[Roseanne]

You off?

[Tim Pool]

No, this is the one example I'm making because it's a good home math. Homemath doesn't even talk about this. He does commentary on feminism. James Lindsay has attacked these people to create a catch all term by his own admission. I got to tell you guys, again, you need to just read what he talks about. He has publicly stated the Term woke right was created as a catch all term akin to alt right so that you can poison the well and lump everyone into the same category. Alt right originally was coined by individual, but was used by individuals to mean an alternative to the mainstream Republican party. And then the. The AP came out with the style guideline saying alt right means white nationalist.

[Roseanne]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Then retroactively they went to people like Mike, Mike Cernovich, who is not a white nationalist, and they found a tweet from six months before this and then said he admitted he's a white supremacist.

[Jake Pentland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

This is what James Lindsay admitted to doing. So the term woke Right.

[Jake Pentland]

What do you. What would you like us to call him?

[Ian Crossland]

Yes. So define woke in 15 words or

[Jake Pentland]

less or the people divide. The actual people dividing maga. Who are they?

[Tim Pool]

So when you're referring to.

[Roseanne]

Let's jump to Jew haters.

[Jake Pentland]

Well, yeah, sure. But that might just be the.

[Roseanne]

If it is a tool.

[Tim Pool]

So if you've got these people right here, which is Candace Owens, Brett Weinstein, Megyn Kelly, Nick Fuentes, Dave Smith, Glenn Greenwald, and Tucker Carlson.

[Jake Pentland]

Nazis.

[Tim Pool]

Call. Call him whatever you want. But that's what I call woke right has become incomprehensible thanks to James Lindsay. So when you say woke right to me, I say stop insulting my friends. And you go, oh my God, you're friends with woke right. I say I employ some of them.

[Jake Pentland]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

And then in your mind you're thinking Nick Fuentes. In my mind I'm thinking Mary Morgan. James Lindsay did that. He made it impossible for you to identify these people because initially moderates were pointing out a group of people that were utilizing similar thought processes. That is critical theory, the oppressed versus the oppressor and the idea of Jewish supremacy. But thanks to specifically not Constantine, you know, trigonometry guys, because they've been repeatedly referring to them, but specifically James Lindsay, when you say that word, it is meaningless now.

[Jake Pentland]

Okay, so let's come up with a new word.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, I think woke Jew hater.

[Roseanne]

Woke is almost like woke Jew hater, because that is what it is and that is just a raw. That's what power does.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I don't think that's what power

[Roseanne]

does when it's going to get exposed. It throws Jews as raw meat to the hungry dogs in the street. Because the Jews work. I'm talking about, you know, the Jews who work in banking and all that shit. Jews work for people who don't work. That's what people do not get. The middleman gets thrown and everybody Blames the middleman. Well, who's at the tippity top? Why do we never go there? Why do we never. Look at that?

[Tim Pool]

I tried.

[Ian Crossland]

It was, who owns BlackRock? I'm like, well, it's all the people that own State street on blackrock. I'm like, who owns State Street? All the people that own BlackRock. And it's this, like, cycle of owners that keep their names off the table.

[Tim Pool]

Look at who. Maybe it's James Lindsay, probably. Look who he published in direct response to my post, get out of the podcastistan bubble. Oh, I do not believe that anybody who watches my show where, quite literally, we had on Leonardo Joanie, where I said, I called her a retard. I did apologize for calling a retard. She's a retard because she blames Israel for any. For everything. Why would James Lindsay accuse me of being woke? Right.

[Jake Pentland]

Yeah, you're not woke. Right.

[Tim Pool]

Because he is trying to make the term incomprehensible. Okay, well, he is trying to, because he is an infiltrator. He is a liberal. I believe that he hates Jews. I believe that he. I believe he is just like the latter left. He hates Israel. He hates Trump, and he wants social liberalism back. He wants Pete Buttigieg to be president. He wants Gavin Newsom. He may not like them personally, but I tell you, this is a guy who would rather have Gavin Newsom than Donald Trump. But he knows you will not win by going to someone and advocating for Newsom, who's advocated for child sex changes. So if you want sexual liberation feminism. Let me put it like this. The reason why this is really easy for me to point out is that when I did nonprofit fundraising, the first thing I would train as a manager and one of the best in the country, you always must approach the individual you're trying to sell as them, right? So if you are in downtown Chicago, in the finance, in the financial area, and you see a guy wearing a suit and Ian walks up to him, that man's going to say, back the f off. But if you walk up to him wearing a suit and immediately reach for his hand and shake and say, sir, but a moment of your time and you behave like a businessman. You can sell him anything.

[Ian Crossland]

He wouldn't say that to me, by the way. He'd be like, get over here, and we'd hug.

[Tim Pool]

No, that's actually not what happened. However, if you want to go to Columbia a few blocks away and sign up, college kids, don't send a guy in a suit. Send Ian with A cane and a top hat, because every college kid's gonna stop them. James understands this. This is Social Engineering 101. In order to manipulate someone, you have to be them. So he approaches conservatives and says, I'm just like you. Feeds them disinformation, distorts their worldview, tricks them and disrupts. He did it to the left with the Marxists. He's doing it the conservatives now.

[Ian Crossland]

So I don't think woke right, is Jew hate. I think that people that are woke are easily manipulated into hating Jews.

[Jake Pentland]

I think it's a tool used. Yeah, it's people.

[Roseanne]

It's a tool. It's a tool of kings. It's always been the tool of kings to retain power.

[Jake Pentland]

It's divide and conquer.

[Roseanne]

That's why they're a scapegoat.

[Mackenzie]

Woke in general, I think is just people who are obsessed with identity as opposed to ideas. And they also conflate the underdog with being morally correct.

[Roseanne]

Right, that's true.

[Mackenzie]

And I think you can see that on both sides. The left obviously have been historically more doing it and arguably still more. But it's. It's just like. Yeah, it's like identitarianism.

[Roseanne]

I like identity, but I don't like when it's weaponized. To hoard a whole bunch of people into voting for something that's going to destroy.

[Tim Pool]

Woke is actually very easily defined. When you step back, everybody's often had a different definition for it. I've defined it as cult like adherence to social orthodoxy.

[Roseanne]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I think there's a much easier way to explain it. And woke represents the cultural identity of left. There are two cultural identities in the United States, the multicultural democracy and the constitutional Republic. We represent the constitutional Republic. Woke represents the multicultural democracy. Okay, they. They don't believe in the electoral college. They don't believe in this country. They believe the border should be open. Well, when it benefits them, they believe.

[Ian Crossland]

But like.

[Tim Pool]

And so when we. When we look to the things that. That please them, their aesthetic or otherwise, we call it woke. A good example of this I've incite is the Jaguar commercial, which was just postmodern art. Nothing about it was trans. It was just people dressed in weird clothes. But they called it Woke up and the car brand failed. Another example of this would be Concord, the video game, where it's the biggest media flop in the history of mankind. $400 million they made $0. The characters were all Woke, aesthetic with pronouns. Nobody wanted to buy it. Right. So this country has two countries within it. One, I believe is largely born from the Internet. So it's relatively. It's organized digitally but disorganized physically and they can easily coalesce in cities for riots and things like this. However, the bulk of this country is the constitutional republic. And so when you say something like woke right, all you're doing is referring to a different cultural identity that is not the dominant Republican party and it is not the left cultural identity. Unfortunately, as I already stressed, that word has become incomprehensible as literally everybody is woke.

[Jake Pentland]

Right.

[Ian Crossland]

I just, I see identitarianism on the left for sure with people being like, I'm part of the group. And then on the right when people are like, I'm a.

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[Ian Crossland]

I'm a Catholic. I'm like, well, what does that mean? What is your lifestyle? What do you think about at night? Like, what's your relationship like with your wife? Like, what do you mean you? And so people, they're like, they hide behind the badge of religion on the right as their woke identity and it drives people like me away from the movement. If you're not truly with God, like, don't.

[Tim Pool]

I don't find what you said to be comprehensive.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, like people that think they're part of the cult of the TV news on the left and people that think they're part of the cult of the church on the right are both equally woke. Like, if you don't have evidence to back up the data, you learned this through Covid. Don't say it's real.

[Tim Pool]

I think, I think I reject what you are saying because there's a big difference between the left deciding to sever the genitals of children and someone coming to a faith based justification for their worldview. So again, let me Stress the difference here. Someone says, I have witnessed things in my life that are hard to explain. I have developed a personal relationship with God. I'm going to have faith in the things that I find to be good, just or otherwise. And it is true that, that when you step outside of individuals, different people have different religions. And, and that is a challenge. But deciding to live your life based on faith, like, well, that's different than

[Roseanne]

just spouting what you know, your religious leader tells you you're supposed to spout.

[Tim Pool]

Well, let me, let me say it like this. There is no grand philosophical question over cutting off a child's breasts, a prepubescent girl. For someone who says, I have had deep contemplations about existence, spirituality. And I know it's hard to conclude, but I do believe to the best of my understanding that Christ is Lord, et cetera, et cetera. That's very different from someone being like, I don't know anything about it, but we should sterilize children.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, faith, of course the topics are different, but having, it's not having faith is the problem. It's the identitarianism that some people have when they don't even have faith. They'll say they do say it.

[Mackenzie]

They outsource their thinking to the group belief. That's, that's the, it's like low rung thinkers, you know what I mean? They're just, they're not people who are thinking from first principles. They're not people who are approaching things particularly rationally or at least they just outsource their beliefs to what the current thing is of their in group.

[Tim Pool]

I will say it like this if, actually, I shouldn't say if. When we brought on prominent liberal thought leaders to explain their position on gender, they had literally no answers and nothing made sense.

[Roseanne]

Sense.

[Tim Pool]

We have brought on numerous deeply religious people and theologians who have explained in great detail the structures of their worldview and why they believe what they do. Michael Knowles being one of the greatest examples who can talk, talk your ear through ad nauseam about his, his faith based moral worldview and his belief structures. But so again, I will stress we have brought on prominent liberal proselytizers of gender, ideology and Marxism and they cannot explain to you what they're talking about. They can't even define the words. Then you. We bring out a theologian and he explains his moral worldview around Christianity and the logos of the universe. His faith based structure rooted in historical accounts of various religions and, and what they have wrought as a country, meaning life has been good under These things, we have seen great success, developed our civilization and their historical accounts that I do agree with.

[Ian Crossland]

There's also woke scientists, people that are like, hey, if I don't. If I can't measure it, then it doesn't exist. End of story, bro. That's woke as. Just because you can't say, well, it's not.

[Tim Pool]

And I think definitions matter.

[Ian Crossland]

To have faith in something that you

[Tim Pool]

don't have faith is not woke.

[Ian Crossland]

It's believing that this is scientific.

[Tim Pool]

I think you have a chip on your shoulder about religion, scientific method.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm talking about now. People have.

[Tim Pool]

Yes. Putting the word woke in where the context of what we're discussing doesn't make sense.

[Mackenzie]

You're using woke synonymously with the word. With dogmatic. I think that's.

[Ian Crossland]

In this situation.

[Mackenzie]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think we just need to.

[Roseanne]

We.

[Mackenzie]

We just need to be careful not to like, overly expand it to basically all kinds of idiotic things.

[Ian Crossland]

No, when people believe the scientific method without.

[Mackenzie]

How can you prove that's dogma? Exactly. So that is like. It's like a really religiosity to that particular thing.

[Tim Pool]

Ian.

[Mackenzie]

I don't. But I think we're expanding. I think woke should stick tighter to. I agree, a sort of form of dogmatic thinking, but also more around identitarianism and.

[Tim Pool]

But let me.

[Ian Crossland]

Science. That was the whole identity of the scientific community.

[Tim Pool]

If you do not understand the explanation someone gives you, when they give you a logical explanation, it does not mean they are wrong or dogmatic. Right?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. But when someone says, I can't measure it, therefore it does not exist, I'm

[Tim Pool]

going to pause again and say there is a difference from woke, which we refer to on the left, where they say things like, a woman is an idea, which is a nonsense, that statement. And a theologian saying, God is the logos of the universe. And my belief is rooted in historical account, the trust I have in others, the readings of Scripture, the faith I have in the history of humanity as well as the science as it relates to these things. So again, if there's an individual who explains something that you don't understand, you can't just say it's dogma. And what I'm telling you right now is what I'm saying very specifically is we have brought on individuals like Michael Knowles who have. He has explained in great detail and with tremendous logic his worldview. And if you did not understand that, that doesn't mean he's wrong.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, I didn't say he was wrong. I said he means something without evidence, that's not true.

[Tim Pool]

You just. But also.

[Ian Crossland]

Are you defending Michael Knowles worldview?

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Ian Crossland]

You believe it.

[Mackenzie]

It.

[Tim Pool]

I don't have to believe it to defend his logic behind it.

[Ian Crossland]

You don't necessarily believe what he was saying was true.

[Tim Pool]

Michael Knowles has evidence.

[Ian Crossland]

Can I say evidence? I mean, there's.

[Tim Pool]

You just said he didn't have evidence.

[Ian Crossland]

It's real. I'm talking about enough evidence. Bordering proof is what I want.

[Tim Pool]

So he said proof.

[Jake Pentland]

Proof is different.

[Tim Pool]

And yes, you can't swath of evidence.

[Ian Crossland]

We have enough swath of evidence. And also gravity is magnetism. I think there's more evidence.

[Tim Pool]

You don't actually know. And this is the problem.

[Jake Pentland]

Look at.

[Ian Crossland]

This is your dogma at Maxwell's equation. If you want to do the math and watch it happen over and over again.

[Tim Pool]

Ian, I'm gonna say this again. Your understanding of these issues is blocked at like a certain level. And because I think you lack the perspicacity to understand why your worldview is identical to Michael Knowles in terms of your own argument. Oh, geez.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, what part of my worldview.

[Tim Pool]

Why do I ever tell you? You never actually did any of the experiments to prove that. That. That electrons exist, yet you are adamant they do. Then you would criticize Michael Knowles for having faith and calling it dogma and saying it's woke. I argue identically to you.

[Ian Crossland]

So you think science is woke also.

[Tim Pool]

Ian, when you get an electron microscope and track iron oxidization and hemoglobin. I will. I will believe your argument.

[Ian Crossland]

Like a thousand scientists that did it.

[Tim Pool]

What about a thousand priests?

[Ian Crossland]

I don't have an electron microscope.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. The point is you've never seen the proof of it, but you believe it is real. I've read a lot of scientists. Michael Knowles read a lot about religion.

[Ian Crossland]

Them scientific proof. They'll call it that.

[Tim Pool]

I'm gonna. I'm just taking.

[Roseanne]

Is not the same in the same ballpark as theology at all.

[Tim Pool]

The point I am making is Ian has never investigated any of the claims he's made about graphene, but he believes them. That's dog. That's a. I don't.

[Mackenzie]

I don't think that has to be dogma. Like you don't have to have physically done a test in order to. You know, there's a ton of stuff. You. You believe the way a car engine works. But you. Because you know that an engineer says it like it's okay to.

[Tim Pool]

And that is not my argument. My argument is do not criticize a learned theologian.

[Jake Pentland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

That you don't understand when you yourself has not sought to understand your own worldview. My point is, while I think it's fairly obvious, considering the monitor before my eyes, that LED screens and LCD screens exist and my cell phone transmits data, and I've actually personally built remote control objects, I understand the components behind these things, so I believe them to be true. Which means I will then infer largely that most of the engineering and science probably is true as well, because I've actually experimented with it. Then when I communicate with someone, like perhaps Michael Knowles, a great example of this, who explains in great detail why he believes what he believes. And it is logically sound, but it doesn't have. There's no like microscope vision of what God or logic is. The argument that he makes is that God is the logos of the universe. The logic that dictates everything that we exist in is in fact God. Ian, when you say I, that's dogma.

[Ian Crossland]

That's not magic. You call it logic. It's not logic to say that God is logic, therefore that's a logical statement. He has no proof or evidence of that.

[Tim Pool]

Dude, I, I think you, I think you last the comprehension. The comprehension to understand what I'm saying.

[Ian Crossland]

You just said he was making a logical conclusion that God is real based on the Christian faith.

[Tim Pool]

That's logical. You just said that was logical. He's saying, I don't think you have the comprehension to understand what I'm saying.

[Ian Crossland]

You just said that Michael knows making a logical argument about the theology of God.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, that's. It's.

[Ian Crossland]

It's not a logical statement. It's a faith based statement.

[Tim Pool]

Without he's no proof to point to. He's saying the word logic and God are interchangeable. Okay. But that doesn't make interpretation. Your interpretation misconstrues what he is saying. And you have not sought to understand his point. So you've called him woke or you've called it woke.

[Ian Crossland]

It's a way of thinking that I think of as.

[Tim Pool]

And I'm going to say one last time before we move to the save act, I implore you before deciding that something is true or not. You actually do the research.

[Jake Pentland]

Yeah.

[Roseanne]

Could I say one thing on that? Okay. I could say I believe I have $100 million in the bank.

[Ian Crossland]

Do you?

[Roseanne]

No.

[Tim Pool]

What about hard assets?

[Roseanne]

But I mean, I could say I believe. I could believe anything and say it gives me great comfort and therefore I believe it. But that isn't the same as proven fact.

[Tim Pool]

There are many things in science and mathematics that we haven't Proven. But we just know work for some reason.

[Roseanne]

Well, we know the sun comes up every day.

[Jake Pentland]

Gravity. No one knows what that is.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, they call it the theory of

[Ian Crossland]

evolution is also still a theory.

[Tim Pool]

Well, scientific. But that's a misunderstanding of what theory means. Well, scientific theory, yeah, but they are not.

[Jake Pentland]

Can I just, Can I say something real quick? Can we get back to the. The woke thing a little bit?

[Tim Pool]

Well, we're gonna go to the SAVE Act.

[Jake Pentland]

I just want to say I, I see the division as people that are over emotional and people are logical, which this debate is proving to me. That's the dividing line. Whatever Lindsay's talking about. Woke, right. Tucker, all this stuff when, when Gaza happened, it was like, oh, the children, the children. That was an emotional response for a lot of people. And I think that's the division. Some people are purely emotional and not logical and other people are logical and not emotional. And to me that's the divide.

[Tim Pool]

So it's actually masculine, which is why women overwhelmingly, overwhelmingly vote Democrats and men overwhelmingly vote Republican. Because whether sensitivity is largely. Well, there's a correlation between estrogen and testosterone. Agreeableness.

[Jake Pentland]

Let me just wrap this up. So the woke, right, Lindsay, whatever we want to call them, to me that's a conservative branch of maga that is over emotional and bitchy.

[Tim Pool]

I would just say less rational.

[Jake Pentland]

Okay, whatever. Yeah, whatever that.

[Roseanne]

To me, Girls.

[Jake Pentland]

They're girls. No, they are girls. Woke. Right? Are girls in the conservative movement.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, I will say if Candace Owens on It's just largely female. That's why she has the Stanley mug, you know, on her. Of course. That's why she talks about Blake Lively. Is that her name?

[Jake Pentland]

Like, yeah, she does gossip.

[Tim Pool]

It is a female gossip show.

[Jake Pentland]

But I'm not just talking geopolitics emotional. You're equating it to female, which I kind of agree. But I'm just talking emotional. Men can be over emotional too.

[Roseanne]

Indeed.

[Tim Pool]

But it's macro level politics. So it is predominantly feminine.

[Jake Pentland]

I think it is emotional. That's all I want to say.

[Ian Crossland]

Do you think that people that get to disagree.

[Mackenzie]

No, I mean women on average tend to be more agreeable. Feel. Yeah, they're definitely more agreeable. They're more feel based. But yeah, I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's. Women tend to think more about social cohesion. Men tend to think more about and, and care from that, that perspective. Which has arguments, by the way, like if, if there is no social cohesion, societies fall apart. Men tend to focus more on abstract linear things. This equals that. Therefore that indeed. And really, we just need healthy aspects of both. What is woke?

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[Mackenzie]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Mackenzie]

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[Jake Pentland]

It does seem to me that there is some awakening of a desire to act together to solve problems where they are.

[Tim Pool]

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[Mackenzie]

Join me Wednesdays on YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts. Woke to me is actually toxic femininity. What I think.

[Roseanne]

What?

[Mackenzie]

What I think. That's what I was trying to say. What's his name? James Lindsay. Although I know we don't. Okay, ignore him.

[Tim Pool]

Him.

[Mackenzie]

What The. The bad side. And I'm not going to mention it. Not James. But the bad side of. Of extreme conservatism is. Is toxic masculinity.

[Tim Pool]

But I will stress that these people

[Mackenzie]

toxic sides and both can have their healthy sides. So like the question is how do we just get more of the health and healthy.

[Tim Pool]

Glenn Greenwald is not a conservative. And Candace Owens is not a conservative.

[Mackenzie]

No, I don't.

[Tim Pool]

So it's not a right wing conservative.

[Mackenzie]

Owens is just a psychopath.

[Jake Pentland]

She's a demon.

[Mackenzie]

She's on earth.

[Roseanne]

Yeah, neither. He's not a conservative either.

[Tim Pool]

Well, you know, Tucker is a different beast in this regard. But I will stress Dave Smith's a libertarian. Glenn Greenwald is a. He's a. He's a social. He's a social liberal. Or I want to describe him as Candace Owens is. Whatever the clicks. This is by her own statements. Yeah, she is whatever the audience tells her to be.

[Mackenzie]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

So these are not conservatives. They're not right wing individuals. So again, woke right is a meaningless term.

[Mackenzie]

Yeah, I'm actually comparing.

[Jake Pentland]

Can we come up with a new term today then? Why we're all here. The stranger.

[Tim Pool]

Let's talk about the SAVE Act. And this is actually interesting as well. We've got this from the postmail. Ladies and gentlemen, huge news. The SAVE act has advanced in the Senate 51 to 48. And this is tremendous. It means they're going to waste our time for a week, won't get 60 votes, and then go, oh, geez, we tried. Because once again, they're going to spin in our face. I'm going to stress this. This. The SAVE act is one of the most popular pieces of legislation in our lifetimes, enjoying over 70% support among Democrats. That's 80among independents and 90among Republicans. Yet for some reason, liberal pundits and Democratic politicians are pretending nobody wants it. So Republicans, they could have nuked the filibuster and changed the rules, and this could have passed like that. But they're also playing dirty games and cutting backroom deals, and they're not going to pass a bill. I think the real reason is, is because what we have is a populist uprising. And the SAVE act legitimately would correct a good portion of our elections. Yes, but the RINO branch of the Republican Party and the Democrat Uniparty alliance want to be able to manipulate elections in ways we can't tell so they can maintain power. And this would disrupt that.

[Roseanne]

Well, they just want, you know, grift from the donors to keep that going. All it is is grift. They don't represent the people that they supposedly represent in the least. It's all about who's going to give me what to influence, what legislation I come up with. They're just prostitutes. They are in no way our governors, in any way our representatives, nor our governors. They all need to be called to justice.

[Tim Pool]

Called to justice. I want to ask you this because I think I can get an interesting point out of you guys. Do you think the. You refer to them as the ftards. We call them the Israel posters, the Jew posters. Do you think they should vote?

[Jake Pentland]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

I'm not saying whether they can, but I'm saying, do you think they should? Like that they should. Would you encourage them to go to a voting booth and vote?

[Roseanne]

Oh, my God. It's terrifying. And I think that all the time.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no. Hold on. I am not asking whether you think they should have their rights taken from them. No, I am asking you, would you personally go to Tucker and say, don't forget to vote, I'll drive you to the poll?

[Jake Pentland]

Definitely not, but they should be able to. Okay.

[Tim Pool]

You wouldn't do that.

[Ian Crossland]

No, you.

[Roseanne]

You won't build, but I know they're gonna vote. Probably.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, but this is not. This is not my point.

[Roseanne]

What are you asking me? Would I help them vote?

[Jake Pentland]

Would you encourage.

[Tim Pool]

Would you encourage Them to vote. No, but hold on. That means there is a legitimate opinion of people in your country that's not being represented when you don't tell them to vote. Well, of course we're not going to advocate for people that we think are stupid, right. To go and vote because it would be bad for the country.

[Jake Pentland]

Electoral College.

[Tim Pool]

So I say it like this.

[Roseanne]

They should have. They should go back to the days where they used to have an IQ test before you can vote. And everybody was all up in arms. Okay, that was because people.

[Tim Pool]

But it wasn't an IQ test.

[Roseanne]

Whatever it was, it was culturally horrible because they had had all this other stuff about depriving people. So they couldn't.

[Tim Pool]

The questions were.

[Roseanne]

But right now there should be some kind of intelligence test. If you are for the destruction of your own family's life, then you shouldn't vote. You shouldn't be allowed to vote.

[Tim Pool]

So now let's go back to the SAVE Act.

[Roseanne]

Do you, do you think don't agree?

[Jake Pentland]

No, I.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I'm asking you a question to get to the point of what you're saying. Okay, so now think. So George Carlin famously said, think about how stupid the average person is. Now realize half of them are stupider than that. I understand the Democratic Party. I understand why Adam Schiff lies on tv. I want understand why he's lying in the media. I understand why The MSNBC or MSNBC lied about me. Because they have decided the American people are too stupid so they have to be told what to do and manipulated. And the populist uprising is speaking genuinely to people. The reason they don't want to pass the SAVE act is because these people are going, are you nuts? Do you have any idea what this country would look like if these retards actually voted? So they don't want the American people to actually have the ability to vote.

[Ian Crossland]

Right?

[Tim Pool]

Because in their minds, the way you feel about Tucker and Candace, they feel about everybody, or at least the majority. So they want to have a system they can manipulate to make sure Candace Owens can't lead a grassroots uprising and get a politician in. They don't want AOC getting elected 10 times 10.

[Jake Pentland]

Also they want to get elected.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I'm saying they want to get elected because they're smarter than you and they know it.

[Jake Pentland]

Well, like when, when all this voter fries.

[Roseanne]

I don't get that at all. I'm not able to follow.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, My point is this. If you could, if, if everyone in this country one day, if you woke up one day and Tucker Carlson was standing in D.C. and literally 70% of voters in the country were all screaming, tucker, Tucker. And they're about to vote for him. Would. Would you. And you had the ability to press a button that would make it so that the votes wouldn't count. Would you press the button? Yeah, that's my point. The. These. The Republicans and the Democrats are pressing that button to make sure these people are super delegates.

[Ian Crossland]

They get to do that too.

[Jake Pentland]

No, it's true. And also when. When we were getting in all the election fraud, the Biden's 81 million votes, a lot of the people that cheated, no one ever talked about it on our side were Republicans, like Lindsey Graham, I believe, cheated. So I think this is for them to also stay in power. It is a uni Party thing. And we all were on election integrity and blah, blah. Our side cheats too. Right.

[Roseanne]

The last thing they want is election integrity. The last thing any of the people who get voted for. That's what I think want is a way not to cheat so they can get rich and not cu.

[Jake Pentland]

They think because they want to stay in power.

[Tim Pool]

The reason they got the. The. The. The literacy tests were not actually literacy tests. They were riddles meant to make it impossible for people to vote. Yeah, because people.

[Roseanne]

No, I know. It was. It was racist and all that.

[Tim Pool]

Let me pull it up right now.

[Roseanne]

You just asked this question. You just asked this question, do you crap where you eat? And they go, yeah, I do it all time. Okay, well, you're unable to vote.

[Tim Pool]

So here's an example of a literacy test.

[Roseanne]

That's it. Right?

[Tim Pool]

And it's draw a line to the letter below that comes earliest in the Alphabet. Z, V, S, B, D, M, K, I, T, P, H, C. And you're like, okay, draw a line through the two letters below that come last in the Alphabet.

[Jake Pentland]

Y and Z.

[Tim Pool]

In the first circle below, write the last letter of the first word beginning

[Roseanne]

with L. It's just to confuse people on purpose.

[Mackenzie]

The first circle below, right there, write

[Tim Pool]

the last letter of the first word beginning with L. The first word where in this sentence? The first word in this test?

[Jake Pentland]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

What does first word refer to? So here's the thing. You could say, okay, the first word in the whole task that began with L, do what you were told to do in each statement. Nothing more, nothing less. Okay, so it's the first letter of the first word beginning with confused. And I'm with the last one. So it's S. Wait, it could be E. Wait, it could be T. And they can decide to Say no. No, it didn't say in the sentence. It's at the first word, up top. And then if you go up top, they'll be like, what are you doing? The question was down there.

[Mackenzie]

It's horribly formulated.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Yes. They were intentionally designed to make it confusing so people couldn't vote.

[Mackenzie]

That's messed up.

[Roseanne]

What do you think of this, though? You ask everybody, do you crap where you Right. Were the same place where you eat? And then they go, yeah. And then you go, well, you are unable to vote.

[Tim Pool]

Well, the question is, Liv, I have a question for you. If you did not eat breakfast yesterday, how would you have felt?

[Mackenzie]

If I did not eat, I would have felt hungry.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed, that's the correct answer.

[Mackenzie]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

There was a viral meme that said when they had psychologists go into prisons, they were doing evaluations on many of these murderers, and they found that many of these violent criminals could not comprehend conditional hypotheticals. So they asked the question, if you did not eat breakfast yesterday, how would you have felt? They would respond with, but I did eat breakfast.

[Mackenzie]

Oh, geez. Okay.

[Tim Pool]

And they would say, yes, but what if you did not eat breakfast? They'd go, what are you talking about? I had breakfast. And it's like, I'm asking you if you did not. And they'd be like, this is insane. I don't understand. And they found low IQ people can't understand hypothetical questions.

[Mackenzie]

They just can't do abstract thought, basically.

[Jake Pentland]

Yeah, I know the question. Do you believe Joe Biden got 81 million votes?

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Jake Pentland]

If you say yes, you're out.

[Tim Pool]

No, you're wrong because he did.

[Jake Pentland]

No, But I mean 81 million legitimate votes.

[Tim Pool]

What do you mean by legitimate?

[Ian Crossland]

That's different.

[Jake Pentland]

People actually clicked for Biden.

[Roseanne]

81 million living humans at work.

[Jake Pentland]

Not counted people, actually.

[Tim Pool]

So the first thing I would say is the mistake Republicans made.

[Jake Pentland]

Different people. Sorry.

[Tim Pool]

Yes. The mistake Republicans made was assuming that China was manufacturing ballots to steal the election, when instead Democrats were mass printing ballots and then sending ballot harvest to go ballot harvesters to go collect them. Then when it came to signature verification, they were very lax on the signatures. And the reason why there were limited down ballot votes is because they'd go and knock on a door and say, just check for Joe Biden and then hand off the ballot. And they were collecting them all. And James o' Keefe caught them dropping off the ballots they were collecting. He James o' Keefe filmed at a nursing home, old people saying, the Democrats come here and tell us all to check the box and hand them the ballot. So then when they said they're all fraudulent, nobody could prove it.

[Jake Pentland]

Right?

[Tim Pool]

Because they were. They were. Well, it was Covid. It was a different time. And universal mail in votes. So when everyone's like, how did Joe Biden do so well? And Kamala Harris didn't. They didn't have Covid this time.

[Mackenzie]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

I told Steve Bannon, this, this guy I know, he's a skateboarder, dumb as a boxer, Rocks. Has no business being in politics at all. Filmed himself dropping off a belt to a mailbox saying, we all got to do our part. And if you asked him what a Supreme Court justice was, he would assume it was a law. These people voted now 2024 came around. They did not have that advantage or opportunity, so they did not get the same benefits.

[Jake Pentland]

So you're saying 81 million people actually clicked Joe Biden. 81 million separate people.

[Tim Pool]

I would, I would argue. Well, first I would say this, that if you believe literally 100% of the votes are legitimate, that's just not. Not true. But I would argue that the margin of error is substantially smaller than you actually think. And they cheated through ballot harvesting, not through printing fake ballots.

[Ian Crossland]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

They probably trashed Trump votes. Like they misplaced boxes of Trump votes and they ballot harvested boxes of Biden votes.

[Roseanne]

That's the whole Tina Peters thing. She's still in prison for.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, because Democrats are crooked.

[Jake Pentland]

What happened with that?

[Roseanne]

She took a picture of the way the machine was before they inspected it. And it was different before and after. And then she got charged with being a traitor. She was a gold star mother.

[Tim Pool]

Let's jump to the story from the Blaze. Former Biden staffer angrily rips into Democrat controlled cities for spiraling into cast. Is this a joke? I don't know if you guys saw the big story. We've got this. We'll play it right here for you guys.

[Mackenzie]

Another team meeting upturned mob has police calling on parents.

[Tim Pool]

It's not letting us full screen so let's. Let's open it on YouTube. Parents to step up involving violence but thankfully nobody was seriously hurt. Let's get to Stephanie Ramirez.

[Jake Pentland]

She has more details from Navy yard this morning.

[Tim Pool]

Stuff.

[Mackenzie]

There has been an increased police presence here at Navyard all morning that we've been seeing is still this incident though we can tell you there were laws changed this past summer trying to address

[Roseanne]

what been going on really since the pandemic. Now this is some of the video

[Mackenzie]

showing the chaos that happened this past weekend shared to social media.

[Roseanne]

D.C. policing Saturday night mayhem included a

[Mackenzie]

15 year old firing a gun into

[Roseanne]

the air, getting stopped by the National Guard, one child getting robbed of their shoes and a jacket, another person going

[Mackenzie]

to the hospital after being assaulted and robbed, and a 16 year old taken

[Roseanne]

into custody after Secret Service says they

[Mackenzie]

stopped a ride share vehicle and saw the teenager try to ditch a gun from that vehicle.

[Roseanne]

We're told groups of teens started to

[Mackenzie]

gather in the park near the Navy Yard Metro at around 6:30 Saturday night.

[Roseanne]

And then some two hours later the

[Mackenzie]

crowd had grown to around 200. Two weekends ago, Navy Yard was one of the areas designated as a juvenile curfew zone.

[Tim Pool]

Part of the newer law that limits

[Mackenzie]

the number of teens that can gather in a public space from 8 to 11 at night. And then.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, we get it, we get it. So over the weekend, 200 largely black male and slightly less black females rampage through the Navy Yard era area as they do quite frequently and caused lots of damage. Fights broke out, there were several arrests and one of the individuals fired a gun several times. It may have been the same individual, but someone was caught trying to ditch a gun. We've also had a shooting or I believe there, there may have been shots fired in Daytona Beach. Again, overwhelmingly young black males with some black females. And I highlight that because this is the issue that we are dealing with right now. The phenomenon we are seeing of raids on stores and these teen meetups are predominantly coming from the black community. Now of course this is generating a ton of racism online where the response is overtly about race as opposed to the crime. I would argue, whatever you think, how do we as a society solve for this problem when the laws don't change anything and the department store raids, the mall raids and the teen meetups are always young black men.

[Roseanne]

I think the Democrats should stop paying them to do that.

[Tim Pool]

They're paying them to do it.

[Mackenzie]

They're not paying them to do it.

[Tim Pool]

The DA's are letting them go.

[Mackenzie]

Right. That's the thing.

[Roseanne]

I think that there's money behind it. Street gangs and you know, it's getting close and every time there's a real important thing going on, they have to throw in something news that can hide the news. So you know the, all this stuff happens in blue cities because they want it to and they encourage the children to do it.

[Mackenzie]

Why would they want.

[Roseanne]

These are the adults.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Mackenzie]

Why would they want it in their own cities? It makes no sense.

[Jake Pentland]

Fundraising, Democratic fundraising.

[Tim Pool]

Well, they, they do let the DA's in the cities.

[Roseanne]

Let them go. Every, every street gangs, they want to destroy you know, every place where there's safety and anything forward or good for black people. They don't like black youth, especially the Democrats don't. They're not easily controlled without cash. And, you know, it's just the racism of the Democrat. You know, Candace, whether you're into unsolved

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[Roseanne]

games, but it's plantation politics as usual.

[Tim Pool]

Is it because the black community.

[Ian Crossland]

I generally don't make generalizations. Generally don't make generalizations about the black community.

[Tim Pool]

But.

[Ian Crossland]

But that they're anti war generally because of the way their culture, like the Black Panthers were a huge target of Nixon. They were really anti.

[Tim Pool]

What does that do with black people in general? I don't know that culture.

[Ian Crossland]

Like, because their ancestors were oppressed in slavery.

[Tim Pool]

It's like, you know that you're talking about a small group of people who are Marxist communists and then saying all black people are anti war.

[Jake Pentland]

I know the solution.

[Ian Crossland]

Saying the black communities causing the crimes is an insane statement. Like, what does that even mean? The black.

[Tim Pool]

How many. Let me, let me just say this again in case you missed it with

[Roseanne]

our being weaponized in America by the Democrats in blue cities. Look at it.

[Jake Pentland]

I can fix this.

[Roseanne]

What?

[Jake Pentland]

Criminalize abandoning your children.

[Tim Pool]

It already is criminal.

[Jake Pentland]

It is like punishment. How is that criminal?

[Tim Pool]

They arrest dads all the time who can't pay their.

[Mackenzie]

Who.

[Tim Pool]

Who can't.

[Jake Pentland]

Paying child support. That's not abandoning your children. You can.

[Tim Pool]

So you're saying enforce fathers living with their children.

[Jake Pentland]

If you have a child.

[Tim Pool]

I agree. Get rid of no fault divorce. Then you're saying that women have to live.

[Roseanne]

I'm saying if they're writing the parent should go to jail.

[Jake Pentland]

I agree with that 100%. Well, no, I'm saying if you have a child, you have a responsibility to take care of that child. If you abandon that Child you should.

[Tim Pool]

How does that, how does that function legally? Like if there's a woman who says I can't live with this man who's abusive now I don't have the answer.

[Jake Pentland]

I'm just saying a lot. It's very easy and I'm talking about the.

[Tim Pool]

I, I'll.

[Jake Pentland]

You're not in trouble. I will. It's very easy for people to leave their children, especially fathers. Especially fathers in that community. It's way too easy because it happens be to happens all of the time.

[Tim Pool]

I understand but what's the to point out that we know this thing is happening but we've tried to solve for it. I don't think that's it.

[Roseanne]

When there's kids in the street doing wrong.

[Mackenzie]

Yeah.

[Roseanne]

Their parents should be arrested.

[Tim Pool]

100.

[Jake Pentland]

Well if they abandon them, not if they're bad parents.

[Roseanne]

Well if they're abandoning him to run wild in the street with guns, they should go.

[Mackenzie]

I mean it's mostly a lot of single moms that don't have much money

[Tim Pool]

or why are they single moms? Welfare.

[Mackenzie]

Who knows?

[Tim Pool]

Who knows? They make more money.

[Jake Pentland]

I have two girls.

[Tim Pool]

But there's, there's also a welfare incentive to intentionally not live with the father because they'll get more money from welfare.

[Mackenzie]

It's also extremely.

[Jake Pentland]

Like I said, it's too easy.

[Mackenzie]

If you're living in a, in a poor urban area and gang culture is rife, it's very hard to make your kid, who is probably bigger than you at this point stay home. I do have an answer though.

[Tim Pool]

But where's gang culture? But, but give me an example. Because give me an example of a city. Well, the crime we see in Chicago for instance has nothing to do with gangs, isn't it? No.

[Jake Pentland]

What does it have to do?

[Tim Pool]

So typically the gangs sometimes war with each other and sometimes there's inter gang violence. But most of the shootings that you see are young black men honor killing each other. So the easy way to explain it is they will go on social media and say yo girl a hoe. The other guy will pull up to his house and unload on the house. It's not gang related. It's beef related.

[Mackenzie]

Sure. Okay.

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[Mackenzie]

Anyway my just throwing it out there. National service that a mandatory national service for all teenagers of any race.

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Mackenzie]

Basic training age 16. It forces you to. Because a lot of this is four weeks a downstream of like there's just absolute void of discipline.

[Roseanne]

That's a good idea. I like it.

[Tim Pool]

Like some basic training.

[Mackenzie]

A lot of longer 6 months. Screw it like national service of, like. And it can be whether it's agreed. I love it, you know, whether it's military or it's community service, but something where it's like, actual strict. A lot of these kids are just desperate for structure. They have no structure. They have no authority figures in their life who are at least reasonable. Same people, you know, and so they leave, you know, they read. They're just in this, like, anarchic condition, which is probably what that. That thing was. They're just all messaging each other, oh, yo, we're all going down here.

[Roseanne]

Well, that kind of is abandoned.

[Tim Pool]

It is.

[Jake Pentland]

They have no doubt.

[Mackenzie]

They are fundamentally just abandoned people. And they. They're young kids, which is criminal. I think if I'd been involved in that, you know, if I'd grown up in a completely, you know, life absent of any kind of discipline, I probably would have done the same. I was kind of a, you know, naughty kid. I was always causing trouble. Who knows? I just was lucky that I had very, like, you know, you know, decent parents.

[Tim Pool]

Rahm Emanuel wanted everyone. Everyone at 18 to graduate, to go through, I think. I think it was three weeks of basic training. And at the time, because I think he was saying this, when I was around that age, I was like, yeah, right. You can't make me do that now I'm older. And I'm like, yep, they should make people do it.

[Mackenzie]

You know, which country has national service and is pretty.

[Tim Pool]

Israel.

[Mackenzie]

Israel. And they're pretty good at, you know, having a national identity and having a lot of societal cohesion.

[Roseanne]

Well, teaching self discipline is good, but in America, they should do it way before graduation. It should be like, you know, onset puberty, teaching children to get control of their emotions and their body and have some self discipline. You know, that would be a really

[Jake Pentland]

good thing to do. That's a dancer.

[Roseanne]

Yeah. That is a dad's job. And that's a good idea. We had a bonus army in World War II. They could just resurrect that whole bonus army for kids.

[Ian Crossland]

What's that?

[Roseanne]

And teach them a trade on top of it.

[Mackenzie]

Yeah, exactly. It can also give. They learn something as well. A lot of these kids, they just don't feel valued and like, frankly, they're not that valuable if they're behaving like this, but you give them some structure.

[Tim Pool]

I would say that at least where I grew up, the issue was checking. Just it's competition. So for me and my friends, our competition was rooted in playing music and skateboarding.

[Mackenzie]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

For the kids who lived across the tracks or on the other side of 47th, the competition was in social status. So did you come up, meaning you got money, you got, you got a gun, what do you got? And so they're wearing jewelry and they're, they're, they're flaunting status amongst each other. If they had some kind of legitimate non violent competition that would probably do away with a lot of these things. But. So there's also something called swerving. You know what swerving is?

[Jake Pentland]

No.

[Tim Pool]

They get on their bikes, they do wheelies and they charge at people and then swerve real quickly right before they hit them, trying not to crash while they film it. Again, Ian asked the question, this is coming out. Why would you say it's coming out of the black community? Because all of the people doing it are black. Now you can deny that and say, no, no, you can't.

[Ian Crossland]

Probably not literally 100%, but I know what you mean, like a grand majority or whatever.

[Tim Pool]

So there was a, there was a. I think Michael Malice made this point. He said if you bring up an issue and then someone cites an anecdote, you know, you're dealing with someone of low intelligence.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, what about people that use hyperbole? Everyone all the time, like, what a stupid statement.

[Tim Pool]

That was the point that I think Michael was trying to make when I point out that we are watching large groups of black teenagers rampage through malls, through Chicago, through Mag mile in the D.C. navy, Navy Yard in Daytona beach, and some of them are Latino and white. Obviously there's always going to. Nothing is literally absolute and everyone already understands that. The point we're making is that the phenomenon of swerving and of teen takeovers are born predominantly from the black community. Does it mean all black people are violent? It means this is coming from that area.

[Roseanne]

They're also born from TikTok and you know, online media. So I mean, it's a way to get some fame. And you're 15 minutes too.

[Tim Pool]

It's a trend that exists largely along, like swerving is almost entirely young black teenagers, like black teenagers, you don't see white people doing it for whatever reason. And I think it's because in these areas, the people, they follow, the music they listen to, the trends they have. This is a part of that culture that does not exist in other, in other neighborhoods. The videos they're putting out from the Navy yard show young white men peacefully walking past National Guard while black men are screaming obscenities. Again, I'm not saying all black people because that would not be correct. Right we have tremendous leaders in this country. Clarence Thomas is our best member of the Supreme Court and we should clone him and fire all the rest of them. But the issue is, you are going to see this, it is already online that you are seeing a massive increase in racism where accounts are pointing out that most of this violence and chaos is coming from young black men. And they're saying they don't want to live near black people anymore.

[Roseanne]

Well, I do think that my son was saying something kind of profound about abandoning a whole class and race of kids and not giving them any structure, not giving them anything to hope for. I mean, that really is bad. Something should replace that. Something our country should do something to build up instead of just accept destruction.

[Tim Pool]

I would say this. The, the penalty for these kinds of crimes should be three weeks of basic training.

[Roseanne]

I kind of like that.

[Tim Pool]

It's like you're convicted. You're going to go to, you're going to go to a camp for basic training and we're going to make you crawl to the mountain like this.

[Roseanne]

You're not going to be drinking or smoking pot or doing anything. You're going to learn, live in your body and have discipline, discipline more.

[Tim Pool]

Maybe I, maybe juvie should actually just be basic training camps. Like if you attend six months, it's like, you know, wake up, crawl through the mud, climb the wall. That's your day. You're gonna get, you're gonna get ripped strong and disciplined, right?

[Mackenzie]

And, and the sooner you learn to like adhere to the rules because I mean, that's the thing, a lot of these kids have just never learned to have any rules at all. The sooner you adhere to them and, and make some kind of progress. And I don't have the, off the top of my head what that means.

[Roseanne]

I don't know if it's adhere then, then it's not adhere to. It's like it's not adhere or knuckle under. It's desire to improve. That's what they're not getting any of that. They're being weaponized to, you know, they're. Oh, it just is terrible.

[Mackenzie]

Well, you need a carrot and a stick. Like when someone is that sort of disenfranchised from society and that antisocial effectively, you need a stick, you need like some kind of, of punishment to an extent, which is to an, I guess you've lost your liberty for a few months because you're put into this, you know, national service training camp, whatever you want to call it. But you also need to have a carrot like There need to be rewards where they actually feel like, oh damn, I achieved something and they get some self worth. It is a combination. I know this probably sounds like, you know, slightly woke sounding, but there is, there is truth that you also need to reward someone when they have done good work and well, give them an

[Roseanne]

opportunity to grow and get out of that, get, do something besides exploit them. That's what's so horrible about the Democrats. The worst thing. Oh my God, I have to go to the bathroom.

[Ian Crossland]

You could do like a, a stage show at the end of the three weeks of service where they get like a certificate and go come up on stage. Kind of like a graduation when they're 12. You know, this good, like Roseanne was saying for young kids before puberty, you kind of get the wiring.

[Jake Pentland]

What about more society?

[Tim Pool]

I mean, to be honest, we could just have our laws be enforced, forced. And instead of releasing these people and letting murderers go, we can just, you know, be alive. You commit a crime, you go to jail.

[Jake Pentland]

Too simple.

[Mackenzie]

The point is our institutions are just completely over taxed and insufficiently. I mean, it's not that they're insufficiently funded. They actually get a lot of funding. A lot. Well, not all of them do, but the money is so horribly used. And so yeah, it's, it's. We just need new institutions and I wish I knew how to do that.

[Jake Pentland]

Why isn't there more pressure? I'm going back to the dad thing. Forget criminalizing. But why isn't there more pressure on men to step up as fathers societally?

[Tim Pool]

I think the Democrats historically have always been racist.

[Jake Pentland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And if you look at everything they've been doing since Jim Crow, it has just made things worse for black people in the United States.

[Jake Pentland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So creating a welfare system where the mothers will get more money for their kids if the father is not present is literally resulting in women being like, you can't live here because I'll lose my money.

[Jake Pentland]

Right. So it's coordinated to weaken that community. Yeah. Okay.

[Tim Pool]

So at first bad incentives, but you

[Jake Pentland]

can, you can solve it by being a perfectly good. Good fathers collectively could help a lot alleviate a lot of these problems. No, maybe I'm being too.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, but you have to not only

[Mackenzie]

get the fathers to stay, but you also have to make the fathers good in the first place. And if you've got like this multi generational problem where it's like young guys who have not had good fathers, so they've never had that good influence, they've never learned how to like be responsible men, then Having kids, it's just like you're seeing multi, you know, downstream effects of that.

[Jake Pentland]

Because military does provide that.

[Tim Pool]

I also think we need to get rid of all these unconstitutional gun laws. Cuz I, I saw a video out of New York where it was like five black teenagers who robbed a bodega with guns pointed at some dude's face who's just like, got his hands up. And I'm like, why, why, why do we just, we punish the victims? That's all the Democrats do in these cities.

[Roseanne]

Yes, absolutely.

[Tim Pool]

The innocent guy who was running a business, who has no intention of robbing anybody, can't have a gun. And the criminals who don't care about breaking the law are gonna do it anyway. So then you watch, there are videos where, you know, in Brazil someone will come into a store to rob it and then seven people just start unloading on them. And don't do that. Then in the United States, people just get mercilessly beaten and everything taken from them by these criminals. And you know that story from New York where it was like a 19 year old woman was leaving, exiting the train to go to her dorm and a group of like 12 and 13 year old black kids stabbed her to death. Death to steal her stuff.

[Mackenzie]

Those people don't realize mercy, excessive mercy to the guilty is, is cruelty to the innocent. That's what they don't get.

[Tim Pool]

We call it anarcho tyranny.

[Mackenzie]

Yes. And you think it's bad in the us you should go check out the UK right now.

[Roseanne]

Oh yeah, it's, it's hell on earth.

[Tim Pool]

Fallen. You don't have a country anymore. You have what, what did you call them? Invading barbarians.

[Mackenzie]

Oh, today. Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

She was referring to, specifically to rapists.

[Mackenzie]

There was more gang. There's a, the headline was, it was like a Daily Mail headline and it was like group of asylum seekers being arrested for gang raping a woman and filming it. And my point, my comment was something to the effect of like, at what point do we stop calling men like these asylum seekers and start calling them what they really are? Which is, is an invading barbarian horde. Because yeah, it's, I grew up, when I grew up in the uk, I was able to just walk the streets late, whatever time as a young girl. And I was, I mean, okay, I'm not saying that crime never happened, of course it did. But the rates at which crime is happening has never been seen before. And I hate to say it, but it is disproportionately like massively caused by Jews. James Lindsey. No no,

[Tim Pool]

let me pull this story up so I can give people some context. We've got this from the Daily Mail. Asylum seekers gang raped vulnerable woman on beach as she made her way home from night out. With one filming the ordeal. Trial told. And this has been going on quite some time in the uk and you of course are from the UK and you had some choice words. These individuals are not asylum seekers. They are coming in and committing atrocities against innocent civilians. Aliens. And so you refer to them as almost entirely the women invaders.

[Roseanne]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Well, yeah, it's the woman, of course.

[Mackenzie]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

But if you go to. I mean, you're like, you're likely to be arrested for that tweet if you go back to the uk.

[Roseanne]

No, I don't know.

[Mackenzie]

They haven't arrested me yet. I've been back a few times. I've said, I've said spicier stuff than that.

[Tim Pool]

They arrested Grandma.

[Mackenzie]

Yeah, right, right, right. I mean, that was over, I think crazy trans translated stuff. I mean, listen, they can try. I. Yeah, they can.

[Roseanne]

You know, Tommy Robinson just put part one and two on YouTube. The Rape of Britain, parts one and two. You know, it. They did it on purpose. The leaders did it on purpose. They. They wanted to rape the women back into their place. So it could all be Iran everywhere. I'm so happy we're bombing the hell out of that place. I wish.

[Mackenzie]

I think generally my rule of thumb is don't attribute to malice what can be attributed first to incompetence. And by and large, the grooming gang rape crisis was more a product. Obviously it was malice of the gang rapers and it was definitely malice of some police who would hear about it and just usher the problem away. Because nothing is lower on the totem pole than poor white trash British girls. As you know, I hate the word white trash, but like, that's the, the opinion of them. So there was a lot.

[Tim Pool]

Isn't there a word for that in the uk?

[Roseanne]

Okay, so it wasn't the royals or, you know, the government or anything that made the laws that we. They were going to bring in all these people from other countries who, you know, thought rape was okay. It wasn't their fault.

[Mackenzie]

Oh, no, no, no, it wasn't. No, it was. No, no, it was the government's fault for allowing this kind of, of allowing

[Roseanne]

this to happen so that they could break the back of laborers.

[Mackenzie]

Sure. But.

[Roseanne]

Right.

[Mackenzie]

But I think we should, we need to be careful not to completely oversubscribe it to intentional malice and not give where I think most of the blame lies. Which is that people became so scared and this is relating to wokeness so scared of being accused of being racist that they would rather sweep under the rug an obvious horrific, very much race related crime.

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[Mackenzie]

games of mostly, I mean various countries but Pakistani immigrant gangs grooming little low income white girl, white girls, white children on mass scales. And people were so scared to admit it because it was more of a heinous moral ill to, to be accused of being racist than to let this mass rape go.

[Tim Pool]

Go on. Are you saying we should repeal the 19th?

[Roseanne]

An attack on the British citizenry?

[Tim Pool]

Repeal the 19th? No,

[Jake Pentland]

no.

[Tim Pool]

It means take away women's ability to vote, right?

[Mackenzie]

Oh, I don't think it's. No, I don't think it's like that's, it's, it's a joke.

[Tim Pool]

I think what we should do is. My argument is if you, if you want to vote, you have to sign up for the draft. Men and women are allowed to do it and you can't vote unless you do.

[Roseanne]

I kind of like that. I agree with that.

[Ian Crossland]

They were talking about automatically signing everyone up for the draft.

[Mackenzie]

That's a very different thing. I do think that's a very different thing too. A drafting people into a war that may or may not be justified versus making people do six months of what? When you say draft, what do you mean there?

[Jake Pentland]

So saying declare before you.

[Tim Pool]

So. So every 18 year old male in the United States has to sign up for the Selective Service so that they could be called into a draft in time of need.

[Mackenzie]

Right. In case of a war.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah. We've not done it in 50 years, longer than that. Now what are we going on? Yeah, we're going on 50 some odd years.

[Jake Pentland]

Vietnam.

[Tim Pool]

Right. So my argument is not that there is an active war going on you must, at 18 year old, 18 years old, make yourself available for conscription if you want to vote. And you can opt not to. You can say, I, I say you can opt out. Well, so technically you're opting in. The default state is you just don't sign up for the draft.

[Mackenzie]

Got it, got it.

[Tim Pool]

But then you don't vote.

[Roseanne]

I like it.

[Mackenzie]

It's like signing up to be an organ donor. You don't get to be on the list or high up on the list of organ donors unless you yourself put yourself on the list. I think we need reciprocity, basically. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And then if you did that, liberals would stop voting.

[Roseanne]

That's exactly right.

[Tim Pool]

I think a lot of people still voting, mostly liberals. You go to Times Square and you ask the average urban lib who's a tourist or who lives there and say, would you, would you like to vote this election? They'll go, yeah, sure, I guess. You got to sign up for the draft. Hell no. Right? You go to a conservative, be like, yes, sir. They'll be like, I already signed up, I served four years. And you go, oh, oh. They're like, I'll go back if they need me. And you're like, oh, that's predominantly. That's going to be most conservatives. Or they're going to be. If you're going to go to a 17 year old kid and be like, if you want to vote, you got, you got to, you got to sign for the draft. And like I was planning on enlisting anyway. And you're like, oh, or kids going to be like, I'm going to rotc. I'm going to be like, oh my.

[Roseanne]

Happening with the awfuls as malice calls.

[Tim Pool]

They will never vote again.

[Roseanne]

No, I don't. You go up and I'm not. You know what you have such a great opinion on, on the women of Iran, how you know, they should live like slaves and be shot to the head if their hair shows.

[Tim Pool]

Well, they shouldn't show their hair.

[Roseanne]

No, but I'm saying. Yeah, I mean, can we say what

[Tim Pool]

awfuls are for people?

[Roseanne]

White liberal, feminist.

[Tim Pool]

Feminist, affluent white female, urban liberal.

[Roseanne]

Yeah, that's what Michael. But I mean, could you, you see going to them and saying, since you've made yourself a, you know, voice of all womanhood, you know, and some women that do have penises. Yes. And men can have babies and all that. You're a voice of that. So as a voice with responsibilities, you need to sign up for the draft.

[Jake Pentland]

Love it.

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Roseanne]

Don't you love that?

[Tim Pool]

Yep.

[Jake Pentland]

Brilliant.

[Ian Crossland]

This is Saying.

[Tim Pool]

I love that they're saying, I think, think. Because the issue is we don't actually. We haven't drafted in 50 years. And here's the point. I get a lot of people said, yeah, but then you're. They'll. They'll sign up. I'm like, no, no, you don't understand. The people who sign up for go. Go to your average enlisted soldier or combat infantry or whatever, they're going to tell you, we do not want war. I've seen it. You don't want it.

[Jake Pentland]

Right?

[Tim Pool]

Those are the people who vote. And they're going to be like, no. And then if you sign up for the draft, and then you're going to vote for a politician who's like, I want war. You'll be like, hell, no. I'm in the draft line. I'm not voting for that. You will get a strongly anti war government only when it truly needs it and the people truly agree. And the people who are unwilling to put themselves in the line for their country don't get a say. They can. They get all their rights. They get free speech. They get two way. They get three, four, five, six. Ain't nobody's gonna want. No soldier's gonna go live in your house.

[Roseanne]

Okay, but wait.

[Tim Pool]

But no vote.

[Jake Pentland]

I think you sold it.

[Roseanne]

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Because the people who do vote must have available to them a free press which publishes actual facts or there's no vote. There should be no voting. If it's all propaganda.

[Tim Pool]

That's impossible.

[Roseanne]

Corporate horseshit. Then nobody should vote. Well, which is why nobody vote counts. And Trump, huh?

[Tim Pool]

King Trump. I mean, what if Trump was like, I've signed an executive order making Baron the heir to the throne of the United States. He's now king.

[Jake Pentland]

Not bad.

[Tim Pool]

Would you be okay with it?

[Roseanne]

No, I would not. And I'll tell you why. I want Rubio.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, he makes. He makes Rubio. Like the vizier, like Mordecai. Yeah, Baron's the king. But Rubio. Whisper, whispers in his ear.

[Roseanne]

I don't know if Baron's. That's. I'm supposed.

[Tim Pool]

I've heard.

[Roseanne]

Supposedly he's very genius. Yeah, I know.

[Tim Pool]

I know people who, who know him. And I've never met him, but I've heard that he's like, he knows everything. He grew up around all this stuff he's tracked all the stuff. He's read about it. And I've heard he's incredibly smart.

[Ian Crossland]

I wonder. Regarding the.

[Roseanne]

So that's like that book that Baron. Some things time Travel, Time travel.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, we have to say he is that he's also 8ft tall and could single handed, handedly take down Iran just by himself. This is kind of rampaging through throwing people.

[Ian Crossland]

They're looking at installing an automatic draft. They want selective service moving towards automatic registration for eligible males 18 to 26 through the 2026 NDAA that got signed. Specifically section 535.

[Roseanne]

Didn't Obama sign that? What?

[Ian Crossland]

This has just happened in 2026, in 2026. That you'll automatically, automatically be signed up for the draft through technology like Palantir, through databases.

[Jake Pentland]

Just.

[Tim Pool]

It's automatic. Through the dmv.

[Ian Crossland]

It's supposed to be, but you could always like not do it.

[Tim Pool]

Is this.

[Ian Crossland]

I didn't have that opportunity.

[Roseanne]

Is it women too or just men?

[Tim Pool]

Just men. I don't know.

[Roseanne]

I think it's.

[Mackenzie]

Women don't get a vote.

[Tim Pool]

No. This is funny. The Democrat female Democrats are trying to get women forced for the draft and then all of a sudden tick tock. And like, like Instagram blew up with, with young and being like, feminism means what? I'm out. I don't want any of this. That's why I'm saying if you sign up for the draft, then you can vote because then women don't vote.

[Ian Crossland]

Dude, the war in Iraq was so egregious.

[Tim Pool]

Hey, women can vote if they want to. You just gotta sign up.

[Ian Crossland]

Afghanistan, Iraq was so egregious that if that draft, I would have fled the country. If they tried to send me off to that meat grinder, I would have.

[Mackenzie]

The other thing though is it's all probably going to be moot anyway because the future of warfare is drones. That it's going to be so rare that we're going to have actual physical bodies going to war zones.

[Tim Pool]

Did, did you see that? Did you see that robot? I think it was in San Francisco that was supposed to be serving food, but then it threw the food and started dancing instead.

[Mackenzie]

Sounds about right.

[Tim Pool]

Yes. The server like tried to stop it, but it was just dancing and like thrashing about. It was like, I don't want to serve, I want to dance. We're going to make robot soldiers and they're going to start dancing on the battlefield. And then we're. Didn't we take a little rest real quick? Just think about how crazy it is the idea that like in the future we're going to be, we're going to say like we're declaring war on Iran and we deploy like 10,000 Optimus bots running through the streets. And then Iran deploys 10,000 Optimus bots. And then both the fat Ayatollah watching soccer and the fat President states watching football are sitting there clicking the button while robots just punch each other.

[Ian Crossland]

Humanoid robot was detained by police in China.

[Tim Pool]

No, it wasn't China.

[Ian Crossland]

It was in Macau, China. I believe it was a 70 year old woman on a public street.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, oh, right. So March 13,

[Ian Crossland]

they detained the robot.

[Roseanne]

Yeah, it went rogue. When they go rogue, people, can I

[Jake Pentland]

just say, Daily Mail is. Is evolving because they actually said vulnerable.

[Tim Pool]

Vulnerable.

[Jake Pentland]

Which is pretty.

[Roseanne]

That is good for them.

[Jake Pentland]

Ten years ago it wouldn't have that in there. So let's, let's take a moment to

[Ian Crossland]

when do you think they're gonna make the first robot arrest?

[Jake Pentland]

Well, it sounds like they did.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, they just detained them. But it's China, so like, you know, they could do whatever they want with them, I guess so.

[Tim Pool]

This is the video of the dancing.

[Roseanne]

Is it for real,

[Mackenzie]

Bro?

[Tim Pool]

It's gonna get crazy.

[Mackenzie]

That brave putting that into his arms. Yeah, they'll crush your fingers.

[Tim Pool]

And look how it's smiling with its fake robot smile. Have you guys ever seen that episode of Doctor who where they go to a planet, there's a bunch of robots with smiley faces on them. Doctor who used to be so good. They go to this. They go to this planet or this timeline. I don't know how it works in the tardis. And there's a bunch of robots with smiley faces and there's no humans. And then they find a bunch of like skeletons. And it turns out that the robots were designed to keep people happy. It was a colony of humans. They were colonizing a planet. They were growing vegetables and stuff and trying to live. And the robots were programmed to always keep the humans happy until one of the older females of the colony died of old age. And the humans got sad had when they saw this woman die. And the robots, try as they might, could not make the person happy anymore. And then the robots discovered. Discovered something terrifying. If an unhappy person came into contact with a happy person, the happy person became unhappy because they learned about the death. So the robots viewed it as a contagion. And then the only way to stop the spread was to kill the people that were unhappy and spreading it around, which of course created more unhappiness and created a feedback loop. So then the Doctor and assistant walk around with big fake smiles the whole time, because if you get unhappy, they kill you.

[Mackenzie]

It's. That's exactly the kind of misalignment that Is can happen. Like it's one of many, many things

[Roseanne]

happened if you're in California. And I mean, it's. That's California to me. It's happening.

[Tim Pool]

Well, California. San Francisco has a poo department, so there's a lot of misalignment in California. You know about the poo department? San Francisco?

[Jake Pentland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

You got a police department, you got a fire department, a poo department department. There is so much human feces in San Francisco that they've created a specific department to go and clean up human feces.

[Mackenzie]

We need the robots.

[Jake Pentland]

Mom, I gotta join.

[Tim Pool]

Yes. Now we have robots full of riding around everywhere. Have you seen the video of the homeless lady sitting on the delivery bot kicking it? And then like they knock it over and just destroy it. The homeless people are just bashing it.

[Mackenzie]

I mean, oh my God, people are doing that to Waymos all the time, right?

[Tim Pool]

You know, so have you guys ever seen that movie with Justin Timberlake where time is currency and they have like, it's, it's poorly executed, but in the

[Mackenzie]

ridiculous poke scene ever.

[Tim Pool]

I know, exactly, right? What did he have, like eight, four upsuit or something?

[Mackenzie]

It was just painful.

[Tim Pool]

And then he, he wins. Well, I guess the point was that he was playing dumb. But in the movie, time is currency, everybody. If your time runs out, you die. Everyone stops aging at 28. Oh, and when you work, they scan your wrist and give you time. And then most people have like two or three days left. So you have to keep working, otherwise you die. Guy, he, he saves a rich guy who then gives him like a thousand years or something, so now he's rich. And then in order to go to the wealthy areas, you have to have, you have to give like five days or something to go to the wealthy area. So if you have it, you can go. And then when he gets there, they're like, how did you get here? This is usually not possible. We look at that like nightmare dystopia. That's literally how New York and San Fran operate. It costs like, what was it, like 15 bucks now to get into New York City through the tunnels and through the bridges, the tolls. San Francisco is the same way. Entering the city costs money. Leaving is free because they don't. They want to keep poor people out. So if you don't have the money, you can't drive in. Oh, we like to keep the riff raff out. They are going to make this crazier and crazier. I wouldn't be surprised if in like 20 years, entering New York costs like $300 and then everything's clean.

[Roseanne]

You think it's going to be clean or is it just going to be a.

[Tim Pool]

Have you ever gone skiing this crap

[Roseanne]

hole with dead bodies laying?

[Tim Pool]

No. You ever go skiing? Yes.

[Roseanne]

No.

[Tim Pool]

Have you noticed that people lay thousands of dollars in ski gear just wherever they want, then walk off?

[Jake Pentland]

What do you mean lay?

[Tim Pool]

So when you go to a ski resort.

[Roseanne]

No, he's saying lay out thousands.

[Mackenzie]

It's a very high trust when you

[Tim Pool]

go to a ski. You go to any mountain, even. Even in West Virginia, for like a cheaper ticket.

[Roseanne]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

You take off your thousand dollar ski gear and poles or snowboard, you prop it up on a fence and you walk inside to have dinner.

[Jake Pentland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And there's. There's probably 50 grand worth of ski equipment on that one rack and no one thinks twice. It's just normal.

[Ian Crossland]

Normal?

[Jake Pentland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

When it costs a lot of money to get there, people aren't really worried about theft.

[Ian Crossland]

If you got like drone surveillance like Larry Ellison wants to have, or David Ellison, really total surveillance, so that you don't have deviation from the order. Manhattan Island's a great place to like test that out. You got the northern area. What is that? The Bronx? That, that's a land bridge. So you'd have to have patrols up there like a border to prevent. But you just have a few bridges. Yeah, it.

[Tim Pool]

That. There's still. There's still water separating.

[Ian Crossland]

No, Manhattan's connected to the north. Through it goes up into the Bronx.

[Roseanne]

Where will they put all the homeless and the crazy people and the poor people?

[Ian Crossland]

New Jersey, in vats where they can vibrate and create electrical charge. I don't know, underground. Maybe they'll shoot them across the street.

[Tim Pool]

California. Manhattan is an island. It is not connected to. There's no, there's no land bridge to the Bronx.

[Jake Pentland]

No, not to the Bronx. But there is to Long Island. Right. There's a bridge and then there's.

[Tim Pool]

No, but my point is. He said there's a land bridge to the Bronx. Yeah, Man's an island.

[Jake Pentland]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

Not technically.

[Ian Crossland]

Literally. Is it like a river that.

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, yeah, between Brooklyn and Manhattan there's

[Tim Pool]

a, you know, part of the area. Manhattan is an island on all sides surrounded by water. And you need a bridge to get off of it or a tunnel.

[Jake Pentland]

I didn't realize there was water to the north.

[Mackenzie]

Yes, it's a thin strip.

[Tim Pool]

That's why it's called Manhattan Island.

[Roseanne]

No, no, no.

[Ian Crossland]

White plains. I'm talking about White plains is New York.

[Roseanne]

In Manhattan

[Ian Crossland]

there's a river that Cuts across.

[Jake Pentland]

What are we saying? It's bad to keep the poor people out? I'm just confused. Like, is this bad? Dystopian. Are we.

[Roseanne]

I mean, they're saying. Are you saying it's all going to be the 15 minute cities thing?

[Tim Pool]

No, no, I'm saying that one. One scenario I'm envisioning is that in the future they just a toll to get into New York, which there already is one, but they make it exorbitant and then less people go there. It's less. It's less dense. There's still wealth. It's a lot cleaner because there's very few people. And they don't say anything about retreating the poor. They just say, well, a tunnel costs money.

[Mackenzie]

It's extreme gentrification.

[Roseanne]

Well, what about mom? Dummy? He's not gonna let none of that go by. He just wants dead poor people all over the streets.

[Jake Pentland]

I'm not so sure. Socialists love the caste system.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I mean, people that talk again,

[Roseanne]

they do love the caste system.

[Tim Pool]

No group, no political group has killed more communists than Catholic communists.

[Roseanne]

I know.

[Tim Pool]

Well, we're going to go to your rumble rants and super chats. So smash that like button, share the show with everyone in your life that you.

[Roseanne]

I want to kill a robot.

[Tim Pool]

Well, you can't go live if you.

[Ian Crossland]

If we got choice.

[Tim Pool]

We're going to rumble rants and super chats because we are over time. And then at 10 we'll go to the uncensored portion where we can talk about those things. So smash that like button, share the show and all the good stuff. We got mythos671 it says. Sounds like Joe is a Kent. Okay, Our sergeant says, can we get the English lady for the morning show? Perhaps, but in what capacity do you mean, like to interview with Tate? What?

[Mackenzie]

I don't.

[Tim Pool]

They want you to appear on the morning show.

[Mackenzie]

Andrew Tate.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, no. Tate Brown. He's the. He's the host of the noon show.

[Mackenzie]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

Andrew Tate.

[Mackenzie]

I do not like Andrew Tate.

[Ian Crossland]

Have you talked to him before?

[Mackenzie]

I've never met him, but he is. He's just another Candace Owens to me.

[Roseanne]

He.

[Mackenzie]

He just says anything. He doesn't give a about truth from unless it furthers his own self. He just strikes me as an extraordinarily selfish person who is not interested in seeking truth. He just wants to be famous.

[Roseanne]

Well, that head, I've never met him.

[Mackenzie]

That's all I'm seeing of how he presents on social media.

[Roseanne]

Yeah, so.

[Tim Pool]

Well, that's the branch. Right?

[Mackenzie]

So Shitty branch brand.

[Tim Pool]

Get a better brand. I mean, he makes a lot of money, so it's a brand that works for a business.

[Mackenzie]

Yeah, but that doesn't making money like. Yeah, so does a, you know, fentanyl dealer. They make a bunch of money, you know, tons of people.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed.

[Roseanne]

You think his head looks like a football? Like Stewie?

[Tim Pool]

I don't know.

[Jake Pentland]

Oh, more of a light bulb.

[Tim Pool]

More of a light bulb.

[Mackenzie]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

All right, here we go. Seven Legion series has storms this weekend. Nearly blew my tree onto my neighbor neighbor's property, so it had to be cut down, which cost my entire paycheck with bills to pay. Givesengo.com TreeOfDamocles I tell you, man, people, bro, this wind was crazy on humans one day.

[Ian Crossland]

But nature. You want to talk about what we really need to protect ourselves from?

[Roseanne]

Yeah, no kidding.

[Ian Crossland]

Nature and non human animals.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, imprisoned a bunch of those. So happy to see my second mom back on Tim cast. Bet you don't realize how many kids you helped raise. Love you, Roseanne, man.

[Roseanne]

No, I do. I hear it all the time. And I love you right back. Thank you.

[Tim Pool]

All right, let's see. Emmy Tay says keeping up the tradition. Had my third and final baby yesterday and managed to catch the noon show just in time. Keep up the wood. Good work, guys.

[Howie Mandel]

Wow.

[Tim Pool]

Congratulations.

[Ian Crossland]

Nice job.

[Tim Pool]

More babies.

[Roseanne]

Congratulations.

[Tim Pool]

Meo says his name isn't Tucker Carlson. It's Tucker Carlson

[Jake Pentland]

the Kia guitarlson.

[Tim Pool]

We're. We're launching a card game called debate me. Oh, you're gonna love it. It's all the different cards are different political personalities. The base set are generic personalities. Like you have a Karen is like a level five, like establishment. So there are four factions. Left, right, center, and establishment. There are 13 levels of debate prowess. The 13th level we call prime because it can be it can lead from the bottom. So you can make a. The goal is everybody gets two cards. That's your starting debate panel. Everybody starts at 200 followers. And then if you look down at your two cards, the onlybody see what you guys if it's a good debate team, you say, I'm going to invite 50 of my followers to the debate. Then I look at my cards and if I think my debate team is strong, I'll say I will invite 50 of my followers to the debate. Then we run out three cards to make a debate panel. And whoever makes the best five person debate team wins all the followers. It's a collectible card game. Therefore it's legal in all jurisdictions to play.

[Mackenzie]

I like it.

[Tim Pool]

So the Question is, we actually do have this. And the reason I bring this up is that Tucker in the game, it's Tucker Katarlson. Because they're all parodies of individuals. And so the base set is 1 through 11. Is it 1 through 11 or is it. No, I'm sorry.

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[Tim Pool]

Games 1 through 9, I think. Yeah, 1 through 9 are just generic gags. Like for we have. We have racist and racist on the left and the right, but they're just racist. You know, like the democrats are the real races and the right wingers the racist. But then once you get to the higher levels, then they're specific personalities. And then we. That. Then we have the ability set, which are, for instance, the level one right winger is bankrupt Alex Jones. And it says he's sitting down on the street corner holding a sign saying, we'll call frogs gay for money. And the card says, this card may be played as any faction of any level, effectively deuces wild. And so we have different functions of the special card so you can customize your game. Thus is a collectible card game, which to my legal understanding, going through my lawyers, means it's not, in fact, poker. And it's carved out. An exemption is carved out for collectible card games where children. Children are allowed to wager money to play card games for cash money. And I asked, why are children allowed to gamble? And they said, it's not gambling. It's a collectible card game. And I said, if a child puts $20 down for a game of Pokemon to win $40 in cash prizes, that's not gambling. And they go, no. And I said, okay. So we have a game coming out soon called Debate Me where if you're lucky, you will get a golden foil 1 of 10. God Emperor Trump card. Indeed. We're gonna have special limitation cards and

[Jake Pentland]

the best debate panel. It's a point system or how do you determine the best?

[Tim Pool]

So the strongest debater wins. So the first, your best debate team is who has the strongest debater. So if I have Trump on my team, he's prime. He's the highest level possible. That means I beat you. Then beyond that is pairs. So if I have two level three debaters, that beats your one prime debater.

[Jake Pentland]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

Then of course there's three. You know, a trio, we'll call it. And then of course, you have a sequence. Then you have. When we're all the same faction, we call that a brigade.

[Mackenzie]

Oh, right, yes.

[Tim Pool]

And then there's a quartet debater.

[Mackenzie]

So there's no three and two.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yes, yes, yes.

[Mackenzie]

That's a. I don't want to call that word. You know the. The phrase.

[Tim Pool]

We call that one a. A full panel.

[Mackenzie]

A full panel.

[Tim Pool]

Right. And then, of course, we have the. The royal flush.

[Mackenzie]

Okay. It doesn't happen. So it's not gonna. Yeah, it's too red.

[Tim Pool]

But the game is real. We actually have.

[Mackenzie]

So it's like a mashup between poker and top trumps, kind of.

[Tim Pool]

And what?

[Mackenzie]

Top trumps.

[Tim Pool]

Top trumps.

[Mackenzie]

You know that game? You know that game?

[Tim Pool]

What, no one knows top trumps?

[Mackenzie]

No, it's just like a. Kind of like a collectible game. And you just like. It's like a face off. You know, you.

[Tim Pool]

You can do Pokemon here. So let me just clarify. Yeah, the. The common cards that we made that are largely just gags on the culture war. It's literally just a poker set. Like it. It's. It's playing cards. There's four factions. There's 52 cards, there's 13 of each, and they're gigs. And you shuffle it up and you can play. And you can play any card game you can play. However, the game actually does include rare versions, limited edition special abilities. So if you. So the God Emperor trump card, the way it works is it says if it is your turn, or. I'm sorry, it says at showdown, you may choose to play this. You may choose to play this card as if it was a pair of prime debaters and disregard your second card or disregard any other card, meaning that Trump himself is pocket aces. But you don't have to play him that way. You can choose. Now, here's the question. We talked about balance in the game when we were designing. It doesn't matter because it's a shared Deck game. You can put a card in the deck that literally says you win the hand because you'll shuffle it up, and everyone has an equal chance to get it if you choose to play that way. If you want to play deuces wild, everybody has an opportunity to get a. There's. There's four factions, so each of them has their willing to say or do anything card. And if you want to play with that, you can. Or you can make the deck basic. And it plays basically like a poker deck, and you can play any game you want.

[Jake Pentland]

Is there a Candace card?

[Tim Pool]

Yes. Yeah, I think she. Her function has something to do with confusing the. The stats of your cards or something. We were contemplating making it so that she can change. She's like a reverse wild.

[Roseanne]

Oh, that's good.

[Tim Pool]

But. But the problem, like, basically you can make someone else's card. A card of any. But the problem is that basically says you win, right? Because if they have a straight, you can go, nope, now you have nine high.

[Mackenzie]

It's like, oh, she's like an agent of chaos.

[Tim Pool]

So we decided not to do that. But we do have a Nancy Pelosi card. And what she does is she makes everybody shuffle up their cards and then re. So everybody's hands get shuffled together and read the dealt out because she's drunk. So it's like. And I gotta get so confused. And then we have the. It's funny because there's no queens, kings or whatever. They're just called like. Like 10, 11, 12, and then 13. Our prime. It's called. But our queen equivalent on the right is our. Is named queen of the right. And it's Milianopoulos.

[Jake Pentland]

Love it.

[Roseanne]

Yeah, that's cute.

[Tim Pool]

Let's. Let's get more of your.

[Roseanne]

Is he not gay anymore?

[Tim Pool]

He's ex gay.

[Jake Pentland]

He's not smart.

[Tim Pool]

He is still attracted to men, but he doesn't act upon it because it is a sin.

[Ian Crossland]

We were talking a lot about just like.

[Tim Pool]

Like, sex.

[Ian Crossland]

What do you call it?

[Tim Pool]

Like, lust and how that's kind of.

[Ian Crossland]

That sin can creep in. And.

[Tim Pool]

And he.

[Jake Pentland]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

He said in the gay community, there's a lot of that. It's like trying to dispel.

[Tim Pool]

We got to grab some more of these. We got Omega. He says, tim, I am black. The reason black fathers are not in the home is not the. Is not the problem with men. It is the welfare state in women. I don't have kids, but I'd be damned if a woman would keep me from mine. Okay. Indeed. Okay, what do we got here? Hat and beard says, let's go. Fellow patriots. Tim, can I get a shout out over here on Rumble? The Hat and Beard show brings you based NFL content live daily Monday, Monday through Friday, 10am on Rumble. Hear, hear. Check them out.

[Jake Pentland]

All right.

[Tim Pool]

Forced name change says, I'm going to join the dog pile on Ian over Faith versus Knowledge. He knows exactly what you're saying, and he knows you're right. He just doesn't want to say it on air. Love you, Ian. One on your dogma take.

[Ian Crossland]

But you didn't say anything except you're wrong and you used, like 20 words to do it.

[Tim Pool]

No, but, but I'll say this so in order to make it comprehensible for you. My point is you didn't comp what I said. That's not true. It is.

[Ian Crossland]

I, I, I disbelieve that. I, I think you said that Michael Knowles was making a logical argument and then you said he was saying that God is logos.

[Tim Pool]

Did you guys understand my point?

[Jake Pentland]

I did, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Jake Pentland]

But I also understand Ian's.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no. But Ian's. Ian doesn't understand my point.

[Jake Pentland]

Do you understand his point?

[Tim Pool]

He doesn't. No.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, God. He made like, 90 points today. Which one?

[Mackenzie]

Oh, God, not again.

[Ian Crossland]

There are two human beings right now.

[Tim Pool]

Dude, we should. There are two human beings things.

[Mackenzie]

Oh, no.

[Tim Pool]

They both believe two different things. Neither of them have ever actually looked into it. They both accuse each other of being wrong. Then they're the aristocrats, and they're also Jewish.

[Ian Crossland]

Now it makes sense.

[Tim Pool]

The point is, everybody thinks they're right. Most people haven't bothered to actually investigate what they think is true.

[Roseanne]

That's true.

[Tim Pool]

So that's it.

[Mackenzie]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

Well, anyway, let's grab a couple more before we go to the uncensored portion of the show.

[Jake Pentland]

Of course.

[Tim Pool]

All right, let's see. Mako says you guys are idiots. Incentivize petty criminals. I don't know what that means.

[Roseanne]

Okay.

[Jake Pentland]

All right.

[Roseanne]

Thank you.

[Jake Pentland]

We'll take it into consideration.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. Is that AI? Let's see. Marushia Dark says Tim, your decentralized AI jobs program is the plot of the movie Eagle Eye. US government likely has already as military tech is 25 years ahead of the public, according to the late William Cooper. My point was that yes. So there's already the claw to rent a human where it's like if an AI needs a task done in meat space, they will. You can, you can say, I'm a person. I'll work for this much. My point was that there's going to be an app where the AI will be. Let's say the AI is building a car. It is substantially faster to decentralize all of the work of that car. Actually, let's, let's, let's go McDonald's times 10. McDonald's revolutionized food because you had a bunch of people doing one simple thing instead of one person trying to do all of these things. It is easier to teach 10 people each to do an individual task than one person to do 10 individual tasks. Well, the AI is going to amplify that by a thousand. So instead of getting one guy who knows how to design a car, it's going to get 10,000 people to all design one tiny piece or to construct one tiny piece. They won't know exactly what they're making because they can't see the big picture. That was my, my point. All right. Based Buzz says millennial men can't find job to provide for their family, women are killing their own children, and everybody is afraid to go out in public because of all of these attacks. The war, this war is for Israel. Donald Trump has been trying to get a handle on oil prices and he's trying to get Saudi Arabia back on the petrodollar. The contract ended. Certainly Israel is a motivator and pressured us to kick this war off because that's what, that's what Rubio said. That's all true. But the reason the US Wants to be involved is because Trump is desperately trying to get Saudi Arabia to stop selling oil in yuan to China and other countries. And so Saudi Arabia says, we want guarantees and we hate Iran. And Trump says, I will do whatever you say. Just do the petrodollar deal again. This is why you had that journalist get killed and the US doesn't care. This is why you've got a handful of Saudis implicated in 911 and the US government protected them for decades and they're only now being sued. So by all, like I said for a million times, we shouldn't, I don't think we should be funding Israel. I don't think that that's their business if they want to be involved in it. I don't want to get involved in wars for any country, be it Ukraine, be it China, Taiwan, whatever it may be. But the people who are claiming the only reason is Israel are allowing the military industrial complex to get away with whatever they want because they're no longer part of the Arctic argument. We're going to go to the uncensored portion of the show.

[Roseanne]

I know what you mean by funding

[Tim Pool]

Israel and $2.5 billion a year in military subsidies?

[Roseanne]

Yeah, because then they turn around and buy American made.

[Tim Pool]

And we can certainly switch that, that, that, that labor for those manufacturers into roads, bridges, border security, etc. The money is still spent on labor

[Roseanne]

getting attacked on seven fronts by all of your genocidal.

[Tim Pool]

That's Israel, not us.

[Roseanne]

No, I'm saying them.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Roseanne]

So they have to have a lot of weapons, of course.

[Tim Pool]

So I think that's their business. And I'd rather spend $2.5 billion on border security. But let's go to, let's go to rumble.com timcast I agree with that at all.

[Roseanne]

But I mean, don't you, I mean, I just feel like if America does that, it's going to be bad for America and I'll explain when we come back.

[Tim Pool]

All right. Rumble.com Timcast IRL. You can follow me on accent Instagram at Timcast. Roseanne's Mossad handler. Do you want to shout anything out?

[Roseanne]

No, but I gotta smoke.

[Ian Crossland]

I gotta.

[Jake Pentland]

Okay, so she can smoke.

[Tim Pool]

Apparently Roseanne's gonna go smoke real quick. So she's, everybody already knows who she is. She, she, you know where to find her. She's Roseanne. Everyone's gonna miss you live. Do you want to shout anything out?

[Roseanne]

Yeah.

[Mackenzie]

Follow me on Twitter. My name live underscore burry and subscribe to me on YouTube also, just my name. Find it.

[Tim Pool]

Jake.

[Jake Pentland]

Yes.

[Ian Crossland]

What's the best place people to find you, man?

[Jake Pentland]

I, I, I guess Twitter. I hate social media. I'm sorry, I don't, I don't want to give it away. I, I gave my Twitter because my wife made me. But I, I, I'm sorry.

[Tim Pool]

I tweeted it.

[Ian Crossland]

It's out there.

[Jake Pentland]

Thank you.

[Mackenzie]

You're like an enlightened being.

[Jake Pentland]

I wouldn't say I'm enlightened. I've been, I've been trolling and arguing on the Internet for 20 years. I, I've, I started, I was kicked off Twitter. Probably the first person to ever cancel on tool. It's not what I thought it was. I was so excited about social media. Now I hate it.

[Ian Crossland]

I reduce text, increase video. If you're going to produce, do it with video so that your voice can vibrate and change people's emotions. Otherwise you just stuck etching writings on a wall like 2,000 years ago. So get back to making video, man. It's amazing tech.

[Jake Pentland]

Or just raise your kids and be happy and such a good dad. I love Mike. I love being a dad.

[Ian Crossland]

Ladies and gentlemen, follow me at Ian Crossland all over the Internet. Go to Graphene Movie. Check out the new documentary that I am building right now with 6, 7 Kevin Andreas Nicholas Graphene Movie. And I'm at Ian Cross and Carter Banks.

[Tim Pool]

What's up, everyone?

[Ian Crossland]

Follow me at Carter Banks everywhere. Some music on acts of Carter Banks. And check out me and Ian's live sessions at Trash house Records on YouTube. Let's go. Hey, for Roseanne Bar. Follow me. The real Roseanne and the and the

[Jake Pentland]

podcast Roseanne Bar Podcast. I would love to shout that out.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. We'll see you all [e-mail] Timcast IRL in about 30 seconds. Thanks for hanging out.

[Mackenzie]

Has the news been getting you down? I'm Megan McCardell and I'm here to help. I'm the host of a new show from Washington Post Opinion called Reasonably Optimistic. And it's an antidote to the pessimism

[Tim Pool]

that's riddling America right now.

[Mackenzie]

Every Wednesday, I'm going to talk to people who see a path forward.

[Jake Pentland]

It does seem to me that there is some awakening of a desire to

[Tim Pool]

act together to solve problems where they are. You know, I am a believer in America and it's worth fighting for.

[Mackenzie]

Join me Wednesdays on YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts.