Trump Orders Specialized National Guard Units To Combat Crime In Cities, Dems Furious w/ Andrew Wilson

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Episode: Trump Orders Specialized National Guard Units To Combat Crime In Cities, Dems Furious w/ Andrew Wilson
Date: August 26, 2025
Host: Jack Posobiec (filling in for Tim Pool)
Panel: Andrew Wilson, Shane Cashman, Tate Brown, Phil Labonte

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Overview

This episode centered on the political and social upheaval sparked by President Trump's executive order mobilizing National Guard units to combat rampant crime in 19 major U.S. cities, most of which are Democrat-controlled. The panel dove into the ethical, constitutional, and cultural ramifications of this move, explored the media response, debated the symbolism and legality of flag burning, discussed ongoing immigration enforcement battles, and examined broader societal issues from family values to the Cracker Barrel rebrand controversy. Throughout, the commentary leaned critical of Democrat leadership and leftist policies, with recurring themes around law, order, American identity, and the consequences of cultural shifts.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Trump’s Mobilization of the National Guard in Crime-Ridden Cities

(Main segment: 05:18–24:14)

• Description of the Action: Trump has established specialized National Guard units for deployment in 19 states/cities experiencing severe crime problems.

• Media Reaction: The Left and mainstream outlets, particularly CNN, framed the move as authoritarian and fear-mongering, describing the units as “specialized” and equating them to “stormtroopers.”

  • Jack, mockingly: “How many SSRIs went into this? ... [CNN’s] breathlessness; they wanted to write ‘stormtroopers’.” (05:18)

• Nature of the Units: The panel clarified these are crowd-control, law and order units — essentially military police, not general soldiers.

• Panel Opinions:

  • Andrew Wilson: Strongly supports sending more troops:
    “There used to be a meme that we would lose more people in Chicago in a day than in Afghanistan. … Trump's been talking about doing this for a long time. … I’d like to see more troops.” (07:20)
  • General agreement that Democrat-run cities have failed in basic governance.

• Political/Constitutional Debate:

  • Shane Cashman: Expressed caution about precedent; worries about military overreach being used by future, possibly left-wing administrations to suppress the right.
    “I am uneasy cheering on military presence in cities if it’s sustained. … I see these people weaponizing that against us once again.” (21:58)
  • Wilson & Posobiec: Argued cities are suffering, and the President has an obligation to protect citizens when local officials are “treasonous” and fail in their duties.
  • Phil Labonte: Noted that complaints about the Democratic reaction are disingenuous; they’ve ignored precedent and legality when it fits their own agenda.

Notable Quotes:

• “If you value something, you protect it. You enshrine it in law.” — Jack Posobiec (35:18)
• “The truth is, these are cities where you’re seeing junkies in the street, zombie-like.” — Andrew Wilson (09:06)

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2. Symbolism, Law, and Debate Over Flag Burning

(Flag burning topic: 30:43–54:04)

• New Executive Order: Trump’s order now explicitly allows prosecution for burning the American flag when it is likely to incite “imminent lawless action” or constitute “fighting words,” focusing especially on foreign nationals using it as a threat.

• Free Speech vs. National Identity:

  • Wilson: Argued for much more aggressive policing of flag desecration — “If you burn the American flag in America, you need to be dealt with. It’s a traitorous act … a seditious act.” (33:47)
  • Shane Cashman and Phil Labonte: More nuanced, voicing concern over encroaching on free speech, and preferring flag burning remain legal to expose “the bad guys.”
  • Jack Posobiec: Pushed back on the idea that flag burning is a deep-rooted American right, pointing out it only became protected speech in 1989.
    “This is not a bedrock right. This is a 1989 Supreme Court decision.” (44:16)

• Optics & Morale: Panelists argued that allowing visible attacks on American symbols, especially in times of internal division, has a demoralizing effect, and the left uses this strategy to replace American symbols with their own.

Notable Quotes:

• “The entire thing is to show America’s in ashes … to demoralize.” — Andrew Wilson (34:14)
• “We [the U.S.] center the margins, but we should center families.” — Phil Labonte (88:06)
• “The only country that allows foreign nationals to burn their flag on their soil.” — Jack Posobiec (31:34)

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3. Immigration Enforcement and Judicial Roadblocks

(Deportation case: 64:55–74:09)

• Breaking Legal Update: An Obama-appointed federal judge blocked deportation of Kilmar Abrego Garcia, an alleged MS-13 member, despite his involvement in gang activity and human trafficking.
• The panel skewered the decision as symptomatic of entrenched left-wing institutional power (judges, NGOs) working against effective enforcement.
• Discussion of symbolic vs. practical impact — fighting these one-by-one cases sets a precedent and signals seriousness, but entrenched resistance remains strong.

Panel Sentiment:
“This is what they do with power—never let go, fight back every chance.” — Jack Posobiec (66:48)

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4. Cultural Erosion: Family, Food Chains, and Symbolism

(Cracker Barrel discussion: 76:30–90:18)

• Cracker Barrel Rebrand: The classic restaurant’s attempt to “modernize” and downsize its signature family-friendly, Americana brand — panel took this as symptomatic of the war on American tradition and anti-family sentiment.
• Comparison of older American symbols (restaurants, playgrounds, family imagery) to current trends in both public space and corporate branding — concern that anti-family, anti-tradition policies are deliberate and demoralizing.
  • “The world used to be made for families.” — Jack Posobiec (84:42)
• Broader critique of feminized education, anti-natal policies, generational decline, and the “boomer slop” meme.

Notable Quotes:

• “If you want to hurt universities, cut down Chinese student enrollments — that’s their cash cow.” — Jack Posobiec (117:18)
• “We aborted them all.” — Andrew Wilson (87:17), on missing young generations

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5. Media, Institutions, and Power

• The panel repeatedly attacked legacy media and left-wing institutions for “blatant lying,” especially regarding crime, immigration, and cultural narratives (e.g., Guantanamo coverage, flag-burning events).

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6. American Identity, Morality, Christian Values, and Political Pragmatism

• Strong thread arguing for the necessity of legislating morality (or explicitly Christian values) against an unhinged left; regular calls for returning to “top-down” propagation of American symbols and Christian ethics, referencing Constantine and historical state-led morality.
• Frequent debate over whether “all laws legislate morality” — though some panelists, like Phil, pushed back that such moves would run afoul of the First Amendment and the Supreme Court.

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7. Pop Culture Sidebar: Snoop Dogg vs. Kids’ LGBTQ Characters

(Segment: 93:05–96:08)

• Snoop Dogg’s comments about being troubled by LGBTQ themes in kids' movies made headlines, with the panel noting it’s culturally significant when even mainstream hip-hop figures push back.
  • “Things have gotten to a certain point when you’ve got Snoop Dogg pushing back ...” — Jack Posobiec (94:32)
• Tied it to broader arguments about family values, generational churn, and rejection of radical social engineering.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Posobiec on media bias:
  “CNN headline … you can hear the breathlessness … how many SSRIs went into this?” (05:18)
• Wilson on local officials:
  “If these guys won't enforce the laws and we’re losing, you know, 4, 6, 10, 12, 16 people a day, eventually someone’s going to have to put an end to the carnage.” (09:43)
• Labonte on precedent:
  “The Left has already proven they’ll do things outside the realm of normal. ... Your reason to not exercise power … ‘Oh, the Dems will do it…’ They’re going to do it anyways!” (29:56)
• Cashman’s broader concern:
  “I’m uncomfortable giving the president that much power in the local community.” (24:08)
• On flag burning as demoralization:
  “It’s to show America’s in ashes … keep the country in turmoil, never-ending color revolution, designed to demoralize.” — Wilson (34:14)
• Debate on legislative morality:
  “All laws are morality … marriage laws, murder laws, theft laws — all moral laws from Christian ethics.” — (53:43)
• Cracker Barrel as a symbol:
  “If we're talking about symbols, what is it a symbol of? It’s a symbol of American heritage, how we got here … old America vs. new America.” — Posobiec (80:26)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Trump National Guard Executive Order: 05:18–24:14
• Flag Burning Law and Debate: 30:43–54:04
• Deportation Case and Judicial Fight: 64:55–74:09
• Cracker Barrel, American Family, and Culture Wars: 76:30–90:18
• Snoop Dogg on LGBTQ Characters: 93:05–96:08

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Episode Tone & Style

• Assertively skeptical of Democrat officials, woke culture, and media narratives;
• Blunt, full of sarcasm and in-group references;
• Unabashedly pro-Trump, trad, Christian-values, pro-family;
• Frequent jabs at libertarians and centrist “fairness" arguments.

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Conclusion

This episode offered an unfiltered, sharp-edged debate on the limits of federal power, the collapse of urban governance, the fight over national symbols, and the ongoing tug-of-war for American identity, both in the law and in culture. The panel called for aggressive use of institutional power by the right, cautioning against inaction out of fear of leftist “blowback.” Recurrent themes included the sanctity of American symbols, family, and law and order, as well as the need to combat institutionalized leftism at every level.

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For those who missed the episode, this summary covers the most crucial analysis, controversies, and memorable lines—minus the ads and filler.

Transcript

[A]

Sam Foreign.

[B]

What's up, guys? The Poso cast has begun. So Jack Posobic here, host of Human Events Daily, filling in for the great Tim Pool, who hit me up this morning and said, look, I need some help. Can you come on in? I said, I'm more than happy to do so. So Tim is currently on the mend and we'll see. Perhaps he might even be here tomorrow. So we'll see. But in the meantime, you got me. And no, no beanie tonight. I said, guys, I'm not doing it. The hair, it was looking a little too nice today, so I couldn't do it. But what else is looking nice? I love some of the stories that we have tonight. I'll run through them just a little bit. Trump mobilizing the national guard across 19 states. States, law enforcement, ICE. We're going to dig into this specialized National Guard unit. Cnn of course, freaking out. We love it. Then of course we know we're going to get into this one and you know we were going to get into this. Prosecuting the burning of the American flag. Is this a long standing American bedrock tradition? Is this our freedom? We'll see. Obama appointed the judge saying that the Trump admin was forbidden from deporting Kilmar Abrego Garcia. This is just breaking news. So I want to actually hadn't even read that before we started here. So they're saying you can't get rid of him. We'll see about that. And then of course we get into it. Couple other stories, the back of the end. But before we get into our guests, I want to tell you that this episode is sponsored by Boonies Skateboard. Proudly American. Built right here for riders who live free and don't compromise. Boonies isn't just about skateboards. It's about spirit. The same grit and independent independence that built this country. Whether you're out in the streets, the suburbs, the heartland, these boards are made to last, made to ride. And made in America support a company that stands for freedom, durability and the American way. Boonie skateboards. Ride American, ride free. I love the uncancelable at the Maltese Cross there. What, what other decks we got? What other decks we got, guys? Anything new? Let's back it up. The deck luration of independence. You get, it's, it's a, it's a skate deck. You get it. And then you also have your choice. By the way, be gay, don't be g. It's a choice. You know, it's right there. That's the pride collection. You know, and it's interesting. So the question I wonder is, is this a message to others or is this about yourself? I don't even know. It's your choice, I suppose. And then you got the, you've got the Richie Jackson, so many others. Also the cast brew coffee Cub Club. Make sure you're checking that out. You got the 1776 signature blend from Josie special. This is incredible. You got to power yourself, power your day. And if you're like me and you're suddenly finding yourself hosting a three hour show that you weren't even planning to on your kids first day of school for that year, you're going to need some cast brew coffee. So Serge, light up the coffee. We got to get some. But want to introduce, introduce our guests and very excited to be sitting down. Andrew Wilson.

[A]

Hey, how's it going? Thanks for having me, I really appreciate it. And also to disagree with your ad. No, no, be gay, don't be gay. Don't, don't, don't do it.

[B]

There's a choice though. You could have one or the other.

[A]

Yeah, I know, I know. But you should just make the right choice.

[B]

That's all I'm saying.

[A]

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[B]

Yeah, I've seen your stuff on X. Seen your stuff go viral. People, people have actually asked me, they said, when are you gonna do something with Andrew Wilson? I said, well, we're doing it today.

[A]

Doing it today.

[B]

Here we go. All right, let's go around.

[C]

What's up? I am Shane Cashman. I host Inverted World live Monday through Thursdays. I go live tonight at 10 o' clock right after this show. I'll be running out of here at 9:40 to go host my show down the road. We will be Talking about underwater UFOs and fans of the show will know we have a caller calling in tonight who's a sergeant who knows about Mars.

[B]

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[C]

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[B]

Actually, I want to see that. Tate.

[C]

What's up, dude?

[D]

What's up, Tate? Brown here holding it down. It's the new catch working that in there. We're getting there. I've been filling in the morning shows you got to see. This morning. We had an interview with Nick Sorter. It was excellent. We discussed the crackdown. We didn't know what. It's a unit squad move. There's a lot of different words we could use, but we're gonna use the crackdown nationwide. It's gonna be a beautiful thing. So we're gonna get into that.

[B]

That's great. Yeah, we'll talk about that. Hello, everybody.

[E]

My name is Phil labonte. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band all that Remains. I'm an anti communist and a counter revolutionary. Let's jump right into it, all right?

[B]

Jump writing in. Jump writing in. Yeah, of course. So I love the CNN headline on this, by the way. So Trump signs executive order establishing specialized. You can hear the breathlessness that they're writing anxiety. National Guard units. Yeah. How many SSRIs went into this?

[A]

You know, they wanted to put stormtroopers there.

[B]

You know, they're so close to writing storm. Look at the. Look at the graphic, right? Just this. Oh, my gosh, look at them. Just the local marching along. Totally out of soldiers, you know, so specialized units, specifically trained and equipped to deal with public order issues. So they're talking about specific units. Specialized units of what? Okay, I understand what's in the first paragraph. I already understand what they're talking about. So specialized units. They're talking about crowd control. There's about crowd control units. All right, don't. Like, just, just. It's so obvious that they. You. They could use. And we say this every day, but they could obviously have just said it's crowd control units. That's what we're looking at. We're looking at people who are designed, I believe, and any army guys in the chat. Correct me if I'm wr. Wrong, but I believe that's a version of the military police. I think it's an MP designator that goes in under that, and then it's. It's riot control, basically. And who has that? Because they have. The ones who are training for, like, law enforcement, they have a little bit more training in terms of how to deal with those situations, and that's what they're sending in. So specialized units. It sounds so much. So much scarier when you say it that way. But also. And this is what they're losing their mind about. They're losing their mind that Trump is saying 19 more cities, potentially Chicago. Andrew, what do you think?

[A]

Well, I saw Newscom, and he Was he was going to town about this and saying that it's all a ploy by Trump in order to steal the midterm elections. And that's why they're mobilizing troops all over the place. Now, this, of course, was carryover from his massive embarrassment when, when his little speech got raided by ice. Which was hilarious, right? It was hilarious. But this is what they're all upset about. The truth is, is that there used to be an ongoing meme that we would lose more people in Chicago in a day than we did in the Afghanistan war during the war on terror. I remember, and it's true. That's been going on now. People forget. Go back to when Trump gave his very first victory speech. You remember, all the commentators were saying it's about strength because he said American carnage, the days of American carnage are over. So this shouldn't be a surprise to people. Trump's been talking about doing this for a long time. He talked about doing it when he was running the first time. He talked about possibly mobilizing the military to go into these places where we're losing more people than we were in legitimate wars. So I think it's a good idea. I would like to see more troops.

[E]

I'm curious, how many of the 19 cities in question, how many of them have Democrat mayors?

[B]

Probably all of them. So they asked him this question in the Oval Office earlier today, and they said, you know, are you going to be sending troops to red cities? And he just gives the reporter a look like, what? What red cities? Does anyone know any reds? Can we name these red cities? Have you heard of these red cities? There are no red cities. And even in some of the large cities where you may nominally have a Republican mayor or, you know, New York's got an independent right now, like, the city is still blue. It's still very, very blue. The point being is, is they've allowed that, you know, blueness or whatever, the liberalism and soft on crime approach, because you have to consider the rights and the interests of the criminal actually coming before the rights of tourists, citizens, children, family, thinking about New York. But any of those people who actually have much more of a right to those streets and than the criminal does.

[A]

Well, look at, look at, like San Francisco. Look at many of these places where you have junkies in the street in a zombie like state. You guys remember seeing all those videos, of course, they're going through, they're scanning them and these guys are just hanging there like it's, like it's not the living dead.

[B]

I'M from the Philly area, and we've got a. Got a place like that called Kensington, and they actually refer to it now as Kensington Beach. And you can go on Instagram and find like, Kensington beach accounts or whatever, and you can get, like, T shirts that say Kensington beach because there are so many people laying out that it looks like they're at the beach because it looks like they're sun tanning or something.

[A]

Let me ask you something. Don't you consider it. I know it's not constitutional treason, but in your mind, isn't it somewhat treasonous that the mayors of these cities and governors of these states essentially are soft on crime in order to placate a minority, a minority group whose votes they want? It's part of them bribing the electorate, right? And so the idea that, hey, I'm going to send the military in because you won't do your job, which we saw during the California riots, I watched them every single night live, covered them on multiple cameras. We were watching them get into fights with the police, burning the squad cars, setting fires. Get it, we would call it dumpster mode, the next dumpster mo. And they would put the dumpsters up and start fighting, right? They told the police, obviously, to stand down. I mean, we were watching it. They told them, stand down, don't do anything. Right? Let them do what they're doing. Until Trump sent in the Marines and that, that put a stop to it. And their little day of rage didn't really go off as well as they had hoped because there was some, some military there taking care of it. And it's like, at some point we're going to have to look at this and say, if these guys won't enforce the laws and we're losing, you know, 4, 6, 10, 12, 16 people a day, eventually someone's going to have to put an end to the carnage.

[E]

How much do you, how much do you think that it's. How much do you think that it's about the voters in the, you know, specific metropolitan areas or whatever? And how. Or versus how much do you think it's about actually placating people in a PR move? Because I feel like both.

[A]

Because I feel like it's not. One's not excluding the other. The thing is, is Democrats work in unison for national campaign pr. You're right about that. There's no doubt about that. But you still also have your localized elections, and the truth is, is that they are pandering to minority groups as much as possible for lighter sentences. Things like this so they seem to want to move towards rehabilitation, even though there's no rehabilitation going on in Philadelphia.

[B]

No matter how bad the murder rate has gotten. Larry Krasner, the Soros da, just keeps getting reelected over and over and over. So I think this speaks to what you're saying, that it's in a very odd way of putting it, they keep voting for murder.

[E]

Wouldn't that be a lot of that have to do with outside money and outside influence, though?

[A]

Yeah, NGOs, of course NGOs are involved.

[B]

Well, I mean, he's a Soros DA.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, NGOs are always involved in this. You know what I mean? But the question here, what we're moving down to, is this, if these people will not stop this, if these Democrats won't stop it, how does it get stopped?

[E]

Part of the reason why I asked that and I pushed back on the idea is just because you see so many videos coming out of D.C. where people that are actual residents, that are like, this is great, I can drive around in my car with the window open in the summer and I don't feel like I'm going to get carjacked. I don't feel like, blah, blah, blah. There are a lot of people that are posting these things on the Internet saying, look, it's much safer. And I know that the people that are most upset about crime in an area are the people that live there. So I feel like there's. I mean, and not that I've done any kind of, you know, any kind of surveys or deep dive on this.

[A]

This doesn't feel like pushback. This feels like, okay, so fine.

[E]

But I just wanted to unpack. You know what I mean?

[B]

What you're highlighting, though, what you're highlighting is that there is a disconnect between the actual experience and the interests of the citizens and the preference reflected.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

If they're getting good results from this policy, why don't they vote for this policy when they have the ch.

[D]

Well, also, the people that are getting disenfranchised the most when these cities fall apart is the people in the suburbs, because those are the descendants of people that were pushed out of those cities a few decades back.

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So you were talking about D.C. so obviously D.C. now. President could do more there. It's a federal district. It's not a state. It is a federal city. So he can do more. But that being said, it'll give us, I think, some clue as to the sort of things that we might be seeing in Chicago. Chicago and these other 19 cities.

[D]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, the point he made was, obviously, there's not a clear pathway, like, for example, to Chicago. He said something that could be a possibility to make this work would be if the Cook county sheriff deputies federal agents. But once again, that all depends on who the sheriff is of the county.

[B]

Well, it still also comes down to. So the way I understand most of it is that it still comes down to if you're. If you're in for. So federal agents can always, always, obviously be involved in a. In enforcement of federal law. So if you can find a nexus, like, say, I don't know, gun trafficking or something, or atf, where they're, you know, they're breaking gun laws.

[A]

Interstate commerce.

[B]

Interstate commerce. Now.

[A]

Now all of a sudden, just interstate. Like, the second you go interstate becomes federal. Right, right. So the second the gun leaves the border, now it's a federal crime. Now they can get. Yeah, now they can get. They can get involved. And so, yeah, that's. That's one reasonable pathway. The truth is, though, it's like what I saw during those riots was just the show of force calmed things way down. Not at first. At first, you know, people wanted to make an example of it, and so they wanted to go fight with the. The Marines. But that didn't last very long. And it did seem like it calmed that entire order down very, very quickly. We were very disappointed. You know, the big heyday. We all had our popcorn. You know, we all had our beer. We were live. I was there with the audience, and we're like, this is it, boys. We're finally gonna watch them get wrecked in the streets. This is gonna be. And they just stood down. It was. And it's because the Marines were there.

[D]

It was beyond that. It was like a demoralization effect because they realized, oh, there's three more years of this. We're not gonna stop this.

[A]

Yeah, we're not gonna stop this Huge.

[D]

Change from the Summer of Love, where they felt like okay, we have our foot on the gas and there's a year.

[A]

The counter pr, like, to your point, the counter PR is the progressives are gonna say these are Nazi stormtroopers who are coming in from a fascist president. And the whole idea is to seize power. They can't tell you the pathway to that though, right? Because there is no pathway. There's no pathway to how President Trump mobilizes the guard for crime ridden areas and then seizes control of the country. They can never tell you that part of it because they just, they're just making it up. The truth is, is that this country's been riddled. Some of these places have been riddled so badly. Like you said, you can't have your window open. There's places my wife won't go that she's not going to go any of those places in some of these major cities, and that's in Michigan. Chicago's not that far away. And yeah, man, they're taking people out there left and right.

[E]

Tate makes a point frequently that we're kind of a vibes based country. Like the United States really, really kind of votes and acts based on how they feel, far less than actual, you know, evidence or whatever. And I think that, I think he's right and I think that it works both for the right and for the left. Like the left has the vibe that Donald Trump is this authoritarian. And look, anything that they can come up with that confirms their faith, feelings or how they, you know, their preconceived notions, they're going to say, look, this is, this is it. This is all the. I mean, how many times have you seen someone from on the left.

[B]

Right.

[E]

Excuse me, a think piece about how bad Donald Trump is and how he's a Nazi and stuff. And it doesn't matter what the policy is. Everything confirms their preconceived notion.

[A]

Yeah, I agree with that. So you're, you're talking about people giving into intuition over reason and logic. Yeah, I understand, but you still have to temper the. One of the best ways to temper that PR is with they don't have to do shit. Well, they don't have to, but I mean, the, the appeal to the. We still do have to use some sort of reason here. And I always ask progressives the same thing. Show me the path. Show me the path for how Donald Trump mobilizes the military to seize control of the country. First of all, there's no way generals would ever go for that in a million years or commanding officers or anybody else. They're Simply going in to try to do something about these crime ridden areas, which is a thing Trump talked about in his first term, on his very first speech when he said American carnage is over. He's been wanting to do this for a long time. So I don't even know what they're freaking out about.

[B]

I would even, I would even go a step further. I've been kind of talking about this thing behind the scenes. I wrote this piece, you know, not too long ago, talking about how Trump is a city conservative and that city conservatives are just functionally and fundamentally different from rural conservatives. And people are saying like, are you saying they're better? No, I'm not saying anyone's better.

[A]

Informed differently.

[B]

It's just that, yeah, they're formed differently. It's that, it's that Donald Trump and the MAGA movement, you know, the MAGA movement was born on a golden escalator on fifth Avenue, New York City, which is just fundamentally different than sort of the George W. Bush conservatism, which evokes this kind of, you know, like a small town esthetic and a pickup truck and a six pack and yeah, those are all cool things, but they're just fundamentally different. And whereas the city conservative, it really is more law and order focused. And I actually remember Trump.

[A]

Well, it has to be once.

[B]

Yeah, he mentions once that it was the Freddie Gray riots back in 2015 and Melania, when they were burning Baltimore down. And Melania was watching that with him and she said, and he'd been kind of kicking around, okay, 2016, do I want to run? He hadn't in 12 and they were watching that on TV and her turning him and just saying, look at this, you have to, you have to run. And it was so, it was those images of the breakdown of law and order because in order for a city to city, right, in order for a city to be formed, it must be, you know, it has to be red coded right at the very beginning or else, you know, you know, I'm sorry, like the libs. You're not going to build a city. Like, you just, you never will. It's not going to happen. And you need to have those laws to establish that order from the chaos to begin with, or else you're just going to get chaos, which is what we have now. And so the city conservative is basically formed and activated by having all of that stolen from them and they're fighting to get it back. But rather than conserving.

[A]

Yeah, but isn't what, what's happened what usually happens here? Is when they send, you know, troops or anything like this, or even feds to come in and try to put an end to carnage going on in a major city. You have small splinter cell groups like Antifa, things like this who are NGO funded. Even though we can't seem to find the NGOs, they're NGO funded. Don't they go in and purposely agitate in order to make it seem like the people are really against this? The people hate this. This is really fascist and oppressive and this. They're always trying to optically make it seem that way, even if it's really not that way.

[B]

I think it's a great point. I think you're going to get, I think you're definitely gonna see an activation of antifa groups in, especially in places, Portland, Seattle, probably Chicago as well people, Seattle for sure that when Kyle Rittenhouse happened, and even though that was Kenosha, they were driven up from Chicag. So that was all groups of people from Chicago that had gone to Kenosha. So there are pretty, pretty sizable and well formed organizations still there. And unfortunately, with the exception of Georgia, which I've actually said Governor Kemp in Georgia has done a great job of rolling these guys up. And so Georgia's the one example you're mentioning. The NGOs, they actually went after the NGOs, they went after the bundlers when they were going after that cop city training center they were talking about. And they rolled up all of these people that were raising money for Antifa. And yes, what got, you know, what a surprise. They were actually finding NGOs, legal, quasi legal groups that were funding all of it, of course. So that hasn't been done nationwide.

[A]

And the purpose is for. And you're going to see you're going to optics, right? And there could be something here. And I'm glad you bring this up to kind of draw that poison out. Right. Another way for us to maybe start following the money back to other NGOs who are funding these types of groups. And yes, the idea here, they are going to try to make it an optical disaster by agitating whoever, you know, whoever comes in to enforce law and order and make it seem like these are fascists, they're here to take your rights and beat you in the streets and things like this, when actually they're agitating the law enforcement. Right.

[C]

So I agree, Andrew, with your take on these mayors and governors being treasonous. And that's a good reason to go into these cities and clean them up. I'm also for tactical Strikes against riots. But I am uneasy cheering on military presence in, in these cities if it's a sustained presence. And because I'm not confident that the right's going to hold power after Trump. And I see these people weaponizing that against us once again, whether it's on J6ers or if there's a quote, unquote plague happening and they want to rip you out of your homes. I was in New York in 2020 and they were trying to pass a bill where they could just rip me out of my house. You know, so that's like, that's my only problem with something like this is what they can do with this precedence in the future.

[A]

Well, let me ask you a question then. I understand your concern.

[B]

And I mean, to your point, though, it's not just a precedent that Trump is setting because they were doing this during COVID Right. So you already had Democrat Governor Tim Waltz, you know, was sending around stuff to enforce these lockdowns, and you can all see videos about this.

[C]

So on a state level.

[B]

On a state level, right.

[C]

They weren't. Biden didn't send out the military to this degree.

[B]

You.

[C]

He did in D.C. in D.C. which is. I'm fine with D.C. i have no problem with D.C. because it's D.C. well, to.

[A]

Just to ask you a quick question, Steel man, you're.

[B]

I don't disagree with very. I think the president is kind of.

[A]

Already you're saying, hey, look, if the military is deployed now, we have a precedent possibly against Posse Comitatus, something like this. And so that could carry over to Democrat administrations which are then used to oppress you. That's the basic position. My question to you would just be, what could you even think of as an alternative that the president could do from a law enforcement perspective to enforce any of the laws in these places where dozens of people in some cases are murdered daily.

[C]

Yeah, I know. And I do want these safer cities, but I see it having to happen on a local level and making the people unfortunately have to vote for a better mayor.

[A]

Like, it's not happening and the president has to enforce the law.

[C]

Right. But we had it with Giuliani in New York City. He did clean up the city after a really bad time. And I was very appreciative of that. Despite him sending most of those homes.

[A]

Look what they did to him. I know they destroyed him. And they stopped, stop and frisk and all of that stuff came back. And on top of that, they destroyed him politically after that.

[C]

So I just am uncomfortable giving the president that much power in the local community.

[A]

But see what I mean? Like, unless it's a tactical shoot, I understand the concern, but it doesn't actually answer to the question what's the alternative?

[C]

What the local, the people voting for.

[A]

Yeah, but how does the President affect that?

[C]

The president. The president should, I'm saying the President should be out, but with this, he's in.

[A]

So this is the one thing he can do which is within his power to do. And if these treasonous local officials refuse to enforce the laws because they get stand down orders from Democrats who are in the pockets of NGOs and everything else we just talked about, what else can he actually do at his disposal to stop that?

[C]

Well, yeah, if we can all agree that it is treason. And I think these governors are collapsing these places on purpose because they want to. It's a war against the country.

[A]

Sure.

[C]

That if that is, if we can all get along with that, then it is a war. Well, they have, I think we've been in a war without even defying.

[A]

We're not going to get along on that.

[B]

Right, but they have already begun in some cases. You know, when you're talking about the lack of enforcement or refusing to enforce immigration laws. We've already seen indictments against mayors.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And potentially you could see more of that. And I think when it comes down to this immigration law, and not just, you know, refusal, refusal to follow, but even aiding and abetting if you're someone who's done that. And it's been some smaller cases now, but I think that you could roll that out depending on what's done. Right. If someone is to really cross that.

[A]

Line, these guys are within their authority to do this. They're within their authority to not enforce laws or give more minimum.

[B]

That's what I'm saying. If they cross, if they cross the line.

[A]

Yeah, but where's the line? Like how many dozens more need to be dead daily before we move to this line? This is what I'm saying is like from the President down, the President of the United States, he has access to the soldiers of the United States. He's a commander in chief. Okay. And he can deploy them foreign and domestic for whatever threat comes up. For the most part, even without an act of Congress, what else could he personally actually do? He can't actually do anything.

[B]

The framing of this is kind of ridiculous because they say Trump is doing this, Trump is sending this, Trump is sending this. It's all Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump focused. And, and even, even us doing so what is he Dealing with. He's dealing with the crime epidemic that's going on in our country right now. And ICE is dealing with the migrant crisis that is going on in our cities right now, both of which are interrelated for how that works. And so it's amazing. Right. So our cities are overflowing. This is causing crime. There's also these transnational narco terror groups that are involved. In fact, I believe Stephen Miller mentioned earlier this morning in one of the briefings that they've as. As they've taken more of a look at Washington, D.C. they're even finding a direct. This is going to sound crazy, guys. Did you know that the street gangs in our cities are getting their drugs from drug cartels?

[A]

No way.

[B]

I just. Just go with me.

[A]

What about.

[B]

Slow down.

[A]

Yeah. What about.

[E]

They don't go to the corner store like everyone else?

[B]

I know.

[A]

Jimmy Dore did a great piece. Everyone should go watch it. Whether you like Jimmy Dore or not, he did a great piece on what's going on in D.C. and how they change the category of what crime is to make it look like crime has been going down.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Violent crime. When it actually hasn't. And then he had. It's great. It's a. It's a great video. You can find it on his channel. I was just reviewing it, I think, two days ago. But what they do is, you got to, like, with crime, it's all definitional. Right?

[B]

Right.

[A]

So you just change the definition, and then you could add percentages to this other definition, which should really go in this other violent category. And through this, they were able to kind of show to the public, well, crime is actually decreasing. Violent crime, when it's not actually decreasing at all.

[B]

Literally. The plot of the Wire.

[A]

Yeah. And the entire thing is just nonsense. And so the question becomes again, and this is the one I always come back to, and I have never gotten a good answer on, because I don't think there is one. Right. It's like, no offense to you, there's just not a good answer for this.

[B]

This.

[A]

What do you do if you have treasonous Democrats in charge of these cities and in charge of even these states who refuse to enforce the laws or add new minimums for the purposes of placating, you know, a minority constituency for the purpose of national pr, other than send in the troops to enforce the law? Our citizens are still suffering there. Our citizens are still getting killed.

[B]

In fact, he is the president of all American citizens.

[A]

Citizens. Yeah. So he has an obligation to do this. Right. Like, if he doesn't have the obligation. Who does?

[B]

No, and. And it's very clear to your point, Shane, about, you know, what Giuliani did in New York, the broken windows, that he's obviously, who was very closely related with Giuliani at the time that they were working together. He was sort, you know, obviously on the economic side, Giuliani on the law enforcement side. But they turned New York from, you know, the taxi driver in New York and Robert De Niro to this, like, amusement park and specifically Times Square. And, you know, everybody wants to go but you. Not that long ago, within living memory for I would say most people, it was not like that. And it was like that. It became that way when Anderson Cooper's.

[A]

Getting kissed on the penis by Kathy Griffin.

[B]

In Times Square.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And you're. You're right. I mean, you're right about that.

[B]

So he's. He's clearly just trying to find a way to do that in every city. It's very clear that that played a huge role in his, you know, in his upbringing, in his life, and he wants to be able to do that. I think that's obvious.

[A]

Well, and I think that you bring up a legitimate concern. It is a legitimate concern. I can foresee how this could possibly come back to bite Republicans in the ass if it's the case that we set the precedent, and then they're like, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Now it's being used.

[B]

But I never want to say, let's not do something because, oh, what if the left.

[A]

Exactly, to that point.

[E]

Blowback.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

Well, the thing is, the left. The left has already proven that they will do things that are outside of the realm of normal. They do not care about precedent. They do not care about what. They don't even care about what's legal. They were arresting President Trump's. His lawyers. So if they don't care and then your. Your. Your reason to not exercise power when you have it is, oh, well, the Dems will. They're gonna do it anyways.

[A]

Well, come on. Their rhetoric led to Trump almost getting assassinated.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, they really try to take him out.

[B]

Well, I'm thinking, guys, I'm thinking that since. Since we are talking about what the Dems might be doing and we're talking about riots and talking about inciting violence in cities, this could possibly lend us to segue into our next topic, which is on flag burning.

[C]

Nice.

[B]

Hard, hard, hard time. Hard segue there.

[A]

That was well done.

[B]

Thank you. Thank you. Well, so here's what's interesting about this Because. Because. So they signed this new executive order this morning. President signs it, prosecuting the burning of the American flag. And people say, whoa, whoa. I was told the Supreme Court said, totally cool. All. You know, that's a bedrock, lifelong American value all the way back to the founding fathers of 1989, when this. When this agreement came down for the Supreme Court, when the ruling came down. But what's interesting is about. Because I've actually gone through and read the executive order, which I don't think most people have, and it specifically talks about, and this is interesting, foreign groups of foreign nationals burning the American flag as a calculated act to intimidate and threaten violence against Americans because of their nationality and place of birth.

[A]

Talking about the California riots.

[B]

Right, The California riots. And American as a nationality and America as a place of birth. So we are the only country in the world where we allow foreign nationals to come in and burn our flag and say they're perfectly allowed to do this while intimidating and threatening us.

[A]

Made hybrid flags, remember, Right. In California, they made the hybrid flag, mixing the Mexican flag and the American.

[B]

Right. Yeah.

[A]

So they've done everything possible to desecrate and demoralize the American public through flag burning, through the destruction of the symbols that we care about. Absolutely. I don't want to hear anything about freedom of speech. These guys will tear down monuments. They tear down the Confederate flag in the South. They don't give a. About freedom.

[D]

Yeah. They prosecute you if you do a burnout on the pride crosswalk.

[C]

That's a totally different subject.

[B]

Wait, before we get to all this, we'll do this. This. Which I want. Which I definitely want to get to. I want to point out that people are saying, how is he getting around the Supreme Court decision? Right. Isn't this just obviously. Obviously incorrect? You say, ah, but what they've done is they're saying, notwithstanding the Supreme Court's rulings on First Amendment protections, the court has never held that American flag desecration conducted in a manner that is likely to incite imminent lawless action, or that is an action amounting to, quote, quote, fighting words, is constitutionally protected. So it seems like what. And it's just my, you know, kind of lay reading on it. I don't think any of us are lawyers that, you know, let's say you're burning, you buy a flag, Amazon, whatever, you bring it to your house, you decide to burn your flag and act a protest. This wouldn't cover that. But what it would cover is all of the other instances that we're Talking about.

[A]

Yeah, like them burning it in the middle of the street, starting fires in California with the flags and things like this, which they were doing.

[B]

Doing.

[A]

They would just argue argument. They would just argue. Well, that that would already fall under arson laws. Why do you need this law? Well, the thing is, it's like you are correct. What they're saying here is if it's the case that we can see that you're doing this in a manner which looks like incitement, now we can get you for incitement. It's not just burning the flag anymore. Right. We're going to go out now. This is a workaround. I agree that that's kind of what they're doing by holding up the Supreme Court decision here and saying, we're gonna work around it.

[B]

They actually cite it.

[A]

I don't think it goes far enough. I would like to see it repealed. If you burn the American flag in America, you need to be dealt with. It's a traitorous act. It's a treasonous act as far as I'm concerned. It's a seditious act at the very least. And I have no idea why we wanna import millions of people who then go to California, make a hybrid flag, start fires and burn a flag. It's crazy.

[B]

You mentioned. And real quick, you mentioned it was demoralizing.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Unpack that.

[A]

Yeah. Well, okay, so this is the main thing. So all of the flag burning with the media in front of it, this type of thing, the entirety of it, is to show America's in ashes, right? They're gonna get that snapshot and they're gonna put the perfect filter on it. They're gonna put the perfect background there with the filter that shows the American flag burning. And the whole point of it is to say, america's on fire. We're at the precipice, we're at the brink. And the whole thing is to kind of keep the country in this idea of turmoil, this consistent idea of turmoil, never ending turmoil, never ending color revolution. It's designed specifically to demoralize. Why do you think they hand them out? They hand them out with lighters. We were watching the California riots. People would heap garbage in the middle of the road and a masked guy would come by and out of his pocket he'd pull out lighter fluid, spray the lighter fluid all over it, light it, and then walk off. Where the hell are these guys getting all of this? They came totally prepared to start arsonist fires, right? That's what they were prepared to do. All of it's designed to be demoralizing to the American public. And it's always been designed to be demoralizing to them.

[B]

Look, if you value something, you would protect it. You would enshrine that in law. I was tweeting about this earlier today. I saw some of your stuff about this. I couldn't agree more. I do think that this will be a test of the Supreme Court. I also think that it's kind of ridiculous list to say that it is a 20th, 20th century notion, a very modern notion to think that the First Amendment covers this kind of activity. This is not. This political expression was very well known to the founding fathers. In the founding generation, they. They would tar and feather people. Right? They knew the difference between speech and expression. As it turns out, our ancestors were not stupid in our, in our forefathers.

[A]

In this case, I mean, honestly, they would have shot these people, you know, not kidding. They would have.

[B]

Most of this, this, the understanding was most of this was done, was left to the states. Yeah, this was a 10th amendment protection. And it turns out that, by the way, pretty much, I think 48 of states at one point all had flag desecration laws. And this was totally accepted throughout pretty much all of American history right up until 1989.

[D]

Oh, they had blasphemy laws on the books of the 19th century. They hadn't.

[A]

Yeah, you, you make, you make a great point here with symbolism, the idea of the American symbol. So I think of it this way. It's like when you have these. It's like when you have two kids and the one, they're putting their finger really close to the other kid, they're like, I'm not touching you. I'm not touching you. I'm not touching you. And they do it for hours. And finally the other kid just belts him right. Can you believe he did that?

[B]

I never touched it.

[A]

Can you believe he did? I never actually did anything wrong. Can you believe. And of course, what happens is this is the same thing. The idea here is we're not doing anything wrong. Look, we're not doing anything wrong. Shove it in your face as much as possible, say, burn down everything you love, burn down your symbols, deface them, and try to demoralize you. And you go, well, we're going to pass a law that you can't do that anymore. I can't believe that you're a totalitarian fascist.

[B]

I wanna, I wanna see. Is there, is there anyone. Serge, check out the chat. Is there anyone who disagrees?

[A]

I just, I was thinking in the.

[C]

Chat, saying like stuff like, oh, well, it's. It's not actually a crime. It's actually. Guys, it's not actually a crime to burn the flag, actually. Did you know that you're not. It's not actually a crime to run the flag, which is just talking about.

[A]

This not touching you, this whole midwittery thing.

[C]

We're talking before the show, like, where.

[A]

It'S like, like, yeah, okay, we know.

[C]

It'S not a crime. Like, we shouldn't be encouraging or allowing everyone to do it on mass at every protest across the country. I just see them in the chat, like you asked us on this. I definitely disagree. I don't, I, I don't want the flag to be burned, but I, it's like my last, my last argument. I just think, I just think you have that right to burn it in the street if you want. That's what Johnson was doing. Yeah, I, you know, I've got a.

[E]

Little more nuanced take than. Than Shane. I think that as a. Like, if you've got someone with a green card or something like that or someone that's not a citizen, then that should be grounds to revoke their green card, send them back. But personally, I think any reason that you can get to revoke green cards and send people back is fine with me. I like the idea of people being able to do it so you know who the bad guys are. Same reason that I'm. I like free speech. So people will. Will tell you the bad things. Tell you the things that. That you know, will say the things.

[B]

Can you make that argument for all crime, though?

[E]

Pardon me?

[B]

Couldn't you make that argument for like.

[E]

No.

[B]

Aha. There's the murderer. Look at him killing that child.

[E]

Because, I mean, because the reason being is because this is, this is something that will happen at protests, something that'll happen in, in certain contexts. I mean, regardless of confusion about who.

[A]

The bad guys are, even if there's confused, it's not always the same. People stand it.

[B]

I think they would still do it regardless of what the law expanded to.

[E]

All crime is not to expand it to all crime really misses the point. The point is it's fine if people want, like, I don't have a problem with people that want to. Or, Or I don't have a problem with people burning the flag. Right. Because it's. If it's their own property or whatever. I don't have a problem with it. There is a free speech argument, in my opinion. But also I like the idea of being able to, you Know people that actually have bad ideas and have bad motivations. I like those people feeling like they can speak out so you can identify.

[C]

But it's not always the bad people burning the flag. It can be a Marine like Smedley Butler, who's against going to war, and he's out there burning the flag.

[A]

Right.

[C]

But the context for me is what. Is what changes.

[A]

Are Marines out there burning flags?

[C]

There have been vets burning flags.

[A]

Yeah. The thing is, like.

[C]

And it doesn't mean they're Marxist. Doesn't mean they're Marxist.

[A]

I think. I think it's a rarity. But the thing is, is if you. If you have.

[B]

Well, it.

[C]

In.

[B]

In. I'll steal, man. Your argument a little bit. I think in the Vietnam War era is really. When this real. When this really kicks.

[A]

Yeah. Because a bunch of. Because a bunch of hippies. Because hippies who, again, were backed by massive communist NGOs. And anybody who looks at the 60s era can see the infiltration of feminism via NGOs, via Rockefeller Foundation.

[C]

That has nothing to do with not wanting to go to war.

[A]

Well, and I agree with that. Hang on. It. It kind of did. It was all tied in together.

[C]

Right, but it doesn't mean. But you're supporting feminism by not wanting to go.

[A]

No, I agree with that. I'm just saying that all of this was tied in as a psyop, essentially. And all I would point out is this. You don't take the most powerful symbol that you can get behind that men have run behind one of the most. Most kind of like, if you look at that. The Iwo Jima, that statue. Iojima. Right. The. The guy has the flag up and.

[B]

There'S our flag is our most.

[C]

I would say it should be the.

[A]

Cross enshrined as this thing. The reason it's on the. The military uniform going the. The opposite direction is because it's supposed to emulate, as a soldier's running, the flags blowing behind him. Right. It's such a powerful patriotic motivator and a powerful glue that holds society together. These people erode those things. That's what LGBTQ is always about. What all of this stuff is about is the erosion of the symbols, the things that are.

[B]

Well, and you can.

[A]

And it's like, no, you can't burn them. You go to fucking jail. Good.

[B]

And. And the way that. The way that you can prove this test, by the way of what you're saying in the fact that it's a road, it's not just erosion, but it's also Replacement. Right. So replace. We're replacing your, Your symbols of power, your sacred totems with ours. And so in the same token, by the same vector, you go to any live, any leftists. And we all know what I'm going to say, but I got to say it anyway because I'm hosting the show. Is, Is okay. Would you, Would you hold the same for an LGBT flag or one of those pride crosswalks or a trans flag or just, you know, pick any other of your hodgepodge of flags that they all have, you know, at any coffee shop, by the way?

[A]

Well, no, they would say by the.

[E]

Way, but there shouldn't be. They would say, that's my preference.

[B]

And they would say, you should be.

[C]

Arrested, should burn those two.

[A]

But in many states, you can't name your kid Adolf Hitler. Where are the liberals? Where are the liberals running out and saying, we demand you be able to name your child Adolf Hitler? Nowhere.

[C]

It does roll off the tongue.

[A]

And also, like, nowhere.

[D]

I was just saying, also, it's like, for me, like, I'm 24, so every time in my entire life I've seen someone burn a flag, it's one to one with people that hate me. So it's like I'm also kind of tired of protecting the rights of people that hate me, like, all the time.

[C]

I'm okay with protecting the rights.

[D]

I'm not.

[C]

It's most of this country, after what.

[D]

They'Ve done to me, I don't.

[B]

But. But I mean, I would, I would even push back on the idea that it's a quote unqu. Quote, Right.

[C]

Depending. Because how are you gonna, how are they going to define likely to incite? Like, that can be very vague.

[B]

I mean, that's. I'm pretty much all incitement.

[D]

If you're on top of a car.

[C]

They'Re saying they were trying to say during Johnson, him burning the flag in public was going to incite violence. They obviously did. They didn't. It didn't.

[A]

Yeah, but that. Isn't that an exception? Like, most of the places you see a lot of flags. I don't think there. A lot of violence.

[B]

I don't think the statute says.

[C]

I don't think every time, but certainly a lot.

[A]

Lot.

[C]

Certainly a lot. Especially when they're tearing down, you would.

[B]

Still need a test case, but even then, the, the incitement statute would still have a statutory definition.

[C]

I, I think the flag, the symbol of a flag burning is not going to automatically incite violence. I think the death cult of Marxism has rotten rotted the brains of these people and they'll take anything as a symbol to incite violence or as an excuse.

[B]

No, no, I don't disagree with that.

[A]

But what I'm saying is why do they use that one?

[B]

It's got a specific.

[C]

Well, they use a ton. It's not the only.

[A]

They mostly use.

[C]

They usually, if they touch, if they touch the American flag, they hit hiss. They usually don't even touch it. Usually.

[A]

Well, they'll touch it to burn it. You know, in fact, I remember in the California riots, we were watching, when we were watching them live, there was multiple times where they were handing these flags out where people were saying, guys, don't wave that. It's bad optics for us. Right. It's going to turn people against us making this Mexico American flag. And they ignored them. They did it anyway. Now, I agree it was an optic eyesore, you know, but I also think that when you have symbols in a nation that help tie that nation together, the Stars and Stripes, you know, we have tons of songs about this because patriotism is part of the glue. We want, if we are legitimately attacked or assaulted, for the country to come together under a symbol. That's the symbol.

[B]

We actually call it, refer to that as the rally around the flag.

[A]

Yeah, you don't, you don't, you don't burn it, you don't desecrate it. And by the way, why didn't society fall apart before this ruling? Tell me that. How come people seem to be more free when you couldn't burn the flag than they do right now when you can't?

[B]

What I find so strange about this is people say, oh, this is. That this is a bedrock right. This is a long term. No, it's not. It's just, it's just, it's. That is a completely ahistorical argument to make. This is a 1989 decision by the Supreme Court.

[A]

The zoomers aren't that old.

[B]

This is. Yeah, exactly. Right. But the, the, And I've said, I've said stuff about this online and I completely agree with you. It's. It's the glue. It's our national symbol. This is why we, we, you know, take our. You take your hat off when the Star Spangled Banner is being sung. You put your hand over your heart. These are natural national, civic rituals.

[A]

When I was a kid. Pledged your allegiance to what? The flag of the United States of America.

[C]

I think it's okay. I think it's okay to love this country and also hate and hate the government and not Be okay with the flag because you've been.

[B]

I think it's.

[C]

I think you've been enslaved and destroyed by this government my whole life and a network of undeclared wars. And it's okay. You have that right. Despite it not being literally written in the First Amendment to say screw this.

[A]

Well, I would say that, but if.

[B]

It'S not written, then how could.

[C]

Prayer's not in there either, and automatic rifles aren't in it. Right, but it doesn't specifically say that. So they keep expanding, what, different interpretations throughout the years.

[A]

It doesn't say that. I mean, it just says that Congress can't make a national law that says everyone has to follow one religion.

[C]

Right.

[B]

It actually doesn't say that. You can't. You can ban prayer. But my point is, though, is that. Is that there's no, there's nowhere in. This is kind of like when. I feel like it's when Roe v. Roe v. Wade was sort of read into the penumbra of the Fourth Amendment where it's enshrined. It's, it's, it's there. It's there. Just look. It's enshrined. It's like where I'm reading this document over and over, I'm looking at the statements of the Founding Fathers, I don't see anything where they say, oh, yeah, it's totally cool to burn a flag. It's so, it's. It's so obvious.

[A]

Where is this for guns? Where is this ever for guns? When do I see people running out and being like, you're right to own a machine gun shall not be infringed. Never seen it once. I see tons of gun control, tons of, you can't have them. I see tons of gun bans. I don't ever see them trying to enshrine that right. But somehow when it's the one thing that's bad behavior to demoralize the entire, entire public that's enshrined is an American right. And it's always been that way. Get the out of here.

[C]

I don't think it's. I don't think it's a bedrock argument, but I do think it could encroach.

[B]

On, on expression that you're taking someone's rights away. When you say burning the flag is illegal, and I say, I don't think it's a right. I don't think it's ever been right.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

I mean, it's because it's like when you see them in the, in the LA riots, when you saw the Mexican flags and you see that you're not thinking about the Mexican government, you're thinking about Mexican people. And it's the same thing with the American flag. It's like, okay, people are saying, I'm protesting the government. It's like, well, that's great, but the flag represents the people. Like, you're protesting the existence of the American people, and there's a whole debate around what that identity is. But it's like, yeah, I mean, it's like you can protest the government in other ways, but the flag is something much deeper than a federal government.

[C]

You should be able to protest however you want, though, unless you're gonna hurt somebody. Unless you're lighting the flag and throwing on something.

[D]

But that's the whole point of this thing, is they're saying it's incitement. And it's like if.

[A]

They'll say likely.

[C]

Likely to incite.

[D]

If you're saying, I hate you and your heritage and I wanna attack you by burning it, I mean, that's incitement.

[A]

What about, though? What about the fact that this is new? You know, he cites 1989. Right. So you're saying that all the people who came before that, who honored the flag and you weren't allowed to desecrate it, they were wrong and they always should have been able to burn the flag if they wanted to.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And you don't think that's silly, why? Because the press.

[C]

I think there's other ways to be demoralized.

[A]

All the men who bled and died for it, they clearly didn't want it desecrated.

[C]

Others died for you to do whatever to the flag.

[A]

No, they didn't die.

[C]

I've talked to many of them, and that's just saying.

[A]

No, I don't think soldiers went overseas to die for people's right to butt sex or to burn flags.

[C]

You're adding butt sex in there. I don't agree with that at all.

[A]

Again, it's the same principle. Soldiers weren't joining the military to die for people's right to burn the American flag.

[C]

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying they. Some of them would think that they died for expression.

[A]

Yeah, but. But to express what?

[C]

Express their distaste. The distrust.

[A]

Distrust for the government not to burn the symbol.

[C]

Look how. Look how emotional everyone's getting over it. Seems like a pretty. To protest.

[B]

I think that's a very new kind of take on the Constitution. I think it's a very, very new read on it. I mean, I'm sure you could probably talk to people from the war on war on terror veterans who believe that. But if you go back to World War II and ask anyone, well, that's different.

[C]

Yeah, I agree. But still. But Smedley Butler, Smedley Butler, decorated Purple Heart.

[B]

Like Vietnam is probably worse.

[C]

Who wrote the book War is a Racket would probably be okay with that.

[A]

Look, more McCarthy, more MacArthur. I'm just saying, like the, the, the idea that this was the same idea of you can be a communist if you want to. Yeah, well that really sucked, didn't it? Because ultimately the communists started taking over all the institutions and they indoctrinate all of our kids and it's horrible. And so like, no, we probably should have locked them all up.

[B]

We probably should have eradicated the nrg.

[A]

We probably should have burned over the communist books.

[B]

We've, we've tried it. We've tried the sort of libertarian, hey, we can do utopia and everyone can choose their own path and everybody can. And you know, you can burn the flag or love. It doesn't work. Yeah. And it just doesn't work.

[D]

And like the way this Constitution was organized, like it worked much better when we were like a hyper homogeneous people where everyone's like the same religion, same everything, same culture. It's like now we're basically an empire and we need to start if we want to really embrace the empire life as we've structured our country in 2025, it's like the laws do need to sort of reflect that. We need a bit more order, a bit more structured everything. Because people will just take any freedom, any inch you give them. And with this kind of ridiculousness and like, I agree, I don't even know if it's really a right they will seize it to just throw.

[C]

I don't think we're gonna get a better future with this top down governance. I think we'll get a better future when this country accepts Christ. I think having a moral grounding from the bottom up, I think a moral grounding from the bottom up is gonna. What's changed generationally, but not top down. Change won't do anything.

[B]

What I think a lot of. And I had a friend, you know, from back home who's a Republican and, but not like a huge Trump person, text me earlier today and said, you know, was asking about some of this stuff and I do think a lot of what Trump is doing. When you talk about the crime, when you talk about this, the flag, when you talk about all. It's all connected. Right? So it's aesthetics. It is the broken windows policy. It is this idea that we need to reset. Right. We need a big, big public reset. And to your point, right, what can he do? Right, with the presidency, with the power that he has. Well, executive orders.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

Executive orders is absolutely something he can do. And to your point as well, how. What effect is it going to have? Is it the most effective thing?

[A]

Yeah, I understand. But like, that big.

[B]

You need that. He did the same thing with the president's. The president's fitness. Right. He's doing the president's fitness plan again. That's finally coming back. So all of these things are resets, kind of. And, you know, really, it's. It's back to the country that he remembers, that he remembers from when he was growing up, from when he was having his formative years, how the country was. He's just going, like. Even when he talks about the. I love what he talks about. The water pressure. Right? Yeah. And, you know, he said, well, the water pressure used to be a lot better. And he was right about that, actually. Yeah.

[D]

To your point, too, it's like that's why city conservatives are so different from, like, rural conservatives, even suburban conservatives, because it's like Trump's neighborhood he grew up in Queens is an entirely, entirely different, like, culture, like civilization. He grew up in Jamaica state states. Like, when he was growing up, it was German and English and Scottish. Now it's mostly South Asian. So it's like that has a really galvanizing effect. Not that, you know, not saying other people, you know, they don't see this. Obviously, they see this as well. But, yeah, for city conservatives who grew up in a place like queens and you're 70 years old, I mean, you've seen churn, a civilizational churn occur, like, on your blocks.

[B]

You.

[A]

I agree with you when you say we need to get back to Christ 100%. Right? Ethics do come. But the problem is ethics do come from the top down. What happened when Constantine converted to Christianity? What happens when emperors convert to Christianity? There is an outflow, right? So the idea here is really simple. It's like, from the top down, you do need to have elected leaders who are putting in policy which are reflective of Christian ethics. The idea of symbols, which is what the cross is, is right. What if they made a law saying, can't burn the cross? You say, well, you have a right to do that. Why? It's really stupid.

[B]

Cross burning is like, it's.

[A]

I mean, but it's. But it's actually. But not for it's actually, it would actually be stupid to take different reasons to take this, like.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

To take this symbol which.100, which gives people so much union over something and then make it legal.

[C]

I just don't, I just don't put that much power or weight into any symbol. Symbol.

[A]

You put it in the cross.

[C]

I do. But like, still, it's just a material object from the material world. People do whatever they want, but it's.

[A]

Not, it has a, it's a, it's a material object which has a representation of the meta.

[E]

But even if you guys are. Look, but we've been, you're. We're debating about whether the flag is covered under, under the First Amendment. I think it's pretty clear that as much as like Christian values is what the United States is based on, that you can't make legislation about like, that. You can legislate. You can legislate. You can't legislate morality.

[D]

Yeah. When the country was far more Christian than it is now, they had blasphemy.

[A]

And I think you can legislate morality.

[E]

I think it's all legislation. I mean that. Legislate anything that you start. If you start legislating morality, people are going to say, well, that's legislating religion. That's the argument.

[B]

They're going, all laws are morality.

[A]

And no more murder laws, no more theft laws. No, those, those are all moral laws and guidelines which are taken from Christian ethics. This idea.

[B]

Marriage laws.

[A]

Yeah. First of all, we can legislate morality. We do, and we should. And protecting exactly what the left has been doing. Yeah, good, good. The thing is, it's like, I know that they're doing that. It's good that we're finally fighting back.

[D]

And it works for them too.

[A]

It's good we can take their tactics and use them back. I'm sorry, the leftists can't burn our flags anymore. That's terrible. But I'll go die for the right to do it. That's stupid. Stupid. That's always stupid.

[E]

And guess what argument that I made.

[A]

It doesn't work.

[B]

It does not.

[E]

The argument that I'm making.

[A]

Well, what's the argument?

[E]

The argument that I'm making is you can't have, because of the First Amendment, you can't say, okay, we're going to legislate these, this, these religious tenets. Now I understand the left actually as has a religion when it comes to a lot of their ideology and it actually behaves a religion.

[A]

And so they actually have the 10th amendment. The 10th amendment. Says that if the United States government can't do it, the states prospectively can. The United States government can't make a law that says there's national religion. That's it.

[E]

I strongly, of course, had a religion. Listen, I strongly feel like that will go to the Supreme Court and the Supremacy Clause will come. It will, will kick in and they'll say, you can't do that.

[A]

You know what? A lot of people made that same argument about Roe v. Wade. It'll go to the Supreme Court and it'll die. And it didn't. And you know what? They might repeal Obergefell. That's going to be great, too.

[E]

Yeah, but that's, Those are different.

[A]

There's going to be religious too.

[E]

Those are different precedents. The precedent that the, the Oberger Feld. I'm not even to trying what, what precedent was for Obergefell, but the, the, the idea that you can pass a law that would act would in some way violate the First Amendment. They're, they're, they're going to throw their. Look, if you, if, if a state decides they want to, then they can go ahead and try it and see what the, what the, what the Supreme Court says.

[A]

There's, there's already been precedent in the Supreme Court for this being called a Christian nation. Right. It was. What was it? Lovejoy or. I don't remember what the case was, but he, he literally shot. Said it's a Christian.

[E]

If they, look, if they want to go to, if someone wants to try it and go to the Supreme Court, then fine. You can, you can. Someone can try it. Fine. I strongly believe the Court will say no under the. Well, if it falls, you cannot pass.

[A]

I think if you make the argument it falls under the 10th Amendment, that you can do some legislative things.

[E]

Like I said, I think, I think that they would say the Supremacy Clause says that. That the. But I do think First Amendment is Supreme.

[B]

I do think what we're arguing about here is, is a little bit past each other because of what Tate said earlier. Right, right. It. That the people do matter. And even, even to your point, Phil, the Supreme Court justices matter. And the Supreme Court justices are chosen by the President, who is chosen nominally by the pe. The people of the states. And, and so the people matter. And it is going to come down to the reflections of the people. And so we can, we can get into the, the nitty gritty of the 10th Amendment, the Supremacy Clause, et cetera, et cetera. But which one. Which side is going to win? Yeah, and, and that will end up being the side that has had a stack.

[E]

Part of the reason why I would say that the supremacy, that the, that the supremacy clause would take precedent and that the first Amendment would protect people would prevent states from doing it is because the, the, the conservative justices, they don't always come down where you think they're going to come down. You can reliably pick what the pre progressive justices are going to are how they're gonna vote.

[A]

Right?

[E]

You can always, they're always gonna vote in line. Sotomayor and, and Kagan and what's her name, Kajenti, Brown, Jackson. They're gonna vote the same way all the time.

[A]

All the time.

[E]

But you can't, you can't reliably predict the other ones but at the other.

[A]

Ones because that's why you shouldn't be making this prediction.

[B]

But in the past you, that's why you shouldn't make this prediction.

[E]

No, this is why you should, this is why you should be making the prediction. Because they're not reliably conservative or not reliable. Like they're not reliable at all when it comes to conservatives because the conservative justices or the normal justices, right, the. Not the ones that are not ideologically political possessed, they're the ones that actually will think about.

[B]

The question at hand is that in the past you could. Right, like this, this wouldn't have been something that was contested.

[A]

Many precedents for your ability to do it. And look, I do understand, I do understand the idea of government overreach. I was raised on this libertarian stuff, okay? The libertarian garbage. Hey, if we overreach, they're going to use it against us. They don't give a shit. They use everything against us. Anyway.

[E]

I just agreed with that point earlier tonight.

[A]

Libertarians are terrible.

[C]

I don't think. Is there a libertarian in this room?

[E]

I literally just agreed with that point earlier.

[A]

So I just say like, no, it's a powerful symbol and it needs to be protected. And I would like to see these people dragged off the street when they burn it. And I'd like to see their asses thrown in jail as an example for everybody else. That's what I want to see.

[C]

And this is how I feel about the people who did Operation Warp Speed and burning down cities during the riots. That was the most demoralizing thing. And a lot of those people were let out of prisons by Kamala Harris staff and the bail money that they were donating to.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

Yeah. No J. Sixers in prison. Prison. Those guys in prison.

[C]

Yeah. Oh, absolutely.

[B]

Segue at one point. But you know, it. It. I think the symbol argument and the effect that it has on people, especially as a dad, you know. You know, if you take your kids to Washington, D.C. and you come in and you want to go to a museum or something, and they. You walk by a group of people and you say, oh, you know, especially if you come in Union Station. Right. Union Station is where most people come to the city when they take the truck train and we have to come in. And you. You see them right there. And that's why they do it at Union Station, by the way, all the time. And suddenly they're burning a flag. Mommy, Daddy, what are they doing? They're burning the American flag. Why isn't anyone stopping them? And. And then you have to sit there and try to explain to a child. I'm not saying I've done this, but you would have to sit there and then explain to the child that the flag that we teach them matters so much. Actually, there's something beyond that that matters that you can't see and you can't touch, but it. But it matters, and that's their right to burn. It falls apart.

[A]

It is insane, and it completely falls apart. My view is totally backwards. And again, I do understand the overreach argument. I get it. But there's really not balance now. There's no balance anymore. We can't really balance everybody's different priorities.

[B]

Because they've already legislated hate crimes for a Bernie's air flags. They've already done this.

[A]

Yeah. They'll do whatever is necessary to achieve political power while we're arguing about whether or not we should.

[B]

Whether or not. Should we do something?

[A]

Yeah. Should we do something? Fight back?

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Yeah, we probably should.

[D]

It's like, yeah, do a burnout on a Pride crosswalk. They'll yank you out of your car. I mean, it's crazy.

[E]

That's not acceptable either, though.

[D]

What, Doing a burnout?

[E]

No, the idea that you get yanked out of your car for.

[A]

Oh, yeah. But unless we put in the power of law and we show that we will utilize force the same way that they're willing to. That's all they respect. All they respect on the counter is force. That's why they put their finger in your face, say, I'm not touching you, but you can't do anything about it until you smack them in the mouth. That's how it works, by the way. Just.

[B]

Just last point on. And we do have to segue, but it's it. There are plenty of countries around the world, including Western Europe, where there are flag burning laws. This isn't some like query, crazy, tyrannical, draconian super. You know, no one's ever said this before. I mean, you could pull up the list and people have in the comments just, it's country after country after country do actually criminalize this.

[C]

But just because they do it, is that okay to do it here?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I'm not.

[C]

I know you, I know you know.

[B]

Jack, in this case, just because it's.

[C]

Okay in other countries that we should, that's a precedent for us to hear and make that law.

[B]

I'm not saying that's the only reason I made it. I spent a long time explaining why I think it's a good reason, but I'm also pointing out why that other people agree with it as well.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

That is not draconian.

[C]

I just think it's, I think it's a weak measure and we have way bigger things to be fighting that I wish this administration would go after. And this is like, like a small distraction giving you guys some fast food meals to cheer about. Whereas I want to go after things that really like he, he promised to obliterate the deep state. What's, what's happening with that?

[B]

Tulsi Gabbard just said she's firing 50% of the, of the. Like, I see.

[C]

Yeah, I get it, I get it. But like there's big things like the Epstein files, I think that's big. But I think there's something beyond just that. It's just staffers.

[A]

I'm thinking, like, I hear this, I hear this a lot and I understand, you know, Trump's supposed to be going after the deep state.

[C]

And these, well, he campaigned on it.

[A]

Yeah. And these, you know, and there always could be hundred position.

[C]

We only have so much time. We only have so much time.

[A]

Every single time this guy drafts legislation about anything and he makes an executive order about anything even small, to try to make some kind of change. It's his own side, the guys who want to dismantle the deep state, who go after him the hardest, who curtail and hamstring him from doing.

[C]

Because it was the deep state that tried assassinate him.

[A]

Ask something about a flag, what do you think he's going to do to the deep state?

[C]

Exactly. I don't think anything's going to happen.

[B]

Well, I would argue though, I mean, I would argue that there's, it's, I think the difference here is that it's short term versus long term. I think these are long term plays. And long term investments that are being made now, flag burning crime is both short term and long term. But you know, you're also, you're also pointing out some things that hey, we'd like to see some movement here, here, here and here.

[C]

And midterms are on the horizon.

[B]

Midterms are certainly don't know what's going.

[C]

To happen in 2028.

[B]

And the point being is if you don't have that much time, why wouldn't you want to make long term investments?

[C]

Yeah, I do want to make long term investments, but I, but I hope, I hope we're actually making kingdom in terms of this.

[B]

I think protecting the flag and setting the course of the nation for children is really important.

[C]

Okay. I want to protect the children. I don't think the flag does it.

[B]

I, I mean, I mean, yeah, I.

[A]

Mean I think all important, the two genders via executive order. I think that that was important. That's a long term investment that you're talking about, right? Saying that America is an English speaking country setting the precedent that, hey, the actual language we're going to speak here in English, that's a long term term precedent, right? This, these are, these are long term investments. But the other thing is it's like we cannot curtail this guy every single time he tries.

[B]

Well, and a great example of, of that is our next story, by the way. Contractually obligated to do these segues, by the way. I'm not trying to cipher conversation for the record because this is a great combo. But you know, the, every day I'll say this, you know, every day we get a story of something. Something. The Trump admin is doing this. The Trump. And this is a huge difference between I would say the second term and the first term is that this time around they don't let things go. It's not like they get, they get hit by the media and then they just, are we back off? They're deporting Kilmar Garcia or at least trying to, and they're fighting tooth and nail for this. And I think that does set a precedent. And you could argue now, some people might argue so, oh, that's super short term. Why do you, why you care so much about, you know, this one guy? And it's not about that guy. It is about the precedent and it's about the precedent that this guy should not be here. He should have been deported the first time and you know, they brought him back, which I, you know, I feel a certain way about. But now they're pushing him out again. And this is the latest on it. So they were going to be deporting him to Uganda, I think, which I think is so funny. They should just, they should just like deport him to a country at random. Just have like a list of countries. You're going to one of these.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So this is deterrence. Right. And yes, we can certainly put Dr. Fauci on that list as well. Which, by the way, don't get me wrong, when you mentioned Dr. Fauci, and I don't want to sound like I'm, I'm, I'm not, I'm not addressing it. They've, President Trump talks about this all the time that he wants to take a look at the validity of those pardons because I don't think there's any way that anyone can seriously say that an auto pen pardon.

[A]

Agreed.

[B]

Is, is, is valid. Dr. Fauci's pardon is absolutely not valid. Hunter Biden's pardon, et cetera, all the rest of them. And for the lies that Fauci did, he should absolutely have his pardon shredded.

[A]

Also make the argument that Joe Biden was not mentally fit.

[B]

No, that's my point. That's my point.

[A]

He just was not mentally fit to do any of those anyway. And I think that that's a really hard one for them to argue considering they replaced him because he wasn't mentally fit. So it's really hard for them to argue that, that point.

[B]

So let me just get this update, though, on the story while we're here because a federal this is, I think this happened just as we were coming up on the show because this changed basically as I was doing the intro here, a federal judge, and this is from the great Thomas Stevenson. Go follow him, by the way, over at Post Bueno because he does great work, work with him on a daily basis. On Monday, federal judge judge appointed by Obama ruled that the Trump administration is forbidden. Oh gosh. From deporting alleged MS.13 gang member Kilmar Abrego Garcia for now. This comes as he was detained. Your judge, Paul. Paula. Oh, of course, Paula. U.S. district Judge Paula Shinnis. Paula alone blocked his deportation and said in court the Trump admin legal team, your clients are absolutely forbidden at this juncture to remove Mr. Abreco Garcia from the continent United States. This is our understanding standing until she holds a hearing to see if he can contest the deportation order to the third country. The order comes. Oh, my gosh. So this is what we see. We see how the left utilizes power. They never let go. They fight back. Every chance they get, they say even if there's someone who's, Even if you're an MS.13 member who was involved in trafficking. Trafficking other illegal and I believe minors at one point this guy was, it was brought up that he was trafficking even for that person, they will still fight back.

[A]

Well, this is, it's a classic case. Like what do you do with power when you have it? Well, first you have to have it and we don't. And so we have to, we have to be moving more towards that. It is true that we have Trump as president, but we don't really have a right wing entrenched establishment for power. Power. These guys do. And this is exactly what they do with it. Yes. Then this is exactly what they'll do with it. And they will curtail at every single turn any idea that you can remove people from the nation who aren't supposed to be here. That's their future constituency. They don't want nothing. They, they don't want any type of curtailing.

[C]

He's going to run for mayor next Kilmar.

[A]

Yeah, well, and he might win one of those places.

[C]

They'll love this. Yes. Run Mar.

[D]

Composed Paula. Uganda maybe. That'd be very nice. Also I think like you could just ramp the pressure up by just keeping him in Baltimore and he'll just self deport after like a few weeks. I mean, like let's be honest here. And apparently can't understand or, or, or.

[B]

Be dealt with via other means.

[D]

Right.

[A]

Yeah. To make an example. Right. The whole point was to make an.

[B]

We are deporting you to Baltimore. Just deport him to Baltimore.

[D]

Please go to Uganda.

[B]

Please, please, please let me go to Uganda. Mad at the judge right now.

[C]

Now.

[B]

Whoa, whoa.

[A]

We'll send you, we'll send you to Africa if we're going to deport. If we can just deport you anywhere. The whole point is to make an example.

[B]

Yeah, just put him out on the street in East Baltimore. That's it. That's it. This is your deportation.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

I don't know, this could be kind of fun. You could take the migrant down Embassy row and be like pick, pick where you want to go. That's a little too nice. Come on. Your budget's a little too high. I don't know, maybe South Sudan. That might be more.

[B]

You got to pick. No, you got to. No, you have to be the one of the ones that isn't on Embassy Road.

[D]

That's like off Broadway.

[A]

I did the Supreme Court roof say that they can deport to these Other countries if they want to, that the United States government can deport to Uganda if they want to. Like they can just do that. Right. So watch them. It's this, this may very well get, there's no. Get overturned very quick.

[B]

Again, you know, going back to whether there's rights or not rights. I mean there's basically they saying that there's no, there's no obligation over the government to return them to their, their home country.

[A]

Why, why should there be?

[B]

And in many of the, and by the way, in many of these cases, you know, you've got people who are from even far more, you know, far flung places in the world than just Latin America.

[A]

Yeah. But hey, let me dip into your wallet to send them back on a, on a free luxury, you know, airplane ride right halfway across the world.

[C]

How many times has he come back and forth now? Yeah, like why are we even paying for any of this? He should have been gone immediately. It's ridiculous.

[E]

His lawyer was saying that he's going to fight this. What kind of defense is the there like poss is possible for? Like he's, he's been adjudicated to being illegal.

[A]

Right.

[D]

Like he admitted it like gang corn.

[E]

He was, he was picked up. Human trafficking. Right. Like what kind of, what kind of defense could they possibly produce?

[B]

I mean it's very obvious that this is just a wait out the clock scenario where it's, we're going to find. It's, it's kind of like when you have a death penalty case and they just, they just come up with any, any theory, anything they can find time.

[A]

Till the next administration, you know and.

[B]

They just hold it over until you're right until a democrat gets in or something like that so that he's able to stay. And that's, and it's very clear they're trying to do that. So Shane, to your point earlier about short term versus long term, this is what happens when they're pushing for these short term gains.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

They still have to deal with this.

[C]

But this is great. You know, I agree. This guy has no rights. This guy has no rights here. This guy has no rights here. He should never have been here and he should be launched out of here immediately. Like the things I'm talking about in the previous stories have nothing. They don't apply to this guy at all. He should be launched into space.

[B]

All right, so Shane's house send him.

[C]

To Mars if I believe the Mars.

[D]

But yeah, I also like how hard we're mogging the British here because they tried the Rwanda scheme and it failed miserably. And then we're just like casually, oh, Uganda, you want some illegals, you can have a few. South Sudan, why not? You open. All right, here's a few.

[C]

Uganda needs help.

[D]

Brutal mogging. I'm really sorry for the British, but, you know, we make it look easy getting.

[A]

It's not the first time we mogged them, let's be real.

[B]

But when it comes down to it, when it comes down to it, you know, and I could see people saying, you know, why does it matter so much about this guy? And I think it shows the fight. I think it shows the new level of fight that Trump Admin 2.0 is showing where, no, we're not going to give up on this one. And in fact, because you made such a big deal and the senators were flying down to El Salvador and meeting with him in, you know, seacot and all of, of this, that we're not gonna let go. And we are going to make a symbol of this and we are going to show this to everyone and set the precedent that if you are here and if you're here illegally and you're rolled up, you're going. And there's no. The libs do not have any power.

[A]

Well, look at what you remember. Alligator Alcatraz.

[C]

How could we forget?

[A]

So the idea, like I watched the tour, it's an air conditioned facility, right? And it set up this air conditioned facility where there's fences which, you know, don't divide various prisoners, probably some of them are more violent than others, et cetera, et cetera. What's the actual problem here? Why is the expectation this is going to be the Ritz? They probably had expectation that this was going to be the Ritz, that this was going to be a nice hotel room for people to, to kick their feet up and relax. But for some reason that seems to be the, the case, that these people.

[E]

Are like, hey, I know, because you look at like holding cells in Sweden and they're like, oh, they're nice.

[C]

Have you seen the original?

[A]

There's no ALCATRA on the 44th floor of this luxury hotel. Before we fly you back to your country, let's come break in whenever you want to. This is a precedent against that kind of stuff. This is the idea of like, oh, well, no, I didn't mean to cut it. I was just saying this is the reason Trump is fighting this tooth and nail in the administration. He's trying to say, look, we're done with that. And by the way, this is a state of the art holding cell, holding facility for illegals before they get go. It's fine to send them there as we're processing them out. Enough of the Ritz treatment. Enough of the. You get everything you want treatment. So I think you're right on that.

[C]

Debit cards in New York City, take away the hotels, give them to the immigrant, the illegals. Insane.

[D]

Like Mets tickets on the way out.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh.

[D]

I think this is, I think summer camps produce patriots because if you went to a summer camp, this looks fantastic. Alligator Alcatraz. Like, this looks wonderful. Like, I remember how like horrid the conditions were and you loved your time there. So.

[E]

So just on the, on August 21st, District Judge Kathleen M. Williams has said that it has, has to be shut down. So it's still open, but they have significant restrictions currently, which again, it's not some kind of terrible place. They.

[A]

They're going to fight that out too.

[E]

Well, I mean, and hopefully the Trump administration wins. But the point is, like, no matter what you do, the left is going to push back. And like you mentioned earlier, the institutional power is still strongly in the left's favor. Because of judges and stuff like that.

[A]

Well, judges, academics, the people who make studies which show the inhumane conditions of various people based on how they define it.

[E]

Super don't care.

[A]

All of that is entrenched.

[B]

I remember that. So I spent about a year at Guantanamo Bay serving there in the military and not on the other side of the bars. But, but we would, we would have those that it was the same deal. It was like air conditioned. The facilities were really nice. It was based on supermax. So they get, Detainees would get whatever they wanted. They would certainly get, you know, religious specific meals and keep halal and all this. And then we would have. So. And Red Cross was right there, International Red Cross. So they, and they had pretty much full access all the time to the prison facilities whenever they wanted it 24 7. They had an office right there. And we would still get congressional delegations and journalists who would come in and we would show them all this. And I would say what I just said about, hey, here's their medical group and here's their Red Cross representative and here's the lawyers that they get and all of this. And they would walk out and they said, torture, torture, torture in these torture conditions. Look at the torture, torture. They're just like, no, I just show, like, I just spent all day showing you the. No torture. And, and it was, you know, I never kind of, I kind of, I'll put It this way. I kind of never believed the media to be like. I understood the media was like liberal, I guess, but was serving there and like going through that experience with, you know, my own eyes to just realize how much lying they do, just straight blank lies, saying that for the purpose.

[A]

Of political experience, of the expediency.

[B]

But I mean, I always assumed it was like, it was bad. I had no idea how blatant it was.

[A]

You think they just worse than that.

[C]

You show up just to get photos. Like, why even go to prove that they were there. Yeah, just be like we were here.

[B]

They could prove they were there and then they turn around and say, oh, and. And then they know. Because I can't just post, you know, pictures of, of the conditions for lots of legal.

[A]

It's a secret facility and you're a soldier and that would be legal.

[B]

You know, know that. You know, we can't really refute anything they're saying.

[A]

Crazy. Okay.

[B]

And John McCain did that when I was there. Actually, I get to briefly.

[A]

Well, you're right. They, they do, they do blatantly lie. They lie often and they lie constantly.

[C]

Journalists.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

And this, this. Yeah. So this was, this was me serving the military and be like, wait a minute. It seems that the lies are far stronger than I realized. I thought they were merely in love with it. But since we're talking about, about symbols today, I think Serge has our next story up, which is also important because it's a big symbol and this is Cracker Barrel. Of course we're getting into Cracker Barrel. People are saying. And I've seen people saying, why do you guys care so much? But again, it's symbols. It is the power of symbols. You know, I, I know there's someone out there who, who has a famous adage, but I would flip it around. I would say feelings don't care about your. Your facts and that. I, I think people have people imbue. Right. Symbols with meaning because they are a representation of a greater either ideal, a greater truth, a greater nation, a greater religion. You know, across is, is just a plus symbol.

[A]

Right. It's also a way to convey a huge amount of information. Immediately.

[B]

Immediately. Yeah. And this, and this is what a meme is too. That meme is this same thing. So across is across. Just a plus symbol that's slightly, you know, off center.

[A]

No. Depending on how the cross is set, it conveys if you're this type of Christian. Exactly. That type of Christian symbolism conveys not just this idea of like intuition and feelings, but it conveys a significant amount of information between people, but they never have to say a word precisely.

[B]

And so, and, and so when people say, why do you care so much about Cracker Barrel? Oh, that's Boomer Slop. And, and it's like, you know, I get what you're saying, but I do think there's something bigger. So go. Wait, go back to the headlines. I don't want to hit that. So Cracker Barrel reversing course, admitting they failed with the rebrand vow to include Uncle Herschel on the menu. Store and roadside. Uncle Herschel wouldn't have wanted it any way. Well, he is a cracker, so I don't know.

[D]

Yeah, this is, this is really grim stuff. We staged, me and my friend Nathan Halberstad. He was on the culture war Friday. We actually went and staged a sit in at the local Cracker Barrel afterwards as a form of protest. And it was a very empty Cracker Barrel.

[B]

So I think the pig, by the way, for the record.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Yellow. I don't think he's one or the other.

[D]

I don't think Cracker Barrel is. I don't think it means. It's for everyone.

[A]

Right?

[D]

Yeah, Obviously for every color creed. It's a beautiful thing and they're trying to take that away. And it's very sad. And I agree. Like, people say it's Boomer Slop. I'm like, well, if you've been on a road trip, it does mean a little more. I mean, because like, there's not these great food institutions along a road trip. It's like places like Cracker Barrel remind you of your childhood.

[B]

Some places you get McDonald's or Cracker Barrel. Sure.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And.

[D]

Yeah, well, cracker, that's, you know, that's. That's fine dining when you're on the road and it's like. Yeah, it's. It reminds you of your childhood. It reminds you of family. You know, the rusty farm equipment everywhere, like horse castrator and whatnot. It's like, it's a really beautiful thing. And they want to turn it into farmhouse chic.

[A]

I mean, well, they turned all the McDonald's into prisons.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Brutalism. Yeah, they look awful.

[D]

Farmhouse chic is like, all of them look like prisons.

[A]

It's just gray and it's.

[B]

It's gross. I think the reason that Cracker Barrel. And we'll see what they end up actually doing with it. But I think the reason that it resonated so directly because, you know, it's interesting is, you know, people, you know, you People would say, like, oh, this is woke. Right. But it's not necessarily woke in the sense they're not changing it to, like, a rainbow color or adding things like that or changing it to, like a, like a woman or something thing. But we all know that it's wrong.

[C]

It's wokeish because it's ugly. It's a war on beauty. The backlash wasn't Cracker Barrels beauty.

[E]

The backlash wasn't just from people on the right. If I understand correctly, the Democrats came out against the left that were just like, this sucks.

[D]

You see it all the time when, like, they have these beautiful old homes and, like, especially millennials will come through and just gut it and paint everything white and turn out farm el chic. And it's like, it's not woke. It's just, like, sad, like you're losing something.

[A]

Well, and they make the McMansion track homes.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, I do think.

[B]

I do think that it's. If we're talking about symbols, what is it a symbol. It's a symbol of the America that came before, and it's a symbol of American heritage for how we got to where we are. And so, you know, that old America, quote unquote, versus New America or whatever you want to call it, Real America versus New America, is definitely the sentimental seminal moment of our, you know, of our time. It's our. This is our challenge. This is our fight right now. Which one is going to win out? Is it the Kilmar Garcia America who doesn't care Care, you know, to even speak the language and he'll go eat whatever he wants? Or is the people who. Who. Or is the people who come in there and say, oh, you know what? My grandpa had one of those, you know, or we were. We were going there with my wife, who was even from this country.

[A]

Let me ask you something.

[B]

She kept asking that as well.

[A]

Conspiracy hat time. Oh, conspiracy hat time. You have to turn it tinfoil or tinfoil hat time. Do you think that this story got launched into the public consciousness purely because the name Crackers Cracker was in Cracker Barrel?

[C]

It's not the first time it's tried. They tried this. Remember a few years ago, it was going around on Twitter about them trying to change the name of Cracker Barrel and they thought it was offensive. It might even start as a meme. But then people took it seriously. It was trending for a while, so they definitely tried it before.

[B]

I was hoping that this was just one of those outrage marketing things. When. When I first heard it, I was that's ridiculous. Why would they, you know, why would they give. Get rid of that? I do think, and we were talking about this beforehand though, I think a bunch of us. I forget exactly who it was. That possibly the real conspiracy here isn't necessarily that they want to change the logo, but they want to change the entire business model away because they're trying to move away from sit and dining. And a lot of places.

[A]

Cracker Barrels have that whole front area before you sit down and eat. That's like a little boutique, like a general store.

[C]

It's the pregame family friendly. It's like one of the last, like real family friendly places.

[B]

By the way, when we go there.

[A]

Expensive exposure. Nobody buys.

[B]

They don't buy anything as a family. When we go there with kids, it's like they spend all their time there because when you're waiting for the food to come, the kids are like, I need this, I need this, I need this, I need one of these. I need some of this stuff. And it's like eventually they kind of wear you down.

[A]

I eat at Cracker Barrels, especially when I'm on trips and I rarely see anybody in the boutique side actually buy anything they go through and they look.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, their wives are waiting for their table. They'll look a little bit on their way out, but I don't see them buy much. And the price tag is why. So I think, I think they probably are downsizing to something which is more bean counter friendly.

[E]

Brave AI says that it's 20% of the price.

[A]

The whole idea, the whole idea for a rebrand. If you're changing that whole front boutique area is going to be what? The symbol. You want to remove the symbol so that people don't associate it anymore with, oh, we have family fun time at the boutique. And then, you know, we play on the enormous chessboard out front and then get in the rocking chair right afterwards. And then. And then is when you're sitting there eating, they have Chinese checkers there for you to play. Right.

[B]

Peg. The peg game.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And the game they made it woke.

[D]

It's like a libtard version now where they don't.

[B]

What?

[D]

They don't mock you if you like, suck.

[A]

But that's not.

[D]

That's like, nice try. Do it again.

[B]

Nice try.

[A]

The most profitable model in a society that doesn't have kids.

[E]

So the Cracker Barrels gift shop business tractor.

[B]

Which goes back to what you're saying about McDonald's. Because McDonald's, when you were. When we were kids, I think we're all the kind of, of an age that the place, man, you, you actually, that's. This a great question. Do you remember McDonald's being awesome as a kid?

[D]

It's always just been like the mediocre restaurant.

[B]

So you don't, you don't have that.

[C]

What about the experience? Like when you went there, was it exciting? No.

[D]

Cuz.

[C]

Was there a playground?

[D]

There was like one that had a play place.

[C]

I remember.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So was it one of the big ones that had the massive jungle gyms with the slides and the ball pit and there was tons of kids there.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. So when we were all kids.

[A]

Oh yeah. No, there was ball pits when we.

[B]

Were all, all kids. McDonald. It was, I want to say almost every McDonald's unless you were like in the middle of the city, had this huge play area for kids and the inside was designed for kids as well. So there'd be like seats constructed out of the characters and like the hamburglar would be like your bench that you were like.

[C]

It was fast food. Disney World.

[B]

It was like Disney World. Yeah.

[E]

Back when they had ashtrays.

[A]

That's.

[B]

It was literally like good old days.

[D]

Ashtrays.

[B]

With ashtrays and. Oh yeah. And it was, and it was great because, you know, if you're there and if you're, you know, with mom or dad, you know, then they could, they knew they could take the kids there and then, hey, cut them loose. You know, you go do your thing, order the food. Food's coming in. Hey, food's here. You gotta yell at them to get off the playground. The world used to be made, or at least the country used to be made for families. And I will say, and people. I saw someone in the chat say, posobuk's gonna bring up Europe. I am, you know what? I am. Because going around, you know, I spent a bunch of time in Poland this year for the election and successful.

[A]

Wait, Poland? Polish people are smart enough to have elections?

[B]

I know somehow some. Well, basically it's.

[C]

How many Polish people does it take?

[B]

Does it, does it take? But they just find the one. They just find the one. And then, and then he picks and everyone's like, all right, we got it. And so, and so, so they still have this. Hungary is the same way. It's still very pro family. So you see stuff for kids everywhere. And I don't just mean like in McDonald's, I mean like you walk, you could walk into like a, a five star restaurant and the very first thing you'll see off to the side is A kids area. And they'll say, okay, well here's an area for the kids. There's some games, there's some toys. Sometimes they even have someone like assigned to sort of watch that area area. So you can go and sit at your table, right where it's probably not great for kids, even though you have to teach restaurant manners. But we all know how that goes. And, and they just have these kids areas that are totally incorporated in the world. And you even see it in, you know, just, you go to offices or a place where you have to have a waiting room. There's a kid. There's kids area, just little kids area.

[A]

You know, if you want to be mean to people who can't have children here, it's going to make them feel bad, which is why we need to take, take half of the public parts. They should feel bad.

[C]

All the playgrounds make everything sad, right?

[A]

And yeah, you want to make sure that, that you don't do anything which is too family oriented. And by the way, what if we made that a symbol, The American family. What if we made that a symbol and put it everywhere? Mom and dad with kids and you know, they're all of them together. Maybe that's the sign instead of my two dads, you know, what if we made that a symbol?

[C]

Have you noticed that American cities have just become completely anti family? Everywhere I go now, families.

[B]

It's crazy.

[E]

Well, part of the reason is because there are so few Gen Z and few millennials. Like millennials and Gen Z are vanishingly small.

[A]

Yeah, we eliminated 20.

[B]

We aborted them all.

[A]

Here's the other thing to look at. This propaganda started, I would say probably in the early 90s. It wasn't this bad in the 80s, but in the early 90s especially. And then right about the time we hit 2000, 2003, it got really bad. There's no symbols anymore of an American family anywhere. And we need that propaganda. We really need that propaganda.

[B]

It's so funny you mentioned this because this is something that I look for all the time, especially when I'm overseas, that you see it in Hungary, you see it in Poland, where they just have. And when you say propaganda, it's just like in an advertisement of, for Coca Cola or even McDonald's in those countries they will include that. And you can look this up. Foreign images of the same company and then they won't do it in America.

[E]

This is an argument that I make all the time. Like the left loves to say we need to center the margins. And that's A ridiculous concept. It's a ridiculous idea. We need to center families, normal families with men and women and kids, because that's what you want to encourage.

[A]

But do you know why they can't? So feminists did this. Feminists destroyed it. The idea is the, the entirety of the government is moving towards women going to college. Women need to go to college, they need to be educated, they need to have a fallback system for when the man inevitably screws them over. Right. The truth is, is that those years, those college years, that's childbearing years, those are your best childbearing years and you're wasting them at college. And you got another four or five years, years after college to get your career established. You get married at 30 and you have one kid. It's the most anti family system that you could ever have envisioned.

[E]

It's anti human because families make more humans. So if it's an anti family policy.

[B]

It'S anti human, unhuman.

[A]

Now you got over here somewhere. Now you have what? How many women do you have coming out of colleges right now who have these useless degrees? It's always psychology, sociology, early childhood development, daycare, Useless.

[B]

And as much I hate to say it, but as we know that's. Is that really all they're doing on those campuses is studying for these degrees?

[A]

Well, they're studying a lot of penises.

[C]

No, it's Marxist boot camp.

[A]

That's the truth. The truth is that these become issues of sexual deviancy, drugs, all of that. They're inundated in it almost immediately. Immediately. Big party culture at colleges, Nobody's going to dispute that. I mean, huge party cultures. And the entire idea is, okay, now she's gone through 10 different dudes, you know what I mean? Now she's ready to settle down and now she's out of her girl boss phase. Oh, I got the degree, right. I got run through in college. Now I'm moving towards, I want a family. And what guy wants them? What guy wants these entitled boss babes? And so anyway, that's a whole different thing. But the idea here is, is it is indeed an anti family policy. Try to move women towards college as a fail safe because men are evil and are going to screw them over.

[C]

Totally. I mean, we're moving towards a future where kids are going to have grandmas who had only fans. That's like maybe happen right now.

[A]

Right?

[C]

Maybe happening right now.

[B]

Great grandmas who have only shoes. My grandma had more subs than yours.

[C]

Oh my goodness.

[A]

That's hell.

[C]

That is. Yeah, we're in hell.

[B]

I mean, it's like, yeah, you find a picture of your grandmother when, you know, when she was younger, and it's like, oh, here she is with her family. Maybe a picture of her with friends. You know, now it's.

[A]

Wasn't Barack Obama's mom basically an onlyfans girl?

[B]

True that.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Wasn't she one of the first.

[B]

You're right.

[C]

Yep. You know, and married to a man.

[E]

To your point about, you know, having women get into. Into the. The workforce, essentially, I really think that that's the. One of the reasons for that is because generally it makes people unhappy. And unhappy people tend to be more likely to be revolutionaries. Happy people don't. Don't. Don't probably protest. They don't go and become activists. Unhappy people do. And if you have a generation of unhappy people, you're more likely to have a generation of activists and protesters. Well, there's something that will destabilize the nation.

[A]

There's something to that. But I would just reinforce the point by saying this that women are the easier. They're much easier to propagandize. Much, much easier to propagandizing. Men are. There's a reason that they defer women into education, and they want women in control of lower education, especially. And that's where indoctrination begins. And that's why when you go to a public school, it's a nightmare. And little Johnny's sitting there with his hands folded quietly, and all he wants to do is go outside and play and not do anything else in this feminized school. Right, but we don't allow that.

[B]

Well, I mean, this is. So. I wrote the book on humans last year. And what we're talking about here is the entire plot of the book. It's the thesis and the. But the thesis is that at some level, it's deliberate. The.

[A]

No, it's totally deliberate.

[B]

Yeah. The deconstruction is the point. The destabilization is the point. That's why you have Karen Bass, for example. You know, take this into a city level where she was actually trained by Marxist revolutionaries out of Cuba at a young age and was in these brigades and was taking trips down to Cuba for training. And then comes up and people say, why is she pursuing these policies that destroy Los Angeles? That's the point. The destruction is the point. They don't actually care about the equality or the social justice or the equity or the. Oh, you're. You're free to find your decision. No, they don't care about any of that stuff, it's actually about destroying, destroying beauty.

[A]

Yeah. And this is nothing new. Look at Hanoi Jane Fonda. Remember when she was going and hanging out with communists and she wanted to become a cultural sex symbol and this type of thing. What was she pushing? She was pushing, pushing socialist ideology as well.

[B]

And here's, here's, here's. So I'll segue into. And I think this might be our final topic before we move to super chats. But this talking about, you know, messaging, talking about, you know, the pushing of things in society, of all places. Snoop Dogg, folks. Snoop Dogg is the one speaking out. Snoop Dogg is criticizing LGBTQ characters in children's movies. Laments kids going to ask questions. Said he didn't have answers when his grandson questioned a same sex couple having a baby in a children's movie. And I think they may have. Here, here's. Yeah, here's the line. He says, I'm going to read this. Why my grandson in the middle of the movie, like, Papa Snoop, how's she have a baby with a woman? She. A woman?

[C]

Os, can you read that as Snoop?

[B]

I didn't come in for this as I just came to watch the G movie. Hey, man, watch the movie. They just said she and she had a baby. They both women. How she have a baby? The movie ain't over with. And it's like. And that's Snoop Dogg, right? You know, he just comes out and I think, I think things have gotten to a certain kind of point when you've got Snoop Dogg pushing back against the destabilization of. Of, of culture. Specifically, specifically movies intended for children.

[A]

Well, can we just finally all admit that blacks have always been pretty based on the, the gay issue?

[B]

Like, they've not, they're not down.

[A]

They've always been pretty based on it. The Download Brothers, you got to look at the. But look at what happened in California. I mean, they stopped. It was, it was. The black vote was a deciding vote against gay marriage.

[B]

What was the prop. It was where they voted against it.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I mean, they were the deciding vote. Look, they've been. They, you know, blacks. Not a bit. Not big fans. Not big fans.

[C]

Look where Snoop is not allies. Look where Snoop is today. And look where Lil Nas X is today. One's. One's railing against this crazy stuff and Lil Nas X is in jail on Fentanyl.

[B]

Just. Yeah.

[E]

Naked walking.

[B]

There you go.

[A]

Who would have ever thought that guy who put blood in his shoes was gonna have a bad ending?

[C]

The guy who danced on, on the On Satan.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Interesting.

[E]

It was Prop 8 in California.

[B]

I thought it was proper.

[E]

It was a ballot initiative that amended the state constitution and then was overruled by the Supreme Court.

[B]

Of course, Snoop actually. And people. People forget this, but I. Snoop actually performed at Trump's inauguration at one of the parties. So he performed at the Crypto Ball. I was there. So I think that counts as me have seen Snoop live.

[E]

I'm not trying to, like, but, like.

[B]

I'm just saying he was there. He was. Let us have.

[C]

Let us have it.

[E]

I'm not trying to. No, but it is. Now is the. It's like a safe time to do this too. Right. Like, culturally.

[C]

Five years ago, Kanye was doing this years ago.

[E]

Yeah. If he was coming out saying this kind of stuff five, six, seven, eight years ago, he would have been, pardon the pun, but dogpiled like.

[B]

But.

[E]

But you know it. But it's nice to see.

[B]

But even if he is being opportunistic, isn't that still a good sign that he's saying.

[A]

In rap, even at the time, 10 years ago, they were still pretty against LGBTQ.

[B]

Yeah, but isn't that. Isn't that the big conspiracy theory in rap, though, that, like, Tupac was.

[A]

Oh, yeah, the undercover thing is definitely that. That's not a joke, but it's not a joke in the Republican Party either. And it's not a joke, you know, like it.

[C]

Tupac and Lindsay Graham would have been friends.

[A]

Yes. That. That. That is the case that there's a lot of these undercovers who are around, you know, and I just. I'm not sure they. That they're any more plagued with it than any other specific community is, especially in the music industry, which is one of the most degenerate places on planet Earth. And here in the entertainment industry, also hyper degenerate, as you know.

[B]

And. Well, this was one of the big things where the Diddy trial people kept, you know, kind of wondering where, you know, is there going to be more. Is this guy the black Epstein? Are they going to have more, you know, more of this coming out? And it's like nothing more really come out.

[A]

Came out of that bit of a flop.

[B]

It's just all sort of like. It just all sort of went away. And I was like. And it reminded me, you know, to your point about Epstein earlier, it was. It reminded me of the Ghislaine Maxwell trial where everybody was telling me, oh, there's going to be so much that comes. There's so much that comes, and it hasn't. We should Actually you know, this happened since, you know, Serge, we didn't have this on the, on the list. But you know Shane, since we, I don't think Tim has had a show since this is happened. Glenn Maxwell transcripts have come out.

[C]

Yeah, I, I trust her as much as I trust the 911 passports.

[A]

And it's most certainly doesn't look like she's talking about pardon at all.

[C]

But I'm happy to hear all this. This is great. I just, I want to see people speaking like I told you when I did your show.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I want to see people chatting about it before on, you know, on, for all of us to see because I don't trust.

[A]

I see people in prison.

[B]

Well that's exactly right. I would say I'll say this and I'll, I'll put my like my Gitmo hat back on. You know, know, good, good first meeting. Right. You know, and if that's, I certainly hope that that is a series of meetings because there's so many different things that she mentions in this transcript. Like, like at one point she goes, you know, they, they say because Tub land, she doesn't ask a lot of open ended questions. But one of the open ended questions, which, which is something by the way, I like the open ended questions better.

[A]

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[B]

They might say something that reveals themselves versus if you give them a yes no, it's, it's a lot easier. So he, he says at one point did you perform any money laundering? And she goes like well I think he did for some cartels. And it's like wait, wait, wait, wait wait wait, pause. Can we get some follow ups on that? Which, which cartels? You know, what were we talking about, about here? You know, they ask about Mossad. Did you work, did you work with Mossad? And, and he goes, she goes, you know, not knowingly. Not knowingly.

[A]

You don't think that this was all pre coached, you know.

[B]

Well, I'm sure there's a lot of that, I'm sure there's a lot of Pre coaching. But again, that's what I'm saying is that, that's why you ask the open ended questions. Because even in those cases you do get the opportunity for the person to, you know, to slip up and, and at which point, okay, the, you know, the lawyer might step in or whatever it is. But at the same time, time, you know, you've got to do more and you've got to continue.

[A]

I feel like this is just damage control at this point on my side of the aisle for Trump. I do think he could have gone down on Fifth Avenue and shot someone and still had support. But you don't protect Epstein and get support. And so, and I think that that narrative which was crafted is sticking to him and is sticking to him pretty hard. And people want answers in the Epstein files and they want to.

[C]

Didn't Barr testify as well recently behind closed doors Bar testified as well.

[B]

And some of it leaked where he said that Trump himself was not implicated. But I think that's what leaked that's come out.

[C]

So I don't think Trump's guilty or a part of it really. I think he's probably just, he keeps saying he wants to protect people who are listed with this stuff. The files don't even mean much to me, honestly. It's like the files have been through so many hands and different administrations. I want to see people go to prison. I want to see them testify before the public.

[A]

And well, like we know what happened with Prince Andrew. Why isn't he in jail?

[B]

You know, like we know, right. So when people say, oh, there weren't, there weren't clients, like, well, what was Andrew?

[A]

Yeah, what was less?

[B]

How did you define that?

[C]

What was less?

[A]

Wex, the girl that he did that to, who went public, explained the whole racket and said that, you know, like that these women were being groomed for.

[B]

Wait, wait, wait. So that woman, this, this was something that just broke that apparently she had written a book, Virginia Jeffrey, which is even though she's died at this point under questionable circumstances.

[A]

No, she tripped and fell.

[B]

Of course, that I believe the book is still coming out and people about my wife's coming out soon.

[D]

Well, like Prince Andrew, it's like he just won't visit the US and he's like, I'm just not interested ever, ever again.

[C]

I really want to see people ask, be asked certain questions. Like the guard in Epstein's prison who let Epstein make that final phone call. Epstein said he was calling his mom who'd been dead for years, ended up calling Karina Schuliak his girlfriend at the time, like, what went down with that? Why was that allowed to happen?

[A]

The crippling part was Dan Bongino. The crippling part was when Dan Bongino was drafted into the administration. I watched Bongino. I watched his coverage of Epstein for six months. Okay. And when he would get into the administration and then he came out within weeks and was like, there's nothing to see here. I was like, what? Wait, what? That was not. It was not a good selling point. Once they, when they released the files and gave them to all the influencers and all of this, it was an optical nightmare.

[C]

The video.

[A]

Where's B. Where's Bongino? You know, Bongino has been remarkably quiet about all of this, and I think he knows that something's up and he's just not really spilling the beans yet.

[C]

Epstein's alive. I, I guarantee you he's alive. They switched him out. I'm dead serious.

[A]

I. Actually, there's. Look, I'm not the tinfoil hat guy, but, you know, his brother had his own investigation done with very crushed credible, you know, forensic analysis, and he doesn't think that, that, that that was Epstein.

[C]

Michael Biden, I think, believe the official story at all.

[A]

I mean, they had their own evidence.

[B]

But his body's cremated right now.

[C]

It is, yeah.

[B]

Epstein's body. Yeah.

[C]

Allegedly.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Something.

[B]

That's what I'm saying. Like, it's not, it's not like he could dig it up.

[A]

And now, whether now, whether now, I'm not going to go as far as to say he's still alive. Right. But I'm just saying it's very credible. It is very credible that the official story shouldn't really be trusted at all.

[B]

Yeah, no, I mean, it's, it's, it's one of those situations where when you've got people, it's, you know, like we were saying, it's like the locked door, you know, mystery where we've got so many people wanting to know what's going on and when you've got a level of criminality that's being discussed here that's just so heinous and so disgusting and at the elite level and, and involving people, you know, ehud, Barack and Prince Andrew and heads of state and, you know, Bill Clinton how many times to the island and, and people are just not going to let go. They're just absolutely.

[A]

Across his administration or some of the.

[B]

And when you sit down and say, and this is why there was such a backlash when this memo got dropped. I think it was the 4th of July or the 4th of July weekend. That, oh, that's the, the of.

[A]

End.

[B]

End that people just, just freaked out. They said, what do you mean that's the end? That is not the end. And, and we refuse, we refuse to.

[A]

Well, if Trump doesn't do, if he doesn't move on, I mean, people aren't letting this one go. And if he doesn't, if there's not something, if they're not, if they don't start pushing something out, there's going to be a massive problem with his base. Because I've never seen so many Trump supporters pissed off about an issue as I have about this. It's not ever, never, clearly.

[E]

But the polls don't, don't say that CNN said otherwise.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[E]

So. Well, I mean, look, well, you're asserting that there's a lot of people that actually care about that. There are a lot of people. There are a narrow group of people that are very vocal about it.

[B]

Here's what I would.

[E]

It doesn't mean that it's going to change anyone's vote.

[B]

Here's what I would.

[A]

But it's those vocal people, those vocal, the influencers and things like that. They're the ones who are always Trump's message.

[B]

Here's what I would argue. Who has to argue that the, because you're talking about the political aspect of it. The, the political aspect of it, and we do have to go to super chats. I'm looking at the clock. The political vulnerability that it creates is a path for an independent or even a Democrat to come in and use this issue to totally take the momentum back from all of the legitimate wins that have been put on the board. And they are, we put a ton on, on, we put a ton on just up tonight. But it is a way for someone to sweep in and say, oh, but you didn't do this. Do you think that it does?

[E]

You think that moves people? Because the, the argument that I've seen always retorted is like, where was all this energy for four years when Biden was in office?

[B]

I don't think, I don't, I don't.

[A]

Think Democrats don't care.

[B]

I don't think is going to. I think that if you could find a Democrat that credibly rallied around this, it would be very, very political. Political potent. Politically potent. I don't know if it's enough to, like, save the Democrat Party or the Democrat brand, but it's way better than anything.

[E]

Yeah, I don't, I don't think that it could save the Democrats.

[A]

It's enough to attack the MAGA brand, though. And the thing is, is that a.

[E]

Lot of they're going to use anything they can.

[A]

I agree. Look, I'm not, I'm. I don't disagree, but some things that you attack people with, like, you're saying, much more potent than others.

[E]

So it's your opinion that this sticks then, or could stick?

[A]

It is. It is sticking. I've never seen so many influencers this pissed off. I've never seen so many people in the MAGA base pissed off. Guys I talked to or supporters from day one, even when the J6 stuff was going on, they weren't backing off an inch. They are furious about this.

[E]

Are they furious about the fact that things haven't been released? Are they furious about the way that.

[A]

They're furious about the fact that because they think Trump's sitting on evidence of this and they don't know why I won't release it. That's what they believe.

[E]

Eyes that seems.

[B]

I. I'm. I'm getting. I'm getting. I'm getting clocked.

[C]

I'm gonna say goodbye really quick. Run him on my show. This is a pleasure, guys. We're gonna be live at 10 o'.

[A]

Clock.

[B]

Shout out the name of the show again.

[C]

Tales from the Inverted World. Inverted World live on Rumble on YouTube. 10 o', clock, we go live. Call in show. Give us a call. We're gonna talk about a lot of crazy stuff. We're gonna hear from Sergeant Payton. See y' all later.

[B]

Love you, Shane.

[C]

Love you, man.

[B]

All right, we got a rock. Let's hit some of the. These super chats. We have the first one, it's a strange name. It says Ligma Jonesan and it says any episode with. With Poso is a good episode. Hashtag Pizza Hut nationalism. Yeah, Pizza Hut nationalism is basically what I was talking about about, you know, McDonald's Pizza Hut used to be awesome, man.

[D]

I heard there was a pixel.

[A]

Wasn't it making it great?

[D]

I remember, like, faint memories of a salad bar.

[B]

Yeah, there was a big. There was a big. Making it great.

[A]

Making it great. Don't.

[B]

Don't even like you remember.

[A]

Hang on. You know what? I got the best Pizza Hut one.

[B]

I don't like. I don't like it because it reminds me of that commercial and it reminds me of how good it was and how truly amazing that place was.

[A]

Wasn't it a Pizza Hut commercial at the very beginning of the original Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles?

[B]

Yeah. And Lamb before time.

[A]

Yeah. Where it's like the. The kid in the ball game or whatever.

[B]

Yeah, there. There was the. There was that. There was the baseball game one and then the other one was the birthday party with the. With the cheese and the straws.

[A]

Yeah, marketing.

[B]

And it was. I mean just like it was basically the plot of the movie Sandlot but it. As a commercial. But it ends with a Pizza Hut visit with all the friends. I mean, come on.

[A]

At the beginning of a kids movie.

[B]

Come on. Just forget about.

[D]

They've taken everything.

[B]

Forget about it. They really have.

[D]

They really.

[B]

They really have. Bit by bit.

[A]

And they cost in that movie too.

[B]

All right, let's go in. Millennial Mama. I love history. I've always wanted to go to D.C. do you think it's safe enough now for a mom and dad daughter? Where is the best place to say it is safe enough now? Best place to stay? Of course. You know. You know, check your budget. Obviously there's some really good options right across the river, right across the Potomac in Northern Virginia. So it's really easy to get back and forth if you're driving, if you're taking Uber, if you want a Metro, come now. Right. Come before the. Come while this is all going on because this is absolutely the best time to visit dc. The boonie. Okay. Keel is saying the boonies able to send Rep. Birchett a long board for his birthday. The 28th Amendment Board is my personal favorite. I guess we'll. I guess we'll.

[A]

It's not the B. Gay board.

[B]

I'll. I'll pass that to the ce. Hopefully not that one.

[E]

Yeah, I don't think we have any longboards though.

[B]

Oh wow. Is this. Did this just happen? Did Trump. Trump fired the Federal Reserve governor. Okay. I haven't been on the. Oh wow. Pre. Appreciate the heads up guys. That was great.

[A]

Good work.

[B]

I'm just. Just here like hosting the show here. That's awesome. Good, good. Absolutely. Keep doing it. Use power. Always use power. Couldn't disagree. Couldn't agree more with that. Andrew, you look like you have lost weight. Great job. Not one step back.

[A]

Back man.

[B]

Love that. Andrew shower is writing promo code 10A. I don't know who that is. I'm sorry. I just can't say that.

[A]

Wyatt Heldenberg is it Tenet?

[B]

Could be. Could be. Rep. Kurt Walden's daughter was threatened by the FBI. They ordered him to stop investigating the FBI and Saudi San Diego connection with 9 11. Also they did the same to the co chair of the 911 committee. Wyatt, not only do I already know about. About that. I can confirm that because I was there in 2006 as an intern for Kurt Weldon's campaign when they raided us over these claims about his daughter being connected to Russia. She. It was never substantiated. It was never actually charged. But instead, they did so several weeks before the election in order to swing the election to the Democrat, Joe Sestak, in a. You know, in a very tight race. He went on to be completely disgraced. But Kurt Weldon was somebody who absolutely called out the truth about the. What the US knew about 911 and the hijackers prior to the. The thing actually happening. And, yeah, I was right there in working on the campaign. And it was 2006, and I remember the raid. I was not there when the raid happened. I just, like, physically wasn't there that day, but I remember coming in like. Like that afternoon, and it was like.

[D]

So how does it work?

[B]

It's like, super. It's, like, super early.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

They go through everything. Oh, yeah.

[D]

Oh, geez.

[B]

Where. It was nuts. And they hit. And it wasn't just the offices that were hit. It was the family. It was his, like, personal home. It was. It was all. And that was when Mueller was the FBI director, and. And they had. He's been asking too many questions. And so he just did an episode on Tucker, and everyone should go check that out. And it's like. It's like, why am. Why is Posobic the way that he is? It's like, you know, because of you. Because of you. All right, we got any more. Do we have any rumble rants?

[C]

Yeah, some were there.

[A]

I was looking for them.

[B]

Some rumble rants. We have a lot, actually, tonight.

[C]

Just want to pop out. Hold on.

[A]

Let's sh.

[C]

One of these.

[B]

We got. We got. Yeah, no, that's kind of the same one. Yeah.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Let's try and do this one. I want to see. Wait, wait, wait. Go back to that right there. I want to see proof of life and not just support a coup on Tim. Cast. Tim. Tim. We need proof of Phil. There was one comment I happened to see earlier where people were accusing you of possibly having Tim tied up in the basement. Can you. Can you.

[E]

I wouldn't brain my house.

[B]

The amazing, amazing closet. Tim Pool in the closet. Yeah. No, no, no, no. He's going, whoa, whoa. No, no, no. Cut that right. We're not. I'll say that. Don't say that. Oh, man. Now it's all over.

[D]

It's over.

[B]

Note it. All burnings occur when a foreign flag or terrorist flag is being shown. So a lot, a lot of people talking about the, about the flag burning. Burning. A lot of questions about that.

[A]

Yeah, it really makes people mad.

[D]

Yeah, I know. It's like they gaslight you like. No, I am offended when people burn the flag. It's okay to be offended every once in a while. Like, I am kind of offended because that's offended.

[A]

Just more pissed off, I feel like.

[B]

Like you have to, you have to learn to get offended and that you have to learn to. To not turn those feelings off the way they're telling you to. To say, oh, well, you shouldn't have that. It's okay. Right? It's like that's the feminine response.

[A]

Right.

[B]

That's what we were talking about earlier about like the, you know, the empathetic, the fairness. And it's like, no, that. That's my flag.

[D]

Yeah, it's like faux stoicism. I'm like, no, I am. Yeah, a little. I'm triggered. Yeah, it's true, actually.

[B]

And actually, there are times when it's warranted and that this does. And we can use reason to reason that a response is warranted. This should be against the law. Does it make our country better? Does it make our country greater? Is a good example for children.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Yeah. Well, to. To arrest them. Yes, yes.

[A]

To arrest them. Yes.

[B]

Someone right here. Yeah. With a super chat. The flag isn't allowed to touch the ground. Burning. It is not free speech at all. It's anti country.

[A]

Well, that's part of the flag code, I think, though.

[B]

It is part of the flag.

[A]

I think it's law, but I think it's part of the flag code. It can't touch the ground.

[B]

It's part of flag code. And the point is, like, why do we have all of this flag code if it's not backed up by anything? Who cares? You know? And I'll say, when I was in military, if you, you know, if you're on flag duty, oh my gosh, you know, you had to. To be.

[A]

Aren't the balls at the top of the flag pole there? They have like a razor blade and a map and a pistol or something in them.

[B]

You know, there's. There's certain things that I, I just can't reveal while I'm on the show here, like this. But no, there, there, there's all sorts of things like that with flags. Especially on, on the old ships, they would have stuff like that, though.

[A]

And it was like, you take the razor blade, the map leads you to some spot with the pistol. So you take the razor blade and then you cut up the map and then you use the pistol on yourself rather than, rather than let the flag fall in enemy hands or something. It's pretty based. Yeah.

[B]

Pretty based, yeah. Someone here says he is a who. Well he's a twice deployed infantry combat vet who, you know, doesn't, you know, hates the US flag. Says the US flag is as degenerate as the, as gross as the rainbow flag to me. So that's one to put in. So yeah, there's, there's definitely a lot. And that's kind of what I mean.

[A]

He could also just be lying.

[B]

You could also be lying.

[A]

You know, he could just be like, well I have a two time combat vet, Special Forces. I went horses, Navy seal, I went over to WW Damn four and you know, like he could just be full of shit by and large. Now maybe he's not, but by and large. P. What this just what I've noted that, that most veterans seem to have some veneration towards the flag.

[B]

Well, I mean this is, this is the flag that gets draped on your coffin when you pass away as a veteran and then that flag gets folded up and handed to your spouse. Right. You know, and so it's, it's, you know, on behalf of a grateful nation. And so if it doesn't matter, it doesn't not. And I think that, I think that if a nation exists and we know that nations exist and that their symbols should be protected and given and yes, it is a, it is an extra measure of protection because you know, to the point of, well, if I would go buy a flag, can I just burn something that I own? It's like one certain institution is. No, actually you can't.

[D]

Yeah, it's part of that like propositional nation crap. That's all.

[A]

Get arrested for domestic violence, for breaking your own plate. Yeah, like, you know, I don't want to hear this shit. You could, you literally, you could be arrested in for and get taken away for domestic violence, for breaking your own PlayStation because you get upset. Like it's not a joke. And so it's like, I don't want to hear any of it. It's such, Yeah, I mean I, I.

[B]

I, I keep hearing, you know, I do hear some people saying that. Okay, so looking in the chat, some people talking about Trump needs to, needs to go against legal immigration, he needs to fight harder against it. Read 55 million pieces. You know, I, I didn't like that there was million. Something about the Chinese students, I don't. 600,000 Chinese that I didn't love that unacceptable. Which by the way, if you want to hurt, that's how we'll beat it.

[A]

We'll tear up their universities.

[B]

You cut off on this, you cut down on that because foreign students have to pay full freight. They don't get, you know, the in state tuition and all this. They have to pay full freight. And so this is why they, you know, they, it comes from the, from overseas. It typically comes from Chinese elite, CCP elite. And then you're getting them paying to the universities, which is a massive cash cow for them, these four. And students, they love it. And then of course that when they come to our country, what do they do? They, you know, they, they're stealing research, they're stealing so much. And, and then they go back to their country by and large now. So why are we subsidizing or allowing these educational institutions to have the elite, you know, the, the next generation of the CCP's elite come to our schools?

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Just doesn't make any sense at all.

[D]

Yeah, there is this interesting thing people would bring up when they're talking about like Harvard and they'd be like they're excluding Asian students. And then as a step, it's even worse as the Asians that the majority of them aren't Asian Americans, they're Chinese students that have come there. So it's like, yeah, even at the highest level, it's like, it's way worse than you think.

[B]

Well, and just back to your point of it. Every time you're allowing a student at one of these institutions other than an American, you're taking a spot from an American kid.

[D]

Broadly speaking, with immigration too, it's like that's a house and a job and a public school and everything. It's like someone's getting pushed out some.

[B]

We actually live, we actually live in a finite world. We actually live in a world that has finite resources. We don't live in. I'm sorry that the 1960s lied to.

[A]

You, but what about my GDP?

[B]

Yeah, my GDP go up. GDP go up number go up number more.

[A]

All morality is cog wheel, GDP go up. It's cog wheel, cog wheel GDP go up.

[B]

That good blank, blank slate. Tabula rasa. All people are same. All people are same. Everyone, everyone get this. I think we're pretty much winding down at this point. Let's, let's. Andrew.

[A]

One more, one more, just one more.

[B]

Sorry, sorry, sorry.

[A]

Right there.

[B]

As A Tim Cast tradition. Tradition. Yeah. I'm donating from the. No way. Oh my gosh.

[E]

Happens all the time.

[B]

As is Tim Cast tradition. I'm donating from the delivery room, holding my first son. Greatest feeling in the world. Have more babies.

[E]

I, I, we are very pro baby here at Tim Cast.

[B]

That's amazing. I mean I really hope someone wasn't listening to this while she was giving birth. So does that mean that these conversations are the first thing that someone just talking about?

[D]

Cracker Barrel.

[A]

It's gotta, it's gotta be better than hearing.

[B]

Ah.

[E]

All right, you got one. Make more. We had to make more babies. Families are how we save America. Make more babies.

[C]

Yeah, true.

[B]

That's wild. We, we had like, we had like, we had like one of those planned earth documentaries on. I think.

[E]

It happens most nights, like honestly most nights. Most nights of the week we'll get someone that says, hey, I'm here. Just carrying on the tradition. Tim sent one in when his daughter.

[A]

I don't have that tradition, but I get a lot of people say just had my first baby last night. Things like that. I'm always, always happy to hear that.

[B]

I mean it's, it's, it's, it's how it's a numbers game. It's a numbers game at the end of the day. Okay, now we're going around. Andrew.

[A]

My name is Andrew Wilson, host of the Crucible. You can find that on YouTube. Andrew on Rumble. Also you can find me on Twitter at Paleo Christcon. I guess it's Twitter X now. And you can also find me every day, Monday through Thursday at the 5 o' clock time slot. The rumble top 10 for the extravaganza. I hope to see all you there.

[D]

You can find me on X and Instagram at Real tape Brown. I think Tim's gonna be back soon, so I don't know how many more morning show fill ins we'll have, but maybe we'll see me there.

[A]

One more thing to shout out that I forgot about. Sorry. It's super important though. In November we have debatecon coming up and there's still tickets available. It's going to be a massive event. I went all out, rented out a massive bar. It's going to be awesome. So go get your tickets. You can find them on modern day Debate. Do it, buy it, get over there. It's going to be the time of your life.

[B]

Awesome.

[E]

I am Phil that remains on Twix. The band is all that remains. You can check us out on YouTube, Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora Spotify and Deezer. Don't forget the left lane is for crime.

[B]

All right, that was good. That was good. All right, Jack Posic, the host of Human Events Daily. Go check us out. Apple, Spotify, wherever you get your podcast, we're up on Rumble. The members chat will begin in just a few minutes.

[A]

Nice.

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