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Trump PARDONS Silk Road Founder Ross Ulbricht w/Dominik Tarczynski & Thomas Massie
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Trump PARDONS Silk Road Founder Ross Ulbricht w/Dominik Tarczynski & Thomas Massie
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Josie
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Tim Pool
Donald Trump has kept a lot of promises already. Uh, it's strange because with securing the border or, or, or writing these executive actions, I feel good. With his executive order on the biological differences in sexes, I feel good partying. The J6ers was tremendous and I feel great. But Donald Trump has kept his word and pardoned the founder of Silk Road, Ross Ulbricht. And this one is tremendously emotional for so many people. And it's kind of strange that this one hits us so hard. But if you know the story of Silk Road and how they went after this guy, it really does feel like the weaponization of government. Set examples to punish individuals. This guy basically went to prison for things other people did. He's now been pardoned. And Donald Trump issuing a statement said, you know, to keep. Essentially thanks to the libertarian movement that supported him so strongly, he is keeping his word and issuing an unconditional pardon for Ross Ulbricht. Not even a commutation. And I just wanna say with that, this one mattered to a lot of people so much because of what the story represented, what it meant to Ross as an individual, his family. And Donald Trump is keeping his word to those that supported him. This is a massive story. I do feel it's a bit esoteric. The average person may not truly understand what this means or why it's so substantial, but this one really tugs at your heartstrings. Donald Trump keeping his word. Man, I feel like this might be the first real president, real leader in my lifetime. And so we have, we have a lot to go over. We have a lot of tremendous guests before we get started. My friends, of course, the promos cast brew coffee. How much you want to bet Ian's got no coffee left? Ian's graphene dream. 612 bags remain. I don't know how this guy does it. He sold 5,350 bags in a month.
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Ian Crossland
It's low acidity, but don't sell yourself short. You do a lot of the work.
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Tim Pool
Yeah, but I mean, none of the other coffees sell nearly as. I mean, get your low acidity coffee.
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Ian Crossland
If you haven't had it yet. It's really easy on the stomach compared to the other stuff.
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Tim Pool
Phil has coffee as well. Two weeks till Christmas, he's dressed like Santa. We actually, actually don't have the stats on how much he sold. I think he sold quite a bit but Ian's goes like hotcakes. Also check out boonies hq.com I'd say pick up your 28th amendment skateboard, the right to keep bear and breed chick but unfortunately we're sold out. So thank you all for buying that. We still have the right. I'm sorry, we're sold out of the right to arm bears as well. Okay, the boobies, here we go. The boobies is still available. The blue footed booby bird and I do believe we have step on Snek and find out in stock. If you haven't gotten your step on snack and find out you can grab that of course. As always, become a member@timcast.com I've got to shout this one out. My friends, we have an amazing guest, Dominic Tarchinsky, the best MP in Europe. And we had an amazing conversation before the show for our green room members only. You are not going to want to miss this talking about the Soviet era, what it was like in Poland, what Poland is going through now, why Poland has resisted the woke internationalist insanity. And we will talk a little bit about it tonight as well. But this was a really great episode and I believe it's about 40 minutes or so. So become a member@timcast.com to watch that and also get access to our Discord community where you can hang out with over 20,000 different individuals, make friends. There's a massive library of content, early morning shows, pre shows, after shows, et cetera. Don't forget to also smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know. And joining us tonight we have a massive panel of truly amazing guests. As I mentioned, European Member of Parliament Dominic Tarchinsky.
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Dominic Tarchinski
Thank you for having me. Good evening. Good morning whenever you are. Thank you for watching.
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Tim Pool
I guess with your title, people generally understand who you are, but you have a brief introduction about what you do.
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Dominic Tarchinski
And I'm a lawyer from Poland serving for a Polish member for Polish Parliament for, for two terms. Now elected to European Parliament second term. I'm doing my PhD in international law on genocide, especially cultural genocide. But my main thing now is the European Parliament and fighting for freedom. That's how would I would describe it to be honest.
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Tim Pool
And you're you were here to, to support Trump, is that?
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Dominic Tarchinski
Well, first of all to so to support him during the campaign and now celebrate. We, you know, we work hard and it's time to celebrate. But also, but also, I'm very happy. I'm really. Thank you. Thank you for, for having me. I'm just wondering how he's going to deliver because we worked hard, we fought for whatever happened, for the victory, actually. And now it's time to pray to support him. We have to pray. I'm serious about it because it's not going to be easy. He promised a lot and what they left is a lot.
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Tim Pool
Right on. Well, I'm glad to have you. It's going to be a lot of fun. And then we of course have the best member of American Congress. We have Rep. Thomas Massey, the American.
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Thomas Massie
Parliament, if you will.
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Tim Pool
Dominique.
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Dominic Tarchinski
Yes.
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Thomas Massie
One day you gotta, you know, we pretend there's only two parties in our country, but we shoehorn. Yeah, we shoehorn at least six different parties into those two parties. And I'm kind of some days a party unto myself within the Republican Party. I feel like I tell people I'm. I'm not bipartisan. Bi means you like both. Trans. I'm trans partisan.
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Dominic Tarchinski
You better be careful.
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Thomas Massie
Nowadays people call me trans because I'm transpartisan.
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Dominic Tarchinski
I know.
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Thomas Massie
I don't know which cloakroom to go into some days.
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Conor Tomlinson
I think there's an executive order against.
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Tim Pool
That, at least political. Introducing himself then as Conor Tomlinson.
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Conor Tomlinson
Yeah. Hello everyone. I'm back. I'm paying homage to the ascendant emperor visiting the Capitol. Everyone's open, carrying Trump paraphernalia now. It's fantastic.
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Tim Pool
The MAGA hats are everywhere.
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Conor Tomlinson
I know. I've spoken to at least three foreign Uber drivers that have said he's going to do no more wars and deport all illegals. And it's great. So I'm just hoping it cross pollinates over to the woke North Korea that the U.K. has become. I feel like Solzhenitsyn visiting the U.S. yeah.
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Dominic Tarchinski
Wow.
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Tim Pool
So. So who are you? What do you do?
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Conor Tomlinson
I am a writer for Iron Hersi Ali's Courage Media. I host Tomlinson Talks over@lotus eaters.com. i host deprogrammed at the New Culture Forum. General Internet troublemaker these days.
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Tim Pool
Right on. Josie, the redheaded libertarian is here.
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Josie
Hi, I'm Josie. I'm the redheaded libertarian. Can you hear me okay?
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Tim Pool
Yeah.
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Josie
Okay, good. I'm Josie. I'm the redheaded libertarian. I host a show on X called Spaces with Josie where I interview the coolest people on the planet. And I also a channel on YouTube called 1776 Xjosey where I educate people on revolutionary history because their teachers failed to do so.
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Tim Pool
And then of course, because as a condition of Rep. Massey's appearance, he insisted this man be here.
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Ian Crossland
That's true. Thanks, Tom. You made it happen. Hey, Ian Crossland. I'm happy to be here, you know, reoccurring Co host of Tim Cast IRL I've been making Internet videos since 2006. I care deeply about communication, being real and being honest and listening. That was something I learned early on. It's how important is to listen. So to be doing that for the next hour, then Phil Labonte, the one and only, will be stepping in for me. So let's get rolling, Tim.
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Tim Pool
Here's the big story and I'm glad that we have this great panel who can really break this down from the Hill. Trump pardons Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht President Trump said Tuesday he had signed a full pardon for Ross Ulbricht, the founder of the scandalous online marketplace Silk Road, fulfilling a campaign promise Trump had made to libertarian voters. I do believe I have the official statement here in a tweet from Thomas Massie. In fact, Trump said, I just called the mother of Ross William Albright Ulbricht to let her know that in honor of her and the libertarian movement which supported me so strongly, it was my pleasure to have just signed a full and unconditional pardon of her son Ross. The scum that worked to convict him were some of the same lunatics who were involved in the modern day weaponization of government against me. He was given two life sentences plus 40 years. Ridiculous. First off, for Donald Trump to keep his word on not just this, but so many other things. I saw so many J6ers the other day who had smiles on their faces. These were insane and unjust prosecutions, persecutions. And now with the pardoning of Ross Albright, it is an honor to have Donald Trump be serving as our president and keeping his word. But Rep. Massi, I know, can you break down why this, why this case is so important, why it was so insane, and why this matters?
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Thomas Massie
Well, I don't think this matters, but there is a typo in Trump's tweet there that it's supposed to be Ulbricht, but I hope he still gets the pardon.
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Josie
Oh, no.
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Thomas Massie
But no, you know, when I think about this, I'm thinking of a phrase in my head, make libertarians relevant again. And you know, a lot of times the only way libertarians are relevant in elections is, is to be the spoiler in a close race, maybe they take some of the votes away, like the Green Party might do to Democrats. But in this case, Angela McArdle, the chair of the Libertarian Party, decided to reach out, invited Trump to the Libertarian National Convention, where he spoke, and he made this pledge that he would free Ross Ulbricht. So I think that's a big deal that contributed to this. I decided two weeks before the election to endorse Trump myself. And I called him up, and he answered the phone, we talked a little bit, and I said, well, what should my endorsement say? And he brought up Ross.
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Tim Pool
Wow.
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Thomas Massie
To me. And so he said, you know, you could put that in your endorsement. And I thought, well, that would be a good way to lock this in.
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Tim Pool
Yeah.
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Thomas Massie
So I did. I put it in my endorsement. In the middle of my endorsement is a sentence that says, you know, the President has committed to freeing Ross Ulbricht. And then President Trump retweeted my endorsement, which sort of. It's not legally binding, but it really, I think, made it more solid. And I was, you know, just based on my personal conversation with President Trump, I was certain he was going to keep his word on this. And to me, this is a litmus test, really, when you. Are you going to convert those campaign promises into reality? Because once you get elected, it's hard to hold people accountable.
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Tim Pool
I was worried. I mean, it has been over 24 hours. He was even getting some flack from Fox News for not having done it sooner. But he did. He's kept his word on so many things.
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Thomas Massie
Well, and I want to share with you a letter that Ross wrote me on December 14th of this year, and his mom, Lynn, gave this to me. And I hope he doesn't mind me sharing this because it's personal, but it brought a tear to my eye. Mr. Massey, Inauguration Day fast approaches, and my hopes are running high that our new president will quickly put an end to my incarceration once he has sworn in. As I await the beginning of my new life in freedom, I just want to acknowledge you and thank you for your part in bringing about this wonderful outcome. You have consistently been a powerful voice in the public sphere, supporting my campaign for freedom. So my imminent release is as much a victory for you as it is for me and my family. Thank you for every single time you supported me, both publicly and in private. You put your faith and confidence in me, and now that I'm getting my second chance, I promise to make you proud that you did. I would love to connect with you once I am on the other side of these walls to See how I can help further the cause of freedom. So he's already thinking about what he can do. I know Josie's crying. I cried when I read this. I've read it twice, practiced it without. This is the first time I've been able to read it without crying. Because this is like you were saying, Tim, this is a personal example of how an election matters down to somebody who was going to rot in prison, was rotting in prison. And by the way, Ross, he, He didn't even. He was willing to settle for less than what Trump gave him. He was willing to settle to have a sentence commuted, which means you basically guilty, an admission of guilt. But you, your sentence is over. You've served enough time. And it was a ridiculous. Over sentencing, regardless of the guilt or not. It's, I think it's a violation of the eighth Amendment. Eighth Amendment to our Constitution says no cruel or unusual punishment. Why should you get two life sentences plus 40 years?
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Tim Pool
Well, explain. What is it? What, what is he, what was he accused of doing?
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Thomas Massie
Running a website that allowed people to buy and sell drugs, for instance, using Bitcoin. I think they made an example out of him because they didn't want people using Bitcoin. And at the, you know, now it's far more mainstream, but I think that's one of the reasons they did it.
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Tim Pool
But I think we should, we should clarify, I guess the website allowed people to buy and trade. What people did with it after the fact was what the people did with it.
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Thomas Massie
Well, MasterCard lets you pay for prostitutes. Right. Like, I mean, you can't to, you know, and obviously he was, he was trying to enable a broader set of trade, you know, but I think it was ridiculous over sentencing. And here's another example why it was. Everybody who committed a crime using that website is already free.
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Tim Pool
Yeah. Lesser sentences.
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Thomas Massie
Lesser sentences than him running the website. So this was an attack on freedom of speech, really, to some degree, being able to run this website, but also on bitcoin and alternate currencies. And Ross was the scapegoat. He was the example. They wanted to make an example. By the way, the people who, you know, Trump alludes to the, the morals or morality, moral depravity of the people who convicted Ross. They're the FBI investigators or whatever. Some of those were convicted themselves of lying and setting up evidence and, and, you know, they're already out as well. But they were the ones who were, you know, trying to set Ross up in some of these things. And then there was a public smear campaign against Ross, that scared a lot of people away, a lot of congressmen from trying to take up his cause, because, oh, my gosh, Ross did that. Oh, he tried to order a hit on somebody. Like that was one of the claims that was made. Never prosecuted, never brought up in court. I guarantee you, if they had any evidence of that, they would have used it to convict him for another life sentence. Okay, obviously they were throwing the book at him, but because they had those stories out there circulating that Ross tried to order a hit on somebody, for instance, that scared people away from taking up Ross's cause. Now, there was a letter circulated among Congress that got, you know, a few dozen signatures, were some people who weren't scared of it. But this is just. It's just a great win. I know Dominic's celebrating the victory, and this is one of the realizations of that victory.
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Dominic Tarchinski
Freedom, physical freedom, but also our brains, our mentality is freed. Now, I'm serious about it, because we had this conversation before the show, and I had this experience with this driver, Uber driver, who told me, he said, okay, now I'm gonna fight with all these leftist teachers who tried to deprive and, you know, do these things to my daughter. And I was thinking, where were you for four years? He was scared. Now we are free. Now we can experience what the. The life is. We can fight for what we believe in. So this victory, it's not about President Trump only, It's about us, obviously, about nations, about not only American nation, it's about freedom in general around the world. Because as we see ourselves as a Western civilization, as the free democratic countries, we see the differences between North Korea, Venezuela and others. Russia, we are free. We are fully free. So what this victory does to the people around the world is opens, let you breathe. Now, you can say whatever you think, especially you can say that there are two genders, women and men. You can say obvious facts. You know, you can. I mean, there's many people who thinks that the Earth is flat. They're free, they can think whatever they want. I'm not going to discuss this, but you can say whatever you, you want now. And this Uber driver is one of the examples from the recent days. Ours, I would say, when I spot the difference, like people. Ah, thank God. Now, so what happened this last four years, what they've done to the nation, nations, because it, it, you know, it's applicable, applicable to Europe as well. What they did was. I cannot say that this child, this little kid who thinks that is a cat or dog should be, you know, should be educated that you are not a dog because someone would be offended. Our civilization went to the level where everyone was scared to. To name and call the obvious facts. Now we can go back to normality. That's why he said, Donald Trump said that we are the part. We are not Republicans. What. He didn't say that, but we're. What he meant is our party is the party of the common sense. It wasn't about Republicans and Democrats in general, in my opinion. It was about common sense. Right. Women and men. That was very, very obvious. Security, safety. That was, that was my discussion when, when I was on election night on one of the shows and one of the leftists asked me who the hell is this guy during the debate. What are you doing in here? Why do you care about us? Why are you chanting us? You're not U. S. Citizen. How. How come you here? And my answer was I was invited to U. S. And I came here with my passport. All right, so, so, so, so, so, so migration was the huge problem. It is a global problem. Right. Europe has this problem for. For years us had this problem for years only because of leftism, the ideology. The other, the other thing is climate. People went mad. They found a new God. They found a new God. Climate we're going to cherish. We had this conversation about the women who doesn't want to have a children.
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Tim Pool
Yeah.
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Dominic Tarchinski
They want depopulize our planet because the planet is on the flame is burning. We have to save the planet. So let's, you know, abort babies or not have a babies because we have to save a planet.
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Tim Pool
But for you in Europe, you were saying this to me earlier that what happens here six months later. That's correct, happens in Europe. So a Trump victory here, actually I think we saw Brexit happened and then Trump won the first time they had enough.
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Dominic Tarchinski
They just had enough. And they were criticized like Great Britain the England was. Was criticized for leaving EU and obviously Nigel was called Russian asset. And you're with this weakening of. Of European Union is in favor of Russia and all this crap. They did not consider this decision as a. A fruit, an effect of leftism within the European Union totalitarian way of behaving. And when I was asked why do you care about America? Why do you spend so much time in America? Why do you fight for Trump? Why do you spend time with Americans? They don't elect you, they don't vote for you. That was the actual question I was asked. And I said because I care about my family, I care about my homeland. Because whatever happens in America, it happens in Europe. If America is weak, Europe is weak. If Europe is weak, Poland is under threat between Russia and Germany.
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Tim Pool
What do you think, Connor?
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Conor Tomlinson
I love how people go, why do you care so much about American politics? Oh, by the way, NATO, can you bail us out of this?
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Dominic Tarchinski
That's right. That's right.
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Conor Tomlinson
As far as the Ross Ulbricht story, I do find it very curious how Meta as a platform was found by the Wall street journal in 2023 to be facilitating child trafficking and knowing that they were doing it because they were putting up warnings saying, hey, this post might redirect you to a dodgy site that might be selling children. Are you sure you want to click on it rather than taking action? Or a story that I broke in late 2023 for GB News as well, Instagram was being used by people trafficking organizations, mainly in North Africa, to market their services to asylum seekers, illegal migrants to break into Britain via the English Channel. And alongside these videos of young men using their services were images and videos of young women in various states of wearing short skirts and having too much to drink out on a night out in the uk. And they're essentially advertising young English women as the spoils of war for illegal migrants to come over and claim. Again, Instagram, alerted to this, did nothing. So why are they not prosecuted with the same standard of facilitating illegal activity as Ross Ulbricht was? Very curious that I wonder if it's just lobbying efforts or the fact that certain politicians could trade on narrative control.
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Thomas Massie
Right, let me speak to an example of that. So somebody created a profile being a fake Thomas Massie, Congressman, and was contacting widows and trying to get their retirement money. And that happens all the time. Yeah. Wow. And so I call up Facebook and they act like they can't stop it. And they said, well, we don't know, we can't see it. I said, they're using the same picture as me. You've got some image search thing, you can go find this. They acted like they could and they said, go call the old lady that lost her money and tell her to pull up her computer screen and give us the exact URL. I'm like, if she knew the URL, she wouldn't have been defrauded of the money. And we got it taken down. And then another one came back up. Whenever they come back up after you get them taken out, you know they're making money or they wouldn't go to the effort, but they tried to pretend that they had no technology to stop this from happening. And I know it was a lie.
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Tim Pool
I want to jump to this story from the post. Millennial DC jail holding out on releasing J6ers after Trump issues pardons. Quote, of course DC Gulag is holding out because it's what they do. Kelly told Bannon that in the wake of the pardons issued by Trump, J6ers are gradually being released from federal prisons across the country. Of course DC Gulag is holding out because that's what they do, because this is a political gulag. So they're going to do whatever they can to extend the torment of Trump supporters in custody there. We've heard a bunch of stories of. There were some individuals that were being processed for release, stopped, turned around and brought back to their cells. And I'm curious if you understand why it's happening or if anybody's familiar, what are the excuses they're giving, or should these people just be released?
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Josie
It's the language. So the language says he needed pardons for everybody who's been. What did he say? Charged or convicted? Convicted. But then after that, it was like the rest of them that hadn't gotten that far. It needed to be approved by the doj, and that wasn't going to happen till the next morning. So I don't know if this.
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Dominic Tarchinski
And some of them are on the probation. So.
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Josie
Yes. So I don't know if. If this got corrected today or if this is still accurate. It was the language. They were. They were.
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Dominic Tarchinski
I had to.
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Josie
Using semantics on the language in order.
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Tim Pool
There's another individual who was initially, I believe, was initially arrested over J6, but then they found a grenade or something to that effect. Are you familiar with this story?
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Josie
Did they really, though?
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Tim Pool
Did they really, though? Either way, because the charges are not specifically J6. There are some people who are clearly arrested over this who have not yet been released.
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Dominic Tarchinski
I think I said, what, against the order?
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Tim Pool
Yeah.
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Dominic Tarchinski
I mean, those who are not released, because I had a meeting with the guys who just left this morning. They had the first breakfast. Yeah. And. And they are on the probation. There are different conditions, but the stories are horrific. What they went through, physical state, mental state, some of their own crutches. As. As you could see. Yeah. So physically they are devastated. And that was. I mean, I think someone would should do documentary documenting day stories and testimonies as soon as possible, because for us, they are, you know, J6ers. Right. That's it, J6ers. But when you hear the personal story, what they went through, through all these years, all this time, I would, I would call it torture when as a lawyer, from what I heard they went through torture, which is against international law, those responsible should pay consequences for what they have done.
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Ian Crossland
What's some of the horrible, like what was like the most horrible?
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Dominic Tarchinski
I don't want to say that, but it was physically really bad. Really, really bad.
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Tim Pool
Outside of the more extreme stories, there are simple ones like people being put in extended solitary confinement and not given proper meals or exercise.
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Dominic Tarchinski
And that's a part. That's the. By the international law, that's the part of the torture. Because everyone thinks that torture is when you lose your nails thief or whatever. No. When you are not getting food, water, when you are not taking care as the one who should, the way you should be by the law. That's the part of the torture. So you don't have to be in Guantanamo to go through torture. It's completely different by the international law. It's very serious.
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Josie
I have a breaking news. US Trades Taliban prisoner for you. For American detainees Ryan Corbett and William Wallace McKenty.
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Tim Pool
Trump's just getting a lot done real fast, huh? Yeah.
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Dominic Tarchinski
You asked me, you asked me how, how what? I think what it's going to happen. And I said he has to provide. He already the first he says day one. And he meant it like 200 orders, executive orders, day one. What he did now on day one is much more than Democrats did. Oh, sorry. It's not more wrong. Let me say again. They did so much damage and he in one day made so much good that these three things, gender equality, which means two genders, then pardoning people who went through torture, who only wanted to experience their own freedom. Now illegal migrants, like starting with deportation. Thank God that's a third thing. And what was the most important thing during this debate? What we had to discuss through all these months and years, I would say illegal migrants, J6ers and, and energy. Right. What he did the first exec. One of the first executive orders was get rid of this Paris agreement. Bravo, Mr. President. I'd love to do the same. If I would be president, I would do it the same day 1.
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Ian Crossland
I like the way that he was doing it too, because there's a video and if you haven't seen it, you should watch it. It was transparent. He sat down at his desk with a bunch of reporters signing executive order, talking to the reporters as chilling out like that's we missed this for four years. We didn't have a president that talked.
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Dominic Tarchinski
And he asked them how many, how many press conferences Biden did like this. And they went zero.
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Tim Pool
I love to hear Massey. I mean, you're more libertarian. What do you. How do you feel about these executive orders?
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Thomas Massie
Well, I was in the rotunda. You know, they had to move the inauguration inside. So I was in there and had a fairly good seat. And when you're sitting there, you have to decide where you're going to stand up and clap for. And I'm not one of these people that looks and sees as everybody else standing up. If he says something, you know, re reinstating the members of the military who were thrown out because of the vaccine mandate, that was a big one for me. Another one is stop fighting wars that aren't ours. Get. Get back to focusing on America. And I think he's already starting to deliver on that in the Middle east with negotiating. He's got somebody over there who's negotiating the day before he was sworn in the release of some of the hostages in Gaza. But I think more importantly, an end to that war. And so I think that's the other promise. I remember a phone call I had with Trump when he was president, number 45, and we had this controversial vote on Iran.
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Dominic Tarchinski
He.
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Thomas Massie
He wasn't really in agreement with the way I was going to vote, and I respect his opinion. And basically the issue was this. They had taken out Soleimani in Iraq, not in Iran. And the question was, could he strike mainland Iran? And the Democrats were not sincere in their effort, but they put a piece of legislation on the floor that says you can't go to war with Iran without a vote of Congress. Well, that's just patently obvious to me. But there were only three Republicans that voted for that. All the Democrats voted for. They were just trying to embarrass Trump. That's.
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Josie
That's a cost that's in the Constitution that you can't go to war without. It is Congress.
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Thomas Massie
So. So the president called me. He got caught wind that I wasn't. That I was going to be voting for that resolution. And I thanked him. You know, I tried to diffuse the situation a little bit. I just said, look, you're the first president since I've been old enough to vote who hasn't started a war. And I really appreciate that. And he's thankful that I acknowledged it. But I said, I just can't be with you on this vote today. I don't care if it's Obama who's president or your president. It's Congress's role to declare war or not. And his argument to me was, if you give me more authority or don't tie my hands, I can basically carry a bigger stick and keep us out of war. And my argument back was, well, if we allow you to make a bigger, I wouldn't say bluff because it could eventually turn into something. If we, if we allow you to make a bigger threat, but we give up in that our ability to stop it, then if they call your threat, we're in full blown war. And we've already, you know, given up our ability as Congress to say we can't be in that war. And so I ultimately didn't have his favor that day because I did vote with, unfortunately, I did vote with a, for a resolution the Democrats put on the floor, but was one that says you can't go to war without an act of Congress.
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Ian Crossland
This is like since the Patriot act, they've been like, George Bush was declaring.
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Tim Pool
Hey, World War II, I believe was the last time.
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Ian Crossland
Yeah, Vietnam was just a peacekeeping action.
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Josie
But aumf, it all got sketchy about how much power the president actually has to declare war, you know, and, but they, yeah, there's been about 80 conflicts that have been war related that have not been voted on by Congress because the last one was one of the battles of World War II.
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Tim Pool
Yeah.
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Thomas Massie
And just to wrap this up, what I want to do is give President Trump praise for putting this in his inauguration speech to say we're not going to fight wars that aren't ours and we're going to focus back on our own borders.
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Tim Pool
Well, so how do you feel? I mean, it's a lot of executive orders, though.
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Thomas Massie
Oh, yeah.
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Tim Pool
Is there concern about. Yeah, 200?
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Dominic Tarchinski
About 200. Right.
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Thomas Massie
But most of them are undoing things that Biden did where Biden overstepped his authority.
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Ian Crossland
You know, what he did was he claimed that the cartels in Mexico are terrorists. Foreign terrorist. Terrorist organizations. Which gives him.
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Dominic Tarchinski
Because they kind of. Yeah.
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Ian Crossland
The legal authority to what, declare drone bombs now in Mexico. And he wants to build up the troop presence on the southern border. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but I'm saying he did that. And what do you guys think?
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Dominic Tarchinski
Well, we had, we had this discussion just before the show about the new way of gaining power through war, a new way of new weapons, basically. Because my PhD is on genocide, but especially on cultural genocide. So drugs, alcohol is used as a weapon against the nations. Like I know from Venezuela in the past, they said, okay, we're not going to use war, we're not going to use tanks against us. We're Going to use drugs. So what is happening? It's not only business, it's a political decision. Fenton Fentanyl is one of those recent decisions. Political decision to pump it into America and kill society, weaken the society. And I don't believe it's only. I know it's not only business. This is the way to kill. That's why I think it's a part of cultural culture. Genocide against American society. This is what they trying to do in Europe. But Poland, for example, is the last stronghold of normality and, and awareness that this is not only business. So we fight very hard and we protect our borders the way nobody does, because our parliament passed the law that we can use live bullets, lithium weapon to kill if you are trying to cross the border and harm any of our soldiers. So if you want to come to Poland illegally trying to, you know, harm any of our services, you will die.
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Tim Pool
I wonder real quick, the United States has been largely funding all these other countries, wars in other countries. And correct me if I'm wrong, has this been fact checked yet that Trump paused foreign aid for 90 days for everyone but Israel? Really?
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Josie
Yes, that's what the community notes said.
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Thomas Massie
Wow.
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Tim Pool
Well, either way to start, I guess. But in terms of how much we've spent on Israel and Ukraine and Afghanistan, Iraq, et cetera, Taiwan recently, Taiwan recently. The only actual move that would ever make sense to an American is securing our southern border, dealing with the cartels that are trafficking fentanyl, drugs, children. When, when, when they come to us and say Ukraine and Russia, it's like, okay, I mean, this is eight. What are we, 8,000 more? 12,000 miles away? How far away is it from here? What is the purpose of American resources going into these conflicts? Israel, for instance. And on the southern border we have drugs, trafficking, murder, death. They say that I forgot the name of the city. Yeah, yeah, yeah. One of the most dangerous cities in the world. It's on our border and there's death and explosions and guns. I mean, we should stop that, right?
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Dominic Tarchinski
Why soldiers and border officers are given guns. What is the reason in the United States, what is the purpose of having a gun? Deterrence it. What is the problem? What is the problem for American Congress to pass the law that immediately when someone is trying to cross the wall is dead? That's the problem. We pass this law, do it.
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Tim Pool
I mean, let's contrast the the with the experience.
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Dominic Tarchinski
With the experience of what? Of the gangs. Because it's not about killing people, innocent people, for no reason, like, you know, like a do like, like ducks it's not about that. We are human beings. We know that there are different situations. But the wave of illegals are used by the terrorists in Europe. They blow themselves in Paris, in Sweden, in Germany, not in Poland. Zero illegal migration equals zero terrorist attack. That's officially.
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Tim Pool
I want to. I want to ask the congressman your perspective as an American on how this. We would handle the southern border security issue.
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Thomas Massie
Well, I mean, even if you didn't need guns or did need guns, Biden didn't care.
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Dominic Tarchinski
Yeah, well, it's not about you.
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Josie
It's about.
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Dominic Tarchinski
It's about Democrats. What they did, they did nothing.
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Thomas Massie
It's not that we can't stop them. I mean, he can build a wall and stop them. The Democrats open the doors in the wall.
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Dominic Tarchinski
Yeah. And invited them.
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Thomas Massie
Yeah. And invite them when they come in.
- [36:28]
Dominic Tarchinski
Invite them.
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Thomas Massie
One other thing about being in the Rotunda when Trump was delivering that speech, from where I was sitting, I could see George Bush and I could see Bill Clinton and I could see Joe Biden. Just a cabal of neocons who have started wars and got us involved in so many things overseas. And it looked like they were eating lemons and Trump was having a ball with him, just feeding them lemons.
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Josie
That was wonderful. I wanted to answer Ian's question, question that he asked earlier. So Donald Trump did use his emergency powers to Donald Trump. Is that good?
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Dominic Tarchinski
Good.
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Josie
All right. Donald Trump did use his emergency powers to declare an invasion, and that tends to still need Congress to issue some sort of joint resolution or kind of back him up. It needs congressional affirmation, I believe. He can't just do that, but he did that so that way he could enact the Alien Enemies act that John Adams incited in 1798, and that would give him the power to order troops to restrain and. And just apprehend illegal people that are threatening America. And the last time this was used was World War II when they did it to the Japanese. So he's not planning to put them all in camps like FDR did. He's planning to send them back home.
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Tim Pool
So just a couple of clarifications. Donald Trump issued a lethal fourth, a lethal force authorization back in 2018. And it is the current policy of CBP that they do have the authorization for lethal force. Thank God, when presented with a threat or something of that nature.
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Josie
So that was overturned by Biden that Biden didn't over. I know. He went in and overturned everything.
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Tim Pool
Well, so. So the issue was when we had this big border crisis with Texas and the federal government I believe it was reaffirmed or it was explicitly affirmed the National Guard had the authority to use it the force. Because there are cartel members with rifles.
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Dominic Tarchinski
That's right.
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Tim Pool
With ill intent trafficking.
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Dominic Tarchinski
But you had four years of services being scared to use it. That is the problem. Because if this law is in power, why they are still coming, why they are not afraid when we pass the law recently, the numbers of illegal drop drastically.
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Tim Pool
Like the issue is largely that although Trump issued, I mean, I'll clarify Democrats.
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Dominic Tarchinski
They built the atmosphere for the illegals with this apps, websites inviting them and services did not what to do. Okay, we do have a ride. But then on the political side we have president and administration which is inviting. That's how I understand the situation.
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Tim Pool
I'll break this down because it's worse than you than, than, than are discussing. The first thing I'll say is the authorization as we see it is. It's supposed to be obvious. If our law enforcement, if our National Guard, if our soldiers, our federal agents are being threatened by obvious armed cartel members or otherwise, they have a right to use force to defend themselves and this country. What ends up happening under the Biden administration is this open door policy that they deny until it becomes so problematic they have no choice. Chicago is dealing with a mass migration problem. It's worse. We've discussed it on the show. Dr. Phil appearing on the View explaining it wasn't. It was, it was so far gone as, as to how Biden, his administration was allowing this, that there were CBP agents publicly stating that there were children being trafficked into prostitution under their watch and facilitated by cbp. Customs and Border Protection were bringing in children with numbers on their arms that they knew they were being sent into child prostitution and they assisted in it as per the orders they were given by the federal government. What's changing now? It's really simple. We don't need to worry about lethal force. We don't need to worry. Donald Trump is shutting the border down for illegal immigration and he's gonna build a wall. He's issuing the executive orders. So back to what you were saying, Ian. When I look at issues of Ukraine, Israel, Taiwan, et cetera, you're gonna have to give me a really, really clever and likely circuitous argument about the, the interests of the American people in what these things do for us. The southern border makes sense when we know from Dr. Phil himself children are being trafficked. Right. I believe. Did you want to add to that?
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Thomas Massie
No, I'll wait for him.
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Ian Crossland
I joked, kind of joked at the Iowa Caucus. We had Vivek around this one about setting up machine gun nests all along the southern border. Like, I'm, I'm kind of hardcore about this.
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Tim Pool
Yeah, everybody got freaked out by that.
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Ian Crossland
And it was like, well, I put the seed in the ground and I'm not. What concerns me is these cartels sit back in their, in their headquarters and they get citizens that don't know what's going on to run drugs in their underwear across the border. And then what do they open fire on?
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Tim Pool
No.
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Ian Crossland
Okay, so like, how do you discern a threat?
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Tim Pool
Okay, when it's hidden, when they're attacking us, when they're putting bombs in Juarez and things like that. We know, like when they are murdering people. It is reasonable to say we have to defend people from being murdered. That's self defense.
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Dominic Tarchinski
Okay.
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Josie
500,000 children went missing. The.
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Dominic Tarchinski
That's right.
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Josie
The HHS is in charge of placing the, the, the unaccompanied minors. So it might go to show that the US Government is the leading child trafficking organization in the United States.
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Tim Pool
I do want to jump to the next story, though, because one sentence. Yeah.
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Dominic Tarchinski
Well, what do you do, what do you do when someone is trying to break into your home, to your house?
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Tim Pool
What is on the state?
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Dominic Tarchinski
Okay, well, no, no, no. I'm talking about logical thinking. Do you ask question or do you shoot and then ask questions? But I should. And then I ask questions. What do you do if there is three people in the house? What do you do when it's five people in, in your house? What would you do if there's 330 million? America is your home. You have to protect it. Shoot. And that's. Then ask questions.
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Tim Pool
Well, the, the issue here is the United States is that each different state has different laws. So for Poland.
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Dominic Tarchinski
No, I'm talking about, I'm talking about the law in European Union. I'm not talking about someone being killed for nothing. I'm talking about the act of terrorism. I'm talking about those who are trying to commit crime. I'm not talking about shooting to anyone just to be, you know, I'm talking about the terrorists, gangs, those who are trying to sell drugs and, and they killing people. You have to protect yourself in general.
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Thomas Massie
So obviously, Trump is doing everything he can that he can do by executive action and executive orders and policy changes. And a lot of that is rolling back to what he had when he was president the first time, which worked. But there's another prong here. As a member of US Congress, I have to tell you, we are also going to pass laws and there's a bill called reconciliation that allows you to do this with 51 votes in the Senate instead of the typical 60 votes. And so this will be one of the first bills that comes through Congress. There's going to be a tendency to add a lot of other stuff to it and not do things that need to be done in it. But I want to assure end, I have, I have the same concerns. Like we, this is not, we don't have a king here and you know, he doesn't get to make law, but he gets to enforce law. And there are some policies. But we are going to have bills to, to do basically a belt and suspenders here, you know. So one of Trump's executive orders is to end birthright citizenship, for instance. We can do that in law as well. Now there'll still be, there'll be arguments, constitutional arguments made to the Supreme Court and a lot of this will get tied up. But it's a more solid footing when it's a law that's passed by Congress as opposed to an executive action or executive order. So that's going to come in the first six months of this Congress.
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Tim Pool
Let's jump to this story for the post Millennial, you are fired. Trump Admin removes over 1000 Biden appointed staffers not aligned with MAGA. My presidential personnel office is actively in the process of identifying and removing over a thousand presidential appointees from the previous administration. Trump had posted this on a truth social saying, our first day in the White House is not over yet. My presidential personnel office is actively in the process of identifying and removing over a thousand presidential appointees from the previous administration who are not aligned with our vision to make America great again. Let this serve as official notice of dismissal for these four individuals, with many more coming soon. He then goes on to mention Jose Andres from the President's Council on Sports, Mark Milley from the National Infrastructure Advisory Council, Brian Hook from the Wilson center for Scholars, and Keisha Lance Bottoms from the President's Export Council. We also have this story from the Daily Mail. Donald Trump fires first female Coast Guard leader over her obsession with dei. So going back to what Trump is famous for, his firing lots of people. Good thing.
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Conor Tomlinson
May I defend the absolute necessity of this with an example from my own country? So those who peripherally follow British politics over in the UK might know a woman by the name of Liz Truss who is the shortest serving prime minister in history and has since become a decent friend of mine. Because the typical the layman's view is that she crashed the economy with a new budget. What ended up happening was the banks reacting to what the Federal Reserve were doing to curb Biden's inflation, set interest rates high about a week before, and then they decided to treat pension products the same way as they did running up to 2008 crash. It led to a run on the market. She was scapegoated for it. She was kicked out. Nobody at the banks lost their jobs for losing millions in public funds. Because what the Tony Blair government did in 1997 up to 2010 was ensure that every single civil service appointee is appointed by another civil servant and every institution is neutral and independent from parliament. So the heads of the banks, the heads of the civil service, no matter what they get wrong, they cannot be fired or replaced by someone in Parliament. And they have the power to, as we've seen, create enough pressure, enough turmoil to unseat an elected prime minister. And the reason I raise that is because the chairman of the Fed, Jerome Powell, as soon as the prospects of tariffs were brought up, he was saying, well, we might be able to do something with interest rates about that. This is something J.D. vance warned about. This is something that Trump himself said that he was on the watch for. So the need to have everyone in these institutions that are ostensibly neutral but riddled with political ideology onside to enact the democratic will of the people is necessary. And so Trump needs to get rid of these people.
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Ian Crossland
You know, talk about oligarchy. It's been coming up a lot lately. Someone said Trump was involved with an oligarchy. I mean, Federal Reserve, that's an out. That's the oligarchy.
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Tim Pool
Right?
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Ian Crossland
There is these unelected, quasi public private organizations. Dudes come in and they can, like, choose where the global interest is. It's absolutely ridiculous.
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Dominic Tarchinski
He.
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Thomas Massie
He has to be able to fire anybody, really. Otherwise elections don't matter and we don't. The Democrats like to call it a democracy, but I call it a Republican. Neither of those is the case if you have people who can't be fired after an election by their boss. So this, this is just a principle that has to exist. Now, the one thing he's done in, in an executive order is just a hiring freeze. Okay? You're going to have people who quit, or maybe just they've served so long in government die, whatever. At least take advantage of the fact everybody can't stay around forever and quit hiring people.
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Dominic Tarchinski
If they supported the past administration politically for what they have done to this country and then to the world, in many Ways they should quit and they should be fired. That's it.
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Josie
The word democracy is mentioned zero times in the US Constitution. The words a republican form of government is mentioned in the US Constitution. So referring to America as a democracy is anti American in some way.
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Thomas Massie
But the Democrats have. The Democrats have cognitive dissonance when they try to argue that our country should be run by bureaucrats who can't be fired and then say they're trying to preserve the democracy.
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Conor Tomlinson
No, no, that makes perfect sense. It actually makes perfect sense. I'll explain it. They believe everyone's a blank slate. So they think that actually everyone has identical interests deep down. And instead, someone like Donald Trump is coming along with his populist racist rhetoric and casting kind of spell over them. Now, because they're enlightened to this and all of their experts understand this, they can act in your self interest to realize your latent potential as a egalitarian blank slate person and enact progressive policies that are actually what you want deep down, if you weren't just tricked by misinformation. That is what these people believe.
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Tim Pool
Now I understand it is. And they use the democracy line, as we've known, we've pointed out for some time. When they say our democracy, they were referring to their bureaucratic establishment government, not the will of the people or the republic or a nation of independent states. It is just whatever at the time the hive mind seems to agree with. That's where they march in lockstep.
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Ian Crossland
They call it the Democratic Party. There's things you can call your party anything you want, like the we kick dogs party and not ever kick a dog. But your party can still be called Democratic when it's oligarchic in nature.
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Tim Pool
Rhett Massey, how many times have you encountered a bill that's titled something like the Free pancakes for breakfast bill, and then you read it and it says puppies bill, it makes dogs illegal.
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Thomas Massie
Freedom Act. The Patriot Act.
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Tim Pool
Exactly.
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Thomas Massie
Inflation Reduction act is the most recent famous one.
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Conor Tomlinson
Yeah.
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Dominic Tarchinski
This is why Lansley victory was so important, to prove that there's no discussion. Because what we heard from Kamala, our democracy is in danger on the threat. Trump is coming. Like he would be someone who wants to steal the will of the nation. And then this nation under threat, this nation which was scared, gave the voice and. And voted. And this victory was. I don't know who won with such a big numbers. I mean, I was. I was in shock. I knew he's gonna win and I knew. I was hoping that he's gonna win. But the outcome Was, was this, was.
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Tim Pool
This the most votes ever received?
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Dominic Tarchinski
Probably yes, it was. So number wise. So there is no discussion about, about democracy, which is under fire. And this, I know this very well because democracy, rule of law and all this sentences, beautiful words are, are in European Union, when the leftists are targeting Republicans, conservatives, you are the threat against democracy. Do you remember the referendum? That was Scotland. I believe they did. The outcome was not very good. So let's repeat it.
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Conor Tomlinson
Yes, well, same with Brexit referendum, because.
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Thomas Massie
They don't like it.
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Conor Tomlinson
Well, and then what happened?
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Tim Pool
Real quick Correction. Trump has 77.3 million to Joe Biden's 81 million.
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Conor Tomlinson
And obviously Joe Biden won more black voters than Obama in Detroit, which is completely.
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Tim Pool
Well, I mean, he's, he was the most popular president of all time.
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Dominic Tarchinski
Yes.
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Tim Pool
And I want to clarify this too. For everybody who's scoffing and laughing, you can say whatever you want. And I know everyone's saying he didn't actually get those votes. I'm gonna say it like this, perhaps or a man who won with the most votes in US history ever screwed up so miserably he was removed by his own party. Donald Trump debated this man and won the election in that moment and sent them into disarray. So if they want to claim their 81 million. Talk about standing tall and falling hard.
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Conor Tomlinson
Well, Seoul cemeteries just stayed at home. This time, I assume I wanted to mention the Brexit thing because this is the idea that democracy mattered to the people that wanted to relitigate Brexit is absurd because as soon as Brexit then happened, the British people were punished for voting for that. Brexit did precede Trump, but Brexit has never been properly carried out because the main reason that people voted for Brexit was the main reason they voted for Trump this time. That was to lower inward migration. For people that don't know, America has net migration of about a million a year. Right. You're a massive country. Still quite high. We're a country the size of New York State. And since Brexit, net migration has gone from about 300,000 a year to over a million every single year in the uk.
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Dominic Tarchinski
That's right.
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Conor Tomlinson
And the composition has mainly not been chaps like Dominic, where it was majority 80% European, particularly Poles, it's now 250,000 Indians, 100,000 Nigerians, 100,000 Pakistanis, which is great for the grooming gangs, as you can imagine. And literally no party other than reform at the last election. But their immigration policy is a Bit shaky, wants to stop it and address it. So democracy has not been delivered.
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Dominic Tarchinski
So that's very interesting because I used to live in London. I paid my taxes, I was a migrant, a legal migrant who contributed to your country for the opportunity which was given to me, a migrant as a student to learn a little bit of English. And then I paid my taxes. I, I graduated with my university and I came back to my homeland. And I'm grateful to your country for this opportunity to learn a little bit of English, to be on simple podcast. Years after that I paid my taxes. I'm. I have a beautiful memories and now I'm serving to my country. That is the right way to understand migration. If you want to come, come legally for six or 10 months, pay your taxes and go back to your homeland. We are not North Korea. It's not like you cannot come to Poland or you cannot leave, you cannot leave the country. What we want, what you should want, what actually you do want, is regular migration. You can apply, you can submit your documents, you can ask for a permission for a visa, you can stay for some time and then go back to your homeland if you are a real patriot. We do not want people who doesn't love their own country because definitely they will not love your country.
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Conor Tomlinson
Do you know how many of that 1 million every year are taxpayers? Do you want to take a guess at the percentage?
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Dominic Tarchinski
I would say 10%. 5.
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Conor Tomlinson
5%. So all the debate about the H1B visas and that in the US is absolutely fascinating. The UK is an absolute warning sign for you guys because in large enough quantities, you get net detriments, crime goes up and it means that your home is no longer a home. It's just a revolving government.
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Dominic Tarchinski
That's it.
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Tim Pool
Let's, let's jump to this story. We have this from Tim Cast News on X. Donald Trump out in support of H1B. I want to play for you the statement. It's not gotten a lot of attention. I'm surprised I'm not seeing articles written about it. We did post it on Tim Cast News. Donald Trump says H1B should bring in waiters and wine connoisseurs. So this is huge because there's a big debate at the end of December. Let me play the clip for you. There's been some debate within your orbit over whether or not to keep or eliminate H1B visas. What's your position on that? Do you want to keep H1BS or do you want to get.
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Unknown
I like both sides of the argument. Argument. But I also like Very competent people coming into our country, even if that involves them training and helping other people that may not have the qualifications they do. But I don't want to stop. And I'm not just talking about engineers. I'm talking about people at all levels. We want competent people coming into our country. And HB1, I know the program very well. I use the program maitre d's, wine, you know, experts, even waiters, high quality waiters, you got to get the best people. Now then you go into people like Larry and he needs engineers and Mahsa needs, and this gentleman needs engineers like nobody's ever needed engineers. Right. So we have to have the quality people coming in. Now by doing that, we're expanding businesses and that takes care of everybody. So I'm sort of on both sides of the argument. But what I really do feel is that we have to let really competent people, great people come into our country and we do that through the H1 program.
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Tim Pool
This debate with this statement from Trump largely goes against what his base has been saying since, since the debate in December. With Trump saying maitre d's, wine experts and even waiters. He's saying quite literally entry level, low skilled positions. Now I get it. If you're a properly trained maitre d, he's saying, he's saying classically trained professional waiters at high end restaurants, perhaps, but these are still jobs that Americans can train for and do. I'm curious what you guys think.
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Josie
I know that Elon Musk got in, I believe you could fact check me. He got in on an H1B, I believe, and that's why he's so passionate about it. He was denied the O1, which is for the exceptionally gifted people, the visa for the exceptionally gifted people. So I think that's why he fights so hard for the H1B is because it gave him this amazing opportunity for America. H1B, it's, it's, it should be reformed to the point where it's more, more of an O1, where, where it's more of people who would add to society who are merit based as opposed to coming in to be a waiter.
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Tim Pool
For those who don't know, O1 is exceptional talent. So your celebrities, your rock stars, whatever pros, PhDs, they, that, that's the brain drain H1B is. We can't find anybody. Can we get someone to run our bar who comes from, you know, insert whatever country. A lot of the tech companies abuse this. I'm curious, Rhett Massey, your thoughts? As you know, you're in Congress.
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Thomas Massie
I have a foreign accent on my voicemail and my maps. That narrates for me, my Siri. When people call up, they say, why do you have that? I said, it's a H1B voicemail. They're just some jobs Americans won't do. They won't record my voicemail for me, but any message anyways. I think it's just, it's like a lot of things, it's well intended and it gets abused.
- [58:06]
Tim Pool
Yeah.
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Thomas Massie
When I was in business, I had a software company. This was 25 years ago. We had one person who was there on a visa at my company. I didn't, didn't really, you know, HR hired him or whatever. I remember like probably signing something to help him get his visa renewed. But he wasn't taking anybody's job. He had a certain competency and computer aided design that was hard to come by as an engineer. I don't feel. This is my background engineering. I don't feel threatened. You're going to have centers of excellence in Canada, for instance, where people come in and build things, great things there. But it's, But I'm sure, I'm absolutely certain it's abused at this point. So the answer. And by the way, just one other thing. I think what the mandate in this election was to stop illegal immigration. I don't, I don't think there was a mandate on H1B.
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Dominic Tarchinski
Okay. What I was, what I was about to say, okay. And I'm. I'm deadly serious now. Okay? Deadly serious. Would you hire me, Tim? Would you hire me or anyone else who is watching us? Would you hire me to. Depending on. Yeah, exactly. If there would be a job, you think after this, an hour or so that I could do. Would you hire me? If you would think that, wow, this guy is good in talking, in presenting, I don't know, selling relations, whatever, whatever it is. Would you.
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Tim Pool
You would be.
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Dominic Tarchinski
Because I'm Polish. Yeah. Right.
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Tim Pool
You would be an O1.
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Dominic Tarchinski
Yeah.
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Tim Pool
You are, you are.
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Dominic Tarchinski
I'm Polish. I'm a foreigner. Right. I know. I can bet there is many people who would be ready right now to hire me. I'm happy to cooperate with everyone. When I was in London, I had this conversation with English lady and she, she went, if your plumbers and builders would leave England now, our economy would collapse. This is what she says. So the whole, the whole thing is. It's about getting migration programmed in a way that you don't have. You don't have illegal migration. What he's trying to. I'm not defending the whole, the whole idea, but there is a huge difference between Dominic being in London for five years, paying his taxes and then coming back to his homeland, working and serving to his people. And I do understand that he meant people who will come for six or 10 months, just like I did. I used to work on the cruise ships as a student. I've done my contract and I went back home. So this is, I think this is what we are talking about, not about taking jobs. And I think that we are talking about the situation when your unemployment is close to zero. Right. We're not talking about a situation when you have like 7, 8 or 9% of unemployment in US and getting people. No, no, no, no, no, no. When your unemployment is close to zero, just like In Poland, it's 2% thanks to our, thanks to our government. The lowest, the lowest in European Union. Then you can think about quality migration for some time. Six or ten months.
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Thomas Massie
I heard you say a statistic that 95% of the people who were immigrating into, what was that? Great Britain.
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Conor Tomlinson
Yes.
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Thomas Massie
Didn't pay taxes. I would assume every One of these H1B visa holders is paying taxes. So the argument, you know, that's, that's a good argument you made, but I don't think it applies to H1B.
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Tim Pool
But a waiter, I mean there are young people out here who can train to do that job that need jobs that feel that they're being left behind.
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Thomas Massie
Well, I've been in restaurants where the waiter is making probably close to six figures and supporting a family and he's been in that restaurant for 20 years. I'm usually not the one paying for the meal. I don't go, I don't choose these places. But go to Joe's Seafood down here in Washington D.C. there's a guy, you know, there's several guys have supported a family and put them through college. That's a different category. I think that's what Trump, Trump has been to restaurants like that and we.
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Tim Pool
Have, I understand, you know, I've been to these steakhouses and you have waiters who are professionals. They can tell you about every wine from every region and the difference. But a 20 year old American man or woman can train for that. Of course. And I think the challenge right now for Gen Z especially is they feel like they're struggling. It's hard to own property. They're seeing illegal immigrants. I know no one here is in favor of that, but they're seeing benefits given to illegal immigrants. And then on top of this, an argument being made even by Trump, that if you want to be a waiter, something that you can go and get trained for over a period of a few months, we would rather bring someone in from a different country than give you those skills. But, Conor, you wanted to jump in.
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Conor Tomlinson
I was going to say a couple of things. First of all, I mean, Dominic, you're an absolute gentleman, as is my good friend Ayan Hossi Ali from Somalia. But we don't set our broad immigration policies for exceptions like yourself, Ryan Hirsi Ali. There's a great example of the Polish plumbers and builders stuff. They were, they were great compared to the cohort we've got now. But we still had to house them. So all the houses they were building, they also required infrastructure. So I do agree. Yeah. So that's, That's a comment about the volume.
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Dominic Tarchinski
Yeah.
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Conor Tomlinson
But there's a comment about cultural proximity.
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Ian Crossland
Yeah, I'm about to. Oh, sorry.
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Dominic Tarchinski
Yeah.
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Conor Tomlinson
I was going to say an economy is just the aggregated economic. The aggregated activity of a people in a place, in a time. So their culture feeds into what that activity is most likely to be like. And so if you mass import people from countries which are not very economically active, you can judge by proxy, their culture is not very good. It's not very proximate to the, to the United States. And so even if they're coming in and paying large volumes of taxes, it still feels like a transitory population. You don't know your neighbors. And so it's, it's. It doesn't matter how skilled these waiters are. If you put in 100,000 Indian waiters, that's.
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Tim Pool
You don't know as Embans get up different ways. Do y'all know the origin of the word economy? Go for it. Oikonomia.
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Conor Tomlinson
Oh, boycos.
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Tim Pool
Yes. Household management.
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Ian Crossland
You know, I was thinking before I go, last thought. Is that, like, I don't know, man. I got mixed feelings on this immigration because in one way, if someone's born in the US this is kind of like the idea of stripping away birthright citizenship. Phil Abonti is about to jump in. If someone's just a scummy use. Not useless. A horrible thing to say, but just like they eat.
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Tim Pool
Really horrible.
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Ian Crossland
They're lazy. Why would we prioritize that guy just because of where he was born over the really talented, brilliant Polish dude? It doesn't make any sense to me. I feel like, sorry, buddy, if you didn't try, you. You don't get it because you were from here. So I got I mean, that's kind of my mixed feelings on this.
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Conor Tomlinson
But doesn't break him. Does, does his laziness make him less of an American if he can trace his founding back to the Mayflower?
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Ian Crossland
Technically, no. Technically, if you're born in the country, this might change.
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Tim Pool
Technically, if you're born in the country.
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Ian Crossland
You get all the. Yeah, I think merit. Bye, everyone. Have a great night.
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Dominic Tarchinski
But the whole discussion, as I said, I think the whole discussion should, should start when your unemployment is close to zero. If there is an unemployment in your country, this discussion should not even appear. You have to take care of your own people if they need training, provide your training. If there is no money on the training, make money as a government responsible for the money on the training, train your people, get them jobs and then think about growing. All we. We know that bigger country, bigger society is more taxes, more opportunities. Look at China. Look at China. The, the way they dealing. Look, why? Because of the volume. We all know that. So. So. But as I said, if there is no. If there is. If there is no unemployment, then you can discuss it. If there is even a small slight, anyone without a job, this discussion should not take place. That's it.
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Thomas Massie
Can I ask a question? What's the magnitude in the United States? How many, how many H1Bs do we give every year? I genuinely don't know the answer because I.
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Tim Pool
85.
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Thomas Massie
How much?
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Tim Pool
5,000.
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Thomas Massie
85,000. That. I appreciate Connor's argument that you can't dilute your culture. If you can't bring on too many people too quickly or you lose what you are, your national identity. And I'm not saying they have to be the same color or anything like that. I'm just like, do they appreciate the Constitution and the principles that we stand for? But if it's 85,000, that might not be too many.
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Tim Pool
Let's. Phil's joining us and then I'm going to jump to a story.
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Phil Labonte
Yeah, I mean, I think that the, the ideology of the people that are coming is really the most important thing. Like you said, if they, if they believe in the things that make America the country we are, they believe in, you know, a capitalist system. If they believe in property rights, if they believe in individual rights, that the government should be subordinate to the people, then I'm fine with it. It doesn't matter where they come from. But if they have, like, if they have an ideology that is directly opposed to those things, I think the US should completely say, no, you're not welcome here because you don't align with our ideals. And it has nothing to do with.
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Dominic Tarchinski
What you have to respect our faith, our culture and our tax system. That's very basic.
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Tim Pool
Let's jump to this story from The New York Times. 22 states sue to stop Trump's birthright citizenship order. The lawsuit to block the President's executive order is the first salvo and what is likely to be a long running legal fight over immigration policy. So let's make. I'll try to simplify this as much as I can. Under the 14th Amendment, it says all those born in the United States and subject to its jurisdiction therein are citizens. Donald Trump has issued an executive order basically stating or that if you are born of people who are here unlawfully or here only temporarily, we will not recognize your citizenship. 22 states have sued him over this. It likely will. I believe it'll go to the Supreme Court. I don't know if you.
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Josie
That's the goal.
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Tim Pool
Right. And then the question is, how does the Supreme Court rule? I will give you my thoughts first, real quick. My interpretation of the 14th Amendment. And Josie would probably know better. So I look to you after this was literally following the Civil War. They were trying to rectify what had happened. And so they said, what of the slaves? Well, obviously anyone who's born here and subject to our jurisdiction is a citizen. Right? Ah, okay. Which meant from here and back, those people are citizens. I do not believe they intended for it to mean anyone at any point ever who comes here. And as a kid, that kid would be a citizen. And that is the interpretation that I believe Trump is taking. I'm curious your thoughts, Josie, as the scholar of the constitution.
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Josie
So the 14th amendment, it was written by John Brigham, I believe, from Ohio. And his interpretation of subject to the jurisdiction thereof means the complete jurisdiction, not a partial jurisdiction. And a partial jurisdiction would be people who are here temporarily, whether lawfully or unlawfully.
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Tim Pool
But was it descriptive or prescriptive? Was he saying, from this point forward, all people who are born in this country shall be citizens? Or was he saying all of those that are here referring to the slaves who were born here and are subject to our jurisdiction are citizens? Was it both?
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Josie
I would imagine it was both, if it's in the Constitution.
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Tim Pool
I think again, I'll throw it to you, Massey. My interpretation was they were saying, hey, look, the Civil War happened. We don't want insurrectionists in the Senate or in Congress. The president, you know, officers of the government. We want to make sure that the people who are enslaved are citizens. I don't know that I look at that in the history and see that as them saying from this point forward, all people herein after I'm curious before.
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Thomas Massie
I answer that question, I have a question for Conor and Dominic. Do you grant in Poland do you get birthright citizenship and do you get it in Great Britain?
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Dominic Tarchinski
It's not the same as it is in America. When you burn. Yes, but it's much harder to get citizenship that it is in America. I would say you would think differently, but it's not easy.
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Thomas Massie
What about Great Britain?
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Conor Tomlinson
You used to. I think it's until 1984, weirdly enough, the woman currently leading the Conservative Party was an anchor baby. Her mother flew over from Nigeria, had her on the NHS, brought her back and then she emigrated back at 16. Yeah. So she's as British as you and me. It is basically whether or not you get birthright citizenship doesn't really matter. Just because the Home Office is rubber stamping visas and citizenship like it's going out of fashion.
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Thomas Massie
I just wondered. But to put now, now I'll answer your question. It was obviously about slavery. They weren't trying to create birthright citizenship when they, when they did that amendment to the Constitution. And I asked Grok, it was, it was just in a judiciary meeting with Jim Jordan and all the people on the Judiciary Committee an hour before I came over here and we were talking about this question. And so while we're sitting there, I pull up my phone and I ask Grok, when they passed this amendment, did they intend to grant birthright citizenship? And Grok's like, no, this was all about slavery. And, but it has come to, it's evolved into. That is what it's evolved to. But that was not the intent. And I think this is going to go to the Supreme Court. It's going to be one of those five, no more six, three decisions and it's. You miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
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Josie
Yeah. So I actually, I'd never even considered the thought that it couldn't be something that was forward motion. But I have actually in my head for a different part of the 14th Amendment. I think it was the Section 3. Section 3, exactly. Because that creates a constitutional crisis that's saying you can't be an insurrectionist. Our country was built on insurrection. Our country was built, was built. That's, that's why we're here. So the, the, the President, Jefferson Davis, so the President of the Confederacy, he was not, not pardoned. But they just let everything go about him. They're like, we're not going to push forward with any of this because this is going to be a constitutional crisis and same thing. So they, they forgave all the Confederates, you know, and I think that that's the way to.
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Tim Pool
Well, there's a lot of complicated history.
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Josie
No, no judge worth their weight wanted to take these cases because they go against the United States.
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Phil Labonte
I mean the, even though all of the context and history does matter, like even all the arguments that are being made here, none of them, you know, take into account the fact that you can now travel so much faster than you could at and obviously any other point in time point in history. And so, you know, a woman can easily get on a plane or travel by car in two days to go from, you know, any, almost anywhere in South America, drive that's right into the United States and have a baby very easily. So these kind of, you know, the fact that, that now modern travel is so much faster and they actually do it maybe. Yeah, it maybe makes anchor babies actual a considerable problem that actually has to be readdressed because of the fact that, that we, we live in a different time.
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Thomas Massie
Careful, Phil. That's the argument they use against AR15s.
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Tim Pool
Maybe we need to, to help our liberal friends understand why this, this interpretation exists and why Trump is moving in this direction. Maybe we need to create a sci fi film where Hitler's parents visit America as tourists, give birth to baby Hitler, then travel back to German, to Austria, Germany or whatever, I don't know. And, and then as, as the war is coming to its conclusion, he escapes to America where he's an American citizen and runs for president and becomes president. You'd say that's an absurdity. Why would we allow such an evil adversary of this country to be present? Well, he was born here. That makes him a citizen. So as long as he lives here for I think, what is it, 10 years after the fact or something that effect, then then he can be right.
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Phil Labonte
I didn't see.
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Tim Pool
No, that makes no sense.
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Phil Labonte
There's someone in the chat that has, has made a comment. I didn't catch their name, but it caught my eye as it passed by. But it's not lawful for children to profit from parental crimes. So if a parent comes into the United States and violates the law by coming into the United States, how it should be unlawful for them to profit by gaining citizenship by the crime committed by the parent.
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Thomas Massie
Let me also add some other historical context that I may get in trouble for. I'm not advocating for this. Okay, disclaimer. But you had to own property, to vote at that time.
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Tim Pool
And that makes sense.
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Thomas Massie
It was less, it was less of an argument about were you a citizen or not. It was like are you part of this fabric of this region? Do you own property? Do you have a stake in what's going on here?
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Tim Pool
So I'm not exactly. I could add mass.
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Dominic Tarchinski
How did you contribute it?
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Tim Pool
How about. I'm going to ask you this and I'm actually curious what, how it works in Poland. I talked to Vikramaswamy a couple of years ago and we were trying to figure out how you bring responsibility to the vote that you must be, you must be have some civic responsibility. And one of the ideas that we floated, I don't think Vivek is for this idea now, but he floated the idea you must sign up for selective service to get your voter card, men and women. It doesn't mean you'll be drafted. And we haven't used the draft in 50, 60 years. It means that you are willing to be in order to vote. I'm in favor of something like that. I'm curious what you think.
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Thomas Massie
One of my favorite science fiction authors, Robert Heinlein proposed that. Yeah, that you had to have that kind of stake in it.
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Tim Pool
But he also had another guaranteed citizenship.
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Thomas Massie
Yeah, he had another proposal which was if you could solve a quadratic equation inside of the voting booth, your vote matter. And then he said we'll put a twist on this. If you fail to solve the equation after entering the voting booth, you never leave the voting booth. You disappear.
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Tim Pool
If you just. The floor opens up and you go yeah.
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Thomas Massie
And, and he said under this scenario you would have informed educated 12 year old girls who could vote and then you would have adults, their parents who couldn't.
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Tim Pool
Right. But solving a quadratic equation doesn't confer understanding of global affairs, you know. But I'm curious in Poland, how does it, how does it work?
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Dominic Tarchinski
Well, we never had this kind of problems because we are 40 million people now. Most of us had to flee our country during the communism. And you have to remember that when we gained back our, our independence in 1918, we had the Communists after World War II, for 70 years occupying our country. So many people had to leave Poland left to, to us seeking for help because communists basically killed a lot of Polish people. So in 1989 we had partially freedom of free elections. And I would say that the real major democracy would start about, I would say 2005 because like 2001 post communist one, using obviously their money from Russia and using their influence. So in 2005, that was the first government after communism in Poland. Conservative government. So, you know, we never experienced this time because we. The Poland. Because Poland was occupied. And that is the difference between you and us.
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Tim Pool
It's. It's pretty crazy. The area. The area I grew up in Chicago, largely Polish migrants because of the communists.
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Dominic Tarchinski
Most of the. Most of them coming from the country, from the. From the families where one or two members, like grandparents, fought against Germany or against Russia or against communism. During the comments, they had to flee. They had to save their lives. And that is a real. Because there is a difference between migrant and asylum seeker. They were coming to find asylum to save their lives because of the political system in Ukraine.
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Tim Pool
They had what's called, as I was describing to me, wafer cake. Is that something that you guys had in Poland? So what it was is there's no food. And so they would get these thin wafers.
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Dominic Tarchinski
That's right.
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Tim Pool
And they would condense milk and pour it between each wafer because that was the best they could do for some kind of dessert.
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Dominic Tarchinski
And the cheapest.
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Tim Pool
Yeah, and the cheapest.
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Dominic Tarchinski
And you have to remember that during the Communist. I remember communist as a kid. I remember cues to buy shoes, to buy sugar, to buy meat. Well, I spent the whole night to buy shoes. I didn't get them. So that's why that.
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Tim Pool
Here for the new iPhone.
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Dominic Tarchinski
That's my. Yeah, so it's funny now. It wasn't funny for me when I was a kid. Right.
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Josie
Yeah.
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Dominic Tarchinski
So this is the reason why I fight communists around the world in a way I can. This is why I hate communists. That's why I will never, ever stop fighting communism. Because I know what communism is. I experience it. My father, my grandpa, father who fought against communists. As I told you, for all of us, war ended in 1945. My grandpa said, no, no, no, no communists. Russians took over Poland and they are occupying Poland. This is war. He fled to the. To the forest. And he fought against Communists until 1947. Then my father was the one who started Solidarity in my town. Then. Wow. Then, then, then I started law. Studying law to become a prosecutor because. Because I was dreaming to put all the communists to the jail. I found out the many of prosecutors are communists themselves. So I said, okay, I'm going to try to be above them in some ways. I'm going to be a politician. And that's my war. That's my personal word. Because of my family's experience. That's why I think Kamala was a communist. All of them are Communists, not a Democrats because what they did was pure communism. That's why. Thank God President Trump won.
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Tim Pool
Real quick, want to give a shout out to Sid Meier's Civilization to ever play that one. I recommend this for all of your kids to play even even as game as old as Civilization 2 because that's how I learned about the Polish Solidarity movement was in the game. You're building a civilization and if you are bad to your people, you will get unrest in your cities. And the image they use to represent unrest was protesters from the Solidarity movement. Connor, you had something?
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Conor Tomlinson
Yeah, sorry, Josie, I just. A quick comment on the antiquated laws and then I want to throw a grenade on the table. On the antiquated laws in the UK is a perfect example of this. We're a member of the European Court of Human Rights. It's distinct from the European Union. The European Convention on Human Rights was special instituted in 1952 by Winston Churchill. And part of that is the ability to seek asylum in European countries. They had Dutch Jews in mind that had been turned away when they fled Nazi Germany. They didn't have a million North Africans and sub Saharan African men who were doing machete attacks and attacking women in the street. Unfortunately, that law now applies to that so much like Phil said, just the means of transportation. It's also a completely different people ethic, ideology, etc. However, I don't like the talk of civics tests of the idea that you have to solve a quadratic equation in the booth. The idea that a level of intelligence or the ability to rattle off all the articles of the Constitution should qualify you for a vote because that idea premises. It doesn't answer the question of what is an American right. If you just render American as a love of the Constitution and the rule of law and the ability to pay your taxes, the entire world becomes Americans in waiting. And so the question of legal or illegal status is shoved to the wayside. Really. It doesn't solve the question of belonging. It doesn't treat the nation like a family whose constituents cannot just be replaced, chopped and changed. And so the idea that we should have a civics test applied. I don't know what Vivek has in mind. Perhaps rewatching family matters and rooting for Urkel or something. Judging by his. His tweets about American culture, I don't like this sort of. This sort of talk because it. It renders culture completely flat. And so I'm very averse to this idea that we should. Should thin it out to such an.
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Thomas Massie
Extent I think tests are dangerous, too. And Bastiat said the best way to deal with this is just not to have shit for sale at the election. Like, if people are concerned about how large the voting franchise is, he says they wouldn't be fighting to get into the voting franchise if their future and their livelihoods didn't depend on it. And it shouldn't ever be that their livelihoods depend on that. The government should be much smaller than that so that whether you're part of the voting franchise or not matters less.
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Conor Tomlinson
There are wonderful people in rural Appalachia that are not that intelligent, but very virtuous, very hardworking, and they should not have to be clued up on all the minutia of politics just to get by.
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Josie
I believe in skin in the game when it comes to voting, and this was actually my first cancel attempt ever on X, was because I said the 19th Amendment was a mistake and it got people talking. So essentially, was it a mistake? Because for. Well, going back to what Congressman Massie said about how you used to be able to own property to vote, voting was left to the states, and that's why it's not written into our Constitution, you know, saying, this is how voting's going to work, aside from, you know, the electoral count.
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Tim Pool
Quick pause. Just for people who don't know, the 19th Amendment is women's right to vote. Sorry, continue.
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Josie
It sure is. So, so essentially, the. The states were given the power to run their states and vote in their states as. As they saw fit for their states. So even before the Civil War, there were territories, Wyoming and Colorado, that were having women and freed slaves vote in their elections already, because they're like, well, this. This fits us. So this is how we're going to do it in our state. And, you know, for the same reason that we don't have a direct democracy where all the states go or all the states vote and we get this, this, this, this. Oh, my God, I forgot the word. 1.
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Tim Pool
National Popular.
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Josie
National popular. Thank you. National popular vote. It's the same reason we don't have that, because you know, what, what's good for California isn't good for Wyoming, for instance. So doing it this way with the states, this. It might not be great for people who don't own property to vote in a certain state. It might not be great women or men to vote in a certain state. And so it'd be up to their state legislatures to decide what that is, up to the voters to decide what that is. What is the best way to vote in our State. And, and I believe that that's the way it was written into our Constitution. However, once we there, there is now some federal legislation when it comes to who gets to vote in the elections. And there's, there's four amendments. There's 15, 19, 24 and 26. And they all say it is the right of the citizens to vote this way. So that also answers the, you know, who gets to vote in the elections? It was always intended for CIT to be voters in the elections, although just.
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Thomas Massie
I just need to insert this fact that the apportionment of congressional seats and also electoral college votes counts illegal aliens in, in the apportionment. So California has four or five extra electoral votes in the presidential race by virtue of harboring millions of illegal immigrants.
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Josie
Is this something that can be undone on state level?
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Dominic Tarchinski
We know that.
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Tim Pool
Can Trump executive order this?
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Thomas Massie
So Wilbur Ross, who conducts the census, just, he was the secretary of commerce when Trump was president before he tried just to introduce the question of whether you are a citizen or not on the census. And there was so much blowback and I think they gave up the fight. Hopefully, Trump will bring this fight again and at least ask the question and then you, I think Trump should, Governor.
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Josie
DeSantis is trying to do this right now in Florida, but the legislature is refusing to cooperate with him.
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Thomas Massie
Wow.
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Josie
Yes.
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Tim Pool
Well, because it's politically risky. There's going to be, there's going to be Republicans.
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Josie
It's the rhinos that are leading the charge. And because they're worried they're going to lose votes and they're not going to be able to, that was the whole.
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Dominic Tarchinski
Idea to get them in whatever, not.
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Tim Pool
To have IDs, in whatever way Trump can. He should be issuing executive orders on this. It is, it is limited because it's, it's, it's, there's a constitutional question and then it's a legislative question. But I'm sure there's some policy Trump can take that can at least move, smooth out the edges a little bit or something.
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Phil Labonte
The, the last, the last census, I have heard stories of there being significant irregular irregularities in it and that being a massive problem. And also the, you know, that speaks to the importance of the, the census coming up in 2030. First of all, and second of all, the, there was a policy by the Health and Human Services, by hhs, to transport essentially illegal migrants. People that came here and said that they were looking for asylum, but it was anyone that could get here. It was called the Refugee Resettlement Program. Hopefully, the Trump administration will end that, but what they were doing is that that was the program in which they were actually taking people that came and claimed asylum and moving them specifically to places that were purple. Purple states. But in order to get them to, in order to get more votes for, for Democrats.
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Dominic Tarchinski
But you know who the refugee is by the international, by the international law, the refugee is a person who flees from the first. Yeah. Country on conflict to the first safe countries. You're not traveling around the world. So when I'm asked about the refugee, how many refugees Poland have taken, you know, Katie Newman, I said zero. She was out. That was outrage. How can you say that? I'm proud of that.
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Tim Pool
When next time I go visit Spain or France or Germany, just maybe to take in the culture, if people ask me what I'm doing there, I'll just say I'm a refugee.
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Dominic Tarchinski
Yeah. Yeah.
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Conor Tomlinson
And then I'll be paying for the hotel on holiday. Tim.
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Dominic Tarchinski
No, no.
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Conor Tomlinson
What's interesting, I have heard the Trump administration may amend the 1951 Refugee Convention because the phrase in there, it's very similar to AOC's Green New Deal was a refugee. Is anyone unable or unwilling to return to their country of origin? So if you just don't feel like it at the end of the year.
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Dominic Tarchinski
I'm unwilling to pay tax. Taxes. But, but the text, the point of.
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Phil Labonte
Me bringing this up is this is something that was funded by the, the government to basically water down the votes of conservatives and partially to the, the goal was to establish a one party, you know, one party control over the whole country. And that was one of the things that Elon Musk took a lot of flack for, for pointing out that people were coming to the country. They were being, they were being moved around the country by the government, by the Democrats and they were using federal money to do it. So they're using tax money from Republicans to basically water down Republican votes.
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Conor Tomlinson
This is why we actually have such high volume of Indian migration in the uk. So Rishi Sunak, who now lives in your country, by the way, he's in California.
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Tim Pool
He moved there permanently.
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Conor Tomlinson
He's going to move over permanently. Yeah. So you know, he just cut and run. I suppose he called a election because he wanted to get his kids into a nice school by the next term. Early he wrote a paper in 2014, something like the Changing Faces of Britain and he noted that Indians voted a larger propensity than other ethnic minorities for Conservative parties. And so he said, he did an interview with Qatari funded media Al Jazeera and he said oh, the politicians over there pointing to the Houses of Parliament might want to take note of that. And it just so happens when you had an Indian Home Secretary in Priti Patel and an Indian Prime Minister who cooed out the previous two, Rishi Sunak, we got a million Indians in four years. I wonder why that happened.
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Tim Pool
You know, to me, it seems fairly logical. Trump ends birthright citizenship. We had Ro Khanna here the other day, who's a very reasonable man. I'm actually curious, before I go into this, what your thoughts are on Rep. Ro Khanna. You think found him very reasonable.
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Thomas Massie
I appreciate that he's an ideologue and not a partisan. Now, a lot of people think those words are synonyms, but they're actually opposites that I've found. And I don't know if Dominic has this experience too, but before I got to Congress, I would hear these words used as pejorative. Oh, he's such an ideologue. Or he's such a partisan. What a partisan is, is they vote with their party every day. They don't even need to read the bills. They get the whip report on which way to vote that day. But. And it's hard for me to work across the aisle with a partisan by definition. But if you can find an ideologue on the other side of the aisle who happens to be a Democrat, occasionally your views agree, like on the issues of foreign intervention. Ro Khanna and I would agree.
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Tim Pool
Now, stop. When we, when we were talking, he's in favor of illegal immigrants being given some. Some form of amnesty or path to citizenship, as you would call it. And I think that exemplifies the issue with mass migration. I describe it with a simple analogy. You live in an apartment with a roommate. Every Friday, you pool your money and you vote for lunch. And it's 50, 50 sometimes, so you gotta compromise. But, you know, often order pizza and wings. One day you wake up and there's a guy sleeping on your couch, and you go, hey, who is this? And your roommate says, ah, that's Jim. He got kicked out. He has nowhere to go. He was being abused, and please let him stay here. And you say, all right, fine, because I'm a nice guy night or two. And next thing that you know, it's Friday and it's time to vote for lunch, and he's not putting any money in, but you say, I want pizza and wings again. And your roommate says, nah, we're gonna get chicken salad sandwich. And then Jim says, yeah, chicken salad sandwich. And you say, hey, you haven't been paying into our food. And he says, yeah, but two against one, what are you gonna do about it?
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Dominic Tarchinski
Yeah.
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Tim Pool
And then you don't get your lunch anymore, and you say, okay, I guess it's okay. I don't need to eat pizza. But one piece of what you are familiar with, what you wanted, has been taken away. But here's where it gets worse. Next day, you wake up, there's another guy sleeping on the couch, and you say, whoa, I didn't agree to this. And then your roommate and Jim both vote, no, no, he can stay. Two against one. Now it's three against one, then four against one with mass. So I'm not saying this to make it sound like I'm against immigration. I like O1. I think getting brain drain. All these things are good, but it's got to be legal. It's got to be limited. We can't sacrifice the interests of the next generation for people who don't live in this country.
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Dominic Tarchinski
Simple.
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Tim Pool
But there's a mathematical equation here that's very simply and logical. Very simple and logical. There is a number by which, if you bring in non Americans into this country and give them residency, not even citizenship, their cultural values will outweigh the cultural values of those that have lived here. And it's not a race thing. As Tucker Carlson said, the interest of black Americans are the exact same as the interests of Americans. The concern is people who are not American. So if I wake up and I have a. What I describe as Christmas morning, we have pumpkin pie, we have warm apple pie, we have baseball. Where I grew up in Chicago, we have black people, we have Latinos, we had Asians who all loved Christmas and apple pie. And we grew up sharing in the same culture. But if you have, at a very short moment, a mass influx of people from all parts of the world, then you get cultural dilution. And at a certain point, the things you love and believe in, the traditions you care about and your laws are diluted and weighed down by the interests of people who don't share them with you. So if we. If we follow on the path of. Of the Biden administration continuously, eventually the country will be not just unrecognizable but ungovernable in a bad. In a very bad way.
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Dominic Tarchinski
Well, it's the same when you're going to Saudi Arabia in your bikini. Yeah, good luck, you see? And it's the same when you. I don't know, you're going to India and then try and eat a burger, for example.
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Tim Pool
Right.
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Dominic Tarchinski
Like, really, you Know, well, here's, here's, here's a raw meat and you want this really bloody burger.
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Tim Pool
And you know, here's an, here's an example. Well, I'll throw on on top. I went to Egypt and the Hilton's breakfast, they had American Continental breakfast. The bacon was actually beef. It was because you can't have pork.
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Dominic Tarchinski
Yeah.
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Tim Pool
But there was a story in the United States where an Indian man went to Taco Bell and he ordered a burrito and he said, no beef. They gave him beef and he bit it and chewed it and swallowed and then realized he had eaten beef, which was sacrilege. And he sued and he. And he won a good sum. This is an old story from a couple decades ago. That's interesting. How would this Taco Bell of worker known that he was condemning a man to hell or whatever? Because he accidentally put the ground beef that they sell at this restaurant. And that just. I'm not saying anybody was right or wrong. I'm just saying the cultural differences lead to these kinds of conflicts.
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Dominic Tarchinski
So in Europe, because of the leftism, this situation went so far. Then in schools, kids are not allowed. Christian kids are not allowed to have sandwiches with the meat at all, if all beef. But if you want to have a nice piggy sandwich, you're not allowed because you might offend someone. I had this discussion with the lady. I'm. I'm at the airport very often in Brussels and she was telling me about her kids. She can't. They. They can't have a. Sandwiches with, with ham. They can't bring the. She cannot make a sandwich because someone might be offended. Can you believe that?
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Tim Pool
That's an absurdity.
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Dominic Tarchinski
That's reality in European Union. And this is what we do not want in Poland. We don't have it. And we're going to protect our culture. We're going to fight for it. Because I love my ham and I love my sausage.
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Tim Pool
America couldn't live without bacon.
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Josie
Can I issue a correction on what I've been thinking about since I said it? Women in Wyoming actually got the right to vote slightly after the Civil War. But my point is that it wasn't 1919. They didn't state story. I just wanted to issue that.
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Tim Pool
And I think the important thing about the 19th Amendment was that the reason why it was a mistake. I'll pause so that the left and the feminists can take this clip. The 19th Amendment was a mistake. Okay, now that we got that out of the way, I'll clarify what I really mean by that. Actually, I have no problem with women voting. I'm not saying that women should not be able to vote. I'm saying that the reason people opposed the suffrage movement, including many women, was because voting came with civic responsibility. Like the fire brigade and the anti suffragettes. That's what they were called, right?
- [96:11]
Josie
Yes.
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Tim Pool
They were saying, I don't want to be compelled to serve in fire brigade. That's men's work. I don't need to vote. And ultimately, there was a compromise where they said, we'll pass the amendment. Women will receive no civic responsibility, but they will receive civic benefit. And I'm not exaggerating when I say that that's not me slighting women. That was actually the compromise made by the Congress and the states at the time was that they were not going to impose civic responsibility on women, but they would grant them the right to vote. I believe right now there must be an answer to the draft question, as it is an absolute violation of, in my view, many our rights in general, but also the 1964 Civil Rights act, the idea that only men are required to sign up for selective service, but women are entitled to all rights and privileges without the responsibilities. So right now, this would impose, I believe, an unjust requirement on men that is not on women. So you have one of two options. Something's wrong with the 1964 Civil Rights act, or something's wrong with the 19th Amendment. But you got to pick one of.
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Thomas Massie
Them real quick on that issue of commitment to public service. I was talking to my Amish raw milk supplier, and I bring him news, as we do. Yes, I bring him news from the outside. Occasionally they do buy, like, soap and stuff from the outside world. And he was talking about inflation. And they said, well, it was a lot of that's caused by those stimulus checks, But I'm sure you don't know about those. You didn't get those. He's like, oh, no, we got the checks. And I'm like, what'd you do with them? We burned them. And I said, why did you burn them? And he says, you take the check. Before you know it, they send you to war. Because right now they have conscientious objector status, you know, by default. If you're Amish, you don't.
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Tim Pool
We have by us, we have a lot of Amish farms.
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Thomas Massie
But he didn't expect to take the money and then not be obligated to war later on.
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Tim Pool
Right.
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Josie
Smart. I just wanted to weigh in what you said, Tim. So you asked if there was either something wrong with the. The 1964 Civil Rights act, or the draft as it was. The 19 civil, 1964 Civil Rights act was absolutely correct as it said that communists are not people. And this is true.
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Conor Tomlinson
Okay.
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Josie
So it can't possibly be that.
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Tim Pool
So we need to, we need to issue a fact check clarification. She's not joking. It actually says that, it says that something. The effect of this law shall not be construed to provide protections for communist groups or organizations that are communist. That's kind of crazy when you think about it. That's codified. That means that you could assert an ideology and strip yourself of rights in this country.
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Josie
Yeah, and that's, that's been upheld. That's been upheld in New York against teachers. Yeah, there's a, there's a case that it's been upheld. And then somebody can fact check me on this in the.
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Tim Pool
Well, so I mean, in all seriousness, that I, I do think. Well, let me say this first, Democrats are in favor of women being drafted. They, whenever the question has arisen, it's largely been Democrats who have said, we want this. And for equality reasons. Republicans on moral traditionalist reasons say women should not be in combat or in the military.
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Josie
No, women should definitely not be drafted. This is. Once you are sending women to fight your wars, you don't have a country.
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Tim Pool
Draft doesn't mean combat.
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Josie
It doesn't mean combat. But once you're sending women into these positions, forcing women into these positions, the people who carry the babies and carry on the next line of the future, you don't really have a country. What are you fighting for? You're not really fighting for the future of your country when you're sending everybody that makes the babies into war to defend what, the soil?
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Tim Pool
Well, we have a problem right now in this country that has been quite acrimonious in that women are not required to provide equal responsibility. And it's a fact. Women don't have to sign up for selective service. This is unconstitutional. This is a violation of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. So something must be remedied here. I don't know.
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Josie
I think they should just get rid of it altogether. I don't think men or women should be for, should be conscripted or forced to serve in a war that they don't want to fight in.
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Tim Pool
I disagree on that.
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Josie
What's your opinion?
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Tim Pool
Conscription? Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't believe the founding Fathers were intending to be like, we are going to force young men to get on boats, go halfway around the world and go Fight, fight for some resource in some faraway land. UNS heard of, I think the, the intention of conscription. Part of the reason why they removed. There was a sec. A portion and you probably know this, the portion of the second. The original second Amendment which I think was like Article five or something, stated that Article four was it for conscription was. Not that I forgot the exact wording, but there was a phrase that you did not need to serve in the military to have a right to bear arms. And they were concerned that by leaving that in, it could be construed as a. You don't have to be conscripted. And so they said, let's just simplify it. Conscription at the time was if we get invaded and our homeland is being burned down and our lives are destroyed, we are going to bring young men to come and fight with us. What it's turned into is we have a peacekeeping operation in Vietnam where we faked an attack on one of our vessels to generate public support for. And now you are hereby forced against your will to go fight it. So there's a difference in what it means to be drafted, in what the corrupt issue was versus what it really is. My view is if any adversary of these United States started storming the beaches of the United States, I gotta be honest, if the Democrats were in power as we saw with the establishment, I'd tell them to screw off. And I look to my family. But in a purest sense, assuming there's no corruption in government, if someone attacks our country, I would respond with what can I do? Tell me where to stand. I will help.
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Josie
It's hard because men, young men who are, you know, primarily military age men in our country, they don't love our country. And I mean, I honestly don't blame them. The way that they're treated and blame.
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Tim Pool
Tick tock.
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Josie
Yeah, it's TikTok. So the way that, the way that they're treated, you know, men are demoralized. They're. They're not taken for jobs that they are qualified for. They. They're not as educated as the left would say as others because they might go into a trade or something. You know, they're, they're just very demoral. And so they just, they're like, what is the point? We don't love our country. You know, I'm never going to get married. I don't know if I want kids. Like, they're just, they're ruined by porn, they're ruined by TikTok, they're ruined by all of these outer. All this shit coming in. So why on earth would they want to. To to die for this country, A country that does this to them?
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Thomas Massie
I don't.
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Tim Pool
So we have this tweet and wokeness tweeted. The State Department issues a one flag policy. American flags can be flown. Nothing else. I don't, I don't, I don't know if that's confirmed or not. The Department of State just said today the Deputy Secretary of State Sherman and senior officials raised the progress. Prideful. Raise them the progress. Yeah. Oh, this is old. Yeah. So this, this video is old. I wonder if there's. There's another source to this. But outside of that we're gonna go to super chats. So if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button? Share the show with everyone you know and become a member by going to timcast.com I implore you my friends. First of all, you support all of the work we do. Members are what make this happen. You'll notice we don't do a lot of ad reads like every other podcast. We, we're. We are planning on implementing maybe at the beginning of the show as we do sometimes and around the 9:30 mark Eastern Time, maybe a couple of ads because, well, we got to pay the bills. But we've largely held off on this because you as members are a better means in my opinion of making a good legitimate show for everybody with less interruptions. But I will say this. We're not going to have the members only show as we normally do tonight because of. We're currently in D.C. in a special, special space. But we do have an amazing uncensored green room episode with our friend Dominic over here, Member of European Parliament.
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Dominic Tarchinski
Thank you for having me.
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Tim Pool
It was incredible, the story you told about Russia and the Soviet Union and communism and the conversation was really fancy.
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Dominic Tarchinski
I hate them. I must say that by their actions you have to pay the consequences. They have to converse.
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Tim Pool
So Russia has to convert so it is uncensored. I'll put it that way. And I recommend you check that out because you will also be supporting the show. But what were your super chats now? So we have Schlit who asks Rhett Massey, when can we repeal the Hughes amendment?
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Phil Labonte
Yes.
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Tim Pool
Can you explain what it is?
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Thomas Massie
I think he's Talking about the 1985amendment to the bill that ostensibly was supposed to be a good bill to allow interstate transport and firearms. Yeah. And at the last second by voice vote, like I wished I had been here. I would have been that dude. Like I object. But at the last second, they added this amendment that said there'll be no more fully automatic firearms that can come into civilian possession.
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Tim Pool
That is terrible.
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Thomas Massie
It is terrible. I would. And by the way, these. These guns are not used in crimes. Haven't been used in crimes. I may have a few of them. May have had them before the boating accident. Who knows? It should be repealed every. I mean, what's not clear about the Second Amendment. Shall not be infringed. Shall not be infringed.
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Tim Pool
And it's been infringed every step of the way.
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Phil Labonte
The NFA is an infringement.
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Dominic Tarchinski
The.
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Phil Labonte
The Sportsman's Protection Act. The Hughes Amendment to the Sportsman's Protection act is a. Is an infringement. The 1930. There was a 1934. I forgot the name of the bill.
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Thomas Massie
National Firearms Act.
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Phil Labonte
Yeah, the National Firearms Act. That. I mean, all of these. These are infringed. The existence of the ATF is an infringement. I mean, we have an FBI, right? So the FBI can handle what the ATF does. We don't need an atf. There's a bill that's. That's in. Floating around Congress. I'm sure you're familiar with it, to abolish the atf. And I would love to see more congressmen get on board with that and get that to Donald Trump's desk.
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Tim Pool
Jacob Pauli says, let's go. Populist Republican Libertarian Coalition. God, I'm so invigorated. We keep winning. It feels so good. I'm crying. Wow. Mr. Tarchinsky, you must be prime minister or president of Poland.
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Dominic Tarchinski
One day.
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Tim Pool
One day.
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Dominic Tarchinski
My plan is to run in 10 years. In America is a different way of talking about it.
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Tim Pool
Yeah.
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Phil Labonte
Nobody wants to admit it.
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Tim Pool
Right, right.
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Dominic Tarchinski
I already admitted I want to run in 10 years for president.
- [106:31]
Tim Pool
So we. We have a bunch of laws here to where as soon as you announce candidacy, there's like a bunch of restrictions.
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Thomas Massie
Yeah.
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Tim Pool
So everyone just says we're exploring.
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Dominic Tarchinski
No, no, I can say what my dreams are. Come on. You're not going to restrict my dreams.
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Thomas Massie
Yeah.
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Dominic Tarchinski
I want to be a president. I'm going to do whatever I can to become one one day. That's it. I want to do it in 10 years, so.
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Tim Pool
Right on. All right. Free men die free, says the federal judge slash prosecutor in Ross's case. Openly stated. They wanted to make an example out of him because he is a libertarian and his sentence was how they did, so. Wow.
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Josie
Terrifying.
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Tim Pool
Yep.
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Conor Tomlinson
Well, they've done the same thing after the riots in London. It's funny, there are currently People in prison for Facebook and X posts about the perpetrator of the Southport massacre. The murderer, Axel Rudipcona. Not a Welshman, turns out second generation Rwandan migrant, possibly an Islamic convert, if of, you know, possession of Al Qaeda manual and praying at a mosque in prisoner to be believed. There are people that said a Muslim did this during the summer riots. And I believe his name's Wayne O'Rourke. Is currently in prison, I think, for three years for a Facebook post. That's actually more time than some of the perpetrators of the rape gangs who are currently out of prison.
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Tim Pool
What happened to the uk?
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Conor Tomlinson
Tony Blair.
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Dominic Tarchinski
That's what happened.
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Conor Tomlinson
That's the short answer.
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Tim Pool
Oh, geez. All right, all right. Gregor's. I cannot pronounce your name. I'm sorry. He says, gotta say nine, if not ten out of ten, Dominic's last name. Pronunciation, Tim. Impressive. Are you ready to try mine? Yeah, I definitely can.
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Dominic Tarchinski
Dominic is good enough. Dominic.
- [108:08]
Tim Pool
I. What if I always try to get the pronunciations correct? So before the show I said tarzinski.
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Dominic Tarchinski
Very good pronunciation. It's not easy to find me on social media because of my surname, but it would be very nice if you'll find me on Twitter and Instagram. Dominic Tarzinski Tachinsky. Yeah. T, A, R, C, Z, Y. Yeah.
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Tim Pool
So Gregor's last name is B, R, Z, E, C, Z, Y, S, C, Z, Y, K, I, E, W, I, C, Z. Bless you.
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Dominic Tarchinski
Bless you. I love Polish language. It's. It's not easy.
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Tim Pool
Yeah. Growing up where I did, I had a lot of friends who were Polish. And so their names, you know, sc S Z, C Z's.
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Dominic Tarchinski
And. That's right.
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Conor Tomlinson
Yes.
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Tim Pool
A lot of that stuff. And it is fascinating that it wasn't until I had left that I actually learned why so many Polish people lived in my neighborhood. And it's kind of crazy that I didn't realize it until I was an adult. I was like, hey, wait a minute. My friends fled. The. Fled communism.
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Dominic Tarchinski
That's right.
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Tim Pool
They were little kids and that was going on. Their parents.
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Dominic Tarchinski
That's right.
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Tim Pool
Had to flee.
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Dominic Tarchinski
And we had this fight for years. That's why I really want you to come to Poland with your cameras and we would do a great journey on the streets and interview on the streets of Warsaw, Krakow and other beautiful places. You will see the difference, the differences, because what I say. Poland is the safest country in Europe. The lowest unemployment, the. The least number of rapes, the highest gbt. After Covid, all this you have to see.
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Tim Pool
Was it. Was it Hard to get out of the country during the Soviet, Soviet era.
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Dominic Tarchinski
Very hard.
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Tim Pool
What. What would happen if you said, hey, we're gonna leave? Like, how would you have.
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Dominic Tarchinski
They would shoot you.
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Thomas Massie
Wow.
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Dominic Tarchinski
Yeah, they would, they would kill you. Like we, like, like Berlin Wall, right? You try to cross and you're killed. That's communists. That's what they do. They kill you. So if they cannot kill you, they kill your family.
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Tim Pool
Nobody, nobody was trying to flee from West Germany into East Germany.
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Dominic Tarchinski
That's. That's the question I keep asking communist leftists and, and Democrats, so called Democrats. And I keep asking many of those who hate Christians, if you hate Christian countries and Christians, why are you here?
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Tim Pool
And then what we see in the United States is that where I live, for instance, there are people who live, who work in the Washington, D.C. area, who then move to West Virginia where the laws are better and you can defend yourself, but then they vote for policies that reflect where they're trying to stay away from, from. And so this is true largely for immigration as well. There's a viral video. After Assad's government fell and he fled to Russia, there were people in the. I believe it was in the UK being asked, now that there's like some guy walking around, he was like, now that now that Syria is free, will you go home? And they go, well, my brother, my.
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Conor Tomlinson
Brother, the economy not so good now.
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Tim Pool
I saw that video. It was about something else. Right, okay, let's grab some more subjects. Ted Thornton says, better that 10 guilty people go free than even one innocent person suffer, yet they will continue to hold them regardless of their innocence. And the reason why Blackstone's formulation was so important that Benjamin Franklin increased it by an order of magnitude, saying 100 guilty persons escape, is that in a society where the implication is, even if you are innocent, we will imprison you. There is no incentive to be innocent. There's only an incentive to be cutthroat and fight for yourself. And so I believe Otto von Bismarck famously said, it is better that 10 innocent people suffer than one guilty person escape. The problem with that ideology is it eventually collapses as everyone begins just betraying everybody out of fear. The stories I've heard from the Soviet Union, a friend told me that there were two apartments, this was in Kiev, and the neighbors got into a fight over something mundane, but neighbors fight. So one of the neighbors called the police and said, I overheard, you know, my neighbor saying communism was bad. The next day when they woke up, their apartment was completely empty, and the person was never seen from Again, of.
- [112:12]
Dominic Tarchinski
Course, the food stamps is our reality. That was our reality. We had a food stamps. I remember it. If you wanted to buy a sugar, you could buy a pack of sugar once a month. Then they took you food stamp and then you've got another stamp and you, you buy pork, like, I don't know, half a kilo or whatever.
- [112:32]
Tim Pool
Was it, was it Tim?
- [112:33]
Thomas Massie
Tim, in the United States, we call that a homeowners association.
- [112:38]
Dominic Tarchinski
Well, but it wasn't funny to us. It wasn't funny at all. It was really hard. So if someone is trying to ask me about leftism, leftist ideology, any good social way of thinking and supporting those poor and equal rights in the way that everyone is equal, and all this, and all this, I'm trying to tell them about my story, the story of Europe.
- [113:05]
Tim Pool
Yeah.
- [113:06]
Dominic Tarchinski
Behind the Iron Curtain. You, you would never understand how hard it is when you lose everything, even your dignity.
- [113:15]
Tim Pool
Michael, Michael Malice talks about this. He says, people in this country genuinely do not understand how bad it could get, how bad possible, how possibly bad it could be.
- [113:26]
Dominic Tarchinski
Okay, so I'll tell you, and it's real. First of all, you are losing your nails. Then they are taking out your teeth, your eyes, they cut your ears. They waiting and then they shoot you if you like. That's what they did.
- [113:45]
Tim Pool
When you speak ill of their regime.
- [113:47]
Dominic Tarchinski
When you, that's, that's, that's what happened with the soldiers, like my grandpa, father. After 1945, when Soviets, when Russians took over, this is what they did to hundreds of thousands of Polish people. Right. Well, there's, so if we are talking about communists not being humans, human, do not behave like this.
- [114:08]
Thomas Massie
You know, I think, I think that's part of the reason Trump won this election. People saw what they were doing to him. Political prosecution, weaponization.
- [114:16]
Dominic Tarchinski
That's right.
- [114:16]
Thomas Massie
Court system.
- [114:17]
Dominic Tarchinski
That's right.
- [114:17]
Thomas Massie
And they said, if they can do.
- [114:18]
Dominic Tarchinski
That, it's a modern form of communism.
- [114:20]
Thomas Massie
We are next tyranny.
- [114:22]
Phil Labonte
It might be, it might be, it might be more mild here because of the, the, the culture here, but it doesn't mean that it couldn't get to exactly what we're talking about.
- [114:30]
Dominic Tarchinski
That's why that, that is why always, always. America first.
- [114:33]
Josie
Yes.
- [114:33]
Dominic Tarchinski
Poland first. Great Britain first. We are responsible for our homes. This is our homeland and we have to fight for it. Not getting, you know, crazy with all these ideologies coming from the left. Like they says, this is, this, this migration is enrichment for our society. So I said to them, okay, take them. Take them all and pay for them.
- [114:59]
Conor Tomlinson
Isn't it strange.
- [115:00]
Dominic Tarchinski
You're gonna be rich.
- [115:01]
Tim Pool
Let's. Let's grab this one from the torn. He says Rep. Thomas Massie is so based that quote based was afraid to ask for his permission to represent him. Congress sure can use more people just like him.
- [115:14]
Thomas Massie
Bravo. I would take two more if you could just send me a couple more.
- [115:19]
Phil Labonte
Could we get a few dozen? I mean, there's 435 of you guys.
- [115:23]
Thomas Massie
Well, so.
- [115:23]
Tim Pool
So who do you. Are there any members of Congress that you would shout out as doing good.
- [115:27]
Thomas Massie
Work in the battles that are coming up? I'm going to give Victoria Spartz a shout out. She grew up in Soviet Union, Ukraine, and she can see what Dominique sees. She's like, you're not too far away from that with the oligarchs. They're running the healthcare systems, for instance. She's like, this is like, you have.
- [115:46]
Dominic Tarchinski
To be very vigilant. You have to be very careful.
- [115:48]
Josie
The minute the left started accusing the incoming administration of being oligarchs, my eye perked up and I'm like, okay, well, accuse your enemy of that which you are doing. I'm like, where are their oligarchs? Oh, it's everywhere. It's the healthcare, it's in, it's in the food, it's in the sugar, it's in big tech, it's everywhere.
- [116:03]
Tim Pool
There was a to be a little bit cliche for all of you. I'm gonna tell you a story, and it's an Occupy Wall street one. But I think one of the best stories I have probably from Occupy, was there were two young college age socialists arguing with a police officer who was in his 50s, and he was telling them how his family fled communism, he was a child during communism, and how devastating it was. The torture, the murder, the kidnappings, the fear of waking up in the middle of the night, someone banging on your door. And these young people are arguing with this guy who literally in his life had fled communism. So this is 2011, and so it was not even that long ago. This guy was a young man when he had fled. And I think the most profound thing about this story was this man who was explaining how he fled communism and they were wrong, was morbidly obese. Talk about a major shift in coming to this country. And with all due respect, I mean, he had more food than he could ever dream of. So these young people, they don't want to listen, they don't quite understand. But it was really interesting to hear him tell that to these people. Another funny thing that happened was there was a table where socialists were giving out literature. And at Occupy, I asked them, I said one of the issues that the occupiers were having was that they only have so much food to give out. And so there are people at the park who are doing things like cleaning up and helping organize. And the problem is once they're done cleaning, by the time they finish their work, they go to the kitchen and the food's gone. So how can we ensure that those who are actually contributing to the movement are receiving food not as compensation, but because they need to eat to survive? And this woman said, maybe there's some kind of work certificate or piece of paper they could give out that represents the work you do. And I said, so like we could give pieces of paper that represent the labor and so we can hand those in for things like food and clothing. Right. And I was like, like money. And she got, she got particularly upset.
- [118:10]
Dominic Tarchinski
That's why, that's why I'm trying to, when I'm invited to do like podcasts or to give a talk or whatever, I'm trying to be everywhere around the world to tell people about the communism, how it really is. Because I'm the living example of, of this fight in, in my family. And people think that communism is something in the books, in the history. It's not. It's still present around the world.
- [118:36]
Tim Pool
Yeah.
- [118:37]
Dominic Tarchinski
And you, you still have to fight it.
- [118:39]
Phil Labonte
It's in my mansions every day.
- [118:40]
Dominic Tarchinski
That's right. I'm serious.
- [118:42]
Tim Pool
Let's grab this from the text vet. He says I work for a Fortune 500 fintech as a strategic director. H1B is not used for the best. They're hired specifically to undercut Americans. Same as offshoring. It's offshoring, but bringing them here instead of having them remote.
- [118:56]
Conor Tomlinson
There are lots of Indian companies that game the visa lottery and make people pay just. And they get imported over to depressed wages.
- [119:03]
Tim Pool
Ro Khanna the other day had me ready to stand up and clap for him when he said leftists got. I'm paraphrasing here, but he said leftists got it wrong in this assumption that, that globalization was going to bring people of all races into this democratic system where we all hold hands and everyone prospers. And all it actually did was hollow out the working class and hurt middle class and working class Americans. And I was like, wow, coming from a Democrat. And he said, this is my issue. That the American workers being left behind by these policies that the left brought that were wrong.
- [119:38]
Josie
Luke's in the chat and he said, yo, that's my dad.
- [119:43]
Tim Pool
Yep. Yeah, Luke is very excited. Luke Rudkowski, for everybody who doesn't know of we are change was born in, in Poland, which it was called the Soviet satellite, I believe it wasn't.
- [119:55]
Dominic Tarchinski
That's right. Never been officially part of Soviet Union, but in fact it was occupied and all the decisions were made in Moscow, just those who betrayed Poland. They, they were the, the soldiers of, of Moscow. It's so important because they had children, grandchildren and their grandchildren are in Polish politics now. I am the grandson of the underground army officer who fought against communists, sitting in the same parliament with the grandson of the communist officer who was taking out the thief and taking down the nails. I know this man and I see him every day on the corridor.
- [120:40]
Tim Pool
People, people need to understand.
- [120:42]
Dominic Tarchinski
I mean that is why every time when someone is inviting me to give a talk, I'm open to do it. Whenever someone is asking me to do the podcast I'm. I'm trying to do because that, because I know now I'm not that old yet. I still remember time, the world without Internet and cell phone and I remember communism. This is so precious. This experience has to be given away.
- [121:06]
Tim Pool
Everybody, I suggest you head over to timcast.com and click join us. Become a member to watch the uncensored Green Room episode we recorded before the show. And I will stress uncensored. You should definitely, definitely check it out and you'll also get access to the Discord server. Hang out with like minded individuals. We will be here once again tomorrow. So we're not going to have the typical members only shows as we do them live because they're time constraints. So smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know. You can follow me on X and Instagram at Tim Cast. Dominic, do you want to shout anything out?
- [121:37]
Dominic Tarchinski
No, just find me on on Twitter and Instagram. Let's stay in contact. It's not easy to pronounce my surname but you will find it. I'm very happy to, to. To give away my time and talk about, you know, what we have in front of us. Not only about history but about the future as well. It's very important. Thank you very much team for. For having me. It's very important for me. It's very personal. It's not my job only it's not my post that I am the member of the European Parliament. I do believe what I say and I do believe that this is about future of our children and grandchildren.
- [122:12]
Thomas Massie
Massey, just real quick, you know there was a Question about the Hughes amendment. I do think there's a possibility of making progress on the Second Amendment in this Trump administration. We could get rid of the tax and registration on suppressors, which are basically hearing protection. I'm about to introduce a national constitutional carry bill which basically says it doesn't matter which state you live in, you still have the Second Amendment right to carry a firearm without asking the government's permission. So there, there are some bright things in the future. And people, if you look for my hashtag sassy with Massey, you'll find some of my more acidic stuff.
- [122:51]
Phil Labonte
It's not acidic. It's wonderful.
- [122:54]
Conor Tomlinson
Yeah. Speaking of people with Spew vitriol on Twitter, you can find me at Con on X. You can find the rest of my work at Courage Media, New culture forum and lotuseaters.com and I'm Josie.
- [123:07]
Josie
I'm the redheaded libertarian. You can find me on X at TRHL. Official. I just wanted to read this $100 super chat because I thought that was really nice. Said shout out to Thomas Massie. Josie. Polish dude.
- [123:18]
Dominic Tarchinski
Polish dude. My name is Dominic. Dominic Tartrins.
- [123:23]
Josie
Yes. And it goes go America. America first. My civic duty isn't to die for any foreign nation. And that was sent by eg. Thank you, eg.
- [123:31]
Phil Labonte
I am Phil. That remains on Twix. I'm filled. That remains official on Instagram. The band is all that remains. New record drops January 31st. It's called Anti Fragile. You can go check out four singles, Forever Cold, Let you go, no Tomorrow and Divine. They're available on YouTube, Amazon Music, Apple Music, Spotify, Pandora and Deezer. And don't forget, the left lane is for crime.
- [123:51]
Ian Crossland
I was going to scream across the room. Thanks, Tim. Tim gave me his camera. I'm Ian Crossland. You follow me everywhere, but really follow all these guys, man.
- [123:58]
Tim Pool
Great, great.
- [123:59]
Dominic Tarchinski
Thank you. Thank you.
- [124:00]
Tim Pool
Tomorrow. Tomorrow is going to be amazing. We don't normally announce guests, but we got some good friends that are joining us. So the reason why we don't usually announce guests is because when someone's schedule changes, these things happen. We don't want to impugn their honor, but we expect Angela McArdle and Matt Walsh. So we're really excited that they'll be joining us here in dc. It's going to be a really great conversation considering we have this tremendous string of victories as Donald Trump is keeping his promises. So, again, thank you all so much for hanging out. Go to timcast.com watch those uncensored green rooms. We have one from yesterday as well. And we'll have another one tomorrow. And we will see you all next time.
- [124:36]
Dominic Tarchinski
Thank you very.
- [124:39]
Tim Pool
Sa.