Trump SLAMS China With NEW 100% Tariff, Stocks & Crypto TUMBLE w/ Nick Sortor & Alex Rosen

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Timcast IRL – "Trump SLAMS China With NEW 100% Tariff, Stocks & Crypto TUMBLE"

Date: October 11, 2025
Guests: Nick Sortor (guest host, independent reporter), Alex Rosen (Predator Poachers), Ian Crossland, Tate Brown, Phil Labonte
Main Theme:
This episode explores the breaking news of Donald Trump’s announcement of a new 100% tariff on China, its market impact, ongoing economic and technological transitions, political violence and polarization in America, and the broader cultural and political climate as 2025 heads toward the next election.

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Main Theme & Purpose

The podcast dives deep into Trump's bombshell 100% tariff on Chinese goods, the immediate tumble in stocks and crypto, and what this signals for the US, China, and world markets. The panel examines the larger cycles of trade, nationalism, and economic policy, weaving in broader discussions on the role of technology, the shifting labor force, internet-fueled activism, AI, and America’s deepening political and cultural divides.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Trump’s 100% Tariff on China: Economic and Political Fallout

• Announcement and Market Reaction

  • Trump announced a 100% tariff on China, reportedly in response to China’s aggressive export controls effective November 1, 2025.
  • Immediate market reaction: S&P dropped 2.7%, Nasdaq 3.8%, Bitcoin fell 6-7% (05:14).
  • Nick Sorter sees this volatility as a buying opportunity:

    "After watching this, Wall Street tumbles to its worst day since April after Trump threatens more tariffs on China ... it's a great buying opportunity in my opinion."
    – Nick Sorter, [04:43]

• Is Trump Serious? Or a Negotiating Tactic?

  • Alex Rosen and Phil Labonte argue Trump's trade threats are cyclical and tactical rather than aimed at genuine prolonged tariffs.

  • Rosen:

    "I don't think there's actually going to be tariffs on China. And if there is, not going to last too long. Every couple months he just likes to threaten it. He likes to drop the market … people buy it up, then it goes back up."
    – Alex Rosen, [05:14]

  • Phil Labonte:

    "The stock market has been hitting all-time highs. So if it dips a little bit ... people shouldn't be worried. It's just a little bit of a correction."
    – Phil Labonte, [07:03]

• Context: US Inflation, National Debt, & Global Economies

  • Ian Crossland warns about US debt reaching $37 trillion and the risks of losing economic growth:

    "If we don't increase the value of our GDP ... there will be a hyperinflation like Weimar Germany."
    – Ian Crossland, [08:57]

  • Phil Labonte links continued growth, not just tariffs, to economic stability and managing debt:

    "As long as you've got growth in the economy, our economy is big enough ... $37 trillion can be handled."
    – Phil Labonte, [09:54]

  • Conversation turns to AI, automation, and energy tech as ways to boost GDP and out-compete China.

• China’s Countermoves: Rare Earth Minerals & Critical Exports

  • China is increasing export controls on rare earth minerals, seen as a countermeasure.
  • Trump’s full statement is read (11:31), promising tariffs plus US export controls on “critical software.”

• Will Reshoring Work? Tariffs vs. Automation

  • The panel debates the reality of bringing manufacturing back to America.

    • Phil:

      "I don't think that it's realistic to think that there's going to be massive onshoring of jobs that have left. I think automation is going to cover that within the next five years."
      [14:57]

    • Tate:

      "When these jobs are reshoring, they are going to red states: South Carolina, Tennessee ... it's going to be new technologies that are going to drive our manufacturing base."
      [16:24]

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2. The Rise of Automation & AI – Economics and Society

• Humanoid Robots and The Future of Labor

  • Robots like Figure, capable of household chores, are now functional and close to commercial availability (19:14).

  • Phil envisions financing household robots with banks, treating them like collateral similar to cars (15:44).

  • Concerns about the timeline for robotic replacement of service and trade roles, with hardware rapidly advancing.

  • On trades & AI:

    • Will AI threaten HVAC/electrician work?
    • Phil:

      "Within 10 years they’ll do anything a human can do. They're making humanoid shapes because we live in a human-shaped world."
      [21:03]

• Ethics: Sex, Robots, and Social Risks

  • Discussion escalates to AI and robotic “outlets” for criminal behavior, notably pedophilia.
  • Alex Rosen firmly rejects the idea that child sex robots would prevent crimes:

    "I do believe in thought crimes when it comes to pedophilia because anybody that will do it on a robo has that thought, will do it on a kid."
    [23:07]

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3. Predator Poaching and Law Enforcement Challenges

• Alex Rosen’s Work Exposing Child Predators

  • Describes his stings, frequent arrests, and frustrations with lack of law enforcement action – especially in blue, "Soros DA" districts (27:22).

  • Many police are cooperative, but some refuse to arrest, citing lack of authority or concern about prosecution.

  • Nick Sorter praises Rosen’s work:

    "You do great work, man. I'm a big fan… binge watched you the other day on YouTube."
    [28:10]

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4. Geopolitics: Qatari Pilots in Idaho & Globalization Myths

• Fox News’ Misleading Report on Qatari Air Base

  • Fox headline said "Pentagon approves Qatari airbase in Idaho” – panel corrects it's only a training program for Qatari pilots, not a Qatari-controlled base (30:27).

  • Ian:

    "Fox wildly mishandled this reporting... It's just a building on the base.”
    [32:04]

• Qatar, Israel, and Middle East Alliances

  • Discussion on Qatar’s unique, mediator status in the Gulf, and America’s global military partnerships.
  • Concern within US about “Muslim takeover” via pilot training debunked as red meat for “panic-Ins” on the right.

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5. Political Violence, Assassinations & Media Reaction

• Charlie Kirk Assassination: Media and Left Response

  • Discussion of Trevor Noah making jokes about the murder:

    "The guy was shot while defending guns ... as a human, you have to admit that is an incongruous funny thing that happens.”
    – Ian Crossland, [39:27]

  • Theories swirl about the real motive; was it a leftist, or did Kirk’s criticisms of Israel make him a target? Alex:

    “I think he was starting to turn on Israel ... if he started to turn against Israel, the average normie would be so against it ... that's why he was taken out."
    [41:20]

  • Panel ultimately leans toward the narrative that the accused trans shooter, Tyler Robinson, was the likely perpetrator, but notes the reaction from the left – celebrating death – as much more disturbing.

  • Tate Brown on leftist celebration:

    “It really does feel like ... people are anxious to let the left off the hook here. … There seems to be this tendency … to just want to let the left off the hook.”
    [45:26]

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6. Antifa, Political Violence, & Government Response

• Strategy Against Violent Groups

  • Phil Labonte urges legal but forceful action against Antifa and connected groups, starting with the funding sources:

    "We need an all angles strategy ... as much pressure as the federal government can on Antifa and the connected groups, all these NGOs..."
    [48:36]

  • Ian Crossland raises caution about escalation, referencing historical fascist crackdowns producing backlash.

  • Panel debates what constitutes “legal” use of force, and whether the government could (or could not) use military action on domestic groups.

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7. Democratic Party Shift: The AOC Effect & Internal Dynamics

• AOC as the Face and Energy of the Democratic Party

  • Far-left wing dominates the energy and fundraising, with even establishment leaders courting AOC for access to younger voters.

    "If you primary the leader of the Democrats and you win, people are gonna be like, all right, well, it looks like she's in charge now."
    – Phil Labonte, [65:37]

  • Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, and Clyburn all treat AOC as a crucial bridge to rising activist energy in their coalition.

  • This dynamic is compared to the Iranian revolution empowering radicals.

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8. Shutdowns, Government Layoffs, and Corporate Power

• Federal Government Shutdown: Who Gets Fired?

  • Real layoffs announced – Commerce, Education, Energy, HHS, HUD, Homeland Security, Treasury (74:22).
  • Panel welcomes the downsizing, argues most bureaucrats “won’t form a rogue government” (75:14).
  • Jokes about layoffs resulting in a proliferation of failed government employee podcasts (76:09).
  • Downsides considered: some could be swept into corporatism, or (more far-fetched) a “shadow government.”
  • Phil:

    "If you actually are able to dismantle [the liberal economic order], you're going to make unemployment. You have to fire these people. If you want the government to shrink ... you are going to make unemployment..."
    [76:57]

• Corporatocracy vs. Capitalism

  • Debate over whether society is experiencing "unfettered capitalism" or regulatory corporatism, with tensions between federal power, mega-corporations, and labor.

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9. AI Deepfakes, Disinformation, & Legal Gray Areas

• The SORA/AI Disinformation Explosion

  • Widespread concern about deepfakes, especially in sowing confusion during elections or about major events (96:17):

    “We are, like, six weeks away from total immersion ... I'm at the point now where I don't know the difference.”
    – Ian Crossland, [101:00]

• AI Used in Predator Stings, Legal & Ethical Dilemmas

  • Rosen uses AI-generated decoy photos, which are effective in catching predators.
  • Discussion on legality of “AI child porn.” The panel supports criminalizing AI child imagery based on intent and risk:

    “If they're caught watching that ... that's very unlikely that's the only thing they've ever done pertaining to children.”
    – Alex Rosen, [104:26]

  • Expands into how criminal law must adapt to new tech.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with timestamps)

• On Trump’s Tariffs:

  "Every couple months he just likes to threaten it. He likes to drop the market ... people buy it up, then it goes back up."
  — Alex Rosen, [05:14]

• On Political Realignment:

  "Democrats were the pro tariff party and the Republicans were the anti tariff party ... you've had this reorientation just under Trump."
  — Tate Brown, [13:57]

• On Automation:

  "...I just saw a video today ... we're a year or two away from humanoid robots being available in homes to do things like do your dishes and fold your laundry."
  — Phil Labonte, [15:16]

• On America’s Debt:

  "...as long as you've got growth in the economy, our economy is big enough ... $37 trillion can be handled."
  — Phil Labonte, [09:54]

• On Political Assassinations:

  "Their reaction to it, celebrating like freaking banshees that he died ... I knew they wanted all of us dead ... but I think a lot of normies need to realize that the left, I think, does want a lot of us dead."
  — Alex Rosen, [46:02]

• On Antifa’s Actual Existence:

  "It's so ridiculous to say that ... you can literally go to Rose City Antifa's website ... denying it is just insulting to everybody's intelligence.”
  — Phil Labonte, [86:59]

• On Deepfakes & AI:

  “People can do that now ... we're, like, six weeks away from total immersion ... I don't know the difference.”
  — Ian Crossland, [101:00]

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Important Timestamps

• 02:23: Panel introductions; Nick Sortor takes over as guest host.
• 04:43: Opening of Trump tariff/market discussion.
• 07:38: Panel reads Trump's social media statement on China tariffs.
• 13:57: Tate Brown on party realignment around tariffs.
• 15:16: On humanoid robots and the future of labor.
• 23:07: AI/robotics and the ethics of using robots to satisfy criminal urges.
• 27:22: Deep-blue “Soros DA” districts fail to prosecute pedophile stings.
• 30:27: Qatar fighter jet story, panel fact-checks Fox News.
• 39:27: Comedic reaction to Charlie Kirk’s assassination.
• 46:02: Rosen: Left celebrates political murder.
• 48:36: Labonte calls for full legal crackdown on Antifa.
• 65:37: AOC’s dominance in Democratic Party dynamics.
• 74:22: Government layoffs, shutdown impacts.
• 96:17: Deepfakes, AI, and the coming wave of disinformation.
• 104:26: Legal-ethical debate over AI-created child porn.

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Tone & Language

The tone is energetic, irreverent, and combative, typical for Timcast IRL. Speakers use direct, sometimes provocative language, blending humor and hyperbole with serious geopolitical and social commentary.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Show

This episode offers a whirlwind tour through the chaos of a new trade war, an accelerating tech revolution, and a society on edge about political violence and social transformation. The panelists challenge narratives in real time, often clashing, but always breaking down current events with a street-level skepticism you won’t hear in mainstream media. Expect candid speculation, inside stories, and debate on everything from the mechanics of AI to the future of the two-party system—and how these seismic shifts shape the world you live in.

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Transcript

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Welcome to Tim Cast IRL on this Friday night. I am your guest host Nick Sorter. Today live from the Tim Cast studio and not a Portland jail cell. Luckily not my fault there already just letting everybody know. So I'm an independent reporter, spent a lot of time covering government corruption and cover ups and riots and disasters and I really appreciate the the offer to be here today and so just wanted to jump before we jump into the stories here talk about Caspre coffee. Lots of new options here. This is what been what's been keeping me going all day. Hasn't been a lot of sleep over the past 10 days here. Lots of new options here. Hazelnut the Alex Stein I you know I don't know how great Alex Stein tastes but I'm sure the coffee tastes better than he does. Two times the caffeine that Makes total sense, actually, for Alex Stein. You can get that in K cups, grounds or beans, actually. And then you have on Saturday, which is next Saturday, October 18th, the Culture War Live podcast in Washington, D.C. i have been there before. The place fills up fast. So make sure you get your tickets here soon. Got Brian Shapiro, Emily Wilson, Tim Pool, Alex Stein, Myron Gaines, dating in the modern age. And just based on this panel, I have a feeling they're probably going to stray from the topic just a little bit. But you guys can make your own inference on that. But we have an awesome guest here tonight. I was really excited when I heard that he was going to be the guest, Alex Rosen of the Predator Poachers. Alex, welcome to the show. Tell us a little bit about.

[Alex Rosen]

Thank you all for having me for the second time. It's been two years. We are here in at the Tim Cast Studios, the new one. And it's a pleasure to be here. And yeah, I'm very excited.

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[Ian Crossland]

Hey, man. Ian Crossland in the house. I've been doing this for a long time. Happy to be here. Started making Internet videos in 2006. I see the power of Internet video, the way it can scale outward. So let's scale tonight. Tate Brown in the house.

[Tate Brown]

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[Phil Labonte]

Hello, everybody. My name is Phil labonte. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band all that Remains. I'm an anti communist and a counter revolutionary. Let's get into it.

[Nick Sorter]

All right. Great panel tonight. Love it. These are great guys. And you know, the first one, biggest story of the day, we were talking a lot about this before and I actually decided I was going to buy a bunch of bitcoin before the show started. After watching this, Wall street tumbles to its worst day since April after Trump threatens more tariffs on China. I know bitcoin is also down about what, 6 or 7%? And it's a great buying opportunity in my opinion. You don't have to take that advice, but that's just me. Alex, are the panic ins just panicking again? Is that what's going on here?

[Alex Rosen]

Well, you know, I think Trump has a very obvious playbook with all of this stuff. I don't think there's actually going to be tariffs on China. And if there is not going to last too long, it's very obvious that every couple months he just likes to threaten it. He likes to drop the market. I mean, the smart people following this I think are very lucky. I mean, this is a great buying opportunity. I certainly bought some today. And yeah, every couple months he kind of announces something, everything drops, people buy it up, then it goes back up. And it's kind of just a cycle that I think is going to go on for the next three years. So I'm excited about it. I don't think there's going to be any terrorists on China.

[Nick Sorter]

Yeah, well, it seems like the S and P sank 2.7% and the Nasdaq's down 3.6%. Because I believe what Trump said was he was going to create, add another hundred percent of tariffs on top of China. But I don't know, I mean, Phil, I know you guys, you've had this argument a lot like are the tariffs working? Has the strategy worked? Were the experts wrong about the situation?

[Phil Labonte]

So it's my opinion that the, because there hasn't been a significant increase in prices, prices have gone up a little bit, but there's still some inflation in the economy. I think largely the tariffs have worked mostly, I guess, if I, if I understand correctly, not that I'm an economist, but mostly it's been essentially a return to zero because of the difference between the dollar and other currencies. Again, I'm not an economist, so don't quote me. I could be wrong, but it does seem like for the most part there haven't been, there hasn't been the significant increase in prices. Anytime there's big negative news, which, you know, Donald Trump talking about 100% tariff on China, that would be received as big negative news. There are people that are gonna be day traders or whatever, they're gonna sell some. But you said it was a 2% dip, was the overall dip on that?

[Nick Sorter]

Well, it depends on the Nasdaq. Nasdaq had 3.8%.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I mean you're talking about a few percent. And to be honest with you, from in my. Yeah, so you're talking about a handful of percent. And like right now, like the stock market has been hitting all time highs every couple days. So if it dips a little bit, if this is not the end of the world, people shouldn't be, people shouldn't be worried. It's just a little bit of a correction. And to be honest with you, I wouldn't be surprised if come Monday there's even more of a correction. But again, that's not a reason to sell all your stocks and, you know, light your hair on fire. This is, it's at all time highs. There's a small correction and it's possible.

[Nick Sorter]

That there's, that's the time to buy, man. I mean, you need that little correction every once in a while. But Trump actually brought this up in the Oval Office today.

[Phil Labonte]

Besides, software could be on the table.

[Ian Crossland]

In terms of export controls. A lot more.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, you have.

[Ian Crossland]

Yes, I mean you have a lot more. We have airplanes, we have airplane parts. You remember that from last time. And we were just surprised at China. I have a very good relationship with President Xi and they did that. This is not something that I, you know, instigated.

[Phil Labonte]

This was just a response to something that they did. And they didn't really aim it at us.

[Ian Crossland]

They aimed it at the whole world. The whole world is, is subject to it.

[Zoe]

So I thought it was very, very bad.

[Ian Crossland]

But we have many things, including a big thing is airplane.

[Phil Labonte]

They have a lot of Boeing planes.

[Zoe]

And they need parts and lots of things like that.

[Ian Crossland]

So he's talking about China announcing, I think it was today or yesterday that they're going to be increasing their outgoing costs on rare earth minerals.

[Nick Sorter]

Correct.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, that's, I guess, what a terror what you get with a tariff or. I've noticed my coconut water that I normally buy at 30 bucks is like 40 and that Olipops went from $21.

[Phil Labonte]

To $28 probably because of inflation, though, not because of a tariff.

[Ian Crossland]

It was a huge jolt, though. It was a real extreme 30% increase in cost. And it was just on those two products, I've noticed so far. But the one was like a week ago, the coconut water or two weeks ago and the Olipop was about four months ago.

[Phil Labonte]

Are they made in China?

[Tate Brown]

I don't know.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't know if the metals or if there's some shipping involved in the tariffing. I mean, the economy cannot grow forever. I don't think economies ever have grown forever. They go and they go and they go until they fall apart. And with the US inflation now at 37 trillion, I posted today, I think you mean what's going to happen if, what's that? The national debt? Yeah, the national debt at 37.5 trillion or something and counting that we're. What will happen if we don't increase the value of our GDP is that there will be a hyperinflation like Weimar Germany saw and that people left holding the cryptocurrency will be the ones with actual value and everybody, it'll become like a debt slave society.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, you make like let, let the speculators sweat. I mean if they can't handle a structural reset where Trump's trying to rug pull cheap foreign labor, that's on them. This is why he dubbed the term panic and cause, yeah, the Wall street debt pyramid can't handle these structural resets and it's like, so be it. I'd say let him panic.

[Phil Labonte]

And a lot of your point about the growth, Right. That's what's kept inflation in check for the past 15 or so years or since 2008 when they had went down to 0% interest rates after the housing bubble is the fact that there was growth. Every time there was threat of a reset in the stock market, basically the Fed would talk about raising interest rates, stock market would react and then they'd go ahead and they wouldn't raise interest rates and then the stock market would continue to grow. As long as you've got growth in the economy, the our economy is big enough where to be honest with you, $37 trillion can be handled. It's too much and they need to do something about the spending. But it's not going to be an existential crisis. But if we don't have that growth, if they don't have pro American, pro growth policies, then you have serious problems with the economy.

[Ian Crossland]

There's, you can get growth. You can either literally increase the value of the things that you're making or you can reduce the cost that it requires to get those things made. And so AI is going to basically subvert slave labor. We're not going to, we're going to be able to compete with Chinese slave labor, with the automization of sectors of our economy. And then obviously I harp on the fuel, like we can reinvigorate our fuel economy by introducing hydrogen and petroleum hybrid states. And then you can get the hydrogen at like, I don't know, a 50th of the cost of petroleum. So that would then reduce the cost going in and then therefore the GDP would be higher. That would be another way to. It's still say 37 trillion on paper, but the value of the dollar would be worth so much more because it could buy so much more because things are so much cheaper that it wouldn't really matter. The number itself doesn't really matter. It's more about the ratio. Yeah.

[Nick Sorter]

So I want to read this truth for some context here, just because I'd rather Read it from what Trump is saying rather than read it from what AP says Trump says. So it has just been learned that China has taken an extraordinarily aggressive position on trade in sending an extremely hostile letter to the world stating that they were going to, effective November 1st, impose large scale export controls on virtually every product they make and some not even made by them. This affects all countries without exception, and was obviously a plan devised by them years ago. It is absolutely unheard of international trade and a moral disgrace in dealing with other nations based on the fact that China has taken this unprecedented position and speaking only for the USA and not other nations who were similarly threatened. Starting November 1, 2025, or sooner, depending on any further actions or changes taken by China, the United States of America will oppose a tariff of 100% on China over and above any tariff that they are currently paying. Also on November 1, we will impose export controls on any and all critical software. It is impossible to believe that China would have taken such an action, but they have and the rest is history. Thank you for your attention to this matter, President Donald J. Trump of the United States of America. Ian, a lot of these things that President Trump, you know, back in his first term, he put tariffs on China, right, which were widely criticized by the Democrats, but Joe Biden came into office and then kept those tariffs, right? So, I mean, it seems like they're, seems like they're working. I mean, I don't know how high that number can possibly get. You know, you think Trump keeps up with this? You think he actually follows through with this? Or do you think he backs down?

[Ian Crossland]

He might do it. I don't know if he'll keep it held, though. The Chinese are ultimately our potentially greatest trade partner, whether you agree with their government style or not. And I think they want Taiwan and they're going to wait for the United States to migrate its chip production offshore back onto the mainland so that there's no war when they take it from us. But this pressure that is built through economic tariffing, I was going to call it economic disaster. It's just, it's like big dick swinging like they, they got, that's what they got. You know, they don't want to fight, so they're, they're pushing each other's economy around. It's tough to say whether it'll stick or not. I can't, I can't take another 34% increase in the coconut water that I'm buying.

[Nick Sorter]

I tell you that all the humanity, yeah, it's horrible.

[Phil Labonte]

No one feels Bad for you.

[Ian Crossland]

I need to get healthy, man. Don't make it hard, Don.

[Phil Labonte]

So no one, at some point they'll.

[Ian Crossland]

Be, they'll come back down. I just don't know.

[Phil Labonte]

There's no guarantee they're coming back down.

[Tate Brown]

It's a new paradigm in the second term. I mean, it's really funny, first of all, to outline that for the longest time the Democrats were the pro tariff party and the Republicans were the anti tariff party. So you've had this reorientation just under Trump where now the Democrats are like all of a sudden these like, free market absolutists and the Republican Party is like, hey, tariffs. Trump called himself tariff man, famously. And even between the first term and the second term is a massive difference. Like the first term, I think it was Larry Kudlow is like his economic adviser, huge booster. And he was like, look, whatever you want about Trump, whatever you like about Trump, one thing you have to admit is he like brings in this rock star economy. And what he was referring to was the GDP constantly going up. Well, now Trump's kind of taking this new posh in the second term of like, hey, reshoring, reshoring. Manufacturing is actually going to take like a tariff regime. There's just no way around it. So these GDP must go up. People are like panicking because they're like, wait, wait, no, we were promised this rock star economy. And what they mean by that is GDP goes up. Whether that means mass immigration has to be part of this implementation. If free trade, no tariffs as part of that. And it's like Trump's like, no, America first. And you're going to have to implement some of these policies to get that done.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't think that it's realistic to think that there's going to be massive onshoring of, of jobs that have left. Right. I don't think that, I don't think that's, that's. I don't think that. I think that Trump is aware of that as well. And as for the need for immigration to cover those jobs, I think automation is going to cover that within the next five years.

[Ian Crossland]

If you.

[Phil Labonte]

I just saw a video today from. I forget the company, but we're a year or two away from humanoid robots being available in homes to do things like do your dishes and fold your laundry. Yeah. Like, they're, they're probably available. There's companies that's putting them out right now, but I think it's only a couple years before the average family is like, oh, $24,000. So $4,000 down and $500 a month or 48 months and then I don't have to do laundry or the dishes ever again.

[Ian Crossland]

Hell yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't need a second car. We need a robot. You know, because that's really what will happen is it'll be, you know, the banks will love it because they'll finance that. The thing is an actual physical product in the world. So it's not like a student loan where, you know, there or credit card stuff where there's nothing, you know, there's nothing to. That's considered collateral. So you could repo the robot. In fact, to be honest with you, if you want the robot back, they could probably just send message to the wi fi and the robot just walks the hell out of your house, you know, to repo it. So that kind of stuff is, is in the cards in the very near future. And I think that, that the productivity that we need to handle the debt that, and hopefully bring it down some is totally realistic in a. Without mass immigration.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, well, no, you're totally right too, is like, unfortunately, I think we need to kind of maybe not give up, but kind of get a bit more realistic. Like, hey, we're not going to get these manufacturing jobs back in like Dearborn or Flint. Like that's just not going to happen. But when these jobs are reshoring, they are going to red states, they're going to South Carolina, they're going to Tennessee, Alabama, these sorts of things. And so it's like, okay, reshoring is not going to look like this revitalization of all these rust belt towns like we initially maybe hoped or wanted to. But these jobs still will come back. And then like you were saying, it's going to be new technologies really that are going to drive sort of the retooling of our manufacturing base because we are like, you know, heavily dependent on services. And if we want to compete with China, you know, you're going to actually have to start building stuff in the United States and we're going to have to embrace a lot of these new technologies.

[Ian Crossland]

You can actually the way they figured out at Rice University how to create the graphene by electrically electrocuting carbon. They get the hydrogen gas, they get this graphene bulk graphene powder. You can put it into the bitumen and the roads, and the roads last like six times longer. So not only are you reducing the cost of upkeeping the roads, you're producing a better quality product. So it's these kinds of re industrializations. I mean the carbon industry, the Way you can turn coal and oil into graphene and use it for computational machinery. You can use it for lighter than steel buildings, stronger than steel buildings. It really is. We're prepped. A lot of times you'll see countries that are, you would consider third world, when they finally get to the main stage, they just adopt whatever technology is right now. They don't go through the process of like, well let's get the horse and buggy and then let's develop an automobile. They just go right to solar panels and like wi fi. And so we're about to see re industrialization along those lines of just modern AI optimization. And it'll probably happen within like 15 years.

[Unidentified Guest]

Yeah, you see companies like Foxconn and stuff in China that have just totally. I think they, they got rid of like 60,000 jobs to have like AI robots replace them essentially. Like the robots are going to be doing all the work. And like that's. I think that's a good thing because now we don't have a slave labor going on with like these suicide nets to catch people that are tired of doing this insane monotonous job. So it's going to change. Like you said, you're, what you're talking about is like a rebuilding essentially of like usually have like a war and you rebuild from scratch here. What we're going to be doing is revitalizing, like you said, building like the US has the means, the ability to revitalize things like our roads. We have the need to like our roads, our bridges, all of our public works and stuff like that. With this new concrete that you're talking about, with the ability to even put solar and all these things in places where you maybe need it. Like we were in Phoenix the other day. Put. Putting solar on all those roofs would be something that we should be doing. Not, not like relying on energy generation via hydroelectric power in the desert. That's crazy. So I think you're right. I think that's what people are also missing about this too is that like it's. Everything's going to shift in a different way. It's not going to be like the jobs are just, they're missing. Like you said, we already rely on service in this economy. There's just going to have to be a re. Imagination. It's going to have to happen sooner than later because it's going to be affecting the entire world at large.

[Phil Labonte]

If you want. I just tagged you on X with a, you know, comment underneath the post of the. It's basically figure is the company and it shows, goes through the robots just sitting there. It's, it's figure underscore robot on X. If you want to find a search. And it goes through, you know, a demonstration you put on his page. I just tweeted at him. So it's. I didn't put it on his page.

[Nick Sorter]

Go to Phil's page and it replies okay.

[Phil Labonte]

But yeah, I mean it goes through. I mean the robot is currently doing things like, you know, unloading the dishwasher, folding your clothes, taking care of the, the groceries and stuff like that right there.

[Ian Crossland]

Cleaning the cat's litter box. Probably don't have to get near that toxoplasmosis.

[Tate Brown]

This one?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, that's the one. Chunk half to like halfway through you. So you see the. Okay, you know, it's all like checked out.

[Unidentified Guest]

Oh, look at that guy.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, but I mean it's now. This is functional now. Like this isn't in the future. This is something that's possible now. And people that, that say, oh, you know, this is still a long way away. Remember your Tesla that can drive? That's AI. And the technology that this is built on is based on things like the ability to navigate intersections with, you know, serious with a bunch of cars coming. I mean, my Tesla has no problem doing rotaries. Most people I know get stumped at a rotary and my Tesla can handle it perfectly fine.

[Nick Sorter]

Yeah, and one of the things that people would always say is, is that trades are, you know, gonna be safe from AI, like, you know, H vac technicians, electricians and stuff. I mean, you look at this, you know, Phil, do you think that, you know, this is a real threat in the near future to jobs like that?

[Phil Labonte]

Maybe. And the reason I say maybe is because I don't know how dexterous these things are going to be and how.

[Nick Sorter]

That'S one of those difficult parts is making the hands.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, and, and look, I mean these things can learn anything from a download, right? So they'll know how to do that stuff. I imagine they might be an assistant with a, with a human watching over them at first, but I think within the next 10 years they can, they'll be able to do anything that a human can do. Remember? And the, and the reason why they're making them, you know, humanoid is because we live in a humanoid, a human shaped world, Right. Everything that we design is built for us. So maybe you don't have an electric car that, that has AI in it, but you have a regular car. Well, you buy one of those and then you can send it to the grocery store and it'll do it for you. It'll get in your car, drive your car, because it knows how to do everything that all the other AIs know how to do, you know, and that's really the, the difference right now is, is having the, the ability to navigate the world that we live in. But they're making humanoid shapes because we live in a human shaped world and.

[Ian Crossland]

They'Re actually developing magnetic slime robots. I'm looking at it right now, soft robots made of polyvinyl alcohol, borax and neodymium magnet particles. So like you wanted to clean your H Vac, you send the amoeba up in that and it just slimes through there, cleaning every aspect of it for you. And it'll be able to go into your plumbing and like clean out your pipes for you and you'll be able to control it or not. You know, it'll control itself. Depends on the system.

[Nick Sorter]

Yeah. What, what, what did, what was that article that everybody was making fun of that said that that by the year 2025, humans would be, oh, women would.

[Phil Labonte]

Have, be having more sex with robots than with, with, with humans.

[Tate Brown]

We still have two months, we still.

[Nick Sorter]

Do months to be like, we're pretty close now. I'm working. I don't know if I would have sex with that. But you know, to be fair, like.

[Phil Labonte]

Realistically, like the massager is technically a robot, so they probably already are.

[Tate Brown]

I mean, dude. Okay, yeah. Spend a little time alone at the Roomba and see how you feel. You know, things happen. Sometimes things get a little wa. I don't know.

[Ian Crossland]

You know, ethically. Alex, I'll ask you, since you spent a lot of time hunting down, I guess, pedophiles in your life. If you, if, if someone that was, had identified as a pedophile decided, no, I'm going to get a small child like robot and do that. Are you, ethically, are you okay with, with that transition?

[Alex Rosen]

Well, you know, I do believe in thought crimes when it comes to pedophilia because I think anybody that will do it on a robo has that thought, will do it on a kid. Because the thing is with that, it's not really just them getting their rocks off. Specifically, they like the dominance aspect of it. Like they like controlling another human being. So if it's just AI porn or some kid robot, it's just not enough for them and they're always going to go on to the next thing. So I think giving them an inch with any pedophilic tendencies is always Going to lead in a bad direction. I mean, we caught a guy just this past month, Brandon Cren in center, Texas. He came into the sting house. He got naked. He was wearing a furry mask. He was into baby porn. He was in his youngest infants and toddlers. He's trading it around very, very into child molestation. And he had a little. He had a little sex doll that was like infant size. Like, I guess kid size, not infant sized. So it wasn't enough to satiate himself. He got in a two hour uber ride and came into the sting house and is now gonna spend probably the next couple decades in prison.

[Phil Labonte]

So thank goodness.

[Alex Rosen]

Yeah. So, no, there's no. With those people, it's a whole different thing. And I think I. I think giving it to incels as well, just giving adult sexual to them, I don't know if that'll satiate them either. I think a human. I think human connection, there's nothing that can replace that.

[Nick Sorter]

Yeah. Well, we'll get into this next story here in a second, but I do want to mention the fact that, you know, you're here for, not just for the show, but you were here making a catch, weren't you?

[Alex Rosen]

Yeah. Earlier today, we're in Augusta county, Virginia. We got a sex offender arrested named Jasper Morris, who's currently has 28 years over his head on a suspended sentence for very similar crime. So he violated probation today, obviously, and got charged with six felonies for more evidence. And he's going to go to prison for I estimate probably over 30 years this time around.

[Phil Labonte]

So some people, like, we talk about.

[Ian Crossland]

Pornography, people think of it as like an out. Some people might think of it as outlet. Other people might think of it as just making the problem worse, like sexual deviancy worse. Do you have a take on porn and what it does to the human?

[Phil Labonte]

Kind of just gave it.

[Alex Rosen]

Well, dude.

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[Alex Rosen]

Data 1H2025 visit t mobile.com I think it is worse because I don't know if more child molestation goes down per capita as it did back then. It probably does. But you know, with the Internet now, it gives pedo. It gives pedophiles a 24. 7 window to offend versus back in the day. You know, you're shunned, you're like, I have these feelings, maybe I should hold it down, maybe I shouldn't do this. But with the Internet, you're two clicks away from finding a forum of all these people who agree with you, of all these people who also want to do the same thing. So it normalizes it for you and makes it okay in their mind. So I think pornography is a horrible path towards that. And if it was up to me, I'd ban it all.

[Nick Sorter]

Yeah. So had this conversation, or at least I have over the past 10 days, about police departments and their willingness to arrest people and not arrest people and such. Like, what's your experience been dealing with some of these police departments? I mean, I feel like maybe the FBI and local sheriff's departments and stuff should be handling a lot of the work that you're doing, but they're not. Why is that?

[Alex Rosen]

Well, you know, there's just, I would say a lot of them are doing it. It's just there's so many pedophiles that we've done hundreds of these over the past six years and maybe 10 of them have had a concurrent police investigation with it with the cops already being on them. So there's just too many of them. But yeah, you know, and the cops have to worry about a lot of other shenanigans from a lot of other people nowadays too. So it sucks. But I wish, I wish there was more money into this or more time into this, but. But there's not.

[Nick Sorter]

Yeah, but in these deep blue districts, say these, if you're going into districts with like Soros, das and such, are you have problems actually getting these people prosecuted?

[Alex Rosen]

Oh, 100%. You know, we have two arrests in my home county of Harris county, where Houston is. And that's all Soros out. You know, we had a guy in Houston, Luke Boland, a couple years ago, and he was willing to drive to Amarillo, Texas, which is a red area, nice, nine hours away in the panhandle. And I'm like, all right, screw it, I live in Amarillo. So instead of getting him 30 minutes from my house, I got him nine hours away from home just to get him prosecuted. He's doing five years right now in Texas.

[Phil Labonte]

So.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Nick Sorter]

So typically when you call the police over, this is very interesting because it's. You do great work, man. I'm just, just, just letting you know I'm a big fan of the stuff that you do. I actually binge watched you the other day on YouTube, which is interesting. But so, but some of these times you can have the raw evidence in front of you.

[Alex Rosen]

Yeah.

[Nick Sorter]

And you show the cops and they still won't make the arrest.

[Alex Rosen]

Oh, it's bad. It's baffling. I don't know what it is with sex crimes and cops ego sometimes. Like, if I had evidence of a guy robbing a store and I camera admitting that he robbed the store, the cops will be like, you know, that's God's work, son. We're gonna give you an award for this. But when it comes to like pedophilia, some cops are like, no, no, no, you're not law enforcement. You can't take this evidence. So I don't understand it. But most cops are good? I'd say so.

[Nick Sorter]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's, it's, it's typically ends up being the, the DA's that are the problem. I mean, some of these cops just won't make arrest because they don't think that they can actually, you know, get any, get the person prosecuted.

[Alex Rosen]

Yeah, there's a lot of problem DAs in the country for sure.

[Nick Sorter]

But, but why not the. Like, that's, that's one of the things that I've wondered for the longest time. What's, what is stopping police departments from. Dude, you are like constantly catching people everywhere. It's a non stop business.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Nick Sorter]

So what are they doing wrong? Has anybody ever asked you for help? Any police department come to you and been like, hey, can you help us?

[Alex Rosen]

There's been a few, but it's been, it's been mostly smaller counties. Like earlier this year, Crowley County, Colorado, you know, we did it. We did a guy there. God, I forgot his name. He was actually. God, I forgot that idiot's name. But Basically he was kind of plugged to us to go investigate and within a few days he ends up, he ends up meeting for sex in Ordway, Colorado with who he thinks a 13 year old girl because there's been, there's been accusations on him before. So, you know, they accepted our help pretty willingly. Shout out to Crowley County, Colorado, very small county though, but any really big cities. They have not reached out to us for help.

[Nick Sorter]

No, very public things should be done to these people. But anyway, we'll move on for the time being to the next story of the day. Pentagon agrees to host Qatari F15 fighter jets and pilots at Idaho air base. And there have been some meltdowns over this today, that is for sure. Secretary of War Pete Hegg said that on Friday that the Pentagon has agreed to host a new Qatari Air Force facility in Idaho, saying that the nation has played a quote, core part in securing the Gaza peace deal. Now there have been some people online that have said that possibly the Qataris are going to come to this air base and use F15s to bomb us or carry out some sort of terrorist attack or whatever. You know, is that. Ian, what do you think? Is that, is that likely? Is that ridiculous?

[Ian Crossland]

I, it's a quite a jump to assume that that would be the outcome, but I think Hegseth came out and tweeted that it's not a Qatari military base. So it's very confusing the way Fox reported it saying that it's going to be. They didn't specifically say a Qatari military base, but maybe.

[Nick Sorter]

Well actually, actually Fox did. They said Pentagon approves new Qatari air base in Idaho which is very misleading because that's not at all what this is. So do we have that tweet up? Yes, we do actually. Perfect.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Nick Sorter]

So Pete Hag says saying the US Military has a long standing partnership with Qatar, including today's announced cooperation with F15QA aircraft. However, to be clear, Qatar will not have their own base in the United States nor anything like a base. We control the existing base like we do with all partners and I believe this has been done with about 70 other countries at this point. So this isn't weird.

[Unidentified Guest]

I went to high, I went to high school in the same area near Mountain Home Air Base and we had the Singaporean armed forces there playing like with their planes as well. It's happened with other countries before. I think it's happened with Germany, etc. Other companies that we have other countries we have a relationship with. So it's not like an unprecedented thing. I think, just because it's Qatar and they're like, everyone has these other accusations about Qatar right now, that it's a big story.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Nick Sorter]

And they just bought these planes from us as well.

[Ian Crossland]

This is how you globalize. This is how the liberal economic order is attempting to globalize. It's by fortifying relations between countries in the Middle east, countries anywhere on Earth, and then giving them a piece of the pie by giving them some space in the United States to operate. So, you know, we're sort of tied now. If one of our countries gets hit, we both get hit.

[Phil Labonte]

If I understand correctly, this is only for the. For. For training, though. For training. Because they're buying the F15s and they're bringing their people over here. They get training here and then the F15s and the people will go back to Qatar.

[Ian Crossland]

I gotta say, then Fox wildly mishandled this reporting because I only read just the early parts of that story, but it seemed like they were blatantly saying that Qatar is setting up a military base in Idaho. I'd love to get some nuance. And to what exactly is it? Is it just going to be an American base that's just a facility?

[Nick Sorter]

It's not even that. It's just a building on the base. That's it. So that. Because. So that they can train the Qatari pilots on these F15s. Why Fox did it this way, and they didn't even update their story, which is a little bit concerning here, because it's. Even from the beginning, this. This was taken wildly out of context. If you just listen to what Pete Hegseth said, he clearly didn't say that they were putting a Qatari air base in Idaho.

[Ian Crossland]

So what's the Qatar connection here? Because I been hearing a lot about it. Someone said Tucker Katarlson. I think Laura Loomer was calling Tucker Tucker, and that stuck with my head. I'm like, ah, I like Tucker.

[Phil Labonte]

But Qatar spends a lot of money trying to influence American politics, so.

[Ian Crossland]

And are they allied with Israel?

[Phil Labonte]

Not particularly.

[Tate Brown]

They're weird. They're kind of mediators between the Shia and Sunni world at the moment.

[Nick Sorter]

Oh, that's. They were the mediators of this peace deal that's unfolding right now in the Middle East.

[Tate Brown]

We're trying to pull the Gulf states into our orbit. So that's what this move is. I mean, this. Like, this isn't handing out influence for free. Like, this is still on our terms, these sorts of things. But Qatar, the Qatar, like, had their own position between the Saudis and the Iranians, they're trying to kind of be that mediator, that middle ground.

[Nick Sorter]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Like, all the countries in the Middle east, they all have their own agendas. And sometimes they're at odds, sometimes they're not. But, like, it's not a situation where, like, the Middle east is just like a blanket kind of opinion because they're in the Middle east and they happen to be all Muslims. Like, you know, there's a lot of different countries with different agendas, and they all work towards their own, you know, towards results that are best for that, best fill those agendas. So.

[Nick Sorter]

And I highly doubt that these, you know, for the people that are saying that Qatar is going to use these F15s on our soil to attack us, these aren't armed F15s. So unless they're gonna be, you know, running them into things, then I'm not really sure what that attack vector is.

[Phil Labonte]

It's like the people that were like, Jade Helm is gonna be the government taking.

[Nick Sorter]

Well, saying that now we're now a Muslim nation, we're now occupied by Muslims. And, you know, there is a problem.

[Tate Brown]

Right.

[Nick Sorter]

I mean, I think Dearborn, Michigan is a pretty good example of that. You know, East Plano, Texas, is becoming an issue. And then Minnesota is now Somalia, a Somali colony. But I'm not sure that this really does anything to further a Muslim takeover in the United States.

[Tate Brown]

I mean, the Saudis have a similar arrangement. Like, I went to high school in San Antonio. They're at Lackland. They have, like, pilot training there. I think there was a shooting in, like, 2019, and it was a Saudi trainee in Pensacola that did it. So it's like. Yeah, this idea that this is, like, unprecedented is just crazy. Like, Singapore has a similar arrangement, I think at the same base in Idaho and Mountain Home. Like, there's. This is like a very normal thing, but since it's Qatar, it's red meat for a lot of people. A lot of panic ins. Unfortunately, there's a lot of these. These folks. But, yeah, this is like, this is not going to usher in Sharia law or anything.

[Nick Sorter]

It's really interesting in the comments section here, which I'm reading as. As we're live, we're being accused both of taking money from Qatar and Israel in the same segment. So this is. We are really raking it in, guys. Way to go.

[Unidentified Guest]

Money.

[Nick Sorter]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Qatar is. I'm not sure if it's Qatar. Qatar, I don't know. I say Qatar. I like how that matters. They were under Ottoman rule till the British took them over in 1916, and then they got independence in 1971. They're under a monarchy at the moment. So it sounds a lot very similar to the Saudi arrangement that we have. We're allied with them because it's geopolitically sound, but not necessarily because we agree with their government style or anything like that. But they obviously have the British influence from last time.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, look at the strikes that took out the Hamas leaders. They struck in Qatar. The Hamas leaders were living in Qatar for a long time. So they don't, like. Like I said, they have their own agendas. They're not like, doing whatever the US Says or not doing whatever the US Says. They have their own, you know, they have agency, they have their own agenda, and they're gonna do things that are best for them.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, I mean, well, they run Al Jazeera, and Al Jazeera was very critical of, obviously, the global war on terror. And they were the mediator. Like, every time Bin Laden would make a statement or something, he would run it through Al Jazeera. And Al Jazeera is the state network of Qatar, like their BBC, effectively.

[Nick Sorter]

It was good.

[Ian Crossland]

That was a good resource. In 2013, Al Jazeera was a great way to find out what was really happening in Syria. So props to them for holding up that opposition media.

[Tate Brown]

I don't think Al Jazeera is even that bad. I'll probably catch flack for that take. It's just they will not be critical of Qatar. Like, during the World cup, they were like, oh, someone fell off the sc. Really weird. Yeah, it must be an idiot.

[Ian Crossland]

What happened with this peace deal. This is another. I don't even know if we're talking about this story tonight. Yesterday, Trump apparently solved the Middle east, and then today, Netanyahu was like, no, we're not done. We're still at war. We're still going to have troops. Did you guys catch any of that?

[Nick Sorter]

No, but didn't the Israeli Knesset vote to approve the peace deal? So is Netanyahu going against that now? Is that what you're saying? See, here's the problem. I focus on the United States. That's the issue that I care about. I don't care about any of this other stuff. I truly don't. I'll let other people take care of it. I mean, I love his shirt over here. It's fantastic. I don't know if anybody's seen it yet here.

[Phil Labonte]

We've had.

[Nick Sorter]

Got you.

[Phil Labonte]

We've had, what, three Israel shows or two Israel shows this week. I don't think that we need another one.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, the war on terror, it's more just a war for geopolitical dominance, like the liberal economic order versus whatever else is left, which is, you know, bricks, which is flailing because the Russians and Chinese aren't, like, that tight. The Indians, obviously are super. They love the United States, apparently, according to Modi, their president. And, like, how do you do it? Do you let Israel be the attack dog and, like, wipe out an area over there so that we have this nasty nuclear, you know, bulwark to then kind of make sure that the Iranians don't go haywire with their Sharia law and nuclear weaponry? Oh, man.

[Tate Brown]

It's just. It's a dance. That Trump is really. I mean, he's. He's a great negotiator. Obviously. This is a dance you have to play. It's like, I don't think. I mean, Qatar has their own agenda. Sure. But they have to play ball with us.

[Phil Labonte]

Sure, yeah, yeah.

[Tate Brown]

And then likewise, we can, you know, maybe sweeten the deal a little bit, because, like, obviously, the Abraham Accords are priority of the Trump administration, and Qatar is the linchpin of that. And so, yeah, I mean, this is a way you can play ball without surrendering sovereignty. And it's a huge departure from Biden, obviously, who would just basically give up influence with no strings attached.

[Nick Sorter]

Well, you know, I thought we were done talking about this stuff, but apparently not, because they haven't learned. Trevor Noah, who really has never been funny. That's why he got fired from the Daily show, coming out and attempting to make jokes now saying that it's funny that Charlie Kirk was shot while defending the Second Amendment. I'll let you guys listen to this and you tell me how funny you think this is.

[Ian Crossland]

Meanwhile, here, comedians are shitting themselves. Don't. Don't say anything about Charlie Kirk. I wasn't gonna say anything about. Yeah, but don't say anything about Charlie. I wasn't gonna say anything about Charlie Kirk, but don't. There's nothing funny about it. Oh, now you tested me. I mean, there's. There's nothing funny. You can't say there's nothing funny about it. No, there's nothing fun.

[Nick Sorter]

No, don't say that, because as a.

[Ian Crossland]

Comedian, I'll be like, I'm sure there's something funny about it. The guy was shot while defending guns.

[Alex Rosen]

Do you understand how I'm not even.

[Ian Crossland]

Writing that as a joke.

[Nick Sorter]

As a human, you have to admit.

[Ian Crossland]

That is an incongruous funny thing that happens. You are there, you're like, on stage, and you're like, let me tell you why people should have guns. Bwah.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Nick Sorter]

I'm failing to find the humor in all of this, Alex. I don't know. I don't know which part of that was funny funny.

[Alex Rosen]

I mean, it's kind of ironic, but I mean, you know, I don't find it that funny. But, you know, I, I. What I find funny is how everybody around Charlie Kirk is acting very weird about the whole thing. I mean, I don't know. Like, I, I guess his friends don't really agree on what happened. Like, Candace Owens saying one thing, all of his friends are saying another thing. And I thought that whole memorial was very strange in Arizona. I found that. I found the pyro weird. Obviously everybody mourns differently. But that's the thing I find funny about people acting funny.

[Nick Sorter]

I mean, I know Charlie freaking love those pyros. I was just being totally honest with you. But I think the. I think one of the issues with that whole thing is out there. I don't think they, and this is just my personal opinion on it. I think you're right. I don't think they agree on the official.

[Alex Rosen]

I mean, I don't think Tyler Robinson killed him. I think whoever, Whoever shot that shot did that on purpose when Charlie was talking about that. But, I mean, I really think, you know, I'm saying this as a Jew man, not like that really holds any more weight, but I really think he was starting to turn on Israel. I mean, you saw Harrison Smith's tweet a few weeks ago before that whole thing happened, saying that Charlie kind of fears for his life and that someone close to him talked about Charlie fearing. Fearing for his life. I mean, I think, I think it's a very real thing. And, you know, I know Charlie didn't really turn against Israel per se, but I think he was definitely on that trajectory. And I, I think, gosh, I think this guy. And you know, the reason they don't kill Nick Fuentes or someone like that is because they already have their niche. That's already what they are. But Charlie Kirk, My mom knows about Charlie Kirk. She's not even that political. My girlfriend's mom knows about Charlie Kirk. He's on every single Boomer screen, in a kitchen table, on their phone, on Facebook. And I think if he started to turn against Israel, the average normie would just be so against it now. And I think, I think that's why he was taken Out. I know I'm kind of deviating from the subject here, but that's my 2 cents on it.

[Ian Crossland]

I. I don't. I don't see the evidence of that. Like him saying he feared for his life is sort of like. You know how many times I. I've hung out with Tim Poole and he's told me he fears for his life. That doesn't. And it would have been a coincidence if something had happened. You'd be like, oh, he was talking about. He's been talking about it for two years, bro. Let it up. He actually felt it for a long time. And Charlie was probably going through something. I just see zero evidence for anything other than that guy Tyler shot him on the roof and then tried to escape with his dad's gun.

[Alex Rosen]

Well, from what I don't understand is he has a 4 foot 1 inch gun with skinny jeans and he's walking up the stairs bending his legs. They say he hit it in his pant leg. Is that, is that like the official story is.

[Ian Crossland]

I know, I thought was disassembled. Did he disassemble it and reassemble it? I don't know.

[Alex Rosen]

I have no clue. It's just. It's just nothing. Nothing really makes sense. And then him. Him not even going to Utah State University. He knows exactly which building to go on. It just seems so, so planned. Like, I don't think he worked alone on it at all. If he is the one that pulled the trigger. Like, I think he certainly had.

[Tate Brown]

Hell, Tyler, Robin, I don't think he definitely didn't work alone. I mean, you had this trans. I mean, you're probably quite familiar with these like trans discord groups, right? And they were saying the day before, like, hey, something big is going to happen tomorrow. Here's a cause for celebration. So I look at that and I look at like, who, who. Who would have more of an incentive to kill Charlie Kirk? Would it be Israel? Because he's like vaguely critical of like Jewish donors? Apparently, Evidently, yeah. Or would it be trans people who like feel directly, you know, threatened by his rhetoric, which is his rhetoric is just like, hey, maybe you shouldn't like castrate yourself.

[Alex Rosen]

Oh, but yeah, no, both have definitely a motive to do it, I think. But what throws me off and that we really haven't had an answer on is that guy George Zan, who is just like the decoy saying, I did it, I did it. I mean, I get it.

[Nick Sorter]

Apparently now he's saying he was paid for the distraction. I don't know if that's true, there's any evidence.

[Alex Rosen]

It's just that is such quick thinking for that guy to just be at that event, have no foreknowledge of it happening. You just see a guy shot, I mean, most people would be so shocked like what the is going on? But he instantly knows. He'll start saying it's me, it's me, it's me. I mean we haven't had an answer on that guy. Then them finding child porn, his phone's ridiculous. But like, I don't know. I, I think, I, I don't think Tyler Robinson and George Zinn knew each other. I don't, I don't think some old 71 year old pedo knows this, a 22 year old tranny. But I think they were working for the same people. So I don't know. I mean, no, no theory makes full sense, but we really haven't had an answer on that guy.

[Tate Brown]

I think like if there were a situation where there was Israeli interests that wanted to take out someone that was reorienting the right in an anti Israel direction, Charlie Kirk would be very far down that list.

[Alex Rosen]

Well, I don't think so, because he is the guy that everybody on the right knows. Like you know, my grandma or my aunt doesn't know about Nick Fuentes, but they know about Charlie Kirk. You know what I'm saying? Everybody knows him. He's like the mainstream conservative.

[Tate Brown]

I understand that. But I'm saying like as far as people that have mainstream appeal and that are tastemakers, there's people that have been far more explicit and I mean Charlie Kirk publicly was very pro Israel. There's people on the right that are, have, I would say equal mainstream appeal, that have had much more poignant sort of critiques of Israel. And even if that were the case, I don't think that would be cause for Israel to want to take them out. I just think it would be really sloppy.

[Alex Rosen]

Who do you think it was? Who do you think has that?

[Tate Brown]

I mean like someone like Tucker Carlson. I mean Tucker Carlson has huge mainstream appeal and he would be someone that, if you were, you know, trying to keep a lid on right wing discourse, that would be someone that you would view as much more of a threat than Charlie. What I'm trying to say is that I really don't find it difficult to believe that the left leftists broadly viewed Charlie Kirk as this huge threat and that they'd want to take him out. Because, Because I mean that that's what he did. Charlie Kirk, like you're saying he Came into the mainstream. He occupied it and reoriented it. And that's a huge shot if you're like a schizo leftist. I mean, like, yeah, you would view this guy as, you know, enemy number one.

[Alex Rosen]

The only difference I'd see is that Tucker Carlson never really had a lot of Israeli or Jewish donors or people backing him like that. But Charlie Kirk, I mean, at TPUSA events, I've heard from people that have gone to those tons of rabbis there, tons of Jewish and Israeli donors that have helped Charlie Kirk out. So I don't know if it's them. I don't know if it could be them being offended at the betrayal of it, of the world. We're giving all this guy all this money, but then he's saying this about us now. I have no idea. But I think it's. I think both are plausible in regards.

[Tate Brown]

I just think, like, you know, I think it makes a lot of sense that it would be Tyler Robinson. I mean, we have like the investigation. It seems all things are pointing towards him. And like I said, I mean, I think my. My hesitancy to sort of embrace this, the skepticism is because it really does feel like. I'm not saying you, but there is a lot of people that are. Seemed almost anxious to like, let the left off the hook here.

[Alex Rosen]

Right.

[Tate Brown]

It seems like. It seems like he's suspect number one. Obviously be an investigation, he'll go to court, you know, innocent until proven guilty. But there seems to be this tendency from a lot of people sort of on the more like fringe, right. That just want to let the left off the hook.

[Alex Rosen]

Well, it's the left's reaction to it where it shouldn't even matter who actually killed. I mean, it does matter, but when it comes to the left, it shouldn't matter who killed Charlie Kirk. Their reaction to it, celebrating like freaking banshees that he died. I mean, that's. I mean, I knew they wanted all of us dead at first, the left. But I think a lot of normies need to realize that the left, I think, does want a lot of us dead. I mean, even when we've had pedos, you know, take care of their own business and save the taxpayers money, if y' all catch my drift. We've had four pedos that we've caught that have just not made it to court due to their own actions of ceasing to exist. Even in that case, I w. I mean, I'm not. Not mad at it. I'm not sad at. I'm not mourning them but even then, I'm still not celebrating like a freaking banshee. I'm not like, dancing on their grave saying, yeah, it's another one. It's still a human life. But, you know, I'm glad they're gone, but I'm not, you know, going crazy. But the left going crazy at Charlie Kirk dying. I mean, whether it's Israel, whether it's a trend, the trans mafia or whoever, dude, I think it's very telling with them now. And I think the normies need to.

[Ian Crossland]

Realize that it's this weird phenomenon of, like, people living in the Internet where you can talk crap about somebody and it's like they're a confusion computer, video game. Their response is just in text. It's just more data.

[Nick Sorter]

And I mean, you saw today that the DOJ actually tracked down and arrested somebody that sent a death threat to Benny Johnson's house. I'm hoping that they keep this stuff up because you know what? I'm sure you get death threats constantly, too, sometimes to your inbox or whatever, even if it's just a DM on Twitter and stuff. And, I mean, the swattings that happened to a bunch of conservatives earlier this year. Yeah, I mean, I was one of them. And we never heard anything about it. And so. And they actually reached out to me recently, the FBI and actually Bondi about that, about tracking these people down. So I'm hoping that we're actually now getting serious about putting an end to this, because it's being glorified, these assassinations all over the place, you know, and they're laughing about it and they're joking about it and they're mocking it and they're making these people martyrs. Like, I mean, it all started with that Luigi Mangioni guy up there in New York.

[Phil Labonte]

So the show that you guys did this morning, the Culture War, I can't. I can't, you know, emphasize strongly enough. Everybody should watch that at some point this weekend. The culture war this morning had Nick was on, Libby Emmons was the host, Andy no was on, James Klug was on, and Richard McGinnis. Yeah, Richard McGinnis was on, Richie. And they went through a lot of what Antifa does when it comes to financing the organizations that are above board, organizations that actually help finance them and funnel money to Antifa. It goes through. What kind of people are the people on the ground? Which, as we all know, they're the people that are, you know, they're homeless people.

[Ian Crossland]

They're.

[Phil Labonte]

They're people that, that don't have A lot to lose. Because if you're out there, you know, actually fighting with cops, you're not going to be the lawyer that's going to be fighting with the cops. You're going to be people that are, you know, again, don't have a lot to lose. They're homeless or somehow mentally ill or that kind of thing. People that are looking for a reason to get into a scuffle with the cops. People that are down on their luck. But it's really important because we need an all, like an all angles strategy for taking care of this. Not only the stuff that Nick was just saying, but also, you know, the people on the ground need to get wrapped up. The government needs to use every single legitimate lever of power at their disposal to put as much pressure as the federal government can. And that is a lot to put as much pressure as the federal government can on Antifa and the connected groups, all the NGOs, the network of lawyers, there's all. It's extremely deep. And they went into the details today. You should all watch the culture war from this morning and you should get in touch with your representatives and let them know that you want legislation that will empower the federal government to do things. You want the president to be able to attack these organizations in every single legal way they can.

[Ian Crossland]

Posted this video. You actually retweeted it, Phil, about. I think what antifa's goals are is to evoke a fascist violent crackdown so that then they'll be able to rally community support to their cause and be like, look, they really are fascists. We've been telling you for 15 years. Look, see? So like going after swattings using every legal possible means to go after the foot soldiers. If it spirals into what people perceive as a fascist crackdown, then Antifa gets their communist, their momentum because the community will come rally. And so we have to be aware, this is Saul's Rules for radical Saul Alinsky, that their action is their opponent's response. They want this to become violent.

[Phil Labonte]

That's why, that's why it has. That's why I focus so much on. It has to be lawful. It has to be within the realm of what the government has the legal authority to do. You cannot allow this stuff to fester. The reason that we have the problems that we do with Antifa in the left is because in 2016 and 2017 and 2018, the Trump administration didn't have the courage to actually put these organizations down.

[Ian Crossland]

I do agree that escalating, you know, the force to rectify the situation is essentially called for. But when you look at saying just because it's legal, it's okay. You have to go back to look at what Mussolini was doing. They'll make laws that are unethical and then they'll be like, hey, it's legal. And then is it ethical still though, will it make a communist?

[Phil Labonte]

All of the things that Antifa does are unethical. The whole, the entire way the organization operates, they lie about what they're doing. They say that they're peaceful protesters while they're initiating violence against not just the ICE agents and federal agents, but they're initiating violence against people like Nick. They're initiating violence against people like Andy. They beat the absolute shit outta Andy. They smashed Katie Davis court in the face with a poll, blackened her face. They are absolutely going to say that they are legal and that they are just peaceful and stuff. And they're going to have a whole network of lawyers that are gonna defend them. But they do everything they can to lie about it and to beat the absolute shit out of people that don't go along that can no longer be allowed.

[Nick Sorter]

They blame you because they say that speech is actually violence. So they're actually just defending themselves. That's one of the arguments that they make pretty routinely.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, they'll be unethical and they'll make you tell you you're the villain and they'll keep doing it until they can get you to respond unethically and then they'll highlight it and get their crowd to be like, you were right the whole time.

[Phil Labonte]

So it's called Darvo Deny Attack, Reverse victim and offender. So they do things to incite you and then when you actually do something that is lawful in response, they will deny that they did anything and they will say that they're the victims and you are the aggressor. This is typical of people that are abusive in abusive relationships. It's an emotional manipulation technique and it's something that Antifa and people on the left do consistently. And your point is well taken. That's why I retweeted the thing that you said. That is what their goal is. But that doesn't mean that we can just. We have to, we're. We're forced to say, palms up, dude, can't do nothing about it. We have to take these people off the streets and put them in jail. So that way they. So because to leave them out in, in public is to actually harm the peaceful people and the normal people in America.

[Ian Crossland]

So in order to succeed, if There was going to be like a government, a violent government response. And it doesn't have to be violent in the sense that they're break brains open, but they're just grabbing people, putting them like force. Is it up to people like us, people that are communicating to let the public know this is rational, this is actually might seem horrible, but it's not psycho. And so that there isn't a communist revolution response.

[Phil Labonte]

I think it is. And that's part of the reason why I'm very careful about the way that I articulate what I want to see. I want the federal government to use every legal means at its disposal. I want them to act in a, a professional and legal way. But I do think that it's perfectly legitimate for them to use force because you're gonna, if you don't, you're gonna end up with a, with regular American saying, well, the government doesn't do anything, they don't protect me. And eventually it will be regular Americans versus antifa. And that's the last thing you want.

[Ian Crossland]

I agree about using force, but everything legal concerns me because as far as I know, the president can issue a drone strike on an American building and kill antifa even with civil.

[Phil Labonte]

Can't do that in the United States.

[Ian Crossland]

Are you sure he has the drone strike?

[Phil Labonte]

Look, look, so, so whether or not the president will is a different, different question.

[Ian Crossland]

Assuming it's legal.

[Phil Labonte]

It's. It is not legal for the president to do that kind of stuff in the United States, right?

[Ian Crossland]

I don't know. I think if there's terrorists.

[Phil Labonte]

No, it's not. No, it's not. That's why, that's why Barack Obama actually was never used drone strikes outside of the U.S. inside of the U.S. it's always been a situation of we use the, the legitimate, the FBI or what have you, law enforcement to pick up terrorists. There's never been a time where the federal government. Now I know you're thinking about Philadelphia when the Philadelphia police dropped the bomb on that.

[Ian Crossland]

And I'm not talking about Israel using the Samson option where.

[Phil Labonte]

But that's not in, in the U.S. that's not, that's not in the U.S. we're talking about inside the U.S. right? There has never been a time where the president or the federal government has used military strikes like that. They've used the National Guard for peacekeeping and stuff, but they've never had a military strike. It is illegal. And of course the, you know, the president. It's possible that a president could change the law or they could try and change the law. But as of right now, and historically, there's never been a strike from a drone in the United States by the federal government.

[Nick Sorter]

Yeah. And so. So we kind of. We kind of veered a little bit off. But I want to. So I want to kind of steer it back to what we were talking about, like these, you know, we've seen comedians glorifying this stuff and leftist commentators and such glorifying Charlie Kirk's assassination, joking about it, whatever they're doing. But now we've. Me and Serge had this conversation last night about how it's like the United States is becoming a powder keg, where it's just getting worse and worse and worse, and there's this pent up hatred and anger, especially on the left. And now you've got Abigail Spanberger, who is the front runner for governor in Virginia, refusing to pull her endorsement from Jay Jones, who's running for Attorney General in Virginia, you know, after he, you know, justified political assassinations. And this video right here by the. That the post Millennial posted earlier today is shocking to say that.

[Ian Crossland]

Thanks, Steinberger.

[Phil Labonte]

We just want to clarify, you know, what you're saying is that as of now, you still endorse Jay Jones as Attorney General.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm saying as of now, it's up to every voter to make their own individual decision. I am running for governor. I am accountable for the words that.

[Jeff Bridges]

I say, endorses for the acts that.

[Ian Crossland]

I take, for the policies that I have put out. Thank you. I am responsible for the policies I.

[Nick Sorter]

Put out and the work I will.

[Jeff Bridges]

Endeavor to do tirelessly for the people.

[Nick Sorter]

Governor Virginia think she could not condemn this candidate for, you know, justifying political assassinations and actually saying that there are good things sometimes, you know, because people need that personal impact. That's where we are, man.

[Alex Rosen]

Yeah, her being CIA too, spooked the stuff out of me. No pun intended. But, you know, I hate to kind of go back to the point because I know you said we're deviating on it, but, Ian, you know, when you have people like Abigail Spanberger not giving a shit that Jay Jones brutally described how he wants his political opponent's kids to die, I don't really think it matters what we do to antifa, dude. I mean, it's literally an infowart is up to us to kind of like explain that, hey, it's okay to take them and throw them in jail and, you know, kind of rough them up a little bit because, dude, the other side literally just fantasize about killing our children. You know what I'm saying, dude, so it doesn't really matter. Like, it doesn't really matter. Like, I, I think, I think everybody has their opinion on antifa at this point. Like if you're still a normie on the antifa issue, then, I don't know, just get left behind, bro. I think everybody else kind of has their opinion and it's either us or them, dude.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, it can always get worse no matter how bad it is.

[Alex Rosen]

It might have to get worse.

[Ian Crossland]

It might have, but it doesn't have to get worse. It can get worse. And even as bad as it seems, seeing like, well, forget it. Doesn't even matter anyway. Could make it much, much worse. So you do have to care about what your government does.

[Nick Sorter]

Well, yeah, we'll get some context here too. Just for the people that don't understand what these text messages actually are. I mean, you're reading these things and this is like clearly somebody that was on his side at one point that this J. Jones guy was venting to, talking about going to the funerals and pissing on the graves of his political opponents. And it's disturbing. It's disturbing. I mean, talking about children here as well. And at what point, I mean, is your average run of the mill voter. Let's ask Ian here. Ian, you know, are regular people looking at this and are they disgusted by it? I mean, is this, is this not going to severely hurt Democrats across the country?

[Ian Crossland]

It's going to hurt this guy's chance of getting into office. People, regular people, look at the Charlie Kirk assassination are disgusted and are terrified. And the same thing with this stuff.

[Alex Rosen]

I think the worst chances too, because, you know, McAuliffe lost and. Oh, I'm sorry, McAuliffe lost a governor race because he just said that, you know, parents shouldn't really have a say in kids education. And I think that's way more extreme than that. I know we're a little bit more. The left's a little bit more far gone now than they were four years ago. But I mean, if, if Virginia governor can lose just for saying a comment like about kids education, I think this guy's not going to win the election. I think Mears is going to win and I hope he does because Virginia is our favorite state to catch Pedos and I don't want this, I don't want this limp risk download to change that for us.

[Phil Labonte]

Alex, I. Alex, I hope you're right.

[Nick Sorter]

Me too.

[Phil Labonte]

The polls don't show that there has not been a significant down dip after these, these texts have come out there is still the same support. I forget the Abigail Spanberger, she refused to disavow. A lot of. Of national Democrats have refused to disavow. There have been a handful that have said, you know, this is terrible and blah, blah, blah. But there's still so many that have not. And you look at the response to the, the response to Charlie Kirk's murder. That is how the average Democrat kind of feels.

[Nick Sorter]

No, no, no.

[Tate Brown]

That's what I say.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tate Brown]

That guy is the average Democrat. That's the problem.

[Alex Rosen]

Masquerading.

[Tate Brown]

Well, I'm saying. But that's, that's how a lot of these guys are. And it's like you could take a look at their text messages following. You're gonna see some really, really grim stuff. And I, I agree. Like, I'm not talking about your media and sensible liberal. But the problem is they're not in control of the Democrat party anymore. It's driven by the activists and it's like unfortunately, the bay, there's a lot of those text messages. This is the one that just got leaked. But there's all kinds of conversations look like that happening.

[Nick Sorter]

You can look at how there was more that happened in this debate than just that on this topic, this super uncomfortable moment that happened where this moment of silence did happen, where Abigail just looked frazzled because it's like her leftist advisors are telling her not to condemn it, don't condemn it. And she wants to seemingly, but, but can't. I mean, any rational human would want to condemn it. And it's. It's worth watching this just for context here.

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[Phil Labonte]

1H2025 is@t mobile.com Would it take him pulling the trigger? Is that what would do it? And then you would say, he needs to get out of the race? Abigail, you have nothing to say? Abigail, what if he said it about.

[Jeff Bridges]

Your two children, your three children?

[Phil Labonte]

Is that when you would say he should get out of the race?

[Ian Crossland]

Abigail.

[Phil Labonte]

You'Re running to be governor. Ms. Earl Sears. I mean, we're talking about murder. We're talking about someone's life being taken from them.

[Nick Sorter]

You can just.

[Alex Rosen]

She's sort of pissing me off.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Are you not going to, to address it?

[Nick Sorter]

Really?

[Phil Labonte]

You can't go any further. You're a governor. You're supposed to stand up for all the people. Are you saying political murder is all right? Have some political courage. What you have done is you are taking political calculations about your future as governor. Well, as governor, you have to make hard choices. And that means telling Jay Jones to leave the race.

[Nick Sorter]

I mean, this needs to just play on loop for, you know, the next several weeks. You know, people are looking at that and it makes. I've watched this four or five times now, and it makes me uncomfortable to watch it, knowing that they can't. I mean, this is a pretty simple thing to condemn.

[Alex Rosen]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, Winsome Sears is a bad, bad woman. Like, she is great. She is great at her job. She is no nonsense. She's aggressive. Like she, like, you know, like you see in those. So I think that that kind of speaks to the way that, like her temperament and the way that she takes on her opponents. But yeah, I mean, how, how hard is it to say, yes, I disavow this and, and he should step down because that's what should happen. Think about it like this. Every conservative, every Republican that is, that lives in Virginia is likely to be treated unfairly by that guy if he's the ag.

[Alex Rosen]

Oh, absolutely.

[Phil Labonte]

You know, you can't trust that. No Republican or conservative could trust that him as an AG actually will not treat them as if they're a second class citizen.

[Nick Sorter]

Look at this smirk. That's the one you were talking about. I mean, golly, she gives me ptsd. And like you said, she is a former CIA agent. Pretty open about that. I mean, you can definitely, definitely tell it makes a lot of sense.

[Tate Brown]

She has that, like, biting HR lady smirk. This type, this phenotype of woman has terrorized me my entire life. She was your teacher, was your, like, college advisor. She was your HR lady. It's just like this lady right here just been at every turn just cucking me.

[Ian Crossland]

She seems to be doing what you would do in court. If she was under, you know, duress. She would just plead the Fifth and say nothing. But now she's on tv. Everyone gets to watch her. Uncomfortable distancing from the question. Obviously, she's got mixed feelings about what she should do versus what she's gonna do. That's the most insane part of it. When she says, what if it was your own kids that he's threatening to shoot? And then you can see her just change, and she's like, realizes how horrible it is. And then she's like, I was told not to respond. If I say anything, the Republicans will win the election. Donald Trump is bad. I can't.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Nick Sorter]

And we talked about this a little bit last night, actually. The AOC wing of the party seems to be in total control over a lot of these people at this point because she's moved them so far left. She's a fundraising machine, pulls in a hell of a lot of money. And that's one of the reasons that I'd argue that the government is actually shut down right now. Because, you know, if she ran against Chuck Schumer, she'd probably win, I'm saying.

[Phil Labonte]

In New York. Yeah, absolutely. And like you said, the reason that Chuck Schumer is not allowing or is preventing Democrats or telling Democrats not to vote to restart the government is because he wants to look like he is a leader and he's strong, because AOC is thinking about primary him, and if she primaries him, she's probably gonna win. And if you primary the minority leader in the Senate and you win, like, that is a massive boost. She probably becomes. She'll probably be looked at as the leader. Whether or not she actually becomes the minority leader or the leader of the Democrats. If you primary the leader of the Democrats and you win, people are gonna be like, all right, well, it looks like she's in charge now. And if she's in charge now, that means. Means that the far left is gonna have way more influence. I was talking to a friend of mine that used to be a staffer for Shaheen, and she says that up on the Hill right now, everybody sees this. The Democrats are using AOC as a means to reach the far left because they think that AOC has the far left's ear. And there are people that think will criticize AOC on the far left and say that she works with the establishment too much. But the establishment looks at her and see someone that can court the far left. And if they're looking at her like that, they will support her and she.

[Tate Brown]

Will be in a leadership position beyond that. I mean, even like Zoron, you've seen the establishment get behind where it's moved from. I agree with your analysis, but I think it's moved beyond like, oh, this is just like a siphon to like, siphon off that, you know, leftist activist energy. I think they're kind of realizing they just have to play ball. Like, if they want to win elections, they have to play ball.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, yeah, totally. Totally.

[Tate Brown]

So it's like, like, I think it's beyond that. I think it's just like this is probably the most safe representative of the far left because, yeah, I mean, like I said earlier, even Zoron, they all were like, I endorse Zoron. He's great. Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, not only that, Hochul endorsed Zoran, hoping that Zoran would give her an endorsement too. And he didn't. Yeah, that's just like. And the point, the reason that's a. That's like, that's just a, you know, swing your dick play. Right? Like, he didn't have to endorse her. Hochul, the governor endorses Zoharan, hoping for some something for reciprocity. And then he's just like, I don't need Hochul. That is a big dick move.

[Tate Brown]

And it screwed her over because now Stefanik is looking great in the polls. Like, we could end up with a situation where we have a Republican governor of New York and Zoron as mayor would be absolutely hilarious. And yeah, part of that was Stefanik is just XP farming on. On Hochul because like, New Yorkers view upstate, New Yorkers view her as in cahoots with Zoron. Even though Zoron's not playing ball with her, it's like a total disaster for Hochul.

[Ian Crossland]

The Iranians before the revolution in 79, the king of Iran, the Shah would. He decided he was going to play ball with the radicals of his society, which were the radical Islamists. And he thought, if I can get their support, then that will guarantee that there won't be a civil war. But all he did was empower the radical. I was going to call him psychopaths. I'll be gentle about my ad hominem attacks. He empowered the radical Shia populists. To call it the far left or whatever. And then there was a revolution and they had more power because he'd been supporting them. So don't support the radicals that you don't agree with. Pretty blatant.

[Phil Labonte]

That's. That's not gonna happen right now, my friend. She. She tweeted the octogenarians. Leading congressional Dems, Pelosi, Clyburn, et cetera, see her as a moderating voice between them and the radical left who think AOC isn't leftist enough. They see her as a way to reach this segment, especially younger voters who will temper with age. The point is, they see these, the young people, and as they grow up, they will become normal Democrats is kind of the play. I mean, this is Clyburn's like the kingmaker, right? Like in the Democrat Party, people may not realize it, but Jim Clyburn is really a kingmaker. People that are gonna run for leadership or whatever, they need to go and get Clyburn's blessing, right? If Clyburn and Pelosi are looking at AOC and saying, hey, hey, this is the person that can reach young people. And Libby was saying last. Last night or the other night, you know, she's incredibly relatable. She gets onto her IG and she puts together IKEA furniture, she cooks and she gets, you know, thousands and thousands of people watching her. She's incredibly relatable and she's incredibly charismatic. She is a force to be reckoned with. And it's a serious thing. Like, people really need to think about the fact that not only is AOC incredibly, like, well positioned to actually become a senator, but also that's where the energy in the Democrat Party is. Like, I've been saying that there's a civil war in the Democrat Party since the end of last. Since the end of the. Since November of last year when Trump won. It was probably a little bit before that. But I've been saying that there's a big problem in the Democrat Party. The people that have money, the donors, they don't want to give money to Zoran Mandani. They don't want to give money to AOC because their policies will end up hurting the rich people, right? The rich people have been Democrats. They've been given to Pelosi and to your Schumers and blah, blah, blah, and they've been reliably normal Democrats. But the young people don't need those big donors because they get small donations from a lot more people. And it looks like that AOC in the far left are actually Winning. They're going to take over control of the party.

[Ian Crossland]

Last question about the Senate. Since we're on the topic, what do you guys think about Thomas Massie taking Mitch McConnell?

[Phil Labonte]

Thomas Massey's in the House.

[Ian Crossland]

What if he can run against, take Mitch McConnell's seat for the Senate now?

[Nick Sorter]

I don't think. I mean, is there really any talk of that happening at this point?

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, someone started begging for it, and I thought maybe we could put some momentum.

[Nick Sorter]

I think it's much more likely that he'd run for governor of Kentucky before he'd run for US Senate.

[Ian Crossland]

The thing about the Senate and aoc, we have to have her in here and interview this girl, this human, because you need wisdom to be in the Senate. That's the whole point, is people that can see beyond the box, they know what's outside, they understand the danger of, of new laws. That's why they have the veto power that they have. So I'd like to see somebody like T bone Thomas Massey.

[Tate Brown]

Senate races require a lot more fundraising than House races. I mean, House races are every two years. Like, there's people that have squeaked in with, like, not very large war chests at all. Senate's a big, big ticket, especially because.

[Nick Sorter]

Like, Thomas Massie doesn't get any APAC dollars and he's pissed off, like, all the special interest groups and such. So it'd be a lot more difficult for him to raise the necessary capital.

[Tate Brown]

He would be, like, completely relying on individual donors, which, I mean, there's a pathway potentially, but so far in the Senate, we haven't really seen it.

[Phil Labonte]

Massie's safe in his seat, too. Like, he's extremely popular with his constituents. So, I mean, they still haven't found.

[Nick Sorter]

Somebody to like a serious primary opponent from. They keep saying they're gonna try, and.

[Phil Labonte]

Donald Trump wants to like Donald Trump, like the President of the United States, the big bully pulpit wants to primary Massey, but they can't find anybody that'll actually get any momentum against Massie because he makes his constituents happy. It's similar to what was going on with Ron Paul. Like, nobody could ever get Ron Paul out of his seat because Ron Paul made his constituents happy. He did what they wanted him to do, and Thomas Massie does the same thing. So it doesn't matter that Donald Trump, you know, tweets, mean things at him. Thomas Massie is very safe. And so if you're in a safe seat, what's the benefit for trying to, to go to the Senate? I understand that. Well, I mean, is it really?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. The senators have more power than the representatives.

[Phil Labonte]

Would he have more power, you think, Technically?

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, he'd be pretty influential in there talking to the other senators when they all get together.

[Phil Labonte]

He's already one of the guys in the House that will stymie bills if he doesn't want to.

[Nick Sorter]

I mean, the issue was trying to prom. So. I know this district very well, actually. Thomas Massey's district. I lived in Kentucky for most of my life, and I was around a lot of Kentucky politicians during COVID especially. That's how I started. Was trying to fight all the COVID mandates from the draconian governor down there, Andy Beshear and Thomas. There are a lot of good politicians in or political minds in Thomas Massie's district, but they all align with Thomas Massie, so it's really hard to find a good, viable candidate to go up against him. It seriously is. So. I mean, he's in a good spot. They've tried to primary him in the past. Even, you know, last cycle, I believe President Trump said he was gonna primary Thomas Massey, and that didn't work out either. So.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't know, he had at least 78% of the vote or something. Yeah, it was a lot. Huge number.

[Nick Sorter]

It actually was higher than it was the time before.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, thanks for. Thanks for talking about Thomas Massie joining the Senate.

[Nick Sorter]

Yeah. But. But anyway. Yeah, well, let's.

[Tate Brown]

Let's.

[Nick Sorter]

Let's jump a little bit further, you know, talking about this shutdown and everything here, which sort of. Honestly, I think this is a good part of the shutdown here. I'm not gonna complain about any part of this. Firings of federal workers begin as White House seeks to pressure Democrats in government shutdown.

[Phil Labonte]

I keep getting.

[Nick Sorter]

Yeah, and we actually got confirmation in a court filing of who has been terminated. And keep in mind, these are not furloughs. These are terminations. Reduction in force notices that went out today across seven departments. Commerce, Education, Energy, Health and Human Services, Housing and Urban Development, Homeland Security, and Treasury. Several thousand employees. What is the downside, guys?

[Alex Rosen]

None. I'm so. I'm so glad my tax dollars aren't. Aren't paying these freaking dumb midwits to do nothing, man. I'm so glad the Democrats are causing the government shut. I'm now a Democrat. Whoever's actually behind the shutdown, I identify with that party. So God bless whoever's shutting down the government. I'm so sick of these people, man.

[Ian Crossland]

A potential downside would be that it creates a large unemployment sector of people that have government ties that could form a rogue government. This is what happened in Iraq when we ousted the bath party.

[Nick Sorter]

They were, oh my God, you're talking dark stuff over there. But these people are, let's say a lot of them are very incapable of doing anything. The reason that they worked in the positions they were doing is because they didn't actually have to do anything. So I don't see them forming a rogue government anytime.

[Alex Rosen]

Middle aged black brigade.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, they probably would. I wouldn't think these people would be the brains of it if there was something forming like a communist revolution. Like, you see, Antifa is kind of the street soldiers of this movement. This deep, whatever it is, this dark. I think they want a geopolitical tech, tech romancy. They want like a communist technocracy that comes out of the World Economic Forum. Global control. You know, everybody, if you, you act out of order, your bank account gets shut down. They want a communist revolution to put this into place and, and that these unemployed government people might be roped into that. Think that now at least I have something to live for because that evil MFER over there in government, you know, blame Donald Trump. Blame Donald Trump thing.

[Alex Rosen]

I don't think those employees are gonna really do shit.

[Tate Brown]

I mean, I think it's even worse. I don't even think they're gonna form a counter government. They're all gonna form podcasts and it's.

[Nick Sorter]

Gonna be awful, this nightmare.

[Tate Brown]

Just flooding the zone with just sl. Oh no. Maybe we can form some sort of federal jobs program where they can like, you know, pick up trash or something just to like, keep them away from podcast mics. It's already bad enough that I have a mic. Like, do we really need all these like bureaucrats? Oh my gosh. Larping like it's npr.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I back the DM back tape.

[Tate Brown]

Literally.

[Ian Crossland]

My experience, I guess getting new jobs would be a good idea. Creating new. A new industry for whoever. It doesn't really matter what their political alignment is if it's like in the technological sector.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. After, like, after Trump, you know, sends the national Guard and like clean Chicago up, there's me a lot of trash left over because people are me throwing stuff so they could come in with their jumpsuits and their stick with a nail on it and just, you know, go to town.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, look, I mean, Ian, you talk about the liberal economic order and stuff all the time. Like, if you actually are able to dismantle that, you're going to make unemployment. You're going to have to fire these people. If you want the government to shrink and be less involved in your life, you have to fire people. You are going to make unemployment that you can't have one without the other. You can't shrink the government and keep everybody employed at the government.

[Nick Sorter]

We all know how this works. It's like these agencies, these agencies don't want to lose their headcount. They will do everything they can. They will make you, you know, the designated stapler of the office if they just to keep you on the payroll.

[Phil Labonte]

Right.

[Nick Sorter]

They don't want to reduce the headcount. And now this is the perfect opportunity to do so. Take full advantage of it. I mean personally, look, the biggest problem that I have with the shutdown is the fact that troops aren't being paid. I hate that part. I think we probably universally agree that that's a bad thing. Thing. However, there's no reason that Congress can't pass a standalone bill to pay the troops. So that's exactly what should happen. I tried to push the congressman on it last night and maybe, maybe that's something that can happen. But the Senate just went home again. So I'm not sure that's.

[Alex Rosen]

I mean this literally is a swamp being drained. I mean swamp isn't like some CIA spook sitting in an office doing evil shit across the world. I mean it is, but the swamp majority is that middle aged Black lad making 60k a year doing active, absolutely nothing. That's, that is the swamp. You know what they, that's what's being lost right now. I'm in full support.

[Ian Crossland]

But they never talked about when they're like drain the swamp is what are we going to do with all the drainage? That's where I'm wondering where's all this drainage?

[Nick Sorter]

Are you, are you referring to these people as drainage?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, because also what could happen is they get hired by corporations. Ultimately we live in a corporatocracy right now where Alphabet and Amazon have almost control as if they're their own governments. We don't really because the US military is stopping them that in real time. But you know, that's the problem with capitalism unchecked is that corporations get so big they become their own governments. And you saw with like the, you know, the East India Trading company in the 15, 1600s.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, we have like the reason we have like the biggest government in history or at least in American history right now. To call our system capitalism unchecked is just grossly wrong.

[Ian Crossland]

It's not capital. That's what happens. That's a problem of unchecked capitalism but the corporatocracy that we, we have built up around us as a result of this unfettered capitalism. A lot of ways I'm not saying.

[Phil Labonte]

I disagree with that Again though, it's not, it's not. If you have all of the regulations and rules that we have, it's not unfettered capitalism. We don't have unfettered capitalism. We don't have laissez faire capitalism. We have more regulations at this point in history than we have ever had in our entire country's history in the United States. So to say that it's not like to say that it's unfettered or that it's not that it's unchecked like that is just totally wrong.

[Ian Crossland]

Get our, our materials from China's slave labor. It's not the United States that's running the show right now. It's this global capitalist, out of control capitalism system that has produced these mega corporations like you.

[Phil Labonte]

You keep saying out of control but China is, has more regulation than we do.

[Ian Crossland]

Monopoly controls. You can't. Because it's their geo. They're multinational. You can't stop.

[Phil Labonte]

But China, like if you don't play by China's rules and China has more rules than the United States, China kicks you out. Like when you're in China there's someone from the Chinese Communist Party that gets an office in your, your corporate headquarters so that way they can monitor what you're doing. Like not that, not saying that. Like I mean I just don't understand why you're, you're, you're alluding to the idea that this is, that our, our world is like capitalism run loose and it's unfettered and there's no control and there's no regulation. Like you're. And then you bring up the United States and China both which have massive.

[Ian Crossland]

Amounts of regulation in compared to 1900. I guess let's compare today to 1900.

[Phil Labonte]

1900 there was no, there was almost no regulation.

[Ian Crossland]

That's where they developed antitrust. When they broke up Standard Oil, Rockefeller Standard Oil, they broke it into like six oil companies because he was too. But they can't do it to Alphabet because it's Geo national now it's international. They can't. The US Government can be like you can't work here if you don't break apart. But no one's. It's going to destroy the American economy if we get Google and all these companies out of the US So we are in a corporatocracy. I mean we live in a corporatocracy.

[Phil Labonte]

But there's tons of regulations on done all these companies, the reason why, the reason why Google has all the lawyers and lobbyists that they do is because the government regulates the crap out of them. This, the idea that there's no regulation. So all the only argument I have with you is when you say that we are implying that it's unfettered capitalism, that it's companies doing whatever they want and the government has no control and that you know, it's just, they're just raging and doing whatever and, and there's no regulation or whatever. That's just down, that's just downright wrong.

[Ian Crossland]

Congress gave up the printing of the monetary supply. They don't control the monetary supply.

[Phil Labonte]

What does that have to do with Alphabet?

[Ian Crossland]

It's a private company that controls our monetary supply.

[Nick Sorter]

Alphabet?

[Ian Crossland]

No, the Federal Reserve.

[Phil Labonte]

Okay, but you were talking about Alphabet.

[Ian Crossland]

It's another private company that's like serving outside of the prowess of the United States. We, we just. This is a bit of a tangent. I'm just bringing up potential outcomes of what could happen with these fired employees. That they could go work for a corporation. They could get to the point that's like we're the government now. You want your food delivered? What? Well, you're going to need our services. I'll change every search algorithm you ever type in the Internet. You like your Internet? Well then you serve us like Verizon and Apple.

[Phil Labonte]

There's so many, you have so many options when it comes to who you're going to get. Like if you don't like your, your Internet, go with, get a, you know, get a hotspot from T Mobile or any of the other WI FI companies. You don't like that, go to go to Starlink. I mean you've got so many options.

[Alex Rosen]

That entry level people, what they'll be are going to start with like, you know, that's implying that those entry, they're going to become entry level people in those companies. They're not going to start dictating policy for those companies. I, I wouldn't think, you know, and that's, and that's not a guarantee. And just because they get fired from the government, that doesn't guarantee they're going to go work for Google or Doordash or whoever. But yeah, I think, you know, I think your theory is plausible, but I think you're giving way too much credit to just middling midwit government employees.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, I don't want to make it seem like, either of these are probable. I don't think they are. I just think these are, like, what are the possible downsides? Nick, you asked at the beginning of the segment. These are two possible negative outcomes of we empower the corporatocracy or we create a shadow government with all these fired employees.

[Alex Rosen]

Yeah, we know for sure what's happening is government employees are being fired. So I think that in itself is a win. And we're talking about potential drawbacks that haven't even happened yet and that probably won't even happen. So I think, I think just a risk reward situation. Them being fired from the government is, in fact, a reward. Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

And any, like, disgruntled bureaucrat that would be competent anyway has already been poached by the private sector for the most part.

[Ian Crossland]

Right.

[Tate Brown]

So this is just trimming the fat of people that are just hanging around that have been assigned tasks that are like, somewhat proprietary knowledge to them. But, like, like I said earlier, any competent people have been poached already. Like, this is like, just objective. Like, this has happened already. Like, right when Trump got in, this happened.

[Ian Crossland]

Did you catch what jobs were released in the article? Specify.

[Nick Sorter]

Not the they just now. I mean, like, less than, or maybe it was a little bit over two hours ago. They actually released who or the departments that lost the employees. I haven't seen anything specific yet unless something came out since then. But there's a list right there. Department of the Treasury. I'm really hoping those are IRS agents. That would be fantastic. Don't know for sure just yet.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, it was. I read earlier it was the Office of Civil Rights and compliance lost about 75% of their employees to RF.

[Nick Sorter]

Oh, in the IRS. Oh, hell yeah. That's why keep it shut down. Let's do more than shut down stuff.

[Tate Brown]

Shut down's great. Everyone's furloughed, so it's like all the patriots are getting a little breather. Like, it's great.

[Ian Crossland]

They're probably going to use AI to replace these people, too, if the functions of these. What these people were doing.

[Nick Sorter]

Yep, yep. And that's. That's great. I mean, I want to ask this honestly, has anybody in this room experienced anything negative so far about the. The government shutdown? Like, personally had any. No.

[Alex Rosen]

Yeah, Yeah. I would say, you know, my flight was delayed a little bit while in the air, so I was. And so me being 300 something pounds was sitting in a little mini economy class extra hour on this freaking flight. But, you know, if I was, the.

[Nick Sorter]

FAA guys are taking sick days yes, yes.

[Alex Rosen]

But if I have to waste an hour in the air to get 60,000 government employees fired, I will be. I will.

[Tate Brown]

Patriot. Patriot.

[Nick Sorter]

That's. That's a man.

[Tate Brown]

That's what it takes.

[Nick Sorter]

Loves his country.

[Ian Crossland]

Thank you.

[Phil Labonte]

Thank you.

[Ian Crossland]

I also had a delayed flight a few days ago. The flight. The plane had hit a bird on the way in, so they were retrofitting. They're fixing the plane. And then the pilots, they were like, hey, the pilots have to go home and go to school, sleep. But I don't know if that's because of the shutdown or not. It was just. That's their schedule.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, were you gonna say Tate? Were you gonna say.

[Tate Brown]

No, I was just saying, like, yeah, I'll go back for, you know, a little extra coffee or whatever in the airport if that's what it takes to get these losers. If. You know what? They can even start a podcast. If they all start one big podcast.

[Unidentified Guest]

No, please.

[Tate Brown]

Sink it all into one that.

[Ian Crossland]

Please.

[Tate Brown]

I could tolerate that.

[Nick Sorter]

Okay.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, right. If the government was like, I'll suffer a little. Thank you.

[Ian Crossland]

If you got some government. If Christy no More was like, tate, we want to pay you $500,000 a year to keep doing what you're doing. Would you take the money? Yeah. Wait, that would just be more government bloat.

[Tate Brown]

I. Hey, government benefits me. I mean, my problem. I've maintained this position. My problem with corruption is that I'm not benefiting.

[Phil Labonte]

He's.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, I'm not involved.

[Phil Labonte]

He's not a small government guy. He's a big government guy.

[Tate Brown]

Like, government.

[Nick Sorter]

You're not getting paid $7,000 a post?

[Tate Brown]

Not yet.

[Nick Sorter]

It's just. Alex.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah? The check hasn't cleared.

[Ian Crossland]

Well.

[Tate Brown]

No, yeah, we. We love. We love the. We love the. The shutdown. This is great. You know, my. My girlfriend's furloughed. I get to see her. That's great. And then that might get annoying after some time, but we'll see.

[Nick Sorter]

Who is unfortunately not furloughed right now is Jimmy Kimmel, who is on TV again. Apparently, he's down about 75% in the rating since he came back on air. And of course, he has a take on antifa, and it goes just as you would imagine it does.

[Alex Rosen]

You understand, there's no antifa. This is an entirely imaginary organization. There is not an antifa. This is no different than if they announced they rounded up a dozen Decepticons.

[Nick Sorter]

We've captured the Chupacabra, everyone.

[Alex Rosen]

And then it was Trump's turn to ratchet up the rhetoric with fiery images conjured from. No one has any idea what.

[Ian Crossland]

Where.

[Nick Sorter]

Nice Phil. Antifa doesn't exist.

[Phil Labonte]

I hate him. I mean, it. Like it's. It's so ridiculous to say that. You can literally go to Rose City Antifa's website. They have Facebook pages, right? Like, there's tons of people that, that have Antifa flags on their wall, you know, like. And they're calling Kaepernick Kaepernick.

[Ian Crossland]

What's he doing?

[Nick Sorter]

So this is what he's doing. Nowadays, however, there's an episode I had.

[Unidentified Guest]

To see if this was the real thing.

[Phil Labonte]

There's an episode of Shameless, which is. I think it was a Cinemax show where they were. They were talking about. Antifa was fighting with another, some gang. Antifa was portrayed as the good guy, but some woman came in, she's like, antifa's beaten up, blah, blah, blah.

[Nick Sorter]

Outside.

[Phil Labonte]

It's like, don't tell me they don't exist. That is that like. And to tell your audience and the, you know, the seals in the audience that just clap along with whatever he says, like, they know that Antifa exists. They. They've seen shirts, they've seen, you know, they've heard people talk about it. It's something that exists in pop culture. And to deny it is just insulting to everybody's intelligence. But I mean, like I said, I hate Jimmy Kimmel.

[Ian Crossland]

I was thinking, you're not alone, brother. Antifascism is a concept is one thing. And a lot of different movements can be anti fascist. So, like democratic republicanism is inherently anti fascist.

[Phil Labonte]

Liberalism is.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, liberalism is anti fascist. So these guys that say their movement is Antifas. Fascists are actually a communist movement that's anti fascist.

[Nick Sorter]

They're not actually anti fascist.

[Ian Crossland]

I think they are.

[Nick Sorter]

They're not anti fascist. Some of the biggest fascists that I've ever met in my life.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, fascism's empowering the state through, like an individual.

[Nick Sorter]

They want to take over the state. They want to be the state.

[Ian Crossland]

They don't want no state. They want communism where there are no borders, there are no wall.

[Phil Labonte]

That's.

[Ian Crossland]

That's what the anti fascist. They're not fascist in that sense, but neither are we.

[Unidentified Guest]

But they're fascistic.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't think so.

[Phil Labonte]

They're authoritarian, violent, dismantle the government, then.

[Alex Rosen]

Just leave us all alone after that. That's probably not the case.

[Ian Crossland]

No, it would inst. Vanguard, if they were to do it, they'd have like a small group of people to be like, we're Just going to run it for a little while first. And then they'd end up staying in charge. Probably like deep state people in the dark that we don't know.

[Nick Sorter]

Well, go and look at what they did with Chaz. Or I think they had to start calling it chop, because calling an autonomous zone was a challenge of the sovereignty of the United States. And they didn't want to deal with that one, so they, they changed it to chop. But it was. They installed their own little authoritarian government that would shoot you if you crossed into the zone without their permission.

[Phil Labonte]

And those people died.

[Nick Sorter]

Yeah. And nobody was charged as soon as.

[Phil Labonte]

They set it up, and no one is ever charged.

[Ian Crossland]

When the Soviets had their revolution in the 1920, they set up what's called vanguardism, was Lenin's idea. We're gonna put a little vanguard in first. And that's what these guys were in. CHOP was the vanguard, Their attempt at putting a small group in that's gonna make sure communism works for real this time.

[Nick Sorter]

Yeah. One of the biggest issues they ended up having here and why it ended up running out of supplies is because the homeless people just came in and started taking everything off the table out of their little commune that they had built.

[Ian Crossland]

So, so, so Jimmy Kimmel saying antifa is an idea is like amorphous. That maybe is his thread of truth that he thinks he's got going. But like Phil said with the clapping seals holding up three fingers and saying, I've got five fingers up right now. And people are just like, huh. Like, antifa is an actual organized movement. It's called antifa. It's not even, it doesn't indicate that it's anti. It's just a thing called antifa. I mean, I, I maybe, maybe you guys know more than I do about the evidence. And Phil, you said that the culture worded really ran down the list of, like, where funding is coming from.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, yeah. They, they like, they try to. Because they, they want to claim that it's an idea because it's, they can like, put this propaganda up. Or they'll show like, they'll show like the Arlington Cemetery National Cemetery, and they'll be like, oh, this is what. Or they'll show like people in World War II and be like, that was antifascist.

[Alex Rosen]

You're great.

[Tate Brown]

I'm like, if you tried to explain to your great grandfather, like, any of the policies that you support, he would be absolutely horrified.

[Phil Labonte]

Those same people, like, even though the United States was allied with the Soviet Union at time, those same people hated communism. These People that are saying, oh, you know, these were anti fascist, yes, but they were also anti communist because just at the end of World War II, everybody knew how much of a danger the Soviet Union was. Everybody knew how bad the Soviet Union was like right away. So the idea that your grandfather, your great grandfather would have been on your side, he would have looked at you like you were the basket case.

[Tate Brown]

You are, he would have called you gay.

[Phil Labonte]

You would have been right.

[Ian Crossland]

You're saying the kids that are serving.

[Phil Labonte]

Antifa currently, the people that end up putting up those pictures on the Internet saying this is, these guys were antifa too. Well, you know, you're probably an imbecile and they would have hated your guy.

[Nick Sorter]

The legacy media wants to say that antifa isn't an actual thing because they, they can't point to some leader like Osama bin Laden that is a front facing figure that can be decapitated. That's part of the point. They don't want to have a front facing leader that's doing media hits and putting out propaganda and stuff because it's too easy just to take that person out. I think Andy Ngo earlier pointed to the Weather Underground that happened, that leftist terrorist movement that happened years and years ago and how easy it was to just take out the entire organization by taking out the public facing leaders. So that's one of the arguments as to, okay, why you're not seeing people pulling strings in the background, talking publicly. That's part of the idea, yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Matt, I don't know if the world, well since the dawn of television has ever seen an attempted revolution like this thing, this silent quasi public private move with just aggravated street violence and constant media manipulation to provoke the normal people into thinking that they're villains.

[Nick Sorter]

And that's one of the biggest issues that I faced out there in Portland and why it was the coverage out there was so effective because these media outlets were not willing to go and document what was actually happening. They weren't there. I mean, yet every single night, all hours of the day, you know, fireworks being launched off, fires set in the street, people screaming at 3 o'clock in the morning, people beating each other up. Mostly it being, you know, one sided. It's, you know, the leftists getting away with it. They can beat up conservatives in the street, you know, conservative journalists such as myself, I was a victim of that as well. Alex would probably fare a little bit better than I did, just to be honest with you, in a protest like that. But they protest in quotation marks. Let me be very clear. But the media, when they were asking me questions, they were spouting these same talking points saying that's not actually. It's peaceful. They use the mostly peaceful line still. And it's like they're complicit it in ignoring the problem. They want to act like there is no problem, but it seems like it's because they're afraid of these antifa people. We are.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, don't be.

[Unidentified Guest]

I mean, they're terrorists, dude.

[Ian Crossland]

If you're alone, if you wait in fear, they'll get you. So you have to stand up now and be brave and bring it down as a unity.

[Tate Brown]

Well, and you made a good point too. It's like I actually do agree, like this is slightly different what we're dealing with here because of social media, because of the Internet, because these people are able to coordinate nationwide rapidly in real time because of the Internet. And that does actually add like an extra element where previous sort of insurgent groups like this, you can call them terrorist groups now because that's legally what they are. They would have been like very regional things and it would require like, I mean they have safe houses but all the coordination happened there where it's like now they're able to coordinate online.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, and I was thinking this. With the Soviet Union, the revolution of the Bolsheviks with Lenin is. What's his name? The emperor of Russia at the time. Yeah, he was just sitting in his castle like he had no idea what was happening in the world outside of his walls because he didn't have a TV that didn't exist. So the communists, Lenin, his men were just able to go around and do stuff. But now we've got spy tech like satellites watching where they're going, bank transactions being fed. And so it's this high tech, super fast moving conflict, I guess you would call it. Never seen anything like it before. And then now you're introducing artificial intelligence and deep fake takes. It's exciting. I mean, not in a good way, but it's like exhilarating to watch it happening all around us and we're influencing it. That's what's so cool.

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[Jeff Bridges]

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[Zoe]

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[Ian Crossland]

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[Phil Labonte]

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[Zoe]

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[Ian Crossland]

About it is like our words just generally day to day are like guiding people's momentum, where they're looking, how they're dealing with it.

[Nick Sorter]

Yeah, on the AI topic, I'm really curious about this because I think at one point, point Grok turned into what they say, Mecca Hitler. Mecca Hitler for a little bit. You know, I'm a little worried about when AI starts becoming the arbiter of truth, which they're already trying to use it for. Whose truth is it? Like when do you start to trust it to be the arbiter of truth, the arbiter.

[Alex Rosen]

See it on Twitter now. I mean, every reply just like Grok, is this true?

[Tate Brown]

Is this true? Dude, it's terrifying because Grok lies you and then you have the dissolution of it information where like there's a meme going around. But it's actually kind of salient as like me using the 4K footage of me committing a crime but putting the SORA logo on there so no one knows if it's real or not. And it's like it's a meme. But it's also you're sitting there like, oh yeah, people can do that now.

[Ian Crossland]

You saw the Jake Paul. Have you seen the Jake Paul deep fakes with him and Ricky Berwick. Hilarious. Hilarious. They get Jake Paul perfectly. Michael Jackson looks like real Michael. He talks like Michael. He's like, he's dancing and talking, talking Martin Luther King Jr. You pick you.

[Phil Labonte]

You trust the ones that can pick out the homosexuals, the gayar.

[Tate Brown]

That's the test.

[Phil Labonte]

That's the word you got to do. Bring that up. So you can see there's one problem is you trust the AI that can pick out the gays right now.

[Tate Brown]

They can, they can depict Stephen Hawking on a NASCAR track racing other cars. The gayar is going to be the real test of AI because this could be useful for DC staffing because it's a big, you know, so, so like.

[Ian Crossland]

The, the dating apps, they'll be like, I will just set you right Gro.

[Tate Brown]

Which way is this guy swing? You know, that'd be really handy. That would be nice to know if.

[Ian Crossland]

They can measure the way you walk. And when you take a dump, they're going to know how gay you are. And then. But the guy that knows that doesn't need to let the AI know that he knows. And the AI will be telling you one thing. But the guy that really knows, right. Like who's in control of the AI? This, this freaking.

[Phil Labonte]

Who is in control?

[Ian Crossland]

Sam Altman. I. I mean, dude, chatgpt.

[Nick Sorter]

He had this weird comment yesterday where he said that he would never spend $250,000 on a car. And then there's. But he's driving around in a Koenigsegg, which is like $4 million. It's like, I don't know if this guy is who he is or he was on Tucker not too long. I don't know if you guys saw this where he was on Tucker Carlson and Tucker started asking him questions about his murdered whistleblower and he like got really hot and bothered by the whole thing. That was awesome.

[Tate Brown]

He had like a five part series in San Francisco where it was just him making the case of why he's not the Antichrist. You have to do a five part lecture series and you're going to draw some. You're going to draw some.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't know him. And he's, he's in control of a nasty power. So obviously there's criticism there. I'm not going to hate on that. It's just that there is a guy that is in control of a device. Like AI is like a nuclear weapon.

[Nick Sorter]

One of the most powerful people in the world.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

And if you cross him, you're just going to get grok calling you gay all day. You're not going to defend yourself because.

[Ian Crossland]

You'D be like, no, I'm not. Then it seems like you're on the defensive and you're actually obviously gay at that point. Point.

[Tate Brown]

Then you got to do a five part lecture series on why I'm not gay.

[Ian Crossland]

And then I mean, why AI outed me incorrectly.

[Tate Brown]

It's over. Exactly.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, I love AI, dude. I've been obsessively watching all the SORA stuff and it's like thank you to SORA for putting the word Sora on the videos, because they don't have to do that legally, I don't think at this point.

[Phil Labonte]

But I would find that on all of them. Is that going to be.

[Ian Crossland]

I'll scroll past real videos because they're boring to me now to find the AI ones that are so entertaining. Of Tupac Shakur hanging out with Einstein, and then they get into a boxing match and, like, it's like they're really there.

[Phil Labonte]

There was something going around of protesters yelling at police, and they were policing in fatigues. And one of my buddies posted it up to a chat that I'm in. He's like, is this real? And I'm like. And everybody was like, I don't know, man. I can't tell. It looks real. And blah, blah, blah. And they were saying some weird stuff. And I had seen it before, and I was like, guys, look Sora. Like, that's the watermark. That's the new. New thing. But they're. Sora is good enough to fool people if you have a realistic, like, scenario. Right. If you have him prompt something that's realistic, that doesn't have, you know, silly. You know, silly phrases or whatever. Most of the stuff I've seen on SORA is kind of ridiculous stuff. The Stephen Hawking jump, you know, falling into doing wrestling or GR 500.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

You know, that kind of stuff is. Is obviously. That's. That's easy.

[Nick Sorter]

I will never look at Stephen Hawk the same way again after the Epstein island stuff. I don't think I can possibly do it.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, and that's. That's a weird thing, too, because it's like, did. Was that his choice or was he just kind of just brought there? Wait, no, no. Yeah, so. And like, what? Really? Could I digress?

[Alex Rosen]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

You made a good point about people putting a sorrel logo on a video to make it look fake. That's another layer of the psyop.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Dude. We are, like, six weeks away from total immersion. It feels like. Whatever that means, but where every. I mean, I'm at the point now where I don't know the difference. I know Tupac's dead. I know he's supposed to be dead.

[Nick Sorter]

Supposedly dead.

[Ian Crossland]

It's like. It's real. It is real.

[Nick Sorter]

And it.

[Ian Crossland]

Obviously, video games are real life. They're just a real life in a box. And you can forget the difference, but it's still real.

[Nick Sorter]

Yeah, I think it's beyond terrifying. I think it's beyond terrifying. I mean, it's going to be much easier for foreign governments to launch psyops on US citizens here very shortly. I mean it's all look at Facebook, look at Facebook. They can already. I mean the, the, the older folks, I love them, a lot of good people out there, but they, my inbox is full, even from my parents of stuff that they found on Facebook. Like, like fake AI crap that doesn't look, it doesn't even look real to, you know, most of us, let's just say. But the older crowd is buying that up so quickly. Wait until they get the shadows and the movements right on the AI stuff and I mean it is going to be really bad really, really fast.

[Tate Brown]

Alex, are you getting. Guys are getting caught like saying are they using AI in any ways? Are they able to utilize AI as an excuse?

[Alex Rosen]

Well, no, no, we, we've actually utilized AI and we've had some dumb boomer predators. Even sex offenders sometimes fall for AI photos. Like the guy today who went to go meet who he thought was a 13 year old girl is actually a 22 year old guy that works for me who put his face in an AI thing to make himself. I mean it looks like a 13 year old girl, but I mean we would all know it's AI but he straight up fell for it, wanted to have sex with his kid. So we already have Pedos falling for it. But as for Pedos telling us they're using AI, not yet.

[Tate Brown]

Not yet.

[Ian Crossland]

When you do, if you.

[Alex Rosen]

It's not.

[Ian Crossland]

Is it considered entrapment if you pretend to be a young girl and then they come?

[Alex Rosen]

No, because they're the ones initiating the whole thing. So we don't bring up sex first. We don't bring up hanging out first. We don't bring up really anything that can be, you know, that, that caused them to go commit a crime. We, we just kind of hang back and let them do the talking. Like I always tell my employees, I, I'm like, hey man, you don't gotta convince anybody of these people to be a pedo. If they're a pedo, they'll let you know pretty quickly or it might take a while. But we never initiate.

[Nick Sorter]

They've actually started to prosecute on that. I was looking for a newer case on this, but I haven't found it yet. Yeah, where they are charging people. I think there was a Florida sheriff or something. I'd have to point the article. I'm doing this on the fly. But where they arrested somebody body. There we go. That's the one.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nick Sorter]

If you use an AI generated child porn and so they are arresting people for this.

[Ian Crossland]

Now this concerns me.

[Unidentified Guest]

Seems like that kind of guy.

[Ian Crossland]

Because I hate child pornography. I think that's like horrific. But I also, I'm like obsessed with freedom of information. And for people to have access to their own autonomous. Make and do whatever you want in. In your room alone, if it's not harming other people.

[Alex Rosen]

Well, I think the criminal intent to exploit children is what needs to be prosecuted with that.

[Nick Sorter]

It might.

[Alex Rosen]

Oh, I think the criminal intent of wanting to exploit children is why they need to be prosecuted with the AI child pornography. Because like I said earlier, this is just what I. What I've seen. Look, if we've all seen porn before, I don't watch porn. I haven't watched porn in six years. But if we've all seen porn, we'd all have sex with a female. Right? We've all had sex with whatever porn we watch. So if those people are watching AI child pornography, it shows. They are a very high risk to go offend against a child because that's what they attracted to. So. And look, I mean, they don't really know if it's AI or not, or even if they think it is, whatever. They still have intent to exploit children and they get off on the fact of child exploitation. That's why I think they need to be prosecuted.

[Nick Sorter]

Great answer.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't know. Because it's not really a child, it's just the video game of a cartoon.

[Phil Labonte]

They're a danger, though.

[Alex Rosen]

Yeah, yeah. It's the fact they would do something like that. I mean, the sex offender today that we caught, he's a sex offender for a reason, because he would do something to a child. And a lot of sex offenders we catch are. And a lot of people we get. I mean, God, even if they're not sex offenders, most of people we get are not sex offenders, but they've all done stuff to kids before. And our fake account bring. Our fake account is the tip of the iceberg with all the crap they've done. So it's the same thing with the AI child pornography. If they're caught watching that. That's very unlikely. That's the only thing they've ever done pertaining to children. Yeah.

[Nick Sorter]

I mean, could you. Would you make the argument that if they're talking to one of his decoys, that there wasn't an actual victim in the case?

[Tate Brown]

Right.

[Alex Rosen]

Criminal intent, I think.

[Ian Crossland]

No, I wouldn't take it that far. If they're, if they're actively pursuing another person. Person. That's different than watching a video. But.

[Alex Rosen]

But I Think being in the virtual cuck chair is in fact trying to go after another person. I think.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, the reason I brought it up is because we were talking about the people that wanted to see a public execution for Charlie Kirk's death as like just they wanted that satisfaction of seeing this guy. And I was like, well, what if you could deep fake the torture of this killer and you could watch in your own room this guy just being brutally tortured and get your rocks off that one way and everyone's like, like thinking about the implications. But if it's illegal to make your own deep fakes because it represents a crime, that's a dangerous path. Step by step, our, our ability to recreate environments would be, could be stripped away until you can't even say fuck.

[Alex Rosen]

I mean, I don't know, man. We had a guy we caught in Lano, Texas earlier this year, Chris Hannigan. He's going through the court process right now. He kind of looked like Tucker Carlson a little bit. We called him the Tucker Carlson pedo, but super liberal. Super liberal. He would definitely not like Tucker Carlson, but he created, I wouldn't say it was like, I mean it was definitely more cartoonish. But he put into chat GPT or whatever he used. He took our decoy photo, made him naked and put like a, just a dick sticking out on him and sent it back to us. I mean, he didn't get charged with the AI child because I, I, it wasn't realistic looking like at all. But it was more, it was a little bit more than law. It was kind of in between lolly, if you're familiar with that. Like it kind of hentai stuff and real stuff. But I mean a lolly. Yeah, yeah, but he, but you know, he's having all the stuff in his mind. He regularly creates this stuff, little boys naked and he went to go try to have sex with one when we caught him. So I think it'll just lead into that.

[Ian Crossland]

I guess if you took a picture of a baby or a kid and you just took the head and you photoshopped the naked body, that would also be a crime.

[Alex Rosen]

Yes, I would think so. Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Because it's exploiting. But that's a real baby's face. If it's a completely fake construct by a machine, I just, oh man. These things are going to become sentient too. These creatures that we're constructing.

[Phil Labonte]

There's. Yeah, I mean, you don't know that. You can't be sure that from the future film, you can't be sure that they, that they're going to become sentient.

[Ian Crossland]

They'll think they're sentient, if they think at all.

[Nick Sorter]

All right, you know what, guys? If you like the stream so far, make sure you hit that, like, button. Smash that, like, button and subscribe. We're gonna move on to the super chats now. Got a bunch of them here, a lot of them about Phil and, and, And Ian. You guys have been controversial tonight. Even more controversial than this guy. I didn't think that was.

[Alex Rosen]

We're on YouTube, so I've been very nice to Tim to preserve his channel. Okay, sure.

[Nick Sorter]

He appreciates that one. All right, this one we got from kill gannon84. Trump made the 100% tweet. After the market closed, Bitcoin dumped 15k. I think we see a bigger dump when the markets open Sunday night into Monday. Well, the bitcoin market doesn't close, but.

[Ian Crossland]

It does work relative to the US Market, the dollar market. So if there's another dip in the S and P, you'll see bitcoin. Well, you might see bitcoin go up.

[Nick Sorter]

I bought it tonight, so I'm hoping that's the case.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, bitcoin.

[Alex Rosen]

It'll eventually go back up anyway.

[Nick Sorter]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Right.

[Nick Sorter]

Well, like everything else.

[Alex Rosen]

Yeah.

[Nick Sorter]

The regular market. No, stocks only go up now. That's pretty much the rule of the US Government, so. All right, let's see here. All right, from Trent Lamelino. Lom Lomalino. I'm so sorry, Trent. My birthday is tomorrow. I'll be 35. Phil, what's some tips to learn how to scream and not kill? My throat. I listen to so much metalcore, I need help.

[Phil Labonte]

Drink a lot of water, stay hydrated. There's a DVD out there called the Zen of Screaming by Melissa Cross. I'm in the first. I'm. I'm in them. She's a great, great instructor. There are people out there that can teach you how to do it. But I would. I would go with Melissa Crosses. Zena Screaming. You can get it on the Internet. Just Google Zena screaming.

[Ian Crossland]

Have you ever put aloe in your water?

[Phil Labonte]

No, I started doing it, man.

[Ian Crossland]

It's amazing. Like, all that in your lung rides out on it.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I'm not a believer in. In tonics for your vocal cords because your. If any fluid gets into your voice box or into your windpipe, you're going to cough anyway, so. So I've always been the kind of dude that puts the kibosh on that stuff. I'm like, no, that actually doesn't help your Voice. You need to think of your vocal cords like an athlete thinks of an injury. If you have swollen vocal cords, what you need is rest. You need to drink water, and not because of anything that's going to get on your vocal cords, but you need to drink water so you stay hydrated. But if you sprain your ankle, you pull a muscle, you have to rest. That's what fixes it. Your vocal cords are just like any other muscle or any other tissue in your body. If you injure them, they're inflamed. What fixes them is time and rest. So.

[Nick Sorter]

Well, you know, I don't know if this really works for the. The metal core side of things, but I, I do know that Charlie Kirk drank mint Majesty tea with two honey. That was a very famous thing, actually, because he spoke so much and, you know, yelled a lot at, you know, during debates and such that he would drink, like, multiple of these a day. That was apparently his secret. So I don't know if that helps.

[Ian Crossland]

That's good.

[Nick Sorter]

All right, next one here, Evan, for us. Any chance y' all could see if y' all could potentially have Mark Gollaby of Texas on the show? He seems like a nice guy and candidate. He's running for the governor of the great state of Texas. Appreciate it. Well, I don't know who makes that call, but it's not me.

[Unidentified Guest]

Yeah, I'll take the name down.

[Ian Crossland]

Lisa. What was that? Mark?

[Unidentified Guest]

Lisa's watching. It's Mark Galobi of Texas. I don't know. Running for governor of Texas.

[Ian Crossland]

Texas.

[Unidentified Guest]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

We'll.

[Tate Brown]

We'll.

[Unidentified Guest]

We'll get and talk about it.

[Ian Crossland]

Thanks.

[Nick Sorter]

All right. From sailor. Motoko.

[Unidentified Guest]

Motoko.

[Nick Sorter]

Motoko. Ian, did you see that? Graphene just broke a fundamental law of physics. In ultra clean graphene, researchers found that electrical conductivity increased. Thermal conductivity dropped.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, man. You're going to be able to build sensors that can sense your brain waves with that material. It's so electrol. Electrolytically. Electrostatically sensitive. It's just a challenge is getting it to be clean. Like they say, you don't want any ripples in the product. So, I don't know, you need to use some sort of waveguide to produce it into clean, flat sheets. Also, you want to. I go on and on about it, but, yeah, we'll figure it out either through sound or some other wave guide to make sure that it's flat when it lands.

[Nick Sorter]

All right, from very specific questions here, guys. I like it. Scribbly Bear says apparently if you brew a 5050 blend of Phil's and Ian's coffee together. You'll receive godlike powers. I'm too afraid to add Mary's blend in there.

[Phil Labonte]

Then you'll be able to speak to the dead.

[Ian Crossland]

Bring them back to life.

[Tate Brown]

We'll just start a cast, brew test strips to make sure that you have no cuts of other blends in there. It's got to be pure Casper. It has to be be. And you can blend. Yeah, you can blend whatever coffee you want together as long as it's Casper.

[Ian Crossland]

A little graphene dream in your Casper blend. I like it.

[Tate Brown]

Little spice things up a little bit. Yeah, why not?

[Ian Crossland]

You should see me and Phil when the camera's off, man.

[Nick Sorter]

I don't know if I want to. What are you alluding to here?

[Ian Crossland]

You just use your man.

[Tate Brown]

It's a beautiful thing. I'm going to leave it there. It's a beautiful thing. I don't want to say what it is, but it's very beautiful.

[Nick Sorter]

People think after show type people think.

[Phil Labonte]

That because me and Ian will go back and forth, we don't like each other. But people think that about, like, a lot as well. Like, I'll go back, back and forth with a lot. I get along with him great. Like, just because we have. Like, just because we can have a. A discussion doesn't mean we dislike each other.

[Tate Brown]

We're like a bickering old couple.

[Ian Crossland]

On tv.

[Nick Sorter]

We are.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. In real life, we're just like, super chill.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't feel like I'm bickering with Ian. I'm just. Usually I'm just trying to understand what he's saying.

[Tate Brown]

Like, you're at a golden corral at ear shot. There's like an elderly couple. They're clearly in love, but they're going at it, you know, and it's just a beautiful thing.

[Ian Crossland]

That was a lot of wisdom. I feel like he's a w war warrior that's learning magic. As time goes on forcing. I'm like, magic spell, Phil magic. And he's like, give me my ax.

[Phil Labonte]

It's like, what? What are you talking about?

[Ian Crossland]

You're like, you can. You can. You can create slashing damage with magic. Anyway, I'm getting out of. All right.

[Nick Sorter]

Yeah, we're going right here. All right. From Michael McHenry. Per baby cast trad. We're in delivery. Her first, my third. Phil announced the pregnancy in February. So Phil could welcome to be determined James McHenry. Named for our founding father. Relation make babies great again. I agree.

[Phil Labonte]

Make more babies Congratulations. We appreciate when you are sending us super chats from the delivery room, we love to hear about babies. Now that you have this baby, as soon as your wife says let's do it again, make another one.

[Tate Brown]

So let's go. There you go. Welcome to the world page. We have a lot of work to do.

[Phil Labonte]

Right.

[Nick Sorter]

From Apple boy. I've been in new construction career for 15 years. We talk about this a lot. But no, these robots will never in our lifetime be able to handle the types of situations that construction, H Vac, electrical are in.

[Ian Crossland]

Okay.

[Phil Labonte]

Boomer?

[Unidentified Guest]

Oh, I've heard, I, I've heard this from people that say like, because of like the nature of, you know, you know, not every situation is the same. Like they can't learn that for this particular situation. But in reality these things can learn a lot more than we think they can. I think no one knows. And if you think and act like you know, you're gonna look, you're gonna have your ass handed to you because you're eventually gonna be wrong about something.

[Nick Sorter]

So I mean, my dad's a commercial H Vac tech and I've gone to work to him growing up as a child and I just, it would be, it seems like it's pretty far down the road. I mean, yeah, you see the robot picking up items in a house and stuff. I mean, I mean like commercial H vac or electrical work is a lot more complicated.

[Phil Labonte]

I understand what you're saying. But robots now can navigate, you know, the most complex traffic that you can throw at it. And that's what a Tesla does. Right. They're full self driving, navigates traffic which is not just a static thing. It's moving constantly. So it's making decisions and it's updating as it goes.

[Ian Crossland]

Those.

[Phil Labonte]

Right. If you, if you're talking about H Vac, like you could teach the thing principles and I'm not saying that it's there yet, but you could teach, teach a robot the principles and give a robot the, the, the architectural layout of the, of the house. Right. The blueprints. And then I don't see why it wouldn't be able to say, okay, this is the most efficient way to set up the, the H Vac system. And so you know, we're going to go ahead and do this and do that and I, I, I, I, it just doesn't, doesn't seem far fetched to me because, because of how complex roads and moving cars and, and all of those like all that stuff. If, if cars can, if, if cars can drive now Right. If you would get a robot that's shaped like a car right now, I don't see why there are any other things or there are many other things that AI can't do. I mean, right now, now, computers do math better than any human. Right? The most complex problems you can come up with, they do math better than any human. Most calculators can do math better than most humans, or any calculator can do math better than most humans.

[Nick Sorter]

But the question here with the Apple Boy was asking, or seemed like he was saying, yes, it'll happen, but not within our lifetime. What's your take on the timeline? What do you guys think?

[Ian Crossland]

It's very strange.

[Nick Sorter]

I think it seems like the timeline is speeding up.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, it gets faster. Quicker. We're accelerating and the acceleration rate is actually getting higher too, so it's accelerating faster. So it could happen in two years. Because what'll happen is the AI will develop other AI to do the task, and it'll be like, well, you need an adapter that fits onto the optimus's arm that can stretch out and curve around, you know, and it'll. It'll design its own hardware. Then you'll see, like, an exponential jump in productivity.

[Nick Sorter]

All right, let's see. I'm gonna make sure I get this right. There we go. Thank you for specifying Soupy. First off, my name is pronounced Soupy. Think pseudonym, psycho, etc. I love seeing Nick Sorter. Not a journalist. Thank you. On the show. And Tate, what an absolute young patriot. I love him doing twc.

[Tate Brown]

Thank you, sir. Thank you, Patriot.

[Phil Labonte]

I too, am a Tate fan.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, Tate's the.

[Tate Brown]

You guys. Thank you.

[Ian Crossland]

Shit, dude, that guy's all right.

[Nick Sorter]

Seven Legion Studios. Hi, Alex. Just curious, what was Tyler Robinson doing on a roof 200 miles from his home. Home with a gun if he wasn't there to shoot someone? In your opinion?

[Alex Rosen]

I don't know. None of the stories really make sense, but, you know, from what I understand, he was. Supposedly had this gun in his pant leg, which. The gun being 4.4foot 1 inches long with him being 150lbs and not too tall, doesn't really make too much sense to me. I think MK Ultra is a very real thing. But look, I think it's plausible he could be the shooter, but I think both the Trans. The Trans Mafia and Israel both had good motive to do it. So I guess we'll see.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Nick Sorter]

And by the way, Soupy, I wasn't actually offended by that. I'm just joking. All right, let's See here, Zoidberg, cartoon CP is still cp. Change my mind. I don't really. I mean, I think the only person here that disagreed with. Oh, what? Well, cartoon cp. Okay, you know what? I'll just let you speak on that.

[Ian Crossland]

What resolution if it's two, if it's a red block and a yellow block bumping into each other and they're like, the yellow block is a baby, the red block is an adult. Is that it illegal? Like Atari graphics? No, obviously, because it's just two blocks. So how realistic?

[Nick Sorter]

Because you have. You have anime stuff that people. Don't people watch anime porn?

[Alex Rosen]

Yeah, a lot of lollycon. Yeah.

[Nick Sorter]

Is there any. Is there anything illegal about that?

[Alex Rosen]

No, there's not.

[Nick Sorter]

Okay.

[Alex Rosen]

But it's like, very, very cartoonish. And, yeah, there. There is a line that has to be drawn somewhere, and the line isn't going to be perfect, but, I mean, I would put all those people watching Lolicon on a watch list, though. I mean, I think they're all pedophiles. You know what I'm saying? Like, the fact that we're catching.

[Nick Sorter]

You can weed a lot of people out that way.

[Alex Rosen]

Right? And the fact that we're catching people who watch Lolicon, I mean, I think that explains everything.

[Ian Crossland]

Alex, do you ever use the term pedo roast instead of pedophile?

[Alex Rosen]

No.

[Ian Crossland]

In Greek, philia is a type of love that's like the love of friendship. And Eros is a sexual love, erotic love. So I think they mask the movement by saying, we're just pedophile.

[Phil Labonte]

We just love.

[Ian Crossland]

We're just friendship, when in fact, they're erotically seeking erosion.

[Nick Sorter]

All right, we got. We got. Gone fall. Here it is. So this one's about you, Ian. Again. It's so obvious. Ian is playing devil's advocate so people can learn more about the implications. He's a really good actor. Is this true, Ian? Yes. Okay. You're one big psyop.

[Ian Crossland]

No, but I'm good at psyopping, that's for sure.

[Nick Sorter]

But I also.

[Ian Crossland]

I did want to point out the two potential, you know, negative outcomes from if the government employees all lost their job. Didn't mean to insinuate that it's going to happen in any way. Thank you for noticing.

[Nick Sorter]

I think you're probably the only one on that train. Let's see if you won anybody over with that. That theory that you had there about a shadow government policy popping up from useless bureaucrats that were fired.

[Alex Rosen]

GOP versus the dmv.

[Tate Brown]

They just make us wait in really Long lines to demoralize us. You forgot your paperwork.

[Nick Sorter]

Okay.

[Tate Brown]

Have the country. Fine.

[Nick Sorter]

All right. From Kevin Egolf. I think what Alex does is amazing. He's probably the best predator catcher out there. Friends and myself are starting our own pred. Catching. Org. Alex, what are your best tips for a newcomer, man?

[Alex Rosen]

Well, you know, the super chat actually has to go to me for me to give any tips on that, man. Dude, look, just. I would say the best thing to do. You have to have heart for it, man. It's not hard to go confront a predator. It's not hard to go pretend to be a kid online, but it takes a lot of actual effort. It takes a lot of stomach for it, and you got to see it all the way through. So don't just do this just to, like, you know, throw a guy on the Internet and not care about his prosecution, because they will go do it again. Exposure does not stop them from doing it, you know, not even a jail cell does, obviously, as evidenced by the guy we caught today. But, you know, I would just say have a camera and have some nuts and just go do it all the way through. Don't half ass it. I know it's cliche, but that's really the best advice.

[Nick Sorter]

All right. World Eater 359. I watched Zen of screaming.

[Phil Labonte]

There you go.

[Nick Sorter]

Does help. But mostly I think people think too much when they do, which actually fries your vocals more. Moore from Auburn, Massachusetts. Here.

[Phil Labonte]

Auburn. Nice. I mean, maybe, look, people can get. People can get too, you know, focused on. On too inwardly focused and. And. And injure themselves that way. But really, what you're trying to do is avoid an injury because it is. It is using. You know, it's. It's. It's just human tissue. Your vocal cords are just like any other kind of human tissue.

[Ian Crossland]

So.

[Phil Labonte]

So you want to make sure that you get enough rest. You want to make.

[Zoe]

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[Jeff Bridges]

Jeff Bridges. Why are you still living above our garage?

[Zoe]

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[Jeff Bridges]

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[Nick Sorter]

Wow.

[Zoe]

Impressive. Let me try. T mobile is the best place to get iPhone 17 Pro because they've got the best network.

[Ian Crossland]

Nice.

[Jeff Bridges]

Jeffrey, you heard them.

[Phil Labonte]

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[Zoe]

So what are we having for launch.

[Jeff Bridges]

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[Phil Labonte]

Sure that you get enough water.

[Ian Crossland]

So when you push the breath out, do you push it from your lower core or from your chest?

[Phil Labonte]

Diaphragm, throat.

[Ian Crossland]

You use the diaphragm?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, your, your throat shapes it. You shape your throat and then you push with your diaphragm.

[Alex Rosen]

Do you think anybody can just become like, like a, like a super good. Like, like have a stamp? Like do you think anybody can just have the stamina to work, work up the stamina to become like a heavy metal singer? Do you think genetics play a part in that?

[Phil Labonte]

So if it's your screaming, the, the voice, the, the sound, like the sonic qualities of your voice are heavily dependent on your genetics. But you can do a lot when it comes to like shaping your mouth, your, your throat, your, your mouth to get certain sound sounds. When it comes to the temp, the tenor of your singing voice or the, the you know what your singing voice sounds like. There are just some people that your voice just doesn't sound pleasing to the human ear. They will never be able to really sing. Now they can learn techniques and they can learn to sing better. But there are some people that are just never gonna have a pleasing sounding voice, you know, so, so do you.

[Alex Rosen]

Do specific exercises like to, to build up everything there?

[Phil Labonte]

Oh yeah, there's, there's, there's exerc. It's literally the stuff that's on the Zena screaming. I've been doing that for 20 years. Okay. But it's all diaphragm work. It's all making sure that my, my facial muscles and the muscles in my neck are strong because you have to be able to support holding certain shapes. You're in, in certain. Basically it's like holding a pose so that way you can have, make sure you're hitting the notes and keeping on the note or make sure that your scream is, is being held out as long as you want it. Stuff like that. So it's a very athletic, athletic thing to do. Singing is so interesting.

[Nick Sorter]

So we're gonna Try to hit a few more. Here we got David depatie. Following IRL tradition, my wife and I welcomed our twins to the world today at 10:56am Congratulations, David.

[Ian Crossland]

Twins.

[Tate Brown]

Two Patriots.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Nick Sorter]

Two Patriots today.

[Ian Crossland]

Look at that.

[Nick Sorter]

We will raise them. Oh, you moved it out of the way. Oh, sorry, I gotta finish this. This is cool. We will raise them to love the Lord and to love America. God bless. Bless you all at Tim Castle. I love these.

[Phil Labonte]

Teach him how to shovel the lawn early.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, get them 10 years old. Get them out there pushing the mower earlier. Just. Okay, I'm.

[Phil Labonte]

The sooner you can go ahead and just sit back and relax and watch them work.

[Ian Crossland]

Pay him a little something. Get that capitalistic, that ethos burning early.

[Nick Sorter]

All right. I'm not your buddy. Guy says late to the party. But I'm the. Am I the only one getting bombarded with leftist accounts lying on Twitter? This is not a new phenomenon. This has been every day. Has it been going on for two decades?

[Alex Rosen]

Very truthful up to the last two months, man, I don't know.

[Nick Sorter]

The liberals started lying all of a sudden.

[Ian Crossland]

The algorithm shifted last month and you know, I don't know if you guys know, but yet. But the Twitter algorithm in late October, November is going to switch to Grok where you can tell Grok. Change my algorithms to make less of this kind. And I want just rock and roll and then they'll just give you all rock and then you're like, okay, stop with that algorithm.

[Nick Sorter]

Grok.

[Ian Crossland]

Now go back to what it was before all that.

[Tate Brown]

Just no Indians.

[Nick Sorter]

None.

[Tate Brown]

No more Indians. No anymore.

[Alex Rosen]

There'd be no post on your Twitter feed.

[Tate Brown]

Would just be Nick Sorter.

[Phil Labonte]

Man, my feet is moving so slow now.

[Tate Brown]

Real.

[Nick Sorter]

Yeah. Okay. All right, let's see. Will Matrix. Those who keep calling themselves antifa but aren't really part of antifa need to remember that the real antifa says liberals get the bullet too.

[Phil Labonte]

They certainly do. Yeah.

[Nick Sorter]

Yeah. You don't fall in line with them. It doesn't matter. You said right or left. You're. You're an enemy.

[Phil Labonte]

Yep.

[Tate Brown]

All right.

[Nick Sorter]

From Hal Gailey. Capitalism doesn't include state created corporate persons or a presumption of no liability for bad actors in the market. Reid Mises.

[Ian Crossland]

I need to hear that one more time.

[Tate Brown]

Say that again.

[Ian Crossland]

Thank you.

[Nick Sorter]

Capitalism doesn't include state created corporate persons or a presumption of no liability for bad actors in the market. Reed Mises.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, yeah. We're in a corporatocracy for sure. Like a corporation being considered a person Is antithetical to a. A free market of any kind.

[Nick Sorter]

Wasn't that Citizens United? The. Wasn't that what when corporations became people?

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't know when that happened.

[Phil Labonte]

No, that was about the first Amendment. That was, that was saying that people that, that basically you can spend whatever amount of money you want on promoting your ideas. So that's, that's actually a property rights case. So.

[Nick Sorter]

But yeah, okay. Yeah. Xernex. Jeez, you people are making it difficult today. I think there needs to be a discussion on how or why corporations exist. Could they exist without government? How does a business become incorporated?

[Phil Labonte]

No, they couldn't exist without government. The whole point is, is to offer legal protections for the individual by incorporating. So you incorporate to protect yourself from. From being liable for certain things.

[Ian Crossland]

I just did some light reading on it and they. Corporations used to be considered. It was a definition of the word. And then at some point they morphed into what we know today as the modern corporation. But back in the day to incorporate. I wish I could recall this. It was different. It was different. It was the corporate corp. Because there's corporatocracy, which is what we live in and then there's corporatism, which is what used to exist in the 1850s. We're not corporatism. Corporatism was where like different segments of society would come together and incorporate. Like the, you know, the mining. The mining guild and the Jewelry Guild and they would all come together to create like government influence. That was corporatism. But now it's morphed into this system where corporations have kind of self governed in a lot of ways.

[Nick Sorter]

Well, awesome guys. This has been a fun show. I really appreciate the invitation to sit here in for Tim. I believe he's back next week, correct? Maybe. I mean you never, you never really know with Tim. I mean are the air traffic controllers working around here? Do we know?

[Tate Brown]

I guess we'll find out.

[Nick Sorter]

Yeah, he should be back in this chair here next week. And I'm Nick Sorter. I'm on X mostly because the other platforms like to ban me all the time. I guess takes a little too hot sometimes. It's X. Nicksorter. Really appreciate everybody watching today. Alex.

[Alex Rosen]

Well, thank you all so much for having me on. It was a pleasure meeting some of y' all and slash seeing some of y' all again. If y' all want to find us, it's predator poachers on YouTube. YouTube, that's P R E D A T O R Space. P O A C H E R S Just type it in. You'll find our channel. Go sub and yeah, really appreciate it, Ian.

[Ian Crossland]

Thanks for coming man. At Ian Crossing you'll find me across the Internet. Follow me on X, YouTube, Instagram, everywhere else at Ian Crossland. Happy to be here. Thanks for having me guys. This has been really fun. See if. Oh yeah, we gotta get tape brown this.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, it's weird. It's weird like all the. But yeah, super fun is so sick. Me with Alex, I'm a huge fan so stuff super, super sick. Keep up the great work jdn. I love jdn, he's fantastic. So yeah, follow me everywhere. Ealtatebrown. We had held down the morning show all week. So go to the culture war. Check out those interviews. Like I said, yesterday was really spicy one with the captive dreamer. Go check that one out. Yeah, Phil.

[Phil Labonte]

I am Phil. That remains on Twix. The band is all that remains available. Today I did a collaboration with Zillion. It's available on Spotify. You can go check it out. It's Z I L L I O N. The spell song is called Cannibals. I'm really psyched about the song. It came out really well. All that remains you can find on Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon music, Pandora, Deezer, YouTube and don't forget the left lane is for crime.

[Nick Sorter]

All right guys, and don't forget the Culture war live next weekend, Saturday, October 18th. Doors open at 2pm show three to five. It's a damn good time. I've been. Just make sure you get there with enough time. The venue does feel fill up. Make sure you have your tickets. I I would say they'll definitely sell out. This will be a fun one guys. Thank you so much for joining us tonight. We'll be back next week. Have a great weekend.

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[Ian Crossland]

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