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Trump THREATENS 50% Tariff Increase After Market CHAOS, Tells China BACK OFF w/ Chris Pavlovski & Ezra Levant
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Trump THREATENS 50% Tariff Increase After Market CHAOS, Tells China BACK OFF w/ Chris Pavlovski & Ezra Levant
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Ezra Levant
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Chris Pavloski
Call 1-800- Gambler who the MP sacks and others for conspiring to violate free Canadians free speech rights. So we'll discuss that and we have some guests here that we'll talk about that with. But before we get to that, the Supreme Court has had a couple different decisions. The Supreme Court lifts orders blocking Trump from deporting Venezuelans under the Alien Enemies act, which I believe the the justice or the justice that was doing that. I forget his name. Doesn't matter. Either way we'll get, we'll get to that. And also John Roberts has lifted the midnight deadline for the US to bring a man back was wrongly deported. So we've got some, some breaking news on the court front and RFK has decided that he's going to tell the CDC to stop recommending fluoride and drinking water. There's evidence that fluoride in drinking water has been actually decreasing IQs. So we'll, we'll discuss that. But before we do go buy coffee. Go on over to CasPrey.com and you can get Casprew coffee. You can. I think there's avail. The Ian's Graphene Dream is available. This is the big seller. Oh yeah, we got a bunch 2,000. They got a bunch of them in stock. So get over there, get yourself some Ian's Ian's Graphene Dream. You can get some Appalachian Nights. That's another one of the biggest sellers we've got. This is one of one of the most popular blends we have. So head on over to Casper Coffee and buy our coffee. It's delicious. And then head on over to Boonies HQ and you want to buy the 28th Amendment Board. If you like chickens, this is the one for you. The 28th Amendment chickens being necessary to the security of a free state. The right of the people to keep bear and breed chickens shall not be infringed. And that just speaks to the fact that we're free people and we can provide ourselves with food. And it's a play on the second Amendment because we're as free people, we can actually provide for our own defense. Then head on over to Timcast.com and join our discord. So you can call into the after show, you can talk to our guests, you can ask us questions and make sure you join up at Rumble Premium and that'll get you into the after show if you are not a member of the Tim cast website. So to talk about this and so much more, we have two guests today. We have Chris, Pav's Pavlovsky. I'm sorry about that. And Ezra. How you doing from Rebel News. How are you doing today?
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Ezra Levant
Well, you know what? It's going to be here in the heart of freedom of speech America, First Amendment, Amendment land.
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Chris Pavloski
It's a big deal, isn't it? We were talking about that before the show.
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Ezra Levant
I wish we had that in Canada. I think it, it's probably, if it could change one thing about Canada, it would be our lack of freedom of speech. I bet the Brits would say the same thing.
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Chris Pavloski
Yeah, if, in case you don't know, Chris is the CEO and majority owner of Rumble.com. correct. Is that the Rumble?
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Shane Cashman
Yeah, I wouldn't. Not majority. I have, I guess I have voting control. But you know, one of the largest shareholders of Rumble, we have a new shareholder in Rumble called Tether. Tether bought in earlier this year. And so, yeah, they're, they're also one of the largest shareholders at Rumble now as well.
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Chris Pavloski
Awesome. Well, thank you guys for joining us today. Shane, how you doing?
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Brett Dasic
I'm good. It's good to be here. Shane Cashman, host of Inverted World Live. We go live on YouTube and rumble every Sunday at 6pm last night I had the great Chris Carr on. We talked about the CIA allegedly remote viewing the Ark of the Covenant and Mars from a million years ago. So check that out. What's up, Brett?
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Phil
What's going on, guys? Brett here. Pop culture crisis, Monday through Friday, 3:00pm Eastern Standard Time. But we got a lot to get into. Let's do it.
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Chris Pavloski
All right, so the BBC reports Donald Trump has threatened China with an additional tariff of 50% on goods imported to the US if it does not withdraw a countermeasure. As global markets tumbled for a third day. Speaking at the White House on Monday, US President said that he was not considering a pause on new tariffs to allow for negotiations with other countries. We' at that we have many, many countries that are coming to negotiate deals with us and they're going to be fair deals, he said. Trump reiterated his threat of 50% duties on Chinese goods. If Beijing did not retract its counterterroriff plans by Tuesday. If imposed, US Companies bringing in certain goods from China could, could face a 104% tax. So do you guys feel like there has, has been enough movement from the rest of the world to, to justify beginning to make deals? I been hearing a, the news that it is time for Trump to call a win, say he's got a win, and start getting deals before the pain gets too much. What, what do you guys have sense on that?
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Ezra Levant
Well, I think Trump is a master of getting the other guy to blink. I don't know him as well. I mean, look, I'm a foreigner and I know from the Canadian point of view, he's put terror in the political class in Canada. By the way, I think that's boosted the fortunes of Canada's Liberal Party, which is not something I think Trump wants for the long term. But look, there's a volatility about him and you can see the countries that want to mitigate that. Taiwan, Israel, a lot of countries are saying we don't need to, we know how the story can end. Let's just fix it right now. I don't know. I'm hopeful, I'm hopeful that he knows what he's doing because it's pretty radical.
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Shane Cashman
I take a pretty, you know, a pretty strong opinion on the fact this is the only way to get everybody in the negotiating table. And he needed to do this in order to, you know, make America a lot better than it was. You, you as a Canadian like, and Ezra knows this firsthand. Every industry in, in Canada is controlled by an oligopoly of a sort. You have the telcos, there's only a few of them. You have the banks. There's, you know, they'll make the argument, oh, the US Banks are there. You walk down the street, there's no retail US banks. They're like Scheduled 2 or Schedule B banks. They're not part of the retail, the big five that are out in Canada, but the Canadian banks are all over here. You see td, you see bmo, you see Scotia, you see rbc, they're all in, in United States, but the US Banks are not. You know, you, if you're in the retail crowd in Canada, you're not going to be able, you're not been getting a debit card from any of those US Banks in Canada. And then you have the dairy industry, Saputo, all over the United States. They're nowhere. You don't see any U.S. milk companies or cheese Companies coming to Canada. I think Canadians don't see that. They don't understand that. And in order to drive everybody to the negotiating table, you have to do what Trump did. I think it's brilliant. I think it's the right move. I think if you're in the interest of America, that's the right move. You want to get, you want to make a better deal with every single country out there, because markets like Canada are closed to a very large extent, from television telcos to media to banking. There's no healthcare system that's owned by the government. Even as small as, well, not small, but even the dairy industry and the food industry is so regulated in Canada. U.S. companies aren't there. So this gives the opportunity for America to make better deals for the American people. And I think it brings a lot back home to America. It's good for America. It's not so good for the rest of the world and not so good for the very rich.
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Phil
I have a question then. So you said, do more countries need to come to the table before they start negotiating? Is that something he's looking to do all at once, or is it not something that they can handle one country at a time, one negotiation at a time?
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Chris Pavloski
From, from what I can gather, he's not looking to do things individually. He's thinking. He's looking to get a bunch of countries to the table. And actually, we've got a bit of audio and video from Scott Bessette, the Secretary of the Treasury. He was on Fox News, and we'll go ahead and play that now. Let me jump this thing up. And, Larry, I can tell you that.
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Brett Dasic
There are 50, 60, maybe almost 70 countries now who have approached us.
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Ezra Levant
So it's going to be a busy April, May, maybe into June.
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Brett Dasic
And Japan is a very important military ally. They're very important economic ally, and the.
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Ezra Levant
US Has a lot of history with them.
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Brett Dasic
So I would expect that Japan's going.
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Ezra Levant
To get priority just because they came forward very quickly, but it's going to be very busy. And if President Trump again gave himself maximum negotiating leverage, and just when he achieved the maximum leverage, he's willing to start talking.
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Chris Pavloski
Yeah. And so apparently Netanyahu was at the White House today talking about the tariffs as well. There's. I believe they've. They've decided that they're going to go 0 for 0. But I, I don't get the sense that they're looking to do it piecemeal. I think that because of the US Relationship with Israel, they typically have a very close relationship. So I think because of that they might have made an exception for Israel. They make exceptions for Israel all the time. So I don't think that that's representative of how the Trump administration wants to act more broadly.
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Phil
And he believes with large scale lever now that he has the ability to do this, which is why I think the media is, at least the corporate media is working so hard to put pressure on them by announcing the downturn in the stock market and all these things. Because it's bad for globalist interests.
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Chris Pavloski
Yeah. I mean if you look at the, I don't have it here, but if you look at the results or the day's numbers from most of the stock markets globally, they were mostly down by 5, 10%, whereas the United States is like the only country that's flat. And I think that has a lot to do with the administration Talking about a 90 day pause coming possibly, you know, the whole by the news or you know, buy the rumor, sell the news kind of thing is probably why they actually had the, the day that they did. But I don't, I don't get a sense that they're looking to do piecemeal. So I mean if they are, if they do have this many countries that are looking to have a conversation about it and actually ready to come to the, to the table. Do you guys think that this is that again now is that the time? If they, if they've got, you know, 70 countries, a lot of like a.
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Phil
Third of the world.
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Chris Pavloski
Yeah.
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Brett Dasic
You know, I think that's what percent wants. He talks about having three categories of countries. Right. The in like the green bucket, the yellow bucket and the red bucket and the green bucket are the countries that are, will be favorable to. Red bucket would be something like China. So it seems like that's they're going towards that route to do one giant sweep. But it's going to be more pain I think till we get there.
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Chris Pavloski
Yeah. Do you think that, do you guys feel like that's going to be something that's going happen quickly or do you think that Trump has it, has the, the wherewithal or does, do you think that the Congress will act? Because technically the President doesn't actually even have the authority to do this. This is the justification that he has that he's using to actually have these tariffs or implement these tariffs is a little specious. Congress is who is supposed to make, you know, add tariffs if there are. And Congress has threatened to act. And I'm wondering considering the influence that the, you know, people with money have on, on the, the government in, in the United States, the people that are hurting the most are the people that have stocks and as opposed to, you know, Gen Z, who doesn't really have a lot of skin in this game.
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Phil
It's okay, Boomers, you're just going to have to cut back on the avocado toast.
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Chris Pavloski
I feel like that's millennials more than anything.
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Phil
But, sorry, you're, you're going to have to pull yourself up by the bootstraps.
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Chris Pavloski
There you go. There you go.
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Ezra Levant
You know, it's interesting that the administration sounds like they're being very receptive to Japan. There's probably some non economic reasons for that too. I mean, Japan is probably the biggest bulwark, along with India to China. And I think one of the things Trump is trying to do is reorganize the world to make peace with Russia and then contain China. And obviously Japan's going to be a key to that. I think of Canada too, because believe it or not, the Canada U.S. trade relationship is even bigger. I mean, you might not think of it that way, but it is. And it's also a very free trade agreement. Trouble is, in Canada right now, there's an election campaign on and so you're not having sober minded negotiations on the other side. In fact, it's turning into a bit of a contest of which Canadian politician can be, I hate to say it, the most anti American. And there's a deep strain of anti Americanism in the Liberal Party to begin with. And this goes back to Pierre Trudeau, who was pretty anti American. You remember he was hanging out with Fidel Castro and going to the Soviet Union, going to Communist China. So I'm worried that right now you've got this new Prime Minister in Canada. His name is Mark Carney. I call him like Trudeau 2.0, but he's smarter and harder working than Trudeau and he's practically declaring war on America. It's shocking. I don't think it's, it actually speaks for Canadians. And I don't want Americans to take Mark Carney too literally. I hope this passes, but there's an ugly battle going on right now.
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Brett Dasic
Isn't Carney like a career banker too? Like this is past?
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Ezra Levant
Absolutely. In fact, he left Canada about a decade ago to go and be the governor of the bank of England.
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Brett Dasic
Right.
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Ezra Levant
And he's got three passports. He hasn't been back in Canada in a decade and he sort of come back and he, he became Prime Minister without an election.
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Brett Dasic
I remember seeing a Daily show interview with him, and he built himself as the outsider. I looked up, like, this guy's a banker.
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Ezra Levant
Money is his signature is literally on the money. So much of an outsider.
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Phil
One of the things I find most interesting about Canada's response to everything to do with Trump is like, it's instilled this weirdly nationalistic sense. And like their celebrities and their politicians, which I didn't notice before, but Canada as a whole has always done a good job of looking out for Canada itself. Like, if you look at the. The Canadian entertainment industry, they have quotas on how much music has to be played on a Canadian rad radio station that's by a Canadian artist. Same thing with their television. I honestly believe that Trump would love that, and he would actually love to do that in America because he has that same faith, that same love for America that they seem to want to instill in Canadians. So it seems almost hypocritical when they boast themselves as being hyper nationalistic now in response to Trump, when I think that their general idea is something Trump would actually support just for Americans and not for Canadians.
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Ezra Levant
Well, Chris talked a bit about some of the trade barriers. You can't get a mortgage in an American bank. You can't get a T Mobile, or you can't get a US Cell phone contract, which we need badly because in Canada, we pay some of the highest, you know, cell phone data rates in the world. We have huge protectionism for certain kinds of agriculture, dairy, poultry, eggs, and you might think, who cares? Well, that doubles or more the price of those things. It hurts poor Canadians the most. My hope is that some of the things that irritate Trump, that he's trying to negotiate away, are things Canada should get rid of anyways. I want more competition in the banking sector. I want more cell phone companies to bring down the rates. And I don't think that we should have double the price for food. If you want to talk about what helps working people get the cost of food and fuel down. So I'm hoping that one of the takeaways, one of the end games here, is that Canada removes. And you know what? One thing that Trump talks about a lot, Canada has one of the lowest expenditures on military, ranked by our GDP in all of NATO. You know, that balloon, it came over Canada before it went to the States. We didn't take it down. I don't know if we even could. I think Trump is right when we say Canada's been having a free ride. Now, it hurts Canadians to hear that. But. But Canada should do that for our own reasons, forget about Trump. Canada should get more grown up about those things.
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Chris Pavloski
The, the military spending in Canada and what Canada's military actually looks like in reality has been a topic that we've discussed a couple times here. The, the fact of the matter is, and this is probably something that, you know, that Canadians don't really want to hear, but Canada relies heavily on the United States military and it, and it doesn't really have to do anything other than say, well, we don't have to worry about it because is going to do it anyways. Like the United States doesn't, you know, spend the amount of money that we spend on our military in order to protect Canada. We do it because of the, the global implications, because we're the global hegemon. And Canada just says, well, you know, we're, we're right next to the US So we're safe. You know, and reasonably that that's a reasonable opinion. And it is something that, that if Canada is going to move away from the United States, which there's, you know, we can actually bring this up right now. The Canadian, Canada says its friendship with the US Is over now. And I don't understand what it is that they're, they're thinking is actually over. But this is from Politico. It's over after a half cent, after a century and a half of building an economic and military partnership that survived two world wars, the Great Depression, the Cold war and the 911 attacks, the United States and Canada are breaking up. So said Prime Minister Mark Carney in a national televised address to 41 million Canadian citizens from Parliament Hill last week. And it is almost all because of President Donald Trump's tariffs. The old relationship we had with the United States based on deepening integration of our economies and tight security and military cooperation is over. Carney declared on March 27. We must fundamentally reimagine our economy. We will need to ensure that Canada can succeed in a drastically different world economically. To me, and again, I don't want to sound condescending, but that sounds like complete like, sounds like it's completely and totally just posturing because Canada's proximity to the United States means that they're, they will forever have the ability to rely on the United States defense budget as its own defense budget to a great, great extent. And Canada is our biggest trading partner. So the idea that they can just say, well, we're not going to anymore because we don't like your president, I think that, that, that's a little outside of what you could consider reasonable. Yeah.
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Shane Cashman
And just add salt to the wound. I think like only a week or two weeks ago China imposed agriculture tariffs on Canada of a hundred percent.
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Chris Pavloski
Did they?
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Shane Cashman
And Carney, I don't think Carney made.
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Ezra Levant
Even a comment, said a word about it.
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Shane Cashman
No one has in the Canadian, any of the Canadian politicians for that matter. So it's direct. It's in a direct assault to the United States all the time right now for political purposes.
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Phil
There's no benefit to talking about it for them.
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Shane Cashman
100% tariffs. Think about that. There is no. Well, to me, it makes my, my, my hair like stand. Really genuinely upsets me.
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Phil
And what he's talking about here is America over hover two World wars, nine, 11, all these things. The moment they start looking out for their own economic interests, we now have to cut bait and run away.
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Ezra Levant
You know what bugs me about this story is the headline. Canada says Canada didn't say that. A Prime Minister who's been PM for what, two weeks? And like I say, he's been away from Canada for a decade. What did Mark Carney and I, and I know most of your viewers have never even heard that name before because he just sort of showed up and now he's speaking on behalf of all Canadians. I'm saying our, our century and a half alliance is over. Who the hell are you?
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Brett Dasic
Do you think having a Trio A Trudeau 2.0 will do to Canada what Biden did to this country and the population against it?
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Ezra Levant
Worse, because Trudeau 2.0 is smarter than Trudeau 2.1 at 1.0.
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Brett Dasic
Right.
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Ezra Levant
But the thing is, who was this Mark Carney? He was the chairman of something called Brookfield Capital, which is like a mini blackrock. Once you know that and once you study what Mark Carney did for a decade, this starts to make sense. Chris was onto something when he said China just put 100% tariff on Canada and Carney hasn't said a word. Mark Carney, Canada's new Prime Minister, I'm talking weeks ago, took out an enormous quarter billion dollar loan for, for blackrock from the Chinese government. He's met with President Xi Jinping. He says China is the future. Carney has not actually sold off his holdings in Brookfield. It would be like Larry Fink, the CEO of BlackRock, decides to run for president but doesn't sell his stock. Are you operating as an oligarch or are you operating as a president? That's the Ms. Mark Carney is so democratically illegitimate. Give me 30 more seconds on that.
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Chris Pavloski
Sure.
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Ezra Levant
Please Like I say, he was chosen as the leader of the Liberals. How? He wasn't voted on by ordinary Canadians. The Liberal Party had an internal vote. They allowed non citizens to vote. They allowed children as young as 14 to vote. So you had 14 year olds voting for Canada's new Prime Minister.
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Brett Dasic
Brand new for the first time. 14 year olds voting.
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Ezra Levant
I, I don't know how the Liberal Party did it for Trudeau, but believe me, I paid attention. This here's the crazy thing. 400,000 people registered to vote. Only 150,000 of them were verified. Who were the other? 250,000. Wow. When you've got more than half of the votes spoiled is you can't trust the results.
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Brett Dasic
So you're saying we should conquer Canada?
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Ezra Levant
You know what, there's one more thing that I have a beef with in this political story. The tariffs. It's not the tariffs that have made Canadians mad, in my view. It's the indecent proposal. When Trump says, hey, come join us, that's like saying to a married woman, ditch your man and come with us. It sort of wounds the pride. It's an emotional hurt. And I think what Trump meant is sort of a jab at Trudeau when he first said it. I think too many Canadians are taking that literally and they feel, you know, like their pride is wounded. How dare you say I should break up with my man and join America? So I think that's actually has fueled a lot of the bait. If you look at Carney supported baby boomers who are insulted by that indecent proposal.
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Brett Dasic
Is the opposition to Carney like the opposition party calling out that tariffs from China, like, is that all from at least one side? Yeah, that's crazy.
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Phil
You're probably right. Like, there's a large portion of the population that doesn't understand that Trump's rhetoric works a specific way, whether he's looking to distract from one story and push something to somebody else. He knows how to get out of a rise out of people. And a lot of the population, especially the boomers, don't understand that type of political tactic because they've been led into this false belief that you're supposed to be all polite in politics, despite the fact that that's really a misnomer and hasn't been true for a very, very long time. So in a, in a lot of ways, Trump's diplomacy can sometimes have a hiccup when it comes to the way he speaks, because it may work politically. If he's trying to push forth the big ask and something like that, and he's got economic leverage. But as far as, like, public support and getting people on your side, that can be a barrier. It's just that most people that support him, they don't care anymore. They're past caring about whether your feelings are hurt by someone's rhetoric. It's a bunch of people. If you're my age and you're like, I was never going to own stock. I was never going to own a home. I do not care anymore. The wailings of boomers don't matter to me. I want somebody to fix this or at least try something outside of the unit party proper to do something about it. The boomers are offended by the rhetoric. Newer generations don't care as much in Canada.
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Ezra Levant
I think there's a lot of that. It's. Housing prices in Canada are twice what they are in America.
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Phil
Wow.
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Ezra Levant
Try being a young person. You have no chance. Young people living with their folks till they're well into their 20s, even 30s, that is normal in Canada. Cost of living. And we've had mass, mass migration. It's just depressed wages, pushed up housing. And. And so actually, when Trump says, hey, become the cherished 51st state of love always says cherished. Because when was the last time Ottawa said to certain Canadian provinces, we cherish you like Trump? Trump knows what he's doing. Young people were the most receptive to Trump's offer. Young men in particular. And, you know, let me just say this to my American friends. I don't think you want Canada as the 51st state. You're going to get another California in terms of the. The Electoral College is going to vote Democrat. I don't know if you know this, but a quarter of our population speaks French and they insist on bilingualism. Are you guys ready for that? So I would say, look, let's get past this quarrel. And there's actually, I think Trump can get what he wants from Canada without a fight. He negotiated in the last USMCA trade deal, the oil sense. I think that's really what Trump wants. He wants defense and he wants the oil. And I think he can get both of those things without, you know, the 51st state business.
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Phil
What if we just give you guys California and we get the oil in the defense?
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Chris Pavloski
You have to give them the entire West Coast. Yeah, you'd have to give them, I mean, because Washington and Oregon are not considerably better politically than in California. And to be honest with you, Southern California, whereas the politics in California are terrible. I don't feel comfortable giving up California because that Is some beautiful, beautiful.
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Brett Dasic
The cities in California are terrible. There's a lot of red areas in.
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Chris Pavloski
California, you know, cities. Yeah, I'm not comfortable giving up San Diego. You know, 29 palms is out there.
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Ezra Levant
You know, but go ahead, give me two minutes. Sure, sure. Why does Canada have such a big trade surplus with America? Why is Trump, he's mad about the trade surplus? Because we sell you oil that's by far our largest export to you. Why? Because America still imports foreign oil. And my point is it's better for you to buy Canadian oil. I call it ethical oil rather than OPEC conflict oil. I mean, if you have to spend 50, $100 billion a year on oil from someone, don't give it to the Qataris, don't give it to the Nigerians of Venezuelans. Buy it from your friends in Canada. First of all, you don't need to station the US Navy in the Persian Gulf to act as, you know, globo cop. The US spends $50 billion a year patrolling the Persian Gulf sea lanes.
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Chris Pavloski
Yeah.
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Ezra Levant
How about just build that Keystone XL pipeline and get the oil from Canada without a fuss? You'd save 50 billion a year just in your Pentagon. And if you wanted to still mess around in foreign affairs, you could do so electively. And all that dough, well, it could go to Canada, and then you could say, okay, Canada, we're, you know, we expect you to rejuvenate your military with this. I don't think Canada needs to fight with the States. And you put a tariff on that oil. It doesn't really make sense because you can't. You put tariffs on a factory, okay, you get the factory to move to America. He put a tariff on Canada's oil sands. That's where all the oil is. You can't move the oil sands into America. So it's not really going to work. It's just going to increase the price to those American refineries. So I think you got to think of it like a real estate mogul. How would Donald Trump look at Canada with his America first real estate deal on, like he's talking about Greenland in sort of the same way. But the real action is those Alberta oil sands, 170 billion barrels worth of oil. If you double the production of that and sell it to the States, you completely displace any other foreign oil imports to America. It's a 10 or 12 or $13 trillion deal, depending on the price of oil. 50 years. America doesn't have to buy any foreign oil from anyone where else. Yeah, it's Already free trade covered by the usmca. I think that's the deal of the century. Bigger than Greenland.
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Chris Pavloski
And there are a lot of people that are talking about the electric electrical output of China is going to, I think they're going to go up by like, I think it's going to triple or quadruple over the next 20 or so years. They're building a, they're building a dam in China that's bigger than the Three Gorges dams. And the output of that, just this one dam would be enough to power Germany and in the future, in the next 20, 30 years with AI being possibly the, the leader of, of, you know, global tech and stuff that is extremely energy intensive. And in the United States it's impossible to get any kind of significant generating station built. You I've, I've heard a lot of people talking about nuclear power, which I think is great, but you're still talking about, you know, five to 10 years. If they, if they just got rid of all the permitting and just, you know, rubber stamped everything and expedited everything, you're still not going to get any electricity out of a nuclear plant for at least five to 10 years.
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Phil
So is that mostly because of red tape?
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Chris Pavloski
Yeah. If I understand, if I understand correctly.
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Shane Cashman
If you remove the red tape, how long does it take?
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Chris Pavloski
I think that the construction is five years. So like to actually build the, the necessary infrastructure to go and take care of a nuclear plant is like something like five years. And then with the red tape, I want to say it's like 10. But again I'm, I'm not, I'm not an expert, this is what I've read. But even still, like the US is lagging behind China when it comes to power generation and esri. The, the stuff that you were talking about with, with oil production and stuff that would be at least some help for, for actually generating power here because we still do a lot of coal fire plants and stuff in the US and petroleum products are what a lot of our, our infrastructure runs on. I mean most, not most, but a lot of houses use just diesel fuel for heat. You know, home heating though they call it home heating oil, but diesel fuel with a dye in it. So yeah, but anyways, we're going to go ahead and jump to this story. Rumble and REBEL NEWS Sue M.P. sachs and others for conspiring to violate free speech rights. This is From Rumble TORONTO, April 7, 2025, Globe Newswire. Rumble Canada, the high growth video platform and cloud service provider has joined Rebel News Network and its founder Ezra Levant in suing the Government of Canada, member of Canadian Parliam, Yara Sachs, and other officials for conspiring to deprive them of their constitutional right to free expression. The lawsuit filed today in the Ontario Superior Court of Justice alleges that the defendants unsuccessfully tried to block two lawful and peaceful public gatherings celebrating free speech in the Toronto area last year simply because they disagreed with the political points of view of the organizers and participants. The suit alleges that the officials tried to thwart the event, which included Donald J. Trump, Trump Jr. As a featured speaker, by imposing unreasonably high charges for security measures that were not needed and designed only to prevent the events from taking place. The plaintiffs are seeking reimbursement in the amount of $37,177.80 for the excessive security cost, $250,000 in punitive damages and legal expenses, and have requested a trial in Toronto. So, Chris, tell me more.
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Shane Cashman
Yeah, so we hosted an event with Ezra and Rebel News Live back in. Was it it the summer of last year? And it was a great event, packed event, sold out event. We had Viva Frey come up, come out. We had Glenn Greenwald come out. We had Donald Trump Jr come out, Kimberly Guilfoyle. We had a great lineup and it was really just, you know, advocating free speech and promoting the rumble shows. And it kind of dovetailed into the Rebel News Live event. And, you know, we ran into some obstacles prior to the event. And from my point of view, it was very odd and something didn't make sense. And it wasn't until post event that Ezra was able to unravel quite a bit. And since he was behind a lot of the Freedom of Information requests and what he found, I'll let him take it from here and kind of explain what we found.
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Ezra Levant
Sure. Thanks. Every year we do this fan gathering of our most enthusiastic viewers, and there's never a problem. Of course, this year we held it at a venue that was on a former Canadian military base, but 30 years ago it was an army base or air force base. Now it's sports venues, event venues. I didn't think about that, but that's important. Hold that thought for a second. So we go ahead and we do a deal with the event venue and we add in, as we often do, a little free speech clause in the agreement saying, you can't cancel us just because some people don't like us, because sometimes Antifa tries to shut us down. So we signed this great contract. We're all excited, sold out. Wow. Don Junior's coming up to Canada. But then the operator of the venue says, guys, I'm being told that you need an extra 40 grand in security. What? There's no need for that. That's insane. We already have security.
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Shane Cashman
Let's just add that we already spent a ton on security, just like, for our own purposes. Yeah, like, we, We. Oh, yeah, we hired police. We did. We did everything that was required to do.
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Ezra Levant
I mean, some VIPs, like Don Jr, but I mean, it was a very secure thing. And 40 grand, like, there's no way the conference would have been able to support that. And the. The venue or operator, he said it's the landlord, the underlying landlord, because it used to be a military base, it's still owned by the government of Canada. So the government agency that owned, like, the substratum heard about this event, and it was only later, when we did freedom of information requests of this government landlord, that we found hundreds and hundreds of pages of emails. How do we stop this? These are undesirables. We've got to find something in the lease. We check the lease. It's. It's clean. We can't get them that way. We'll try this. Okay, well, we'll say that there's protesters coming. And then we. We did.
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Chris Pavloski
And they put that stuff in email.
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Ezra Levant
They put it.
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Shane Cashman
If you scroll down a little bit, it'll actually have some quotes of if.
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Chris Pavloski
It happens on or near a property. We might attract an undesirable crowd. Wrote one official in an email to colleagues. I am wondering if you think there is any language within the lease agreement that would permit us to stop this event from happening. Wrote another. Based on my review, I don't think there. But I would appreciate your opinion. It's remarkable that they would put that in electronic communications at all, considering that you have something like a FOIA request in Canada. Yeah.
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Phil
I was surprised you even had.
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Chris Pavloski
Yeah. Honestly, kind of shocked me legitimately.
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Phil
Yeah.
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Ezra Levant
I don't think, like, this is the. The government agency that manages real estate for the government. I don't think they get a lot of Freedom of information requests.
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Brett Dasic
Did you get pushback on the foia?
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Ezra Levant
No. Well, actually, they blacked out most of them. So what we see here is the stuff they're least ashamed of.
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Chris Pavloski
Oh, my.
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Ezra Levant
The thing is, in the lawsuit, they will not be able to black out anything other than legally privileged material. So if this is the tip of the iceberg. And. And then they kept saying to us, oh, no, there's going to be this massive police threat, we have freedom of information from the cops who as late as the day before said, we haven't heard anything, not even chatter. All the antipotypes in the city were at the University of Toronto Hamas encampment. They weren't going to schlep up to this military base. So the whole thing was made up. It was designed to get us to cancel the event. And I gotta say, it would have worked because Rebel News doesn't have an extra 40 grand kicking around for BS security. But rumble stepped up and said, this event's got to happen in the name of free speech. We can't be hounded out of Canada. And so Rumble stepped up and I was. I was honestly of two minds. On the one hand, I was thrilled the event went forward. It was a great event. But on the other hand, to pay a ransom was against my fiber. But we found out what went on through these FOIA requests and now they. We've named five different bureaucrats, plus the local member of parliament. That would be like a local congressman saying, tear up that contract. It's none of your damage.
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Brett Dasic
Was it finding out that where it was located that made you look into it and want FOIA requests, knowing that was government property?
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Ezra Levant
Well, I did. I never even thought of that. Like, who thinks about who owns the substrate when you're doing an event? I never even thought of it.
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Brett Dasic
Right.
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Ezra Levant
It's called the Canada Lands Company. I mean, I barely knew what they were.
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Brett Dasic
Interesting.
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Ezra Levant
But when they started making threats, our venue operator was scared. They were bullying him. He's a normie. He's a normal guy. He's not used to this. When we had him sign this non deplatforming agreement, he. I don't think he really knew what it would be like. And when the government of Canada says, you cancel that and you're a normal guy, you get scared. And only because of Rumble were we able to go through with it. And the very last day of our event, the local member of Parliament does this rant on Twitter about how we're racist and we don't. We're not allowed in the district. Who the hell are you, lady? So we'll have a chance to find out her answer to that question, who the hell are you? Because we named her in the lawsuit. I feel great about this. And. And I'm giving Chris a shout out because there's no way we would have had the means to do this on our own. And I know he's fighting for free speech in Brazil and in France and other semi free countries. I Just never would have thought. We need. But this is what I said earlier there. We need the First Amendment in Canada.
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Chris Pavloski
That I, that's something that I want to touch on. But, Chris, he mentioned that you're. You've got multiple. I know about the one in Brazil. Right. Because the, The Supreme Court of Brazil is coming down on Rumble because of people that you host, right?
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Shane Cashman
Yeah. So Alexander, the Supreme Court justice, dresses.
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Chris Pavloski
Like he's from Star Wars.
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Shane Cashman
Yeah. He. He went and shut us down in Brazil completely because we didn't censor.
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Chris Pavloski
It's actually.
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Shane Cashman
The story dates back many years ago, and we actually shut down Brazil and walked away from that market because they were telling us that we needed to take down Craters. And we said no. So at that moment, we decided, all right, you know, we're American. We're based in Sarasota. We're not going to. We're. We're going to follow American law, not Brazilian law. We're not sub. We're not going to be subject to Chinese law or North Korean law, Russian law.
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Chris Pavloski
Now, Glenn Greenwald, he does a lot of his. His content on Rumble, and he's in Brazil, correct?
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Shane Cashman
Yeah, but he broadcasts to an American audience. So it's a. This was a. The, the restriction they wanted us is to block in Brazil.
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Chris Pavloski
Okay.
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Shane Cashman
Of which we. We did not comply. We. We ended up shutting down completely. And then they sent us a notice and they said, you're back. You're allowed back in Brazil. We. The notice that we sent you is now, you know, does not stand anymore. And it was with respect to A one. One of the Craters. Monarch.
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Phil
Didn't something like this happen with X in Brazil or my.
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Shane Cashman
Yes. Yeah. They took a completely different approach. They're completely complying with the Brazilian government right now. Whereas Elon withstood it for about a month and then caved and then ended up complying. What we ended up doing is they sent us a letter saying, Monarchs. God. Like this. Miss. This old order that we sent you is no longer valid and no longer needed to be enforced. So we open up Brazil on Friday or Saturday morning. By Sunday night, we get another letter saying, you need to shut down this guy now. And we're like, we already opened up and we've already done this once. And this was like we decided to sue them in a US Court. So we ended up filing for a tro, an injunction in a US Court. And nevertheless, the Justice Moraes still pushed through on his courts to shut us down at the telco level in Brazil. So we're completely Inactive. And he's fining us daily, I believe, in the Brazilian market for not. Not for. He wanted us to provide data, we're a US Company to provide data to him about a user that's in the United States.
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Chris Pavloski
That.
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Shane Cashman
And he wanted all the data from that user in the United States and all the subscribers and people watching him from within the United States.
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Chris Pavloski
Okay.
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Shane Cashman
And that's just totally not tolerable. I believe that same request went out and they find X for that, too. I don't know what X's approach was on that, but I know what our approach was. We're like, go pound sand. See you later. We're not going to comply with this type of stuff. So that we've dealt with Brazil. We're dealing with the same thing in the courts of France as well. We're shut off in France, so we're not available in France. And the French story is ironic. Two years ago, we had, like, every media organization write about how Russia, how Rumble supports Russia, and we're Russian puppets. And about a year ago, the standard line. Yeah, that's the standard line, you know, all the time. And it was because we wouldn't shut down, you know, political channels that were supportive of Russia because it didn't violate any of our policies. And we told France no. So we shut down France and, you know, a year later, the Russians come to us to shut down channels and they end up shutting down Rumble entirely because we don't comply with the. The Russian requests. So that narrative of us being Russian puppets went right to the garbage pretty quickly. Meanwhile, YouTube was still functioning at the time in Russia, so obviously they were complying and Rumble was not complying with the Kremlin. So I find that ironic. And then now, you know, we've taken the battle to the Canadians up north, north with. With rebel news. So, you know, we're pushing as much as we can. We've also done a lot, a lot of work here on the legal front in the United States. We fought Leticia James in New York State against one of her censorship bills, and we won that. And then she appealed it. And I haven't checked on the status of that, but what was the.
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Chris Pavloski
What was the. The actual.
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Shane Cashman
It was something on the lines of. It's. It was something on the lines of moderation and forcing us to, you know, take requests. I don't know the exact details, but it was like. It was something that definitely violated like, you know, the First Amendment. Sure, sure. In. In we. It was Rumble and the fire organization that fought back against the New York State. And we won that, which was, was awesome. And then she appealed, obviously, of course. But yeah, we're, we're. And then we did another one. There's so many of them that we've been fighting, but it's a battle. And then now the battle is in Canada. I think it's, I think we're at a real interesting juncture in worldwide politics. Now that Trump has won the election, he's kind of resetting the game. And a lot of these, you know, I don't know, I don't know what to call it, but like this globalist agenda that is around the world, from Canada to Brazil to France to Europe, they all kind of like, you know, have one set way of doing things that is very pro censorship, very anti free speech. It's about grabbing as much control as possible. Now there's like, you know, a real fight against that with the United States. The United States is. There's nothing more, there's nothing more important than that Constitution. Like after seeing the whole world and having a, you know, you might have a good constitution in other country, but you might not have a justice system that's defending it properly. Properly, you actually have a justice system that is defending the Constitution. You know, the Supreme Court is making the right rulings around the First Amendment for, for the most part. So that's really important. But after seeing that in America and seeing how it is in the rest of the world, it's. We don't realize how great it is here it is, it is a fantastic thing and we need to push that. And you know, I do believe it's in the Canadian Bill of Rights.
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Ezra Levant
It's one of the things where, but.
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Shane Cashman
It'S been trampled on and it's not being upheld.
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Chris Pavloski
So what is the actual, you know, the, the freedom of speech protection in Canada? How's it, how's it worded and, and what's the backstory on it?
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Ezra Levant
Section two of our Charter of Rights looks great. Talks about freedom of thought, belief, faith expression, media freedom, association, freedom of assembly. That all sounds great. But section one says subject to such limitations as may be demonstrably justifiable.
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Chris Pavloski
So in section 1 of your constit constitution or your Bill of Rights, it says anything that follows this is all dependent on the state.
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Ezra Levant
Section one says we reserve wiggle room. But other than the wiggle room, we really like these freedoms of speech. So we have, so if the government can demonstrably justify their infringement, they can do it. So we have a lovely freedom of the Press until the government says, well, something's more important. Important. And we saw that during the pandemic. We saw so many atrocious violations of civil liberties. And the truckers who were peaceful, by the way. Yeah, yeah, they just honked their horns. There's some parking violations, I grant you that. And they honked their horns. The Canadian government brought in martial law, the Emergencies act, which had not even been used during 9 11. And they deployed riot horses, they seized bank accounts with legal. Without legal process. I believe that if we had a First Amendment, that wouldn't happen. Now, by the way, later on, about a year later, our federal court said, okay, that was unconstitutional, even under the Wiggle Room Charter. But Canada does not have the culture of freedom that Chris was talking about. You've got to have that in your law schools, your law professors, your judges, your lawyers. And it's such a battleground in America right now. Like, who is the boss? These district court judges are Donald Trump. Trump. Like that. And. But it's not just Donald Trump. It's Trump the winner of the election, or can any one of 600 district judges veto him? In some ways, that's more powerful than a Supreme Court judge because they got to work in pacs of nine.
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Chris Pavloski
Yeah, yeah.
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Ezra Levant
I mean, so to have that culture of freedom in your law is so important. And the bad guys have had a long march through the institutions.
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Chris Pavloski
Yeah, I mean, the, the articulation in the First Amendment in the United States where it says Congress shall make no law that is impactful. And I think that most Americans don't think about how important that language is because it's, it's our Constitution, puts the people before the government. And I don't know that I'm not familiar enough with other countries to say whether or not that's the case, but it sounds clearly like in Canada, the government is. Gave itself room to. To violate whatever laws and rulings it wanted. Right. In the first clause. And in the U.S. like I said, it says congress shall make no law. And it's it that that language is extremely important.
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Phil
And the, the Patriot act did a lot of damage to us as well.
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Chris Pavloski
Well, there's times where, yes, I, I agree completely. And there's times where we've fallen short, but we have generally been pretty good about correcting the errors as well. That's another thing that, that I think the, that again, I'm not. This is not in any way trying to say that any of the violations of our Constitution are okay, but by and large, we've been pretty Good. About correcting them. There's a couple things that I could. That jump to the top of my mind that, you know, that are. That they haven't managed to fix yet here in the US like, for instance, civil asset forfeiture. That goes against the due process clause. You know, the government can just take your stuff and say, well, we think that you're. You're in the business of. Of dealing drugs or whatever, so we're going to take your stuff. And then instead of actually having a court case against you, they have a court case against your inanimate object stuff. You know, if you're traveling with cash, well, we can just take this. And so that's one of the. The more egregious things. But there really are only a few that, that don't get corrected. And we've. We've had some significant fights. I think of Skokie, Illinois, the, The Supreme Court saying that it's acceptable for Nazis to, To, you know, to demonstrate in a mostly Jewish town, which is, you know, I don't think that. I'm not sure that that would stand today in the United States, and I know that it wouldn't stand anywhere else in the world. But those kind of precedents, they matter here in the US and they, and like you said, it's. It does speak to the culture that we have here.
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Phil
I do think that there was a concerted effort after the Patriot act was passed to remove that culture, not just in the institutions, but amongst the citizenry, to get them. You know, what was the saying was always, well, if you're not doing anything wrong, what the heck are you worried about? And that was something that was instilled in whether it was millennials, you know, for the sake of safety and their parents and Gen X that they wanted you to believe that, you know, in the name of safety, getting rid of those founding principles is okay because we're the government, we're not going to abuse it. And that's something that I think they underestimated just how much the love of those beliefs truly did run in the country.
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Brett Dasic
I hate that phrase because they always redefine what's wrong.
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Phil
Yeah, exactly.
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Brett Dasic
The goalposts. And I remember seeing the breakdown in Canada with free expression in the compelled speech argument. That was insane. What was that, Bill C. 16 or something?
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Chris Pavloski
17.
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Brett Dasic
Yeah, that was crazy. How was that dealing with that?
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Ezra Levant
Well, that's getting worse than ever, really. And, and now judges are being trained in that. So once the judges are being trained with that ideology, how do you even have a Fair hearing.
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Brett Dasic
The institutions are captured.
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Ezra Levant
You know, can I tell you one of the things I love about America?
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Brett Dasic
Of course.
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Ezra Levant
It's a 1971 court case, and in some ways, it feels like the apex of freedom of speech. I'm going to swear here, here. There was a fellow who went into a court in California with a shirt that said the draft didn't. And he was found in contempt. And there was. And it went all the way up to the Supreme Court. And the Supreme Court said, you know, one man's profanity is another man's lyric. They said he needed to say the F word because that is what captured the depth of his emotions. He didn't want to say, excuse me, I do abuse. Object to the draft. He needed to say no. The draft.
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Brett Dasic
Right.
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Ezra Levant
And imagine a Supreme Court saying no to a lower court. You must accept a man saying the draft on his shirt. Like, that is a. That is so far out there. But isn't that America? Ain't that America?
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Phil
What. What is the Canadian public's view on these types of things? Like, as a whole, like, what are the. What is the citizenry feel of these types of things? Do they care as much as Americans do?
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Ezra Levant
I'm afraid that, you know, Canadians probably think, well, we're more. We're more polite. So we would not accept that. Well, that's a soft tyranny. I go to the UK from time to time. I follow the case of a journalist and activist named Tommy Robinson, who is in solitary confinement right now because a judge ordered him not to post a video to Twitter, and he did anyways. Nine months in solitary. You're not supposed to spend nine months in solitary. It'll drive you mad, bad, which is what they're trying to do. I come back every time and I say, when I go to the uk, it's like I've got this dystopian time machine. I can see our future if we don't correct the path. I say, well, we're five years down the road from the uk. Maybe Americans are ten. But I would. You know, the crazy. The cases that Chris talked about in Brazil, maybe there's no way an American would say, well, that's just like us. No, Brazil. Brazil's hard to understand. They speak a foreign language. It's very far away. You probably don't know anyone from Brazil, but you know people from Canada. You probably know people from the uk And I would say, study that, because I put it to you that that is the pat. That the UK used to be wonderful for free. Speech. But there, it's eroding and there's a bunch of reasons for that. The Times of London just did a study. On average, every day of the week, week, 30 people in the UK are arrested for something they do on social media. 30 a day.
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Brett Dasic
Evil.
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Ezra Levant
Where? How far till America is there?
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Chris Pavloski
We were talking about this a little bit before the show and you mentioned, or someone mentioned, that it's possible that not even 30 people in Russia are arrested per day in Russia.
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Ezra Levant
Social media posts wouldn't be. I wouldn't be surprised. The uk, look, they've got some real issues of race.
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Chris Pavloski
Now, granted, in Russia, you know, know, Putin kills people. So it's not to say that Russia's better than the uk. The UK doesn't, you know, poison themselves.
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Brett Dasic
I thought.
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Chris Pavloski
No, I don't, I don't believe it. I think, I think Putin's actually the culprit behind that stuff. But, but it does speak to the, the, you know, the UK may be softer in its, in its punishment, but it's not more lenient in. To people that break the rules.
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Ezra Levant
If there was a Russian named. I don't want the Russian of Tommy Robinson, but if there's a Russian, Tommy Robinson, a journalist sentenced to nine months solitary confinement for putting a video on social media, I think he would be championed by Western civil rights groups. No, Amnesty International, the like. Why. Why did we turn a blind eye to him? But you don't have to pick Tommy Robinson. I mentioned 30 a day. Hey. Douglas Murray is spot on in the uk. He says that there's some massive problems because of race and mass immigration and they have a phenomenon there called rape gangs that I don't want to talk about at length right now. Douglas Murray says it's very difficult to talk about those primary problems, to fix those primary problems. So the government prefers the secondary problem of people being rude and people being mean on social media. It's easier to arrest someone who talks about a rape gang than to stop the rape gang. And Douglas Murray is right.
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Chris Pavloski
If I, if I understand correctly, there, there are problems with policing the, the rape gangs because they're afraid of being called a racist. And some of the rape gangs have been in operation for upwards of a decade. Is that is, is that. Is my understanding correct?
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Ezra Levant
It is. There's a city called Rotherham, about a hundred thousand people, depends on how you measure the city, 100,000. So there's 50,000 women in that town. And then do the math. How many women between a certain age, 1400 girls were raped in that town. 1,400. And they kept it under wraps for years. And later there was a government inquiry. How the hell did this go unreported? And if you look, I read the report, you can find it online. Just type in raw the report. R O T H E R H A M Inquiry Again and again. The nurses, the social workers, the police, they all said, I was afraid I would be called racist because 80% of the rapists were Pakistani Muslim men and the girls were white working class girls. So it was the perfect storm of political correctness. If you complained about it, you would be called racist. And so they didn't complain and thousands of girls were turned over, over to these rape gangs for years.
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Phil
And you know how they're, what they're doing about that now is they're working with Netflix to make the show Adolescence available for everyone to watch there, despite the fact that it's taking one very specific issue and making about something completely different. Mainly what they call incels.
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Chris Pavloski
And yeah, that thing is, that is rife with problems of its own. A 13 year old kid is, this is the subject of the show and they're calling him an incel. A 13 year old kid. Kid has no business be being, you know, having sexual intercourse in the first place. Incel means involuntary celibacy. You should not be even hoisting that, that phrase on a kid, first of all. And second of all, the kid was in the story. The kid was being bullied by the woman that, the girl that he killed. So she was bullying the kid mercilessly. That has nothing to do.
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Ezra Levant
You avoided the central fact it's based on, on a black killer and they made him white in the net.
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Phil
The, the, the, the creator of the show didn't specify any one incident, so that's not necessarily true. But you're, you're right, but you're not right. But the point is, is that Keir Starmer is making this a huge part of like what's going on in Britain right now. Exactly. And, and what you're saying is that you're saying that they're focusing on one thing when what they should actually be focusing on is something else. They're distracting you with this when the problem is something much, much different, much more easily defined, but much, much harder to talk about.
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Ezra Levant
Yeah, it's, it's tough over there. And you know, there was, there was a horrific stabbing in a town called Southport. Someone went in to, it was a Taylor Swift themed party for young girls. He went in and stabbed and stabbed and stabbed and it, it led to race riots.
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Chris Pavloski
Yes.
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Ezra Levant
And star. Keir Starmer, the Prime Minister who used to be the chief Prosecutor of the UK, set up 24 hour a day courts to pack through as many people as possible. No, no, I'm not talking about the stabber. I'm talking about people who talked about it on social media. And he was sentencing people to two years in prison for having a bigoted reaction to this stabbing by a Muslim convert. You're not solving the original problem them, you're trying to mask it. That's why I call it a dystopian time machine. Yeah, look what's happening there. And think, do I see the trend over here? I feel it in Canada. I can only imagine the places you deal with, how far it is down the line.
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Shane Cashman
You know, Canada is a, interesting place. To answer your question a little earlier, I like, I think there's a good base of Canadians that think very similarly to Americans. I would say like 20%. But you know, when I start watching the political discourse in Canada now during this election that's coming up and watching like the, the Conservative Party and then watching the Liberal Party and having a tough time knowing the difference, you know, makes me think maybe it's not 20%, I don't know. But the, the trucker protests and all the previous things that have happened in Canada over the last four or five years, I, I think it's a good 15 to 20%. Ezra, what would you say?
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Ezra Levant
You know, and it depends on the region. I'm originally from the west, from Alberta, which is sort of the Texas of Canada. And it's, and it's very free loving. The provincial motto is strong and free. Other parts of Canada, not so much. I mean, I just wish we had more of that rebellious nature, that revolutionary passion. But remember that when you had your revolution, people who sided with the king, they moved north. They were called United Empire loyalists. So there is a bit of a history of Canada being a little more submissive, a little more obedient. And by the way, it's led to a wonderful country. Canada is a pretty great place. But over the last 10 years especially, oh my God, have we made some wrong turns? Yeah, and I'm really worried about things.
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Chris Pavloski
I mean, I personally, I've spent a lot of time in Canada. I've been, been all over Canada, from Vancouver up to Nova Scotia and probably been there 20 different times in my life. I mean I've toured and played in, in, you know, from Thunder Bay to, to, you know, small little towns to out in Saskatoon and Calgary and and stuff. And, and it really is very, very similar to the U. S. There was a time where I would say that the, that Canada was, was like, I guess like the U. S. Like it's very much like, like the Midwest. You know, if you're in, if you're in Fargo or you're in, in somewhere in, in Michigan or up in, in Minnesota or something, it's very, very similar. There's very. You could be in Calgary and mistake yourself for being in the United States very, very easily if you, you know, if you weren't looking at the actual dollar bills, you know, wait, I'm from Minnesota.
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Phil
Does that mean I was basically living in Canada the whole time and I didn't know about it?
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Chris Pavloski
It's similar, man. It is similar. You know, there's.
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Phil
My slur for Canadians by the way, was frostback, if you're wondering that is. That is not saying you should call them that, but that's my slurp.
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Chris Pavloski
That's a great, that's a great, great word. But it's true like the, you know, Canada, it really is a great, a great country and, and it's a lot of fun and the people are great and stuff and it does, you know, it is really rough to see things like, you know, being so, you know, deciding that freedom is not important. And that's kind of the way there was a time where people would say, oh well, you know, it's for safety, etc. And I think that, you know, me and Shane talked about this on the show a couple days ago. One of the things that Covid did without saying, I mean, I hate to say that it actually did anything good, I feel, but really did wake a lot of people up. There was. There are far more people that are skeptical of the government and I think this is, this is probably globally, but definitely in the US And I, I assume it's the same in Canada that people are far more skeptical of the government and there are more people that are like, you know what? No, it's really important that we speak our minds, especially when the government says we shouldn't. And I do think that they're. I, I speak to my friends that are international and, and whereas there was a time when they would look at me and some of my friends and be like, oh, you guys are kind of gun nuts and blah, blah, blah. And there are a lot more people, people internationally that are far less critical of our second amendment now because of the way that some of the, some of the, some other countries have behaved.
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Ezra Levant
If I go back to the very first thing we talked about, tariffs. I don't know if you saw this, but Trump said to the uk, if you want a trade deal, free speech has to be part of it. And if you remember, when Keir Starmer, the British pm, met with Trump in the Oval Office, JD Vance said, hey, you're not respecting freedom of speech. So to put Starmer on the back foot a bit, my hope is that Trump's trade wars aren't just about trade. They're about checking the totalitarian instincts of other countries. Yeah, and I'd be very interested in what Chris thinks about Zuckerberg, because remember when he had sort of had his conversion, if you remember his public sort of statement where he said he was going to lay off the fact checkers, where he said he was going to allow misgendering and other things. There was one thing I remember him saying that really pricked my ears up. He said they were going to stand for freedom, not just in America, but Chris, he said, in other countries with the help of the State Department. Did you catch that part? So that told me, because like you say, you operate in different countries. You got to follow those laws of those different countries. And Zuckerberg was really saying, I'm going to fight for freedom now, but I need the help of the State Department because a company cannot win a fight in another jurisdiction. And so my prayer is that Donald Trump, with his audacious, you know, take on the whole world at once attitude that one of the things he leaves the world with is stronger freedom. If he did that, that would make him a great man of history. I don't know if you think that's gonna happen, Chris.
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Shane Cashman
I can say unequivocally, there's not a single platform doing what we're doing outside of the United States. And it's not even close. Not X, not Facebook, not anybody. They are all capitulating to the other governments in. In a far. In a much, much more way than we are.
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Brett Dasic
Zuckerberg's rebrand felt like a. It was a fraud.
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Shane Cashman
It's still early. Let's. Let's hope. But, you know, it could be. It could be just for business interests. It could be for, you know, all kinds of different interests. But definitely it, from my perspective, like, from what I can see, it's like, unequivocal that none of these platforms are. They're complying. They're complying with Mara in Brazil. Like, everyone is complying with Mara in Brazil. They're paying their fines. They're. They're complying with censorship requests. They're, they're not, they're not doing anything. It's happening in Turkey. It's happening everywhere. Everywhere. On Rumble. We don't. Unless it violates our policy. We're not. Like, if it violates our policy, we're taking it down. But if it does not violate our policy, if it's political speech and it's just a perspective from someone else that's not coming down and like, we'll pull out of your country faster than, than we'll pull it down. We're not pulling it down, but no other platform is doing it. Unfortunately. I still think it's early in terms of, like the State Department to, you know, let's say meta or X or these other platforms to follow and, and follow the lead of the State Department and then putting pressure on governments to move a certain way. I still think it's early. So we can hope that things will change with these other platforms. As of right now, it has not happened.
- [66:14]
Chris Pavloski
Do you, do you have any, do you feel like you're getting help from the State Department or have you been in contact with anyone at State about these, these lawsuits and stuff?
- [66:24]
Shane Cashman
Like, I definitely feel like there's definitely a lot of help compared to what we've ever had.
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Chris Pavloski
Right.
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Shane Cashman
So in, in terms of like, you know, them being concerned and in hearing what we have to say, like, it's only been a couple months, right. And they, they, they've, they've listened to us. They've. You've heard their public statements. They've made great public statements already. They've made even executive orders, in my opinion, I think up for, for the first two months, they've done quite a bit and I'm, I'm very happy with what I'm seeing and that' to give it more time for these other companies before passing judgment on them. I can say that they haven't done.
- [67:05]
Brett Dasic
Anything yet, but he just looks inauthentic to me when I hear him talk and I don't believe anything he says.
- [67:10]
Chris Pavloski
You just.
- [67:10]
Brett Dasic
I'm willing to give him grace.
- [67:11]
Chris Pavloski
You don't like him because you think he's a robot.
- [67:12]
Brett Dasic
I don't trust cyborgs.
- [67:13]
Chris Pavloski
You don't? I knew you're going to say that.
- [67:15]
Brett Dasic
I like, I like that he says these things, but I just. There's a lot of people who have been locked out of their accounts that still haven't been opened up.
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Shane Cashman
Yeah, no, we, there's definitely, like, the platforms haven't moved much at all, if any, from my opinion but they also, I don't feel like the rest of the world is in the position to accept free speech in more of a way than they were six months ago. But I do see like the markings from this administration that are incredibly helpful for Rumble and for pushing free speech. Like, there's been pressure with the Brazilian government. The US Embassy came out in defense. The Congress came out in her defense. Like, it, that was awesome to see. Like the U.S. the, all the, the branches of the U.S. government were, were like, you know, against any type of censorship by Brazil. And that, that's, I didn't have, we didn't have that kind of air support back like a year ago.
- [68:07]
Brett Dasic
You have a platform of dissenting voices that's usually a threat to all these companies, governments.
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Chris Pavloski
To Ezra's point earlier, when he, you know, we were talking about the, the, the person that owned the, the, the land that you were doing the stuff on when, when the Canadian government, you know, kind of leans in, tends to move people because the, just the fact that the Canadian government is paying attention, like that matters. And I, I can only imagine. And, and you hear people talk about this when they actually have to go up against the US Government, the federal government of the United States of America when they say things countries move, countries respond. Because whether or not, you know, whatever some politic and in a speech or whatever, that's one thing, but when someone from State Department actually calls to the, their counterpart in another country and says it is the position of the United States that such and such, that has an impact. They don't have to threaten anything generally. They don't have to say, oh, we're going to hit you with sanctions or we're going to do this or blah, blah, blah. Just the United States State Department calling and saying it is the position of the United States of America that such and such that actually does produce results for a vast number of different topics. So.
- [69:29]
Shane Cashman
And that's all a company like Rumble wants.
- [69:31]
Chris Pavloski
Yeah.
- [69:31]
Shane Cashman
Like we, we're not dependent. We don't want to be dependent on a government. We don't want to force the government to do anything. We just like when it comes to a specific value like the First Amendment, say it out loud to the rest of the world and like, we'll try to expand in those markets where, you know, that's appreciated and unfortunately it's not very much, not very appreciated in much of the world, but it's finally nice to have a government and an administration in power that's actually saying it out loud. And that's All I can ask for.
- [70:01]
Ezra Levant
And there's a trade element to that too, because of course, Rumble is not just a free speech principle, it's a company.
- [70:08]
Chris Pavloski
Yes.
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Ezra Levant
And in Canada, a bill was moving through our parliament until Parliament was dissolved, called the Online Harms act and it would have applied to rumble and YouTube and Twitter and all these. And it would have required 24 hour takedown notices. Like if you didn't take something down within 24 hours, you would be subject to fines as much as 8% of your global revenues. Insane. Obviously that's an attack on an American company. It's not just an attack on what's going on in Canada. But if they 8%, fine. Based on your global revenues, how is that the business of the Canadian government to tax you on money you make in America? America. So I think there is a free speech nobility argument. But there's also how many social media companies were created and started in Europe? I can't think of any Tick Tock's in China, but the rest are American. Really. I mean, Rumble started in Canada. It's American headquarters now. And that is, I mean it's, it's sort of like the intellectual property. It's not just a noble idea, but it's the business of Hollywood. And so when America fights against counterfeits in China, it's a dollars and cents things too. We could probably see that clearly. But when Rumble fights for freedom in Brazil, it's about American prosperity. It's not just about free speech. That's what I like about Trump is for the first time in years, you got an American president standing up and saying, saying we want some respect too. We want respect and prosperity. And because Biden let everyone in the world walk over him. And it was painful to watch as a, as an America ophile, just to see how this. It felt like an old warrior was tired and it felt like a lion was running out of energy and the jackals were nipping it. And you say lion, get up and roar and the lion was sort of sickly and now the lion's roaring at every damn thing and people don't understand what it means, but it's a pleasure to see the jackals on the back foot.
- [72:15]
Chris Pavloski
Yeah, the. So last week we had a, a friend of the show and I, I'm sure you actually know who he is. Carl Benjamin from.
- [72:23]
Ezra Levant
Oh, he's great.
- [72:23]
Chris Pavloski
From the uk. Great, great guy. I consider him a friend. He's, I, he's one of, he's actually the guy that led me to Tim's Podcast and stuff. I was watching CARL STUFF Probably 10, 15 years ago, but he was here and we were talking about how the relationship with the uk, the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, how that's, that really is special and important, like the relationship of these, these five countries. We all kind of have the same genesis from the uk And I think that on the global scale, the world is better. Better when we find, when we remember the common ground that we have. And from my perspective, I look at the United States as the fulfillment of, well, I look at the United States Constitution as the fulfillment of what was started with the Magna Carta in, you know, 500 years ago in the UK or maybe 600 years, I'm not sure exactly. But anyways, we're all familiar with the Magna Carta and it was the first time that, that, that subjects were said no, you know, made it made a statement, we're not subjects, and you actually have to listen to us. And that that kind of idea then progressed and progressed and progressed through English Common Law. And, and then when the United States was formed, the constitution that we wrote here really was the fulfillment of that promise. And I think that that's something that's valuable not just to the United States, but, but to Canada and to the UK and to Australia and to New Zealand, to the countries that are, you know, brothers in, in this, on the, on planet Earth. And the more I hear people in Canada and the UK that, that speak about the principles that all come from England, they all come from English Common Law. You know, the more I realize that those relationships are important. And there's something that even though, you know, now we've got a little bickering back and forth between the US And Canada, I think that, that the, the Canadian Prime Minister who is, you know, institute, who is, you know, installed. I think that he's, he's ridiculous to even make that comment. And the idea that Canada should make a shift towards China, I think that's something that's, that's not just a gross. A mistake for Canada, but it's also, you know, a mistake for the world. World, because I think that the United States is, is the United States and Canada and England and Australia, I think that our relationship is so, so much deeper than just economics and, you know, trade deals.
- [75:08]
Phil
Yeah, but right now I think a lot of people believe that. Yeah, but me, the liberal economic order has seen that the US has been taken advantage of gratuitously, both militarily economically, and the moment they tried to push back on anything like that. Suddenly it's not fair to look after your own self interest. And you mentioned Biden. It felt like America was being walked all over. That's gone on far longer than that. Like maybe there was a respite in 2016 when Trump was pushing back against NATO and the UN and all of these things. And my generation hadn't heard anything like that. It's not like that was ever a focus of discussion during the Obama, Obama, the Obama years, or even really the Clinton years. In a lot of ways, America has been used by the rest of the world. And people aren't really aware of just how much bargaining power an economy the size of America has, a military the size of America has. And when they start to push back, they start calling it bullying. That's why so much of the media frames what America's doing right now as bullying. No, self interest isn't bullying. And right now everybody's trying to figure out where everything stands hands with a country that's no longer allowing itself to be walked all over. My bigger concern is that, you know, depending on how Americans take this, and certainly the, the media is doing its best to frame what's going on right now negatively, to try and shift public perspective. I mean, we were talking recently. I saw something earlier. There's a sign out front of like one of the buildings around here where it's like a stop sign, says Stop Musk on it. I saw somebody put it in Slack, but that's been there for over a month now. So they're trying to shift public perspective to try and get somebody else in office that, that offers, you know, they want a Democrat in office in the next election cycle. And then everything starts over again and we're right back where we started. And I don't know if there's a way to fix that so simply. And I think the bigger problem here is that what we're, what we're seeing is a pushback from globalist interests on an America that's just trying to actually take care of itself and fix the problems that have been festering for decades and decades and decades.
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Ezra Levant
You know what? American foreign aid, one of my favorite things about Doge is seeing the crazy expenditures. But a lot of that is on the foreign aid side. The National Endowment for Peace or whatever. I can't even remember all the names of these different groups. Well, that money is spent around the world. It's spent in my country too. So the insanity that's based in America, its tentacles around the world. You know, Elon Musk explains how George Soros leverages, he puts in a little bit of his own dough, but he gets an enormous amount of money from the government for these NGOs. That has impacts in Canada, throughout Europe. One of my favorite things is how when these are shut down in America, suddenly the most insane projects around the world say we're out of dough. And what a pleasure that is.
- [78:01]
Phil
So the anger from those people is the death rattle of the money faucet being turned on.
- [78:05]
Ezra Levant
Oh, yeah. And. And suddenly we realized we were living with sort of a false consciousness. We thought, oh, that was just part of the political landscape of Canada. Like, it's not even the Third World. You're colonizing the politics of places like Canada, the UK and France. And we didn't realize how much maybe we felt surrounded by bad guys. Well, it was just the same NGOs from the same pocket. I don't know. I'm excited about paring that back. It's like cleaning the barnacles off a ship that's been at sea for decades and suddenly the ship glides in the water so much more smoothly. Yeah. And. And the rest of the country, the world will benefit from that, too, I tell you.
- [78:45]
Chris Pavloski
Why don't we jump to this story here. The Supreme Court lifts order blocking Trump from deporting Venezuelans under the Alien Enemies Act. From the Hill, the Supreme Court vacated a judge's order temporarily blocking the Trump administration from using the Alien Enemies act act to deport Venezuelans, enabling the administration to resume removals under the wartime powers. The matter before the Supreme Court was not whether the Trump administration properly used its wartime power to expel those it has accused of being gang members, but from where those challenging their removal must launch their suits. While the order requires those challenging Trump to use the Alien Enemies Acts to do so in Texas, where they are being detained, the court dealt a blow to the Trump administration's swift removal of migrants without hearings. The court said Venezuelans they seek to deport must have adequate notice in order to be able to challenge their removal. Confronting the administration's removal of men without giving them the ability to contest their alleged gang ties. So the long and short of it is there had been. There had been an injunction and the Supreme Court has, I mean, there's multiple cases that are actually need the Supreme Court to make a ruling on. But this one in particular, they, the Trump administration had, has been looking, has been using the Alien Enemies act, which I believe is from what was. There was another one that I saw from 1798. Reuters was saying the Supreme Court lets Trump pursue deportations under the 1798 law with limits. So this is an old law, and that was part of the reason why I, Some in the admin. In the. In. In Congress and Democrats in Congress were kind of worked up about it. I personally think that whatever means the government can use to remove illegal aliens, I think is acceptable. They're here illegally. And whereas I understand there is. There are due process questions. They're the only people that actually have a legitimate, legitimate question about due process is people that are here searching for asylum. Now, I understand most of the people that have come here illegally, they've been instructed go to the, you know, find the nearest border guard or, or, you know, and tell them that you're looking for asylum, but that is. That's illegal anyways. You're supposed to go to a normal port of entry and request asylum. You're also supposed to go to. You're supposed to stop in the nearest safe, safe country.
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Brett Dasic
Trump promised to use this, this law.
- [81:22]
Chris Pavloski
Yeah.
- [81:22]
Brett Dasic
Like, multiple times on the campaign trail. And we should do. Yeah, like you're saying whatever we can to get. We were invaded.
- [81:27]
Chris Pavloski
Yeah. I mean, look, we got to get.
- [81:28]
Brett Dasic
Rid of a lot of.
- [81:29]
Chris Pavloski
Yeah. I'm, I'm of the opinion anything we can do to get rid of people that are here illegally, we should. We should do. You know, but I'm wondering if you. If our Canadian friends have. Have opinions on this.
- [81:40]
Shane Cashman
I'm gonna add, like, one of the disappointing things here is that it was a 5 to 4 vote and Justice Ben Barrett dissented.
- [81:48]
Chris Pavloski
Yeah.
- [81:49]
Shane Cashman
And, you know, I find that disappointing that she did.
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Brett Dasic
She's had a few of those.
- [81:53]
Shane Cashman
Yeah, I think that's the bigger. One of the bigger stories here. But, you know, obviously this went the right way, but that, that is a very disappointing.
- [82:02]
Chris Pavloski
I mean, I'm not saying we should repeal the 19th, but it was the men versus the women. You know, the court's makeup is, is, you know, five to five. You know, allegedly conservative. People would say that the, the. The men on the court are conservative. I'm not so convinced that Roberts is actually conservative. I think that he's. He's as likely to come down on the. The progressive side as. As he is to come down on the conservative side. But, you know, Justice Amy Coney Barrett, she is not, certainly not a, A reliable conservative. But this is something that, that we see regularly. We know where the left is going to come down. They're going to side with the government or they're going to side with whatever the left would side With. And there's not going to be. There's not any question about it. And there's not. Nobody's ever surprised with their, with their, their judgments or at least they're very.
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Shane Cashman
Rarely surprised with the conservatives. There's always a surprise.
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Chris Pavloski
Yeah. Which to, to me, honestly, ultimately that in my opinion makes me think, okay, well, the conservatives are actually judges and the progressives are just ideologues. If you can always tell where someone's going to come down, they. You kind of know that they're ideologues. So maybe just the scales.
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Brett Dasic
Yeah, maybe.
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Chris Pavloski
Go ahead.
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Brett Dasic
That's why they want to stack the court, because they know they're a monolith.
- [83:30]
Chris Pavloski
Yeah. I mean, maybe, maybe you could say the same thing about Justice Thomas. Even though I would clone him eight times and we could have eight Justice Thomases on the Supreme Court, I would be perfectly happy with that. But maybe you could say the same thing about Alito. But the other three, you know, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, Coney Barrett and, and Roberts, it's. It's a crapshoot. You, you, you don't know what they're gonna. What they're gonna decide.
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Phil
What were the other two cases you said there was a couple that Amy Coney Barrett descended on. There was another one that I remember was the border in Texas.
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Brett Dasic
I forget it was recent.
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Chris Pavloski
Yeah. I'm not sure what it was.
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Phil
It's like last year. It had to do with like couple.
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Shane Cashman
Weeks ago, I thought.
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Phil
I'm thinking of one like last year where it was like the border in Texas ran through federal land or something like that. It was a while back.
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Chris Pavloski
I don't, I don't know. And, and I, I wouldn't know where it's. Let me see here. How much will.
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Brett Dasic
There's some woman makes bad decision.
- [84:24]
Chris Pavloski
Oh, no.
- [84:25]
Phil
Amaz. Imagine being the first name that comes up when that, when you.
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Brett Dasic
That's her face.
- [84:29]
Phil
It'd be amazing.
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Chris Pavloski
Yeah.
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Brett Dasic
Typically the view.
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Chris Pavloski
But I'm, Yeah, I'm not sure which what, what, what decisions. She. She has come down on the wrong side side. But she is, you know, she is kind of. You know, it is a question mark as to whether or not she's going to come down with what would be considered a, A sober reading of the. The law or whatever. Most of the time you can expect the, the conservatives to say, okay, this is what the law plainly states and, and this is how it's going to be. You know, this is where my, my, my just my judgment's going to come down and These are my reasons. They're going to seem reasonable. The progressives, you can never tell what their reasoning is going to be, but you always know where they're going to land.
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Phil
I mean, it's one of the, the sad things, right, when people talk about how the Supreme Court was never supposed to be political. You know, in, in and of itself, it, what you wouldn't want to know the political affiliations of any of these judges. You want them to, you judge based on constitutional law. And to see it turn that way, it actually does scare a lot of people because like you said, I see bumper stickers that literally say, pack the courts. And it's, it's crazy that you see the amount of people that want to turn something like that into a pill, into a political weapon, rather than just a means of judging the Constitution. And that's a very, very scary prospect given the fact that now what you have to worry about is every time there's an election, every time somebody new enters on office, you say, how old is everybody in the Supreme Court? Like, you have to worry about it because you don't know whether, you know that's going, whether a death is going to happen or somebody's going to step down. And then you're going to have to wonder, like, what is going to be the political makeup of the Supreme Court next election cycle when you shouldn't have to worry about it at all.
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Chris Pavloski
There's a strong possibility, I think we were talking about on the show, but there's a strong possibility that Donald Trump gets to point two more people. Clarence Thomas is getting up there, and he's likely not going to want to do what Ruth Bader Ginsburg did.
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Brett Dasic
Yeah.
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Chris Pavloski
And stay on longer than, than he can, you know, reliably stay and up someone. Yeah. He would, he would want Trump to pick someone. And also I believe it's Sotomayor, who has some health issues.
- [86:40]
Phil
Yeah.
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Shane Cashman
So it was New York versus Donald Trump, the case.
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Chris Pavloski
Okay.
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Shane Cashman
She dissented with Roberts as well.
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Chris Pavloski
Thank you. But again, Roberts is someone that's, he's not, he's definitely not a reliable conservative, which, I mean, to be honest with you, I'm fine with him not being a reliable conservative, just so long as the reasoning is sound. But it's not a surprise when, when it's Amy Coney Barrett coming down and, you know, and siding with the, with the progressives. So anyways, yeah, see the, the also John Roberts from Politico. John Roberts lifts midnight deadline for us to bring back man who was wrongly deported to El Salvador. Just hours before a midlife midnight deadline Monday, Chief Justice John Roberts gave the Trump administration of reprieve from having to immediately bring back the US man who was illegally deported to El Salvador last month. Roberts acted shortly after the Trump administration filed an emergency appeal of a district judge direct directive that U.S. officials return Kilmar Abergeo Garcia. I think I pronounced that right, Abergeo. The administration deported Abigail Garcia despite an immigration judge's 2019 ruling that he not be sent to his home country of El Salvador because he would likely face persecution there. Roberts issued a terse administrative order indefinitely lifting the deadline of 11:59 Eastern Time to return Abigail Garcia, set by US District District Judge Paulina Zinnis. The Trump administration had said the deadline was impossible to meet. Now, this is, this speaks to one of the questions that we've been discussing here. Do the, do lower courts have the right or the, the power to pass an injunction that essentially prevents the administration from acting? So this is something that has very little historical precedent. Prior to, I think it was the Obama administration in 2008. So there was some in the 60s and 70s and 80s, but it was infrequent that this was used. And prior to the 60s, it was never used. FDR had passed, you know, he issued many, many, many executive orders. And there was no thought that a district judge would be able to say, no, you can't do that, Mr. President.
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Brett Dasic
It was thousands, I think, right.
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Chris Pavloski
I mean, look, I, I don't like.
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Brett Dasic
Thousand, probably 4,000 executive orders. That's the most, I think, of any.
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Chris Pavloski
President you could totally be. Right. I don't know. I know there was a boatload of them. So if we want to say a thousands, great. So I'm going to, I'm going to.
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Brett Dasic
Say a million, million and million is.
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Chris Pavloski
What our path, his. He almost broke his hand signing those executive orders. But, but yeah, there was, there was no precedent prior to the 60s. And it was a, you know, infrequent thing in the 60s, 70s and 80s and 90s. And then when Barack Obama got into office, there was a lot of injunctions. And now it's almost everything the Trump administration tries to do now. I mean, look, I'm sympathetic to the idea that the executive actually should have limited power, that the Congress should be passing laws, but the way that Congress works and behaves now and the way that the presidency has become the, you know, the action branch, I suppose you could, you'd say this is just the state that we're in and that being the case place for the conservatives to say, well, we're going to try to do the constitutional thing and we're not going to try and do this stuff, then you're only allowing the left to exercise power because Barack Obama had said it himself, he's like, I have a pen and a phone and they're going to act when they have the opportunity. So I think that it's, it, it is incumbent upon the Trump administration to act as expansively as possible until, until Congress steps in and says, no, you can't.
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Phil
Well, and you have to worry about that now, given, you know, what happened in Wisconsin. They're already talking about. We're going to be getting impeachment articles written up in 2026 or 2020. In 2028. Excuse me.
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Chris Pavloski
Yeah. If there is a, if there is a, a, you know, a Democrat Congress, then, you know, they're going to try to impeach him again.
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Phil
So beyond just not getting anything done, they're also going to actively interfere.
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Chris Pavloski
Yeah, yeah.
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Ezra Levant
Trouble is, if you have a million or 10 million or whatever, then I've heard up to 30 million illegals like an invasion, to quote you. You've a million trials and a million appeals. No, you're not, it's not going to happen. And you know, you want to have some sort of rule of law. America is, is not a wild place. But if you are serious about getting this done, done, some of it will have to be done en masse. And, and folks who came in so evidently just strolling across the border. I was just puttering with some math here. If there's 250 seats on A, on a, any given airplane, you do 40 flights a day. That's basically a flight from every big city in America. Still only 10,000 people a day. So let's say three and a half million people a year. Year. And that's not happening right now. Like I'm impressed with what is happening. First of all, the invasion has been stopped.
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Chris Pavloski
Yeah.
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Ezra Levant
You know, first rule of holes when you're in one, stop digging. Okay. That's been achieved. But you've got to deport.
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Chris Pavloski
Yep.
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Ezra Levant
And it's got to be done en masse. Here's an idea and I'd like your feedback. And I say this as a foreigner, but I believe very much in borders. I believe that you should be able to keep out a non citizen for any reason or no reason. It's your country. It's like your house. You can kick someone. You don't need a good reason to kick someone out of your house. It's your House some European countries, I think Sweden or Denmark, I forget which one has tried this. And I know it sounds offensive at first, but keep in mind how many planes you need to deport people. What if you said here's 10 grand, get out and promise never to come back. Now that's a lot. 10 grand for 10 million people. That's a hundred billion dollars. Well, hang on, that's a sliver of what that many illegals cost the country. Yeah, $100 billion. Not even a trillion dollars. I mean, shift the money over there.
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Phil
From USAID, let's do it.
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Ezra Levant
Even 50 grand each, it's still only half a trillion.
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Chris Pavloski
Isn't $100 billion? Isn't that one B2 bomber?
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Brett Dasic
I don't know.
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Chris Pavloski
I mean, I think so.
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Ezra Levant
I think you need the carrot, but I think you need the stick, but also the carrot. And I. It sounds absurd that someone would self deport, but you've gotta. I mean it is a time limited thing we have here. And, and when I see stories like that. Justice, this bring back the man from El Salvador. I think if that's how they're reacting to the first. Is it even in the thousands? It's probably not in the tens of thousands. You got 10 million, 20 million from folks. You, your country has been overrun.
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Chris Pavloski
Y.
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Ezra Levant
And if. And you have to think like that. So the Alien War act or whatever of 1798. Yeah, that probably fits a little bit better than, than some, you know, dainty legal process from the 1970s.
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Brett Dasic
Previous administration encouraged the invasion. I reported from Yuma, just a small sliver of the wall. And when I was down there, this is during Biden. Biden, it's like soft. Tsa. People walk across the border. The, the tsa, the Border patrol gives them a tag for their luggage, water bottle ride to their headquarters, phone call to whoever they know in the country. If someone picks up and knows their name, flight to that place. And that's happening daily. Not to mention all the fentanyl that's going across the border through the tunnels.
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Ezra Levant
And drones and it's a whole industry. I don't know if you saw James O'Keefe's movie on that.
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Brett Dasic
I didn't know.
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Ezra Levant
It is an industry. There are NGOs again, again with your tax dollars just waiting, waiting with lawyers, waiting. And, and get them away from Texas, get them into the country.
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Chris Pavloski
Not just NGOs but the federal government itself. The Health and Human Services Department had a program called the. What's it, what was the program called? The Refugee Resettlement Program. And people were actually being shipped throughout the country, specifically to purple states in the hopes that they would vote, that they would manage to get Social Security cards, which has now been proven to happen. So a year ago, you know, I was talking about this particular plan, the refugee resettlement plan, how the the actual federal government was using taxpayer dollars, the Democrats were using taxpayer dollars to ship people throughout the country. And they were intending on doing two things. One, one, first it's to get them into the census because the congressional districts are drawn up by the census and additionally those people were being given Social Security numbers and they were being given driver's license and they were being allowed to vote. Now technically it's illegal, but it was absolutely happening. And the goal with that was to change purple district districts into blue districts.
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Ezra Levant
Let me give you a 60 second anecdote. I like to travel to other countries to see what it's like there. Let me tell you a very short story from the little village of Dundrum, Ireland. It's a village of 200 people. It's the prettiest place you ever seen your life. And there's one sort of hotel, country club in town where everyone goes for this cycle of life events. Gorgeous. 200 people in the whole town. And then one day the hotel signs a deal with the federal government. Government. It's not going to be a hotel and country club anymore. It's going to take two hundred and forty military aged migrant men. So they shut down the tourism, shut down the social hub of the town and in one fell swoop, the Irish are now a minority in Dundrum. Who are these men? How long are they staying? All this is secret. It's the most astonishing thing. And who's pushing for this? US funded NGOs. There's over a hundred thousand in this tiny island of Ireland with 5 million souls. And I say again, why is that interesting? Well, because sometimes they try out things over there that then they bring in.
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Brett Dasic
Over here like they did to Haiti, our government. You know, we destroyed Haiti over many decades. It was like a experiment on what they want to do to destroy this country. And then that thing that you're talking about happened in New York City. I'm from New York and a lot of family in the hotel and trades union, so they work on all these hotels and a lot of those hotels just because became migrant facilities. Totally insane. And then, not to mention they were giving like debit cards to illegal immigrants as they showed up into New York City.
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Ezra Levant
Banana, you're a hotel owner, you love it. You don't have to worry about reservations anymore. You got one client who always pays the bill. No. Dine and dash. You're set.
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Brett Dasic
Yeah, it's crazy.
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Chris Pavloski
All right, we're gonna go to super chats. So smash that, like, button, share the show with all your friends. Friends. And become a member@arumble.com Timcast. Let's see here. Lurch 685 says buy the dip, baby. Maga. The, the response to that, I think is with what? That's the response you're getting from most, most young people, at least. Let's see. Sean H. Says, welcome back to the world. The direwolf. Did you guys hear about that? They're. They've cloned the dire wolf. We're actually going to talk about that in the after show today.
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Brett Dasic
Russell said, maybe that wasn't a good idea.
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Chris Pavloski
What?
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Brett Dasic
I saw him on Twitter today. He said maybe it wasn't a good idea to do that. I'm like, I agree. I mean, maybe we saw Jurassic Park.
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Chris Pavloski
Yeah, you did. But, you know, they're not dinosaurs.
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Brett Dasic
But they're wolves.
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Chris Pavloski
They're wolves.
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Brett Dasic
Dinosaurs weren't real. But I don't want to derail the conversation.
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Chris Pavloski
I appreciate that, Shane. Thank you very much. Let's see. Ifuera media says Canada is a manipulative X. That. That's mad. You aren't letting them get away with it anymore. How do you guys feel about that?
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Ezra Levant
You know what? I really want to be the best friend of the United States. I don't want to be American. I love America. I want to be the best friend of America. And I, I really, I think it could be freaking amazing. I, I just hope this passes. Is that okay to say? My two Pollyanna share.
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Chris Pavloski
I mean, I, I personally, I agree. I, I don't want to have animosity with our, you know, largest trading partner.
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Ezra Levant
And I know we got to fix things. We got to fix our military. That's. Any Canadian should be ashamed of that. You know, in World War II, we were right next to. You had Omaha beach and Utah Beach. We were there.
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Chris Pavloski
And you guys were Juneau right along with the American.
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Ezra Levant
You know, we had the third largest navy in the world at the end, end of Second World War. I know that's hard to believe. We were there. We were there in Korea. We were there in Afghanistan. But we're not lifting our load. And I, and I say this without Donald Trump's prompting. I think we gotta be a serious country again. We're not right now. And maybe Donald Trump shines a light on our weaknesses. In a way that prickles people. He does. My God. He can find your weakness in a second and zero in on it. And. But sometimes, though, you need to hear your critics. I'm not saying everything Trump says about Canada's right. I don't think he's right when he says we're nasty. But there are some flaws we have to fix, and Chris listed some of them. I just hope we get past that.
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Phil
I think it's the fact that you guys haven't won a Stanley cup in so long. I think you're cranky. You haven't won a Stanley cup in a really long time. And hockey is such a big part of the country.
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Chris Pavloski
Let's see. Michael O. Pinkerton says Israel's been making a fortune on the tariffs. They charge us to sell them weapons. I. Can anyone confirm or deny that? I don't. I don't know if that's true or not, because the United States does give a lot of weapons to. To Israel.
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Brett Dasic
We buy all our drones from China.
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Chris Pavloski
Well, yeah, that's because.
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Brett Dasic
Very concerning American drones coming from China.
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Chris Pavloski
Yeah. Because the faa, it's. And it's because of regulation. The United States are military drones.
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Ezra Levant
Yes.
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Chris Pavloski
Civilian drones.
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Brett Dasic
Oh, I thought it was military drones, too. One of the speeches I saw. I don't think I say that.
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Chris Pavloski
Yeah, I don't.
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Brett Dasic
I thought I saw. I saw someone talk about. Maybe it was Erik Prince. I forget who it was. Talk about how this is obviously a security issue.
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Ezra Levant
Terrifying. It was true.
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Brett Dasic
Look that up.
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Chris Pavloski
I, I don't think so. I will say that they definitely are getting the chips that go in from Taiwan.
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Ezra Levant
Yeah.
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Brett Dasic
And they're not.
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Phil
Chips are. Are already an issue.
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Chris Pavloski
So, I mean, which is, you know, that's an issue that we've actually talked about. I. Whether or not people believe that, you know, the Trump tariffs are going to bring in, you know, the industrial capacity back to the United States. It's really important for the United States to have the ability to make the, the semiconductors that we need for our military here in the United States. Because right now. And Covid, you know, really showed us we can't rely on China for the things that our country needs.
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Ezra Levant
90% of the world's medicines, pills, vitamins, supplements, are made in China. That seems like a bit of a security lapse to.
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Chris Pavloski
Terrible idea. Exactly. You know, let's see, let's see. Mr. Barefoot Blue Jean says Carney is Trudeau's cousin. Family. Carney gave a billion to Jake Kirchner. Carney's friends with Ghislaine Maxwell Trump endorsed endorses Carney. Wonder why. No Epstein files. I'm not sure that Trump and Card Trump endorsed Carney.
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Ezra Levant
He made a tweet that sounded like.
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Shane Cashman
He preferred Carney interview. I think it was really, it wasn't an endorsement though.
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Chris Pavloski
Okay.
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Shane Cashman
It said, I, how do you, how did he word it? It was like something like, you know, I'd prefer to deal with a liberal or negotiate with a liberal.
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Phil
Oh, I really saw that.
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Ezra Levant
Yeah.
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Chris Pavloski
Something with, do you think that that might have been in response to, to Pierre kind of having to criticize Trump?
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Shane Cashman
Because here's the, here's my, my issue with the whole thing. I would have loved to see Pierre Politier come out and be the guy that said, I'm going to be able to be the only guy here that can do a deal with Trump. Trump, America's our best friend. I want to work with America. They're our biggest trading partner and I'm the only guy that's going to be able to make a deal with them. Instead, he took a different approach and he distanced himself from Trump a lot. And it became like a hating contest with Carney of how much, you know, we hate these tariffs and Canada's got to be on the other side of it. I didn't love that approach. Like, obviously I don't like that approach. I all. So it's, you know, it's been disappointing to watch the Canadian politics, all of them move away from the United States and, you know, let's see who can hate Trump the most and be most anti American. That, that really, really upset me a lot. I, I, I think it's the wrong move. And you know, it puts, it puts Canada in a weird position now. Like, who's going to be the guy to win? And then when they win, who's going to do the deal, deal with the United States, because we need to do it.
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Ezra Levant
Hey, can I talk about the other part of this super chat? Like I say, Mark Carney left Canada more than a decade ago. He went to, he moved up in life and he became the governor of the Baker England. While he was over there, he hung out with Ghislaine Maxwell. He did this photos of him and his wife hanging out with Maxwell. You know, I'm talking about Epstein sex. And then while he's over there, there, Mark Carney, now the Canadian Prime Minister, Epstein's client, Prince Andrew, throws a lavish party for Mark Carney at Buckingham palace and picks up the tab. The hell's that all about? And then the last piece I mean, you know, once is an oddity, twice is, you know, a concern. Third fact, Mark Carney's wife, her family is in Epstein's black book. Book. Now, you know, one of these things you might be able to explain away, too, is a raised eyebrow. What the hell is going on? I mean, he's operating. I don't have any evidence beyond that, but I think the lad has some explaining to do.
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Chris Pavloski
I mean, I. I would imagine so.
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Ezra Levant
You know, the hell is his wife's family doing in. In Epstein's black book?
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Chris Pavloski
I don't know. I mean, obviously we have.
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Phil
When are we getting those files anyway, anyways? Is that supposed to come out? What's Pam Bondi doing?
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Chris Pavloski
It's exactly what the Super Chat was asking. We're gonna do some of the. The Rumble rants now. Can we get a Rumble Music app like YouTube Music Player, maybe a few famous musicians like Tom McDonald or someone else could be the first to sign on or make some deal. Is that something that Rumble's working on? Chris, sorry to put you on the spot, but, you know.
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Shane Cashman
Yeah, no, that's. That's fine. No, we're. We're developing a lot of things. Rumble music is something that I think is going to be very important to Rumble in the future, and how we design that and who we get to lead that, I think is very important. Obviously, that's a very expensive endeavor. Licensing all the content and bringing it all into the platform is going to be very expensive, but it's something that we're working on and we're very much thinking about and how to bring in that content. Content. And I hope to have something this year on that front. Not a separate app per se, but at least start driving the content and the music content on Rumble, because that will be, I think, very important for any platform that's competing against YouTube to have that. That's a lot of YouTube's consumption right now. So, you know, it's something that would be very, very good to have.
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Chris Pavloski
All right. Buildozer 74 says, as a small creator, I just want to say thanks to Chris for the Rumble creator program. I'm hosting episode 89 of my show tonight, and I'm extremely proud to be part of the free speech MO movement. So thank you on behalf of buildozer.
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Shane Cashman
That's awesome. No, the creator program is. It's. It's something that we launched a couple months ago. It just wrapped up its first month. It's where it, you know, if you meet certain criteria and certain metrics, you're Going to get paid a lot more for your contributions to Rumble. And I have to say, after the first month, it has been an incredible success. You know, I never thought Rumble would be in the position. Would we be having more live streams, more average concurrent live streams on Rumble so quickly after the election? Election night was like a record night for us in many regards, in many respects. And then a month later we hit another record on December 9th or something like that. And then we continued to hit records in Q1 for average concurrent streams. And it's can. It's been incredible to watch the gaming community kind of expand on Rumble and the small creators expand on Rumble. It's been a real big hit and it's here to stay.
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Chris Pavloski
Awesome. Jones asks, can we please hear more about Rumble's partnership with Tether? Tether also, Phil's a great host. Thank you. Can you. Do you have any more information that you can give to the, the viewers on the Tether deal?
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Shane Cashman
So, yeah, tether invested $775 million. We closed that deal in February of, you know, just a couple months ago, February of this year. The, the reason why I think the Tether deal is so important, Tether is, if you're not familiar, they are probably, from what I understand, the make the most profit of any company per employee in the world. They did $13.7 billion in profit. Not revenue, but profit. That's more profit than Oracle and Tesla combined. That's how big they are. They're one of the largest shareholders of Rumble now. They've taken a huge stake in us. And the best part about the Tether guys, guys like I've gotten to know the owners of Tether and I don't believe I've met people. And this is like odd because you don't think that that could be possible. Like if, you know, let's say Fox wanted to come into Rumble or another company wanted to buy into Rumble, you're not going to have that free speech ethos that, you know, Rumble has to its core as it is right now. But the Tether guys, these guys are so next level free speech. And so for it, it was the perfect marriage for what we believe in. And the best part about them, though, I would say that's the best part, but the second best part about them is how ambitious they are to take on Google and take Rumble, to really take on Google across all the product suites. So they're not just looking for rumble to beat YouTube. They want us to beat Google on the cloud side. They want us to have an email product. They want us to have a browser product. And let's be honest, they have, they have deep pockets too. And when they have that kind of ambition, you know, things can get pretty real. And we did capitalize with them. So we put a lot of money on the balance sheet. And these are things that we're planning out now. All these. We really want to face Google on the ecosystem front, not just on the single, single side of the YouTube front. Our product with Rumble has come leaps and bounds over the last couple years and it's going to continue to improve. So the investments now that we're really looking to make are in, in our products, in the people at Rumble, in the product. So we can have something better than YouTube, have something better than Google Cloud, have something, you know, launch other, other things, the advertising center to compete against Google Ads. So having them as partners is really unleashed us in a way that we haven't, haven't before. So I'm super pumped about it. It's probably the most, it's the most exciting thing that's happened to Rumble that I. In its history.
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Chris Pavloski
That's awesome.
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Shane Cashman
Is having them as our partners. So. Yeah, I hope that answers the question.
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Chris Pavloski
Yeah. Congratulations, Carlos. Y says Ezra, are you on Team Alberta? Autonomy, independence or statehood? Assuming Carney wins.
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Ezra Levant
Wow. So Alberta is like I say, the Texas of Canada. It's where all those oil sands I was talking about are. Boy, if Carney wins again, he's going to be brutal. I told you about some of the things he did before he came back to Canada a few weeks ago. He was the co chair of something called the Glasgow Net alliance for Net Zero. You know what Net Zero means? Stop using carbon. Keep the oil in the ground. Keep the coal in the ground. Don't drive, don't fly. Lie, you'll own nothing and you'll be happy. Oh, I didn't mention he was a board member of the World Economic Forum. This Mark Carney, he is the most dangerous prime minister we have had. There's been bad prime ministers but this guy, it's like he's a super villain. And I am afraid he will so torment Alberta he will take Net Zero seriously. He will demonize Alberta because he never gets votes for from it. And I think he just might drive Alberta out. In Canada, there was two referendums on Quebec separatism. The last one came within half a percent of winning.
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Chris Pavloski
Was it that close?
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Ezra Levant
49 and a half percent.
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Chris Pavloski
How long ago was that? Was it 10 years ago?
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Ezra Levant
30 years ago. But here's what happened in the Parliament passed something called the Clarity act, and the Supreme Court reviewed it. In America, some states seceded. That caused the Civil War.
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Chris Pavloski
Yeah.
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Ezra Levant
In Canada, it is legal to separate as long as you have a clear question with a clear result. So to answer your viewer's question, if Mark Carney does to Alberta what I fear he will, if Alberta simply calls a referendum, I think there is a real chance that Albertans would say, we're out of here. And frankly, if Alberta went, so would Saskatchewan, and it would be a domino effect. Boy, that would be tough. But maybe, I mean, I don't want to take a stand now because I want to hope for the best, but Mark Carney might wind up granting Donald Trump his wish.
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Chris Pavloski
Oh, please. No.
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Shane Cashman
Just to add, I think that the premier of Alberta is, is the best politician in Canada that Canada has right now. I, I think she's great. But I'm gonna say what, Ezra, I, I, I think what you said is right. I think that if Carney wins and he does those things.
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Chris Pavloski
So is it your sense that Carney would actually take, like, take retribution on, on Alberta. Alberta for not. Because there's so back in, in, in 80, when Ronald Reagan was elected, there were only two states that he didn't get, and Massachusetts was one of them. And that's the state that I'm from. And there were, there were a lot of people that felt like the Reagan administration did what it could to punish Massachusetts. It wasn't anything that you would, you would notice unless you were from Massachusetts. But there were some military bases that, that got closed and, and did some things that, that can economically hurt the, the, the state. Fort Devin's being one Westover Air Force Base. They went from being act fully active to being reserve bases. And so the, you know, the number of people on the base dwindled. And so that meant the, the economies of the surrounding towns, you know, felt the hit and stuff. Is it your sense that he would retaliate against Alberta should he, he lose?
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Ezra Levant
He wouldn't call it retaliation. He would call it, it net zero.
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Chris Pavloski
Yeah.
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Ezra Levant
Net zero is so insane.
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Chris Pavloski
Yeah.
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Ezra Levant
By the way, if every human being stopped using energy, it would not change the world's temperature. Even the United nations, their Framework Convention on Climate Change, the Earth has been very slowly warming for 10,000 years since we emerged from the last ice age. And it, and I mean, it is very slightly warming. There's nothing we did to start, nothing we can do to stop him. So people who say, and here's what's so dangerous about Carney is He has not sold his Brookfield assets. So he's invested in all these companies that are at odds with Canada. And especially at odds with this oil sands I mentioned earlier. That's the place. 170 billion barrels of oil. China has been sniffing around the oil sands. China would love those oil sands sense. Or at least to deprive America of them.
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Chris Pavloski
Sure.
- [115:30]
Ezra Levant
And Carney is like that with Xi Jinping. I tell you, you want to talk about a national security threat to the United States of America. Imagine having a Xi Jinping asset. You think I'm talking crazy talk? Yesterday, Canada's Election Integrity Monitor said that the government of China was doing pro Carney propaganda using the app called WeChat Chat that millions of Chinese Canadians use.
- [115:55]
Chris Pavloski
I don't know if you heard, WeChat is in Canada.
- [115:58]
Ezra Levant
Oh, big time. That's where a lot of Chinese Canadians get their news. And that is being used to push Mark Carney. What more proof do you need? There was a candidate running for Mark Carney in the city of Markham. He says in a press conference, a Chinese media. He says, my opponent, Joe Tay is wanted back in China. There's a million dollar bounty forward for him. If you catch him and turn him into the consulate, you'll get the money. Says it three times. What the hell? He was dropped and they bring in a replacement Chinese Canadian who it turns out was singing songs of praise to communist China. CSIS, our version of your CIA found that there were 11 districts in Canada where the Chinese Communist Party interfered and meddled. I mentioned earlier. Earlier, 400,000 people registered to vote for Carney. Only 150,000 did. In the end. Are you telling me that the Chinese Communist Party wouldn't be able to hack an online vote to select the leader of the country? I don't have evidence that they did. But I want to know who these quarter million who were disqualified. Yeah, we've got ourselves a five alarm fire in terms of national security in Canada.
- [117:08]
Brett Dasic
Yeah, I didn't realize how close the ties were with Carney and China.
- [117:11]
Ezra Levant
Oh my God. And we don't even know all of of it. Yeah, we don't need. Imagine if Black Brookfield was like a mini Blackrock. Imagine if Larry Fink one day installed himself as your president. He has not won a single election in Canada. Foreign nationals were allowed to vote. He's like an oligarch collecting countries. And you might say, oh, that's overheated language. Is it really? This guy only came back to Canada a few weeks ago.
- [117:39]
Brett Dasic
Wow, that's wild. When's the next election?
- [117:43]
Ezra Levant
April 28th.
- [117:44]
Brett Dasic
Okay, how's that?
- [117:45]
Ezra Levant
Three weeks from today.
- [117:46]
Brett Dasic
Who's the.
- [117:47]
Ezra Levant
The other guy's conservative candidate named Pierre Polyev.
- [117:50]
Brett Dasic
Okay. Is that the guy with the apple?
- [117:52]
Ezra Levant
Yeah, that's right. I think he's great.
- [117:54]
Chris Pavloski
Yeah.
- [117:54]
Brett Dasic
Yeah, he's impressive.
- [117:55]
Ezra Levant
Statistical dead heat the polls now because Trump's getting people agitated.
- [118:00]
Phil
Wow.
- [118:01]
Chris Pavloski
All right, William Dean says. Phil, what is your ideal doctor diet for maintaining optical optimal mental and physical wellness? Honestly, like, eat clean, you know, high protein, low carbs, or at least lay off the sugar. Complex carbs. And I'm not particularly afraid of fats. I eat a lot of eggs. Eat the whole egg. Eat the yolk. Don't. Don't just go with the egg whites. Unless you're trying to lose weight. Then you might want to think about it. But even still, a couple. A couple yolks are good. And you have to go to the gym for that. Mental wellness. You know, the actual exercise is. Is what actually releases the endorphins in your brain. It's what makes you feel good. So even if I know people that are. Are that have that struggle, like, with getting out of the house, you know, they're just like, just getting my shoes on is rough and stuff. And there are times where I feel it. Today, I. Me and my girlfriend had to go to the. She had to go to the doctor this morning, and then we came back and I had a headache because I didn't have a coffee in the morning. I didn't have my. My caffeine, and I still had to drag my butt out of the house and go to the gym. And once I did, I felt better, so you got to do that. But Chris, Ezra, thank you guys for coming. Why don't you tell people where they can find you? Going to plug something. Now's your. Your chance.
- [119:26]
Shane Cashman
All right. You can find me on Instagram on X. Chris Pav @ Chris Pavloski, on Truth Social at Chris and on Rumble. Chris Rumble.
- [119:36]
Ezra Levant
I work for rebelnews.com and we put the lawsuit that Rumble and Rebel did, we put it on a special website called stop deplatforming.com stop deplatforming.com if you want to read the whole thing. It's 21 pages. And I just want to say thanks again to Chris. There's no way Rebel News on our own could have taken this on, but it's sort of fun to team up with the big guys.
- [119:59]
Chris Pavloski
Chris is doing wonderful things for that. For free speech.
- [120:02]
Ezra Levant
So, yeah, it's really true.
- [120:03]
Brett Dasic
Sweet. You can find me online at Shane Cashman. The show is invertible live on YouTube and rumble every Sunday at 6:00.
- [120:10]
Phil
Guys, if you want to follow me, Instagram and Twix at Brett Dasic on both of those platforms. Pop Culture Crisis is live Monday through Friday, 3pm Eastern Standard Time time which is noon Pacific. We have a lot of fun. It's a lot less serious in this stuff. You should come join us. See you then.
- [120:25]
Chris Pavloski
I am Phil that remains on Twix. I'm filled remains official on Instagram. You can find my band. All that remains on Apple Music, Amazon Music, Spotify, you know, the whole thing. Rumble is actually coming, coming very soon. Stick around for the after show. Smash the like button. Share the show with your friends. Go to timcast.com and join us and stick around for the after show which starts in like one minute.