TRUMP WINNING, Big Beautiful Bill PASSES Senate, Faces BLOCKS In The House w/ Amber Duke

Summary

Timcast IRL Podcast Summary

Title: TRUMP WINNING, Big Beautiful Bill PASSES Senate, Faces BLOCKS In The House w/ Amber Duke
Host: Timcast Media
Release Date: July 2, 2025

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Introduction

In this episode of Timcast IRL, host Tim Pool discusses the significant legislative developments surrounding the passage of the "Big Beautiful Bill" in the Senate and its uncertain future in the House of Representatives. Joining him are Amber Duke, Senior Editor for the Daily Caller and co-host of Hills Rising and Reasons Free Media, as well as Phil Labonte, lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains, and Elad Eliyahu, the White House correspondent for Timcast. The conversation delves into the bill's implications on immigration, government spending, and the internal dynamics of the Republican Party.

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Senate Passage of the Big Beautiful Bill

00:00-05:52

Tim Pool opens the discussion with the news that the Big Beautiful Bill has passed the Senate, emphasizing the narrow margin that saw Senator J.D. Vance casting the tie-breaking vote. However, Pool expresses skepticism about the bill's prospects in the House, noting the possible defections from key Republican figures such as Thomas Massie and Chip Roy.

Notable Quote:

• Tim Pool: "They’ve taken out some of the good stuff... Massey is gonna be a no. We’re hearing Chip Roy is gonna be a no. Marjorie Taylor Greene is saying they don’t got the votes for this. One more defector and this bill’s not gonna pass." [00:35]

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Bill’s Key Provisions and Immigration Focus

04:12-09:47

Amber Duke provides an in-depth analysis of the bill’s components, particularly its focus on immigration. The bill allocates $175 billion towards immigration enforcement and border security through 2029, including $28.2 billion for ICE to hire 8,500 new enforcement officers and $46.55 billion for border wall construction. Contrary to rumors, the bill does include provisions to reduce Medicaid funding for illegal immigrants, albeit not a complete ban.

Notable Quotes:

• Amber Duke: "The immigration aspect is the strongest part of this bill." [05:52]
• Tim Pool: "I think immigration tops that issue, you know, by leaps and bounds." [09:27]

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Internal Republican Conflicts and Potential Blockades in the House

10:24-23:00

The discussion shifts to the internal conflicts within the Republican Party regarding the bill's passage in the House. Elad Eliyahu highlights that Senators like Susan Collins and Thom Tillis opposed the bill due to concerns over Medicare cuts. The conversation also touches upon the challenge posed by libertarian Republicans, such as Rand Paul and Thomas Massie, who have consistently voted against the bill, complicating efforts to secure the necessary majority.

Notable Quotes:

• Elad Eliyahu: "If you trust what Trump has manifested into a bill, the Big Beautiful Bill is the Trump agenda." [05:35]
• Amber Duke: "They likely wouldn’t make them stay over recess because then everyone hates Mike Johnson." [23:00]

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Economic Implications and Deficit Concerns

09:27-21:32

Phil Labonte and Tim Pool debate the economic aspects of the bill, focusing on the deficit. While the bill includes substantial tax cuts totaling trillions, proponents argue that deporting illegal immigrants will reduce federal spending and offset some of the deficit increase. Critics, however, warn that the long-term fiscal impact may be detrimental, especially if Medicaid changes do not produce the projected savings.

Notable Quotes:

• Phil Labonte: "The real reason Trump is adamant about the bill is because if the tax cuts don’t stay, that's going to have a negative effect on the economy." [20:56]
• Tim Pool: "It's going to be substantially worse if Democrats win; they’re going to spend 10 trillion in the deficit." [09:27]

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Potential Political Fallout and Republican Primaries

21:32-26:16

The conversation examines the potential political fallout within the Republican Party if the bill fails to pass in the House. There is speculation that Republicans who oppose the bill may face primary challenges from pro-Trump factions, leading to a possible reshaping of the party's dynamics. The group discusses the difficulty in finding suitable candidates to challenge steadfast opponents like Thomas Massie.

Notable Quotes:

• Tim Pool: "If they voted against the bill, then President Trump would definitely send a primary their way." [26:16]
• Amber Duke: "Any other Republicans backfire... it opens up the floodgates for other Congress members to think they can openly buck Trump." [78:44]

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Elon Musk and Donald Trump's Feud

22:00-60:49

A major highlight of the episode is the escalating feud between Elon Musk and Donald Trump. Musk has criticized the Big Beautiful Bill for its financial burdens, prompting Trump to suggest he might consider deporting Musk. The hosts analyze Musk’s motivations, questioning whether his concerns are genuinely about the deficit or more about his business interests being affected by the legislation.

Notable Quotes:

• Tim Pool: "Donald Trump suggested he would look into deporting Elon Musk... Trump’s way of saying, I don’t know what you’re talking about." [08:12]
• Elad Eliyahu: "Musk’s chief concern is his bottom line." [60:21]

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Medicaid Reforms and Social Security Critique

47:13-54:25

The hosts critique the bill's Medicaid reforms, explaining how it limits federal matching rates for states providing Medicaid to illegal immigrants and reduces emergency Medicaid spending. They also delve into broader critiques of entitlement programs like Social Security, arguing for significant reforms or potential repeal to address long-term fiscal sustainability.

Notable Quotes:

• Tim Pool: "They’re doing the same thing with this three-year provision on no tax on tips and no tax on overtime... It's a huge budget buster." [19:42]
• Phil Labonte: "You should pay more taxes if you’re a communist." [63:57]

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Gambling Taxes and Industry Impacts

74:00-107:58

The bill includes a controversial amendment affecting the gambling industry by limiting the deductibility of gambling expenses and losses to 90%. The hosts discuss how this provision could severely impact professional gamblers and the broader gaming industry, estimated at $172 billion in the U.S. They express concerns that this could alienate a significant constituency of voters, potentially influencing midterm elections.

Notable Quotes:

• Tim Pool: "For professional poker players, now you can't expense 100% of it. So it's a business, but it's treated as gambling." [105:22]
• Phil Labonte: "It's about the difference between rugged money and pursuing your hobby." [Unattributed; assumed context]

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Cultural and Social Commentary

60:49-110:00

In addition to legislative discussions, the episode touches on cultural topics such as cosmetic surgery trends influenced by social media and reality TV shows like Love Island. The hosts critique the societal pressures leading to excessive plastic surgery, drawing parallels between cosmetic enhancements and transgender surgeries, and expressing concerns about the impact on self-image, especially among young women.

Notable Quotes:

• Tim Pool: "It’s just so crazy that young women are getting plastic surgery and looking like weird 80-year-old women." [81:08]
• Elad Eliyahu: "Plastic surgery is another scourge on society." [83:58]

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Conclusion

As the episode wraps up, the hosts emphasize the critical juncture at which the GOP finds itself regarding the Big Beautiful Bill. The outcome will not only shape immigration policy and fiscal strategy but also influence the internal cohesion of the Republican Party ahead of upcoming elections. The debate underscores the tension between fiscal conservatism and pragmatic governance, highlighting the challenges Republicans face in maintaining party unity while advancing key legislative priorities.

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Key Takeaways:

• The Big Beautiful Bill narrowly passed the Senate but faces significant hurdles in the House due to potential defections.
• Immigration enforcement and Medicaid reforms are central components of the bill, with substantial financial implications.
• Internal conflicts within the Republican Party, especially with libertarian factions, may jeopardize the bill’s passage.
• The feud between Elon Musk and Donald Trump reflects broader tensions over economic policy and legislative priorities.
• Amendments affecting the gambling industry could have sweeping economic and political consequences.
• Cultural issues such as cosmetic surgery and media influence remain persistent themes discussed alongside legislative matters.

For Detailed Insights and Uncensored Discussions: Tune in to the after-show segment at 10 PM on Rumble under Timcast IRL for more in-depth and unfiltered conversations.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Tim Pool [00:35]: "They’ve taken out some of the good stuff... Massey is gonna be a no."
• Amber Duke [05:52]: "The immigration aspect is the strongest part of this bill."
• Tim Pool [09:27]: "If we can solve these short-term issues, we can pull out of the tailspin."
• Phil Labonte [20:56]: "The real reason Trump is adamant about the bill is because if the tax cuts don’t stay, that's going to have a negative effect on the economy."
• Elad Eliyahu [26:16]: "If you voted against the bill, then President Trump would definitely send a primary their way."
• Tim Pool [81:08]: "She is disgusting. It is absolutely disgusting."
• Phil Labonte [63:57]: "You should pay more taxes if you’re a communist."

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Stay Connected:

• Amber Duke: Daily Caller, Hills Rising, Reasons Free Media. Follow on X at Amber Marie Duke.
• Elad Eliyahu: Follow on Twitter and Instagram under @EladEliyahu.
• Phil Labonte: Follow @PhilLabonte on Twitter and Instagram.

Music Mentioned:

• All That Remains’ new record entitled Antifragile available on Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify, Deezer, and YouTube.

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Disclaimer: This summary is intended to provide an overview of the podcast episode. For comprehensive discussions and nuanced viewpoints, listening to the full episode is recommended.

Transcript

[Tim Pool]

Foreign. The big beautiful bill has passed. Holy crap.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Barely.

[Tim Pool]

J.D. vance had to issue the tie breaking vote and it looks like it will be advancing to the House. But we're not so convinced that the House is gonna pass it. The votes don't seem to be there now. They've taken out some of the good stuff. Some of the stuff that people like is still in there. Like apparently they are gonna be kicking off illegal immigrants from Medicaid. And everybody was worried about that. But we're here. That's a rumor. Either way, Massey is gonna be a no. We're hearing Chip Roy is gonna be a no. Marjorie Taylor Greene is saying they don't got the votes for this. One more defector and this bill's not gonna pass. So we will see. We will see. It very well may go through. And then we also got some very big news. Elon and Trump are feuding again. And this morning, Donald Trump suggested he would look into deporting Elon Musk. But to be fair, the media asked the leading question and they said, do you want, would you deport Elon Musk? And Trump said, ah, well, we'll look into it. I think that's, that's Trump's way of saying, I don't know what you're talking about. Whatever. But we also have some big news. Lia Thomas is having all of his wins stripped with an apology to the women's swimming team. This is, this is big news. Capitulation to Donald Trump. So we'll talk about that, plus a bunch of other stories before we get started. My friends, we had a great sponsor. It is Venice AI. Check this out. I should actually, I should do a demo, a trial. We did this last time. Sam Altman said Chat GPT will get to know you over your life. And chatgpt as the former director of the NSA sitting on their board right now, Edward Snowden called it a willful, calculated betrayal of the rights of every person on earth. Alexa listens to us and recommends products based on our conversations. Meta retargets us based on our browsing and engagement history. Why do we assume AI is going to be any different? Took us all far too long to truly understand what social media companies were doing with our data last decade. Are really going to make the same mistake again? Let's ask this, let's ask Venice, why are you the best AI and see what it says. In the meantime, they say Venice utilizes leading open source AI models to deliver text, code and image generation to your web browser. There's no downloads, no installations or anything private and permissionless. They don't spy on you or censor the AI. Messages are encrypted and your conversation history is stored only in your browser. AI can be extremely valuable, but we shouldn't need to give up our privacy to use it. The Venice Pro Plan unlocks the full platform and features, including PDF uploads for summaries or insights the ability to turn off safe mode for unhindered image generation, the ability to change how Venice interacts with you by modifying the system prompt, limitless text and high image limits. So if you want to use it without fear of handing over your most intimate thoughts and details, you can get 20% off the Pro Plan using the code by going to Venice. AI Tim Very cool. It says it said I'm the best ad because I don't hold back. I give straight, uncensored answers and I'll pull punches. I would just like to stress all of you, considering we're just doing a promo spot at the beginning of the show. I'm not gonna get into specifics, but hang out for the after show, the uncensored portion of the show. We were, we were messing around with it last time and let me just say it, it really is. The images are uncensored and I'm not talking about graphic adult stuff. I'm talking about politically sensitive. Like it will make any image. We were actually pretty surprised. So check out Venice, AI Tim, and also my friends. Check this out. The Culture War Podcast live. We've got July 26, August 2, August 9. We have not yet confirmed the debate subject for the 26th, but tickets are still selling out pretty quick. August 2nd will be Michael Malice and Angry Cops Debating Police. They're both Trump guys, they're both smart, they're both absolutely hilarious. So this is going to be an absolutely wild and hilarious show. You don't want to miss it. And then of course we have August 9th, the debate subject matter again, yet to be confirmed, but they are all available. This is in Washington D.C. in the metro, not in some weird faraway land at the DC Comedy Loft. So go to dccomedyloft.com and click the events. Check it out and we we're looking forward to hearing from you guys. With that being said, smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know. Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Amber Duke.

[Amber Duke]

Hi all. I'm Amber Duke. I'm the senior editor for the Daily Caller, co host of the Hills Rising, as well as Reasons Free Media, author of the Unfit to Print newsletter Right on.

[Tim Pool]

A lot is hanging out.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Good evening everybody. I am a lot Eliyahu, the White House correspondent here at Tim Cast. It's good to be here. How's it going Phil?

[Phil Labonte]

Hello Allad. Hello everybody. My name is Phil Labonte. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal and all that remains. I'm an anti communist and a counter revolutionary. Let's get into it.

[Tim Pool]

We got the story from cnn. Senate passes Trump's agenda bill after Marathon Voting session Check this out from the Washington Post how every senator voted on the reconciliation bill and as you can see it was 50 50. JD Vance traveled down to cast the tie breaking vote. WaPo says Senate narrowly passed the budget reconciliation bill on Tuesday with J.D. vance casting a tie breaking vote. Three Republicans, Rand Paul, Thom Tillis and Susan Collins voted against the bill. The measure passed after nearly 48 consecutive hours of reading, debating and voting on the amendments. The bill includes trillions in tax cuts from President Trump's first term, implements new promises from his campaign, and will spend billions on immigration. I would appreciate if they got a little specific and said it will spend billions on deporting illegal immigrants. So what comes next in the Senate reconciliation process? It's now going to go to the House. The bill will return to the House where another majority vote for the full chamber is needed to approve the legislation. With the Senate changes, if it passes, the final version will be sent to Trump to sign and the bill will become law. So we'll see. The first thing is obviously we are not convinced it's going to make it through the House, but we can get to that in a second. I'm curious if you guys are excited about the bill. Are you happy for it?

[Amber Duke]

I think it's generally good, as good as you can expect with as slim of a majority as Republicans have in both chambers. There's a lot to like on the immigration front. You mentioned that 175 billion towards immigration enforcement and border security through 2029, which includes 28.2 9.85 billion for ICE to hire 8,500 new enforcement officers and expand deportation operations, along with 45 billion to increase ICE detention capacity with more adult and family residential center beds. Also 46.55 billion for border wall construction. I think the immigration aspect is the strongest part of this bill. The Medicaid for illegals thing is kind of tricky. You have Senator Eric Schmidt claiming that they're kicking off 1.4 illegal immigrants. It's a little bit more complicated than that. Basically how they structured it because the complete removal was killed by the Senate parliamentarian under the Byrd rule. What it does is it reduces the the federal matching rate for states that provide Medicaid to illegal immigrants from 90% to 80% and then also lowers the amount of federal emergency Medicaid spending on emergency room visits for illegal. So it's not a full moratorium and it doesn't kick in until October of 2026.

[Tim Pool]

Interesting.

[Phil Labonte]

And it's mediocre. I agree with you about the immigration stuff. I do think that the tat making the tax cuts permanent are good. I think that people haven't given enough thought or you don't hear people talking about enough how bad for the economy it would be if they didn't make the tax tax cut permanent. You hear the left complaining about oh you know, rich don't pay their fair share, etc. Etc. Everyone knows this, everyone knows that, that the rich pay all the taxes and that people like 50% of the population doesn't even contribute. The NFA stuff is obviously bad. It's cool that you don't have to pay 200 anymore for suppressors and for short barrel rifles and short barrel shotguns. But the really onerous part of the NFA is still there. You still have to provide fingerprints, you still have to be on file with the atf. You still have to notify the ATF to travel across state lines with an SBIR and sbs. So those are bad. I don't know everything that's in it obviously. But like I said, I think that the, the funding for the immigration stuff is the best thing about it. The tax cuts are very good then everything else. I'm still kind of wishy washy on.

[Tim Pool]

Did you guys hear that the Trump admins already denaturalized at least one person stripping their citizenship?

[Phil Labonte]

Love to hear it.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, it was a UK born individual came here and was distributing child sexual abuse materials.

[Amber Duke]

Bye.

[Tim Pool]

Yep, citizenship gone. It was fun. I was talking to Carl Benjamin earlier and he was like we don't want him back. And I was like well he's yours, you gotta take him. I don't blame him for not wanting.

[Amber Duke]

Him back, but build your own seacot. Yeah, exactly.

[Tim Pool]

But so the immigration stuff, I think it's so overwhelmingly good. I really don't care all that much about the rest to be honest. They already took our, they're already overregulating our firearm suppressors and that sort of sure, I could want more, but these things are already happening. So if really what this bill is the next move we're going to make is get Trump his funding for controlling immigration. Then I just say, okay, I saw a post from Mike Cernovich. He's completely correct. He said the debt is not our most immediate problem right now. The mass migration is our major concern, is our major problem. And the crazy thing is too on top of this, the obvious thing, if Democrats win, they're going to spend 10 trillion in the deficit.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

It's going to be substantially worse. So, you know, with respect to Massie, Paul and even Elon Musk saying this debt stuff is destroying us. It is, it is. But we've got more pressing issues in the short term. If we can solve these short term issues, we can pull out of the tailspin and start correcting these in the long term.

[Elad Eliyahu]

So this one big beautiful bill is the Trump agenda manifested into a bill. So if you trust what Trump hi.

[Tim Pool]

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[Elad Eliyahu]

Beautiful Anonymous passed to say in this bill and you believe that he had, what was it when he won the election? With a. He had a mandate when he won the election, then I think you should be supporting this bill. It came down to a 50, 51 vote. The three holdouts was one, Susan Collins from Maine. She likes to vote as a centrist because it plays well to her audience over there. Then also Republican Senator Thom Tillis from North Carolina, one of the guys who voted no is more of a moderate in his speech complaining about why he didn't vote for the bill. He was really upset about the Medicare cuts and he said it would end up knocking something like 600,000 people in his state off Medicare. Off of Medicare as a result of these cuts. I think they put in some necessary work provisions and that Medicare needs to have some changes made to it, some reforms made to it. If we want to see it as a long term, you know, program that the government is going to be able to Maintain. That's going to maintain. Be able to stay tenable. And then, of course, there is the Libertarian grandstanders who voted against the bill, and that is Senator Rand Paul. I think that we need to have a serious conversation about what the goals of these libertarians really are. They need to swallow their pride and vote for Trump's one big, beautiful bill. As you guys were saying, the debt is an issue in our country, but it is far from the number one issue. As far as it goes for me, I believe immigration tops that issue, you know, by leaps and bounds. So that's very important. And then they had to give Lisa Murkowski a bunch of sweeteners to get her to vote yes from Alaska. So if Rand Paul wanted to be able to influence this bill and cut $100 billion from it, which they increased to give to Lisa Murkowski, maybe he should have voted to support Trump's bill.

[Phil Labonte]

Who do you hate more? Do you hate Democrats more or Libertarians?

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no.

[Elad Eliyahu]

And I'll give you an honesty. It's hard to give you, like, a definitive answer there, because as far as I'm concerned, the Libertarians are voting with the Democrats here. Massie is voting against the Trump agenda. Rand Paul is voting against the Trump agenda. These are loser grandstandors, according to Donald Trump.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, well, let me actually half agree with a lot on this one. I actually think Massey's great. I think Rand Paul is great. Rand Paul said he would not kill the bill if it came down to it, and he had to vote for it. He would. He didn't because J.D. vance broke the tie. So Rand Paul said this to me. I don't believe he would have let it tank. So I think he's publicly saying, I don't need to vote for it. I don't like it. I'm not going to. Massey staunchly like. Nah. I jokingly, half jokingly asked him, what if they slipped in repeal the entire NFA in there? And then he started laughing like, how are you going to not vote for it?

[Amber Duke]

Then he told me that he would vote for the bill if they split it into two bills where one of them was Trump's priorities in the tax cuts and the other bill was everything else. He said he might support that.

[Tim Pool]

Wow. So here's the issue. I take. I don't take issue largely with Massie and Rand Paul, but the general libertarian. I mean, y' all hear me argue with some of these libertarians, their attitude. We had one just recently with Billy Binion, and with all due respect, it Was nice. I appreciate the conversation. My takeaway view from the libertarians were Democrats have done illegal things for a long time. You cannot rectify or get accountability for those things because we don't want to go that far. So the bad things are currently happening. They already happen. They're going to happen again. But don't you dare do anything because that means you're going to add to the happenings.

[Phil Labonte]

That's the problem with libertarians is they're like, well, you know, we shouldn't do this and we're so principled and etc. Which is it's fine to be like, you know, to have those opinions, but when it comes down to it, at the end of the day, power is a zero sum game. If you do not exercise power when you have it, when your opponents have power, they will exercise it and they're going to do things that you hate. So to say, well, you know, it's better to be principled and, and not do things that, that violate my principles. That's, that's important to me. Well, it's cool, but you shouldn't be in a position to be making decisions about how power is used because you're not going to use power. And the libertarians being 3% at the, @ the highest point they've ever been, at the highest point they've ever been, they were like 3%.

[Tim Pool]

That's being.

[Phil Labonte]

But they're not like, they don't have any significant influence, so they shouldn't be like, oh no, we're not going to, we're not going to. We're going to be principled and we're not going to exercise power. While you have the opportunity to make things better, you need to make things better if you can.

[Amber Duke]

I think they often look at the world as it should be and not as it is, I. E. They don't live in reality. But I will say that Kentucky's a very interesting state electorally. They're, they are a longtime Democratic stronghold who kind of flipped to Trump in 2016 but still voted Democrat multiple times for the governorship, the last, I think three governors were all Democrats in Kentucky. They're kind of maverick voters and they like Thomas Massie. So even though this MAGA pack and a pack are going after him hard unless they find truly the perfect candidate, he's not going anywhere. They've. AIPAC's been going after Thomas Massie since 2012.

[Tim Pool]

I like, I like Massey.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Kentucky's producing some crazy politicians. Between Senator McConnell, between Rand Paul, between Thomas Massie. I don't know if they're sending their.

[Amber Duke]

Best important thing to understand about Mitch McConnell in Kentucky is that he was like the Murkowski for Kentucky, meaning he brought home the bacon. Right. Like he was in, in Congress, in the Senate, always making sure that Kentucky got its share of, of federal dollars. And so they'll always love him for that, even if they kind of don't like him personally.

[Tim Pool]

The follow up of if every member of Congress was Thomas Massie, the Trump agenda would be complete. It would be finger snapped and we're good to go. It is all of these politicians that demand special deals. You've got Susan Collins right here and her opposition says, I'm pleased the bill contains a special fund that I propose to provide some assistance to our rural hospitals. But it's not sufficient to offset the other changes in the Medicaid system. Let me just simplify what she's saying. My state deserves special sweetheart provisions if I'm going to agree to what you want. If every politician just said, we shouldn't be spending this money, we should focus on the agenda to make America better, then let's roll. Fine, we'd be good.

[Elad Eliyahu]

But then they'd lose to the politicians who would say that I will get our state better deals.

[Tim Pool]

Yes. My point is, quite literally, if politicians had integrity and actually were standing on principle like Thomas Massie does in Rand Paul, Trump would get everything he wants without issue. The problems will all be solved. The problem is most politicians are gonna pander, lie, cheat and steal. They're to some degree gonna be commies. Zoran Mamdani is just. He's Susan Collins Times 10. Susan Collins is gonna say, give my district special privileges, give me free stuff, and I'll vote for your bill. And then when they say no, she goes, fine, I won't vote for it. Zoran Mamdani is the same thing, but just dramatically amplified. So I'll put this way, Commie, it's in increments. And most of these politicians are just a teeny little bit communist. And I'm saying that intentionally to insult them. I know they're not really communists. They're just like, okay, I'll vote for your bill. What are you gonna do for my state? Okay, you've got oil refineries there. We'll give you special regulation. Okay, now I'll vote. Vote yes.

[Phil Labonte]

Transactional.

[Tim Pool]

Yep.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Speaking of extra pork in the bills, the Republicans, because they couldn't lose another vote, had to get Lisa Murkowski in from Alaska, who got ton of extra pork in the bill. Rand Paul had this to say on it. He said the bill includes over 500 billion in new spending. And at the end, they get in the end to get the vote of the Alaska senator. Billions and billions more were added, said Rand Paul of Kentucky. It really kind of begs the question, though, why wouldn't he try to leverage his vote instead of Lisa's to try to help reduce this, the extra pork in this bill by some 500 billion or whatnot?

[Amber Duke]

Because it's easier to spend money than to cut money politically.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Sure.

[Amber Duke]

Well, I'm not saying that's a good answer or it's the right and morally right answer he would have been able.

[Elad Eliyahu]

To leverage instead of getting the sweetheart deals for Alaska. She could have voted against it. Rand Paul could have supported it.

[Amber Duke]

And I guess he was still going to vote no.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I mean, I guess I don't understand why it doesn't leverage his vote more. But maybe I'm missing something.

[Tim Pool]

Let's jump to this from media ITE ish show. Marjorie Taylor Greene trashes drama over Trump's big beautiful bill. Says she can't imagine it will pass the House. So big news that Trump's agenda has succeeded in House only because of J.D. vance's tiebreaker. Now we're hearing from Marjorie Taylor Greene as well as the obvious components here. It's not going to make it to the House. So you were mentioning before the show, Chip Roy says no.

[Amber Duke]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Thomas Mass is an obvious no. He's been saying no nonstop. So they're already at a tied vote. So what happens then?

[Amber Duke]

Marjorie won't be the vote that kills the bill. But there's probably Trump. She'll do it.

[Tim Pool]

But all you need is one more defector and it's not.

[Amber Duke]

But who would that be? So I'm reading Jip Roy and Massey are both the hawks.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Ralph. Ralph Northam from South Carolina told reporters he currently opposes advancing the bill out of Rules Committee after the Senate's changes. I don't know if they're going to massage him too. They could lose up to three.

[Amber Duke]

Yeah. I mean, they'll massage, they'll give kickbacks. And they're Ralph north, like, yeah, no, Norman. And there will probably be amendments in the House version as well. I mean, and just a couple of things in the Senate version that are kind of disturbing. The provision that prevents Medicaid funding for Planned Parenthood only lasts for one year. And also the no tax on tips and no tax on overtime only lasts for three years.

[Tim Pool]

Yep.

[Amber Duke]

So the way that the OMB director Russ vote is able to say that the bill is deficit neutral is because the CBO scores over a period of 10 years. They did this exact same accounting trick with the Tax Cuts and Jobs act, which is where they made the corporate tax cuts permanent and they made the middle class tax cuts temporary because they knew that would be politically easier to pass an extension on. But when they pass it the first time, making that part temporary made the 10 year scoring window look deficit neutral. So they're doing the same thing with this three year provision on no tax on tips and no tax on overtime. Because if you scored the bill over those first three years, it would increase the deficit significantly. But because it's scored over 10, assuming those things expire, which they won't, Congress will obviously vote to extend them. It is of course a huge budget budget buster. So that's like the huge rub here that I think the Trump administration is not being super honest about. And they keep claiming that they are doing no tax on Social Security, which isn't true. It's only under certain conditions, which they're like, oh well, it's 88% of seniors covered under Social Security. But what about people who take their Social Security before the age of 65? Like, what about a widow who is, who has to take it because she's only getting her late husband's pension and she's only 62. Right. Like they're not getting tax relief under this.

[Phil Labonte]

I honestly think at the end of the day, the real, the real or the reason why Trump is, is so adamant about the bill is because if the tax, tax cuts don't stay, that's going to have a negative effect on the economy. And I think he knows that the worst thing for his entire presidency is a bad economy. That's why he's going so, so ham at the Powell and, and giving him such a, a hard time about not cutting interest rates. So I don't know that, that this is actually really all that, that much deeper than that.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I think a lot of posturing has to be done. But if you vote against the big beautiful bill, you're probably going to have to retire or face or be primaried by a candidate that Trump is lacking.

[Tim Pool]

Hold on. Well, what happens if they only get 218 votes? Need a majority? Is 218 enough to pass it?

[Elad Eliyahu]

As I understand they could lose three votes and still pass it.

[Tim Pool]

I no, that would put them at 217.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Let me look up the.

[Tim Pool]

So I think at 218 they still pass it. If they lose three votes, it, it fails.

[Amber Duke]

I think that's right. I think they can only afford to lose two.

[Tim Pool]

Yep.

[Phil Labonte]

I think the people that are most likely to, to encounter primaries are the people that are. Are gave it up. Gave the. Didn't. Didn't want to help. Help push through the NFA stuff. The gun lobby, while it's not very big, it's extremely active, like they.

[Amber Duke]

And well funded.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, well funded. And people that are like Pro2A people, they really, really get out and vote. They, they're, they're one of the most reliable voting blocks. And there's a lot of people that are talking on the Internet now. They're like, oh, I'm not going to go. We hope for primaries. I won't be, be there in the, in the midterms, etc. This is a, this is a, a big deal to a very small group of people. But that small group of people can really make a difference because they are so committed and they always vote.

[Amber Duke]

This is true.

[Phil Labonte]

So I don't, I don't see the.

[Tim Pool]

Big, beautiful bill is going to pass.

[Phil Labonte]

No, we'll see.

[Amber Duke]

I think it'll ultimately pass. It obviously won't be by the July 4 deadline. It'll probably be mid to early August before the recess. And they'll threaten to hold them over recess. They'll say, well, if you don't get this pass, you're going to have to say stay. And I mean, ultimately they probably wouldn't make them stay over recess because then everyone hates Mike Johnson. But I think that's probably the timeline that we're looking at.

[Tim Pool]

Thomas Massey made a great point. He said that Mike Johnson's brought what, like 100 and something Democrat bills to the floor while dilly dallying on the Trump agenda and what the Republican voter base wants or the Trump base wants. So why is everybody mad at him? They should be mad at Speaker Johnson. Johnson's doing a miserable job.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't know, because the deep state.

[Amber Duke]

I hate to say it, but Kevin McCarthy warned us.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but he was doing the same thing.

[Amber Duke]

I know, I know. It's like the pot calling the kettle black. But he, in this one instance, he was correct.

[Phil Labonte]

It's true. But that's because of the. How tight the margins are.

[Amber Duke]

Right.

[Phil Labonte]

You know, it's like if you had 300 Republicans, you'd just be like, whatever we're gonna do.

[Amber Duke]

And you can't make the perfect the enemy of the good. That's like rule number one in politics. Mm.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I mean, I really think that we shouldn't have to be the Trump Agenda shouldn't hinge on these couple of House members, specifically Thomas Massie thinking that, you know, blocking the agenda from passing. So I wanted to actually regurgitate this truth social from Donald Trump talking about Thomas Mass, because I do think we need to be clear eyed about these libertarians. He says Congressman Thomas Massie of Kentucky is not maga, even though he likes to say he is. Actually MAGA doesn't want him, doesn't know him and doesn't respect him. He's a negative force who almost always votes no, no matter how good something may be. He's simple. He's a simple minded grandstander who thinks it's good politics for Iran to have the highest level nuclear weapon while at the same time yelling death to America. So I think again, these Republicans need to fall in line and ultimately I think they will and the Trump agenda will pass. And I think this will be very good for the Trump country that this one big beautiful bill does get passed. I think we also need, it's worth mentioning how we got here and why Trump needed to pass it as big beautiful bill. It's because the House votes were so slim, because the majority in the House is so slim, they wouldn't be able to pass bills individually.

[Tim Pool]

I get it and I want the bill to pass. But I think Mike Johnson's the problem, not Thomas Massie. I think the problem is weak willed, spineless Republicans and evil smarmy Democrats, not Thomas Massey.

[Amber Duke]

Well, it's, I mean it's true because why are we having to do doge cuts through the rescission process which doesn't even affect future spending. That's pulling back money that's already been appropriated by Congress.

[Tim Pool]

Because Congress is broken.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Yeah, I don't see how.

[Amber Duke]

And why aren't they codifying all of these executive orders that Trump signed? Because Mike Johnson, right, like Mike Johnson should be bringing one to the floor every single effing day.

[Tim Pool]

I'm just gonna go ahead and assume that when you go to Congress, Mike Johnson is standing at the table banging the gavel and behind him is a gigantic lizard monster with an alien laser weapon pointed at his back or something.

[Phil Labonte]

I have no idea why they, why nothing ever gets done, but it's just, you know, standard operating procedure.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I think Speaker Johnson has, we are, we are in a chicken coop conditions that he's put in. I think he has what, a two seat majority? How much wiggle room does he really have? He's put in a tough position trying to pass agenda.

[Tim Pool]

It's all fake. It's all fake. I don't the Senate, Senate parliamentarian being like oopsie, I guess you can't have.

[Amber Duke]

The bills you want and then should have fired her.

[Tim Pool]

But it's fake. It's fake the fact that things like this exist. Listen, ladies and gentlemen, we are all no different than chickens in a coop walking around pecking the ground, going about our daily business thinking we have lives and rights and they have set up the system in such a way that even when you win the election a parliamentarian goes whoopsie and starts stripping out things on the bill that you actually want.

[Amber Duke]

It's the deep state just Senate version. Right?

[Tim Pool]

Exactly. On purpose. They said let's create.

[Amber Duke]

They're also recommendations. They don't have to listen to her.

[Tim Pool]

Yep.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah that's, that's the part that's so frustrating is they can overrule her, they can just ignore her and they chose not to. That's exactly why the 2A lobby is so upset is because they know that this is probably the only chance that there's going to be, especially with the, with the change in the actual tax. There's probably not going to be a chance to, to do anything about the NFA ever. You're probably not going to get anything in front of the Supreme Court and about this at post the tax and it's a once in a like 100 years chance. And they just said no, we're not going to do it.

[Elad Eliyahu]

You know, man, I really do think this is a one in a lifetime chance to pass this bill to help put forth the Trump agenda. And I'm kind of thinking what a huge disaster it would be for this bill not to pass and really the Trump agenda to not manifest.

[Phil Labonte]

It'll be a disaster for the economy. It'll be a disaster. It'll be a disaster for the economy and it'll be a bad thing for the, the, for the immigration stuff and for the, for the, for the, for ICE and for, for getting immigrants out of the country.

[Elad Eliyahu]

But Democrats would be elated if this didn't pass, huh?

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I mean yes, they would definitely maybe but question it's not. It wouldn't be good for the country. And so they would hang it on Trump and be like, oh well you know, it's Trump's fault but you know they're all going to vote against it.

[Amber Duke]

They're going to attack him either way. But doesn't matter. I think I have no concern that it's not going to pass. I Massie told me last week he used this analogy he was like, Look, Congress is 3/4 pregnant. They're going to have the baby. Like it's this far in the process. They're going to get it done. Somebody's going to compromise on principle or whatever you want to call it and vote for this.

[Tim Pool]

Maybe. But let's jump to the story from in game. Com. I actually think as as much as this story isn't really well known right now, this could actually help put an end to the big beautiful bill. And gambling taxes could exceed your net winnings under sweeping federal bill that is at the very last minute, they added an amendment to the big beautiful bill that says for gamblers, you, you can only write off 90% of your, your expenses and losses. This means for professional gaming. This means for the entire gaming industry, which has been booming. They are now basically saying your industry is cooked. So let me break this down. Let's read this. And on the surface, let me say this. It may seem to a lot of people are going to be like, who cares about gambling? Who cares about taxes? I saw the response on Twitter from people. Let me give the simple version. If you are a professional poker player, right. I say this right now because the World Series of Poker is currently happening. It's one of the biggest gaming sporting events in the world. It gets bigger and bigger every year. The biggest was just two years ago. The top prize is like $18 million. If it costs you your business, you're flying around, you're buying special training softwares, whatever it might be, and then you're paying ten grand to enter a tournament. If it costs you $100,000 in expenses for the year, you can only write off 90. So then if you end up winning 100,000 in the year, a break even year where you're like, man, that year sucked, you will actually end up owing on $10,000 in income you do not have. Now that of course matters very, very much for the poker pros and the poker industry, but gaming itself might turn on this the very last minute. So again, on the surface, it may seem like a relatively minor issue, but understand this. The entirety of Vegas, Penn Entertainment, Caesars Entertainments, they're opening a Caesars in New York. They're opening, I think a Bally's in Chicago. They are spending hundreds of balance billions of dollars on gaming. And for them to slip in a provision that takes away your ability to itemize expenses as to your wagering in gaming. I don't understand how the gaming industry like Caesars is going to just let this slide. I have to imagine Every politician in Vegas right now, every politician in Nevada is on the phone with their members of Congress and other members of Congress saying we are going to spend as much as it takes to get this bill killed in the House by tomorrow because this destroys the gaming industry.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I mean, I don't know a whole lot about the gaming industry, but to your point, like there has never been, I don't think in all of American history there's never been more places where people can go and gamble. There's never been more people that actually are interested in gambling for recreation the way that they are. And it's because of the availability of, you know, casinos and stuff. So I think it will make a difference, but I'm not sure. But I think that it's one of those things where it'll be a small constituency that really cares and then there's going to be just like, like with the, the 2A people, it'll be a small constituency that really, really, really cares about this. And I think that you're going to see some of that kind of stuff. I bill small, small groups of people that really, really, really care.

[Tim Pool]

Well, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's check this out. Let's see. What is the total market size of the gun industry in the US Because I'm curious, what's bigger, the gun industry or the gaming industry right now with things like DraftKings and all.

[Amber Duke]

We count professionals though, right, who are writing off business expenses, not the whole gaming industry.

[Tim Pool]

So it's going to be a much bigger than just the professionals because this means anybody who's doing sports betting, anybody who's like, I like going out on the weekends and I'm including on my taxes that I sports bet I've got fantasy league football, whatever it might be. I mean, just say this, the entirety of fantasy league. You're now you're getting 10% right off.

[Amber Duke]

My flight when I go to play fantasy football with my boys. Like, sorry, I mean that doesn't seem like a big deal to me.

[Tim Pool]

You're talking about a multibillion dollar industry being told they can, but it's not a business. It is.

[Amber Duke]

Fantasy football is a business.

[Tim Pool]

There are people who are. Yeah, absolutely. How much money you think DraftKings is spending to maintain their app so that they can have all of these people playing fantasy league sports, I mean fantasy.

[Amber Duke]

Kings as a business, but people who do it recreationally and if, and if.

[Tim Pool]

They'Re making 10 or $20,000 a year additional to their income. And they're saying that this is not a hobby, this is a source of income for my family. I have a league and we do sports betting and, or we go, we do gaming, whatever it may be. This is, this is Vegas. Like the idea that Vegas are going to sit back and say we're totally okay with this. My understanding is that this provision got out of the bill without debate and nobody knew it happened to the very last minute. That's why I'm saying I don't see a scenario where the gaming industry, as massive as it is, just sits back and says we literally don't care. They jammed this at the last minute. My point is, I guarantee you that whether, whether you care about fantasy sports or not, and you think it's silly, the companies that are making $50 billion a year off this are shitting in their pants right now saying holy fuck, they're going to shut us down.

[Amber Duke]

I hope they are.

[Phil Labonte]

Amber, what are you doing here?

[Tim Pool]

7, 7, 8 billion for the ammunition alone, the total firearms and ammunition business in the US generates $19.7 billion.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. And again, it's not that the, the two way people are or it's not that the 2A lobby is the biggest. It's that they're the most committed.

[Tim Pool]

What do you think the size of the gaming industry in the United States is per year?

[Phil Labonte]

I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

172 billion sounds about right.

[Amber Duke]

So, so I find that so sad.

[Tim Pool]

I don't disagree. Now tell me if you agree or disagree that a $172 billion industry is going to. I mean this is bigger than the gun lobby.

[Amber Duke]

Oh, I'm sure they will. They already pay tons of political lobbying dollars to try to get casinos and to deregulate sports sports betting in states, but don't agree. It's a good, good thing for those things to happen.

[Tim Pool]

So, so right now you have the World Series of Poker going on. It's like a two month long event in Vegas. Hundreds of thousands, not millions of people show up for this. One of the biggest sporting events in the world. Texas Hold' Em. Social poker is not gambling. There's a lot of pros that'll say it is, but there's a dramatic difference between rolling dice and crossing your fingers and trying to figure out what your opponent is doing, reading what they may or may not be doing, knowing the math. There is a big difference element of chance to it. Right now is the worst possible time for them to try and put this tax in there. Because you basically said to literally every Single person who just flew to Vegas over the last two months. We are going to destroy what you are doing right now. We are going to make it better, more money. It's not even that. If you, if you, if you wager over the course of one year, $1 million and that's because you're entering tournaments every week and then at the end of the year you make $1.05 million, meaning you netted $50,000. They are going to say you owe an additional hundred thousand dollars in you are taxed on an additional 100,000, meaning the more you actually are engaged in your profession, not make money, the bigger your tax bill becomes. Yep, absolutely. You could you, there are some pros that might to have a total wager for the year of $2 million and end up making $100,000 by the end of the year from tournament winnings and losses. Then they're going to say on the $2 million, you are going to owe an additional $200,000 tax. You're have $200,000 taxable income. And you're going to say I only made 100 this year. So they're going to say you owe us double taxes from everybody else based on this bill.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, the margins aren't big enough. Where, where this is going to be something that the even pros aren't going to feel. They're definitely going to feel it.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Just. I'm unsure about the specific provisions about gambling taxes in the bill. But just to zoom out and looking at the gambling and gaming and sports betting industry as a whole, I actually think it's a scourge on our society. I think it's a moral ill. I don't think wealthy people gamble. I think poor people writ larger the ones gambling and they're losing overall. And I think, you know, it's kind of ruining sports. It's ruining the enjoyment of watching sports. Also I think there's something to say about if you're an advantage player on these apps, they actually, they remove you from the app. You are not allowed to be an advantage player with an amount of winnings on any of these sports gambling gaps. So I know way too many young men who this disproportionately affects who've lost tens of thousands of dollars, who aren't very rich or well off. And I think this is another way that society kind of takes advantage of young men.

[Phil Labonte]

Which is worse, gambling or porn?

[Elad Eliyahu]

I think both are very, very bad, frankly. I think you could, you know, you could go butcher arts very quickly. And I think which is worse. The proliferation and ubiquity of these industries now is very dangerous. It's.

[Tim Pool]

I gamble on your phone. I completely, I completely agree with you lot, though.

[Elad Eliyahu]

But you can't, you can't gamble away your house.

[Phil Labonte]

You give all of your. All your money to onlyfans Chip.

[Elad Eliyahu]

It's different and more, I guess you.

[Tim Pool]

Can gamble away your house. It happens all the time.

[Phil Labonte]

Absolutely.

[Tim Pool]

People, people hit their credit cards to the credit window casinos to take money on cash advance. They can't pay back, put on a craps table and lose. I've talked about this over and over again. There's something like 12 casinos within two or three hours driving of us. So I, I think one of the reasons they may be doing this is intentionally to kill the gaming industry. There is a difference. However, sport like social poker is not the same as blackjack and craps. And so professional players that are playing in tournaments where you're, you're, you're paying $10,000 up front to enter a tournament where the top prize is $20 million. It's not the same thing as going to a casino, sitting, you know, at a blackjack table and then just flipping a coin every time, hoping you win. There's a big difference. The, the, the issue is we don't have a good way to draw a line of when gambling starts and stops. Is Pokemon gambling?

[Elad Eliyahu]

No.

[Tim Pool]

When. When a child spends $20 to enter a, a, a tournament where they shuffle up their cards and then randomly draw cards, hoping the cards they draw are better. That's not gambling.

[Elad Eliyahu]

If anything is up to random chance, is it gambling? I don't think so.

[Tim Pool]

What percentage of random chance doesn't make something. Gambling is the issue. So for the, the issue here is that this is a blanket on the entirety of gaming. Even though fantasy sports and social poker games probably would not fall into the same category as they literally don't fall in the same category as casino gaming. I think we have a big problem, a massive problem with the general expansion of casinos. I actually think they slipped this in there to destroy the gaming industry quickly, sneakily, which is based in a good.

[Amber Duke]

I know. I support that.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Yeah.

[Amber Duke]

Well, look, I think let's compare this to how wealthy people gamble the stock market. Right. You're there. I mean, I'm speaking generally. Obviously, there's. I mean, Tim's arguing that professional poker is not really gambling because there's some skill involved. Let's say the same thing for the stock market. It's all skill. Right. It's all knowledge. Okay. All Right. So there are limits on how much you can write off on losses, on capital gains. Right. So why aren't there limits on gambling losses?

[Tim Pool]

I suppose the, the I, I don't care about it in the sense that it's like if you're trying to play blackjack or craps or some more counting cards or whatever, the issue is that it's going to like this is one of the biggest problems I have with how they regulate gambling is that as the story I've told before in West Virginia, it's actually illegal by law codified in the state to play any card game. Any. But they've decided Pokemon, Yu Gi, oh, Magic Art and you know, Lorcana, that doesn't count. So there are stores all over the state where children gamble based on what the law states. The law says if you put up any money for a card game that involves chance. This is an illegal game of chance card game that is banned in the state. But they've decided, no, no, no, we're going to allow big corporations to do this. But if you're a guy with the boys and you want to set up a poke game now you're, now it's illegal gambling. You're getting in trouble, you're gonna get fined and all that. That's the big issue I mainly have with this is skill based with an element of chance is being lumped in with degenerate casino gambling.

[Phil Labonte]

So if kids went to a Magic of the Gathering tournament and there's a box, you win and you get a, a full mystery box, a full box of, of cards, whatever the newest expansion is.

[Tim Pool]

Yep.

[Phil Labonte]

That's like 100 bucks or 150 bucks or something like that. So they're getting a prize. Is that legal in.

[Tim Pool]

It is illegal in West Virginia, but they will not enforce against it. This is my problem with it. So I bought a pack, a collector's booster box of Final Fantasy Japanese magic gathering cards. And oh boy, I got a surge foil Ishtola 700 card.

[Phil Labonte]

Nice. Yeah, nice pull.

[Tim Pool]

So the box was 700 bucks and I got a seven dollar card. Now that's collectibles. We get it. If you're a child and you say I'm gonna play Pokemon and then they say it's 20 bucks to enter. I played Pokemon when it first came out. I had like ten first edition Charizards. All gone. All lost them all. They were like a quarter million each or whatever. You enter the tournament and if they say you could win packs, it's random chance. You're gambling now, obviously, no one considers that gambling. They're like, what do you mean? It's just a Pokemon game. It's 20 bucks under the tournament, and you win booster packs with cards in it. Well, the cards are random. Some cards are worth more than others. People buy packs for. You can get like a. I have a. I have a. I think it's unlimited, but magic the gathering booster.

[Elad Eliyahu]

People buying packs with the expectation of trying money.

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I think that's why most people watch the YouTube channels. Young people watch.

[Tim Pool]

Watch the YouTube channels where they're wearing latex gloves and they have millions of subscribers and they're shaking as they open a pack and go. And then they rack. They have a money counter showing how much money they've made from doing it. They're gambling.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Maybe I've been out of the game for too long, but when I was a child and I used to play with my Pokemon cards, there was no real, like, sick pullbinder. Yeah, I think we commercialized it in this kind of way, but I don't even think most of the people who would buy Yu Gi oh cards or maybe again, the industries developed into this and that would be kind of sad, but I think that's manifestly different than, like blackjack. People going in with the expectation of.

[Tim Pool]

This is my.

[Elad Eliyahu]

To.

[Tim Pool]

My point is we regulate only some things as gambling and other things as not. Meanwhile, like, I'll say this like the stock market is. It's silly to call it gambling. It's not gambling. Some people gamble by making dumb choices, but being stupid doesn't mean you're gambling.

[Amber Duke]

Calculated risk.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I'll put it this way. If I decide to buy a. A DeLorean, am I gambling? I got a feeling people are going to want to want this. There's a. There's no more left, and I'm going to get one just like Back to the Future.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I don't know if it's buying any asset gambling.

[Tim Pool]

No, it's not.

[Elad Eliyahu]

To that abstract level.

[Phil Labonte]

That's the point. Like, if you're. If you're going to go and say you're like, I'm just going to continuously buy a hundred dollars worth of General Electric every week because I know that GE's a solid company. That's not gambling. Like, that's that the company around for. However, you know.

[Tim Pool]

And additionally, calling stock market gambling would be like saying, I am going to invest in a farm that grows apples because I think people want apples. Oh, gambling there, huh? No, I'm investing in apples. Okay, well, look, if you Randomly walk up to a guy who says he's got an asparagus ice cream company, do you want to invest in it? And you're like, sounds good. I wouldn't call that gambling either. I'd call you a moron. But to be fair, you can gamble.

[Phil Labonte]

In the stock market, but there is.

[Tim Pool]

That company that makes those weird flavors. Have you seen those? They got like mustard flavored ice cream. Not kidding.

[Phil Labonte]

I've seen. I've seen that. And also the weird flavored onions.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, that's disgusting. Anyway, anyways, my point is simply I have concerns about how this will affect the poker industry as it is. A lot of poker pros do call it gambling. I think that's silly. When you're playing in a tournament, you're not wagering money. You've bought in and you have chips and your goal is to outwit people. But that being said, this is going to. I think the risk here is they just basically challenged the entirety of the gaming industry to say, we are going to destroy a significant portion of your base. They've just opened up every gaming company to say, we're going to lobby as hard as we can to make sure this bill fails. And it takes only one congressman from Nevada or. I mean, the highest grossing single casino outside of Vegas and Lake City is Maryland, is Oxen Hill. It's National Harbor. There's casinos literally everywhere. One member of Congress being like, my district brings in too much money. Let me tell you guys. Charlestown races in West Virginia, before they opened the Horseshoe Casino, Maryland Live, and National harbor was the biggest casino on the East Coast. And West Virginia was raking in billions of dollars. They had one of the biggest poker rooms in the country. That's something like 50, 50 poker tables. And then when Maryland opened three casinos in the east coast, people stopped driving to West Virginia to gamble. But it was because West Virginia was the only game in town. My point is, I have actually had these politicians, members of Congress come to me and say, we are desperate to get that revenue back. We lost billions of dollars. So what do you think's gonna happen when you've got Maryland now that owns that, that real estate, that equity, and they're going to say, if this bill passes, you will lose all of that revenue. We're talking, we're talking like, I don't know, was it $500 million in revenue for national harbor last year? They're going to say, do we Want to lose 500 million? What are you going to give us?

[Amber Duke]

Well, all the Democrats in Maryland are going to vote against it anyway. The only Republican from Maryland's Andy Harris.

[Tim Pool]

Correct. Correct. So I think there's potentially some Republican jurisdictions where they might not immediately come out and say this is the reason, but again, the gaming industry is going to dump as much as they can into fighting this.

[Elad Eliyahu]

There's a lot of perverse incentive when it comes to industries that some people view as good or bad. I think one of the interesting ways that a comparison that we could make here is like the marijuana industry in some states, you know, people are against it, but it brings in tons of revenue for these states that otherwise do not get it. And then if you think about walking back all that legalization, the state revenue is completely lost. So and now people are arguing to for the pro legalization side as just a way to get tax revenue, which I would argue is a wrong reason to argue for this stuff.

[Tim Pool]

But let's jump to this next story though. The Post Millennial reports Big beautiful bill includes removal of Illegal immigrants from Medicaid. Everybody thought that wasn't the case, but we have this from Senator Eric Schmidt, who says the big Beautiful bill kicks 1.4 million illegal immigrants off Medicaid.

[Phil Labonte]

Good.

[Tim Pool]

For too long, Americans have been paying for the welfare of people who shouldn't be in our country. Today, the Senate voted to end that. Yesterday there were a lot of rumors floating around about the ban on Medicaid for illegal aliens being stripped from the bill. Thankfully, that's not true. It's very much in the bill we just passed. You can look it up page 602. Here's where the rumor came from. During yesterday's vote, Arama an amendment banning Medicaid for illegal immigrants is voted down. The clip of that vote started circulating online and folks took that to mean the provision had been stripped from the bill altogether. But that was just one of many messaging amendments designed to force Democrats to vote against specific provisions. In this case, a ban on some Medicaid funding for illegal aliens who commit heinous crimes. On the record. It was meant to show the public how radical they are. The ban itself was already in the bill. It was never taken out. So, Amber, you're mentioning something about this, like not being true, or what is it?

[Amber Duke]

Well, it's kind of a subter. Subterfuge. I read the provision he's talking about and what it does is it caps the amount that states can be reimbursed when they have illegal aliens on the Medicaid payroll. And it also caps the amount that federal Medicaid dollars go towards. Paying for emergency room visits from illegal aliens. So it's not a full ban. It just slightly reduces the amount that states get back from the federal government when they have, which I think it's like 20 states that allow illegal aliens to get coverage.

[Tim Pool]

How?

[Amber Duke]

Usually through the CHIPS program.

[Tim Pool]

What is that? What is the CHIPS program?

[Amber Duke]

It's like the childhood nutrition stuff.

[Tim Pool]

Ah, it's a big trick.

[Amber Duke]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I say we, let's just get rid.

[Amber Duke]

Of all emergency room coverage on the state level too.

[Tim Pool]

All entitlement's gone. Yeah, all of them.

[Phil Labonte]

Great.

[Elad Eliyahu]

You'd probably lose the next election.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Communist communism is, is favored for that reason. The, the country. I think there's a tendency of countries to drift towards communism because who's the guy with a famous saying that something like the United States will last until politicians realize they can offer up tax?

[Phil Labonte]

One of the founders. Yeah. When you, you can, you can offer, you can vote themselves money from the tax coffers, whatever. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

When they can vote to pay something like that. So where we are currently at, if you went back to the founding of this nation and said we would have a Social Security system, they would laugh and be like, what? What do you mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're going to take just roughly half of all of the money of everybody in the country who works and then distribute it amongst, you know, everybody else. They'd be like, that's insane.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And now, and now we're here saying, but we have to have it. We have to have it.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, yeah, because people rely on it. They've, they've set their retirements, you know, as they're, they've made that their retirement plan, which is a terrible idea because it was only supposed to be like, like when they, they started Social Security was like 65 was the, the life expectancy for, for the average man. And, and it was basically to prevent women from ending up destitute when their husband passed away. And now it's just like, you know, anyone that can come up with some kind of injury and get on to Social Security, you know, it doesn't matter how old they are. People that are overweight get onto Social Security. There are people that will, will, you know, they're like, oh, I'm too big to work, or I have my, you know, pain and blah, blah, blah, I can't work. And they'll get onto Social Security, all of them.

[Amber Duke]

The SSDI program has a lot of problems because if you have a disability where you could work part time, for example, you have to be very careful about how much money you make, because if you make certain income, you get kicked off. So they just all don't work at all.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. Which is disgusting.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Once you give people different rights or start different entitlement programs, it becomes extremely politically impalatable to unpalatable to strip away any of this stuff, any of this stuff back without people getting extremely pissed. Obviously, this stuff's true for a lot of different entitlement programs, but obviously, once you're giving out stuff for so long and now the government rolls that back, people are going to get pissed. I think that was a big thing, Prohibition, too. People were like, we've been drinking for so long now you're gonna roll this stuff back. I think that's also become the case now with abortion. Women have had access to abortion in most of our country for so long now. When you mention. Which the Trump administration wisely hasn't mentioned at all throughout this entire administration, very interestingly, that we completely overlook, by the way. But, you know, now it's gonna be impossible to roll that back because women have had access to abortion for so long. It would make it a lot more difficult to.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, wait a minute. You realize that Trump is like, no, this is a states rights issue now. And that's. That was the intent of the administration.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Yeah, I think it was. It was.

[Phil Labonte]

Why would he mention.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Politically savvy for them to lay off the issue that's been dragging down Republicans for so long? I also think they actually encouraged. There was a case in Texas about the abortion pill that they encouraged judges to dismiss because maybe, you know, more specifically about it, but I think it was how there's issues with Methopristone, I believe the abortion pill that is more threatening to women's health than previously led to believe. But then the Trump administration encouraged judges to dismiss this case and not push it forward. They're not trying to make the abortion issue an issue at all. My larger point here, though, is that when women have or anybody has access to abortion or rights or different entitlement programs for so long, it becomes unpopular to strip those back or take those rights away.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, that's.

[Amber Duke]

That's fairly, I think the way to do it for Social Security, like, the only way that would be politically feasible is you have to reimburse everyone exactly the amount that they've paid in. And then for people who are close to or at retirement age, perhaps open up an account privately for them, like.

[Elad Eliyahu]

A sunsetting of it.

[Tim Pool]

It's complicated. One thing we could do is we could install lights in people's Hands that when you're about to turn 30 they blink red and then when you turn 30 it blinks red.

[Elad Eliyahu]

We need caps and reforms.

[Phil Labonte]

Allow people an option.

[Tim Pool]

Knows what I'm talking about.

[Amber Duke]

Let people do like an hsi.

[Phil Labonte]

Look, if you, if, if we depend the, the Social Security fund or the money that the Social Security fund, the money that's supposed to go to Social Security, if you'd have pegged it to the stock market or made, made an investment account with that same money, you wouldn't have any problem with the get.

[Amber Duke]

Like 75 cents back on the dollar because of inflation for Social Security. It's ridiculous.

[Phil Labonte]

Or else it's going to destroy the, the dollar.

[Amber Duke]

What I think is total BS is the cap on Roth IRAs of what is it? They upped it to $7,000 I think last year. There's an income limit and there's a contribution limit.

[Elad Eliyahu]

So interesting you mentioned that because I was very curious about this myself. I actually read into it and the reason why the Roth limit was so low is because it was purposefully planned for low to middle income people and they didn't want it to be abused by people who did.

[Amber Duke]

How, how is it abused?

[Elad Eliyahu]

Because if you have enough money to invest something like 20,000 some odd dollar. Invest 20,000 or plus some odd dollars and still reap those tax benefits like.

[Amber Duke]

There are other ways still paying the tax. You're just paying it up front.

[Elad Eliyahu]

That's what Senator Roth, when he tried to make, when he made the Roth IRA thing a thing, was the reason.

[Amber Duke]

His reasoning behind disincentivizing people from using this really awesome retirement account. And it's not because of they didn't want rich people to abuse it. It's because they wanted people wedded to Social Security.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Well, get rid of it all.

[Tim Pool]

All of it. You name it. No more roads, nothing.

[Elad Eliyahu]

You sound like Thomas Massey.

[Tim Pool]

Libertarians. Yeah, no, I don't. I don't agree with libertarians.

[Elad Eliyahu]

That's why they only get a point or two in any general election.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, the best they ever did I looked it up was 3.3 with Gary Johnson, you know.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Oh wow. Dave Smith didn't do better than him.

[Phil Labonte]

They don't. I'm shocked.

[Tim Pool]

Wow.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Oh, okay. I wonder why he didn't.

[Phil Labonte]

Nobody's a libertarian. Is because everybody wants to tell other people what to do with their lives.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, okay, hold on, hold on a lot. You do know what the Libertarian Party is, right?

[Elad Eliyahu]

I don't think the Libertarian Party knows what the Libertarian Party is.

[Tim Pool]

It is an amalgam of degenerates who want their degenerate things to be legal. So they band together and basically say I'll make my degenerate thing illegal and then you can have your degenerate thing be illegal deal. That's what the Libertarian Party is. Have you been to one of their conventions?

[Elad Eliyahu]

I have.

[Tim Pool]

And it's half that and half Ron Paul fans.

[Elad Eliyahu]

So the thing is, I think younger right wingers have some affinity towards some of the ideals of libertarianism. But when I turned hard against the way it manifests in the Libertarian Party is when they had a rally with literal communists and socialist groups. And that made me realize what this against the Imperial war machine.

[Phil Labonte]

There are people, there are people that.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Call Angela McCurdle and others.

[Phil Labonte]

Angela McArdle is not a socialist. But there are, there are rally with communists. There are people proudly. Hold on. There are people in Libertarian Party that would, that would call themselves libertarian socialist. People like Vosh considers himself a libertarian socialist. And I'm not talking about those people, I'm talking libertarian socialists.

[Elad Eliyahu]

No, I'm talking about at this rally that the Libertarian Party in our country teamed up with different literal socialist and communist groups because they had common.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, the anti war part.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I think that is disgusting. And like I couldn't do any more like apologencia for the party. They should completely be abolished and like all the influencers should be abolished. Yeah, we should totally abolish the Libertarian Party because they're a Trojan horse for the far left and they're literal apologists for communists. Socialists. Well, they're willing to work with them. Well, no, but what do you have to.

[Phil Labonte]

Why abolish the Libertarian Party? Because if you're going to abolish parties, why don't you just abolish the far.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Left and their allies? The far left and their allies, which are the libertarians.

[Tim Pool]

I mean if we're going to do that, clearly, and we're just pieing the sky whatever we want, can we get a big boat, put all the leftists on it and then send them off to Venezuela?

[Phil Labonte]

That would be far more effective than, than going after the Libertarian Party just going for leftists.

[Tim Pool]

Or Cuba. Cuba.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Putting him on a boat would be nicer than putting him on a plane.

[Amber Duke]

A helicopter.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I mean. Well, I, I gotta tell you, I went on a helicopter tour of Atlantic City. They're scary.

[Phil Labonte]

Libertarians.

[Tim Pool]

Well, libertarians are scary for different reasons. But no, I did a helicopter tour of Atlantic City. It was it, I. It was one of these crash helicopters. Yeah, it was terrifying.

[Phil Labonte]

I'VE been in a couple. Hell, they're scary.

[Tim Pool]

It was. I mean, I've been in a good helicopter once where it's like there's actual seats and everything. Now this one in Atlantic City was like, literally sitting in a. I felt like I was sitting on like a millimeter of sheet metal and straight up. And I was like, I am ready to land.

[Phil Labonte]

Buddy of mine owns one of the, one of those helicopters they call the little birds that the, the Special Forces guys will be sitting on the side and hauling around. I've been on one of those and that thing is pretty crazy.

[Tim Pool]

I was advocating for sending leftists to a socialist paradise. I think that is a gift and we should be. We should tax all right wingers at 50% until we pay to be able to give leftists their socialist utopia by sending them to Cuba.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't mind sending them to Cuba.

[Tim Pool]

And I believe no conservative should argue against it. Every. Everyone on the right should agree with me that we will tax every penny we have to from you. It is a sacrifice I am willing to make.

[Amber Duke]

Okay, but we have to send the neocons too, because if not, they're going to be calling for socialist utopia. They're going to be. Now Lockheed Martin are going to get all the contracts to, to orchestrate the coup, and then we're going to be involved in nation building.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Don't talk about our president.

[Phil Labonte]

Amber's. Amber's after a lot now. She's like, you got to send the neocons.

[Amber Duke]

I didn't know he was a neocon.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Well, I believe in peace through strength, like the president does, and I don't, you know.

[Tim Pool]

All right, all right, let's jump to this from the independent. Trump says he will take a look at deporting Musk as feud reaches new height. The world's richest person has been criticizing Trump's signature legislation as costing far too much. So a reporter asked Trump, will you deport Elon? He says, we'll take a look at it. Maybe we got to send Doge. Now, Trump has been saying this over and over again that Elon is upset because the EV man, it's going away, despite the fact that Elon's been saying for like five years he hates the EV mandate. I agree with Elon Musk. In 2022, he said if the EV mandate was gone, our market position would significantly improve. And he's like, I will say that again. And he's right. I looked at electric cars, I looked at all the other companies. I will leave them unnamed. They are garbage compared to Tesla's. And so that's why I ended up buying a Tesla. Elon's position is that because of the EV mandates, it allows these failing companies to be competitive. But if you were to get rid of that, Tesla would be the only game in town. So he's, he wants to get rid of it. Trump is acting like he doesn't want to get rid of it and entertaining, possibly deporting him because Elon says the big, the big beautiful bill is the, is the death knell for this country.

[Amber Duke]

So I think that Elon's chief concern, of course, is the deficit. But I will say multiple sources in Congress told me that Elon called them directly and told them not to get rid of the EV subsidies.

[Tim Pool]

Really?

[Amber Duke]

Yeah. So I think maybe he was saying something different publicly than he was doing behind closed doors. But this response from Trump is classic Trump, right? Like if a reporter asks him a question about something and he hasn't really thought of it before, he always says, we'll take a look, we're going to look at it. So it's like the standard variance.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Amber, very respectfully, I don't think Musk's chief concern is the deficit. I think Musk's chief concern is his bottom line. And I think that's always been the case. I think he was also never really maga. I think he was always just trying to appropriate the MAGA movement for his ends. And I thought that was always very, very clear. I think he has a ton of business interests that relate to the government.

[Amber Duke]

Why bother with doge, then?

[Elad Eliyahu]

It was just a way to him to flex influence and cut different programs that he was or wasn't a fan of and to exercise power within the government. But what do you believe his ends are? I think he has a lot of. I know he has a lot of government contracts. And actually, I think Steve Bannon.

[Phil Labonte]

What are his ends?

[Elad Eliyahu]

Interests? He's trying to advance his business within the government.

[Amber Duke]

$100 million on Trump's reelection campaign and that would have been enough for him to keep his government contracts. Instead, he risked it all by doing Doge.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I think the Doge stuff was a goodie. Was a goodie for him. I think he enjoyed spending time in the White House and being in orbiting around Trump and overstaying his welcome. And I think I agree with Steve Bannon when Steve Bannon describes him as a fake MAGA and an oligarch trying to exert.

[Amber Duke]

I agree he's not maga, but that doesn't mean he doesn't care about the deficit.

[Tim Pool]

So I have a question.

[Elad Eliyahu]

That's his chief concern. I think he uses that like to posture it just like Thomas Massie and Rand Paul do.

[Tim Pool]

So my question is, if you had to choose, if you had to choose one to deport either Elan or Elad, who would you choose? Let the record show that Amber has pointed at a lot.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Well, I don't think it matters who Amber thinks. I think it matters who President Trump thinks.

[Amber Duke]

He's being mad.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I think it matters who President Trump thinks.

[Amber Duke]

It's all true.

[Elad Eliyahu]

How about you ask President Trump who he'd rather deport?

[Tim Pool]

Trump's gonna be like, who exactly?

[Elad Eliyahu]

Well, I think he's gonna say Elon, because.

[Tim Pool]

I honestly think the only reason he said we'll take a look is because he doesn't know what they're talking about.

[Phil Labonte]

That's just his response to everything is, we'll take a look at it.

[Amber Duke]

He said all the time.

[Tim Pool]

But it's the right response because. Because let's say there's like, Elon kicks a dog or something and then screams I hate America. Trump doesn't know this. He hasn't seen the news. He doesn't know what's going on. The question he's getting asked is gonna be referenced to something that he does not. He has not looked into.

[Amber Duke]

He never rules anything out. Anytime a reporter says, will you rule out running for a third term? I don't know. We'll have to take a look. It's what he says.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Just, if I could trash Elon a little bit, I actually think he's not only fake MAGA, he's antithetical to MAGA because he supports mass H1B visas continuing.

[Amber Duke]

To flood into a country. I agree with that.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I don't think Mag completely not. And he tries to appropriate the facade of maga. So while Trump's trying to get rid of mass migration from happening in our country, I think Elon Musk and his business interests want to flood our country with more migrants. I think the stuff is inevitable.

[Amber Duke]

What do you think about the gold card or the gold Visa? What is a gold card?

[Elad Eliyahu]

It was a good idea. I don't think he was very serious about it.

[Amber Duke]

They're doing it. People have bought it. Yeah.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Okay. Well, hey, if you're willing. You know, I think we should have more rich people in our country.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Elad Eliyahu]

They contribute a disproportionate amount to their tax revenue. And I think.

[Tim Pool]

I think we should just get rid of all taxes on people who make more than 100,000 a year and only tax people who make under 100,000 at 100%.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I kind of think the reverse.

[Tim Pool]

We call it the Bloomberg model. But in all seriousness, that was Bloomberg's actual proposal, not like literally taxing everybody. But Bloomberg's campaign proposal was tax the poor. Did you know that?

[Amber Duke]

It was very regressive.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, he said that poor people make bad decisions and that's why. So we should tax them and take away their money so that we can decide for them what they should have.

[Phil Labonte]

There was a study that I, or there was a, an article that I was reading that, that, that was a study that said the same thing. That a big part of the reason why people are poor is because they make bad decisions. There's a lot of people like, oh, life's hard and blah, blah, and it's like, fair enough. You know, people can run into hard times and stuff, but if you're, if you're, if you consistently make bad decisions, you're going to end up in bad places with bad communist in your life. Well, they, they are among them.

[Tim Pool]

It should be. You have to pay more taxes if you're a communist. So when you're filing your Iraq's form, like, the first thing it should ask you is like, name, you know, date, address. Are you a communist? Yes or no? If yes instantly increases your tax rate to 50%.

[Phil Labonte]

Alligator Alcatraz and then deport all communists. Alligator, Alcatraz and then off to Cuba. Bounce them from Florida.

[Tim Pool]

I don't.

[Phil Labonte]

Right over to the.

[Tim Pool]

I would be. I would actually support funding a commune as long as I get to be the, the party, the chairman.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, let's get all the leftists.

[Elad Eliyahu]

You're going to need to offer them a lot of goodies so they can't leave elect.

[Tim Pool]

Are you joking?

[Phil Labonte]

No.

[Tim Pool]

There will be 100. 100 leftists will come to my commune and I'll get 3,000 votes every time. And there'll be big walls to keep them in for their safety. Yes, that's communism.

[Phil Labonte]

That was. That was East Germany too, you know.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Idea is so good. You got to force people at gunpoint.

[Phil Labonte]

Mm.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. Anyway, I think Elon is correct about the deficit, but I don't know why he's so adamant about it right now as if he just discovered we have a massive deficit. To be fair, we were talking about this. I can't remember if we're talking about this on culture war or not, but when the jet debt to GDP ratio hits like 120, something is, is like. Historically, we see nations Collapse. And we're there, so that could be the concern.

[Phil Labonte]

That's true. But I also saw something. I'm looking right now, but I saw something. Today's debt to GDP ratio is something like 200 or something like that. And they're. They don't seem to be on the way out. Japan. Yeah, they're. They're.

[Tim Pool]

I disagree. Isn't their birth rate like 0.4?

[Phil Labonte]

Japan's debt to GDP ratio is 236.70% of the country's gross domestic product.

[Tim Pool]

All right, So I looked it up. Between 90 and 120%, you have stagnation and inflation between 130 and 150 of political instability, capital flight, and austerity. And then if it exceeds 200, it's typically where you see total collapse, like Zimbabwe and Venezuela. Interesting.

[Phil Labonte]

It's. It's bad to be in this much debt, especially when you're the. The reserve currency of the world. Like, I mean, it does give us more leeway to borrow, but, you know, the. The rest of the world has to feel like a safe. A safe place to invest.

[Tim Pool]

Japan's debt to GDP ratio is 260% within.

[Phil Labonte]

Crazy.

[Tim Pool]

Wow. Yeah, but that's.

[Elad Eliyahu]

It says right there.

[Tim Pool]

It's within Japan. That's the difference. Yeah.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Not like that.

[Tim Pool]

Outside of the country.

[Elad Eliyahu]

The country.

[Tim Pool]

Right, right, right, right. Like that.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Why, it's.

[Phil Labonte]

It's.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Why it's.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

That's crazy. Well, the end is nigh. It was nice knowing you guys.

[Phil Labonte]

Greg, don't forget you've got.

[Amber Duke]

I think we did talk about civil war last time I was here.

[Phil Labonte]

That tends to come up.

[Amber Duke]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Especially in.

[Amber Duke]

We don't have to do it today.

[Phil Labonte]

In the context of the way that politics is in the US today. You know, it's not a surprise.

[Tim Pool]

Budget showdown. 2029 US debt clock. GD debt to GDP will be 140%. Wow.

[Phil Labonte]

It's nuts.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. I feel like the immediate threat we face is the mass migration problem.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And Democrats pumping the census so they can steal the election.

[Amber Duke]

Well, this is an important point because obviously all of these CBO projections about the bill don't take into account how much public assistance is being spent on illegal immigrants.

[Tim Pool]

Right. Yeah, that's. That's. That's. That. That's. I was talking to someone today about the deficit because they were concerned about the bill. And I said the argument from the. From the right that opposed the bill is that it's adding to the deficit. But the argument from the pro Trump faction is that when you deport all these illegal immigrants, it's going to dramatically reduce spending. There's a lot of fraud, and then it should balance itself.

[Amber Duke]

You also have a higher housing supply. Wages will go up, which means more tax revenue collected by the government, possibly more inflation, too.

[Tim Pool]

But, I mean, the demand for jobs will be skyrocketing. So you're going to be able to negotiate for higher salaries and wages.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I think they also argue that it's reducing the amount that the deficit would increase was one of the taglines for the bill.

[Amber Duke]

Yeah, the Tea Party said that, too.

[Elad Eliyahu]

They were like, yeah, it's increasing the deficit, but by less than we were expecting to. And they're calling that.

[Amber Duke]

That's what Joe Biden said when inflation, when the inflationary rate went down to 5% instead of 9. Yeah, it's like prices are rising slower.

[Tim Pool]

I do think that whatever we get from Trump is still better than what would have gotten for Democrats. So for sure, what is there to complain about in the end?

[Phil Labonte]

I guess, I mean, we're not getting.

[Tim Pool]

A rainbow and Skittles and candy canes. What's going on?

[Amber Duke]

It's the art of the possible.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, the Democrat, if, if it was Kamala Harris, we'd still have all of the problems at the border. We'd still have all of the people that are. That are illegal immigrants here in the country.

[Amber Duke]

I mean, we'd still be paying for trans kids.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, there would. There would be. Oh, there'd be more of it. Yeah, there'd be more children.

[Amber Duke]

National mandate.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Well, speaking of that, let's jump to the story from the Daily Mail Transformer. Leah Thomas's wins will be wiped and runners up move to first place. After Penn bowed to Trump crackdown. The DOE announced Tuesday that Penn is adopting strict definitions for male and female competitors under White House guidelines. And the school will ban trans athletes from women's competitions and erase Thomas from the school's record books. And only in a strange moment in time, but in the future, when children are reading and learning about history, they're going to say there was this brief moment in the early 2000s where they had men playing on women's sports teams.

[Elad Eliyahu]

For some reason, he saved this for Maca Month.

[Tim Pool]

What? You guys had a person?

[Amber Duke]

Yeah. Our White House correspondent, Reagan Reese was there. She got a couple of questions in with the education secretary, Linda McMahon, who was like, yeah, look, this is a roadmap for basically every negotiation we're going to do with all of the colleges who let this happen. Because the only reason Upenn is stripping the titles and apologizing to all the swimmers impacted is because the Trump administration paused $175 million in funding. So they basically did to UPENN the same thing that they did to Harvard, and UPENN really wants that money, so they felt that they had no choice.

[Tim Pool]

Amazing.

[Amber Duke]

Okay, so now, one other funny thing. Sorry to interrupt, but Linda McMahon also told our reporter that she talks to Trump privately about this issue, obviously, and he thinks it's deeply disturbing, which he should.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I think we need to commend the Trump administration for willing to exercise and use power and twist the arms of these different schools and administrations to doing what is genuinely right. And that's a very important thing, because in the past, or different administrations sometimes feel like threatening to cut funding or whatnot is, like, beyond the red line of what's acceptable for you to do, to try to achieve, you know, whatever ends or right whatever wrongs are happening in these schools. So I think it's a good thing that the President Trump administration is willing to use this power, and it's clearly bearing fruit and working very well. I think we should see other colleges start to capitulate on other rules they're breaking, too.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I mean, the administration should use everything, every bit of power at its disposal, to influence whether or not men are allowed in women's sports, whether men are allowed in women's changing rooms in any school, in any college at all. If you're of the opinion that men can become women and women can become men, you shouldn't be in a position to make decisions about children or young people at all.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Yeah, the LGBT community has been catching a lot of Ls recently. I know there's also been a couple of Supreme Court decisions that were recently released last week. One of them being that they ended up backing up the Tennessee state laws banning transgender surgeries for minors that I know many Democrats were in dismay over. There were also a few different things. So closing out Pride Month on a high note, so it seems.

[Amber Duke]

Yeah. They allowed the Montgomery County, Maryland, parents to opt their kids out of the LGBTQ storybook hour in the elementary school.

[Phil Labonte]

The idea that you wouldn't be allowed to opt out is insane.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Interesting tidbit of the Montgomery School District specifically. The groups that were most vocal about this were religious Muslim people. These weren't, like, religious Christians or whatnot. I covered a couple of protests that they had there years ago. It was predominantly 75, 80% plus Muslim people who were protesting over having the options to opt out from LGBTQ material. In their schools.

[Phil Labonte]

You know, I mean, look, I'm not.

[Elad Eliyahu]

In their schools from. They would be able to leave the classrooms while the books were being taught in the classrooms.

[Phil Labonte]

I'm not a Muslim and I'm not particularly partial to this.

[Elad Eliyahu]

You're not Muslim?

[Phil Labonte]

I am not. And I'm not particularly partial to the Islamic faith, but they're right.

[Elad Eliyahu]

We're impartial.

[Phil Labonte]

You shouldn't have, you shouldn't have any issue. If you, for a parent shouldn't have any issue saying, I don't want my kids learning that. Especially when it comes to things that have to do with sexuality.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Phil Labonte]

Like if a parent decides, I don't want my kids learning about sexuality beyond anatomy, then I don't want my kid. That shouldn't be a no brainer.

[Tim Pool]

I got, I got a question though. How much do you guys think that the reason why they were allowing males was because the Democrats were threatening to pull funding?

[Phil Labonte]

I don't know.

[Amber Duke]

Well, they certainly were because Biden tried to rewrite Title 9 to include gender identity as a protected category. And so these universities, to some extent, I think a lot of it is they're ideologically captured, but certainly they were worried that if that rule got codified that they would lose funding under Title 9 if they didn't do it. That was definitely part of it. But Biden ultimately wasn't allowed to do it, thank God. Also in the big beautiful bill is increasing the endowment tax on universities.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Oh, very nice.

[Phil Labonte]

Good.

[Amber Duke]

Up to 1.4%, I believe.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I think that, I think that needs. Yeah, it needs to scale because most colleges and universities actually don't have a very impressive endowment and all the Ivy Leagues generally do. And the top five have endowments bigger than, you know, 80% of the bottom ones combined. Something like that. Some crazy 1 percenter issue over there in the endowments as well.

[Phil Labonte]

Leah Thomas was. It was Riley Gaines was the one that was swimming against her, right? Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Well, not anymore they didn't.

[Elad Eliyahu]

They need to run that back.

[Tim Pool]

No, that guy disqualified.

[Amber Duke]

Does he have to give Riley the trophy now? Because remember they told her that she didn't get to keep the trophy because they wanted to give it to him. Wow, he. Is he gonna have to like DHL this to Riley Gaines's house?

[Tim Pool]

That's so wild.

[Phil Labonte]

Send it on over. Yeah, has to deliver it himself.

[Amber Duke]

That'd be great. With a handwritten apology.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, well, if Trump's agenda is not fulfilled and the Democrats cheat the census, this will be reversed the moment they win. If they win in 20, 28, they're going to open the borders, flood the country. Census will come in. Democrats will get 87 new congressional seats and Electoral College votes, and no Republican will win an election ever again.

[Phil Labonte]

I can't imagine what it's going to be, what it would be like for the Democrats to actually go back to the Biden policy when it comes to the border. Like, how, how are Americans going to react? Obviously, you know, people will vote and they'll vote for whatever their, you know, their interests are. And they might not be thinking about the border. You know, maybe in three years when, when they're actually in the, in the booth, they. It doesn't occur to them, or they're like, oh, you know, they won't do that, or whatever. But I do really, I'm very curious as to what the American people will do if it's like, oh, now there's another massive invasion of illegal immigrants.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I think the Republicans have a deep bench right now, especially compared to the Democrats. So whether it JD Vance, Marco Rubio, Ron DeSantis against likely AOC.

[Phil Labonte]

All of this is dependent on the economy.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Sure.

[Amber Duke]

Well, you also have Senate and House to consider, which could provide a stopgap if there were a Democratic president. And the congressional map is looking better and better for Republicans because courts have struck down a lot of the Democratic gerrymandering. Plus, the DNC is currently in massive debt.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, I want you to be right. I want, I want this to be. I want this to be true. And I want to see, you know, the Republic Republicans win over the Democrats. But, but look, man, like I said, and I've been saying this for a while, and I, I will die on this hill. The economy is going to be the deciding factor. If the economy is good, the Republicans can win. If the economy is bad, the Republicans can not win. And what we get will be worse. Well, anything we've ever had.

[Tim Pool]

Hold on. If the economy is good, it's not a guarantee the Republicans will win.

[Phil Labonte]

No, no, I'm saying, I'm saying they can win.

[Tim Pool]

Well, can, depending on what the issue becomes.

[Phil Labonte]

Sure.

[Tim Pool]

So when the economy is bad, people will just choose whoever is not in power under the presumption it will make the economy better. But if the party in power makes the economy good, people are like, the way it should be. I'm mad about this social issue now. And so we don't know what that social issue might be.

[Amber Duke]

I mean, also, like, immigration was the biggest issue in a lot of states in 2024, even though the economy was Terrible.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Well, I think they were, they were tied together. If it was that viral video of that black guy going in Boston, I think it was to a community center. And they were like, nah, it's housing for illegal immigrants now. And he was yelling like, are you kidding me? Like, our community center was just taken away. He's like, I come here and I can't have it. So that was in people's faces In Chicago, they tried to build a camp on the south side and it was in a black neighbor, and the people there lost their mind, so they canceled the project. People were like, you are not putting this in our neighborhoods. So that really nuked them. But we'll see. We got a year. We got just about a year.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. For the, for the midterms.

[Tim Pool]

The campaign cycle is going to start in six months and it's going to be full swing one year from now, and it is going to be nuts.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. Yeah. You'll see. You'll see. A lot of, A lot of Republicans are going to be regretting this vote. I think, to be honest with you, I do think the. There's going to be a lot of people.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know about that. Why? What do you think? What do you think?

[Phil Labonte]

Because I think that the stuff from the two A community is going to. They're going to be making a lot of stink.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. But it's a year from now. It's a political eternity.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I think they're stuck between Iraq and a hard place because if they voted against the bill, then President Trump would definitely send a primary their way. Somebody to primary it.

[Phil Labonte]

I think there's going to be. I think there might end up being a lot of people getting primaried, to be honest with you.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Elad Eliyahu]

But not explicitly with Trump's endorsement and support. If you just.

[Tim Pool]

Who's retiring.

[Elad Eliyahu]

It was. Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Wow.

[Amber Duke]

Apparently Michael Wadley is going to run, huh?

[Tim Pool]

I. I don't think they'll be able to find anybody who's going to beat Massey.

[Amber Duke]

I don't think so either.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Yeah. I think he's trying to make an example out of Massey, though.

[Amber Duke]

You know, any other Republicans backfire. If he doesn't defeat Massey after pouring all of this money in and having La Savita and Fabrizio go in to combat him, then you're going to open up the floodgates for other Congress members to think that they can openly buck Trump, too.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Does a congressman really want to go through all the, you know, Massey, he'll.

[Amber Duke]

Fight to the no.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Thomas Massey, yes.

[Tim Pool]

Situation, but Massey, average Republican Congress powered mech suit.

[Amber Duke]

The other thing to understand with Trump and endorsements though, is that he really cares about his win record. So if he senses that his primary challenge is not going well, he will pull an endorsement and he'll endorse the person who's running ahead of, I mean, okay, recent example, Arizona Karen Taylor Robson is running for governor. He gets, he gives her the endorsement. She's not performing that great compared to Andy Biggs. So a month later, he co endorses Andy Biggs just to hedge his bets. Right. And he was going to, he was going to endorse Thomas Massie's primary challenger. In the last election, the person was polling terribly. So a few weeks before election day, he called Thomas Massie and was like, hey, Thomas, do you think I can endorse you? It's gonna be great. And he was like, yeah, sure, let's do it.

[Elad Eliyahu]

The President loves a winner. What can you say?

[Phil Labonte]

He does, he does.

[Amber Duke]

He told him on the floor, I love a winner. He was like, I'm 54. Zero, Thomas. I'm 54 zero. I mean, he likes the idea of winning those endorsements.

[Phil Labonte]

Thomas Massie's extremely popular in his district. He is, he's got great numbers. And I don't think that Trump is gonna be able to get him out of there.

[Amber Duke]

You'd have to find the perfect candidate. And so far their recruitment efforts are not going well.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, the, there was. I forget what the criticism of the guy that's come that he's talking about is. Never mind, because I don't remember off the top of my head, but the guy that, that, like you said, the guy that, that Trump is looking at or that is looking to stage a.

[Amber Duke]

State senator, I think.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, he's not, he's not going to be that impressive to the, the people in Kentucky, if I, if I understand correctly. So, but I mean there's a lot of, a lot of other people that I think that might be in, in a dangerous situation because of the votes on this stuff. So we'll see.

[Tim Pool]

Let's jump to this story from the Daily Mail. Check us out. Love Island. How many of you are big fans of Love Island? None that I did not. I didn't think you would be. Love island fans are horrified by Vanna's botched face. So here's the.

[Amber Duke]

Oh, no.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, I gotta refresh it. So here's her face. Rough guess the age.

[Amber Duke]

I can't answer because I already know.

[Elad Eliyahu]

26, 23.

[Tim Pool]

No, 21.

[Amber Duke]

There's a. So that, that's picture there. That screenshot is from a hilarious scene where she's talking to one of the dudes on Love island and they're talking about how old they are and he shares his age, whatever. And she tries to get him to guess her age. And of course he's like, that's a frickin trap. I'm not doing that. And she eventually goes, I'm 21. And his face looks shocked. But then he recovers and he goes, oh, I thought you were younger.

[Tim Pool]

She is disgusting. It is absolutely disgusting. I'm sorry, man. Look, I know people like. That's so mean. Okay, well, the young women are getting all this crazy plastic surgery and it is nasty.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I think it's really unfortunate and sad because she likely has issues with, you know, her body and how she views herself. I think this body dysmorphia is what I'm diagnosing her with. I don't know, not a doctor, but I think it's actually similar to the issues that, that so called transgender people feel with their body dysmorphia and viewing themselves differently in the head and how they outwardly appear. So they just get an obnoxious amount of plastic surgery and looking like a, a crazy. She almost looks like a transgender when she gets that crazy amount of like bimbo type looking surgery. Some people think that's really hot. I will. I know. I have friends who think this is really, really hot.

[Phil Labonte]

There are sometimes there are times like some of these pictures. She looks all right in that, but that.

[Tim Pool]

Not this one.

[Elad Eliyahu]

She looks.

[Tim Pool]

Her nose is overcooked, her lips are about to burst, and her chest is fake.

[Amber Duke]

That's the heavily filtered version.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but the, that's a look that people go.

[Amber Duke]

I think a lot of it is.

[Tim Pool]

Sure, but I, I bet, I bet it's not majority.

[Amber Duke]

I think it's the Instagram face that everyone is trying to get from the plastic surgery because these girls make so much money with like brand deals and they get so many likes that they think that that is. How about it's bots people find attractive.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I think there is a line you have to ride too, because there are a lot of people who do look good and we don't.

[Tim Pool]

You say your boys aren't. You got, you got, you got. Your boys are into that, dude.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Compared to some of the women out there, frankly. Hey man, it's.

[Tim Pool]

To be fair, guys could be into literally anything.

[Phil Labonte]

Look, if. To be honest with you, if the, if the option is that or someone that's, you know, 150 pounds overweight. I would, I might be like, all right, well you know, she looks all right.

[Tim Pool]

It's just so crazy that young women, like teenage adult women are getting plastic surgery and looking like weird 80 year old women.

[Amber Duke]

I just miss unique faces. Like you go back to the models of the 90s, like they were all hot, but they all look different. Right. Like they all had unique features and now everybody looks the same. It's like this blow up doll like.

[Phil Labonte]

Over who's kind of trying to look.

[Tim Pool]

Like some kind of look.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Is that an offensive word? Is bimbo a derogatory?

[Amber Duke]

Not to me. I mean probably it's just that look.

[Elad Eliyahu]

That bimbo type look inflated a little bit in the lips, face, in the breasts in a, in a weird way. And I think trans people go for a similar look. It's, it's over Plastic surgerized.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Did you guys see the Candace Owens feminism debate thing?

[Amber Duke]

Jubilee thing?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, Jubilee. I, I, I just think that's, I understand why people watch it, but it's just, I find it unwatchable because I.

[Amber Duke]

Make it five minutes in every video internally.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. There's no coherent conversation because they're like, yeah, I've been vetted out by the majority. And it's like, well, they didn't even ask a question. Like, but the one, one woman that Candace was debating looks like, like she was crafted out of play. D'oh. She looks like the moon guy from NBC or whatever that was back in the day. She, her cheeks are implanted, her lips are like. And I'm like, why are women doing this? I think social media is frying the brains of young people.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, it's the Instagram face thing. Everyone's trying to get their, their, their face to look like.

[Amber Duke]

These cameras also distort your features and.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, that is the focal point.

[Amber Duke]

Filming videos like this and seeing yourself close up and you're like hyper fixated on all the flaws.

[Phil Labonte]

But it's the, the, the filters.

[Amber Duke]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Trying to get like the constant filter face. They can look like the filters while they're, you know, walking around in, in the real world and that's just not botched face.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I think it's so placed.

[Amber Duke]

I feel so sad for her.

[Phil Labonte]

What? Yeah, well, the, the lens, the lens, whatever.

[Elad Eliyahu]

If it's the focal lengths of different lenses toward the faces totally like could widen and shorten and, but no, I think young women, this is a huge issue for young women that we should be attuned to and try to address because we can't have young women being this, this Amount of self absorbed and self obsessed with their looks and because that'll have downstream consequences.

[Tim Pool]

What, you're into Elad?

[Elad Eliyahu]

No, no, that girl's not Jewish.

[Tim Pool]

The lip injections make me want to. Want to just throw up for real. Like, it's just when it goes past.

[Elad Eliyahu]

The outward part of your lip and it feels like it's bleeding.

[Tim Pool]

They just look like they got stung by a bee.

[Amber Duke]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I'm like, ma' am, do you need an EpiPen?

[Amber Duke]

You look like you could pop them.

[Tim Pool]

You can. Some of them.

[Phil Labonte]

She's anaphylactic. Hot.

[Tim Pool]

It's so messed up.

[Elad Eliyahu]

And she's likely going to get a lot more work done. You said she's only 21. I foresee her getting a ton more work done as she age. Age is even.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, yeah.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Only getting worse from here because she's gonna.

[Amber Duke]

Well, when she's 40, get addicted to it.

[Phil Labonte]

She's gonna have a leather face. And leather face.

[Amber Duke]

It's like, did you guys get a little bit. The veil's off.

[Tim Pool]

Did you guys hear about Mar a Lago face?

[Amber Duke]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

What is that?

[Amber Duke]

That's so all of the socialites you see at the big fancy parties at Mar A Lago, a lot of them have the face like this. It's sort of like the 40 year old, like overfilled over botox kind of look with the big lips. I'm pretty similar, but for older women. Apparently some women are going to plastic surgeons and asking for Mar A Lago face.

[Tim Pool]

We got this from the week. Mar A Lago face. Trump supporters driven by desire to please the president. What? I don't think that's it.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Is it?

[Amber Duke]

Which is interesting because the woman he's married to doesn't have Mar A Lago face. Like, obviously Melania's had some work done, but she doesn't look like that.

[Elad Eliyahu]

So you have something to say. Everything being extremely common in our industry too. A ton of women in our industry, people who spend time on the all the news channels, have a ton of work done.

[Tim Pool]

It's disgusting. Like, you can tell literally anytime someone's have had work done. There's like very rare circumstances where you're like, oh, wow, I didn't realize you had plastic surgery done in almost every single circumstance. You'll see somebody's got plastic surgery. They look like, like freakish monsters.

[Elad Eliyahu]

No, but you don't know. I think plastic surgery is another scourge on society. But I think there is a way to do it right such that you actually can't tell when you can tell is when somebody obviously went too far. But I think it's become apparent. I don't know the difference between Botox and filler.

[Amber Duke]

Botox freezes the muscles, whereas filler replaces fat loss in the face.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I'm not trying to be sexist, but it looks like almost any woman who's a newscaster on TV nowadays has that.

[Amber Duke]

Some sort of almost all of them face. Megyn Kelly admits to getting Botox. I mean, I know a fair amount of women who get regular Botox who you probably wouldn't know unless they told you. But I think the danger is that this stuff is very addicting because when you see yourself every day in the mirror, you're not noticing these minor changes because you see yourself every day. It's like, for people who lose a lot of weight, right? Like, you probably don't notice until after the first, like, 40, 50 pounds, because you see them every day. So they don't look that different on a day. It's like the paper towel effect, they call it. But I think it's the same thing with the plastic surgery. So when women see themselves every day and they're really noticing the facial features and they're like, well, I don't really see that much of a difference. With this latest Botox I just got. I think maybe I need fillers in the cheeks to make the cheekbones look higher and it quickly spirals out of control.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Yeah, it's very normalized among women.

[Amber Duke]

When you, like, people try to get me to go Botox before my wedding.

[Phil Labonte]

Why?

[Amber Duke]

Apparently I have, like, minuscule forehead lines, but who cares? I know that's the thing.

[Tim Pool]

Other women care.

[Amber Duke]

Yeah. I just don't care what it is. It's another. It's another woman thing to try to, like, compete with each other, you know?

[Tim Pool]

You know? You know, I think it is. I think smart women tricked stupid women into doing this so they would look disgusting and men wouldn't want them.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I don't want to point out politicians specifically, but Kristi Noem, the transformation she's gone through, also did seem a little Joe Biden. It's a lot Joe Biden.

[Phil Labonte]

A bunch of work.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I guess we're particular on women. I feel like I have a double standard for women, but I'm sure this is. Men also do access a ton of different plastic surgery.

[Tim Pool]

Male what? Male politicians got plastic surgery.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I think all of them, too, generally.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah, of course. He's disgusting, though. He's a monster, both internally and John.

[Phil Labonte]

Carried it, I believe, and so is he.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, these Are awful people. Has Trump gotten plastic surgery?

[Elad Eliyahu]

Allegedly.

[Tim Pool]

I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, he's a TV guy. You know what I mean?

[Elad Eliyahu]

I think all of these politicians end up getting plastic surgeries. Vladimir Putin also, I think, definitely has plastic surgery. For his age. He looks very strange.

[Tim Pool]

He does.

[Phil Labonte]

So, yeah, he looks strange for his age.

[Tim Pool]

He does.

[Elad Eliyahu]

His skin looks too perfect. If you want to pull up a picture of him and all of these.

[Tim Pool]

What are you. What are you suggesting?

[Elad Eliyahu]

But he gets his work done. I wouldn't be surprised.

[Tim Pool]

Like, I don't have Putin's smooth skin.

[Elad Eliyahu]

No, but all these politicians have to. Have to try to give off an air of being youthful, healthy, young, and that helps appeal to more people. You don't want to.

[Tim Pool]

People are saying, Matt Gates. Old, decrepit Matt Gates. I don't know about Matt Gates.

[Amber Duke]

Yeah, he definitely had Botox.

[Tim Pool]

Really? Yeah, maybe.

[Amber Duke]

Yeah, maybe both eyebrows don't really.

[Tim Pool]

You think that street guy Sri's wearing a toupee?

[Elad Eliyahu]

Is he? Oh, okay, probably. Actually, no, it looks like. It looks real. I saw him in person.

[Tim Pool]

It's way too thick.

[Phil Labonte]

Just go to the gym, get in shape.

[Tim Pool]

Put down the fork.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Can't grow your hair. Back with go by going to the gym.

[Amber Duke]

The thing that makes.

[Tim Pool]

No, you just make it fall out.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Hey.

[Amber Duke]

I think the thing that's really sad about the excessive plastic surgery for women, though, especially, like, the facelifts and the nose jobs and things, is that if you have daughters, one day your daughters are going to grow up wondering why they don't look like mommy and why Mommy thought that, like, I wasn't pretty enough without extra stuff.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I think what guys should do is just whenever they meet a woman who does this, they should go, oh, turn around. Oh, I can't look at that. No, I think a lot of guys do like it. Younger guys who are on social media are seeing that, and women are trying to get caught up so they can look like that.

[Amber Duke]

Well, it is kind of a porn look.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, bimbo.

[Amber Duke]

I have a lot of porn addiction in this country.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Called hooker face. From now on, lip injection is called hooker mouth. And then it's like, oh, I see you got the hooker mouth surgery. Excuse me. Want to be like, you got the prostitute thing done? For the. For the.

[Amber Duke]

For the ladies call the next day. Can I get this dissolved?

[Tim Pool]

To be fair, I was at the casino the other day with Du Bois. We were at the restaurant Final Cut in Charlestown, and it was pretty obvious. Some guy had a couple escorts. You know, at least that's what everybody was assuming. I don't want to impugn the honor of this strange man. I don't know, but he was like a short, chubby, bald guy with two young women who were fawning all over him. And it's like. Like, you know what that looks like? Maybe he's just rich or whatever, but these women didn't have crazy plastic surgery and Botox or anything like that. So I think referring to these lips as hooker mouth is actually insulting the honor of hookers who don't get that stuff done. Just the weird, nasty e thoughts or whatever.

[Phil Labonte]

So gross.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Forgive me for impugning your honor.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I think we could negatively polarize this by comparing it to transgender surgeries.

[Tim Pool]

What's the difference?

[Elad Eliyahu]

Exactly.

[Tim Pool]

Like, I think. I actually wonder if this is because.

[Elad Eliyahu]

That'S what transgender surgeries are, but implants, facial reconstruction, types of Botox and whatnot.

[Phil Labonte]

Different. They're different.

[Tim Pool]

The facial.

[Elad Eliyahu]

As far as implants go, it's the same exact thing, more or less. If you're a girl with small.

[Phil Labonte]

Fine. But that's plastic surgery, and that's not specifically transgender surgery. When you say transgender surgery, you're talking about genital stuff.

[Elad Eliyahu]

No, these plastic surgeries are trying to feminize women more feminization surgery.

[Amber Duke]

They shave the chin down.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, but those. Those are all things that.

[Elad Eliyahu]

That.

[Phil Labonte]

That normal women will go and do at different points or.

[Tim Pool]

Or different shaving.

[Phil Labonte]

Some of them will. Yeah, absolutely. Exactly. The only. About the only thing they're not going to do is the Adam's apple. Women do all kinds of crazy stuff.

[Tim Pool]

You ever see what a nose job looks like if your bone off? I don't think women get bone shaving.

[Amber Duke]

Women do get chin implants, but I don't know of any. I mean, that's not to say they haven't. But I haven't heard of the shaving being a popular thing.

[Tim Pool]

Transgender men who want to be. Who want to look like women get their. Their jawbones shaved down.

[Amber Duke]

Dylan Mulvaney had them.

[Phil Labonte]

The transgender surgeries are literally mutilating the body. They don't even. They don't produce what they're trying to produce. If you want to go ahead. If you're a woman and you want to get, like, some kind of shape, if you think your jaws to whatever or your nose is to whatever and you want to go get plastic surgery, fine. But transgender surgery is a totally different animal because they're literally turning your genitals into hamburger.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I think all. All the viewers, all people are Made in the beautiful image of God. And you don't need to change that to make yourself feel perfect. You're already perfect the way you are.

[Tim Pool]

It is common in East Asia for. It's called V line surgery, where they. Women get their faces shaved, their bones shaved down.

[Phil Labonte]

South Korea, those kind of things are cosmetic surgery. Transgender surgery is totally.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, wait, hold on, hold on. It is not common in United States, only in trans feminine facial. Facial feminization surgery. So part of the. Yeah. So women don't get in the U.S. i think the reason they get in Asia is because Koreans have rounder faces.

[Amber Duke]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And they want to westernize, so they shave their faces down to make it. Which is pretty weird.

[Amber Duke]

I've heard that Korea has an even larger plastic surgery industry than all good because they have really high beauty standards.

[Tim Pool]

I think it's because they want to look like Americans.

[Elad Eliyahu]

They want to look like Michael Jackson.

[Amber Duke]

Well, yeah, because a lot of them get the eyelids.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Late stage Michael Jackson.

[Amber Duke]

The upper, lower bluff, which.

[Tim Pool]

It's westernization.

[Amber Duke]

When you have hooded eyes. Some people are saying that Drake got plastic surgery because he showed up so. With some fake abs.

[Tim Pool]

What?

[Amber Duke]

He has no traps, no, like arm definition, but now he just has like perfect eight pack blocky abs.

[Phil Labonte]

Yep. It looks.

[Elad Eliyahu]

It's like fat abs. He has like a chubby six pack.

[Phil Labonte]

Looks weird.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Very weird. Especially for his age too. If you're 40 plus, it's hard to get a six pack, man.

[Tim Pool]

You mean this one?

[Amber Duke]

Yeah, that oblique.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Like he looks chubby with a six pack.

[Amber Duke]

And he doesn't have the defined.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, that looks.

[Phil Labonte]

No deltoids. He doesn't have any traps. He has no serious definition. His biceps, his look. His arms don't have any vascularity. If you're lean enough to see your abs, you can see the vascularity in their arms. He has none. It's all fake.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Tattoo is so dumb.

[Phil Labonte]

And look at the way that his pecs. The one that's holding up the. The phone. You can see that it's sagging there.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Amber Duke]

This looks really like aggressive line down the middle.

[Elad Eliyahu]

This is a grown man.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Wow.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Adult.

[Tim Pool]

It almost looks like he's wearing one of those fake body suits.

[Phil Labonte]

It does. It's exactly what it looks like.

[Tim Pool]

We have one of those. We should get Elijah to wear it.

[Elad Eliyahu]

On the show because I'm so skinny.

[Tim Pool]

We got it so that Ian could wear it on the show and he.

[Amber Duke]

Just looks all buff bottles. I'm trying to figure out that's a doers. Yeah, I see. Crown.

[Tim Pool]

Sure.

[Phil Labonte]

There's Hennessy.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, it actually looks pretty low end.

[Amber Duke]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. It's not great.

[Tim Pool]

I'm like, where's the Louis, bro?

[Amber Duke]

Where's the nice bourbon?

[Tim Pool]

This Dude's got like $500 million something that's, that's creepy, man. Everybody getting plastic surgery. Sooner or later people are going to put their, their brains in a robot bodies. Like they're in a neural link. Their brain into robots.

[Phil Labonte]

Absolutely.

[Elad Eliyahu]

We haven't even touched on the dieting pills. The new feds of the dieting pills.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, man. Ozempic, the fat shots.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Thought I forgot. What their GLP1 inhibitor.

[Tim Pool]

Isn't it. Isn't it like real? Like, I was reading something that said it's substantially worse than people realize. And now first they were like, look, you're losing weight. Then they're like, oh, some people went blind, but now they're saying it's causing like paralysis or something.

[Elad Eliyahu]

It feels like something.

[Amber Duke]

That would be the issues too.

[Tim Pool]

I think I could be totally wrong. But like it was causing. People are deteriorating. They're getting off it, but I'm thin. And then they're going, like, what's happening to me?

[Amber Duke]

Well, if you're not eating enough calories, protein, fiber supplements, you're just losing muscle mass.

[Elad Eliyahu]

So have you seen Alex Jones? I think he's allegedly on the GLP1, bro.

[Tim Pool]

Have you seen Jones's workout videos? Here's a video where he did like 15 pull ups and he's like swinging. You saw that one. Jones is getting jacked.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I have to.

[Phil Labonte]

You have to eat at least 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight to keep on muscle. If you, if you want to put on muscle, you have to eat like one and a half to 2 grams per pound of body weight. Like, I have to eat like almost 200 grams of protein a day to try to try and actually put on muscle.

[Tim Pool]

It's like, what, one whole chicken?

[Phil Labonte]

One whole chicken? Yeah, that's like. No, that's like. I mean, like.

[Amber Duke]

So that's a whole chicken, one rotisserie.

[Phil Labonte]

So this right? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. This right here is 12 grams of protein.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

So a chicken.

[Amber Duke]

No, a whole rotisserie chicken is 150 to 160.

[Tim Pool]

Yep.

[Phil Labonte]

For the whole thing.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

If a whole standard sized chicken could be about 300 grams. So if you, you got to get more than a rotisserie chicken, you gotta, you gotta get two of them.

[Phil Labonte]

You gotta eat a lot. I have, I mean, I have like.

[Tim Pool]

I don't eat anywhere near that much. That's crazy.

[Phil Labonte]

I have like four eggs in the morning mixed with. With a half a cup of cottage cheese. And I have sausage and that's like 45 or 50 grams of protein in and of itself. And that's just the start. It's a pain in the butt eating, like looking at your macros and stuff.

[Tim Pool]

It's actually not as difficult as it sounds, really. In the morning, I have about 30 grams of protein. 35 to 40 actually, because I do a scoop of jocko protein powder and then I do two eggs. So that's probably like 35 maybe.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, even this, these things are like 25 grams of protein.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. And then we've got these protein smoothies are awesome. I think they're like what, 24 in those things downstairs. Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

So. But it's not easy to eat.

[Tim Pool]

And then I eat. And then I eat 12 chicken wings.

[Phil Labonte]

God, I love chicken wings.

[Tim Pool]

Chicken wings. So good.

[Elad Eliyahu]

The people on Ozempic end up. I don't know if it's because of the weight loss or if it does something to their face, but it looks like it does something to their face where it trans.

[Amber Duke]

That's what it is when you're not. Not supplementing enough.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. You have to eat.

[Amber Duke]

And I think, I think it's sort of like the COVID vaccines where you have to calculate your risk factors. Right. Like for some people, it probably does make sense if you are in the obese category or you have diabetes or sleep apnea or other things that you're struggling with. But it definitely shouldn't be a catch all for whoever wants to lose like £20.

[Phil Labonte]

No.

[Tim Pool]

All right, we're gonna go to your chats. So smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know. We're at that uncensored calling show coming up at 10pm [e-mail] timcast irl. It's gonna be fun. We're gonna screw around with some AI stuff again. So check that out. But for now, we'll read what you guys have to say. Oh, yeah. I don't know. Let me just say when Venice says they're uncensored, we tried. I don't say anything about it, guys. We didn't do anything graphic. We just made some politically charged images that it. It made and we were like, okay, it is uncensored. Anyway. S.H. wilder says the Texas law requiring warning labels on food with artificial colors and ingredients goes into effect in 2027. Companies are starting to change ingredients ahead of of time to avoid the labels. Let's go. Nice. That's what I'm talking about. CB says how's it fair? One rep in Delaware represents 990000 people, while a rep in Montana represents 542000 people. Increase representation in the House would solve this inequality. Yes, one rep for every 15 people.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I think it's crazier in the Senate with some like Wyoming versus The Senate's.

[Phil Labonte]

Not supposed to represent the people.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, a lot represent the states.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I think the power dynamic with the population.

[Phil Labonte]

What's the point of having.

[Tim Pool]

Hold on guys. Okay, we gotta. Guys, you gotta calm down. I have just thought of a great marketing opportunity. Stickers that say deport a lot but do a lot. You'll get 20% in Hebrew.

[Elad Eliyahu]

My name. My name means God forever. So you're saying to deport God forever. That's blasphemous and frankly anti Semitic, so you better watch it.

[Tim Pool]

But what if we give you 20%?

[Elad Eliyahu]

Not enough. Put that number up.

[Phil Labonte]

If you were to get deported to Israel, would you be okay with that?

[Elad Eliyahu]

I'm a U.S. citizen. I've only ever been a U.S. citizen, unlike some other conservative commentators in the space. So like who?

[Phil Labonte]

I don't know.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I think it goes without saying. I think there's a lot of. Are you malevolent foreign? No, I'm not. I've only ever been an American citizen. No, I just think there's a lot of. Again, you could like go down the list. There's a lot of people. People who can complain about dual citizens, although they might be dual citizens themselves.

[Tim Pool]

Or do you guys think Ian Miles Chong is famous in Malaysia?

[Phil Labonte]

No.

[Tim Pool]

So it's like he's just like a normal dude there, but in the US he's like a well known American conservative commentator. I don't mean he's American, I mean like in the American political space and he doesn't live here. It's kind of wild. Could you imagine having to wake up at like 4 in the morning or like your day is 1am till works, third shift? Because I don't think it's gotta be him.

[Elad Eliyahu]

There's a lot of people on social media who pretend to be Americans or imply that they're Americans and aren't at all.

[Tim Pool]

Well, we talked about this because I posted a joke where I said, ask not what your country can do for you, but what your country can do for Israel. And I got thousands of retweets and people who are pro and anti Israel were laughing, saying hahaha. But there were a bunch of People that were getting angry and attacking me, calling me a shill for saying it. And I think the reason is they're not American. There was a guy and it was like. It was like, American flag. And it was like maga. And he was like, we knew it. You're a shill for Israel. Now, the reason why I think it's a foreigner. Americans understand the quote. It's a reference to jfk, and I'm mocking the idea. And the whole anti pro Israel, like people, I was making a joke. But if you were from a foreign country where you don't speak English and you're running it through a filter, you don't see a quote from JFK being satirized. You literally say, see Tim Pool saying it is important that your country helps Israel. And you're like, oh. And you're all angry, not understanding what the joke was. So I think most of these people. That's why I tweeted, Elon should make a filter that removes anyone from outside the US And I can. I only have to look at people from America or I can choose. I can say US and uk. That's it, I think. Or Canada.

[Elad Eliyahu]

It was a mistake to teach the Pakistanis English. That's what I think.

[Tim Pool]

All right, let's grab some more. Let's grab some more. Yak yakin, India. Republicans need to learn the leftist art of relentless incrementalism or they will never get anything done in any meaningful way. Yep, that's what I'm saying. I'm a reformer, not a revolutionary. Give me a grain of sand in the heap and I will take it. It Meo says, I hope it fails so I can go back to the Senate and they can put the Short act and Hearing Protection act back in and fire that parliamentarian. She is a product of the deep state that exists to make sure that never happens. And the system is rigged against you. We are chickens in a chicken coop. We walk around all day. We think we're in charge. There's the rooster. You chickens are walking around. They say, hey, there's. There's RB3 or Roberto Beaks third. He's the boss. And then Kim walks up, up, and she shoos him away. And then everyone runs screaming. And that's what we're doing. We're like, okay, Senate, get the job done. And then we're wondering why, like, nothing happens. Because they're like, shut up. Go away.

[Amber Duke]

She was a former advisor to Al Gore, by the way.

[Tim Pool]

That proves it. Yeah, debt to RP says the hpa and short act was added. Yeah, but like it was stripped of what it does, right?

[Phil Labonte]

Like it, it takes off the, the fee for $200. But you still have to register, you still have to get your fingerprints with you, give your fingerprints to the atf, you still have to put your photograph in and you still will be committing a felony if you cross state lines without and approval.

[Tim Pool]

And it'll take you a year to get it done.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, it doesn't take that long anymore, but. All right, well, I got like four NFA items in the past two months.

[Tim Pool]

Pinochet says just pin the gambling tax right to the head of the Senate parliamentarian. Now everyone will hate her. That's the other big issue here. Regular people who play fantasy sports and who, who like going to casinos. That's why it's a $172 billion industry are going to be mad at Trump's big beautiful bill. They, they will, they will use this against Trump and they will use it in the midterms, probably. They're going to be like, they're going to say Republican so and so voted to increase taxes on fantasy sports. And then you're going to get all these middle aged working class guys being like, what are you doing? Huh? They're gonna be pissed off. It's massively popular. People are gonna get pissed.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I think people who struggle with gambling should seek help.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. But is it struggling with gambling to play a game with your buddies and make wages on sporting?

[Elad Eliyahu]

Some more than others. But I think the most triggered would be those who have an unhealthy relationship with gambling.

[Tim Pool]

There are certainly those that exist and I do think there's too many casinos. But again, you're talking about regular run of the mill people who are downloading an app and they're playing fantasy sports with their friends and buddies now going, they're going to be going to their, their, their bar and saying fuck Trump. They're going to be like, this motherfucker just fucking turned off my fantasy sports. Why, why can't I watch football and do my bets with my buddies now, man? That's what I'm saying. Vegas is going to dump money in this like crazy.

[Amber Duke]

We can just go back to Venmo.

[Tim Pool]

Venmo for you do the Es, you.

[Amber Duke]

Fill out the ESPN bracket and you Venmo each other.

[Tim Pool]

Sure. But like, once again, the idea that, that the challenge we have in this country is we are addicts in everything. We're addicted to entitlements, we're addicted to gambling, we're addicted to sugary foods. And all this garbage. You can't Michael Bloomberg your way into the presidency by saying, we're gonna ban sodas and tax sugary drinks. People will throw the sodas at you. So I'm just saying this is like, this was a time bomb. They're targeting a massive industry of people who are addicted to their vice. And now they're being set up to say, the Republicans did this to you. I'm already seeing the posts online from people who have nothing to do with politics. I've already got people who are professionals in the industry saying, f Trump. They're like, he's screwing our industry over. He's destroying us. It's beginning. We'll see how much of an impact it can have. But again, $172 billion industry gonna be pissed off at Republicans in the Trump administration.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I think the casino and hotel industry should be more concerned about Trump deporting all the illegals where it can get your casinos at a hotel.

[Tim Pool]

So compound that. Compound it.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I'm making a joke, but no, you're not wrong.

[Tim Pool]

Remember, Trump came out and said the hospitality industry has got to be protected. The farmers. Oh, we can't do this. The farmers. Also the hospitality from pressure from Miller.

[Phil Labonte]

But he keeps making remarks about it, though he said something else about the necessity of illegal immigrants here to. Or of immigrants here to do.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I think he's trying to walk the line of making as many people satisfied with his messaging as possible because there's been a lot of heat on the immigration front, so he might try to turn it back over.

[Phil Labonte]

Donald Trump will go ahead and change what he's saying depending on how the. How it's being received.

[Elad Eliyahu]

So I've had a firsthand account of, you know, DHS and their immigration and crackdown efforts. And, I mean, I thought you were citizen. Not on.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, okay, I'm sorry, my bad.

[Elad Eliyahu]

On others, no, it's been very impressive to see what they've been able to achieve, especially in New York.

[Tim Pool]

Duende says. Tim, please read off the definition of gambling instead of just making logical fallacies. Are you. I'll read it for you. To play games of chance for money. Again, that means Pokemon is gambling and they don't enforce against it, which is my point. The legal definition, where lines are drawn on when something is a wager and is not, is ill defined and not enforced universally or equally so. There are going to be a ton of issues with this. I imagine the bill will end up with tons of lawsuits because they're gonna be arguing. The good news is maybe for games like Social Poker, they'll get an official Supreme Court ruling that doesn't qualify as a game of chance for money because they'll compare it to Pokemon. But I'll send it back to the story that I had for you guys a year and a half ago where I was talking to the West Virginia Lottery Commission, and I asked them, there's only five places in West Virginia where Texas hold' Em, Omaha. These kind of games are allowed, and it's in casinos. These are clearly games that are distinct from blackjack and craps. Right. Social Poker is a game of skill. 80% of the hands that win are not the strongest hand. It's skill based. So why are they regulated the same, while games like Pokemon and Yu Gi oh are not, despite being games of chance for money? And they told me, if it's collectible, it is allowed. You are allowed to gamble. You're allowed to make wagers and play. And then I asked them, does that mean that children playing Pokemon are allowed to gamble so long as the cards they're using are collectible? And they. The lottery commission told me yes. So we've been working on a card game called Debate Me, which is literally just Texas hold' Em, but the cards are like a golden trump card or something. And then according to the law, we're legally allowed to play literally any game we want, be it blackjack or otherwise, because the cards are collectible, which is the stupidest effing thing imaginable. The laws are not being properly mandated or enforced. Nobody knows what gambling is. Nobody knows what games are actually gambling. Again, like, poker is a Texas Hold' Em skill game. Pokemon skill game. They're both regulated separately, as if they're different games, as if one is a game of chance and one is not, despite both of them being games of chance. So we'll see. Let's grab some more of y' all super chats. See we got going on. I see the chat is going nuts. All right, we got Wyatt Kaltenberg says, Tim, get Rebecca Bar Seth on the culture war. She is the only Zionist to make sense. She allowed Horton and Dave Smith would make a fiery show.

[Elad Eliyahu]

What's her name?

[Tim Pool]

Rebecca Bar Seph.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I've never heard of her. I'm sure she's a great woman.

[Tim Pool]

She's a Zionist.

[Elad Eliyahu]

She has to be a great woman.

[Tim Pool]

Kenneth Hart says, please release a board that says touch manatees. Indeed. All right, what else we got going on here? Mike S. Says Dave Smith and Thomas Massey are not even remotely talked about in the real world. Outside of Twitter. Twitter people are delusional. AF Wrong. You are wrong. Dave Smith's a regular on the Joe Rogan podcast. He was on Tucker Carlson as well, and his episodes have massive viewership. In fact, some of the larger recent Joe Rogan episodes were the ones with Dave Smith and he had him on several times. So certainly Dave is not like an A list celebrity, but he, he is a topic of conversation. Blood base says Tim, saying Pokemon is gambling is like a drug addict saying, so what? Caffeine is a drug too. Spoken like someone who literally knows nothing about the space. But I'm more than happy to read your comment. So let's talk about what Pokemon Match, the Gathering, Yu Gi oh are referred to as poker and chess combined. So with Pokemon, you shuffle your cards, you draw cards at random, and if you get a bad draw, oh well, you lose. Magic the Gathering is better. I know magic. More magic has a thing in professional play called mulligan, where you'll draw seven cards. And if your opening hand is bad by chance, they've they actually calculate your win rate based on a bad draw. And if a player takes a mulligan, their chance of winning drops by like 17%.

[Phil Labonte]

So it is draw six as when you get a mulligan.

[Tim Pool]

So they change the rule. Now you. You scry. It's. Well, actually they change it all the time. So I believe the current rule is you scry, you look at the. You look. Or actually I think they change it again. You shuffle the hand back in draw seven, choose one you don't want, and then put on the bottom of your library or something. They keep. So since the beginning of Magic. So Magic Pokemon are largely similar games, somewhat different to extent based on like how they're played. But they're 60 card decks. You shuffle them up, you draw cards. The problem has always been that the randomization element makes it so that there's. There. There are games that are just purely not skill. And then there there have been professional games where the player draws seven cards, looks down, puts face, palms, shuffles. Never played a single game, draws six, slaps cards down, shakes his opponent hand, game over. That's not gambling though. Never played a game, no skill was to be had. He forfeited the guy 100 grand. Not skill, not gambling though. So the question is, where do you draw the line? My argument is Pokemon is gambling, literally gambling. And I. And, and I think if you want to regulate as such, it should be regulated. I don't think children should be wagering money to try and win prizes on games of chance. But I guess blood based is trying to make the argument that gambling is okay for kids so long as it's collectible card game. I guess. C' est la vie. I think it should not be for children anyway. Mike S. Says 90 of the population does not care. Does not give an issue about this bill or Thomas Massie grandstanding over it. They care about gas prices going down. Agreed.

[Phil Labonte]

Economy. It's the economy.

[Amber Duke]

Gas prices are the lowest they've been since 2019, I believe.

[Phil Labonte]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Still too damn high for sure.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I mean, look, gas. Low gas prices mean low everything prices.

[Elad Eliyahu]

So I'm not old enough to remember. I don't know, $2. That's crazy.

[Phil Labonte]

Like I remember 79 cents.

[Elad Eliyahu]

You know the picture of George Floyd with the neck on his neck by. With Derek Chauvin on his back. I think if you look in the back there, like there's gas prices in the back. And I think it was under $2 or something like that. And whenever I see it, I think it's a fake meme. But then I look it up and then it's a real photo. So that, that should be when we start. You know, before George Floyd. After George Floyd, gas prices.

[Amber Duke]

The real George Floyd effect.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Blood based is back. He says, quote, poker is not gambling. Dim fool. I, I challenge anybody who thinks poker is gambling to, to explain why Phil Hellmuth has 17 World Series of Poker bracelets.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Is it gambling? To send in a super chat to Tim and hope he reads it. If it doesn't, it's just a big waste.

[Tim Pool]

So again, we can make like the argument. There's a certain. There's an argument to be made about when something becomes a game of chance. If you are playing a game of football and it snows, are you gambling? Did you. It's snowing outside?

[Amber Duke]

I mean, well, the court. The legal definition in the course is typically that 50% threshold of whether it's primary, primarily skill or primarily chance.

[Tim Pool]

So Texas hold' em is about 80% skill.

[Amber Duke]

I don't play Texas.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Sounds hard to quantify. I don't disagree with you that it's a skill based game.

[Tim Pool]

It is quantified. So the thing about Texas hold' Em is that they throw you two cards and you don't wager money. Money in Texas hold' Em, you'll be given two cards. You don't wager any money. You look at your cards, you throw them away or choose to enter the. Enter the pot. So there are blind bets that everyone has to do when it goes around. But you, you can always choose to fold and never put money in. And so just sit there and never play. So you decide based on the cards you get. If you're going to pay in, then three cards come out. This is hold them specifically. And then you make a decision again whether you want to stay in. But it's the difference between say, hold them and three card poker, which is a table game. You'll put $20 on the table, then they give you your cards and you go, damn, my cards suck, I fold. Whereas hold them again. You are given the cards without paying and then decide if you want to play. Big difference. And I think the Studies show that 80% of hands that win poker match poker hands, like they win the round are not the strongest hand.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Exactly. Because a brush aggression is rewarded in poker and almost ever, I mean it does, but a lot of the time it doesn't get to the end where everybody has to show up.

[Tim Pool]

For a lot of people, this is the challenge we have in the law. People like blood based don't know what the game is. And so they're imagining like you go to a poker table, you go to a table at a casino, give him 50 bucks, he hands you two cards and you go, what does this mean? Or like blackjack, you put money down, then they give you cards, then you decide to hit or whatever. But for games like, like there's a ton of poker games like Raz, High Low, Omaha, Big O, Texas Hold' Em, seven Card Stud, five Card Stud, five Card Draw, etc, all of them allow you to get cards typically before you put any money up. Some of them have antes, usually they don't. All right, what'd it go? What do we got? Let's see. Ginger McIsaac says, I've seen returns where professional gamblers claimed their travel expenses as a loss on schedule C. Gambling isn't going anywhere. This is exactly the point. If you're a pro poker player, they, they're saying you are being regulated as gambling despite it being substantially different of a game and you're entering tournaments. And they say that when you fly yourself to Vegas to enter a tournament, that would qualify, that would be filed under a gambling loss, but now you can't expense, you can't expense 100 of it. So now as a business, there are a ton of people that I know that run classes explaining the math. There's people who do like lessons on what's called game theory, optimal and things like this. All of that is, is, it's like the one it's like a special class of people that can't expense their businesses. Now it's wild. All right. Hal Gailey says poker attorneys aren't gambling. You aren't betting on an outcome. You are paying for entry to compete for the purse. Table games, horse and dog sports. Call sheep, Poly market, stock market, all gambling. Agreed. Again, they are treating these tournaments as though they are wagers. That's the issue. Let's go. We'll grab some more. Is this all everybody's asking about? Mike S Says you don't have to abolish the Lib Tardarians, just they destroy themselves just like leftists.

[Elad Eliyahu]

At the expense of Republican power, though. That's the issue.

[Tim Pool]

Steve Cox says Jefferson county girls Little League softball team won the West Virginia state championship Sunday. These talented girls will be at the IHOP and Gorilla Fireworks in Charlestown on Thursday, 9 to 3, raising money for their national regional championships in Irma, South Carolina.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I don't know if that's the best. I don't. I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

The best.

[Elad Eliyahu]

No, to say I wouldn't have.

[Amber Duke]

Sounds like a bunch of online strangers.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Oh, a bunch of young girls are great at baseball and they're going to be at this IHOP at X time.

[Tim Pool]

They're doing a fundraiser.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I know. It just. It just the way it sounded coming out, bro.

[Tim Pool]

You think someone's going to come to West Virginia and hurt the Little League girls? Like there's going to be a guy.

[Elad Eliyahu]

How many viewers are there on the show? You know, it only takes 50,000, you know, one stupid person to say, oh, this guy supports stupid argument. These, These young women support Tim.

[Tim Pool]

These young girls. I'm sorry.

[Phil Labonte]

A lot.

[Elad Eliyahu]

These young baseball players.

[Tim Pool]

I don't give you as much flack as the audience does, but that one was over the line. The idea that someone wouldn't try to market their fundraiser is stupid. People spend tons of money to appear on Google. They spend tens of thousands of dollars and all sorts of crazy random people are going to see it. And this dude's trying to raise money for his. His daughter's Little league softball team. So they go to South Carolina. And I thought it was a great thing to read because he's trying to get that money.

[Elad Eliyahu]

So did he want him to donate in person or online?

[Tim Pool]

What do you mean?

[Elad Eliyahu]

Like, because it sounds like.

[Tim Pool]

And I read a super chat.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Yeah, it just sounded like he was dropping that address to donate.

[Tim Pool]

Right. Because he wants people to shop to donate money so his kids can go play their softball championship. You got. You got a Dark mind a lot.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I mean I'm super. The world's turned me so cynical past few years.

[Tim Pool]

Do not come to west.

[Amber Duke]

I honestly had the same reaction. I was like some creeps going to show up.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, not in West Virginia.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I hope not.

[Amber Duke]

Not in West Virginia.

[Tim Pool]

There's going to be a guy casually carrying his Barrett M82 just.

[Amber Duke]

Oh, I know. I was looking more from the pito angle.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, there is going to be a guy casually carrying his Barrett and when the creepy guy shows up, he's going to be turned to pink dust. This is West Virginia. This is not New York or dc.

[Elad Eliyahu]

If you could DM me the fun.

[Phil Labonte]

Nowadays than it's ever been. Like it's safer nowadays than it was like when I was growing up. Now granted you don't have the ability to, to project that kind of advertisement so easily. You do, but like it, it's, it's a pretty safe world.

[Tim Pool]

This was the best. Seems like it's 50 ad campaign anyone's ever bought ever.

[Phil Labonte]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

Also, it also, it also impugns the honor of the Tim Cast viewer as if to imply they are creepos who are going to come and do something untoward.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I think there are a lot of hate watchers.

[Tim Pool]

Sure. We're gonna go to the uncensored call in portion of the show where we're gonna do naughty things with AI and it'll be fun. So smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know. You can follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast. We'll see [e-mail] Timcast IRL. Amber, do you want to shout anything out?

[Amber Duke]

Yeah. Check out daily caller.com also the hills rising and Reasons Free media. And you could follow me on X at Amber Marie Duke.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Amber, it was really fun to talk to you on the show. My name's A Lot Eliyahu. I'm the White House correspondent and field reporter here at Tim Cast. You could find me on Twitter and Instagram under a lot. Eliyahu. Recently I've been covering a lot of deportations by ice, Border Patrol ero outside the immigration courts in New York City, which has made for some very dramatic coverage. So please check that out. Phil.

[Phil Labonte]

I am Phil that remains on Twix. I'm Phil that remains official on Instagram. The band is all that remains. Our new rad record is entitled Antifragile. You can check it out on Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify and Deezer in YouTube. And don't forget the left lane is for crime.

[Tim Pool]

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