Unknown (5:39)

I'm great. Good to be here, guys. Cliff Maloney, CEO at Citizens alliance, founder at the PA Chase. Knock a lot of doors out there to crush the R, beat the commies. And I'm looking to doze your state. So get involved. Follow me on xaloney. Appreciate you all having me.

Phil (5:55)

Awesome. And we've also got Courtney Nil here.

Courtney Nil (5:58)

Hi, this is Courtney Nill. I am running for Charlestown City Council in Jefferson County, West Virginia. I'm also a creator over on X with political and health content and that's at Courtney Nil on X.

Phil (6:11)

Awesome. Moon Lord.

Ian Crossland (6:13)

Hey buddy. I'm here just to talk about magic. So you want me to go deeper, Phil?

Phil (6:18)

Not right now. We'll get into that.

Ian Crossland (6:20)

I'm Ian Crossland. I'll give you an outro at the end of the show. I'll tell you about what I've been up to. But Libby, tell me.

Phil (6:24)

Awesome.

Libby Emmons (6:24)

I'm Libby Emmons. I'm here from the post Millennial and human events dot com. Glad to be on the show tonight with y'all.

Phil (6:30)

Awesome. So let's get into it. CNN reports the U. S economy added a stronger than expected 177000 jobs in April. America's long resilient job market continues to defy expectations in the even in the wake of swirling uncertainty, the US economy added a surprisingly strong 177,000 jobs in April, a slight slowdown from March's downwardly revised 185,000 gain. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics data released Friday. April's gain was stronger than the average pace of monthly job growth in the three prior months. Meanwhile, the unemployment rate was unchanged at 4.2. A historically low level. Economists poll the data firm Factset were expecting the economy to have added just 135,000 jobs last last month and that unemployment rate held at 4 to 4.2%. So it's my sense that the, the jobs, you know, report is something that is, is positive for the economy overall but the uncertainty still there. Does anyone have any opinion on the economy now? I mean I'm not an economist but I think that the, the surgeon surge is an economist. I think that the, the, the jobs report is a tangible whereas the, the, the stock market really doesn't, doesn't affect, you know, people the same way that, that, you know, having, you know, low unemployment does. What, what do you think, Cliff?

Unknown (8:00)

Yeah, I'd say this. I think that you've got different indicators that obviously the political arena is going to look to. This is one that the Democrats will be mad about. Republicans will praise it. And I think any realist would look at it and say, okay, you know, I'm going to praise it because it's good. We want more jobs. But to me, it's going to come down to what's the impact of the tariffs? What's the impact of the spending bills towards the end of this year? Do we actually cut the spending that Doge has, you know, showed us all this waste, fraud and abuse. But I think this is the first step is to track some of these smaller things, because this is going to dictate 2026, right. When you're looking at this midterm election, I mean, these are the small numbers, but I think it's going to build towards this idea of, well, we actually going to cut spending. We're actually going to do what the Republicans said they would do. And I think the tariffs, to me, it's the big question. But I think seeing these numbers, you're going to see the right screaming, this is great. You're going to see the left saying, hey, oops, you know, here's actually what's wrong. But I think it's a very good thing to see. And, you know, obviously, we'd love to see more jobs.

Phil (8:56)

It's business as usual, as far as you're concerned.

Unknown (8:58)

Correct?

Libby Emmons (8:58)

Okay, well, the White House is super happy about it. You know, they sent out this whole. They sent out this whole thing with the details. So there were, as you said, 177,000 new jobs, which they said was smashing expectations. This included private education and health services, 70,000 new jobs, transportation and warehousing, which I thought was interesting. 29,000. Leisure and hospitality, plus 24,000. Professional and business services, plus 17,000, and financial activities, 14,000. So all of those people that were saying that everything Trump was doing was going to tank the economy and get everyone fired right away, it looks like they were wrong. Also, all of the people who are saying that, you know, removing illegal immigrants was going to be bad for the American people, like, there's still jobs, that's not so bad. And the stock market has responded. I think it was up. What is the Wall street journal says 1.3% on the NASDAQ, and the S&P was 1.5. So, you know, I think that things are looking okay. Unemployment also had held steady at 4.2%. It's really, though, I mean, as we know, right, like the economy, all of these numbers come out. The White House says things, Democrats say things. Everybody has their projections, but it's really about how you feel when you're going around in the world. It's about like how does, do you feel good when you have 100 bucks in your pocket or do you feel like you are losing money? Do you know what I mean? Like, do you feel like you can afford your life or not?

Phil (10:32)

I don't, I don't get the sense that the average person feels like the economy is doing really well. And I think that the economy is one of those things if you get enough people that are kind of like, you know, apprehensive about where the country's heading, that's going to affect the economy. Even if, you know we've got really high or full employment or unemployment is really low or whatever. Do you guys get the sense that there is a, a positive notion towards the economy or the economic situation in the US or do you think that the, the tariffs have scared people so much that they're expecting negative things too much and that, that it's going to be a self fulfilling prophecy?

Courtney Nil (11:11)

Well, I think people can get a little bit spooked when they hear things like the tariffs that we've just been discussing. And once people get through that, once they're like, okay, all right, maybe it's not going to be the end of the world that we have some tariffs going on. I think people will look at their grocery prices and they'll look at what's affecting their day to day life sometimes more than numbers coming in and things like that. Just the average person.

Phil (11:37)

So I don't know a whole lot about, about the, if tariffs are going to affect like grocery prices, it's my sense that they're not, but I don't know. Does anyone have any information about that? Libby, do you know any more about like do you think they're going to actually affect the grocery? Because I think you're right, Courtney. I think if people feel like they're going to the grocery store because that's the most regular purch, just that most people do that and gas and if they're going to the grocery store and they don't feel like they're getting killed, I think that things like Temu being more expensive on Amazon or Team was different than Amazon. But you know, things that you're, you're buying from Amazon being more expensive will have less impact. If you're going to the grocery store and you're not getting crushed or you don't feel like you're getting crushed is, does anyone else have, I think the.

Libby Emmons (12:22)

White House has done a really good job of messaging in terms of letting people know that buying little cheap pieces of crap off Temu or Amazon, where when you buy stuff on Amazon at this point, like, I was looking for a thing the other day for my cat. Like, just a dumb thing for my cat. You know, put the litter box in so I don't have to look at it anyway, you know, people with cats, you know I'm talking about. But I could. It was very hard to find one that wasn't just made in China, that I didn't know when it was ever going to show up or if it was going to be like the picture said it was. And I'm constantly. And I'm sure I'm not the only one. I'm constantly looking for, like, was this made in the U.S. is this going to be decent quality? You know, like, I have this situation with printers. How many printers have I bought in the past, like three or four years?

Unknown (13:06)

I can't get a printer to work.

Libby Emmons (13:07)

I can't get a printer Right, right. It's like it just one little aspect of it just stops working. And what I wouldn't give for, like the toaster my grandma had in the 80s, you know what I mean? Like, stuff.

Phil (13:20)

You don't want your toaster connected to WI Fi.

Libby Emmons (13:22)

I don't want that. I don't want the talking fridge. I don't want any of these things. But I do want stuff that works and stuff that lasts, you know? And so like. And I keep hearing, like, I was listening to this podcast the other day. It was on. Honestly, I don't know if you guys listen to Bari Weiss's podcast ever. She's kind of interesting. But you had two people with contrasting views. Bhatia Angar Sargon, who I think is really an interesting.

Phil (13:47)

She's very, very much a cheerleader for the administration.

Libby Emmons (13:49)

She's very much a cheerleader for the administration, but she's also kind of a socialist. And, you know, she lives. She lives in Brooklyn.

Phil (13:55)

She's a surprising cheerleader for administration.

Libby Emmons (13:58)

And she's really smart.

Phil (13:59)

Right.

Libby Emmons (14:00)

But anyway, she was making the argument that it's important to bring home manufacturing jobs. Manufacturing jobs, even if factories are going to have AI components and all of this stuff, and that Americans can do these jobs. And then you had Brianna Wu, who's like this trans leftist who's also on the show. And Brianna was talking about how Americans are just not smart enough to do the kind of jobs that they're doing in China.

Phil (14:25)

And, like, has some bad takes and.

Libby Emmons (14:28)

She'S had some bad takes all around.

Phil (14:30)

Yeah.

Libby Emmons (14:30)

But there they were on the episode and like, I was catching up on a lot of podcasts at once anyways. But I think that that's an interesting place to be for Americans. Do we want these jobs? Can we do these jobs? Can we produce quality merchandise? You know, like when Henry Ford, whatever you want to think about Henry Ford, when Henry Ford started his factory, like, one thing he wanted was he wanted his workers to be able to buy a Ford, you know.

Phil (14:57)

Yeah, that, that makes perfect sense. I, I do think that it's an interesting, interesting question. Would Americans pay more money for things that are not so disposable? You hear, you hear people talk about, you know, consumerism and, and constantly upgrading and if when something breaks, just go buy another one because things are so cheap now. Would do you guys get the sense that people would buy, are comfortable with buying higher quality and paying more money? You know, would you, would you pay, would you pay $75 for a toaster if you knew that that was the toast, the last toaster you'd ever buy?

Libby Emmons (15:33)

Oh, yes, I would.

Ian Crossland (15:34)

I said no, because I saw a company did that experiment. They were like, it's going to cost us, I think, two and a half times more if we do it out of China. So they put it on their website, buy it from China for 350 bucks or from America or whatever it was for 790.

Phil (15:50)

What was it?

Ian Crossland (15:51)

Zero people bought the. I'm trying to look it up right now. I'll look it up.

Libby Emmons (15:54)

It's because the other thing was available at a cheaper price.

Phil (15:57)

Yeah. And the reason and like the idea.

Libby Emmons (15:58)

Is that the $75 toaster is available and it's a good quality toaster and it's made in America. Or you could get a $90 toaster that's crap and made in China. That's the idea of these tariffs is.

Phil (16:09)

From what I understand because, like, personally, I will go.

Libby Emmons (16:14)

Shopify helps you sell at every stage of your business.

Ian Crossland (16:16)

Like that.

Libby Emmons (16:17)

Let's put it online and see what happens.

Phil (16:19)

Stage and the site is live that.

Libby Emmons (16:22)

We opened a store and need a fast checkout.

Phil (16:24)

Stage.

Libby Emmons (16:24)

Thanks. You're all set that count it up.

Phil (16:26)

And ship it around the globe stage. This one's going to Thailand and that.

Libby Emmons (16:31)

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Phil (16:42)

Listen, with something that I know is going to last if it, like if I have the option if And I'll pay a little extra for something that I know that I'm gonna have in two, three, five years. Like, I, I've got a leather, my leather bag here. It wasn't cheap, but I know that thing's gonna last just as long as I'm not, you know, don't abuse it. It'll last me, probably last for the rest of my life.

Libby Emmons (17:06)

Well, and part of it too is when you know that things fall apart. We have a situation now where it doesn't matter what you pay for something, it's crap, right? Like, yes, yes.

Unknown (17:15)

There is no quality.

Libby Emmons (17:16)

There is no quality option. Like, I could pay $500 for a printer and it's gonna die in a year and just stop working anyway. You know, I could pay like a thousand dollars for a dress. And the, the hems aren't finished and it has no lining. Like, why? Why? Like, it used to be that if you were gonna pay. You feel me on the dress, right? It used to be if you were gonna like, buy a piece of designer clothing, this was a classic item, it was Gonna Last you 20, 30 years. You were gonna be able to sell it at the consignment shop for good money as well, like good quality pieces. Now if you buy a designer item, it's just as crappy as whatever you bought at H and M. It just has a different label.

Courtney Nil (17:58)

Yeah, that's where I think we're seeing a big shift is in the fashion space. And I think a lot of the younger generations are more focused on sustainability and even more focused on cottons, things like that, better materials.

Phil (18:11)

So I think the. I think you're right. Like, but I'm, I mean, I'm, I'm less versed in fashion, but I know that like, if I am going to go buy a tool, I'm not going to go to Harbor Freight. Right. I'm going to go buy a Dewalt or I'm going to go buy, you know, a, a good quality, a craftsman, a good quality tool that I know that I can, you know, bring back to, to the, the manufacturer and be like, yo, this broke. If something breaks on it. But you go to Harbor Freight, you're getting what you pay for. Now I know there are people that love Harbor Freight stuff, love Harbor Freight because they love that cheap stuff. But you can't deny that the quality is not the same. And so I think that it does go beyond just, you know, fashion and stuff.

Unknown (18:54)

Well, I think people are a lot simpler than politicians or these economists make them out to Be, it's like consumer choice, right? If they have options, they're going to look, they're going to see, like you said, if it's provided. You know, maybe the study shows they don't go that way. But I think right now what you're having the argument from America first, folks, is, look, if we can make this an equal playing field, if we can get China to have to not, you know, be able to compete with a price that's a third the cost, then there will be this opportunity for these products that come in. Here's the problem. Politically, you only have a year.

Libby Emmons (19:27)

Right?

Unknown (19:27)

Right. So anyone that ever tries to do this, you have one year that you have to have not just the changes made, but then the products have to start coming in. But most importantly, the voters have to feel the change. Right. When we talk about these numbers that come out of the White House, when we talk about all these high level things, I just think at the end of the day when people walk into the voting booth, and by the way, the reason I'm always bringing it back to the voting booth is, you know, that's why these politicians are making the decisions they're making. Right. As they're trying to figure that out. But for them to get these changes in place, in time, I mean, we're talking about these changes have to be done by the end of this year. And then you've got to have products start coming in and they've got to start feeling that by the summer of 2026. I mean, it's going to be quick. But to me, I just think people, I'm not calling them stupid, I just think that most normal people, they're trying to pay their mortgage, put food on the table, what are the options? And I think a lot of them don't trust right now this idea that, well, there is a quality product. Because I'm 33 years old, there aren't a lot of quality products that I've seen in my lifetime. It's all cheap garbage.

Libby Emmons (20:28)

Oh, crap, all of it. And it all breaks and then it all just falls apart. And then you're just like, I worked really hard, I got paid, I spent my money on this and now, now it's in the gutter.

Courtney Nil (20:41)

And I think Americans are genuinely pissed off about that situation.

Libby Emmons (20:44)

So infuriating, right?

Phil (20:46)

I mean it's so, I think it's one of the, I think it's one of those things where like people don't realize they are until like something breaks and then they, they realize, oh, this is Frustrating. And then it goes away. But then when it's something that kind of stays in the back of their mind but they don't really think about.

Unknown (20:59)

They ordered on AM and it's there in two hours. Yeah, it's the same.

Libby Emmons (21:03)

Well, and now there's this thing where it's, like, hard to return stuff, too. It's hard to. They make it, like, increasingly harder to return.

Phil (21:09)

I'm not sure what the deal is with Amazon lately, but I've had, like, three orders that I've ordered in the past, like, three weeks and have. Have issues getting to my house.

Libby Emmons (21:16)

Last year, I bought a pair of shoes for my son, and instead of the shoes I ordered, it was a pair of used Reeboks with gum on the bottom. It showed up in the box, and I was so grossed out and horrified. Yeah. And I couldn't get any response. And I. I think I had to, like, take to Twitter to be like, hey, hey, fix this.

Unknown (21:35)

You guys actually take the time to return things. If we're talking, like, something that's under 50 bucks, I usually do, but they'll.

Ian Crossland (21:42)

Just give me the money. They'll just be like, fine, just keep it and keep the thing. If I get broke or if it's any kind of food product, they don't want it back. So if they send you the wrong food product, you just tell them and they'll refund you on the fly. I don't abuse it, but sometimes they'll literally, like you said, Phil, I'll get, like, three orders in a row will be wrong every once in a while. I got a wave of it, like, two ago. I don't know if you guys did two months ago.

Unknown (22:01)

I just think we have it so good and don't realize it because I think the majority of people, and I get it, some people, you know, having tough times. But the majority of people, you order like, a shirt for 30 bucks, and it comes in, it's the wrong size. Are you really going through the process of getting the return label, sending it back? I just think a lot of people, they're not doing that well.

Libby Emmons (22:20)

That's why they make it harder to return it, because they know that if it's hard to return, most people are just going to eat that 30 bucks. But the thing is, it's. There's two sides of it, right? So if you don't like shopping on Amazon and getting garbage delivered to your house, that's wrong. And then just eating the 30 bucks and you want to go to the store and try and Buy something there. You can't find the thing at the store. You know, like how hard. It's hard to like just go buy something at the store. That is the thing you need. So a lot of times you end up having to buy it. You know, you'll go to like Walmart or whatever. And instead of like five decent options, there's one option that sucks.

Ian Crossland (22:56)

Talk about having a good, like even just the idea of the store. Like there's a store called the store that we are just so used to.

Libby Emmons (23:03)

I like the store. I want to go to the store. I want to go to the mall. Stuff at the mall.

Phil (23:09)

It is. I do like, I really do miss like having the ability to go and like pick something up if I need it. Like, Amazon's cool and stuff. But a lot of times I'm like, yeah, like, I like one of the things that I've been waiting on is just red loctite. Why am I waiting on red loctite? Why don't I go to Lowe's? Well, because it's on Amazon and I just hit the button, say, okay, it should be here tomorrow. Well, guess what? Now I've been waiting a week and a half for my damn red loctite, you know, so I, I do, I do miss the whole, the, the, the fact that you would just be like, oh, I want to go to the store to get this, or I need this and I'll go to the mall and pick it up.

Unknown (23:46)

I had a funny experience on Monday. I was at the White House for the Eagles celebration. So I'm trying to buy a green suit and it's plays to this, you know, I wanted to get a green. So I was looking for a Kelly green sea suit, but any green suit would have done. But I'm in Vegas, I'm out there and I'm like in a massive metro area. And every single, you know, men's dress store that I would go to. Now this is a first world privilege problem, okay? I'm not talking about a 30 expenditure, but I'm trying to get this. Got this invite and every single person would say the same thing. They're like, oh, well, you know, you can order online. You know, there's tons of options. And then I go on Amazon, I ordered this Kelly green suit. It comes in, it looks like I'm a leprechaun, right? It doesn't fit. It's horrible. The, the materials just garbage. Yeah, you're right. I miss that experience.

Libby Emmons (24:31)

You used to be able to get that in Philadelphia at Kraft Brothers.

Unknown (24:34)

There you go.

Ian Crossland (24:34)

You know, it's same with food. You wanna, I wanna test out my food before I buy, like my produce. I wanna feel the melon. Same with the shirt. I mean, it's the same with the shirt. But because of this upward momentum of finances since, especially since COVID the acceleration, the hyper conglomeration of, of corporations, you megacorpse in control of a lot of.

Phil (24:54)

I feel like the, the issue is, I feel like the issue is that Covid kind of gave us a taste of what it could be. But as time's gone on, the, the quality that was, that it used to, that products used to have from Amazon, right? Like you used to be able to get decent stuff from Amazon. It's really just gone down the tubes as more and more and more people got used to having things delivered to their house. It's like once you get used to that, you knee jerk to Amazon to get anything. Then it's like companies realized, oh, we can just sell garbage on Amazon and people will buy it. So it's like a, you know, it's an unhappy byproduct of, of constantly getting stuff from the Internet as opposed to going.

Ian Crossland (25:38)

And I'm sure they have this conversation Amazon and they're like, okay, we're gonna just sell crap. We're gonna be willing to lower our quality or they'll facilitate the sales of whatever cheap quality. And then they're like, if they return it, they return it. We, it's a cost on us. But odds are they're not going to return it because they, they just play on that.

Phil (25:55)

And you're probably right.

Courtney Nil (25:57)

That's why, that's why I almost never buy anything from Amazon unless there's something that I just cannot get. I'm like, nope, I'm gonna go to the store, I'm gonna try it on and make sure that it's something decent. And even still, that's the sad part, is that so many of the products that are in the stores, even that you go to look at, it's terrible. I had a pair of shorts that I just bought. I don't normally go to the big department stores, but I went to J.C. penney's and I got a pair of shorts. The first day that I wore the shorts, the button, like, failed.

Phil (26:24)

Yeah.

Courtney Nil (26:25)

And like it broke out of the whole shorts. And I'm like, what in the world? I'm like, what, what is this garbage? And I'm like, fine, I'm just buying stuff at Levi's. I'm like, I know that it'll last longer. I'm like, this is so stupid.

Libby Emmons (26:37)

And it doesn't matter where you buy it. I mean, you could buy shorts for, you know, $20. You could buy shorts for a hundred dollars. You could buy shorts for, you know, $200. The button's gonna come off. Button's gonna come off.

Ian Crossland (26:48)

Did you guys see, before we move on away from Amazon, that they were gonna display the tariff costs on their website? And then there's a bunch of government hoping they would.

Phil (26:55)

And I thought it was a good idea because I, at the very least, I want to know if something's coming from China or something made in America. I wish they would tell you.

Libby Emmons (27:03)

It's interesting because it wasn't going to be for the consumer side. It was for something called Amazon hall, which is like more wholesale or something.

Ian Crossland (27:11)

The White House pushed back. So as of three days ago on cnbc, Amazon says display tearing tariff costs. Not going to happen.

Unknown (27:17)

Yeah, government always hates transparency. I mean, think about that. Amazon is trying to put this forward. They probably, if they wanted to go forward, let's say they'd have it done in three days. I still can't tell you what it costs to go to the doctor's office to get a routine physical.

Libby Emmons (27:30)

No one can.

Unknown (27:30)

There's no transparency and the government loves shutting that down.

Ian Crossland (27:34)

Why do you guys think that? Is it the cheap quality just because they can get away with it because China has a monopoly on manufacturing right now?

Phil (27:40)

Well, I think because people expect to replace things as opposed to have things that last.

Ian Crossland (27:46)

Land obsolescence.

Phil (27:47)

Yeah, that. That's something that's been fairly well known. And maybe it has something to do with the fact that there is such a turnover in technology now. That kind of, that mindset is filtered into other products as well. But, I mean, well.

Courtney Nil (28:02)

And more people don't know how to do repairs on products anymore either. I mean, look at cars. They've made everything so sophisticated on some of these newer vehicles that if you were going to try to actually go work on that yourself or, well, you'll need all these, you know, very specific tools. You have the whole, you know, digital apparatus that's built into it. It's not the same as it was, you know, 30 years ago to try to change your oil or just do something routine on your car.

Ian Crossland (28:28)

There's this movement called the right to repair move that.

Libby Emmons (28:31)

I believe in that, too.

Ian Crossland (28:32)

And I would hear it and it'd be like, boring. Every time I'd hear it, I'd be like, yawn. Data tech. But it's so important, according to the people that I think it's Luis Rossman, who has been on this show before. Great. He's big into it. And it's just like, hey, Apple, if you're going to sell products, you need to sell the products that I am going to need to repair this thing. And it's like a legal battle. I don't know where it's at right now, but I think that would be something cool to push forward.

Phil (28:55)

I don't know.

Libby Emmons (28:55)

I think that's a big deal too. Yeah. Because people used to be able to look at like my cousin Vinnie, like she knew how to fix a car.

Phil (29:01)

Well, I mean, fixing cars.

Libby Emmons (29:03)

Watch that again the other day.

Phil (29:04)

It's a good movie. I mean, I don't know that I, I don't know that I want the government telling Apple what they have to do. I don't know that I want the government telling Tesla what they have to do. I do think that it's fine to be like, hey, you know, I want to know how to fix this or I want to be able to fix this. I also like the way Apple products work and part of that is Apple's control over how they work. I like the way my Tesla works and part of that is Tesla's control over how they work. So I do understand people that are like, yo, I want to be able to fix this. But at the same time I also, like, I don't want the quality of the product to change. I don't want my computer to, to work badly. I don't want to have, you know, the, the garbage, you know, spyware or whatever that tends to be ubiquitous through PC stuff in my Apple products as well. I like that control that the company has. And there are options. If you don't want to be, have a company that has that kind of control of it, you can buy other stuff.

Unknown (30:08)

So, yeah, and I think the, the market reacts. I know everyone's jumping the AI, but like, we keep talking about, you know, cars. I was meeting with these guys. There's this new company, Crash Champions. They, you know, collision repair type company. And they were telling me like, they're dying for technicians, people that have these skills. Because, you know, most people don't these days. Right. And most people, you know, even just a simple ability to fix something in your car, they went from like eight locations in 2018. They've got like over 650 now now. So, you know, not saying this plays into the AI thing and, and that, you know, we're trying to but the market will respond. And I think a lot of these things, it's interesting to see. Yeah, we'd like to be able to fix it, but there is an argument here. It's creating a lot of jobs, you know, making it so that things are popping up. But yeah, the crash champions, I was talking to them last week and kind of fascinated with, you know, how the market is moving to that because it's a real skill to be able to fix those things that most people, they just don't have that skill set.

Ian Crossland (31:00)

They're repairing stuff with new technology.

Unknown (31:02)

So they're just, I mean, they're, they're repairing, it's a crash, you know, collision type repairs, but which obviously I'm not saying normal folks should be able to do that, but I'm just saying it's interesting to see the job market kind of spring up because there's just certain things that AI it's going to take a while to get there, but the market's going to provide and respond.

Phil (31:21)

All right, we're going to jump to this story here. Court audio from 2020 reveals wife of Kilmar Abrego Garcia said he hit her repeat repeatedly. Shocker from the post. Millennial Kilmar Abrego Garcia, an alleged Ms. 13 gang member deported to El Salvador, faces additional allegations of abuse after a newly released audio recording featuring his wife, Jennifer Vasquez Aura, pleading to a judge for a temporary protection order against him. In the audio recorded during an August 2020 court hearing, Sura had detailed the alleged physical abuse she suffered from a Briga Garcia, which inc. Garcia which included allegations that he grabbed her by the hair, slapped her and I mean slapping his, hitting. But on Wednesday he hit me like around like three in the morning. He would just wake up and like hit me, she told the judge. Sura said she attempted to escape after witnessing a neighbor walk by and screamed for help. However, the attempt was unsuccessful. She said Abrego Garcia then grabbed me from my hair and then slapped me. According to the audio obtained by USA Today, there's the, is the audio here on this, this video or is this.

Libby Emmons (32:30)

Yeah, there's an audio.

Phil (32:31)

All right, let's take a listen to this.

Libby Emmons (32:34)

I came to fill out a protective order. I think it was in December. But I didn't show up to the court because his family like washed my brain telling me that his dad was sick and not to do it. So it's, I didn't do anything. But after that it was like I would call up police.

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Phil (35:04)

Is anyone surprised about this?

Unknown (35:06)

It's a bad dude. Very bad dude.

Phil (35:09)

Look, my opinion on this whole Abrego Garcia situation is deport him regardless of any criminal activity that he's had the fact that he's here illegally is all I need to know. Go home, send him out. I don't care. This stuff proves that he's bad. But this is all Democrat, Republican arguing over, you know, is he a good guy, is he a bad guy, is he innocent Baba angel, or is he, you know, Ms. 13 gang, evil man, I don't care. He's here illegally. Send him home. This is why Donald Trump was elected. I don't see why this is so controversial.

Libby Emmons (35:50)

What I think is crazy, too, is the Democrats have spent so much time trying to paint this guy as a saint, and he had a deportation order already. He wasn't deported at the time. It was, in fact, I think in 2019, the DOJ just decided not to send him home. There was an order that he didn't have to go to some place, but he could be sent to other places. So he's had his due process. This order to deport him has been there this whole time. He already went through the court system. This is not the case to die on yet. They've had how many Democrats have gone down to El Salvador to try and talk to this guy. He's got the tattoos that are indicative of MS.13 activity. He was picked up in front of a Home Depot in Maryland. What was it after his first arrest, like 2019ish. And that was part of local cops doing an investigation into local gang activity. Like, that's why he was picked up there. He's beat up his wife, obviously, many times. And even when she was interviewed about it and she said, are you afraid of your husband? She said, my husband's alive. That's all I can say after a really long pause, like, this is not a guy who. He's not American. He's already has a deportation order. He's a citizen of El Salvador, and now he's under their jurisdiction. Like, how is this an issue for everybody?

Unknown (37:21)

And I cannot understand how Democrats continue to pick these issues to go all in on that 10, 15% of their own party is excited about it or thinks that it's some big deal. To me, this is going to become. If they stick with this and they go all in the way they are, they double down, they triple down. This will become the issue that the border has been for the past four years. Right. They're doubling down on the worst issue they have, which is the border. They still think this virtue signaling is going to work. I mean, I don't think it's as big as the, you know, transgender surgeries for these Prison inmates. I don't think the Republicans will spend that much money on it. But if they continue this into 2026, talking about this guy and all this stuff keeps coming out, I just think it's one of the stupidest political moves you can possibly make.

Phil (38:07)

That's why I love it.

Ian Crossland (38:08)

It's sort of the phenomenon of like, smelling blood in the water. A shark, just one drop of blood and that motherfucker gonna go crazy. Just like people looking for a problem, looking for a Trump problem. There's a drop of it. Let's go crazy, yo. And it's almost like you can bait them. I'm sure the administration is looking for ways to bait them. Getting upset about things that aren't a big.

Phil (38:27)

Well, I mean, look, but it's, it's not even just the administration. There was that. What was it? The, the reporter that was walking next to Ilhan Omar and asked her a question just completely and totally calmly normal. Wasn't, you know, wasn't some kind of gotcha question f you. Her response was fu for asking her a question. That's kind of become the norm.

Libby Emmons (38:51)

Someone replied to that with the, like that video with, do you talk to your brother with that mouth?

Phil (38:58)

I love it. I, I assume she doesn't because. Well, I'm not gonna go there anyways. But, yeah, this is, this is kind of the norm for Democrats. They think that. It seems like they think that being edgy is going to win them votes because it wins them a popularity contest on the Internet. It. Sure, it, it does energize their base. And their base is like, yeah, you're sticking it to the man, but that doesn't win elections.

Unknown (39:23)

They've learned nothing. They're. They continue to pick these issues that are showing that they've. I mean, I thought 2024. What got me nervous was, okay, they're going to move away from the crazy stuff. They're going to come out, they're going to admit Harris was a horrible choice. They're going to move away from the woke stuff. They're going to get off the border. They're going to say, no, let's have a sensible border policy. Nope, just complete double down. They're in complete denial. And look, there's time to write the ship. There's time for them to pick a nominee or, you know, have some sort of new leader come up. Up. But it's just wild to me on some of these issues. I mean, even if you look at polling, you know, and I think, look, some of them are learning. I Mean, Gretchen Whitmer just did her little thing at the Trump event. She got it sort of.

Phil (40:03)

She hit her face, which was.

Unknown (40:04)

No, no, this was the new one, so. Oh, that was White House. She hit her face. And then she got the backlash and realized, hey, I can't just be edgy, right? I can't just keep being anti Trump. And enough people that are working class were like, what are you doing? You're at the White House. So then they had this public event and Trump, Trump brought her up and, and kind of said, hey, do you want to say a few words? And I think that eventually we might have to spoon feed them, but the Democrats are going to learn from their own voters that we have to have rational opinions and to just keep being radical. They should have learned from 24. It's not going to sell. I hope they don't. I hope they, you know, put AOC up there, put Bernie up there. But it's gonna. It's gonna backfire politically.

Libby Emmons (40:41)

Well, that's the plan that they have. Did you hear Kamala Harris the other night giving her speech at the Emerge?

Phil (40:46)

No one heard Kamala Harris give that speech. Libby, you and 17 other Americans.

Libby Emmons (40:50)

I watched it. I watched it because I cover the news. But she announced exactly who she thinks are the leaders of the party, and she praised them. Cory Booker, Chris Van Hollen, Chris Murphy, Jasmine Crockett, Maxwell Frost, AOC and Bernie Sanders. These are the people that she mentioned who are like the pinnacles of the Democratic Party right now. And all of these people, I mean, AOC definitely has some political talent, but Jasmine Crockett has no ideas. Maxwell Frost's an idiot. Chris Van Hollen went to El Salvador and he, you know, to talk to this Ms. 13 guy, and he never talked to his own constituents, whose family, you know, who. Rachel Moran, I think, murdered by illegal immigrants. He didn't reach out to her mom, Cory Booker. The last thing I remember about him was he gave that speech. And before that, I remember he pulled somebody out of a fire in Newark and like, that's it. Like, these are. These are your top talent.

Unknown (41:43)

Do any of them.

Libby Emmons (41:44)

And Bernie Sanders is what, 80 million years old right now? Yes.

Unknown (41:47)

Do any of them have one single issue that is something that they feel like here's a solution or here is a bold plan for the future? I just, I don't feel like they have anything they bring to the table except Orange man bad.

Libby Emmons (41:59)

Yeah, that's pretty much what they have. And now they're saying, you know, that America, the America we're living in now is Trump's horrible vision. Well, we've got jobs up, you know, we've got the border finally under control, which is, of course why we had to bring Trump back again in the first place. He fixed the border. They destroyed it again. He had to come back to fix it.

Phil (42:19)

Do you think that. Go ahead.

Courtney Nil (42:20)

Well, Cliff, back to what something you said about rationality. I think that a story like this changes the narrative quite a bit for a lot of people. These people more in the middle, maybe not your radical leftists, but this is something that happens a lot as someone who worked in victim advocacy for a prosecuting attorney's office where there's these domestic situations that happen and, you know, the wives of these people, girlfriends, you know, boyfriends, whatever it is, it happens quite a bit where they cannot. They struggle because these victims want to come forward, they want to tell the courts what's going on, but then they're worried that the person that they care about will then be deported. And so they go back and forth, they retract, and it's this ongoing issue. But I think for a lot of Americans, when they see, okay, this really is a bad dude, I think that they're not going to be so much on the Democrat side of things.

Phil (43:17)

I like, like I said, I like the fact that they're taking these positions because they're extremely unpopular positions to take. And so I do think that if they do continue to stick to their guns and have these, you know, exhort these positions, then you're going to see, you know, a lot of failure at, at the ballot box next year or in, in two years. And I. That's great. Like, that's what I'm hoping for because I think the Democrat policies have been terrible for the U. S, But I do get the scent. I do have a feeling that they're going to figure it out. I, I can't imagine that there aren't, that there aren't people like Carville that are going to be like, look, you have to stop. Even if he's come out and he said, oh, you know, David Hogg is a fighter. I know that he did. He kind of bent the knee there, which is, in my opinion, a terrible idea. You get behind the scenes, he's like, you can't expect to win with this. These are all, these are all 80, 20, 85, 15 kind of issues.

Unknown (44:18)

And the more Trump can keep them off talking economics, right? Whether it's good or bad, that's what the election is going to come down to. If I'm the Democrats right now, the biggest missed opportunity is nobody is out there with some sort of economic plan that they're saying, this is how we're going to bring costs down. This is how we're going to control the inflation. And that's got to be their pivotal issue in 26, 2026. If they pick anything else, you know, those issues, they're not with the American people on. But once again, I know they'll say, oh, some random Democrat congressman has a plan out there to, you know, do X, Y and Z financially. But that's the missing piece. If I'm in the Democrat strategy room, it's like, look, let's at least put something out. So if things do downturn, if things are not going great economically or people are struggling with the cost of food, we at least have an alternative. They're just playing Trump's game. They're focused on all the wrong issues. I don't want to give them too much advice, but that's the missing piece. You do that, then you at least have that, that trump card to play when it's time in 2026. But right now you're screaming about every issue except the cost of goods.

Phil (45:22)

Yeah, I, I don't, I, I don't see how they, they are going to write this ship when they're continuing to, to bring to light or focus on the, the most radical people in their, in their base. But we're going to go to this story here, which is a bit, it's kind of a similar issue because it's got the MS.13 bent today. Breaking from Bill Melian, Bill Milligan. Three Virginia Department of Corrections officers were stabbed in a state prison today in what the state says was a premeditated attack involving 5 Ms. 13 gang members, all of whom are SOL Salvadoran illegal aliens who've been convicted of violent crimes such as murder and rape. So the statement says. Richmond, the Virginia Department of Corrections is currently investigating the apparently premeditated stabbing of three corrections officers at the Wallens Ridge State Prison. The attack occurred at approximately 9:45am on Friday, May 2nd. Five of the six inmates involved in the attack are confirmed Ms. Thirteen gang members from El Salvador who were in this country illegally. Each have been convicted of violent crimes, including aggravated murder, first and second degree murder and rape. The other inmate involved in the attack is a confirmed member of the Serrano 13 gang and from the United States serving a sentence for second degree murder. Send them all to Gitmo.

Libby Emmons (46:44)

Yes. Well, or, or Seacoat in El Salvador. Like, why Not.

Phil (46:49)

Yeah, I mean, they're illegal aliens, so you can send them to Seiko, too. I. Again, it's bad that there are all these criminals that we are, that we have that are illegal immigrants. Just send them out.

Ian Crossland (47:02)

Hold on.

Phil (47:03)

There should. They should all get sent right out.

Ian Crossland (47:05)

What about. I'm, I'm not advocating for capital punishment, but if they were attacked and killed, did they kill guards? Because I don't think we. If they did a horrible enough thing, you don't send them anywhere.

Phil (47:14)

You said that. Well, they. They're. They committed the attack. They stabbed them. So I don't know that they.

Unknown (47:19)

Yeah, but they're convicted of murder, Second degree murder and rape.

Phil (47:22)

Rape. Yeah.

Unknown (47:23)

I mean, so before this incident, you.

Libby Emmons (47:24)

Know, they were already bad guys.

Ian Crossland (47:26)

My first thought is, what the hell are illegal, violent, illegal immigrants doing in American prisons still?

Phil (47:32)

Well, if they've committed a crime in the U.S. the U.S. will imprison them.

Ian Crossland (47:35)

And hold them instead of send them overseas. You keep them.

Libby Emmons (47:38)

We only just got that deal with, with El Salvador, and we're paying them, I think, $6 million a year to take people from our prisons.

Unknown (47:46)

And a counter argument for years, I mean, I mean, honestly from the right and the left was, if somebody does something horrible here, let's imprison them here once they're convicted. Because if we send them back, you know, how confident are we they're going to imprison them there, you know, and then they come back.

Phil (47:59)

And historically, that has been the case. They'll just get to whatever country they were from, and that country will be like, well, you can't stay here, so you got to get out of here. So what they do is they make their way back to the border and come back to the US Illegally. I don't have a problem keeping them in. In. In Gitmo. I don't have a problem sending them to. To El Salvador. But again, this just illustrates the point that we have a problem with criminal gangs in the US that are. That are illegally here, that are illegal immigrants, and we need to do something about that. And we can't allow one political party to put the brakes on that when the. The whole of the American people are against keeping these people here.

Ian Crossland (48:43)

I think if that was Al Qaeda, there are five members of Al Qaeda that we had had in prison, and they stabbed an American guard. I think there would be a lot more anger from people across the spectrum because Al Qaeda has been accepted as a terrorist organization generally. And it's still like, I think people are resistant because it's Trump, that's the One that said Ms. 13 is a terrorist organization. People are like, ah, anything you say, Trump, is, is. I don't agree with you.

Phil (49:06)

But, but I think you're right.

Ian Crossland (49:07)

You know, knowing a known Al Qaeda terrorists in prison attack a guard. Oh, I don't think they're seeing the light of day. Like, that's. You don't. If they're already Al Qaeda terror. And I'm not saying it was righteous to call these people terrorists. I'm not saying that maybe they were, maybe they weren't. George Bush was a funny guy, but, well, Al Qaeda. Yeah.

Phil (49:24)

No, it's right to call them terrorists.

Libby Emmons (49:25)

Yeah, I'm completely, that's, that's the, yeah.

Ian Crossland (49:28)

ISIS was the next one. I was like, I just heard ISIS on the news. I'm like, oh, now the next terrorist organization's in the books now. It's called ISIS, this one.

Phil (49:34)

Anyway, they're, they're terrorists too.

Ian Crossland (49:36)

I think Ms. 13, this is definitely an example that these guys are. And five guys don't speak for the entire Ms. 13, but they're definitely not giving it a good name.

Libby Emmons (49:45)

And if, well, it's a, it's a criminal gang. It's like an international criminal gang. They do drugs and smuggling and human trafficking.

Phil (49:53)

Human trafficking. I mean, I'm, I'm, you know, the, the drug stuff. You're going to have a lot of libertarians be like, well, you know, if you just let people do the drugs they want to do, you wouldn't have this problem.

Libby Emmons (50:04)

And you know, the united, the United States Institutes for Peace were arguing that the Taliban should not be cracking down on opium producers because it was bad for Afghans worldwide.

Phil (50:16)

I can't believe that idiocy.

Libby Emmons (50:19)

We were paying for that.

Phil (50:20)

It's dumb. But the point that I'm making is like, even if the libertarians go and make the stupid, the argument that, oh, well, you know, you can't do that because they're just selling drugs and it's fine. Like, they're still human traffickers. And that's actually, you know, that's, they're, that's, that's facilitating the rape of minors, like, of little kids. Little kids. You're not talking about, you know, adult women that are like, well, maybe if I go into the sex working industry, things will be fine. No, you're talking about the rape of children. So, so libertarian in America, libertarians need to stop with their argument of, well, you know, they're just, if we stop taking the drugs, it's our fault. Blame America it's not. It's them trafficking children. That's. That's the big, horrible thing that's happening.

Courtney Nil (51:09)

And the thing is, we wouldn't be having any of these problems if the border hadn't have been open for so long where so many illegal immigrants were pouring through and we had no checks to see who. Who it was that was showing up, up where they want it for, you know, rape and murder in the country they're coming from. Hey, we really should probably not let them in the US that's the whole reason why there's an immigration process you're supposed to go through or even to apply for a visa is because we want to vet these people before they come into our country. And then they end up running amok and causing all these problems. If we didn't have all the people, all these really bad people pouring in, it would be much less of a.

Ian Crossland (51:48)

Problem I was thinking about because they called an invasion, and they literally. That Biden administration literally didn't defend our country. They let people, foreign people.

Phil (51:56)

He was complicit. That's.

Ian Crossland (51:58)

That's another level.

Phil (51:59)

At the very least, surge the border.

Ian Crossland (52:01)

Defend the. Yeah, he did. He told him to surge in his campaign, in his 2020 campaign. Defend the country. That's your job as the American government, as the military is. Defend the country. If the people are coming in illegally, defend the country. And.

Libby Emmons (52:15)

And there was this crazy thing, too, where Texas tried to put up a border wall, and the Biden administration took them to court, and the court said, hey, Texas, you're not allowed to put up a border wall. And now you have all of these judges who are saying, you're not allowed. Okay, so you're not allowed to defend the country. We already have discovered that. And you had multiple states taking the Biden administration to court, saying, you're destroying the border, you're creating this crisis. And judges were like, meh, whatever. But now that the Trump administration is trying to get rid of criminals who don't belong here, who have orders of deportation already, who've committed crimes in America, the judges are saying, no, they have to stay here. Like, what is up with this judiciary who for the past four years refused to enforce the law, refused to hold the administration accountable to the laws that Congress set out, and now is preventing the. Now is preventing the government from deporting people. Why is that happening? What kind of judiciary is this? Why are they doing this?

Ian Crossland (53:16)

Andrew Jackson's got a quote about the. Who was it? The courts? He said, they made their decision. Now let them Enforce it.

Phil (53:22)

Yeah, the.

Libby Emmons (53:23)

Well, that's. That's the whole thing, right? I mean, if people don't. And this is something that the Chief justice said a couple of weeks ago. If people don't have respect for the court's orders, then. And we don't really have a third branch of government, the Supreme Court. It's fascinating. They can make a decision, but they can't do anything about it. It's all entirely dependent on if we respect their decisions. And the judiciary is getting to a point where a lot of their decisions are hard to respect. Like the one recently where you had the ACLU bring a case. They said the Trump administration was gonna deport, I think 50 Venezuelans from Anson, Texas, from a facility in Texas. And the ACLU brought the case, and they brought the case in the Northern District of Texas, and they said, hey, you know, you have to put a stop to this. Ah, it's gonna happen right now. Simultaneously, they brought the case to the Fifth Circuit in Louisiana, and they brought the case to the Supreme Court all at once. So the ACLU didn't give the lower courts time to make a decision. Right. The Northern District Court of Texas was like, hang on, we'll get to it. You know, the fifth Circuit said something as well. And then the Supreme Court jumped in, completely bypassing the lower courts. Now, the Supreme Court is an appellate court. Like, that's. You don't get to the Supreme Court without appealing and appealing and appealing. It's an appellate court. The Supreme Court jumped in and said, hey, Trump administration, you can't deport any of these people without a further order from this court, which makes no sense, because that case was. That case is a Texas case. And what the ACLU did in that case was they said, you know, they wanted protection for them, this specific class of people. They want to turn anybody who is potentially subject to deportation into one class nationwide so that they can bring one suit. And because otherwise, per the Supreme Court rulings previously this year, you have to bring suit in the district where the people are being held, which means the ACLU has to run around to, like, hundreds of different districts to prevent this stuff. And they want to just do one thing nationally. But it's so fascinating to me that these courts just let all this happen. All these judges were like, no, you can't. The Biden administration doesn't have to do that. They don't have to protect the border, and neither can you states. You can't protect the border. And now they're not letting. Now they're not Letting the enforcement arm clean this all up. It makes no sense to me.

Ian Crossland (55:51)

I think that the only sense I can make of it is that it's an emotional reaction or it's being incited by an emotional reaction to Trump's willingness to use intimidation instead of persuasion. And people are afraid, literally afraid of.

Libby Emmons (56:01)

The, well, part of it was a California, I'm sorry, just one thing, that there was a California judge, Edward Chen, who was objecting to the deportation of Venezuelans in part because he thought that DHS was using negative stereotypes about the Venezuelans. And you had a judge in, I forget her last name, but a judge in Boston who was saying that you can't eliminate the temporary protected status for a whole bunch of people because a lot of these people, in part, because a lot of these people send remittances home and their families in their home countries depend on their income in the U.S. so you can't, you know, so the U.S. can't restrict, can't change their status, their semi legal status. And, and so that is, those are both emotional reactions.

Phil (56:42)

I understand your, your, your perspective, Ian, but that doesn't, that doesn't really address why they were behaving the way they did under the Biden administration.

Ian Crossland (56:53)

That's a good point, man.

Phil (56:54)

You know, like if they're like, well, you know, we don't want to send these people back because it's mean, you know, they, that doesn't address the fact that they weren't allowing people to prevent them from getting, they weren't allowing states from allowing them to get, getting in. And they had no, no, no inclination to, to force the Biden administration or even make rulings about the Biden administration actually not enforcing the law because the, I mean, that's the job of the executive.

Unknown (57:20)

Yeah, but the point you made earlier where you said, listen, they're here illegally, we don't have to debate all the other things. The crazy thing is that Democrats are talking now about Ms. 13. Ms. 13, I mean the ads are going to write themselves. These guys, they're Los Angeles chapter, documented. You do have to commit a murder to get in. That is documented. It's public. Ms. 13. Everybody does us, they have to do a murder. The craziest thing I've saw about Ms. 13, a majority of the hit jobs that they put out, the killings from them are done by minors. A majority of them. Nobody talks about this. But when, when the Democrats are going to go in and defend Ms. 13, I'm telling you, it's going to become a huge talking point. You heard it here first. A majority of the killings that they do as a gang are people under the age of 18. If you don't think those people are bad people that, that no one is going to defend. They are sub human people. I just think it's, it's very clear that we're not just talking about people that came here illegally. These are bad dudes.

Libby Emmons (58:18)

Terrible. Do they do that because minors can't be. Minors have different set of rules.

Phil (58:23)

Yeah, they, they're, because they, they're protected from being treated as an adult and they try to get them before they're, you know, 17, where they, it's kind of of a gray area. You know, they get them with. They can get it. If they can get them when they're like 14 or 15, when they're clearly a child, and, and have them commit their first murder, then, you know, that's.

Courtney Nil (58:43)

Yeah. And I can't believe that this is happening in the United States and we're just allowing this in other countries. If you're like a bad person and you go commit crimes in these countries, first off, they might not let you in to begin with, but then if you do bad stuff, you're going to go to jail forever. And you don't have people, you know, that are like all the poor Ms. 13 gang members. We need to, we need to be there for them people.

Phil (59:08)

It does. It is, you know, and we've said this on the show a bunch of times, but it is really remarkable that they're going to use the, the perspective of, oh, the poor Ms. 13 gang members. You can say, oh, this is not. They didn't get due process or whatever. But to really sit there and be like, oh, we're going to defend the gang members. You know, it's, it's something that the Democrats can't help but do is they're.

Unknown (59:31)

Defending bad people, defending inmates for transgender surgery being paid by taxpayers. I mean, I'm not saying that transgender folks that are convicted of much Lesser crimes are Ms. 13, but, man, you pick some funny people to go to bat for.

Libby Emmons (59:45)

Well, yeah, there was a. Did you guys talk about on the show? I probably missed it and you probably did, but the, the guy who is accused of firebombing a Tesla dealership in Kansas City, a judge released him in part because he has adhd, is depressed and needed access. His gender affirming treatment. He was, he, he allegedly committed the act in March. He started the gender treatment in March.

Courtney Nil (60:12)

Do you think he was, he was on hormones and the gender firming a care care could have had to have done with what he actually decided to do.

Libby Emmons (60:19)

Maybe. I mean, estrogen does really weird things to the brain. So I don't know.

Phil (60:24)

You said it, not me.

Libby Emmons (60:25)

I sure did say it. It's the truth.

Phil (60:28)

We're going to jump to this story now. Three House Democrats asked to be removed from the Trump impeachment resolution. We were talking about how crazy Democrats are, but this might actually be indicating that they're trying to get their s together. From the Hill, a trio of House Democrats asked to be removed as co sponsors of a resolution to impeach President Trump. Trump a sign that many in the party do not want to go down that down the path of trying to remove the president from office, at least at the current moment. Reps. Quicy Mfumi from Maryland. Robin Kelly and Jerry.

Libby Emmons (61:05)

With confidence.

Phil (61:06)

What?

Libby Emmons (61:07)

Just say it. With confidence.

Phil (61:09)

Robin Kelly and Jerry Nadler had signed on as co sponsors of Rep. Cherie Than Deer's impeachment resolution, which includes seven articles of impeachment. But Tuesday afternoon they went to the House floor and asked for their names to be taken off the legislation. The House clerk granted their requests. Spokespeople from Kelly and Mifumi said the lawmakers initially signed on to the effort because they assumed it had been reviewed by leadership. When they learned it was not, they asked for their names to be removed. Congressman Mufumi removed his name as a co sponsor from House Resolution 353 because he was made aware it was not cleared by Democratic leadership and not fully vetted legal legally, and he preferred to err on the side of caution. The spokesperson from Afumi said the congresswoman was under the impression that the resolution was drafted and reviewed by both the House Judiciary Committee and leadership when she originally signed on. During a vote series on the floor. Kelly spokesman said Nadler's office did not respond to several requests for comment. Do you guys buy that, that those are the reasons that they want their names off? Or do you think that this is just politically a bad move at this time? Because I think we're all in agreement that should the Democrats take the House in the midterms, there will be articles of impeachment filed again.

Libby Emmons (62:24)

John Ossoff and Chuck Schumer already basically said that they would do that, you know. Yeah, I think. I think part of what happened here is that the congressman who brought the impeachment, he turned out to look a little bit crazy. And I think maybe they looked a little bit crazy.

Unknown (62:40)

Looked a little bit crazy. The guy $730,000 in debt in his campaign. Campaign.

Libby Emmons (62:45)

And he left a bunch of beagles to die in a lab in New Jersey when his business went bankrupt.

Unknown (62:50)

Yeah, they're not sending their best. I will tell you that. I think it is authentic that they got on it and then got off. I don't think they purposely said, hey, I'm going to get on this resolution and now I'm going to get off it. I think the reason is once again, I'm not saying that the Democrats have had a full awakening, but I think they probably saw the backlash. They saw the backlash to just being super anti Trump and enough of their normal Democrats in their district probably like, are you serious? Here we go again with this whole impeachment thing. Let's just go after them on the issues. Let's just go after them on this. Let's just beat them in the 2026 election. So I could be wrong. They, you know, they could have had this plan and now they're going to be seen as moderates. But Jerry Nadler, his district's a D + 100. I mean he doesn't need to get moderate voters. So I think there's probably some.

Libby Emmons (63:36)

Have you ever looked at his district? The map? Map? No, it's okay. So it goes down the, down the Upper west side of Manhattan and like down for a bit and then it cuts across into Brooklyn. It covers like Men.

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Unknown (65:14)

Right.

Libby Emmons (65:14)

Bay Ridge has Nicole Malietakis. And so it's just this teeny sliver just, just so he can get to the rest of the Democrats.

Unknown (65:20)

Democrats are so good at craven, they're so good at districting. And Republicans like, well, we don't want to be seen as racist, so we have to make fair maps. It's like, look at their maps.

Phil (65:30)

I hate the Republicans for not having the balls to be as good as the Democrats are at that. And I hate the Democrats for even doing that. It should, they should be, they should be simply like wards in a, in a city or, or, you know, just all of Manhattan is one district.

Unknown (65:48)

There's going to become a battle. Let me bring up New Hampshire. Get you excited, Phil. There's gonna be a battle in New Hampshire where right now the legislature is working through new maps to present to Kelly Ayott, the governor. And I think it's going to become a very big national movement because they could realistically, legally, and I would argue correctly, adjust the maps to make one of those seats a competitive Republican seat. And so I think, I mean there's a whole, there's a district right there that could move, but it's going to take a lot of pressure from folks out there. Call your people in New Hampshire. But that's going to be one of the only seats that because of maps could move.

Phil (66:26)

That would be, that would be stellar. But I mean I, I, I think that the, the rest of the country should follow suit. But the idea that, you know, a two block stretch connects two significantly, it's crazy. Yeah, it's significantly different pieces of, of, of New York. That's, that's, it's just, it's insane. So, But I do want to point out, a friend of mine sent me a text and asked when did Chris Kattan become a politician talking about this? Oh yeah, he's tan theory guy.

Ian Crossland (67:01)

You know, it does kind of look like Chris Kattan.

Phil (67:03)

I thought, that's funny.

Ian Crossland (67:06)

I wrote this guy off as a loony because he was smiling a lot when he was talking and I, and then I gave him a chance on Piers Morgan. I listened for a short period of time. Okay. He's just, he's probably a normal guy. I Think Tim had a great combo with him on Piers Morgan. I didn't. I haven't seen the whole article yet. But what I really want to know is, is there anything to these. Are these impeachments legit? Are these seven counts? Any of them. Is there anything about any of it that's legit?

Phil (67:26)

When he was, if you listen to the, the discussion that Tim had with him, it was all just, well, I don't like Donald Trump, and we don't like what he's done. And this is unpopular, and that's unpopular, and that's as partisan as it gets. So to say that this is, you know, something that is rises to the level of impeachment is absolutely ridiculous. I think that this is just a, like, I think it's just a stunt. The Democrats don't have leadership, and so this guy's trying to plant his flag.

Ian Crossland (67:55)

Because it's almost like that's too stupid to be real. But I think, you know, be right. You didn't run it by leadership. I didn't know that till just.

Unknown (68:02)

Well, and it's, it's so stupid because I think at a certain point, look, you can always introduce articles of impeachment again, you know, if you have the majority, which they don't even have, but if you have it and you want to go through the process, but your voters have to want that. Your voters, the American people, not just your, your actual voters, but all these swing districts are going to be impacted by that. And if it becomes this petty battle against Trump. And I just think with all of these, I mean, the guy was shot in the face, the guy was impeached. They tried to convict them of all these crazy things. Once again, Democrats have not learned. And I think that's why these three are pulling their names. Because I think as much as Schumer and them are kind of flirting with it, that I think politically behind the scenes, their strategists, if they have just an ounce of any type of strategy left, I don't think there's an appetite for this even amongst Democrats.

Libby Emmons (68:53)

No, I don't think so either. And when you look at it, too, you keep seeing Democrat leadership, like, start saying about how they need to take, you know, Democrats need to take to the streets and start protesting and all of that stuff. And we're not. Not seeing as much of that as you might have thought that we would. You know, there's a lot less energy for rioting and protests and screaming your bloody head off. Retired boomers among normal people. And it's Just the retired boomers who are out there doing their weird hippie dances and complaining about how nobody else is joining them. Meanwhile, they're like, oh, you know, like, I'm having so much trouble affording my summer house and my normal home. What am I gonna do? You know? These are the same people are not sharing. This is the group that is most adverse to leaving their wealth behind. They're still traveling around the world trying to find themselves. The rest of us are like, really? We figured out in our 20s that we probably just need to pay our bills.

Courtney Nil (69:52)

Well, with these particular articles of impeachment as well, for instance, the creation of an unlawful office in terms of DOGE is kind of insanity because DOGE was not going around and making these changes. I think the media painted that very differently than what it actually was, because DOGE was just looking in. They just were going through the books of these different agencies and seeing, well, what's really here. And then they were making recommendations, and then the agencies would do with that what they will.

Phil (70:23)

Not only that, the DOGE is actually the continuation of US Digital Services. Yeah.

Ian Crossland (70:31)

And then it was Obama started in 2014, and then Trump renamed it. They got into office day after. To us, it's still USDs us DOGE offices now. It's the same. It's the same office. So it was created by executive order. Legally, it's legal to change the name of it. It was legally created.

Libby Emmons (70:47)

Yeah.

Phil (70:48)

So it's not even a. So that the articles of impeachment are actually wrong because it was created. It wasn't created by Donald Trump. It was created by Barack Obama.

Courtney Nil (70:59)

But it has Elon's name attached to it. So we have to hate it.

Phil (71:02)

Well, yeah, I mean, that's really what it is. It's all about the people that are involved, not about whether or not there's a necessity for it, which clearly there is. You know, there very few people think, oh, no, every dollar that the government spends is. Is. Is used very wisely, right down to the penny. There. There's no waste, there's no fraud, blah, blah, blah. No one thinks that, like, there's not an American out there that would say, no, I think that they really spend our money wisely.

Ian Crossland (71:30)

Yeah. Even the people protesting, and I only use my parents as examples because they went out and protested. They were reliving the six late 60s, 1969, and just recently they did. Yeah, like a month ago. And I was like, what are you guys protesting? And they were like, well, Trump. And I'm like, well, what are you protesting for. And they were like, I don't know. I got to go. Ian. My dad. I was like, I got. I got to go. We'll talk about it later. And I'm like. Because there's nothing. It's. It's. They don't. I think they're afraid they're going to lose their retirement funds because of the kooky ladoo going on in the government right now. And, I mean, that's an inevitable. We're hitting an inevitable wall anyway at 36 trillion in debt. So they're out there trying to stop that all from happening. But unless you create, like you were saying earlier, Cliff, a better plan to make gas cheaper, Unless you present that the protests don't have any emphasis. I mean, the Vietnam protests were like, end the Vietnam War. So they were anti lbj, Stop the war. I don't know if they actually had something to create.

Phil (72:27)

I'm gonna jump in real quick. They weren't so much anti Vietnam War because they were anti war. They were anti Vietnam War because they were on the side of the communists.

Libby Emmons (72:35)

But also because that was the first war that. Where we actually saw war televised. I mean, you had journalists agreed it was real. Yeah. You had journalists, like, that was out in the, you know, jungle or whatever, actually filming what was going on. This is what was being broadcast to people in the evening. So I think part of it was. When you look at that kind of carn carnage, that's really hard to stomach. I mean, if. If. If the Dresden firebombing had been televised live to people's homes, people would have had a much different idea of what was going on in Dresden as well. I mean, seeing children, like, set on fire because the air was on fire, like, that's gonna be rough, right? That's hard to stomach. But I don't think it was just. Cause everyone was on the side of the communists. I think people were losing their sons and brothers. And I think the people that were.

Phil (73:19)

I think that. I'm talking about the people that were, like, out in the streets protesting.

Libby Emmons (73:21)

The, like, the dirty hippies.

Phil (73:23)

Yeah, the. The people that were. That were on college that were protesting. They were protesting not because they're against war as a concept. It's because they were on the side of. They were on the side of the country.

Libby Emmons (73:37)

I mean, I wonder. Like, I was. I protested war myself, like back in the old days of George W. Bush. Yeah.

Phil (73:43)

But there was a totally different.

Libby Emmons (73:44)

That was like. It was totally different kind of war. But, like, it was because I thought that the yellow cake thing was a lie. And that was probably, we should have no war. Like, there's no reason to go to war against Iraq.

Phil (73:53)

Yeah. It seemed dumb, but like I said, I think the context were very, very different.

Libby Emmons (73:57)

Sure.

Phil (73:57)

You know, the. They were actual communist. The Vietnamese. Vietnamese were actual communists. Vietnam was a communist country. They were. They were. North Vietnam was actually communists and they were. They were fighting actual communists in the US they were like. No, are the people that were. The earthy crunchies that were protesting? They were like.

Libby Emmons (74:14)

No, actually, I think there was. I think there was that. I think the, the piece that turned it, though was that there were so many people actually what was going on.

Phil (74:21)

Yeah, I agree that the, the, the effect of the news bringing that into people's homes was can't be denied.

Libby Emmons (74:28)

You see a guy, I just watched the Wonder Years.

Ian Crossland (74:30)

Oh, great show. Like, some of that Vietnam footage is phenomenal. And it's on YouTube. Like, they'll be. He'll be there with a platoon and then the guy gets shot and then he's like, they're banning up his leg and he's like in. Almost in shock, just talking to the platoon. And then they medac him out and like they're hanging out. It's just the jungle. Just like we go outside and sit down there and it could be like there, like it's that realistic and. And they're like 18 years old and you're watching.

Libby Emmons (74:53)

They're all kids. Yeah, yeah.

Phil (74:55)

And there. It wasn't a popular war overall. And the fact that the draft was part of it was another big thing. You know, the wars that we fought in the 21st century, whether regardless of your feeling about them, the people that went to war, they volunteered. There was no draft. Everybody that went there would show up.

Libby Emmons (75:13)

Or people would like, volunteer early. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Ian Crossland (75:17)

This stuff with Doge that people are protesting, if that's what they're protesting, it's so vague. A lot of it's been happening behind the scenes that it seems like people don't really know what they're.

Unknown (75:25)

Yeah, but let me, let me throw a warning out there. I mean, I thought the same thing. And then this Wisconsin Supreme Court race happened and you know, we lost by 10 there. And if you look at the entire messaging, so indivisible. The left wing group did a lot of work on the ground and we got a hold of their screen scripts and their entire script was simply, Elon Musk is a monster and the. The power of fear. Right. The power of just making Elon This. This horrible creature that, you know, whatever they're protesting for, it doesn't matter if they don't have a message, right? If you have a boogeyman. If you have. And Wisconsin proves it. I wish it didn't. Right. I wish that the Wisconsin race, you could see, hey, they were talking about. About, you know, certain issues the left cared about. This is it. No, it was. Elon Musk is the devil. And if you want to stop him, we have to elect this Democrat to the Supreme Court in Wisconsin. And they won by 10 points. Now, people can say Republicans were complacent, that we didn't have something that was motivating our side, but that worries me. The voters react that way, and their entire message was Elon bad. You can stop him by voting for the Democrats.

Ian Crossland (76:30)

Man, it's Canada. Look, sorry, Lindy, but this Canadian election, it's the ultimate example of Trump scaring people and then them voting against him.

Libby Emmons (76:38)

Or, you know, it was mostly boomers. It was mostly boomers that voted liberal. We ran a story on that the other day. Boomers were terrified of Trump, and everybody else just wanted to be able to have decent housing. But it was the boomers that gave this election in Canada to the Liberals.

Phil (76:53)

Why are the boomers so afraid of Donald Trump? I don't.

Libby Emmons (76:57)

Because they're his same age group. I feel like that has something to do with it. Like, he's their peer, and so they all watched him, like, be this, you know, dick playboy this whole time, and they hate his tone of voice. They, like, hate his tone. They hate his oeuvre. They hate his vibe. That's what they hate about him. And when, like, this always happens with my mom, and I'll be like, my mom's very lefty and everything, and she'll be like, you know, I hate Donald Trump, blah, blah, blah. And I'll be like, well, what about this idea? And she's like, that's not a bad idea. And I'm like, what about this? And she's like, no, that's a pretty good idea. And I'm like, so what do you hate about Trump? And she's like, well, I. I just hate everything about him. You know, it's like, they hate the man.

Courtney Nil (77:37)

There's no substance there.

Libby Emmons (77:38)

No substance. Yeah.

Phil (77:39)

Yeah. All right, so we're going to jump to this story from the Post Millennial. HHS recommends therapy, not sex change, to treat gender dysphoria. Thank God the Department of Health and Human Services has released its treatment for pediatric gender dysphoria. Review in which it recommends a greater emphasis on behavioral therapy when addressing gender dysphoria in minors over invasive and per medical procedures such as pharmaceuticals or surgery. This is the most obvious thing that I. That we have talked about, I think, ever on the show. The idea of using surgery on children when they're saying that they're experiencing gender dysphoria is insane. They go on. The 409 page review stated that medical and surgical interventions for children and adolescents with gender dysphoria are widely promoted as essential and even life saving. Yet the evidence base does not support strong conclusions about their effectiveness in improving mental health or reducing gender dysphoria. There is no such thing as trans children. What do you guys think about this?

Courtney Nil (78:46)

Well, I'm really glad to see them being. Being willing to put this out here because that's truly what's happening. Children cannot consent to make those changes about their bodies. They don't even know what they are yet or who they are. Adults are one thing. Children should not be having this happen to them. And in many cases, if you even recommend that they go to therapy and try to make sure that they're really sure that before they start getting on hormone blockers or anything like that, that's not even allowed. And then you're blocking them from getting their gender affirming a care.

Ian Crossland (79:22)

I used to play Wonder Woman Woman out in my backyard when I was like. It was like a couple weeks ago. No, I'm just kidding. This is like when I was like six and I'd be whipping around all the whips and like, I just pretended to be Wonder Woman. And then my parents were like, hey, come in and eat your spinach. I'm like, does Wonder Woman eat spinach? And they said, yes. So I went and ate the spinach. Phil. And then if they were crazy, they would have probably thought I was a woman. They could have easily been like, oh, my kid is actually a woman on the inside. I was just an actor. They. They enhanced my creativity. They were like, it's okay to pretend to be things.

Phil (79:52)

Throw that lasso of truth around your waist, and next thing you know, they're chopping your J, you know, and she.

Ian Crossland (79:56)

Kind of looked like my mom. So I was like, identifying with my mother.

Libby Emmons (79:59)

And did you have the Wonder Woman? The Wonder Woman Underoos? Did you?

Ian Crossland (80:02)

No, I had Superman and then my brother had a bat, I think, had a Batman one. No, they wouldn't buy.

Phil (80:08)

They wouldn't.

Ian Crossland (80:08)

They didn't encourage me to be like a girl just because I played A. I played a woman on stage multiple times too. What's that?

Libby Emmons (80:14)

I was just joking around.

Ian Crossland (80:15)

Were you, though?

Libby Emmons (80:16)

Yeah.

Ian Crossland (80:16)

Oh, okay.

Libby Emmons (80:17)

It's always a joke when you talk about Underoos.

Ian Crossland (80:19)

I was lucky to have same parents talking about trans people because I wasn't trans. And if my parents had been scared or made a crazy decision guided by the media or by their peers and. And they actually took me and. And started to be like, well, do you feel like a girl? Like, if they really sat me down and had. As I was six, I would have went along with it. I don't know. I would have. They're my parents. I would have trusted them.

Phil (80:42)

That question alone is insane.

Libby Emmons (80:45)

Do you feel like a girl?

Phil (80:46)

Do you? Yeah.

Ian Crossland (80:47)

Do you feel.

Libby Emmons (80:47)

I don't know.

Phil (80:48)

Yeah.

Libby Emmons (80:48)

Like, I have no idea what that feels like. Like.

Phil (80:50)

Like how is a man, male supposed to know if they feel like a female?

Unknown (80:58)

Especially a child.

Phil (80:59)

Yeah.

Ian Crossland (81:00)

Before puberty. Like, you don't. It's like you almost feel androgynous. I mean, they're definitely. There's the boy and the girl stuff.

Libby Emmons (81:06)

Going on, but that doesn't really kick in until later, though, that you have a new sense of, like, that the kinds of differences there are.

Phil (81:14)

I mean, like, so I. Like, when I was a little kid, I had a crush on my babysitter. Better. But that wasn't like a developed understanding of a. Of what I wanted a relate as a. From a relationship or whatever. It was like, oh, she's cute. You know, I was a kid. I didn't know.

Ian Crossland (81:29)

I would chase girls around on the playground and try and kiss them. Not really, but, like, playfully, because I would see it on tv. I was mimicking. I'm like, boys are supposed to like girls. So I played that role. And if I'd been around a bunch of people being like, you're supposed to be a girl, deep down, I would have been like, probably started playing that role. I don't know.

Courtney Nil (81:45)

Yeah, well. And particularly kids go through so many social pressures that they are looking for outlets. A lot of the girls that actually used to become get eating disorders and things like that. Instead they are choosing transgenderism. The book's been out for a few years. There's a very good book by Abigail Schreier. It's irreversible damage. The transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters came out in 2020. But it's a very good book and it talks about. About how these young girls, they have. It's popular among friend groups, where friend groups will get this Idea of like, hey, we want to reject this idea of femininity and instead we're going to become either non binary or trans and they're going to change their ideology. But it's popular with these groups as a social thing.

Phil (82:37)

Yeah.

Courtney Nil (82:37)

Which is just insanity.

Ian Crossland (82:38)

And it's so influential. My God, the five people you're even as an adult, your six closest friends basically really craft your identity. You would do it along with them. And as a kid, man, to have your. And if one of them is jockeying for is like more popular than you, it's like, ah, you have the way you look up to them.

Phil (82:54)

Yeah. I mean it's definitely a status symbol as well. You look at the, the people in Hollywood that are like, oh, I have three trans children. It's like, do you really believe that you have three trans children? Like it's super rare. But all three of yours are really. Who's the one responsible for that really?

Courtney Nil (83:13)

You know, gender dysphoria is a real thing, but there's no reason for now it to be exploding at these really crazy levels compared to what it's been in the past. It's just, it's a social thing that's happening.

Libby Emmons (83:27)

I'm not even sure the gender story is real. The other thing too that I think is interesting about what you're saying is that the rates of homosexuality has basically stayed steady and the rates of trans has like skyrocketed. It's sort of like why does homosexuality stay steady? It's true that some things change as we get older. But if you're a woman over 40.

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Unknown (85:04)

Pennsylvania's finest.

Libby Emmons (85:05)

Pennsylvania's finest. Who, you know, took his mom out of a nursing home ahead of sending all the COVID patients back to the nursing home.

Unknown (85:12)

Very consistent.

Libby Emmons (85:14)

Yeah. I mean, real ethical fella here. But this is a person who was consistently saying that it's important to affirm your kids, put your kids through sex changes, had, like, a big impact on the Biden administration. Joe Biden came out and told parents to affirm their kids. Absolutely nauseating. And now we have a man who knows he's a man in charge, and we're not getting this kind of crap. This was a promise that Trump made. We're gonna stop sex changing kids in the US and, you know, here we are delivering it.

Ian Crossland (85:42)

I'm gonna use my parents again. Oh, you gonna say something?

Courtney Nil (85:44)

Well, just adolescence as a whole is kids figuring out who they are and who they're going to be. That. That's essentially what. What you go through, you as that coming of age, and so you have all of, you know, this trans stuff that is going on. Look, as a. Like a middle schooler, I would have considered myself to be more of a tomboy. I'm like, oh, yeah, I like sports. I like soccer. I like. You know, I think guns are cool. I had a habit of collecting knives. I thought that those were fun and those were the more masculine hobbies. But if now girls that might just be tomboys and have some, you know, maybe traditionally masculine interest, we're telling them, oh, maybe you're not a girl. That maybe you're. You're not who you. We thought you were based on what genitalia you were born with here. Would you like to explore something else instead?

Ian Crossland (86:37)

I think that we're missing a Mr. Rogers person in reality right now. And it's tough to centralize power and give that guy a TV show, because who watches television? It's on.

Unknown (86:47)

A lot of.

Ian Crossland (86:47)

It's on the Internet. But, like, just someone telling you you're okay, who you are, are you, are you, and that's okay. And it feels weird sometimes that's okay, too.

Libby Emmons (86:56)

There was this wild thing. So Robert De Niro's son just came out as trans, Went from being Aaron to a a R o N to a I r y n. So the name's the same. It's just spelled different. But one of the things that he was saying when he was talking to Them magazine about coming out as trans was that as a child, he never heard that he was, was just right just the way he is. And so now he's finding that by. Fully. Now he's finding that totally. But there's this weird idea that you're just right just the way you are by undergoing drastic medical intervention. Like, that doesn't make any sense. It's like you were talking about with the.

Ian Crossland (87:35)

What I was gonna say. That's exactly the opposite of what they say. When I was a kid in the 90s, they were always saying, you can be anything you want. You're okay for who you are. And then at a certain point that changed to you're not. They would tell people you're not being represented for who you really are. Trust me, I know who you really are. And people that are unfortunately vulnerable to that will fall for that. They'll immediately think, oh, well, these feelings that I feel like the, the unsurity of puberty. The, the weird feelings. You feel like the weird feelings you haven't felt your whole life up until that point. It gets manipulated. And that's what they love to do. Like, Phil, we always talk about how they skin suit stuff. You know, they take the argument and they make it this thing against like the oppressor, which is like your feelings and your emotions and like everything stressful. Like if doordash is like the biggest stress you have in your life every day, like this can be like, fundamentally it can be devastating for these people. But we don't, we don't see it like that because we've all lived harder lives.

Phil (88:22)

They do though.

Ian Crossland (88:23)

That's like the biggest thing for them. And it's, it's, it's scary.

Phil (88:25)

It's the goal. The goal does seem to make people think that the, the, the reality that they live in is actually the oppressor.

Ian Crossland (88:33)

Yes, exactly.

Phil (88:34)

You know exactly what I'm saying. So that way. And you can, you can, your body is your oppressor. Yeah. You can escape this oppression by taking control over your body and, and exp. You know, by, by coming out as a trans person, which is your true self. And that gives you some control over this oppression that you're experiencing by just existing. Because. And you hear him say things like, I didn't ask to be born. That's, that's one of the things that, you know, kids say it, but also that's something that the leftists have really globbed onto. They're like, well, you didn't ask for this. I didn't ask to be born. So I should be able to do this, this and this to so I can break free of the oppression of this reality.

Unknown (89:14)

The number of the crazy liberals that have multiple kids that are non binary or trans, like there's just no way that there isn't some sort of input and influence in the household all over Hollywood. Yeah, because they want to be a victim. Right. They don't want to be victors. It gives. Like you said, they want to stand up to the oppressor. They want to be somebody that gets to say I'm different. You know, I'm standing up to the man. And I gotta tell you, this issue, okay. When I as a diehard Ron Paul libertarian, this was one of those issues that really got me to realize, you know what, I am gonna go all in on Trump and Team Red. Right. I get the debt, I get a lot of the things that happened under Trump. 16 Obviously I was not supportive of Biden. But when they are chopping off kids private parts, when they are trying to tell these people that they should identify as something completely different, I mean that's the time when you wake up and say, hey listen, maybe it's time to fight against some of this radical stuff. This issue though when I came out and supported Trump. Yeah. Did I lose a couple friends and where people just rabid against Trump Short, when I come out on certain issues and people on the other side. Yeah, I lose a couple friends. I have lost lifelong relationships over this issue issue. Just because I come out and say that telling a nine year old girl or a nine year old boy that they are not the gender that they were assigned at birth, that that's looney tunes. That's crazy. And there are, it's not a lot, but there are some people that really I was baffled by that I've lost relationships because they are just so bought into this idea that they get to choose and you're oppressing them.

Phil (90:54)

I, I reject the concept of gender at all nowadays. I, I don't think that it's because what is it? It's your gender, it's your sex spirit.

Courtney Nil (91:02)

Well, and even from a science perspective here, if just cut all the social part of it out. People that go through these sex change surgeries, there's a lot of sexual dysfunction there. It causes sexual dysfunction where they no longer have access to their reproductive system that they were born with.

Ian Crossland (91:24)

With.

Courtney Nil (91:25)

That's a huge thing. We see a lot of the Adults that have transitioned and gone through that whole process that they're unhappy with the end result. And we're seeing more and more people push back against that. Maybe they're deciding to detransition, but they caused a problem to their body. They're having issues with their body now, health problems. And so just from that aspect alone, I think we need to pump the brakes a little bit and be like, whoa, like, these kids want to make these changes. Well, do they know what they're signing up for in terms of their health?

Phil (91:56)

They can't.

Libby Emmons (91:56)

No, they can't. There was also this thing that I think people forget about, which is Marsha Bowman, who's trans, who was a trans doctor heading wpath, which is the world Professional association for Transgender Health, did a bunch. Has done, like, a bunch of trans sex change surgeries and has done sex change surgeries on minors, including working on Jazz Jennings, and told Jazz Jennings, like, you're going to be so pretty you could do porn. Right? So that's a great doctor to have.

Phil (92:24)

That's a great aspiration.

Libby Emmons (92:26)

But Bowman said in a.

Phil (92:29)

As if everybody that does porn is pretty. Come on.

Libby Emmons (92:33)

But Bowman said in a talk, I think, at Duke that none of the patients he'd had who had. And I'm using wrong pronouns, I guess, but none of the patients that he'd had who had gone on puberty, boys who had gone on puberty blockers and then got onto cross sex hormones, none of them were ever capable of having an orgasm once they were adults. So none of them were ever capable of having, like, a fulfilling sexual relationship. And the idea. The reason that they put. And this is per wpath, also, the reason to have minors go on these drugs is so that they are better able to pass once they're adults. So the idea is once you're an adult, you will look more like that thing you wished you were when you were a child. That's the whole point of doing it young. You completely destroy sexual function, which means you're destroying adult relationships. Like, how are you going to have a fulfilling adult relationship, romantic relationship, if you can't ever, like, achieve orgasm? Jazz Jennings doesn't know what an orgasm is.

Ian Crossland (93:42)

I think that the two parts, the grand manipulation, is calling it care, gender affirming, care. Those words, affirming and care. Because I've had this conversation with a couple of boomers, my parents, and my mom's like, straight up common sense. And my father's like, they need care, Ian. They need care. And it's like, I agree now you have to define what that means. Cutting their testicles off, cutting a 9 year old's testicles off, cutting a 15 year old's testicles off, cutting her boobs off. Is that care? If they were elbowing their kid in the face, would that be care that could cause them a little bit of physical trauma? If the kid was asking for it, would that be care?

Unknown (94:16)

Don't deny them their identity.

Ian Crossland (94:17)

We go in there and seize the kid from the psycho abusive father. So that, that knowing that that the affirming and care, because he's like a paramedic by trade, he's a fireman. Love just, there's not much greater than the hero of saving the vulnerable. And these people feel like that's what they're doing, doing, but that now to tack it off is that people that have gone through this horror are now adults and they're speaking about it and there's enough of them that they're a political force. So I have a lot of faith that you can see the HHS has already made a move on it.

Phil (94:47)

Well, I mean this, this administration's been good, but there's no guarantee that if the Democrats win again, they're, you know, the next administration or the next Democrat administration won't undo all this stuff and then have another insane man at H8 that dresses like a woman at running HHS saying things like, oh, you need to affirm your child's gender and have mutilating surgery performed on them.

Unknown (95:14)

Yeah.

Courtney Nil (95:14)

And even with this, this gender firming, affirming care because sometimes they'll go the route of puberty blockers. You're like, well, you think you're confused. Let's just hold off puberty. If you osteoporosis, if you hold off puberty, there's huge health effects that come along with. You can't just block a child's puberty and be like, oh well, let's let it go a few years and then at 16, 18, whatever, then we'll, you know, let their body do what it's going to do then. No, it leaves them with permanent changes. So you deciding to put your kids on puberty blockers is going to affect them for the rest of their life. And parents need to be aware of that and not just hear terms like gender affirming care. Like, we want our kids that are struggling to feel loved. We want them to feel like they have a place in this world, that they matter, that, you know, suicide isn't an option. Like these are all things that we want for these Kids. But making decisions very quickly about, oh, we're going to do something that's going to affect your body for the rest of your life is so drastic.

Phil (96:12)

There's no such thing as gender. It's your sex. Can't change it. Get over it. We're gonna go to super chats and rumble rants. We're gonna start off with alpha. Turkey says a hundred fills could definitely take on a silverback. Granted, lose 38 fills. We still have 62 left in an unsubscribed to life gorilla.

Ian Crossland (96:32)

How would you attack the gorilla if all. If you were split into 100 pieces.

Phil (96:35)

And you controlled them all with machine guns?

Ian Crossland (96:37)

Well, if you had no weapons but your hands, how would you split up into groups? Would you all go in at once and try and dogpile the thing?

Phil (96:42)

You'd have to do as much dog piling as you can because if you go in one at a time, the gorilla is going to kill you. Now, there might possibly be the like. Maybe. There's a possibility that. I don't even think this is possible. But some people might make the argument that you'll tire the gorilla out before you exhaust the 100 people. I don't know that that's the case because gorillas, they're. They're incredibly strong. And the amount of effort they have to use to smash you into a puddle is probably minimal.

Ian Crossland (97:12)

It depends on the size of the arena. If you're in a tight space like this, it's all happening at once. But if. And also the gorilla might get afraid, morale should be included. Cause a hundred fills would be pretty scary.

Libby Emmons (97:23)

I can't tell you how much I talked to my son about this very scenario this week.

Phil (97:27)

I don't think that there is any like any world in which multiple humans can take on a gorilla.

Libby Emmons (97:34)

Yeah, he didn't think so either. He painted the scenario of the gorilla picking up one human like this and just like helicopter.

Ian Crossland (97:41)

What if like a Phil jumped out of a bush and he's like. And then another three more of them jumped out and like, like full. The gorilla might be traumatized.

Libby Emmons (97:49)

I think the gorilla has a better handle on gorilla warfare than a bunch of Phils do.

Phil (97:54)

Probably. I think a silverback gorilla just people. A chimpanzee will tear you limb from limb. And a chimpanzee is not. They go for your nearly as big as a.

Ian Crossland (98:03)

They're vicious.

Phil (98:04)

That's awesome.

Ian Crossland (98:05)

They go right for it. Just so you know, if you ever come into the contact in the wild, that's great.

Phil (98:09)

Protect yourself Great.

Ian Crossland (98:10)

Yeah. Not you personally.

Phil (98:11)

So Shane H. Wilder says in the rumble rants tomorrow the people of Cameron County, Texas will vote to turn Star Base from an unincorporated work town into a Texas city.

Libby Emmons (98:22)

That's really Elon Musk going to be the mayor?

Phil (98:24)

I don't think so, but they're going to incorporate it. It'll be Starbase Texas. Okay, let's see.

Libby Emmons (98:31)

I thought he maybe needs another hat.

Phil (98:33)

You know, another. Well, he's a busy guy, but apparently he's going to be stepping back from Doge and doing less work on Doge. Not getting out of Doge. Doge.

Libby Emmons (98:41)

Well, he only had like 130 days to do it.

Phil (98:43)

Well, he's, he's 100 days now. He's, he's going to be only working like one day irregularly. So that way he can extend the, the work because, you know, they've, they've got kind of their marching orders and stuff. Perpetual. Jonathan says Phil, the PA guy at Ball arena played two weeks last night and then the Avalanche beat the Stars to force game seven tomorrow night. Coincidence? No, it's not. No, it was, it was the. It was playing that song. And I'll take credit for that. Let's see. BMW, C94. Says he had surgery on his ankle and lost his job. Just looking for help for my family. For the time it'll be off, it's gofundme.com F E-E B9B99FEB9B90.

Ian Crossland (99:35)

Careful, zoom in. Ankles suck it.

Phil (99:38)

It does. It does. Let's see some more super chats. Arsonist. YouTube says, I think we should keep an eye on China. Apparently students are protesting these days.

Cliff Maloney (99:53)

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Libby Emmons (100:51)

Really?

Ian Crossland (100:51)

Really.

Phil (100:52)

I don't know. I don't know if that's serious or not.

Unknown (100:55)

It's in China.

Ian Crossland (100:56)

Yeah.

Phil (100:57)

Yeah.

Unknown (100:57)

They'll shut that down real quick.

Ian Crossland (100:58)

I've taken them.

Phil (100:59)

I don't think that's even true, though.

Libby Emmons (101:00)

Yeah, I don't see anything about that.

Ian Crossland (101:02)

I've seen. I've seen a lot from David Zhang. He's been talking about. Yeah, Chinese Pro or the student protest. And it's been on a couple people that like the Chinese uncensored people that are watching it. But whenever the Chinese protest around this time of year, we should pay attention. And I'm taking the mindset of we gotta be. I'm gonna be really empathic and like compassionate. Just like on the level with the. With the Chinese citizens and the Canadian citizens. Like make them your friends. Because it is possible that there will be democratic republic uprisings in other countries.

Phil (101:35)

I don't think it's possible in China.

Ian Crossland (101:37)

It's. It's the most challenging country that it could happen in. For sure. It would be, but that doesn't mean it can't. And if. If it happened, it wouldn't happen from the outside. It would.

Courtney Nil (101:48)

You know, it would be awesome to see.

Phil (101:51)

The CCP sucks, so they're pretty horrible to be sure. K to the Swiss says, we love Courtney, so thank you very much. And then Colin Rouse one says, cliff. Go Birds. Dallas sucks.

Unknown (102:06)

I thought you're going to say Cliff. We hate Cliff. Go Birds. That's right, baby.

Phil (102:11)

I wouldn't read that. I wouldn't do that.

Unknown (102:14)

Go Eagles. Got the. It's been a good year. We got the Super Bowl, Got the White House back. Not tired of winning yet.

Phil (102:22)

Isaac Vanderbilt says, I've been living off of ramen and Bologna for 30 years. And then he goes on to say, you know who. Grocery prices don't affect singles. That's right. You're as well. Single men, I think single guys, I think they're. Women. Like to like to exp. Have more fun and experiment in the kitchen more than dudes do. Dudes are just like, whatever, you know, stuff some ramen in the food hole. And I'm good.

Ian Crossland (102:46)

And more zucchini.

Phil (102:48)

Zucchini is great.

Libby Emmons (102:50)

That's true.

Ian Crossland (102:50)

Raw or cooked?

Libby Emmons (102:51)

I literally forgot about zucchini. I'm going to have to get some zucchini.

Phil (102:55)

Rage LB says from Rumble rants Need a shower after Phil tonight. Come chill. Rage LB on rumble and rage LB3 on YouTube. YouTube. I'm not sure exactly why you'd need a shower. I showered before work and I haven't been particularly dirty. I don't think so. Jacob Jones says, accidentally got myself in hot water by commenting on a left wing page on Facebook. And everybody that was going on unhidden drance on me had either animal cartoons or AI profile Gulag immediately. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Gulags are necessary for those, those deviants there. You know, I, I was very much a libertarian minded person until all the trans and furry stuff and, and I'm just like, well, maybe I am an authoritarian. We can just toss people in jail for no reason.

Libby Emmons (103:47)

Well, I mean, for being a pedo. Furry. Like, that's.

Phil (103:51)

Yeah.

Unknown (103:51)

You know, you guys all, you guys all have that experience though, where you do post something, you know, every once in a while and it just, it strikes that chord and all of a sudden, you know, I don't know what the algorithm's doing, but it's just somehow.

Ian Crossland (104:01)

Even I try not to do it in text. I try to do it with my voice so they can hear the tone because otherwise they go, it's just a, a cavalcade of black letters on a white background.

Unknown (104:11)

It's like one time I said themselves, I said something like, you know, it's 20. This was last year. I said, it's 2024. And we're still seeing people using the argument that men are paid more than women for the same jobs. And I mean, you would have thought.

Libby Emmons (104:26)

It'S just not true.

Phil (104:27)

You would have thought I like, no.

Unknown (104:29)

Went off the deep end.

Courtney Nil (104:30)

Yeah. It's funny the things that bring out the liberals on social media and it.

Phil (104:35)

It'S, it's just, it sometimes it can be just innocuous things and then the wrong person either retweets it or put, you know, puts it in front of their audience. And then next thing you know, your, your timeline, your mentions are just full of crazy leftists saying crazy leftist things.

Unknown (104:49)

I call that the Keith Olbermann special. He starts pushing stuff. It is like rabbit, just Looney Tunes coming after you.

Libby Emmons (104:56)

Yeah.

Courtney Nil (104:57)

I think there was so much online from the 2024 primary that like conservatives were like really going back and forth with one another that then finally when like a Democrat showed up to tell me that they didn't like what I was saying, I'm like, oh, wow, I haven't seen one of these in A while. I'm like, how, how have you been? Oh, okay.

Unknown (105:13)

That was the, the White House incident with Zelinsky. You know, when they, when J.D. vance and Trump really went after him. I mean, same thing. Like, any comments on that? It was like these people just, that was the Orange man bad moment of this year. Just, they went wild.

Libby Emmons (105:27)

That was a, that was a wild, wild press conference.

Ian Crossland (105:31)

He, Zelensky really stuck his neck out speaking it and doing in English because that was a huge, that language barrier was sad. He was confused and like, you think.

Libby Emmons (105:39)

That'S what it was?

Ian Crossland (105:40)

Yeah.

Libby Emmons (105:40)

He said, you're gonna, you're gonna know how this feels, you know?

Unknown (105:45)

Yeah.

Ian Crossland (105:45)

He, he did another interview more recently in, in, in Ukrainian or Russian. He did it in his native tongue. And, and he's, I think he's just decided, I'm not doing any more English.

Unknown (105:55)

No, I, I, I don't think he decided that. I think the backlash from that interview, you're probably right. He probably struggled a little bit, but I just think the backlash from that, they, they probably sat down and said, well, where do we go from here? I guess we're gonna have to backtrack a little bit. Just my thoughts.

Phil (106:11)

Let's see. Mac12 says, hey, Phil, the icon Tools at Harbor Freight have a lifetime warranty. Warranty. Well, it's good to know.

Ian Crossland (106:20)

Got him.

Courtney Nil (106:21)

Who wants to go return their stuff all the time, though? That's kind of annoying. It's like, oh, man, my hammer broke again.

Phil (106:26)

I'm gonna stick with my, I'm gonna stick with my DeWalt stuff. I like the, I like the dewalt electric stuff.

Ian Crossland (106:31)

So I gotta get a good chainsaw. Got any good ones?

Phil (106:34)

Steel is a good chainsaw.

Ian Crossland (106:35)

There's a company's called Steel Steel.

Phil (106:36)

It's not s, it's still, It's S T, I H L. It's a German company.

Courtney Nil (106:42)

Make good knives, too. The German Germans?

Phil (106:44)

Yeah, they do.

Courtney Nil (106:45)

Germans and Japanese know what they're doing.

Ian Crossland (106:47)

Yeah, that folded steel. Damascus steel.

Unknown (106:50)

9.

Ian Crossland (106:50)

I don't know if that's German or Japanese, though.

Phil (106:52)

9 is German. It's also a number. Red Muskrat says, I'm a machinist by trade, but I love buying old comps and cutting into them. Tinkering is my bag. I'm not sure what a comp is.

Ian Crossland (107:03)

Computer.

Phil (107:04)

Computer. Maybe cutting into them and seeing what's, you know, I guess into them.

Ian Crossland (107:10)

Circuit boards.

Phil (107:11)

Yeah, maybe. Joel, Jamal says hi from Australia. It's great to see Cliff Maloneyon in the show. Much love from turning Point Australia. Wish us luck in our elections today. They're having, you're having elections. I hope that the furthest right wingers that are running win, because then you might get some people that are kind of centrist.

Unknown (107:31)

Joel is doing the Lord's work. God bless him. Good luck to him. I always laugh, but, you know, when people are trying to kind of get things moving in some of these areas where, where they're really seen as not just the resistance, but, I mean, it's, you know, to try to organize in a place like that. But he's doubling down, doing good things, so. Thanks for the shout out, Joel.

Phil (107:50)

Let's see. Sergeant Buck says there are two ways to fix a printer. A driver reinstall or driving a wedge. Just throw that garbage out and buy a new one.

Unknown (108:02)

I'm with Libby on this. I, I, I think I'm gonna have to stop buying the $40 printers and, and just there's got to be like, an $800 printer out there that might work for a couple years. Doesn't exist.

Libby Emmons (108:11)

I don't think so. Not like, not like for home use.

Courtney Nil (108:14)

Yeah. If you get a office printer, they have some nice ones.

Libby Emmons (108:18)

Rico. Whatever.

Courtney Nil (108:20)

My last office printer was great, and I was the printer whisperer. If it ever broke, they came to me before we called it.

Libby Emmons (108:27)

That's a good spot to be in.

Phil (108:29)

They need you did the hitting work, kicking it.

Courtney Nil (108:31)

That was not what I normally went with. First. First.

Phil (108:34)

No. Well, to each his own. TC Blair says, I love that scene.

Libby Emmons (108:39)

In Office Space when they take the fax machine out. Yeah.

Courtney Nil (108:42)

I will say that does work for pickle jars, though. If you're ever trying to open a pickle jar and you can't get it, if you, like, like, hit it on the floor a few times in a few different places, it's actually way easier to open.

Libby Emmons (108:51)

Yeah, that works.

Phil (108:53)

TC Blair says I live in the county where the gang attack happened. We have friends and family who work there. Keep us in southwest Virginia in your prayers, folks. Folks. Yeah, definitely.

Libby Emmons (109:02)

Definitely.

Courtney Nil (109:02)

Absolutely.

Phil (109:03)

Yeah, it's, it's a terrible thing. And like I said, we should, we should send them all out. Just get them out of here. There's no reason for us to have to deal with them.

Courtney Nil (109:16)

We just don't want them to come back. We can't have them coming back.

Unknown (109:20)

Luckily, the borders closed.

Libby Emmons (109:21)

Yeah.

Phil (109:22)

Yeah. Buildozer74 says Phil's Libertarian voice is sexy. It's, it's not intended to be, but, you know, Jimmy B. Good said they had a reason to go to war with Iraq. Saddam stopped using dollars to sell his oil to stick it to us. And the banksters don't allow that. Mess with the banksters money and they kill you. I don't know if that's the case. I don't know if that's the case because the, at least the first, well at least the first Iraq war, not the second Iraq war, the first Iraq war. I really do think that the Saudis had a, had a lot to do with it. The fact that Iraq invaded Kuwait and said okay, we're coming in here. The Saudis were like ah, this kind of makes us nervous.

Cliff Maloney (110:03)

So maybe these days I can do anything from my phone book. A vacation order a meal from a five star restaurant, buy and trade stocks. But maybe the most amazing thing I can do is make my dirty laundry disappear and then reappear perfectly washed and folded. I have rinse to thank for that. I just schedule a pickup in the Rinse app or@rince.com a Rince valet comes to get my clothes and before I know it they're back crisply folded and ready to wear. They even do dry cleaning which is returned hanging in a nice rinse garment bag. And with rinse my satisfaction is guaranteed. If for any reason I'm not happy, they'll reclean my clothes for free. Best of all, rinse saves me tons of time each week. That's time I get to do something I love versus something I have to do do. So if you want to save loads of time by not doing loads of laundry, remember there's an app for that Rinse. Sign up now and get $20 off your first order at rinse.com that's R I N S E dot com we.

Phil (111:02)

Should have a US base which is a terrible idea but to have a US base in Saudi Arabia. But they really, I think they did were like did want the US to kind of ensure that the, the, the Saudi family, Saudi royal family would not be, be you know, hung up from bridges which is what tends to happen to monarchs that lose power. So. But yeah, Duende says big L on your opinion on Apple. Phil, I don't think you're making the argument you think you're making. Well I'm, I do think that I'm making the argument I think I'm making. I like Apple products to stay the way that I would like Apple products to stay the way that there. I'm comfortable with the fact that if I want to fix an Apple product I have to go back to the Apple store or don't have to, but I go back to the Apple store to get the warranty repair and I don't like the idea of outside companies messing around with Apple because I like the way Apple products work generally. Except for the brightness on my phone. I just want it to stay bright when I turn it. He might be leave it bright. Don't ever turn it down ever. Stop adjusting it. I turn it up for a reason. I never, ever, ever want you to turn it down.

Ian Crossland (112:10)

I think he might be talking about the, this, the idea that it's, it's a more secure product because they have it all done in their factory without, like, external. But they might be, it might be more vulnerable if it's, if it's more proprietary.

Phil (112:27)

Why?

Ian Crossland (112:27)

Because no one really knows what they're doing. So if you have access to the parts.

Phil (112:31)

Are you saying Apple doesn't know what they're doing? Doing?

Ian Crossland (112:32)

Oh, they know what they're doing.

Phil (112:34)

Okay.

Ian Crossland (112:34)

But they don't have to tell people necessarily.

Phil (112:37)

Yeah.

Courtney Nil (112:37)

So I think there is one regard that Apple doesn't know what they're doing. I really want my headphone jack back. I, I, that's still a gripe for me. I like wired headphones and I just, I wanted back, you know, you were a boomer.

Ian Crossland (112:49)

You know, I always thought Apple, it's weird how they'll take parts away because they're like, they just don't need that anymore. I'm like, give me six USBs on my computer. Like, don't take, take them away.

Phil (112:58)

I do think it, you know, they, they could probably use more USBs, I think, I think my laptop has three.

Ian Crossland (113:05)

They assume you'll buy a peripheral that plugs in that gives you like eight USBs.

Phil (113:10)

Yeah, I'm not totally against that. I do like the idea of everything being USBC now.

Ian Crossland (113:14)

Oh, my God, it's so great.

Phil (113:15)

I, I do like that.

Ian Crossland (113:16)

That's like the world coming together.

Libby Emmons (113:18)

That was, the European Union did that. That's.

Phil (113:20)

No, no, I didn't mean, I didn't mean that. I wanted them to, to make the connections. I just like that, I like the, the fact that the USB Cs are smaller and, and they're more convenient than USBBs or you can flip them upside.

Ian Crossland (113:32)

Down and they still plug in.

Phil (113:34)

That's so huge.

Libby Emmons (113:35)

Europe, who just said, who said, like, you know, you can't just have a million different kinds of chargers all the time. You can't be changing this all the time. Just.

Phil (113:41)

And I was against that too. Yeah, I hated the idea. I was like, don't mess with my Apple products. I don't want you, you know, European Union messing with my Apple products because I like the way my Apple products work and I don't want governments involved saying you have to make them work this way because usually that means they make them work worse. Worse.

Libby Emmons (114:00)

Yeah. Yeah.

Courtney Nil (114:01)

I've had worse luck with USB C than lightning, though, at least so far when it comes to audio stuff, because there has something to do with. When. With lightning, it's easier for things to, like, go out and come back in versus with USB C the way that Apple has done it right now, like I said, for auditory things, it's not working so great if you want to be wired in.

Phil (114:24)

Well, I didn't know. Know that. So let's see now we're moving around. Ron says Canada won't even let Americans with DUI convictions into the country. Yet we have Dems defending. Ending the worst of the worst. Defending the worst of the worst here. I agree. It is crazy in Canada. They're. They're. They're actually very, very strict. And it's been a pain in the butt when it comes to. To touring bands because it's frequent.

Libby Emmons (114:55)

Are there a fair number of DUIs and touring bands?

Phil (114:58)

Not. Maybe not in the bands themselves, but when it comes to crew, yeah, it. I mean, sure. You know, and of course, the crew should. They should know. They should look at the routing and they should say, okay, you're going to Canada. I have a dui. I can't do this tour. But they don't. And then you have to figure it out at the border. And it's a pain in the butt. And so, so. But yes, Canada is very, very strict when it comes to who. Who's allowed. Which Americans are allowed in. If you're not an American, I hear it's fairly easy to get into Canada for, you know, numerous reasons. But if you've got a dui, look out. So let's see here. What do we got? The Emperor's champion said, if attempting to impeach the president on behalf of Ms. 13 is not treason, then I don't know what is. I think that doesn't count as treason because treason has a specific meaning and it. It's. It's you. I think it's in wartime is. Is. Is when it's actually treason, it might be sedition.

Ian Crossland (115:58)

That's sedition, right?

Phil (115:59)

Yeah, this might be sedition might be a more accurate phrase, but it is. It is definitely counter to what the. What is best for the American people. So. So Raymond G. Stanley Jr. Says Ian's lying. We played DC Adventures just last week.

Ian Crossland (116:15)

I love that guy. Why does he say I'm lying?

Phil (116:18)

Well, did you listen?

Ian Crossland (116:19)

No, I didn't play DC Adventures with Raymond. Is it fun? Raymond? I never even heard of it.

Phil (116:23)

I don't know.

Ian Crossland (116:24)

No, I love Raymond.

Phil (116:27)

Should I do this one?

Ian Crossland (116:32)

That's a pretty good one. Your choice man.

Phil (116:34)

Pokey man said Phil drives a trans man Yama. I don't. No, he doesn't.

Ian Crossland (116:42)

Are you.

Phil (116:43)

Do you.

Ian Crossland (116:43)

Do you leak what you drive for real?

Phil (116:45)

What?

Ian Crossland (116:45)

Do you leak what you actually drive? What you you actually drive?

Phil (116:48)

I've said that I drive a Tesla. Yeah, it's a sick Tesla, thank you very much.

Ian Crossland (116:52)

I real Raymond was talking about when we were pretending to be Wonder Woman and Spider man down in the basement last week. What?

Unknown (116:59)

That was a sight.

Ian Crossland (117:00)

Did I say that out loud?

Phil (117:01)

Yeah. Oh man. Sean Turner seen in Cheese says anyone bring up, bring up the Cartels guys caught smuggling 180000 rounds of CO CO equals Neoca but they get minimum trucks to the CEO Supermax to El Chapo or to give to TDA. I think he's talking about 180000 rounds of 308. I'm not sure if they were. There were 30 Cal rounds but you know that's a lot of. A lot of suppressive fire. If they're firing from a full auto belt fed machine gun which you know the cartels absolutely have. And I, I don't. I haven't heard anything more about it though.

Unknown (117:45)

So go, go back to that. Were they. Was he saying Colorado and calling Colorado Neo California?

Phil (117:51)

Yeah.

Unknown (117:52)

Oh, I said yeah.

Phil (117:53)

Colorado equals Neo California.

Unknown (117:54)

Got it.

Phil (117:55)

That they get minimum. They. But they get minimum trucks to the Colorado supermax to get El Chapo or give give to tda. I think that they're probably going to go out of the country and those rounds will be used to fight the governments in South America or maybe in. You know, maybe fight the Mexican government. But yeah, it's a lot of bullets man. You guys don't need. Let's see. Tim Neal says you guys don't need more USBs. Each USB port will run 100 plus devices is. You have to have powered USB bank to run more than three. Well you know that's. It's an extra piece of equipment that a lot of people don't really want to buy. Right, Exactly. You know, which. And I mean I can't say that I. I blame them, you know who Thunderbolt.

Ian Crossland (118:41)

Is that what it's called the new technology. Thunderbolt technology. It's like super years old. It's like Thunderbolt four, I think, or five they're up to now, I think so. Something like that. Ridiculous. It's almost as fast as hdmi, I think.

Phil (118:51)

Yeah, probably.

Libby Emmons (118:52)

I don't know.

Ian Crossland (118:52)

And it's a USB C plug.

Unknown (118:54)

Wow.

Phil (118:56)

Let's see. Red Muskrat says I'm a machinist by trade, but I. Oh, no, I already read that one. What do we got here?

Libby Emmons (119:09)

Let's see this one.

Phil (119:12)

Which one? Oh, okay. Jammy Brockadile says boomers are afraid of Trump because they still get their news from tv. They should get online to find out what's actually going on. I mean, look, you can find, you know, information that's critical or outlets that are just as critical of Trump on the Internet as if you, you know, watch regular tv. Now, granted, people that expect the TV stations to tell them the truth, like if you're a boomer and you remember the days when it was just three news stations and Cronkite was like, and that's the way it is, is that may, I mean, it makes sense why you would still kind of have that inclination. But I don't think that just getting on the Internet is the solution because people will still be looking for, actually, it might even be worse because they're looking for confirmation of the things they kind of already believe. And if they believe that Trump's a bad guy, you know what was wild.

Unknown (120:09)

When he looked at the post election polling of kind of, I mean, Trump moved, moved to the right with every single demographic except the boomers. And so I really did a deep dive trying to understand. I think that's a good argument, which is they still get traditional media. I think a better argument is they aren't as impacted by some of the Biden policies when it comes to the economy. Right. They're kind of hitting that retirement age. Life is good, things are okay. People vote to kind of keep things okay. And I think of all the groups, it's a mix of them getting traditional media, but I think it was, they just weren't impact as much as everybody else. But it's the only, which is, you know, kudos to Trump is the only group that didn't move to the right.

Phil (120:51)

Yeah, I mean, I, I wait, you said kudos to Trump for that.

Unknown (120:56)

Every other group moved to the right?

Phil (120:57)

Yeah, I mean, I do think that that's because they're more inclined to, to. They're not set in their ways, honestly. Like you're if you're a boomer and you kind of have an opinion of Donald Trump. Trump, I, I don't know what it's going to take to, to move you. And they're certainly not going to go out and look for information that's contrary to, to what their preconceived notions are.

Ian Crossland (121:19)

You can get through if you talk about the liberal economic order and they're, they're smart and they actually care, they'll listen. I mean, I've had some experience explaining, like, global technocratic banking and how they've been gutting our country for 100 years. And they're like, okay, the Kennedy assassination.

Phil (121:33)

Like, yeah, that was. Yes.

Ian Crossland (121:34)

If you go through to talk about the Kennedy assassination with them, the boomers, they get, they're like, oh, yeah, CIA got you. Yes, yes, yes.

Courtney Nil (121:41)

Well, and more of them already own their houses, though, too.

Phil (121:44)

Sure.

Courtney Nil (121:45)

That could be a really big factor.

Phil (121:49)

Mr. That one guy says, hey, team, just wanted to share information. Previous guest, Angry Cops. Richard High. Great, dude. You should subscribe to him on YouTube. The SVU detective has brought up Buffalo. Buffalo school district is hindering investigation into child abuse, objective abduction and worse. They could use the attention. Yeah, you can watch the unsubscribe podcast, Richard, or Angry Cops went on there and outlined a lot of the really just disgusting behavior from the Buffalo school department. And you know, he's an SVU cop, Special Victims Unit. This is, this, this is literally right up his alley. And as soon as he basically put the Buffalo schools on blast, they started trying to discredit him and tried to discredit the podcast. Now, again, this is a special unit, a special Victims Unit detective. This is what he does. And the school is trying to save face and they're being selective with the wording. They're trying to imply that he's lying. They're not calling them lies. There's. There's all kinds of just sus. Behavior by the Buffalo schools. I. I can't speak for, for anyone at the post Millennial, but I know someone over there and it'd be cool if you guys covered it.

Libby Emmons (123:12)

I actually was looking at YouTube about that the other day, but, yeah, we haven't covered it yet.

Phil (123:17)

Rich is a great dude, so.

Libby Emmons (123:18)

Yeah, I met him the other night on the show.

Phil (123:20)

Yeah, he's really, really. He's a great guy. He's him. And actually all the guys on the unsub podcast, Eli. Donut. Yeah, Donut the fat electrician. All great dudes. So.

Libby Emmons (123:32)

Donut is such a good nickname.

Phil (123:34)

Donut. Operator.

Unknown (123:35)

It's a great Joey bag of donuts.

Libby Emmons (123:37)

So good.

Phil (123:38)

So yeah, you should subscribe to the unsubscribed podcast. Let's see. Isaac Vanderbilt says repeal the 19th. It just makes sense. How do you feel about that, Libby?

Libby Emmons (123:49)

What was that?

Phil (123:51)

Isaac Vanderbelt says repeal the 19th. It just makes sense.

Libby Emmons (123:54)

Oh, that's just so stupid.

Unknown (123:56)

Oh boy.

Libby Emmons (123:57)

Just dumb.

Phil (124:01)

Adam Brenman said, I haven't looked the actual, actual adjusted numbers, but other than the COVID rebound, all Biden's jobs reports are after reactions, almost all negligible, minimal. That's, that's my understanding as well. Like the Biden administration made a big deal about the jobs that they had, you know, during their administration. But, but the whole country was shut down largely when he took office. And so the idea that, that he actually created these jobs, it was just these places of business opening back up because we realized that they could, you know, that it was time for the restrictions to happen.

Ian Crossland (124:42)

Sometimes someone would pick up two part time jobs because they couldn't find a full time job and then they listed as two jobs.

Phil (124:48)

Yeah.

Ian Crossland (124:49)

And so, and also the jobs could be redundant. Like they'll hire someone to dig a hole and then hire someone to fill the hole up just so that people stay busy and the Federal Reserve can keep getting their money at interest.

Libby Emmons (125:01)

Like with works progress. There was stuff like that. Yeah, Works Progress administration under fdr, there was stuff like that.

Phil (125:07)

Just dig a hole.

Unknown (125:08)

And I mean they're always going to spin it, right? It's like, hey, what number can we take? You know, and I love though, when there are certain things under Biden that the Democrats, Democrats really championed and now if it's better under Trump, it's like, what do we do now? But that's why I say it's always about okay, where are they when it comes time to vote? And if they have the job and they're feeling good, great, but they're always going to just take these numbers and run with them.

Phil (125:31)

Yeah, I, I do think that there's going to be as much, you know, twisting of the, the information as possible. So. Yaquin Dill Yakuillen. I can't even pronounce India. Yakui India idea. There we go. Says gender ideology is the most sexist thing ever. I mean, maybe, but it's all BS anyways. So grits 15 years says I have yet to meet a trans person that doesn't exhibit an incomprehensible level of self loathing. I mean, I think that I've met A couple that are fairly reasonable. I mean, Blair White is fairly reasonable. Reasonable.

Ian Crossland (126:10)

Blair's always recently was like, I don't even know if I'm trans. I think I'm a cross dresser.

Phil (126:15)

You know, like there's, I mean, you know, I mean, sorry to interrupt you. No, no, it's fine.

Ian Crossland (126:20)

Yeah, Blair's awesome.

Cliff Maloney (126:21)

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Phil (127:20)

You know, I love that guy.

Ian Crossland (127:22)

He's the man.

Phil (127:24)

Lucy Fear says my friend is making a daily podcast telling the story of 250 Years of America across 250 episodes. Premieres July 4, 2025. Ends July 24, July 4, 2026. Go give him a follow at @250Years of USA on X. Go give him a follow. Guys.

Ian Crossland (127:45)

Me and Ian were just talking in the beginning before the show about what was that called? The Great War. I think from like 10 on YouTube. Yes, correct. Like if it's, if it's two 50 episodes like that each year, that's so sick. I love stuff like that. You and pick up the Great War. If you want to understand why modern war is basically the devil incarnate, you do not want modern war. Look at the Great War. We got to keep World War I in mind because they didn't understand. Just like we have drones right now. These are the machine guns of the modern age. You don't understand what you're about to go up against. And they did a week by week everywhere from 2014-18, every week, they would say this is what happened in the week of 1914, 100 years ago. It's fascinating. And just the death millions and millions and millions and millions just from the machine guns. But then you take trench foot and all these other horrific. Just the chaos of the explosions that, that way that can traumatize and destroy a human body.

Phil (128:35)

My name is Yeet says Ian, we miss you on the seven day server.

Ian Crossland (128:39)

My name is Yeet. There was too much lag. If it's been resolved though, that's, that's a good thing.

Phil (128:44)

All right, smash the like button. Share the show with your friends, go to rumble.com Become a Member Member and you can sign up for the after show. You can catch the, the uncensored after show and then if you go to timcast.com you can join our discord and then you can call in and talk to us. But not tonight because tonight's Friday, so. Oh, one more. What do we got? Kai? The one from Kyle.

Ian Crossland (129:08)

Oh, the left.

Libby Emmons (129:09)

This one here?

Ian Crossland (129:11)

Yeah.

Phil (129:12)

Oh, God. Blue debut says Phil's alter ego is the Phil Britain Libertarian. No, it's not. It's official. No, it's not. I, I'm not, I don't even call myself a libertarian anymore because they're just, they're unbelievable.

Ian Crossland (129:26)

He's addressed it, guys. He's addressed it now, everybody. He's addressed it.

Phil (129:29)

All right, we'll leave it alone.

Ian Crossland (129:30)

He's addressed it.

Phil (129:30)

All right. Anyways, so yeah, smash the like button. Share the show with your friends, go to timcast.com sign up. You can join the Discord, go to rumble.com and become a member so you can watch our after show which is not happening today tonight because it's Friday but we will be back on Monday. So, Cliff, you want to shout anything out?

Unknown (129:45)

If you want to doze your state, let's talk. Hit me up on X at Maloney. Love the Tim Cass family. You guys are all great. Appreciate you having me.

Courtney Nil (129:53)

Thanks so much for having me on, guys. If you want to find me over on X it is at Courtney Nil. That's K N I L L. And right now I'm running for office. If you are someone who really cares about politics, think about running. You're yourself. It's a lot of hard work. Don't let anyone tell you that it's going to be easy, but it's something very worthwhile. If you want to check out my campaign, it's nil4city council.com.

Ian Crossland (130:17)

You guys follow me up on YouTube. I just did an Interview with Richard Gage, who's the head of architect. Well he was. He founded architects and engineers for 911 Truth and this guy's compiled thousands, got thousands of architects and engineers across the world to diagnose the twin towers coming down in the physics involved with these buildings falling in near free fall speed. And he just laid out evidence for like an hour and a half we went at it. It was great. So follow me on YouTube. Check out the video on YouTube and X and Rumble. That's where you can find all my stuff at Ian Crossland zip.

Libby Emmons (130:49)

I'm Libby Emmons. You can find me on X. Ibby Emmons. And I would love if you would sign up for my newsletter which comes out every day. You can do so atthepost millennial.com libby and this month we are are sponsored by Merryweather Farms which has been great. And I just, I met them last year. I met the owner of Merryweather Farms on Tim Cass. I've been a customer ever since and so I'm really honored that they're sponsoring the newsletter and you should check it out.

Phil (131:16)

I am Phil that remains on Twix. I'm filler remains official on Instagram. You can check out my band all that Remains all over the Internet and catch Tim cast clips throughout the weekend. And we will see you right here Monday day.

Ian Crossland (131:29)

We should shout out the culture war. Are we still alive?

Libby Emmons (131:32)

Yep.

Ian Crossland (131:33)

I just hijacked the end of that phone call. The culture was tomorrow culture war live phone call. Is it gonna be, is it gonna be broadcast? These are questions.

Phil (131:41)

No, it'll be, it'll be broadcast a week from tomorrow. So the live thing goes is tomorrow and then they actually put it on the Internet a week later.

Ian Crossland (131:47)

So if you're coming, bless you. If not, pray for these people. They're gonna have a wild romantic evening.

Phil (131:52)

Alex Stein is going to be there and he's going to be yelling at people.

Unknown (131:54)

Rhyme time. Picture pimp on a blimp.

Phil (131:56)

Him on a blimp. Man with the big busted or big booty Latinas, you know.

Ian Crossland (132:00)

So thank you Phil. I defer to you and your graciousness. You're an excellent host.

Phil (132:03)

So yeah, we'll catch you guys on Monday.

Cliff Maloney (132:36)

These days I can do anything from my phone book. A vacation, order a meal from a five star restaurant, buy and trade stocks. But maybe the most amazing thing I can do is make my dirty laundry disappear and then reappear perfectly washed and folded. I have rinse to thank for that. I just schedule a pickup in the rinse app or@rinse.com a Rinse Valet comes to get my clothes, and before I know it, they're back, crisply folded and ready to wear. They even do dry cleaning, which is returned hanging in a nice rinse garment bag. And with rinse, my satisfaction is guaranteed. If for any reason I'm not happy, they'll reclean my clothes for free. Best of all, rinse saves me tons of time each week. Week. That's time I get to do something I love versus something I have to do. So if you want to save loads of time by not doing loads of laundry, remember there's an app for that rinse. Sign up now and get $20 off your first order at Rinse. Com. That's Rinse.

Ian Crossland (133:33)

Com.