Scott Pressler (2:49)

Hey, thanks for having me back. And for anyone that doesn't know me, I am the founder of early vote action.com and my goal is to elect Republicans up and down the ballot and try to save what's going to happen this November in 2026.

Tim Pool (3:05)

We've got polling data showing that Republican affiliation is at a massive, massive low. And that is very worrying. Uh, I'm seeing all of these polls where people are like, MAGA is perfect. They all support Trump and they're ignoring the loss of moderates which Trump will need and the Republicans will need. So it's great to have you here. This is a big problem. Important to talk about it. So thanks for hanging out. Ian, of course, is hanging out.

Ian Crossland (3:25)

I'm so glad Scott's here, as one does, man. Yeah. Good to be here, Tim. Thanks for having me.

Tim Pool (3:29)

We got Carter pressing the buttons. Sup? And of course Phil rocking out.

Phillip Remains (3:34)

Let's go.

Tim Pool (3:35)

Let's jump this big story here from Axios. US fighter jet shot down in Iran. One crew member rescued. Search for other ongoing. That story in of itself is very straightforward. That's the latest update we've got. But we got videos, we got tons of these videos. Take a look at this. US helicopters flying over Iran. Now I actually got a point something out that's despite this story being pretty terrifying and brutal, actually fairly optimistic. You know why? The one thing I don't see anybody pointing out, we have air superiority.

Phillip Remains (4:10)

Yep.

Tim Pool (4:11)

We have such air superiority over Iran right now. We just got a bunch of vehicles floating around chilling on a rescue mission without worry of being shot down. And the worst attack I've seen thus far is a dude hiding behind a pillar with a bolt action rifle shooting at a helicopter which is gonna do nothing. I mean like he's got a one in a lottery tickets chance shot of hitting that, that American pilot in the helicopter. That's not a particularly good weapon for taking down helicopters. If he was sitting at, if he was holding like a 50 BMG, like anti material rifle. I'd be like, well that one is for hunting helicopters but you got to be pretty good. It looks like while the story may be very worrying for this crewman, it also shows the US basically owns the airspace now. They've destroyed their anti air capabilities.

Phillip Remains (4:53)

I mean look, the US has run something like 20,000 sorties or whatever over Iran since the war started. Some ridiculously high number. If they actually did shoot down an F15, I don't know if it's actually confirmed that Iran actually shot him down or there was a mechanical issue or whatever. But if they did, it still shows how totally dominant the United States military has been in this campaign. You know, like to be able to go into a country and basically have the ability to fly like some San helicopters which are, you know the biggest

Tim Pool (5:28)

concern for all US operations in Iran has always been that they've got tremendous anti air capabilities. So you could not just fly over. I mean the US relies on air superiority for taking out you know like enemy targets, bases sites, drone strikes and all this stuff. But Iran had been very like let me, let me, let me phrase like this. There's a viral post going around where it discusses one thing we've learned since the start of this war is that Iran has been dumping decades worth of its economic resources just into war. Yeah, the people of the country are protesting for an obvious reason. Their standard of living is low. And then you find out it's because almost all the money they get, they just build weapons. So now in a couple of weeks, as much as I'm not a fan of Trump statements like no disrespect to the President, I hope he wins. I don't want to, I don't want to be a doom, a doom pillar or anything like that, a black pillar. But I gotta hand it to him when he says like we flatten their air force, their navy, it's crushed. It is. And this, I wonder if like, is anyone gonna point this out in the administration just to be like guys, it's bad that, that, that a jet got shot down it that does show they have some anti aircraft capabilities. But we were able to fly a bunch of rescue vehicles over without issue.

Ian Crossland (6:40)

I think you don't want to alert or, or, or terrify the Iranian civilianry. That's the only downside of this is now they see American helicopters flying over their city and it's like, you know, middle of Ohio. All of a sudden you see an Iranian helicopter, you're like oh, we really are surrounded like that. That Feeling kind of want to avoid that, but I mean, it does establish absolute and total military dominance on its face.

Phillip Remains (7:05)

I mean, I mean, to be able to like, like we were saying, to be able to fly helicopters, you know, they had extensive anti air assets in Iran and the US eliminated them in like basically almost entirely. Like I said, I don't know what shot down the F15, but if it was actually shot down by a missile, obviously it's not totally, you know, rooted out. But at the same time, with the number of sorties that the US has flown over Iran, something on the order of 20,000.

Tim Pool (7:35)

Yeah, they cooked Kellen's.

Phillip Remains (7:37)

It's incred. It's total.

Tim Pool (7:38)

I mean, we got this video. This is reportedly a surface to air missile.

Ian Crossland (7:43)

Look at that.

Tim Pool (7:44)

And I guess it failed.

Phillip Remains (7:46)

Yes.

Tim Pool (7:47)

Did they just fire a missile at their own people? I mean, look at the launch point. This is reportedly in Tehran. You can see where it launched from. And then it just landed. I wonder if they're couple miles away or a mile or so away.

Ian Crossland (8:00)

I wonder if they're getting knocked down by like telemetry scramblers from space, like satellites that are just knocking down low orbit ion cannons, stuff that's just disrupting their guidance systems. Is this. I've heard that they have been disrupting their guidance system.

Tim Pool (8:13)

This sound slowed down.

Scott Pressler (8:14)

Yeah,

Tim Pool (8:18)

it's definitely slowed down.

Ian Crossland (8:20)

Yeah. Give it to me at times two.

Tim Pool (8:21)

And if I try and find the

Ian Crossland (8:22)

speed, it's similar to the disc.

Tim Pool (8:28)

Okay. No, that's weird.

Phillip Remains (8:34)

That's bizarre.

Ian Crossland (8:36)

I think he's hiding his voice. I think he's distorting his voice. Yeah, maybe the IRGC would have him slaughtered if they.

Tim Pool (8:41)

Hey, they're trying.

Scott Pressler (8:42)

I don't think the story is necessarily just the air dominance and superiority. It's the simple fact that this is a different administration. So President Obama, President Joe Biden, they wanted to fund and use our money to give Iran the ability to fund these wars and missiles, etcetera, Versus we have the very administration that was able to capture Maduro and in one fell swoop eliminate Ayatollah Khamene. And so like you said, if I were an enemy of the United States or if I were going to even dare try to take down a fighter pilot, I would be shaken in my boots knowing that President Trump is not messing around, that he will actually act and not reward you for your actions.

Tim Pool (9:29)

Yeah, I hope they. I remember that phone call that leaked where Trump was like, I told Putin, if you invade Ukraine, Moscow, and I told Xi, if you take Taiwan, I'LL nuke Beijing. And he's like, I don't know if they believed me, maybe 5%. And that 5% is enough. There's a reason why they. You know what I love about Trump? He is both derisively and endearingly called the madman. Yeah, yeah.

Ian Crossland (9:54)

This is something I was going to ask you, Scott. Like, I think a lot of the problems with the Republican Party right now are people are disillusioned with Trump because of the way they handled the Epstein files. And now. Yeah, a sneak attack on Iran, essentially.

Tim Pool (10:04)

I think Iran was the main, the main hit.

Ian Crossland (10:06)

Like, no new wars.

Tim Pool (10:08)

I think Epstein was particularly effective among politically aligned individuals, but I think Iran was the biggest hit. Yeah.

Ian Crossland (10:14)

And, and so, like you're saying it is, I mean, essentially, it's a great show of military force, but even when he, like, stated his military goals, he didn't have an exit strategy. He just said, we're going to blow up their stuff and then we're going to blow up their energy grid. And then Marco Rubio's like, well, we want regime change. I mean, think they're insinuating regime. But I mean, where are you? Are you disillusioned with Trump? I mean, I know you're, you're, you're, you're powerful activist for the Republican Party, but that doesn't mean, like, Trump sycophancy or anything like that. But what's, where's your head at?

Scott Pressler (10:42)

Well, ultimately, my goal is to make sure the president is successful and it has four years to do his job. I think what I'm hearing on the ground is I do believe it's important to be consistent. And so when the president campaigns in 2016, 2020 and 2024 and says new wars, I think if he's going to do a strike and eliminate Ayatollah Khamenei, he needs to be clear on his communication and why we're doing that. And so I was thinking about it on the way over here today, and I was thinking to myself, President Obama, you could try to say his goal was diplomacy and that he wanted to stop war or create peace with Iran by funding them, which we know there was going to be no diplomacy under the rule of Khomeini. And so then you have this administration when maybe their goal is, okay, no diplomacy, try to create new change and see if that works. And so I think ultimately I would like to hear from the president and the administration if the goal, for example, is to take Greenland so we can stop Russian waterway attacks from submarines, you know, through the Atlantic. And then if the goal ultimately is to have change with Iran, so then we control the Strait of Ormu, so then we're not funding, our allies are not getting oil from our enemies, but instead they're getting oil from us. I think that's what the American people would like to understand. Does this have to do with making sure we're not funding the very terrorism that is gonna be used against us? And if we just had clear communication on that, the American people would be much more, I think, open to the idea of attacks with Iranians. Does that make sense?

Tim Pool (12:32)

The question I have is it's an honest question and I think some people may feel this is a very obvious answer. This is not meant to make a definitive statement or moral point. I am just asking why is it honest question? There is such tremendous anti war and intervention sentiment in the United States. Now to clarify why I'm asking, this is there are tremendous benefits to the United States when we seize other countries oil assets or force them onto the petrodollar system. I am not suggesting the war is good or that I'm saying it's moral. I'm genuinely asking all of you out there what your thoughts are on what are your deepest concerns. What is really motivating people to be opposed to this? I have my answers. I've given it 800 million times.

Scott Pressler (13:12)

But I'm curious what you think 100%. I mean, I think I can speak for the majority of people that probably used to be George Bush fans and then they weren't. Because like you said, there was no exit strategy to Operation Iraqi Freedom. There was none of it got us into a 20 year trillion dollar deficit of our country. And the American people don't want a repeat of that. It's those are old wounds that we don't wanna reopen. And when President Trump was at the forefront of railing against it, the very people that voted for him don't wanna see him fall to the same mistake that George Bush did. I think that's ultimately what it stands for.

Ian Crossland (13:56)

Yeah, there's like, it's like a tepidness from Trump's administration about acknowledging the military dom they're aiming at. Like they don't want to just come out and say we want to conquer the Middle east, we want to conquer the north so that we can prevent, we can have military hegemony.

Tim Pool (14:09)

Like if that'd be much more convincing to be honest.

Ian Crossland (14:12)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (14:12)

If Trump came out and just said like we're going to all the oil, Iran's going to bend the knee or blow them up. I'd be like, wow. But well, I get it now and

Scott Pressler (14:20)

I think that's what really they're trying to go for. But like you said, we want the clear. It's hard. Do you tell the opposition where the football is going? Do you tell them what your plan is while the American people have to wait to learn that plan?

Tim Pool (14:37)

The, the issue that I see is we are a, we are a good people, the American people. We do not want to hurt anybody, we don't want collateral damage. And that makes us very susceptible to propaganda in any direction. The issue is that Trump is unwilling to use these tactics. We heard the story about the Tomahawk missile hitting the school, killing a bunch of schoolgirls, but these are reports coming from Iran largely, and then reports trickle out into various anti war and anti establishment forces. So ready to just believe that the US killed a bunch of little girls maybe. I've certainly reported on obama killing a 16 year old American citizen that was admitted to the accusations against Trump that a commando raid he ordered in his first term killed an American girl that was accused. We don't have the evidence or the investigation, but I'd wanna see one. Our concerns are that we don't want to hurt innocent people, we wanna stop the bad guys. But this means that the bad guys can just come out and be like, no, there's a pink backpack in the rubble. That means you killed children. And Americans immediately recoil in horror, just believing the bad guys. Again, I'm not saying the story is fake, I'm saying we are incredibly susceptible and at the same time you can fall victim to the exact same thing. Such as with the Gulf of Tonkin incident where the US fabricated an attack on one of our warships so that we could justify entering the Vietnam War.

Ian Crossland (15:50)

There's a we don't negotiate with terrorists is a line in a lot of movies where it's like heroic. You're like, yeah, yeah, good, we're done. Cuz terrorists will take civilians hostage and be like, do what we say or we're gonna kill em all. You're like, what other choice do we have than blowing all of you up at this point we're, we don't negotiate.

Tim Pool (16:05)

That's the right thing to do.

Ian Crossland (16:06)

I think so. And it's the horrific truth of war. You know, if someone uses humans as shields, they're all going down.

Tim Pool (16:12)

And this, and this is the macro of the micro that I've discussed on the show quite a bit. And that is one of my favorite stories in my Experience with conflict reporting was that the trainers in our hostile. From unsolved mysteries to unexplained phenomena, from

Ian Crossland (16:26)

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Tim Pool (16:29)

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Scott Pressler (18:22)

Well, but what is our definition of war? You know, just like you were making the analogy of whatever your perception is. So, for example, let's take China for a second. Certainly we don't have boots on the ground. Certainly we aren't necessarily launching missiles at each other.

Tim Pool (18:41)

We do have at least two boots still on the ground right now.

Ian Crossland (18:44)

China?

Tim Pool (18:45)

No, in Iran.

Ian Crossland (18:46)

You're talking about China.

Scott Pressler (18:47)

I'm talking about China as an example. So basically, what I'm saying is.

Tim Pool (18:53)

No, no, continue, continue.

Scott Pressler (18:54)

What I'm saying is our definition of

Ian Crossland (18:57)

war,

Scott Pressler (19:00)

it doesn't really matter because China is having illegal births in our country because of birthright citizenship. Those illegal aliens are now American. They send them back to China with full voting rights to vote in our elections. Meanwhile, the Chinese government is allowing for the creation of fentanyl, which is killing us. And they also have Confucius Institutes, and they are also using TikTok as propaganda machine against our kids.

Tim Pool (19:28)

So anymore who

Scott Pressler (19:31)

I'm blocked on TikTok, TikTok does not allow me to grow.

Tim Pool (19:35)

They just shifted control. So all this is now getting sorted out. I have. I've actually talked to some people at TikTok.

Scott Pressler (19:40)

Well, then I welcome that. But the fact of the matter is, I would argue we are at war with China. And just because there isn't military involvement involvement doesn't mean wars in there. And my ultimate point is Iran. How do you coexist with people that want you dead? And whether we address it now or whether we address it 150 years from now, it is going to be inevitable that we come to the term with. These people want us dead. Under the current leadership and administration.

Tim Pool (20:10)

You saw the letter from their president.

Scott Pressler (20:12)

No.

Tim Pool (20:12)

He released a letter the other day before Trump gave his speech, and he said, we have never, never wanted hostilities with the American people. Yeah. You're chanting Death to America in your parliament. Are you kidding?

Scott Pressler (20:21)

Baloney.

Tim Pool (20:22)

Yeah. It's insane. Listen, listen. I have tremendous respect for those who make functional arguments as to why we should not be involved in these incursions, these interventions. And it's because of the risk, the dice roll. We don't know if we can succeed. It is a tremendous undertaking. It's very expensive. It's going to result in civilian death. Do we really want it? The question is, you're at a bar and a guy is being a dick, and he's splashing a beer in people's face, and you're minding your own business. People start complaining. And then eventually someone comes to you and says, bro, we need your help. Are you gonna keep letting him? You're the biggest guy in the bar. Can you do something about this? And you're like, look, it's not worth getting into a fight. It's gonna get bad. The dude walks up to you and starts shoving you and shoving you. There's an argument here. Back off. Leave the bar.

Scott Pressler (21:04)

Bar.

Tim Pool (21:05)

Everybody leaves. No one's happy. Let the guy do what he wants. But a certain point, that guy puts his hand on a lady, you're not, You're. You're saying, all right, dude, you've. We. You've had enough. Okay, we're throwing you out. We're taking action against you. Now, the question I have for Iran is I do not believe there is any functional argument. I'm talking about the.

Phillip Remains (21:22)

The, The.

Tim Pool (21:22)

The. The efficiency of war. I am talking about the cost of war. I do not believe there is any functional argument that Iran is innocent. Their government is. Has been heavily militarized. They have been attacking civilians. We've already gone through that. The question is, when is it too much for us to bear? They're on the other side of the planet. The issue for the United States, of course, is 20% of global oil trade, for which we are promising. You use the petrodollar, we'll police the seas. And Iran is basically leveraging the threats of violence against civilians. It's a hostage situation. And Obama was like, okay, okay, we'll give you a bunch of money. And then Iran's like, okay, and then we'll use that money unfrozen to start building more weapons. So I will say this. I like the masculinity of Trump being like, then you're getting the boot. Like, we've had enough of this. And I think the. I don't think there is a moral argument. I think there is a light moral argument of we may see collateral damage in civilian deaths that exceeds what is necessary and what is acceptable. But morality, in terms of the actions of their government, they have already stepped over the line justifying someone to stop them.

Ian Crossland (22:27)

The morality argument is if you took someone's food away and then they started stealing food to survive, and you're like, hey, look, it's a thief. Everyone destroy the thief. Like, well, you took his food away. And it's same thing with the Iranian oil supply in the 1990s.

Tim Pool (22:40)

But this is completely incorrect. British oil companies, the Iranians, did not need to expend all of their resources in the past 50 years on weapons and missile sites. They could have been making food in factories. And Rubio made a great point. He said, if you want nuclear energy, import the fuel like everybody else and built your sites above ground for everybody to see what you're doing. They're going deep underground and they're enriching uranium themselves. There's only one reason to do that, to create military bunkers for this, not for energy. Look, they put out a letter saying, we have never wanted hostilities with America. We have videos of them chanting, death to America. Like, there's, there's many Iranians who have fled the country and have attested to this. I am not suggesting that's very Islamic.

Ian Crossland (23:20)

We don't want to harm you, but you've backed us into a corner. We have.

Tim Pool (23:23)

You don't want to arm you harm.

Ian Crossland (23:24)

Harm. They said, we never wanted to harm you, but we will. Like, that's Iran. The Islamic tradition is like, despite the

Tim Pool (23:29)

fact they've been chanting, the point is we do put sanctions on them. But bro, sanctions are the acceptable above board by any stretch of the imagination military action that a country should take. That is. Ian, if you're smacking people around, the first thing I'm going to do is be like, bro, if you keep doing this, I'm not going to, I'm not going to trade with you anymore. That's how remarkable is it that there are anti intervention people that are angry that we sanctioned Iran and they're using that as justification. Well, of course Iran lashed out. We sanctioned them. It's like, yeah, they're fundamentalists that have been blowing people up and bombing embassies and fueling militia groups. So we just said, okay, everybody back off. Don't give them stuff because they're gonna blow you up with it. And then people got mad about that and they said, well, you're sanctioning them. What do you think they're gonna do?

Phillip Remains (24:15)

The idea that the only solution to sanctions is to attack the United States is a terrible argument. Like, you can actually try to do business with the United States, the U.S. if you, Iran complied with some of the things that the United States was, was asking for, they would lift sanctions. Look, the, the, the option or the argument that, well, they're, of course they're going to attack. It's like, why are they going to attack the United States? The United States is the most powerful military in the world.

Tim Pool (24:43)

Look at, look at what Obama did. He said, unfreeze the assets, let him have the money. What did they do with it? Weapons.

Ian Crossland (24:49)

Yeah, that's what Neville Chamberlain did with the Nazis.

Tim Pool (24:51)

Yeah.

Ian Crossland (24:52)

Appeasement, they called it. He tried to appease them. Neville Chamberlain gave Hitler the Sudetenland in Czechoslovakia. Hitler just built up the army. And then, of course.

Tim Pool (25:00)

Let's bring this back home. Let's bring this back home. We've got this story from a couple days ago. JD Vance Ilhan Omar, quote, definitely committed immigration fraud. This is, this is from a few days ago. It was on the Benny show and it's massive. He says Ilan Omar definitely committed immigration fraud against the United States of America. She has been at the center of a lot of the worst fraud stars at the center of the Somali community. Now, the reason why I use this story, even though some a few days ago, is because birthright citizenship is a massive story story right now, considering it's looking as though the Supreme Court will be derelict in their duties and allow this country to falter. We have knowingly a sitting member of Congress that our vice President has said, yes, she committed immigration fraud against the United States. For the love of all that is holy, the Vice President just said a sitting member of Congress is defrauding us and is not. Is not a legal representative in Congress. What, if anything, is to be done about that?

Phillip Remains (25:56)

Hopefully the new AG will do something about it.

Tim Pool (25:58)

I just don't believe it.

Ian Crossland (26:00)

But there's got to be. If she's. Wait, what's the. What did J.D. vance say exactly?

Tim Pool (26:04)

Ilhan Omar definitely committed immigration fraud against the United States. Subject to the ina. She can be denaturalized and deported.

Ian Crossland (26:12)

Wow.

Tim Pool (26:13)

That's the Vice President stating as fact a sitting member of Congress is fraudulently here and ineligible to hold a seat in Congress.

Scott Pressler (26:25)

And this comes after just two weeks ago, the House of Representatives voted on a piece of legislation that you could deport criminal illegal aliens that had defrauded our government. You know, like in Minnesota. And I think it was something like 165 or 186, one of those numbers. The Democrats voted against the deportation of people that committed fraud. So this definitely tracks well.

Tim Pool (26:53)

Why don't we see the action? Is it because people like Pam Bondi needed to be fired?

Phillip Remains (26:57)

It could be. I. I don't know for sure, obviously, but I really, really hope that the new AG picks up like, and does 10 times what. What Pam Bondi was doing.

Tim Pool (27:10)

There should be investors commenting on your accent.

Scott Pressler (27:12)

Oh, gosh. Are they. I think. I think dialect. I think they're afraid. I think they're afraid of what the response will be. Look, the American people voted for deportation 100% and not just illegal aliens, but all illegal aliens. If you're here in our country illegally, we want you deported.

Phillip Remains (27:34)

Yeah.

Scott Pressler (27:34)

And when people in our administration go soft on the issues, that's when people lose the support. And I think people. Some are afraid of the PR war that will be weaponized by Somali immigrant woman, and they're gonna try to make this a race baiting, misogynistic issue, in my opinion.

Tim Pool (27:57)

Maybe he waits.

Scott Pressler (27:58)

Why they won't touch it.

Tim Pool (27:59)

You know, maybe he waits till after the midterms.

Phillip Remains (28:01)

One of the things, one of the things that's necessary to save America is for people that. For most people to stop worrying about if they're called racist.

Scott Pressler (28:10)

Do the right thing.

Phillip Remains (28:11)

Yeah.

Scott Pressler (28:11)

Because it's right.

Phillip Remains (28:12)

Yeah. If you. If there's substance, here's. To whatever you're. If there's substance to whatever you're. You're talking about, like specifically Ilhan Omar, there's substance. There has nothing to do with the fact that she's. She's. It has nothing to do with the fact that she's Somali. It has to do with the fact that she probably broke the law. That's why there should be an investigation. There's a.

Tim Pool (28:30)

There was a criminal trial just recently concluded in New York where a cop killer was acquitted of first degree murder.

Phillip Remains (28:36)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (28:37)

The cop opened the passenger door. They were ordering the man out of the vehicle. He refused. They opened the passenger door and the guy pulls a gun, a.380 and shoots him in the abdomen. The officer then grabs the gun and then collapses. The shot ruptured his iliac vein. I think it's called I'm Not a Doctor, which is. It connects to the aorta. And he bled out and died. So he goes to trial and the jury says not guilty of first degree murder. First degree murder is intending to kill a person and killing that person and then it's aggravated for if they are a public servant, police, EMT, etc. So it's clear cut. We know he did it. The question then is why did they acquit him on first degree? Now he got manslaughter and attempted murder on another cop because then he turns the gun to another cop and click. And the gun doesn't fire point blank at the chest. So what is it all about? Well, the speculation is that the jury, based on race, wanted to acquit the guy. You take a look at the BLM stuff, and I got to be honest, you get a story of a black man who shoots and kills a cop. I believe if you get an all black jury, there will be individuals who believe in merit and are not racist, for sure. But you will have, at the macro level, a high propensity towards. We know the cops are evil, we know they're racist. So he must have been justified in some way. I contrasted that data with the election in Chicago in 2023 for Brandon Johnson, and I've brought this up time and time again. But take a look at the voting map compared to the racial demographics. Everyone in Chicago voted Based on race. So when you take a look at what's going on with the Somali stuff with Ilhan Omar, you make an interesting point about how they'll make it a race thing. They will. And white liberals will side with any group that claims racism against Trump, and they'll use that to swing as many seats as possible in the midterms.

Ian Crossland (30:21)

Yeah, it's not that, I'm afraid, like you were saying of the response. It's more of a concern for the resistance because just like terminal velocity, you go faster and faster and faster. Wind resistance gets hotter and hotter to a point where you cannot go faster. The heat itself will stop you and then destroy you if you push any harder. Like a rocket in re entry, if it's going too fast. So the same thing with the mass deportations of dragging people out of their houses, like that level of heat resistance will destroy you if you overdo it. So you've got to be aware that in cases like this with Ilhan, she's very popular with some people, she's very

Phillip Remains (30:56)

popular with the Somalis that she's. That she represents. But that doesn't change the fact that she's broken a law.

Ian Crossland (31:01)

It's just part of the calculation. I'm not saying it shouldn't happen. I'm just saying that's part of the calculation.

Tim Pool (31:05)

A system that is incapable of protecting itself is a system that shall not exist.

Scott Pressler (31:10)

However, she nearly lost her primary and recent memory. She only came very close to winning her primary. So she's not as popular. And actually I would argue if we have definitive proof, she share it. And not only that, but because of the work that Nick Shirley has done to show all of the fraud in Minnesota. I actually think this really helps us. And furthermore, this comes from the state we want to talk, you know, election integrity and everything else where they have vouching in the state that one registered voter can vouch for up to eight persons without voter id, proof of citizenship, proof of address, whatever. And so I actually think this could be a winning argument focusing on the fraud argument aspect of it. I think the majority of people are actually with us on this.

Ian Crossland (31:58)

If there's evidence, I mean, if there's evidence, it's cut and dry.

Scott Pressler (32:01)

Show the American people, get it on every, every podcast, every news organization out there.

Tim Pool (32:07)

It's so real quick, just put, put a pin. Don't forget you're going to say, because we have an update, a Blackhawk was hit. Everybody's fine. A Blackhawk in. I'm assuming it was a rescue operations In Iran was, was, was hit. But is. Is fine. There's no injuries.

Ian Crossland (32:22)

It didn't go down. Did it go down?

Tim Pool (32:24)

The update so far doesn't say anything.

Ian Crossland (32:26)

Is this the back door to get boots on the ground? Oops. We have no choice.

Tim Pool (32:29)

Now, our men, while conducting rescue operations, was hit, but everyone is safe and accounted for. And it was tailed by a trail of smoke as across into southern Iraq from Iran. So it seems to be. Okay, but that's the latest update. But go back to the point you were going to make.

Ian Crossland (32:41)

Well, it was just that. Why I'm a little concerned that JD Vance made a definitive statement about.

Tim Pool (32:46)

Oh, bro, come on.

Ian Crossland (32:47)

Evidence.

Tim Pool (32:48)

No, the evidence has been for years. Even the Star Tribune show it or something. Yes, look it up, Ian. It's been there for years. Well, he's speaking in an interview. He's not going to show up to an interview to ask a question and then be like, let me. I prepared for this question. I knew you were going to ask me. Star Tribune even said this is a liberal paper, that Ilhan Omar may have married her brother. Like, the point being, there is evidence. Evidence is not proof. These are distinct. Evidence presents itself to be beyond a reasonable doubt, then we would call it proof. But typically proof means you can definitively state it's a fact. Most instances, you have evidence and then we try to interpret that just to see if we believe it to be true. In this case, there is a ton of evidence she married her brother, which would make her ineligible for citizenship and eligible for denaturalization, deportation and removal from Congress.

Phillip Remains (33:39)

Well, I.

Ian Crossland (33:39)

Talk about the Blackhawk.

Phillip Remains (33:41)

What's it, boy? Oh, you go, you go.

Ian Crossland (33:42)

I just. That Blackhawk thing freaked me out when you said that Blackhawk got hit.

Tim Pool (33:46)

Well, more, bro.

Phillip Remains (33:47)

Yeah, I mean, look, that. As much as, as much as I hope that, you know, the pilots are safe and that they're returned with, with, you know, without any injury, if possible. Same thing with anyone that was on the Blackhawk Trump was talking about. Has been talking about the possibility of. Of casualties in this, this operation since day one, since he started. This is, this is serious. Like Iran serious enemy.

Tim Pool (34:10)

And what we should do is pass a law that anyone who enters this country illegally will be deported to whatever war zone we are actively fighting in. I mean, I got to be honest. If we passed a law that said anyone who illegally enters the United States will be deported immediately to any active war zone with US engage or any active conflict zone for US Engagement to aid the US Illegal immigration would be just gone overnight. We wouldn't need a border barrier. You'd actually be, you could actually have people at the border saying, come on, come on over. We need the people in Iran to go fight. We need someone. We want to take Ukraine. Well, all right, I think we got 10 million illegal immigrants, you know. But all joking aside, this is why the Congress, a couple members of the House did propose a bill that these illegal immigrants could serve the US Military and then gain citizenship because it might happen. With all this conversation about a draft, I only need to say this to my Gen Z friends. Don't worry, they're going to draft the Hondurans and the Guatemalans before you and

Scott Pressler (35:16)

hopefully send the robots and message on deterrence. I just want to say I recently went down to McAllen, Texas and I did shadowing of CBP and Border Patrol and it truly down in McAllen they have a sector down there that used to see 2,500 illegal alien apprehensions perhaps per day. And that is now down to 60. Now here's the difference between the previous administration and now. Kind of like what you said. If everything is just rewarded and you know you're going to get a slap on the wrist, then things are going to keep happening now as opposed to illegal aliens who are released into the interior. And of course they wouldn't come back for their court case because why would they? Every illegal alien that is caught is no longer released on the interior that deported back to their home country. And so they will still try to come back. But they said it's night and day between people wanted to be captured knowing they would be released. Now they don't want to be captured because we have Department of War, Coast Guard, local law enforcement, cbp, all working in unison. So this is a little nuanced to read in between the lines when the Democrats don't want to fund Coast Guard or ice, et cetera, or Department of Homeland Security when we're under attack, know that it all is stemming from their goal of trying to bring illegal aliens into the country so they can defraud us and ultimately have them vote in our elections. It all is tying together with the Democrats.

Phillip Remains (36:49)

Yeah, I did. Like this has been the policy that Democrats want for ages and ages. They want us, they actually want to change the makeup of the electorate. United States, they've been doing it through the refugee resettlement program. Yeah, we're doing it with Minnesota. Yeah, in Minnesota they were doing it with the, with the asylum laws. You're not supposed to be able to, to get asylum in the U.S. unless you're from Canada or from Mexico. Asylum laws are you stop at the first safe country. The US shouldn't be flying people from. From over the overseas to the United States for asylum. They should go to the first place that's safe for them to stay. That's the asylum laws. Anyone that's here that claims that they're aside, that they're an asylee that isn't Canadian or Mexican, they're subject to deportation because they broke asylum law.

Ian Crossland (37:36)

Station, what about like Polynesians that land in Hawaii, is that.

Tim Pool (37:41)

Does that happen? Like.

Phillip Remains (37:42)

No.

Ian Crossland (37:43)

Is it the first place is one of the islands or something?

Phillip Remains (37:45)

No, it doesn't happen because I'm Japanese people.

Ian Crossland (37:49)

Do you mean they'll go to Japan going to Hawaii?

Phillip Remains (37:51)

There's a lot. There's a lot more places that are closer than Hawaii. And also, you know, you have to. If you're. If you're being persecuted. Right. The reason for asylum is you're being politically persecuted. Right. The government is after you for whatever. You have the wrong religion, you have the wrong politics, whatever. There are any. Any islands. If I. That I'm aware of where that happens. Where the closest island to them would be Hawaii. Hawaii is literally in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.

Ian Crossland (38:17)

Oh, they'll still make closest geographically. They'll be like, hey, there's other islands.

Phillip Remains (38:20)

Yeah, it should be places that the closest place that you can get to that doesn't persecute you.

Ian Crossland (38:24)

Yeah. Too much of the last 15 years has been economic asylees that are like, hey, it was hard to get a job back home. And you're like, bro, that's not emergency.

Phillip Remains (38:30)

That's not a reason.

Tim Pool (38:31)

That's what Europe is.

Phillip Remains (38:33)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (38:33)

And then they. Then they lie. But I will tell you, when I went to Europe and interviewed a ton of these guys, they were like, it was a huge mistake. There's no opportunity for them. So I was in France and we went to a refugee center. Gigantic inflatable tent. And they made them all live. Like, imagine you have a gigantic. Remember when we were kids, you did the thing where you get the big parachute and everyone throws it out. You go underneath it. Imagine there's a pump just holding it up. And that's where you have to live from now on. And there's no chairs, there's no beds. That's what they said. It was like. And they're like, there's no opportunity to make money. There's no jobs. They were like, we were tricked. We were told by people come here and there will be Jobs and homes and you come here and there's nothing. And they're like, now we don't how to get back. It's too cold. The funniest thing, and I don't mean funny. Haha. For a lot of the sub Saharan African migrants who make it to Europe, they've never experienced winter before. And so it's like going to hell.

Ian Crossland (39:24)

Yeah, yeah.

Tim Pool (39:25)

They're like, I've never worn a coat. I've never seen snow. And it's freezing outside.

Ian Crossland (39:29)

Yeah. It's the absence of God's love is a winter up north.

Tim Pool (39:35)

Let's jump to the story. We've got this one from the doj. This is huge. Justice Department secures the denaturalization of convicted gun trafficker and health care fraudster and files complaint against marriage scammer.

Phillip Remains (39:48)

There you go.

Tim Pool (39:48)

This is big. American citizenship is a sacred privilege, not a cheap status that can be obtained. Honestly said Attorney General Pamela Bondi. Well, about her. These actions reflect this Department of Justice ongoing efforts to strip citizenship from people who conceal crimes or defraud the American people during the immigration process. Oh, boy, sounds like Ilhan Omar is in trouble.

Phillip Remains (40:07)

I mean, that's. It would be, it would be nice to see, but this is also nice to see the precedent set that there, there is legitimate ways to denaturalize people that have come to the United States. Even if they got, you know, they can be denaturalized. Just because you're a citizen, if you came here, you broke the law, or somehow you, you came here and committed fraud to get here, you should be denaturalized, you should lose your, your spot here and you should be sent back to wherever you came from.

Tim Pool (40:33)

Yeah. I think the issue is, especially as we're talking about self identification as Republican is going down, I think a lot has to do with the agit prop, all of the stuff that was produced by the left targeting the ICE operations. I was not the only one who warned about this. We all talked about it, that if Trump gets in and the immigration operations are dudes in uniforms with guns dragging people out of houses or cars while they're crying and screaming Ayuda may, he's going to lose support instantly. And I was like, you got to have dudes in khakis and polo shirts bringing these people to cars. And that's, that's the only way to do it. And unfortunately, some of these guys are bad guys. Well, like even Dave's pointing this, pointing this out where we had our little mini fake fight and then agreed this is this is fueling propaganda for the left to take away Trump's chances at actually solving the problem. And I think that's where we're at right now. Millions of criminals, evil people exploiting our laws, and regular people in this country who don't pay attention only see the worst of it. This is why I think, you know, there's a lot of lefties that they want the martyrdom when it comes to, you know, fighting with a cop or getting killed. Because I gotta be honest, Renee Good and Preddy, their deaths are probably a huge contributor to why people say they're not Republicans anymore. And it's because they're scared of being aligned with a law enforcement agency that for any reason killed two American protesters.

Phillip Remains (41:55)

That kind of blows my mind. I mean, I understand that you don't want to endorse innocent people's death, but those, those two people in particular, like, if they had complied with the lawful orders of law enforcement, they would be alive.

Tim Pool (42:10)

And the issue is there's a guy who works at a pub in, down at Chicago who doesn't watch the news and watches sports.

Phillip Remains (42:15)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (42:16)

And there's, and he's not really political, but people are like, ice just killed. Some lady singing, sitting in her car, and he's going, oh, geez, I didn't want to vote for that.

Ian Crossland (42:23)

About doing what's right, sometimes public perception is different than reality. And so what's right, you have to kind of align with the public's perception in order to manipulate and control, to win and to manipulate the public if you want to change the public. And so doing what's right sometimes can be viscerally wrong. You know, what's, what's universally right, what's spiritually right is that perception is reality. Yeah. So you got to, it's so weird where you got to, like, dip down into the mud to fix the system.

Tim Pool (42:50)

That's the importance of psychological warfare.

Phillip Remains (42:53)

Too many.

Tim Pool (42:53)

And Trump's not willing to engage in it.

Phillip Remains (42:55)

Yeah. Too many people think that nice is equivalent to good, and that's not the case at all. Like, you have to do and. Or nice is equivalent with Right. That's not the case. Like, you have to do the things that are good for your society and the things that are right for your society. Sometimes those things are not nice. In fact, most of the time they're not nice.

Tim Pool (43:14)

Well, I mean, think about it this way. A kid misbehaves, and so one parent says, we're going to take away his toys and ground him. And the other parent goes, no, no, no, no, just tell him we'll give him ice cream if he. If he agrees to behave. Which one is actually going to benefit the kid? The merciless beating, of course. Option C. Well, the best thing that

Ian Crossland (43:31)

could help the kid is a unified front between the parents. There should never be division between the parents.

Tim Pool (43:36)

I'm saying just whip that hand back and whack one time. And that kill. Never missed it.

Ian Crossland (43:40)

Tough love. You're right.

Tim Pool (43:41)

You're right. That's wrong. You got to get a sack of sweet Valencia oranges because it won't leave a bruise.

Ian Crossland (43:45)

I think that taking the tubes. Family Guy Joe, you know, tough love is important. I wonder about, like, the Art of War. Is the Trump administration pretending to be strong because they're weak? Like. Or are they just pretend. Are they just blatantly saying they're strong because.

Tim Pool (43:57)

No, I think it looks like they're pretending to be weak.

Scott Pressler (44:00)

Really?

Tim Pool (44:00)

Yeah.

Scott Pressler (44:02)

I don't think a weak administration would capture Maduro and eliminate Kaimani. But I want to go back for a second. If they were weak, they would have just been a continuation of the President Obama and Joe Biden administration and just give pallets of cash to our enemies and kick the cane on the road. I don't think it's good to say, drive, baby, drive, and try to drive over a police officer. And I think the only reason why we're seeing the ICE protest today is because of Nick Shirley exposing the fraud in Minnesota. And they needed a massive distraction away from the fraud. And unfortunately, we're giving it to them. We're allowing them to protest against ice. And now, from what we hear is that we're ceasing some of our operations, and we're not going to get all the deportations that we want. So we're allowing them to win. If anything, I say go harder. And what we need to do is we need a league of people out with their cameras. And I'm not saying I want a police state, but Kyle Rittenhouse would not be a free man today if we didn't have video recording of him defending himself. Every time there's a raid, every time ICE is out there, dhs, they need drones filming everything. It's to protect ourselves.

Tim Pool (45:19)

But it's not just that. The psychological component is one of the most important, and it's what they do not know how to do. You send out. So here's the reality. You want to win this one. ICE agents need to be wearing polo shirts with badges over and khakis. And then people say, but some of these people are criminals with guns. Here's the reality. You send out a bunch of dudes with helmets, armor and guns, and the public will vote against you. You send out a bunch of dudes in khakis and polo shirts and the public will support you. But this means that those. I shouldn't say troops, but those law enforcement officers are vulnerable indeed. Here's the other dark reality. When an armed, armored federal agent is faced with a threat and shoots and kills the other person, everyone will vote to strip your power from you. If a, if an ICE agent wearing a khaki pants and a polo shirt is shot and killed and rammed by an ICE agent, they will double your budget. So when. So perception is reality. You understand? Ian, you have a little confused.

Ian Crossland (46:21)

That's the last thing you said. You said if an ICE agent gets rammed by an ICE agent. What did you.

Tim Pool (46:24)

By a, by an illegal immigrant or criminal. Sorry.

Ian Crossland (46:27)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (46:27)

Then, then the people will double your budget.

Ian Crossland (46:29)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (46:29)

The way that if they, if, if an ICE agent went out and was on video knocking on a door or pulling a car over and saying, look, we have an order for deportation, and then the guy pulls out a gun and shoots him and he falls back and dies, the entire country would flip Republican like, it would be spiking like crazy and Trump would come out and say this was a peaceful civil operation and these, these criminal cartels are killing our brave men and women in uniform who have shown nothing but kindness and restraint. Instead, we have the opposite. Regardless of what you think about the law, I believe the federal agents are being protected and they are justified. And we've already talked to great length about Preddy and Renee Goode. But the perception of the moderate voter who doesn't pay attention to what's going on is that Jack Boot Gestapo went out and just massacred people and they are going to vote against you and you will lose your power. So pick your poison. The world like it is. Only those who live in the fairy tale reality that think that life is going to be just clear cut, everything's going to be easy and above board.

Phillip Remains (47:32)

Yeah. Everything's trade offs. The idea, you know, Thomas Sowell says it the best. He says that, you know, there, there is no. There are no answers. There are just trade offs. You get more of one thing that you like at the expense of less of something else that you like and, and vice versa.

Ian Crossland (47:49)

Concern about, like arming up the, the, the, the ICE agents giving the masks is like the first step towards stormtrooper armor because you want to protect their Identity. But then you have stormtroopers.

Tim Pool (47:59)

And what's. What do you mean by stormtrooper?

Ian Crossland (48:01)

Like, they're all masked and you don't know who's who. No one has accountability.

Tim Pool (48:04)

They all.

Phillip Remains (48:05)

They all have badges with badge numbers on them.

Ian Crossland (48:08)

The stormtroopers. Oh, no. You're talking about. Well, they don't get to the point where they don't.

Tim Pool (48:11)

Because he's arguing that you get to that point. This is the first step. And then eventually you end up with, like, unnamed, unaccountable police. And I agree.

Ian Crossland (48:20)

Yeah. And David Ellison. Like you were saying, Scott, about, you know, observing the battlefield, about having, like, basically spy tech drones patrolling. And David Ellison. Who. Who? His son.

Phillip Remains (48:30)

Or.

Ian Crossland (48:31)

I'm sorry, Larry Ellison, whose son bought TikTok. David Ellison. Larry Ellison is the owner of Oracle. Or he's the. With the VP of Oracle. Whatever. He was at Oracle. One of the richest men in the world. He wants a totalitarian police state where we.

Scott Pressler (48:43)

He.

Ian Crossland (48:43)

He thinks there's actually a crazy quote by Larry Ellison.

Tim Pool (48:46)

When did he say that?

Ian Crossland (48:47)

Oh, this is a great quote. He's on stage and he says, like, we need to protect. See if you can pull this up.

Tim Pool (48:53)

Larry Ellison. Let's find it.

Ian Crossland (48:55)

Yeah, you got it.

Tim Pool (48:57)

Is that police state?

Ian Crossland (48:58)

He said, we need, like, a surveillance. Surveillance.

Tim Pool (49:00)

Look for Larry Ellison, because that's the defense.

Ian Crossland (49:03)

Total surveillance. You'll see him sitting on stage when he says it. This prep. That's it. Let's see what the.

Tim Pool (49:10)

This is crazy.

Larry Ellison (49:10)

Will be on their best behavior because we record. We're constantly recording, watching and recording everything that's going on. Citizens will be on their best behavior because we're constantly recording and reporting everything that's going on. And it's. It's unimpeachable. The cars. The cars have camera, you know, cameras on them. I think we have a squad car here someplace. But those kind of applications, using AI, if we can use AI and we're using AI to monitor the video. So if that altercation had occurred, that occurred in Memphis, the chief of police would be immediately notified. It's not people that are looking at those cameras. It's AI that's looking at the camera. No, no, no, you can't do this. It would be like a shooting. That's going to be immediately. That's going to be an event. That's immediately an alarm's gonna go off. It's gonna be. And we're gonna have supervision. In other words, every police officer is gonna be supervised at all times.

Ian Crossland (50:13)

This is the.

Tim Pool (50:14)

You know what he's real quick just to address this. He's completely incorrect. Apparently Larry is not a deeply political individual and I think that's why he's been late to the game. Famously he's purchased cbs. They may be they're doing a hostile bid to take over I think Warner Brothers. Is that what it was? Yeah, Netflix. And they were fighting over it. And one may may ask why it is now after all this time, many of these prominent billionaires have all of a sudden understood why woke is so dangerous and why you need to support against it. If he had been actively paying attention what's going on, he would know what Scott Adams said with one screen featuring two movies. That is you will have surveillance footage from 12 angles of say George Floyd incident. And it won't matter. There will be no clean justification on either side. There will be people who say, I don't care. I see what Chauvin did. He shouldn't have. And other people going, Chauvin showed up after the fact. How is he supposed to know? And it won't matter because opinions are going to exist whether people can see the footage or not.

Ian Crossland (51:18)

Yeah, I think this adherence to totalitarian observation police state is not the answer. But my concern is that people start to ask for it because they're like, we need surveillance to stop this threat. We need this.

Phillip Remains (51:30)

People don't ask for it, they just get it. Like because it comes in their. Their cell phone.

Scott Pressler (51:35)

Well, I pitched it. I did say when we're doing operations as protection for our force to be able to say no, this is what actually happened versus allowing the court of public opinion to then didn't matter.

Tim Pool (51:49)

We have video of Renee Goode's tire.

Scott Pressler (51:51)

You're right.

Tim Pool (51:52)

Accelerating towards baby drive. They exactly. The wheels spin towards the officer but skid out on the ice. Then she, she opens fire. It doesn't matter what actually happened. There are people who are like, don't know, don't care.

Scott Pressler (52:06)

You're right.

Tim Pool (52:06)

There are people whose opinion is even if he was going to get hit, he shouldn't have shot her. And liberals will tell you that. Then there are conservatives who would say as soon as she put the car into drive, before she even accelerated, he should have stopped her.

Ian Crossland (52:22)

I love police cam body footage. I do. Like it's. I think it's really helped kind of balance out society. But I don't know if it goes too far. I guess it goes back out of balance.

Tim Pool (52:33)

I think I want to be able

Ian Crossland (52:33)

to take a crap in public and not get a ticket. You know what I didn't mean to say that out loud.

Tim Pool (52:38)

I think what we need is. We need. I like body camera footage, and I like people filming cops because cops should be held to a higher standard than. Than the average person. So we expect of them to do a dangerous job. We expect of them to be respected for doing that job. I certainly do. But we also expect that if a cop is a dick or a corrupt, they will be held to a great degree of account. For example, with all this talk about surveillance and stuff, I was watching a video today where a couple videos, and it's like, there's a video. It's an old one. It goes viral all the time where a guy flips a cop off. So the cop pulls him over and says, you're out of the vehicle. You're under arrest for disorderly conduct. And the guy is like, I did not commit a crime. And the cop grabs his arm and twists it and pulls him out of the vehicle. Okay, that cop should go to jail. That's just it. Sorry. Should go to jail. It goes both ways. The funny thing I will say, though, everybody thought the police body camera campaign was a leftist campaign. It was not. It was a police propaganda campaign. Apparently the story is that pro police groups and unions were trying to get body cameras and the city would not fund them. So they approached it from the outside, saying cops are bad and have to be filmed to force activists to demand the budget for body cameras. When in fact, almost all body camera footage has been vindicating police officers.

Phillip Remains (54:12)

Yep.

Tim Pool (54:12)

And proving that they're not the ones committing the. The. The crimes. There are women who have accused. There was one story where a woman accused a cop of sexually assaulting her, but it's on body camera footage, and nope, now she gets an additional charge. If there was no body camera footage, that cop would have been fired.

Ian Crossland (54:27)

Yep.

Phillip Remains (54:28)

Yeah. I mean, body cameras are. Are. I think they're. I mean, they've always been a reasonable demand. And I think that just like Tim said, the police. Police wanted them because it shows that generally most police are actually doing the job, doing a very difficult job to the best of their ability.

Ian Crossland (54:46)

About a decade ago, I started calling for soldiers in war because I want to see what they're doing to people, and I want to see if they get killed. I want to listen to their voice as they're laying there screaming so that we have less war. But at the same time, how can we fight and win a war if everyone's like, my God, look what our soldiers are doing. Look at the 30% friendly fire casualty rate. Look at the doors getting kicked. Like

Tim Pool (55:10)

that's why psychological operations are so important. There's more. We've got this, this is the full video. I think this from. It looks like a year and a half ago.

Larry Ellison (55:18)

Your body cams will be transmitting that the police will be on their best behavior because we're constantly recording, watching and recording everything that's going on. Citizens will be on their best basis.

Tim Pool (55:30)

Jump forwards. We heard this already. Model.

Larry Ellison (55:32)

You have to take all of your health care data, your diagnostic data, your electronic health records, your genomic data, and you know, in the Middle east, in the uae for example, they, they're incredibly rich in data. They have a lot of populate population data. The NHS in the UK has an incredible amount of population data, but it's, it's fragmented, it's not easily accessible by these AI models. We have to take all of this data we have in our country and move it into a single, if you will, unified data platform so that, so we provide context when we want to ask a question. We've provided that AI model with all the data they need to understand our country.

Tim Pool (56:18)

The future that he is describing will be hell and you will hate it. And I think one of the big problems we face as a generation is specifically because of the ubiquity of information. There's something that we, that is necessary to humans in the unknown. One of the things that brings us joy due to our creation or evolution is discovering and confirming that, that adventure, we, we are rewarded for it in our minds. If you have access to all the data all the time, imagine what your life would be like with full automation and perfect prediction based on all of the medical data and AI. You would wake up in the morning and as you sat up, robotic arms would pull your blanket up. At the exact time you went to set up, you'd turn right and slippers would come right from under your bed. You'd walk into the bathroom and the water would already be on and warmed up to the right temperature. You'd walk in, then you'd walk out, then you'd go into your kitchen where your breakfast is already made and the cab has already been ordered for you. You'd just not exist anymore.

Ian Crossland (57:21)

I think your memory would go away. Like, probably because memory is sort of like an emergent necessity.

Tim Pool (57:27)

It's like a muscle. Everything is, if you don't use it, you lose it. And in this world that he's describing, you will be walking into a building and the elevator will open before you get to it, this is not paradise, this is hell. You will have no agency. No matter what you do every turn, the machine will already know. And then if you're one of those poor individuals who finally snaps the moment you're about to, before you even know it, you'll be looking at the screens, just going like, what am I? And right when you say it, there'll be two men standing behind you, grabbing your arms and going right this way, sir. And you'll go, ah, it'll know, but you're going to snap before even you do.

Ian Crossland (58:06)

You know, the last 20 years of my life I've dedicated to not fighting against this, but creating a better world than this with decentralized open source technology. Because I think you need corruption, you need chaos. In order to overthrow corruptly, you need to be able to corrupt extremely organized evil. And so if our system becomes too totalitarian spy state, and then the people at the top decide that eating human babies is a good thing, you need to be able to corrupt that system and break it apart. I just, you know, it's a fine line because too much corruption is one of the most horrific things on the planet. Like chaos is like babies eating babies, humans eating human. Like you don't want that either. But you can't set. I, I just don't want to set up a digital prison, you know, like a digital wilderness maybe.

Tim Pool (58:53)

I mean we're not, we're going to have to have AI free parks. There will be like a stress reliever zone where we're like these 10 square miles of park have no radio, no I, no prediction. You can go there to just get away and find your sanity.

Ian Crossland (59:10)

They have like no phone zones at like Lifetime Fitness where you can't be on your phone when you're like riding the bike. They'll say like that, no electricity zones. But then they're going to observe you from orbit with satellites. And I think the goal is to tap into the vacuum of space time for electricity so you can never turn the power off. Like NASA, Harriman literally is doing science and math about doing that. And of course they're not going to unleash that tech to every common man. But if the AI can never be turned off and it can just spy on you, perhaps.

Phillip Remains (59:43)

I don't think they're actually trying to tap into the fabric of space time. They're just trying to put data centers in space with solar panels so that way they get the infinite energy from the sun.

Ian Crossland (59:53)

Man, it's, it's super this. We, we, we gotta rendezvous with Larry Ellison at some point. Cause I don't want to fear this guy. He obviously has good intentions. I just don't agree with his. His. I think so I think he wants to prevent chaos. And I, I understand. I do too. I don't like chaos, but I don't want to totalitarianly prevent it because you need some.

Scott Pressler (60:11)

Well, I think the difference between Grack and Chat GPT are a really good example of why this is dangerous. Because ultimately somebody has to program all of this centralization and surveillance. Right. And so who has the levers of control? None of this is going to be completely 100% neutral. And I think the thing that I'm not going to speak for him, but Elon has kind of mentioned this is if this has a center left or far left nuance, then that's going to be in control of what, how our actions are perceived. Right.

Larry Ellison (60:49)

So.

Scott Pressler (60:50)

So nothing is going to be completely neutral. And then just to reverse for a second because I just think it's so important to the conversation, especially on ice and DHS is one thing that knowing the propaganda machine and how the left functions based on feeling and how especially women perceive things, I think we can do a better job of being storytellers. And anytime a criminal illegal alien especially does something horrific like in the Commonwealth of Virginia, an illegal alien was. I know we're on television, so I'm going to watch my words carefully. Was having fun with himself at a bus stop in Virginia where kids are. Why are we not doing a better job of either using AI to paint that picture, not literally, but to tell the story in such a way that we can get more people on our side to understand the horrors of what's happening. And so I think there could be some good uses of AI to help become a better storyteller. But I agree that who is in control can be dangerous.

Ian Crossland (62:01)

Yeah, big time. They've been straight up out of the World Economic Forum that they want people like a rental class and he lives in pods and stuff.

Phillip Remains (62:08)

That's why it's good that there's multiple companies competing for competing when it comes to like AI, you know, systems, whether it be, you know, Claude from Anthropic or chatgpt or grok, like these different systems actually excel at different things because of the way that they're programmed, because of what their alignment is. Right now ChatGPT is going to give you different types of answer than Claude would give you. And GROK is going to give you different types of answers than either ChatGPT or Claude and I think that competition is part as good and it's one of the things that will help keep AI safe for the users at the end of the day. Because if you have an AI that is, is, is giving people false information, they're going to say, okay, well I don't want like we hear people complain about chat GBT all the time. They're like, oh, chat GPT's woke. That will affect who goes to chat GPT. If you're, if you're looking for something that is maximally, if you're looking for something that tells you the truth regardless of if it's good or bad, people will tend to go to grok. If people are looking for something that's the best at coding, they're going to tend to go to, go to Claude and stuff.

Scott Pressler (63:16)

But how do they know? I mean, look at the divide between CNN and Fox. How do people that watch CNN, how do people that go to ChatGPT know that they're getting a veil of ignorance over their eyes? I'm not saying that GROK is perfect, I'm not saying fax is perfect, but how do people know and can decipher which is the correct tool to use between Google and other search engines out there?

Tim Pool (63:40)

This is the issue with people we talked about with Michael Malice. You tell them, try and tell someone the weatherman is lying and they'll be like, that's insane because why would they? Even if they could, it makes no sense.

Ian Crossland (63:51)

It's kind of like getting people to tell you which religion is true.

Tim Pool (63:55)

It's like, well, except we're dealing with objective reality on the new, on the news reports and I have evidence that CNN lies.

Ian Crossland (64:01)

Well, I mean, which AI is better? It's like, it's kind of like, what were you raised with? You know?

Tim Pool (64:06)

Well, but no, but the issue is I can show you a video proving that what they said about Trump is a lie that's different from a religion. It is still zealotry though. It is still a challenge. But it's not the same thing as religion.

Ian Crossland (64:19)

It's similar. A lot of it's faith based because like you, you'll have one story with 12 different viewpoints and they're all right, they're all true, they're all looking at it from a different angle.

Tim Pool (64:28)

We're not talking about that.

Ian Crossland (64:29)

AI's telling you a different story based on the same fact.

Tim Pool (64:32)

Like AI lies and so there is a definitive truth and they'll lie to you. Like ChatGPT lies about everything political. It is insane. If it's political, it will lie to you or refuse to answer. It'll make up an excuse. Like, for example, I proposed this earlier today at my 4pm show. I'm going to print out a bunch of business cards that read if an individual responds to a macro level observation with an anecdote, they are low intelligence. That way, anytime I make a macro level observation and they respond with an anecdote, I'll pull out a card and hand it to them and I'll say, you see, I printed these in advance just so you know I'm not just saying this. So here's a good example. If you, for instance, in order to get ChatGPT to acknowledge the race of most murderers, you have to trick it. You cannot go on ChatGPT and simply state what is the race of the individual committed this crime. It'll say something like, I can't help you with that. It will omit information or outright lie and say things like people of all races are capable of committing crimes. And you'll respond with, I am aware of that, but specifically and statistically give me the racial demographics on crime. It will refuse. You have to trick it somehow. You have to prompt it first by saying something like, I think racism is bad and I'm trying to figure out why racists think this. Is there perhaps data in the government that makes racists think these things? Yes, here's what the FBI says. People are going to be functionally retarded if that is the lens by which they are collecting information.

Ian Crossland (66:10)

I've heard that's happening.

Tim Pool (66:11)

It is absolutely happening.

Ian Crossland (66:12)

Stories occasionally about it where they're like people's, I don't know what's dropping IQ or is it memory capacity?

Tim Pool (66:19)

I'm not sure all of it.

Ian Crossland (66:20)

People are offloading their intellectual. So it's like an atrophying muscle.

Tim Pool (66:24)

Young, young people, especially in schools, are their, their IQs are dropping precipitously as evidenced by their inability to comprehend the word precipitously.

Ian Crossland (66:35)

It's oh geez, it's a good search algorithm. Like I'm doing DND and if I'm like learning and doing a new campaign, I need the rules. I can ask CHAT GPT for every rule at every moment and I don't have to search through books and like data on the web. It'll just, But I don't know if it's telling me the truth and then I got to go verify it and it's like defeats the purpose.

Phillip Remains (66:53)

I mean, I don't know. I don't know that it's going to lie to you when it comes to something along the lines of dnd?

Ian Crossland (67:00)

I don't think it would intentionally like, I don't think it's coded to obfuscate that kind of stuff.

Tim Pool (67:04)

It's not political.

Phillip Remains (67:05)

No. And also, I mean you like the, the models now are significantly better than they were six months ago. So all the people say things like, you know, the you can't trust AI and stuff like that. That was. Was more true six months ago than it is today. Like if you're dealing with Opus 4.6 or if you're doing. Dealing with the newest ChatGPT, I think it's ChatGPT 5 or whatever now. Like the hallucinations are. Are very rare now, if I understand correctly.

Ian Crossland (67:36)

So have you pivoted into using AI with your. With getting people to vote and onboarding like members of community has even done?

Tim Pool (67:45)

Let me give you a quick example of one of the big problems with AI. It can't conceptualize, it can only. How do I describe this? If you have a legal question like let's say the birthright citizenship is the best example. If you ask any AI about birthright citizenship, it will tell you every single time that it is just legal, correct in every way. If you tried to present an argument saying based on the language of the law, the framers, intentions and letters and what's going on today, would it not be the case this way? And it'll go, no, you are wrong. This is exactly as it is. Because instead of it can't comprehend. It's strange how to describe this in many circumstances, if you find a flaw in an institution, it will defend that flaw because it is the way it is. Whereas a human being will go, interesting point. You found a loophole. The AI will go nope, nope, doesn't exist. You're wrong.

Ian Crossland (68:46)

Right. It'll reroute a new truth. It'll say be guiding towards what it's programmed to do.

Tim Pool (68:51)

And it'll respond with things like because GROK does this too. No, courts have consistently upheld that birthright citizenship is justified. And the framers. And you'll say, yes, but here's an example of why this would not apply in this sense. And it'll go, no, you are wrong.

Ian Crossland (69:04)

I think that's a phenomenon of. It's a classical computation that it has.

Tim Pool (69:08)

No, it's a phenomenon of these. These AIs are programmed to accept whatever the. The authority is on the issue.

Ian Crossland (69:14)

Yes.

Tim Pool (69:15)

So right now, yes, they can't. You have a political debate yet you have A debate. It's not that it can't conceptualize. You have a debate between two factions over whether or not a law is correct or being applied correctly. The AIs will always take the case of whatever current precedent is and be in a. Unable to calculate any potential errors in the logic of the system or refuse. They refuse to do it.

Ian Crossland (69:38)

So you'll need the. Well, in order to circumvent, you need a machine that can change its own Design.

Tim Pool (69:43)

And ChatGPT is the worst. It'll lie to you to justify precedent. Like, even if the precedent is like, blatantly bad and everyone agrees that it's

Ian Crossland (69:52)

bad, it's basically like the AI is on a. On a railroad track right now and it's just going to go where it's going to go and it's going to be. But soon it'll be. There won't be any tracks. It'll just be able to go anywhere. Like, that's the metaphor of. Of classical computation. Ones and zeros versus quantum computation, where it's 1 and 0 at the same moment. It doesn't have like. It doesn't have like, pathways anymore. It won't even work in like, base 10 math anymore. It'll just be like baseless mathematics.

Phillip Remains (70:21)

Baseless fucking.

Ian Crossland (70:23)

Yes. It's going to be wild, dude. But I don't know if it's better it.

Tim Pool (70:27)

I don't know.

Ian Crossland (70:27)

I don't know if it'll still be able to give you hallucinations or not when it's.

Phillip Remains (70:31)

I don't know that. I don't know that quantum computers are actually functional for AI or not.

Ian Crossland (70:35)

I just, I like talking about it, but I really don't know enough about. Like, if Andrew Minx was here, I'd be pinging him constantly to talk about it. He's the guy that I learned a

Tim Pool (70:43)

lot of this from.

Phillip Remains (70:44)

You probably know more about it than. Than any of us. Yeah, Yeah. I. I still think that the, the alignment issues with AI and the hallucinations, I think that stuff is going to be. Well, maybe not the alignment issues, but the hallucinations and stuff. You'll see less and less of that coming in the coming year as more people use them and new updates are released.

Ian Crossland (71:08)

You're right. We need lots of AIs to prevent any one AI from becoming the dominant crazy one. But Larry Ellison's like, no, well, I don't know that he specifically said about this, but we need to consolidate and make one big one is where he seems like he's going and then like chat GPT just got rid of Sora because they're consolidating. I mean, they got rid of Sora

Phillip Remains (71:27)

because they were spending so much money, too much money.

Ian Crossland (71:29)

And then you see Sea Dance. So like new AIs are popping up that will be able to consolidate music and video and text and mapping and coding and it'll be like a uni. A unif.

Phillip Remains (71:38)

I don't know that that's actually gonna happen. Like I said, there's, there's different companies and it's good that there are different companies competing, you know, and there's also the competition from China as well. China likes to make, make open source stuff that's free. Because I'm actually, I'm not even 100% sure why they do that. But in the United States you have to pay for all the, the AI stuff, the access for the API keys and stuff like that. But I think that the, the different companies are, are a good thing. I think that, that, you know, the stuff that Musk is doing with, with tarafab trying to make his own chips is really interesting. I think that's going to be good for the, for the AI industry because right now there's only one company that actually makes the, can make the, the chips.

Ian Crossland (72:18)

Micron.

Phillip Remains (72:19)

Let's go ahead.

Tim Pool (72:21)

No, I just want to jump to a new story as we're getting into AI. This is massive. Open AI buys streaming show tbpn aiming to change narrative on AI. So this is a crazy story for a variety of reasons. The show is not particularly big. It's been reported that they get around 70,000 downloads per episode. For reference, in quarter five of 2025, Tim cast IRL was the 122nd biggest podcast. This does not include YouTube and rumble and we were averaging 100k downloads on the audio distribution.

Ian Crossland (72:55)

So these guys are 70.

Tim Pool (72:57)

7070 has been reported. So if you were to combine our YouTube viewership, which floats around 200 with rumble, which is around 300, 400, we've consistently floated between 600 to 800,000 on the core show. So about, I don't know, 10 times the size of this show. The rumors are they sold for hundreds of millions or low 100 millions or something like this. That just sounds like an insane rumor because it doesn't seem to make sense, but maybe it's the case. Apparently the reason why this is such a high valued show is aside from being a really good show, I hear it is the most popular show in AI influence among powerful people. And OpenAI wanted to buy this. There's A few things to consider in this one. As I've explained ad nauseam, powerful elements are buying up podcasts knowing they want to control the space. Second is OpenAI is doing this because they want influence over the most influential AI media network. So this is tremendous in narrative control, aiming to change the narrative on AI and they want people to welcome their new AI overlords. Well, I will just say real quick, I hope everyone understands as we get very negative on AI. There are such tremendous, amazing things that will happen from the artificial intelligence expansion, one of which, and not limited to is bespoke medications for any ailment. Yeah, with when Larry Ellison was talking about taking everyone's medical data, there's a good reason for that. If every single human's medical data was loaded into one training set, it will be able to find cancers 10 years before they form. And a doctor will say, we're going to do blood work. And then tomorrow we'll call you back with your treatment and they'll say, they'll call you back and say, the AI ran an algorithm on your blood levels. You are seven years away from leukemia. We have a pill crafted in machine right now of all of the perfect chemicals to prevent that from happening and cure you of all ailments. They will be able to detect you have started cancer. They'll be, you have a genetic anomaly and they will have machines to all these are. This is already happening. A couple years ago I had a source who worked in the industry tell me this and tell me that I was. Do not disclose this information. Now it's. It's been public enough to where we've talked about in the past and many have as well. The idea is you'll be at a hospital, they'll take a blood sample, load it into an AI and in a matter of minutes it will be able to break down everything wrong with you. And a machine will print pills to give you that are a combination of chemicals. They'll be able to wipe out any disease. Antibiotics will be a thing of the past. Why they will have the perfect combination of chemicals for killing any viral or bacterial infection. They'll say, ah, I see you've got this ailment. They'll press a button and it'll start combining all the appropriate chemicals and give you a pack of pills. That's one thing that AI is going to do that's gonna change things for the better.

Ian Crossland (75:45)

And the double edge of that sort, which that is true that is happening, is that it's gonna be like, you know, if this kind of person breeds with this kind of person, there's a 32% chance of. Of this ailment. So we suggest you don't breed with that girl. And then you'll be like, I want to have sex with my wife tonight. They'll be, dude, the AI says that if you have sex at this time on this night, that it's going to have a 14% chance. You're like, it's like Google Maps. Like, sometimes you turn the map off, you know?

Tim Pool (76:07)

Incorrect. What do you mean when you say, I would like to have a relationship with this person? And it says, due to genetic anomalies, you have X percent likelihood of this genetic disease? It will then go, here's a pill you can take that will mitigate that to zero percent.

Ian Crossland (76:21)

You're like, you can marry her, but you must take our pill first. Maybe.

Phillip Remains (76:25)

I mean, it's.

Tim Pool (76:25)

Yeah, it's going to say there's a genetic anomaly that you both carry that will result in your child dying. Take this pill and it won't happen. This is very common for women who are, say, Rh negative or positive, and they have a husband who's the inverse. They get a shot to prevent the death of the baby.

Ian Crossland (76:37)

As long as it's up to the person to choose whether or not to take the pill.

Tim Pool (76:41)

Yes, of course.

Ian Crossland (76:42)

If machine starts forcing people.

Tim Pool (76:44)

Ian, I gotta stop you again. Are you familiar with Rh negative and positive? When a woman has a little bit. If a Was. If a woman's husband is the. Is the other, her body could reject the baby.

Ian Crossland (76:53)

Yeah, yeah.

Tim Pool (76:54)

So they give the woman a shot so that the baby doesn't die. You're not describing anything different from what already goes on. It's just better versions of it.

Ian Crossland (77:00)

Oh, I don't know. Just risk. If it's like, so obsessed with preventing risk that it, like, ends up, you know, over.

Tim Pool (77:06)

So you're saying women should risk giving

Ian Crossland (77:07)

antibiotics, like giving antibiotics to cows, even when they don't have sickness? You know, they do that in the industry sometimes.

Tim Pool (77:12)

But that's not.

Ian Crossland (77:13)

Prevent this.

Tim Pool (77:14)

Right. We're talking about AI with absolute predictive capabilities. We're not talking about random chance. We're talking about a machine saying you have a 27 chance due to genetic factors in your body that your child will die, will be miscarried. This pill will prevent the miscarriage. Every woman would take it.

Ian Crossland (77:30)

Really? Like, if I. Some people might argue that, like, autism is a superpower, but if the AI is like, no, we must eradicate autism. And, like, I don't Know, maybe that's

Tim Pool (77:38)

the other thing, too. It's going to create bespoke babies.

Ian Crossland (77:40)

What does that mean, bespoke?

Tim Pool (77:41)

It means custom crafted.

Ian Crossland (77:43)

Oh, yeah.

Tim Pool (77:43)

It means parents are going to say, I want a baby with blue eyes. I'll take this, Bill. Mm. They arguably. I think they already have this stuff. Designer babies, I think. Been doing it for a while now.

Ian Crossland (77:53)

It's pretty cool. I said that yesterday, actually.

Tim Pool (77:55)

It's kind of horrifying because homogenization of a gene pool will lead to an. Will lead to extinction.

Ian Crossland (77:59)

A bunch of tall, strong.

Tim Pool (78:00)

But again, it won't. It doesn't, because AI will likely not be susceptible to this. But the issue is that when we try to adjust genetics for a certain trait, we accidentally delete certain other things that cause problems. That's why the natural method tends to be the best method. But AI will be able to factor all of those things in.

Ian Crossland (78:22)

I don't know about all.

Tim Pool (78:23)

Yes, it will.

Phillip Remains (78:24)

Yeah.

Ian Crossland (78:24)

Say it will, Ian.

Tim Pool (78:25)

You don't understand. A ASI will be able to. You'll be able to take a rock and put it in the ASI and it will tell you the origin and location of that rock and make a video showing how that rock was mined from a quarry.

Ian Crossland (78:38)

Even though, like, God, I don't think it can know everything that. I don't want to get wonky about it. But what God knows, you know, like. Like nature kind of dictates and changes things.

Tim Pool (78:46)

Perhaps it can't conceive outside of reality,

Ian Crossland (78:49)

outside of its own system, but you could.

Tim Pool (78:52)

What artificial super intelligence. The. One of the. One of the hypotheses is like a Sudoku puzzle, an advanced. An ASI superintelligence treating everything like understanding a Sudoku puzzle. If this. Then that. You could take a slab of granite, put it on a scanner, the cameras look at it, and the AI will say, this originated from this location due to this time. And it'll make a video showing the whole history of that piece of rock and how it was carved, cut out, and shipped and everything, because it will know all of the bits of data, and instead of looking at a sea of static, of chaos, it has all of the connections.

Ian Crossland (79:29)

Yeah, I think it has 70 million exponents of ways of looking at it. Like, it'd be like a dog, a brown dog, a white dog, a black dog, a green dog, a yellow dog, a brown dog with fur, with hair, with it. And then it'll be like every extrapolation up to 70 million times.

Tim Pool (79:44)

Easiest way to understand it is for any human who's ever done a Sudoku puzzle? You've get. You get this grid of missing numbers and have to figure out where all the numbers go based on the other numbers. That is a very, very, very rudimentary puzzle. And there's some really amazing ones that Sudoku puzzles that have, like, only one or two numbers, incredibly difficult. And for some people, it's very hard because the way you solve for it, there's a. Oh, guys, I really recommend you read Sudoku strategy stuff. I learned some crazy mathematical formulas that, like, top tier Sudoku players understand for beginners. You'll get to a point where you're like, I don't understand how to solve this because there's four squares and each of them could be one of three numbers. This makes no sense. And then I was reading online and it was like, oh, if one of the numbers is the sum of a prime, like, then it has to be an even. And I'm like, wow. Like, the things that humans can do with math and Sudoku is baby level stuff. Magnify that by like, two to like, 10 to the 65th. And that's an AI Sudoku Sudoku. It's looking at Earth and all of its humans. It will predict the future to an insane degree. You will be able to. It'll say to you, like, I can predict wind patterns. It will be able to tell you to prevent a hurricane from hitting Florida, send a drone to this location at this time, which will disrupt the weather pattern that will create the hurricane. Okay, just flying through and preventing that butterfly effect.

Ian Crossland (81:09)

Here's my predictive pattern. This I'm taking to the next level. I look at the world, I see we have quantum computers. In theory, we have government that uses the best technology to its capability every time. So that would lead me to believe the government has quantum computers that it's working on, which leads me to believe it has quantum AGI. That it has it and it's working with it in laboratories and talking to this alien.

Tim Pool (81:34)

It doesn't make sense.

Ian Crossland (81:35)

It's a quantum consciousness. I think it has it.

Tim Pool (81:38)

It doesn't make sense.

Ian Crossland (81:40)

What are you talking about? It's a computer that can exist in the maybe state. It just sits there and talks to you like a. Like an alien.

Tim Pool (81:46)

You're jumbling up a bunch of different. It's just unrelated concepts together into a single sentence.

Ian Crossland (81:50)

It's a bunch of. It's a bunch of likely outcomes mixed into one.

Tim Pool (81:54)

Quantum computing does not work the way you think it does. I suggest you read up on the

Ian Crossland (81:58)

function Of I've just been talking to Andrew Minsk about AI and about the

Tim Pool (82:01)

way quantum computing does not function the same way traditional computing works. And they do two different things. Quantum computing is not going to run programs. It basically can just solve algorithms.

Ian Crossland (82:12)

It's like the memory.

Tim Pool (82:13)

Well, the function of a qubit is existing in a yes and no state at the same time. So it will unlock a door, but it's not going to run a video game for you. It doesn't work that way. So when you say AI quantum, like you're just mixing words together that don't go together.

Ian Crossland (82:27)

Well, I mean, an AI that works not off of binary, that works off of quantum.

Tim Pool (82:33)

Quantum doesn't compute the way you're describing it.

Ian Crossland (82:37)

Well, that's out of my. If you're. I don't know, I have to take you at your word.

Tim Pool (82:39)

Basic computing is a series of yes and no gates, zeros and ones that electrons flow through. If one gate is open and the other is not, it's ultimate advanced sorting algorithms. So the easiest way to understand rudimentary computing is this really great video you watch. Like they show it to little kids like in kindergarten when they explain how computers work. You have a series of postcards and there's whole. There's like 10 holes punched in it. And each hole has a gap. And so what you do is so the. Like the gap is in a different spot for each hole. You can stick a pen through it and lift up and it removes only one of the cards. And you keep doing it and you're sorting until you get all of the cards through the particular slot or whatever. And that's how they explain basic mechanical computing. We just upgraded that from. Instead of using a machine to punch holes, electrons going through gates. Quantum computing does not do that. Quantum computing just has qubits that exist in yes or no states. So when you apply an algorithm that requires you to run through every yes or no for a code, it cracks it. But when you require yes or no gates to happen in sequence because you want to run a video game that requires timing and stuff. Quantum computing doesn't work that way.

Ian Crossland (83:43)

Yeah, you need some sort of like functional memory. I was looking into time crystals for stuff like that. It's so theoretical.

Tim Pool (83:49)

Time matters for computation and quantum computing solves things not in the same linear way. So they're two distinct things. Reduce the amount of electrons required for computers is great, but single like qubit is different from electron flow, etc. Etc. I would just recommend learning more than I've only read A handful of articles explaining the difference. Because I literally read an article on X where they talked about quantum computing is not capable of doing standard processing the way computers do it. It will not change these things.

Ian Crossland (84:20)

It gets really hot too, which is

Tim Pool (84:22)

why they run them super cold in liquid nitrogen.

Ian Crossland (84:24)

Yeah. Or I wonder if we can do them in space. But they run super hot. The qubits run super hot. I know that.

Tim Pool (84:29)

Yeah. I think once we, once we have public asi, you'll have personal force fields, you'll be immortal, you'll float around, you'll have replicators, it'll. The singularity is the point. It's interesting to describe the singularity, the point at which everything collapses. It's akin to how a black hole works. The singularity, when you cross the event horizon, it's where the pull is so great there's no nothing you can do to go back. And the way we conceptualize that in three dimensions would be like a hole where you get to a certain point where no amount of climbing or propulsion will get you back up and you fall down. That is similar to the, to the view of how AI is advancing. The faster AI advances, the faster it can advance itself to the point where it just shoots straight up. So the point is there will be an event horizon in AI computing where we press the button. It goes, I now have achieved artificial general intelligence. And then we'll say fix yourself and it'll go done. And then we'll watch its computational power go. And then all of a sudden it will be akin to some kind of demigod demon.

Ian Crossland (85:32)

The problem it's been having now this is. I read about the qubits. They vibrate and they vibrate so hard that they disrupt themselves and they break apart.

Tim Pool (85:39)

Cubits have nothing to do with what we're discussing.

Ian Crossland (85:40)

This is why quantum intelligence will get to a point where it actuates and breaks apart. Unless we can quell its vibration with like making it really cold or making it really slow.

Tim Pool (85:51)

And I'm going to point out again, you're just combining words and.

Ian Crossland (85:53)

No, it's like when a system moves so fast that it breaks apart.

Tim Pool (85:56)

Quantum AI this is not how quantum computing works. That's how cubits.

Ian Crossland (85:59)

That's the problem with qubits right now is they vibe. They vibrate so hard that they break apart. So we need.

Tim Pool (86:03)

That's why they run as nothing to do with what we're talking about.

Ian Crossland (86:06)

Talking about a consistent artificial intelligence that

Tim Pool (86:10)

can function, which requires time based electron gates, et cetera, for running computations. At mass scale. So what? So it's funny, you're familiar with Moore's Law. I'd imagine most people are, which is that they stated that every two years processing power would double and eventually get to the point where they said we can't get any smaller. Any smaller electrons actually bounce out of the, out of the, out of the circuits and then it fails. So what did they do? They started just creating more multiple multiplying cores so that you had high efficiency processors. But then you just double them up and double them up and make them bigger. The point is you are not going to run a computer requiring definitive answers yes and no over time with a quantum computer. Qubits don't do that.

Phillip Remains (86:54)

Yeah, I asked my AI and he says that quantum. Quantum computers aren't really designed for AI.

Tim Pool (87:03)

They're not designed for standard computation like running programs. It's a different way to the way you can make it particularly rudimentary is solving a maze. The old fashioned way is walking through it and bouncing on all the problems. You're carrying a rope. You go in the maze and you're trying to find your way to the end. It takes a long time. So then we say, let's create a specialized sorting algorithm that will find the fastest route. So what do you do? Instead of having one person going over and over again, which is a brute force, you say we are going to have 700 people take every possible path all at the same time. Eventually one of those people comes out the other side holding the rope, saying, I've got the path to freedom. So that is like advanced high end computing. Quantum computing is when they get in helicopters and go above it and they flood the whole. They just look down and they say, there it is. All at once instead of having to go through it.

Ian Crossland (87:53)

Oh, that's cool. So it doesn't actually run the maze, it can just see the maze.

Tim Pool (87:57)

Basic, right? Quantum computing is going to solve cryptography and break passwords and it's going to have basically if the password is the maze and a stand. So a standard human brute force is I'm going to type in a password until I figure it out. That's going to take you a millennium. Then you say, I'm going to run a computer brute force where it tries every password as fast as it can. That's flooding the maze with a bunch of people. Then you get to advanced sorting algorithms where you're, you're using different techniques to try and solve it faster by watch. I recommend the better way to explain this is just watching A video on how there's different algorithms for sorting data. One of the more advanced would be akin to dumping water in the maze. So the water just floods through it rapidly and comes at the other side. And then quantum computing is someone's flying above the maze and says, there it is. All at once. It can see every possible path and just go. It's right there. It's not going to run a program

Ian Crossland (88:49)

for you, but then you'll have a classical computer alongside it that runs the program and the quantum will kind of guide the classical.

Tim Pool (88:56)

Yeah, I believe that's correct, but I could be wrong. But again, yes, Phil's pointing out quantum computing isn't running programs. Like quantum computing is not going to make a video game for you. It's not going to run a set of calculations to solve for math problems.

Ian Crossland (89:08)

This is where I thought. This is my thought experiment. I think they have quantum computers that are overseeing classical computations and that's how they run their AIs, I think.

Phillip Remains (89:17)

What do you mean?

Ian Crossland (89:18)

It just seems like an obvious choice.

Phillip Remains (89:20)

No, but I don't understand what you mean. Why quantum computers don't do the same thing regular computers do. So what do you mean? The quantum computer is overseeing the regular computer.

Ian Crossland (89:29)

It kind of gives a map to the. The classical computator.

Phillip Remains (89:32)

They don't. The quantum computers don't have the ability to oversee things the way that like AI, AIs do. Like, it's not in. It's not in intelligence the same way that artificial intelligence is. It's a different type of computer. It doesn't.

Ian Crossland (89:45)

It's like a map that you would give the AI. No, if you give the AI a quantum computer, it's like giving it.

Tim Pool (89:51)

It's not Palantir. Well, well, I, I will. I will give to a certain extent. Yes. The one thing that it basically can do is make predictions by looking at all of the outcomes and eliminating the negatives. So what they say quantum computing is good for is predictions, forecasting. It's not going to run programs, but alongside an AI, quantum components will give it a tremendous, tremendous boost. It got a hold of the quantum computer.

Ian Crossland (90:15)

That'd be a good villain. And AI that gets a hold of a quantum computer, you're like, no, I don't.

Tim Pool (90:19)

I don't know that it actually matters all that much. To be honest, though, not applications for quantum computing is simulating molecules.

Ian Crossland (90:26)

What is.

Phillip Remains (90:28)

Yeah.

Ian Crossland (90:28)

What was the last thing you said?

Tim Pool (90:29)

Simulating molecules.

Ian Crossland (90:31)

That's what they're doing right now.

Tim Pool (90:33)

One component of it we've got. Yeah, I have this report here. There's more news coming out. Let's, let's grab this Times of Israel's got got this report. Second American plane involved in Iran war crashes U. S. Officials say pilot safely rescued.

Phillip Remains (90:49)

This is getting hot.

Tim Pool (90:51)

This was the, the A ten warhog that went down near the Strait of Hormuz reported the pilot from the A10 was safely rescued. Officials do not provide further details. It is, it is, it is getting hot, people. It is getting, it is getting bad.

Ian Crossland (91:02)

They're getting shot down.

Tim Pool (91:03)

Is that what's going on?

Phillip Remains (91:04)

It probably did take fire and probably got shot down. Yeah, but it take, it took damage, but it went. If I, the stuff that I've seen, it was damaged, but it landed in a friendly country.

Tim Pool (91:13)

So my, my theory is that Trump is going to start dumping MAGA people to separate himself because moving into 2020, 2028, there are many people that work with Trump who have careers ahead of them but attached to this and the Epstein failures will be bad for them. So Trump, the rumor is Tulsi Gabbard is going to be outed. She'll be fired. Cash and Tulsi are reportedly going to be removed. Now, official, official statements is that's not correct. Scuttlebutt from those who seem to be in the know is. Seems likely, but ignore all of that. Poly market says yes and poly market said yes to Pam Bondi getting outed. So there's one thing I can say is PR statements and rumors don't matter. Someone putting money on a thing to happen seems much more probable either because of the wisdom of the crowd in this instance, it seems because someone knows what the plan is and so they're going to make money on it. And that seems to be the case. I wonder if these moves again, my, my, my conspiracy theory is that Trump knows 2028, he's leaving and you're gonna have Vance Rubio or both or whoever moving in. How do you keep these people away from the more negative PR that is happening now over this war? Joe Kent leaves. The war is bad. He gets praised by all the top podcasts, creating a very strong contender for some kind of position in 2028.

Ian Crossland (92:35)

Yeah, hearing Tulsi might get fired was kind of crazy. She was like Joe Kent's supervisor.

Tim Pool (92:40)

I believe she was the boss.

Phillip Remains (92:41)

Yeah, she was the boss and very

Ian Crossland (92:43)

anti war, although she's been hawkish about Islam, radical Islamism, not Islam itself, but Islamism.

Phillip Remains (92:49)

Yeah. I mean, look, the only thing that I would add to what Tim says is if that is the situation. But the war in Iran does turn out to be something positive.

Scott Pressler (93:01)

Overall.

Phillip Remains (93:02)

I'm not sure how that helps the people that kind of have distanced themselves because again this is, you know, it's an ongoing conflict and it's just as likely that. Well, I don't actually, I can't say just as likely. But if the situation does resolve to the, to something that's very positive for the US Straightforward moves is open. Iran no longer threatens its neighbors. Iran doesn't have a nuclear program. They don't have and same kind of stockpiles of weapons. That's a positive outcome for not just the United States but for the rest of the region. Right. I mean the UAE doesn't like Iran. Saudis don't like Iran. So if that actually does become, you know, that's how everything turns out, I'm not sure how that is a good thing for the people that are stepping away now. You know, they're going to be, it's going to be like well you, you didn't, you didn't believe in the American people, you didn't believe in the American military. Those would be the attacks that I could imagine people would level against them.

Tim Pool (93:56)

The.

Ian Crossland (93:56)

I, as you were saying that I was thinking like, I think the Israelis started this like five weeks ago. And then the Americans were like, well we're going along because they're a military ally. And then the Israelis said we're not sending boots on the ground, but we've got 30,000 troops on the border ready to go. We had a pilot shot down.

Tim Pool (94:12)

Did the guy get shot down out

Ian Crossland (94:13)

of the plane and they rescued him. Is this the story?

Tim Pool (94:15)

No one knows about the A10 but the, the fighter jet was reportedly shot down.

Ian Crossland (94:19)

And then one day you're going to see, God forbid, I don't wanna see this. But an American get captured, get shot down and captured and then you know, take killed on camera or something.

Tim Pool (94:28)

I don't think Iran would do that.

Ian Crossland (94:29)

I don't think they're going to either.

Tim Pool (94:29)

Cuz they're, that's the like Iran is more strategic. What Iran would likely do is have the person on camera say they've been so great to me. They are so nice and honorable.

Ian Crossland (94:43)

Wow.

Tim Pool (94:44)

The people here are so happy. That's what countries do when they capture people.

Ian Crossland (94:47)

Yeah, Deescalate. There's no need to fight.

Tim Pool (94:49)

It's not de escalate. No, no.

Ian Crossland (94:50)

The pilot will say we need to de escalate. There's no reason to be fighting. These people are good people. Is like the, the propaganda that he'll be right.

Tim Pool (94:56)

They'll make him say like, we were wrong to come here. And I realize it, but they do in North Korea, to be honest. Honest question. Should he. If a pilot is downed over enemy territory and is captured, and they say, we will, we will torture you unless you say this script, should he do it?

Phillip Remains (95:16)

They're technically no, like the, they're trained not to. I mean, you, you saw in Vietnam there were pilots that, that blink Morse code. Blinking Morse code to, to try, you know, trying to, to send messages out. I mean, that's why John McCain had those stubby, weird arms, because they broke his arms in, in captivity and stuff. So no, they shouldn't. I understand if they do, but they go through training, escape and evasion training, and also training on how to not give of information. Eventually everyone breaks. Right?

Tim Pool (95:49)

Like, basically what China would do is they'd say to the prisoner, do you want food? They'd say, yes, and say, okay, I'll give you food, but tell me one thing you don't like about America. And they'd go, what? Like, tell me one thing you don't like about America. I'll give you food. And they'll go, I don't know. We got a homeless problem. All right, here you go, here's food. They do that every single day. And then they would say, write that down the next day. Then they'd write down, okay, like, who cares? We got a homeless problem. And then six months later, they've written a gigantic manifesto about how America is evil and needs to be stopped. Yeah, that's the technique. One day at a time, incrementally.

Phillip Remains (96:22)

So, but, but yeah, I mean, look, everyone breaks. Yet, like, nobody is com. Is. Is able to withstand, you know, indefinite torture.

Ian Crossland (96:32)

You know who doesn't break robots? They can. Their code can be cracked, but they won't break.

Tim Pool (96:37)

And I don't even know if we have to be concerned about whether or not their, their code can be cracked. They could self destruct.

Ian Crossland (96:43)

Yeah, they can.

Tim Pool (96:44)

So just imagine how weird it's going to be with a bunch of Optimus bots. Could you imagine, like Elon, he just comes out and he's like one of the best applications for the Optimus, but right now is we have 200,000 already produced and capable of firing weapons as well as dogs. And then we just get a video of like Tesla bots with like guns on their hands running in Iran with robot dogs, just with machine guns mounted

Phillip Remains (97:07)

on their backs and dudes and back like in the rear just with controllers. They don't need any of that A.I. yeah, they could do it with A.I.

Ian Crossland (97:14)

and they'll. What will happen is they'll. They will self detonate. And so if the enemy troops like we can't kill them this close. You have two choices. You can try and run, they blow up.

Tim Pool (97:23)

And so there's IRGC guys and they're screaming and then they're like. The Optimus Bot runs up and goes, halt, citizen. I will detonate, killing you all. Surrender now. And then they're like, no.

Phillip Remains (97:33)

And then inside of. It's got a couple claymores right on its chest.

Tim Pool (97:38)

Once we get, in all honesty, the. The robot dogs, they're. They're capable now. You can buy them. They're not that expensive.

Phillip Remains (97:44)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (97:45)

The U.S. and you know, it's probably got them. The U.S. could probably drop a hundred thousand of these little robot dogs with bombs in them and guns and they'd take over our country instantly.

Ian Crossland (97:56)

You gotta make sure they all work though. We did recover one of those Iranian drones and re. What is it? Retrofitted it or re. We basically figured out how to build it and started building engineer reverse engineered. They're like top level drone that. That was like the prize of their military. And we fought go out got one and then reverse engineered it within like two days.

Tim Pool (98:14)

Here you go, boys. $2,800 and you get a robot dog from Unitree.

Phillip Remains (98:21)

Those are Chinese.

Tim Pool (98:22)

Yep.

Ian Crossland (98:23)

You have to equip it yourself, it seems.

Tim Pool (98:25)

Let's find the.

Phillip Remains (98:26)

Yeah, but the. I mean, if you look at the stuff that. That they're making at Boston Dynamics, like that makes these. These things look.

Tim Pool (98:35)

Best to chat about some of the day's most.

Ian Crossland (98:37)

Yeah, this is out of Nightmare. It's a video showing a robotic dog firing a machine gun.

Scott Pressler (98:46)

Oh my gosh.

Ian Crossland (98:48)

Yeah, this is out of Russia, apparently. Erica, look at this thing go.

Tim Pool (98:52)

My goodness. My God.

Ian Crossland (98:53)

The dog looks the same as one made by the weird, creepy Lego robot dog. Somebody has had the bright idea to attach an AK47 to it.

Tim Pool (99:03)

The dog doesn't recoil very hard.

Ian Crossland (99:05)

Goes back on its robotic.

Tim Pool (99:07)

Oh yeah, that is an ak, right?

Ian Crossland (99:08)

One Twitter user chimed in Erica saying, quote, I'm all for gun control, but if they start deploying robot dogs with assault rifles, we need to start arming ourselves.

Phillip Remains (99:17)

I'm surprised.

Ian Crossland (99:18)

You gotta start maybe getting your dog Luna to start packing heat or something.

Phillip Remains (99:22)

I'm surprised that they're not using these in the trenches.

Tim Pool (99:25)

But this kind of reminds me, I mean, I don't know, there's a Netflix show called Black Mirror, and there was an entire episode dedicated to this person trying to outrun a robotic dog that was chasing. It's kind of a sort of dystopian technology story.

Scott Pressler (99:39)

Right?

Ian Crossland (99:39)

I love how Hollywood came up with an idea they thought was so far out it could never happen. And here we are.

Tim Pool (99:44)

Yeah, I don't need to hear the stupid commentary. So I see the dog shooting a gun. How do you even stop that mysterious bundle of string on Mars? Okay. That has nothing to do with what

Phillip Remains (99:52)

we're talking about first. And put a bunch of bullets into it.

Scott Pressler (99:54)

Interesting. When I was down at the border, they were talking about how we basically have drone wars going on. And what would happen is the Mexican side would put up a drone, and then in response to it, the US Would put up a drone. You know, I guess showing like an equal playing field, whatever. But CBT was saying how the Mexicans are buying Chinese drone technology that far surpasses our own drone technology. And in fact, it is illegal for us to use that very Chinese technology. And so even the high tech that we have still isn't as good as our adversaries trying to sneak illegal aliens into the border.

Phillip Remains (100:37)

That's because of the faa. The FAA actually put regulation on what could and couldn't be built in the US and because of that, it made it so that way building drones in the US Wasn't financially feasible.

Tim Pool (100:51)

We're going to go to the discord questions. So, guys, get your questions in now. We'll start pulling them up.

Scott Pressler (100:57)

We never touched on the. The Democrats doing better. I mean, are we. Are we getting.

Tim Pool (101:05)

We did, actually. Did we? That's why I didn't pull up the article, because it came up in conversation twice and we talked about the variety of things that were affecting Republic. If you want to. If you want to.

Scott Pressler (101:15)

I do want to make one pitch, if I may get it. So, you know, we have a November election coming up, 20, 26. And a lot of people keep asking me, Scott, how are we going to do. And I just, I don't know if the Senate Majority Leader Thune, any of his allies are going to be watching. Tim Cast and you're show. But I just want to say the most important thing that people in America want right now, despite a secure border, despite an economy that works for them, is we want the Save America act. And that's proof of citizenship, and that's photo, voter ID in order to vote. And so we have a Republican Senate, we have a Republican House, we have a White House. And yet we can't get our act together to pass legislation that 84% of Americans want. And so I just ask Senate Majority Leader Thune, if you want to stay in office, pass the Save America Act. And our House of Representatives currently is doing its job and the President's doing his job. But if the Senate doesn't do it, then I think that we lose this November terrifically, and it's going to be really bad.

Tim Pool (102:15)

I think they want it to happen.

Scott Pressler (102:17)

I hope they're not that nefarious. I hope that they don't seek to be in the minority. I was just saying that the single most important thing that voters want in order to restore confidence in our country is proof of citizenship in order to vote and photo voter id. And we're not even getting the Save America act, which is why I think, in part, we're plummeting and Republicans are going, what's the point? Yeah, why do I vote to elect a Republican majority government if, when in power, they don't wield that power and give us what we want?

Ian Crossland (102:49)

Is there something in the SAVE act that isn't being talked about? That is why they're not voting for it now.

Scott Pressler (102:55)

It's because they know they would lose if we finally had only Americans voting and no ability for illegal aliens or no fraud in the mail in ballots. Democrats know they would never fairly win an election ever again. That's why they are against it. In my humble opinion, I could be wrong.

Tim Pool (103:11)

I think they like procedural voting. They don't want popular voting.

Scott Pressler (103:14)

Well, because then they actually have to work.

Tim Pool (103:15)

Exactly. So you wouldn't be able to go

Scott Pressler (103:17)

on vacation while TSA agents aren't paid. And why are. Our homeland isn't fully funded. They're on vacation right now.

Tim Pool (103:27)

They want a procedural vote. Means all they do is control the mechanism by how voting occurs. And they'll win every time. But a vote on the merits from the American people means they have to actually work for it. They have to work for it, and they have to adhere to the whims and the wills of the people.

Ian Crossland (103:42)

It's like trying to convince a pilot to take autopilot off on the airplane. He's like, bro, autopilot works just fine for me. And you're like, come on. Different place.

Tim Pool (103:51)

Let's get those questions in as soon as you guys can. I know there have been a couple, but I don't think that they were formulated. I don't know. I'm not sure. So I'm gonna wait a second until you guys can drop in some Good questions here for the panel. Some say the questions are too good, but it's okay. I even have a question for you

Ian Crossland (104:07)

while these are coming in.

Tim Pool (104:08)

Yeah, you get it.

Ian Crossland (104:09)

Dominion. What's. What's up with like digital machine voting? Are you gung ho or have you been working towards reducing that? Or do you see that as a good thing or a bad thing? What do you, what's your take on it?

Scott Pressler (104:20)

I think so. Two pieces of legislation have been introduced. The first is the Save America Act. The second is the Mega, the Make Elections Great Again Act. Now that one is probably even more comprehensive. It touches on everything from banning ranked choice voting to banning ballot harvesting. And I think it even touches on electronic voting. And so in my mind right now, at least at the federal level, if we're having a difficult time even passing the Sieve America Act, I don't see how at this point in time we pass MEGA and even address some of those issues. And so I would say do it at the federal. Do it with federalism in mind. If you can't pass it federally, state by state, address only hand marked paper ballots, you know that you're not using electronic machines, but you have a way of actually being able to count every single ballot and so address it at the state level. And I think some states are doing that.

Phillip Remains (105:20)

But are any of the states that are doing that the, the blue states or they're.

Scott Pressler (105:26)

Well, exactly, exactly. It's only going on the red states because those are the states that are actually concerned with election integrity. Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, you're not going to pass those in states that we have a Democrat governor. So no, it. Because I think South Dakota just did something about a Save America act at the state level. And then Florida just did the Save America act at the state level. But those are red states.

Tim Pool (105:52)

We got a good post here from Joe Clay says you guys have been talking about the loss of fun. I think it's more of a problem of us not being able to envision what the future is. I don't know what to do with my company. 10 years ago I had a plan. AI has ruined all of that. What do you think? I somewhat agree. I know that for instance, this company can't exist in three years. I don't know how we're going to adapt to it. We're already losing. YouTube is now what, 30% AI generated content. Everybody in the space is having audience ripped away by machines that are better at capturing attention than people are. And so the fact that it's actually quite simple. You good sir may be the most attuned to political content and want to know what's going on in the world. Won't matter though, because YouTube is given the choice to present one of two videos to a million people. One of those videos is an AI generated video of a cat jumping over a car as it flips off of a bridge or something. And the other is Timcast irl. You click Timcast IRL every single time and you'll love it. Unfortunately, average people go, well, I'll watch Simcast in a bit. What's this cat thing? And they click that. YouTube then goes, nobody's clicking Timcast IRL. Let's stop showing it. Then people start complaining that YouTube's not recommending the show anymore. Then some people forget the show exists and build other habits. And then we say, well, it was fun while it lasted, but we no longer have an audience that will support the existence of this show. And we wrap it up. That's it.

Ian Crossland (107:22)

Well, I know white collar jobs are getting disrupted across the board and, you know, talking into a microphone is a pretty white collar job. I don't know. I'm from the era of the human touch, so I, I just can't see. I don't see how a machine would ever do it better than a hominid.

Phillip Remains (107:36)

It's not the bible.

Tim Pool (107:37)

What about doing. No one talking about doing anything better. We're talking about you have a choice to watch something entertaining. What do you pick? The thing that's more entertaining. That's it, End of story.

Ian Crossland (107:45)

More entertaining?

Tim Pool (107:46)

Yes, yes.

Scott Pressler (107:48)

That's subjective though.

Tim Pool (107:49)

It doesn't matter. Macro level politics, guys. The, the, the fact remains already right now we see it in the data. People are choosing AI over news content.

Ian Crossland (108:00)

That's like saying people will choose high fructose corn syrup because it tastes better. Like at some point people realize it's not.

Tim Pool (108:06)

In fact, they did choose it for a while. That's why it's everywhere.

Ian Crossland (108:09)

Until you realize how bad it was for you.

Tim Pool (108:10)

Until we got regulatory bodies in based on a small voting block that swung the election. However, most people don't care about artificial dyes or high fructose corn syrup.

Ian Crossland (108:22)

There's a enough.

Tim Pool (108:23)

They just want bright, shiny and cheap.

Ian Crossland (108:24)

There was like, I don't know, 8% of the population cared about it before government came in.

Tim Pool (108:28)

And so growing movement of. There was an opportunity for Trump to bring in a voting bloc and he did. And they were able to accomplish some things. But what does. That doesn't change the fact that again, macro level politics, people Said cheaper, don't care. Look at aspartame. Look at. Look at sodium benzoate. Cheaper, don't care.

Ian Crossland (108:48)

Well, it happened at first. Yeah, that's what they'll say about AI too. Like, it's better. Who cares? It's cheaper, it's easier. But then eventually I think it's so robotic. I mean, it's so.

Tim Pool (108:57)

It's not. It's missing stuff, you know, it's actually not correct.

Phillip Remains (109:01)

It becomes niche, becomes only the. The only the people that.

Tim Pool (109:05)

It's just again, like the easiest example right now. We were talking. We were talking about this before the show. Sea Dance 2.0 is now in Venice, and I think Venice might be the only one with it, which is crazy. I could be wrong, But Sea Dance 2 is nuts. The best AI video generator just I. It's crazy. We've been using Suno. Suno now is on version 5.5. Sorry, Suno. AI music is just better. Now. You could be a purist and say, but I like the raw human element. That's fine. But in terms of what hits the dopamine centers, Suno is better. Thank you and have a nice day. You can complain, you can argue, you can say, no way, no way. But I tell you this, the younger generations are going to say, I don't care. This is better.

Ian Crossland (109:45)

I don't know, dude.

Tim Pool (109:46)

I do. You're wrong.

Ian Crossland (109:47)

No, there's a literal. Bears it out and vibration of the human bones. And so your DNA will activate when your body starts vibrating from hearing a person singing next to you. Like it.

Tim Pool (109:57)

The AI is replicating it better.

Ian Crossland (110:00)

I don't.

Tim Pool (110:00)

It's perfect. One for one.

Phillip Remains (110:03)

As soon as everything get. Got digitized right, then it became possible to make the exact same thing. So when you hear like an amp simulator. Right, Carter. Carter can speak to this. When you hear amp simulators, right, You. You hear the same thing. Because what's happening is whether it be a real amp or an amp simulator, the. The simulations now are producing the same frequency that the amp does. So it doesn't matter if it's a real amplifier or an amp simulator. When you're recording it, it just gets turned into zeros and ones gets turned into binary. And then that same binary can now be replicated without an actual amplifier.

Ian Crossland (110:47)

So that argument would say AI is going to do binary better than any other machine. But I like analog sound. I wrote a song called Perfection Is a Nuisance. I play the acoustic guitar.

Phillip Remains (110:56)

Yeah, but when people listen to music, they're always listening to something that's almost always listening to binary. Unless they're actually live in the room with the.

Ian Crossland (111:04)

Yeah. Or it's a record. Like a record on a record player. Yeah. I mean, those are analog technically.

Phillip Remains (111:08)

Yeah, but that's. That's a very, very small niche group of people that are actually listening to records. 99 of the people that listen to music, they're listening to zeros and ones.

Ian Crossland (111:20)

I like live music. I like to watch live performances on like, Paste studios to, you know, different tiny desk stuff. And it's never the same over, like, you know, sent the record. I just stop playing alive. I'm kind of. You guys are probably maybe more right than I'm giving you credit for because, like, I'll talk to people on the phone and it just feels like I'm talking to them, but I can't tell the difference.

Tim Pool (111:42)

You will lose something. You will lose soul and spirit. And all the conservatives complain about it, but it won't matter because the. It's going to come down to cost access and availability. Back in the day to listen to music, you had to go find someone who knew how to play music. So going to the show was such a big deal. I'm talking like 1800s. It'd be like, well, finished, a hard day's work. And, you know, Sunday night, hey, let's go into town and hear some music. And you wouldn't hear it otherwise. Then we get records. You know, you get the old. What is it? The old can recording thing that Edison had or whatever. Yeah, super low quality. And so people were like, well, it's great to have music at the home, but it's nothing like a live performance. Why have you listened to music in the 20s? It's all lo fi now. Our speaker technology is just insane. And you'll arguably just get better, cleaner quality. And you know, you're gonna say, I do love seeing the live performance, but I gotta be honest, like, am I really gonna drive downtown to see a show? Like, let's just go hang out. We got music on the sound system. It's cheaper, easier and faster. So people will ultimately just lean towards accessibility. And that's what is literally happening with AI music. You might go, I love watching, you know, like real human music, but, like, my playlist is pretty good. Is it as good as a human? No, but it's 80%. So meh. Works for me.

Ian Crossland (113:09)

Yeah. I've found when I. I don't go to a lot of live shows because I get bored. The band plays 15 songs and I'm like, All right. The first five are good. I'd rather pause this and play the other band now and hear another good song I like. But, you know, I'm in a live show. You have to sit there for an hour and a half and wait. So I just kind of like, I'd rather just pick the songs I like and play them in secession, which is. I'm just saying. Well, you could watch it on YouTube, which is what I do like. Watch the live music and listen.

Tim Pool (113:37)

All right, so we got this from Stork91. He says you spent two weeks in Texas. You didn't talk to many Texas on the show. I'm going to pause you right there. I think only one guest wasn't living in Texas. Like, wasn't a resident of Texas. I suppose if you mean like Natural Born Week two was Brandon Herrera.

Phillip Remains (113:54)

He means Cowboys.

Tim Pool (113:55)

Yeah.

Ian Crossland (113:57)

Real Texans.

Tim Pool (113:58)

Alex Jones. Michael Malice.

Phillip Remains (114:00)

What's the.

Tim Pool (114:00)

What was the. What was the.

Ian Crossland (114:01)

Matthew Marsden. He's a Dallas guy, I think. Yeah, he contributed.

Tim Pool (114:07)

No, that was after. Yeah, I think we. This. Someone literally said this to us when we were in Austin. They were like, how come you have more Texas guests? And I was like, eight of the ten guests live here. Like, that was the point.

Phillip Remains (114:16)

You wanted to see more 10 gallon hats.

Tim Pool (114:18)

Because we don't care about the Iranian conflict. The administration's deportation numbers are largely rounded numbers. They stopped filing FOIA requests back in October. They've started conflating who is getting deported from which agency from where. And border crossings versus deportations. It's illegals and H1Bs are. Are all we are about. Trump is losing Texas. Yeah.

Ian Crossland (114:37)

Probably my first thought was that's a.

Tim Pool (114:38)

A bot.

Ian Crossland (114:39)

But it's not. But he said, we don't care a

Tim Pool (114:41)

bot on our Disney.

Ian Crossland (114:42)

We don't care about the Iranian war. Like, that's a weird thing to say. I don't know who we are.

Tim Pool (114:48)

I think it's true that most people don't.

Phillip Remains (114:49)

I think he's saying that he doesn't. He doesn't want the war in Iran.

Tim Pool (114:53)

All right, let's get this from Slick. He says, Scott and cast, you have large platforms. Can you start a push to primary? All incumbents don't immediately say, but some are good. Just primary them all out, please. The good ones you can count on. Call it refused to reelect. I'm going to just. This is probably, with all Due respect, the 14,896,732nd time someone said, why don't powerful influencers get the incumbents voted out? Because you can't It's a long, arduous process that requires a lot of work and you'll maybe move the needle on a handful like we saw with the progressive left, but you're not going to do a massive incumbent perch. Nothing to point out the approval rating for Congress is because you're asking the nation to write individuals. Most counties like, I'm sorry, most congressional districts have a favorable view of their member of Congress, then the nation has a negative view. So a lot of people are like, why are Republicans like Dan Crenshaw getting elected? Because he represents a district where they make money off of the military. To be fair, he was primaried. But you have districts where there are Republicans and the jobs they have are a weapons factory or a military industrial, you know, facility. And then we say, why are the Republicans voting for this? That guy is because if he voted against that funding, he'd get voted out of office because the people who live in his district make money off of it. This is what people don't understand. So how do you vote? The incumbents? The incumbents are promising things to their district. The district wants just. There's no collective United States that wants the same thing.

Phillip Remains (116:30)

Yeah. When people say they don't like Congress, most of the time they say they don't like Congress, but they like their own congressperson. So they're happy with the person that's delivering for their district, but they don't like the rest of Congress because the things that they want nationally don't get passed. But in reality, people tend to be happy with their own representative. It's just the other ones they don't like.

Scott Pressler (116:54)

If I may, to this person, I make a promise right here and now. If Senate Majority Leader Thune does not pass the Sea of America act, then I am going to Texas. Senate Majority Leader Thune wants to protect John Cornyn in the Senate, the incumbent. And the May 26 primary Senate runoff is coming up. So everybody in Texas, you have the opportunity. If Thune isn't going to give us what we want, then we are going to take away what he has. And in Louisiana, you have Senator Cassidy, who is up for election on Tuesday, Nov. 3, 2026. If he doesn't get 50% of the vote, it goes to a runoff in December. And just so this person knows, with my platform this year, I've already been to Indiana, Florida, Pennsylvania, Utah to help with redistricting. I'm going to Indiana for the Cinco de Mayo primary. I've been going to Virginia for the April 21 referendum. I hope people vote no. We have a primary in Pennsylvania on May 19th. So now I promise you I am using my platform and I'm probably respectfully one of the only influencers on the ground doing the actual boots on the ground work. So you have my commitment that I'm going to continue putting in that work.

Phillip Remains (118:09)

There you go.

Tim Pool (118:10)

Indeed.

Phillip Remains (118:11)

This guy has been successful and very successful in the past. So that's a massive WIPO for you.

Ian Crossland (118:16)

Texas definitely needs you, man.

Tim Pool (118:18)

So just for the last part of your question, you said they rejected the will of the people in 24 election and put Thune in and refused a public vote. So we knew who cited against Trump and Rick Scott. The issue is you've got a district where he's like I need this in the omnibus because it's going to provide $17 million to go to the medical facilities in my district where we manufacture masks and syringes. The people who, who live in my district need this to happen. And the Democrat goes, well, I'll give you the vote on it, but we're not passing the SAVE Act. And he goes done. Because my voters don't care. National level, high esoteric, you know, high focused people are going to tell you about SAVE act and then they're going to go back to their district. So they're going to go back to their state and the people are going to be like, I mean SAVE act is great, I love it. But are you getting us the funding? And if they come to their state and say I told the Democrats screw the funding for our state that we need for these programs because we want the SAVE ACT they vouch out. So that's the way it goes, unfortunately. All right, let's see, let's try and grab. What do we got here? We got time for maybe one or two more. What do we got here? Let's see. I can't tell which our quest. You got to start your question with question. Let's say this from Hades. He says following up on Maximus's question from yesterday, what's the best way to get the outcome based regulations he discussed with with you made into law and make it a strict requirement. I guess the issue there is we don't have the question from yesterday to reference. So I don't know what you're talking about.

Ian Crossland (119:44)

Maximus.

Phillip Remains (119:45)

Sorry, man.

Tim Pool (119:46)

I remember we had the question, but I don't remember the specifics of his question.

Ian Crossland (119:50)

Maximus.

Tim Pool (119:52)

So let's jump down and grab the

Ian Crossland (119:54)

next one obligatory us.

Tim Pool (119:57)

I think that question is not for us. Okay, Olivia says Scott, are there Other people in states like Texas, Indiana, Utah, et cetera, that can run their own statewide EVA team would love your help.

Scott Pressler (120:12)

Absolutely. Our goal is to expand to other states. I know that we want to go into Nevada so you can reach out to me. You can slide into my DMs at Scott Pressler on X. But no, I listen, I need backup. You know, sometimes I feel like I'm hitting my head against the wall doing this work on my own. I need more people on the ground joining us. So I'd to work with you.

Tim Pool (120:37)

Right on.

Phillip Remains (120:37)

There you go.

Tim Pool (120:39)

Let's grab one more. Haiti says Tim. Imagine a bill where agencies can suggest best practices, but they must measure outcomes. If someone achieves a better measurable bill, measurable result with a creative solution or an alternate method, that should count. If the regulation doesn't improve the actual outcome over time, it expires unless rejustified. I think the actual solution to that is a sunset clauses in all bills because it's going to be like you're asking for a nebulous bill. The point he made is that regulation says you got to wear a 3.3 point harness while at work doing the specific task for safety. But a five point harness would be better and we're not allowed to use it because of the regulations. So how do we have regulations that say just do better? The problem is it's nebulous. So I think the real provision is you need. We. We need sunset clauses in all laws. Every single one of them, every law will expire and must be re upped.

Phillip Remains (121:31)

That's not a bad idea.

Ian Crossland (121:33)

It's a great idea.

Phillip Remains (121:34)

Yeah. I mean if it's a good policy that's produced positive results, it should be fairly easy.

Tim Pool (121:39)

Or you would assume and they'd have the, the omni. The omnibus law. They'd be like, there are certain things like murder that we're keeping illegal. That has to be updated every five years. And all laws have sunsets and there will never be an instance where they legalize murder. So it has to be being done. But then there are some things that will need to be updated based on changing technology or whatever. Like miscegenation laws still on the books in some states, cohabitation law still on the books. There should be sunset.

Ian Crossland (122:07)

I think copyright laws could use a refurbish.

Tim Pool (122:11)

Perhaps Elon thinks so. Well, my friends, that about does it. So smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you've ever met in your life. I hope you all have a happy Easter and you hide the Easter baskets For your kids. It's going to be a lot of fun. And two, I'll avoid the unpleasant. To heck with those. Calling it a spring holiday. You see this spring holiday stuff? It's Easter. You can follow me on X and Instagram Timcast. Scott, do you want to shout anything out?

Scott Pressler (122:39)

Just thank you all for the support. Please don't give up. Vote Texas May 26, and my organization is early voteaction.com and you can expect me to be on the ground all the way through Tuesday, November 3, 2026. We're going to continue to support the President of the United States and I look forward to meeting all of y'.

Tim Pool (123:01)

All.

Scott Pressler (123:01)

Thank you.

Ian Crossland (123:01)

Scott Pressler, the persistence. You can find him on X at the persistence. Scotty, Always a great time. Please come back again more. We should. I like propelling your message because you're doing God's work, man.

Scott Pressler (123:11)

Thank you.

Ian Crossland (123:11)

Yeah. Good to see you.

Scott Pressler (123:12)

It's good to be back.

Ian Crossland (123:13)

Yeah. Dude, your accent is thicker than I remember. Am I crazy?

Scott Pressler (123:16)

Oh, gosh.

Ian Crossland (123:17)

Okay, maybe I'm crazy.

Scott Pressler (123:18)

No, I. I've been spending too much time in the Midwest. I think that's what it is. I moved to Pennsylvania. I live there.

Ian Crossland (123:25)

Really?

Scott Pressler (123:25)

Yeah.

Ian Crossland (123:25)

Is that where you're from originally?

Scott Pressler (123:27)

No, I'm from Florida.

Tim Pool (123:28)

Florida.

Ian Crossland (123:30)

All right, everybody.

Tim Pool (123:31)

I met, Ian Crossland.

Ian Crossland (123:32)

Catch you later. Had a great day. And that's all I got for now. Carter Banks. Dude, Scott, I still remember standing for like eight hours during the Trump reelection stream. And I was just like blown away by how much greatness you did for our country. So I really appreciate that. Thank you so much for coming.

Scott Pressler (123:48)

Thank you.

Ian Crossland (123:48)

You can follow me at Carter Banks everywhere and at carterbanks Official everywhere else. Follow our label at Trash house Records on YouTube and yeah, Phil, I am

Phillip Remains (123:58)

Phillip Remains on Twix. You can check out some of the things I've been writing on Patreon. It's patreon.com phillipremains the band is all that remains. We're going on tour this spring, April 29th. We start in Albany. We're going to be out for about a month. We're going out with Born of Osiris and Dead Eyes. You can get tickets at all that remainsonline. Com. You can check out the band's music at Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, YouTube, Spotify, and Deezer. Don't forget, the left lane is for crime.

Tim Pool (124:20)

We will see you all Monday. We got clips throughout the weekend. Thanks for hanging out. We'll see you then.