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US Gov EXPOSED Funding Liberal News, Trump NUKES Politico Amid Scandal w/Nuance Bro
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US Gov EXPOSED Funding Liberal News, Trump NUKES Politico Amid Scandal w/Nuance Bro
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Tim Pool
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Tim Pool
Man, today was crazy. So it all started when news broke that Politico, a news outlet, didn't pay their employees. And everyone started wondering what could be going on in the world where Politico, a large news organization that it's considered, considered to not like Donald Trump. How are they not paying their employees? And so people immediately started looking up government spending on politico and found $8 million. Actually the number is much higher if you go back further years. This led to some people tweeting that usaid, government agency at the center of a lot of big breaking news was funding Politico. It's not really. What was actually uncovered is that the government is spending thousands of dollars per person on insane, nonsensical subscriptions to a ton of different media outlets. Some people are pointing out Thomson Reuters, the ap, the New York Times, Politico. Effectively, I'll put it this way, when you guys get a new subscription, you know, you pay 10 bucks, 20 bucks. The government pays 2 to $15,000 for a subscription. That doesn't seem to make sense, does it? And Politico has accepted a lot of money. Now we're hearing the White House says it's canceling all of these subscriptions, some $8 million worth. And the media is recoiling, claiming it's fake news. None of it's actually happening. Calm down. Oof. Yeah, it's happening. And you know what? This is all out in the open. Anybody could have looked this up. It's only because of the actions of Dosh and what we're seeing that people actually started digging into how the government is spending money on liberal media outlets and they're spending tens of millions of dollars. In one instance, I think I found like the Department of Fish and Wildlife Service or whatever it's called, was spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on the New York Times. And it's like for, for why? For what? To read the New York Times. Well, they argue they have pro subscription tools and things like this. Uh huh. We'll break all of that down. A lot of crazy news. Of course, we also have the shuttering of usaid. All of the staff have been affected to Leave. And, yeah, crazy. Donald Trump also signed an executive order banning men from women's sports. And of course, you know, a lot of people are losing their minds over that one. Uh, we had CBS release to the FCC the full unredacted Raw interview with Kamala Harris. I can't believe people actually watched it, but they did, and they found that there were some alterations, which is very interesting and may impact Donald Trump's lawsuit. So we're gonna talk about all of this stuff, my friends, and we're gonna break down the scandal here and how the government is funding the liberal press. Before we get started, of course. Head over to cast brew.com and buy coffee. Unfortunately, you can't buy Ian's graphene dream. It's sold out. I don't know how the man does it. He's crazy. But you can get two weeks till Christmas Phil's Gingerbread Roast, where the man is dressed like Santa Claus. Absolutely. We also, of course, have Appalachian Nights rise with Roberto Jr. And I'll just shout it again. We've got the franchising system set up, over 100 location requests, I think, in, like, the first week or so. And so we've been fielding a bunch of calls on a lot of people want to open up their own location. We want you to have your own location. Be a part of the team. Very excited. And of course, click the link in the description below and join Timcast.com to watch the Green Room show. We've got one. I think today's Green Room we just filmed is probably, like, one of the best. It's the least consequential, but it was hilarious. And there were inappropriate jokes. We were all just basically hanging out, talking about the super bowl and Trump and things like this, and it was a lot of fun. But Mary. Mary Morgan had an amazing conversation with Terry Schilling. It's up now, and it's getting rave reviews. Everyone's saying it's, like, one of the best podcasts we've done. And it's literally just Mary sitting in the green room, talking uncensored as the cameras were rolling with Terry Schilling. It's really interesting stuff, and I was there playing magic the Gathering. But don't forget to also smash that, like, button. Share the show with everyone you know. As I mentioned, become a member. Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more. We got Nuance, bro.
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Nuance Bro
Hey, thanks for having me.
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Tim Pool
That's. What's your real name?
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Nuance Bro
Omid.
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Tim Pool
Okay, well, there you go. I just call you Nuance. That's what I know you as?
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Nuance Bro
Yeah, it's.
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Ian Crossland
It is what it is as well.
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Tim Pool
What do you do? Who are you?
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Nuance Bro
I shit post on X. Mostly about politics and news and all that stuff.
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Tim Pool
Easily explained. You're a guy on X who complains about stuff.
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Ian Crossland
There we go, There we go.
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Tim Pool
We also got a lot hanging out.
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Elad Eliyahu
Hey everybody, what's up? My name is A Lot Eliyahu. I'm a field correspondent here at Tim Cast Nuance Pro. What's up? It's good to see you.
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Nuance Bro
What's up?
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Elad Eliyahu
That Ian. How's it going?
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Ian Crossland
Fantastic, dude. I'm Ian Crossland. I'm a prophet, an engineer. No, I'm just kidding. But you know the thing about the future and how we sit around, we kind of predict what's happening is we're also creating what's happening the way that people are. You know, if you study like neuro linguistic programming, the way that people are just ready to like do what you say is going to happen, it's pretty wild. The power of creation, of reality. They call it manifestation a lot of ways. So let's keep doing it. Let's manifest some cool, man.
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Tim Pool
Manifest some destiny.
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Ian Crossland
Yeah.
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Phil Labonte
Hello everybody. My name is Greenland. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band all that Remains on Anti Communist and the Counter Revolutionary. Let's go.
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Tim Pool
And I just want to. I want to mention yesterday what happened. For many people who aren't familiar. I did address this on my. I did a morning live show over@YouTube.com timcast news. So we're all sitting here having a good old time and we were about 20 minutes until the show started. I'm not going to get into too much personal information. All, all that I will say is I am a recently married man with a child on the way and we are about a month out from that child. Which means don't be surprised if 10 minutes before the show we have everything set up perfectly with my face smiling in the thumbnail and then it's Phil instead. Because when the wife comes a knocking, we're out the door, no questions asked. We. I'll give, I'll keep it real simple. We just had to go for a checkup. Everything was good, but it was a last minute thing. And anybody who has kids knows exactly what I'm talking about. So it's fun. How about that? But I'm not going to stick around and wait to find out. I ran out the door, I left my phone, I had no idea what was happening and Phil just jumped up and took over. So I apologize for not being here, but I'm sorry. My family's more important than, you know, talking about the news for two hours. I can always come back later. So there you go, there's the explanation. Expect it to happen again probably several times in the next month and maybe slightly afterwards. Sorry, but that's the way it is. All right, let's jump into this. First story we have from CNN. I love it. White House says will cancel $8 million in Politico subscriptions after a false right wing conspiracy theory spreads. Oh, a false one. Oh no. It all started with this. Max Tanny says staff at Politico did not get paid. And they were basically saying it was a technical glitch resulting in them not getting paid. I think it was. It's happened to us before. We've had days where like there was a glitch in the payroll system because everybody uses a lot of the same companies and it's no big deal. And then within a few hours it's resolved. However, people then started digging in, being like, is Elon Musk gutting funding that took money away from Politico? Because there's a question being asked, how is it that Politico of limited audience and consequence is able to fund such a massive operation? Honest question. We here at Tim Cast rely on you guys to become members. And then when we, if we do ad reads, we don't really. But becoming members funds all of this and it's not easy and we're limited and we don't have nearly the, the size and staff of Politico. So how do they do it? Right, well, so people start digging in. As it turns out the government be giving them lots and lots of money. Take a look at this from usspending.gov let's start with this one. Politico LLC, $862,000 that came from. It was a purchase order and it's from the Department of the Interior national park service from 20, from September of 21 until September of 2025. A four year purchase totaling $862,000. Then we've got another $622,000. This one coming from the Department of Interior U. S. Fish and Wildlife Service from that's the June of 2022 until June of 2026. Another four year deal. Why are they spending all of this money? And what is this? Here's one that's particularly egregious. 172 subscribers for $388,000. That's $2,300 per person. Per year for the Department of Energy to have a subscription for one year. Now, of course, the media is trying to cover it up, but it's not just Politico, it's a bunch of other companies. Let me see, we got this from, from Axios. Doge targets government media subscriptions after MAGA attacks. And, and they mention the New York Times, ap, Reuters are getting exorbitant amounts of money for products and subscriptions from the government. So my question as we kick off this conversation of the panel, for what purpose? And be honest, I know, maybe, maybe nuance broken, he'll tell us exactly why the government wants to spend between 2 and $15,000 for a subscription to a news company. Why are they doing that?
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Nuance Bro
Well, we were talking before the show, there was something like they were saying that Politico Pro or like these, Politico has like this government service where it kind of acts like a, like Bloomberg terminals do for, you know, people in the investment banking world or whatever. And it allows them to see things with this proprietary software. So it'd be like paying any other sort of contractor, like the way the government pays Palantir for their proprietary software that tells them like logistical stuff. So I don't know, I don't know.
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Ian Crossland
What the explanation is, but, but let's, let's hold on.
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Tim Pool
That's really interesting. Politico has, my understanding is from a government tier, they have a specific subscription for the government for like 2,750 bucks. And then they have this like Premiere Plus Pro thing or whatever that might be. I think like $15,000. And so they're, so is this, is this an intelligence agency? Are these media companies effectively like Palantir providing intel and data to the government for exorbitant fees?
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Nuance Bro
Well, so far I haven't really seen in any of the articles like an explanation of exactly what the government's paying them to do with this sort of stuff. So I'm, I'm pretty confused as well. But I'm also, you know, what percentage of Politico actual annual revenue is actually coming from government sources? Do we know what like their annual revenue is? Because we don't. Millions. Like, but how about like 10? Isn't that like eight or 10 years or something?
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Tim Pool
It's like nine years. Yeah, the eight millions over nine years. So they're getting just shy of a million bucks a year from the government, from government subscriptions, which it's still, I mean, it's impactful. And in their lifetime, I think someone posted that they got like 34 million in their lifetime. So, hey, man, I'd love to get a million bucks a year from exorbitant government subscriptions. How about we launch Tim Cast Trump Pro, where it's $5,000 per subscription, and Trump and his team, they can all buy it from us.
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Ian Crossland
They would call it money laundering immediately.
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Tim Pool
Oh, of course. Well, take a look at this. Now, I want to stress, this is not USAID funding media outlets, except this one is from the BBC. Our statement on USAID funding, the BBC says, they say, like many international development organizations, BBC Media Action has been affected by the temporary pause in U.S. government funding, which amounts to about 8% of our income in 2023-24. We're doing everything we can to minimize the impact on our partners. Heavens me, the BBC is literally funded by the US Government to a certain degree.
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Phil Labonte
All of this stuff is a complete waste of taxpayer dollars. There's no legitimate reason for USAID to do the vast majority of the things that I've heard about. So now I'm sure maybe there are other programs that USAID has that are legitimate, that actually do benefit the United States when it comes to foreign policy. But all of the stuff that I've heard being, being discovered by Doge or whatever, it's all garbage. It's all slush fund, a lot of it, A significant portion of it is money being used for one political agenda. That's the American taxpayers money being used to promote one political agenda against, you know, that's, that's. That a lot of Americans are in complete opposition to. So that right there alone is, is enough reason for me to say, you know, cut them as deeply as we can, make as many significant cuts as possible. And people that are, that are screaming and crying against this, they're all from one side. You don't hear, I haven't heard any Republicans or conservatives making significant protest about this. But the left, they're literally out in the streets, out in front of Congress, out in front of, well, yeah, out in front of Congress the other day, screaming at the top of their lungs, threatening to, you know, use lawfare, threatening to shut the Senate down, all because these are the projects that the left likes, because they, they promote the left's ideology.
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Ian Crossland
And to keep it, to keep it. Cause it's not just left and right. And Mike Benz made this observation. He's been doing a lot of research on USAID. If Bernie Sanders had won in 2016, USAID would be funding anti Bernie Sanders stuff. They're anti populist because the populism is threat to the control of the empire.
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Phil Labonte
I disagree, because Bernie Sanders has been.
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Tim Pool
But they were anti Bernie Sanders the whole time. Bernie Sanders at the time was getting attacked relentlessly by the establishment press and the DNC colluded to. To shut him out. So, yes, however, Bernie Sanders, he figured out who buttered his. Butters his bread. And, you know, he likes his vacation houses and he likes being the largest recipient of big pharma dollars. And so he got in line.
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Phil Labonte
Yeah, I disagree that they would actually have gone after Bernie. Bernie is the big. Is one of the biggest cowards in the Senate. And he would have laid down as. I mean, he did. That's the automatic.
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Nuance Bro
Basically an establishment Democrat now. He changed his position on immigration. He said it's like a good thing that the CIA was going into Brazil to help, you know, against the whole Bolsonaro.
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Phil Labonte
That might be. That might be because of his political leanings, though. If you're helping a socialist, a socialist is going to think, well, maybe this is okay.
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Nuance Bro
They decried CIA going into, you know, Central and South America for the longest time, and now it's like, oh, it's no problem.
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Phil Labonte
But the left does our guy. The left, exactly. The left's always going to be much softer on it if it's for their guy or for people that have their. Their political ideology.
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Elad Eliyahu
As far as the government funding for these different news organization goes, I think the most forgiving explanation is that these are essentially a subsidy to different news organizations, because the business of news is actually extremely difficult, and it's extremely difficult to maintain a successful news business. And people turn over and get out of the business a lot. And it's within the government's interest to have a vibrant media space. And then I'm sure they benefit from good coverage back and forth from the people kind of lining their pockets. But they could argue that we have an interest in a vibrant media covering what's going on in our country in an effective manner.
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Tim Pool
When. When do we get the car? I mean, we have a. We have a top global podcast. It's a prominent live show. Perhaps they could fund us, but they don't. They.
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Elad Eliyahu
Would you accept money? I don't even think you would, but.
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Tim Pool
Of course I would not. The point. Well, actually depends, and I'll break down the nuance on this one. But the point is, how come it always only ever goes in one direction? How come?
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Elad Eliyahu
Right.
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Tim Pool
How come the law enforcement that's being fair and democratic is only after going Trump supporters and J6ers, it's not going after Antifa. And then when it comes to the funding, it's always just these big liberal meet outs. Let me break it down for you.
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Phil Labonte
I find that, I find that the argument that it's both, the both sides is an argument. I don't find that compelling at all.
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Tim Pool
Let me break it down. The question of would I accept money from the government? The simple answer is no. But the issue at hand is, let me give you a scenario where a company may start on good, on good standing and good founding and then find itself wrapped around the CIA very easily. We're going to start a news organization. It's called Elads news.com and Elad launches a subscription service, 10 bucks a month. And he says, hey guys, you know, I go on the ground, I report, I ask questions, 10 bucks a month and then you can be a member. And then, boom, overnight he's got a thousand members. And he's like, wow, I'm actually making a lot of money now. I could afford to hire another, another staffer to help me do this. So he has another person makes more content.
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Elad Eliyahu
Boom.
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Tim Pool
Now he's got 3,000 subscribers. Two years goes by and lads got 40,000 paying members at 10 bucks a month. And he's running an operation. He's got an office of headquarters. He's hired 30, 40 people. He's like, man, this is, this is, this is amazing what we're able to pull off. Five years later, he's got a staff of 130. He's like, you know, we heard a lot of news, have been fighting the good fight and we got all these people here. And then all of a sudden, CIA knocks on the door and says, we'd like to have a meeting with you. And then they slide over a piece of paper that shows 50,000 of his subscribers are actually government employees that are buying a premium plus plan. And they say, here's what's going to happen. We want you to write that Donald Trump is a fascist. We want this to be your principal coverage. And a lot goes, hey, look, we're journalists, man, we don't do that stuff. And says, that's no problem. We're sorry we asked. We'll just get in line with our boss and cancel our 50,000 subscriptions. Oh, is that a large portion of your revenue? I guess that means you're out of business, everyone's fired. Or, I mean, you can just accept the truth. Trump's a fascist, right? And so what happens is these companies, some of them do get calls from the State Department. Fact I can tell you this with experience, definitively primary source. I have worked for news organizations where the bosses got phone calls from the State Department to talk to them about their news coverage. 100% fact. Now it's often they try and play it like, hey, look, look, we're not telling you what to do. Yeah, but when the State Department calls you and says, we're really concerned about this kind of story, you know what that means and you know what's going to happen if you say no? You know what the greatest award in journalism is? It's not the Pulitzer. Anybody staying out of jail? No. You guys don't know the greatest award in journalism?
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Phil Labonte
No.
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Tim Pool
It's called CIA assassination. It's not the Pulitzer Prize. That's the meme, at least that if you actually are going to break down a big story that's going to expose the government, they won't let you do it. And so I think for a lot of these companies, there's, there's the mockingbird argument that the feds have been deeply involved in spreading propaganda intentionally. I think it's much more. Look, they, they want plausible deniability. That's why the way it, the, the way it works is they're going to buy premium subscriptions to the tune of a million bucks a year or whatever that's going to fund a lot of employees with $860,000. How many people can you hire? You can hire a bunch of low level staff at 48,000. You know, maybe you can hire a handful of staff at 100, maybe a couple of like high profile journalists for 200. And they're going to report what you tell them to report, and that money is coming from government subscriptions.
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Nuance Bro
But again, what percentage of Politico's revenue is actually government? I can't imagine it's that high.
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Elad Eliyahu
I tried to.
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Tim Pool
No, it looks like, it looks like based on those numbers, they may be getting, you know, like a million bucks a year or whatever.
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Ian Crossland
7.2 in 2023.
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Elad Eliyahu
Oh, that's like 2 million. Healthy portion.
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Nuance Bro
Then that's their total revenue in 2020.
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Ian Crossland
Then I got, I'm reading 700. Hold on, hold on, hold on.
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Nuance Bro
Yeah, that sounds.
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Ian Crossland
In 2025.
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Nuance Bro
That sounds.
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Tim Pool
Wait, Politico made 750.
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Ian Crossland
Just according to the answer on Brave. When I searched Politico. Yearly revenue.
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Elad Eliyahu
I don't buy that.
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Tim Pool
Yeah, that's. They're not a bro. That's not true. That's 100% not true.
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Ian Crossland
Because how could it go from 7.2 to 750?
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Nuance Bro
7.2 doesn't sound.
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Ian Crossland
Sounds like it's an error.
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Tim Pool
Hold on. Are you saying 7. 2 million total revenue from all sources for one year?
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Phil Labonte
700.
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Nuance Bro
Right.
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Ian Crossland
Well, okay, this reads as of January 2025, POLITICO's annual revenue reached 750 million. I don't know if that's true. However, earlier reports from 2023 indicated an annual revenue of 7.2 million.
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Nuance Bro
That doesn't make any sense.
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Ian Crossland
1.
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Nuance Bro
That's just a I being retarded?
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Ian Crossland
I think so. Which seems to be outdated given the more recent information. So maybe they were hiding revenue. The revenue significantly increased, reflecting the company's growth and expansion. Maybe they just got paid hundreds of millions of dollars of fee.
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Tim Pool
So they may have 20,000 paid subscribers as of 2017. It's been eight years.
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Nuance Bro
Well, that's just paid subs. Like, they probably make a lot through advertising, and I don't think they do.
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Tim Pool
I think that was actually one of the issues of contention with the story is that they don't actually run a lot of ads. You go to their website, you don't see advertising. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. It's a good point, though, and it is fair how much of the revenue of these companies is actually coming from this? Because I think if we pull up the New York Times, they get a lot of money from the government, but it's not. I mean, the New York Times has a ton of paying members.
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Ian Crossland
Here's.
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Tim Pool
Here's the thing, though. I have an honest question about, say, the BBC and other foreign media outlets that report on the U.S. influence, U.S. reporting or otherwise. And USAID accounting for 8% of the BBC's annual budget is insane.
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Ian Crossland
A British newspaper. Yeah, that's crazy.
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Tim Pool
A statement from BBC.co.uk saying 8% of their income.
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Phil Labonte
Yeah.
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Nuance Bro
Doesn't the BBC get funded by their own government like any supposed to be.
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Phil Labonte
They're supposed to. They're supposed to have a. They have a. Everyone that buys a television has a license to have a television in the uk. That's the. There's a meme. It's a meme, you know, do you have a license for that tv?
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Ian Crossland
So part of this revenue of Politico, they got bought by Axel springer for over $1 billion in 2021. And I think that they're calculating that billion into their revenue over X amount of years. They're owned by someone.
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Tim Pool
Well, that's an error that still doesn't make sense.
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Tim Pool
Code Spotify Sense. But if companies generating $750 million in revenue, they're worth way more than a billion dollars.
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Ian Crossland
Yeah. So 200 million in 2021. But this is because of the, the billion dollar acquisition.
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Tim Pool
Hey, look, far be it for me. I wonder how they're making two hundred and something million dollars. It must be their premium subscriptions. And then there's questions about is there funding that we're not seeing? Because I got to be honest, guys, I do not see a reality. And that's just me. And maybe I'm crazy. Where Politico is able to generate hundreds of millions of dollars per year off subscriptions.
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Nuance Bro
Yeah.
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Ian Crossland
Okay. Axel Springer alone. So Axel Springer, the company that owns Politico, is owned by Fried Springer and Matthias Dopner, two people, corporate structure becomes a privately owned and operated news media marketing company.
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Nuance Bro
Well, that's why we don't know the 13.5 Euro.
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Ian Crossland
Billion. Billion. Dollar 13.5 billion Euro deal was struck to hive off.
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Elad Eliyahu
I think it's the crux of the issue here is that it's difficult for a media business to survive and thrive as a private business. The most successful, the New York Times is owned by a family and always has been our family, the Schulzburg Salzburgers. The Salzburger family. And in that way they don't need to depend on subscriptions. Although I'm sure the New York Times enjoys getting them. And the Washington Post doesn't need to worry about ever actually going bankrupt because they could stay in the red, but Jeff Bezos will fund them indefinitely. So the shift in the way media is as a business will affect the coverage. Also something to consider are local news stations and these smaller local news areas where they don't get any business and are completely driven based off of ad revenue and wouldn't be able to exist long term without probably they also get.
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Nuance Bro
Grants and well, they're also not so small and independent. They're like, usually, isn't it like, is it, is it Sinclair that owns like a lot of These stuff.
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Elad Eliyahu
But the thing is because they can't make money is why they will get bought out and be further consolidated into Sinclair. So the whole business behind media is completely in disarray. This whole subscription business model has been only been a thing for the past decade. Before that it was ads and, and that.
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Nuance Bro
No, that's not.
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Tim Pool
I just want newspapers.
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Nuance Bro
People would pay for newspapers. That was.
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Tim Pool
I want to. I want to. I want to just say this. So looking at their viewership numbers, we are bigger than Politico. So I'll just say that the question then becomes if we are bigger than Politico, how are we not doing $200 million a year? Maybe. Maybe. I got. Look, man, I gotta launch this tim cast pro $13,000 a month subscription plan and offer people something. You know, I can't insights of AI.
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Phil Labonte
And I can't imagine what how that is is considered acceptable. $13,000 a month is what the charge and how many they were. They were buying 246 of them.
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Tim Pool
It doesn't make any sense, but let's do this. Let's jump to this next story, which is still related. Take a look at this from the Dispatch. No, Politico did not receive substantial funds from usaid. Various government agencies have purchased subscriptions to its publication since 2016. The funny thing about these fact checks on this story is that it is fair to say that Kyle Becker and Benny Johnson got this one largely wrong by claiming that USAID was providing $8 million. But I love how they then say the claims are false. According to USA spending.gov, an official source for US government expenditure data and the resource used by Becker in his post, Politico received 8.2 million total payments from government departments and agencies between fiscal year 2016 and 2025. Okay, well, so they are receiving government funds. But it is a fair question that no one's pro brings up and what is their total revenue and will this actually affect their bottom line? That being said, however, quid pro quo. If the government is spending a million bucks a year, a little bit more on premium subscriptions, is that going to someone's pocket? What's the point of it? I don't see that as making sense. Or look, I'm sorry, like on the ground independent media, you go to anybody in the space and say, do you think if you offered up $13,000 subscriptions that would make sense for anybody? And if they're going to claim that we offer a proprietary technology or whatever. The question then becomes why is a news organization fronting for an intelligence technology operation.
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Ian Crossland
I want to know how much money the US government gives Axel Springer, the owner. So basically they're a German company that owns Politico. Politico is now a German, just so you know, it's headquartered in Berlin, is where Axel Springer is. And I wonder if they're like in bed with the military industrial. The liberal economic order. You know, it's in Germany, which is basically one of the European capital of the liberal economic order, next to Britain. But I'm wondering if they've broken that Axel Springer. If you search for Axel Springer and you can see how much donations or purchases have been made by government agencies to Axel Springer se, which is the name of the corporation.
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Nuance Bro
It's interesting that they use the substantial funds language here because, yeah, it's $44,000 and then 8.1 million in that period of time from just government agencies in general. But just for BBC, as you were covering earlier, just straight from usaid, I guess not even from government agencies altogether, but they're 8% of all their revenue was just from USAID. So it's interesting, you know, the substantial funds were going to the BBC, but not.
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Ian Crossland
Yeah, well, it's the term substantial funds is.
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Phil Labonte
Well, talking about. I don't know what they're. I don't.
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Nuance Bro
8%, definitely.
- [28:04]
Phil Labonte
Well, that's the thing. I don't know what the margins are on, on that type of operation, but 8% could be all of their profit.
- [28:13]
Elad Eliyahu
8 million annually feels like a healthy chunk of change. I don't know, maybe they started advertising.
- [28:18]
Nuance Bro
No, it's not 8 million annual.
- [28:20]
Elad Eliyahu
It's not even.
- [28:21]
Nuance Bro
It's over 9,1 million annually.
- [28:23]
Phil Labonte
But again, I mean, I don't know. I don't know that a million doesn't seem like a lot of money for Politico when it comes.
- [28:30]
Ian Crossland
If they're making 200 million right, in revenue in 2023, then we don't know.
- [28:35]
Tim Pool
That's the estimate. The estimate ranges are around there. And I'm just going to say right off the bat, as I must be really bad at this, if their viewership is lower than ours and they're doing $200 million.
- [28:48]
Ian Crossland
And we are no propaganda arm of Axel Springer. They're like just. Just like Washington Post was bought by Jeff Bezos as a propaganda arm. He's. That thing's not in money, Bezos subsidizing it.
- [28:58]
Phil Labonte
I don't think that it's so much about the company that owns them as their connections to the administration. That's really because they're they're putting out the propaganda that the administration wants. You don't hear Politico have, I haven't heard a seriously critical article come out of Politico about Democrats or, or even establishment Republicans really in a long time. And when they do do something critical on establishment Republicans, it's very kid gloves. So they're, they're, I mean, I don't know anything about Axel Springer, but the, the actual collusion with the government is obvious and that's really, that's the actual problem, not who owns them.
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Ian Crossland
What's that website, Tim, that you just had up where you can search by.
- [29:38]
Tim Pool
Company USA spending.gov I'm going to search.
- [29:41]
Ian Crossland
For Axel Springer in that USA spending now that the lid's blown off of USAID.
- [29:47]
Phil Labonte
Like, I mean, again, I, I don't think the problem or I, I think who owns the company is less impactful than their actual connection to the, you know, the DNC or to the, the administration, the actual government, because it' Whoever's, whoever's running Politico, whoever's actually in charge of that, having the access to people in the, in the Democrat Party and, and putting out essentially what is official, you know, press releases that are, that are written by the government or that are, that are approved by the government. That's the, the actual problem. You know, I don't know anything about Axel Springer. Maybe they are a bad company, but it doesn't really matter if they're a German company or an American company or what have you, because the problem is that Politico is, is looked at as the serious news organization and the Democrat establishment essentially feeds them all of the news that they're, they're putting out.
- [30:45]
Tim Pool
Let's quick fact check. The BBC Media Action, which is a, I don't know, an NGO is what's receiving 8% of their income from USAID. It says as the BBC's international charity. We're completely separate from BBC News, literally in their, in their statement, wholly reliant on our donors and supporters to carry out our work.
- [31:02]
Ian Crossland
And you got to remember with, when it comes to these global corporations, they're great at naming things to obfuscate and they'll put a name and a name and another thing with the same name with a slightly different thing that means something else or they'll call it something completely unrelated. And that's who's really in control is this Umbrella Corp. It's called like Official Strategies llc.
- [31:21]
Tim Pool
Remember the Panama Papers?
- [31:22]
Ian Crossland
What Panama Papers?
- [31:23]
Tim Pool
Yeah, yeah, we found out all those people were hiding and that came out.
- [31:26]
Ian Crossland
And within six months was like, off the radar. It was like, Putin's got his money in Panama. All these, like, global oligarchs. And I can hear, like, silence in the room, like, how just the sound gets sucked out. Do you really want to go down that rabbit hole? Because there's snakes down there.
- [31:39]
Tim Pool
Let's. Let's just pause and take a big step back from whatever this story is and respect the point that we don't know the total revenue of these companies. Maybe they're much bigger and better at this than we think. I know the New York Times makes a lot of money. Good for them. The issue at hand is for the taxpayer. Do we accept that you need to spend 3 to $13,000 for a scription for a subscription? Why is the government. The issue is it's not their money, so they don't care.
- [32:05]
Phil Labonte
Yeah, If.
- [32:06]
Tim Pool
If you, if I told. If someone said, elad, you can buy whatever you want. Don't mind, don't worry. The money comes from Tim. Eli's gonna be like, okay, what is, what is he worried about? It's not his money.
- [32:14]
Nuance Bro
That's because a lot's an like that if he actually worried about getting fired.
- [32:19]
Tim Pool
But that's the thing. Assuming God was here for these agencies are like, I'll spend $1 million on subscriptions. What do I care?
- [32:25]
Ian Crossland
It's so disingenuous, man. Just like there's a. You can't just pay someone a million dollars to sit around and be an admin. You have to. The value has to be. This is the private sector. The value of their work has to be market. What do they call it? Market average for, like, the cost of the value. Like, you can't overpay someone as an employee. It's tax fraud. So for a company to offer a $10,000 subscription for something that should be worth like 4,000 or 1,080 bucks.
- [32:52]
Nuance Bro
Well, we don't know what it's worth because no one's telling us what the product. And I want to know what the product is.
- [32:57]
Phil Labonte
It's. It's the one hand washes the other. Right. So these companies, like Politico is getting. Is getting money from the federal government from. Via usaid. And so Politico then writes stories that are complimentary about the government. They're literally paying Politico through usaid to write good stories about them. And it doesn't matter if they're paying them, if they're paying them a, a substantial amount of their, their, their cost of operation or if they're just paying them a million dollars a year. And you know the top four, the top five people that work there are taking 200 grand each.
- [33:36]
Ian Crossland
That's what I wonder if they're making 200 million in revenue. A million dollars isn't enough to blackmail or persuade them to write articles.
- [33:43]
Phil Labonte
Absolutely.
- [33:43]
Ian Crossland
Is it that much?
- [33:44]
Phil Labonte
It's not.
- [33:45]
Tim Pool
They have over a thousand employees. Yeah, but like they have 1100 employees.
- [33:49]
Elad Eliyahu
Here's the thing that I think we're overlooking, guys. I'm reading into Politico Pro and here it says Politico Pro users are able to quickly get an AI generated summary of federal bills, rapid access to critical legislative legislature coming out and different articles. So if you put AI into anything, any part of your business, you will immediately double or quadruple the value of your company.
- [34:12]
Tim Pool
So that's what you need to say. Everything that we're saying was scripted by.
- [34:19]
Ian Crossland
You could build an AI that's you that answers people's questions and then you'd have 50,000 people buy that.
- [34:24]
Elad Eliyahu
It's a marketing.
- [34:25]
Tim Pool
I still believe it. I do believe that they make a lot of money off this. They have, they have newsletters and they sell sponsorships on it. That makes sense. So I don't think their government income is substantial, but I still think the issue at play is the media is freaking out that we're talking about cutting government waste and having government employees spending millions of dollars on these subscriptions at high costs to various media organizations. That shouldn't be happening. That's it.
- [34:55]
Ian Crossland
Yeah, it's not. I think if people get hung up on thinking like this is the bribery scandal, they're going to be wrong. It's going to be a dead end. Because if you relatively 1/20 of their 1/200th of their annual revenue is this. It's not.
- [35:08]
Tim Pool
But I'm going to say this, guys, there's never going to be a day where you discover that USAID gave $10 million to insert news organization. What's going to happen is USAID gave the Defending Democracy super organization in Morocco $10 million. The defending democracy organization then said, well, we need access to good clean information. So they donated 5 million to the Fighting Disinformation charity out of the Cayman Islands who then bought 50 subscriptions at $50,000 each for sponsorship or whatever you're.
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Ian Crossland
Going to be finding. It's the National Endowment for Democracy. That's basically the on the ground people that carry out USAID's briberies and you know, world building things. It's the National Endowment for Democracy Mike.
- [35:55]
Tim Pool
That'S a specific organization. And you know that for a fact, Mike.
- [35:58]
Ian Crossland
Ben, this is what Mike Benz says a lot. He's like, he's been USAID.
- [36:01]
Tim Pool
So you're saying it's been reported that.
- [36:03]
Ian Crossland
The U.S. the National Endowment for Democracy is probably the next one that's going to be the next USAID lid blown off. Like, my God, what are they doing? These are like the boots on the ground, according to Mike Benz.
- [36:13]
Elad Eliyahu
Well, there was an anti Elon Musk and anti Doge protests Today in Washington, D.C. outside of the Department of Labor. I think there's allegedly supposed to be. It's been reported that there's going to be a meeting tomorrow with people inside the Department of Labor and people at Doge. So they are seeing cuts left and right. And I'm not surprised to see any given day what department that the Doge team or the Trump team might decide to cut up.
- [36:36]
Tim Pool
Let's jump to this story from Fortune. I'm scared. Inside federal workers. Heartbreak and fury after Trump administration encourages resignations. They're scared, guys. They're scared. Do you feel bad yet? Should we burn the Constitution one bit? No. Okay. Well, here's a tweet from Shelby Talcott. The number of deferred resignations has risen to over 40,000 ahead of tomorrow's deadline. A source familiar with the situation tells me the number is still expected to grow. For those who don't know the story, Donald Trump said to all of the federal employees, how would you like to get an eight month paid vacation with full benefits? Just submit a response, this email saying, resign, and then you will not have to come into work and you will get paid in full with benefits until September 30th. The number is now at 40,000. And there's a bunch of Democrats saying it's a coup, saying it's illegal. Unions are losing their minds. I love this the most. I love it. The unions are like, oh, no, we're about to lose all of, all of our tax base because these union scumbags are like, we have 5,000 people here who are forced to pass 30 bucks a month and Trump's offering them resignations. We're done. So they're freaking out, threatening Trump saying, or, you know, the administration legally saying, like, you can't do this, it's illegal, but it's happening. And he also offered the CIA employees buyouts.
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Nuance Bro
Yeah, but it's not really Trump, it's Elon, because the way this happened is an email got sent out en masse to the various employees that this would apply to, and the title of the email was A Fork in the Road, which if people remember, it's the same email that went out to all these ex employees at the time to give them their severance and said, hey, you can stay with us or you can take this severance, it's a generous severance package and leave if you don't want to go, you know, hardcore or whatever. So in this case, they're doing an eight month severance. I guess there's something in the law where they can do that through executive action any longer. I think Elon wanted to do like two years initially, but that would require an act of Congress. So that's why they're doing this eight month thing.
- [38:39]
Tim Pool
Interesting.
- [38:40]
Ian Crossland
It's very, it seems on its face very reasonable. I mean, think about how horrible it would have been if the people had just been fired and left on the street. Like, he's giving them eight months.
- [38:48]
Tim Pool
Who's gonna say no?
- [38:49]
Phil Labonte
Well, a lot of people are saying no, apparently.
- [38:51]
Ian Crossland
How many? So 40,000 said yes. Out of how many so far, Anybody got that number?
- [38:55]
Phil Labonte
A million or something?
- [38:55]
Tim Pool
Yeah, a couple million. But the question is this, how many people would, if I said what's, what's. Would you want to start a business? Nuance, bro.
- [39:04]
Nuance Bro
Sure.
- [39:06]
Tim Pool
How about I give you eight months of funding to start your business?
- [39:10]
Nuance Bro
Oh, that sounds great.
- [39:11]
Tim Pool
Sounds great, doesn't it? And benefits healthcare.
- [39:12]
Nuance Bro
But here's the thing. If you've been working for the federal government for 19 years and you're like, oh, I could get that 20 year pension once I hit that 20 year mark, you're going to want to be like, I want to hit that 20 years because that's actually more money than eight months of, of severance.
- [39:27]
Phil Labonte
I don't know if people have made, if they've been made aware of this, but like, taking the offer might be the best option because DOGE may just come and get rid of their jobs after. Like, if they don't take this option, Doge might come, you know, the Doge. Doge might come after them.
- [39:43]
Nuance Bro
That's why people are scared.
- [39:44]
Phil Labonte
Yeah. And good. They, they should be. Like, the idea that this is some kind of horrible development for America, that, that it's a coup or any of that stuff. It's literally just trying to streamline the government. That's all that they're doing is trying to make cuts, which any functioning business does. This is the most normal thing that, that, that can possibly happen in a, in the private sector. You look at the people that are Working. You look at the job they're doing, if they're not doing a good job, you start making cuts. And this is something that should have happened. I mean, it should have happened multiple times in the past 50 years. Continue. There should be a, an ongoing effort to cut government. It shouldn't be just one time that Doge comes in. There should be every year. There should be audits that you have to pass, that you have to be, you know, show where all of the money that you're spending goes. This should be the most normal, mundane thing in the world. And the fact that the left is, is apoplectic about it and making it seem as if it's trying to make it seem as if it's an attack on, on, you know, average people, when average people are not going to be significantly affected by these things, in my opinion, it shows that they're the people that are going to lose because these programs are slush funds for the left and for their agenda. The more government that you have, the better the left likes it.
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Nuance Bro
Yeah, the Democrats are making a huge mistake by hitching their wagon to this like usaid because the only people who are at these protest or care about USAID for the most part in the United States or people who live maybe within like a 2 mile radius of Washington D.C. it doesn't make any sense. People like Axelrod, David Axelrod and even what's his name, who's that Democrat strategist that looks like a naked mole rat. He also says like they're making a mistake by like putting all their political. James Carville. They're all saying that Democrats are making a huge mistake by, by, by standing up for this instead of the things that really matter, like the Medicaid.
- [41:47]
Phil Labonte
Especially when you can show that these programs when tied to it like the gender affirming care in Guatemala or trans people in blah blah, blah in some foreign country. When you're sending millions of dollars, which granted a million dollars when it comes to the federal budget is nothing. But to the average American, a million dollars is a lot of money. If they got a million dollars, it would change their life. So when you can tie a million dollars to this stupid program, a million dollars to this stupid program. And then not only that, it's all stuff that's all like quote unquote woke and things that you're, that normal people are like, I'm not okay with that. When you can put those things together, you have a recipe for the worst PR imaginable. And the Democrats are walking right into it.
- [42:38]
Elad Eliyahu
I Think the most amazing thing here is how fast Trump is, is making all of these moves. And it really has the left in disarray. So in a different season, when Trump was reinvigorating ICE and talking about these mass deportations, that would have led to a whole social movement and Trump wouldn't, wouldn't have been able to do stuff for a month. But here he signs that the left isn't even able to organize around, around it. One day he's talking about taking over Greenland and the Panama Canal. You could have seen a whole round of protests against that. But since he's moving so quickly, they can't do that. This US Aid stuff so quickly, they can't get a response. He said he's withdrawing from the, from UNWRA and withdrawing the un, The US from the Human Rights Council. All of these moves, talking about taking over Gaza, that it really has all of the left in disarray. The speed that he's able to go through all this stuff and accomplish so.
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Ian Crossland
Much, he's starting to respond slowly. Mark Pokin, Representative Mark Pokin introduced a bill called. It's the Elon Musk Act. He introduced it this morning. It hasn't been made available to the public, but it prevents special government employees from taking government contracts. We've had, what's this class of government employee called Special government employees since 1962. And it lets you hire someone from the private sector without them having to quit their private sector job. And then you can appoint them in the executive or the legislative branch as a special government employee, as an administrator.
- [43:55]
Elad Eliyahu
I think it's just posturing. This bill isn't going anywhere. It's just posturing. It's called the Elon Musk. You might, you might as well just be. You know, I was trying to run on.
- [44:02]
Tim Pool
I got a question for you guys. Which county has the highest median income in the United States?
- [44:07]
Ian Crossland
Loudoun.
- [44:08]
Nuance Bro
It's the one that's right next to.
- [44:09]
Tim Pool
D.C. the one that's right next to D.C. it's Loudoun County. Yeah. And it's lawyers and lobbyists and other people funded through these crackpot government programs. This place would not exist if they were not taking taxpayer dollars and dispersing them.
- [44:25]
Ian Crossland
I tell you, man, with the age of artificial intelligence is a little bit of a tangent here. But those jobs will be displaced. Lawyers displaced, that they're not going to have jobs going to do it for them, for us. We don't need to pay.
- [44:37]
Tim Pool
Let's pause real quick. There's already been a bunch of scandals where Lawyers were caught drafting up legal arguments using chat GPT. Oh, my God. Manufact. Fake precedent. And it put in fake cases. And judges were like, that's not a real case.
- [44:49]
Ian Crossland
Yeah, you. Maybe you would call them. I don't. The parasite class. But people that are, like, trying to profit off of things you should be able to do yourself, if you only knew how those people are going to be. Just that those jobs will be terminated.
- [45:00]
Tim Pool
Say that again.
- [45:01]
Ian Crossland
People that are profiting off of doing something for you that you should know how to do yourself, you should be able to, like, lawyer, a lawyer. You should be able to represent yourself in court. You're legally allowed to. And if you knew enough about it, you could. But because of the cost of schooling and like, not everyone wants to. I get that, but you still can. Those jobs are going to be terrible.
- [45:21]
Tim Pool
It's largely because the lawyer game is not about what's true and correct. It's about what you can argue.
- [45:26]
Ian Crossland
Yeah.
- [45:26]
Tim Pool
And so we in this country, like, based on what you're saying, we believe that good men of honor and integrity who are trying to get to the truth should be able to make those arguments. But then the issue is there's rules in court. There's rules to how you can argue or present a case. There's when is the office open? If you file this paper and get this permit, when does it got to be submitted to this office? And if you don't know those things, you're going to lose. So a person representing themselves, that's why they have a fool for a client, as the saying goes, because they're going to walk in and be like, I'm honest. I have the truth on my side, and I'll tell people the truth. And then the lawyer is going to say, your honor, based on this reason and that reason, strike that from. From the record. And then the judge is going to be like, your evidence is out. And you're like, wait, what? Why?
- [46:06]
Ian Crossland
But with our good artificial intelligence program that will guide you through the process and let you avoid all those pitfalls, you'll be. You may be on. You'll be in prison school for eight years for it.
- [46:16]
Tim Pool
You'll be in prison and you'll have a cellmate, like, what are you in for? And you'll be like, honestly, I didn't do anything, nor was I arrested, but the AI made a miscalculation on my name and put me instead of the other guy who's also named Tim Pool in prison.
- [46:27]
Ian Crossland
Maybe at first. I mean, it's not going to be a perfect process. But I think that's the idea is that it is going to displace 40% of the workplace or something within the next.
- [46:34]
Elad Eliyahu
I'm a huge skeptic. I think we're being sold a false bill of good and have the market evaluation boom that we've been seeing off of the marketing of AI. It doesn't hold water in any way. People talk about the applications of AI. I don't think we're going to see them the way that people are panning them out. I think we've been sold false technological advances in the past that haven't panned out and we're just being sold more and more of them now. I think the chat bots that we see now are wrong half of the.
- [47:02]
Phil Labonte
Time with full self driving, we don't.
- [47:04]
Elad Eliyahu
Have full self driving in a meaningful way.
- [47:06]
Tim Pool
What do you mean?
- [47:06]
Elad Eliyahu
We have it.
- [47:07]
Phil Labonte
I draw. I do it every day.
- [47:09]
Tim Pool
Yeah. What do you mean?
- [47:10]
Elad Eliyahu
We have full self driving in certain parts of the country that isn't completely.
- [47:13]
Tim Pool
No, that's not true.
- [47:13]
Phil Labonte
That's not true.
- [47:14]
Tim Pool
I can get in. I have. I have two Teslas and I push a button. I put my hands down and I stare and it drives by.
- [47:19]
Elad Eliyahu
You need to hold.
- [47:19]
Tim Pool
No, you don't.
- [47:20]
Phil Labonte
No, you don't.
- [47:20]
Elad Eliyahu
You don't need to hold. The do not go wrong. It doesn't ever.
- [47:23]
Nuance Bro
No. But here's. Here's what he.
- [47:24]
Tim Pool
Three years. Two. Two years ago maybe. But right now, if I get into my Tesla, I click the button one time and it drives straight to my destination.
- [47:32]
Elad Eliyahu
So tonight we're supposed to have an ice storm here or something. You are to be willing to go and click a button and take you home to wherever you need to drive. Right now in these back roads in West Virginia.
- [47:41]
Tim Pool
Let me, let me pause. Let me pause you right there.
- [47:43]
Elad Eliyahu
Go ahead.
- [47:45]
Tim Pool
In many circumstances, the car reacts better than I do and a human being does. So actually when we were driving, it was last year in a snowstorm, I let the car drive itself because. Do you know how to respond to hydroplaning? Tell me what to do. If you hydroplane, you're supposed to break.
- [48:03]
Elad Eliyahu
Hard and then let the auto.
- [48:05]
Ian Crossland
Negative. You're supposed to. Or you're supposed to gently tap it. Don't. Don't slam.
- [48:09]
Tim Pool
You know what? I'm not going to argue with any of you because my self driving car automatically adapts to hydroplaning and corrects itself.
- [48:16]
Ian Crossland
And they have new brakes that will automatically adapt for you if you slam them.
- [48:19]
Phil Labonte
But the point is you can be. You can be a skeptic about AI all you'd like but AI is advancing faster than. Than you could believe. The end of this year full self driving unsupervised is alleged to be released. If not the end of this year, it'll be first quarter or something like that next year. Which means where you don't have to watch it like right now if you're, if you're driving you do have to keep your head up and look at the road. They'll there will be coming shortly one where you don't. That's what the Tesla taxi is based on. The. The. The autonomous taxi is based on the person doesn't have to do anything, does it right now? Exactly.
- [48:57]
Tim Pool
You get. But they. You get an attack.
- [48:58]
Elad Eliyahu
You don't have widespread effective as I understand still on the streets self driving cars.
- [49:04]
Tim Pool
You're right.
- [49:04]
Elad Eliyahu
I think with chat I actually chat bots.
- [49:09]
Nuance Bro
I have a, I have a Tesla too with driving. But here's the thing. The edge cases are the main like it can do most like 99% of things it can do. But the problem is if you're going to do it for everyday application and over, you know, long periods of time, it still has problems with edge cases. That's why it's that, that's why it's not like.
- [49:29]
Tim Pool
No like what's an example of an edge case.
- [49:31]
Nuance Bro
An edge case will be for example if a leaf falls the exact way or there's like a strange object in the street that it doesn't know if it's like a shadow because it's working purely on vision. Because Tesla only does vision. They got rid of the radar. They don't do lidar with just a vision and it doesn't have any gimbals. So it can like move around and stuff. It's hard for it to completely identify objects the same way humans can in edge cases because it's.
- [49:55]
Tim Pool
Let me pause real quick. There's also a thing called blind spots that's been around since the creation of cars.
- [50:01]
Nuance Bro
Yeah.
- [50:01]
Tim Pool
And humans also can't see 100% either. And humans can do accidents too.
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Nuance Bro
No, I think it's safer than humans. I think like mile per mile right now it's safer than humans. If you're trying to have it as like a at day to day long term application. Those edge cases are still what trips.
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Phil Labonte
Remember what, remember what started this conversation. A lot is skeptical of AI and the point is AI is progressing faster than most people can say. So I don't Whereas we can talk about edge cases all, all we want and there are going to be edge cases and stuff like that. AI is the technology that people say that.
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Elad Eliyahu
So Phil, I don't think that the AI that we're being marketed right now justifies the doubling, tripling, quadrupling of a lot of tech stocks that we're see right now in the stock market is my point.
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Phil Labonte
There are bubbles. Absolutely. And there was. Okay, but that's. That what's going on in, in the, in the stock market is different from what's going on practically.
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Elad Eliyahu
That's what I was.
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Phil Labonte
You're talking about. If you're talking about the, the cost or the value valuation of companies, that's one thing. But this is what happened with the dot com bubble too. There were everybody that had a dot com. The prices went crazy on everything that was dot com. You're. I agree with you about maybe there are companies that are overvalued, but it doesn't mean the underlying technology is not great.
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Elad Eliyahu
Okay, so we're not. But artificial isn't. It's really a marketing ploy because it's not artificial intelligence in any serious way. We think of the word. These chatbots are next word predictors. They're not actual artificials. Just talking about it in the way that we think of a cognizant.
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Phil Labonte
We were just talking about cars that drive themselves, not about LLMs.
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Elad Eliyahu
It's, it's. I don't think that's why, I don't think that's why Amazon and Microsoft are quadrupling their market caps because of self driving cars.
- [51:39]
Phil Labonte
It's this, this different chatbot technology has been going nuts.
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Elad Eliyahu
Okay, well, well I didn't mention them specifically. I'm talking about you know, maybe three fourths of the stock market that is, you know, booming because of these AI chips. But these chat bots are wrong half the time and these evaluations aren't justified. And I think we'll be seeing the consequences of that.
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Ian Crossland
I wanted to kind of wrap back into the end of this talk about Elon and Doge because I think people's fear, this terror that people are feeling is that what's going to happen is this unelected bureaucrat has been appointed into office and he's going to be able to go into an agency and fire people without any congressional. Well, he, he works with. He's like a CEO of Tesla of X. He owns billion dollars.
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Tim Pool
Let's clarify. He's not a bureaucrat.
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Ian Crossland
How do you define bureaucrat?
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Tim Pool
Bureaucrat is like an HR administrator who's like, hey, I want to come in here and use this room for Friday. Okay, well, fill out form H3B, then go speak with John over in administration and he'll get you. That's a bureaucrat. Okay. And so the deep bureaucracy that people refer to at the deep State is that, as we saw with the James O'Keefe undercover videos, Trump says, hey, we want to say pull all of our troops out of Syria or no, no, better. RFK is a better example. The guy said RFK will say, let's get Floyd out of water. And they'll go, okay, we're going to put together the commission to figure out how to do this. These are the people who are hired and basically just create bloat and obstacles to actually doing what RFK says just to do.
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Ian Crossland
Yeah. In fact, Elon made that point that the bureaucracy is a government that is run by the bureau and he want a democracy, or so he wants to bring it or the meritocracy, not a bureaucracy. So he wants to get away from the bureaucrats running the bureau, running the government. I agree with that. But people are afraid that a guy that was unelected has been appointed. He's a billionaire businessman and he's going to now have the unadulterated authority to go from organization to it's a lie. Apartment and fire people.
- [53:33]
Tim Pool
It's a lie. It's a lie. It's fake.
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Ian Crossland
I don't think he can. That's the thing. I know that the way I've been doing a lot of research and I posted a great post on X, if you want to follow up on this. He's been appointed the DOGE. The department was basically U.S. digital Services. Trump renamed it U.S. dOGE Services. It's the same organization that Obama created in 2014. It was legally created. It's legally there. He appointed Elon Musk as a special government employee. As the admin is to my. I haven't seen an official appointment. So as far as I know, USD ds, US DOGE Services doesn't have a current administrator. I think Elon's acting as de facto administrator. He might officially be there, but if you search for it, they give you the old administrator and he's doing legal appointments. He's allowed to work for 130 days a year in that capacity as the administrator of Doge.
- [54:18]
Tim Pool
He is not the administrator of doge.
- [54:19]
Ian Crossland
I don't think there is one right now which is concerning me.
- [54:21]
Tim Pool
So let's clarify. When you said he's allowed to work For a certain amount of time, it's irrelevant because he's not.
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Phil Labonte
And why. Why does it concern you?
- [54:27]
Ian Crossland
Well, you said somewhat. Because if he's doing the job de facto, but he's not technically appointed, that makes me nervous.
- [54:35]
Tim Pool
Why?
- [54:36]
Phil Labonte
But why is.
- [54:37]
Ian Crossland
Because you're supposed to follow the law and appoint the person to do the job. If they're doing it off the record, that's very dangerous for our country.
- [54:42]
Phil Labonte
Well, he's an advisor. He's an advisor to the president. The president can select whoever he wants.
- [54:46]
Nuance Bro
He's very concerned with process to give us.
- [54:48]
Phil Labonte
That's what it sounds like.
- [54:49]
Tim Pool
Ian wants bureaucracy.
- [54:50]
Ian Crossland
I think I'm like Thomas Massie like this. I'm obsessed with the process. And you need in the integrity of the process.
- [54:56]
Tim Pool
Let me ask you a question. Can Trump ask a friend for advice?
- [54:58]
Ian Crossland
Of course.
- [54:59]
Tim Pool
So we're done. There's nothing wrong with it if that.
- [55:04]
Ian Crossland
Was all that was happening. But Elon was actually hired as a special government employee, not even paid. But you can hire a special government employee with or without pay.
- [55:11]
Elad Eliyahu
He's still a special advisor.
- [55:12]
Tim Pool
So he was hired legally to do a legal job.
- [55:15]
Ian Crossland
I want to know what that was.
- [55:16]
Tim Pool
And what's happening now is I'm going to shout out. I was watching the Daily show last night, right?
- [55:21]
Elad Eliyahu
Shout out. Jon Stewart.
- [55:23]
Tim Pool
They literally, in the opening of the show, it says TDS in big bold letters for real. And they were doing this segment called is it legal? And they kept saying things that Elon or Trump had done. And then this guy is increasingly with shrugged by books and messy glasses going, I don't know if it's legal. And I just want to clarify something for you, Ian, and I want to clarify something for everyone listening. The question is not supposed to be is it legal? The question you need to answer that has no bearing on what we do or want is, is it illegal? Because the reality is we do not operate in this country upon fear of something not being legal. If it is not explicitly illegal, you can do it. If it is codified in law that is illegal to do or unlawful, then you cannot. So so when Elon Musk does things and they're not codified in law as crimes or unethical or anything like that, asking the question, is it legal? Is a waste of our time and is imposing upon free American individuals some kind of responsibility to the government to check with them if we're allowed to take actions? No, it is the other way around. The government's beholden to us. If Congress wants to pass a law and write it down and say, you can't do this. There's no question of is it. Is it legal? We do things as we see it. And if you got a problem, what did we find? They're. They're trying to pass a new bill. The Elon Musk Act. That's right. Right. Because what Elon is doing is totally legal, and there's no law saying he can't do it.
- [56:52]
Ian Crossland
That's what I'm wondering. So the executive order that Trump created Doge with, he. It said it mandates that Doge has an administrator that reports to the White House chief of staff. And I don't know who that administrator is. In order for this organization to function, it needs an administrator. I suppose it would just default to the president until he appoints one.
- [57:12]
Tim Pool
Let's just pause real quick. Who cares about that organization?
- [57:15]
Ian Crossland
Well, that's the organization that's credited with doing the work right now.
- [57:19]
Tim Pool
So what?
- [57:19]
Ian Crossland
So who's running it?
- [57:21]
Tim Pool
Who cares?
- [57:21]
Ian Crossland
I do, man. For what reason should everyone?
- [57:23]
Phil Labonte
Why?
- [57:24]
Ian Crossland
Because that's the process of our government. If you're going to, through executive order, create an agency that says you need an administrator, but then you never appoint one, what the hell is.
- [57:32]
Tim Pool
Where does it say you need an administrator for that?
- [57:33]
Ian Crossland
It says it in the executive order in section 2.3B. Read down. It's section 2. It's in section 2 of the. The executive order. We can pull it up. It says here, I'll pull up the executive order right now. If you were to structure reorganization arena section 3.
- [57:53]
Tim Pool
It is not a budgeted part of the United States government which requires approval from the. From Congress.
- [57:57]
Ian Crossland
3B. Section 3.
- [57:58]
Tim Pool
No, let me pause. Let pause again.
- [58:00]
Ian Crossland
Say that again.
- [58:00]
Tim Pool
The U.S. digital Service, despite its name, is not a budgeted part of the US Government which requires approval from the United States Congress.
- [58:08]
Ian Crossland
Correct. It was created by executive order by Obama.
- [58:11]
Tim Pool
So it is not a budgeted part of the U.S. government.
- [58:13]
Ian Crossland
Yeah.
- [58:14]
Tim Pool
So that means it's operating under only executive order. So Trump can literally do what he wants as the executive.
- [58:18]
Ian Crossland
Well, he signed the executive order that it says shall rep. The establishment of a temporary organization that shall. There should be a U.S. dOGE Services Administrator established in the executive office of the President, shall report to the White House chief of staff that Section 3B of the Executive order.
- [58:32]
Nuance Bro
He would feel more comfortable if he did another executive order saying, okay, we don't need an administrator, or if he.
- [58:36]
Ian Crossland
Appointed someone as the administrator publicly.
- [58:38]
Tim Pool
This is. This is. I got to be honest. You're arguing like, well, if it's the door is supposed to be locked, but you have a deadbolt. It's like a deadbolt is a lock and it's not like steel.
- [58:47]
Ian Crossland
Manning the argument that it's illegal, I want to make sure that we seal this up so that it can't be broken up in court and undone.
- [58:53]
Tim Pool
I think you're getting into nuance that quite literally not even the Democrats are getting into in terms of their complaints.
- [58:58]
Ian Crossland
I don't know, man. Maybe, maybe not. Maybe not.
- [59:00]
Elad Eliyahu
I think the arguments against Elon Musk is that he has many interests that the government is also involved in, and there's a conflict of interest there. He also has many business interests abroad. So, for example, he has Space X here, obviously Tesla here. He also has mega Tesla factories in China. So these are conflicts of interest down that give you an issue.
- [59:19]
Ian Crossland
If the government is the best argument I could think.
- [59:21]
Elad Eliyahu
I also do think Doge and Elon Musk is doing a good job. I think there are credible arguments that.
- [59:26]
Ian Crossland
This, this is the concern is that if the president, by executive order, sets up an 8A department that oversees tech companies, and then they hire a special government employee that happens to be the CEO of a tech company to oversee that organization that oversees tech companies while he's still the CEO of a tech company, you've got a big conflict of interest.
- [59:44]
Elad Eliyahu
Well, what if Xi Jinping just starts penalizing Elon Musk's mega factories in China? You know, then Elon Musk will feel the pain and he would, you know, hypothetically try to get Trump to work with them to stop, you know, him penalizing him in China. You understand that.
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Ian Crossland
No, no, no.
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Elad Eliyahu
Say that the issue with Elon Musk is that he has many business interests, domestic and abroad, that could potentially influence his thinking when talking to Trump. So, for example, in China, he has many mega Tesla factories. And if Xi Jinping wanted to penalize Elon Musk, he could hypothetically make it harder for him to do business in these factories. And that could influence the way Elon Musk would try to get Trump to negotiate on Xi Jinping with.
- [60:22]
Nuance Bro
Yeah, not stopping.
- [60:22]
Elad Eliyahu
Does that make sense?
- [60:23]
Nuance Bro
Here am I doing import tariffs from China. So.
- [60:26]
Elad Eliyahu
But yeah, but I don't know if that hit the Tesla stuff specifically. And I.
- [60:29]
Nuance Bro
Because Tesla doesn't really import from their.
- [60:32]
Elad Eliyahu
Factories on the international stuff, even domestically. Elon Musk has a lot of business interests with Space X where he has to work closely with the government. So the argument would be that having a close advisor who has so many interests with the government could be a conflict.
- [60:45]
Ian Crossland
Yeah. It doesn't mean that it's illegal.
- [60:46]
Elad Eliyahu
Elon Musk. No, legal, not illegal. But there, you know, it's conflict of interest.
- [60:50]
Ian Crossland
It could be a conflict of interest.
- [60:51]
Elad Eliyahu
It is a conflict of interest.
- [60:53]
Tim Pool
I think the, the issue here, I'll just give you my perspective, is this is a degree of granular bureaucratic debate that matters nothing to me. My concern is that we have departments like USAID and was it the National Endowment for Democracy or whatever. We have these activist organizations around the world that are being funded to the tune of massive amounts of money. And so when I see Elon Musk go in and be like, hey, guys, did you realize they just gave like $8 million over the past? You know, they're a million bucks a year to this news organization for bloated subscriptions, I go, oh, wow, why are we wasting that money? I don't care if it's a substantial portion of the revenue of that company. I just think I'd rather give all of that 8 million to a single 911 first responder in need of help. Literally. Let's just do that. How about that? Let's, let's all agree that instead of spending $30 million or whatever the number is in various media subscriptions, we just give it to one first responder or one veteran. I think that's just a better use of our time. So anyway, my point is this. Elon Musk is going in as a, effectively an advisor to the president, as a special employee. Trump could do it himself, but he's a busy guy. He has the authority to do it himself, but he's a busy guy. So he says, elon, you've got business experience. Go and find the bloat. And we have found so much insane bloat. Teaching Moroccans pottery for real. That was a really funny one I.
- [62:10]
Nuance Bro
Heard thousands of years, right?
- [62:14]
Tim Pool
There's one where it's spreading atheism in Pakistan, I think, or something like that. There was one where it was doing gender themed plays in Peru or something. So when Elon's like, hey, this is $40 million of your money going to these programs? I go, that's a really big problem. And then, Ian, with all due respect, you come and say, but is he. Is Elon allowed to point this out? And I'm like, well, Trump could point it out, but Trump asked Elon to do it. So I really don't care about the nuance or the granular bureaucratic debate of how do we, through the parliamentarian process, formalize Elon Musk, when not even Democrats care about that.
- [62:53]
Ian Crossland
There are times when I think that we talked about this last night, that breaking the law is the only way to move forward. Like suspension of habeas corpus. After the Civil War, they just dispensed with the Constitution and we're like, we're just going to do what we need to do to establish it. Well, but it worked.
- [63:07]
Tim Pool
Did it?
- [63:08]
Ian Crossland
Apparently.
- [63:09]
Tim Pool
Well, not apparently. Did it do?
- [63:12]
Ian Crossland
No.
- [63:12]
Tim Pool
What did the suspension of habeas corpus do?
- [63:14]
Ian Crossland
Allow the government to do? Crazy stuff.
- [63:15]
Tim Pool
Where and why?
- [63:16]
Ian Crossland
I don't know the specifics, but I know that they dispensed with the Constitution for a short period of time.
- [63:20]
Tim Pool
The suspension of habeas corpus was a corridor between D.C. and Pennsylvania specifically because Maryland was a slave state and they needed access to D.C. and they were concerned that the sympathies of Maryland would interfere with their ability to move troops to protect D.C. so they said from this corridor from here to down here in this, in this area, don't mess with the US we are at war. And there was an instance where a random guy got locked up and he refused to play ball. And they held them until the war was over and let him go. There was an instance where they went and arrested a bunch of the state representatives from Maryland for having southern sympathies. These things I don't feel were good. And I don't know that we have evidence that doing that actually improved the efforts to be fair. You can say the US government is securing this corridor under our full on, under martial law. But the argument that the general suspension of habeas corpus was a good thing that needed to happen, I don't know that that's true.
- [64:12]
Ian Crossland
I know. And in this situation, if people, if they feel like, look, we have been subjugated by a business class, by bureaucracy since 1913. The Federal Reserve, these bureaucrats have taken over our country. We need to suspend some sort of metaphorical habeas corpus to get our country back. I mean, and they're willing to break the law. I'm, I'm. The jury's out on whether or not that's a good thing because it's, it's the first step on a slippery slope. If you do it now, the next. You think the next president's not gonna go do it, they probably will. So you gotta be real careful about adhering to every letter of the law. That's why I'm bringing it up.
- [64:44]
Tim Pool
We have long maintained this position of. But guys, the Democrats are doing bad thing. And if we try to stop them. Then what happens if later on, someone else uses the powers we created to do bad thing as well? What that ignores in the slippery slope argument is that a bad thing is currently happening, happening. So the Democrats are abusing the system, spending money with reckless abandon to burn everything down and spread their crackpot Marxist ideology. And we go, wait, if we stop them doing evil later in the future, someone else might do evil. And I say, okay, when that happens, we will fight against that evil the same as we fight against this evil right now. That's the only thing I see. Because otherwise you end up with these scenarios where it's like, like, we better not implement this new policy lest they use it against us. And it's like, but they're using evil things against us right now.
- [65:35]
Ian Crossland
This is sort of the idea you.
- [65:36]
Tim Pool
Have to just win the culture war.
- [65:37]
Ian Crossland
Yeah. Like you've got in Dungeons and Dragons, kind of silly metaphor. You got law and chaos. You know, you get to pick how lawful do I want to be, how chaotic. You get to pick on that scale. And I'm sort of in the middle. Like, if a law is evil, then you don't. You should not do it. The Nazis, for instance, made all that crap they were doing legal in Germany. People should have been. They were people that were hiding Jews in their attic and stuff, were basically violating the law to do good. So you've got your law versus chaos, and then you've got your good versus evil, and you can be chaotic as hell and be really good. Oh, it's Robin Hood.
- [66:08]
Tim Pool
Ian, there's breaking news.
- [66:09]
Ian Crossland
Good.
- [66:11]
Tim Pool
Elon just announced that he's going to be redirecting the USAID funds into graphene production. So long as Ian stops calling him out.
- [66:21]
Ian Crossland
The Robin Hood of graphene.
- [66:23]
Tim Pool
Let's jump to this next story, ladies and gentlemen. We got this from the Post. Millennial Rep. Ilhan Omar advises Somali immigrants not to comply with ICE deportations. We then have this video from Libs of TikTok. Rep. Dan Goldman is now putting out videos in Chinese instructing illegal aliens how to evade ice. Why is he trying to protect Chinese murderers, spies, and criminals who are in our country illegally? Well, let me show you this. This is 1907 title 8 USC 1324A offenses which includes something called encouraging or inducing. Subsection 1324A1A4 makes it an offense for any person who encourages or induces an alien to come to enter or reside in the United States knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such coming to entry or residence is or will be in violation of the law. In other words, Rep. Dan Goldman, AOC, Ilhan Omar and many other Democrats are quite literally violating a federal law which has a penalty for inducement of up to five years in prison. So I really doubt the DOJ is gonna come after these people and put them in prison, but they're quite literally breaking federal law by doing this. And so my question to all of you as we jump into this story, what happens if we don't enforce this law and we tell Democrats as a large political class, you can break it?
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Nuance Bro
Well, it's arguable if they are breaking. So, for example, if they are saying, and this goes out to all my illegal immigrant friends out there, and I'm telling you this, that would probably be breaking the law. But if they're saying, hey, a lot of, you know, people who aren't illegals, people who are maybe asylum people and other various, like, legal status, you know, migrants are getting caught up in this sort of stuff, and they're telling it for those people and maybe it could apply to illegals that would not necessarily be illegal.
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Phil Labonte
Well, I mean, I'm not sure if that's actually the case or not. And I'm not sure exactly how they're articulating, like, what they're actually saying. There are people that are saying, oh, well, if they're just informing people of their right to keep, to remain silent, and that's not illegal, and I'm not so sure that it isn't because they're. These people are residing here. Good.
- [68:43]
Tim Pool
Let's. Let's just take a pause real quick. If a guy walked into a bank and went to the teller and said, can you please, with expedience, empty out that drawer and fill this sack up for me? When the police show up to arrest him for bank robbery and he goes, I wasn't robbing them. I just asked them if they would give me their money and they said yes. Do you think that's going to fly.
- [69:06]
Nuance Bro
In court, that particular circumstance? Probably not, but.
- [69:12]
Tim Pool
So the issue at play is the question is going to be, do Ilhan Omar and do. Does AOC and Dan Goldman know that the information they are giving specifically is aiding and abetting illegal immigrants? And I think any reasonable person would be like, well, of course they're talking about illegal immigrants. ICE isn't going after legal immigrants.
- [69:31]
Nuance Bro
No, but they've been citing cases where that has been the case. And a lot of the people that they're saying, for example, do you actually.
- [69:39]
Tim Pool
Believe that AOC Goldman and Omar are specifically trying to inform legal residents of the United States their legal rights.
- [69:45]
Nuance Bro
I think in their opinion, a lot of them are. For example, the Haitian stuff. I'll give you the Haitian stuff. When Trump was citing the Haitian migrants in Ohio and everything, a lot of people on the Republican side are saying, those are illegal migrants. The Democrats are like, no, no, no. Those people came in through legal programs, whatever. I think a lot of us would argue, well, those were under the Biden administration. They, like, made illegal immigration.
- [70:07]
Tim Pool
I understand that there is a distinction. Do you actually think that Ilhan Omar in this story specifically is looking at legally residing Somali migrants?
- [70:16]
Nuance Bro
It's not about what you think. It's about what you can prove in court.
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Tim Pool
And that's my point. So when you say it's questionable as to why they broke the law. Sure. But doesn't matter, because I think any reasonable person knows they're not talking about legal residents who are scared of ice, because if you're a legal resident and ICE shows up to you, say, here's my green card, here's my id, what's the problem? They say, have a nice day. When they're saying, don't talk to them. That advice only applies to someone who does not have legal status.
- [70:42]
Nuance Bro
I mean, that's, that's what I would say. I think they're. They're doing it for illegals. But I'm just saying, from a, like a prosecutorial perspective, I think.
- [70:50]
Tim Pool
Any reaction? Well, it depends on your jurisdiction. If you go to a, if you go to New York, the jury is going to say, can we nullify this because we want illegal immigrants here? But the simple.
- [71:00]
Nuance Bro
I'm not so sure about that.
- [71:01]
Tim Pool
Well, fair point, fair point, fair point, point. Now, now it's really this simple. If you had a jury of 12 individuals of regular random people and said, do you genuinely believe that when Dan Goldman spoke Mandarin advising people how to avoid ICE and immigration enforcement, do you believe his intention was to provide relevant legal information to legally residing Americans? No one says, yes.
- [71:29]
Ian Crossland
I got to push a little on it even, unfortunately, because I'm enjoying this. It's like people saying, don't talk to the cops, even if you're done nothing wrong, don't talk to the cops. And this might be a similar. Like you could argue this is a similar thing, I think is not.
- [71:41]
Tim Pool
Because first, when it comes to telling someone, don't talk to the cops, that's a general, broad statement that applies to all Americans of all status, whether they've committed crimes or not. When you say specifically Immigrations and Customs Enforcement is coming to deport illegal, illegal immigrants. If they approach you, you do not talk to them. We are talking about people who are, who are actively committing a crime and you advising them on how to avoid. Which is specifically codified in laws inducing them to reside in this country. If you went to someone. So there are other questions in other crimes being committed. If someone had bag of drugs on them and you said, you've got drugs on you. Yo, bro, you got crack and cocaine. That's a felony. They're going to catch you. And when they do, you will go to prison. Listen, let me give you some advice to help you avoid law enforcement. You can actually get in trouble for that.
- [72:29]
Phil Labonte
Yeah.
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Tim Pool
If you're a lawyer. And you said, look. And now actually this. There's an interesting question about. I'm not a lawyer. Let me, I don't know if you guys know this. If a person is actively in the process of committing a crime and you're a lawyer, is a lawyer required to report that?
- [72:43]
Ian Crossland
I think, I would hope they would.
- [72:45]
Tim Pool
I think they're, I don't know. It's. So lawyers are. So if you're a criminal, legit criminal, and you tell your lawyer, yes, I committed that crime, the lawyer can't. I'm pretty sure the lawyers aren't supposed to go out and say, but I don't know, though.
- [72:57]
Phil Labonte
I don't know.
- [72:57]
Tim Pool
That could be wrong. Like, I know therapists have to report it. But the issue at play here, there's specifically a law saying encouragement or inducement to reside illegally in the US or with reckless disregard as to whether it would be legal or not. It's very broad, but I think it's fair to say we understand what these Democrats are doing. Trump is going after violent criminals, people who already broke the law, and Democrats are saying, we will provide you with materials to avoid detection, inducing them to reside here.
- [73:29]
Nuance Bro
Well, in your drug example, I actually, I'm not sure, but I don't think it would be illegal to say, look like you just inform someone of their rights, even though you know they might have committed a crime. Like, you're allowed to, to inform people of their rights. But if you said, for example, if your way of helping them is, hey, if you go hide in these specific locations or you do this or that, that's probably illegal. But if you would just inform people of their rights when it comes to dealing with law enforcement, I don't think that would necessarily constitute a crime.
- [74:00]
Tim Pool
I, I do think lawyers are required to report if their clients are actively committing crimes.
- [74:05]
Nuance Bro
Well, there's. I think they're still allowed to represent them. It's just the argument has to change. So it's like if your client murdered someone, you would say, say, yes, he killed, you know, this individual. But you have to, like, do you say there's like a mitigating circumstance and you try to get a lower sentence or maybe guilty by reason, not guilty by reason of an insanity? I don't know.
- [74:26]
Elad Eliyahu
Like, the thing here is that I think they're obfuscating really hard with the immigrants versus illegal immigrants. Even in this post Millennial article, they're saying Somali immigrants. So if they're not talking to illegals, I don't know what the exact, exact argument would be. Here's the thing. None of us are lawyers, but I'll tell you who is one. Dan Goldman. He graduated from Stanford, and he was actually one of the impeachment prosecutors, I think, for one of the Trump cases. So I'm sure this guy knows what he's doing. The thing, too, here is that it's a total virtue signal. I don't think anybody's reading Dan Goldman's Chinese tweet about, like, who is a Chinese person in Chinatown and using that information to try to avoid police. And I have full confidence in our police and ICE service members that they will be able to get the job done despite, you know, Ilhan Omar are giving hints about, you know, not opening the door or what have you.
- [75:15]
Nuance Bro
And what actually helps their defense is how kind of, like, alarmist they've been with their language, like, saying Trump's going to deport everyone who's an immigrant, like, not even stipulating illegal or whatever. They're just like, if you're, if you're just brown in America, they want to deport you and kill you. So that would probably help them in a court of law.
- [75:34]
Ian Crossland
I would need to hear specifics about what Ilhan said in this instance for this to see, like, did she incite them to continue to break the law?
- [75:43]
Nuance Bro
Did she focus right there. They have it.
- [75:46]
Elad Eliyahu
I advise the Somalian people that if ICE attempts to question you, you are not obligated to answer the question.
- [75:52]
Ian Crossland
That's a legal statement.
- [75:53]
Elad Eliyahu
That's like a don't talk to cops type statement, but.
- [75:57]
Tim Pool
Right. And so there is. There's a difference in that. It is Ryan Seacrest here. There was a recent social media trend which consisted of flying on a plane with no music, no movies, no entertainment. But a better trend would be going to chumbacasino.com it's like having a mini social casino in your pocket. Chumba Casino has over a hundred online casino style games, all absolutely free. It's the most fun you can have online and on a plane. So grab your free welcome bonus now@chumbacasino.com sponsored by Chumba Casino. No purchase necessary vgw group void where prohibited by law 18 + terms and conditions apply. It is, it is codified as a crime to induce someone to reside illegally in the US that's the distinction. It is not codified anywhere that inducing someone, like telling someone drugs are cool or whatever. I'm pretty sure it's not illegal, you know, giving your opinion on those things. But if someone is not a legal resident here and you are telling them they can stay, here's how you avoid detection from law enforcement. That may be inducement under the law.
- [76:55]
Ian Crossland
Yeah, that's illegal in these instances. It's.
- [76:58]
Phil Labonte
Well, I mean, everything is maybe because you have to prove it in a court.
- [77:01]
Nuance Bro
Well, no, we actually don't know if doing this particular thing would be like, even if it was just outright like, I am informing illegal immigrants of their rights when it comes to law enforcement, I still don't think that necessarily would be illegal.
- [77:15]
Ian Crossland
Oh yeah, but if she said illegal immigrants should reside, like if she starts to tell.
- [77:20]
Nuance Bro
That's an opinion.
- [77:22]
Tim Pool
This is why they say when Trump is like, there's violent criminals who enter the country illegally, they go, Trump hates immigrants.
- [77:28]
Phil Labonte
But it was, that was the 18 US code 1324 is what you were talking about, right, Tim? Because I, I, Yes. So it says any person who encourages or induces an alien to come to enter or reside in, encourages to reside in or induce.
- [77:43]
Nuance Bro
That's not that giving someone legal advice when it comes to their rights, when it comes to law enforcement is not you necessarily encouraging them to reside in the United States. It might have the effect of them residing if they're successful or, or whatever, but it doesn't like, that's more of a matter of process.
- [78:02]
Tim Pool
So all the, all the NGOs, here's the thing.
- [78:05]
Ian Crossland
Yeah.
- [78:05]
Tim Pool
The bus drivers in Arizona that were loading up with illegal immigrants and bringing them in, they need to go to prison.
- [78:13]
Ian Crossland
Oh, this is interesting because people are terrified of political retribution right now. And we got to be real specific, like prosecutorial discretions.
- [78:20]
Tim Pool
Donald Trump and the DOJ needs to find those bus drivers that were, that were ferrying illegal immigrants into the country. And they knew they were because James O'Keefe exposed them them and put them in prison.
- [78:29]
Ian Crossland
I would if they were doing it still, I would agree on the spot. But because they were doing it under the authority of oh, they knew it was wrong.
- [78:37]
Tim Pool
Watch the videos from James O'Keefe. They panic when they find out that they have been filmed breaking the law. They knew what they were doing was illegal and they did it anyway because they got cash for it. Lock them up.
- [78:48]
Phil Labonte
Yep.
- [78:49]
Elad Eliyahu
I think Tom Homan should take this as a challenge.
- [78:51]
Nuance Bro
Hey, whenever asylum seekers, I don't know.
- [78:55]
Elad Eliyahu
Well, that's how they try to off escape. And then with you were. You were spot on earlier when you mentioned how Joe Biden legalized a lot of citizens.
- [79:02]
Tim Pool
I think the illegal. The pilots of of aircraft who knew they had illegal immigrants on their planes should also be charged.
- [79:09]
Ian Crossland
I mean it was definitely an unethical thing to do.
- [79:11]
Tim Pool
This is. It was a fact during the past four years that there were commercial flights where pilots knew they were ferrying large amounts of illegal immigrants across the country. You also had the story where into Tennessee I think it was they were taking illegal immigrant children, putting them on planes and flying them into various cities. One of the big stories was Westchester, New York in the middle of the night, illegal immigrants were being ferried into these places. Some using government taxpayer money. People flew those planes.
- [79:41]
Ian Crossland
You know, it's very similar.
- [79:42]
Tim Pool
People service those flights and they should have said no.
- [79:45]
Elad Eliyahu
Should we criminally charge Greg Abbott for busing all the illegal migrants to New York?
- [79:50]
Tim Pool
There's a question about that.
- [79:51]
Elad Eliyahu
That's that' between him and DeSantis, bro. I don't like what they're doing here.
- [79:55]
Tim Pool
So to be fair, they were trying to deport them and Biden wouldn't let them.
- [79:58]
Elad Eliyahu
Hey, Tish. James, secure our borders here in New York. Mayor Adams constantly complaining about this. You got to go after the guy.
- [80:04]
Phil Labonte
The guy what here in New York?
- [80:07]
Ian Crossland
He's from New York. Yeah, he's a New Yorker. It's kind of like after the Civil War they really did kind of have the authority to imprison all those Confederates. All the ones that fought. They could have been like authority. Yeah. Like they like insurrection. Like you guys all were part of an insurrection. You're all they could have imprisoned and destroyed.
- [80:27]
Tim Pool
But let's just humanity across clear. The winners of a war do what they want to the losers and they could have obliterated. This doesn't need. There's no legal precedent for like it's not a legal codified law issue of when you get to go to war, war happens. And so what you're really saying is the confederates were conquered and the Union could have done whatever they wanted. As were the words of Ulysses S. Grant when he said, you have a right to revolt, but when you lose, you will be ruled over by your betters.
- [80:54]
Ian Crossland
So it's sort of, it's a similar, much less magnitude, what we're experiencing right now with people that broke the law escorting migrant illegal migrants across the country and into the country. They were doing, you know, what you could consider after the fact a violation of law. But, like, do you prosecute and imprison them all? Because it's similar with the Confederates. You could have really went after them and they didn't because they wanted reunification.
- [81:13]
Tim Pool
And give them court supervision back to the Civil War again. But here's what happens. They go to court, they stand in front of the jury of their peers, and when they're convicted, the judge says, we're going to give you court supervision and a $50 fine. You were fairing illegals, and that's going to be on your record.
- [81:27]
Phil Labonte
Also, you know, the left is going to attempt to impeach Donald Trump again. Should they take the house in two years?
- [81:35]
Elad Eliyahu
100%.
- [81:35]
Phil Labonte
There, there will be, there, there will be continuation of lawfare. All the stuff that was happening under Biden's, his presidency, if a Democrat wins after Donald Trump, all of that stuff's going to go back into effect. So they'll go after, they'll go after the media again. They're going to go after Trump's family, they're going to go after people that are in the Trump administration. They will go after Elon Musk. This is all, all, this is all guaranteed.
- [82:02]
Ian Crossland
An example of you manifesting the story.
- [82:05]
Tim Pool
Let's jump to the story from Vibe. Donald Trump faces first articles of impeachment second term. It has begun. Ladies and gentlemen, Rep. Al Green. He has begun. And still I rise. Sure does, Mr. Speaker.
- [82:18]
Elad Eliyahu
And I rise today, Mr. Speaker, with a to whom it may concern message. To whom it may concern. Ethnic cleansing in Gaza is not a joke, especially when it emanates from the.
- [82:34]
Tim Pool
President of the United States, the most powerful person in the world, when he has the ability to perfect what he says. Well, I don't care about his grandstanding injustice.
- [82:46]
Elad Eliyahu
I rise to announce that the movement.
- [82:50]
Tim Pool
To impeach the president has begun. I rise to announce that I will bring articles of impeachment against the president for dastardly deeds proposed and dastardly deeds done.
- [83:04]
Elad Eliyahu
Done.
- [83:04]
Phil Labonte
This is the future.
- [83:06]
Tim Pool
I also rise to say, I don't care what else you had to say, buddy.
- [83:09]
Ian Crossland
It's kind of vague.
- [83:10]
Nuance Bro
That gold plated cane is really, this.
- [83:13]
Phil Labonte
Is what American politics are going to be moving forward.
- [83:17]
Elad Eliyahu
It's so backwards politics.
- [83:19]
Tim Pool
Singular or plural?
- [83:20]
Ian Crossland
It's both.
- [83:21]
Phil Labonte
Yeah.
- [83:21]
Ian Crossland
I thought that same thing. I, you could say politics is great. I think it's that politics is great a lot.
- [83:27]
Elad Eliyahu
Sorry, I was going to say the real backwards and ironic thing here is that Trump is trying to bring a historic piece to the Middle east where he's really taking conventional, conventional wisdom and flipped it on his head and he would be, continue to be a historic figure and be a more historic figure after bringing peace to Gaza and that's what they're going to try to impeach him for.
- [83:47]
Ian Crossland
When he said he wanted to buy.
- [83:49]
Tim Pool
Gaza, he didn't say buy.
- [83:51]
Phil Labonte
No, they're not, they're not trying to impeach him for what he's doing in Gaza. They're trying to impeach him because he is the opposition and the, the, what he's doing in Gaza is simply the excuse. They impeached him two times after he was, was, he was elected. They're impeaching him because he is actually a representative of the American people and he is not a member of the, the approved deep state, whatever you want to call it, the approved elite class. It has nothing to do with Gaza and it has everything to do with. He is doing things to the, to the entrenched bureaucracy and the, the quote unquote deep state that they find defensive. It is not about Gaza at all.
- [84:35]
Nuance Bro
That's not going to go anywhere. The Republicans control the House. You know, MTG did it with, with Biden or whatever.
- [84:43]
Phil Labonte
Like it's not going to, I mean look, it may not, but if the, if the Republican, if the Republicans don't hold the House in the midterms, there will be articles of impeachment drawn up. I bet any, because this is going.
- [84:55]
Tim Pool
To be the future won't go anywhere. They're drawing them up already. Yeah, but they're not going to make it anywhere. And this guy's done this before.
- [85:01]
Elad Eliyahu
It's good on him politically. I'm sure he'll be able to go back to his district. There are 450 some odd reps and he's going to go district and said hey, I drafted up articles impeachment of impeachment against the fascist who's deporting all of our brothers and migrants here in town.
- [85:17]
Phil Labonte
The point is this is going to continue to, to degrade the quality of our politics and the quality of our representatives and it will probably end up with the United States becoming another basket case of a country in the long run unless we can prevent these kind of people from being elected. But we have an electorate that continues to keep electing them.
- [85:39]
Ian Crossland
Well, you got to be responsible with you're telling people is going to happen.
- [85:42]
Phil Labonte
I can talk about stuff as I see it.
- [85:45]
Ian Crossland
You're assuming right now.
- [85:47]
Phil Labonte
Of course I'm assuming that.
- [85:48]
Tim Pool
He doesn't mean it's true.
- [85:50]
Phil Labonte
He's literally saying.
- [85:51]
Tim Pool
Dude, are you saying that Phil's assuming if the Democrats win the midterms they'll impeach him?
- [85:56]
Ian Crossland
Yes.
- [85:57]
Tim Pool
It's literally what they did in Trump's first term. And that's called prediction.
- [86:01]
Ian Crossland
Yes. Something of prediction. Yes.
- [86:04]
Phil Labonte
And the idea that you should. That I should be reprimanded for articulating.
- [86:08]
Ian Crossland
Just be responsible with what you're saying. It's exactly what I'm saying that to happen. Go push it man. But if you don't want that to happen, create a better reality out of your mind.
- [86:15]
Tim Pool
They're literally right now.
- [86:17]
Phil Labonte
I'm absolutely not going to hold my tongue about ideas just because you think things can manifest. Sorry, what do you think you're doing.
- [86:24]
Ian Crossland
With your, your spell?
- [86:25]
Phil Labonte
I'm articulating what my spell?
- [86:27]
Ian Crossland
Yeah, listen.
- [86:29]
Phil Labonte
Nobody can change the weather. Ian. I cannot make things manifest in the world just because I'm talking about them. That is ridiculous.
- [86:37]
Tim Pool
This.
- [86:37]
Phil Labonte
Okay, I don't believe, I don't believe in that stuff at all, dude.
- [86:42]
Ian Crossland
It's not real. Phil, you can change.
- [86:43]
Tim Pool
Ian, Ian, ian manifested the 51st state of Gaza, dude.
- [86:47]
Ian Crossland
You go on TV and tell 500,000 people something's gonna happen. You don't think that they're gonna self.
- [86:52]
Phil Labonte
Fulfilling prophecy and stuff care how much you don't like what I'm saying. That's. I do not give one crap about you worrying about spooky things going on because I said something. I'm going to articulate what I think is possible or likely whether you like it or not.
- [87:11]
Ian Crossland
Okay. Possible or likely is way better than saying it will happen.
- [87:14]
Tim Pool
Let's just you know, make, make a bet. Thousand bucks.
- [87:17]
Ian Crossland
It's just, it's up to us, man. You, you have a microphone, you have power to change people's minds up the.
- [87:23]
Nuance Bro
Stakes mitt Romney level 10,000 bucks.
- [87:25]
Tim Pool
Yeah, I'm. I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure that if poly market made a market for if Democrats win the midterms they will impeach Donald Trump it would be 100%, it'd be 90.
- [87:37]
Nuance Bro
And maybe it Already exists. I don't know.
- [87:39]
Tim Pool
Let's look it up. Will Trump get impeached? Poly market.
- [87:46]
Ian Crossland
Yep, yep.
- [87:48]
Elad Eliyahu
What's the.
- [87:51]
Tim Pool
All right, so this is not with the, this is not including winning the, the midterms, however, and this market.
- [88:01]
Nuance Bro
What's the time on this?
- [88:02]
Tim Pool
So right now, whole term. Will Trump be impeached in 20, 25? 12%. That's a terrible bet.
- [88:08]
Nuance Bro
Yeah, that's this year, right?
- [88:10]
Tim Pool
That's what I'm saying. It's not. Let me see if I can do a search on Trump impeachment and see what they, what they offer up. Why isn't this not.
- [88:18]
Nuance Bro
Is there one for his term?
- [88:20]
Tim Pool
Yeah, there is. It's what I have. But there's nothing here. So let's do impeach will Trump. There's only one market and it's will be. Will Trump be impeached this year? So they don't have. Have it. They do not have it. However, it's fair to say that any, any reasonable individual, based on literally what happened the first time and literally the same guy filing the same articles like he did the first time, if the Democrats win the midterms, they will file to impeach Trump immediately. Immediately.
- [88:51]
Elad Eliyahu
It's very opportunistic for Democrats to impeach Trump because whoever does it, whoever is the prosecutor in that, will have political clout after that. So, for example, we were talking about Dan Goldman earlier. He was the prosecutor win one of the Trump impeachments and went on to run for public office. So there's a lot of opportunity here for a lot of Dems to advance their career by going at Trump.
- [89:12]
Ian Crossland
When it comes to assuming the future, I think there are a lot of safe things to assume. Like, the sun will come up tomorrow. I will take a piss later. Like I can. You can make basic assumptions that are pretty obvious, and this might be one that, like, look, it is just the nature of.
- [89:26]
Tim Pool
He literally already filed. He's already announced, he's filing these. These. And the only thing is missing now is the majority in the House to actually get the vote on it.
- [89:34]
Ian Crossland
So. But there are things that might seem like, hey, it happened in the past, therefore, but with the power of mass media, like in mass formation, I do.
- [89:42]
Tim Pool
Not believe that Democrats are all going to watch this clip of Phil saying, oh, no, they'll impeach. And then they go, oh, my God, Phil's right, we should impeach Trump.
- [89:51]
Elad Eliyahu
If they're getting their political plays from Phil on Tim cast irl.
- [89:54]
Tim Pool
But the opposite of his point they're like, whatever Phil says, I'll do the opposite. Oh, he said we're going to impeach. Guess we should.
- [90:00]
Nuance Bro
I could, I could see a rationale for Dems to actually not impeach Trump because I think some of the rationale the first time, you know, is, well, we can prevent him. Like, we could just dirty his name so much that he won't have the political capital to win another reelection. He'll be dead in the Republican Party. MAGA is dead. Well, now that they saw it actually kind of helped him.
- [90:22]
Tim Pool
Yeah.
- [90:22]
Nuance Bro
And the American people were kind of pissed that Dems wasted all this time in political capital on the impeachment. To, to have them do that again, I think would, they would lose a lot of support and I think it might be counterproductive.
- [90:36]
Phil Labonte
I hope you're right. I would like to.
- [90:37]
Tim Pool
I, I kind of think that what we are witnessing right now is Donald Trump's march to the sea. I think that Trump has routed the Deep state and now he is just smashing through the institutions and raising their, their farms and raising their fields. It doesn't mean the war is over, but this is the point at which, I don't know, the deep state recovers from the gutting of usaid, CIA getting mass bios, FBI agents getting, you know, the FBI sued Trump. They sued the admin to stop the, the, the surveys from going out. And the FBI delivered a list of 5,000 agents, agents who are working on the January Six. So it's over. The lawsuit's now moot. Judge is going to be like, he's already got the information. Why are you suing? So that's it. This is, this is political scorched earth strategy that Trump is doing.
- [91:28]
Ian Crossland
And Marco Rubio a couple days ago said that in five years we won't be talking about tariffs anymore because the US Dollar will no longer have the power that it has anymore. Like we've, we've, we've, we've left the unipolar world. Now he's saying like he gave it a five year time win window that the Russian bricks, it's just become so powerful that this whole paradigm is like, you know, that to think that we're the ones in charge is kind of, you know, it's losing, it's losing its fervor.
- [91:58]
Elad Eliyahu
That'd be a dark, dark day on planet Earth. Yeah, I didn't see Rubio say that.
- [92:01]
Nuance Bro
Yeah, it's on video.
- [92:03]
Ian Crossland
Yeah, he, I saw. It wasn't a couple days ago.
- [92:05]
Elad Eliyahu
Can you tell me one more time? He Said the dollar was going to.
- [92:07]
Ian Crossland
Be said in five years. We will longer be discussing tariffs because they won't have any effect.
- [92:13]
Tim Pool
Right. Because we're going to be on bitcoin.
- [92:15]
Phil Labonte
That would be true.
- [92:17]
Tim Pool
Eric Trump tweeted something like now's a good time to get Ethereum.
- [92:20]
Ian Crossland
Yes. Yesterday.
- [92:21]
Tim Pool
He said that yesterday.
- [92:22]
Ian Crossland
Yeah.
- [92:23]
Tim Pool
And the interesting thing is they were working in the administration on something about what did they say Tax free American crypto.
- [92:30]
Ian Crossland
Yeah, A Solana. I think Ripple was in.
- [92:34]
Tim Pool
I think. I think you said Ethereum Cardano.
- [92:36]
Ian Crossland
He didn't mention Ethereum.
- [92:38]
Tim Pool
Cardano was one of H Bar was another one. These American based cryptocurrencies will be tax exempt and I capital gains. I don't know if that's true though. I own some Cardano. Disclosure.
- [92:49]
Ian Crossland
A conference in the Middle east somewhere. It was either the United Arab Emirates. Were you able to find.
- [92:54]
Elad Eliyahu
I wasn't able to find anything.
- [92:55]
Ian Crossland
I saw it on Twitter. Yeah, it was like part of a speech thing he was giving.
- [92:58]
Elad Eliyahu
Oh, by the way, because that would be. That would mean his time in state was a complete failure. Failure. If that was the case, he might as well be saying, hey, I'm about to do the worst job ever and you should probably fire me right now because you know, that's where a lot of American power comes from. That would mean sanctions don't do anything. A lot of American power derives around the dollar. That's the global reserve.
- [93:22]
Ian Crossland
Oh, he said it's why I think sanctions, not tariffs. Sanctions. Sanctions. I'm sorry, interrupt.
- [93:26]
Elad Eliyahu
Sanctions won't work anymore. In five years.
- [93:29]
Ian Crossland
Rubio is upset that US will no longer be able to post sanctions as they switch from the settlement in dollars to other national currencies. And then, quote, in five years we'll no longer be able to talk about sanctions.
- [93:38]
Phil Labonte
This is the whole reason that I talk about mandatory spending. The reason that the US Won't have the reserve currency anymore is too many countries will move to other things because they don't believe that the US is going to remain solvent in the long term because we have to fix Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid.
- [93:56]
Tim Pool
I can't remember which institution. But they're predicting in Trump's first term, Bitcoin hits 500. 500,000 sick. I don't know that's true. I don't know whatever. But there's a lot of speculation that what Donald Trump is doing in terms of tariffs and international trade isn't so much about Trump's retribution. It's about Trump rushing in to try and Put out a fire that can't be stopped. And there's concern that the movement away from the petrodollar, the Brics nations and all these things, it's a snowball rolling down a hill and Trump's coming in and he's trying to throw a rope around it, but I ain't going to do nothing. I don't know.
- [94:31]
Ian Crossland
The, the US debt clock's pretty interesting. They got a Doge clock on it now.
- [94:34]
Tim Pool
How much we're being saved?
- [94:36]
Ian Crossland
Yeah, looks like we're, we're accruing about $50,000 a second in debt.
- [94:40]
Tim Pool
And it was funny cuz El was like, I don't know how they figured this out, but it's pretty accurate. Yeah, yeah, the do clock.
- [94:46]
Ian Crossland
And it looks like the Doge is saving us about the same amount. Debts going up. I don't know if that means that the debt has been cut in half. Half. It's going up half as fast because I don't know if the Doge is like subtracted from the debt or Doge.
- [94:59]
Tim Pool
Is how much has been saved, but the debt is still going up and it's going up.
- [95:02]
Ian Crossland
You could kind of calculate it 50,000 a second, roughly. In the DOGE clock, 40,000 a second.
- [95:08]
Phil Labonte
If you, you, if you take the Doge clock away, the actual national debt just goes up faster.
- [95:13]
Elad Eliyahu
Does it?
- [95:14]
Phil Labonte
Yeah, the national debt is going up. The national debt is going up that fast, even with Doge slowing the rate of it.
- [95:21]
Ian Crossland
I wonder that because, because two years ago was still going up 50,000 a second. Like the Doge clock hasn't seemed to slow it down.
- [95:27]
Phil Labonte
Two years ago the interest rate was different and two years ago you had less, less money that was accruing interest. So it might be, is. It's parabolic. And not only does it go up all the time, but it goes up faster and faster and faster because you're adding not only money to it, but the interest rate. Well, I'm not sure the interest rate varies, but you're adding money that's all accruing interest. So as you add more, more money to the principal that you've borrowed, the interest rate continues to accelerate and the.
- [95:55]
Nuance Bro
Spending goes up, the budgets go up.
- [95:57]
Ian Crossland
Yeah, I couldn't tell. I still can't tell. What you're saying is interesting though. That's, that's the one idea. But like before, that Doge clock I put on, it was basically going up at the same speed. A year ago it was going up at 50k a second.
- [96:09]
Nuance Bro
And it has same is better Than faster. Yeah.
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Ian Crossland
So, I mean, if, if those are the, if the Doge clock is not interfering with the debt, that would mean that it's basically saving what we're. Our debt increase. And our debt's actually not going up right now.
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Phil Labonte
No, no, our debt is going up. Listen, like I was saying the other night, or like, like I say a lot like, the, the things that Doge is cutting are all discretionary spending. So it's, it's a small portion of the annual expenditures by the federal government. The thing that drives the debt, the really big driver of debt is the mandatory spending, which is Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. Those are the things that need to get fixed. Those are the things that are going to make the United States insolvent. Those are the things that are actually an existential threat to the United States. You could cut all of the, you could, you could abolish the whole government and have zero discretionary spending, but you'd still have. As long as you had the administration of, of the, of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, you're still insolvent.
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Ian Crossland
You know how much, what percent it is of our debt is that.
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Phil Labonte
Is the Social Security?
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Ian Crossland
Yeah.
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Elad Eliyahu
Well, it depends on if budget.
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Nuance Bro
It's like two thirds.
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Elad Eliyahu
Are you including discretionary spending or not without discretionary spending? Discretionary. I think it's even bigger than that because I think with non discretionary.
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Ian Crossland
Oh, oh, I see.
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Phil Labonte
It's.
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Ian Crossland
Oh, wow.
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Phil Labonte
It's huge. And it, and it's, it's, it's. It continues to go up. It doesn't get smaller because more people, people go on to Social Security every day. The baby boomers are retiring. So all these people are being added to the Social Security rules, Medicare and Medicaid rules. And you have people that, you know there, it's a smaller percentage, but people that, that have any kind of Social Security benefit if they're injured and they can't work and they get government benefits, that all goes under the same thing. That's all mandatory.
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Elad Eliyahu
And to explain the difference between mandatory and non mandatory, as I understand, mandatory discretionary or non discretionary is mandatory and discretionary. Okay, well, mandatory is where it's written in law that they have to spend it on the specific things. And the thing too, about Social Security is that it's very difficult, near impossible to reform. It's kind of the third rail of politics, because everybody would vote against you if you chose to reform Social Security, which, that's part of the bubble that we are in and increasing in, which is true.
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Phil Labonte
But the remember, the option is, is either fix Social Security, address it now, or there is no Social Security.
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Elad Eliyahu
No, no, no. The option is run against Social Security and lose your race or run for not against Social Security and have a chance of winning your race. Because if you run against it, but.
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Phil Labonte
Then we're losing 95 a lot, then in 10 years the dollar explodes, then the entire economy goes away.
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Elad Eliyahu
I don't disagree with you.
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Phil Labonte
So the point, the point that I'm making is yes, what you're talking about about is practical for people that are running, but that's going to keep. As long as they keep kicking the can down the road, eventually this is going to destroy the U.S. economy.
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Elad Eliyahu
Yeah.
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Phil Labonte
And that means no Social Security. So you either fix Social Security, like do something to change it and fix it, or it goes away entirely.
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Elad Eliyahu
The political realities of it is that rolling running against Social Security will get you will quickly lost.
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Nuance Bro
You don't have to run against it to say you're going to fix it. But also on the Medicare Medicaid front.
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Elad Eliyahu
Wait, when you say you're going to fix it though, you're really talking about cuts to Medicare when you're pushed on it?
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Nuance Bro
No, no, but just for example, on Medicare Medicaid, I think Wall Street Journal reported that somewhere between like, like somewhere around 15% is just waste, fraud and abuse. So if you cut that out and people still get the same benefits and everything's more efficient. No, nobody's mad. They're, they're happy that you're, you're cutting like bad money. That's just going to like insurers and stuff.
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Phil Labonte
Like, the problem is when you're running and talking about trying to fix Medicare, your opponent says they're going to cut your Medicare, they're going to kill your grandma, they're going to blah, blah, blah, because there's someone's going to be opportunity fixes are cuts.
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Elad Eliyahu
You're. You, you'd only fix by taking away the wasteful spending. But I'm sure somebody's going to say one person's wasteful spending isn't.
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Nuance Bro
No, but I think the best way you do that is you say we're not cutting Medicare. All the money is going to stay in it in like the, the slush fund. So it's all surpluses. And then once you have a giant surplus, you can be like, hey, hey, we got a giant surplus. We're actually saving money. So it's not even a cut. You're like, well, we can just disperse this money to other programs.
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Elad Eliyahu
Yeah, I mean all of these programs obviously need reform, but the political realities on the ground is that the older you are, the more likely you are to vote. And then the older you are, the more likely you are to be getting Social Security benefits. So just the way that interests play out is that it's disastrous for your campaign. You're throwing in the towel by running on that, even saying you're only going to fix it. People will. Will tar and feather you as doing much worse.
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Phil Labonte
Well, yeah, that. That's. I think your opponent's gonna say.
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Elad Eliyahu
I think whatever Rick Scott talks about it or whatever from Florida, it's never because he's one of the guys who's an elected officer because they run.
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Nuance Bro
A lot of. A lot of these people run on it as like, we have to cut this or else we're gonna die. Instead. Run on, we. We need to fix this or else. Like, like, not from the cut perspective. Be like, all this money is being wasted and it's gonna go insolvent. We need to save the money and make it more efficient for the people who are receiving it so that this program can be there for forever.
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Elad Eliyahu
Hey, everybody wants to make things more efficient. And that sounds nice in theory, but in practice, when you get down to it, no, we need major reforms. We need to push the age up if we're actually going to fix this and not go off of some wasteful spending that they have. We need to push the age up to 70, obviously, and we need to be more restrictive with the health care that the government gives out.
- [101:47]
Tim Pool
With the gutting of usaid, Schumer said, who knows? You know, it could be this institution. He says, it could be the IRS next.
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Nuance Bro
Oh, no.
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Tim Pool
What if Trump just. Here's. I was talking to Lisa Reynolds earlier and I was like, could you imagine if Trump just came out, did a press conference where he was very. Just like, you know, low energy, as he sometimes is, and says, well, quite frankly, the. The IRS is, is very bad and we're going to shut it down. No more taxes on anybody. And if you have a problem with that, you can vote for Democrats. So your choices are keep all your money or give it to the government and vote Democrat. Have fun. And he just walks off out of the room. Room. The. The. It's a hypothetical that I bring up because I don't believe that. I believe 97 of the population would celebrate that, understanding that it means, like, government programs, funds, things would end in the immediate. The average person would be like, so you mean I keep all of my paycheck Now.
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Phil Labonte
Yay.
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Tim Pool
And then it would only be till later. They're like, wait, where are my programs? You know what I mean?
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Nuance Bro
Well, the average person doesn't even pay federal income tax. Like, it's like, wasn't it like half of them don't.
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Tim Pool
Yeah, 47% or whatever.
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Phil Labonte
Yeah.
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Elad Eliyahu
I want to go back taxes.
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Tim Pool
We're gonna go to super Chat. So smash that like, button. Share the show with everyone you know. And more importantly, head over to timcast.com right now and click join us. We had a really great green room episode tonight. We were all hanging out, talking about the super bowl and Trump and it was like a kind of off the cuff conversation with some adult humor, I'll put it mildly, which I imagine will end up getting clipped because it's hilarious. But that's okay. So you don't want to miss. It is a lot of fun. We were all hanging out on the couch and it was, it was. I was probably one of the better green rooms that we've done because it was a lot of just, I don't know, bro humor. I guess we had fun. But I'll read your super chats now and then we're have that uncensored show coming up in about 20 minutes@timcast.com where you as members get to call in in and talk to us. Here we go. Manifester says any chance you could shout out the Fort Ben County Young Republicans? We're having a meeting for the upcoming State of the Union in Katy, Texas. Is it Katie? Yeah. Very cool. All right. He also says nine months. Let's go. Can't wait to see what Tim does. The future of this business. Congratulations to Mr. And Mrs. Poole. Let's effing go. That is indeed correct. Her name is Allison Poole.
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Ian Crossland
Oh, nice.
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Tim Pool
That's right. So I've been getting the door for her and saying, Mrs. Poole, it is very fun. I recommend getting married. You know, you got to find someone you want to get married to. Tacticality says friend. Shout to Sir Rank Zero Productions. He's on the web, plays video games and cooks. Good guy. To friend. Oh, very fun, very fun. The sleeper has awakened. Says the Gaza Strip, once rebuilt and modernized, would make the perfect place to move the United Nations. Trump says he wants to make like the Riviera.
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Ian Crossland
Yeah, he wanted like a global community there. It's a real vague, like, what the hell is.
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Tim Pool
Even when Ian brought up the US seizing Gaza as the 51st state, we all laughed and said that would instantly start World War iii. And then Trump just went out and Said it.
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Elad Eliyahu
It's been amazing how expansionist the mindset of Trump has been. Once he was. Once he took office, he really started talking about the Panama Canal, Greenland, Gaza. I'm excited every day. The next thing we might add to the list, potential U.S. territories. I forgot Canada was even an afterthought.
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Tim Pool
Jason Nixon says, tim, ever since the FBI got purged, my online girlfriend stopped responding to me. Oh, man. Sorry to hear. I wonder if those things are related. Yeah. All right, what do we got here? Jason Dixon says, got a guest consideration for you. Join the timcast.com discord community network, Roman Nation. Have you ever considered having someone from the community on as a guest? Roma lives close to you. We did. We are. We're working on it. I don't know. I don't know if I should spill the beans just yet, but we're working on. So let me just say this. The Culture War podcast has never been completed. We had plans for what the Culture War show was supposed to be. And the Friday morning live streams are placeholders until we build out the real plan. And so let me just give you a general idea. You know, I'm going to say it and everyone's gonna get mad at me because this is how it works. You know, Trump is much the same way. He's like, oh, my team's gonna get mad at me. I'm gonna say. But I'm gonna tell you guys what we're doing anyway. And then the people behind these things are like, trump, we're not ready. Here's the idea. If you're a member of Timcast.com and you're in the Discord, we are going to be having members only events. And those events are going to be on whatever day we can do them. Probably a weekend, sometimes Friday morning morning, maybe Saturday or Sunday night, in person. Live political debate shows. The Culture War, where our members join the debates. The audience will only be our members if you. So here's the idea. We get a venue. We are set up at a table, doing the show. We have a bit of the debate, and then we're gonna invite people for a few minutes at a time to get in their debate. Debate at the same time for a decent amount of time. And so if you're a member, you can sit in the live audience. And if someone shows up and they're like, I really want to come because we really want liberals to show up, become a member. It's a members only thing. And then those shows will be basically our members debating whoever shows up. So we'd have, like, let's say it's the fours at the table and then some. And then you guys know, like a nuance bro is going to be there. Dude, that guy's so wrong about Israel and Palestine. I want to debate him. You show up, you submit, and then we have members actually join the debates with us for like 10 minutes since. So it's going to be really fun.
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Ian Crossland
Yeah, I love it.
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Tim Pool
That's the plan, man. That's the plan. But we'll see how it works out. We got restrictions and limitations on how it could function and, you know. All right, let's grab some more super chats. What have we here? Mega Glave says, isn't government funding any news organization a violation of the First Amendment? Freedom of the press, Press. No. There's appropriations from Congress for public news. So basically, like NPR and pbs, they don't get money directly from Congress. Congress funds some other organization which then disperses things to local news and radio stations. I'm not a big fan of it. There's also Voice of America, though, and Carrie Lake is there now. So everyone's super excited for that. Right?
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Elad Eliyahu
Did she start there yet?
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Tim Pool
I don't know.
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Elad Eliyahu
Keep up with that. I think she started in a different news organization and almost made her way into office a few times. But hey, all right.
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Tim Pool
Ex folioma says, hey, Tim. One of my best friends was diagnosed with stage four cancer in three organs at age 35. He has two kids and wants to fight. I want to help. I really appreciate a Shout out for GiveSendGo at Cure for Kirk. Sorry to hear it, man. Hope that helps. Hope that works out for you. And I appreciate using GiveSendGo. I think I met one of the executives at GiveSendGo recently and he was like, thank you so much for. For shouting us out and criticizing GoFundMe.
- [108:46]
Ian Crossland
And I'm like, awesome.
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Tim Pool
But it's not. It's not on purpose. It's not because, you know, we're trying to make you better. It's because GoFundMe literally censored and shut down people who had wrong think and give Send Go is the safe place to raise money. That's just that you go and go fund me. Maybe they ban you. Not fun. Cody Johnson says, hey, Phil, the new album is awesome. It's like going back to 14 and discovering women. I'm obsessed with kerosene.
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Phil Labonte
Thank you very much, man. I appreciate that.
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Ian Crossland
Cheers.
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Phil Labonte
Cheers.
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Tim Pool
That's one way to describe it, right? All right, J. Joan Clark says, tim, every time you talk about Israel and Gaza. Nobody ever talks about the 1990s discovery of mass oil deposits off the shore of Gaza. Also the mass deposits of natural gas underneath the Gaza Strip. Thoughts? Is that true?
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Ian Crossland
Very interesting. Yeah.
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Elad Eliyahu
There are gas fields on the coast by the Gaza Strip there.
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Ian Crossland
They also discovered huge oil oil off the coast of Malaysia before the Vietnam War. So I. I think a lot of that.
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Elad Eliyahu
There's a lot of areas in the Mediterranean Sea, as I understand, that have a lot of different oil reserves, too. So I don't know if we're ever running out of that good stuff. So.
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Tim Pool
Oil.
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Elad Eliyahu
Oil. Yeah.
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Tim Pool
Well, to be honest, once we invade Canada, we're going to increase our supply quite substantially.
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Ian Crossland
Lately, I've heard.
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Tim Pool
Oh, go ahead.
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Ian Crossland
That the Earth makes it. That it's just constantly crushing carbon into oil. So it's like replenishing.
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Elad Eliyahu
Well, not at the rate. Not close to the rate that we use it, but there's. I think there's a surplus. And then it's also about how economically viable it is to access that oil.
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Tim Pool
Right. So some of it's really, really, really deep from tectonic shift. I just want to stress, we have never gotten more death threats. In my career. I have never gotten more death threats, and the Tim Cast organization as a company has never gotten more death threats since I posted jokingly that we were going to invade Canada.
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Elad Eliyahu
Wow. It sounds like a precursor to. As to why we need to invade them now.
- [110:43]
Tim Pool
Well, it's. They're engaged in an online harassment campaign and we can't stand for it.
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Elad Eliyahu
Americans will not be intimidated by violent threats from Canadians.
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Tim Pool
Trump does the tariffs right. They never want to affect. And then I tweeted, as soon as their economy is destroyed, their will to resist will erode. And then we'll march in and put them in their rightful places at US Territory with no political representation. And we just got inundated with insane death threats.
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Ian Crossland
They got that American spirit, man. Defend their territory with their life.
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Phil Labonte
You're just a very, very vocal minority. Most of the Canadians will welcome us as liberators.
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Elad Eliyahu
It's funny, because so much of Canadian nationalism is centered around being anti American. And most of the time, US Americans forget Canada is even there. For example, when I was talking about territories we were going to take over, Canada is an afterthought. So they're old news.
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Phil Labonte
There's no reason to take over Canada because Canada exists because of the United States.
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Elad Eliyahu
It would be nice to add a few more states.
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Nuance Bro
And they speak French.
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Elad Eliyahu
Well, not Quebec, or you would take them.
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Phil Labonte
The French would The French, the Quebecers would actually fight back.
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Tim Pool
I know. I think if we, if we were to invade Canada and we went to Quebec and said, here's the plan. Side with us and you will be an independent nation. They'd be like, deal.
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Elad Eliyahu
We could use them as a church and horse.
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Nuance Bro
It'd be like a reverse of the revolution. Revolution will be the Lafayette yet.
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Tim Pool
Yeah.
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Elad Eliyahu
Like encourage Quebec independence. That's how we take over the rest of Canada. Some psyops, CIA. You could take that one.
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Tim Pool
Well, they. What was the last time they actually tried to get independence? I think they never really like 20.
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Elad Eliyahu
Years they have a vote or something.
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Tim Pool
Like, we are French.
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Phil Labonte
Yeah, I thought, I thought the vote was in the past, like 10 years or so. I'm not sure.
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Elad Eliyahu
And it's funny because so many Canadian politicians have to virtue signal to the Quebecers in French French. And that's why all of the bigwig politicians have to learn French. That's why Pierre Poliev, the supposed conservative future leader of Canada, speaks French. And his name's Pierre. Oh, I don't.
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Nuance Bro
It's a super French name.
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Tim Pool
The last time they voted was 95.
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Elad Eliyahu
Not too long.
- [112:46]
Tim Pool
30 years.
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Ian Crossland
Oh, wow. Narrow margin. 50.6% to 49.4% to remain.
- [112:54]
Tim Pool
Wow.
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Elad Eliyahu
And. And because of this, though, Canada heavily subsidizes Quebec. That's what the game is in Canada to keep them happ. They get special benefits in Quebec, as I understand. We might need to bring a Canadian on to break it down further.
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Tim Pool
If we go in through like Saskatchewan and like the more red areas in the center, they'll side with us and then all we have to do is sweep outward towards the coasts and crush the resistance.
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Ian Crossland
I think that'll be interesting. Culture war to have a Quebec national, or whatever you would call them, that wants into.
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Tim Pool
No, I got it.
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Ian Crossland
Regular Canadian. The dark doesn't.
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Tim Pool
It's a good idea, but I made it better. We got to bring on some Canadian political commentators and do a DnD style war game of the US invading Canada and we'll like roll and you know, you'll be Trudeau and you'll be Pierre.
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Ian Crossland
I love Pierre. Polio.
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Tim Pool
And then, you know, Elad will be Bolton.
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Elad Eliyahu
We needed to port all these Canadian American political commentators, creators, Steven Crowder, Orange. Who's the. There's another girl, some white blonde girl.
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Nuance Bro
Lauren, Southern born Southern. She live here?
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Tim Pool
Yeah, she's in Canada.
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Elad Eliyahu
She wasn't Canadian.
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Phil Labonte
She'll be American, all right.
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Elad Eliyahu
It doesn't make her American for living here.
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Tim Pool
You can't Deport someone who's in Canada.
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Elad Eliyahu
She's in Canada. Okay. Deported to Quebec.
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Tim Pool
Well, Viva Fry. Viva. We're coming for you.
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Elad Eliyahu
There's a lot of Americans who pretend. Canadians who pretend they're American, too.
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Ian Crossland
Jordan Peterson, I think he's J.P. another American now.
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Elad Eliyahu
No. They're deeply ingrained in our society, but nobody ever accuses them of dual loyalty. Ted Cruz, I believe, was also a Canadian who was a citizen while Congress renounced.
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Tim Pool
Is there. Is there Canadian blood libel?
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Elad Eliyahu
No. For some reason. Nor is there an Irish one.
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Nuance Bro
Canadian lobbying organization that it's.
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Elad Eliyahu
I feel like there is. I feel like Canada, like, 100 million on, like, three. There is unequal treaties between us and Canada. And Trump is trying to equal the traffic trade relationship. Totally.
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Tim Pool
Is it. What is it? What does APEX stand for?
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Elad Eliyahu
America? Israel? Political Action?
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Nuance Bro
No, it's Public Affairs Committee.
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Tim Pool
Oh, so it's ekpac.
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Phil Labonte
Viva Fry is not a can. Is not an American citizen yet he's.
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Elad Eliyahu
So all these Canadians in American politics, we send them back, and then from the inside, they encourage pro America sentiment.
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Tim Pool
Viva. There's. We have a mission. If you choose to accept it, we're sending you in. Eva N. They'd lock him up right away because they know he's a dissenter.
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Ian Crossland
I think Trudeau's on his way out. What's up with that? That's official. He said he was quitting. And then what? Pierre is going to come in?
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Elad Eliyahu
I haven't been keeping up. And we don't care about Canada.
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Nuance Bro
Well, they're going to have elections. I guess he's just not, like, running again.
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Ian Crossland
Okay.
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Elad Eliyahu
You know, he was awfully quiet during the. The threats from Trump with tariffs and whatnot. You didn't hear a word out of that guy. Funny how that works.
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Ian Crossland
Masterful. Trump. So masterful on Trump's part that he threatened tariffs and then immediately got both countries to establish border patrols.
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Elad Eliyahu
It was masterful. A masterful response from Pierre to stay out of the way.
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Tim Pool
All right, let's grab some of what we got. We got common sense. Fishing says nuance, bro. Say a company like Politico makes 50 million a year. The government pays it 1 million a year. But its profit margins may be slim. Profits may only be a few percent. If they lose that percent, they go in the red. Right.
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Nuance Bro
That's.
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Elad Eliyahu
That.
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Nuance Bro
I would say that's substantial. Like, 2% of your annual revenue is substantial.
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Tim Pool
Yeah. I don't know, because especially if, like, that's a really great point. If, you know, whatever. Whatever the revenue may be, even 200200 million, and it's 1%. So we're looking at, you know, half a percent. That's still a lot of money for a single person. That extra million that comes in might go to a handful of people. I don't want to single out political in this regard, but people might be very unhappy to lose a million dollars. You know, there's a car dealership not too far from here, and I was talking to one of the managers, and they said, they do a million bucks a month. Now you go to the average leftist communist and say, did you know that car dealership is making a million bucks a month? And go, that's wrong, man.
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Phil Labonte
Why are they making so much money?
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Tim Pool
And then if you talk to any conservative or libertarian, they're gonna be like, right. And what's their. What's their. What's their profitability margin? They're probably at like, 5% or some really small number of. In profit. And so the owner has to own, you know, 10 different dealerships to. To. To actually make himself particularly wealthy. And so they don't understand that. So if you go to car dealership and someone's giving a kickback of, you know, the government's buying a $10,000 premium, you know, detailing package for their vehicles when it normally costs 100 bucks, you might say, yeah, but it's only 50 grand a month out of that. Their, you know, million dollars of revenue. That's. That's tiny. And it's like, yes, and that's 500, 600 grand a year into the pocket of the guy who runs it. It's a kickback. All right, let's see what we got. We'll grab a super chat here. Neil Williams says the millennials that were impacted by 911 are finally seeing their first win in this administration. No one is talking about this.
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Ian Crossland
Yeah, that's got to be a big deal. It's a big deal for me.
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Tim Pool
It's. Yeah, it's the. All the Ron Paul people, like, from that era are cheering.
- [118:07]
Ian Crossland
Ron Paul is cheering.
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Tim Pool
Yeah. The gutting of usaid, the FBI, and the CIA, if you like, Everyone I know from that time, all the arguments they were making, Trump is steamrolling this. It's amazing.
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Phil Labonte
It. Like, that's why I said that Trump's the most libertarian president that we've had since Calvin Coolidge, probably possibly the most libertarian since, like, the founding.
- [118:27]
Tim Pool
Like, how do they allow him to continue? That's why I said it was Trump's March to the sea, because I'm looking at it like the Resistance is over. I mean, they, there were people, I don't say they, but there were people who literally tried to kill Trump before he won. They tried to put him in prison. It didn't work. The insurrection stuff, it didn't work. Trump wins and now he's just marching to the sea, scorched earth over the deep state. Is that it?
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Nuance Bro
Well, when you say like, how are they going to allow him to continue? John Wilkes if they is gone? No, because he gets rid of them.
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Tim Pool
John Wilkes Booth, though Lincoln was able to continue, Lincoln still didn't make it in the end. My concern is for Trump's safety because of the actions he's taking are so, are so heavy handed.
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Ian Crossland
Yeah, I think about that a lot. The age of security is upon us. Just be, be cool, do what's right.
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Phil Labonte
I hope that he's got, you know, he's, he has people that are, that are competent in charge of the Secret Service. Now. He, it makes, it would make perfect sense for him to be like, we need to get, you know, all the people that were in the Secret Service and get them out or get a significant portion of them out and make sure that we get the, you know, the, the most competent people that are available or at least on his personal detail, you know, like, maybe, maybe he got people that were, you know, new or had not, you know, been in Secret Service for a long time when, when they were taking care of the, the situation in, in Pennsylvania. But now I, I would imagine that it's something at the top of his mind considering.
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Nuance Bro
Did you see his recent comments about assassination where he said, yeah, you know, he's like, well, if Iran goes for it, I have instructions that I've left. And I'm like, dude, you're sending a message to Mossad to like, I'm serious.
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Tim Pool
Like, I thought that too.
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Nuance Bro
You have to be careful about that. That's, that's, that's scary.
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Tim Pool
Someone that wants the way, the way Netanyahu was grimacing when he said he was going to invade Gaza. Yeah, take it. And he's like, yeah, yeah. All right everybody, if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like, button? Share the show with everyone. You know, become a member by going to timcast.com the Green Room show is back. We are ramping up 2025's documentary productions. I'm hoping to do four pre every three months have a full length documentary produced members only content for you guys. And we got a bunch of plans too. We've got skateboard content with boonies. We've got the vlog is is back. We've already filmed a handful of them. We got a couple guys joining in. You guys have met as members, have made this all possible. I want to say one thing. I, I, I say to you now, if you're not already a member, I'm just gonna tell you right now, I can't say too much, but you want to become a member right now. Now you want to sign up to be a member right now. You will not regret it. But I can't say more. Only that if you wait, you'll regret it. I know. Don't worry. Next week I can give you more definitive reasoning on this. But sign up today. The members only show is coming up right now. Plus we have a green room episode that was really, really fun and funny and you will enjoy it. It's something you want to watch while having a beer and you're going to laugh. You're going to laugh your ass off. It's, it's good time. But we'll go to that members only show where you as members in the Discord community can call in and talk to us. It's going to be a lot of fun. So follow me on X and Instagram at Tim Cast. Nuance, bro. Do you want to shout anything out?
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Nuance Bro
Yeah, just you can follow me on X at Nuance bro. That's primarily where I post, so.
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Elad Eliyahu
Nice Nuance bro. It's been very chill. We usually do. We've done spaces a lot in the past, so it's nice to have another chat with Nuance bro, because we haven't done one of those in a while. My name is Aad Elahu. I'm a field corresponding respondent here at Tim Cast. You can find me on Instagram. Barely informed with a lot Ian.
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Ian Crossland
Yeah, next time you guys do a space, let me know. I'd love to jump in. That'd be pretty fun.
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Elad Eliyahu
Does Elon even still? Are spaces still a thing? Is the functionality still there?
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Nuance Bro
Yeah, people do them all the time.
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Ian Crossland
I just did one actually a couple days ago. A few days ago. So follow me on X. I, I'm become very active on there since the news has been changing and so many things happen. I've been doing a lot of research and keeping up with it on X. So follow me at Ian Cross on X. I'll see you you later.
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Phil Labonte
I am Fill the Remains on Twix. I'm Fill the Remains official on Instagram. The band is all that remains. Our new record just dropped. It's called Antifragile you can check it out on YouTube, Amazon Music, Apple Music, Spotify, Pandora and Deezer. And don't forget, the left lane is for crime.
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Tim Pool
We will see you all over@timcast.com in about a minute. Thanks for hanging out.