US National Mall VANDALIZED With 8647 Just Before America 250 w/ Jeremiah Hicks & Brian Shapiro

Summary

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Timcast IRL – Episode Summary

Title: US National Mall VANDALIZED With 8647 Just Before America 250 w/ Jeremiah Hicks & Brian Shapiro
Date: June 12, 2026
Host: Tim Pool
Guests: Jeremiah Hicks, Brian Shapiro, Phil Labonte, Ian Crossland

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EPISODE OVERVIEW

This jam-packed episode of Timcast IRL centers on two major national controversies:

1. The brazen vandalism of the US National Mall with the numbers "8647" ahead of America’s 250th anniversary.
2. The Trump administration’s reversals on Iran military intervention and the rippling effects on inflation, the economy, and broader US geopolitics.

The discussion is fiery and wide-ranging, featuring pointed debates on free speech as it relates to "8647," the politicization of threats against public figures, border policy, race and political party loyalty, economic pain points, healthcare, and the increasingly bitter polarization of American politics.

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KEY DISCUSSION POINTS & INSIGHTS

1. National Mall Vandalism – What Does ‘8647’ Mean?

[07:47–13:07]

• The group dissects the dramatic vandalism spelling "8647" on the National Mall, right before upcoming America 250 celebrations.
• Tim Pool explains the history and slang behind “86”—to get rid of something or someone—tracing its ambiguous and sometimes menacing connotations.
  • “It was actually an impressive feat…Looks like they didn’t quite get the four in there before it got shut down.” (Tim Pool, 08:12)
• Debate over how threatening “8647” is—death threat, edgy anti-Trump graffiti, or something else?
  • Phil Labonte: "They couldn't even do it right. Typical Democrat stuff." (10:11)
  • Brian Shapiro: “Is it a crime if you say 8647?” (13:07)
  • Jeremiah Hicks: “I mean, it can be considered a crime.” (13:10)
  • Discussion reflects the episode’s recurring theme: how partisan lenses shape perceptions of intent and threat.

2. Threats, Incitement, and High-Profile Figures

[13:07–16:48]

• Nuanced debate about whether 8647/“get rid of Trump” rhetoric or displays (like Comey's seashells) rise to credible threats deserving prosecution.
  • Tim Pool: “When you’re the DOJ right now and Comey...has engaged in surreptitious activities…this statement is a threat.” (14:11–14:31)
  • Brian Shapiro: “That’s absolutely absurd.” (14:06)
• Discussion expands to real assassination attempts and the politicization of violent speech/dog whistles.
• Contrast between left and right’s reactions to violence against public figures like Trump and Charlie Kirk.
  • Tim Pool challenges Shapiro on influential voices “celebrating” such violence through indirect rhetoric.

3. Race, Politics, and Historic Party Allegiances

[30:55–33:12]

• The conversation pivots to accusations of racism, party loyalty among black voters, and the legacy of welfare and government policies.
• Jeremiah Hicks argues that black voters have been manipulated into Democratic support, referencing (and quoting) LBJ’s infamous statement.
  • “Black culture has been manipulated…Whenever you don’t do that thing, you get a whipping.” (Jeremiah Hicks, 31:04)
• Heated exchanges about Trump’s record with the black community, his cabinet diversity, and policies.

4. Inflation, the Economy, and Trump’s Policies

[34:03–37:02]

• Brian Shapiro questions what tangible economic achievements Trump delivered for struggling or minority communities.
• Tim Pool postulates Trump is leveraging, not resolving, inflation—deliberately dragging out the Iran war to set the conditions for a “heroic” economic fix before the midterms.
  • “Trump doesn’t really have an answer, so he’s just putting a positive spin on something that’s objectively bad.” (Tim Pool, 34:03)
• The group grapples with how the war, oil markets, and inflation are being politically weaponized.

5. The Iran War: Motives and Geopolitical Games

[37:13–55:50]

• Tim Pool outlines a theory: The US is keeping the Strait of Hormuz closed to choke off China’s energy and control global oil markets—thus recasting the Iran conflict as about economic supremacy, not regime change.
  • “There is a plan to make the US and the Gulf the principal oil exporter, and the Strait of Hormuz needs to be shut down for that.” (Tim Pool, 44:42)
• Debate over whether Trump was “lying” about being a peace president and his campaign promises about ending wars.
  • Brian Shapiro: “Was he lying?” (45:00)
• The panel covers decades of US foreign policy, with references to Iraq and Afghanistan’s costs, the influence of Israel and Netanyahu, and skepticism about official public war justifications.
  • Phil Labonte: “They are liars. They want to recenter global energy around the United States.” (53:25)

6. Healthcare, Pharma, and Working-Class Pain

[82:56–102:03, esp 96:24–100:13]

• Intense agreement across the board on one enemy: pharmaceutical companies’ profit motives hampering the quest for cures.
  • Brian Shapiro: “The reason why [a diabetes cure] is not out there is because it’s such a huge business.” (97:18)
  • Tim Pool: “Pharmaceutical companies have preferred to treat symptoms instead of diseases because they can make lifelong customers.” (98:05)
• The group mourns the grind of modern American life—working multiple jobs, scraping by for healthcare—citing personal and campaign anecdotes.
• Recognition that populist anger now spans left and right over economic insecurity and corporate-bureaucratic collusion.

7. DEI, Race, and Equal Opportunity

[121:01–123:30]

• Jeremiah asks Brian if he supports DEI (Diversity, Equity, Inclusion) hires—should someone be chosen primarily because they’re black?
  • Brian Shapiro hedges: “If one person is just as qualified as another person and they happen to be black… I don’t have a problem.”
  • Tim Pool: "I think that's evil… the only determining factor is that you chose someone based on race." (122:55)
  • Jeremiah Hicks: “We shouldn’t have to be… judged by the color of our skin.” (123:02)
• The principle of judging individuals by merit not group identity gets reinforcement.
  • Discussion touches on personal experience of discrimination and the complicated legacy of civil rights activism.

8. Political Division, Media, and Single-Issue Voters

[112:08–114:18]

• Tim Pool laments that many liberals misunderstand conservative positions, referencing research showing the right more accurately characterizes the left than vice versa.
  • “The right thinks the left is misguided, the left thinks the right is evil.” (112:51)
• Shapiro and Pool both bemoan extreme polarization, with single-issue voting (especially on immigration) remaining dominant.

9. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Tim Pool:
  • “If you ask Charlie Kirk, should people hate others? He’d say, I hope they don’t, and no, they should not.” (25:38)
  • “Taxing my overtime does not help her in any meaningful way. It hurts her.” (82:56)
• Phil Labonte:
  • “The function of taxes is to manage inflation… Taxes are to manage the amount of money in the system and make sure dollars have a value.” (84:43–85:06)
  • “You need to reform Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. They’re going to run out by 2023, 2033.” (90:26)
• Jeremiah Hicks:
  • “Black people have voted Democrat for the… for at least as long as I can remember. And… whenever you don't do that thing, you get a whipping.” (31:19)
  • “We shouldn’t have to be judged by the color of our skin.” (123:02)
• Brian Shapiro:
  • “If you want to talk about people who say it's good he's dead, we can refer to what Donald Trump said about Robert Mueller just a few months ago.” (20:51)
  • “I never thought they should have been mandatory or mandated. I think it’s a personal decision that you make with your doctor.” (103:13)

10. Show Closing & Promotions

[124:36–end]

• Guests plug their socials.
• Episode closes on a rare note of agreement (even camaraderie) over shared challenges facing Americans, despite deep policy divides.

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IMPORTANT TIMESTAMPS

07:47 – National Mall 8647 vandalism context and meaning
13:07 – Is citing “8647” a crime? Threats, free speech debate
30:55 – Discussion of race, black voters, LBJ quote
34:03 – Trump’s inflation war strategy theory
37:13 – Iran War motives, oil, and global energy politics
45:00 – Was Trump “lying” about war & peace?
82:56 – Personal stories about taxes, working-class struggle
96:24 – Pharma, healthcare, and “cures withheld for profit”
121:01 – DEI hires, race and meritocracy in hiring
112:08 & 114:18 – Media polarization and single-issue voting
124:36 – Plugs/Closing

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FINAL REFLECTION

This episode is a tour-de-force of the current state of American culture war: raw, deeply skeptical of elite institutions, often combative but sometimes converging on shared working-class frustration and mutual disgust with the status quo. While the fights over statues, slogans and scandals rage, the undercurrent is one of ordinary people struggling for dignity, agency, and truth in a turbulent time.

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Transcript

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[Phil Labonte]

Oh.

[Tim Pool]

He actually said we're going to take car guy and seize the oil infrastructure. And then like a couple hours later he's like, no, I'm canceling it. We're not going to strike Iran because now they're talking to us. And I'm like, here we go guys. It's a yo, yo. It's a back and forth like every week the deal's on and then the deal's off. And my only assumption is that somebody in the circle, in the Trump admin circle is just, they're buying, they're buying low and they're selling high and they're shorting all the way down because the oil prices are bouncing up and down. To be fair, they've gone down a little bit. But I don't think there's any real intention to end this war. And I should have seen it coming when you know, Trump says we're going to invade, that he was going to come out a couple hours later like, oh no, actually we have a deal. And I'm going to say it now. I hope it's true, but I really feel like he's going to come out tomorrow and be like, actually no, it's not considering Iran already said, nah, we're not playing. There was some earlier news earlier today that the Pentagon was evacuated. It was a false alarm. So we're just going to talk about what we got going on in the politics. Graham Platner is getting a lot more heat now and want to talk a bit about the, the latest updates on the California election. And we've got the, we got, we got a little bit of debate in us tonight. A little bit of debate. I know everyone is going to, is going to really enjoy this. Before we get started, we got a great sponsor for you guys. It is american financing.net Tim my friends, in today's uncertain economy, American Financing is helping families find a way out of the high interest trap. We're heading into summer, but the economic clouds aren't clearing for most middle class families. Between persistent inflation and the cost of daily life, you're likely feeling the pressure. You've worked hard for your home and probably have more equity than you realized yet. The summer surge is forcing many to rely on credit cards. It's an exhausting cycle. But American financing understands that 2026 requires a real strategy. That's why they have salary based mortgage consultants with mortgage rates in the fives. Their customers are saving an average of 800 bucks a month by wiping out high interest debt. That's money that stays in your pocket to fight back against rising costs. No upfront fees, no pressure. And if you start today, you delay, you could delay two mortgage payments. Call American Financing today at 866-890-7811. That's 866-890-7819 or visit american financing.net Tim and don't forget to pick up your bag of Ian's graphene dream@cast brew.com ground coffee, low acidity. For those of you that you get upset stomach if you're drinking coffee, Ian said to us, guys, I get a tummy ache. I got to get a coffee that's right for me. And we said, ian, you need a low acidity coffee. And he says, that's what I want. We made it. It tastes great. Sounds like hotcakes. But you can check out the rest of what we [e-mail]. we got Josie 1776. 1776 Signature Brew. We got bottled water brand pool water if you ever want to drink pool water. And we even got cold brew concentrate. So check that out. Don't forget to also smash that like button. Share the show with everyone you know right now. Post it everywhere you can. Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more. We got a couple people, but we got this, this gentleman here, Jeremiah Hicks.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Pleasure. Pleasure to be here, man.

[Tim Pool]

Who are you? What do you do?

[Jeremiah Hicks]

My name is Jeremiah. I'm from Kansas City. I'm a content creator and a pastor. I love, love telling people the truth. Honestly. That's what the Bible is all about. And that's what I'm about, is the truth. And it expands way beyond just a church on Sunday mornings.

[Tim Pool]

That's right. I'm excited to have you here because you are about to be tested because of our next guest, Brian Shapiro.

[Brian Shapiro]

Good to see you guys, man. I know your listeners are very happy to see me as well, and I share that love with them as well.

[Tim Pool]

You go by, I think you call yourself Lion Crying Brian on, on social

[Brian Shapiro]

media, I think that's what the haters call me. They call me a lot of other things too. Which, which is, which is totally fine.

[Tim Pool]

Well, so who are you? What do you do?

[Brian Shapiro]

My name is Brian Shapiro. I do a show called Pushing the Limits. I am a political commentator and I appreciate you guys inviting me back. And I have some bad news for everybody. I'm going to be back here tomorrow as well.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Brian Shapiro]

So you guys have a double dosage of Brian Shapiro.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know how you Guys, can I see. I see the people that your detractors are just like, oh, I can't listen to this.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And it's like, well, that may be. But I'll tell you this. Like, we're gonna. We're gonna have a bit of debate tonight, and the debate clips are gonna get a lot more attention than, you know. Yeah.

[Brian Shapiro]

I mean, last time you called me a retard. Yeah, that was funny, actually.

[Tim Pool]

Well, you were like, you don't really think I'm a retire. I was like, nah, I'm just insulting you.

[Brian Shapiro]

That's.

[Tim Pool]

It'll be fun, but fine, that's fair.

[Brian Shapiro]

What are the chances that we can do a show both bald? Like, is there any chance that that happens? Like. Like, seriously, wouldn't that be. That would go viral. I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

It's too gay.

[Brian Shapiro]

If you put both of our heads together, we look like an ass. So. You're probably right.

[Tim Pool]

That's very gay. Stop asking.

[Brian Shapiro]

You just.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah, that's right.

[Ian Crossland]

And getting his muscles out.

[Brian Shapiro]

Then we do have some breaking.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, now Ian's just cranked the volume.

[Brian Shapiro]

Oh, hey, Ian. You're, like, at a level 10 now. Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

How come? It was like, okay, I'm already seething in the comments. I'm like, what is going on?

[Tim Pool]

I saw that, too. Anyway, the boys are hanging out too, everybody.

[Brian Shapiro]

Pleasure.

[Ian Crossland]

Pleasure of mine. We also got this Labonte man over this creepy.

[Phil Labonte]

Hello. Hello, everybody. My name is Phil Labonte. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band all that Remains. Carter.

[Ian Crossland]

What's up, Brian? Glad you're here. Jeremiah, you get such a bad rap. I've never met you before, but it's earned it.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

What do you mean, follow you on an.

[Brian Shapiro]

You know Phil already. You know, Phil already insulted me. Before the show started. He just tweeted out, I've learned Brian doesn't know how to use his phone. I responded by saying, yeah, it's a Trump phone.

[Phil Labonte]

I also, I also sent him a direct message on Twitter that just said gay.

[Tim Pool]

Well, let's get into it. All right, here we go. Here's a story from the BBC Police investigate 8647 written in grass on US National Mall. It's actually pretty interesting how they did this. It appears that somebody. I gotta be honest, it's actually an impressive feat because you can see what they did with the 86. It seems like they lined up in. They lined these things up and then sprayed some kind of pest herbicide. I called it a pesticide earlier. That was stupid. Herbicide or desiccant to kill the plants. To spell out 8647. Looks like they didn't quite get the four in there before it got shut down. They say the police are investigating a large imprint of 8647. 86 is slang term for get rid of us. Park Police responded to a report of vandalism. Now, keep in mind, it's. It's pretty crazy. Look, look at the size of the people in the image. I mean, these are big, big circles. That's pretty crazy how they pulled this off. And this is just before this weekend is the UFC game. It's America 250 celebrations are kicking off. And this is just outside the. The reflecting pool, which just recently got renovated. So clearly this is intended to kind of be poking at all of that as well as making a big statement just before the America 250. Now, for those that don't know what 8647 means, rest assured no one else does either. The history of it is apocryphal. There's a few different theories. One is that there was a soda pop shop that had a menu item number 86 that one time got removed. Customers would then come in and say if something else got removed, they'd be like, hey, what happened to the chocolate cake you had? The server would go, it got 86. Referencing the 86 foot of that had been removed in the past. However, others believe it comes from Vegas, the Mafia. They'd say, deal. They'd say, 86 them means eight miles out and six feet under. It was a slang term used so that if they were speaking in code, the feds wouldn't know exactly what they're saying or couldn't use it against them. And they would then go, no, no, we were just saying not to kill the guy, but like a restaurant, you know, get them off the menu. You know what I'm saying? So some people very much view this as a death threat, depending on the context, whereas I would say conservatives view it on the border of it's an indirect threat to a threat, and liberals view it as just a general anti Trump statement. But I'll throw it to you guys. Are we facing the most terrifying death threat in the Trump administration history? And should we be, should we be worried?

[Phil Labonte]

The whole point of this is just to try throw egg on Trump's face for the, you know, the UFC fight this weekend and stuff. Look, this is typical Democrat stuff. They couldn't even do it. Right, right. Like, can't finish it. You couldn't even get the other ballroom

[Brian Shapiro]

working out really well.

[Phil Labonte]

It takes a little time. It takes a little time.

[Brian Shapiro]

It takes a little time to do

[Phil Labonte]

it takes a little time to build a building.

[Tim Pool]

So let me, let me, let me just. That they're not building a ballroom. Well, from what I do, you know, the ballroom's fake.

[Brian Shapiro]

What do you mean? It's fake.

[Tim Pool]

They're building a deep underground military base, and the ballroom just covers it. So. But this is, this is it. I mean, it was actually. It was, it was, it was Democrats that called this out initially. Trump's like, we want to build a big, beautiful ballroom. And all these conservatives are like, we need the ballroom. And then Newsweek put out a report. I think it was Newsweek saying, hey, actually, they've got a massive budget for a deep underground base.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, first he was asking for $200 million from his donors. It wouldn't be from tax, from people who are paying taxes. Then it went up to 400 million. We're going to.

[Phil Labonte]

Now they're asking about Trump all night long.

[Brian Shapiro]

Now they're asking all.

[Phil Labonte]

Brian's got one message. What does he complain about Trump? How come, like, earlier tonight, you were like, I'm not a Democrat, I'm an independent, and I say Democrats this, and you jump to defending Democrats and change the topic straight to. Oh, I hate one trick pony.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, I got to go. I actually interrupted him to jump in on the ballroom point.

[Phil Labonte]

He's the one that brought the ballroom up, though.

[Brian Shapiro]

No, no, no. But let's talk about 8647. Do you think Comey, by the way, if you want to keep this alive.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't care about.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, Donald Trump does because they pressed. They pressed right there.

[Phil Labonte]

Straight to Donald Trump. You are one trick pony.

[Brian Shapiro]

That's what 8647 is.

[Tim Pool]

It says 8647.

[Brian Shapiro]

What do you mean I' One trick pony. We're talking about 87.

[Phil Labonte]

I'm talking about. You constantly direct your argument straight at Donald Trump. That's the only.

[Brian Shapiro]

You think that's. What's the story we're talking about.

[Phil Labonte]

It doesn't matter, though.

[Brian Shapiro]

You don't want me bringing up Donald Trump. No, I don't care if you bring up what's your argument.

[Phil Labonte]

I know that you're definitely going to bring it up Donald Trump. I'm talking about the fact that even when we were in Vegas, everything was straight to Donald Trump. No matter what the topic was.

[Brian Shapiro]

You.

[Phil Labonte]

All you do is pivot to Donald Trump.

[Brian Shapiro]

What do you mean?

[Tim Pool]

Let's let's, let's, let's, let's, let's catch

[Ian Crossland]

him when he did IRL when Tim wasn't there.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

There's three.

[Brian Shapiro]

Oh, you're talking about that show when

[Phil Labonte]

we were in Vegas.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, last I checked, Fox News, OAN and Newsmax also always talk about Donald Trump. Your best buddy, Benny Johnson. Michael. My best buddy.

[Phil Labonte]

I've never met Benny Johnson.

[Brian Shapiro]

Facetious. Everybody on the right also talks about Donald Trump. 24 7. But you know what the difference is, Phil, between me and you? I don't wear Donald trump knee pads. 24.

[Phil Labonte]

Do I have anything on, I mean, do I have anything on that says Donald Trump? Have you ever seen anything on me?

[Brian Shapiro]

Absolutely.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't care what you believe.

[Tim Pool]

I don't, I don'. To have a long winded conversation about who's criticizing Trump too much or too little.

[Brian Shapiro]

What does 8647 mean, Tim? Because I talk all the time in Vegas.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

We are, we all obviously know what 8647 means. I mean, they've been trying to do it for every season. I mean, every, every year it's like a new season of let's try to get rid of Donald Trump.

[Brian Shapiro]

Is it a crime if you say 8647?

[Jeremiah Hicks]

I mean, it can be considered a crime.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, it can be.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Yeah.

[Brian Shapiro]

So all the people on social media that say 8647 should all be prosecuted.

[Tim Pool]

It can be. He said it could be. I said it can be.

[Brian Shapiro]

Does not mean all you think, Comey, is credibly that you think that's a threat to Donald Trump. James Comey, you think that was a credible threat, or do you think that's just political prosecution?

[Tim Pool]

I got my hand up.

[Brian Shapiro]

I was asking him.

[Tim Pool]

I know, I know what you're at. That's why I put my hand up.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

The thing about it is, is we understand the nature and the temperature and climate of this country.

[Brian Shapiro]

Comes to this president, ask you about the climate, is it a crime?

[Jeremiah Hicks]

He's, Is it a crime? I said it could be.

[Brian Shapiro]

So I'm asking you specifically, Comey, do you think in seashells on the beach, a man who has never been convicted of a crime before, when he puts in seashells 8647, you think that is credible, that that could be an assassination attempt or a threat to the President of the United States?

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Yes.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, well, I think that's absolutely absurd.

[Tim Pool]

We know you think that, but let me, let me give you my train of thought on the Comey thing.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Absurd.

[Tim Pool]

Comey was.

[Brian Shapiro]

Disagree.

[Tim Pool]

Let me, Let me. Let me give you my thought process on it. I don't think Comey was threatening to murder Trump. I think it was a threat. Comey was in a meeting with Yates, Biden, and Obama where they had a discussion about accusing Trump of being a Russian. And this campaign that had come up with the Steele dossier that indicates that there is something malicious that is not

[Brian Shapiro]

being malicious is not necessarily a crime.

[Tim Pool]

Agreed. But somebody gets my point. So when you're the DOJ right now and Comey, who is connected to powerful forces that have engaged in what I would describe as illicit activities, like illegitimate, saying 8647, the question is, is there a preponderance of evidence that this could be a legitimate threat? If you are the. If you are Donald Trump and you are the DOJ and you say Comey has engaged in surreptitious activities with powerful political forces to lie, smear, defame, and maliciously target the president, this statement is a threat, then I think that's a fair assessment. That doesn't mean he's been convicted. I'd like to see the evidence, because specifically what Blanche said was not all instances of 8647 are crimes. This one we believe is. Which means what they presented the grand jury, the grand jury did agree with. I think there may be something underlying. I would reserve it to. I await a criminal conviction, should that be the case. If that's gonna happen.

[Brian Shapiro]

Tim, do you.

[Tim Pool]

I. 20%. Right. Like.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

I think that's, like, low.

[Brian Shapiro]

Very low chance that he will be prosecuted. I think this is.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, he's being prosecuted.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, I shouldn't say. Found guilty. Convicted. Yes. That's what I meant to say here. No, I, I don't think it's. It's credible. I don't think that that was an actual threat. I think it's pretty clear what Comey was doing. And I think when I see people on social media saying 8647, I don't think those are credible threats either. I think we know what an actual credible threat is.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Yeah. The ones where they were actually trying to take them out. Yes, they have been doing.

[Brian Shapiro]

That's not Comey. Exactly. I agree with you.

[Phil Labonte]

Like I said before, this is just to put egg on Donald Trump's face.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Sure.

[Brian Shapiro]

Of course it's knocking on him. I don't disagree with you there.

[Phil Labonte]

Finish question.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

You don't think it's inciting anybody to do that?

[Phil Labonte]

I think that I. Honest, genuinely, I think that, that there Is there? If you're talking about incitement, there's far more stuff that you find on social media that's far more egregious than this. This is just on the lawn. I forget. I think it's, it's on the, the National Mall. National Mall.

[Tim Pool]

Right, right, right in front of the pool, which they just renovated.

[Phil Labonte]

So it's, it's just to put egg on Donald Trump's face because of the 250, which it's worth noting, like the 250th anniversary of the, the creation of the United States and people are doing stuff like this. It's very bad taste, it's very low brow. But you know, it's, I don't think that it's a threat.

[Tim Pool]

It's very American.

[Brian Shapiro]

Not with the patriots, the empire, bad taste, low brow. I mean, we can give examples of that.

[Phil Labonte]

Yes. You'll talk about how bad Donald Trump.

[Brian Shapiro]

I think higher positions.

[Phil Labonte]

That doesn't change, change the fact that

[Brian Shapiro]

that's is, it's not breaking.

[Phil Labonte]

I think.

[Tim Pool]

Wait, wait, guys. That, that is illegal.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, that's vandal.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Yeah, yeah, that's illegal. The issue is, is like people.

[Brian Shapiro]

So it's breaking down, breaking the law then that's wrong.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

People keep trying to downplay the fact that the President of the United States has been consistent, has been consistently in places where he's been almost lost his life. I don't know if we can see.

[Brian Shapiro]

Tried to do that.

[Tim Pool]

Assassinated or shot at.

[Brian Shapiro]

Tried to do that.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Yeah. And so I mean maybe the same people that are, that are putting things like 86.7 on the, on the.

[Brian Shapiro]

Who's tried to kill Donald Trump?

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Do I know.

[Brian Shapiro]

You know the history of it. People who have tried to do this,

[Phil Labonte]

one of them's in jail.

[Brian Shapiro]

First person who tried to kill Donald Trump was a registered Republican, came from a MAGA family.

[Phil Labonte]

Second person, you don't know anything about the actual person though you are wrong.

[Tim Pool]

Was he a registered Republican?

[Brian Shapiro]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Tim Pool]

and ways to save. You're talking about. Who are you talking about?

[Brian Shapiro]

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[Tim Pool]

Yeah. That's not the first time someone tried to kill Trump. First time.

[Brian Shapiro]

I'm saying that. I'm just going through them.

[Tim Pool]

No, you said the first person who tried to kill Trump. Well, the first time someone tried to kill Trump was in 2015 when they. During. During the campaign, they tried grabbing a gun from a cop's belt to shoot and kill Trump.

[Brian Shapiro]

Correct. The second attempt, correct me if I'm wrong, was the golf course situation where there was a guy. Right.

[Tim Pool]

Third.

[Brian Shapiro]

I'm sorry. Third.

[Tim Pool]

Third. Right. So it's a little pathetic. I understand. You're saying in this term.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

In the Trump era of the past 10 years, I think there's been more than three. There's been maybe like six or seven.

[Brian Shapiro]

There were the third attempt, the golf course. A guy who once voted for Donald Trump back in 2016, obviously he turned anti Donald Trump. Listen, this is all horrible, immaterial. This is. Well, I'm just giving you a little bit of background here. When people, they did the same thing with Charlie Kirk. The left tried to kill Charlie Kirk. No. 1 deranged individual killed Charlie Kirk, who

[Jeremiah Hicks]

was motivated by the same way as people on the left, then celebrated it and said, can you name me horrible things?

[Brian Shapiro]

Name me one elected official that celebrated the death of Charlie.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

I didn't say elected officials. I just said a whole bunch of idiots.

[Tim Pool]

Ocasio, Cortez.

[Brian Shapiro]

What did she say?

[Tim Pool]

She went on the House floor and condemned Charlie Kirk right after he was murdered, saying he was hateful and should not be celebrated. Yeah, but let me clarify, because I know we'll have a semantic argument over the word celebrate. My argument is that it's political suicide for a politician to say it's good they're dead. The best thing a politician could do to disparage an individual who was just murdered is to go right after the man died and say as many awful things about him as you can, which espouses the ideology cited by Tyler Robbins and the alleged assassin as to why he did it. So let me, let me just stress this. When the, when the evidence of the assassination is of Tyler Robinson saying he spreads hate and then after he dies, AOC goes up on stage and says, yup, he did. I understand we can go with the definition of celebrating as in jumping up and cheering. I would argue that standing on Capitol Hill and espousing the message of the assassin is how I would view them to celebrate.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah, I don't see it that way. But if you want to talk about people who say it's good he's dead, we can refer to what Donald Trump said about Robert Mueller just a few months ago.

[Ian Crossland]

That was horrible.

[Brian Shapiro]

So listen, what happened, I've been consistent on this. You know this, Tim. What happened to Charlie Kirk was, was awful. I wouldn't wish that upon anybody. And I, and it's just horrible. He didn't deserve that. I did not like Charlie Kirk. I've given you plenty of reasons why we cannot celebrate. And by the way to your statement, I said on the air the next day, anybody I know, people that lost their jobs because they were making inappropriate comments about what happened to Charlie Kirk. They deserved it. Stupid. It's wrong. But there is a but there is a difference between somebody on social media that has 20 followers that says some horrible things and the President of the United States or people in a higher power. Do you remember what happened to Paul Pelosi? Do you remember what Dunn did? Do you remember what Matt Gates did?

[Tim Pool]

And as soon as he said, as soon as Trump tweeted out I'm glad he's dead, I criticized him on.

[Brian Shapiro]

I know you did, Tim.

[Tim Pool]

And I even John McCain, like if there's one politician I really didn't like. But let me, let me just say this about aoc. The worrying thing to me is when someone. So you've got a bunch of trans identified individuals on social media posting something bad's gonna happen to Charlie Kirk tomorrow. There was like six or so accounts. This is like just general mainstream reporting. Tyler Robinson is the accused alleged assassin. Some people don't believe he is. According to the evidence. The reason he did it, he wrote a message. Cuz he's spreading hate. AOC espoused that message in Capitol Hill. It's one thing for Trump to do something bad like I'm glad he's dead because I'm like, bro, I didn't like Mueller, but I just don't want to live in a world where we're all jumping into Clapping for death.

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't think AOC was doing that. This is where we disagree.

[Tim Pool]

But she did say Charlie Kirk should not be celebrated. He was spreading hate.

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't think he should be celebrated.

[Tim Pool]

And. But he was spreading hate. Is that he was not. And the SPLC did the same thing. Charlie Kirk was not spreading hate.

[Brian Shapiro]

I disagree.

[Tim Pool]

Well, you would be wrong. Because if you ever met the guy, like what they say about you to the people in the comments saying you're hateful and you're bad. And I respond to all of them that if they met you and asked you to sit down for dinner, you would be nice to them.

[Brian Shapiro]

I would. But I would ask people, what have I said that has been racist or misogynist? What have I said that takes an entire group of people?

[Tim Pool]

Which Charlie said.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, I could go through. I could go through a few things here. But I would say when it comes to Charlie, let's just start with the talk about the Civil Rights movement and Martin Luther King Jr. He thought the Civil Rights movement was terrible for America.

[Tim Pool]

Was that racist?

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, first of all, if you look at what Martin Luther King accomplished and what he did for the African American community, I think most people would agree.

[Tim Pool]

I understand that point.

[Brian Shapiro]

Sure.

[Tim Pool]

But Charlie Kirk disagreeing with a law is different from Charlie Kirk not liking a group of people.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, okay, so if that's where it ended, I would probably agree with you. But if we're going to talk about. Okay, so when he said, when he get. When I get on a plane, if the. If the pilot is black, should I be worried? Let's be very clear here. I know he was talking about dei, but let's be very clear here. There is no evidence to suggest that if you're a black pilot, you have any less hours than somebody who's white.

[Tim Pool]

And that was his point. His point was, then why would you make that statement? If you listen to the phone, I would make that.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

I would make that statement to make that.

[Brian Shapiro]

So when you get on a plane, you're worried if the.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Because of dei. Because of dei. You realize he was saying because of dei. We are putting unqualified people in positions where they need to be qualified. And he's not. Okay.

[Brian Shapiro]

And here's my point.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

I'd be okay.

[Brian Shapiro]

And here's my retort to that. Here's my evidence. There is not a sliver of evidence that any black pilot. Hold on. That any black pilots have less hours of training than a white pilot.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, come on.

[Brian Shapiro]

It's not true.

[Tim Pool]

But hold on, hold on.

[Brian Shapiro]

It's just that's.

[Tim Pool]

But again, again, specifically about a pilot. Okay, okay. But that's a fine fact statement you'd like to make.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yes. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

As it pertains to Charlie Kirk, he was not disparaging black people. His point was Democrats have instituted a policy that creates a perception among people that the black pilots are less qualified. He doesn't want to think that way.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Well, for you to. And I don't. I'm going to be honest. I don't want people to treat me a certain way because of the color of my skin. I don't want you to feel sorry for me or give me better, more opportunity because I'm black. I would rather. I would rather have the opportunities I have because I've. I've made the decision to be there.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, great.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

And sacrifice for it. Great. You don't care. You care so much about what. What. What Charlie Kirk had to say. I mean, I think.

[Brian Shapiro]

I think if you work hard in the United States of America. I agree with you. You should be able to agree.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

So you agree with what. What Charlie Kirk said?

[Brian Shapiro]

No, I don't. I probably disagree with. With almost everything that Charlie Kirk said. Oh, you think transgender sur. Illegal?

[Phil Labonte]

Yes.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, well, I think that's insane.

[Tim Pool]

That's not hateful for little kids.

[Brian Shapiro]

He attacked transgenders 24 7.

[Phil Labonte]

That's different than saying that should transgender surgery be.

[Brian Shapiro]

He thinks it's a mental illness. He thinks everybody that's transgender is in the DSM 5.

[Tim Pool]

It's in the DSM 5. It needs to be. Otherwise, I can't get prescription medication.

[Brian Shapiro]

I think. I think there's all sorts of reasons why people could be considered mentally ill. Charlie Kirk.

[Tim Pool]

The point ultimately, is this. If you sit down with Charlie Kirk and ask him, do you hate anybody?

[Jeremiah Hicks]

No.

[Tim Pool]

If you ask him, should people hate others? He said, I hope they don't, and no, they should not. If you asked him, why do you want transgender surgery banned? He would say, because I love these people, and I want them to get the help that benefits them. I disagree that this is the path towards helping them. If you ask him about the pilot situation, he'd say, I don't hate black people. I hate that they're creating a situation that creates that perception of black people. Charlie Kirk famously kicked out white identitarians and white nationalists from the events that he would hold. He would open public events. People could come up and there's videos where a white nationalist would come up and say something, and he'd stand up and say, get out. And he Got criticized for being, like, liberal for doing so. By all means, you can disagree with his fact positions, but the dude did not spread hate. He would sit down with anybody and have dinner with you and shake hand with a smile and ask you, how can I help you?

[Ian Crossland]

There's like.

[Phil Labonte]

And to characterize, and to characterize disagreements as hate is a, it's a dishonest framing.

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't think it's dishonest at all.

[Phil Labonte]

It's absolutely dishonest because you're, you're, you're asserting that you know his internal thoughts. You're asserting that you can read his mind.

[Brian Shapiro]

You're saying, I don't think you have to read somebody's mind. For example, when somebody takes out a statue of Martin Luther King Jr. In the Oval Office, I don't think you have to.

[Phil Labonte]

Charlie Kirk didn't do that.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, I wasn't talking about Charlie Kirk. No, you're talking about Donald Trump. Right? People's mind.

[Tim Pool]

That did not happen.

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't think you have to read somebody's mind.

[Tim Pool]

It did not happen.

[Brian Shapiro]

He didn't take that out of the Oval Office.

[Tim Pool]

This was a fake story that was published. I'll pull it up for you. Keep talking, but I'll pull it up.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay. I mean, you know, look it up. But listen, when you take an entire group of people and you generalize, which is what Charlie Kirk, you go, brother genders. For example.

[Tim Pool]

Did Trump remove an MLK bust? False.

[Brian Shapiro]

That was a complete lie.

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, then I'm wrong. Then I'm wrong.

[Tim Pool]

But isn't it like. I know it's kind of derailing, but. But it is, it's mind blowing to me. The media tried pulling this stuff on people. Trump did not do that. It's crazy. They just ran a face.

[Brian Shapiro]

It's still in the Oval. Is it still in the Oval Office?

[Tim Pool]

Yes. And this is from 2017. Well, right now, I don't want to assert what he's done since then.

[Brian Shapiro]

My understanding is he took it out, so. Well, maybe we can double check. Well, that's 2007.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Do you have Martin Luther King picture in your house?

[Brian Shapiro]

Are you comparing my house with a Martin Luther King statue to the Oval Office?

[Tim Pool]

Really? Respect your house.

[Phil Labonte]

Listen, taking Martin Luther King junior's bust out is not inherently racist.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay?

[Phil Labonte]

And I don't care, I don't care how you're asserting that it's inherently racist.

[Tim Pool]

But hold on. Like, it never even happened. It's like.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, I, I would agree. I would want to figure out.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Well, you realize what Was. That was a ploy to.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, but wait, wait, wait. Hold on, hold on.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

That was black people frustrated. It was black people, obviously. Value double fact checking, junior.

[Brian Shapiro]

Go ahead.

[Tim Pool]

It was removed in 2025 as part of renovations and remodeling.

[Brian Shapiro]

There you go. So that. That's the point that I was trying to make. I don't think that was unintentional. Okay. And that's the story that I was referring to. The story that you put up is back in 2017, in 2025, he did take it out of the Oval Office. And I find that a little bit problematic now. It's not just one thing, Phil, Why?

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Well, to you, why is it problematic?

[Brian Shapiro]

Because I will give you a history of Donald Trump.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

I'm asking why. Just why is it problematic for the bus to not.

[Brian Shapiro]

History of making statements that are.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Don't talk about Donald Trump. Tell me why the bust not being in the Oval Office is problematic because

[Brian Shapiro]

of who did it and their history.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

So if I did it, it wouldn't be problematic then if you had one

[Brian Shapiro]

example where you talk about his work

[Phil Labonte]

with his history, like his work with the Rainbow coalition in the 90s, really,

[Brian Shapiro]

you want to talk about all the great things that Donald Trump has done for black people? Because I'm happy to go through that list with.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean. Well, you're the one that's asserting that he's a racist.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah, I do believe he is.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Donald Trump is a racist.

[Tim Pool]

I want to pause real quick and just make something clear. I don't know which story you were referring to about the bust being removed because it was a big story back in the start of Trump.

[Brian Shapiro]

I was referring to recent. More recently.

[Tim Pool]

Right. There was a recent story. This story is that MLK got swapped for Churchill. And then I was rebutting because they lied in the first term about the removal. And it was a big deal. They lied and then clarified. I don't actually know what they've done since then. So then it turns out whichever one you were referring to was true. Trump did remove it. But I want to just make this clear. We. You were talking about something before I interrupted you on the bust, and now we've shifted onto a different thing.

[Phil Labonte]

Donald Trump bad.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, again, he's the President of the United States. We're talking about the news of the day and the news of the week, Phil. So I don't know why that would bother you. By the way, how about the thousands of discrimination lawsuits where Donald Trump didn't want black people living in his housing.

[Tim Pool]

And evidence.

[Brian Shapiro]

Evidence yeah, he actually paid them off. Look it up.

[Phil Labonte]

Evidence. Google it.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

I mean, I was in the White House last week, and I felt pretty. Well, it's not like I didn't. If Donald Trump is such a racist, he wouldn't have black people in the White House.

[Tim Pool]

Trump walks up, that's one of the

[Brian Shapiro]

whitest administrations he's ever had. Ever had. Ever had. He's never had ever in the history

[Tim Pool]

of this country what you said he's ever had. But you mean.

[Brian Shapiro]

What I meant was in the history of the country, bro.

[Tim Pool]

I got to be honest.

[Brian Shapiro]

Whatever happened to Tim Scott? He didn't hire Tim Scott.

[Tim Pool]

I'm pretty sure, like, the first hundred years of this country had substantially less. Black people are Jewish people.

[Brian Shapiro]

White.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, boy, is art.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't know if that's. I mean, apparently Slavic people are people.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

I mean, I really don't care. I don't. I don't really don't care what the color of the people in the administration are, as long as they do their job right.

[Brian Shapiro]

Why do you think that 93% of black women didn't vote for Trump and 80% of black men didn't vote for Trump? Are they just misinformed for the same

[Tim Pool]

reason that they vote for Judge W. Bush?

[Jeremiah Hicks]

The black culture has been manipulated.

[Brian Shapiro]

What does Donald Trump done?

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Johnson said, I'll have these. I don't know if I can say. Can I say nigga?

[Tim Pool]

I think you're allowed to say whatever you want.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Lyndon B. Johnson said, I'll have these niggas voting Democrat for the next 200 years. And he accomplished that.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, let's talk about.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Yeah, let's talk about it. Black people have voted Democrat for the. For at least as long as I can remember. And so now we. We're just manipulated into doing this thing. And whenever you don't do that thing, you get a whipping.

[Brian Shapiro]

Let's talk about accomplishments. In the first year and a half of this administration Donald Trump has given. Which is the most recent administration, 1% have received $100 billion in tax cuts. Not enough. It's not helping the black community. What is.

[Tim Pool]

What is.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Wait, wait.

[Phil Labonte]

What is the job of the executive? Is the job of the executive to provide benefits to black people?

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Different handout groups? Handout.

[Phil Labonte]

The job of the executive is to laws passed by Congress. Congress.

[Brian Shapiro]

I understand that, but Donald Trump.

[Phil Labonte]

So then what is it that you think Donald Trump should be doing for the black community?

[Brian Shapiro]

I'll tell you the first thing he shouldn't be doing. Giving the biggest tax breaks in the history of this country to the top 1%, way larger.

[Tim Pool]

This is a really simple response that has nothing to do with the black community, if you want to make the point later on. But you guys are talking about the black community. Throwing in the tax thing is just a non sequitur.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah, well, listen, what has he accomplished in the last year and a half that helped middle class America and people in this country that are struggling living paycheck to paycheck check.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

What is he, what does he accomplish?

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah. What policies? Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

So how's that, what legislation?

[Brian Shapiro]

How's that helped?

[Jeremiah Hicks]

So I, I truly believe that the black community, because I know you're, you're saying that he's made the black community like suffer through, like welfare and all these things.

[Brian Shapiro]

I think he's made America suffer, particularly people that are struggling living paycheck to paycheck while helping the biggest, I mean,

[Jeremiah Hicks]

that's a large majority of America though, that lives.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, I certainly agree with that. That also includes black people. And I would say that the people that have benefited the most from Donald Trump's economy are the richest people.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

So would you not say that people weren't living.

[Tim Pool]

Would you not say I'm kidding?

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Listen, I know you're painting this narrative, but would you not. Majority of America has lived paycheck to paycheck way before. Well, before this president. I'm a black man in America, grew up in Kansas City in a lower income part of the country. Not, I don't come from wealth, I'm not wealthy. I'm 30 years old. I've bought a house, I own, I own a car, I own property. I've done things, I've done good for myself. And so I don't think that Donald Trump had anything to do with any of those things. Nor did he make, nor did he make me worse. Nor are the people that are poor right now are poor because of Donald Trump.

[Brian Shapiro]

I didn't say they're all poor because of Donald Trump. I'm giving you stats. Where's inflation at right now? Where was it?

[Tim Pool]

No, no, I love inflation.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I love inflation.

[Brian Shapiro]

That's what Donald Trump said. So let me just give you an update on inflation. Maybe it doesn't aff you, but it affects you.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

I mean, I know how much gas cost.

[Brian Shapiro]

Over 4%. Yeah, well, we could talk about gas as well.

[Tim Pool]

Actually. Let me, let me, let me, let me, let me preface this. We got the story from NBC News.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Trump says, I love the inflation. As annual rate jumps to a three year high. The President suggested The recent numbers mean there will be a bigger decline in inflation once the war in Iran is over, which is his quote. The numbers were great. You know what I really love? I love the inflation. You know why? Because as soon as this war is over, when the war is over, it's coming down. It's coming down like a rock, he said. Let me just give a quick comment on this as to my thoughts, and then we'll jump back into the debate. The first thing I think is that Trump doesn't really have an answer to it at all. So he's just putting a positive spin on something that's objectively bad. However, I think the Republican Party is actually betting on a manipulation for the midterms where they drag this war out, whether intentionally or because it's happening. Gas prices go up, inflation goes up. People have a hard go at things right before the midterms war stops, inflation comes down. And your feelings on. On the economy are relative? I. I believe there is a potential. The GOP is banking on. Turn the heat all the way up so people are burning. Then when you turn the heat down, they feel like you've cooled them off. You know what I'm saying? Like. Like, it's. Like it's really hot out. You go to the covers, then take it off, you feel cold.

[Brian Shapiro]

I understand what you're saying, Tim, but I don't think this war was very thought out. I don't think Donald Trump and Pete Hegseth thought that it'd be this difficult. And because of that, as we were just talking about inflation, which I think was up 0.6% last month, which affects everybody, including black people. The same thing with the gas prices right now, which are almost double what they were when Donald Trump first took office. If you look at pretty much every metric when it comes to the economy right now, things are worse off now than they were. And here's the difference between Joe Biden and Donald Trump. Trump, when Joe Biden took office, there's a lot of papers, but since Joe Biden took office, we were in the middle of a global pandemic.

[Tim Pool]

Okay.

[Brian Shapiro]

That wasn't Joe Biden's decision. Well, yes, to take over during a global pandemic. Also, we remember when Vladimir Putin invaded Ukraine. Okay. That was not Joe Biden's decision. Donald Trump made the decision to go to war in Iran ten months ago. Gabbard.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Because they were persecuting the Iranians.

[Brian Shapiro]

I thought we obliterated them eight months ago. What happened? Didn't Tulsi Gabbard under Oath say that. Didn't.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

No, didn't guess. I guess the terrible people are good at hiding themselves and, oh, that must be. That's what's been happening.

[Brian Shapiro]

So answer this for me. Was Tulsi Gabbard lying when she was under oath and she said that she had no reason to believe, based on her own intelligence, that they were trying to further their nuclear capabilities? Was Tulsi Gabbard lying? And then a month later, we bombed them, and then the Trump administration says we obliterated them. And then all of a sudden, eight months later, all of a sudden we need to obliterate them again. They don't know what the hell they're doing in Iran.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

It happens all of a sudden. Sudden when people that are bad people hide themselves and hide their plans from people that are not doing anything wrong and then go and then attack them. That's what happens.

[Brian Shapiro]

Or they hide.

[Tim Pool]

Isn't it just, just a. Your point. We said they don't know. I actually think what you described shows they actually do know what they're doing is an intended condition.

[Brian Shapiro]

So can you name me one sanction that Iran has given up?

[Tim Pool]

What does that have to do with what I said?

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, we're talking about the war in Iran. You're making the case, which I tend to disagree with you on, because we've heard for 30 or 40 years about the threat that Iran is to the United States. Here's what I think happened.

[Tim Pool]

I have a, that what we're seeing. The first thing I'll say is that in any chess game or, and you know this in poker, the poker, what's that? The moves you're going to make, it's not singular. So if you're looking at the chessboard and you're thinking, if I move my pawn, you're not thinking, if my, I move my pawn, then I will move my knight. You're thinking, if I move my pawn and he moves his bishop, I move my knight. If I move his pawn and he moves his queen, I move my, my pawn. So when I look at, so I think it's important thing to understand that we're looking at contingencies upon a plan. Plan based on the fact that there have been multiple moves against Iran and the broader position I can get into the whole thing. I pulled up the earth on this one. I have a very strong position on the plans that Hegseth, Trump and the administration have been doing. I think it extends beyond the Trump administration, includes other elements of US Intelligence. I, I, I firmly believe Trump is intentionally prolonging this war for a variety of reasons. And I actually think if you have a political argument against Trump, you can absolutely jump on board with this one. Because, yes, I believe Trump's intentionally inflaming this war, which is driving up gas prices, making things worse for the American people. I believe there is a plan as to why they're doing it. The principle and very simple issue we can get a larger discussion is China gets about 40 to 50% of its oil from the Strait of Hormuz. I believe one factor of this is Trump saying, we're going to, we're going to start a fever. China is going to hurt more than we hurt. Everybody hurts, but we hurt less. I think that's, that's why Trump keeps yo yoing this. We got a peace deal. No, we don't. We got a peace deal. No, we don't. Because he doesn't want the strait open, but he can't tell the American people, I'm intentionally screwing you on gas prices.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, Tim, I understand what you're saying. Here's what I think, and I disagree. I think that Benjamin Netanyahu, we know this for sure, pressured Barack Obama to do this a long time ago. I think Benjamin Netanyahu pressured Joe Biden. They didn't budge. Donald Trump budged. He is a pawn and a puppet to Israel and the Israeli government. That is my personal opinion.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Every time somebody goes on and says Israel is controlling everything, because that's the

[Brian Shapiro]

narrative, say they're controlling everything.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

You're saying that the President of the United States is a pawn to Israel.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah. How much money have we given Israel?

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Did you see what happened on October 7th?

[Brian Shapiro]

So let me.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Oh, no, no, no. Answer my question.

[Brian Shapiro]

Of course I asked me.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Okay. Do you think that that would happen in America right now?

[Brian Shapiro]

It has nothing to do with it.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

It does. It has lot to do with this. Because radical, radical Islam, Hamas. Radical Islam exists in Iran, which is the reason why. Which is the reason why America is present there now. Because these people are, are being decimated not by people that are sane, but by radical Islam.

[Brian Shapiro]

We went to war in Iran because of what happened with Hamas in October. Is that what you're saying?

[Jeremiah Hicks]

They all have the same ideology, is what I'm saying.

[Brian Shapiro]

So if they have the same ideology, we should go to war?

[Jeremiah Hicks]

No, I'm not saying that, but I'm saying their actions behind their ideology of

[Brian Shapiro]

Vladimir Putin and, and Kim Jong Un. Should we go to war with them?

[Jeremiah Hicks]

I haven't seen the video. October 7th. I was just. I was just in the embassy.

[Brian Shapiro]

I was just talking about radical ideology. If your assumption is radical. Okay, so let's talk about radical ideology.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Well, the issue is, is you're.

[Brian Shapiro]

We got rid of the ayatollah, right? We got rid of the ayatollah, which is a good thing. I think we both could agree on that.

[Ian Crossland]

Right?

[Brian Shapiro]

The ayatollah is dead, but now we have another regime, and Donald Trump has said they're less radical and smarter. At least he said that a month ago. Can you please explain to me me how this new regime is less radical

[Jeremiah Hicks]

and they all still will chant, death to America.

[Brian Shapiro]

Thank you. We need to talk. Maybe we need to talk about that.

[Tim Pool]

So there's a through line. And I had this debate with Myron Gaines, and I felt like she's my buddy. Well, he agrees with you. That's why I bring him up. I, you know, when it comes to debating, I had this. There's a buddy of mine at the poker tables, and he came up to me abruptly and he said, tim, Tim, did you know that 38 million people died due to American sanctions abroad in the past 100 years? I believe that statement should define America as an evil empire. And my response is, if that's how you feel, my only counter is I believe that when you look at the Soviet Union, the Chinese Communist Party, and the people they killed, we could conclude based on your feeling, all empires are evil because they all do it. And he said, okay, my point here is if you, like Myron says, I think Israel made us do this war. It's for Netanyahu. I'm not gonna change his personal assessment on this. However, I do think that I can provide a through line which provides greater evidence as to the contrary that I feel Myron did not assess, just ignored. And I'll give it to you real quick right now. Donald Trump. One of the first things, and I hate saying Trump, because this is the US Administration, which probably has overlapping app from through intelligence agencies, even going back to Biden, Trump's first term. And even Obama, one of the first things he did was they started blowing up drug boats in. In the. In the Caribbean. And the question is why? They said, oh, they're narco terrorists. It's not really a good reason. Well, after this, we get a few other actions. We get the. The. Let's just say the. The re seizing of Panama. We get the attempts at taking attempts at Greenland for the Northwest Passage, and we get Houthi issues in the Red Sea, global trade protections, the bombing of the narco traffickers in the Caribbean leads into the capture of Maduro and the seizure of U.S. and Venezuelan oil assets. What the, what the bombing of the, the drug boats does is open up traffic lanes from the Gulf, where we've begun exporting oil more than the United States has ever done since World War II. And we've become the dominant oil exporter now that OPEC has been smashed with the closure of the Strait of Foreign. So Trump secures the trade routes. He secures the largest oil producer in the world, eliminates the criminal threats to the Gulf for US Oil exporting, then sends an armada to the Strait of Hormuz, which while there, Israel, I agree, does announce to the US we're going to engage in attack in Iran. And the US Joins in. However, the armada was already there. Now we're dealing with Trump's yo yoing, where he keeps saying there's a deal psych. There's a deal psych like. And the Strait of Hormuz remains closed, which inadvertently has knocked, I think, was it. The Emirates have dropped out of OPEC, 20% of trade from our principal competitors cut off from the world. And China, who was supposed to overtake the US in 2027, 10 years ago, being pushed back 10 years, just got half of their energy imports cut off as the Strait of Hormuz has remained, has remained closed. I do not believe that after Trump wiped out the top 50 leadership in Iran, they are, they're actually worried at all. I think Trump intentionally wants a straight closed. I think he doesn't want to tell the American people we're choking you on gas prices to make the US the dominant oil exporter and reframe global energy. I think there's a reason people like Candace Owens are going and cutting deals or whatever it is she's doing. Like cutting is on her visa. So that, you know, I shouldn't say like that. I want to be biased, but she's going and what's wrong?

[Brian Shapiro]

You don't like Candace Owens?

[Tim Pool]

Well, I don't, but she's going to Russia. Me, I believe that Trump is reframing global energy around the West. And I believe that the state of Hormuz is intentionally closed by the Trump administration. But they don't want to admit it. And I would add, when Trump bombed the water reservoirs, he shows one, he always had the willingness and capability to take out civilian infrastructure, which would end the war overnight if he wanted to. He's not. He keeps yo yoing. If the US Wanted to, they could do one of two things. They could eliminate civilian Infrastructure, ending the war overnight. Or they could leave, and they have not. My only conclusion is then based off everything we've seen from the start of Trump's administration, there is a plan to make the west, to make the United States and the Gulf, particularly the principal oil exporter, and the Strait of Hormuz needs to be shut down for that.

[Brian Shapiro]

I guess we will see. But going back to the start of this war, last I checked, when Donald Trump ran for office, he said that he would be a peace president. He wouldn't be starting any new wars, there'd be no new regime change. So I guess my question to you is, was he lying?

[Jeremiah Hicks]

A lot of politicians say a lot of things.

[Brian Shapiro]

Was he lying?

[Jeremiah Hicks]

There were two.

[Brian Shapiro]

Was he lying?

[Jeremiah Hicks]

I'm not going to say he was lying.

[Brian Shapiro]

Did he end the war in 24 hours in Ukraine? Did he do that? Didn't he say.

[Tim Pool]

I would say, obviously it's going to fall to. Republicans say Trump wasn't lying, but circumstances changed. Liberals will just say he was lying.

[Brian Shapiro]

He said he was going to lower prices on day one. Right. In the supermarket.

[Tim Pool]

But so, so the important thing to understand is it's a question of, do you hate Donald Trump?

[Brian Shapiro]

I think. Are you, are you, are you doing what you said you were going to do? And I'm not saying every.

[Tim Pool]

My point is on the, on the accusation of a lie, and I'm telling you, Trump did say that, though, right?

[Brian Shapiro]

I'm not making that up.

[Tim Pool]

You're correct. Yeah. Trump said he would end the war in 24 hours. Right. He said no new wars.

[Brian Shapiro]

He said he war prices on day one.

[Tim Pool]

He said he wasn't going to bomb Yemen.

[Brian Shapiro]

Correct.

[Tim Pool]

So Trump supporters will say circumstances changed. He was.

[Ian Crossland]

Right.

[Brian Shapiro]

Wrong.

[Tim Pool]

Liberals will say he was lying the whole time. Then when he says trying to under. To read Trump's mind to figure out which it might be, it's going to be up to you.

[Ian Crossland]

So when he says the war is over, and then the next day is like, sorry, the war is back on, the war's over. And then Israel attacks Lebanon, and he's

[Tim Pool]

like, I think he's lying.

[Ian Crossland]

Is he lying? You think he's just. And I'm okay with people lying, especially your deceiver in chief. You need that guy to be subterfugal to betray the world so that we don't lose the right. It's sad when he lies to the populace, but it's part of the job.

[Tim Pool]

Let me say this. I think Trump is lying about the war for, for the stated reasons he wants the strait closed to choke out China.

[Brian Shapiro]

And what if you're wrong that.

[Tim Pool]

That Trump is lying?

[Brian Shapiro]

No, what if you're wrong about. Because you. There's a chance you might, you might be right, but you also might be wrong. And you might be giving a little bit too much credit. And maybe.

[Tim Pool]

But again, it's not Trump. And this is the important thing I.

[Brian Shapiro]

Administration, Pete Hex.

[Tim Pool]

But I actually think it extends beyond this administration because a lot of, A lot of the infrastructure for this is during Biden as well. I believe there's elements of, of the US Intelligence agencies as well as the military that have contingencies for these. One of which was, I think it was Biden's first year, we started moving weapon production for desert theater to Pacific to. To ocean theater to Pacific, and which now we're seeing naval combat. I would not be surprised if this. Cross administrations there were plans for this. What I will say is my, my analysis of what happened leading to this point is not wrong. Let me clarify. If the news we get in aggregate is correct, that's the positions that I've laid out. Taking out the criminal boats, clearing the path for exporting the Gulf, exporting oil to the Gulf real quick, securing the trade routes and then shutting the Strait of Hormuz, all of those things did happen. China being cut off from half their energy imports did happen. Emirates dropping from OPEC did happen. Now, now, from that I extrapolate. I believe this is the intended condition, which may not be the case, in which case I would argue Trump slipped on a banana peel and pulled off a perfect backflip.

[Brian Shapiro]

Let's just say you're right for a moment, for argument's sake. Okay. I do find it interesting when all the DOE stuff came up and I don't know if you guys received your $5,000 dose checks. I never received mine. That hurts everyone. No, I didn't. Isn't that crazy? I'd use that in the World Series of Poker if I had it, Tim. But, but it is interesting. When we start a new war, we can just print money. Republicans can just print money. This war is costing us close to $2 billion a day. But yet, you know, we're cutting Medicare, you know, Medicaid coverage. And, you know, listen, all these government programs, we gotta cut, cut wasteful spending. Cut, cut, cut.

[Tim Pool]

This is, this is, this is not a room that's gonna get. Gonna get mad about those statements, right? Nobody here wants the war, you know what I mean?

[Brian Shapiro]

But $2 billion a day, Tim, think about what do you do with this money to help people every.

[Tim Pool]

We could fix the reflecting pool 100 times.

[Ian Crossland]

You know, they spent, I think, 7 trillion in Iraq and Afghanistan over a decade or 15 years, 7 to 10 trillion. And you got to ask, you got to think opportunity cost, because, yeah, we could have put that 10 trillion domestically. But if we don't control the Suez Canal and we lose access to global oil, shipping and protection and control, that might cost us more than 10 trillion.

[Tim Pool]

And what about all the heroin that we were losing when the Taliban stopped the poppy?

[Ian Crossland]

Massive amounts of opiates came out of Afghanistan after we conquered and occupied the place. So that's what they're doing is. Is like opportunity cost calculations. It is 2 billion a day.

[Brian Shapiro]

But what if we secure global trade. Listen, I.

[Tim Pool]

An investment. We kill a couple million people over here.

[Brian Shapiro]

Guys, you're younger. I'm an old. I'm an old guy. You're younger than me. But, you know, going back to the war in Iraq, at least the one with George W. Bush, when we were all lied to and we were told weapons of mass destruction, we're still paying off that war. The thousands of innocent American soldiers that we lost, the tens of thousands of innocent people that died, and we were all lied to. But at least George W. Bush got a vote. Okay? At least he went to Congress. Donald Trump didn't even do that. I. Tim, you could be right. I respectfully disagree with you. I think we're giving the administration a little bit too much.

[Tim Pool]

Tell me why you don't think. Why you think I'm wrong.

[Brian Shapiro]

Here's what I think. I told you I believe that Benjamin Netanyahu has played Donald Trump like a puppet. You know why? Hold on. Let me just. Let me just quickly just finish here. The two people that have benefited the most from this war right now, and you guys could tell me if you disagree. Benjamin Netanyahu and Vladimir Putin. Look at all the money that Russia, huh?

[Tim Pool]

I would actually argue the United States, Netanyahu as well as Putin. I would also argue that Saudi Arabia, a lot of these.

[Brian Shapiro]

I think you can make that argument, too. But look at the people that have benefited. Benjamin Netanyahu is not a dumb guy.

[Tim Pool]

Guy.

[Brian Shapiro]

He knows that. He wants this war to be as long as possible. It benefits him. Now, if somebody could show me actual, real evidence that Iran was an imminent threat, which is what Pete Hegseth language used. The United States of America.

[Tim Pool]

I'm all over now. Let me address that. I never said that. I don't.

[Brian Shapiro]

But Pete Hegset did.

[Tim Pool]

Agreed. I think this War is about shutting down. It's reframing global energy. And what I would. What I would add when you say said Benjamin. Now, you pressured Netanyahu, pressured the United States. The armada was already there before those strikes. So why did the US Send an armada to the Strait of Hormuz before Israel decided to strike it?

[Ian Crossland]

Gunboat diplomacy.

[Tim Pool]

It's a. Well, I'm curious.

[Brian Shapiro]

So I don't know the answer to that, but here's what I will say. Pete Hegseth, a few weeks ago, held a press conference about the Strait of Hormuz, and he made the statement and celebrated it. Really? We blockaded the blockade. The Strait of Hormuz was open three months ago.

[Tim Pool]

They want it closed.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay. Perhaps time will tell, Tim, Perhaps you could be right. I'm not saying you're wrong. I just think maybe. And this is maybe where we disagree. I think you're giving this administration a little bit too much credit. I think this has been a disaster. I think it continues to be a disaster.

[Tim Pool]

That's a different question.

[Phil Labonte]

Anything that's sure about Donald Trump in prison, you would say, come on, come on, Phil, Phil.

[Tim Pool]

But that's immaterial to the conversation about straight or four moves in Iran. Whether or not this is a disaster does not change what I've said, nor does it counter any argument I've made. I got a point.

[Brian Shapiro]

I will tell. And what if you're wrong?

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, no, no. Hold on. We did get rid of the criminals in the Gulf, opening up trade lines. We did secure Panama. We are working on securing Greenland. We are exporting more oil from the Gulf. We did take Venezuela or the reason

[Brian Shapiro]

why he said we went to war first.

[Tim Pool]

We were. Hold on, let me finish. I'm telling you about things that we did are done. Not a question of my opinion. We sent an armada to Iran. We shut down the Strait of Hormuz. Through our actions, China is cut off from their energy. We've recentered oil production. Those things happened. Now Hegseth celebrated the blockade of the blockade. The only. The only logical conclusion one could come to is they intentionally want this closed. And they are liars.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, perhaps I can only go by what they've told us. First we were told civilians need to rise up. Then we were told regime change in order to really get.

[Tim Pool]

You believe them.

[Brian Shapiro]

Hold on. In order to get the regime change that you need, you have to put. Put boots on the ground. Let's be honest there. You know, I thought the whole catastrophe, and this is sort of a separate subject in regards to the war. But the 175 school children that were killed, as you know, Iran does not have Tomahawk missiles. They lied. Donald Trump lied once again. There's only a few countries in the world that have Tomahawk missiles. We happen to be one of them. They still have not.

[Tim Pool]

What's the source on that?

[Brian Shapiro]

They still look it up. They still have not taken responsibility for 175 plus school children that were killed. I find that to be extremely problematic.

[Tim Pool]

But again, but again, that doesn't. That's not arguing.

[Brian Shapiro]

We were told civilians rise up. We were told news.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, yes. And I. My argument is they are liars the whole time.

[Brian Shapiro]

That doesn't bother you?

[Tim Pool]

Of course it does. My administration.

[Brian Shapiro]

You voted for, you voted for Trump.

[Tim Pool]

Agreed. But this is again, listen, moral arguments, success arguments are not the point I am making. Lying about war is that they going to war. Agreed. They are lying about this. They want to recenter global energy around the United States.

[Ian Crossland]

I think what they want.

[Tim Pool]

That's why I said there's no reason why you couldn't agree with me on this.

[Brian Shapiro]

They don't accomplish that. They're liars. If they don't accomplish that, then what do you say, Tim? What do you say on the show if they don't accomplish that?

[Tim Pool]

They started a war, they failed. That's what I say on this show.

[Brian Shapiro]

And how long do you want this war to take before we can make.

[Tim Pool]

War should never have begun in the first place.

[Brian Shapiro]

I understand, but how now we're in it so it's too late over yesterday. How long do you think this war needs to take now in order for you to say they failed? Did they already fail?

[Tim Pool]

That's an impossible question.

[Brian Shapiro]

I want to get your thoughts on that. How long?

[Tim Pool]

No, no, but that's an impossible. The criteria for failure will be assessed. Well, like if right now Trump says so. So I'll put it this way. Based on what we have seen, they've, they've, they've got granular success. China again has for months been cut off from 40 to 50% of their imports and are straining reserves. Granted, Russia has benefited because Russia's been able to increase output. However, at the same time, Russia's recentered their economy around the war industrializing for that war. So they can't maximize this position. If Trump said we are removing the armada, we are disengaging 100% he has already gained like we have already become one of the largest oil exporters in the world, if not the largest, largest. And we've already Been, I think, with. We are now exporting more oil than we ever have since World War II. That, I believe, is a stated condition.

[Brian Shapiro]

Apparently. He just bragged that we're stealing oil from Iran. He just said that.

[Tim Pool]

And then he said we're going to. And then he. And then he posted.

[Brian Shapiro]

He loved it.

[Tim Pool]

We're going to invade and steal their oil assets.

[Brian Shapiro]

But going in a circular motion here quickly to what we were talking about earlier, Iran does. Regardless of whether Tim is right or wrong here. He might be right. Right. But everybody in this country, for the most part, no matter what the color of your skin is or whether you're Republican or Democrat, are hurting because of this war. For the most part, we're talking about gas prices. 120 bucks it cost me to fill my gas tank in Las Vegas. You go to the supermarket. The problem is, I don't care what the color of your skin is. I don't care whether you're a Republican or a Democrat. There are people in this country that are having to make a decision, do I fill up my gas tank today, or am I able to put food on the table for my family? Family. That's bad for America. No matter what the color of your skin is, who you are.

[Tim Pool]

Iran. Iran has. Real quick, just a fact check. Yeah, of course Iran doesn't have Tomahawks because Tomahawks are US Missiles, but they do have comparable missiles called Somars.

[Brian Shapiro]

I understand, but it was a Tomahawk missile. And even Pete Hegseth admitted that was a strike there. He admitted that. He didn't say it was US but he admitted it. You can look that up. So if it's a Tomahawk missile, Donald Trump's first reaction was blaming Iran. No, they did it. Okay. Okay. They still haven't taken responsibility.

[Tim Pool]

Iran has never used Tomahawk missiles.

[Brian Shapiro]

Correct. That's. That was my point. That's what I said.

[Tim Pool]

When. When did. But when.

[Brian Shapiro]

Look up, look up. When Donald Trump claimed that and blamed Iran. This was days after the strike.

[Tim Pool]

You're talking about the school.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yes. Correct.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah, that was my. I'm sorry, I thought. You're talking about the. The base that.

[Brian Shapiro]

So obviously that's a horrible mistake. We all could agree on that. I don't think America did that intentionally. However. However, don't blame Iran when you know it was us that did it intentionally.

[Tim Pool]

My view on a lot of these things is, you know, from 60,000ft. I don't, I don't look at. You know, I was watching this debate with Dean Parker. And then two conservatives.

[Brian Shapiro]

I did know you watched Dean and Parker. They'll be happy to hear.

[Tim Pool]

Well, it was Jubilee. It was Jubilee.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

And the question was that Donald Trump falling asleep raises serious questions about his health. Yeah.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

And everybody, three of them agreed. One conservative agreed. And one conservative guy said to Dean, when it. When it came to Joe Biden. What? What? You know, you said this. And Dean starts laughing and says the prompt is literally about Trump. Why would you bring up Joe Biden? Can we agree we're not talking about Joe Biden? And the conservative said, okay, because conservatives are really bad at framing. My response is, Dean, because you had a principled position on the health of a president. President. And you have now changed it. And I'm asking you what changed? My point is you bring up a lot of points about collateral damage problems, war in Iran. I view this holistically from all the presidential administrations I've seen weighed against each other. There's a through line through all of them that is very, very bad, which is why I have generally opposed of all of them. The points that I'm bringing up are not questions of morality or end results. It's a question of what we have seen thus far. Far. And what appears to be the most probabilistic. And that. Pete, hacks in the Trump administration have been lying to us the whole time. As every administration has lied during war. They seem to have clear goals based on what they're doing. Some people might support those goals, some people might not. That it is what I think that

[Brian Shapiro]

is what's important to be consistent. And I know we're not really talking about Donald Trump's health, but I do want to bring that up. Listen, there's no question Joe Biden's health deteriorated. That debate was an absolute disgrace. Get a stroke and then Jill Biden speaking about. I thought my husband had a stroke. Listen, I'll always be upset at Joe Biden and his legacy. I don't think he's a bad man. I thought he was a decent president, but he should have stepped down much sooner. And it was. It was bad for the country. Now, going back to Donald Trump, because you had just really kind of chuckled a little bit. So Donald Trump has rashes on his neck. His tips of his fingers are black. His skin looks like it's escaping from his body. And the excuse from the Trump administration was he's shaking too many hands. He had an MRI six months ago. Any physician will tell you you don't just get an MRI as just a normal physical check. Okay, so if we want to talk about his cankles, it looks like he's wearing like 10 layers of socks. So, yes, I think most reasonable people would say his health isn't looking too good these days. And by the way, this is the same guy two years ago who said, you need ID to buy bread.

[Phil Labonte]

He's actually dead.

[Brian Shapiro]

He said Jeb Bush got us into the war in Iraq. He said he defeated Barack Obama. So, yes, I don't think Donald Trump. Trump's health is in great state.

[Tim Pool]

Real quick.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

His 80 years old.

[Tim Pool]

There's, I can't find anything on his fingers being black. There's a, there's a, there's a rash on his neck. There's a growing discoloration.

[Brian Shapiro]

He had herpes on his neck.

[Tim Pool]

I'll pull that one up.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

80 years old. So he's, he's supposed to have the body of a.

[Brian Shapiro]

Didn't say that.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Five year old.

[Brian Shapiro]

Never said that. Never said that. But it is a responsibility. I will apply the same to Joe Biden.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

I think he's moving around and talking way better than Joe Biden. And I've never seen the brother fall up the stairs to get in a plane either. He actually walks down the stairs.

[Tim Pool]

What do you mean?

[Brian Shapiro]

Have you seen Donald Trump walk lately? Yeah, I've seen him drag his legs.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Leg.

[Brian Shapiro]

What are you talking about?

[Jeremiah Hicks]

I'm talking about the same president that you're talking about. I can show you plenty of videos where Joe Biden used the short stairs to get off.

[Brian Shapiro]

You ever seen Donald Trump on a bike?

[Tim Pool]

Let's, let's, let's concede this.

[Brian Shapiro]

Oh, wow.

[Tim Pool]

That takes a lot of physical guys. Like, I think it's silly. We here both old, called out Joe Biden endlessly over his ailing health. Yes, Trump clearly has ailing health.

[Brian Shapiro]

Thank you. That's my only point.

[Tim Pool]

I only listen.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

But he's not, he's not ending. He's not going downhill like Joe Biden.

[Brian Shapiro]

Why did he go to Walter Reed? Why did he have an mri?

[Phil Labonte]

You don't know that. You don't know that ailing health is, is, is affecting his cognitive ability.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So, so I would put it like,

[Brian Shapiro]

you think Donald Trump what I. Is pretty good right now.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Yes. I think cognitive adequate ability is. It's perfect.

[Brian Shapiro]

You think it's, you think it's really good. It's better than when he's falling asleep in meetings.

[Tim Pool]

You think 30 year old man, I have no problem.

[Brian Shapiro]

You're okay with the president falling asleep.

[Phil Labonte]

How many times do I have to Say that I think his cognitive ability is okay before you stop repeatedly asking silly questions. Yes, I think his cognitive ability is okay.

[Brian Shapiro]

Can we get. Can we get a physician in here to check Phil's cognitive ability, please?

[Phil Labonte]

Maybe check my blood pressure.

[Tim Pool]

I don't care if Trump falls asleep.

[Brian Shapiro]

Phil's turning in a tomato.

[Tim Pool]

All right, listen.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

All right.

[Tim Pool]

I don't care that Trump falls asleep. You want to talk about care? No, I don't. Not at all.

[Brian Shapiro]

At a meeting, when they're talking literally.

[Tim Pool]

No.

[Brian Shapiro]

Wow. Okay.

[Tim Pool]

I need to be. I need to be explained an argument as to why falling asleep is such a big deal.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

He's the President of the United States.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah, exactly.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

That's my busy man. He probably stays up later than all of us.

[Tim Pool]

He does.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

And he's 80 years old.

[Ian Crossland]

What do you fall asleep at? What means meeting.

[Brian Shapiro]

You can look it up. He's been falling asleep.

[Tim Pool]

So here's what happened.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

I've seen him shut his eyes for a long time. What's up?

[Brian Shapiro]

I haven't seen any of the videos.

[Phil Labonte]

Provide the evidence. You're the one.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Does it matter, though?

[Brian Shapiro]

You haven't.

[Phil Labonte]

You're the one making the assertion.

[Brian Shapiro]

I'll look it up. I'll make it.

[Tim Pool]

I'm going to break it down for you, Phil. Brian, let me explain it to the audience. There is a particular video that's gone viral with Rubio because he's being questioned over whether he ever experienced Trump falling asleep.

[Brian Shapiro]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

Trump is sitting at the table and he goes like this.

[Brian Shapiro]

Puts his head down, closes his head's

[Tim Pool]

down, and he's closing his eyes. And he.

[Brian Shapiro]

He.

[Tim Pool]

And. And he appears out, and he's done that multiple times. That being said, the counter from Rubio and Trump is he's not sleeping. He's just closing his eyes and thinking. However, one of the funniest things I've ever seen is when, in my opinion, Trump fell asleep. Because I was praying. You fell asleep.

[Brian Shapiro]

Ted Lou questioned him on that. Is that what you're talking about? When Ted Lou questioning Marco Rubio and they showed the evidence, not just making it up. Listen, they're both old. The point I'm trying to make here is Joe Biden old, Donald Trump old. These are old men. I prefer Republican or Democrat. I think we. Hopefully we all can agree. I would rather have younger people that are not falling asleep or mumbling and bumbling. I would like.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

I really don't care the age. I don't care the age. I just care that they can do their job and do it well.

[Tim Pool]

And Donald Trump, I'm 60% with you.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

So honestly, he's not for me as a 30 year old man in this country. He, he's the better president.

[Brian Shapiro]

What policies? Give me a policy that you really like. Donald Trump.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

I would say that Donald Trump's policy when it comes to abortion has been less, less tainting for the, the people that want to kill or, I'm sorry, that want to kill.

[Brian Shapiro]

So you're, you're pro life. I understand that. Yeah. Give me. Okay, so you're pro life. I disagree with you. That's just a policy disagreement we have. Give me like another policy that you think is helpful.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Policies. So he has policies that, that he's trying to put in place that his faith officer.

[Brian Shapiro]

He hasn't put any policies in place in a year and a half. Half.

[Phil Labonte]

He's the president, he's the executive.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah. Give me a policy that you think

[Jeremiah Hicks]

implemented that helps put policies in place.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah. So give me something that you.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Wait, the president, his initiatives for this country.

[Brian Shapiro]

Laws.

[Tim Pool]

I think he's referring to legal, legislative.

[Brian Shapiro]

Give me some policies under Donald Trump.

[Tim Pool]

But what, like, what do you mean by policy? Because if any. I'm sorry, real quick, he's, he's, because there's a little, hold on, hold on. I'll give you a little bit of semantics. Like they'll interpret it as legislative and I think you did too. So, so in terms of policy, do you mean like executive orders?

[Brian Shapiro]

Exactly.

[Phil Labonte]

All of his border security stuff.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, everything.

[Phil Labonte]

I like the deportations, I like closing the border. Okay, but.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, you like closing the border. I'm happy to talk.

[Tim Pool]

He did give you abortion. And that is a strong, that's a policy.

[Brian Shapiro]

Disagree. Obviously we had a conversation a little bit earlier about that.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

So when it comes to policies that, that this president has put in place versus the last one, our borders were completely open.

[Brian Shapiro]

They were not completely open.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Okay, so where were they?

[Brian Shapiro]

I think they failed.

[Tim Pool]

Let's not get semantics, you know what I mean?

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah, but I, I, I think the Biden administration certainly did not do a good job with the border. But I would also, my retort to Phil and anyone that, that's really happy with, with Donald Trump's immigration policy, sure, a lot of people have been deported, but last I checked, in our Constitution, it says any person has the right to due process. Not any.

[Phil Labonte]

We're going to get into a semantic argument what due process means.

[Brian Shapiro]

It's, it's, it's, it's in the Constitution.

[Phil Labonte]

What is due processing?

[Tim Pool]

Brian, again, we've had this like, here's the thing, Brian. We've, we've. We've had the debate on the due process thing 16 times.

[Brian Shapiro]

You're not happy with what happened in Minneapolis with lawyers can't be happy.

[Tim Pool]

In what capacity?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, they didn't get rid of enough people.

[Tim Pool]

In what capacity?

[Brian Shapiro]

What happened to Alex Preddy and Renee Good.

[Tim Pool]

Well, no one's happy. Well, like, again, that's hyperbole. Obviously, there's some people that are happy, but general, rational people.

[Brian Shapiro]

I wasn't there a full investigation into what happened to Renee Good. And why is Jonathan Ross back out on the streets? And he's made millions of dollars in donations.

[Tim Pool]

Do you want the formal reason or. I don't. Well, I wanna get to the point I was making before because Phil brought due process and you mentioned people. Due process is not a proper noun. It is a generic definitional phrase. The process you are due. The process you are due under the. What is it? The INA is that if you are here illegally, the process you are due is if an immigration judge under the executive branch issues a deportation order, you are deported. That's understood.

[Brian Shapiro]

But our forefathers could have put. Put in that same sentence that I just read to you. Could have been any citizen. Instead, they used.

[Tim Pool]

That's not what I. That's what I said.

[Brian Shapiro]

I understand what you said.

[Tim Pool]

And the Constitution gave specific powers to the legislative branch to create the laws as to how these are enforced. And the Immigration and Naturalization act explicitly states that the due process you get as an illegal immigrant is a variety of.

[Brian Shapiro]

So if someone seeking asylum, let's just say from Mexico. Tim. Right. And they filed the proper paperwork and they're showing up in a court. Are we allowed to deport them?

[Jeremiah Hicks]

No.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay. The Trump administration has done that. There are examples where they have certainly.

[Tim Pool]

And the issue that I am talking about when we refer to due process is the principle and most. The most part for these deportations are targeting of. And I don't. I think the criminals only make up. Was it like. Like the hard criminals are only 60, 70%? It is. If you enter the country illegally, there is a variety of due process that may be applicable. First and foremost, if an immigration judge gives a deportation order that is your due process, you will be arrested by immigration or either CBP or ice and you'll be deported. You don't have a right to a hearing. You can say the words asylum. They might not give it to you. If you file before coming for asylum and then enter illegally, you're entering a nebulous position where you could be subject to either. You might get a hearing, you might not. If you go to a border and get. And request asylum and get temporary protected status, you cannot be deported. Hearing.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

The crazy part about it is this administration is actually paying people to self deport it and then come back just

[Brian Shapiro]

as well as the 5 million gold card.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Do you know anybody that's done it?

[Brian Shapiro]

No, I don't.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

I do. I know somebody. One of my.

[Brian Shapiro]

You know anybody that's bought the $5 million gold card to come back into the country?

[Jeremiah Hicks]

I don't know, but I know people that are.

[Tim Pool]

Guys. Guys.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

You don't.

[Tim Pool]

Brian, you want to blab about things. You know what economic citizenship is?

[Brian Shapiro]

What's up?

[Tim Pool]

You know what economic citizenship is?

[Brian Shapiro]

No.

[Tim Pool]

Every country has it. The Trump Gold card was a branding on what already existed. That. That's it.

[Brian Shapiro]

He. He certainly loaded about it. One person bought it. One person.

[Tim Pool]

It's because Trump branded what already exists. So you can. So St. Kitts and Nevis is one of the most famous Americans who are very wealthy like to buy. It's called economic citizenship.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

If you invest in a bank account. This is the crazy thing. I don't know the exact numbers, but I know that like for Canada, for instance, it might be 5 million. You literally just deposit 5 million in a bank account. You're going to give them the money and they will hand you a passport. Yeah, it's nuts.

[Brian Shapiro]

Can I ask you a question?

[Tim Pool]

Just brand.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

So do you know anybody that's. Do you have any friends that are illegal immigrants or anybody?

[Brian Shapiro]

Yes, I do.

[Tim Pool]

Wait, hold on, hold on. What are their names and their addresses real quick?

[Brian Shapiro]

Danny Negreano and Mike Matisau. What was I going to ask about Barack Obama? Would you give Barack Obama credit for the deportations that he accomplished?

[Jeremiah Hicks]

I, I was young when Barack Obama,

[Brian Shapiro]

he deported more people. That's why I'm asking you.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, functionally, I think I understand, but I'm just.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

It was definitely different.

[Brian Shapiro]

So let me. So let me ask you another question then.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Was that. Was that under the guise of best interest for the American people? I think that anybody that wants to protect our border has. Has the.

[Tim Pool]

Obama gets a lot of credit.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Everybody ignores that these days. You know that, right? They act like, they act like Donald Trump is this horrible person for.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, he is a horrible person for other reasons. You don't think he's a horrible person?

[Jeremiah Hicks]

No, I don't think he's a horrible person.

[Brian Shapiro]

No, you don't.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

I don't think you're a horrible person.

[Brian Shapiro]

Guess what? I'm not a liable sexual abuser and I don't have 30 women accused me of rape, so.

[Tim Pool]

But anyway, I know we, we can find right now.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

I promise you.

[Tim Pool]

I got a question for you, Brian. If I asked right now for anybody who's ever been assaulted by you to come forward, how many people you think would say you. They were?

[Brian Shapiro]

I have no idea.

[Tim Pool]

You think, you think it would be a couple hundred?

[Brian Shapiro]

Prove it in court and I'll sue you for defamation.

[Tim Pool]

And Trump did sue her for defamation. Yeah.

[Brian Shapiro]

Did. Did he win?

[Tim Pool]

It's. It's ongoing.

[Brian Shapiro]

Oh, it's ongoing.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

People would lie about.

[Tim Pool]

My point is, bro, come on.

[Brian Shapiro]

On.

[Tim Pool]

If I said right now, people on X who've been assaulted by Brian should come forward. A thousand women, issue of credibility.

[Brian Shapiro]

His ex wife, in court documents, deposition claimed that he raped her and then when he paid her off, she withdrew.

[Tim Pool]

And. And what would. What would you do if 100 women

[Brian Shapiro]

also bragged about by the genitals?

[Tim Pool]

What would you do if 100 men tweeted right now that Brian raped. That you raped them?

[Brian Shapiro]

I would say, go ahead and take me to court. I dare you. Go.

[Tim Pool]

And then. But what. Is that all you do?

[Brian Shapiro]

The hell out of you.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Do it.

[Tim Pool]

Trump is doing that.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah. Go ahead.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Ahead.

[Brian Shapiro]

I'm not a. I wouldn't be found liable because there'd be no evidence that it happened because I've never sexually.

[Tim Pool]

There's no evidence that Trump did either.

[Brian Shapiro]

Really?

[Tim Pool]

Yes. Literally, there's no evidence. So.

[Ian Crossland]

Dirty womanizer, isn't it?

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, hold on.

[Brian Shapiro]

All these women lying.

[Tim Pool]

Hold on, hold on. I'm talking about Eugene Carol.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, let's talk.

[Tim Pool]

It was 30 years ago. There's literally no evidence.

[Brian Shapiro]

Understood.

[Tim Pool]

Okay.

[Brian Shapiro]

So do you have more evidence than the jury?

[Tim Pool]

Dude, I have all the same evidence.

[Brian Shapiro]

The same evidence. So. So why do you think they convicted? You think it was just. Or not convicted? I'm sorry. Found him liable. I think it was just a political. Political.

[Tim Pool]

I would say yes. It's tough, but I would say yes. Because first of all, Eugene Carroll's story doesn't make sense. So my point is this. If bro, if someone came to me and said, last week Brian came down to Rio de Janeiro and raped me, I'd be like, brian wasn't in Rio de Janeiro. So when Eugene Carroll says, I have the dress in question from the rape, and they go, that dress didn't exist. When she says, Donald Trump was able to open an unlocked dressing room. When she said, says we got to the sixth floor of the Bergdorf Goodman with not anybody noticing the most famous, famous man in New York when they say Trump owned the hotel across the street. Her story makes no sense. And I don't give it credibility. But most Importantly, it was 30 years ago with no evidence.

[Brian Shapiro]

But, Tim, I don't care what the jury says. If this was one person, okay. That made an allegation, even though I tend to believe most people who claim they are victims. We're talking about a guy, again, who was best friends with Jeffrey Epstein, worked for 10 years.

[Tim Pool]

Exaggeration.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, hold on a second. That's according to Jeffrey Epstein. Epstein, we're talking. Let me ask you a question. Why has Maxwell been treated the way she's been treated in a facility?

[Tim Pool]

Why has Trump denied the Epstein files, called it a hoax? A lot of questions. So, Tim, the reason Best Friends is a bias.

[Brian Shapiro]

I agree, Tim. The reason why I'm bringing all this stuff up, because there's what you always talk about history. Okay. There's a history. And Phil doesn't want me to talk about that history. He just wants to again continue to Donald Trump.

[Phil Labonte]

This is a. This show is a current events show. We talk about news of the day.

[Brian Shapiro]

That's why are we talking about Donald Trump?

[Phil Labonte]

No, no, you're talking about things.

[Tim Pool]

To be fair, what kicked off the this 30 minute segment was Trump saying, I love inflation.

[Brian Shapiro]

Like that was inflation.

[Tim Pool]

That was the news story that it

[Ian Crossland]

came up that sometimes horrible.

[Brian Shapiro]

I would love to talk about Carmelo Anthony.

[Ian Crossland]

Sometimes horrible people can do great.

[Tim Pool]

Let's do it.

[Ian Crossland]

And I would love to go Trump's.

[Tim Pool]

Trump's personal.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah. And there you are.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Brian Shapiro]

Trump has got style, by the way, man.

[Tim Pool]

Thanks, sir.

[Ian Crossland]

Like Trump's, I think, pretty plaintively a womanizer throughout his life and probably a dirty womanizer at times. Cheating on his wife. Wife. But that doesn't mean he can't accomplish phenomenal things for humanity.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Exactly. And culture literally idolized Donald Trump in every aspect up until his presidency.

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't know if I agree with that assessment.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Oh, I do. Because in my childhood, all I seen was Donald Trump in cool cameo moments in every single movie in the wwe. Whatever you want to bring up with Donald Trump, it was always in a hip, cool way. Rappers would put him in music videos. And then all of a sudden, the same people that. That wanted Trump to be a part of something that they were doing, wanted to fly on his job jet, now are against him because he wants to be the president of the United States and doesn't represent the right party.

[Phil Labonte]

He had one of the top television show together, brother.

[Brian Shapiro]

Who cares if he had a television show?

[Phil Labonte]

Well, that refutes what you said.

[Brian Shapiro]

It refutes what he said. So because he was in rap videos, he couldn't have raped anybody? No, no, no, no, no.

[Tim Pool]

That's not what go the other way in terms of evidence.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I mean, the argument you made was hard. I don't think. I don't think people really looked at it.

[Brian Shapiro]

Look, you guys are right. Donald Trump is a great guy. He's a great father. He's a great hu. He's very honorable. He never dodged the military. He never sexually abused anybody. Are you guys insane?

[Ian Crossland]

Like, Teddy Roosevelt was pretty much a blazing racist, you know, killing engines for fun and. But he was a great president.

[Brian Shapiro]

I mean, the difference between me and a lot of other people, I think Bill Clinton did some horrible things to women. And I would never deny that. And if Bill Clinton was running for office again tomorrow, I wouldn't vote for him. You know why? Because I think he did some horrible things.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Brian Shapiro]

But I say the same thing about Donald Trump.

[Phil Labonte]

If Bill Clinton was running, it could. If Bill Clinton was available, could be the president. President. And he was running against Kamala Harris. I would vote for Bill Clinton.

[Ian Crossland]

I got mixed feelings about voting.

[Phil Labonte]

I agree.

[Tim Pool]

He's the same age as Trump, isn't it? Isn't he younger?

[Ian Crossland]

Like voting for evil doesn't.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

It's.

[Brian Shapiro]

I use.

[Ian Crossland]

If they're evil, I'm not going to vote for him. Now I feel like, look,

[Brian Shapiro]

argue with you on that.

[Ian Crossland]

What the Democrats did with Kamala Harris is they installed a candidate, he's younger,

[Tim Pool]

defies democracy and tried to.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

And tried to fool every black person.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, no, no, wait. I'm sorry. In a way, I was like, okay, he's a couple months younger than Trump.

[Ian Crossland]

I'll take a potentially Trump's evil and I'm not going to. Not going to say he is or not, but if he was, there's situations where like I'll take the evil character that's going to do better for society than the.

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't think Trump does better for society. But I will say this.

[Ian Crossland]

The reason I say this, because if the Democrats had installed a candidate with then the next time they do it again.

[Brian Shapiro]

I agree. I blame Joe Biden.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Harris was going to be better for society.

[Brian Shapiro]

So if Kamala Harris was president and

[Jeremiah Hicks]

by the way, that's a yes or no question. Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Oh, you think having transgenders but down in the White House line was better for society?

[Brian Shapiro]

Transgenders Negatively affect you in your life? Please tell me.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

No, I'm just asking a question.

[Brian Shapiro]

I'm just asking a question. Please answer.

[Tim Pool]

I have a lot of.

[Brian Shapiro]

I'll say yes.

[Phil Labonte]

Seven month old childhood. I don't want that stuff put in front of my kids.

[Brian Shapiro]

I'll get to that. I'll get to that.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Kamala Harris putting girls twerking on stage in front of her political rally in Atlanta.

[Brian Shapiro]

Let's talk about that. So your argument is, is that they

[Jeremiah Hicks]

thought we were stupid. That's my argument. That she thought that black people were stupid.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, guess what? Donald Trump said he loves the uneducated. That's number one. Number two, I'm not uneducated.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

You think I'm uneducated? Let it show, brother.

[Brian Shapiro]

If you think it's so problematic that Kamala let girls tweak on a stage or twerk, whatever you said, and you think that's more problematic than Donald Trump's behavior and the way he's lived his life and the cheating and the lying, then I'm sorry, my friend, I disagree with you. Because if you want to compare them all.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

You think it's okay? You think it's okay? Okay.

[Brian Shapiro]

No, no.

[Tim Pool]

I got to be honest.

[Brian Shapiro]

Harris is a good mother and a good wife. Okay? And you know what? She's never been in trouble. She's never been accused of sexual abuse.

[Phil Labonte]

She has been accused of using sexual favors to get into.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah, well, people who say that are idiots.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, okay, so now, hold on a second. Now, when someone credibly accuses Donald Trump, it's one thing, but the crime that

[Brian Shapiro]

Kamala was accused of, she's sleeping away to the top.

[Tim Pool]

That is illegal.

[Phil Labonte]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I think that is a crime.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah. Yeah, it is.

[Tim Pool]

Solicitation for sex.

[Brian Shapiro]

First of all, last I checked, that's not a crime. If you had sexual relations with someone. And then the argument you're making, by the way, you're talking about Brown. And even if that allegation was true, which I don't believe it is, she's a duly elected. By the way, I'm not even a Kamala Harris. Big fan.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

You sound like.

[Phil Labonte]

No, but you're. You're making the moral comparison, making the

[Brian Shapiro]

argument because there was twerking on his.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

I'm just. I'm just trying to point out it

[Tim Pool]

is a crime to offer sex in exchange for favors in the workplace. Money or something.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Let me clarify, because the Democratic Party

[Tim Pool]

literally thought that they were credibly.

[Brian Shapiro]

I. I would say she's a duly. So tell me, how did Brown help her become a duly elected attorney general, a senator, a vice president. You think it's because she slept with this guy Brown? Most ridiculous thing.

[Tim Pool]

The argument is only the job she got with him.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah. Well, again, I think. I think people who make statements like that are misogynist.

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Ian Crossland]

The reason I brought up is because I was talking about the process of installing. I voted against that process, which could have been very bad for America, for Americans, for humanity. To let the empire install a candidate with the Democratic super delegate system. It's so weird. So that's the problem. That's why I think even an evil Republican, that the people.

[Brian Shapiro]

I want to quickly go back to the transgender situation that both of these men.

[Tim Pool]

Let me address that real quick.

[Brian Shapiro]

Sure.

[Tim Pool]

I don't care about Trump's past personal life. We can condemn the things that were bad. I don't care if Kamala did whatever she did, and I don't care if Barack Obama married a trans person or whatever these people claim. Right. About Michelle. Like, I look at the personal lives, like, because, again, it's used against Obama to be like, oh, look what he's secretly doing. Whatever. I. I'm just sitting here being like, look, look, man, you're gonna get a lot of weirdos. You're gonna get a lot of weirdos, a lot of bad people. We want to try and. We want to try and make sure that whatever is being done, whether it's for good intentions or bad intentions, has the ultimate positive effect for the American people. And fourth, before that, I can say that Obama did a bunch of things that were, in fact, pretty good. I think he did a lot of things that were, in fact, pretty bad. And there are a lot of things that I don't like that he did. And I think there's. I think I view Trump as a. I view him, like, as a marginally net positive presidency. I view Obama as a massively net negative presidency.

[Brian Shapiro]

By what standard of my life?

[Tim Pool]

Like, what has he done that's positive?

[Brian Shapiro]

Like. Like. Well, in the grand scheme of things, we can talk about the debt he's got us in. I think it was $8.2 trillion in his first administration. Donald Trump. Trump, you know, obviously, you know, his handling of the pandemic, I thought was.

[Tim Pool]

What is this? Let me ask you about the debt. What is your concern with the debt?

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, it seems as though the last president that left us with a surplus was Bill Clinton, even though I don't like his sex Capades and I don't like him personally.

[Tim Pool]

But what about the debt right now.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

So we know what debt we built.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, no. Hold on. Like, because, because people bring up the debt, there's a lot of problems with the debt. And why this reason why I don't like it. But so I'm asking you, like, let's, let's, let's, let's hash out.

[Brian Shapiro]

I think there are better ways. The money that we are spending in Washington D.C. today, I've, and you guys will probably disagree with me on this and this is a left leaning view, but I do believe that if you tax the rich a little bit more and you don't give the biggest tax breaks in history and the CEOs of Fortune 500 companies and all these tax breaks and maybe if everybody paid the same percentage, Jeff Bezos, down to a guy making minimum wage, charge them the same percentage of flat tax.

[Tim Pool]

So let me, let me address this, this is an important conversation. Conversation because the conversation around taxing the rich tends to target like 13 guys. And the taxes that typically get implemented to target these 13 guys have massive negative repercussions for much, much smaller guys. So I'll use myself as a person, personal example of I am in favor of progressive taxes. I am not in favor of this tax the rich blanket ethos for this reason.

[Brian Shapiro]

Would you agree with the same tax percentage?

[Tim Pool]

I think we need a different tax bracket system because it doesn't extend to the people like Bates Bezos. And there's different, like wealth tax is not going to work. But let me explain this. I am, I am wealthy. I'm very wealthy.

[Brian Shapiro]

I, I told me I don't have

[Tim Pool]

the wealth the way that like Elon has the wealth. So here's what ends up happening. They say we're going to tax the rich. And I go, okay, listen, I make a lot of money because I work 80 hours a week plus I work sometimes on weekends, sometimes a little bit more.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

You work hard.

[Tim Pool]

I work hard and long hours. It's hard and long. Right? Just I always talk about how hard and long it is hard. And, and here's what happens.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Give me some money.

[Tim Pool]

They tell me if I work, what am I saying? If I work four hours a day, I will make, I will make between one and three million dollars per year. If I work eight hours a day, I'll make between three and four million dollars a year. The taxes, what they are saying to me is, Tim, when you work those extra eight hours, you will make less money. And then my response is, I guess I should not work those extra hours. I'm not making money off investments or the stock market market or, you know, watching this or pump and dump schemes or any of that weird stuff. So when they say we should tax the rich more, they're telling the majority of wealthy business owners, which are not the ultra billionaires it is. And I'm not talking about ultra millionaires either. I'm talking about people whose net worth might be a few million, but their salaries are a couple hundred thousand. They're telling the CEO, if you work more hours, you will make less money. And so they literally just go, I guess I won't. Now, we are upset that people like Bezos Bertos can take out loans against his stock and he's worth billions of dollars and lives like a king. But the policies that get implemented just target business owners who might have five, you know, fast casual restaurants instead of billionaires.

[Brian Shapiro]

I've heard this argument before, and it's true because.

[Tim Pool]

I'm sorry. I'm sorry to interrupt, but I just want to say this one more time. They are telling me every single day to stop working and stop running my business and to fire my employees every day. The liberals are saying, tim, when you work those extra, extra eight hours a day, you will get nothing for it. And I will tell you, the reality of this company is that Tim Cast IRL costs me money. Personally, I would make more money if I did not do it. And a component that is not entirely, but a component of it is the tax system.

[Brian Shapiro]

I get it, Tim, but maybe we can meet in the middle here. Okay, I get what you're saying. I also am uncomfortable. And while I'm, for the most part, okay with capitalism, I have an issue with the economy that we are in right now. For example, working two to three jobs to try to feed your family. I don't want to live in a country. If you remember at the White House, that photo op, ridiculous stunt with the grandmother who's the. Was it Uber Eats driver or something like that? I'm trying to remember. And her sad story, right? Her husband is dying of cancer. It's terrible. And I don't want somebody in this country that's paid taxes their entire life to have to work a job like that to try to save their. Her husband's life, life.

[Tim Pool]

It's sad. We all agree. And now here's the challenge. Taxing my overtime does not help her in any meaningful way. It hurts her. It is difficult. Listen, Tim Cast IRL is an investment from me into a passion. I think this show matters. I think the people that work here matter. I think everything we're building matters. If I did not do it, I would have money for infinity pools and cars. But instead the money that comes in. So when people join timcast.com that money basically just funds the operation. Yeah, it does. My salary has never gone up. In fact, I make less money. My morning show makes money that goes and subsidizes Tim Cast for this company. Taxing that extra money makes it harder for me to give people like that jobs. So if we want to. So solving these problems isn't go to Bezos and pay taxes. You know why the problem with taxes? All it's going to do is go bomb. Let's go bomb Middle Eastern countries. Brian, we're in a tax bas. I have a. I have a solution.

[Brian Shapiro]

Phil, maybe you can. Sure. I have a solution. I want a TH000 all that remains vinyls. I want you to sign them for me. I will put them up on ebay and I will. I will donate it to people struggling that are living paycheck to pay.

[Phil Labonte]

No.

[Tim Pool]

What do you think?

[Phil Labonte]

What do you think?

[Tim Pool]

I'll pay for that. Wait, wait, hold on.

[Brian Shapiro]

That's a good idea.

[Tim Pool]

I will buy a thousand volumes. Sign that. We could donate to working people. I think that'd be cool.

[Brian Shapiro]

By the way, he doesn't even know this. I listen to his music all the time. He just pisses me off on Twitter and he hates me.

[Tim Pool]

But that's okay that way with Jess Margera of cky.

[Brian Shapiro]

He has unmuted me. We're making progress.

[Phil Labonte]

I like, but no, I seriously. What do you think? Think the function of taxes. Like what? What do we pay taxes?

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, you're paying your. Your debt to society and then what.

[Phil Labonte]

What does the government tax people for?

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, obviously for government programs.

[Phil Labonte]

No, no, that it's not. It doesn't pay.

[Brian Shapiro]

And it's also to pay people in government.

[Phil Labonte]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Brian Shapiro]

It doesn't park.

[Phil Labonte]

It doesn't. It doesn't mean.

[Brian Shapiro]

That's all government.

[Phil Labonte]

The function of taxes is to manage inflation. When the government. No, hear me.

[Tim Pool]

Modern monetary.

[Phil Labonte]

Modern monetary theory, the way that our system works. When the government wants to do something, it just prints the money. The taxes are to manage the amount of money in the. In the system and to make sure

[Brian Shapiro]

that without being said.

[Phil Labonte]

Hold on, let me finish. And to make sure that dollars have a value because you have to pay taxes in dollars. So there's a demand for dollars.

[Tim Pool]

I want to. I want to elaborate on this. The way modern monetary theory works, the US government doesn't print, rent money. What the US Government will do is they'll say, brian, you know, I'm good for it. I want you to go and mow the lawn and I'll pay you $100,000 in three months. That puts debt. That, that's how the debt goes up. The debt is literally. The US Makes promises to American services and individuals saying, we'll pay you back, never actually giving the money. They then have to find the money after the fact. So inflation, quantitative easing. Taxes are to manage the inflation caused by economic activity created out of thin air. There's another, there's another policy in banking called fractional, fractional reserve banking in which the money supplies expanded. When a. When, when you, when you swipe a credit card and buy a product, that money doesn't come from an account. The bank that you. So if I want a convenience store and you buy a dollar can of soda from me and swipe with a credit card, the dollar isn't transferred. It manifests in my account account. Then I pay it back. I've added $1. $1 has been added to the money supply. That's how they expand the money supply. This creates inflation. So they tax you to reduce the amount of money available in circulation.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Hold on one second. And the point of this, the point of me bringing this up is to point out that if you raise taxes on billionaires, that money doesn't get transferred to poor people. If you taxing actually not even billionaires, if you raise taxes on the top 1%, which is. Which is they pay 40. Top 1%, pays 40% of total revenue in taxes, and that's anyone making over $663,000. If you raise taxes on those people, you will put people out of work and that money will never go to new programs.

[Tim Pool]

Are you familiar that's 100% true?

[Phil Labonte]

That is a factual argument.

[Tim Pool]

Are you familiar with the Laffer curve?

[Brian Shapiro]

No.

[Tim Pool]

This is the ratio by which, when you increase taxes, tax revenue declines. The example I like to give is Cook county is Chicago. DuPage county is the western suburbs. There was a Home Depot that was in Cook County, a few miles from the border of the county. Cook county increased taxes, I think by like 0.075 or some small number. Home Depot shut down and it was over like six months and reopened three miles away in DuPage. And I was talking to this, this girl listening. This is one. I was like a teenager. Her dad was a contractor. And I, I said, that makes no sense. They probably just lost millions of dollars. And he said, no, you don't understand, understand. With the tax increase, the contractors who buy wood were spending 20, 30, $40,000 per trip. They were looking at losing 20 to 40,000 per year on average per company. And they would be willing to drive 30 miles extra for supplies. Home Depot knew they were going to lose this due to the tax increase, so they moved. The interesting thing is Cook county lost all of the tax revenue because of it.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, Kamala Harris had a policy that, this is one of them that I did agree with where if you're a household income making under $400,000 a year.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Year.

[Brian Shapiro]

She wanted to lower taxes for you. And, and she gave her plan on, on how to do so. Yes, I just.

[Tim Pool]

You wanted to cut taxes for wealthy people under.

[Brian Shapiro]

If you're making under $400,000 a year. Not over, under. And when I look at the biggest tax breaks in the history of this country for the top 1%. Listen, here's my biggest issue, right? If you're making $40,000 a year, your percentage in taxes shouldn't be higher than somebody that's making a billion dollars.

[Tim Pool]

I need to address something for you. Do you know about how they hired some 80 some odd thousand IRS agents? Do you know what happened following that? It was exactly as we predicted. The way the IRS operates, you're not going to get audited. And when they need money, you can't go to a handful of people. If they taxed all the billionaires at 100%, I think it would run the US government for like three months. So when the US government needs to control the economic supply in a variety of means, the way you do it is you need 80,000 IRS agents, then you send letters to working class Americans, nickel and diming them. We saw a massive uptick in working class people getting IRS bills for debts they did not believe they owed but cannot fight. So if you make 60,000 a year and you get a letter from the IRS saying you have a $300 debt, this was the point of Joe Biden's burst in IRS agents was to hunt this stuff down. You're a working class guy going, I can't hire a lawyer over this. It's $300. Now you're getting nickel and dimed. And that's how they're trying to increase the IRS income.

[Brian Shapiro]

Is your both of your solutions to where we are at in this country right now? As you know? No. There are a lot of people in this country right now that are struggling, that are working multiple jobs, struggling to get by. As you also know, in the big and beautiful bill. Up to 20 million Americans losing their medical coverage, which I think is a huge problem. Millions of people losing food stamps.

[Phil Labonte]

My issue is, wait, do you want our, our solution?

[Brian Shapiro]

I think it's, I want to know right now. We're not. I think we all can.

[Tim Pool]

Hear me out.

[Brian Shapiro]

In a very good place.

[Tim Pool]

Hear me out.

[Brian Shapiro]

What do we do?

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Work harder.

[Tim Pool]

It's an industrial work harder large meat grinder that people are lined up in front of and walk into.

[Brian Shapiro]

So what you have to do, what

[Phil Labonte]

you have to do is you have to, you have to reform Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security because those are Donald

[Brian Shapiro]

Trump's health care plan.

[Phil Labonte]

Do you want what I think or do you want me to speak for Donald Trump?

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, he's.

[Phil Labonte]

Because I'm going to, I'm going to tell you, you asked for mine, so I'm going to tell you. Me, I don't know what Donald Trump says.

[Brian Shapiro]

He doesn't.

[Phil Labonte]

Sweet Brian, we didn't, we're not talking about Donald Trump right now. We're talking about me.

[Brian Shapiro]

President Donald Trump.

[Phil Labonte]

Donald Trump. Donald Trump.

[Tim Pool]

Give me your answer.

[Brian Shapiro]

Give your answer.

[Tim Pool]

Give your answer.

[Phil Labonte]

You need to reform Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. They're going to run out by 2023, 2033. They're going to, they're going to change, so that way they're going to cut Everybody's benefits by 25% or 24%. And you need to, you need to make sure that the economy is running well enough so that way the tax base increases. The major driver of our debt and our deficit are Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and inflation or and I'm sorry, not inflation and inflation, interest.

[Tim Pool]

So you need to make sure interest

[Phil Labonte]

rates are as low as they can be so that way the interest isn't compounding as fast. You need to have more economic activity so you have more people paying in taxes to manage that inflation. And you have to have a change in the system that is Medicare, Medicaid and, and Social Security, so that way you can take care of them.

[Tim Pool]

I'm going to give you the two realities. Gen Alpha is half the size of Gen Z. Yeah. You need today around four laborers to pay on an average, salaries, taxes to Social Security to accommodate one Social Security recipient. We've been reducing the amount of money Social Security recipients get relative to inflation. Like their benefits are much, much lower than they were when we started the program because we don't have the labor force. You know, what we're trying to do is take a tiny bit from everybody working to pay to the older generation. The problem is the older generation is now bigger than, than the incoming younger generation. The Democrat strategy under Biden was mass migration. So you can argue with the border was open or closed or whatever, but it certainly, we saw a large influx of estimates ranging from 10 on the, on the low end to 20 on the high end of immigrants coming to this country, illegal or otherwise. The goal there among the Democrats was we need to bolster the labor force so that we can maintain our economic system. You can't cut Medicare and Medicaid because people will revolt. How do you fund it? Bring in more workers to boost economic expenses? The concern that people like Trump and, or maybe not Trump is a good example, but Trump supporters had is that this massive influx of third worlders won't replace skilled labor. You can't bring in a Guatemalan farmer to replace a middle manager and an insurance firm. So you're not actually gonna get a one for one economic exchange. Instead you're gonna see cultural dis, cohesion and conflict. The Democrats strategy seems to be, well, we can't let the system break, can we? I mean, your livelihood is gone on. So this is the worst, best option, I guess. And the Trump strategy is if we lock the border down and bring in tariffs to boost internal economic activity and center the United States for oil activity, we will go through a rough patch and turn things around. Now, certainly you can argue the success rates of either, but these tend to be the, the aerial views of what was happening between administrations. And it looks like for whatever reason, Trump won. I think immigration pissed people off. Whether or not he will succeed is a different question. Whether or not you want him to do it is a different question. But that seems to be the overarching.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, I've told you what I want. Obviously, I've been, I've been pretty clear on that.

[Tim Pool]

Well, so, so let me ask you.

[Brian Shapiro]

That's not all I said.

[Tim Pool]

Phil, let me ask you this. So millennials are about 80 million. Gen Z is just shy about 78 million. Boomers are around, I think 65 or so many, maybe even around 60, 70. But they are approaching what's called the mortality shelf, which is 80 years old. It's life expectancy. Donald Trump being one of the, I think he's the last year of boomers. So we're expected to see over the next five years a substantial death rate. They call it the mortality cliff because once a generation reaches the age of 79, which is life expectancy, statistically large amounts of death Occur, which means we might see somewhere between like 20 to 30 million in the next five years of boomers moving on. Like this is what's going to happen. However, of the remaining of the Gen Xers which you know, I always leave out because they're kind of the middle child, but Gen Xers are around, I think 70 to 75 million. They are now entering Social Security age, AARP and all that stuff with the remaining boomers. But we're only bringing in 40 to 45 million gen alpha. So we do not have the low skill labor base to sustain Medicare medication in Social Security. The question is what do we do about that problem?

[Brian Shapiro]

Well obviously that's extremely problematic, but Phil had just mentioned that. Tax the billionaires. That's all Brian wants. That's all the liberal wants, which I'm not. But, but, but.

[Tim Pool]

So how do we address this standard economic issue with this, this bottlenecking?

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, there's a lot of things that I think we can do to make things better for the country. A lot of ways we can conserve and a lot of ways we can help people, people that are struggling now. It's not just about taxing the rich. I'm not even talking about that. I'm talking about the biggest tax breaks for the rich in the history of the country.

[Tim Pool]

Again, what does it matter?

[Phil Labonte]

Those are good.

[Brian Shapiro]

It matters a lot because I believe the money that you normally would be taxing those people.

[Tim Pool]

Forget about even taxing, not Social Security,

[Brian Shapiro]

Medicaid, forget about even taxing them more. Look, the problem I have, if we're talking about Medicaid. Right. And I'll just go to for example, someone who gets sick, who lost their medical coverage, okay. Who didn't qualify for Medicare, Medicaid. What happens when they get sick, when they get really sick, when I, when they can't afford their insulin as an example, what do they do? They'll go to the emergency room. They go to the emergency room. What happens? The hospital has to take care of them if they need some sort of. And yes, I think it's life saving care if you need insulin and you

[Tim Pool]

can't and it increases costs for everybody else.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yes, that's my point.

[Tim Pool]

Right. Well, nobody wants to let people just die, right? No, like at. No, no. Rational, you know, I always say I

[Brian Shapiro]

think there's people in this country that do. I think we have a cure to cancer.

[Tim Pool]

I guarantee you this, what you can take, okay guys, I guarantee you you can take the staunchest of suit wearing conservative pro life Christian pastor guy and you can take the gayest, you know, flamboyant is trans person. And if they are both looking at somebody who runs up to a hospital bleeding, they will both try to help that person.

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't disagree with that.

[Tim Pool]

And so the issue that we have is not, I think, the challenge that we have. Here's the. Here's the problem I have with the left and liberals.

[Brian Shapiro]

We're smarter.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah, there's a reason. There's a reason why 9 million Obama voters switched to Donald Trump in 2016. Because it's not that you're smarter. It's not that the liberal left is smarter. In fact, I think it's quite the inverse. I think there was a period where the right was very marching in lockstep and out of touch. And I think that inverted when I was younger, the right seemed to be out of touch. Then around the Trump era, the liberals started adopting policies that were incongruous with reality. And now we're at a point where they say things like tax the rich, but taxing the rich, even at 100%, doesn't pay for anything.

[Brian Shapiro]

But Phil just said something because he thought what I said was ridiculous about, I believe we have some diseases in this country where I think there is a cure. And the reason why it's not out there is because it's such a huge business. And I'll give you the example because Phil just said what I said is ridiculous. So now just let me. Let me just explain something to the musician here real quickly.

[Phil Labonte]

So Phil just schooled you on.

[Brian Shapiro]

You didn't school me on anything. I'm a type 1. I'm a type 1 diabetic. I know that they've had this for 15 years. They've injected beta cells into monkeys that can recreate a pancreas. If, you know, if a diabetic, you know, their pancreas doesn't work. They can't secrete insulin. They could have this out there right now. Now. And the reason why they don't. And I have spoken to brilliant doctors that know all about these studies. The reason why it's not out there is because it's such a huge business. Whether we're talking about insulin or testing strips or insulin pumps. It's a huge business for this field. And yes, I do believe there are people in this country that do have cures for certain diseases. And the reason why it's not out there is because of greed and money. And that's not a ridiculous.

[Tim Pool]

Let me ask you a question, Tim.

[Brian Shapiro]

Do you disagree with that?

[Tim Pool]

You're Correct. These pharmaceutical companies. These pharmaceutical companies have begun schooled you. Pharmaceutical companies have preferred to treat symptoms instead of diseases because they can make lifelong customers. My question for you is this, this treatment, how much would it cost for you to get like, like, if we could buy it right now?

[Brian Shapiro]

Oh, well, obviously, I would imagine it wouldn't be cheap. But here's, here's the thing.

[Tim Pool]

You would have the option.

[Brian Shapiro]

Here's the caveat. So, Tim, at least 15, 20 years ago, they started testing out these insulin pumps where it, it tells you what your blood sugar is at all time. And everyone made that same argument. Oh, this is. And when it first came out, Tim, extremely expensive. Yeah. Now they're extremely cheap.

[Tim Pool]

But my argument is this. You should have the choice to pay the million dollars to cure yourself of diabetes. They. I believe the pharmaceutical companies withhold this because, like, here's what, here's what happens. A pharmaceutical company says, look, we found this genetic, you know, treatment, right? That will, will basically cure type 1 is like, you were born with it, right?

[Brian Shapiro]

Like, I wasn't born with it, but it was hereditary. I got six.

[Tim Pool]

It's not like you, you gorged yourself

[Brian Shapiro]

and were ill. No, I'm not Donald Trump. Go ahead.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, so anyway, the pharmaceutical hates it. This is the mentality of the pharmaceuticals.

[Brian Shapiro]

It was just a joke.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, okay, okay. Here's the mentality of the pharmaceutical left. They say, we, we could release this cure. It's going to cost $5 million to cure. It's a crazy genetic treatment, right? Then someone's going to go, you know, if we make that available, they're going to vote that we have to make it cheap. And they're going to go, okay, then don't make it available.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So pharmaceutical companies, look, guys, and I'm gonna tell you this, like, it's so bad, a lot of Trump supporters on a magazine are going to be like, he's right. They're gonna. They hate the pharmaceutical companies. They all rip everybody off. I hate them all.

[Brian Shapiro]

Did we have. He did say we have a 1500% decrease in, in.

[Tim Pool]

You know what it is? You know what is? There's two things.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Things.

[Tim Pool]

These pharmaceutical companies are big media buyers and big political donors. Correct. Nobody wants to cross them.

[Brian Shapiro]

I agree with you 100%, and that's part of what I'm trying to say here. It's corrupt. I think we all could agree this

[Tim Pool]

is a general populist message that both sides agree with.

[Brian Shapiro]

You might agree.

[Tim Pool]

That's why I like Jen Cougar when he's like, Guys, can we just do this? Like, the left and the right can just raise figurative political pitchforks against the pharmaceutical companies and say, stop.

[Ian Crossland]

You might make the argument that letting people live forever, if everyone lived forever, that might. Forever that might implode. Like if all of a sudden all our life expectancies was 200 year old, we. Our entire human race might implode on itself.

[Brian Shapiro]

People are having problems with their blood sugars and their diabetics and think in the long run, it costs America more money with all the health issues that come. Come with it, whether eye issues or blood circulation. I understand what Tim is saying, and he's right. You know, I mean, you come out with something that's really expensive, they still wouldn't do it. But the only point that I was trying to make to Phil, which is, I think a pretty simple one, is that, yes, not every disease, but there are a lot of diseases out there. Out there where there are cures.

[Ian Crossland]

It's just people utilitarian.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

A lot of. A lot of America now is suffering from. Not just like you. You. Your issue is hereditary, like you said. Right?

[Brian Shapiro]

Correct. Y.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

But there's a lot of America that's just simply unhealthy.

[Brian Shapiro]

Of course, 2/3 of the country right now.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

How do you combat that? And that's not. That's not culture. It's just culture.

[Brian Shapiro]

It is culture. And yeah, I agree.

[Tim Pool]

We got to go to. We got to go to Rumble. Ran.

[Brian Shapiro]

Agree on something today, guys.

[Tim Pool]

Guys, we got to go to Rumble. Rants and Super Chats. The uncensored portion of the show. Oh, boy. Is going to be at [e-mail] Timcast IRL. Guys, if you become a [e-mail] and join the Discord server, you can call in and talk to our guest, which I'm sure they're very excited to talk about, but I'm gonna. I'm gonna read your guys.

[Brian Shapiro]

I was really looking forward to that. I know.

[Tim Pool]

So this one's important because this one just came in, and it's about what we just said. Jacob Williams says, tim, you are 100 wrong. These people stand on the same moral framework. During COVID these people said that if you were unvaxed that you should not get treatment. They do not share the same morals. I'm certainly not talking about that. I'm talking about a general complaint among the populist left and right that pharmaceuticals intentionally do not release cures because they would rather have sickly, permanent customers. You will hear that same conversation from the young Turks and Hasan as you will, from, you know, Charlie Kirk or Steven Crowder. Like now you will have different economic arguments and libertarian arguments. Arguments. But everybody kind of agrees. Yeah, they're intentionally not curing diseases anymore. They're turning us into subscribers.

[Brian Shapiro]

Right. That's the, that's exactly the point.

[Tim Pool]

I was, I agree that the left was like, get your vaccine.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, I never thought they should have been mandatory or mandated. Excuse me. I almost died of COVID I was in the ICU for two weeks. This was before the vaccines came out.

[Tim Pool]

They gave you a ventilator?

[Brian Shapiro]

They wanted to. I, I said, absolutely not. So I don't know if you guys want to hear the sob story, but let me just.

[Tim Pool]

You tell you, because the data that's come out now is the ventilators actually kill. Killing people.

[Brian Shapiro]

I, I agree. I agree 100%.

[Ian Crossland]

It tried to increase air flow, but

[Tim Pool]

it was a crazy story.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay. This is crazy. And it has to do with the ventilator. I, I, I thought I had the flu. I did my show. I left. I got checked. I, okay, I've got, I've got co. This was before the vaccines came out. Tested positive. I stayed home for a week. I never slept worse in my life. Like two hours of sleep and had a fever. And a week passes and I made the mistake. I didn't go to the doctor, and I should have. I thought I could just sleep it off. I had no idea how serious this was. I get up to go to the restroom and I was having trouble breathing. A friend of mine comes over. She checks my oxygen levels. It was like 80%.

[Tim Pool]

Wow.

[Brian Shapiro]

Deathly. Paramedics come and get me and say, you're going to be in the hospital for a while. I called a friend of mine who's a, thank God, she's a really smart doctor, and she told me, she said, don't let them give you a ventilator. She knew. And I, when I was talking to the doctors in the icu, they, they were considering it. And I said, absolutely not. I don't know if they would have given it to me or not. They gave me ren dese. But I will say this. You know, I saw people die in the hospital. It was, I didn't think I was going to make it. And then when the vaccines came out, I got vaccinated and got Covid two or three times after that. And it was like the sniffles. And so every. I had a conversation with you earlier about this. I never thought they should have been bro. Thank you. I appreciate it. Appreciate that. I never thought that the vaccine should have been mandated. I've been very consistent on that. I think it's a personal decision that you make with your doctor. If you're a physician who knows your medical history, you guys make a determination. And, and I'm cool with that. But when we were losing four to 5,000 people a day, I didn't have problems with, with, with things shutting down. I think 70,000 people in a stadium watching a Raiders game when we were losing 5,000 people a day probably would have been in a pro. Appropriate. Yeah, go ahead.

[Tim Pool]

I'll just finish your point real quick.

[Brian Shapiro]

I also understand that people lost their businesses. There were no winners here. It was horrible.

[Tim Pool]

I want to, I want to say one thing before we get to the chest, just real quick. Sorry. I want to try and get as many as we can. But a new study came out, released the end of April that found that the MRNA vaccines didn't stay localized. And if they got into your liver, it made you more susceptible to Covid. So some people were saying that they believe the vaccines were causing long. Covid. Covid, maybe this study, it's nature.com. they said that when the MRNA gets in your muscles, it increases immunity. If it hits your white blood cells, it can be middle of the road. It might damage your immune system. It might.

[Brian Shapiro]

Misinformation was getting out when it got into your liver.

[Tim Pool]

And this is, this is from this year. This is from a few months, a couple months ago. If it gets in your liver, it tells your body to tolerate the spike protein. So it allowed Covid to propagate before. So people were getting really, really sick. And it is believed.

[Brian Shapiro]

Sure.

[Tim Pool]

But I do have to say this first. Brian, it's one to one right now.

[Brian Shapiro]

The hockey game. Vegas Golden Knights.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. And Astro Fox says I can forgive Brian's incredibly horrible takes, but missing a night's game in the middle of the Stanley Cup. Vegas local card revoked.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah, well, first of all, he doesn't know what he's talking about because that wasn't a home game. It's actually on the road against Carolina, you dope.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, two to one snap. Shapiro with the goal. You were just there to one of the games.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I went to both the games, you clown. Whoever said that.

[Tim Pool]

And what, you're trying to get me to go to one too, right?

[Brian Shapiro]

I was going to get your whole crew in, man. That's right. Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

So close.

[Brian Shapiro]

Dan Agrano has 16 season tickets. I think you know, and, and. But I also know some people, so

[Tim Pool]

you can, you can. You can offer those.

[Brian Shapiro]

I would even invite Phil. I would.

[Phil Labonte]

Phil, I wouldn't go.

[Brian Shapiro]

I would have a beer with you.

[Phil Labonte]

You wouldn't go to his back from tour. And I got a kid at home. I got a spot.

[Brian Shapiro]

I thought it was because of me. I would invite Phil. I would. I'm an. I'm actually a nice guy.

[Tim Pool]

All right.

[Brian Shapiro]

Not such a bad guy.

[Tim Pool]

Are you ready for these, Brian?

[Brian Shapiro]

Let's do it.

[Tim Pool]

David Flores says Brian is a cuck simp who invokes his debate opponents deceased child with crocodile tears. Yeah, because he's a dirty grifter. Brian and his ilk are why this nation is failing.

[Brian Shapiro]

Who do I cuck for? Name me a name. Who do I cook for?

[Tim Pool]

I don't know. Joshua says 86 Shapiro.

[Ian Crossland]

It sounded like it wasn't crocodile tears.

[Brian Shapiro]

I didn't be the first time, bro. Who do I cuck for? I don't cook for the Democrats. I'm not a Democrat. In fact, I've been called a racist lately because I called out Kamala Harris and I think we're all screwed. Rude. If Kamala runs again.

[Tim Pool]

I gotta be honest.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Democrats are racist.

[Tim Pool]

Hey, hey, look, look.

[Brian Shapiro]

You know, and Republicans aren't.

[Tim Pool]

I gotta. I gotta give.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

I've met more racist Democrats than I have Republicans.

[Tim Pool]

I agree. I completely.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

Like my whole life makes those faces.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

But hey, are you gonna.

[Brian Shapiro]

I think there are racists everywhere. I think there are racist people that

[Jeremiah Hicks]

I've experienced racism from. Are people that supported people.

[Brian Shapiro]

The one party who's a systemic race.

[Tim Pool]

Excuse me, sir. Black man. Can you please defer to the white man's experience for a second?

[Jeremiah Hicks]

No, he's telling me. He's telling me who I. Who I should think is racist.

[Brian Shapiro]

One party that says systemic racism from

[Jeremiah Hicks]

the party that said you ain't black if you don't vote Democrat Joe Biden

[Brian Shapiro]

apologized for the next.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

I don't care if he apologizes.

[Brian Shapiro]

You don't care if somebody admits they're wrong about something?

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Well, I mean, he said it.

[Tim Pool]

Well, hold on, hold on. His point was he experienced racism more from them and it's. He apologize doesn't change the fact that he experienced it from him.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah, so.

[Tim Pool]

So I agree with.

[Brian Shapiro]

I've experienced one.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

One of the most racist in this company is pushed by the. By the Democratic party. And we know that's abortion.

[Tim Pool]

The most racist.

[Brian Shapiro]

Abortion is racist.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Yes. Do you know who a woman by the name of Margaret Sanger.

[Tim Pool]

Wait, wait, Brian. Do you know the 1340 is?

[Brian Shapiro]

Yes, I do.

[Tim Pool]

Despite making up 13% of the population. Black babies account for 40% of the abortions.

[Brian Shapiro]

I understand that.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

You understand that. And you still. You still don't say that. It's not racist.

[Brian Shapiro]

My opinion on.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Margaret Sanger said this. Listen, Margaret Sanger said this. The founder of Planned Parenthood, the organization that all these people get out on the streets and chant for. You probably support it. She said this. It is my job. I don't want the word to get out that I want to exterminate the Negro population. But a good way would to do that would be through the black preacher.

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

No, no, no, no. So you're telling me that's not right?

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't think you know what I support, so I'll explain it.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

No, no. I'm asking you, is that racist?

[Brian Shapiro]

You said you just thought I support.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Is that. Is that racist what? The founder of Planned Parenthood.

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't think. I don't think.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

You're not going to answer the question.

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't know what happens to every person answering it. You're not letting me.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

It's a yes or no question.

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't know who that individual is. I could see why is the founder of planetaries where they destroy babies. I could see how some people could construe that as racist.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Construe that as racist?

[Brian Shapiro]

Bro, give me a break.

[Tim Pool]

Hold on my debate running around. I'm not familiar with that quote. I can't answer to it.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, that's what I meant to say. Obviously I misspoke. But here's what I will say. I don't think it's racist for somebody like myself to say that. I don't want to tell women what to do with their bodies now. I.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

What are you telling them to do with their bodies now?

[Brian Shapiro]

I understand.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

86 a baby, right?

[Tim Pool]

Guys, guys, I want to get. I want to get more questions and comments.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Why you shaking your. Hey, listen, man.

[Brian Shapiro]

Are you.

[Tim Pool]

That's.

[Brian Shapiro]

Are you a serious person?

[Tim Pool]

It's very easy to fall into longer debates. We have a lot of super chats.

[Brian Shapiro]

Go ahead.

[Tim Pool]

And they're mostly just insulting Brian. So I feel bad.

[Ian Crossland]

Watch over the homonyms.

[Tim Pool]

And with all due respect, I do. I can't.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

What did you.

[Tim Pool]

I'm sorry. I'm trying to get these facts.

[Brian Shapiro]

Something can't spell.

[Tim Pool]

I want to say this. I'm not going to read every single insult, but it would be unfair. I don't mind money.

[Brian Shapiro]

I have. I'm not like Donald Trump. I don't have, like, thin skin. I can. You Know Joshua, by the way, my skin's not leaving my body.

[Tim Pool]

This one I actually think is pretty good. Joshua says Charlie Kirk had more integrity in his left nut than Brian's entire blood. Bloodline.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah, okay.

[Tim Pool]

It's pretty. It's a. It's a good. It's a good rip. It's a good rip. You know, let's see.

[Brian Shapiro]

I have no comment for that one.

[Tim Pool]

Both mine. We actually. We need to debate. We need to discuss Carmelo. We'll do the Carmelo discussion.

[Brian Shapiro]

I would love to. Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Let's see. Miner says Brian is my favorite misogynist. I wish I could tell women to shut up and make me a sandwich in public. Truly a hero.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah, I don't know if that's poison. I would gladly poison a sandwich for him.

[Tim Pool]

I think they might being serious because there's a couple comments where they thought it was funny that you told Rachel to make a sandwich. Sandwich.

[Brian Shapiro]

I did actually, but can I just. Can I just say why I said that? No, because it was in the con. The context of told somebody sandwich. I'm trying to explain it. If you could just let me finish. Stop being racist.

[Phil Labonte]

No.

[Brian Shapiro]

So please let the white man talk. Stop being racist. So if you see Phil like that joke, you're red. I said that, Tim, because I was doing the context of pretend like I'm Andrew Wilson and go make a sandwich. I said that to actually.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I actually.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

But wait, wait, wait. Who. I wouldn't care if you actually did. It was clear in a debate. You're making a point.

[Brian Shapiro]

A joke. Yeah, and I'm making a point that your husband is a misogynist. I'll say that right now. Is a dad bod. Misogynist piece of human scum.

[Tim Pool]

I don't want to drag him into this, but I just think you just did.

[Brian Shapiro]

You mentioned.

[Tim Pool]

Are conservatives upset that you made a joke Tongue. I'm going get a sandwich.

[Brian Shapiro]

I will tell. Tell your conservative who's listening to the show to go F himself. Here we go.

[Tim Pool]

Here we go. Swanson says, Brian, I'm a welder. I make 25 an hour. Bring home 4k a month. And I lived perfectly fine. Fine. I have 2000 town car low miles and a 99F. 150 gases. 309 here in Chattanooga. Quit whining.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, guess what? It's not just about what you pay for gas in your city. You trump mushroom gobbling idiot. Okay? It's about throughout the entire country, the national average. Hold on a second.

[Tim Pool]

I hate insult you.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, I'm insulting him because he's an ignorant fool. Just because you pay $3.09 a gallon doesn't mean everybody else is. Fine line. And they're paying $3.09 a gallon, you fool. The average price of gas is $4.60 or $4.55. I hate this argument. Hey, Brian, I'm only paying $2.85 a gallon. Yeah, you dope. That's in your city. We're talking about the national average. The problem with MAGA supporters and my biggest criticism is they only see life through their own lens, not through other people. We're talking about the national average. Of course, you can find cities where gas prices, Gas prices are cheap.

[Tim Pool]

That's how I view liberal liberals.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

I mean, people still want to come to America even though all. It's all so bad right now.

[Tim Pool]

When I, like I was telling you

[Brian Shapiro]

up or down,

[Tim Pool]

I was telling you the story before the show that I liberal friends in California and they were telling me that they thought all Trump supporters were racist. They thought it was white supremacy.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah, I would never.

[Tim Pool]

Not you. Yeah, but. And I had to explain to them

[Brian Shapiro]

just, this guy's racist.

[Tim Pool]

There's working class. There's working class dudes in the suburbs of, you know, like New York or whatever, and they were Bernie supporters and Bernie got knocked out and they're going for Trump. They're not white supremacists. They just, they want the candidate who says, bring the jobs back. They want the candidate who says, stop the illegal immigration. Bernie agreed and Trump agreed. Tpp. What I see now with most liberals is they don't try to understand the worldview and ideologies of the right. There's the old trope that the right thinks the left is misguided, the left thinks the right is evil.

[Brian Shapiro]

We're very divided.

[Tim Pool]

We've actually found. We've. Okay, right. We've actually found in these studies. I think this is Jonathan Heights research. I could be wrong. The right, when asked, when asked questions about what the other political ideology believes, the right conservatives get it correct. They say, what do liberals think about this issue? They are correct. When liberals are asked, what do conservatives think? They get it wrong. That's what the study bears out. So my view tends to be that I don't think the default liberal, that's the term for your average person who just, you know, they're not into politics, but they'll vote Democrat. They live in a city. They want what's best for people. They want what's good, but they don't bother to ask why someone would vote for Trump. They tend just to listen to the proselytizers and then vote Democrat.

[Brian Shapiro]

I mean, I try to ask people, I try to try to figure out why people still support at this time Donald Trump. I try to ask people, what were Kamala's policies that you hated so much? Listen, the Democrat party has a lot of issues.

[Tim Pool]

Issues.

[Brian Shapiro]

I would be, I would be the first one to admit that. And their mess, their messaging was terrible. Joe Biden, you know, Kamala Harris only had three months to campaign. There should have been a primary. I've, I've criticized Democrats a lot. But at the same time, when I ask Trump supporters on a daily basis and have conversations with them, it's usually just immigration. I say, what has he done for the economy? What is. You know, I bring up a lot of different issues and that.

[Tim Pool]

But people are single issue voters.

[Brian Shapiro]

Unfortunately.

[Ian Crossland]

Yes, I agree with different ways to some sycophants.

[Brian Shapiro]

I want some more insults. Sorry, Ian.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, here's David. David B. Gooch 86 Brian Shapiro, Doc Holliday Leprechaun Cast IRL that's, that's a,

[Brian Shapiro]

that's actually very funny.

[Tim Pool]

Stay free. The little ginger is way too annoying. There's a whole lot of super chats that are like, get them, Phil, get them, Phil.

[Brian Shapiro]

Do I get a percentage? Can I get a percentage? Oh, wait, hold on a second. Let's go ahead.

[Tim Pool]

Let's grab this. So we got this from relatively objective. He says Comey Seashells were not a threat because nobody believes he would personally do anything. They were Tweedledee and Tweedledum calls to violence though.

[Brian Shapiro]

So I disagree.

[Tim Pool]

Well, no, but you. So the concept of a Tweedledee Tweedledum threat is. Are you familiar?

[Brian Shapiro]

I am. And I still disagree with that. You know, I. Listen, there's a lot of people that say that term. I don't see it as a black coined it.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

And it's true.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah, but I don't, I don't think most reasonable people would see what Comey did as, as a legitimate threat in any, or, or some.

[Tim Pool]

But it's, it's the, it's the, it's the, it's the.

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't think he'll be prosecuted or found guilty. I don't think he'll be.

[Tim Pool]

No, I don't disagree with that. Yeah.

[Brian Shapiro]

So don't think the case is strong enough.

[Tim Pool]

Like, I wonder if you've ever experienced something like this, because I bet you have. Where. What, what we've experienced like with Charlie Kirk is a Good example.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Someone. One person stands up and says, Nazis should all be murdered on the spot.

[Brian Shapiro]

And when police say anybody should be murdered, that's. I'm sorry, go ahead.

[Tim Pool]

That's free speech. You did not direct a threat. There's no imminent threat to violence.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, when you say somebody should be murdered, I think that crosses a gray

[Tim Pool]

area, personally, morally, in the legal sense, you are allowed to stand in a street corner and say, all Nazis should be killed on the spot. That's free speech. Speech.

[Brian Shapiro]

Correct.

[Tim Pool]

The guy standing next to you then points at you and goes, Nazi. Both of those people have engaged in protected speech. Neither has created an imminent threat. But their statements combined turn into someone saying Nazi should be killed and there's a Nazi. But because each individual only said two different parts of it, that's the Tweedledee Tweedledum death threat.

[Brian Shapiro]

I understand that point, but I think we all could agree here. If Comey wasn't a political opponent in some aspect, or if there weren't personal issues between Trump and Comey Comey, he would not have been arrested.

[Ian Crossland]

That's correct.

[Brian Shapiro]

And that's wrong.

[Tim Pool]

No, hold on. There's two ways to look at it. The reason why Todd Blanche is saying this is a threat is because of the weight behind Comey's. The statement 86.

[Brian Shapiro]

Is that the way the law applies?

[Tim Pool]

Yes. Yes, it is.

[Brian Shapiro]

So if Comey puts out on seashells this term and then somebody like me or you puts out something along those lines, there's more weight to Comey doing it. He's no longer working in government.

[Tim Pool]

He's no longer intact matters. And so means is a component of committing a crime. Do you have the means? If a fat guy CNH who never left his house is 86. 47. Then Blanche literally said, that's not a threat.

[Brian Shapiro]

Tim, here's the.

[Tim Pool]

When a guy holding a gun and pointing it says it.

[Phil Labonte]

It is one point that I want to bring up, though. You just said that Comey shouldn't be held to a different standard because he's.

[Brian Shapiro]

I think everybody should be held to the same standard.

[Phil Labonte]

So you made the exact opposite argument about Trump earlier.

[Brian Shapiro]

What do you mean?

[Phil Labonte]

Because you said, oh, do you think it's okay for the President of the United States to do this? Do you? And you were making that.

[Brian Shapiro]

You were referring to what?

[Phil Labonte]

Help me talking about him being a bad person. You're okay with the president not talking about.

[Brian Shapiro]

I wasn't talking about law. Okay, so you said talking about breaking the law. No, no, hold on. Let me just explain. Let Me. Let me explain to you in that context. I wasn't talking about the law. I do believe the law should be applied to everyone equally. What I'm talking about is setting the example based on his behavior, the things he says, the things that he does. Behavior, Phil, not the law. I do believe the law should be applied equally whether it's you, me or the president. That's the difference.

[Tim Pool]

I, I got.

[Brian Shapiro]

I want to get to leadership thing.

[Tim Pool]

I'm sorry to just, just cut these short because we're trying to get.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah, go ahead. Sorry.

[Tim Pool]

I do have to say. I do have to say one quick thing before reading the super chat. Carolina's three. It's tonight's one. They're up to.

[Brian Shapiro]

They're up three one.

[Tim Pool]

It's three one.

[Brian Shapiro]

Carolina is not going to be. Oh, man.

[Tim Pool]

All right, we got this from. This is your captain false. As an airline pilot, I'd like to point out the Atlas car. The Atlas Air cargo credit crash. A black pilot who had been pushed through training and eventually crashed a plane. Instruction instructor had warned the company he

[Brian Shapiro]

was pushed through training. I'd love to see evidence of how many hours of training he got compared to a white pilot pushed through training. Please be specific. Send him another $5, please. Please be specific and tell me where is your evidence that he was quote, pushed through training? By the way, there's no evidence anywhere that I've seen that if you're black, black, you didn't get the same hours of training that somebody white had. It's the same standard of training. Now if you're talking about DEI hires and other categories that's different. I'm specifically talking about pilots flying planes. So it's like, come on, man.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, what you're saying, DEI hires, it's possible, like conceivable that someone that was a pilot was hired.

[Brian Shapiro]

Oh, no.

[Phil Labonte]

Because of their. That. That someone was overlooked like a person

[Brian Shapiro]

of a different race and that overlooked

[Phil Labonte]

because they needed to fill a quota. That's completely conceivable.

[Brian Shapiro]

We're talking about. That's.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

That literally exists.

[Brian Shapiro]

We're talking about pilots, okay.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Not because they're quality.

[Brian Shapiro]

We're talking about pilots right now. Right. In that context, there is no evidence that I've ever seen.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, this is I factor. This is true.

[Brian Shapiro]

That a black pilot didn't get.

[Tim Pool]

This is true.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah. Appropriate amount of training. So white pilot got. And he was hired.

[Tim Pool]

He had a poor training record, but was, was, was, was confirmed for qualification.

[Brian Shapiro]

That's different.

[Tim Pool]

And responsible for the. Well, the, the argument is that the company wanted to get a minority pilot through. So even though he shouldn't have qualified. You know what? We're going to do it anyway.

[Brian Shapiro]

If that's true. Were they.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Because he was black.

[Tim Pool]

Let me.

[Brian Shapiro]

If that's true. And they put a black pilot in there that was unqualified for the position. And that's why the plane crash. There would be a huge lawsuit. Huge.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

No.

[Tim Pool]

Instructors had warned the company saying that his training was horrible.

[Brian Shapiro]

But was this fought in the courtroom in any way, shape or form?

[Tim Pool]

I'm reading it right now. It was 2019.

[Brian Shapiro]

It actually does. Because that would mean that.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

I mean it happened though.

[Brian Shapiro]

It's just an allegation. It's just a claim.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Well, now you're.

[Brian Shapiro]

Was it substantiated in a courtroom?

[Ian Crossland]

What's the guy's name?

[Brian Shapiro]

Just because somebody says something doesn't mean it's multiple.

[Phil Labonte]

Multiple people said that.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, well a lot of multiple people say a lot of stupid things. So what Multiple people.

[Phil Labonte]

People that actually were the instructors.

[Brian Shapiro]

We're talking about millions and millions of dollars if a black.

[Tim Pool]

They settled. But settlements are private.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay. I'd love to know the evidence that was provided in that this pilot was hired. And that's why there was a. Okay. That's why there was.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know. You have to look it up. There was a death lawsuit.

[Brian Shapiro]

There's a lot of plane crashes where

[Tim Pool]

pilots that jump seats. The jump seat passenger filed a lawsuit. The settlement claims are. Are not publicized. There were several wrongful death. No. No criminal charges.

[Ian Crossland]

However.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

And as you support DEI hires.

[Brian Shapiro]

Do I support. No. So I would consider. I'll give you some DEI hires. You ready for this?

[Jeremiah Hicks]

No, no, no.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah. Christine Owam is a DEI hire. I think that. That the former leader of the FBI is a DEI hire. Cash Patel is a DEI hire. John F. Kennedy.

[Tim Pool]

What I say what I mean is a DEI hire.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

You think that it's okay for somebody to hire me because I don't support

[Brian Shapiro]

somebody hiring somebody that's not qualified for any job. And if you look at the Trump administration, they have a ton of DEI hires if you really want to get.

[Tim Pool]

But okay, let's. In all but okay. Just the actual debate. No, they don't. I thought Christy.

[Ian Crossland]

No one.

[Tim Pool]

Cash Patel was not hired for being Indian and Christina was not hired for being a woman like hot chick.

[Brian Shapiro]

Do you think those were qualified hires Christine Owen for that it's not the question of dead. I understand that Trump.

[Tim Pool]

Trump hires loyalists. Right.

[Brian Shapiro]

Exactly. I understand. So Tim is making my point. For me, what Donald Trump has done. Hold on. What Donald Trump has done is he's hired people that are not qualified.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

I'm not asking about Donald Trump. Is he. Bro. Do you have pictures?

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Your bedroom. Because you keep going back to him.

[Brian Shapiro]

I'm asking you about talking about dei Wolverine.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, okay, let's pause. We've got. We've got half a minute left.

[Brian Shapiro]

Go ahead, Go ahead.

[Tim Pool]

Before we go to the uncensored portion, we'll all say naughty words.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Not me.

[Tim Pool]

His question was, I will, though. What was it? Do you support DEI hires?

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Like if somebody hired me because I'm black, would you support that?

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't necessarily to support anybody putting somebody in a position that's not qualified for the position because of the color of their skin.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

So you don't.

[Brian Shapiro]

I can't be more clearer than that. However, I will say this. If one person is just as qualified as another person and they happen to be black, and that was maybe a determining factor, picking that black person over that white person that are both have equal resumes and both qualified for the job in that specific situation, I don't have a problem.

[Tim Pool]

But I, I think you're going to

[Jeremiah Hicks]

pick one of them because they're black.

[Tim Pool]

I think that's evil.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Yeah. That's not right.

[Tim Pool]

Because the only determining factor is that you chose someone by. Based on race.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, I think. And we shouldn't.

[Tim Pool]

We shouldn't have to be.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Maybe if you support Martin Luther King. King, he said, I would rather be judged by the content of my character, not the color of my skin.

[Brian Shapiro]

Let me ask you.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

I would rather be hired based on what qualifies me.

[Tim Pool]

We're over time.

[Brian Shapiro]

Go ahead.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So the issue I have is you said they're two equally qualified people and the company can choose someone based on race. That is what my family and what civil rights activists have fought to end that companies can say, I'd prefer particular race for this job. We should allow that.

[Brian Shapiro]

It's wrong in a, in a perfect world. But I think, I think the reason why I say that is, you know, I look at, you know, how many Black people are CEOs of Fortune 500 companies. They had the issue in the NFL for many, many years. You know what's wrong about hiring head coaches?

[Tim Pool]

And you know what the problem is?

[Brian Shapiro]

20 years ago, everybody was white.

[Tim Pool]

And here's the problem is I'm second generation mixed race.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

My, my mom's side of the family had to flee numerous states because miscegenation laws were in effect. And today your ideology says, I look to white. And I have experienced this. And I beg liberals to stop judging me as a white man because my family did go through hardship. I just want to be treated on the merits.

[Brian Shapiro]

Let me ask you a question.

[Tim Pool]

But the worldview of the liberal is when me and this, when Jeremiah go for a same job, they're going to be like, I'm going to pick him over me. And I'm like, how about we just get the job because we're good or

[Ian Crossland]

not good at it and you'll never get identical.

[Tim Pool]

Neither of us want to be judged by race.

[Brian Shapiro]

So why is it then that we've only had one, one black president?

[Tim Pool]

Because he was all, let's do this. Let's bring the debate to the uncensored portion of the [e-mail] Timcast IRL coming up very, very soon. You can follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast. Jeremiah, you want to shout anything out.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Jesus loves you and I do too.

[Tim Pool]

That's a great shout out. But you have a social media too, so people follow you.

[Jeremiah Hicks]

Jeremiah underscore Hicks on Instagram and then Jeremiah Hicks on YouTube, Jeremiah Hicks on Facebook and then Jeremiah underscore Hicks.

[Tim Pool]

See how selfless he immediately goes to. To Jesus instead of him.

[Brian Shapiro]

Love Christ, brother.

[Tim Pool]

People got to follow on Instagram. But I respect it. I respect it.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, be the message, Ryan.

[Tim Pool]

Where can they find you?

[Brian Shapiro]

Thanks, man. Thanks for having me, Tim. So the show is called Pushing the Limits. The website's Pushing the Limits Live. I have a new substack, pushing the limits one. I'm on social media. The Brian Shapiro and YouTube and Facebook pages are at PTL Radio Show. And I would like to think that Jesus Christ loves a ball ginger as well.

[Ian Crossland]

Jesus does love ball gingers.

[Tim Pool]

Dude, he's down. Hit it, Ian.

[Brian Shapiro]

You know, and wait. And I love Phil as well. I do love you.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm absolutely. This has been wonderful. So if you were frustrated watching, you'll know that when you're here you can interact. It's less frustrating. So get on the discord, call in, get involved with the conversation. Come to the live events. Get involved with the conversation. It's a lot of fun. Thanks for following me and everybody. I'm at Ian Crossland. Follow me on YouTube, Instagram, X& Twitch at Ian Crossland.

[Tim Pool]

Fill the bonte.

[Phil Labonte]

I am Phil that remains on Twix. The band is all that remains. You can check out the music at Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, YouTube, Spotify and Deezer. This Sunday, we're playing the Warp Tour in Washington, D.C. so you can get your [e-mail] I also have a new post up on my substack that is. I'm sorry, on my. On my patreon that's patreon.com filter remains. I go into similarities between the 2020 election and the California mayor election that recently happened. Don't forget the left lane is for crime.

[Ian Crossland]

I'd also like to shout out Christ for sure.

[Tim Pool]

That's a.

[Ian Crossland]

That was a good one, Jeremiah.

[Tim Pool]

Thank you man.

[Ian Crossland]

That was a crazy conversation. I can't wait for the after show. You can follow me at Carter Banks on X and at Carter Banks official everywhere else. Follow the label at Trash house Records on YouTube and let's get it.

[Tim Pool]

We'll see you [e-mail] Timcast IRL right now. Thanks for hanging out.