U.S. Says NUKING IRAN Is The ONLY OPTION, Trump Won't Rule It Out w/ Stacy Washington

Summary

Timcast IRL: U.S. Says NUKING IRAN Is The ONLY OPTION, Trump Won't Rule It Out Hosted by Tim Pool, featuring guest Stacey Washington Release Date: June 21, 2025

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Introduction

In this episode of Timcast IRL, host Tim Pool engages in a fierce and unfiltered discussion with Stacey Washington, an Air Force veteran and political commentator, alongside regulars Ian Crossland and Phil Labonte. The primary focus revolves around the escalating tensions between the United States and Iran, particularly the U.S. consideration of deploying nuclear weapons as a means to dismantle Iran's nuclear capabilities.

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U.S. Consideration of Nuclear Action Against Iran

Tim Pool opens the discussion by citing reports from Truth Out and New Republic about the U.S. assessment that only a tactical nuclear strike could effectively destroy Iran's Fordo nuclear facility. He emphasizes the dire situation, stating:

"According to numerous reports, Donald Trump backed off a strike on Iran, giving it two weeks, because he was informed that the only way to destroy the Fordo nuclear site would be with a tactical nuclear strike." (00:56)

Stacey Washington expresses skepticism about the feasibility and morality of using nuclear weapons or launching a ground invasion:

"I don't think either of those options work for me." (10:29)

The conversation delves into the technical challenges of using bunker buster bombs, with Stacey comparing the precision required to scenes from action movies like "Top Gun Maverick," highlighting the improbability of successfully executing such strikes without extensive collateral damage.

Phil Labonte introduces a historical perspective, drawing parallels between potential U.S. actions and past events:

"So you make an interesting point. Maybe we should send boots on the ground into Iran to Prevent World War 3." (26:12)

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Alternative Military Strategies and Their Implications

The panel debates alternative strategies beyond nuclear strikes and ground invasions. Tim Pool suggests unconventional methods such as deploying robotic units:

"What if we dropped something like 100,000 machine gun mounted robot dogs?" (32:10)

Stacey Washington counters by emphasizing the complexities and potential repercussions of such actions, including loss of control and escalation of violence.

Ian Crossland discusses the potential for regime change through cultural or scientific influence rather than direct military intervention:

"I like the culture victory, like, or the scientific. If you can convince people to rise up and create their own democracies, that's the way to go." (27:06)

However, Stacey remains unconvinced, arguing that the current Iranian regime's deep-rooted theocracy poses significant challenges that soft power alone cannot address.

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Media Coverage and Public Perception

A significant portion of the discussion critiques media narratives surrounding the U.S.'s military options against Iran. Tim Pool criticizes left-leaning publications for portraying nuclear strikes as the only viable option, thereby limiting public discourse on alternative strategies.

He cites the Guardian and Fox News reports, highlighting conflicting narratives and the potential for misinformation:

"It seems that Trump doesn't want to take that, doesn't want to make that move." (05:36)

Stacey Washington adds that Trump may be leveraging extreme rhetoric to pressure Iran into diplomatic negotiations, though she doubts the sincerity and practicality of such tactics.

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Domestic Issues and Their Link to Foreign Policy

The conversation briefly touches upon domestic challenges, including the rise in homelessness among veterans and issues with immigration policies. Stacey Washington emphasizes the need to prioritize national security threats like the Mexican cartels over foreign adversaries, questioning the allocation of resources:

"The cartels are a bigger national security threat, much higher on the list than well before Iran." (62:30)

Tim Pool highlights the disparity in governmental focus, arguing that internal issues are being neglected in favor of foreign conflicts.

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Assassination Attempt and Political Ramifications

A critical incident discussed is the recent shooting at a "No Kings" protest in Utah, where Arturo Gamboa, an individual associated with anti-fascist movements, was arrested but later ordered to be released due to insufficient evidence. Tim Pool posits that the arrest is a cover-up, suggesting:

"They were trying to find a reason why this guy's at fault simply because he was open carrying a rifle." (74:22)

Stacey Washington advocates for accountability, asserting that organizers of such events should face legal consequences for inciting violence.

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Final Thoughts and Call to Action

As the episode concludes, the panel reflects on the broader implications of U.S. foreign policy and internal governance. Tim Pool urges listeners to remain informed and critical of media portrayals, emphasizing the importance of understanding the complexities surrounding U.S.-Iran relations.

"This is how they smear the Right. This is how they smear Trump." (89:33)

Stacey Washington calls for addressing domestic issues, such as veteran homelessness and effective immigration reform, to strengthen national security and societal stability.

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Notable Quotes

• Tim Pool [00:56]: "According to numerous reports, Donald Trump backed off a strike on Iran, giving it two weeks, because he was informed that the only way to destroy the Fordo nuclear site would be with a tactical nuclear strike."

• Stacey Washington [10:29]: "No, I don't think either of those options work for me."

• Phil Labonte [26:13]: "I get what you're saying. Is it your sense that MAGA would forgive Donald Trump..."

• Tim Pool [89:33]: "This is my concern with Trump meeting with Bannon because... And then Bannon might be like, holy crap."

• Stacey Washington [62:30]: "The cartels are a bigger national security threat, much higher on the list than well before Iran."

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Conclusion

This episode of Timcast IRL provides a deep dive into the precarious geopolitical landscape between the U.S. and Iran, questioning the viability and morality of extreme military options. Through spirited dialogue and critical analysis, host Tim Pool and guest Stacey Washington challenge prevailing narratives and advocate for more nuanced approaches to international conflicts, all while spotlighting pressing domestic issues that intertwine with national security.

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Disclaimer: The views and statements expressed in this summary reflect the content provided in the podcast transcript and do not necessarily represent factual events or the opinions of OpenAI.

Transcript

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[Tim Pool]

According to numerous reports, Donald Trump backed off a strike on Iran, giving it two weeks, because he was informed that the only way to destroy the Fordo nuclear site would be with a tactical nuclear strike. The concern brought up by Trump himself was that the bunker busters would not be strong enough to actually penetrate the mountain base, reach the labs below the nuclear facility below, and destroy it. Apparently, he was informed they would have to not only hit it with a bunker buster, but follow it up with a tactical nuke. And it seems that Trump doesn't want to take that, doesn't want to make that move. Now, the Guardian reported that they were not considering doing this. However, according to Fox News, they said White House officials have not taken the use of a tactical nuke off the table as according once again to several reports, it is the only way that they're going to be able to destroy this nuclear facility. Except for it's funny they say the only option. Now they're saying it's the best option because they could always launch a ground invasion of Iran and send humans into the Ford a facility to take it over and shut it down. Oh boy. Hopefully this is a big ask and what Trump is actually doing is saber rattling in the most extreme way possible so that Iran is forced to come to the table. But Donald Trump met with Steve Bannon recently and he also got on the phone with Tucker Carlson. So it sounds like conversations are happening at the very least with the people who are staunchly opposed to US involvement in Iran. And I'm hoping the direction it's going is Trump is heeding the advice of these men, deciding not to go in. I'm hoping it's not the other way that Trump is trying to convince them the only move he's got is actually boots on the ground. So we're to talk about that. Plus there's a bunch of of news. We've got reports on the shooting in Utah at the Liberal 50501 protest. The man who was arrested in the shooting, who was actually a victim and being shot at has been released. Mind you, this is an antifa guy and the lawyers have filed a claim saying he was unlawfully being detained. So we'll talk about that. Plus, man, there's a lot of stuff going on. That assassin in Minnesota, he claims Tim Waltz told him to do it. I mean, sounds crazy, but we'll see. Before we get started, my friend, we got a. My friends, we got a great sponsor. It's my pillow. Buy pillows, guys. How many pillows do you got? Go to MyPillow.com Tim and you can pick up a MyPillow use promo code. Tim. And it's a. It's going to be, it's going to be great. They've got the With God all things are possible multi use pillow. They got Rev7 energy drinks. Actually, check it out. I'm drinking this right now. These things are really good. I don't know how they do it. Shout out to the Rev7 drinks. There's like no sugar in it, but they're delicious. And they got towels. You guys know Mike Lindell. He put everything on the line because he believed in Trump. And here's the best part. Mike Lindell put it all on the line challenging the 2020 election. Cash Patel has just put out declassified information from the FBI indicating that China was attempting to influence the 2020 election to cheat and help the Democrats by printing up fake IDs, licenses so that Chinese individuals in this country, not citizens, could apply for mail in votes and fraudulently vote. We'll see if anything else comes of that. But you guys go to mypillow.com Tim, check out all their amazing products. Use promo code Tim, shout out to Mike Lindell. We do appreciate you sponsoring the show. And of course, cast brew.com we got all the good coffee. We got two weeks till Christmas gingerbread. We got Appalachian Nights rise with Roberto Jr. We even got coffee pods. Amazing. Check it out. Drink the coffee, support the show and don't forget to also smash that like button. Share the show with everyone you know. Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Stacey Washington.

[Stacey Washington]

Hey, Tim, who are you?

[Tim Pool]

What do you do?

[Stacey Washington]

Stacey Washington, I have Stacey on the right on SiriusXM. I also host Stacey Washington now on Salem News Channel. I'm an Air Force veteran, fourth generation to serve in the military. My family, I'm a gun nut. I shot marksman on active duty. I like riding horses, reading books and talking about politics. But when I'm not working, I'm married. We have three kids and they're all young adults. And so, yeah, I'm a rabidly, righteously American loving patriot. But I also, I like everybody. So if Democrats still want to be my friend after all that, come on in.

[Tim Pool]

All right. Well, it'll be great to hear about your experience and your thoughts on what's going on in Iran with all that. So it should be fun. Thanks for joining us.

[Stacey Washington]

Yeah, thank you.

[Tim Pool]

Ian's here wearing weird clothes.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, thanks. I've been doing a lot of research on Iran, the history of Iran. You know, Iran didn't exist until 1905 and it's heavily influenced by the British throughout the course of this country's lifetime. I'd like to see Persia, the rise of the Persian republic come to fruition one way or another anyway. But let's get to it. Phil labonte, hello, everybody.

[Phil Labonte]

My name is Phil labonte. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band all that Remains. I'm an anti communist and a counter revolutionary. Let's get into it.

[Tim Pool]

Let's start with this from Truth Out. Now. I'm going to Tell you guys right away Truth out and New Republic. I got these two pulled up first. These are leftist publications. Keep that in mind. We're just going to walk through where we're currently at with this claim that Trump's best or only option in destroying Fordo is a nuclear weapon. Truth that reports US reportedly assesses only a nuclear bomb could destroy Iran nuclear facility One expert has warned that attacks on nuclear facilities should never take place because of radioactive fallout. We have this from the New Republic. Trump White House considers dropping nukes on Iran Fox News reports that Donald Trump may consider using nuclear weapons to eliminate eliminate Iran's Fordo nuclear facility. We have this from the Daily Mail Exclusive Pentagon insider reveals why Trump's best option is to use a tactical nuclear weapon to obliterate Iran's deadly labs, saying only a tactical nuclear warhead would be certain to destroy Iran's key uranium enrichment base hidden inside a mountain. A military official has told the Daily Mail it comes amid doubts that the 30,000 pound bunker buster bombs would be enough to destroy the secretive facility at Fordo, 60 miles south of Tehran. Tactical nukes are meant for battlefield use and do not carry the same devastating payloads as strategic nukes which are used to topple cities. In this case, the warhead selected could be sized for the Fordo site. Though no tactical nuclear weapon has ever been used in combat before, Israeli officials have urged American forces to deploy multiple GBU 57 bunker busters to cripple Fordo, a plant being used to enrich uranium hundreds of feet underground. The depth shields the lab from airstrikes. We then have this Newsweek is Donald Trump considering tactical nukes against Iran? What we know they say the administration has not taken anything off the table including the use of tactical nuclear weapons if it decides to take military action against the underground Iranian Iranian facility Fordo, Fox News reported, citing a White House official. We then have this from Mediaite. White House denies Trump ruled out using a tactical nuke on Iran and the root of this is the guardian Trump caution on Iran strike linked to doubts over bunker buster bomb Officials say there are several things to consider that's now coming out. Donald Trump reportedly asked can these bunker busters even take out this facility? And the answer is maybe not. The reason these things are designed to penetrate 200ft Fordo has been is is threatened 300ft, which would mean they would need multiple successive strikes in the exact same spot. That means one bunker buster goes in, detonates and then in the crater they need to send another one. The other issue Iran has built the facility specifically underground because of the bunker busters, meaning it's also spread out. So a single successive strike of multiple bunker busters may not even stop this. And I believe Jack Posobie said on Bannon's war room, it may actually slow them down, down a year or two, and doesn't solve the problem that Trump and others in the US are purporting, is there. Now, there's a question in debate as to whether or not one, they're actually going to make a nuke. Tulsi Gabbard says they've got the materials, they are enriching it above what we. What they would need for power, but they don't believe they're working towards a nuke. That was March, if that is the case, that the US's position is they cannot have the ability to. To enrich uranium at those levels for whatever reason, be it they build a nuclear bomb and launch it or they give fissile material to a bunch of rebel lunatics. It stands to reason, based on the reporting, at least what they want the public to think is that the only way they can do it is with a nuclear strike. Now, why would they do that? My opinion, Big ask, you run out of the press headline after headline after headline saying Trump, his only option is a nuke and they're not ruling it out. Then when they say, guys, I have an idea. What if we just send people on the ground into Iran and we don't have to use a nuclear weapon? Then people are gonna go, whoa, yes, a boots on the ground invasion is the preferable choice.

[Stacey Washington]

I wouldn't say that.

[Tim Pool]

You think a nuke is better?

[Stacey Washington]

No, I don't think either of those options work for me.

[Tim Pool]

And this is the big ask. It's tell people we have to do a nuke and then say we could do an invasion. You pick. And everyone, of course, is gonna choose invasion.

[Stacey Washington]

I don't see Maga Bass choosing an invasion. So, no, no attempt with the, with the bunker buster. No, don't drop a mop. Don't even try it. I understand what you're saying about the precision needed. It reminds me of the blockbuster with Tom Cruise, the second Top Gun. It was like an unbelievable movie about them hitting a target twice. They had to hit it two times and come up out of that curve, not get hit by the sams. It was impossible and only one guy could do it. And it was Top Gun, and that was a run and it was Iran.

[Tim Pool]

So Top Gun Maverick.

[Stacey Washington]

Right, Right.

[Tim Pool]

They were calling it the Enemy in the movie, but it was very obviously Iran.

[Stacey Washington]

Obviously crazy. Yeah. And it was an underground facility and it had a tiny little hole that they had to hit and it was like an impossible task. And of course, Tom Cruise was able.

[Tim Pool]

To do it like Star Wars.

[Stacey Washington]

It was exciting. Oh, my gosh. It was exactly like Star. Oh, don't get me started. Okay, so I'm just saying I would not buy that. Now, I understand the subterfuge you're talking about and selling it. And Trump is good at that. That. That's one of his main things, is he can sell people on things they don't want. He's a deal maker. But we're talking about Americans who literally, I remember giving speeches in D.C. about the never ending wars in the Middle east, how much money we spent, how much treasure and how Trump is not that guy. He doesn't believe in starting wars. He doesn't believe in entering issues or situations, foreign policy wise, that we don't have a tactical and strategic objective that we can meet or succeed and win and get out. But I just, I can't see them doing that. I can't see them doing either of those scenarios without dropping the mop first.

[Tim Pool]

You want to read that headline?

[Stacey Washington]

Bannon MAGA will get on board if Trump decides. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So he's a tactical overlord with language. Right. He is an unbelievable historian. But I'm not with him on that. And I'm as big as it gets on maga. I've been to Mar A Lago six times. I've met President Trump numerous times. I have my picture with him numerous times. I believe in the guy. I don't believe in that. I don't want boots on the ground. I don't want it.

[Phil Labonte]

So I get what you're saying. Is it your sense that MAGA would forgive Donald Trump, would forgive the GOP by the time the midterms roll around if they took some kind of action now, because it's my opinion that the only thing that can happen that will prevent the Republicans from having at least a good showing and can really derail the President Trump's agenda is a bad economy.

[Stacey Washington]

And I think if they don't pass the big beautiful bill that it, that's major do if you want to have a good midterm result, because going into the midterms with no accomplishments, no achievable legislation that was actually passed, it's a do nothing Congress, again, a president who can't control them, you have to pass the bbb. But on this, so Two scenarios. The first one, he sells everybody on that. We sit here and hold our breath. He goes in, he's successful, Fordo is eliminated, and we're out. That is a pristine situation that is so improbable. It defies all of the logic that we've seen in every other war we've engaged in. But if that were to happen, that would have. No, midterm is a piece of cake.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, that would have no effect on him.

[Stacey Washington]

Yeah. More likely we put boots on the ground. The tactical nuke is an obvious easy, easy go. He just has to get the buy in for that and hope that nobody else wants to get involved. But if we go in with boots on the ground, we're there. We might as well open up a military base, send over one of those big cornerstones they put in the. In the ground. Every time we build something overseas, we're there forever. It's. We just got done with that. That was the disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan. Americans are exhausted by that.

[Tim Pool]

Israel had reportedly stated that if the US doesn't want to get involved, they'll use commandos. But the idea. So we have the map here. Here's Tehran. I pull this up quite a bit. Here's calm. I think I say pronounce it. I'm probably pronouncing it wrong, but just south if Google Earth ever decides to. Yeah, it's 60 miles south. It's. It's right over here. Fordo. You can see it.

[Phil Labonte]

Fordo.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, so look where my mouse is. You want to get there with human beings. That's dead center in Iran. There's no way human beings are getting in there. Getting in that facility and taking it out. You're going to need ordinance. They're going have to carry that deep underground with a massive facility which has what, like a thousand? How many, how many personnel are down there?

[Ian Crossland]

Thousands that we know of. Who knows.

[Tim Pool]

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[Stacey Washington]

They control the airspace over Iran. They drop in the 101st Airborne, 82nd Airborne.

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[e-mail] terms and then they take control of the area.

[Tim Pool]

Getting out.

[Stacey Washington]

I mean obviously you have to control the whole thing in order to get out. Literally said they couldn't get in. They can get in is a problem.

[Phil Labonte]

You drive out through Iraq, literally, you drive, you drive to Baghdad and all.

[Tim Pool]

You drive gets from central Iran.

[Phil Labonte]

We drive out. You're driving, you're driving.

[Stacey Washington]

And they have to get to high ground.

[Phil Labonte]

You're driving.

[Tim Pool]

What are you driving? You're stealing.

[Phil Labonte]

No, no, no, no, no, no. You know that wouldn't be just a commando raid. Like she said. They have no air cover. They have no air.

[Tim Pool]

Which means you're going to land planes. So you find an airfield.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, big, big army.

[Tim Pool]

One of them.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I'm talking about big army stuff.

[Tim Pool]

I'm. I'm fairly certain that if you started landing planes, even with control the skies, you are going to be surrounded by hails of gunfire.

[Phil Labonte]

Absolutely will be.

[Tim Pool]

So I don't see that as a reality to get humans on the ground unless you act. This is insane. You're gonna have to. Tehran is 10 million people. I don't see a reality.

[Stacey Washington]

So when they're largely on the move evacuating out, but we already have I think 18 patriot battalions they moved over that were elsewhere that they've moved into the Middle East. That was about a month ago, but Sorry, I mean 600 people each spot plus all munitions and associated material.

[Tim Pool]

I'm just saying in terms of the population density of the area, we're talking driving distance to 10 million people in a metro. Now obviously most of these people are not going to be engaging in combat, but it takes only a tiny percentage of 10 million to completely overrun anything you land in the region. So, you know, we often talk about why guns are so important in this country and the liberals don't get it. You know, Joe Biden's like, you want to go up against the US you're in need F16s. And it's like, right, because an F16 can occupy a street corner. Can't happen.

[Stacey Washington]

No, it can't.

[Tim Pool]

This is why anybody who's played Starcraft or Warcraft or Command and Conquer knows one of the best strategies. What are they called? Zerging. Yeah, you mass produce tons of little dudes you don't worry about. So in these strategy games you can build up your bases, build high tech weapons, and then some dude just says, give me 50 billion little 11 soldiers and just send them all in and you win.

[Ian Crossland]

And you also, in the more advanced strategies, they'll, they'll make a mass of one one tiny crap that they'll send out to distract the artillery. And then you send the big guns in behind those little guys.

[Tim Pool]

Zerging.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, behind the Zerg, you send the big guns.

[Tim Pool]

My point, and I think Zerg is a reference to the smallest military unit in Starcraft.

[Ian Crossland]

It was a, it's a, it's a race in Starcraft, the Zerg. It's this insectoid race that impregnates and takes over planets and humans. You know the Zerg?

[Stacey Washington]

Well, I don't play that game. I actually, I'm in the last century. I play Age of Empires. But I'm, I'm, I'm just going to say I've been to the Middle east and I actually, I agree with you about the topography, but the issue isn't that we have 40,000 troops there already. At max we've ever had, there is 500,000. But that was at the height of the, the conflict. We don't have a problem mustering people, getting them into location. We don't have a problem managing other, other groups. Air control is what that's called. F16s buzzing the ground, sonic, you know, hitting the sonic boom, knocking the windows out of everything. People will not stand against that. They will disperse whoever's left because you only have to do that once and people are scattering. So it's not about that. It's about the will. Do we want to go in? Do we want air control? How many jets do we want? USS Nimitz is steaming there right now. They're gonna be close in a couple of days. They're gonna be in theater. There's a lot of buildup.

[Tim Pool]

So. So, but let's. Let's try this. How many jets would you need for. What is it called when it gets close to the ground and does a sonic boom?

[Stacey Washington]

They just. They're buzzing the ground. Buzzing the ground, basically clearing the area so that troops can move.

[Tim Pool]

How many. How many of those jets do we have and how long can they operate?

[Stacey Washington]

We have four air forces. We have over 14,000 aircraft, but we're.

[Tim Pool]

Not going to send 14,000 fighter jets.

[Stacey Washington]

We don't have to. Once the USS Nimitz gets there, we'll have plenty. We'll have plenty in the area.

[Phil Labonte]

Two strike groups. That's a lot of air.

[Stacey Washington]

But that's just what's on the water, Tim. We have air bases there. That's the 40.

[Tim Pool]

I just am still not convinced that dense central Iran, densely populated, will be so like that. You're going to deal with single individuals with bombs and guns?

[Ian Crossland]

No, you need to invoke a revolution among Iranian people.

[Tim Pool]

We're just talking about Afghanistan and the Taliban. I mean, we had all this. We were there for 20 years, and we still weren't able to stop a bunch of goat herders in caves with guns.

[Stacey Washington]

But they had tunnels and they had time on their hands.

[Tim Pool]

But these are major metro cities, highways, and there's weapons and infrastructure there already. So, I mean, we're not talking about going to cave guys with tunnels and, you know, respect that. That is powerful defense. We're talking about a developed mountainous nation where we are taught we would have to land vehicles to send troops in to go into one site 60 miles south of Tehran, which I imagine is heavily fortified.

[Ian Crossland]

And like the per. What's the purpose here? If we blew up the nuclear program, then what? In three years they have another one? Like, it's obviously regime change they want. They want the.

[Stacey Washington]

But that. That's what Netanyahu said on TV last week. So I agree with you that the boots on the ground scenario is the worst one for us. It's the worst. It's the one the American people support the least. And I'm not talking about just Maga people. Overall, 65% of Americans do not want war, so. And then the rest of them, I don't know if they're crazy nut jobs or, you Know, how do we even get that big of a percentage? But I think so. President Trump has always been a flood the zone guy. He's always been like that. So that's what this feels like. He puts a lot of military equipment out front. He puts it in the face of the Iranians. They're still reeling. They lost 19 of their people over the past week. Leadership people. They're afraid. They're worried about traveling. They want to. They want to decamp from Iran. They can't because they're afraid they're going to get killed. They're now making some tacit promises that they won't kill this one, they won't kill that one. I think they're going to kill whoever they can. They've been very, very effective the, the Israelis so far. But I can't see a scenario where we go in with tactical newts and especially boots on the ground where we haven't tried the bunker buster.

[Ian Crossland]

The thing about the bombs and Posobic mentioned this when he was talking to Steve Bannon, is that you don't know if it succeeded after the chaos and explosions. Even if you bunker busted it and nuked it, you still wouldn't be able.

[Stacey Washington]

To confirm that to the Israelis. Like, I hate, the way it sounds to me is we're just talking about taking this whole thing over and it's going to be America and Iran. The Israelis picked this fight. They started it. I support Israel, I'm not against them. But let them go in and continue what they've gotten started. You can we bunker bust? And then, you know, back to you.

[Ian Crossland]

You can kind of argue that the British and the Americans started it with overthrowing their democratic. In 1955, they overthrew the Mohammed Mossadegh, they overthrew their prime minister and they installed.

[Phil Labonte]

But you can't argue that now, what, 50 years later, six years later?

[Ian Crossland]

The reason the rise of the Islamic Republic occurred is because they have this autocratic king in control of their country that was shoved in there by the British and the Americans in 1955. Operation Ajax it was called. They were tired of the democratically elected prime minister of Iran nationalizing their oil and auditing the Anglo, you know, Iranian oil company and trying to make a legitimate country for his people. They wanted control of the country, and they got it until 1979. And then the shot, you know, what's his name, Rudola Khomeini comes along and he's like, fuck the monarchy. He had no solution. He just knew what the problem was. So he screamed about the problem. They put him in charge, and then he created. He lied to them. He told him, I'm gonna make you a republic. And then he turned into an autocratic theocracy.

[Tim Pool]

So that's as revolutions tend to go, you know.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, it's so similar to the. To the Russian Soviet Revolution. You get this. This Lenin guy comes in just like the ayatollah comes in. Ten years later, he's dead. And the new guy. Now we got Ali Khomeini, who's a real psych, who's like, this is Stalin. Of. He dispensed, dispersed parliament in 1990, went full autocracy.

[Tim Pool]

That's what Homer was talking about. Huh?

[Ian Crossland]

Who was talking about it?

[Tim Pool]

Homer.

[Ian Crossland]

Homer Simpson.

[Stacey Washington]

About.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, he's talking about all the ayatollahs.

[Tim Pool]

Before, because he's talking about Khomeini.

[Ian Crossland]

He was definitely talking about Rudol Khomeini, the first one.

[Tim Pool]

He was like, so let me. Which is interesting, because Khomeini is the current one. Here you go, everybody. Just. Just some context from the 90s.

[Ian Crossland]

That's riddle.

[Tim Pool]

Can we get rid of this Ayatollah T shirt? Khomeini died years ago. But, Marge, it works on any Ayatollah. Ayatollah Nakbuda, Ayatollah Zahedi.

[Ian Crossland]

Even as we speak, Ayatollah Rasmara and.

[Tim Pool]

His cadre of fanatics are consolidating their power. I don't care who's consolidating their power. I agree. I don't care who's consolidating their power. Why are we involved?

[Ian Crossland]

He got in, and the ayatoll, you know, he was. Whatever. I don't know. In 10 years, he didn't destroy parliament. It was the next guy that came in. This. This theocratic regime that took over after the ayatollah died, after Khomeini died. So I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

So. So real quick. And I mean, it's. Honestly, why should I care?

[Ian Crossland]

Because when a psychotic regime gets in power, they can decimate everything.

[Tim Pool]

What does that mean?

[Ian Crossland]

Hitler. Like the. If. If. Okay, the argument here is if in 1938, the French, who had the biggest and most powerful military on earth and the best tanks on earth, had invaded Germany with the British, they would have stomped the Germans. Hitler. They would have taken Hitler out of power. The French attacked Germany in 1938 because Germany was still fledgling. They had a big military, but it was either east or in the West. The French were ready to rock. They just didn't anticipate the Sneak attack.

[Tim Pool]

So if there was the Maginot Line and they thought they was gonna be penetrated, and then Hitler just went around it, and they were like, ah, crap.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. And they had tanks. They had amazing, big, beautiful tanks. But they would keep the tanks with their infantry. That was the modern war tactic of the day, is your tanks support your infantry. They move at infantry speed, so very slow. But the Germans made divisions of tanks, so they were super quick. They could get behind your lines. If the British and the French had stomped Hitler before that and taken them out of power, this ridiculously unfounded Nazi regime that was just killing to get power, if they'd taken out.

[Tim Pool]

Taken him out, they would have stopped it sooner.

[Ian Crossland]

And we may not have seen World War II.

[Tim Pool]

They were still.

[Ian Crossland]

We may not have seen a world. It might have been a worse world war. You never know.

[Tim Pool]

You make an interesting point. Maybe we should send boots on the ground into Iran to Prevent World War 3.

[Ian Crossland]

This is what this is.

[Tim Pool]

Your argument is.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, this is what the Israeli government and Benjamin Netanyahu saying for, like, 20 years, and I've just thought of him as a raving madman.

[Tim Pool]

But now, just real quick, you know, you take one look at Ian and you see this, like, long hair and this weird jacket, and you're like, this guy's gonna be a hippie. And he's like, we have to invade Iran.

[Phil Labonte]

Hitler earlier, you made a remark, and I was just like, man, you just sound like a CIA.

[Ian Crossland]

Interesting. Well, this is the. This is the mindset of the people that want to topple the Iranian regime is there. They see it as, like, a potential Nazi regime. About.

[Phil Labonte]

You were. When you were like, we need to. We need to start a revolution over there. I'm like, that's what the CIA does.

[Ian Crossland]

I want to see, like, the Iranians.

[Stacey Washington]

Have their s. By.

[Ian Crossland]

When Iranians should have their republic. It's. They're supposed to be a. It's called the Iranian Republic, and it's a theocratic autocracy.

[Tim Pool]

Ian has also in the past called for spreading American constitutional democracy to other countries. What if it just turned out he was CIA the whole time and it's all an act?

[Ian Crossland]

I think I like the culture victory, like, or the scientific. If you can convince people to rise up and create their own democracies, that's the way to go?

[Stacey Washington]

People aren't really ready for that. Okay, so this. This is like the. The star. Star Trek where they had the Prime Directive. You can't go in and drop technology on a. You know, primitive people. They did anyway they did, but, I mean, they did have the Prime Directive. They at least thought they wanted to do what was right. This is the problem with all of our nation building tendencies, which have really come to not is we find people who are way behind us technologically, and then we try to turn them into what democrats call a democracy, but we're actually a republic.

[Ian Crossland]

And this.

[Stacey Washington]

So we, this is getting 20s right now.

[Ian Crossland]

That's what I'm talking about. And they did that with the Shah, with the. In 1955, after the, the. The coup. And they, they. They modernized Iran through American and British ideals. But the Shah, the king didn't set up a republic. He should have turned his country into a legitimized republic and then stepped down. Instead, he just held onto power as an autocrat and hasn't properly formed their administration.

[Tim Pool]

I have a. I have an idea. What if we don't?

[Ian Crossland]

Then they may get a nuclear missile and they may use it.

[Tim Pool]

Or maybe.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't know. I'm thinking about this.

[Stacey Washington]

I don't know how far they go. Because one thing we can count on is that the Israelis have Mossad, and they have been going in and methodically picking off their nuclear scientists. Every few years, they go in and they kill basically everybody who's working on the program. And this time they took out. Now it's 50% of their ballistic missile capability. They don't have a lot of extra money left over because Trump almost ran them into bankruptcy in his first term. And four years of Biden selling oil in the open market, I think.

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[Stacey Washington]

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[Stacey Washington]

I feel like I have to give you something in return for karma.

[Tim Pool]

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[Stacey Washington]

I don't really have much in my purse.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, let's see.

[Stacey Washington]

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[Tim Pool]

It's lavender. I'm good. Seriously?

[Stacey Washington]

Hmm. Let me check this pocket. Oh, mints.

[Tim Pool]

Really, I'm fine.

[Stacey Washington]

Oh, I have raisins.

[Tim Pool]

I'm a mom. Wait, wait one sec. I've got cupcakes in the car.

[Ian Crossland]

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[Stacey Washington]

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[Stacey Washington]

Anonymous they made 75 billion. But now we're back to like, how many ballistic missiles do they have left? If they had any left, they wouldn't be allowing the Israeli Air Force to control their airspace. So I'm with you on wanting to prevent them from having a nuke. The question is, how do we get it done and how do we not look like our previous selves, where we have failed epically at building nations and regime change? We don't do that.

[Tim Pool]

I don't think the nuke is the issue, and I think even, even Trump and the US don't think it is either. I think when you take a look at what Tulsi Gabbard said, that they are enriching uranium higher than what would be expected for, for civilian energy use. But we do not believe they're pursuing a bomb. Well, then what's the conclusion?

[Stacey Washington]

They want to.

[Tim Pool]

They're making dirty bombs.

[Stacey Washington]

Dirty bombs. Send it out to the rest of it.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly.

[Stacey Washington]

But that's not unusual, thought Tim, because a lot of regular Americans, I have people calling me last or night before last on the show asking exactly that question. What are they doing with that nuclear material? Look what they did on October 7th. They're the sponsors of October 7th. Massacre on Israel. They want to do the same to the United States. Hamas promised to do it again and again and again until Israel was destroyed. So the question is, how do we prevent that? Well, the easy answer is bunker busters or a nuclear weapon or. I don't think hated. I hate this idea of boots on the ground. I'm so sick of hearing the words boots on the ground because those are all people. And I have a special interest in it because I was on active duty in the Air Force during the Khobar Tower bombing. I went in the January rotation because my husband, who was my boyfriend at the time, was like, you don't want to go in the summer, you're scheduled to go in the summer. There's an opening in the January rotation. Take that. So I went, got my stuff out of the way. I was there 94 days, C130. Back home, I'm on the beach when the Kobar Towers are bombed. And the guy who lived across the hall from me, who had just transferred in three days before I left, he was the one who took my spot and he died with the 18 others.

[Tim Pool]

To clarify, I'm saying riding the C130 sounds fun.

[Stacey Washington]

It was not. The other part, well, yeah, that was fun. And we had, you know, mo bags and it was kitted out for military use, not, not civilian. It was awesome. But I sometimes I feel like my old self where I used to be, just to turn it to a sheet of. Sheet of glass kind of a person. I felt like there was no engagement that we shouldn't get involved in. I was on active duty back then. Now I'm a mom of three young adults. I don't want my kids drafted into a war over there.

[Tim Pool]

Honest question, what if we, and I mean this seriously, what if we dropped something like 100,000 machine gun mounted robot dogs?

[Ian Crossland]

They probably get used against us.

[Tim Pool]

I don't like if they're encrypted and they're like automatic. I don't think they're going to be able to break into them in any meaningful amount of time. And so what I mean is we.

[Stacey Washington]

Robot dogs to go to the forto.

[Ian Crossland]

To start securing areas, we need divisions of robot dogs.

[Tim Pool]

We. Have you seen the videos of the robot dogs with guns mounted on them? They could be easily dropped. The cost is ridiculously minimal. I mean, these things are thousands of dollars. So it could be. It is technically expensive, but I mean, for the US Military, not that much money to strap an AI little dog with a gun that can fire. This is. We're talking about drone use. And if we control the skies, you unload a bunch of these things, they'll take over a whole area and it's going to be. And then what if you Want to get people in there.

[Stacey Washington]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

Commandos. Not.

[Stacey Washington]

What if.

[Tim Pool]

What if Israel sent in commandos and we just dumped 50,000 robot dogs?

[Stacey Washington]

Okay, I'm there.

[Ian Crossland]

They can also blow up supply lines. The robot.

[Tim Pool]

They can kamikaze. Yep.

[Ian Crossland]

We do need divisions of drones. This is what the Germans figured out as divisions of tanks. In the beginning they were just using the tanks to support the infantry. Like I was saying, people will be using their drones to support their ground campaign. But we need autonomous.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know about autonomous terminators.

[Ian Crossland]

Semi autonomous divisions of terminator drones. We need those because they're like getting skull faces.

[Stacey Washington]

Well, the Israelis already used drones during this. This current.

[Tim Pool]

Flying ones.

[Stacey Washington]

Yeah, they had flying drones in there and they were doing really well with them. They set up drone base beforehand. They actually snuck in.

[Tim Pool]

I'm curious about one where. So a lot of people think that we're to the point where humanoid autonomous machines will be running in. I don't think so. There's no reason to make. Humanoids are good for moving dishes to your dishwasher or taking groceries in the car. If you're talking about war. Quadrupedal gun mounted thing with. And it's got the arm on top that can manipulate stuff that's going to secure a location better than a humanoid. They're harder to hit and they're faster. Yeah. And they can, they can move over rocky terrain.

[Stacey Washington]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

I wouldn't be surprised if we see that. If this, if this does go people, it's going to get weird. They've got these robots. Sorry, real quick. Some of these robot dogs we've shown, not only do they have the legs, but there's wheels and they're. So they're. They're rubber and they can walk, but then the wheels can spin and they can drive. So it can run over the rocks, get on the ground and go and then shoot for.

[Ian Crossland]

Can they fly yet? Are there like ground ones that can.

[Tim Pool]

I'd be willing to bet they. They have those. I'd be willing to bet.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. So my. I think the most likely situation of a British American Israeli victory, if you want to look at that from this. The war technique is that they depose the Iranian government and then they impose the Shah's son. They call him the prince in exile. And then they have another monarchy which I think is a fucking fail. You don't want another line. There would be probably. But the last Civil War was 90.

[Tim Pool]

Million people in this region. And it is, it is not like it is a singular ethnic group with singular religious group.

[Ian Crossland]

But what will cause a horrific civil war is if we, if we colonize or we establish drone, like if we set up military.

[Tim Pool]

I agree.

[Ian Crossland]

That would be the worst civil war in Iran.

[Tim Pool]

I think, I think the ideal scenario actually for the US and for us as partners is that the current regime stays in power but is deferential to the demands of the West. The argument being that if we were to remove this regime, you would end up with ISIS style insurgency all over the country. You can't control.

[Ian Crossland]

The clergy. They call it the clergy. They used to have ceremonial power amongst the Shah. The shah kind of relegated them to secondary. They weren't super powerful. Then they were and then they weren't. And then of course now they are in charge. But we could relegate, we. They could be relegated back to a position of just religious authority, extricating that from the way those people think. I don't know enough Iranians.

[Stacey Washington]

They only think about killing the West. The little Satan and the big Satan.

[Tim Pool]

Let's real quick jump to the story, advance the narrative here from the Daily Mail. Trump warns Iran could launch nuclear war in weeks as it's pummeled with Israeli bombs and city is struck by 5.1 earthquake. Now you know why that earthquake things actually really scary.

[Ian Crossland]

Man made.

[Tim Pool]

Who knows. The argument being was it an earthquake or was it. Or was it a bunker buster or were they testing a nuclear weapon or.

[Ian Crossland]

Like deep underground denial weapons like vibration tech? They might have been.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know about that.

[Ian Crossland]

Maybe Nikola Tesla set off an earthquake in lower Manhattan.

[Tim Pool]

A lot of, a lot of the speculation is immediately like did China bring in the components to finish the nuclear weapon and did they just test a detonation underground or is it a coincidence that a 5.1 earthquake just hit Iran? I think and that's very close to Fordo.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. There are frequently seismic activity in the area.

[Stacey Washington]

They have earthquakes there. Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

I think volcanic and seismic activity are related to terrestrial explosion explosives too. You can induce like.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, yeah. I mean the question is whether or not it was natural or whether it was an underground nuke or you know that if they're testing one, you know.

[Ian Crossland]

If they're like, oh, it tested it.

[Phil Labonte]

Let's put it together and see if we can make one work.

[Ian Crossland]

Because normally you take.

[Tim Pool]

It was in. I think they said it was in SORC.

[Stacey Washington]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

How close to Tehran is that?

[Tim Pool]

It's 23. Let me, let me actually check. Let me see if I can pull it up. Oh, let's see.

[Ian Crossland]

They are testing what they got.

[Tim Pool]

It is Actually rather far away from Tehran.

[Ian Crossland]

So they would test it far away from Tehran if they're going to test it. This is something.

[Tim Pool]

Scott Horton is kind of in the middle of nowhere.

[Ian Crossland]

Scott Horton was talking about the differentials of the nuclear fissile material. You got your plutonium and then you got uranium, the enriched uranium. Bombs. Well, they make bombs, they don't make missiles because it's so heavy. You need a big, big bomb. That's what they dropped in Hiroshima. Then the, the plutonium stuff you can put on the end of a missile, it's a lot lighter. But the Iranians don't have access to that stuff. They can't. They don't have the plutonium enrichment capabilities. They have the uranium. Right, but that doesn't indicate that they're going to be able to shoot a missile with it anywhere. They'd have to load it into a big plane and it'd be very obvious.

[Stacey Washington]

They don't have the delivery system for that. Not for air based. But there are other ways of launching. You know, you can launch.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, wait, sorry, correction. It actually is rather close to Tehran. So they're saying it's south of Semnan city, not province, which is probably within 60 to 100 miles of Tehran.

[Ian Crossland]

Okay, interesting. We would take our.

[Tim Pool]

Not too far from Fordo.

[Ian Crossland]

Is it like the middle of the desert where there's not a lot of stuff?

[Tim Pool]

Yes, it is.

[Ian Crossland]

All right, well that could be a secondary target. Put it on the map, guys.

[Tim Pool]

Interesting.

[Ian Crossland]

The Defense Department wants some help. Let me know. Check this place out.

[Tim Pool]

I can actually.

[Ian Crossland]

Ground penetrating radar. Let's use this new Doppler tech that they were scanning underground the pyramids with and look for these.

[Stacey Washington]

I mean I feel like they, they already have all that data.

[Tim Pool]

183 kilometers.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, because if Trump said they weren't going to nuke, that would make me think that they were this mind game upon mind game.

[Stacey Washington]

Because he was just at the press briefing or this, he's out with reporters and they're asking him specifically, are you going to bomb? You know, are you going to bomb on behalf of the Israelis? And he said what? That's the dumbest question I've ever heard. Why would I tell you that? So talking about the nuclear. This story, you know, how often do we place stories? Our media is a part of the story. The story gets placed that the only thing that can work is a nuclear weapon. Then you're back to Tim's suggestion that they're really gonna offer us something much less, which is the boots on the ground, which I still think Big Ask.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm liking what it's called. I think there's something like genetically inhumans that love the idea of a leader of one human leading us to victory. Yeah. But Trump needs Congress's approval. Supposedly he's. Well, he's got the Patriot act, but he's supposed to say, look, we have to destroy their. Instead of being like, they just can't have it, guys. Sorry, shut up. I'm in charge. No, no, no.

[Stacey Washington]

You say they can't take action. He just has to inform Congress within 48 hours. He can put boots on the ground, but he has to within 90 days go to Congress and ask for their permission to continue funding. So he has a lot of room to do things immediately, but then afterwards he has to mop it up.

[Ian Crossland]

Is that because of the post Patriot act or is that what it was?

[Phil Labonte]

Pre Patriot Act?

[Stacey Washington]

Yeah. Like, so you always had the ability to just. He can just do a few things. 48 hours to notify Congress. Now, I don't know about the nuclear, Like, I don't know if the launching nuclear weapons falls under that.

[Ian Crossland]

Like blowing up an enemy ship maybe would be considered because it's emergency and you don't have time to appeal to Congress. That's not even really an emergency argument.

[Stacey Washington]

Department of Defense. Just. Department of Defense can do it. President Trump authorizes from the Situation Room. They inform Congress within 48 hours. He's within the rules of.

[Ian Crossland]

Of declaring. That's. That's how conflicts. Okay, all right.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, you didn't know that?

[Ian Crossland]

No, not that. Not that. No, no. I thought, like what? Like what?

[Phil Labonte]

You're commander in chief of the military. He's allowed to. He can fully direct the military to do operations.

[Tim Pool]

And when was the last time you went to the White House?

[Ian Crossland]

I don't think I've ever been.

[Tim Pool]

You've never been?

[Ian Crossland]

I've never been. I watched that in totality two days ago. I was like, I owe it to Dave Smith and Douglas. I gotta watch this.

[Tim Pool]

Here we are. Look at. Have you been to Iran?

[Stacey Washington]

No.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, well, none of us have.

[Stacey Washington]

I've been to Saudi Arabia.

[Tim Pool]

I've been. I've been falsely accused of going to a Holocaust deniers conference in Iran by the splc, which is not true.

[Stacey Washington]

Two weeks ago, someone called into an earlier program on Sirius and accused me of being an honorary member, having received honorary membership in the kkk.

[Ian Crossland]

Here's another thing about them trying to stop their bomb.

[Tim Pool]

Well, you know, the KKK's new DEI program is.

[Stacey Washington]

You Know, I mean, if they want me, they can honor me as all they like. I obviously don. Care for the kkk. But anyway, I. Tim, what I want to know is, because obviously we're sitting around here at this table discussing this. I wish if talk about going to the White House, I want to go in the Situation Room and just sit in on the discussion surrounding what they actually know about Fordo. I feel like they know so much more than we could possibly.

[Tim Pool]

This is my. This is my concern with Trump meeting with Bannon because. And he. And apparently, I don't know. I think Tucker called Trump and then apologized for saying that he went a little too far with the things he had said because Tucker had said that Trump was complicit in this war, but then also said Trump was negotiating in good faith to stop it. So I think Tucker deserves a great deal of respect in that regard. But meeting with Bannon and the talk with Tucker, my concern is Trump's basically saying to them, guys, you know me, here's why, like, Bannon worked with Trump in the White House. Bannon's like, no, no, no, we can't do this. Trump sits down with Bannon and says, here's what I can tell you. Slides a piece of paper over and be like, this is why we do what we do. And then Bannon might be like, holy crap.

[Ian Crossland]

But so, like, if. If the president, any president, were just like, I wanna fire missiles at that building in that country, they can just do it. And then they have 48 hours to go to Congress and be like, well, hold on. They can do it over and over and over and over and over again.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, no, Ian, that's not how it works. The president, if he wants to blow up a building, can just do it. And he goes to no one and then just smiles and puts on a tan suit and everyone forgets about post Patriot act reality.

[Ian Crossland]

But before that, you're supposed to. Congress is supposed to issue the war declaration.

[Tim Pool]

Let me tell you about Barack Obama's disposition matrix, where he'd be like, Americans. He'd be like, kill that guy. And then he went to no one and no one did anything about it.

[Stacey Washington]

They didn't do anything because he was first black president. You can be on the wrong side of history by disagreeing with him.

[Ian Crossland]

The reason I'm bringing this up is.

[Tim Pool]

Straight up killing people.

[Stacey Washington]

He was. And Americans at that. I mean, obviously the guy was, you know, hanging out with Al Qaeda, but he was still an American citizen the.

[Ian Crossland]

Way that Trump is.

[Tim Pool]

Well, not even his Kid, right. Abdul Raman wasn't hanging out with anybody. He was just eating Yemeni food.

[Ian Crossland]

The way that Trump is dangling the power right now of like, well, I could nuke him. Or maybe I want, like, one guy. We're supposed to have a democracy that prevents one guy from having that kind of power.

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Phil Labonte]

No. No checks. Hey, hey, listen to me. No, in the. In the.

[Ian Crossland]

Tell me why.

[Phil Labonte]

Because in the Constitution, it clearly says that the President is the commander in chief of the military. The Constitution intentionally gave the power to command the military to the President.

[Tim Pool]

It's Article two power declaration capacity. No, not declarations. But he can engage in strikes. He can move military around. And the reason why, and the reason why the founding Fathers did this is because they learned the history of committee democracy and anarchy of the past. Great examples throughout history of when committees were gathering. Like, we've been invaded. What should we do? Senate meeting, and they all run together, and then their cities are being ransomed.

[Stacey Washington]

And three weeks later, they're still meeting at the table while everything's going wrong.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Stacey Washington]

So that's why he can respond immediately, because the President is the only one who gets the highly classified briefings on a daily basis or every other day or whatever schedule he sets where he gets intel briefings on what's going on around the world. And the requests are then made by the Department of Defense or whoever that they want to move these troops or do this or that or this general wants to. Like the testimony that. I can't remember the guy's name, but he was in charge. He had been called on the carpet by a bunch of female congresswomen, and they were upset with him because he gave the order to kill 200 mercenaries that were in between our operators and their targets in Syria. And he said, yeah, I gave the order, and we eliminated them because they were mercenaries and they're affiliated with no other military. So we were not required to give any notice. We wiped them out because they were in our way. Next question. Well, he was able to do that because he's been given authorization, and that was the rules of engagement and how far he could go set by every president they'll like. President Trump authorized the dropping of the MOAB during his first term. He gave that authorization, and then he said afterwards, if you need to use it again, we don't have to go through all these hoops, just do it. So they used it one time, but it's up to the President to set the rules of engagement and what type of authorizations they need from him. But at the end of the day, he can authorize and then go back to Congress after.

[Ian Crossland]

I appreciate authorizational authority. You need it to remain agile in conflict. But if we're planning an invasion of another country, it's not an emergency. We have weeks to debate this in Congress. It's Congress's decision whether or not we're going to deploy troops or missiles on a foreign nation that has not aggressed on us.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't think that we're at a point where we're planning an invasion.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, that's what we've been talking about.

[Stacey Washington]

But wait, I'm just gonna get with you right here. We're gonna link up arms on this. Congressional authority should mean that they're already in meetings with him demanding to know when he's going to come and present his plans to Congress. But we haven't had a Congress like that since I've been an adult. So I mean they just, they've ceded everything that's their responsibility to the bureaucracy or to the executive or to Supreme Court. So they don't have to be the ones to take responsibility for it because they're up for election every two years. I don't care about that.

[Tim Pool]

My bet. So the Nimitz is supposed to arrive tomorrow.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

My bet is still that Trump's going to say we're going to secure the Strait of Hormuz. We don't want to engage in hostilities. Then for whatever reason. I'm not going to speculate as anything beyond US forces are attacked in the region by Iran or Iranian backed forces and then the US says we have no choice but to intervene.

[Ian Crossland]

They'll find a pass. Gulf of Tompkins floating in the water. Proof it was an Iranian submarine. Shout out to 9 11.

[Tim Pool]

Shout out to 9 11.

[Ian Crossland]

Check it out.

[Tim Pool]

Found his pass. I think I've heard of it. It's proof, man.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, okay, shout it out. I think, I think you might be right, Tim. The false flag potential right now and.

[Tim Pool]

Again, I'm not speculating as false flag.

[Ian Crossland]

It could even be a video of the thing getting blown up.

[Tim Pool]

So already, already we've got several tankers have been either collided or disrupted because of the communications, the jamming. There have been reports that the tankers that are going through the Strait of Hormuz are registering as being in rural Russia because of the signal jamming. It's already going on because of the war. Iran is reportedly threatening to shut the strait down. It's a power move they have because they control so much of it, which is going to piss off the Asian peninsula. I'm sorry, the Arabic peninsula. And so the US Is going to say, and this is all, this is all speculative. I'm probably wrong. Maybe it's a 7% chance happening. We are simply going to secure the access from the Persian Gulf out to the Indian Ocean so that our trade partners can keep trading their fuels and supplies. And then all of a sudden, there's an explosion on the Nimitz, there's a loss of life. Reports all across the US Saying Iran has formally attacked. And then they're going to say, this is war, and how could you disagree?

[Ian Crossland]

And it triggers a defensive pact. I'm sure somewhere being, being the one that got attacked gives all your allies a trust.

[Tim Pool]

Qatar, Saudi Arabia, they'll all say, like, this is horrible. We condemn this attack, we stand with the United States, and then you get war.

[Ian Crossland]

I got mixed feelings on the Iranian. I mean, I can't.

[Tim Pool]

I will say this. Look, considering the way things are going in Trump's first term with the Abraham Accords, I'd love it if Iran, if there was a meaningful diplomatic way that changed the culture or the government structure by which the Abraham Accords could succeed without Iranian influence interference. Yeah, absolutely. And so I think one of the things that a lot of these neocon types interventionalists are looking at is Trump hit a grand slam with the Abraham Accords, normalization of trade with Israel and other Muslim nations. Iran's the holdout. I mean, they are the major thorn in the side of these agreements. Trump wants world peace. I genuinely believe that. And you can make every argument you want. But I would say to the leftists, when they're like, Trump doesn't care about, he's an ego, then my argument to liberals is this. Trump's got such an ego. He wants a gigantic golden statue of him for all time of the man who brought about world peace. He wants that legacy. Iran stands in his way.

[Stacey Washington]

Who cares why he wants the world peace? He's gonna want it, right? All the other presidents were fine with going in here, going in there. A little interventionalism there. There's. They were fine with putting boots on the ground. Like you said, Drone King Obama, he was just droning the crap out of everybody and he didn't do anything to draw down forces in the Middle East. Trump drew forces down. He set in motion the plan to withdraw from Afghanistan, which was something that active duty service members had been asking for for over a decade. So whatever the reasoning is behind what he wants the piece, he wants it because he's like, you know, wants to take credit. Okay, great. Take credit.

[Ian Crossland]

Question at what cost?

[Tim Pool]

Someone in chat says draft. Congress also seconded Draft Kings. No draft Draft Kings.

[Ian Crossland]

Draft them all.

[Stacey Washington]

So old.

[Ian Crossland]

The battlefield.

[Stacey Washington]

Come on.

[Tim Pool]

Sure, I don't care.

[Stacey Washington]

Like, you'll have to go.

[Tim Pool]

They should have to vote for the declaration. If they vote yes, then they're on the front line.

[Ian Crossland]

Like, when I'm looking at if this was a video game, which it's not, obviously, like a game of civilization. And you've got this one country that's this radical theocracy that's like hell bent on attacking, you know, like, of course you have to. You have to remove them from the playing board if you want to win the game. Well, I gotta continue playing or they're attack you.

[Tim Pool]

I gotta tell you, I've played many a game of civilization. Here's the way I play. You ever play Civilization?

[Stacey Washington]

No.

[Tim Pool]

One of the greatest games ever. But the new one apparently was miserable.

[Ian Crossland]

I've heard that.

[Tim Pool]

But what I do is I usually just very. So the game starts, and you're like a little nomadic settler and you build a little city. I immediately produce settlers and I secure a large swath of land for my. For my country.

[Stacey Washington]

Like Age of Empires.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Stacey Washington]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

And then, and then what I do is I heavily focus on developing technology, make a strong military. And the moment anyone attacks, I flatten them.

[Ian Crossland]

Kind of like NATO.

[Tim Pool]

So I will not invade anybody. I'll mind my own business. But they always try, and there's a little dude breaks in, and then I immediately just slam their country and take it over.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, what if someone's just walking a settler through your territory that would attack the settler and take it?

[Tim Pool]

Well, if I have a border, if I have an agreement with that country to allow open borders.

[Ian Crossland]

What if it's just a country you don't have any agreements with and they.

[Stacey Washington]

The settler has to be killed, you.

[Ian Crossland]

Can take prisoner, and then I'm pretty sure.

[Tim Pool]

I'm pretty sure in civilization. I don't know if the later editions are different. You. You can't send any kind of unit into an. Into enemy borders.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, outside your border. Just. If you see him walking around in neutral territory, will you attack and take a settler? Oh, I will. No, you want to win, you need to win. That's why you're playing, is to win.

[Tim Pool]

No, my point is I will mind my own business and go for a science or cultural victory.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, those are nice.

[Tim Pool]

And if they attack me, then they get the full. The full brunt of My force. And they will regret that.

[Ian Crossland]

If only it were so easy as a video game because I'm with you. I love playing that strategy, the turtle and fire route. And you have the best tanks, the best missiles, the best aircraft. No one ever obliteration at a whim. And then you have to try it. It's fun. Unfortunately, reality has collateral damage. 4 External emotions. Video games don't have emotions. Like I think the pretty much everyone on earth is concerned with the theocracy of the Iranian government, if you want to call it that. These crazy.

[Tim Pool]

I don't think they care about the.

[Ian Crossland]

Like the Russians and the Chinese.

[Tim Pool]

I think they're looking at it like isn't, isn't this. Aren't the Saudis like Sunni Wahhabi?

[Stacey Washington]

They are, but they're very westernized. They, they, they put aside all of the kind of more problematic tenets of Islam because they really want to have a good relationship with the west, especially the United States. And they, we have our bases there. You know, they just recently a few years back allowed women to drive. I drove when I was stationed there, I drove but I had to have on military uniform and my hat on because you can't be driving there as a woman unless you're on active duty back then. Now women can drive. They're slowly modernizing in ways that we would notice, but for them it's huge steps.

[Tim Pool]

What about like race issues in Saudi.

[Stacey Washington]

Arabia when I was there, my gosh, those people were so nice. We went off base as long as. So my main concern was not the people, it was the religious police because you can't show your wrist bone, your collarbone or your ankle bone as a woman. So I had to wear jeans and long sleeve shirts. Sweatshirts had to be buttoned up to the neck because they can't see this or the religious police can beat you. They have the little.

[Tim Pool]

Even as a U.S. troop.

[Stacey Washington]

Well, they would give you a warning but you'd have to immediately leave the area. And I was told by my commander, we don't want, we don't want incidents here. So you're not going to show those things because we don't want to have to come rescue you from the police. But the big deal with the Saudis is didn't President Trump just give him a nickname? He said, this is my friend Johnny mbs. His nickname is now Johnny. I mean these people really want to be in close relationship with America.

[Phil Labonte]

They do.

[Stacey Washington]

So the idea, it's not so much that the rest of the world hates the theocracy of Iran, they hate Iran funding the Houthis, the Yemenis, the Hamas, the terror attack on Israel, they hate them funding that. And they have killed American troops. They have kidnapped our troops and our soldiers. We can attribute up to 600 of our troop deaths over the last 20 years to the Iranians directly.

[Tim Pool]

No, I want regime change in Iran. I want regime change in Russia and China. I'm just not willing to advocate U.S. intervention for those things. I think it's fair to say that we look at many of the BRICS nations and they're bad and we don't like them. But to what extent are people willing to sacrifice other people's blood and treasure to get something that they hope for.

[Stacey Washington]

When we have all this crap going on here at home? The homeless people, the encampments, the violence of the left. I saw a video earlier today that it was viral. It was on Instagram of this black guy and he's like, kind of leaned back talking about how the Democrats are morphing into.

[Tim Pool]

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[Stacey Washington]

Thanks. And here's my old phone to trade in.

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[Stacey Washington]

I feel like I have to give you something in return for karma.

[Tim Pool]

That's okay.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't really have much in my purse. Oh, let's see.

[Stacey Washington]

Hand sanitizer.

[Tim Pool]

It's lavender. I'm good. Seriously.

[Stacey Washington]

Let me check this pocket. Oh, mints.

[Tim Pool]

Really, I'm fine.

[Stacey Washington]

Oh, I have raisins.

[Tim Pool]

I'm a mom. Wait, wait one sec. I've got cupcakes in the car.

[Ian Crossland]

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[Stacey Washington]

Off early or cancel CT mobile.com America's Hamas. And I was like, wow, that's extreme. And so he goes through this list.

[Tim Pool]

Of things that I don't know if I disagree.

[Stacey Washington]

Well, I couldn't either. At the end of it, I was like, oh, I see what, I see your point. But that's a real problem we need to address. We need to address that. And there's the other issue. I wrote about this in my book. What if we took the amount of money and energy we've spent in the Middle east and instead spent that in Mexico? My gosh, we're 30 some odd percent of their GDP is remittances and American businesses in their country. They're literally the original 51st state. They're talking about taking back the territory that they lost in the Mexican War.

[Phil Labonte]

I have such a problem with that. They had it for 27 years or something like that. The US has had it for like 150 or whatever. Like, shut up.

[Stacey Washington]

We bought it for 15 million and they gave the rest up because we won the war. That's a non issue. But they talk about that. What I'm saying is, why are we allowing a narco state to operate to our south when it's so dangerous for us, losing 125,000 people to fentanyl deaths and overdoses, when we could easily stop that by manipulating China into stopping the fentanyl transport and manipulate the Mexicans by saying, look, if you don't stop this, if you don't sell up the border on your own dime, we'll shut every American plant in your company down and we'll shut them down for, oh, I don't know, 12 months because we don't need you. We have Americans who will do those jobs.

[Tim Pool]

I think Trump would not be as successful trying to play this like straightforward, normal, diplomatic approach. I think Trump's Yosemite Sam strategy, where he's firing wildly into the air and you don't know what he's going to do. And I'm half kidding, but Trump's, when he's talking about these news reports about nukes, then saying two weeks. I've, I've read some assessments and obviously people who like Trump say he's playing 5D chess all the time. But one of the assessments that I was reading was that Trump basically floats the idea intentionally that nukes are on the table without saying, yes, we're going to nuke you, but, oh, I don't know, you know, that's what they're telling me. Because he wants Iran to be concerned that Trump's a crazy enough guy to actually do it. It's never been done before. But also, waiting two weeks puts Iran in a pressure cooker where they have to sustain rocket fire on Israel without knowing whether the US Will intervene. And Iran needs to hold back some of its missiles in the event the US does launch an attack. In these next two weeks, they're going to be looking at their depleting stockpile saying, do we hold these back? Because the US Might come in. If they say yes, then they're in a weakened stance against Israel.

[Stacey Washington]

But they're already holding them back because they did, like, 175 and then 70 and then 29. They're already holding them back.

[Tim Pool]

It may be because Trump has said, yeah, which if they're holding them back, that means Israel's going to take less fire. They're gonna be able to. They may be able to replenish interceptors. And then after two weeks, Trump goes, no, we ain't doing nothing. And then Iran's been sitting on a stockpile they haven't used. So he's basically put them in a bind where they can't make a move.

[Stacey Washington]

Well, I mean, that makes sense. But again, the Yosemite Sam thing that people attribute to Trump, I love that. Because if you sit in a room, if you. If you listen to the people who sit around with Trump all the time, they tell stories about how knowledgeable he is. Like, he knows all the troops drinks and the locations of all the countries around Iran, and he can draw a map on a regular blank sheet of paper and tell you where all the troops are. And he asks questions about, why are these 500 guys right here? Well, why don't we get them out of there? Because they're right in the line of fire and we don't need them there anymore. That's the kind of commander in chief he is. So Yosemite Sam is the outer. Like, that's the presentation, but underneath, the man has a mind like a steel trap. He never forgets anything, and he has a strategy for what he's trying to get done.

[Ian Crossland]

Who are our top generals that he works with?

[Stacey Washington]

I don't know their names.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm so. That's surprised. First time in history or in American. Normally, we have, like, very famous American generals. So it's kind of strange that there aren't. Like, we had Colin Powell up until.

[Stacey Washington]

Oh, I know now he was. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah.

[Stacey Washington]

Very, very out front. I don't know I should be able to.

[Tim Pool]

I should know this off the top of my head. And I don't know why I'm.

[Stacey Washington]

Yeah, I don't know. But I do know that it was Wesley.

[Ian Crossland]

Wesley Clark.

[Stacey Washington]

What is his name? He's a legislator out of Texas, who had been sitting with President Trump, and he told that story at one of the holiday events. He was talking about, you know, sitting with President Trump and him drawing this map out and talking about troop strength. So I, My, my big deal is I just think President Trump has a plan for it, but I'm not. So people will say, oh, you're a cultist. I'm not a cultist, but I do think the man has a record of results. He drove ISIS out of business during the first term. He got the Abraham Accords, as you mentioned, and he was very strong on recruitment. And then we were down 24,000 in one year in recruiting in the army, they eliminated 12,000 positions to try to keep the numbers from being that bad. Now, we've met our recruiting goals for the US Navy. We're in month six of the year, and we've got 58,000 new seamen coming in. So Trump's. His methodology works. We're now refilling our military ranks, but we're not there yet. We. We don't need a conflict that involves boots on the ground because we are low on troop troop strengths and our military as it is. Now, according to Pete Hegseth, there's a lot of people who. Their body shape is like mine when it should have been like mine.

[Tim Pool]

When I was on, I heard that the.

[Stacey Washington]

That's not good.

[Tim Pool]

What did they say? The Navy filled its recruitment quota three months early.

[Stacey Washington]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Pete Hegseth, let's go.

[Stacey Washington]

Yeah. He's been going out, meeting with these guys and talking to them and bringing them in. It's amazing. I. I love it. But again, I would like to see if we have to do something. Let's do it. Three years from now when everything's up to snuff and the Navy is back where it needs to be. We have a lot of deficiencies.

[Tim Pool]

I think the cartels are a bigger national security threat, much higher on the list than well before Iran. And it's silly that Ukraine and Iran are such huge priorities for our government and our media apparatus when for four years, Joe Biden had a porous, open border with drug smugglers, cartels, coyotes, et cetera.

[Stacey Washington]

And the human trafficking. The human trafficking, I mean, so people don't really understand what it means when we lose 350, 000 miners who are unaccompanied minors from foreign countries, we lose 350, 000 of them. I think so far they've only found 75, 000. So they're working in chicken processing plants, and they Are sexual slaves. They're slaves in some of these leftist homes. You know, they're, they're like living there full time and working for free. They're not going to school, but they're not having a childhood. They're slaves here.

[Tim Pool]

But if we deport them, who's going to pick our crops?

[Stacey Washington]

Well, I know because Jasmine Crockett said ain't none of us doing any of that anymore. You know, we've come up.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, so I replace the slave.

[Stacey Washington]

Oh my gosh. I know. I don't know what she said.

[Tim Pool]

She was saying it's our turn now.

[Stacey Washington]

Well, it's the Mexicans and the northern triangle countries turns now.

[Tim Pool]

Did you guys see Michael Malice in that video?

[Ian Crossland]

I think so.

[Tim Pool]

Wearing the suit with the white wig and he says that he said the solution for operations there are. What did he say? There's 41 million Canadians and 40 million black Americans.

[Stacey Washington]

Well, there's 52 million black Americans, but.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, so he's wrong. But he said we enslave Canada and give each black American one Canadian slave.

[Stacey Washington]

Do you understand how I don't want that? I don't want a Canadian to be responsible for my gosh. Have you seen some of the Canadians? They have. These people are hardcore leftists. They're like our fire breathing Californians. I'd have to be crazy to take somebody like that.

[Phil Labonte]

I agree with you totally. But it is the only option that's worth worse than having the. The Canadians vote.

[Tim Pool]

But I want to hear you say that to Michael when he makes the joke because that response was perfect. I don't want a Canadian. I don't want purple haired obese.

[Stacey Washington]

Thank you. Somebody who's angry all the time and would continually call me an Uncle Tom and yell at me all day. I don't need that. My kids are really easy. That would be like having a kid like one of those rebellious kids that ends up in military camp or military school. That's horrible.

[Tim Pool]

Nobody wants a Canadian.

[Ian Crossland]

I think the reason why they've deprioritized the Mexican cartels, which I agree seem to be a big problem, is because a lot of fentanyl is coming through Canada more than has been realized. Most of it I don't even know. Maybe most is the wrong word a lot. Especially since the border's been shut down. Chinese will run the precursor to the fentanyl development into Canada. The Canadians will develop it and then they'll. Sometimes it goes back and forth between Canada and China and then across the porous border.

[Stacey Washington]

So Canada becomes a territory Let me float my ideas. Here are all my good ideas. Canada is a territory because we can't give them two senators. And we certainly couldn't give them, you know, the number of congressmen they would get because they're actually. Their population's bigger than California. They have more.

[Tim Pool]

50 or 60.

[Stacey Washington]

They would get a lot. So we don't want that. So they're a territory that they have no votes. They're just now on the dole. But we own them. So it's a good thing. We could do some more military installations up there because, you know, we'll just basically go up top. And then with Greenland, we take that over because we have the money to buy them out. They have a deficit every year of 650 million. We just fill that up because that's nothing. That's not even a rounding error for us. A rounding error for us. Six billion. So we give them $650 million a year. We own that. A few more military bases, some tourism ship. Ship some regular Americans up there. And then Mexico. We basically eliminate the drug cartels and Claudia Sheinbaum becomes a governor. And that's a whole state. Mexico. But we divide it basically some kind of division that they get senators. Mexico has, I think so it's big.

[Ian Crossland]

Mexico's. It's the United Mexican states. There's like 40 states in Mexico. So we. I mean, I think the United States of America is Mexico. Mexican America. And it's all Northern America. We're all Americans. We're all United States.

[Phil Labonte]

Totally wrong.

[Tim Pool]

First thing we know.

[Phil Labonte]

I just want to say.

[Stacey Washington]

Okay, all right. Come on.

[Tim Pool]

When we. When we occupy Canada, we force them to mass produce poutine to deliver to the lower 50 states that we can enjoy. And. And. And we seize their strategic maple syrup reserve.

[Phil Labonte]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

That's a real thing.

[Ian Crossland]

Sounds delicious. But I don't think we can invade Canada.

[Stacey Washington]

Have enough maple syrup of our own.

[Ian Crossland]

I will say we can about enough.

[Tim Pool]

It's about owning that we want. There's. It's that you always need more.

[Ian Crossland]

The problem with. With. With joking about invading Canada is it's like beating your little brother. And he'll grow up to destroy you. So you gotta take them seriously. Don't with the Canadians. They're our best friends in the world, bro. As someone from another country, they're the most like us of anyone else.

[Tim Pool]

For agricultural reasons. There's no way that Canada grows up.

[Ian Crossland]

To crush the United would just side with China. China will be like, we will give you full autonomy to be your own independent state. And we will fund your military. That would be them beating us back if it came to that.

[Stacey Washington]

Don't really have a military anymore.

[Ian Crossland]

So they Would they appeal to us or to the Chinese.

[Stacey Washington]

Sorry. We are their military. We are their big fat. What is that guy? Tosh? He has a joke about it. He says America is the big fat, like hog belt of security or something like that for the Canadians. He basically says he's not. He's. They don't have to worry about anything because America is here and so therefore they are safe in perpetuity.

[Ian Crossland]

They got scared during their last election because all this rhetoric about we're going to conquer Canada, it's like, haha, kind of funny, but they were terrified. A lot of terrified people that voted black.

[Stacey Washington]

And you know, you told me the reason why they don't want to be a part of the United States because we have a history of slavery and they do not. And I was like, like, you know, everybody's got something.

[Ian Crossland]

Who said what? Who said that?

[Stacey Washington]

That was Conrad Black. He came on my show and talked about how the Canadians don't have a history of slavery. The sordid history of slavery that the Americans have. And I say, yeah, but we went to war with ourselves and we actually came out of it a single country. We've already atoned for slavery. That's in our past, so you guys could still be a part of us. And he was like, we don't want to.

[Tim Pool]

Maybe the Democrats haven't, they haven't learned their lesson.

[Stacey Washington]

They haven't atoned for anything. They're still, they're still trying to enslave everybody.

[Tim Pool]

This is why I was saying I like Juneteenth, because a lot of conservatives are saying like it's a fake hol and all that stuff. And I understand that because it's not a cultural tradition of the, of the United States. But I was like, this is a day we celebrate the Republicans victory over the Democrats.

[Stacey Washington]

Yeah. And the Democrats still keeping slaves after it was outlawed. That's why they wanted to be the ones to make it a holiday, because they want to try to own it just like every other thing that they do. They're doing something wrong to you. They want to fix it and act like they never did it and then later blame whatever they did wrong to you on the Republicans who then are sitting there with their sweater vets on going, I'm not sure if I've gotten all of the, you know, lint off of my sweater and taking the blame.

[Phil Labonte]

And they want to raise money that's it.

[Stacey Washington]

Until Trump, who then says, when you try to place blame on him, yeah, I'm not taking your blame. And then the curse words come out, and then you understand you're not.

[Tim Pool]

Well, they have a. They have a tantrum, like. So here's how I described the past 10 years. The Democrats are flinging feces on the walls and screaming, and the Republicans are going, oh, geez, Democrats. Oh, geez.

[Stacey Washington]

Let me help you clean that up.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, Trump comes in and he's like. And he whacks the kid in the back of the head. He's like, stop doing that. And then the kid starts screaming. It's like a spoiled child. It's like, no one's ever reprimanded before. So then they start saying, like, I'm gonna accuse you of beating me. I'm gonna call dcfs. And he's like, I don't care. Do it. Gets investigated, wins, comes back, and now they're crying in the corner because they're losing.

[Stacey Washington]

Yeah, and they are losing. Their polls are in the trash.

[Ian Crossland]

They were very much like, if we're all on a boat together, obsessed with who's in charge of the boat and what are the politics on the boat. Like, Trump comes in, he's like, bro, there's holes in the ship. We're going down. Let's fix this. And it's hard to hate that.

[Tim Pool]

Well, so there's holes in the ship. It's going down. And the Democrats are like, this guy's gonna stop us from stealing the fine china before we get out of here on the life rafts.

[Stacey Washington]

Well, the Democrats actually have another problem, which is the poll numbers. The 21%, 17%. Most recently. I've been enjoying this a lot. Like, you know, I think Greg Gutfeld said, when your enemy is on the ground, don't let him get back up. I like them down, but the issue that they have is they're trying to find a new identity. So the no Kings protest, did you notice? It's. You know, everybody's got on American flag gear. Everybody's waving an American flag. I mean, there were some Palestinian flags, there were some holdouts, some Mexican flags, but everybody was mostly in American flag gear. They were smiling, they were waving, they were being friendly. They didn't block the roads. And especially in St. Louis, they had four different locations.

[Phil Labonte]

Do you think that that's a phenomenon because of the age of the average person that was out there?

[Stacey Washington]

They were elderly, it's true, but there were some young ones there, and some of them brought their grandkids. But the big deal is they wanted to adopt a Tea Party esque. They even had some people with Gadsden flags out there. They're trying to adopt a Tea Party esque new attitude because they want better poll numbers and it's not going to work.

[Tim Pool]

Let's jump to the story from ABC4 man arrested in connection with deadly protest shooting and SLC ordered to be released Friday Attorneys for Arturo Gamboa, the man who was arrested following the deadly shooting at the no Kings Protestant, filed a petition claiming that he is being unlawfully detained and a judge ordered him to be released Friday. I will say it right now, free Gamboa and he's antifa and I don't care. He's a known leftist. He was wearing all black. He was in black block armed with a rifle at this protest. And you know what, I may not like the guy's ideology or whatever, but the video evidence we've seen shows him walking peacefully and legally down the street when organizers, individuals who are working with the event and green vest liberals pulled out pistols and opened fire on him for no reason and indiscriminately firing towards people and killed a random guy. And the cops arrested this dude. I think it's a cover up. They're trying to find a reason why this guy's at fault simply because he was open carrying a rifle. I say free Gamboa and it's based on the evidence I've seen so far. I could be wrong, but I'll say this based on what we know. Drop the charges until we get real evidence that he actually did something wrong. The apparently the witnesses lied and said that he raised the rifle at the crowd and that's why the peacekeepers fired at him. However, upon further review of the evidence, even CNN reported actually he was walking down the street with the rifle down and when they started shooting at him he grabbed the rifle and started running. But he wasn't waving it at people, he was just grabbing it to run away from the people shooting at him. So apparently he's going to be released on Friday. They say the SLC District Attorney's office wrote an order to release Gamboa and present it to the judge who signed it on Friday. Deputy District Attorney Joshua N. Graves told the court the state had been able to review preliminary evidence and they would not be able to make an informed decision as to Whether charges against Mr. Mr. Gamboa will be filed or declined before his scheduled date of June 23rd. I think that's the right thing. I think the organizers of the 50501 movement in Utah need to be held accountable for some reason, in some capacity that they would bring people down, refuse to work with police. This is, this, this is, this is, this is how far this goes. It's the 5501 movement. They organized the event. They had armed men working for them because they didn't want to work with cops. So that unsanctioned armed dudes who opened fire, there's gotta be some kind of civil penalty for or liability for what they did. And I believe the men who opened fire need to be held responsible for the bullets they launched and the person they killed.

[Phil Labonte]

The family of the person that died definitely has a wrongful death suit that they could, you know, they could bring.

[Tim Pool]

I think Gamboa needs to sue him too, because they shot him. He got grazed.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. I mean every, well, any gun owner that goes to any kind of like gun safety classes or anything, they know that, like you're responsible for every bullet that comes out of your gun.

[Stacey Washington]

That's right. That's why you have trigger discipline.

[Tim Pool]

Check this out, Check this out. Quote, this is, I believe, his attorney, Greg Scotts quote, all of the evidence confirms that he was lawfully and openly carry an unloaded firearm on a public road. He never brandished it, never fired it, never pointed it in the direction of anyone. He was shot in the back by a person who needlessly shot innocent. Two innocent men, killing one. The investigation will continue to be carried out by the Salt Lake City Police Department. The DA's office will continue to review as additional evidence is presented to us. The DA said if he was a.

[Stacey Washington]

Republican, he'd already be under the jail.

[Tim Pool]

So.

[Stacey Washington]

Yep, you know, he, he shot a man based on what he needs to be tried by and, and the preponderance of the evidence jury of his peers.

[Tim Pool]

Could you imagine if a Trump supporter pulled a weapon out and shot and killed an antifa guy at a protest like this? The headlines the left would run, New York Times would say, MAGA gets dark, murders innocent left wing activists.

[Stacey Washington]

MAGA murders a choir boy eating a donut. Come on. They make him a wonderful person.

[Ian Crossland]

The way that Trump is working with the British and the Israelis right now makes me wonder if the media is gonna back off him and let him and stop harassing him and MAGA and all this crap. The way he's working with the agenda of the liberal economic order. Trump to.

[Tim Pool]

What does that have to do with.

[Ian Crossland]

I feel like because he used the media to demonize him and his Followers because they were afraid he was going to seize control and give it back to the American.

[Tim Pool]

Confused. The media is demonizing the shooter or the guy.

[Ian Crossland]

Trump and his followers, the maga, you guys are saying if a MAGA guy had shot a guy, the outbreak that.

[Tim Pool]

It would occur, I think leaps at once.

[Ian Crossland]

Dying that fervor of hatred rapidly. Well, what I'm saying is the fervor of hatred in the media against MAGA seems to be dissipating as Trump is acquiescing more towards the goals of the people that are controlling that media, which is conquering the Middle East.

[Tim Pool]

I don't, I don't, I don't know that I agree with that. I think it's more so just that we're winning the culture war.

[Ian Crossland]

That's for sure happening.

[Stacey Washington]

Yeah, culture war is definitely in a much better place than it was when he was in office the first time.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Stacey Washington]

I think it's their fault.

[Tim Pool]

I think it's, it's the Bud Light effect.

[Stacey Washington]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

The Democratic, Democratic approval, according to the latest poll on. I think it was Quinnipiac 21%.

[Stacey Washington]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

Republican was like 36 or something. Which is like, okay, it's not good. And it was funny because I posted this and someone was like, haha, Tim Pool's argument is that what Republicans are only a little less bad. And I'm like quite literally, yes. Well, that's it.

[Stacey Washington]

Yeah. But the shift is pretty phenomenal. The shift, the number is not that, that large. But the shift from disapproval for Trump to approval for Trump is something like a 42 point swing compared to his first term. So it doesn't look that great when you say, you know, approve, disapprove just based on that. Trump Democrats. But if you're looking at items like immigration, the foreign policy, the economy, even the tariffs where they said we'd all be running around with, we'd be naked. Cause no T shirts for China. We're all gonna be outside licking the ground eating grass because no food. And here we all are. So I got Amazon packages came this morning. I saw them. They sent me a picture. My umbrella for the pool arrived this morning at like 5am I'm telling you, nothing has changed. And the tariff deals are going to net us a lot of money at the treasury where it matters because they're sucking us dry with the taxes. But we are giving that money away in trade imbalances to foreign countries and we're not going to be doing that anymore. So our balance sheet is going to look a lot different. And that Matters to Americans because I for one, am tired of being taxed like I've stole something. I'm tired of paying as much in taxes as I am. I want more cuts. The CCJ to me didn't go far enough. I was happy for what I got, but it needs to go further. So, yes, you know, I get punished for actually busting my buns and working two jobs and trying to get ahead. And they're taking more and more and more. And the justification is, well, you know, progressive tax. I'm sick of that crap and most Americans are sick of it. It's not just me. I'm not, you know, an outlier.

[Ian Crossland]

What was the TCJ you mentioned?

[Stacey Washington]

Oh, Tax Cuts and Jobs act. Tcg.

[Ian Crossland]

And it lowered taxes. I didn't follow. What was.

[Stacey Washington]

It lowered. It lowered taxes in the first term and brought about the economic boom that helped us, us save like we literally survived Covid and the economic downturn because we were so strong coming out of the passage of the tcga.

[Phil Labonte]

So you hear people talk about make, make Trump tax cuts permanent.

[Stacey Washington]

Yeah, the tax. Okay, yeah, those are the ones we need.

[Ian Crossland]

He mentioned ending, what is it, income tax. At some point, multiple times he's. It's come out of his mouth that he wants to end income tax.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know if it's possible, but it's so exciting. I know.

[Stacey Washington]

You almost feel like you're going to faint when he, when he says it. I'm like, what? Where are the Republicans? They should all be around him, jumping up and down like Elon Musk. Yes, we want in the income tax.

[Ian Crossland]

And even if he said, I'm going to reduce income tax by 50% across the board, I'd still jump for joy with the same fervor, like the same excitement.

[Stacey Washington]

Any cuts, eliminate the top bracket, distribute everything down from there so the top bracket goes away and then everybody goes down from there. That'd be a great start. I kind of have all kinds of ideas.

[Ian Crossland]

I pulled focus away from this, this shooting at this rally. If you guys want to keep, if there's more to say about it. I, I'm kind of just learning about it as we're talking about it.

[Tim Pool]

This story is a cover up as far as I'm concerned.

[Ian Crossland]

For what?

[Tim Pool]

The organizing team pulled out guns, fired indiscriminately to a crowd of people and murdered an innocent man. And the cops arrested a random guy for open carrying.

[Ian Crossland]

So civil charges for the people that started the event and then criminal charges.

[Tim Pool]

Civil penalty in some case. So here's the issue, they don't want to work with police because they hate cops. So they say, instead, let's get some guys with guns. Now, that's fine in most circumstances if your guys are trained and reasonable. But when you are responsible for whatever comes out of the front of your gun. So if you bring guys in because you don't want to work with cops and they shoot and murder an innocent guy, there's. I say you should have some civil liability in that regard. And to the point of Phil, I think the family could sue them for that.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

As for criminal penalties, you shoot a guy, you get in trouble for it. They had no reason, they had no thought, no reasonable fear of harm. There was no threat. I will never stand by and simply have some liberal guy claim because a dude was carrying a rifle, he felt threatened, so he shot and murdered somebody.

[Stacey Washington]

Which is total bs, right? This is America. You're supposed to be able to carry a gun out in public and people don't flinch. He shot. And so he should. First of all, the person who did the shooting should be arrested and held without bail because he's a wild card. He's just out shooting people just because he doesn't like what they're holding in their hands. And then the other part is yet another death at a leftist protest. I mean, when are we gonna put a stop to that?

[Tim Pool]

I think chaos right now.

[Ian Crossland]

It'd be chaos if that was a cop.

[Tim Pool]

Sorry. They don't want the narrative to be that leftists are violent and kill. They want it always to be that the right is more violent and that's why they buried this story. And I think conservatives are too often playing catch up with the narrative of the left. So this story went under the radar. It is very often the liberals that. I mean, this is a fact. The New York Times, cnn, MSNBC are setting the news cycle most of the time. Washington Post. It started to change. It is shifting and we need to get away from that I don't know, era.

[Ian Crossland]

I guess it's an interesting phenomenon because I think about both the Trump kind of taking control of declaring war or not, and people like, why are people not up in arms about Congress not having control of the situation and decid if we're going to be attacking Iran, I see that of like, talk about controlling the narrative. That's what we should. And omnibus bills, like the narrative of how dangerous an omnibus bill with Matt Gaetz coming on our live show in Miami and drilling that how important that is to not have omnibus bills. And then he's Right. All of a sudden, we got the big, beautiful bill, and it's an omnibus bill. And people are like, what was, what was what I eat for dinner yesterday? Again, like, set the narrative.

[Stacey Washington]

But when you ask congressional members about that, they're talking about. So, so we have to have reconciliation package this time because our, our majority is so slim. We don't have enough to go through the traditional regular budgetary order process. We don't have the votes. So we need the wind to get through the midterms and hopefully increase our share of votes in Congress and in the Senate. But then again, with gerrymandering, how many more congressional votes can we actually take? We can take a few, but a major majority. And then that takes us back to the immigration issue. The reason that, okay, gerrymandering, it's bad. We'll acknowledge that. But we also have 3.8 congressional seats that can be directly attributed to illegal aliens in the country counted for apportionment. They're not supposed to be counted because they are not citizens. So that Supreme Court ruling has given us an inflated congressional body that is skewed, that doesn't actually reflect the populace of the United States. So we have some real prop. Like. But when you say President Trump is coming in on the second term and he's trying to do, you know, he's got all these agenda items. That's why he spent the four years he was out of office working and trying to set up a system where he could hit the ground running, because he only has four years. And then we absolutely must elect a Republican for eight more years after that, because this is a cleanup job of the size that, I mean, I just don't see how it gets done. And especially with the Congress we have where they're barely, like, they're barely rowing, they're not getting anything done. They should have had at least three pieces of solid legislation passed out of the House under consideration in the Senate, even if it's DOA, because we can't get the 10 votes. But why can't we get the 10 votes? Why can't we get 10, 10 Democrat senators in states where they actually have a chance of losing their seat to come alongside us and vote for things that make sense, like immigration reform and, you know, the tariffs or.

[Tim Pool]

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[Stacey Washington]

And here's my old phone to trade in.

[Tim Pool]

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[Stacey Washington]

I feel like I have to give you something in return for karma.

[Tim Pool]

That's okay.

[Stacey Washington]

I don't really have much in my purse.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, let's see.

[Stacey Washington]

Hand sanitizer.

[Tim Pool]

It's lavender. I'm good.

[Stacey Washington]

Seriously, Let me check this pocket. Oh, mints.

[Tim Pool]

Really, I'm fine.

[Stacey Washington]

Oh, I have raisins.

[Tim Pool]

I'm a mom. Wait, wait one sec. I've got cupcakes in the car.

[Ian Crossland]

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[Tim Pool]

Allow 15 days credits and imbalance due.

[Ian Crossland]

If you pay off earlier.

[Stacey Washington]

Cancel CT mobile.com the rescissions packages which admittedly those have. At least we passed one. But it was only for 9.4 billion. To me that's nothing. Elon Musk has saved 175 billion.

[Ian Crossland]

Is it because they're afraid of getting ostracized from the party?

[Stacey Washington]

Who, the Democrats?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, the people that won't be like vote for what makes sense.

[Tim Pool]

Is it because party politics force them.

[Stacey Washington]

To do what we want. We have to force at least 10 of them like I was. So you're saying do it.

[Ian Crossland]

That's the point of the omnibus.

[Tim Pool]

Trump deports all the illegal immigrants and then five years from now they're on the census. Democrats lose upwards of. There will be a 25 seat swing in favor of Republicans. So what that really means is they'll lose about 10 seats and they'll get reapportioned for Republicans up 10 seats and then they will end up with like a 23 to 25 seat majority and then it's going to get wild because the debates will only be between the Freedom Caucus and the neoconstruction.

[Stacey Washington]

Well, I mean we have to have a problem, don't we?

[Tim Pool]

Right?

[Stacey Washington]

Rather have that one. Yeah. You said if he deports them all one million. The estimate is between 750,000 and a million of them have self deported using the old CBP1 app. That is home app and there's a tiny bit of deportations. He's Done. Because every time you turn around, there's Some Democrat Article 3 Judge telling him he can't do this and he can't do that. Which needs to be fixed by the Supreme Court or our do nothing Congress. Because Article 3 judges are actually chosen and allocated by the legislative branch. So who could defund those courts? Congress. Who controls the House? We do. I don't care if it's only by one vote. We control it. All we would have to do is defund one judge and the rest of them would recede back into their holes. But they're not doing it again. Where are they?

[Tim Pool]

Let's jump to the story from the Star Tribune. Letter to the FBI from shooting suspect made wild claims about Klobuchar and Waltz. Sources say. Slow down. That headlines terrible. Star Tribune. What's the story? How about this? Vance Bolter accused assassin. The man who they say went to the homes of these Democrats and killed them reportedly claimed Tim Waltz told him to do it. Now there's a headline. I wonder why they didn't go with it. Star treatment says in a rambling conspiratorial letter. Conspiratorial letter addressed to the FBI, alleged assassin Vance Bolter claimed Governor Tim Waltz instructed him to kill US Senator Amy Klobuchar so that Waltz could run for the U.S. senate. According to two people familiar with the contents of the letter. The letter is the clearest evidence yet of Bolter's mindset after the targeted violence against Minnesota politicians last week. It is incoherent, one and a half pages long, confusing and hard to read. According to two people familiar with the letter's contents. It includes Bolter alleging he had been trained by the US Military off the books and that Waltz, who is not running for Senate, had asked him to kill Klobuchar and others. When is the Senate race?

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, Klobuchar.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Let me, let me pull it up. Is that going to be 2028? Yes, I believe 2028. So it's, it's weird that they said who's not running? Because we're three years out. And he certainly could if he wanted to. I don't know why they would say that. And it is fascinating that he claims he was trained secretly by the military. Here's a question. For what reason did they decide to write this? From the presupposition that he was incoherent and insane. Instead of literally just reporting on, he wrote a letter that made these claims. It is strange to me when news outlets inject opinions into what is supposed to be a news story and use a weird headline that doesn't really convey the subject of the story.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, one reason that they don't just give you the neutral data is because tone. There's no tone. So, like, if you heard this guy on video saying. And he was like, I swear they.

[Tim Pool]

Were telling me to.

[Ian Crossland]

And then you know right away he's crazy because you hear his tone. But if you just read the words that came out of his mouth in a. In a published article, you might just believe it's not.

[Tim Pool]

Here's a question for you, Ian. If someone said that in a court, would the immediate assumption of the court be that his tone proves him crazy?

[Ian Crossland]

No.

[Tim Pool]

Or they instruct you, would they say the subject of the claims is what matters, the credibility of the witnesses for you to decide?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, they would.

[Tim Pool]

So it would be. So this, this is my point. Have there been circumstances where people have been MK Ultraed? That's why we have the phrase MK Ultra, because we know that's. That's happened right now. I think the probability that this guy is of sound mind is very low.

[Stacey Washington]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

But I don't know why I would not call it appropriate for a news outlet to write their story doing everything they can to make you come to a conclusion about the mental state of the man before they convey the facts, which is what the news should be doing, they should literally just say, vance Bolter, alleged assassin, accused and arrested, wrote letter claiming Tim Waltz instructed him to assassinate.

[Stacey Washington]

Period.

[Ian Crossland]

Horrible PR for Tim Waltz. But I think. I mean, but if it's true.

[Tim Pool]

It's true. And it is not the. It is not the job of a news organization to inject loaded language like the word rambling and conspiratorial. Those are opinions, not facts.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm going to play this totally devil's advocate, because I don't really care that much.

[Tim Pool]

And put OP ed on the top of the article. Put op ed.

[Ian Crossland]

If they said, like, if a crazy guy said something about you or somebody.

[Stacey Washington]

We have to move it off the front page.

[Tim Pool]

No, it wouldn't. It would. Hold on, hold on. That's not true. Because when the Daily Beast lied and claimed that I had been accused of stealing a cat, when. Who had the cat? Ian, who had the cat?

[Ian Crossland]

I think I had the.

[Tim Pool]

You had the cat?

[Ian Crossland]

I was taking very good care of the cat. Betsy's a wonderful woman. I love her.

[Tim Pool]

Wrote and lay on my lap and they got her back to her owner and they wrote, tim Pool accused of stealing cats. They could have written, police deny Tim Pool had cat after wild accusation, they could have done that. Instead. This is the game we get with the corporate press. They will inject opinion into a story they want you to believe to be false. And they will remove all opinion on stories that are absurd and ridiculous if they can smear their political opponents.

[Stacey Washington]

But is it true? That's what you're saying. This is not an example. They wrote a news story about you stealing a cat.

[Tim Pool]

Yes. So here's what happened. There was somebody I worked with. She left her cat in the care of Ian. I texted her and said, come get your cat. She said, no. I said, I don't know, man. Ian, figure it out. She then.

[Ian Crossland]

I did.

[Tim Pool]

She then made a video saying, my cat's been stolen or whatever, and called the police. The police called me and says, do you have a cat? And I say, no. And they were like, well, we got a call from someone saying, you have a cat. And I was like, there's a man who works for me who has that cat in question. I can put you in contact with him. And he was like, look, I have no idea what's going on. Can we arrange something? And then we worked out. We'll send the cat to a shelter. They can come get it. And then the police told the Daily Beast, Tim Pool did not have possession of the cat. Ian Crosland was in possession of the cat. It was delivered to a shelter where it was picked up and unharmed. And the Daily Beast still wrote the headline, tim Pool accused of stealing cat.

[Stacey Washington]

Wait, the Daily Beast is the one that wrote that the little boy in the face paint at the Kansas City game?

[Tim Pool]

I think so.

[Stacey Washington]

He was a white supremacist.

[Tim Pool]

Maybe not. Maybe not.

[Stacey Washington]

That wasn't the Daily Beast.

[Tim Pool]

It might have been. I don't remember. But then Twitter, when it was still Twitter at the time, put that on its trending tab for two weeks. It was just like, what, the cat thing?

[Ian Crossland]

I love that cat. I wanted to keep her for myself, I'll be honest. Not really. I wanted to get her back to her proper place.

[Stacey Washington]

Nice cat.

[Ian Crossland]

She was beautiful. Yeah. She would, like, jump on my lap. If she walk up and, like, look at you or at me, and I'd be like. And then she'd jump on my lap and curl into a ball. Like, we had it good. It was all good.

[Tim Pool]

She was climbing in the walls.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. Betsy and Bucko would terrorize her. There she was. They were happier once they. When she went back home, I know for sure that was.

[Tim Pool]

That was so.

[Ian Crossland]

Hey, Daily Beast. I don't have a Lot of love for the. Yeah, I don't have a lot of love for him. They do it wrong. I feel like if they're going to do stuff like that and misrepresent.

[Tim Pool]

Let's just say it again. The Star Tribune has written an article that they are purporting to be fact, but the phrase rambling and conspiratorial are opinion statements. Now what they're doing is they're attributing it to the FBI. It says address to the FBI. Okay. People with direct knowledge say it's rambling and conspiratorial. This could mean a journalist, people who saw it, they play these dirty games, okay? Now, I don't think there's a very high probability this guy was actually instructed by Tim Waltz to do anything because extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I'm only pissed off because I'm sick of news outlets that write opinion pieces masquerading as fact. That way, when people Google search it, they are told to come to a conclusion before they've even read any of the details. This is how they smear the Right. This is how they smear Trump.

[Stacey Washington]

It's bullcrap for them to put those descriptors in there and act as if they basically are. It's already pre assumed fact that those descriptors of the man and his ramblings, that those are accurate. But they do that all the time. And what you're talking about is like, you go to somebody who, you know, kicks puppies for a living and you're like, you know, kicking puppies is wrong. Well, he's getting paid to kick puppies. He's not even going to hear it. That's what these people are like. They're paid to propagandize.

[Tim Pool]

I think Klobuchar is not even up for reelection until 2030.

[Stacey Washington]

Right. She just was elected again, right? Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So that's why it's like, who's not even running for Senate? Well, it's five years away from that election. What do you, why do you see how they're doing this when they write Tim Waltz, quote, comma, who is not running for the Senate? That is a weasel phrase. Okay? If it were true that he wanted Klobuchar out of the picture to run in 2030, why would you include. He wasn't running. The argument would be that he's trying to run five years from now. They are loading this so that you, you make. This is what they do when, when Trump says something. Trump, it'll be like, you know, Trump calls, you know, not just his fine people or whether, whatever, they will write a story which has Trump, comma, who called Neo, that's his fine people, comma, says that a trade deal with China will be beneficial. And you're like, wait, why did they include that? That's what they've been doing for years.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. I mean, it's been. But it's been like 15 years now.

[Tim Pool]

Yep.

[Ian Crossland]

Since little kids had the opportunity to write blogs on the Internet, basically.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I mean, it might have come from blogging. That's possible that the. The, you know, the style of journalism we'll call it, has changed so much in the 15 years because, you know, there was a time where, you know, blogs were all the rage and stuff. And so that might have been the deal. But, oh, here's another thing, too.

[Tim Pool]

Like, here's the Daily Beast story. YouTube star Tim Pool's news site collapses amid allegations he took a cat hostage. Which is like. Which is the headline is. Is fake in every capacity because CNR still operates.

[Stacey Washington]

Wow.

[Tim Pool]

In fact, tails language is unbelievable that.

[Stacey Washington]

You took a cat hostage.

[Ian Crossland]

It makes you picture him, like, with a gun, pointing a gun, holding the cat, like, cling it to his chest, kind of energy.

[Phil Labonte]

Exactly what happened.

[Ian Crossland]

It's bizarre.

[Tim Pool]

Well, that's Will Summer for you. Must make stuff up, Will.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, that was Will Summer and.

[Tim Pool]

Hold on. And what is that? What kind of kid is this?

[Ian Crossland]

Not the cat that we. Not Betsy.

[Tim Pool]

Not my love.

[Stacey Washington]

Not your love. Bets.

[Ian Crossland]

They will contacted me. I didn't give him any. Anything on this. I didn't know what to say. I mean, I was just getting the cat back to the owner. That's all I cared about it. Taking good care of her. It was so weird that they did this.

[Stacey Washington]

It's like slow news.

[Tim Pool]

And. And two days after my birthday.

[Phil Labonte]

Unbelievable. Unbelievable.

[Tim Pool]

Unacceptable.

[Ian Crossland]

And they conflated it with the scanner.

[Stacey Washington]

They cannot allow. We can no longer allow these kinds of attacks near your birthday. There has to be some kind of civilization here. We have to. We can't just allow everything to go down to the toilet.

[Ian Crossland]

So, like, if a crazy guy says, a dude told me to go, that wouldn't make the news. But if. Then it's a governor and the guy actually tried an assassination attempt.

[Tim Pool]

This guy worked for Tim Waltz.

[Ian Crossland]

He worked for him also.

[Tim Pool]

This guy was appointed by Tim Waltz to the board of governors or something like that. Oh, right. That's why I'm like, you know that. No, when they're loading the language to make it seem like it's impossible. And it's like but this guy was.

[Stacey Washington]

Friends with Tim Walsh. I've read at least three or four articles about the guy. I've not seen that fact, not yet.

[Phil Labonte]

There's still an active argument going on on the Internet as to who this boy belongs to. Does he belong to the right or does he belong to the left?

[Tim Pool]

Here you go.

[Stacey Washington]

They love that.

[Tim Pool]

What are Vance Luthor Bolter's politics? Alleged Minnesota assassin was appointed by Tim Waltz. Voted for Trump. That's what they say.

[Stacey Washington]

How do they know he voted for Trump?

[Tim Pool]

Well, let me just pull up the part where he was appointed by Tim Waltz because that's. That matters.

[Phil Labonte]

His roommate threw him right under the bus.

[Tim Pool]

Right. His roommate said that, which I don't.

[Phil Labonte]

Know why he has a roommate. He's married and has kids.

[Stacey Washington]

I don't believe the roommate.

[Tim Pool]

So two notices of appointment for Bolter to the Governor's workforce development board were obtained by kttc, although the exact motivations for his crimes are unclear. Okay, so he was appointed by Waltz to the governor's workforce board and then claimed that Waltz told him to kill these people. Okay, I mean, maybe we should look into that.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. So his. His friend said that he voted for him.

[Tim Pool]

He was reappointed to the board by Waltz in December of 2019 as a business member for a term that expired in 2023.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, so he. He had worked for Waltz. Maybe he was. He has issues. Anger with Waltz or something after having worked with him. I. I don't believe this guy. I mean, it's gonna, like you said, had.

[Stacey Washington]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Extraordinary evidence. If that's. You want to back that statement up.

[Stacey Washington]

I'm going to need to see, like, he voted for Trump. He. In addition to his I voted sticker, he was also wearing, like, a Trump T shirt that he had to turn inside out when he was in the poll because he wouldn't allow him in. Something serious.

[Phil Labonte]

Apparently he had some literature from the no Kings.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, it's just white pieces of paper with no Kings written on it.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, my bad.

[Tim Pool]

Just the phrase. I can show you the image. It's just this. Now, these are flyers. So some people tried making the argument because they didn't show the images. They said he had flyers for no Kings. Do you think he was going to attack them? Then you actually look and you're like, oh, no, no, no, no, no. Those were signs, handmade, likely by him, for no Kings, indicating that he intended to spread the message. If it was a flyer with a date and a location, you could make the argument he was planning on targeting it. This just looks like he agreed with him.

[Phil Labonte]

Yep.

[Ian Crossland]

I didn't get the beginning. I missed the top of the story or I wasn't here when you guys discussed it before. Did he actually assassinate someone or was he two people?

[Tim Pool]

Okay. One person still in critical condition. He went to. He dressed as a cop, put on a latex mask, had a fake cop car with the lights. Red, red and blue lights, knocked on the door. When they opened, he went bang, bang, bang, bang.

[Ian Crossland]

Pulled him over and pulled up their house.

[Stacey Washington]

Wow.

[Tim Pool]

Wearing a mask with a fake police uniform, knocked on the door. It was a former Democrat and his wife. And a former Democrat and her husband. A current Democrat and her husband. No, it was a former Democrat. The woman was former. Right. As a former Democrat and her husband. And a current Democrat and his wife. And he knocked on the door, they opened it, and he started blasting.

[Ian Crossland]

This is. It makes me think. I just. A friend of mine told me, like, if the cops come to your house and they knock and they want to talk to you, like, are they really cops? You gotta find that out.

[Tim Pool]

Right. So they.

[Stacey Washington]

He had a mask on. So, I mean, that was one. One.

[Tim Pool]

It was a. It was a. It was a fake person. It was a latex mask that looked like a person.

[Stacey Washington]

Oh, I thought it.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, well, yeah, so I think I have a picture. There you go.

[Stacey Washington]

Look, here's the issue with. With this whole thing. If he was a Republican, why would he shoot her? The. The legislator he shot and killed just crossed over and voted with the Republicans in the state legislature there to stop giving medical benefits to illegal aliens. Yes, she crossed over. So she crossed over and voted with the Republicans. So why would a MAGA supporter, a Trump supporter, shoot someone who was actually implementing the Trump agenda at the state level? He wouldn't.

[Tim Pool]

The argument was that it was a Democrat being like, you're a traitor. You've betrayed us.

[Stacey Washington]

Well, I believe he's a Democrat. I don't believe he's a Republican.

[Tim Pool]

The argument was that he's actually a Democrat appointed by Waltz.

[Stacey Washington]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And then I believe that targeted these people because they crossed the line and they were traitors to the party.

[Ian Crossland]

But he said they voted for Trump. Or that he voted for Trump.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, the guy with family and kids had a best friend, roommate. Nobody believes that.

[Stacey Washington]

I don't believe it.

[Ian Crossland]

It's possible that this guy. It's not even. Well, it's probably politically motivated in some fashion, him working with Waltz and targeting political. But it might not be, like, right and left energy here. It might just Be like a psychopath, broken psychopath by the system, lashed out.

[Tim Pool]

Maybe people he knew or he was told to do it by waltz. We're going to go to your chats, my friend. So smash the like button, share the show with the literally everyone you know, even your AI chat girlfriend. See what she has to say. And we're going to read what you guys have to say. So let's get those rumble rants and super chats. What do we got here? Shane H. Wilder is always number one. He says Pakistan nominating Donald Trump for a Nobel Peace Prize for mediating peace with them in India was not on my 2025 bingo card. We know he won't get it, but I never expected him to even be nominated. He's been nominated several times, actually.

[Ian Crossland]

We almost led with that. It's interesting.

[Tim Pool]

And then we didn't even talk about it. Yeah, arson says things I've learned this week. DJT can trust everyone around him and the deep state has disappeared. I'm anti Semitic for questioning our involvement with Israeli affairs. Must be my Muslim heritage. My favorite is I tweeted, I'm very proud of myself, by the way. I tweeted, ask not what your country can do for you, but what your country can do for Israel. And I just thought, it's a joke. Joke. It's a joke because of, you know, the way everyone acts about Israel. And it's funny because I think more than anything, this tweet reveals foreign actors and bots. There are pro Israel people that are responding saying, okay, I gotta admit, that's actually funny. There are anti Israel people putting. Just. Just saying, lol. Okay, you got me. Because it's not. It doesn't really say anything other than it makes fun of the circumstance. But then there are people of both sides. I'm being called a Zionist for having posted it, which is clearly a joke, which is weird. And I'm being called an anti Semite for posting it. And I think those people are not Americans. And what I think happens is anybody who is American, who knows history and hears that gets it. I'm satirizing JFK's statement about your country and you. But imagine if you were from Pakistan and you saw what I tweeted, clicked translate, and all you saw was me saying, your country shouldn't serve you, your country should serve the benefits of Israel. You'd be like, this guy's a Zionist. So if it's going through a language filter or you don't know our history, you don't get the context, or if You're a bot. But I got to be honest, even AI understands that's a play on jfk.

[Stacey Washington]

Did Candace Owens retweet you?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, and she put a bunch of laughing emojis.

[Stacey Washington]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

And it's. And it's not. It's. It's. It's. It's literally just a joke.

[Ian Crossland]

It's an inside joke, but it's inside a big bubble. Yeah, not everybody's in that bubble.

[Stacey Washington]

Big, big, big, big, big bubble.

[Tim Pool]

Like, if, if you're pro Israel, you should laugh about it. If you're anti. Like, the joke was just like, the circumstances of how everyone treats.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, you followed up with a post on Twitter that said that maybe we should have, like, a nationality filter. So you.

[Tim Pool]

That before.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, interesting.

[Phil Labonte]

That's a good idea.

[Stacey Washington]

What about. So in your opinion, the term Zionist is just. You just believe that Israel has the right to have their own country. Correct? Or are you taking Zionists further than that? Where you, you, you literally believe that, you know, everything should be to their favor.

[Tim Pool]

I'm not a Zionist.

[Stacey Washington]

Well, no, I.

[Tim Pool]

But they're calling me Zionists for, For saying, like, I don't care about Israel.

[Stacey Washington]

No, I understand what they're saying about you, but I'm saying, just generally speaking, the term Zionist, some people don't actually have the same definition. I. I thought Zionist meant you believe that Israel has a right to a country, that they have a right to exist in the Middle East. I believe that. So that makes me a Zionist by a lot of people's ideas.

[Tim Pool]

And it's more than that. To a lot of these people, simply acknowledging the existence itself, whether you like it or not, is Zionism.

[Stacey Washington]

Yeah, that's bull crap.

[Tim Pool]

So I actually had someone ask me this because they called me a Zionist, and I said, I am not a Zionist. I literally don't care and don't think we should fund Israel. And they said, but you act as though Israel is a country. And I was like, it is. And they're like, you're a Zionist. Yeah, because I. Wait.

[Ian Crossland]

The formation of the modern day Israel is different than the Kingdom of Israel in the Bible and the love of.

[Tim Pool]

Israel in the Bible, the argument is.

[Ian Crossland]

Of Jacob and things like that.

[Tim Pool]

The argument is there are countries where they don't put Israel on their maps.

[Stacey Washington]

Oh, there are. And if you're flying over the Middle east, depending on what airline you're on, it says Palestine.

[Tim Pool]

Right. And so the people from those countries, they'll be like, you actually think there's some country called Israel? You're A Zionist. And you're like, well, it's clearly there. It has a parliament, it has judges, it has a prime minister.

[Stacey Washington]

And embassies.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, embassies. So, like, say whatever you want, I guess.

[Stacey Washington]

And you know what they did? They actually filled out all the paperwork and stuff so they could be a country. Unlike the Hamas charter, where they didn't do the. There were a few prerequisite steps. All they had to do was those last few steps and Gaza could have been a country. But since they never did that, Israel is going to take it back over and manage it.

[Ian Crossland]

And yeah, you could liken it to the ccp. Some people don't recognize it as the legitimate government.

[Tim Pool]

They're like, you actually think this is ccp?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, exactly. Then am I. Am I a Zionist for the, for the Communist zombie. Zombie is I must be zombie. And you just nailed it.

[Tim Pool]

That's the top. All right, let's grab this from arsonist. He says, arsonist says, I'm no longer a Republican. I now identify as a pop. Con. Populist conservative.

[Phil Labonte]

Okay.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm concerned, as we were talking about all these, like, global potential conflicts kicking off, well, world war, things like that. If Trump were just removed from the situation, you know, worst case, I'm always with contingencies, often. And, like, what would happen with this country?

[Tim Pool]

You know, what Hillary Clinton would have done?

[Stacey Washington]

Bombed it into oblivion.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, the timeline was pushed back because of Trump's first term. Look at the military. Sorry, not the military, but look at the, The. The operations in Ukraine under Obama, with. With usaid, with Nuland. The US Was very interested in the overthrow of the Yanukovych government. Russia annexes Crimea. Things are building up. Trump wins. Ukraine stops. Why? Because Trump was like, I don't care. We are not involved in whatever that is. I don't want to be involved. I don't want to be at war. And so it was funny because I was there at the start of the Euromaidan protests, which eventually broke. They started calling it a civil war because the eastern separatists were shooting. Trump gets elected. I went back to Ukraine in 2017 and did some field report, and the locals there said, no, no, there's. There's no more civil war. There's only a few separatists in the eastern region, but we don't really consider that a big deal anymore. And then Biden gets in and what happens? Russia invades. Never would have happened if Trump remained in office. Hillary Clinton, during the debate with Trump, was asked about a no fly zone over Syria. She was warned by our generals if the US Were to implement a no fly zone over Syria, it would be a declaration of war with Russia. And she said she did not care that she wanted it. The reason is that Russia has a naval base in Tartus. So we basically, by using a no fly zone, we are literally saying, russia, we are going to shoot your planes down. And Russia is going to be like, try me. And she was like, I don't care. So with the serious situation, if, if Hillary Clinton had won in 2016, we would have the Ukraine war to kicked off right away, and we would have been embroiled in a massive conflict, more so in Syria than we were. Trump slowed it all down.

[Ian Crossland]

There's a type of hubris that envelops these commanders sometimes when they win a lot in a row. This happened to the Nazis after they took Poland with, like, no resistance. They took France. They were all surprised how easy it was. They were shocked. And then they started to believe their own bullshit. And I think Hillary Clinton also thinks indestructible American military. Like, this nonsense has been fed through her.

[Stacey Washington]

He's like the guy, the car guy in Speed Racer, and he's like the insurpassable might of money. He's trying to convince Speed Racer to take the contract and he won't take it. And he's like giving him this big, long speech about the history of racing and all that stuff. And basically none of the races were really won. And that's what Hillary Clinton reminds me of. She's a megalomaniac and someone crazy who never should have been as close as she was to the presidency. She never should have been a senator. I mean, she never should have been Secretary of State. But the big deal with that is it was that. And then it was also when President Trump came into office, like Tim said, you have President Trump literally telling Putin to his face, if you move on Crimea, I'll bomb Moscow over ice cream. Right. The same thing to President Xi if you don't stop these fentanyl from coming over the southern border. You know, I'm.

[Tim Pool]

There's a phone call with Trump where he's like, I told them that if he moved on Ukraine or if China moved on Taiwan, I would nuke Beijing and Moscow. And he goes, I don't know if they believed me, maybe a little bit, 5%, but it was enough.

[Stacey Washington]

Right? Well, but that's, that's. That's what we need in a commander in chief. You. You don't want someone who's asleep or people don't think he's actually there. You want someone who. They're not sure what he's going to do.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, it's like, it's the Yosemite Sam thing. It's like Trump sits down with Putin and they're talking and he's like, here's what we want to do. And Trump goes, yeah, that's nice. If you invade Ukraine, I'm gonna. I'm gonna nuke Moscow. And Putin's like, yeah. What?

[Stacey Washington]

Yeah. The other day you were.

[Tim Pool]

You don't know if Trump's serious or not.

[Stacey Washington]

On the show the other day, you were talking about the underground tunnels that they've built in Ukraine. I've been to Russia. I've seen the subways underneath the ground, and they are gorgeous. All kinds of tile up on the ceiling. Like, we would put these kinds of tiles in a cathedral. They have them in their underground tunnels in Russia.

[Tim Pool]

Deep underground.

[Stacey Washington]

Deep, deep underground.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, we got. We got two. I'm going to read back to back. Mytho says about precision, Tim, we have in the past shot down a helicopter with a laser guided bomb. I repeat, shot down. We are more than precise enough to hit the same spot twice. And drunken gringo says, As a retired JTAC, I can 100% say we can lob multiple rounds to the exact spot within a few feet of one another. Agreed. My, my point is not that. That is the limiting factor. The limiting factor is not only would you have to do that, you'd have to do it at multiple locations because the Fordo facility is spread out underground and deep underground because Iran intentionally built it because of our bunker busters. So the point, if they say they lob three consecutive, I think, what do we have, like between 15 or 30 or something around there? Let's say they lob two or three in the same spot. Boom. Okay. Now they got to come back and they got to do it in multiple locations to make sure they totally decimate the. The area.

[Stacey Washington]

All the stories I've seen say we have 20, 20 of those.

[Tim Pool]

So we're talking about basically using all of them near our entire stuff. I mean, let's just be reasonable and say we're gonna use two each four times, so eight. So a little bit less than at 40% a lot.

[Ian Crossland]

But then you're. You're still in a situation where you can't confirm if you got the destruction.

[Tim Pool]

Until someone goes on the ground.

[Stacey Washington]

Would have to go in and confirm because they got to do something and.

[Ian Crossland]

They could very easily lie. I mean, if you're Going to give control and power and authority of deciding the narrative of the earth right now to some secret police force in a country. That's a lot of power to give them to be like arbiter of truth.

[Stacey Washington]

I don't think the facade is a secret, the use of those. And right now Boeing is having trouble delivering on their, their, like anything. They couldn't get the two Air Force ones done. They're, they're like 15 years behind on that and they're having trouble delivering on pretty much everything in inventory that they're supposed to be providing. Those GBU 57s are a Boeing product, so replacing that inventory would be a significant expense and time delay. Like they're really having trouble. And I'm a huge Boeing person because they, they employ so many people in St. Louis, it's unbelievable. We have a huge Boeing facility in St. Louis, but they're having trouble.

[Ian Crossland]

You're saying just replenish the armaments themselves, the weap.

[Stacey Washington]

The bombs themselves, actual bombs themselves. If, if you go with Tim's scenario and you use eight or. Yeah, eight, you, you then have 12 left. And you know, maybe the 20 is what they like to keep on hand. I don't know. I mean, we sent so many munitions to Ukraine, I don't even know what our standards are anymore. But yeah, it would be a problem. They're low, right? They're low. They're, they're basement low. Yeah, yeah, they're fordo low.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, maybe St.

[Tim Pool]

Miles says, hey, Ian, whatever op you choose, bunker buster, nuke boots on the ground or revolution, the blood will be on your hands for pushing for any option to involving America in a problem by Israel and Iran.

[Ian Crossland]

Did you tell Neville Chamberlain that too when he appeased Hitler and gave him the Sudetenland? I'm not saying we should attack Iran. I'm just pointing out the different scenarios to look at. Neville Chamberlain should have attacked Hitler in 1938 and he didn't. And because of that, you got what you got.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I mean, France also royally screwed up.

[Ian Crossland]

They did. They just sat there and waited with this ancient head of their military chief of staff from World War I that didn't know what he was doing, floundering around. Wait until they got attacked. Yep.

[Tim Pool]

Unaware of the advancements in technology and unwilling to recognize it. Like, he'll never penetrate our defenses. And then Hitler's like, I'll go around. That's it.

[Ian Crossland]

Or now we can go above.

[Tim Pool]

That is funny. You know they call France cheese eating surrender monkeys because they literally surrendered. Right. Away without any real fight. They just got occupied instantly.

[Stacey Washington]

So fast. That's why they don't get to talk about anything their whole month.

[Tim Pool]

It's amazing. But France has one of the greatest wartime records, in fact. So it's funny how that one defeat turns them into cheese eating surrender monkeys. Even though historically France has been brutal.

[Ian Crossland]

The greatest army on earth.

[Tim Pool]

Well, one of Napoleon. It is funny how they're like revolution. And then Napoleon's like, I'll be our emperor. And they were like, okay, short enough.

[Stacey Washington]

Yeah, whatever. So someone in the chat is talking about, you know, we're talking about Israel and all that. And we have veterans living on the street. I mean, I'm with you, bro. I actually, I'm a veteran. My father's a veteran, my husband's a veteran. I don't understand why we have veterans on the street. I don't understand why we don't do the homeless remediation programs that have been proven to work in big cities that have. We've literally implemented them and they've worked. Why don't we do that for veterans? Why don't we start with them and then spread out? We could really lower the amount of homeless that we have in this country right now. Some cities do it better than others and we could actually do something with it.

[Tim Pool]

Why are veterans. Why are there homeless veterans? Is it. Are many of them suffering from mental illness?

[Stacey Washington]

A lot of them have ptsd. They come back and they can't. They're in multiple deployments back to back, and they go again and again and again. Once you've been deployed to Iraq five times and you've been blown up a few times and half the people you know have been killed, you come back and your, your mind is still there. You can't sleep on a bed. You're used to sleeping on the ground. I mean, it's just, just a whole life change. And they're not prone to asking for help. These are operators. They're used to helping. They're not used to asking. And so they have to have a special kind of intervention. And oftentimes their family can't deal with them. They. They often go through a divorce. When they get back, first thing that happens is they come home, the wife is like, I don't know who this is. You're a monster. And they get divorced. Now they've got a broken family, they're off on their own. And they don't make a lot of money as it is. They make very little in comparison to what, you know, a lot of Us are used to out here in the private sector, there's a lot of drivers for homelessness with, with veterans, but they're not insurmountable. We don't have to have 55,000 homeless veterans.

[Tim Pool]

We can have far less, can't they? I imagine probably not everybody. But isn't there a job still in the military that they could be doing that would alleviate this?

[Stacey Washington]

Well, they come back service disabled, so they have to get out because they're, they're, you know, they're physically or mentally unable to continue to serve. Some of them do hang around and serve and continue to, you know.

[Tim Pool]

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[Stacey Washington]

Thanks. And here's my old phone to trade in.

[Tim Pool]

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[Stacey Washington]

I feel like I have to give you something in return for karma.

[Tim Pool]

That's okay.

[Stacey Washington]

I don't really have much in my purse.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, let's see.

[Stacey Washington]

Hand sanitizer.

[Tim Pool]

It's lavender. I'm good. Seriously. Let me check this pocket.

[Stacey Washington]

Oh, mints.

[Tim Pool]

Really, I'm fine.

[Stacey Washington]

Oh, I have raisins.

[Tim Pool]

I'm a mom. Wait, wait one sec. I've got cupcakes in the car.

[Ian Crossland]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Ian Crossland]

Due if you pay off early or.

[Stacey Washington]

Cancel CT mobile.com and those are the ones that they do very well. But the best opportunity is for them to go into a civilian role, work for the federal government, and then they can continue on. But you know, we're talking about 55,000 people. That is nothing in this country. 340 million of us, 40 million illegals. But whatever. We have an obligation to these people to help them. And there are plenty of organizations in the private sector. But the VA sucks when Democrats are in charge. The wait time is eight months. 387,000 of our vets died waiting for an appointment under a Democrat president. When Trump was in office, he changed that. But of course, Biden flipped the switch back to every slow, nonsense thing when he came into office. And people are saying the VA sucks. It sucks when Democrats are in charge.

[Tim Pool]

I'll tell you, there is one thing that makes me consider communism. I mean that jokingly, but it's that because I brought this up a long time ago, I was like, since a kid, I've always wondered why it is that we have multimillionaire baseball players, basketball players, football players, musicians, and then first responders and servicemen and women get paid like nothing, low class wages. And I'm like, why are we, why, why are we as a society giving $500,000 contracts to a guy who plays.

[Stacey Washington]

Football and not building him a stadium? Tim? Yeah, my governor just gave the stadium to the Kansas City Chiefs to keep them on our side of the Missouri Kansas line. That's $1,000 per Missouri family. I've never been in that Kansas City's Chiefs stadium. I don't like football. I don't give a crap whether they stay here or not. But a thousand bucks for me, the.

[Tim Pool]

One thing I'll always shout Jon Stewart out for is his defense of the 911 first responders. I don't understand why those people just don't get infinite money forever. And I mean, like, I'm somewhat kidding, obviously, but like, have it, they should want for nothing.

[Stacey Washington]

We, we have it to be able to give them an endless stream of cash. Of course, the reason, and the veterans.

[Ian Crossland]

Too, the reason why you see athletes, you might already know this, athletes and actors and musicians get all that money is because they're driving revenue.

[Tim Pool]

It's capitalism. I know people, and that's why I said communism, because it's like, I get it. If a hundred thousand people want to buy Ian's new hit single Ian Rocks, and they're going to spend a couple bucks for it. He's going to make hundreds of thousands of dollars. And when it comes to paying for firefighters or cops, nobody wants to pay taxes. Nobody wants to make those payments. They don't want to.

[Stacey Washington]

The new thing with cops is forget about funding them. How about if we just let them live? Every year we top the year before on the number of police officers who are ambushed in their cars, sitting there eating, literally eating a donut while they're taking a 15 minute break before they go to the next patrol. They're getting gunned down, they're getting ambushed. When they get called 911, they show up, they get shot and killed. These things happen far more often than reported in the media. And these are our first responders. And every time I've ever dialed 911, some really cute suburban cop shows up and walks around my backyard and hands me a business card and comes back again. They do patrols at our house, and we're on vacation. These guys are amazing. They're always amazing. And then there's all this crap against them. And my dad was in because of social media.

[Tim Pool]

It.

[Stacey Washington]

It's just. It's just the dumbest people in our society ruining something great that we have.

[Tim Pool]

So I'll go on Instagram and they. A video popped up the other day where it was a cop giving a guy a ticket for, like, window tint or something, and he's complaining about it. I see a bunch of videos on Instagram periodically where it's like, unreasonable cops being dicks to people. But the reality is the overwhelming majority of interactions people have with cops are administrative or helpful.

[Stacey Washington]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So it's like you got a ticket and you groan. But it's a rather routine stop. Cop says, look, you were speeding. Here you go. Or here's your warning.

[Stacey Washington]

I've been pulled over a lot. I like driving BMWs and Mustangs. I. I like speed. I grew up in Germany. I learned how to drive in Germany. There's no speed limit there, so I.

[Tim Pool]

Can'T overlook you'd have been shot a long time ago.

[Stacey Washington]

Well, amazingly, I'm still sitting unshot, completely unshot, because I know how to talk to a cop. But here's the thing. There were at 1.1 million police officers in this country before ACAB and defund the police. And there were over a billion interactions a year. And you have about 1300 people a year getting shot. And the majority of those people are white. So I don't need. Please help me understand why all cops are bad. If they were all bad, there'd be dead people everywhere.

[Tim Pool]

But people think it's true. This is what I never understood. There are these videos from, like, they call themselves auditors or whatever, and it's like a video where a cop pulls a guy over, and the guy's just screaming at the cop, I know my rights. You can't do this. And I'm like, why are you doing this? Yeah, it's like, just take your ticket. It's sometimes not even a ticket. I got pulled over once, and I was speeding, and the guy said. He's like, how's it going there, buddy? You were speeding and I was Like, I gotta go to the bathroom. And he was like, all right, all right. I'll give you a warning, man. You know, there's an exit out here's a gas station. I was like, thanks. Appreciate it, man.

[Stacey Washington]

I've gotten off with the warning. One time I was my little Mustang on active duty in the military. Had my uniform on. I'm with a little pack. We're all going about 75 on Freedom highway outside Eglin Air Force Base. I got. I know I get pulled over, and I just put my hands on the wheel and my window down. And when he came over, I just looked up and I said, what's the problem, Officer? And he was like, you know, you were speeding. And I was like, I don't know anything. You were exceeding speed limit. I said, sir, I was the last in a line of cars that were all. That all gave the appearance of going the same speed. So was I alone? He said, no, you're the one I pulled over. And I was like, oh, curses. Foiled again. And he said, I'm gonna give you a warning, but you need to slow down. You need to slow down. When you pull out of here, you slow down. I was like, thank you, Officer. And he walked away. And I was kind of giggling. Cause I thought I got out of a ticket and I took off. Now I've also been given a ticket, barely speeding over the limit. And the guy was a total jerk. But you know what I thought to myself? He's probably getting divorced. He's probably got real problems at work. He's got real problems. And he's, you know, he's not nice.

[Tim Pool]

Well, so.

[Stacey Washington]

But I'm not gonna be an asshole to him because he's being mean to me. I'm just gonna take my ticket or my warning or whatever and go home.

[Tim Pool]

The story that I've told is how I got my license suspended. I got two tickets in which I wasn't speeding. And so I'm pissed. I wasn't speeding, and I get pulled over, and they gave me tickets. And now I have no choice but to go through the system. And not a single individual in the system cares about who I am or what happened. The DA who's prosecuting me for driving on suspended licenses. I have no idea who you are. I don't care. And there's no way that I can say this is a BS Suspension. Doesn't care. The book says this. That was actually the only thing I related to in the Star in the Andor series where Cassian gets arrested and every Step of the way. They're just like, don't know, don't care. I'm just doing my job. That's the problem. The problem is not all police. The problem is I had two assholes and then the system is screwed up. But the system doesn't change when you just say, you know, cops are bad as individuals.

[Ian Crossland]

That's a big problem of humans in general. It's easy to scream about a problem. It's easy. And if you just do it over and over and then you start getting paid because you're a great loud screamer and you're very articulate. Was still good to supply a solution.

[Stacey Washington]

Is that right? The last season sucked. Did you see the last season?

[Tim Pool]

This was the. Oh, no, that was the first season, right?

[Stacey Washington]

Yeah, that was when it was still so well.

[Tim Pool]

But you didn't like the one where the white imperial was trying to rape the undocumented worker in the court. In the grain. In the wheat field.

[Stacey Washington]

Crap. That's what I'm saying. You know, it was. It was so good in the beginning.

[Tim Pool]

I. I did. Like how. Well, like the. The. The Empire staged a false flag. Like, I guess it's spoilers. I don't know. The season's been out for a little.

[Stacey Washington]

Bit, but if you haven't seen it by now. Are you even a fan?

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Stacey Washington]

Get it over with.

[Tim Pool]

Basically, the Empire intentionally foments rioting, hoping that like, essentially anti Empire, you know, leftists would call them. Yeah, riot. So that they can use that as justification for occupation.

[Stacey Washington]

So they want the stuff that's under the ground on that planet.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, there's a mineral. It's kyber.

[Stacey Washington]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And so they're like, this plant's got kyber. And the problem is, if we can't synthesize it, we are going to drill dangerously close to the core and the planet is. Will become uninhabitable. So they said, okay, well, there's rebel factions there that oppose us. Let's let them do their thing. And so they spy on them. The rebels attack a ship and steal a bunch of weapons. And they go, they attacked us and stole weapons. We have no choice but to occupy. Then they intentionally sent police out into the crowd of rioters, knowing the riders would attack them. And then when they did, they started shooting and killing. And there you go.

[Phil Labonte]

Imperial.

[Stacey Washington]

It's that they could have done so much more with that last season of Andor, since they knew it was the last season. Instead, we got two episodes a week, and they were like, basically only one episode plus a whole Lot of people walking around in the wind blowing. I needed more.

[Tim Pool]

Let's grab a couple more super chats. I know we missed a lot of YouTube. Joe Spinella says, per Rich Barrist, the facility they want to use a bunker buster on won't work as it is deeper underground at 90 meters and granite at that. The GB 57 can go 60. Trump is surrounded by establishment psychopaths as far as nukes. Yup. Sovereign fish as 20 for Ian finally pumping some life into the show. It's been a yawn fest since the election. Pray Ian whenever you need to get him back on the show permanently. Pay Ian. Whatever. That's the first time anyone's ever said that.

[Ian Crossland]

Thanks, man. I mean, kind of a sort of a dirty, dirty statement in general. No, no, I appreciate. Fuck yeah, dude, light it up.

[Tim Pool]

Well, look, hey, I got to be honest. I wouldn't mind being underwritten by the CIA. And if the cost is just to be in favor of every regime change war ever. Let me fill out the form.

[Ian Crossland]

I got your back.

[Stacey Washington]

It could be big money.

[Tim Pool]

See, Ian is actually our deep state shilling, so I can go, oh, whoa, Ian. I mean, whoa. You can't say that.

[Ian Crossland]

I usually subvert the subversion.

[Stacey Washington]

It's a double subvert.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, he looks like a hippie, but he's pro war.

[Ian Crossland]

It just looks like a double subversion. In the two dimensional state.

[Tim Pool]

He's also pro death penalty.

[Stacey Washington]

Still. Am I?

[Ian Crossland]

Hold on, I wasn't listening. Oh, in some circumstances for sure, but that's tough. This is where I. I adore councils of rulers. I don't think there should be one in charge because, like, who's going to decide if that guy lives or dies? It shouldn't be me. No one person should have that call, in my opinion.

[Phil Labonte]

Okay?

[Ian Crossland]

That's why we have courts and juries.

[Tim Pool]

All right, let's grab this. Sisyphus says, long before the Patriot Act, Thomas Jefferson deployed Marines to the Barbary coast without congressional approval.

[Phil Labonte]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

And they wrote a song about it. Yep.

[Ian Crossland]

They wrote a very.

[Tim Pool]

The Marines famous song about it.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. The Marine hymn From the Halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli.

[Tim Pool]

The Barbary dude, that story is so amazing. Barbary pirates kept sinking US Trade vessels. And he was like, please stop doing this. And they were like, no. And then he was like, I will raise your ships in your cities. And then formed the Marines and went and just obliterated them.

[Ian Crossland]

Jefferson. Yeah, that's the authoritarian I like.

[Tim Pool]

It's not authoritarian. It's defense.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm talking about.

[Tim Pool]

He begged. He. He begged them stop.

[Stacey Washington]

He did. He said, please.

[Tim Pool]

And there was something about where they said, like, because you're infidels, we can do whatever we want.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, wow.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Stacey Washington]

And he was like, infidels.

[Tim Pool]

Then I will raise.

[Ian Crossland]

I'll show you infidelity.

[Stacey Washington]

Right? He really. He. He was like, I'm nice until I'm not nice. So that's how we Americans are. We're nice until we're not.

[Ian Crossland]

You can love something that you destroy. You don't have to hate in order to destroy your enemy. You don't have to hate them. What you can love and still kill. If you're a marine or a warrior, you don't have to hate the thing you're destroying to make it right.

[Tim Pool]

SA Federale says, thoroughly loving the humor and real talk on this episode. Please do this again with the same panel. I had fun you're here.

[Stacey Washington]

Me too.

[Tim Pool]

Very fun.

[Stacey Washington]

I just lucked into meeting Tim Pool, you guys. And then I immediately texted my son and was like, you will never guess who I just met. He was like, mom, you text me that, like, once every six weeks. Where are you? And I was like, I'm at the White House. He starts sending these names, and I'm like, no, Tim Pool. And he was. He sent back the eyeball emojis. I was like, right. I actually met him.

[Tim Pool]

You see, Stacey was actually standing next to the seat when I was yelling at the press at that.

[Ian Crossland]

At that media day. Yeah. Yeah, that was great.

[Stacey Washington]

They hated him so. Well, it was great.

[Phil Labonte]

Perfect.

[Stacey Washington]

Yeah, it was good.

[Tim Pool]

Still do. The Daily show did a segment about it, like, two weeks ago.

[Ian Crossland]

It's like, gotta get Jordan Klepper up in the house.

[Tim Pool]

He's agreed.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, good. Okay.

[Tim Pool]

So we reached out to Klepper's people, and they're interested in doing a show with us.

[Stacey Washington]

Cool.

[Tim Pool]

And so I'm down.

[Stacey Washington]

Yeah, that's gonna be cool.

[Tim Pool]

All right, everybody, if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that, like, button? Share the show with everyone you know and grab the knob and turn it all the way up till you rip it off.

[Phil Labonte]

80S rock radio is back, boys and girl.

[Tim Pool]

You can follow me on X and Instagram. Timcast. Stacey, do you want to shout anything out?

[Stacey Washington]

I'm Stacy on the right. Everywhere. Whatever social media you're on, I'm on there. And I'm Stacy on the right. And you can listen to me at night. You know what? As soon as you get done listening to this, you can basically Turn on your SiriusXM app and listen to me. So thanks for having me. Tim, I thought I would like your wicked cool compound. It's a compound, guys, and it's pretty cool. I didn't see the chickens, but I'll trust you. Cause it's dark now. But yeah, cool. Thank you for having me.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm at Ian Crossland. You'll find me all over the Internet. Check my YouTube stuff out. I just did a livestream last night talking about Iran, the history of Iran. And do yourself a favor and check out a documentary on the history of the Iranian Shah. Just educate yourself. You want to understand. Whether you think of it as an enemy or a friend. You just understand what you're up against, which is that. So get familiar, get educated. See you later.

[Phil Labonte]

I am Phil. That remains on Twix. I'm filled. It remains official on Instagram. The band is all that remains. The new record is entitled Antifragile. You can check it out on YouTube, Apple Music, Amazon Music, Spotify, Pandora and Deezer. Don't forget the left lane is for crime.

[Tim Pool]

We're back with clips throughout the weekend and then we'll see you all on Monday. Thanks for hanging out. Marketing is hard, but I'll tell you a little secret. It doesn't have to be. Let me point something out. You're listening to a podcast right now and it's great. You love the host. You seek it out and download it. You listen to it while driving, working out, cooking, even going to the bathroom. Podcasts are a pretty close companion. And this is a podcast ad. Did I get your attention? You can reach great listeners like yourself with podcast advertising from Libsyn Ads. Choose from hundreds of top podcasts offering host endorsements, or run a pre produced ad like this one across thousands of shows. To reach your target audience in their favorite podcasts with Libsyn Ads Ads, go to libsynads. Com. That's L, I B S Y N Ads. Com. Today.