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Video LEAKS Of Woke Judge AIDING Criminal Alien ESCAPE, Claims IMMUNITY w/ James O'Keefe & Damani Felder
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Tim & Libby are joined by Damani Felder & James O'Keefe to discuss video leaks of a woke judge helping a criminal alien escape ICE, the DOJ slammed for doing nothing about the Epstein files, Trump DOJ releasing the James O'Keefe affidavit, and...
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Tim Pool
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Tim Pool
Issued by Sutton bank members. FDIC terms and conditions apply. The video has been released, My friends, that judge that helped that criminal alien escape. Yeah, they. They got the video footage and it's been publicly released, which is surprising considering there's a criminal case going on. But I don't know how she's actually going to argue she's not guilty because she's on camera. So sneaking out a criminal alien. And so while it's one thing when the government issues a criminal charge, you get a grand jury indictment. We say, well, you know, innocent until proven guilty. Unless you have video footage of it that, well, at least for now, is reported, that it's not AI or anything like that. So we'll talk about that. There's a lot of news this weekend, my friends. I was not here. I was not here. So if it's. If it's not new to you, it is new to me. And we'll talk about whatever we've got, that we've got news about, AI stuff we have. James o' Keefe is joining us to talk about what's going on with. With him. And I'll. I'll leave it. I'll leave it to you, James, to say, you know, exactly what's going on, because I don't want to speak out of turn. And so we'll talk about that, plus, you know, a bunch of other stories. I guess it's kind of a slow news week. I know that there was the increase in far left terror that we've been looking at. There was the assassination of those embassy workers. So pretty scary stuff. But we'll just get into what we got right before this Memorial week, Memorial weekend kicks off and you guys go for your happy three day weekend. Is that. That's what we say now, right? Happy three. Enjoy your three day weekend.
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Libby Emmons
I thought we said respect the brave. And you know.
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Tim Pool
Oh, I, you know, I was following Kamala.
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Libby Emmons
Oh, okay.
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Tim Pool
Right.
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Libby Emmons
I wasn't doing that.
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Tim Pool
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Damani Felder
Tim. Thanks for having me. It's good to be here.
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Tim Pool
Who are you? What do you do?
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Damani Felder
So I'm a digital content creator from the north Houston area. I started lending my voice to the political space almost ten years ago now. I started to realize the seismic shift taking place in polite society, and I realized that I had an opportunity to actually lend my voice to the cause and do some good in the world. So I started. Had no idea where to start. But I've been able to build that myself on several platforms. The Damani Felder on X. The Damani Felder on TikTok. Damani Bryant Felder on Facebook and on YouTube. I have a small presence as well, but I'm just here. I'm a pursuer of truth. I'm grateful and honored to be here and looking forward to this conversation.
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Tim Pool
Right on. And of course, the man himself, James o' Keefe, love.
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James O'Keefe
Hello, Tim.
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Tim Pool
Thanks for coming, man.
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James O'Keefe
Great to be here. I've got a lot to say, mostly about the events of Epstein and Project Veritas and releasing this film about what happened inside Veritas.
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Tim Pool
Yeah, man. You've been putting out these videos from inside the buildings at Epstein Island. This is the first time anyone's seen any of this stuff.
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James O'Keefe
That's correct.
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Tim Pool
Oh, it's getting crazy.
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James O'Keefe
Getting crazy.
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Tim Pool
Well, we do. What we definitely got to talk about. It's gone as Veritas stuff because I don't know how much you can say just yet, but you put out a video where the Veritas logo was behind you.
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James O'Keefe
Yeah, I want to dive. I want to dive into all that on your show.
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Tim Pool
All right, we will. We will. And Libby's hanging out.
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Libby Emmons
I'm Libby Emmons. I'm here hanging out. Glad to be here with you guys.
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Tim Pool
We'll just get started with some light news before we get into heavy stuff, I suppose we have this story from the New York Post, which I found particularly interesting. Wisconsin Judge Hannah Dugan seen sneaking illegal migrant out of court after distracting ICE agents. New video shows. So this video contentious. I suppose Democrats are arguing that Trump's going after his political opponents. But here you go. Here's just, you know, you can watch.
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Damani Felder
Quote, despite having been advised of the administrative war for the arrest of Flores Ruiz, Judge Dugan escorted Flores Ruiz and his counsel out of the, quote, jury door not open to the public. In the video, it appears one federal agent hangs back in the hallway and followed Flores Ruiz onto an elevator.
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Tim Pool
Whoa. And then they pursued him and he ran off. So I don't know, I thought this was interesting because now we're officially in the we know for a fact she did it territory. Allegations at this point are now facts. I suppose.
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Libby Emmons
She was indicted by a federal grand jury.
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Tim Pool
True. And that's why I'm saying I think the video is more important because an indictment is a, hey, guys, you know, innocent until proven guilty. I think video puts it beyond a reasonable doubt as far as I'm concerned. And we see her actually doing it. Her argument is she's immune from prosecution.
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Libby Emmons
Yeah, that's not true. When you break the law. I don't think you're immune from prosecution when you're a judge who's. Now, what's amazing about this too is he was in court for. On domestic violence charges. And the victims, you know, waiting for their own justice, just sat there and watched as he was walked out of court through the jury door. Non public door. And then. Yeah, like the video shows, you had an agent going down, down in the elevator with him. And then they actually had to engage in a foot chase. So she put law enforcement at danger as well.
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Tim Pool
What's going on in this country right now? Right, so with, with, with stories like this, the lawlessness has reached the highest levels of state governments, the federal government, with the Biden DOJ going after people. This is just another example of the lawlessness. James, you were targeted by the Biden doj, and then what happens? I think, I think you won in the end or how did that.
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James O'Keefe
Well, since I was on your show last, the FBI dropped the case in February, March or so. They gave me back my phones, but they released the affidavit. The probable ca. That was. When you, when you get a search warrant, you have to, you have to release the probable cause. They redacted every single word, Every single word of the probable cause. It's a big black lines. So, you know, I think what's happening is institutions have become systemically corrupt, Systemically corrupt at all levels. And people say, oh, you know, you know, call Cash, call, call, call. Pam. Like I'm supposed to, I'm supposed to call the number one person at the top of the entire pyramid. To have any semblance of. That's how you know the system's really broken when everyone's solution is to do that.
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Tim Pool
And I think people need to understand that even if Cash, Pam, or Dan are at the top, they're still looking down at this entire field of corruption.
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James O'Keefe
Of bureaucracy and corruption.
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Tim Pool
Absolutely. And so the corruption's entrenched, and we'll utilize the bureaucracy to make sure that they don't have to move.
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James O'Keefe
Correct. And even if you're an incredibly ethical and moral leader, you can't. You can't be on top of that entrenched bureaucracy and corruption. But this is great because you have her on video. This is what we talk about at o' Keefe Media Group. Incontrovertible evidence. Not circumstantial evidence or hearsay, but she's actually on video doing it.
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Tim Pool
Right. So, you know, I was obviously out for the past few days, but I was still following the news, of course. And then I'm riding in a car when I hear about these Israeli staffers who are shot and killed. And the story that's since come out with the details is substantially worse than the initial reporting. Right. That the guy, as she's. The young woman, is crawling away to try and escape. He's shooting her, then he reloads while screaming.
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Libby Emmons
He reloads and keeps shooting her.
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Tim Pool
Yeah. And, you know, to me, it feels like, you know, just Jesse Waters called it Summer of Love 2.0 already because of the amount of violence we've already had. It's not even summer yet. And we've had with the Tesla firebombs. We had to be fair. The assassination was last year. But still, since Trump got reelected, we've had street violence, protests, Tesla attacks. We've got now these two assassinations. We have members of the judiciary violating the law. If these institutions are systemically corrupt, like what happens in the next 10 years.
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Damani Felder
Well, this is the Democrat playbook, really, when you stop and think about it. They always say no one is above the law until they're not. When the shoe's on the other side.
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Tim Pool
Until it's them.
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Damani Felder
Yeah, exactly. Until it's them. And this is the Democrat playbook. Now, they are going to literally use the textbook definition of terrorism, which is the unlawful use of violence to intimidate or harass, typically for political gain. That's what they're doing. It's very easy to see, but it's ridiculous. The hoops that they jump through to try to justify their behavior, you know, and they will go to bat for These individuals, they went to bat for Luigi Mangione, or they go to bat for so many of the worst in their own side and then wonder why they begin to start hemorrhaging that public support.
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Tim Pool
Well, for now, I mean, it feels like, you know, just for people who are wondering where I was that few days, I was actually in L. A hanging out. Bill Maher, actually just hanging out for a couple hours, flew out. It's. It's nuts flying to L. A. So it's like it's one whole day to get there because you lose, you lose hours. I land, I go to bed, then I wake up and we get ready. Basically just do nothing for a few hours, get ready, and then in the evening we do the show, and then I immediately fly back and take a whole nother day. But talking with him about these things, the one thing that he agreed with me, and I guess the episode's coming out on the weekend, I don't know when is that the only. I've said this quite a bit. What makes you left or right is not what policies you want, but what you believe is true. To which he agreed. And he obviously thinks things that are not true, in my opinion. And I told him that and, you know, he was all right, it was cool, it wasn't super contentious. But the issue that I see is, as this hyperpolarization continues, you've got judges who say who. Who believe they're justified in going after people because those people are evil. You've got, you know, James, you are the example I use when it comes to media like Wikipedia, in fabricating reality to attack someone on ideological grounds. And in 10 years, the boomers who are more chilling, like, we don't want to fight. And they're largely the people who have the view like, ah, no one wants to fight. There's not going to be any conflicts, not going to happen. The younger generations are like Hasan watching Hasan Piker, who, you know, gets as close as you can to calls for violence without directly telling people to do it. And now we can see what happens when that culture and that rhetoric expands. Is it going to stop?
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Libby Emmons
Well, we did have. In 2020, there wasn't that much gun violence. There were two teenagers shot in the autonomous zone. There was Aaron Danielson shot in Seattle by the antifa guy, Michael Reinhold. There was another gentleman who actually shot himself. There was David Dorn who was killed. There were 31 people killed altogether in violence that summer. But we didn't see, other than Aaron Danielson, we didn't see like direct execution style shooting? I think so. That is a new development in the leftist playbook.
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Damani Felder
I think they're only going to get more and more bold. They're grasping at straws for something to rally around. They desperately need some sort of martyr to coalesce their base around. They had George Floyd in 2020 and they've had other individuals, you know, the most recent years, but now it seems they're in an identity crisis mode. They need to find something to hang their hat on and do it quickly.
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Libby Emmons
Do you think it's going to be this Palestinian thing?
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Damani Felder
It very well might be. It depends on how long it plays out. Because obviously we know the attention spans are not what they used to be. So who knows if what we're talking about today they're cheering for it happens.
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Tim Pool
Tomorrow, they're cheering for it and calling for more. There's already several prominent thought leaders, whatever you want to call them on the left, who are saying that they're happy with what happened and people should expect more and they're saying as much as they can without telling someone to go and do it. So if the attitude is largely of these prominent individuals, ha ha, you see what you get. Same thing they said after October 7th. And again, I don't care about the US should not be involved in whatever it is that Israel's involved in. I don't care about that. But people have lost their minds over this issue. If right now the left is clapping and cheering and celebrating this and they are not literally everybody, there's gonna be a bunch of liberals and moderates who are like, we don't want anything to do with this. But the principal youth left, the progressives, they're happy about it.
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Libby Emmons
Well, and you had the New York Times come out with an article saying pro Palestinian movement faces an uncertain path after DC Attack.
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Tim Pool
Wow.
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Libby Emmons
Like that's their takeaway. That's what the New York Times is worried about. They're worried about the success of this movement after that. And you have another part of this movement, Unity of Fields, posted on X. And they're one of the groups that is involved with the campus protests from what I understand. And they said the actually paying the price are Palestinians facing genocide, et cetera, et cetera. Elias Rodriguez is now a political prisoner and the people defending him the hardest, like us, are also facing repression. He literally went out into the street and executed people, one of whom is an American girl from Kansas. And it's in service to what? A dispute in a foreign nation about borders. Like, what does that have to do with anything. And now we have the Intifada, globalized on the streets of our nation's capital. That has got to come to an end. We can't have that.
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Tim Pool
I. So, look, the. The big issue, I suppose, culturally, the narrative that's come out is Hasan Piker is to blame for this. He's one of the most prominent leftist dreamers, if not the most prominent. And you had on CNN the guy from ADL saying, don't platform people like him? You've had other people now surfacing clips from Hasan where he's saying, you know as much as you can without telling people to actually do it. He's not going anywhere. He's going to keep saying what he wants to say. And I don't mean to single him out, but a lot of people on the left are. There was one guy, I guess, that Hasan was doing a show with, and they were debating, I'm not going to say his name, but he put out tweets saying it's. He said something like, the only reason they keep doing this because you let them. And then he followed up with, it's easy to buy a gun in my business. Right. That. That rhetoric is not going to stop. You know, there are people who constantly say to me, oh, it's normal. Who cares? Nothing's gonna happen. And I'm like, just tell me why anybody backs off. If they're celebrating this and cheering for it and calling for more, why would it stop?
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Libby Emmons
Yeah, I don't see how it would. Elias Rodriguez apparently declared that he had a gun in his checked bags when he took his flight from Chicago to D.C. and it looks like he came with the express purpose of doing this kind of violence. He, like, bought a ticket to the event, I think.
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Tim Pool
Wow.
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Damani Felder
Yeah, there's just no fear of repercussions anymore. There's no fear of repercussions on their side. I mean, and we know what the intent is. But they will march right up to that line. James, I know you've seen this happen plenty of times yourself. They will get as close as they can. That's why James Comey had the picture that he posted. Right. I'm not gonna come out and say it, but I understand what the intent could be. And I think that's where we're at as a society is the left is gonna march up to that line, but then hope that someone is just radicalized enough to essentially do their dirty work for them.
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Tim Pool
Mm, indeed. Let's jump to this next story, though. So we have this from the Washington Times. And I love how this is. This is framed. This one's just for you, James. DOJ should be doing what James o' Keefe is doing regarding Jeffrey Epstein.
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James O'Keefe
Frame that one. I mean, we are releasing, you know, Pam Bondi to come out and say there are tens of thousands of little child videos. Did you see that?
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Tim Pool
Yeah. Yeah, but that's. That's only because you caught her.
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James O'Keefe
We caught her and. And then we reached out to her office for comment, and then she went out and said, almost verbatim, what we caught her saying in a restaurant.
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Tim Pool
And that was it. There are tens of thousands of videos of Jeffrey Epstein with children.
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James O'Keefe
Little child porn videos, apparently. And all this evidence. And as far as I know, the FBI, the doj, hasn't released anything. Right. They released some binders a few months back. I don't know what that was all about, but. So we've started. O' Keeffe Media started releasing video and images of inside his library, inside his temple, some weird, cryptic messages, some strange statues.
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Tim Pool
And how were you able to get access to this? Are you.
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James O'Keefe
Can you say a source inside the government?
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Tim Pool
Wow.
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Libby Emmons
Oh, my goodness.
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James O'Keefe
You're a reporter.
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Libby Emmons
Yeah.
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James O'Keefe
You know how it works. But what's interesting is that the people trust, you know, us versus their own FBI.
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Libby Emmons
Well, we've been covering your videos on the Epstein stuff at the Post Millennial, and readers are reading it up.
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James O'Keefe
Yeah, I got some heat from publishing this because people wanted names. They wanted something more severe. And I think we'll get there. But. But the sources, Tim, they. They don't trust the government, obviously. So that's a pretty cool headline. I like that headline. I just wanted to. I don't know if you're a producer or something, could pull up this affidavit in the show, but that. This is how much I don't trust the FBI. Okay. The probable cause. They redacted every single word of the reason they used to raid my newsroom. Every single word. And that's just a raid of a newsroom. I don't. I don't have a lot of faith. You know what everyone's asking me this week, by the way? I don't know how to answer. This is. What do you think of Cash and Bungino saying that Epstein didn't kill himself? Everyone's asked me that question.
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Tim Pool
Or how about that there's no there there in the Trump assassination plot.
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James O'Keefe
Well, that. Well, that's another. Another one.
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Tim Pool
Yeah.
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James O'Keefe
But particularly. But particularly Cash and Bongino. Do you have a thought on that? The reaction I Mean, I have plenty.
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Tim Pool
I mean, one is that they're giving you the official FBI line because that's as the FBI, all they can give you.
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James O'Keefe
That's what they were given to say.
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Tim Pool
Not, not that someone told him to say it, but that they open up a file, it's got nothing in it. And so what's the official position of the FBI? I don't. I think in terms of investigating Epstein and potential criminals, the challenge that Dan and Cash are gonna face is that if they come out and say things that are not backed up by evidence within the, within the FBI, it can compromise their prosecutions in the future. So they're between a rock and a hard place. They have to give you the generic government response, even if you know. So it's hard to know, are they, do they have a metaphorical gun to their heads blocking them from doing this or are they basically saying behind the scenes, if we went out and told people what we actually thought was going on, it could compromise our investigation.
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James O'Keefe
Do you think that they should, the FBI or the DOJ should release some materials?
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Tim Pool
Do you?
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James O'Keefe
What do you think about that?
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Tim Pool
Yes, but the challenge is if there are a bunch of co conspirators, what can they release that would not give them a legal out? If they then say the federal government released information that was prejudicial and now I can't get a fair chance, they.
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James O'Keefe
Can'T interrupt an active investigation, so forth and so on.
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Tim Pool
I honestly don't think that's the case though. That's devil's advocate. That's saying, like, why would. No, I think the reality is there are prominent princes and foreign corporate interests who are implicated by these documents. And here's one simple guess. Couple Saudi princes went to Epstein island, they're implicated in this and they say, in our country this is legal and normal, we didn't do anything wrong in your country, the stock will drop, people refuse to do business with us, they will demand sanctions, they will demand we sever ties and then we're gonna pump oil and destroy the petrodollar.
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Libby Emmons
Right. And they, and Trump just had that great Middle east trip where he got an 11 point bounce in the polls from that as well.
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Tim Pool
So.
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Damani Felder
Right.
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Tim Pool
Massive. What if Trump goes to them and says if we release the Epstein stuff, these nations are going to go against us and it's going to destroy these trade deals. What do you do?
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James O'Keefe
I don't think the people of this country are going to stop talking about this. It's been five, six years, right? Their people are angry, furious, I get asked this question all day, every day in the Panera Bread, close to your studio guy. Hey, James o' Keefe, what'd you think about Dan Bongino and Cash, but literally two hours ago, near your facility here? I think it's up to the citizens, the citizen journalists, people like yourself as well, to do the reporting. We have a role to play. Right. The fourth estate, as they. As they say to. To bring the information forward. But anyways, yes. Epstein's. Epstein's Island. Very strange.
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Tim Pool
James, in. Strange in several years ago, you got that video of the ABC reporter saying that we had the Epstein story. We had it. And that ABC shut it down.
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James O'Keefe
Amy Robach. Yes.
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Tim Pool
And that was. I believe that was. That was when you were with veritas.
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James O'Keefe
It was 2019. Yes.
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Tim Pool
And then you had. Wow, I can't believe it's been six years since then. It's crazy. You know, I just gotta say we've. It's now been. And let's just be fair, four months. So we got to give them time, I suppose. I don't feel good about what Cash and Dan are saying.
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James O'Keefe
What do you think the probability if Kamala Harris was the president of the United States, that someone like me would have been indicted by now?
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Tim Pool
Two seconds. Two seconds.
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James O'Keefe
What's the over under now? The devil's now the devil advocate to that is. It takes time to build a case. We don't want fake raids. We don't want, you know. But it does raise questions. No one's held accountable for anything. I'm held accountable. I've been arrested, raided, sued, audited. I'm held accountable. And I'm a reporter. So what? Why. Why isn't anybody held accountable for anything?
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Tim Pool
Well, to be fair, I don't think they're holding you to account.
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James O'Keefe
What's that?
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Tim Pool
They're not holding you accountable.
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James O'Keefe
The powers that be.
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Tim Pool
They're not holding you accountable. They're attacking you.
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James O'Keefe
Well, there's an overlap because the new. When they raided me, that they leaked all my messages, you know, to various.
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Tim Pool
What? What? The idea that you're being held accountable would imply that you did something wrong.
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James O'Keefe
Well, it means that if I, you know, that I've done nothing wrong because evidently they don't have anything on me. But I get your point. Yeah, but I mean, in America, we believe in this right to a speedy trial, that justice. There's a. There's a speed to justice. Going back to your original question, that when you started your show, I think when you believe justice is based upon what people believe versus reality. What is true, that's when you risk losing your mind. When there's no justice, when there's no equality before the law, when the judge is sneaking, the breaking the law, that's when you start losing your mind. And I hope that we're wrong about that. I hope that there is justice. I think the people of this country have no faith in the system, and I've been accused of things I haven't done. Tim. It's like hell on earth when you're falsely accused of a felony. I mean, with January 6th, people were falsely accused. At least there was a colorable crime. In my case, with the diary, it was like, are you kidding me?
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Libby Emmons
Are you talking about something like the other day, the trial. The trial tax?
- [24:57]
Tim Pool
Yeah.
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Libby Emmons
Yeah. That's like what they were trying to put James through.
- [25:00]
James O'Keefe
Well, the.
- [25:01]
Libby Emmons
Like force you into a trial.
- [25:02]
Tim Pool
No, the trial tax is if someone commits a crime, the prosecutors say, we want you to take a plea bargain and go away. If you don't, we will seek a greater penalty.
- [25:15]
Libby Emmons
I see. Okay.
- [25:16]
Tim Pool
And it's called the trial tax, meaning you pay more if you ask for a jury trial. The argument they give is, you clearly are not remorseful for your crime, so you need greater punishment.
- [25:25]
James O'Keefe
Right.
- [25:25]
Libby Emmons
Gotcha.
- [25:26]
Tim Pool
But these. I'm going to say it first, and I'm curious what you guys think. I do not believe Dan and Cash will arrest any of the corrupt Democrats or officials who attack Trump or not. I think it's too politically terrifying. It's scary. It's very scary.
- [25:42]
James O'Keefe
So they're scared?
- [25:43]
Tim Pool
Yeah.
- [25:43]
James O'Keefe
Scared of what?
- [25:46]
Tim Pool
You know, it's fascinating because Dan gave up so much for this position that it's hard to believe that he, of all people, would be scared. But I think there is a beast for whose belly we do not know what is inside of. And it's easy to say on the outside, there's nothing to fear. But I don't know, man.
- [26:05]
James O'Keefe
I'm curious what it is that they fear. That's an interesting point.
- [26:09]
Tim Pool
There's a really easy one. A guy shows up to your office with a picture of your daughter and a man standing behind her and says, you will do nothing to upset us.
- [26:18]
James O'Keefe
Interesting.
- [26:19]
Tim Pool
And then they just go, oh, what do I do? And they were like, we have more power than you could imagine. You will not put us in prison. You will not come after us. And it could be some fat bureaucrat being like, we will. Like, you have seen what we've tried to do. What do you think we're capable of doing that you Are not.
- [26:36]
James O'Keefe
Do you think they put everyone in a skiff? A secure compartmentalized information facility, and when they get in that, I mean, the office up there, and they show the film of the Zapruder, JFK getting shot, and they say, you better do what we say.
- [26:50]
Tim Pool
I think it's. I. The way I've explained it is Trump gets elected. And then they're like, Mr. President, you have a one o' clock meeting with, you know, CIA. And he's like, okay. The guy walks in and goes, Mr. President, it's a pleasure to meet you. And he pulls out a manila folder, it's flat. And he opens it up with a single picture of JFK and slides it across the table and says, thank you for your time, and walks out.
- [27:08]
James O'Keefe
Something like that, yep.
- [27:10]
Damani Felder
I feel like there's so much frustration from a lot of people on the right because we've known a lot of information for quite some time now. We were talking about a new story from six years ago. And the fear is the longer this clock is allowed to run out, the greater the likelihood that individuals will not see the justice meted out against them that they should. And I think that's why people are so pent up now, because, okay, we have a, essentially second chance with Trump's second term. But then what happens in the aftermath? What happens in 2026 if we lose the House or the Senate? And that's what we have to do things now. And that's why people are demanding, we want answers and we want names as quickly as possible.
- [27:46]
Tim Pool
I don't think it's gonna happen. I think right now we're in the administrative battle and Trump's goal is we have to make sure we win. Only thing that matters is we hold this power for the next X amount of years. If we lose in the midterms, we can't do anything. If they launch investigations today, then they lose. In 2028, those investigations are gone, pardons are issued, overturned, and with the seat of power, they'll claim Trump fabricated evidence and it was all fake, and then start arresting people on the right. The most important thing then is going to be gutting Doge. Cutting these schemes to funnel money to various political groups, making sure at deporting illegal immigrants. Then the census comes up. It's a five year plan for now, seven years to the next election after 2028, I'm saying, and make sure the Democrats lose their fake electoral votes from illegal immigrants, get rid of their money funnel through these. You know, Lee Zeldin found these epa, slush funds and also USAID and then have the DOGE cuts go through. This secures the power. Then in a few years you go after the corruption when your power, when your state is secured.
- [28:55]
Libby Emmons
Usaid. Marco Rubio testified before the Senate the other day and said that 12 cents of every dollar spent by USAID actually went to the intended recipients. $0.12 on the dollar.
- [29:06]
Damani Felder
Wow.
- [29:07]
Libby Emmons
Wow, that's craziness.
- [29:09]
Tim Pool
I think they were largely using that in the EPA slush fund to help get Democrats elected.
- [29:14]
Libby Emmons
Plus the U.S. institutes for Peace. They were taking whatever they had left over in their budget and putting it into an account just for themselves. And they had $13 million of taxpayer money in that account and they were using it for flights and whatever else they felt like spending.
- [29:31]
James O'Keefe
So people that join these agencies and, and go to dc, do they really? Most of them. I mean, the vast majority of them don't seem to care about the mission. They just want to have power and, and the sinecure.
- [29:44]
Libby Emmons
I mean, these jobs, it's hard to get fired. Look, I mean, as soon as the government tries to fire you, you bring it to a judge and the judge is like, give this guy his job back. You can just have this job, get your raises, work from home, do whatever, take trips on the taxpayer dime and your job is protected. You know, these government unions, well, they have a stronghold as well.
- [30:05]
Tim Pool
They put the judges in for this purpose.
- [30:07]
Libby Emmons
Right. That's what they did.
- [30:08]
Tim Pool
They have created an entrenched bureaucracy.
- [30:09]
Libby Emmons
Yeah, Biden appointed them.
- [30:10]
James O'Keefe
But people in dc, they just want power, most of them. Right.
- [30:15]
Libby Emmons
Either that or they just want to be left alone.
- [30:17]
James O'Keefe
So doing the right thing often is anathema or runs contrary. Like, I'm really interested in your point about fear. What are they afraid of?
- [30:25]
Tim Pool
Dan Bongino.
- [30:26]
James O'Keefe
Like we need Dan Bongino or Kash Patel to be whistleblowers. They need to tell the absolute truth, don't they?
- [30:32]
Tim Pool
Well, I think. I don't think Cash has kids.
- [30:37]
James O'Keefe
I don't know.
- [30:38]
Tim Pool
He might. Does he?
- [30:39]
Libby Emmons
I'm not sure.
- [30:40]
Tim Pool
I know. Dan does, doesn't he? I think this is the easiest path to.
- [30:44]
Libby Emmons
I think he has a daughter.
- [30:45]
Tim Pool
Yeah, the easiest path. It's just like that book, Tales from an Economic Hitman. They go to conjures and say, we'll make you rich beyond your wildest dreams. The leader says, not interested. They say, okay. Then they say, we're going to fund your opposition. He blocks them and say, okay, you still win. We're going to come and get you. And then they go in for the Assassinations for an individual. They'll come to you and say, we'll make your rich. We'll make you rich beyond your wildest dreams. You say, no. Then they say, okay, we're going to censor you and get you banned. If not, your daughter dies.
- [31:15]
James O'Keefe
I've got another one for you. The FBI, you know, arrests someone on my team and says, please lie about James O' Keefe or you won't see your children for 10 years.
- [31:25]
Tim Pool
That's right.
- [31:26]
James O'Keefe
Now, most 99.999% of people will lie to. People think the devil does this thing that it does. It's really about just keeping your children fed.
- [31:37]
Tim Pool
This is exactly what I've tried to explain to people.
- [31:39]
James O'Keefe
And safe.
- [31:40]
Tim Pool
They believe the deal with the devil, because of movies and tv, is that he comes to you and says, listen to me. You will have the finest cars, the most delicious wine. You will be a king. Do a deal with the devil, sign this pact, and I'll make you a rock star. That was never the deal with the devil. The devil was not a good person seeking to enrich you and reward you for the. For the deeds you did in serving him. The devil came to you and said, the deal is your children will die or you will be my slave. And everyone takes the deal.
- [32:10]
Damani Felder
That's a tough position.
- [32:11]
James O'Keefe
And in the Soviet Union, Alexander Solzhenitsyn wrote that it somehow would have to decide whether it was even a good idea to have children at all, because you were always put in this position. And it's a terrifying, horrible notion.
- [32:24]
Tim Pool
And they'll always say to you, listen, spend time with your kid. Leave the craziness to other people. And everyone says yes.
- [32:34]
Libby Emmons
And then everyone says that they're resigning to spend more time with their family.
- [32:37]
Tim Pool
That's right.
- [32:37]
Damani Felder
They appeal to those base.
- [32:39]
Tim Pool
And then the sociopaths who don't care about family and think they're smarter, better, and all the other things are like, this is an easy game.
- [32:47]
James O'Keefe
I think we've just diagnosed the problem pretty well, actually, and it's an institutional pathology. But there are a few brave people out there, and I think Cash and Dan need to tell the absolute truth within the bounds of the law.
- [33:00]
Tim Pool
Maybe they are.
- [33:01]
James O'Keefe
Maybe they are.
- [33:02]
Tim Pool
And that's. That's the other issue, too, that I think is fair, that Dan's literally, You know, Dan and Cash came out and said, there's no there there in the assassination. And, you know, the. Epstein. Epstein. Can you.
- [33:12]
James O'Keefe
Can you pull this up? I sent this to your producer. Can they. Could you see this Ridiculous clown show.
- [33:16]
Tim Pool
Yeah.
- [33:17]
James O'Keefe
I want your audience to see this. It's on page 47. The FBI just released this about.
- [33:21]
Tim Pool
Hold on a minute. Hold on a minute. Yeah, this is. This is the Trump. This is the Trump doj.
- [33:28]
James O'Keefe
That's correct. So I watched. Dan, can your audience see this?
- [33:31]
Tim Pool
Yeah.
- [33:32]
James O'Keefe
Okay. You are looking at. For those of you who aren't familiar with criminal procedure or didn't go to law school, when. When the FBI executes a search warrant, they have to go to a judge, a federal judge, and they have to get it signed off. They have to present the reasons, why do we want to raid your home with the battering ram and all that. In my case, they dropped the case. There was no crime. There was no charges. So the courts require them release the affidavit. That is the probable cause justifying the search of James o' Keefe's house. You are looking at the Trump Justice Department's release. Look at this. Look at this. This is the. This is the probable. Wait, wait, wait, wait. They didn't redact something on the bottom. Go back. Go Back to page 40.
- [34:13]
Tim Pool
40. Based on my training and experience, I have learned, among other things, that cel capable of sending and receiving emails, like the aforementioned emails.
- [34:19]
James O'Keefe
Are you.
- [34:19]
Tim Pool
Are you effing?
- [34:21]
James O'Keefe
Are you effing kidding me?
- [34:23]
Damani Felder
Wow.
- [34:24]
James O'Keefe
This is this.
- [34:24]
Tim Pool
Wait, hold on. James, Is that true that phones can receive emails?
- [34:28]
James O'Keefe
I guess phones can receive emails, Tim.
- [34:30]
Tim Pool
Wow.
- [34:31]
James O'Keefe
So they even redacted the little. The little footnotes in the sentences. They redacted the numbers. Now, this is. This is not child porn or Epstein. This is not Afghanistan drug traffickers. This is a newsroom being raided by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. And the United States of America can't release one word of the reason why they did it after admitting there was no crime.
- [35:02]
Libby Emmons
Yeah.
- [35:02]
James O'Keefe
And you expect me to have faith in this Department of Justice?
- [35:07]
Tim Pool
So this, again, this is the DOJ under Donald Trump, and this is what they put out.
- [35:12]
James O'Keefe
Correct.
- [35:13]
Tim Pool
So Dan Cash or Pam could unredact it and send it to you.
- [35:16]
James O'Keefe
The Attorney General of the United States has the authority to unredact this.
- [35:19]
Tim Pool
So what is in it?
- [35:21]
James O'Keefe
Call Pam. Call Cash. It's like an infomercial. These people have get asked 10,000 favors a day. I'm not. I'm not going to ask if the system of justice depends upon us asking favors. I don't think the system works.
- [35:36]
Tim Pool
Oh, wait, wait, here's.
- [35:37]
James O'Keefe
I think it's.
- [35:38]
Libby Emmons
It should be just administration of justice. Yes, it should be justice.
- [35:42]
James O'Keefe
It should be about doing the right Thing. And lost in America is doing is any semblance of doing any right and wrong. So favors, power, money, cronyism, kleptocracy.
- [35:55]
Tim Pool
These documents you posted, there are other pages they gave you, because this is page.
- [35:59]
James O'Keefe
This is a public document. This is a public proceeding.
- [36:01]
Tim Pool
Right, but this is page 43.
- [36:02]
James O'Keefe
That's because that's the probable cause. That's the most important part, the reason for the raid. This is called an affidavit.
- [36:09]
Tim Pool
It's.
- [36:10]
James O'Keefe
It's what you. The FBI goes to a magistrate judge when you get the raid.
- [36:14]
Tim Pool
And so.
- [36:15]
James O'Keefe
And if you look at these three pages, this is the probable cause section. Keep going.
- [36:18]
Tim Pool
Yeah, they're all gone.
- [36:19]
James O'Keefe
Every single word is redact. Keep going. You go.
- [36:22]
Tim Pool
That was it.
- [36:23]
James O'Keefe
That's it.
- [36:23]
Tim Pool
So here's the funny thing, though. On the first one, number 46, before the probable cause has a number redacted, right? Yes. Okay. But they didn't react at the bottom, so we know it's number 17. I don't understand the point of redacting the number up top and at the bottom, because we know what it is.
- [36:40]
James O'Keefe
I guess they were sloppy and inconsistent on that. Yes, but you get to. You see, my. My larger point, Tim, this is a clown show. This is. This is preposterous. This is ridiculous.
- [36:49]
Tim Pool
How could Dan Bongino of all people be compromised?
- [36:53]
James O'Keefe
And I'm just gonna be honest with you. I'm not gonna burn anyone, but I've reached out to the office, White House, Office of Council. I'll help you. I'll help you. I'll help you. I'll help you. I don't even like that I have to ask for favors, because if I'm just a normal Joe Taxpayer, this stuff happens every day in. This is a disgrace.
- [37:10]
Libby Emmons
Well, this stuff was happening to J6ers too.
- [37:12]
James O'Keefe
Absolutely.
- [37:13]
Libby Emmons
They were just normal people.
- [37:15]
James O'Keefe
Normal people.
- [37:15]
Damani Felder
Well, it's funny. I was talking to some friends of mine, or here, local to the area, like Matt and Olivia, their names. They run their own show, like Don't Unfriend Me. And one of the things that they do is they talk to their local community and they say, what do you think about the Dan Bongino Cash Patel situation? We were talking about this earlier today at lunch and we were talking about. We don't know what. We don't. People are tired of not knowing if this is what the DOJ is going to do. If this is their idea of transparency, then I'm sorry, but we are at an impasse as far as what the Definition of transparency actually is we, the American people, we actually demand answers and real transparency, it's not that hard to deliver.
- [37:50]
Tim Pool
So again, when people say, or if I say, I do not believe that Dan Boncino, Cash Patel or Pam Bondi are actually going to arrest the corrupt Democrats who are say, going after Trump's lawyers or falsely prosecuting him in New York and they say, why do you think that? I just point to James o' Keefe.
- [38:06]
James O'Keefe
That's all you got? That's exactly why I shared. I speak a lot about my personal experiences because it's factual. I mean, Tim, that's the evidence right there for Epstein. They can't even give you the. I mean, I just want to repeat myself. I apologize, I'm being repetitive. They can't even unredact one word of the probable cause for their illegal raid of my newsroom.
- [38:33]
Tim Pool
To be fair, it would be, it would be funny if of and the were unredacted. That's the only thing in it.
- [38:39]
James O'Keefe
I mean, well, I'm going to sue the Department of Justice. So, you know, I'm going to sue, I'm going to go to the Article 3 Judge, that's the federal judge. I have to go through this whole process, pay lawyers a thousand dollars an hour. You know who wins in all this? Everyone.
- [38:48]
Libby Emmons
Yeah, the lawyers.
- [38:49]
James O'Keefe
Lawyers. The lawyers win because actually the more I lose, the more we lose, the January six people, everyone, the more the pleadings, the filings, the more they win because they get paid $1,000 an hour. It's a kleptocracy. It's a disgrace. I'm sorry, I'm getting a little black pilled, more so than when I first met you.
- [39:09]
Tim Pool
To be fair, this is just after Trump got in. So this is before Cash and Dan.
- [39:15]
James O'Keefe
This is in February. This is after Trump got in.
- [39:17]
Tim Pool
But this is February 6th.
- [39:19]
James O'Keefe
Trump appointed interim United States Attorney in the Southern District of New York.
- [39:22]
Tim Pool
So maybe, maybe Cash and Dan will actually be like, no, this is bs let's get it unredacted.
- [39:27]
James O'Keefe
But how much time does that take? I mean, under the Constitution, I forget the Bill of Rights, aren't you afforded a speedy trial and all that jazz? I mean, how much time does it take?
- [39:36]
Tim Pool
Yeah, but that's only in a criminal trial for you.
- [39:38]
James O'Keefe
What's that?
- [39:39]
Tim Pool
I suppose this was a criminal matter.
- [39:40]
James O'Keefe
It's a criminal proceeding.
- [39:41]
Damani Felder
Yeah, but this goes back to the concept of there being no consequence as of right now for this blatant lawfare, for this partisanship when it comes to these things. I Mean, just prime example, you know, swatting has become this new big thing that a lot of people will do to, you know, conservative individuals. I myself, you know, my wife and I, we were living in our home and next thing you know, this is literally Christmas night in 2023. We have literally a three week old baby, our baby girl. And if y' all both are watching, I love you very much, but we had a knock on the door and someone had swatted our house because they know what I do and I am nowhere near the level that, you know, Tim, you, James, are. But it happens all the time. But that only happens because there is no fear of consequence.
- [40:21]
James O'Keefe
Correct.
- [40:21]
Damani Felder
And whenever you have that sort of blatant two tiered justice system, whatever you want to call it, people are going to continue to engage in this behavior because there's never any fear of any sort of retribution whatsoever, even when that retribution is justified.
- [40:33]
Tim Pool
I mean, my fear is that in the doj, we have three people, Cash, Dan and Pam, and we're asking them to deal with a problem of tens of thousands. Maybe it's not possible.
- [40:48]
James O'Keefe
I don't know.
- [40:49]
Tim Pool
I mean. Well, let's take a look at the initial Epstein stuff, right? If we're to believe everything they said. Pam Bondi released this letter where she was like, I instructed the FBI to release the Epstein files and they did not do it. And then because of whistleblower, I found out New York was withholding information on this. The question then is, why did we only find out about the videos they have because of an undercover video from James o' Keefe. Why wasn't she telling the public?
- [41:14]
James O'Keefe
What did you think about that video, Tim? I took some heat for publishing that. I don't dislike or like her. It's not about what I think about the Attorney General. But you felt I should have published that, correct?
- [41:25]
Tim Pool
Absolutely. I thought. I think it's tremendously amazing journalism. I think it shows your integrity. You're not a partisan actor who's gonna say I give free tickets for the right or for the Trump administration. You said, we want the truth on Epstein and we're going to investigate it regardless of who's in charge.
- [41:42]
James O'Keefe
We did her a little bit of a favor, I suppose, by sending the quote journalistically, actually sent the full quote of what she said in that restaurant to that nanny. So is that a public place? It's kind of quasi public place. She's telling this to a stranger.
- [41:55]
Tim Pool
That's weird.
- [41:56]
Libby Emmons
Yeah, that is weird.
- [41:58]
James O'Keefe
Stranger. Nine days before she said it publicly. So why.
- [42:00]
Libby Emmons
And it was like the exact same thing.
- [42:02]
James O'Keefe
It was like, word for one.
- [42:03]
Tim Pool
She clearly came out and said it publicly because they. They knew they had to get ahead of you.
- [42:08]
James O'Keefe
She may, if she didn't come out and say that publicly, she, she may have been forced to resign because that's a. That's a crazy.
- [42:14]
Tim Pool
They. They. Well, so when you. I don't see anything wrong with you sending them the quote saying can. Like, here's. Here's what we have.
- [42:21]
James O'Keefe
I think I should have sent them the quote.
- [42:23]
Tim Pool
I think it's fine.
- [42:25]
James O'Keefe
I had some reporters telling, you're giving them. You're letting. You're giving them a way out. Because then that she can go public on the White House and say what? Well, I don't know. It's a tough call, but I don't.
- [42:35]
Tim Pool
Think there's anything unethical about it. It's an issue of, I guess, your publishing strategy to maximize the effect of the story or whatever.
- [42:42]
James O'Keefe
I was shocked that she said verbatim the same thing. I was in our news. I was in our newsroom, and we were just aghast. I couldn't believe it.
- [42:50]
Tim Pool
I mean, I got to. I got to be honest. That sounds like PR one on one, like ask Ask. I mean, we talk about this with all of the investigations you've done. These people need to get in front of these stories.
- [43:00]
James O'Keefe
True.
- [43:01]
Tim Pool
When you reach out and say, hey, we have you on camera doing this, they always react wrong.
- [43:06]
James O'Keefe
I think Pam Bondi reacted rationally and.
- [43:09]
Tim Pool
Said, we need to get in front of the James o' Keefe story. Let's come out, make the announcement.
- [43:13]
James O'Keefe
But why? Why?
- [43:14]
Libby Emmons
Well, the reason you would say the exact same thing is because she didn't want to reveal anything else perhaps, other than what had already been revealed.
- [43:21]
James O'Keefe
Correct.
- [43:21]
Libby Emmons
Yeah.
- [43:22]
James O'Keefe
Why did. Why was that shared with a nanny in a restaurant?
- [43:25]
Libby Emmons
So weird. We were talking about that too, in our team, and we were like, that is why. That is so bizarre.
- [43:30]
James O'Keefe
What caused her to do that?
- [43:32]
Libby Emmons
A guilt.
- [43:33]
Damani Felder
Why.
- [43:34]
Tim Pool
So. So how can you. I don't want you to expose any of your. Go ahead methods or anything, but how did you come to get access to that?
- [43:41]
James O'Keefe
We did not, like, intend to. To get that. That was. So we got, you know, undercover people and sleuths around the country just recording. And we. Eyes and ears really everywhere, I suppose, both because we have a team of 20 people undercover, but also because we have a citizen army that said, and someone happened to be in that restaurant investigating something else interesting and was simply saw that in public and recorded it. It was In a restaurant in D.C. she was having brunch. The attorney general and she was, she disclosed this to a self described nanny. But this, this is, this is on April 28th.
- [44:19]
Tim Pool
This was in a public place where anyone could have heard it.
- [44:22]
James O'Keefe
Yeah.
- [44:22]
Tim Pool
Which is literally how you end up with video of it.
- [44:24]
James O'Keefe
And when I'm very careful to do these undercover things in where the people within earshot so it's legal if I'm in a two party consent. Now Washington's one party, so it's different. But yeah, people could overhear the conversation, which I thought was newsworthy. And we were intending to public, we were literally intending to publish that. But then when she went on the White House lawn and said it, we had to rewrite the whole, the whole story. You know, obviously, you know, if it.
- [44:48]
Tim Pool
Were me, I just published on the spot.
- [44:51]
James O'Keefe
You know, that's an interesting point. That's the criticism I got by giving her the quote, arguably I did damage to the story. You know, it's a weird thing you're obligated to reach out to for comment. On the other hand, you're giving the, the subject a heads up. But I can do damage control.
- [45:09]
Tim Pool
I think it's fine. The, the, the only reason to withhold the information from Bondi or from the subject is to damage them in, in your story.
- [45:18]
James O'Keefe
I wasn't trying to do that.
- [45:19]
Tim Pool
Exactly. Which is why I'm saying you did the right thing by saying, we have the story. We'd like a comma. That's the appropriate ethical thing to do.
- [45:25]
James O'Keefe
That's the thing you're supposed to do.
- [45:26]
Tim Pool
Then when she came out and said, here's a thing that's true. Maybe it's bad for your bottom line because you didn't get credit for it, but the story came out, she was forced to admit it. That's what journalism is supposed to do.
- [45:35]
James O'Keefe
She did say there's tens of thousands of videos. And we go back, yeah, this is.
- [45:39]
Tim Pool
What the corporate press does. They say, hey, we've got this story about James o' Keefe. Should we get a comment from him? No, no, no, no. Because then we'll have to run it. He may give us information which takes away our credibility when we defame him. If, if we know for a fact it's not true, he can sue us. Don't tell him we're doing it because we want to maximize the story and our bottom line. We want to make money off the story. So let's say they have a story where they're like, you know, Libby stole A pie off a windowsill from an old lady. And then that's horrible. They. An ethical journalist says Libby, we were. A source has come to us saying that they are seeking criminal charges against you for stealing a pie off their windowsill. And then you respond with a video showing you looking at the windowsill and a different person grabs it and run. And you go, stop that man. He stole it. They now can't run the story. They can try to weasel it out, but they're. But now they know for a fact it's not true.
- [46:31]
Libby Emmons
Right.
- [46:32]
Tim Pool
So they'd rather just say don't get a comment from Libby accusing her of malfeasance. Gets us more clicks and we can claim plausible deniability because we had no idea.
- [46:40]
James O'Keefe
Right, Correct.
- [46:41]
Tim Pool
So the. So long story short, James, you did the right thing well and the story got out and it's good that we know this now and it puts more pressure on them and it's good that we know what happened behind the scenes.
- [46:51]
James O'Keefe
Live in a very political, polarized society. And I try, Tim, the older I get, the more I'm like, you know what, I just want to tell the truth. I'm not, it sounds like a cliche, but I'm not trying to gore someone's ox or help or hurt. I just want the truth. But it was remarkable just how polarized we are. Hyper political. Everyone thinks in terms of tribes and whose side they're on.
- [47:16]
Tim Pool
It's getting worse really.
- [47:18]
Damani Felder
Journalism has stopped being just about the non biased dissemination of the facts and it's more about a strategic sort of chess game. It's like if I do this, someone else is going to do that. I think that's where a lot of the frustration comes from. Particularly, you know, individuals who are just sitting there at home right now, you know, watching the stream, they want answers, but to them it feels like I have to wait for this to get that. And how long do I have to wait to get the answers that I desperately want to uncover?
- [47:43]
Tim Pool
The issue of the tribalism is that it already happened and it's in the younger generations it happened. There is very little red pilling or waking woke or whatever. So a lot of people tend to look at our society as a static system when it's actually an emergent system. So I'd say imagine a line in the middle of it is you and your lifespan is a tiny piece of it. There's a wave that will come by, lift you up. Here's the peak of your existence and your career and then you die. And that Wave continues. But this means the younger generation, their politics are entrenched in them at a young age. Rarely do people get red pilled or have awakenings. And so most people, like I said, view the system as a static system where we're constantly trying to convince the other side of why they're right or wrong. No, you are trying to indoctrinate young people to see the world the way you do and the things that you want and believe are true so that when they get older, those views become a part, a fabric of your society. The point is, the polarization didn't one day just happen. Like a bunch of boomers looked at each other and went, hey, I don't like you, we're enemies now. No, the boomers are the same. The boomers are the same as they were in the 90s. The issue is that younger people are hyperpolarized. In 10 years, the boomers will start passing on, dying, and the younger generation, hyperpolarization will become a larger percentage of the political, of the political climate. Twenty years from now, there will be nothing but hyperpolarization.
- [49:29]
James O'Keefe
Really.
- [49:29]
Damani Felder
Here's the question.
- [49:30]
Tim Pool
To be, to be fair, there is, there is a couple, there's arguments to either side. One is that Gen Z is moving towards Jesus and conservatism. However, it's largely among males and the females are not. But then the argument I've made is that women, because of their limited time for reproduction, will eventually cave to the demands of men because men don't have those limitations. But there is also that liberals don't have kids. So it may be that this polarization is a blip in the system and because they don't have children in 20 or 30 years, it's just gonna be an overwhelmingly conservative country.
- [50:07]
Damani Felder
Well, my question that I feel like I would have is while there might not be necessarily the red pilling that many of us are used to or experienced ourselves at some point in time, is there something to be said for the fact that the younger generations are going to be inherently countercultural, that they are going to rebel against whatever they are told is the proper way to think?
- [50:28]
Tim Pool
I don't think that's true. I think that was fabricated by communists.
- [50:32]
Libby Emmons
Okay, you think counterculture was a communist fabrication?
- [50:38]
Tim Pool
I think it, it does happen for various reasons throughout history. I believe this current iteration was largely communist exploitation. And I mean that quite literally. We were in the Cold War and it is, it is a fact. I mean, if you look at, I can't believe I'm forgetting the guy's Name Now. Remember that Russian guy who came and did that speech about. No, no. Well, he was great too, but there's a guy who's in an interview and everybody shares it in super chats.
- [51:06]
James O'Keefe
Oh, yes, I know.
- [51:06]
Damani Felder
Shirt surge. No, no, no, him.
- [51:09]
James O'Keefe
The. The propaganda from the 80s.
- [51:11]
Tim Pool
Yeah. Was his name where he said that they're going to come for your institutions, your. Your schools, and they're gonna.
- [51:16]
Libby Emmons
You know, I don't remember either, but.
- [51:18]
Tim Pool
You know what I'm talking about. You remember the guy's name?
- [51:19]
Libby Emmons
Yeah.
- [51:20]
Tim Pool
I'm gonna wait for the chat because 800 people are gonna.
- [51:23]
James O'Keefe
Someone's gonna say it.
- [51:24]
Tim Pool
Yeah. But what I think happens is I've heard this quite a bit from pe. Yuri Besmanov.
- [51:30]
James O'Keefe
It is.
- [51:31]
Tim Pool
Thank you, chat. This is, this is the only reason the show works, is because the chat is like a real time oracle of facts to correct us when we're wrong. But anyway, now I forgot what I was talking about. What were we talking about?
- [51:43]
Libby Emmons
We were talking about counterculture as a communist plot.
- [51:48]
Tim Pool
So for hundreds of years in this country, we didn't have a counterculture. You lived the way your grandparents lived. You would die if you didn't farm. There were some people who are bentitoes and they would sju society, but most people for hundreds of years would wake up, tend to the chickens, tend to the crops, go to sleep, wake up, church day, go to church, hang out.
- [52:11]
Libby Emmons
With people, put on a nice hat.
- [52:13]
Tim Pool
You got to put on a nice hat. Gone there. The. This idea of rebellion wasn't a thing. I believe the idea of rebellion was intentionally injected into our culture through pop culture for the purpose of pulling kids away from their parents to create a machine state. So starting either accidentally, it could be emergent, maybe not communist, but it could be that industrial revolution breeds this because we took children away from their parents, put them in. Put. Put them in institutionalized learning facilities where they are then told their parents are stupid and wrong. And that's what we see. And the funny thing is, parents only discovered this phenomenon because of COVID because of the at home learning through zoom. And they saw the teachers telling these children, your parents are evil, stupid and wrong, and you're actually a boy or you're actually a girl. I believe that if you raise your children the way humans are supposed to, they will be loyal, understanding, intelligent. They will see the world the way you've taught them to see it. And this idea of rebellion is actually rare.
- [53:13]
Libby Emmons
I think. I don't know. I think rebellion's been with us for a Long time. Look at Cain and Abel. Like, you know, he rebelled, killed his brother. You have rebellion throughout the Bible. Sure, but like, isn't that a rebellion? I mean that is a, that is looking at your parents and say, but there's not one story of murder.
- [53:33]
Tim Pool
But there's, there's what, what can we say? A tiny fraction, a tiny fraction of rebellion. And the overwhelming majority of human history is you lived like your parents, then you lived like your grandparents, and then you had kids who lived like you and lived like them for thousands of years.
- [53:49]
Libby Emmons
In the Middle Ages, like people would pass down hats for hundreds of years and that's why the, the hat fashion did not change. But you also have, so much of our literature is about pushing back against norms. You know, if you look at older stuff than the, than the Industrial revolution as well, like it's in there, but.
- [54:07]
Tim Pool
It'S, it's pushing back against norms is not the level of rebellion we see today where, where conservative parents go to church and their kid comes in and they say that they're, they're pansexual trans kids and communism will win. And the parents are like, where did this come from?
- [54:23]
Libby Emmons
Well, sure, I mean, if you send your kids to Columbia University, that's gonna happen.
- [54:25]
Tim Pool
Yeah, so, so I don't see the cons. So I believe one of the largest, biggest reasons why Gen Z is skewing to the right, it's not because Gen Z is being red pilled, it's because conservatives in the 2000s had more children than liberals. So what does that mean 20 years later when you start tracking the polling, the voting patterns of these people? You're going to go, wow, why are they voting for Trump more? What convinced them to do it? Nothing. It's that conservatives have babies and they give their values to those kids. When Those kids turned 18, they voted and you noticed, but those kids always had those values. There are some that deviate and they can go either way. And this is what I'm saying, the left was intentionally going into institutions to tell kids to defy your parents.
- [55:13]
Libby Emmons
Sure. I mean, and it goes back to kindergarten. I mean that's a, you see that, you know, first they make you very comfortable with education and it's beautiful, bright colors and they bring you in and they tap into your creativity and they say, you know, come here, trust us, don't trust your stupid parents.
- [55:28]
Damani Felder
Well, I was homeschooled for 12 years. And I wonder if, do you think that we are possibly understating the degree to which social validation has become so sacrosanct to many in the younger generation. What I mean by that is it might not be a red pill or rebellion. It might be when you grow up and you go off to college and then you are inundated with all of this desire for social validation, that that is what influences you to make an ideological shift. Not necessarily rebelling, but craving that social validation that comes from your peer group at that young, impressionable age.
- [56:03]
Tim Pool
I do think so. I think that's a component of it. And I think that the universities exploit that intentionally and they want to create these pressure systems that force you to adhere to the cult. And that's largely what woke is.
- [56:14]
Libby Emmons
I remember when I was in high school, I was sort of like punk rock and whatever and I listened to like all kind of punk rocky type stuff. And then when I went to college, I visited the college that I. I visited the college after I had already said that I would go there, like after I had already, you know, they send you your letter and you reply and everybody looked like I did. And I was like, oh no, this is not gonna work. I was like getting rid of all these clothes, I'm just gonna wear white button downs, totally normal. I und my hair, I put it back to its normal color, like everything. And I showed up looking preppy among a sea of punk rock kids.
- [56:50]
Tim Pool
Well, it's funny, punk rock became conformist.
- [56:52]
Libby Emmons
You know, it certainly did. It's like if all of the cool girls are wearing fishnets and miniskirts, like I'm not gonna wear that.
- [57:00]
Damani Felder
It's funny. But that mentality really has seeped into universities such a large degree. I went to Texas A and M university, graduated in 2014. Even back then at a conservative school like that, you saw a lot of that left leaning indoctrination start to seep into the student population. And that happened back then, even at.
- [57:18]
Libby Emmons
Texas A and M. At Texas A.
- [57:19]
Damani Felder
And M University, yep. And even now, Texas A and M University, they've had a fair degree of scandals associated therewith. But I feel that it's at that point in my life I was homeschooled for 12 years. I go to A and M and then all of a sudden I'm starting to hear this other stuff. And I'm grateful my parents raised me with enough wherewithal to not be so pusillanimous that I would just say, I'm just going to say whatever's gonna get me a pat's on the back. I'm willing to be controversial, but I've seen others, even in the Homeschool community where they were raised by good, strong parents, but then they so craved, they wanted to throw off that mentality. Oh, homeschoolers are weird. Homeschoolers aren't cool or fun to be around that they.
- [57:57]
Libby Emmons
Oh, neither were the public school kids.
- [58:00]
Damani Felder
No. But I feel like that's. The mentality is like, people crave that validation. And the social media has become so poisonous because people ascribe a sense of self or sense of value to how many likes they get, which causes them to compromise their own values in pursuit of that fleeting dopamine hit that comes when you get a couple likes on a video.
- [58:18]
Tim Pool
And it's a web. It's an addiction machine where I've talked about how my daughter will not have access to this stuff. But who knows in 13 years what technology will exist beyond what this current iteration of social media? But just like the big tech CEOs who don't let their children have cell phones, I will do the same thing. Here's the issue. She goes to a social setting environment. Maybe it's chess club. Maybe it's some, like, punk. Maybe she's playing in a band and she wants to. You know, there's like, a talent show or something. All the other kids are going to have phones, and they're going to be like, what do you mean you're not on Flim Flam? Like, I get all these likes, and she. And then she's going to be like, mom, dad, why? Why don't have a phone? How come I'm Flim Flam? All the other kids do, and we're gonna say, because it's bad for you and it'll rot your brain. And I know exactly what I thought when my parents told me that.
- [59:05]
Libby Emmons
But then she's gonna be grateful. I mean, she's eventually gonna grow up and be like, my parents were so strict, they never even let me have a Flim Flam account. But she's gonna wear it as a badge of pride.
- [59:14]
Tim Pool
Well, I think I'm confident in my and Allison's ability to actually, you know, convey this information to our child. So I'm confident. It is fascinating to me how many people are so lacking in the confidence to raise their kids that they say things like, nope, you're wrong. It'll never happen. You won't be able to teach your child, no, she won't do what you want. It's not going to happen. And I'm like, yeah, I think that's wrong. I. And. And I think people have been so. Have become so cynical and jaded from the system that they genuinely believe they can't convey beliefs, ideas to their kids. I, I know people who, who they have their kids watch these psychotic videos on YouTube.
- [59:55]
Libby Emmons
Psychotic.
- [59:57]
Tim Pool
All of the kids content is psychotic. All of it.
- [59:59]
Libby Emmons
There's no reason to show your kids that.
- [60:00]
Tim Pool
I'm. No, no, no, I'm not talking about the else again stuff. I'm talking about all kids content on YouTube.
- [60:05]
Libby Emmons
Cocoa melon, like all of it.
- [60:06]
Tim Pool
All of it.
- [60:07]
Libby Emmons
Yeah. No, there's no reason to ever show your kids that. 7.
- [60:09]
Tim Pool
There's, there's that, that one woman, I've got her name. And she's getting Rachel. She's going full political. Yeah, she's going political to your children. What people don't understand is I had one person say, well, you know, my kid just loves it so much. I said, how do they know it exists?
- [60:25]
Libby Emmons
Right. Why did you show it to them? One of the best pieces of parenting advice I ever got was from two of my friends in Brooklyn who said after my son was born, they were like, never play him kids music.
- [60:36]
Tim Pool
Yeah.
- [60:36]
Libby Emmons
And I was like, huh, I won't. That's really good. He was like, they were just, just play him stuff you like. And that way he'll grow up to have good taste. And my son has the best musical taste now. You know, it's eclectic, it's interest. I take him to concerts, we both like it.
- [60:52]
Tim Pool
The thing is, a child isn't going to know something that you don't expose them to. And there's actually tons of literature on this. Do not treat children like children. And that's one of the worst things we've done as a society.
- [61:07]
Libby Emmons
Oh. Is treat because you infantilize your child. Grow up. Yeah, it's terrible. So what I think is great, like so interesting to me about the millennials is so my Little brothers are 12 years younger than me and they're millennials. And I'm not, I'm whatever, Gen X. I'm Gen X. And so, but we were raised by the same parents just at different times in our parents lives. And our parents raised us all totally differently based on, you know, where they are in their level of success. You know, I was born when my parents were in their 20s and my brothers were born, I mean, to different iterations of parental families, but when they were in their 30s. And it's totally different experience of how they were raised.
- [61:47]
Damani Felder
Yep. Well, and there's studies that have been done about how the modern, you know, baby or kids TV shows are deliberately. Hijacking those young minds at that most impressionable phase. And my wife and I and we talk about, oh, if there's programming that our. Our daughter might want to watch. And it's going to be something old school. It's going to be like Little Bear. Very non. Stimulating.
- [62:06]
Libby Emmons
I love Little Bear.
- [62:07]
Damani Felder
Yeah, it's on repeats.
- [62:08]
Libby Emmons
We used to watch the old Scooby Doos. Like there's this Scooby Doo with the Harlem Globeter Trotters videotape that my mom had and my watch it on loop. Yeah, it was good.
- [62:18]
Tim Pool
Why do you remember it?
- [62:19]
Libby Emmons
Why do I remember it?
- [62:20]
Tim Pool
For what functional purpose? Do you know that thing?
- [62:23]
Libby Emmons
Do I know the Scooby Doo?
- [62:24]
Tim Pool
Yeah.
- [62:25]
Libby Emmons
I guess because it came on tv.
- [62:26]
Tim Pool
You know what? You know what always bothered me? I wouldn't say it actually makes me angry or anything, but I'm going to tell you all this. You ready? B, A, B, A, up, down, left, right, B, A, start. B, A, B, A, up, down, left, right, start.
- [62:41]
Libby Emmons
This is your video game controller.
- [62:42]
Tim Pool
It's a video game code.
- [62:43]
Libby Emmons
Yeah.
- [62:44]
James O'Keefe
For which game?
- [62:45]
Tim Pool
No, I'm sorry. It's B, A, B, A, up, down, B, A, left, right, B, A, start. There you go. Mortal Kombat, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2. It gives you level select. B, A, B, A, up, down, B A left, right, B, A. Start gives you level select and 10 lives. And I know that, and I'll know it forever because I was a little kid and it was taught to me. Why was it taught to me? For no functional reason. And I still remember it. And there's also the Konami code, which I don't know because I didn't play those games. But famously the Konami games had the same code, which was like B, A, up, down. B, A, left, right, ba, up, down. Or something like that. But the Tangent Ninja Turtles 1 I will remember forever and I can grab that Nintendo game randomly, put it in, be like, look at that. I know the code forever. Now this is the point. We have created a society where kids are exposed to nonsense, random garbage. And I would say with the strongest of recommendations, do not have your kids watch Cocomelon or what's her name, Ms. Rachel or whatever.
- [63:36]
Libby Emmons
No, none of that. Always watch. If you're letting your kid watch stuff, watch it with them.
- [63:41]
Tim Pool
Have them remember when History Channel was good. You want them to watch normal things that adults do? Because the question is, or the point is this, a child is trying to learn to be a functioning human being in an adult human society, exposing them to things that are only for children that they will never experience later in life means you are building the neurons in their brain, the neural pathways for something that does not exist functionally. So I had a conversation in my twenties with this friend of mine, this woman, and she was saying she hated her job and she didn't know what she wanted to do with her life. And I said, what were you doing when you were 13? And she was like, I don't know. Nothing. Hanging out with my friends. And I said, you want to run a bar? And she went, oh, my God, I would love to run a bar. And I'm like, what you were doing when you were young, you were programmed to do. And this is why so many people, like, want to be at a bar all day and hang out at the bar and go to the bar. You want to hang out with your friends. All you want to do, it's like, okay, I get it. You want to go hang out and socialize because that's what you were doing when you were a kid. Well, guess what? Pro ballplayers were playing ball when they were a kid. When they were 7, they were in Little League. When they were 10, you know, when they were 7, they were T ball. When they got older, they were in Little League. Now they're pro ball players. They love playing ball. They love talking sports. We had John Rocker on. Someone asked him about teaching kids pitching, and he went off on all the crazy technical details of pitching and the techniques. That's a dude who's been playing his whole life. But what happens when you're a kid? You do nothing until you're five years old. Literally, kids do nothing. Maybe till you're four, if you do.
- [65:11]
Libby Emmons
Preschool, you don't really do nothing. I mean, you know, you go around with your parents, you look at stuff.
- [65:16]
Tim Pool
It's actually the most important thing you can do.
- [65:18]
Libby Emmons
You take them.
- [65:19]
Tim Pool
But what I mean is, today they're not doing that. The parents are handing a tablet to the child and saying, watch, Ms. Rachel, who sings songs and talks nonsense that the child will never use in their life.
- [65:30]
Libby Emmons
Right?
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Tim Pool
And so the question is, I should put it this way. A viral video that everybody loves showed a bunch of kids in the 50s talking about post World War II or something. And there's this little boy who's 8 years old, and he's talking quite like this. I think the interesting thing about the politics of Austria is that the current tax rate is driving. And. And all of these people were like, why is. Why do these children sound like adults? Because there was no children's content. The children only knew how to emulate adults, and so they behaved like adults.
- [65:59]
Libby Emmons
When my son was seven years old, he was obsessed with the Titanic. It was like every Titanic documentary. That's what he wanted to watch.
- [66:05]
Tim Pool
That's great.
- [66:06]
Libby Emmons
I was buying him, like, the National Geographic books about the Titanic, and we would read about that. And then for a while, he was obsessed with, like, six space exploration. So we were doing that, and he was like, I want to live in space. And I was like, okay, let's talk about that stuff now. You know, it was like, yeah, it's always key to make sure that you're giving your kids stuff that you can tolerate. Because the other thing, too. This is something that I remember Jordan Peterson saying, raise your kid as someone you like to be around. And, like, my kid is my favorite person to hang out with. You know, he'll be like, can we do something today, Mom? And I'm like, oh, yay. Hey, let's do whatever you want.
- [66:42]
Tim Pool
It's like there was a Family Guy joke from a recent episode where Stewie's rebelling. He's like, I'm going to play loud music. And so he puts on the Archies. Sugar, sugar.
- [66:52]
Libby Emmons
Uhhuh.
- [66:53]
Tim Pool
And then Peter comes downstairs, and he's like, my only problem with this is the volume. It's too quiet. He turns it up, and I'm like, you know, I'm imagining. I suppose you come home and the music's blasting, and he's playing Zeppelin.
- [67:06]
Libby Emmons
No, no.
- [67:06]
Tim Pool
And you're like, great.
- [67:07]
Libby Emmons
You know what he does? He play. He blasts Frank Sinatra and the. And sometimes the Beatles and sometimes Steely Dan, sometimes Weezer.
- [67:16]
Tim Pool
Yeah, Weezer. I don't know.
- [67:17]
Libby Emmons
Well, I got tickets to. I'm taking him to. He's. He's not crazy. He doesn't know them that well yet. But I'm taking him to the Pixies this summer.
- [67:26]
Damani Felder
I love that.
- [67:27]
James O'Keefe
Wow.
- [67:27]
Tim Pool
Does he listen to Sabrina Carpenter?
- [67:28]
Libby Emmons
No, no, I don't think he knows who that is. He probably does because he goes to school, but I've taken him to Morrissey shows, and I took him to see the Shins, and his dad takes him to the symphony quite a bit.
- [67:39]
Tim Pool
I mean, so he's. He's going to be like the dude in the back of the room with the Kiss shirt on.
- [67:46]
Libby Emmons
No, because he wears button downs. Right now, he's doing this Hawaiian shirt thing, but they're all muted. It's like light blue with navy blue sailboats.
- [67:55]
Tim Pool
I want to jump to this story. This one's interesting from. We have this from CBN News. Joe Rogan is reportedly attending church consistently. Christian apologist reveals. I don't. That means.
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Libby Emmons
But well it was Wesley Huff. I don't think he's an apologist. I think he's just a. I think he's a public Christian.
- [68:10]
Tim Pool
He leads Apologetics Canada.
- [68:12]
Libby Emmons
Yes.
- [68:12]
Tim Pool
So I guess that makes my apologist.
- [68:14]
Libby Emmons
That makes him like what does that mean? Like a sect or something. I don't really know what that is.
- [68:18]
Tim Pool
I think it literally refers to us. Yeah, sect or something that I would. I don't know about it but he said so. You know he sat down for a marathon episode of Rogan's podcast in January said he he and the well known podcast have had on and off communication since then adding I can tell you for a fact that he's attending church and that has been a consistent thing. I believe it. What I would say I don't think it's absolutely true. I say that I believe it is. It is possible and probable that Joe Rogan is now attending church regularly because of the people. So I'll put it this way.
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Libby Emmons
Oh, it means scholar. He's a scholar.
- [68:56]
Tim Pool
So I had a great. As I mentioned before, I was talking with Bill Maher and I said that I'm not an atheist. I don't consider myself. I'm not a Christian. I don't follow any scriptures or anything like that. I don't like using the word deist because deists believe God doesn't intervene or interact with the universe. So that's very specific. Like not that there's a God, I just don't know much else.
- [69:14]
Libby Emmons
Like a non interventionist God perspective.
- [69:16]
Tim Pool
Yeah, I don't think that. And he's famously atheist but I mentioned to him that you're losing. And why is this happening? You know, he's the guy who, I mean atheism was getting so big in the 2000s.
- [69:31]
Libby Emmons
Sure. I mean it started with, you know, I mean it started for a long time. But you also had the existentialist movement which became the post structuralist movement and became the standard of academic intellectuals. And then that pervaded everything that pervaded all the academic institutions, all the teaching programs, all of the, you know, leftist political realms.
- [69:52]
Tim Pool
I think for someone like Joe, much like for someone like me, it's easy to be an atheist when you're only surrounded by liberals and you don't actually hear logical arguments. And for someone like Bill Maher, for instance, he, you know, I think if you talk to a regular run of the Mill guy in the street about theology. I don't think he's gonna have great answers for you. And you're probably gonna be like, okay, you don't. What you believe doesn't make sense. But if you talk to a theologian who's sat through the science, the literature, the religious texts and then has a cohesive worldview, they can very logically break down. And I've had those conversations. So again, I don't follow scripture anything. My point is, for Joe, what happens, liberals don't come on the show, conservatives do. He's now being exposed largely to the highest level of, of religious and faith based thinkers. Joe's not bumping into random schlubs on the street who are like, I don't know, I just think it's true. He's sitting down with Jordan Peterson who's gonna say a bunch of weird, crazy things. He's sitting down with prominent theologists, thinkers and otherwise. And so I think it's very likely that someone like him is going to be like, oh wow, you know, I didn't consider that maybe you're right, and then go to church.
- [71:03]
Libby Emmons
Yeah. I came back to faith after years of thinking I was an atheist. And then I realized I was actually grieving the loss of faith and I could no longer stare into the black void of nothingness. And I was like, oh, I guess I better go back to church and spend a minute.
- [71:21]
Damani Felder
Well, there's an interesting intersection between many members of the faith community, myself included, and how much our worldview is tied to that hope of a future. If you truly believe that all there is is what we have here on this literally at some points, God forsaken earth, then I can understand why there's so many people who are far radical left who will denounce any notion of there being a higher power. So for them this has to be all there is. So basically, anarchy should rule, chaos should reign supreme, because there's nothing else to look forward to. But you know, I believe the Bible says, be ready to give an answer for the hope that lies within you. So if I'm ready with that answer, that just transcends even religion. It goes even back to my discussion with people on politics. I have to be ready. Tim has to be ready. James, you have to be ready. We have to be ready to give an answer for what we believe. And that ties in and intersects sometimes with our faith. And when it does, it's a beautiful thing.
- [72:15]
Libby Emmons
I agree. Yeah, yeah, that's true.
- [72:17]
Tim Pool
But this is just part of a bigger trend in More and more people are going to church. It's like the church revival, I guess.
- [72:23]
Libby Emmons
Also churches have been getting. Like. I used to go to a church in Brooklyn that was just various. It was a sad church. I really liked the priest. I liked the people that I knew there. But it was a. It was an aging church. And the church I go to now in West Virginia, there's babies and there's families, you know, and what do they say about church? If it ain't. If it ain't crying, it's dying, you know, and so I love it. And the kid will like, look at you over the pew and be like, it's life affirming and good. How it should be.
- [72:54]
Tim Pool
I look at it like, what? Do what? You know, Allison, I have talked about it. What do we want for our daughter? And we are not. We're lapsed Catholics and we don't.
- [73:03]
Libby Emmons
You should come to my church.
- [73:04]
Tim Pool
We don't follow scripture or anything, but we do understand that the teachings of the church are good and were good for us. There's just a difference between understanding the logical good that comes from this belief structure and actually believing in the faith. And we don't have that. But then it's an issue of like, well, I don't want to go to church for that reason. It feels disingenuous. But at the same time, we really don't want our daughter to grow up influenced by these other lunatics.
- [73:27]
Libby Emmons
And the other thing too is you start. You, like, of course you should go even if you don't believe. Like, the Catholic Church is full of, you know, full of opportunities for doubt and for that doubt to be allayed. Like, look at Thomas. Thomas still was there and he was super tight with Jesus, even though he was like, I don't think you were raised from the dead, you know, show me your hands. So, I mean, that's what the church is for. The church is there to embrace.
- [73:52]
Tim Pool
Well, of course, literally every Christian's like, just go. Nobody cares. Yeah. Also go and say you don't believe. We don't care. We want you there.
- [73:58]
Libby Emmons
Also, if you go to the church that I go to, it's so vibrant, it, like, doesn't matter.
- [74:05]
Tim Pool
Like, do they do a potluck afterwards?
- [74:07]
Libby Emmons
They sometimes do.
- [74:09]
Tim Pool
You gotta do it every time.
- [74:10]
Libby Emmons
You don't have to go. But there's so many good community aspects. Like, my son has a lot of friends at church and so we'll go. And then after Mass, I can't find him because he's going to talk to his Friends. And I'm like, I'll sit here for hours if you want to go talk to your friends at church.
- [74:25]
Tim Pool
Like, you know what's funny is that these liberals tried creating this idea that if there was going to be a Christian nation, that it would be the Handmaid's Tale or whatever. And it's just literally nothing like that, because this country had been a Christian nation before, and those values brought it to where it is now, much to the detriment of the Christians who tolerate and allow bad people to do these things.
- [74:55]
Libby Emmons
And the left has created the Handmaid's Tale with surrogacy. That is the Handmaid's Tale. Yeah. I mean, all of this stuff, polyamory. I mean, they're the ones who are creating the conditions of that Atwood novel, the Handmaid's Tale.
- [75:07]
Damani Felder
It dramatizes what can happen when you pervert what the intent of religion or spirituality could be. Right. Because with any religion you have, you can be an individual who is an extremist. People say that, you know, certain religions are the quote, unquote, religion of peace. But it seems very antithetical to what you see on the news. If you're looking at certain stories about, oh, well, what was the common denominator here? Right, but it's. What's interesting is now with the left, they're trying to create religion as if that is the thing.
- [75:39]
Libby Emmons
We should be rallying self at the center.
- [75:41]
Damani Felder
Yeah, exactly. And the longer they're allowed to do that, the more, honestly, you're seeing people who are maybe counterculture, saying, maybe I should check out what the church is talking about. Maybe it isn't all bad. Maybe it's not gonna be the end all. Be all my problems. But it's better than the alternative.
- [75:57]
Libby Emmons
And there's ancient traditions that are so cool, you know, I mean, what better way to like, understand or at least attempt to understand what humanity is than to tap into the. The oldest traditions that, you know, your religious faith has to offer. There's traditions going back thousands and thousands of years, like Jesus was celebrating a Passover Seder. We can all do that, you know, because we were talking before. You could just do things. You know, there's traditions from the Middle Ages like this one called Tenebrae that happens during Lent. And you can just. You can feel the historicity of it. You can feel that, you know, people for thousands of years were doing this.
- [76:39]
Tim Pool
James, I've never actually seen you talk about it or ever talk to you about it.
- [76:44]
James O'Keefe
About faith. Yeah, about religion. I'm A man of faith. I'm a very spiritual person. I think the experiences in my life and the challenges have made me more so realize this is a fight of good versus evil.
- [76:58]
Tim Pool
I agree. When I was younger, I didn't believe in good and evil. I thought that it was competing interests, largely believing that they were correct and morally justified. And that was very naive to think. You get older and then you just start to question why some people are just possessed. It's just demonic.
- [77:18]
James O'Keefe
It's a demonic. The experiences I've been faced with and I've realized this is a spiritual war and it's a story of original sin. And it's actually. What they don't tell you is the evil is actually within us. It's not just out there and the enemy. It's like, within us. You have to conquer that evil within yourself.
- [77:41]
Libby Emmons
Well, because we're all monsters.
- [77:42]
James O'Keefe
Correct.
- [77:43]
Damani Felder
But have you noticed that there seems to be a disquieting common phenomenon that all too often I'll see a certain look in someone's eyes and sometimes it can give away. Oh, okay. So if you're out chanting and blocking an ambulance or whatever, and you got your fist in the air and you're showing me the tops of the whites of your eyes. Okay, that's almost giving me a clue as to what your ideology is. It's kind of interesting when you start. I'm not trying to get too conspiratorial, but sometimes you'll see that manifestation of the spiritual life, or lack thereof, in a person based on how they choose to comport and present themselves.
- [78:18]
Tim Pool
I was talking to Jack Bosobic and I said, you know, the Christian scripture stuff, the resurrection, none of that sways my opinion on things because I don't experience that. I don't. It. To me, it's. I get it. There are stories and some. It's history and things like that. But the one thing that really sways me is demons, like, come to me and talk to me about demons. And then I'm like, I'm listening. Because that I've experienced. There's like. There is this evil that possesses people that I can't logically explain.
- [78:46]
Libby Emmons
People trying to see it.
- [78:47]
Tim Pool
People that I've known my whole life that one day woke up as demons. And I'm going to say this demon figuratively or literally, call it whatever you want. People that I've known my whole life that were friends and then one day just started doing destructive, violent, evil things.
- [79:02]
James O'Keefe
Sounds like the situation of Project Veritas. We're about to talk about.
- [79:06]
Tim Pool
Indeed.
- [79:07]
James O'Keefe
And that's exactly what happened.
- [79:10]
Tim Pool
Well, let's, let's let. Excellent segue, Mr. Mr. James.
- [79:14]
James O'Keefe
Speaking of Rogan, did you see how he was on the air the other day and asked about this Joe Rogan? He said. He said. He said what? What happened at Project Veritas? What? Why doesn't James o' Keefe release the videotapes of Project Veritas? The video guy. What was the.
- [79:30]
Tim Pool
I think so. I assume that Joe recorded that episode the day before you announced Epstein's library. Right.
- [79:36]
Damani Felder
I mean, he was.
- [79:37]
James O'Keefe
This is. Yeah.
- [79:38]
Tim Pool
So Keith just released video.
- [79:40]
James O'Keefe
20 seconds library.
- [79:41]
Tim Pool
Right.
- [79:42]
Damani Felder
I mean, he was. His undercover videos were amazing.
- [79:45]
Tim Pool
Incredible. And then he got ousted at the Project Veritas. Right. And then went, I wonder what happened there. Like, I'd like to know what the story there is, because there's no official story. The guy who releases everything, why wouldn't he release that?
- [80:00]
James O'Keefe
That was actually Wednesday. And then like an hour later I released them.
- [80:05]
Libby Emmons
Oh, that's.
- [80:06]
James O'Keefe
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, but yeah, I mean, it's like, you know what, you were just talking about spirituality. That was, it was just so. I mean, you saw the.
- [80:14]
Tim Pool
So here, I, I pulled. This is.
- [80:16]
James O'Keefe
Oh, there it is.
- [80:17]
Tim Pool
This is it. James o' Keefe just released video of Epstein's library.
- [80:21]
James O'Keefe
Right.
- [80:21]
Damani Felder
I mean, he was. His undercover videos were amazing.
- [80:25]
James O'Keefe
Incredible.
- [80:25]
Damani Felder
And then he got ousted at Project Veritas.
- [80:28]
Tim Pool
Right. And then went, I wonder what happened there.
- [80:31]
Damani Felder
Like, I'd like to know what the.
- [80:33]
Tim Pool
Story there is, because, I mean, Joe can just have you on his show.
- [80:36]
Libby Emmons
Right.
- [80:37]
James O'Keefe
I don't understand. I don't know. I don't understand. I mean, that's a separate issue.
- [80:41]
Tim Pool
But so, so this is what everyone want. Is dying to know. Because you put out a video with Veritas behind you in the video.
- [80:48]
James O'Keefe
Yeah. And that's why I. And that's what I'm on your show here, Tim, to talk about. I. I released a. A movie about. It's called the Truth Inside Project Veritas. The Truth Inside the Truth. And there's a 12 minute video online that takes you through some of the examples. And, and there's a 54 minute long film and you get to see inside that border. You've reported on this extensively at Post Millennial.
- [81:10]
Libby Emmons
Yeah.
- [81:11]
James O'Keefe
You've done dozens of articles about.
- [81:13]
Tim Pool
So people that you thought were your friends one day woke up as demons and said, we're going to destroy everything that James has built.
- [81:21]
James O'Keefe
Yes. And you might. And there are so many questions. Rogan is asking questions Everyone had questions about why did this happen, how did this happen? So there's newly released deposition videos, Tim, from federal court of these board members talking about their conflicts of interest, talking about how they wanted to harm me. The actual board meeting video has now been released where you see people talking about stealing pregnant women's sandwiches. The pregnant woman now denies this ever happened. I made donors cry because I wouldn't take a photo with them. The donor denies this happen. There's like this crazy psychological, spiritual thing that happened. And you might be wondering what the. I mean, I'd love to play a clip or two from the depositions.
- [82:09]
Tim Pool
Yeah, yeah, just grab which one you want.
- [82:13]
James O'Keefe
I think I, I gave that, the X link to you. But if you go on my X page and scroll down, you can see the. There's a 12 minute video I posted the other day and you can actually see this. It's o' Keefe and talks to regain control of Project Verde two days ago. Keep going, keep going. There it is right there.
- [82:38]
Tim Pool
This one right here.
- [82:38]
James O'Keefe
Yeah. If you just want to scroll through when you see the deposition clips, you're going to scroll through. There's a guy named George Skakel. Keep going. There it is. So he just plays some of these clips from this deposition under oath. The companies quote, could be sold to a big pharmaceutical like Pfizer. Three of the four companies you've invested in, you would consider to be in the medical field.
- [83:00]
Tim Pool
Petrogen could be sold to a big pharma like Pfizer.
- [83:07]
James O'Keefe
Pause. And this was during the. So these are board members who were co investing in companies, unbeknownst to me, and they signed a conflict of interest statement and they were soliciting money and investing in these, in these medical companies that they testified could be sold to. At the time we were investigating Pfizer.
- [83:26]
Tim Pool
Everybody thought that you got ousted because of Pfizer. Because right after the biggest story of Veritas, the Pfizer story, you are ousted.
- [83:36]
James O'Keefe
And then this happens and there's a.
- [83:39]
Tim Pool
Couple of these guys were co investing and it's fascinating because in the videos you have, they mentioned that they don't consider it a conflict of interest. He's wishy washy as to when he started making these investments.
- [83:50]
James O'Keefe
Right.
- [83:51]
Tim Pool
And so the narrative looks to be what everyone thought it was. These guys stood to lose a lot of money from their investments if your Pfizer story damaged these, this, this industry.
- [84:01]
James O'Keefe
Yes. And there's more, there's more clips of this deposition off. You can keep playing the next, next.
- [84:06]
Tim Pool
Clip from this do you know which timestamp?
- [84:09]
James O'Keefe
It's at the. Go back. I mean, this. We asked him about conflicts of interest and signed a conflict of interest policy.
- [84:17]
Tim Pool
How do you define conflict of interest? Oh, I don't know. Give me a dictionary and I'll read you the definition.
- [84:22]
James O'Keefe
Now I'm announcing it. So we released. There's so many clips to show. If you scroll down. I'm confronting this guy. Keeps going. I'm like ambushing this guy outside of his house. And you'll get to see kind of the nature of this individual.
- [84:39]
Tim Pool
Oh, you know what? I think I have the. With the timestamps written down. I think.
- [84:42]
James O'Keefe
I think that's from the actual film.
- [84:44]
Tim Pool
Oh, okay.
- [84:45]
James O'Keefe
Long film. If you want to. There. There is. Go back. Go back to me. This is me talking to one of the board members of Project Veritas. When you were my. On my board, did you disclose that you had investments in these medical companies at the time? I was on your board.
- [84:58]
Tim Pool
I didn't.
- [84:58]
Damani Felder
When did you begin investing in mature men's companies?
- [85:01]
Tim Pool
A few years ago. While you're on the board. Yes, I think I was on the board then.
- [85:06]
James O'Keefe
I want to talk about your investments.
- [85:07]
Tim Pool
I want to talk about you.
- [85:08]
James O'Keefe
Is it all about money?
- [85:10]
Tim Pool
Too bad you can't afford that. So.
- [85:13]
James O'Keefe
So points to his mansion and says, you can't afford anybody. It says so much about his character.
- [85:19]
Libby Emmons
That really does. That's sort of wild. As though, like, this is what meaning is all about.
- [85:23]
James O'Keefe
If you could scroll back in the video to. There's a scene of a black screen and the subtitle. They're talking about me taking black cars. Go back. Go back a few minutes.
- [85:32]
Tim Pool
I love the cringe attempts at claiming that you did anything wrong by using.
- [85:37]
James O'Keefe
Vehicles, but you got to listen to it so you can hear what the guy says because it really cuts to what we're. Go back, go back, go back. It's this scene of. It's audio only, but it's just. There it is the beginning of the scene. Barry Hinckley. Go back. Until that begins. This is one of the executives of the company. Just. Just. It's a little hard to hear over the. Over the. Well, you can see it. And he says I should have quick. John. You just had picking me up, moving me around. I ran a large company with a lot of employees, and I never lived this lifestyle with black cards.
- [86:08]
Tim Pool
Constantly picking me up, moving me around. Expensive accommodations when the rest of the staff are staying at one level. I mean, all for one, one for all. Backed in a Non profit. I just never envisioned one person living one way and everyone else living another way.
- [86:21]
James O'Keefe
Pause. Some background. So what was remarkable about this was watching people who consider themselves of the right acting like communists. You're not allowed to make more money than me. You're not allowed to have a car drive you. How do you expect me to get to Uber carpool? Like, what do you want me to carrier pigeon? How am I supposed to. None of it made any sense.
- [86:45]
Tim Pool
Black cars is just a fancy way of saying pre scheduled cab.
- [86:48]
James O'Keefe
A pre scheduled driver.
- [86:50]
Tim Pool
Yeah.
- [86:50]
James O'Keefe
And when you're raising $20 million a year, raising all these millions of dollars to pay lawyers. So I guess this is a crazy story and you've reported on extensively at Post Millennial, but now you get to hear it and see it after watching the video.
- [87:04]
Tim Pool
What do you think would happen if you pulled up to, like a big donor who wants to give a million bucks to Veritas, and you pulled up in a busted up car and you're wearing crappy clothes and you want to take them to McDonald's, they would not.
- [87:17]
James O'Keefe
Give you a million dollars. And I took a helicopter. It was, you know, whatever it was. $6,000 helicopter ride, by the way. These are smart. Okay, let me take a step back. The guy you just watched has an MBA from Harvard. This other guy, Matt, has an economics degree from the University of Chicago. And what was remarkable is seeing these people who are so knowing, but they have no wisdom. I think there's a difference between knowledge and wisdom. You take a rando off the street, they get it. Well, you take a helicopter because you want to get there fast.
- [87:49]
Tim Pool
Let me tell you, knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, and wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad. That's the old saying.
- [87:57]
James O'Keefe
Well, there you go. Well, that's very astute. That's a very astute saying.
- [88:00]
Libby Emmons
Although I do make a salad with avocado and tomato. And it's fruit, sure.
- [88:05]
Tim Pool
But a fruit salad is strawberries, pineapples, and blueberries. You don't put tomatoes in that.
- [88:09]
James O'Keefe
But what I saw was human nature. We talk about spirituality. There's so much to dive in on this documentary. It's, it's very cinematic. It's, it's unbelievable.
- [88:18]
Tim Pool
I want to explain. I mean, first of all, I am a proud capitalist, as I think most of the people watch this show are. But I'm, you know, I'm a little socially liberal. I don't mind certain government programs so long as they're under strict oversight. And, you know, I think it's hard to do, but I just flew to la. Yeah, I flew first class. I'm not flying coach. It's not going to happen. It's difficult enough to fly two day, twice in two days and try and make it back to la. It's, it's, it's, it sucks. It was literally all day in an airport and then all day in an airport and it's standing, waiting, standing. Then I'm like, I am going to sit down and, and recline. And they don't even recline that much. And I'm going to eat a. What did they give me? Salmon or something.
- [89:06]
Libby Emmons
Where you don't have to get McDonald's at the airport.
- [89:08]
Tim Pool
Yeah, I'm not eating that garbage. And, and I think the ticket was, I don't know, like 800 bucks or something, but I think that was like 300.
- [89:15]
James O'Keefe
I think envy. Tim, and, and for lack of a better word, jealousy is, is perhaps something that we don't talk a lot about openly, but it is a very powerful sin and I'm sure we've all seen it. But I think this is something that leads to resentment. Tim People become jealous if you're the public face of an organization. And if they don't get what they want, that resentment can turn to vindictiveness. The vindictiveness of the Project Veritas employees was so obscene and so disgusting that I can't even say on the air. Some of them, they sent me a picture of me nailed to a crucifix. There was pornographic insults and it was all stemming from this kind of vindictiveness, which is a form of envy. And you saw the executive saying, James shouldn't have a driver. Now, a lot of, a lot of my donors said, you better. You better have a security guard and a driver. You should be taking an Uber. X. James o' Keefe. But my own people, my own team wanted me to suffer. So this is a very spiritual journey. It's a, it's a story about human nature. It's. I made a movie. It's behind my paywall@o'keefemediagroup.com it's called the Truth Inside Veritas. There's a 12 minute video explaining what happened and all of the board members are being deposed. We've deposed three board members. One board member says in this film, James o' Keefe is not entitled to a private life. The board member, Joe Barton is his name. Took off all the personal messages between me and my girlfriend and published them on X, which is a tort. You can't do that. It's unlawful. And they just did it to hurt me. And you might say, well, I, maybe I didn't hire the right people. And I think you'd be correct. But I also think when you're in a high pressure environment and you're going after really powerful people, you better make sure your team is unbreakable and has a lot of integrity. And I think it's going back to a conversation we had earlier about the FBI, about, you know, what the type of person it takes. It's hard to find a person who has no price.
- [91:27]
Libby Emmons
How fast did Veritas grow? Because it seemed like you guys were growing too fast. Yeah.
- [91:31]
James O'Keefe
And my mistake was I said, everyone, come in. You're all welcome inside. The door is open. Oh, you want to help the mission? Come on in. And I think what I learned was you really have to vet the heck out of people. And that was a mistake I made. But I also always saw the best in people. I always wanted to believe the best in people. But the incentive to betray me and to be in it for the wrong reasons. I think a lot of people want the credit. They want to be famous. This is, this is the truth. They just want to be famous. They want the credit. And I think if that's what your motivation is, if that's why you're doing this, you're probably not. You shouldn't be there.
- [92:12]
Damani Felder
Well, that's what happened with Trump too, in that first term was I feel like he threw open his arms and said, anyone who's on Team maga, I want you to be a part. And he did get burned by more than a few people who were in it for those selfish, self serving reasons. And now I think we're seeing in the second term he has a little bit more discernment. Of course, some people would say maybe he should have even more discernment.
- [92:31]
James O'Keefe
His people are more loyal now.
- [92:33]
Damani Felder
Yes, I agree.
- [92:34]
Tim Pool
Someone commented, Patrick, he says, how is what Tim and James just did any different from the guy in the video saying, you can't afford this while pointing to his house? James and I did not look into the camera and mock you for not being able to afford helicopters and jets. That guy was insulting James because James can't afford to live in a mansion like he does. That was the world he valued. I don't care about flying first class or flying jets or any of those things. And I don't have disdain for people who don't do those things. And I don't Mock people for not having those things.
- [93:06]
James O'Keefe
Right. Yeah. I think envy, it's a form of. I mean, anyone who says, you look at my mansion, you can't afford it, probably didn't build their business from scratch.
- [93:16]
Tim Pool
I remember one of the famous clips from Real Time with Ben Shapiro when he was on with Malcolm Nance, and then Nance said something like, how do you sleep at night? He says, in a pile of money. And people on the right were cheering for that. I'm like, I don't think that was a good answer.
- [93:28]
Libby Emmons
What Ben Shapiro said, on a pile of money.
- [93:30]
Tim Pool
On a big pile of money.
- [93:31]
Libby Emmons
And sounds uncomfy.
- [93:33]
Tim Pool
It's. I wouldn't recommend it for filthy as well. But the point was he's successful and rich. So that's like, you insult me, I insult you back. And everyone did appreciate the snapback, but that's, that's. I'm not a fan of that.
- [93:47]
James O'Keefe
Well, I mean, I think that was, I mean, in response to that. Yeah, that. That's not what we're doing here. Where, where there's a contempt and there's a jealousy that is inherent in many institutions, Tim. It's in our economics, it's in our humanity, it's in our politics. I mean, people are probably envious of you. I'm sure, I'm sure you've experienced this.
- [94:05]
Tim Pool
And they're evil.
- [94:06]
James O'Keefe
And you have to be careful in a media organization because if you're the public figure and you have all these staffers who are helping you or. And you're making money and you're the owner, you're taking all the risks in your business, right? They, they may not have an equity stake. They can grow quite resentful. And, and at Project Veritas, a union, for lack of a better word, a union began to form. People began to go on strike and say, why is this guy getting all the credit? But what. Well, of course, he's also taking all the arrows. He's also, you know, getting raided, going raided, getting jailed. But they don't think about this, you know, so it's, it's. It's. And what, What I discovered was, and this really rocked my worldview is that our notion of right, left, it's. It's not really a thing. It's human nature. But watching all these right wingers behave like communists, they created this revolutionaries chat inside the company and they were just like, trying to find ways to hurt me.
- [94:57]
Tim Pool
Can you, can you, can you talk about the current state of Veritas in any, any. Like, how are they Doing or are you not? Not able.
- [95:03]
James O'Keefe
I guess they're on the verge of bankruptcy.
- [95:06]
Tim Pool
Well, hold on, that doesn't make sense. I thought they were the real talent behind everything.
- [95:10]
James O'Keefe
That's what they said. Yes. Well, in the board meeting in this.
- [95:12]
Tim Pool
Film sounds like communists.
- [95:13]
James O'Keefe
I'm going to shamelessly plug my movie in this. Okay, so in communism they say you can't have the farm without the farmer. That's a famous communist saying. It's the labor theory of value. They were arguing Project Veritas is not James o' Keefe, it's our, it's our employees, it's our labor. It was one of the great ironies of my life to watch people with master's degrees in economics make arguments out of the Communist Manifesto. It's mind blowing, mind blowing. But then you begin to realize it's human nature. One of the arguments made by Matthew Tiermon, the board member who fired me was he said, project Veritas, we will lose no output. We have plenty of employees. We don't need James o' Keefe anymore. And they had deluded themselves. Now you might say, well that's an irrational statement. I say it's rooted in envy. It's all about envy, jealousy. And I hate to say it because it sounds like self aggrandizing or something. I'm just reporting to you what happened. And when you watch this film and you see the vindictiveness, I mean it's, it's, it's, it's shocking. And Jordan Peterson talks about betrayal and how painful it is to, to face that that level of, of betrayal makes you.
- [96:27]
Tim Pool
And it's, and it's, it's jealousy.
- [96:29]
James O'Keefe
It's all jealousy.
- [96:30]
Tim Pool
I, I've, I've experienced it, man.
- [96:32]
James O'Keefe
Have you talk to me about that.
- [96:33]
Tim Pool
Have you nothing like what you've experienced?
- [96:35]
James O'Keefe
But if you.
- [96:35]
Tim Pool
This is crazy.
- [96:36]
James O'Keefe
Well, give me an example of something you have seen.
- [96:38]
Tim Pool
I've had numerous good friends of mine that I've known for a decade plus start making up fake stories to try and get clout.
- [96:47]
James O'Keefe
Friends of yours?
- [96:48]
Tim Pool
I don't call them friends. Now it's fascinating because I've got, I have some friends that are like liberal Hollywood elites. They've never said a bad word about me.
- [96:58]
James O'Keefe
They're liberal Hollywood elites.
- [97:00]
Tim Pool
Oh yeah, I've got, there's a friend of mine I haven't talked to in a few years and we're, you know, pretty good friends and they're a liberal actor and he's never said a bad thing about me and he's Very liberal, he's very activisty and he talks and, you know, has had the opportunity to despair. Nope.
- [97:17]
James O'Keefe
Do you think the conservative movement. I don't even know what conservative means anymore, but let's call it the conservative movement. This is more prevalent in the conservative because they're more individualistic, they're more competitive versus the liberal groups.
- [97:30]
Tim Pool
I think the example of it being more prevalent in the left is wokeness and the cult. It certainly exists on the right, but what happened to me with. There's one guy that I skated with for years when I was a teenager, lived at his house briefly, he put me up and then one day he's making up fake stories and he was using the fact that we used to be friends as a point of credibility to then lie and try and get media attention.
- [97:57]
Libby Emmons
Sucks.
- [97:58]
Tim Pool
Among the left. It's always because they're on the left and they want this path to be like, oh, I can give you exactly what you want because they're evil people. It's demonic. And I was shocked. I'm like, bro, like, what are you doing?
- [98:11]
James O'Keefe
But I'm sure as a very successful journalist, a very successful podcaster, you're incredibly successful and talented. You probably have experienced this type of envy from a lot of different people just because you're successful. Of course, in every way.
- [98:25]
Tim Pool
So look, there was a viral post on X where Bill Gates said that in 10 years we'll have a two day work week because AI will eliminate so many jobs. And I said, then the people who choose to work five days will make more money and the people who work two days will demand higher taxes than the people working five days because they're rich. And my point, Look, I work 14 to 16 hours every single day and some hours on the weekends. And I make a lot of money by doing it. And then the leftists demand I pay higher taxes for making more money because the presumption is I'm working the same amount as them and making more money than them, when the reality is I'm working more hours than them, more than double, which creates an exponential growth curve in developing a business and generating revenue.
- [99:17]
Libby Emmons
It's like that whole thing about, you know, women make some smaller amount on the dollar to men and it's like, well, they work less. Reasons for that.
- [99:26]
Tim Pool
Yeah, they work 32 hours on average.
- [99:27]
Libby Emmons
Reasons.
- [99:28]
Tim Pool
Yeah, we do have to go to chats. We got to read your chats. So smash that, like, button. Share the show with everyone. You know, we do have another sponsor keeping us going. It's Shop Beam Guys, I love this stuff. Okay, this is, this is Beam Dream and it's@shopbeam.com. i don't usually talk about sleep supplements unless I know they work. And Beam Dream is one that has become quite popular here at Tim Cast. We have the brownie batter one. It's so good. We actually have the cinnamon one too, but I've been drinking the brownie. It's like hot chocolate. The crew has been using Beam Dream. A couple people here have used it and that. I've heard good things and I've actually been using quite a bit now myself. Before Beam Dream, there'd be nights where myself and the crew would only get 5, 6 hours of sleep and oh man, you'd wake up groggy, hit a wall mid afternoon, feel like you're just pushing through the day. Since starting Beam Dream, everyone's getting eight to nine hours consistently. I can't speak for everybody else and exactly how well it's been going for them. What I can say is I have a sleep tracker and I've been, you know, look, call whatever you want, but I've been having one of these and it's like brownie batter in hot cocoa before bed. And my sleep score has been really high in the 90s. I've been sleeping better, I've been skating better, and I think sleep is a big issue. It's not just about the hours, but the quality of sleep. Fall asleep faster.
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James O'Keefe
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Tim Pool
Yeah, I've, I've had. Look, I. Like I said, I work nonstop. I track how many hours of physical activity I do every day and I'm trying to push it every single day. I like to figure out at what point I get strained from overexertion. And I've been doing consistently better. And I drink this before bed now. And I do think that sleep has been one of my things I've been missing.
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James O'Keefe
Me too. Do you do drink it every day or every other day?
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Tim Pool
In the past few days I haven't because I wasn't here, but I have a glass every night because it's delicious too. It's really good. Anyway. Anyway. I should read the rest of this. They say the best part is it tastes like hot cocoa. It does. It's really good. All natural sleep supporting ingredients. If sleep's been a struggle for you, even just falling asleep or staying asleep, I can't recommend it enough. I've even convinced Beam to bump up the discount code for you guys, head to shopbeam.com timpool use code timpool for up to 40% off. This is an exclusive for my followers. Don't miss out. If you've already tried it, drop a comment. I have the cinnamon one. I haven't tried it yet. I've only been doing the brownie, having the brownie batter because it's so good. But I was just, I was talking to my wife and I was just like, at any rate, it's a delicious cup of hot cocoa.
- [101:59]
James O'Keefe
It's really delicious. Again, I'm not paid to say this. I should, I should have them sponsor me, man.
- [102:04]
Tim Pool
Yeah, well, we're lucky you're here. We'll sell more and they'll.
- [102:07]
James O'Keefe
For real. I'm just gonna help you out. This product I use, this product helps me sleep. Just being honest with you. And it's delicious.
- [102:13]
Tim Pool
Yeah. You know, my thing was, is after the show, I just. I lay in bed for about an hour and I'm either, like, on my phone and I put on, like, the screen protector so it's red so you sleep better. And then I usually fall asleep around, like, midnight. And then I wake up at seven.
- [102:30]
Libby Emmons
It's hard to fall asleep after the.
- [102:31]
Tim Pool
Show because you're working, your heart rate's going up. Yeah, yeah. No, now I just go home, I make a glass of this, I sit down, and then I'm in bed in 15 minutes and I'm out. And now my sleep's gone up to about 7 hours, 47 hours and 45. I get an extra 45 minutes or up to an hour. And I don't know, you know, worth it. I don't, I don't know what about it it is. It's obviously, it's got melatonin and stuff in it. So maybe it's just. It's helpful. And plus, it's hydrating to drink before bed. So I think it's working out. But anyway, let's, let's, let's get your chats in. All right. Joey Giggle says, tim, like Adam Cuckover said, I don't watch your show. You don't watch Hassan's show. If Asman Gold can see that Hassan calls for violence, you should be able to as well. My point was that Hassan isn't explicitly stating, hey, you go do this thing. I said, he gets as close as he can to saying it without telling people to actually incite violence, like to direct them to do it. And I stand by that. I think I'M pretty sure Hasan came out and condemned the attacks. He said he doesn't agree with those things. I don't know that he actually believes it. I'm not saying that. I'm saying he wouldn't exist on the Internet if he was calling for these things. He wouldn't have the show that he does. All right, Tyler, Today news says, love the show I've been watching for years. I was wondering if you're considering raiding out to smaller streamers on Fridays since there's no after show I'll be streaming tonight. After your show. Indeed. So we're. Tales from the Inverted World is planning on going daily. So we had a really great show on the culture war today, talking about aliens, AI, other crazy stuff and big show. And somebody commented, said, we're just watching a rerun of art bell from 1994. And that's kind of the goal of what Inverted World wants to talk about. Weird mysteries, conspiracy, government, tech, AI, all that stuff. And so the plan is in about two, and I think maybe even just over a week, Inverted World's gonna be Monday through Thursday at 10:00pm oh, that's great. And so after IRL ends, we will raid Tales from the Inverted World. So for those that are kind of burned out on all the news and politics and you want to talk about Sasquatch, aliens and interdimensional beings, there will be a chill stoner weirdo show for you. Like, I love that, you know, just. But that also means for Friday, we don't have anything. And we, we, we've tried this before, like to, to raid other shows, you know. So there you go. All right, what do we got here? Ready to rumble. Says Tim is a terrible boss. He does not work hard. He reads in an air conditioned room. I'm a bricklayer. I work hard. Tim doesn't know what hard work is. Heavens to Betsy, a bricklayer. Bro, you wouldn't know hard work relative to what I do if, if it, if it bitch on the arsenal. I wish, you know, like I had this thing in October where I was like, I should quit. I don't want to do this anymore. It's too hard working 16 hour days, getting sued left and right. Having people come to your house, threaten to murder you. Man, to be a simple bricklayer. It's almost like that famous quote, better to be a fisherman than trifle in the affairs of men. So I, you know, I don't think.
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James O'Keefe
You could do that. I think you would. We'd go fish and then we'd want to come back to doing what we're doing.
- [105:29]
Tim Pool
You know, I was talking to Bill Maher, and one of the first things he's brought up, he's like, you know, I hear that you want to quit. And I was like. I was like, oh, yeah. He's like, what about your wife? Does she want you to quit? Does she enjoy this? And I was like, yeah, she wants to quit. And he was like, are you gonna do it? I was like, yes. And then he laughs. And then I hear in the production room after the show, they told me they were like laughing too. Cause they know it's not true. But my point was, you know, so I recommend you guys watch the Bill Maher episode when it comes out. Cause I thought he was. He was very nice. He was very respectful. It was not like most of the liberals we talked to. And I thought he was. Even though we disagreed, he laughed about it and it was good. But he was just like, if you walk away from it, the audience walks away as well. And they don't come back. Some might, but they don't come back. So don't give up what you have. Enjoy it. And I'm thinking to myself, no, that's kind of the point. There's a certain degree of. I told him, my wife and I feel obligated that, you know, she runs the administrative side of things. This, none of this would exist without her. She like the taxes, the paperwork, the filing, the employment, hr, like, she runs the business. I'm just a guy who complains on the camera, I complain on the Internet. And we both work way too much, 16 hour days. But we, when we've talked about, should we just be happy that we've succeeded and now we can go live in Wyoming and just live on a ranch. We both agree we owe everyone.
- [106:56]
James O'Keefe
You have a responsibility to your audience. You have a responsibility to all of them.
- [107:00]
Tim Pool
It's that we've gotten these nice things. And to take the money now and say we're walking away would feel like stealing. Like the life we've been afforded through our hard work is not a gift. It's a purchase. It is. We need what you do and we will support you so long as you keep doing it. And that's the obligation.
- [107:20]
James O'Keefe
Have you seen these comments about. About o' Keefe Media on the Internet, where they're like, we need you to get this. We need you to do this for free. It's like people feel entitled, you know, I'm talking about they feel entitled to my labor, which is also a communist. It's like Saying I deserve free health care. You're forcing someone else to work.
- [107:37]
Tim Pool
Well, this. This comment's communist too. The bricklayer works harder than the CEO of a company who works 16 hours a days and weekends. And it's just like, who gets death threats? Who gets swatted, Bro, I understand. Laying bricks is hard. And it's fascinating because the left their principal argument. They love to make things up. They say Tim's never worked a real day of labor in his life. I worked for two years as a ramp agent at O' Hare Airport. I lifted 50,000 pounds of luggage every single day. And we count because we have load manifests and we actually track the weight of the luggage and we add them up at the end of every day and it's like £13,000 of luggage every flight that we're lifting up and pulling on and off. And yeah, it was brutal and the pay was bad. And you know, I gotta be honest.
- [108:21]
Damani Felder
Still easier, you know. Can we talk about though, how it probably does look really easy for people who see the finished product? I'm sure sometimes you wish people could see everything that goes on behind the scenes, what's right off camera. Because even like myself, I am nowhere near the level of any of these greats I'm at the table with. From that standpoint, on social media, I know how difficult it is to get up, still work my normal job, and then come home. You have to edit, script, write, produce, post production. All these things are super difficult to do. But at when the video is done, it looks really easy. And I'm here to tell you, it is not easy to do what you do. And for people who are good at it, you should be rewarded for that effort that you put in.
- [108:56]
James O'Keefe
Well, Tim brought up one of the most important points is he said getting sued, man, some of these people that. Some of these woke. Right, whatever, commie communist esque people. Right.
- [109:07]
Tim Pool
It's funny.
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James O'Keefe
Whatever you want to call. I don't know if that's woke. Right. I'm not. No, no, that's a different separate. Are liberals separate thing that you get sued when you're the owner and the leader and you're the boss. And these people who betray. Oh, yeah, I'm still. I'm still defending them in the courts. I'm still indemnifying them.
- [109:24]
Tim Pool
Let me ask you a question. Have you.
- [109:25]
Libby Emmons
Didn't Veritas pull the legal counsel for some of the guys?
- [109:28]
James O'Keefe
Yeah, they pulled. When the FBI, like when they fired me from Project Veritas, I still had to pay their legal bills. While they were. I mean, it was the whole thing.
- [109:37]
Tim Pool
James, have you ever been sued because of the actions of an employee?
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James O'Keefe
What do you mean?
- [109:43]
Tim Pool
Have you ever been sued?
- [109:45]
James O'Keefe
Oh, sue personally. Yeah, I name names. Christian Hartsock. Really great, talented guy. Did the democracy partner story. He wasn't named in a lawsuit. I was sued. So he's the one who recorded the thing of Bob Kramer and they sued you? I'm personally. I'm currently defending myself for what my employee did. And by the way, I'm not complaining. I take that responsibility willingly, and I'm happy to accept that responsibility. What I don't accept is communist behavior, like what you're describing in the comments section, and envy and resentment towards me because you didn't endure what I had to endure. I didn't go through what I went through. Getting sued, jury trials, sleeping on a couch, raising a hundred bucks from nothing, starting in my dad's garage. Three years federal probation. You didn't take those risks. And what happens to people is they look at success and they think, oh, I can do that. That's easy.
- [110:41]
Tim Pool
Yep, they.
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James O'Keefe
And I'm.
- [110:43]
Tim Pool
They give up. They give up.
- [110:44]
James O'Keefe
Oh, they. They're not strong enough.
- [110:46]
Tim Pool
You know, when I.
- [110:47]
James O'Keefe
They're not strong enough.
- [110:48]
Tim Pool
When I worked for Vice, everybody saw these videos we were putting out. They're getting millions of views, and I'd get emails from people saying, I wanna do what you do. The moment I actually explained and they had an opportunity, they were like, nah. Yep, I don't wanna do that.
- [111:02]
Damani Felder
Yep.
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Tim Pool
It's like, no, what you want is the idea.
- [111:05]
James O'Keefe
Tim. I got sued last week. There's all these war stories. I swear to God, I'm not kidding. I got sued last week by this guy inside the Pentagon that I recorded that he was fired. FBI agent Jamie Menina. He was doing things he shouldn't have done. And the lawyer who's representing this guy, he's like, yeah, I'm a leftist. I hate Trump. Trump revoked my security clearance. I just want to make Okeefe's life a living hell. And I think that the lawsuits that we've dealt with are probably the hardest part about being a business owner. Right. The liabilities, man.
- [111:34]
Tim Pool
You know, I don't want to say too much because we settle all of these and so there's orders on them. But one of the hardest things about running a company is when you have employees who basically will burn down a building, take no responsibility, and then run. And it's. It's. You're left standing over the smoldering Ashes. And then you're like, okay, Nothing you can do about it. People. People do this. There are bad people out there.
- [112:06]
James O'Keefe
Some people just want to watch the world burn. Isn't that from a Batman? Yep. Movie.
- [112:10]
Tim Pool
Yep.
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James O'Keefe
Yep.
- [112:11]
Tim Pool
Let's. Let's grab some more Chin H. Wilder says, have a happy Memorial Day weekend, homies. Don't forget to take some time to remember those who fought and died at the endless fight for our freedoms. Absolutely. I'm a huge fan of tunnels to tunnel to towers. That is awesome. Buying houses for, you know, for. For moms and for wounded warriors and.
- [112:29]
Libby Emmons
All that stuff and money by doing the run. They do the run.
- [112:32]
Tim Pool
Yeah. Super cool. Mythos says Hamas piker did call for the assassination of a U.S. senator directly. Well, to be fair, he even got suspended for it. So I concede that point. My. My point this morning about the assassination was that people were claiming Hasan was responsible for this guy taking this action. And I don't like this stochastic terrorism argument they throw at everybody. So while I don't like Hassan's argument and I don't think he's a good person, I think he's disingenuous. I don't like hearing someone else is responsible because they had a bad opinion on the Internet that may have driven someone to a point of extremism or something like that. Hassan did say that about the senator. Okay, I'll give you that one for sure. My point is he's always danced on the razor's edge of avoiding making direct calls for action against random Jewish people or staffers or whatever. So I'm not going to pull the stochastic terrorism game. I don't want to do it because I think it's illogical. I think it's illogical. And I, you know, I. I'm not going to defend his right to free speech. I think it's silly that the ADL called for banning him if he got banned. I just chuckle and say, well, you know, you're not for free speech. I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna take time outta my day for you. But anyway. All right, what do we got? What do we have here? St. Miles says, what are the Fed prosecutors going to do about the second judge confronting the agents? I don't think that rose to the level of impropriety, I guess, or illegal activity. Misfit Brad says maybe a collapse of our elite class would require the smartest of the mid class to step into those roles, leaving the lazy and dumb to step in to maintain the structure they Will put Gatorade on crops. Yep.
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Libby Emmons
That's idiocracy in.
- [114:15]
Tim Pool
Yep. And so the funny thing is, Veritas obviously succeeded. Obviously succeeded because of whatever James O' Keefe has. And James O' Keefe is a strange guy. He DJs, he moonwalks.
- [114:28]
James O'Keefe
It's true.
- [114:29]
Tim Pool
He's an intrepid journalist. It's a very weird combination, but it's okay.
- [114:32]
Libby Emmons
He definitely throws good parties.
- [114:34]
Tim Pool
Those the best parties, the biggest parties.
- [114:35]
James O'Keefe
Thank you.
- [114:36]
Tim Pool
And whatever this is that comes together was the nexus for creating this organization. And they thought they could pull the nucleus from it and survive, and they could not.
- [114:47]
James O'Keefe
It's a dark part of human nature. It's a dark part of human nature. And it's. And it's a great film. I got to plug it again. O'keefemediagroup.com the truth inside Veritas, if you want to see, you know, it's story.
- [115:00]
Tim Pool
I was the last time, I think was the last time, or maybe second last time I was on Joe's show, Rogan, he asked, he said something like, how much do you record per day? Or whatever. And I was like, I think. I think I'm doing about three, three hours. And he's like, this is three hours of work per day. And I was like, yeah, Joe, it's 12 hours of research, administrative. And he was like, oh, oh, oh, oh. Because Joe works a lot too, but his podcast is conversational. So he sits down, talks someone, and then he says, okay, we're good. And so I know that he does ad reads and there's a little bit more to it than that, but his perspective is, you know, it's like, it's a two hour podcast. It's three hours of work. For me, it's like, no, it's three hours of reading news, three hours of recording, three hours of reading.
- [115:42]
James O'Keefe
And the production asset work you guys do, getting all these things lined up, that's a lot of technical work.
- [115:47]
Tim Pool
Yeah.
- [115:47]
James O'Keefe
At least in our case. But going back to the heart of darkness thing, this is a quote from Apocalypse now. And I think it's especially true to see people crack when people are. The fragility and the. The adversity. When you're faced with adversity in an institution where you're going after the most powerful people in the world, that reveals the true darker nature inside of people. That really separates the men from the boys. When the FBI comes in knocking, when they start suing you, you can really tell the difference between someone who has integrity and character and weak and I've seen weak men. I don't know if there's a difference between weakness and evil, because weakness makes men do things they don't want to do.
- [116:31]
Tim Pool
Like Peter Pettigrew. I know that. Absolutely. See, millennials can only understand politics through the lens of Harry Potter, liberal ones. And so if we can convert.
- [116:40]
Libby Emmons
I read all those books and watched.
- [116:42]
Tim Pool
All the movies, but we were both liberals, you know, so we were very much entrenched. So we can translate for the liberal millen. Peter Pettigrew was good friends with the Potters. He was their secret keeper. But he was weak and terrified of Voldemort, so he sold them out and then became evil. Not because he wanted anything from the evil side, but because he was terrified of what they do to him.
- [116:59]
Libby Emmons
And then he literally had to live his life as a rat man.
- [117:02]
Tim Pool
Right.
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Libby Emmons
Yeah.
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James O'Keefe
It's a great fingernails.
- [117:05]
Libby Emmons
Were discussing the whole thing.
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James O'Keefe
Yeah.
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Tim Pool
J.K. rowling. She made. She. She wrote some good stories.
- [117:09]
Libby Emmons
She did write some good stories.
- [117:10]
Tim Pool
Yeah. I don't like the movies, like the new movies, the animals ones or whatever that is. I think it's silly.
- [117:14]
Libby Emmons
Boring.
- [117:14]
Tim Pool
Yeah. Boring and dumb.
- [117:15]
Libby Emmons
Yeah. That's the problem with it. It's boring.
- [117:16]
Tim Pool
I. I've been saying J.K. rowling needs to write a sequel Harry Potter series where the villain is communist because obviously Harry Potter is just about magic Hitler.
- [117:25]
Libby Emmons
Right.
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Tim Pool
Voldemort's like, everyone should be magical. Not non magical. Magic supremacy. As like. Yeah, we get it. He's. He's European Hitler. He's magic Europe Hitler, whatever. Or I don't even say Europe is magic Hitler, but she should do one where it's magic Stalin. Where one of the magic nations colludes with governments to develop technology that can suppress or deflect magic spells because they believe no one should be able to have magic because it puts them above and their oppressors.
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Libby Emmons
Oh, yeah. To be like that Vonnegut. Harrison Bergeron.
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Tim Pool
Yeah, something like that. The idea being that you get a new villain who believes that people with magic powers oppress those without. And so they conspire with governments of the Muggle world to go to war and oppress and strip the powers away from.
- [118:10]
Libby Emmons
I think of Harrison Bergeron every day because I'll be sitting there writing and my cat will come over and start meowing and I'll be like, stop erasing my thoughts.
- [118:21]
Tim Pool
That's a good story. You should read it. If you hadn't. What was it? Athletic? People had to carry weights.
- [118:26]
Libby Emmons
Yeah. The ballerina, like they broke her Legs. Because she wasn't so good at ridiculous.
- [118:32]
Tim Pool
Yep. Shane, Walter says the Konami code is up, up, down, down. Left, right, left, right, B, A start. Up, up, down, down. Left, right, left, right, B, a start. Contra 99 lives.
- [118:42]
Libby Emmons
Everybody knows this. I know a lot of loose, useless stuff too.
- [118:46]
Damani Felder
Yeah.
- [118:47]
Libby Emmons
And, yep. I used to know only useless stuff about plays and theater and like, what different kinds of lights were called and like what happens in the seagull. And now I know a lot of useless stuff, stuff about politics.
- [119:01]
Damani Felder
One day. One day it'll come in handy.
- [119:03]
Libby Emmons
It comes in handy on the show. And I'm like, oh, I knew that.
- [119:06]
Tim Pool
Okay, okay, let's. Let's see what else we have in the old. The old chat box. Devin Porter says a magnetic pole shift won't create a cataclysmic continental shift. It would take a magnetic field several times stronger than a magnetar to move the Earth's crust 1 inch in any direction. The Earth's magnetic field is 25K to 166K, weaker than an MRI machine.
- [119:28]
Damani Felder
Talking about Adam and Eve's story.
- [119:29]
Libby Emmons
What's a magnetron?
- [119:30]
Tim Pool
The Adam and Eve conspiracy theory.
- [119:33]
Damani Felder
Yeah.
- [119:33]
Tim Pool
Or whatever.
- [119:33]
Damani Felder
I heard about that.
- [119:34]
Tim Pool
A magnetron.
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Libby Emmons
Yeah, the Adam and Eve conspiracy.
- [119:37]
Tim Pool
Magnetar.
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Libby Emmons
All the questions.
- [119:39]
Tim Pool
Magnetar is a magnetic star or something.
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Damani Felder
Every 6,500 years, yeah, there's a pole shift and it destroys civilization.
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Tim Pool
The planet tilts and moves in a different direction. Here's. Here's what I think is possible, though. You ever see that thing they do in space where they take the T shaped tool and they spin it and then it periodically will flip the other direction? Could be like that, you know, or I'm talking about mass and I have no idea. I'm not a scientist and I have no idea. But there are a lot of people that believe the polls are shifting now. And there are several news reports. Even CNN reported it. The polls have shifted. They're moving. So an interesting thing happened where the North Pole shifted a bit too far and then instruments for aviation were wrong.
- [120:21]
Libby Emmons
That's why the compass got weird. Right.
- [120:23]
Tim Pool
Is that. Is that what it was? Yeah, yeah, something like that. And so there are. The Adam and Eve theorists believe that we're on the verge of a cataclysmic pole shift where the poles will flip, but in the process the planet will twist and tilt down. And South America on the globe like this will be like this. Along the equator going around the South Pole becomes. At the equator, the. Like Florida will be. Canada will. I think what, what happens Canada. It's, it's going to be long ways. It's going to be tilting it. So I think what happens is Florida ends up near the equator or something like that.
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Libby Emmons
It's already.
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Damani Felder
Florida's already close.
- [121:03]
Libby Emmons
Yeah.
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Damani Felder
Wouldn't Florida.
- [121:04]
James O'Keefe
Yeah.
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Tim Pool
So if, if, if north, South America are like this and it goes like this.
- [121:08]
Damani Felder
Yeah.
- [121:09]
Tim Pool
Then Florida is slightly south of the. Slightly north of the equator. Yeah, would be slightly north. And then California would be. Would be cold. California would be like Canada.
- [121:20]
Libby Emmons
That's what they deserve.
- [121:23]
Tim Pool
Well, to be fair, they already are like Canada in other ways.
- [121:25]
Libby Emmons
Right.
- [121:26]
Tim Pool
Exactly, my friends. Smash the like button. Share the show with everyone. You know, it is Memorial Day weekend, okay. And, and it is to honor those who have sacrificed everything so that we can relax, have a beer and a burger. And this, this country is built on the sacrifice of people who wanted you to succeed. And so we remember that and we get an extra. We get a time to relax. But it's the gift they've given us. It's not the three day weekend. Like Kamala shouted out and everyone got mad about. So I hope you do have a good time and I hope you remember why. Smash the like button. Share the show with everyone. You know. You can follow me on X and Instagram Imcast General, would you like to start and shut something up?
- [122:06]
Damani Felder
Sure. The Damani Felder on TikTok on X, Damani Bryant Felder on Facebook and Damani Felder on YouTube. Doing my best to just do my part to speak the truth to whoever will listen.
- [122:17]
James O'Keefe
James o' Keefe here. Watch the new film the Truth Inside Veritas Part 1. The Truth Inside Veritas. O' Keefe Media Group.com Subscribe@O' KeefeMediaGroup.com to see what really happened inside Project Veritas. You won't want to miss this.
- [122:33]
Tim Pool
It's really well made.
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James O'Keefe
Thank you.
- [122:36]
Tim Pool
I was like, why don't we have a production team like James?
- [122:37]
James O'Keefe
Yeah, tell me, how are you going.
- [122:39]
Libby Emmons
To have a production team like James o' Keeffe?
- [122:41]
Tim Pool
I'm not talking about the undercover.
- [122:42]
James O'Keefe
Tell me your reaction to the film.
- [122:44]
Tim Pool
Oh, it was, it was, it was, it was a, it was an entertaining film. It was like the music, the, the editing, like everything you guys did in it. It's like I was, I was entertained. Yeah. Yeah, you guys did a good job. And I looked at my wife and I was like, we got to get a team that can do videos like this because we're, we're very much live. We.
- [123:03]
James O'Keefe
A lot of work, man.
- [123:03]
Tim Pool
I know.
- [123:04]
James O'Keefe
Took us two months to make that hour long film. Broke paintings. Well, yeah. We didn't have to go to the desert and chase the cartel down like we did.
- [123:12]
Tim Pool
The fight scene between you and the giant lizard. I was.
- [123:16]
Libby Emmons
And the fact that it wasn't cgi, you know.
- [123:19]
Tim Pool
Right. They actually made the giant lizard in a giant lab.
- [123:22]
Libby Emmons
Yeah. I'm Libby Emmons. You can check out everything we're doing at thepostmillennial.com and humanevents.com and I would love if you subscribe to my newsletter. I write it up every day and send it out and people seem to like it, which I'm very grateful for. And you can subscribe to that@thepostmillennial.com Libby and I just want to thank our sponsor this month, Merriweather Farms. I've really appreciated it.
- [123:45]
Tim Pool
Before we go, one more super chat from Viral Syndicate. Because he says Phil skipped my super chat the other day. I don't think it was intentional. We raise money as we can. But he did say May 18th marked eight years since Chris Cornell passed in two months. Is Chester Bennington just keeping them alive? Rest in peace, Mental Health Awareness and Hybrid Theory is one of the best albums ever. And Chris Cornell was a genius. And Like a Stone is one of the greatest songs, if not the greatest song ever written. I'm not kidding. And I am surprised so many people who are Christian have not listened to that song. So aside from being a good song, I definitely recommend you listen to that one and really listen to the lyrics. Thank y' all for hanging out and we're back on Tuesday. We'll see you then. Marketing is hard, but I'll tell you a little secret. It doesn't have to be. Let me point something out. You're listening to a podcast right now and it's great. You love the host. You seek it out and download it. You listen to it while driving, working out, cooking, even going to the bathroom. Podcasts are a pretty close companion. And this is a podcast ad. Did I get your attention? You can reach great listeners like yourself with podcast advertising from Libsyn Ads. Choose from hundreds of top podcasts offering host endorsements or run a pre produced ad like this one across thousands of shows. To reach your target audience in their favorite podcasts with Libsyn ad, go to libsynads. Com, that's L, I B S Y N Ads. Com Today.