Timcast IRL: "VP Says No Unity With Democrats Celebrating Charlie Kirk Assassination, Left Confirmed w/ Sloe Jack"

Date: September 16, 2025
Host: Tim Pool and Timcast Panel
Main Guest: Sloe Jack
Key Panelists: Tate Brown, Shane Cashman, Phil Labonte

Episode Overview

This intense, wide-ranging episode focuses on the aftermath of the assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk. Tim Pool and his panel dissect national unity (or the lack thereof) in the wake of the killing, the left's and right's responses, political violence, tech/media narrative manipulation, and the role of fringe online communities. The conversation is raw, emotional, and confrontational, reflecting the deepening polarization in the US.

Key Themes & Discussion Points

1. No Unity With Those Celebrating Political Violence

[01:11]–[04:37]

• VP J.D. Vance filled in for Charlie Kirk after his assassination and declared:
  • “There will be no unity with those who are celebrating the death, the assassination of Charlie Kirk.”
  • Vance points out that while not all Democrats are to blame, many on the left are celebrating, excusing, or lying about Kirk’s murder.
• Media & Narrative Shifts:
  • Left initially celebrated, but shifted blame to right-wing figures like Nick Fuentes, even as Axios and mainstream reports debunked these claims.
  • Motive allegedly tied to transgender ideology, according to multiple sources.

Tim Pool [03:31]:
“Mainstream moderate liberals are defending the suspected shooter, obfuscating his ideology, covering it up, and lying about the engravings on the bullets because they realize they actually support this.”

2. Leftist Rhetoric and Mainstreaming of Political Bloodlust

[11:40]–[19:00]

• Vance’s Statement Analyzed:
  • He was careful to distinguish between violent fringe and ordinary liberals/Democrats.
  • The panel challenges the idea of unity with those who justify or minimize political violence.
• Examples of Incendiary Rhetoric:
  • Liberal streamer Destiny blamed Trump’s presidency and suggested violence would continue unless conservatives appeased the left.
  • Panel calls this posture “terrorism,” (i.e., using fear to alter political expression).
• Workplace Responses:
  • Discussion on the appropriateness of firing people who openly cheer political killings.
  • Shift from “cancel culture” to what the panel calls “accountability.”

Sloe Jack [14:28]:
“People are dead, people have been shot...They've just demonstrated that they're done with us, you know, and if they want people like Charlie gone, imagine what they want for someone who's got similar beliefs like you or me or whatever.”

3. The Shooter’s Ideological Alignment and Media Manipulation

[20:32]–[23:27]

• Shooter’s Background:
  • Motivated by gender ideology, highly aligned with the cultural mainstream of the Democratic party.
  • Not a “fringe” Antifa extremist, but someone whose ideology is said to be widely accepted on the (mainstream) left.
• Media Obfuscation Tactics:
  • Use of out-of-context quotes; deliberate reframing of motives; memetic manipulation.

Tim Pool [21:12]:
“Charlie Kirk was nice. He did not believe these psychotic things they're lying about...As far as we can tell, the only motivating factor was gender ideology, which of course is an ideology aligned with every single Democrat in Congress. This is not fringe.”

4. The Role of Online Extremism, Culture, and Radicalization

[39:38]–[57:35]

• Transgender/Accelerationist Online Cults:
  • Panel discusses “death cults” online, with Discord servers and social networks where plans are allegedly discussed and killings celebrated.
  • FBI reportedly investigating accounts with foreknowledge of the Kirk shooting.

Shane Cashman [39:51]:
“He's a possessed muppet [referring to Destiny]...Who bailed out the arsonists in 2020? Who ignored David Dorn getting shot in the head? The left was cheering on all that destruction.”

• Grooming and Radicalization of Atomized Youth:
  • Sloe Jack and Shane Cashman express concern about young, isolated individuals being targeted and radicalized in online communities.

5. Media & NGOs: Data Bias and Narrative Laundering

[42:07]–[47:48]

• How Violence Statistics Are Manipulated:
  • Tim Pool and panel break down how groups like the ADL and left-aligned NGOs classify different types of violence to pin the majority of blame on the right.
  • Satirical proposal to create a right-leaning NGO to “flip the script.”

6. Political Violence as an Ideological Tool

[48:45]–[65:11]

• Danger of “Punch a Nazi” Justifications:
  • Concern over how “Nazi” and “fascist” labels have been applied so broadly that moderate conservatives (like Kirk) are dehumanized and made into targets.
  • Cheering for violence seen as a form of virtual martyrdom among leftist radicals.

Phil Labonte [54:22]: "When you say, I believe that violence should be used and I endorse using violence to modify people's political expression. That is terrorism. And is exactly what Destiny's saying."

7. Conspiracy Theories and Misdirection after the Assassination

[66:16]–[79:34]

• Alternative Narratives:
  • Blaming Israel, “deep state”, or even right-wing actors circulates quickly, diverting attention from evidence at hand.
• Discussion on Skepticism and Manipulation:
  • While remaining open to skepticism (citing historical government cover-ups), most panelists agree the evidence overwhelmingly supports the shooter’s ideological alignment with the left.

8. Civil Strife and the Risk of Escalation

[82:43]–[91:51]

• Current Landscape:
  • Discussion broadens to the idea that America is in a period of “civil strife” or “ideological war,” not (yet) a full civil war but with significant, repeated outbreaks of political violence.

Notable & Memorable Quotes

• J.D. Vance (via Pool) [11:40]:
  "I'm desperate for our country to be united in condemnation of the actions and the ideas that killed my friend. I want it so badly... We can only have it with people who acknowledge that political violence is unacceptable."

• Tate Brown [12:16]:
  “No unity. It's so refreshing seeing J.D. Vance say this ... One side is evil and has demonstrated that we should be killed for our beliefs, and then the other side is just saying, let's have a debate.”

• Destiny (quoted by Tim, referencing Piers Morgan appearance) [25:37]: "If you wanted Charlie Kirk to be alive, Trump should not have been president in the second term."

• Phil Labonte [31:34]:
  "That's just terrorism. He's endorsing terrorism. He's saying that people should be afraid of being killed because of their politics. That is what terrorism is."

• Shane Cashman [86:01]: “It's human nature. Yeah, well, the 60s in this country, we're going through it again right now.”

Important Timestamps by Segment

• [01:11] – Tim’s introduction: J.D. Vance’s “no unity with those celebrating Charlie Kirk’s assassination.”
• [09:08] – Shane: The rise of “American death cults;” radicalization parallels to historical events.
• [12:16] – Panel reaction to Vance’s statement on unity (or lack thereof).
• [15:10] – Reflection on Kirk’s moderation and approach to debate vs. others like Milo Yiannopoulos.
• [21:12] – Tim: The shooter’s ideology is mainstream Democrat, not fringe left.
• [25:37] – Destiny’s quote on “Trump should not have been president.”
• [31:34] – Philabonte defines Destiny’s rhetoric as “terrorism.”
• [39:38] – Shane and Tim: Changing narratives after the assassination, Democrats’ internal conflicts.
• [54:39] – Panel on radical online grooming and Discord, Reddit, Roblox.
• [66:29] – Tim & Shane: Debunking alternative (Israel/deep state/right wing) conspiracy theories.
• [82:43] – Tim: Modern civil strife and what “civil war” could look like in America.
• [86:05] – Shane: Parallels to the political violence of the 1960s (Malcolm X, etc.)
• [91:51] – Tate: “They don’t kill Charlie Kirk if they think they’re winning. They kill him when they’re completely demoralized…”
• [99:55] – Panel explores possible leaks/collaboration leading to Kirk’s assassination and how “simple” explanations are often more likely than grand conspiracies.

Episode Conclusion

The panel concludes that the American political landscape has fundamentally changed, with no possibility of unity so long as open celebration or justification of political violence persists. The panel issues strong warnings about the dangers of radicalization (both online and off), calls out perceived media dishonesty, and identifies the threat of further escalation. The specter of “civil strife” is no longer hypothetical but, in the panel’s eyes, a daily reality.

The final moments include lighter post-show banter, acknowledgements of fans, and commentary on how deeply fractured the American information and political ecosystems have become.

Summary for New Listeners

This episode is a sobering, often heated breakdown of the fallout from Charlie Kirk’s assassination. The Timcast crew and guests scrutinize the response from both political sides, the role of media spin, and the risk of further violence and polarization in American society. Notable moments include J.D. Vance’s uncompromising stand on unity, sharp criticisms of left-leaning media and internet radicals, and a candid warning that the US is in a period of political civil strife. The tone is impassioned, sometimes strident—a reflection of the gravity of current events.