White House Drops ALIENS.GOV, Saying THEY WALK AMONG US w/ Will Chamberlain

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Episode: White House Drops ALIENS.GOV, Saying THEY WALK AMONG US w/ Will Chamberlain
Date: May 29, 2026
Host: Tim Pool (Timcast Media)
Featured Guest: Will Chamberlain
Format: Hard-hitting, unscripted panel discussion on major news, politics, and social trends.

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Episode Overview

This lively episode centers around the recent release of the "aliens.gov" website by the White House—a trolling publicity stunt that plays on public fascination with extraterrestrials but turns out to be about illegal immigration. Alongside this, Tim Pool, Will Chamberlain, Carter Banks, and Ian Crossland debate conspiracy theories, the crisis of institutional faith in America, the rise of left- and right-wing radicalism, judicial gamesmanship, the political cult of personality, and the troubling role of manipulation in media and politics. They also address the effects of AI, the realities of influence and deception online, and the persistent issue of China as America's primary adversary.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The "Aliens.gov" Prank and Political Messaging

• The White House released a declassified-style “aliens.gov” site hinting at UFOs, but it’s a thinly veiled piece on illegal immigration.
• Tim: “Aliens.gov is meant to look like space aliens and that whole thing is just illegal aliens. They were just screwing with everybody.” [02:07]
• Conversation unfolds about political marketing, generating buzz, and clickbait messaging.

2. Conspiracy Theories: From UFOs to Governance

• The panel riffs on “Terra Infinita,” “Crater Earth,” and “Greater Earth” conspiracies, tying in modern memes like Valhalla and political elites hiding out post-office.
• Will: “Conspiracy theories seem very inefficient... Wouldn’t it be easier to just put us all on a battery farm?” [16:07]
• Explores why humans are drawn to complex stories about elites and secret control.

3. Structural and Procedural Issues in Government

• Examination of the SAVE Act stalemate—why legislation to restrict illegal voting is stymied in the Senate despite GOP majorities.
• Will: “If you get rid of the filibuster, you’re more likely to get a broad amnesty than you would be to get the SAVE Act passed... even among more conservative Republicans.” [19:45]
• Tim: “I really don’t care about the SAVE Act at this point, because I think we are beyond this as a country.” [21:34]
• Insight: Increasing polarization has shifted Democrats toward activism and street action, Republicans toward procedural and institutional strategies.

4. Failures of the Legal System & Abuse of Judicial Process

• Detailed analogy of courtroom doctrines of “ripeness” and “mootness”; how legal technicalities allowed election rules to change pre-2020 and challenges were blocked post-facto.
• Tim: “The courts were doing in 2020 what I call the ‘hammer analogy’… [Republicans] said, hey, they changed the rules of the election unconstitutionally, this will cause damages. And they’re correct.” [29:39]
• Will echoes frustration with no-win scenarios presented by abuse of legal timing.

5. Civil Authority, Insurrection, and Community Crisis

• Viral episodes of ICE employees deferring to leftist activists and threats against public figures (Justice Barrett swatting incident, threats to Erica Kirk).
• Tim: “When regular people start to feel that the true authority lies with the insurrectionists and the terrorists, this is when you get civil war.” [34:41]

6. Leadership, Brutality, and the Balance of Power

• Debates whether a leader needs to be “brutal” (authoritarian) to maintain order and prevent radical uprisings, referencing Animal Farm and historical dictators.
• Will: “That’s why the joke is, lord, give me the Trump that Democrats claim he is. Because he’s not [brutal].” [37:37]
• Tim: “We need leaders that just act that way. We need Donald Trump to be a little bit more serious. We need a DOJ that just arrests and charges people and gets the job done.” [43:42]

7. Manipulating Mass Opinion: The Washington, Media, and Algorithms

• Discussion on how influencers, podcasts, and political personalities like Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens shift allegiances, seemingly for market capture rather than ideology.
• Tim: “Candace is targeting 35 year old women. That’s why she has the Stan Lee mug, you know. She does like true crime drama dating.” [66:03]
• Will: “People get pulled where their audience is... Once you go [global], there’s a feedback effect.” [62:13]
• Debate whether shifts in content are due to authenticity, algorithmic nudging, or opportunism.

8. Deception and Success: Ethics in Politics and Business

• Panel asserts that high-level political and business success almost always involves skillful communication, rapport-building, and, at times, deception.
• Tim: “Candace Owens, they’re not accidentally multimillionaires, leaders of industry. It is not an accident.” [78:43]
• Will: “Ideas are a dime a dozen. I don’t care about ideas. I care about execution.” [81:14]

9. America’s Foreign Adversaries: Is China the Real Enemy?

• In-depth criticism of America’s preoccupation with Israel vs. China, arguing that China deploys vastly greater resources to influence US media, academia, and politics.
• Tim: “China is a much bigger adversary on the global stage... They spend 400 million on lobbying. They’re buying farmland near military bases, taking pictures of our military installations... But there are people who have been convinced that the biggest threat we face is a country the size of New Jersey [Israel].” [107:12]
• Discussion of TikTok as a case of algorithmic political influence.

10. AI, Media Fragmentation, and Civilizational Tension

• How the rise of AI and social media influencers dilutes attention and accountability, fueling cultural and political division.
• Tim: “What happens is, people like Tucker and Candace need to maintain those views. And if you are unscrupulous, you’ll say whatever you have to say to get the views.” [84:07]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

"Aliens.gov is meant to look like space aliens and that whole thing is just illegal aliens. They were just screwing with everybody.”
— Tim Pool (02:07)

“Conspiracy theories seem very inefficient... Wouldn’t it be easier to just put us all on a battery farm?”
— Will Chamberlain (16:07)

“If you get rid of the filibuster, you’re more likely to get a broad amnesty than you would be to get the SAVE Act passed... even among more conservative Republicans.”
— Will Chamberlain (19:45)

“When regular people start to feel that the true authority lies with the insurrectionists and the terrorists, this is when you get civil war.”
— Tim Pool (34:41)

“That’s why the joke is, lord, give me the Trump that Democrats claim he is. Because he’s not [brutal].”
— Will Chamberlain (37:37)

“The courts were doing in 2020 what I call the ‘hammer analogy’…”
— Tim Pool (29:39)

“Candace is targeting 35 year old women. That’s why she has the Stan Lee mug... She does like true crime drama dating.”
— Tim Pool (66:03)

“China is a much bigger adversary on the global stage than any other country... But there are people... who have been convinced that the biggest threat we face is a country the size of New Jersey.”
— Tim Pool (107:12)

“What happens is, people like Tucker and Candace need to maintain those views. And if you are unscrupulous, you’ll say whatever you have to say to get the views.”
— Tim Pool (84:07)

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Important Timestamps

• 02:07 — 08:00: White House "Aliens.gov" prank dissected
• 14:00 — 17:00: Deep-dive into “Greater Earth” conspiracy theory
• 19:35 — 23:36: SAVE Act and Senate filibuster politics explained
• 29:39 — 34:41: Legal system ripeness/mootness and civil authority crisis
• 34:41 — 37:37: ICE facility extremism and civil war concerns
• 43:42 — 47:47: Calls for “brutal” leadership and historical examples
• 62:13 — 66:03: Algorithmic manipulation and influencer market strategies
• 81:14 — 84:07: Execution vs. ideas; deception and podcasting economics
• 107:12 — 112:05: China vs. Israel as America’s biggest adversary
• 114:53 — 116:58: Closing banter and Q&A

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Tone & Style Notes

The tone is informal, direct, and frequently sardonic, blending serious analysis with humorous asides and meta-commentary. There’s an ongoing sense of urgency (“it’s getting crazy out there”), frustration at institutional decay, and skepticism towards mainstream narratives. While deeply critical of “the system,” the host and guests exhibit wit, inside-baseball knowledge, and a touch of cynicism about their own industry.

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Final Takeaways

• The "aliens.gov" stunt exemplifies political trolling and the collapse of public trust.
• Institutional gridlock, legal technicalities, and lack of strong leadership are driving America toward instability.
• Manipulation—by media, influencers, and foreign powers (especially China)—is undermining civic cohesion and clarity.
• Success in politics and media is more about rapport, execution, and controlling the narrative than about “having good ideas.”
• AI, social fragmentation, and the economics of attention are reshaping both the opportunities and dangers in American public life.

For further debate and exclusive content, listeners are encouraged to join the Timcast community and Rumble aftershow.

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Now, the big news today outside of this, this really was the most general interest story, to be honest. But Amy Coney Barrett, sitting Supreme Court justice, was swatted. A man was arrested for threatening to murder Erica Kirk. And we have the active insurrection outside of the Newark ICE facility where employees of this facility have deferred authority to the extremists. Not an exaggeration. There is. There are viral videos showing the employees asking the. The activists, the insurgents and the terrorists for permission, calling them up to search the ICE vehicles before being allowed to pass. This is extremely dangerous. I'll put it like that. Extremely dangerous. So we'll talk about that and many, many more big stories as it's. It's getting crazy out there. Before we do, my friends, we got a great sponsor for you. It is Venice. This AI Leading AI models say they don't sell your data. Do you believe them? ChatGPT is the former director of the NSA sitting on a board. 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We, we fantasize about saving the lives of people we don't even know because we are here for each other. The Internet has become a, let's just call it sad place because of the Internet. We don't know our neighbors anymore. We don't know who lives next to us. Now, I can't immediately remedy that, but what I can say is for many of you who are looking for community, go to timcast.com and join the discord where you'll be talking with people you may disagree with, you may agree with, but we are creating a space centered around certain values and ideas. As a member of a community, you can build things, you can change the world and you have that support group. That's what it was always supposed to be about. We could do things like exclusive video access, and we do. But the real value for all of you is that there is a network of people that are there for you and that you can be there for. And as members of this community, you make this, this show possible. So join us. Don't just sit idly by lonely, watching the show by yourself. You get in the discord and you're hanging out with a ton of people who are talking about the show, the actual voice chats, and then you can even call in and talk to us. Plus, we've got special members only events, newsletters. We are really trying to make this about building community. And I'll tell you why. We could do a lot of things here and I'll, I'll get a little deep with it because this is, this is more than just the business we operate. What are we here on this earth for? There used to be a great American vision and we were Americans, we believed in the same things. We viewed the world similarly. We stood side by side. But now we are becoming dejected. We are experiencing social discohesion. To me, the most important thing is family and community. And so that's what I've been working on, my own family and trying to build something as a business that means more than, than just selling a product, a place where people can hang out, share, and that's really all that matters. You know, I was thinking about it. I don't care about what people are doing in France. I don't care about what people are doing in Russia necessarily. I mean, unless they're funding wars against us and stuff like this. At the end of the day, what really matters is the people we care about, the people around us and those that share our values and ideas. And we need to have that community space. So join [e-mail] don't forget to also smash the like button and share this show with everyone you know. Tell them to also join the community and have these debates, have these conversations. Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more, of course, is Will Chamberlain.

[Will Chamberlain]

Good to be with you guys. I'm senior Counsel, the Article 3 project, but I'm not here in that capacity today because I'm wearing a campaign T shirt, so you can't.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, you don't, you don't, you don't like Thomas Massey, huh?

[Will Chamberlain]

What? Did he lose?

[Tim Pool]

Indeed he did lose.

[Will Chamberlain]

He lost. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. For those that are just listening, he's wearing an Ed G shirt. Well, he won, you know, so. Well, it's good to have you. Well, we, we have a lot to talk about. Of course. We got the boys hanging out.

[Carter Banks]

What's going on? Was the shirt bought before the primary?

[Will Chamberlain]

No, no, I bought the shirt like last week.

[Carter Banks]

I was like, that'd be, that'd be impressive for Kalshi Kalsi betting purposes.

[Will Chamberlain]

No, Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, I have concerns about G though, because when I went to his farm's Instagram, there were no chickens.

[Carter Banks]

Oh, really?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. That's, that's, that's suspicious.

[Will Chamberlain]

It was that easy to win your endorsement. I'm sure that.

[Tim Pool]

Well, you know, Massey's got chickens, 7,000

[Carter Banks]

eggs deposited right into your bag.

[Tim Pool]

He's got the Clux capacitor. He built this, like, automated solar powered chicken coop system that moves. I mean, it's brilliant. And, you know, I have questions. I have questions. But anyway, Ian's hanging out.

[Ian Crossland]

Hey, guys. That was what you said, Tim, is very true about community.

[Carter Banks]

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[Ian Crossland]

That's Why I started doing YouTube in the first place. I thought, what would Jesus do with this technology?

[Tim Pool]

How could he help?

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And I got scared.

[Tim Pool]

Brought people together.

[Ian Crossland]

It does, dude. And in the beginning, I got scared about cult. Forming a cult and communism and how cult of personality can breed a communist revolution. But community is the antidote to communism. It really is like a tight community of people. And the way the Internet works is you kind of vibrate towards a central focus and you meet people that are like you, you find your significant other.

[Tim Pool]

I agree with you. But I want to clarify the cult like world that exists within a communist system or a cult itself. It's because people don't have community. So they're desperate to say or do whatever it takes to feel that. So a real community where people can actually share ideas, debate each other, and be encouraged to have rational thoughts and disagreements is a remedy for cult and communism.

[Ian Crossland]

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[Tim Pool]

Thank you for being part of this. Awesome. Yeah, we had a great caller last night who was a legitimate rancher, and he was in the discord. So you should definitely join the discord to call in for the aftershock, bro. Listen, you got these. These WF guys who are like, people shouldn't eat meat, so we should get this tick that makes you allergic to meat. And I'm just like, I don't believe anything they say about meat. You know, when they're like, did you know that farmers, like, mercilessly beat the cows? I'm like, I don't believe you, because you are advocating for forcing people to develop allergies to meat. But anyway, let's get to the news and we'll get into all that stuff. Carter. Of course, pressing all the buttons. We've got this. My friends from WhiteHouse.gov aliens. In fact, if you go to aliens.gov, they walk among us. I knew it. And it says declassified. And it was funny because they dropped this today. And actually, the people at the White House, they reached out to our communications people like, hey, we released this. And I get a text message with the link, and I immediately say to my wife, I'm like, oh, the White House has just confirmed aliens exist. And then I wanted to know what my wife was gonna say when I Told her this and she just chuckled and, oh, yeah, like this was the, the idea that if they ever did actually announce aliens are real, no one would care. And then I said, well, they published the website, but I haven't read it yet. And then as soon as I opened it up, I was like, it's illegal aliens. But this is what we were saying before when, when they first registered aliens.gov and became a big news story. We said on this show it's either going to be just like generic UFO disclosure, but I'm willing to bet it's going to be like illegal aliens. Right? That's Trump's whole thing. So they run this gag. Take a look. They walk among us. For 60 years, the US government has kept a closely guarded secret. Aliens have been walking among us, living in our neighborhoods, interacting with us in our daily lives. They've shopped in the same stores, attended the same class as our children, and lived seemingly normal human existences with one exception. They do not belong here. Millions arrived under the COVID of darkness, embedded themselves directly into our society. Countless presidents, congressmen and senior officials knew exactly what was happening. Instead of protecting American citizens, they chose to cover it up and even accelerate the invasion. Until one man finally had the courage to tell the truth. That's right. Bold, unapologetic and unafraid. President Trump was the first to call up the real danger aliens pose to every American family. The truth is no longer out there. It is here, right now. 3,130,217 encounters alien arrest map live indeed. Martinsburg, West Virginia. Criminal charges assault, burglary, damage to property, dangerous drugs. Countries of origin Afghanistan. Ah, so I wonder if all of the UFO alien talk was actually just to generate a bunch of buzz as a joke. Because I just want to say this doesn't help them in any meaningful way. It's not advocacy against illegal immigration. It does generate attention toward the issue. Maybe they were waiting to drop this around the time, like something bad with the Iran war was happening or something. But I see this as kind of just. They had. They made a joke.

[Ian Crossland]

If they were really smart, they were sitting around a boardroom like, all right, we're going to, we're going to do, we're going to put out the alien thing. Either we're going to psy up the planet and control these people with fear. If that doesn't work, we'll just make it an illegal alien website.

[Carter Banks]

Man, probably unironically, is the Strat.

[Will Chamberlain]

I mean, I think that, you know, the whole. Well, I mean, Area 51 my understanding is it's actually just a military base. They don't want anybody going here. So they're like aliens? Yeah, Right. But they're like. No, actually we just do secret things. I think they planned like the bin Laden raid there or something. They built the model of his house that. That kind of. So you need places that nobody wants to go anywhere near that are owned by the government.

[Carter Banks]

Right.

[Will Chamberlain]

Aliens seem like a good thing.

[Carter Banks]

And I think that whole Chinese weather balloon thing, it was so embarrassing that they need like the UFOs for plausible deniability. Like, oh, we can't. We don't know what it is.

[Tim Pool]

My. One of my favorite conspiracy theories, of course, is Terra Infinita. Are you familiar with that one? So. Or Greater Earth theory? Have you ever heard this one? I say that very carefully because there's Crater Earth. Okay, let's have some fun with it, boys.

[Carter Banks]

Crater is delusional, you know.

[Tim Pool]

Do you know what Crater Earth is? Okay, the Crater Earth conspiracy theory is that the moon is a reflection of Earth and that the world as we know it exists within one of the craters on the moon that we're looking at. And there's an ice wall and all this whatever nonsense. It's like Terra Terra infinita is that there's this gigantic flat plain with a whole bunch of like ice walled in communities controlled by aliens or something, I don't know. Greater Earth is that there is a spherical planet, the continents that we know. It's on a round planet, but it's only a small piece of the planet and surrounded by an ice walk. We are kept in and kept as slaves. I love this one because now it's tying into one of these Charlie Kirk conspiracy theories, which is there is a new Charlie Kirk conspiracy theory that he's actually on the island of Valhalla in Greater Earth, where our governmental elites go once they retire from office and leave. And we are all slaves trapped within the inner continents and the ice wall. And so I saw this video where they were like, remember when Cash Patel said, I'll see you in Valhalla? And then they showed like the Tyler Robinson image where he's looking at a computer and the computer has an image of an island with an. With a mountain called Valhalla or whatever. And so they're saying that Charlie Kirk's actually still alive. He escaped to outside, you know, he elevated out of the inner continents. Now he lives in a place called Valhalla where there's regular people. And Cash is going to go there too.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, like Cash dropped. And he said, like, see in Valhalla. And then he got pulled aside after the speech. And they're like, dude, why'd you say this? I don't know. It slipped.

[Tim Pool]

No one will believe it anyway.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, maybe they'll just hand wave away.

[Will Chamberlain]

Because conspiracy theories seem very inefficient. Right? Like there's a. There's a way in which, like, it's much more complicated to rule over humanity.

[Carter Banks]

Right?

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Will Chamberlain]

Couldn't you just do something matrix, like, where you just put us all on a battery farm? Like, if that's the plan to make it.

[Tim Pool]

Well, the idea. The idea is that humans, Humans revolt. So if you keep them ignorant, the saying is from Harriet Tubman, I freed many slaves. I would have freed many more if only they knew they were slaves. So the conspiracy theory is that we are the lesser slave peasant humans trapped within the inner continents of an ice wall. Our powerful elites are. They liaise between greater earth and us and keep us in check. That's why our politicians never do what we want. That's why they won't pass the SAVE Act. See, now, now, now you. Now you're a believer.

[Carter Banks]

And they.

[Tim Pool]

And now he believes it.

[Carter Banks]

And they drop super helpful clues like just to kind of spice things up. Like Egyptian planes are coming in. They're like, should we like, you know, not appear on the radar? And they're like, no, this is like, give them a little, you know, give them a little taste here of what we're up to. Yeah, I like that. Drop a little.

[Ian Crossland]

Is the ice wall like an extrapolation of the firmament? Is that where this all. Cause I hear a lot about ice walls and different conspiracy theories, but.

[Tim Pool]

Well, there's a. Somewhat of an ideological relation, but they're different things. Yeah, it's like liquid, I think, because the ice wall isn't just part of one worldview. Right. Flat Earthers think the oceans are held in by a great wall of ice and the governments of the world are stopping you from going there or whatever.

[Ian Crossland]

Maybe back in the day after the flood, there was a great ice age. Like, we're at the tail end of an ice age right now. In anInter Monday.com AI agents took over

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[Ian Crossland]

But maybe they're literally. They were literally walled in by ice by like 15,000 years ago or something and they. So now they just. That story's persisted. Uh huh. Like in north. The North Atlantic. Frozen all the way down and they couldn't get out of Europe.

[Will Chamberlain]

You know, I mean if you were a government doing that, you just stop funding like space travel. Right. Wouldn't you?

[Tim Pool]

But that's the conspiracy theory. There is no space travel.

[Will Chamberlain]

There is no space travel.

[Tim Pool]

All private companies, satellites, everything. It's all fake.

[Will Chamberlain]

Fake.

[Ian Crossland]

I keep you guessing.

[Will Chamberlain]

Gosh, it's weird. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Again, very Elon Musk, the whole thing. You know, it's just they, they made it up. There's stars.

[Will Chamberlain]

Why'd they let the win? They could have kept. They could have screwed over Elon and I mean they're all in on it.

[Ian Crossland]

That's why they named him Trump.

[Will Chamberlain]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

That's why they won't pass the SAVE Act.

[Will Chamberlain]

Right, Right.

[Tim Pool]

They're like, no, we can't do that.

[Will Chamberlain]

I feel like there's a simpler explanation for why the SAVE act isn't passing.

[Tim Pool]

Simulation filibuster. The funny thing is they wouldn't actually need to do or not do anything. They could pass any law they want if there was truly absolute conspiratorial control of everything. They just tell you whatever you wanted to hear.

[Will Chamberlain]

Do we want to talk about why the SAVE act is not passing? Is this actually a big thing?

[Tim Pool]

What's up?

[Will Chamberlain]

Okay. I mean, obviously it's the filibuster, right?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

But they could just.

[Will Chamberlain]

And the question is, why don't they get rid of the filibuster?

[Tim Pool]

Exactly.

[Will Chamberlain]

Right. And the reason is actually pretty simple. Even among like sort of more conservative Republicans in the Senate. And this is coming from talking to senior officials who basically say if you got rid of the filibuster, you'd be more likely to get a broad amnesty than you would be to get the SAVE act passed. Meaning you do not have 53 votes for the SAVE act, even in a world where you do it but you know what, you have 53 or 54 votes for open borders. Right. And that's how you, I mean, but

[Tim Pool]

the argument is if you pass the SAVE act now, you prevent them from taking power and if they take power, they're going to grant amnesty anyway.

[Will Chamberlain]

Well, I mean, I guess my point is like the conservative, you know, the filibuster effectively insulates. I mean, there's a lot of reasons why the filibuster stays in place. Mainly because, you know, we worry that Democrats will obviously get rid of the filibuster first thing. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. After talking to people, I'm not so sure they will because I think there are a decent number of moderate senators on the Democrat side who are scared about what Republicans will end up doing with the filibuster. It'll just like lead to this ping ponging of policy back and forth. But it's, you know, that's, that's the core reason there are not 60 votes and that, and there's, there's, I think they polled the Republican Senate caucus on getting rid of the filibuster, like informally. And my understanding was that poll showed that they got maybe one in four. Yes. To get rid of getting rid of the filibuster. A good 3/4 of the caucus.

[Carter Banks]

I've heard a lot of people speculate that part of the reason the SAVE act is getting held up is because it's something that a lot more establishment candidates will utilize some sort of maybe more nefarious shady election tactics to push through primaries.

[Will Chamberlain]

I mean it's, it's really, there are just a few. The squishier Republicans don't want to do it. Like Mitch McConnell has made trying to keep the federal government out of state elections a big part of his project for a long time because previously it was Democrats trying to interfere in Republican elections to make them more favorable.

[Tim Pool]

I'm, I'm, I really don't care about the SAVE act at this point because I think we're beyond this as a country. I think we are beyond the point where procedural victories matter.

[Will Chamberlain]

Well, here is, actually, I have a thesis about this. I think that here's the reason not to do it just for the SAVE Act. If you get rid of the filibuster, it would be the, it would be a very big one time event that we have the, where Republicans have the chance to do a whole bunch and put in place a huge program with a 50 seat majority. Right. Like finally we've gotten rid of the 60 seat 60 vote rule in the Senate. We can do a whole bunch of stuff. Why would we just do one thing? And if we're only ready to do just one.

[Tim Pool]

What I'm, what I'm saying is the, when you look at the funding, the DNC is 3 million in debt. They got 14 million cash on hand and 17 million in debt. Republicans have $200 million and big Democrat donors are not funding the party as a whole. They're either targeting specific races or they're funding activism, NGOs and extremism. I think that many of the high profile Democrat aligned donors have realized institutional paths to victory are gone. Republicans, Republicans are going for institutional victories, they're going for redistricting, they're financing races and the Republican Party itself and Democrats are funding Cuba trips and antifa and violence. When you take a look what's going on with Newark where you get federal employees deferring their authority to the extremists, it looks like the, the strategy among the elites on the liberal side are saying we need to go hot in terms of winning power and Republicans are saying we are going to win legitimate institutional authority. So this is why I say, I don't know, the SAVE act matters as much right now because Democrats are not putting their resources into those races.

[Will Chamberlain]

I think, I mean, I don't know that the SAVE act would, I mean, how would the SAVE act affect resources? The SAVE act is all about.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, the question is what are the Democrats applying their, what are they focused on in order to win power? It's not electoral victories.

[Will Chamberlain]

I mean, no, I think not. Certainly I think the Institutional Democratic Party and Democratic donors are, I think that, I think the donor problem is actually they're split. Well, there's two classes of donors. There's the activist donors, the Neville Singham types. They're not really donating to the Democrat Party because they'd rather, you know, fund communism. Communism. And then there's the sort of classic Institutional Democratic donors, many of whom are Jews and are really not happy about the way things have been going in the Democratic Party and opening their checkbooks centrally.

[Tim Pool]

The, the Democrats are not as a party raising money. The donors are not interested in a centralized Institutional Democratic power anymore. So if we, if we're breaking this down, Republicans are basically all saying give the party money, give Trump money. We are going to win, we're going to win the midterms. Democrats are split where some are saying let's make sure this one guy wins. The others are saying let's have antifa march to the Streets and bash skulls. So my point ultimately is the strategy of Democrats right now for the midterms is not we are going to get out the vote. It's terrorize, vandalize, and the Republicans are going procedural. That's why I say, I don't know, the safety matters as much right now. The Republicans, I think, honestly, I think with Virginia, so, so Trump shutters, usaid, cuts off funding for a lot of this circuitous, you know, NGO illicit funding. Democrats deep state, I should call it, are routed, go to Virginia, try to short their defenses, get crushed again. And I think they've basically resigned themselves to, we are not going to beat Trump at this game. I don't know if you saw the Trump won that lawsuit or not, that he won the lawsuit, but the judge sided with Trump on the executive order over the post office.

[Will Chamberlain]

You saw this over the post office. Is this the citizenship question on the census?

[Carter Banks]

Is that.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no. Trump signed the executive order instructing the post office not to deliver mail in ballots to people who are ineligible to vote.

[Will Chamberlain]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

Creating a de facto, a de facto voter list.

[Will Chamberlain]

Was this, like yesterday? Was this the thing?

[Ian Crossland]

I think two days ago, I believe two days ago it was this week.

[Tim Pool]

I thought it was yesterday or today.

[Will Chamberlain]

I would be, I wouldn't read too much into that. I think he just denied it because it was not. What's the, What's.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, it's amazing.

[Will Chamberlain]

Ripeness issue. Right.

[Tim Pool]

He said, the judge said there is no relief to be provided because Trump hasn't done anything yet.

[Will Chamberlain]

Right. That's ripeness. That's what that, that's, you know, you

[Tim Pool]

know why that's retarded and hilarious at the same time? Because that was the basic argument used against Trump in 2020 when Republican groups and, and the Trump sphere were suing over the changes to the electoral system. These judges kept saying, not right yet. They haven't done anything yet.

[Will Chamberlain]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So how do we remedy no damages? And it's funny because the Republicans are like, they changed the rules illicitly and it's going to have an impact on the election. And, and the judges would go, well, if it does, we can then provide relief after the fact. And then what happened when it did have an impact and the Republicans sued, what did the judges say then?

[Will Chamberlain]

And it was moot because it was too late to do anything about it.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, it already happened. We can't do anything about it. This is insanity.

[Ian Crossland]

A legal evolution where you can have a preemptive defense.

[Tim Pool]

What did you call it?

[Ian Crossland]

A preemptive. What do you call this thing remedy, a preemptive remedy that triggers.

[Will Chamberlain]

When that, well, there's. You don't get an injunction, right?

[Carter Banks]

You.

[Will Chamberlain]

To stop somebody from doing something, you can get declaratory relief, which is where the judge declares some legal state of affairs, like declares your statement not defamatory.

[Ian Crossland]

But why are they not going for injunctions when they're trying to get.

[Will Chamberlain]

Well, I mean, I think they were trying to go for an injunction. They just didn't get an injunction on this because the judge said the dispute was not ripe. Right?

[Tim Pool]

So, so, so, so let's, here's the analogy that I give. So there's two little boys. There's Jimmy and Johnny. And Jimmy's got the hammer cracked back and he's looking at the guy and Johnny says, dad, take the hammer from him before he hits me. And the dad goes, well, he didn't hit you yet. So I can't just take his hammer away. Then Jimmy cracks Johnny over there with a hammer, and Johnny goes, dad, help. He hit me with the hammer. And he goes, well, he already hits you. I mean, there's no point taking the hammer now, right? That's what the courts were doing in 2020. Now, the funny thing is, Trump signs his executive order saying to the post office, do not deliver mail in votes to people. Mail in ballots to people ineligible to vote. They, this, this liberal group sued, saying that would create de facto voter lists. It's a, it's a violation of privacy rights. And the judge said, I can't grant relief to something that hasn't happened yet by now. Here's the problem. When it comes time to deliver those mail in mail in votes about a month out from the election, they'll go out, have to collect the evidence of damages or of something having occurred, then file a suit. It's going to take too long. And then once the election's done, the courts then go, what already happened?

[Will Chamberlain]

So is this. I didn't read this decision. I wish I had before. So is the, basically, the. What is the harm being alleged to the, the voters?

[Tim Pool]

The harm is like a privacy violation. And the judge said two things. First, the government already has this information available to them. Aggregating it into one location is not a violation of your rights. However, it doesn't matter anyway because Trump hasn't done anything yet. He gave an instruction. There has not been any visible damages. When the Trump administration takes this action and something tangibly occurs, then we can have a discussion.

[Will Chamberlain]

That's actually right, because, I mean, from the judge's perspective, I think you have articulated the way that rightness and mootness can be abused. Right. Like the idea that holding the hammer, maybe you could say the dispute's not right. The guy hits you in the head, maybe you could say the dispute's moot, but then there's no relief, which seems unjust.

[Tim Pool]

That's what they do.

[Will Chamberlain]

But if in a world where the harm alleged is this privacy violation potential from your data being collected and aggregated, the aggregation of your data, as you say, is not an abuse in and of itself. If they actually come into court and say, look, our data has been aggregated and the. And the government is now planning to do XYZ with this data, then you're a little more in the realm of ripeness, where the dispute is actually I

[Ian Crossland]

threat itself, not a ripeness doesn't make it ripe.

[Will Chamberlain]

Well, they're not just going to consider like the court's not going to operate on like a hypothetical. Basically what you're saying is it's right now, it's a hypothetical problem.

[Tim Pool]

The here's, Here's a better way. So, so the way I described it with the guy having the hammer clearly about to strike, I would have been

[Ian Crossland]

punished for it by the way, as a kid, indeed, holding the hammer and threatening some.

[Tim Pool]

And this is the idea of 2020, when the Republicans sued saying, hey, they changed the rules of the election unconstitutionally, this will cause damages. And they're correct. But let's try another analogy. Jimmy is holding a hammer and he's hammering a nail, making a little birdhouse. Johnny sees the hammer and, and says, dad, take his hammer from him before he hits me. And the dad says, he's not threatening you at all. He's just hammering a nail into a birdhouse. That's a different situation. What if Johnny, the hammer, there's no perceived threat. You don't know, there will be damage. That's the honest approach to ripeness.

[Will Chamberlain]

I think ripeness is the name of this.

[Ian Crossland]

What if the hammer wielder says, you know, he's hammering the nail. He's like, you know, Johnny, one day I'm gonna hit you with this hammer. Then does that create a no, he's not posturing.

[Tim Pool]

And this is where it's interpretation of the judge. And in 2020, this is what we were dealing with. The judges were like, well, I mean, they've done. They haven't damaged you yet. And the Republicans were like the changing of the rules. Then after the election happened and they filed a lawsuit, the judges, a lot of these courts and These judges said, well, the election's already over. What you want to do about it? It's insane. It's just pure insane.

[Will Chamberlain]

Yeah, that was. That's an abuse of rightness and moodness. Right? Like, let's.

[Tim Pool]

Let's do this. Civil war, my friends. Let's jump to the story from NBC News.

[Ian Crossland]

We got a hard seat.

[Tim Pool]

Supreme Supreme Court Justice Tony Barrett's home targeted in apparent swatting incident. What was really crazy about this is the story broke earlier today and no one picked it up for like, 12 hours. So I had. I tweeted this. I tweeted out this. This video showing the 911 call where someone was like, Amy Coney Barrett was just swatted. And then I saw Nick Soter tweeted out the same thing. And I said, do we have any other source on this? Like, no disrespect to the dude who broke the story, but I like to have three confirmations. Nick Sorter posting the same video as me is not a confirmation. I want to see, you know, NBC or some other outlet. Not that I think they're trustworthy, but at least they'll be like. We contacted police in Fair County, Fairfax County, Virginia, who confirmed this. They said officers immediately coordinated with Supreme Court police personnel assigned to the residents to determine the report was fictitious. This is the state of this country. In Newark, far left extremists are outside an ICE facility, and the employees of the ICE facility are asking them for permission. This should not be tolerated. Have you seen the video?

[Will Chamberlain]

There's.

[Tim Pool]

There's like a security guy in New Jersey.

[Will Chamberlain]

I mean, not the most recent.

[Tim Pool]

So a video from a few days ago. I don't know if he's a security contractor. A direct deploy of dhs. But a vehicle is coming out. He walks up to the crowd and he points at him and fans her over. And she comes over to search the vehicle. Then when she confirms the vehicle doesn't have illegal immigrants in it, she. She. Clear. She tells everybody. Clear. Out of the way. It's insanity that a federal employee or contractor.

[Ian Crossland]

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[Carter Banks]

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[Ian Crossland]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Ian Crossland]

I noticed, I think it was harmeet Dylan somebody they're issuing. No, it wasn't, wasn't Dylan somebody was. I don't think it was issuing like the government to go track people's X accounts. Now a couple people that have indicated that they're going to be threatening or had said threatening things or done threatening things. So they're like, they're like. So it's like it seems like the government's getting ready to crack down if something like that were to happen. And groups of terrorists. You know, angry mobs were masking up or arming up or uniforming up that they're gonna go snatch people out of houses one night.

[Carter Banks]

Well, they already got the, the foreign terror designation. And that gives, you know, that gives the DOJ massive tools tool in their toolbox to really target people.

[Will Chamberlain]

I think, I think I'm confident in DOJ doing this. I mean, I was disappointed recently. I don't know if you followed this, but if you remember Kat. Abu Ghazale. Sorry, do you remember Kat? Abu Ghazale.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Abu Ghazayla.

[Ian Crossland]

He ran for office, I think.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know.

[Will Chamberlain]

Right. So she was indicted. Right. She was like a Chicago house can't. She's like a tick tocker. She was like a Chicago. Of course she got.

[Tim Pool]

She obstructed that vehicle.

[Will Chamberlain]

That vehicle. Got indicted for it.

[Tim Pool]

Got hit by it.

[Will Chamberlain]

No, she didn't get. Well, that was.

[Tim Pool]

She got shoved.

[Will Chamberlain]

She got shoved. But there was a different time where she was, like, banging on the hood.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Will Chamberlain]

Got indicted for it. That just got dropped because there was misconduct by some of the line attorneys in that U.S. attorney's office.

[Tim Pool]

I'm done, bro. I'm sorry.

[Will Chamberlain]

So that's so infuriating. But that said, I hate to bring that up. I'm just still bothered by it.

[Tim Pool]

I'll finish your point. I'm sorry.

[Will Chamberlain]

But, like, I guess my point is, you know, the. I'm confident that, you know, the Trump DOJ is taking all this stuff seriously. I mean, if you've. Since Blanche took power, took over, the amount of action there's been. Has been substantial.

[Tim Pool]

It's fair. I'll keep some of the hope alive. But I got to be honest, I'm not the only one who feels this way. They've gotten. Look, there's been some tremendous victories. I don't want to downplay everything. Shuttering USAID was. Was massive. But holy crap, you can't get a slap on the wrist, even for some chick banging on a federal vehicle. What is going on, man?

[Will Chamberlain]

Yeah, it was just some line attorney who was really a Democrat. I think after she left the office, she went and worked for Dick Durbin or something. The problem, I mean, DOJ is just fixing doj, like across the entire country is just this massive problem. It's like a. It's a giant slow moving steam because you're like good people at the top now.

[Tim Pool]

We just don't have any brutal guys. I'm sorry. Like, Trump is not a brutal guy. He's just not like that's why this is very true. That's why the joke is, lord, give me the Trump that Democrats claim he is. Because he's not. He's, he's, he's, he's a bragger, he bloviates a bit, but he's actually just kind of moderate. He's stronger than the Republicans we've seen for a long time, but he is not the iron fist guy. Democrats, now, these people are tough. And it's funny because anybody who wants to say, oh, Democrats are pussies, bro, they locked up J6ers in solitary, they tortured people. They will crush your nuts in a vice. That's what they are willing to do for power. Donald Trump and the Republicans, either they're unwilling or unable.

[Will Chamberlain]

They're doing like a hunger strike at the ICE facility, which is like the funniest.

[Tim Pool]

Because they wanted tacos.

[Will Chamberlain]

Well, they can just go home.

[Tim Pool]

They have the key to the chate's laughing. It's not a joke.

[Will Chamberlain]

Literally, just go home.

[Carter Banks]

It's like we're trying to send them to taco land.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Will Chamberlain]

Like you can just go home.

[Tim Pool]

The detainees at the ICE facility are upset because they want ethnic food from where they come from, which is not just tacos, but one of the things requested was literally tacos. And was it Mark Wayne Mullen was like, we want them to go home and they can enjoy all of that food in their home country.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, it's like so true. White people food's horrible. You would hate it.

[Will Chamberlain]

You should probably go, no, thanks. So there was a really heartwarming story about a Denver illegal alien mother who turned herself in to be self deported or to be deported by ICE because she was sitting around and her partner had been deported, the breadwinner. And she was like, well, we're broken miserable. We don't have any money. We got to go home. So can you give us the free flight and we'll all go home? And I thought, oh, perfect. That's exactly how the system should work.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

You called it a sad story. That sounds like.

[Will Chamberlain]

No, I said heartwarming. I said, oh, heartwarming.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Will Chamberlain]

It's a wholesome story.

[Ian Crossland]

Right.

[Will Chamberlain]

Because that should be the incentive structure.

[Carter Banks]

Right?

[Will Chamberlain]

Like if you're an illegal alien in this country, you should be broken miserable. This is, and I was thinking this is my new idea. Broken miserable.

[Tim Pool]

And.

[Will Chamberlain]

But like, here's the other side of it.

[Carter Banks]

I want.

[Will Chamberlain]

I'm, you know, and this is maybe the more controversial take is that I think that the self deportation process should be unbelievably. Pleasant. It should just be like, you sign up for CBB home. Oh, would you like a three star hotel for a few days? You know, like, would you like, yeah,

[Tim Pool]

you know, caviar with that?

[Will Chamberlain]

Would you like a concierge, a nice concierge to come by and help you pack your things?

[Carter Banks]

No, because it's true. Because it's like, you know, people will retract when they hear that and they go, well, they've. But it's like when you realize how much money it costs, how much money these people, etc. Etc. Like a couple grand. That's way.

[Tim Pool]

Hold on.

[Carter Banks]

He's on the dollar.

[Tim Pool]

I figured it out. We got Hollywood all wrong. You know how they're making these movies where like white people are all bad and like always the villains. Yeah, they're doing that so that people around the world don't want to come.

[Carter Banks]

Oh, it's true. It's horrible. There's like Klansmen everywhere. I mean, it is.

[Tim Pool]

That's what we got to do. We got to make a movie where it's like about like the hero is some like, you know, five foot six, you know, portly, like landscaper, illegal immigrant. But just like everywhere he goes, like, like everyone is in the clan and it's just, you know, it's a struggle every day. And his dream is to escape America and go back to taco land.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, yeah, you'd have to have him really want to be here for like 3/4 of the movie. And then at the end of the movie, he finally decides he's got to get out and then he's. And that's like a heroic journey.

[Carter Banks]

And the concierge, I mean, look, people have been talking about fears, oh, we need to build a patronage network for conservatives, you know, the liberals, they have all these patronage networks for their people. We could provide these people with my pillows. You know, that'd be really nice. Like on your flight back, we'll do a mypillow neck braid like a neck pillow. I think that's a win.

[Will Chamberlain]

There's a lot of. I mean, there's a perfectly. It's a perfect, perfectly reasonable way to spend money. It's gonna. It's cheaper than enforcement, right? No, like, trying to pull somebody out of their house is cheap. Is more expensive getting them to turn themselves in.

[Carter Banks]

And the.

[Tim Pool]

There's only got to make the propaganda

[Carter Banks]

and like, not to sound like, you know, super gay liptard here, but it's like, to be fair, these people came in with the door wide Open at the red carpet, rolled out. It's like, you can make them. I mean, it doesn't have to be like completely brutal. I mean, I know that's what people want, but it's like, that's how you can guarantee the heat gets cranked up.

[Will Chamberlain]

It should be brutal if we have to come find you.

[Carter Banks]

Exactly. That's how you get a million Abregos. And Trump has explained this, Tom Homan has explained this. They've all explained, like, look, if you want mass deportations, the better it goes, the more comfortable everyone is, the more people you can get out. It's when it gets like violent and brutal, which, it's like, sometimes you have to go there, but that's how you create a million breakers. You get wedges, shifter, wedge issue.

[Tim Pool]

I know how we can. We can solve this problem overnight. We make cilantro illegal.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Now they just leave. I ain't gonna live in a country doesn't last.

[Will Chamberlain]

My mother in law would love that. She hates me too.

[Carter Banks]

Cilantro exemplifies the demographic change in this country because. Hear me out. Hear me. No, hear me out. This is true. This is true. This is etymology101 is if you ask anyone who's like, over, I don't know, 70, and also if you ask any British person, they'll call it coriander.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed.

[Carter Banks]

And then as soon as a lot of Mexicans came here and they use it heavily in their cuisine, people that were, I believe 60 were introduced to it for the first time. Like, what's called. Oh, it's called cilantro. Yes, but what's this coriander?

[Tim Pool]

But I believe that coriander includes the stem or something like that.

[Carter Banks]

Something like that. But like, if you ask like a British person, they're like, I don't know what cilantro is. And then they're like, oh, coriander. Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, the seeds and the leaves. The coriander is the seeds.

[Tim Pool]

What we need is brutality. And I'm not saying, like dudes to go beat people. I'm saying we need strong like, we need brutal political leaders that. You know, the Democrats recently called Stephen Miller like an ugly. What do they call him? Like an ugly ass bitch or something like that?

[Will Chamberlain]

An ugly fuck?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, something like that. And I'm like, that's not brutality. That's just cringe. Brutality is like. I'll tell you what brutal is. Did you guys see this viral video where there's this like, really big jacked guy and he walks around super supermarket parking lots and he. He Grabs some guy, leaves a shopping cart in the wrong area. So he grabs it and walks over and puts it behind the car, and then just walks to the driver's seat. He's all jacked. And the guy's like, can help you. He goes. The cart does not go there. And he's like, oh, I'm. I'm sorry, man. I'll. I'll put it back. Like, he didn't have to do anything other than just say it was in the wrong spot. But he looks like, I will punch you in the mouth. We need leaders that just act that way. We need Donald Trump to be a little bit more serious. He insults people. We find it funny. We like that he pushes back. We need a DOJ that just arrests and charges people and gets the job done. Stern called. You are going to jail. And with respect to Blanche, he has done a pretty good job for the short amount of time he's been in.

[Carter Banks]

Well, and that's the thing with Blanche, too, is, like, no one really knows much about him. And that's kind of what you want from your DOJ guy. You kind of want him to be a bit mysterious, have a bit of aura to him. Because Pam Bondi, she was talking to her. She was out in the open a lot, and she was like, everyone knew all these narratives about her, and everyone had their mind made up. You kind of want this, like, backroom kind of guy who's just, you know, settling scores, getting business done by means. I don't think I could even. I mean, I've heard Todd Blanche speak, but I can't tell you that much about the guy. And it's like, well, yeah, because he kind of understands. Part of the DOJ is you got to have.

[Will Chamberlain]

He was just a practicing lawyer.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, you got to have. You got to have a bit. You know, there's got to be a separation between you and the people to conduct.

[Tim Pool]

Also mysterious. Also, we just got to ban social media. Have you guys seen that? There's a viral video. I can't remember who posted it, but they said something like, social media influencers should be arrested. And they posted a video of this black dude walking into, like, a burrito store, and he's going like this and, like, dancing, and there's, like, 12 cameras around, and he's just dancing, and then he gets the burrito, and he makes a crazy face, and then he bites it. And, like, you see this video, and you're like, I just. I think we need to mercilessly beat social media influencers. I'm joking. Calm down, YouTube. But the, the thing about social media that I think, aside from like the Elsa Gate degree of stuff that's like the algorithmic brain melting, you know, I'm sitting there on. I like to scroll Instagram, just see, like, what's being recommended and stuff. You guys ever go to, like, experimental comedy shows by chance?

[Ian Crossland]

I used to Dada. I was all into that.

[Tim Pool]

And then, so you, like, you go to these open mic comedy shows and what a lot of these comedians do is they're trying material and they need. They want a crowd that's warmed up and they try to do weird things that sometimes, like, most of them aren't even funny. Yeah, they just want to experiment and see what works. So, you know, in la, I remember, I can't remember what. What the. I'm not, I'm not big into comedy, but I was talking to some friends who did comedy and they're like, oh, yeah, when you go to that, you know, venue where they do open mics, it's never funny. You'll go in and sit down, you'll get a drink and you'll hang out. And it's people experimenting. And I was like, do people just say ridiculously offensive things? And they're like, yeah, like a guy will show up and just start throwing racial slurs around and it's like, not even a joke. He'll just start insulting the audience. They're trying to see, does this work? Will it work with the crowd? That's what's happening on social media right now. There's a whole bunch. So I already described the problem of imitation, where everybody makes the same video, but there's a bunch of influencers that are trying to do random and weird things to see what works.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. And there are some people that are doing legitimate, high quality, beneficial things. That's the pro. That's the problem with, like, banning social media or bringing the hammer down on influencers as a. As a monolith and a mall.

[Tim Pool]

Lock them up.

[Ian Crossland]

I think about the brutality thing because, like, 20 years ago, 30 years ago, before the Internet, you could like go into St. Louis, send the feds in there and rack it up. But like now, with all these cell phones, you'd have to knock out the power supply of a city, maybe shut off their water and do like an EMP blast over the city. You'd have to maintain an EMP thing, but then they're still gonna smuggle video. You'd like, you'd have to shut off their electronics in order to do this.

[Tim Pool]

I'm not literally suggesting we ban the Internet. I'm just insulting influence in modern culture.

[Ian Crossland]

The whole story about brutality, I feel like it wouldn't work because the communist revolution needs a brutal enemy. They need Trump to be brutal in order for the people to rally. As long as he's moderate, they won't.

[Tim Pool]

No. I would argue that the people are starving because the leader is negligent. That was the message of Animal Farm. The farmer, Farmer Jones, wasn't doing his job to make sure the citizens of the farm were being taken care of. So when people see far left extremists getting away with bloody murder, they don't turn to Trump and say, save me. They say there's no confidence in that system and it breaks apart. This is the point that I'm. This is the point I am warning about. If Donald Trump's administration, if the perceived brutal guy can't solve the problem of the extremism, regular people stop having fear or confidence in that system.

[Ian Crossland]

I would hope that the President would be like, arm yourself. You need to protect yourself. If there's gonna be a riot out,

[Tim Pool]

unfortunately, you go to jail when you do that.

[Ian Crossland]

The President, well, that's a problem.

[Tim Pool]

Well, if you live in Newark, New Jersey, you will go to prison.

[Ian Crossland]

But if the President brings the hammer down, we're toast where the whole country was. I mean, it'll be an uprising, A communist uprising in the country.

[Tim Pool]

Wrong.

[Ian Crossland]

You know, many people are waiting for Trump. They want.

[Tim Pool]

Why was, why was Sar Nicholas and his family overthrown? Because the brutal dictator.

[Ian Crossland]

No, he was a nobody. He was, he was negligent.

[Tim Pool]

Invisible. Agree.

[Ian Crossland]

Sat inside.

[Tim Pool]

Was not doing the job pre Internet,

[Ian Crossland]

you know, I mean, Trump's definitely not invisible. He's not like a nobody.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, so to the point you were making where you made the argument if Trump was brutal, you'd get a communist uprising. Yeah, Communist uprisings emerge when there is no strong leadership.

[Ian Crossland]

But we have a strong leader. He's just not brutal.

[Tim Pool]

No, we don't.

[Ian Crossland]

He's definitely strong. It's Donald Trump.

[Tim Pool]

He's immensely strong. I disagree. No, he's not Venezuela.

[Ian Crossland]

He's about to take Cuba.

[Tim Pool]

There is strength in that. But Donald Trump, domestically, as it pertains to the far left, rampaging around, rioting. They couldn't even get Abu Ghazayla in jail.

[Ian Crossland]

If you're too strong, you become brittle. You need like, you need a balance of strength.

[Tim Pool]

Okay. But once again, we've already made the point that communist uprising is happening when the leaders are weak.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't think he's weak. I do agree that he's not brutal. I just.

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[Tim Pool]

And Tsar Nicholas was not taking care of his country in a way that the people of Russia did not feel that they had. Look, right now gas is mid grade. Gas is five bucks a gallon.

[Ian Crossland]

I think what happened is Lenin in Russia became more popular than the Tsar Nicholas. There's nobody more popular than Donald Trump right now.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I will give you this. There is no one on earth who has the degree of political influence of Trump. It is insane. Look at this man's shirt, the Ed Gall Rain shirt.

[Will Chamberlain]

Who is this guy?

[Ian Crossland]

I still think you're trolling.

[Tim Pool]

Massey is one of the most. This is important. Massie is one of the most popular members of Congress, period, nationally, internationally. He is very well known.

[Will Chamberlain]

Million and a half followers.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, big.

[Will Chamberlain]

He had 10 million. He had like 15 million of his own right People.

[Tim Pool]

And Donald Trump and his circle made a decision and Massie lost.

[Ian Crossland]

The problem is when Trump's out of office, there might be someone that's more popular than the next president. Cuz Marco Rubio ain't.

[Will Chamberlain]

Ain't it.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, I like him, but he's not that popular.

[Tim Pool]

I think we have already seen the lessons of leadership over the past 10 years. When Democrats ran roughshod over this country, arrested Trump's lawyers, put J6 in solitary, no one rose up against them.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, we stood up for those people.

[Tim Pool]

We voted.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, we talked about it.

[Will Chamberlain]

We got a new administration. And now all those people are getting investigated down in Florida.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed.

[Will Chamberlain]

I think, I think you're, you're overstating how weak President Trump is. I mean there's part of, this is systemic. Right. We, the, the way our Constitution is structured is it gives the President an enormous amount of authority in foreign affairs and very limited and constrained authority domestically. Right. That's just the nature of how our government is structured.

[Tim Pool]

Let me, let me, let me, let me just say real quick like this. They are, they, they, they, they accused them of rape falsely. They.

[Will Chamberlain]

Now they're investigating the person who made that.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. For perjury. For perjury. Alex Jones, his company was tax charges. You know, I don't get me wrong, like, I got to be honest with you guys. If Donald Trump intervened to help save Alex Jones, Jones would be die hard, Trump the rest of his life. And so you end. I will say good, though I don't

[Will Chamberlain]

think you have the legal authority to.

[Tim Pool]

Did the Democrats have the legal authority to accuse him of fraud, to accuse him of falsifying business records, to charge him with felonies that didn't exist with no underlying crime? I mean, this is insanity.

[Will Chamberlain]

You have. I mean, that doesn't quite work because, I mean, theoretically, I guess, is there some crime he could go after the people who brought a civil suit against him? Right, that, do you want Donald Trump to prosecute the plaintiffs in the.

[Tim Pool]

My point is this. Do you think the civil fraud charges against Trump were legitimate?

[Will Chamberlain]

No, of course not.

[Tim Pool]

Do you think the, the felony charges were legitimate?

[Will Chamberlain]

No, of course not.

[Tim Pool]

So we have a president who is incapable of acting outside of legitimacy against an enemy who acts outside of legitimacy. How do you win a game of Monopoly against someone who's actively cheating?

[Will Chamberlain]

I mean, you know, I would, I think the first answer to that is that the reason, and I speak for someone, as someone who worked for the DeSantis campaign, a big reason Donald Trump is president is because they tried all that stuff in 2023, 2024.

[Tim Pool]

What, like who, who tried what stuff

[Will Chamberlain]

left with, you know, four indictments in four different jurisdictions. They tried the whole Law Fair campaign.

[Tim Pool]

I, actually, I don't, I disagree. I think the reason that Trump ended up winning was because Biden was whacked out of his mind.

[Will Chamberlain]

That's a big part of it.

[Tim Pool]

And when, when that debate happened, regular people right now are concerned about the price of gas. Okay, I, I, that's, it's the economy, stupid. Right? It, it tends to be these things.

[Carter Banks]

The gas was sky high on election day. 2024.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. And right now, mid grade is 4:9. I think the average price is 442. For, for a low grade, mid grade's $494. 90. And a premium is 531. That is, that, that's apocalyptic.

[Will Chamberlain]

However, apocalyptic's a little much.

[Tim Pool]

$5 gas.

[Will Chamberlain]

I mean, the things, you know, we, we have short memories. We weren't alive in the 70s.

[Ian Crossland]

Right. Like I was.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, of course, of course.

[Will Chamberlain]

But like, you know, listen, the British,

[Tim Pool]

I understand, but it's all relative, right? Like, you know, I was talking to my friend who was complaining about the economy, and I was like, well, put in perspective, man. The GDP here is still five times that of, like, any country in South America or most of the world. And the poorest person in America today is living better than some of the wealthiest 200 years ago. You can get a cheeseburger whenever you want. It's all relative. But people are still unhappy because it's relativity. So if so the advantage that Trump has is that if he gets the price of gas down, people will feel the immediate relief and they'll love him for it. For the midterms. But I do believe that Trump's strategy right now, and I'll give you this because I like what Trump is doing largely and it is easy to complain, right. I'm not in the administration, I'm not doing this job. But what I will say is it seems like the strategy they have moving forward is win the midterms with whatever procedural efforts they have or can. So redistricting is massive, giving Republicans a major advantage. The executive order on the post office is a massive procedural advantage. And I don't know that they actually need the SAVE act to win at this point. It seems absurd to me that people are making bets on Kalshi for the Democrats to win the Senate. Cuz they'd have to flip either Texas or Alaska, which is just insane. They'd have to win every toss up and flip a state. What's up?

[Will Chamberlain]

Wouldn't they have to flip both Texas and Alaska?

[Tim Pool]

No, they have to win every toss up and flip one of those states.

[Will Chamberlain]

They gotta win Ohio too, right?

[Tim Pool]

Yep, yep. What is it? North Carolina, Maine, Ohio, Michigan.

[Will Chamberlain]

I think these are states that Trump won by 10 or more.

[Carter Banks]

Susan Collins is free money and Susan.

[Will Chamberlain]

Yeah, I think I'd like Susan Collins.

[Tim Pool]

And those are the toss ups. So let's say Democrats win every toss up. It's still 50, 50 at that point and JD Vance is the tiebreaker. They'd have to flip a Republican state. That's insanity. So I wonder, you know, Trump recently said, I don't care about the midterms. I wonder if Trump's general idea is just we are going to win this through policy and procedure.

[Will Chamberlain]

What Trump's. I mean, when Trump said that about the midterms, he was referring to the Iran deal. And I mean he's trying because you have to understand what the negotiation in Iran. This is a game of chicken, right? It's, it's who basically the Iranians are trying to see. The Iranian's pressure point is Hormuz and the pressure on the global economy via closing Hormuz. And our pressure point is our blockade which is preventing Iran from shipping any of its oil and creating problems for the oil infrastructure. And it's sort of this game of Chicken as to who's going to give up first. And so obviously Trump, knowing that that's a negotiation, is not going to say, yeah, I really am going to have to give this up because obviously oil prices are killing us. So. So that's, that's where that's coming from. Right? He's trying to be tough.

[Carter Banks]

And you made the point earlier regarding the filibuster. I mean, this is the one thing that is holding Trump back to some degree insofar as people are saying, why doesn't you just cross the Rubicon already? It's like, look at his team. I mean, it's like, this isn't Michael Jordan. And like, for. This is like, if Michael Jordan had four, like, jv.

[Will Chamberlain]

People don't think about the consequences of that.

[Tim Pool]

Why, why couldn't Bongino, like, why did Bongino leave? What. What happened there? What could he not do? Why are people disappointed?

[Will Chamberlain]

Question. I think he, I mean, he was frustrated with Pam. I know that. I think it was over the handling of the Epstein files. The funny thing is, on substance, I think Pam and Dan were on the same page about, like, what actually the files meant. There wasn't really any meaningful disagreement, but I think Dan thought Pam was being too kind of opaque and that was sort of.

[Tim Pool]

Why did he leave, though?

[Will Chamberlain]

I mean, part of it is also, I think he was. I, I can speak to this as someone who, if you have, once you have a platform and you do this, you would hate working in government, bro. You would hate it.

[Tim Pool]

I also, I also want to look to go from, like, I, I don't. I, I have a general idea of how much Dan Bongino makes from working.

[Will Chamberlain]

It's just your voice.

[Carter Banks]

Well, and beyond.

[Will Chamberlain]

That's all.

[Carter Banks]

Beyond that, Bongino went from pretty much generally liked by everyone to now he's like this galvanizing figure purely because he was in the admin.

[Tim Pool]

And it's the amount I want to

[Ian Crossland]

stress something, say, repudiate.

[Tim Pool]

We do have a story to talk about in a second with Peter, Peter Thiel moving to Argentina. When you have a certain degree of wealth, you don't need to have stress. You, you don't need to. So Bongino going into the FBI was basically like, imagine walking into a room where there's 10 people standing around you screaming at the top of their lungs, 24, 7. He probably walked into that and said, wow, why did I do this?

[Ian Crossland]

He gave up his free speech, too.

[Tim Pool]

Like, I'm just saying, like, no, no, no. My point is this. My guys My point is, if Dan Bongino quit, shut everything down, he could go play golf for the rest of his life and just drink pina coladas. Instead, he shut everything down and then walked into a room where people were screaming in his face 24 7.

[Carter Banks]

But to be fair, I mean, Bongino came out of the nypd. I mean, he probably has a bit more bandwidth in these regards than most commentators, I think.

[Will Chamberlain]

I mean, although it's hard work, obviously, being deputy director of the FBI. But I think, you know, this is my experience in the Giuliani years.

[Carter Banks]

I mean, that was a hell.

[Will Chamberlain]

Once you, once you have a big platform and you're speaking to people on a daily basis, and then you have to shut up, which is. Yeah, that really sucks.

[Tim Pool]

Let's, let's, let's get to the, you know, civil war stuff. Let's jump to the story. We got this from KSAT man arrested for threats to kill Erica Kirk ahead of Turning Point USA event in San Antonio. Affidavit says Jacob Wensky, 26, faces two felony charges of making a terroristic threat. They say that San Antonio police investigators said Wensky replied to an April social media post about the group's three day women's leader summit by writing, I know exactly where to bomb. In a separate post in the same thread, he wrote, I can't wait to be the valet for her escort. A warrant for his arrest states, an email from an account registered to Weinsky stated, death to Erica Kirk and every speaker there. America will live on without the scum of this earth. Every Christian national shall perish in the bombing that will take place at every single Turning Point rally and event. You know, after seeing all of this stuff and just like, you know, Tucker and Candace and all that, I'm at the point where I'm like, it's all on purpose. I just, I cannot believe for a second this is accidentally happening, being allowed to happen. And that Tucker, who's friends with Trump all of a sudden just doesn't like him, has inverted his opinions, or Candace Owens just did a show with Anna Kasparian and Hunter Biden, like she's rallying the Democratic Party now. This is not an accident, okay? These people don't do these things on accident. Donald Trump doesn't all of a sudden have Joe Kent and Tulsi Gabbard resigning on accident. I don't believe it for two seconds. I think it's all on purpose. I just don't believe this stuff anymore. I'm sorry.

[Carter Banks]

I mean, I'm here, Candace.

[Will Chamberlain]

Well, what do you mean?

[Tim Pool]

What, do you not believe in that with this story? I think the guy did this and he got arrested. I'm saying that, like, the Candace, like I predicted this Candace's rhetoric and the show that she was doing and the accusations she was making would rally people to try or threaten to kill Eric Kirk.

[Ian Crossland]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

And my fear is that there will be an attempt on Erica Kirk's life because of how insane these, these largely female liberals have become over that issue.

[Will Chamberlain]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

But YouTube is not accidentally promoting Candace Owens to a wide audience. They're not accidentally allowing her to, to break all of the rules with impunity. And the Trump administration is not accidentally sitting back as she attacks them and attacks turning point USA, which helped Trump win in 2024. That would, that's, it's just too great a leap for me to believe. So sorry if it's conspiratorial. I can't believe for two seconds the Trump admins like, no, for some reason, Tucker and Candace have turned on us and are destroying our base.

[Ian Crossland]

They do say, don't attribute. Attributed to negligence.

[Will Chamberlain]

You mean. So you think the Trump administration is like, you know, in cahoots or causing. What's your, what's your claim?

[Tim Pool]

I don't understand how as I'm riding in a car with Tucker Carlson and Trump calls him on the phone and they're giggling with each other. A year later, they're mad at each other. Like, Tucker was just at the White House. He's meeting with Trump, he's meeting with premiers of foreign governments, and all of a sudden his positions invert. Short, like, very, very rapidly.

[Will Chamberlain]

Ego. Tucker's got an ego.

[Carter Banks]

I think tug. Yeah. And I think Tucker has, like, a bit of, like, residual PTSD from being like, stumping for the Iraq war. And he's, it's, it's very typical of this generation. It's almost like you almost feel bad for the guy to some degree. He's like, Iran's unfolding. I don't want to be on the wrong side of this.

[Tim Pool]

Sure. And I could, I could resign myself to like, wow, he changed his opinion. If it was just him, but tons of high profile, prominent personalities. Flipping just doesn't make sense. I mean, in a short, short term.

[Carter Banks]

But I think Tucker's taking a different line than most of the other, like, retard. Right. People are like, where Tucker is still saying some crazy things, but you can kind of sense that he's at least has something vaguely coherent. It's like a very duganist kind of like multipolar world kind of philosophy where, like the Candace stuff is just straight up schizophrenic babble.

[Tim Pool]

Tucker's been apologizing for a lot of stuff lately because his positions are an inversion of long held positions. It's not, it's not just to say that Tucker is like, on this one issue, I've changed my mind. It's Tucker going, for 20 years I said this one thing and now I'm going to say the inverse. But he's done it. And he said, and I apologize for

[Carter Banks]

this, but he went from neocon, coming it up with Rachel, you know, Rachel Maddow, to like populist, you know, firebrand. And then this is just, as I understand it, the third iteration of Tucker. But, like, this is kind of tracks.

[Tim Pool]

I would say even when he was pro Trump on Fox News, he was critical of Iran and warning about it.

[Will Chamberlain]

A nuclear Iranian audience was different. You can't. I mean, I think somebody made this point. And if you're talking about, like, you know, we have these theses to try and explain the sort of transition of these weird. Of how the independent podcasters have moved. It's the globalization of their audience and members of Congress. Right. Well, Massey, too has now.

[Tim Pool]

And Marjorie Taylor Greene.

[Will Chamberlain]

Yeah, these. All of it. I mean, at least for the pod. I'll start with the podcasters. Massey and Green are their own weird problem. The podcasters. I mean, they've, they've now, I mean, Tucker Carlson Network put out that post where he was talking about how much his foreign audience has grown. Right. Like the, the thing is you, once you go. He went. Started on Fox News, which is an American conservative audience. And he went to YouTube, which is the Globe. Yeah. And your numbers for, you know, there's 1.5 million billion Muslims in the world. There's 20 million and not near. So I think I've noticed that it's true of everybody, I think, and it's not necessarily even sort of intentional or cynical, but people get pulled where their audience. Yeah. You know, there's a, there's a feedback effect there. So I think that's part of it. I think Tucker also, he's lost any sort of constraints that he had on his show. I mean, when you think I've. I've tweeted out a few times that you. We thought we liked Tucker, but in reality we liked Blake Neff and Gregory and all in. Alex Feit. Right.

[Tim Pool]

His staffers, the people who wrote the monologues for him every day.

[Will Chamberlain]

The people who wrote. Now we See, what Tucker actually does unconstrained and it's, it's a lot is an important thing.

[Tim Pool]

People need to understand that the opening monologue that everyone loved from Tucker's show, you know, the past few years he was on Fox News. Those were written for him.

[Will Chamberlain]

And, and to the. I mean, he obviously had editing control. But then there's also constraint feedback on his monologues. Right. He might try and put some stuff that's crazy in and get pushed back on by his staff and by senior.

[Tim Pool]

Why is YouTube allowing Candace to just break the rules every day?

[Will Chamberlain]

I mean, YouTube still has a bunch of leftists, and I think leftists are perfectly happy to see the right eat itself.

[Tim Pool]

Did, did, did, did Tucker do the Jimmy Dore thing on, on YouTube? Because they're, they're hardcore anti vax in that episode.

[Will Chamberlain]

I mean, all these people. I have no time for any moral preening from anybody who indulges Candace Owens. None at all.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know. Maybe he didn't. I don't know. When he had Jimmy Dore on the show. I just saw the posts on. Was it, did he put it up on YouTube? I don't know.

[Carter Banks]

I mean, like Tucker's very anti vax,

[Tim Pool]

like outright saying vaccines and autism and all this stuff.

[Carter Banks]

And then to your point, I mean, Tucker's built up so much goodwill or I can understand why a lot of people are still following us. But the Candace thing, it's like what she went from, like very normie, like borderline, you know, neocon, certainly like a, you know, a party show. Like what goodwill is built up. Like she didn't have anything interesting to say for 10 years. Like, I can very confidently say as someone that would have been her target audience. I was, I was 14 when Trump came down the escalator. I've never once, I remember it's instant that she came on the radar. I was like, oh, here's the token black woman that they found. So she can say the base things. But then boomers watching it can be like, see, there's black people that agree with us. This is great. That was her whole career. So I just don't understand. Like, I guess what I'm trying to say is her audience, she has now is a completely separate audience from what she had.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, it's lib.

[Will Chamberlain]

It's just.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, yeah, it's like libs, bored, wine moms. It's mostly women. And women like love this kind of stuff.

[Ian Crossland]

How many non Americans is it? Do you guys analytics?

[Carter Banks]

To be fair, I do want to say, like, I think Tucker, Candace, et cetera. I think their audiences are a bit more American than people think. And my evidence for this is primarily anecdotal, but I meet a lot of people that are really into it and especially older people. I think people don't realize how old Tucker's audience is. Indeed, Tucker's one of the oldest.

[Tim Pool]

And Bongino.

[Carter Banks]

Bongino too. But Tucker, they've actually, it's the opposite of what you would think. The Daily Wire is a really young audience relative to conservative media. So 35 is young. And then Tucker has a very old audience. And the majority of people that I've heard that have like had their minds blown by Tucker are like baby boomers. Like they, they've, they have followed him from Fox.

[Tim Pool]

This is a.

[Carter Banks]

And they love this kind of stuff.

[Tim Pool]

Need to understand is that, you know, I hear a lot of people talk about like Dan Bongino. It's like, how does he have such a big audience? I don't know. Anybody who listens, listen to him. And it's like, yeah, they're all like 65.

[Carter Banks]

They're going to.

[Tim Pool]

Bongino was a host on Fox News, built up a big audience, started a show. The ideas that, and the values that he espouses are attractive to the boomer audience. And he's got a big audience.

[Will Chamberlain]

Yeah. And he's been, he was a guest on Hannity like every week, of course.

[Tim Pool]

And, and, and candace is targeting 35 year old women. That's why she has the Stan Lee mug, you know. And she does like true crime drama dating.

[Will Chamberlain]

Yeah. She turned Erica Kirk's life into a true crime drama.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly.

[Will Chamberlain]

That's basically what she did. Yeah.

[Carter Banks]

And Candace has also like roped in people that wouldn't typically be super politically involved CS women. But also like she has a very large like Hispanic and black audience. Like she's really has a very big coalition, so to speak, of viewers that would never be interested in like conservative.

[Tim Pool]

I saw this video on Instagram and it was like, like an English teacher saying tell me when you stop understanding. There's a bunch of these videos by the way, but it's like tell me when you are unable to understand what I'm telling you. And then he says like the first sentence and it's just like the dog fell and got hurt. The next sentence is the dog was running, fell down and injured himself. And then the next sentence is like on a, you know, on a voyage through a desiccant field. And like, and it gets more and More verbose. And the thing is like, you know, a show like this, we don't try to. To dumb things down. We'll use esoteric or, you know, verbose language.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, I wouldn't quite a bit.

[Tim Pool]

Candace Owens intention. I think Candace Owen says debacle intentionally. I do. You know, Ben Shapiro made fun of her because she was saying like clerflafal.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, she's a comedian.

[Tim Pool]

She's a comedian. No, no, no. It's a Bush effect. No, it's the Bush effect. Bush was very well known. George W. Bush talked like he was dumb and he got made fun of for it by, by. No, he's certainly not dumb.

[Ian Crossland]

He was mid intelligence. He got the job because daddy put him there.

[Tim Pool]

You are wrong.

[Ian Crossland]

He let Dick Cheney run the show.

[Tim Pool]

Ian.

[Ian Crossland]

Kidding me.

[Tim Pool]

Ian.

[Ian Crossland]

Homie.

[Tim Pool]

So do you know. So in sales rapport is the most important thing you can do.

[Ian Crossland]

He was charismatic as hell.

[Tim Pool]

George W. Bush is not stupid. I didn't say was stupid. I said he's highly intelligent.

[Ian Crossland]

Super intelligent.

[Will Chamberlain]

Yes, he is very smart guy.

[Tim Pool]

Very smart.

[Carter Banks]

He went to like some Yale when Yale was like still a very objective.

[Tim Pool]

This dad got on the job. It's just, it's, it's. I saw this viral clip that you know, because like Jubilee did this like, you know, Charlie Kirk update thing.

[Ian Crossland]

I actually love the interview.

[Tim Pool]

And by the way, sorry, Charlie Kirk, it's asked, do you think that Donald Trump is a good businessman? And he says, well, he's a multibillionaire, so I think so. And then this woman goes, but he had 10 bankruptcies. That's what you're doing right now.

[Ian Crossland]

No, bankruptcy can be a very good tactic indeed.

[Tim Pool]

George W. Bush communicate properly. Intentionally speaking down is how you are attractive to the lowest common denominator. That's the point I'm literally making about Candace Owens. She says debacle on purpose to sound dumb so that she can attract the lowest common denominator. That's the point. That's how you build like that's what Hillary Clinton exactly is what all the politicians do. So intentionally having a show where we use overly verbose and pretentious language sometimes intentionally is unattractive to a regular person who can't comprehend the words we're using.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, I can't. Candace bit debatable otherwise, but her verbal IQ is quite high. Anyone that's that successful in media, they know how to handle a camera.

[Ian Crossland]

I got this audio clip. George Bush isms. We should pull up some of Bush's stupidest statements. There's just Statement after statement.

[Tim Pool]

Do you understand?

[Ian Crossland]

President at the point.

[Tim Pool]

You understand that's on purpose.

[Ian Crossland]

I. There's no. You pull it up and tell me that it's on purpose. You'll be shocked.

[Carter Banks]

Watch a Bush Cabinet meeting versus a stump speech. In a stump speech, he's like, how are you? I'm from Texas. Da da, da, da. And then in a Cabinet, he's like, okay, so what are we, one of his more.

[Will Chamberlain]

Or watch a more recent interview with George.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, it's not even. It's not even that. Listen, it is a sales 101 fact. The first step towards in charisma, towards sales and persuasion is rapport. If you're trying to talk to the average person, you cannot be overly verbose. You will lose them. It's like that in that movie the Adjustment Bureau, where Matt Damon's character, he's like, running for Congress, and then he has, like, a moment of clarity where he's like, listen, you know, he's giving a speech when he loses the race, and he goes, look, I have consultants who tell me what to wear and how to wear it. They got to tell. They tell me that a blue tie looks too pretentious, but a red tie looks. Looks too aggressive, so maybe yellow might work. They tell me to wear nice shoes, so it looks like I'm a professional. But they can't be too clean because it looks pretentious. So I got to scuff them up a little bit so I seem like maybe I'm working class. This is what the whole game is. George W. Bush is not stupid. He is intentionally speaking down to be attractive to the widest array of people.

[Ian Crossland]

I think he was average intelligence, high

[Carter Banks]

career also, but George Bush, like, Like, not to get super nerdy here, but there's so many indicators that. And I'm like, I'm not a George Bush fan at all. I'm just saying he was flying fighter jets. Like, they're not going to let someone at the middling IQ and fighter jets be president.

[Tim Pool]

Then if you're so smart.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, these are like, top.

[Tim Pool]

You're smarter than he was. Be president then prove it.

[Ian Crossland]

It's. You need more than intelligence to be president, man. His dad was George Bush.

[Tim Pool]

What?

[Ian Crossland]

So he got him the job? Is that his name is George Bush

[Tim Pool]

again, you're just proving Jeb Bush was

[Ian Crossland]

able to run for office.

[Tim Pool]

His daddy. Go to anybody who's got success and wealth, who has built a company, and they will tell you the same thing. The first mistake so many people make is the assumption that it can only be accomplished through, through money. When it is a scientific fact. Perseverance is the only prerequisite to success. That's a fact.

[Carter Banks]

These are like genetic markers too. Like do you think LeBron James Jr. Is an NBA because, because of his dad? It's like. Well, no, it's because his dad had really good genetics and that makes him a good basketball player. Or Ken Griffey Jr. It's the same thing.

[Tim Pool]

Friendly access house.

[Carter Banks]

He has a genetic makeup that allows him to be an intelligent person, but also exceptionally good education, politics, etc.

[Ian Crossland]

Maybe you could say George Bush has like a 68 intelligence out of 100. Above average.

[Tim Pool]

That's probably like 95.

[Ian Crossland]

No, dude, I lived through it, bro. I watched it every day. Drove me insane. He let Chaney run the thing, dude. He wasn't good at his job.

[Tim Pool]

I don't figurehead. I don't understand how you can't grasp this concept.

[Ian Crossland]

You're saying he's intelligent, but you don't have to be intelligent to be in

[Tim Pool]

Congress to be a politician.

[Ian Crossland]

You need to be charisma. You need, you just need to trick people and get them to laugh. I mean, fool me once, shame on me. On you.

[Tim Pool]

Fool me twice, just a dumb accidentally president.

[Carter Banks]

Well, just to prove that like I'm very consistent on. I mean like Joe Biden is obviously a very intelligent. Yes, he was Barack Obama clearly an intelligent person. So it's like no, like we can. Again, I perceive Biden as a dumb person because of his policy actions. But he's, he was president.

[Will Chamberlain]

He had a very successful career. Bush was very, very.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, Bush is brilliant.

[Will Chamberlain]

Right, Like Donald Trump.

[Tim Pool]

These people are all genius level intellect.

[Ian Crossland]

Trump's very smart. Not, not every president.

[Will Chamberlain]

Trump doesn't talk. Does Trump talk like a smart person all the time. Does he use complicated words like a construction worker?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, but he's, he's a smart guy. He's super intelligent smart.

[Will Chamberlain]

Bush, really?

[Ian Crossland]

I mean if you guys were talking about George Bush Jr. I just don't, I don't know, trying to appeal.

[Tim Pool]

You have, you have an emotional bias, Ian. Five years. Do you understand how sales works and how politics works?

[Ian Crossland]

It's charisma. You even mentioned it like 5.

[Tim Pool]

Hillary Clayton was on camera in 20 in the 2016 campaign speaking with the Southern drawl. Yeah, because she didn't understand social media.

[Will Chamberlain]

What is, what did she say? I've long tired or something like that. Something.

[Tim Pool]

She talked about how she had hot sauce in her purse. Yeah, we really believe that when carries hot sauce in her purse. No, she was lying to get black votes through black media.

[Ian Crossland]

She's highly intelligent. So is Bill.

[Tim Pool]

George W. Bush spoke that way to be attractive to regular people.

[Carter Banks]

I'll even say the most unpopular. I think Jasmine Crockett's actually probably pretty smart.

[Tim Pool]

Of course she is. It's like when you listen to. When you listen to her before she was in office and she's clear and articulate and normal and then she does the ghetto trash thing to get votes.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Okay, let's pick some congressmen. We'll just pick some random comments.

[Carter Banks]

I mean, there's certainly a few that I'm like, okay, yeah, now we're talking about.

[Will Chamberlain]

Now we're talking about 435 people, some of whom you know.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah. I think Steve Cohen could have won a.

[Ian Crossland]

So you can admit you don't have to be intelligent to be in politics.

[Carter Banks]

Well, to be president. Much different than like winning an election with a couple hundred.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, I'm just taking you step by step. What if your dad's the president before senator's the cutoff?

[Tim Pool]

Let me, let me, let's clarify this. You in almost all circumstances because I reserve their, you know, absolutes would be silly. In physical systems, you need to have an above average intelligence to be president.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, probably above average. You can't be an idiot to be a president.

[Tim Pool]

President and. No, no, no. To be in politics. Sure.

[Ian Crossland]

Above average. 65. 60, something like that. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Well, if we're talking about average, we're talking if 50 is, is. Is the middle of the bell curve, then yeah, 60 to 70 is usually the bottom of. Of to be. To be in some kind of office. But there are anomalies sometimes stupid people get through because they run on a pose or something like this. But to be a president. So again, Candace Owens is not accidentally hosting a massive show. Tucker Carlson is not accidentally hosting a massive show. And you know, I've been, I've been massively obsessed with the, the recitation problem in, in AI for, for a while. Which I don't know if we brought up yesterday on the show, but I'll ask you this question. Will you got an IQ test for you. All right, you ready? We're gonna, we're gonna, we'll put you on the spot and embarrass you. Okay, here's your question. You walk into a casino and you know, you're looking around, you wanna find a game to play and you see there's a roulette table and dealer's a little tired looking. There's a few Open seats. So you decide, you know, I'll go play this game. You take a seat, and you decide to watch some spins before you make any bets. Out of the last 30 spins, 17 come up red. So you decide, I'm going to make a color bet. Which color should you bet on? Which is this? Which. Which. Which color is the smarter bet?

[Will Chamberlain]

Well, I think the. In the sort of. If we're talking. If, you know, if we're talking like the Platonic ideal of a roulette table, then it doesn't matter if 17 have come up red and you have some. There's some possibility that the table is physically biased and flawed, then maybe it makes more sense to bet red, which

[Tim Pool]

is the correct answer.

[Will Chamberlain]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So I bring this up because there are people go, look at my Twitter. And they can't comprehend this, right? They cannot understand that math doesn't. In the physical reality. Math doesn't exist in the abstract. So they genuinely believe it doesn't matter. It will never matter. When, in fact, the likelihood that a roulette wheel is perfectly balanced is zero. The probability that a roulette wheel is balanced is zero. The likelihood that a dealer is perfect is zero. But there are people who can't comprehend this and they get angry about it. And I had to tell these people, but they don't understand. They can't understand.

[Will Chamberlain]

I mean, the answer is there's no way whatever hypothetical increase in probability, I mean, there is for red doesn't overcome the house edge, obviously. So you shouldn't bet, but doesn't.

[Tim Pool]

You don't know that. And that's. That's the point. You always almost.

[Will Chamberlain]

Well, I mean, but like, from a Bayesian, like, you don't know that. But like, as a Bayesian just going into a random casino, you. So I assume that the edge trumps whatever the increase in probability that I think it's.

[Tim Pool]

I think it's always fair to assume the house is trying to make money. However, that's why casinos pull dealers. It's why they added deflectors, and it's why they tell croupiers to change their spin. Because sometimes there's a thing in roulette called sector betting where I've done this. A dealer will begin to spin the ball the same way every time, at the same time every time. So some dealers might actually wait till double zero lines up with their hand and they'll flick it. And what ends up happening is the ball keeps landing in the same quadrant of the wheel. So like 10 times in a row, you're like it hit the same quarter of the wheel. It's called sector betting. And professional gamblers exploit this. They look for an advantage play in roulette. When this happens, if the. If. If so, then what happens is they'll go up and they'll make a massive bet in that sector and then win a few grand. Then the pit boss comes over and goes to the dealer and says, change your spin. Because these things do happen. My point ultimately is this. When I asked this question and I did a poll, 70% of people got it wrong. They said, it doesn't matter. If I was trying to sell as many gym memberships or beers or whatever to a group of people, would I want them to feel smart or stupid? Smart. You want to make them feel good. Rapport is number one. So knowing that 70% of people will get the question wrong, you set them up intentionally to make it feel like they are smart and they got the question right. Knowing that 70% will answer it doesn't matter. I would set up a situation in which they would get a positive emotion out of the experience and then say, wow, you're really smart. You should buy this product from me. You're the perfect kind of person. If I go to them and say, wow, most of you are stupid. How could you be so dumb, not even so aggressive? If I said, hey, you got this question wrong there, many of them get mad, rejected outright. My point ultimately is I should have

[Ian Crossland]

said Bush was smart so that he'd come on the show. I got your point.

[Tim Pool]

George W. Bush, Candace Owens, they're not accidentally multimillionaires, leaders of industry. It is not an accident.

[Ian Crossland]

Bush is nepotism.

[Tim Pool]

Nepotism plays a role. But Bush was not accidentally president.

[Ian Crossland]

No, he was intentionally put there, for sure. I think you know Bush's old sidekick, Cheney.

[Tim Pool]

Like, I can only tell you this, Ian, and if you're unwilling to accept it, I don't want to improve.

[Ian Crossland]

It's all my opinion. This is all opinion.

[Tim Pool]

Well, there's a fact. The fact is, I guarantee you this. I have heard this from so many people. Well, I'm probably. I'm sure you've probably heard the same thing. I could do it if only I had the money.

[Will Chamberlain]

No, you couldn't.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly. It's just that you absolutely cannot. I've heard it from so many people. I was on a bus in LA talking about a startup I was working on, and my friend was like, shh. She was like, you're just blurting out what you're working on. And I was like, Are you joking? You think the people on this bus can put together an app for Facebook? I'm not trying to be addicted to people on the bus. But guys like, this is not reality. This idea of like I have a good idea I can execute upon is not correct. This idea of I have a good idea, if only I had the money I could execute upon it is not correct. There is this idea that exists among the layman that if you have a good idea, you better be careful because a rich person might steal it from you. That's not true either. I guarantee you. Sometimes maybe, but usually it's your fault. And I know that you know this as well. You go to a meeting with investors and you say, I have a really great idea for this judges gavel, but I'm going to put a clock in it. Now let's say that for some reason was a really good idea. You know, the investor is going to say, how much do you need to do it? I'm $50,000 to start up. Okay, I want 30%. They're not going to say that's a good idea. I'm going to steal it from you. Why? The person who's already envisioned it and is working on it is sitting right in front of you. If you got to spend 50 grand to make it happen, just hire the guy who's sitting in front of you who wants to do it. But there are a lot of people who don't understand this.

[Will Chamberlain]

Yeah, there's. And there's enormous reserves of capital in the world chasing good ideas and industrious founders. That's literally Silicon Valley. Like indeed, that's, you know, the most powerful economic engine in the world. I mean, and part of what makes Silicon Valley Silicon Valley is that they have all these different cultural norms about how venture capitalists need to behave that are extremely profounder. Right. If you're a VC and you exploit a founder or mistreat them, you don't get to be in on the next round with the next VC or with the next big deal, like all these things. But so yeah, and ideas are a dime a dozen. It's like the idea combined with the person that can actually make the idea a reality.

[Tim Pool]

But I'll tell you this, I. Ideas are a dime a dozen. I don't care about ideas. I care about execution. Yeah, you find you, you find me somebody who can execute but as dumb as a box of rocks. Like they can't envision, they're not creative. But if you say I want a, you know, I want someone to build A pyramid of bricks, and I want it tomorrow morning. And they're like, I can make that happen. Like, that's the person you want to hire.

[Ian Crossland]

Hire, yes. But sometimes you want the visionary, like Steve Jobs, and then you get Steve Wozniak, who's the. The guy that executes. You get. They work together so well.

[Tim Pool]

Actually, things the other way around, I think Jobs is the guy who executed, and Wozniak was the visionary. Really?

[Will Chamberlain]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

The story's told that, no, Wozniak built.

[Ian Crossland]

I want to see this. And Wozniak be like, I'll build it. And then he'd go into his garage and, like, make the thing.

[Tim Pool]

And Wozniak invented the technology, and Steve Jobs packaged and sold it and made it palatable to the average person. Steve.

[Will Chamberlain]

Steve was in. Jobs is an unbelievably hardworking person, right? Indeed. And a guy who executed like crazy.

[Tim Pool]

Here you go, Jobs. Quite often, Steve Jobs said the iPhone should have one button. Mac computer.

[Ian Crossland]

Been so annoying. That's what they do with the ipod. It was so annoying.

[Tim Pool]

You know why?

[Ian Crossland]

And they did that with their original mouse.

[Tim Pool]

They took away the left mouse. You know why they dominate the smartphone market in the United States? Because they were selling to the lowest common denominator. They said it has to be. A person needs to be able to pick up the phone and just use it.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, they're Matt.

[Tim Pool]

And what was. What did people say about Apple? It just works. That was it. That's. That's the point. So ultimately, what I'm getting to is these leftists go, donald Trump is an idiot. And they go on TV and they say it, and I'm just like, I don't think Jimmy Kimmel actually believes Trump stupid when he says this stuff. I don't think Colbert actually believes that. They understand this. Those guys aren't stupid either. Now, being smart doesn't guarantee success. Perseverance tends to. It's the one thing you actually need. But there are people out there who are smarter than anybody else, but don't have either the passion or the perseverance to succeed. Additionally, depending on the type, depending on what you would consider successful, depravity can benefit you greatly as well.

[Ian Crossland]

For sure, ripping people off is huge in business. Taking advantage of people, cheap slaves being

[Will Chamberlain]

less so than you'd think. Less so than you think. There's a little. It's not. I'm not saying that doesn't exist, but.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I'm saying, like, look at the podcast industry with Tucker and Candace with massive shows, right? They're unscrupulous.

[Will Chamberlain]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Like their opinions are for sale, you know?

[Will Chamberlain]

Yeah. It feels, I think the more zero sum any environment gets and I think that eyeballs and audience are kind of, I mean, there's just only so much time that any Americans are willing to spend listening to podcasts.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed.

[Ian Crossland]

Unless we have hyped up AI numbers, which I can't tell if they're going to scale the views with the people that are born.

[Tim Pool]

Well, this is, this is part of the AI apocalypse that's happening. I think Candace and Tucker are elements of this in that, you know, as more and more young people who grew up on the Internet are entering the labor market or whatever version of it we have, and they don't know how to make money. They do what they know they're doing. Social media, I'm seeing, I see more and more low level influencers that are doing cultural and political commentary. They don't necessarily have the keenest of insights, but they take up space. So it becomes harder and harder to stand out and make money. And we are actually a component of this in the earlier sense in that it used to be the television networks made a ton of money, got 20 million views, you know, CNN and Fox and all that stuff. Then with decentralization, shows like this were able to emerge where it was much, much cheaper to run a show. We pulled audience from the likes of Fox News and cnn. Now all of these young people that are becoming influencers are pulling views from us and from them and everything's diluting and flattening out. What happens is people like Tucker and Candace need to maintain those views. And if you are unscrupulous, you'll say whatever you have to say to get the views. So if the American audience is diluted, but you need a million views per episode because you want to maintain your lifestyle or make money, you're gonna try and find the audience. Truth is, there's 2 billion Muslims in the world, so going anti Jew is really easy. Why? What's the lost market share for being anti Jew? 20 million. What's the gained market share? 2 billion. That's easy. Math, dude.

[Ian Crossland]

The thing about deception, it's such a valuable tactic in business and in politics and like, why it's illegal to an extent.

[Tim Pool]

I want to not be deceptive.

[Ian Crossland]

I've tried to do it and it's why I'm not super rich, because I just, I'm trying to be honest and direct and it like.

[Tim Pool]

And that's not, that's not true.

[Will Chamberlain]

And you're making Excuses for yourself.

[Ian Crossland]

Are you kidding me? I mean, I could easily have a shitload of audience right now. I could blow other people's. I could blow this show up and go huge.

[Will Chamberlain]

Never do that of audience. Sure. Okay.

[Tim Pool]

In the context of if you mean you're going to, like, I got to say, like, I think you're lying to yourself.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, it's easy to deceive people and to make 10x. I mean, it's easy, dude, I just don't want.

[Carter Banks]

I agree to an extent, because if I, like, got up here and I just started tweeting out every day, Trump's betrayed us, and I started, like, nitpicking every single decision he makes, I'd be eight times as big right now because that's, that's, that, that's market capture. It's like I'm capturing what, 80% of conservatives that are happy with Trump, but then I could capture every libtard plus 20% of conservatives that don't.

[Tim Pool]

And that's what Brian Tyler Cohen and David Pakman are.

[Carter Banks]

And that's what a lot of people on the right are doing right now, is they're doing the, like sports radio, where they're like, you know, the coach subbed him in at the wrong time. Da, da, da. I could, I'd be way bigger right now. That's, that's unfortunately where a lot of the market is.

[Will Chamberlain]

I have joke that my, if I was running a daily podcast, it would be really boring because I'd be saying how great the administration's doing. Repeat, be like, man, they're, they're killing it again. Another day, great day.

[Tim Pool]

Smile on my face.

[Will Chamberlain]

Hit like and subscribe.

[Tim Pool]

You are both correct, but to an extent. Right. The idea that you would be rich and massive. Ian, by, by lying.

[Ian Crossland]

I, I, I used to lie to people on YouTube. I made. So I got so popular so fast, it just, I would just find the most popular thing and rip it apart. And everyone loved me. It was, my shit was going fucking. And then I was like, you know, I can't, I feel dirty.

[Tim Pool]

I felt like, yes, yes, yes. But again, to clarify, like, reaching the upper echelons of the podcasting rankings, for which there are only like, the top 200 is a top 200 and only, like, in the top 200, how many are actually making a ton of money? I don't like the number 200. Biggest podcast in the world probably is making six figures.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And the number one is making 50 million to 200 million or more.

[Carter Banks]

And what your describing is also like a really common trope, actually, in Hollywood, where, you know, they follow a singer who, like, he was really, like, a family man and all sorts of friends when he was busking on the street. And then he becomes all like, this successful singer, and then his friends are like, hey, man. He's like, oh, I don't know. You might. You know, I'll upset my manager if I hang out with you guys. That's like, the most common trope.

[Will Chamberlain]

And.

[Carter Banks]

And, you know, in Hollywood, because I'm. To a degree, I guess that maybe does happen.

[Tim Pool]

I'm just saying that the idea of I could just do it if only is one of the biggest mistakes people make and tends to be proof that they can't do it.

[Will Chamberlain]

I agree.

[Ian Crossland]

Do it or don't. I mean, don't talk about how you could. But I just. I like to point out the value of deception. I used to think deception equaled evil. It doesn't. Like, George Washington was a master of deception, and that's why they won that war. Cause he could send false orders to the enemy when he needed to and be where he wasn't.

[Will Chamberlain]

Yeah, and Trump definitely deceives, too. That's a big part of his foreign policy.

[Tim Pool]

I view, like, a fundamental component of evil to be destruction for the sake of destruction, or so it's. It's. You know, I hate to. I don't want to be absolute with it, but I would say that an element of evil often includes destruction for small personal benefit. So greater destruction to life and civilization and humanity for a small benefit to you, that is, you are a net negative on humanity.

[Ian Crossland]

And you might argue that deception is a form of psychological destruction. And if you're doing it just to get a little bit of gain, that's evil. But if you're doing it for a greater purpose.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, that's basic Christian theology is like, okay, deception in advance of something good is. Is not actually a sin insofar as, like, if someone busts into a room and you're, you know, the guy they're looking for is hiding in a locker, and they say, where is he? And you say, I don't know where he went. So that way they leave. That's not like. That's not a mortal sin. You actually spared the guy's life.

[Tim Pool]

There is. There is a reality to the nature of man and Earth, and that is slavery is and always will be a component of what we do. So right now we are using microphones with components that are mined by slaves in third world countries. Peasants, maybe is a nicer way to put it, there's peasants in China that produce things for pennies on the dollar, and we live substantially better than they do. And liberal activists don't really want to acknowledge the components in their computers that they use for their environmentalism are destructive to the environment. It's the nature of reality that people need to come to terms with. That is, you see a lot of these people online, and they do sales for, like, courses. They'll say, if you want to be successful, if you want to, you know, if you want to break the bank and escape the matrix or whatever, give me money and I'll explain to you how to do it. They're basically saying, listen, there is. There are. There are a hundred million there. There are 10 billion, you know, 8 billion really stupid people out there, and they could all give me a dollar, and then I will live like a king. That's basically what they're saying when they do a lot of this stuff. There's a truth to that, right? You will be wealthy if you can convince a billion stupid people to give you a dollar, you'll be a billionaire. And that's what a lot of people do. I feel like that's the ethos of the Democratic Party. For the most part. They view the world as people are really dumb and should be told what to do. And the populist movement, largely with the right, is, to a certain degree, we're gonna withhold information if we think it could be detrimental. But for the most part, it's tell the truth and hope that people come to the right conclusions and we have a robust, intelligent movement. And that's why I think you find many moderates shifted rightward and toward Trump. The left just lies about everything all day. Everything about Trump is a lie.

[Ian Crossland]

Have you guys ever read the romance of the Three Kingdoms? It's a Chinese novel wrote in the 1400s by Luo Gang Xiao about this war that took place in 200 AD in China. And the honorable ethical guy Liu Bei is the hero, in my opinion of the book. He fails. The kingdom splits into three. There's this bandit uprising. The Yellow Turbans are trying to. And all these governors raise armies and fight this rebellion. And then one of the governors seizes the emperor and takes control of the country. And all the other governors have to raise standing armies, and then they form into these three kingdoms and Liu Bei's kingdom.

[Tim Pool]

He's the.

[Ian Crossland]

The benevolence. He is just pure and honest in the story. And he can't beat the deceptive South South.

[Will Chamberlain]

Plot of Game of Thrones, I wouldn't be surprised.

[Ian Crossland]

The great deceiver, the one who said, I would rather betray the world than let the world betray me is the one who won. And that's the moral of the story.

[Tim Pool]

The moral of the story is those that are willing to exercise power, to gain more power win.

[Will Chamberlain]

Yeah. I mean, the whole thesis of Game of Thrones, right, is, you know, Ned Stark is the character, the honest, upright man who keeps making these stupid mistakes. Mistakes. And get killed for his trouble. And then. And then I. I have a provocative thesis, which is that Tywin Lannister is actually the hero of Game of Thrones.

[Tim Pool]

Well, until he dies, I guess.

[Will Chamberlain]

Or what, right? That was George. George R.R. martin, just deciding that he, you know, his. His left TARDIS kind of coming into play, I think, honestly. But, you know, there's like this thing about, you know, but anyway, I could go, yeah, Tywin Lannister. Tywin Lannister is the person who understands actually what's going on and does the things that actually lead.

[Tim Pool]

Let me ask you a question, Ian. You are a king of a great Nation. You have 50 million loyal subjects, or let's say you're the duly elected president. And a meteor is just been detected. It's just been detected and they say, Mr. President, we have just detected this large meteor that's going to crash into the nation. It's going to kill everybody. It's not going to wipe out the planet, but it will kill everyone in this country. We have a way to stop it, but we need 1 million people to run the machinery to stay in that city so that they can prepare the counter missiles that we can launch and fire at this, this, this meteor and destroy it before it wipes out 50 million lives. If you tell the people that you want them to sacrifice themselves, most of them will flee, will not operate the machinery, and everyone will die. What do you want to do?

[Will Chamberlain]

I leave.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't tell them a thing. I let them run the machine.

[Tim Pool]

You let them all die?

[Ian Crossland]

Well, hopefully so. They're going to die regardless, even if they succeed.

[Tim Pool]

So the idea is that the metaphor in this, in this city, they're going

[Ian Crossland]

to let them die. I would sacrifice a million to save the rest. You have.

[Tim Pool]

They're going to launch countermeasures which will only destroy the meteor up to a certain size. And the remnants will slam right into where they are, killing 1 million people.

[Ian Crossland]

It's the utilitarian. You have to. You have to sacrifice the few to preserve the many.

[Tim Pool]

This was the argument Democrats used during COVID And then here's what happens. They all fire the countermeasures at the meteor. They miss. But the meteor wasn't headed towards the country. They got the math wrong. You were willing to sacrifice a bunch of people because a guy told you to trust him, and it turned out he was wrong the whole time. That could happen, too. You could. You could do it a better way. You could say, like, they have to operate a machine that will generate so much radiation they'll all fry to death, but it'll save the country. Then they launched the missile. All get radiation poisoning. The meteor missed. The calculations were off. No one was ever really at risk. And you sacrificed a million people because of a what if from someone you trusted.

[Ian Crossland]

The first thing I thought while you were giving me the metaphor was, rally my most trusted oligarchs and we'll figure this out. And we're gonna solve it without anyone knowing about it.

[Tim Pool]

We learned a lot about the COVID vaccine recently. I don't know if you're tracking this stuff right?

[Will Chamberlain]

No.

[Tim Pool]

Stanford published in December that 1 in 16,750 males 30 and under got myocarditis from the vaccine. And this is. Myocarditis is serious. This is not, you know, this is heart damage. It shortens your lifespan. We also had another study that came out that said that MRNA vaccination, if it travels to your liver, will actually decrease your immunity. So it is considered now very likely that when people were getting the vaccines, it was not. This is a fact. We know it wasn't staying in the injection site. The presumption now based on the study published in [e-mail], is that many people who had the MRNA vaccine travel from the injection site into their liver became more susceptible to getting Covid. The argument made the whole time was that, yes, there will be vaccine injury, but the amount of vaccine injury is substantially less than the deaths from the. From COVID So they argued everybody should be forced to get the vaccine to save as many people. Now we're learning that people got heart damage from it and that people may have had their immune systems weakened by it. And that's. And that's the challenge with this utilitarian worldview of thinking that you know what is true. Deciding to pull the trigger and sacrifice a portion of your own population to save more people when you could be wrong the whole time.

[Ian Crossland]

And the people that you would intend to sacrifice might actually be better. Like sacrificing a million brilliant people might be worse than, you know, rescuing 100 million idiots.

[Tim Pool]

So there's that there's none. The philosopher king may say, it pains me to sacrifice a million to save a billion, but I have to. Then he sacrifices that million, and the meteor was never a threat in the first place, and he just killed a million people for no reason.

[Ian Crossland]

That's part of why I don't want to be president. But the thing is recoiling from power, someone else is going to take it. So.

[Tim Pool]

Correct. So Trump can choose to be the brutal guy and we can shift. As to the Iran stuff, I think the closing of the Strait of Hormuz is the intended condition. I don't think they're trying to open it. I mean, the Strait of Hormuz was open before the war, so it doesn't make sense that it becomes a point of contention now. To end the war, it's cutting China off from 50% of its oil imports. It's constraining our enemies while converting the United States into one of the largest oil exporters in the world. So Trump, how many times now, as he said, we have a deal. Seven.

[Will Chamberlain]

Yeah.

[Carter Banks]

We've won like eight times.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. It sounds more like whenever there is, like a boiling point where it's like, what is going on? Trump says the war is about to end and everyone calms down. Then nothing happens. It starts getting hot. Hot. People start losing their minds. No, no, it's going to end now and it calms down. But it's the whole time China's been cut off from their imports, which is.

[Will Chamberlain]

Which is sort of. I mean, that actually makes some sense in this. I mean, if it's really hard to criticize what Trump's doing on Iran from a logical perspective, because we don't. We don't know what he's seeing. Right.

[Tim Pool]

He takes out. Let's. Let's do this. We do have a story. We do have a story. We got to pull it up. Here we go. Ladies and gentlemen, from Politico, Pentagon puts building blocks in place for Cuba invasion. The Navy's presence in the Caribbean has not reduced despite the Iran war. What did Donald Trump do? He went into Venezuela, took out Maduro, got our oil as its back just before we went into to Iran. Now he's going after Hassan and these lefties for funding and financing related to Cuba. The US Is going to make a move on Cuba. I do not believe Donald Trump wants the Strait of Hormuz open. I just think that the administration can't tell the American people we got your gas to five bucks on purpose.

[Will Chamberlain]

Mm.

[Tim Pool]

$5 gas in the United States as Far as Trump is concerned is a small price to pay to cut off half of the energy imports for China. China's the biggest threat to the United States.

[Carter Banks]

I mean, the problem with that calculation would be, I think they understood that if they intentionally shut down the Strait of Hormuz, it would completely decimate the Japanese economy. Now the Japanese bond market is completely overheating and that's screwing us over big time because again, that was our largest debtor or a creditor rather, and now they're selling off all their bonds. It's destroying our bond market. Now he went from Kevin Warsh coming into cut rates. Now he's like, I might have to hike rates. The market is, you know, calculating.

[Tim Pool]

I don't think that changes the calculus. I think the idea is we know this was bad for us, it's worse for China. Donald, Donald, Donald Trump is, he's wielding a double edged sword. The hope is that we cause more damage to our global adversaries than we do to ourselves. Point being, Trump can't come out and say, I am going to cause US gas to jump to $5 to hurt China because the Americans are going to be like, what? I don't care about China.

[Carter Banks]

Well, I don't think it was so much us trying to limit China's energy supply because they are able to get it from Russia on sale. I think what, in that theory, I think what makes a little bit more sense is that, and we have seen some indications in the press that China was pressuring Iran to start selling oil and yuan and that would be a huge problem for the United States. And so some have argued, I don't necessarily know if, like, because who knows, who knows what Trump's saying to your point, but like some have speculated that Trump can't actually lose this war because if Iran starts trading in the yuan, that's going to freeze out the United States from a massive energy sector.

[Will Chamberlain]

I mean, he's, it like he's kind of, I mean he's in a tough spot. Right? Even if, even if your theory is not right, let's say, let's, let's take this sort of not mainstream. I don't know if that's the right word. Orthodox theory of the war.

[Tim Pool]

Orthodox theory being that Donald Trump accidentally triggered a war which closed the state. I'm sorry, let me clarify. Donald Trump started a war that accidentally resulted in the closure of the Strait of Hormuz and the spiking of gas prices. And now he's been struggling for several months to cut a deal that will Open the strait. That's the orthodox view, right?

[Will Chamberlain]

I think that. The orthodox view says he thought that. The orthodox view, I don't think, is that. That, you know, harsh on Trump. I think the orthodox view would say he did that. He thought, you know, we will be able to impose overwhelming military superiority over Iran and they will want to cut a deal.

[Tim Pool]

And he was wrong.

[Will Chamberlain]

And he was.

[Tim Pool]

And now he can't re. And so, so, so, again, it's Trump screwed up or it's on purpose. Which do you think it is? I think it's on purpose. I don't think. I think Trump went into Venezuela to secure oil assets because he knew the strait was going to get closed.

[Will Chamberlain]

I don't, you know, I think that it's more likely that they, you know, they just misjudged the Iranians a little bit.

[Tim Pool]

Because I think I go to Venezuela then.

[Carter Banks]

Well, Venezuela.

[Will Chamberlain]

I mean, Venezuela's. No, because Venezuela is. I mean, they're thugs.

[Tim Pool]

They're.

[Will Chamberlain]

They're hostile to us. I mean, these are. I mean, really, it's, you know, these people are hosting the Iranians, the Russians, the Chinese. Like.

[Tim Pool]

Sure. I just. I don't think it's a coincidence that the US Seized back the largest. I mean, it's the largest oil producer in the world.

[Will Chamberlain]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And then. I don't think that it is. I don't think it's a coincidence. Trump was like, we're going to take the oil assets from Venezuela and then randomly and unrelated, we're going to go to war with Iran, you know, a month later.

[Will Chamberlain]

I mean, I think that that. I mean, that obviously makes sense. I think that they certainly, I think, considered. The idea that, like, Trump and his team did not consider the possibility of the Hormuz closure is ridiculous. I've seen people put that out there. Right. They had no. The idea. They had no plan for the Hormuz closure. They had no idea like, that that might happen. That's absurd. Obviously, they did. Like I've talked to. I know people in Navy EOD who, like, you've had Tom Sauer on, Right. Like, Tom Sauer's talked about this. Like, this is what they plan for. For decades. They've. They've considered this problem.

[Tim Pool]

So. So the issue is, why is Trump struggling to cut a deal that would open the Strait?

[Will Chamberlain]

Because it's. There's a lot of different interests, and I think the most likely explanation is that there's a lot of these different competing interests. You know, I tweeted this out a couple of days ago, which is the idea that the one foreign, you know, we talk about foreign influence and everybody harps on Israel. The one country that always seems to get its way, or has been getting its way as to Trump's actions is Saudi Arabia. Prior to the war, Saudi Arabia was asking, hey, you need to go do this. You can't let Iran make you look weak. And then now with Saudi's oil infrastructure under threat, they're like, hey, can we do diplomacy? And so that's actually like, that's true.

[Tim Pool]

It was also causing problems in the Red Sea for which sides have a massive interest.

[Will Chamberlain]

Right. And so I think the Saudis, it's managing these sort of like, like key allies who are investing, or have promised to invest huge amounts in the United States. Right. Like something like 4 trillion between Saudi Arabia, UAE and Qatar.

[Carter Banks]

And the Abraham Accords are on the line.

[Will Chamberlain]

And the Abraham Accords, they want to expand them. So there's just, you know, it's almost like, I think people kind of, especially in our space, just like, have this like very narrow aperture, like they do. It's just tunnel vision on Israel in terms of like foreign influence. And they're not understanding that actually, especially given the way that the war happened, which is, you know, there was a huge degradation of Iranian military capability and especially their, their ballistic missiles that can actually hit Israel thousand miles away, but they, they have all their short range missiles that can hit the Gulf.

[Carter Banks]

And I think that was ultimately.

[Will Chamberlain]

And that was, that was what happened. Remember we did that convoy thing, the Project Freedom thing.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah.

[Will Chamberlain]

And there was a Saudi, there's a Saudi commentary by the name of Iman Dean, who you should be reading if you aren't. He's really, really interesting. But, you know, there was this talk about how the Saudis requested a pause or something, or the pause was done at the request of Pakistan. And I Madein explained that what happened was, you know, Saudi Arabia, the UAE were all like, yes, let's do these convoys, get the ships out of Hormuz. And then they started doing it. And Iran fired at the oil, some oil infrastructure, like at Fujairah and a few other places. And then the United States, like in a press conference. Kane was like, well, we think that's, we're not going to say that's above the threshold of a ceasefire. Like, that's still a ceasefire. And the Saudi and the Emiratis apparently are like, I'm sorry, what? They blew up our oil infrastructure. That's, that's a ceasefire. You're not. Okay, you need to stop doing this. Because if you're not going to respond to our oil infrastructure being built, then we're not going to. We're not okay with this convoy project.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah.

[Will Chamberlain]

Brought it to a quick end. Yeah.

[Carter Banks]

And as I understand it too, like, obviously there's domestic pressure. Not that the European allies can do too much about this, but you know, there's been a lot of frustration from Trump that I think they anticipated going in that actually the Europeans, the Japanese, etc. Would at least intervene and assist in some way. I do think they actually anticipated that happening and didn't happen. I think part of why and what no one's talking about is again, like the Saudis, the Qataris are heavily invested in a lot of European markets like that. That is very true. And again, the Europeans kind of understand that they might have, they might have not as much leverage as they quite thought. Well, I dance right now between Starmer trying to please obviously his base, but now he's screwed. But he's also got to keep the foreign investors happy them in a really bad situation.

[Tim Pool]

We lose if our adversaries are allowed to control our media. And I think it is patently obvious for a long time now foreign interests have been manipulating our media in a variety of ways. And it seems like the US has no capability to stop it.

[Ian Crossland]

JD Vance said if we lose the AI war, we lose everything. And this is why Taiwan's such an important. They're doing like 100% of the chip fabrication. I don't know if they say literally, but numbers I've seen thrown around Elon's like, we, dear God, need to reshore our chip manufacturing. We need to. We're on the precipice. You know, the iron lattice technology is pretty promising. I don't want to talk about it because the Chinese are listening, but what other choice do we have? You know, you put the memory in the process or you get 10 million times effectivity. We're kind of I don't need to build it.

[Will Chamberlain]

And that's changed the topic completely.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, well, I mean to tight back and to tie it back in and. Well, I'd be curious your thoughts on this is. I don't actually think Trump is this China hawk that people make him out to be. And I think that was evident when he was meeting with the Chinese and he effectively said the Taiwanese, like that's a situation that can be later. And if he was this massive China hawk, he wouldn't have like used that as leverage in negotiations over Iran. I think he, I think he. The Middle east is actually much more of a focus for him than people realize.

[Tim Pool]

My point is the US Will not have the political willpower to stop our adversaries and win these conflicts if the people are convinced they're not our adversaries.

[Will Chamberlain]

Yeah, I mean, you know, you know,

[Tim Pool]

you know, you know, the biggest threat to America is right now. What, according to Twitter.

[Will Chamberlain]

What?

[Ian Crossland]

You know, sympathy for the Iranian government.

[Tim Pool]

The biggest threat to the United States is China. However, if you follow the biggest podcasts in the world, which country is the biggest threat to America? Is real. A country the size of New Jersey that spends what, like one twentieth the lobbying dollars that China does? Don't get me wrong, you're allowed to complain about Israel and their lobbying and AIPAC and all of that stuff, but I think it's really funny that when Donald Trump endorses Paxton and Cornyn is the AIPAC candidate, these personalities aren't coming out and cheering for the defeat of the AIPAC candidate.

[Will Chamberlain]

I mean, yeah, go right away.

[Tim Pool]

But again, I want to stress this. This is because we have foreign influence manipulating our media space. How is. I don't care about Israel at all. I literally just do not. You want to criticize their lobbying. You don't like all those things are allowed. You're mad about what's happening in Gaza. Absolutely allowed. But the greatest threat to the United States. Singular threat. And I don't think it's the only threat. But China is a much bigger adversary on the global stage than any other country. They spend 400 million on lobbying. They're buying farmland near military bases, taking pictures of our military installations. They flew a spy balloon over our country, taking snapshots of our missile launch site. But there are people, despite all of this, who have been convinced that the biggest threat we face is a country the size of New Jersey in the Middle East.

[Will Chamberlain]

This also happens to be our best ally on both AI and cybersecurity technology. Like, if I were. Like, honestly, if I were China. Like, if there's, if there is an American ally that I would want not to be an American ally anymore for my strategic purposes, it would be.

[Tim Pool]

This is. This is exactly it. Look, Israel's imperfect and you're allowed to criticize them again, I said a million times. So why is it that these, these Israel Derangement Syndrome people lie about what? My argument is, maybe it's algorithmic manipulation, makes people money when they lie about Israel.

[Ian Crossland]

And there might be an active AI army coming out of China that is botting these people making it.

[Tim Pool]

Always has been. We've Been tracking it since the 2010s,

[Ian Crossland]

redirecting it at Israel. Redirecting a lot of vitriol at Israel.

[Tim Pool]

They steal our IP, they attack our email infrastructure and our social media. TikTok was a weapon. That's why we effectively seized it.

[Will Chamberlain]

And TikTok was like super, super pro Palestine.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but, but you know, it wasn't always. It flipped over one weekend. We tracked the data and it looked like an algorithmic switch. Intentionally promoted anti Israel content.

[Carter Banks]

I think that's true, but even at the media machine, I don't think the Iran war is ever going to be popular with the American. I mean, Americans are like surgical.

[Tim Pool]

I'm not saying that. I'm saying if we as the American people wanted to get serious to stop an adversary who's been stealing our ip, buying up land, manipulating our politics, sending spies. We had a mayor in California who was a spy for China. We've got city members of Congress that are banging spies. The American people get serious about the threat that China poses to this country. The Thousand talents program, bribing politicians, bribing

[Will Chamberlain]

professors, all of this stuff, Fuchsias institutes at the university.

[Carter Banks]

But has the average American ever been able to articulate geopolitics at a high level? Anyway, I think if you polled Americans on Israel, apparently. Well, I mean, even then. Well, I would say that it's actually evidence that they have like, poor geopolitical instincts. And I'm not even like in Israel, I'm just making that point. But beyond that, I mean, if you did poll Americans, there's polling. They do say China is our biggest threat. But that doesn't really mean anything because ultimately, like, geopolitics is not massiest followers. I know, but I'm just saying that with the, you know, the average American they poll, it's like 60% say China's our biggest problem.

[Tim Pool]

My point is our adversaries want us off balance and they're succeeding. And I don't think the Trump administration has the sophistication to deal with this.

[Carter Banks]

I guess what I'm making the point is we can't underrate the retardation of like, the general public. And my point is, like, on the data center thing, like, everyone's like, this is clearly China trying to hamstring us on data on data centers. And I'm like, actually, all this, for the most part, as I'm seeing, is pretty organic. This does track with the American people. Whatever point you have on data centers, I don't think that's pushed by algorithms. I think people Just instinctually really hate this.

[Tim Pool]

I disagree. Because the Utah data center doesn't make sense that people are opposed to it. So if you're upset about a data center in Loudoun county that they're building near your home. Agreed. If you're upset that they're eminent domaining your land about a data center. Agreed. That sentiment is legitimate. If you start making videos where you're like, they're building a data center in the desert away from human beings. Now something feels weird.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, like people were, people were really angry about nuclear energy at the time. Like the majority of Americans hated nuclear energy at the time. And that was way before, like the mass media market that we're in now. I think it's like, Americans are really good and sometimes it's a good thing, but oftentimes it's a bad thing is they're really good at whipping themselves up into a frenzy over China.

[Ian Crossland]

The chuck doesn't have a great firewall across their Internet, so they go outside their firewall. They say, nuclear energy bad, data center's bad. Everyone get afraid and tell your government. And so the people in the United States are like, yeah, no nuclear, no

[Tim Pool]

data centers in inside. People have no idea they're building nuclear inside of China. They're building nuclear plants inside of the China. Their social media is be an astronaut, join the military, fight for your country. Your people are good. And in the United States, the media we get is be gay, don't have kids. And the biggest threat is one of your own allies.

[Carter Banks]

But China even has a problem putting a lid on a lot of social media. Like there was this, there's a video actually that was talking about the biggest post in WeChat history was this young man, and it was called like the lie down culture there. Where it's basically he's laying out how horrible, you know, they have the six day work week and he's like laying out how horrible, you know, the life is for the Chinese youth. And this is why Xi Jinping, he's come out multiple times and said like the biggest threat to China as he sees it as this lie down culture of like Chinese people being overworked and then they refuse to pay into the system, etc. Etc. And so like, I think even China has like more domestic issues than people give them credit for because this post went everywhere. And I mean, the Chinese, obviously, they tried to put a lid on it and that sort of thing. But I think we have this idea that China's like North Korea where everything is just like unified all the People there in lockstep. It's like they actually have quite a bit of, of domestic issues. It's just with the firewall, with the, you know, lack of journalism and also it's such a drastic different culture that we have a tough time kind of like, you know, breaking down the specific dynamics within China. I guess that would be one point. And my other point is I do think a lot of this stuff is organic, is domestic. I think Americans do oftentimes take wide positions just because they're popular. And I mean I don't blame like people. Some people actually like have really thought out coherent philosophy. I'm not going to say they're like paid by, by China. I think it's just coherent with typically like a lot of conservative principles values that people have where they're like no, we want to like turn back the clock on. They view like social media as a huge problem. So naturally they're going to be skeptical of AI Naturally they're going to be skeptical of data. Like I don't think that's necessarily, I'm sure it is a component, but I think I'm not downplaying the ability for Americans to mobilize and get really upset and mass.

[Ian Crossland]

It's like a short term fear. Because if you're afraid of data centers because they're going to destroy the environment and make your electricity bill go up, you might not realize that if China gets the data centers and they decide to attack the United States homeland with drone, nuclear drones, that's worse for our environment than data centers.

[Carter Banks]

But you can never like, but you can't articulate that to like the American people. Like that's so, that's so abstract that like no one's ever going to respond to that. That's kind of like. My point is like even if the media machine was like yes, China is the biggest thing, I don't think it actually changes that much on the ground because like the threats that we face from China, China are very abstract, they're not very tangible. Like you know, they'll say oh well, they're going to like knock out our electric grid. Well, people can't like comprehend what that means because we've never experienced it. We don't have that lived experience of understanding what that is. We only understand conventional warfare. So when they would come out with the whole Ukraine, Russia thing and they say, well Russia could like take over Europe. People understood that instantly because they've done that before. Like people know what that is, they know what the effects are, et cetera. And So I guess that's kind of my point is like, one, I think we overrated China's unit unity. And then B, I think we underrate the American people's ability to just take these positions organically.

[Tim Pool]

We're going to the uncensored. I'm sorry, we're going to go to the Rumble. Rants and super chats before the uncensored portion of the show. Smash the like button. Share the show. Get off my lawn says the Lodge Poker room in Austin has reopened. A couple days ago, a grand jury decided to toss out the case against them. Indeed. I've been following this. It's amazing news, and I'm glad to see it all worked out. But when you can't get a grand jury to indict, man, that case must have been real bad. So they, they seized assets. They accused of a bunch of crimes. And then a grand jury was like, yo, this is fake, and tossed it out. And the Lodge is back in business. Shout out to the Lodge poker room. One of the best, if not the best and biggest poker room. And then they. They also rated another card club in Houston recently. Like, flying drones around the building is pretty crazy. I think. Was it early?

[Ian Crossland]

Early today.

[Tim Pool]

I just lurk says the alien map starts in your rough location. It essentially shows you people who they caught and where near them. It's actually eye opening. Very interesting. Dylan with Rumble says Ian. We got to send the cows got shovel out that ish and milk them for methane. The cows will terraform Mars if we can get it.

[Ian Crossland]

First we got to do fish, but first we got to get the. Get it hot. So we need to plant daikon.

[Tim Pool]

Nah, let's just. Let's just literally send like a million cows to Mars.

[Ian Crossland]

Carcasses heat up the atmosphere.

[Tim Pool]

No. What do you mean explode?

[Ian Crossland]

Because it's low pressure.

[Tim Pool]

They'll. They'll evolve to eat each other.

[Ian Crossland]

Have you got to play Terraforming Mars at the board game? Because you do it step by step. You need to raise the temperature.

[Tim Pool]

You know, the problem with these board games is they're all just like, very complicated. Like, catan is not particularly complicated.

[Ian Crossland]

No, it's randomness. You roll dice. I don't like it though.

[Tim Pool]

It's fun.

[Ian Crossland]

Random.

[Tim Pool]

But Carcassonne, we have that out in the other room.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, similar randomness. Dude, you'll love Terraforming Mars because it's so much strategy. And you're not just.

[Tim Pool]

We tried to play it. We were just like nobody. Nobody wanted to learn how to play it. That's the Problem.

[Ian Crossland]

I got all the boxes.

[Tim Pool]

I just pulled them out of space. I know. And everyone sits down and they go, is going to take like 30 minutes to learn. Yeah. Put on. Put on a music video. So let's play pool.

[Ian Crossland]

That's because I have high intelligence.

[Tim Pool]

The issue is that regular people are like, I don't want to spend my day off learning how to play a board game. I'll play one time to learn it once. Oh, yeah, you only learn Magic the Gathering one time.

[Ian Crossland]

You can also get the video game on Steam. So I'm chewing almonds.

[Tim Pool]

Just play Mario.

[Ian Crossland]

Get turf on Steam, dude. You'll learn it real fast. It's awesome.

[Tim Pool]

All right. Brewmaster Monk says, if the aliens are real, then why hasn't Trump challenged them to a battle of the bands at Area 51? He could even film a reality TV show to form the American Band. He's leaving money on the table. There was a, you know, this disclosure day movies coming out, and Spielberg says it's all true. And then AOL wrote an article about how people think it's predictive programming, that they're releasing this movie to get people ready for aliens. And then there's this viral post on Reddit where a guy claims that he was. He's a whistleblower who worked for the US Government. And then he basically wrote like a sci fi screed where he said that when life emerged and, like, when humans evolved, aliens took early humans and brought them to a planet with alien technology to see how would humans develop with a planet of scarcity and a planet of abundance. And now bugs are coming, declaring war on the Galactic Council. And I'm just like, do people just not realize all of this is fake? He's like, these are not whistleblowers. You know, Bob Lazar just made it up. It's not real. You know what I mean?

[Ian Crossland]

Did that guy say they're gonna start a band of aliens? Because, yes, you should call it Alien Derangement Syndrome.

[Tim Pool]

Hey, there you go. That was the first thing the fallen 501st says. Wasn't GWB a fighter pilot? He was.

[Will Chamberlain]

He was indeed.

[Ian Crossland]

Good vision.

[Tim Pool]

Yep. Barry says Ian loves George Bush.

[Ian Crossland]

I do. That's why I criticize him so heavily.

[Will Chamberlain]

Respect that, Schnaj.

[Tim Pool]

Barry says Florida has gone after people saying threatening comments in social media, mainly anti Semitic comments, but nothing on people who make threatening comments to Trump, MAGA or politicians. F this. Yep.

[Will Chamberlain]

Who. Who they actually prosecuted. Oh, right. Exactly.

[Tim Pool]

Like, well, I mean, I'm not tracking the story.

[Will Chamberlain]

I mean, doesn't mean, I mean, if like. I mean, if They've made an actual 2 threat against a person and like, if you go out there and like communicate a death threat off against anybody, you're going to get prosecuted for that.

[Tim Pool]

I made a picture to trigger the Israel Derangement syndrome people. It is two white guys dragging rocks, being whipped by a Chinese soldier. All one says, at least it's not Israel.

[Ian Crossland]

Dude, there's so many problems on earth.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, I'm not Israel.

[Ian Crossland]

Religious extremism is a problem. Totalitarianism is a problem.

[Will Chamberlain]

Centralization of a. Yeah, I kind of want to. It's like a version of that libertarian meme or something, you know, like with, with like, it's the stone toss thing where the guy's got the gun, they've got the guns. The back of the guy said, I can't explain this meme off the top of my head.

[Carter Banks]

I know you're saying it's like they're the, the guns back at the head and they say, could you imagine if it was us on the other side?

[Will Chamberlain]

Right.

[Carter Banks]

Imagine if we were doing this. How they freak.

[Tim Pool]

All right, Raymond G. Stanley Jr. Says, if disclosure day is real, does that kill God? No. Because some people believe that the quote, unquote aliens are just demonstration entities, you

[Ian Crossland]

know, might change the shape of God in your mind.

[Tim Pool]

All right. Ramsey Stanley Jr says yes, Tim. We've all become too global caring. If we Americans solely concern ourselves with America, the world overall will improve More happy too, indeed. So what's wrong with globalization so long as it's American? Hegemonic globalization, right?

[Carter Banks]

Yeah. I mean, there's just like, this is. The thing is like, and I'm one of these people, like, it sounds like really nice, but the problem is so convoluted for one, like entitlement spending. I mean, like, as long as we're going to have half our budget going towards entitlement spending, you can't like remove yourself from the global system like that. We can't like absolve ourselves of being global guardian. And I hate that. But like, that's the third rail of politics. You're not going to change that.

[Tim Pool]

It seems like the Uni Party is mentality was we're gonna have a one world government through some kind of system and America will not be on top. And Trump said, no, we'll do that, but America will be on top.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah.

[Will Chamberlain]

And I mean, I think people underestimate, like, if we totally retreated into ourselves, that wouldn't just mean everybody else would leave us alone. And Let us do what we wanted. I mean, I've talked about this a lot, but you have to understand, I mean, China is a massive power and already has a lot of say about how other countries conduct their affairs. In a world where we totally would drew and decided not to exert our influence or use our power meaningfully, then basically anybody we'd want to do a deal with or anybody we'd want a favor from, they'd be like, well, I have to check with China first.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah. The way you have to look at it is like once you've initiated the boss fight, you can't like leave, you can't save the game and exit. It's like, yeah.

[Will Chamberlain]

And which countries that have given up their empires are better off for it?

[Carter Banks]

Yeah. Literally.

[Will Chamberlain]

Like, how's Portugal doing? You know, how's Spain doing? How's the United Kingdom doing? Japan and Germany, like, you know, you. Now sometimes you're forced into it because you lose a war, right? A major. A great power war or something. But the idea of voluntarily just retreating from the scene and assuming that things will be good, I mean, we benefit enormously from the dollar being the global reserve currency. Does that happen? We just withdraw into ourselves?

[Carter Banks]

Our entire economic system is predicated on this. So it's like, I agree with the sentiment. I wish things were that way. But in policy you have to be very pragmatic and like unraveling that. You would need like a dictator for 60 years to even begin unraveling, like how compleated the system is. And then to Will's point, is that even something that we even want when you like really think about it? Because again, like the British, the British basically dismantled their entire empire voluntarily and they're significantly worse off for it. And honestly, the rest of the world is worse off for it too. Like India was faring much, faring much better under British rule, so.

[Tim Pool]

And the best part was they stole the food and now we all get to enjoy chicken tikka masala, which was invented in Scotland, by the way.

[Ian Crossland]

I also adhere to the Roman tactic of dominating outside of your borders so that they don't fire intercontinental ballistic missiles at you.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, that's what we do.

[Ian Crossland]

It's hor. I didn't used to think like that, but it's just inevitable.

[Carter Banks]

That's what they call them.

[Tim Pool]

Clank. I can read this here from Randy. He says, greetings from Wyoming in keeping with Tim Castro tradition. Was that an autocorrect? We welcomed my first great grandchild early this morning. A good looking young lad. Cheers.

[Will Chamberlain]

Wow.

[Carter Banks]

Let's go.

[Ian Crossland]

Four generations. Give it up.

[Will Chamberlain]

Welcome to the multi generational Living is the best.

[Tim Pool]

You know what's crazy is there's this viral photo of like, it's like seven generations of women or some insane number. And it's just like every, every woman had a kid when she was like 18 or 19. So it's like great. You know, there's like the baby, then the mom, then the grandma, then the great grandma, then the great great grandma and the great, great, great grandma because they're all only like 18 years apart. So it's like great, great, great grandchild alive there, you know. Crazy.

[Ian Crossland]

Love it.

[Tim Pool]

That's how it used to be. That's how it used to be.

[Ian Crossland]

Maybe in the future with, you know, genetic therapy, you'll have, you'll be 190 and you'll be hanging out with your greatest grandchild.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. Or maybe you'll be hanging out in the uncensored portion of the show [e-mail] TimCastIRL coming up in about a minute or so. You can follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast. Will, do you want to shout anything out?

[Will Chamberlain]

Yeah, follow me on X. Will Chamberlain.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, follow me on X and Instagram @realtate Brown. And we got some interviews up on the Tate Brown Timcast channel from this week from our daily noon live show. So make sure you go check those out as well. And I'll see you guys Monday on that show live at noon on Rumble.

[Ian Crossland]

Follow me at Ian Crossland on Instagram where I'm putting up covers. I just did Ryan Adams to be Young. Love that song. And YouTube X Ian Crossland. Great conversation. Let's keep going. Carter Banks. Yeah, you can follow me at Carter Banks everywhere at Carter Banks. Official everywhere else.

[Tim Pool]

And also Dustin from Axe Wanted. I promised a shout out and an update on some music stuff tonight. So me and Ian are working on a few acoustic songs and also I've got one coming out and you can

[Ian Crossland]

pre order it now at alive or dead song.com them.

[Tim Pool]

Let's go. We'll see you all over at rumble. Com Timcast IRL right now. Thanks for hanging out.