YouTube Loses MASSIVE Lawsuit, This Will END Independent Media w/ Mike Benz

Summary

Timcast IRL Podcast Summary – March 26, 2026
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"YouTube Loses MASSIVE Lawsuit, This Will END Independent Media" w/ Mike Benz

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Episode Overview

In this powerhouse episode, Tim Pool and the Timcast IRL crew (Ian Crossland, Carter Banks) are joined by Mike Benz—renowned Internet free speech advocate—to break down the seismic legal decisions holding YouTube and Meta (Facebook) liable for their algorithms' harmful effects. The discussion delves into the implications for independent media, the possible end of Section 230 protections, and the broader trend toward corporate and state-controlled narratives. The show also takes its trademark detours into moon conspiracies, global politics, psyched countermeasures, AI-driven social media manipulation, UFO psyops, and viral online culture wars.

This summary skips all ads, intros, and outros to focus strictly on the episode’s rich and fast-moving content.

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Summary Table of Contents

1. Major Lawsuit: Algorithms & Liability (02:00, 07:48)
2. Section 230: The Death of Independent Media? (03:00, 07:48, 10:39)
3. Social Media Monetization, AI, and Global Manipulation (12:28, 18:12, 21:06)
4. Moon Missions, NASA, and Conspiracy Theories (25:16, 27:35, 34:34)
5. Weaponized Tech: Talking Plasma, Lasers, AI (53:17, 55:19, 56:20)
6. Aliens, Orbs, and Government Psyops (46:17, 47:49, 62:30, 62:53)
7. The Erica Kirk Culture War & Defamation Liability (87:09, 107:53, 119:45)
8. Toward Technocracy: AI, Censorship, and Power Games (80:39, 81:27, 82:05)
9. Notable Quotes
10. Key Timestamps

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1. Major Lawsuit: Algorithms & Liability

[02:00], [07:48]

• Key News: Jury finds Meta (Facebook/Instagram) and YouTube negligent for harm caused to a child because of their algorithmically driven content delivery; Meta is ordered to pay $3 million (70% responsibility), YouTube $3 million (30%).
• The core issue: Platforms are held liable not for the content but for the mechanism of delivery (i.e., algorithmic recommendation)—a legal shift with sweeping consequences.

"If YouTube is liable not for the content, but for the delivery mechanism itself, then there is no delivery mechanism they can have. That means content must just be without algorithm based on you subscribing, and that's what you get. Discovery has to be organic."
— Tim Pool [02:00]

• The New Mexico verdict fines Meta an additional $375 million for endangering kids.
• The case is the first of over 1,600 similar lawsuits.

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2. Section 230: The Death of Independent Media?

[03:00, 07:48, 10:39]

• Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act shields platforms from being held liable for third-party (user) content.
• Tim lays out the new threat: If platforms can't safely recommend or algorithmically promote content, independent creators could be silenced, replaced by vetted, mainstream, or corporate sources.
• Tim’s inside scoop: Media execs predict only "Peacock, Paramount, Netflix, Amazon Prime" and possibly YouTube (as a vetted entity) will survive.
• Platforms may require government IDs, strict approval processes, or paid placements as the only pathways to visibility.

"The idea that you or anyone else can start your own media business is over. And this lawsuit is step one."
— Tim Pool [08:33]

• The hosts worry this rewinds media to a pre-internet, tightly-controlled era.

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3. Social Media Monetization, AI, and Global Manipulation

[12:28, 18:12, 21:06]

• Discussion turns meta (pun intended): Monetization on X (Twitter) is suspected to be more about training AI models than about ad revenue (see Tim’s "conspiracy theory").
• Evidence of coordinated bot networks in India and Bangladesh exploiting reply-based monetization, flooding engagement and affecting payouts—“junk engagement.”
• Mike Benz details how high-capital funds use platforms like Grok to mine social media "word of mouth" chatter unavailable via other AI models for proprietary edge.
• The group explores how we're all (with or without consent) being used to teach AI to mimic human communication and correct itself via human engagement.
• X and other platforms now consider regional filtering, monetization limits for foreign audiences, and further guardrails—another form of algorithmic control.

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4. Moon Missions, NASA, and Conspiracy Theories

[25:16, 27:35, 34:34]

• NASA announces a $20 billion base on the moon—used as a springboard for discussing both the absurdity (satirized by Tim) and legitimacy of moon conspiracy theories.
• Ian and Tim joke about people believing in "firmaments", Kubrick staging, and alien/Nazi bases, while Mike Benz offers historical context on the dangers and technologies involved in manned moon missions.
• Mike gives a scientific deep dive on the North Atlantic Anomaly, the Van Allen belts, and the real, unsolved dangers of space radiation for humans.
• Discussion on innovations (memory foam, microchips, ICBM tech) that arose from the space race, and how military funding for “peaceful” uses provides cover for weapons development.

"A lot of people think we'll get to the era of plasma rifles or laser guns, which is never going to happen. Because the amount of energy you need... is massive."
— Tim Pool [59:49]

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5. Weaponized Tech: Talking Plasma, Lasers, AI

[53:17, 55:19, 56:20]

• Ian introduces "talking plasma"—tech that uses lasers to create balls of plasma which can transmit sound and even be used for non-lethal perimeter defense or psychological ops.
• Tim breaks down the now-defunct "laser-induced plasma channel" weapon ("lightning gun"), the science, and why energy requirements make such weapons impractical.
• Discussion dips into the "discombobulator", ULF crowd-control tech, and the broader trajectory of electromagnetic and psychological warfare.

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6. Aliens, Orbs, and Government Psyops

[46:17, 47:49, 62:30, 62:53]

• Viral UFO/alien vision claims: Chris Bledsoe's prophecy that "in April 2026, Israel and Iran will exchange missiles, and orbs will rise from the ocean." Tim connects this with current Middle East tensions and wild end-times speculation online.
• Tying in recent U.S. gov registration of "aliens.gov" and "alien.gov" domains.
• Mike Benz reveals a declassified CIA cable (1954) in which the agency explicitly suggests fabricating a flying-saucer story to distract from an anti-government coup plot in Guatemala.

  “If possible, fabricate big human interest story like flying saucers in remote area to take away play from the revelations...”
  — Mike Benz, referencing CIA cable [67:19]

• The episode makes clear: Governments have a well-documented history of using UFOs/aliens as psyops to distract the public from real scandals or covert operations.
• The Miami “mall alien” incident is dissected as a likely cover for a major, non-alien law enforcement operation—excessive police presence does not match the public story of “fireworks by teens”.

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7. The Erica Kirk Culture War & Defamation Liability

[87:09, 107:53, 119:45]

• The conversation pivots to the mass demonization of public figures (here, Erica Kirk, widow of Charlie Kirk) through viral misinformation, deepening political polarization, and the weaponization of defamation.
• Mike and Tim debate if/when YouTube and other platforms could be found liable for knowingly promoting defamation through their algorithms—especially when there are direct revenue-sharing agreements (e.g., Candace Owens’s content about Brigitte Macron).
• The upcoming end of Section 230 could mean platforms must gatekeep contributors, approve all content, and could rapidly pursue stricter ID verification and manual vetting—"the end of populist media".
• Mike notes an additional threat: not just defamation lawsuits, but government mandates for "middleware"—third-party, state-approved systems controlling what algorithms are allowed to promote, making platforms like YouTube just another cable TV channel.

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8. Toward Technocracy: AI, Censorship, and Power Games

[80:39, 81:27, 82:05]

• The group considers if the future is “corporatocracy vs. communism” or a third pathway—a Chinese-style "hybrid" where government monitors any sufficiently large company.
• "Technocracy" looms: AI as the possibly benevolent (but more likely manipulative) manager of public discourse, quietly nudging society while the powerful “float in bodysuits with force fields.”
• Mike warns of Western elites using leftist or communist regimes to impose government mandates that create new, highly-profitable capitalist markets (climate mandates, vaccines, clean energy).
• The upshot of current legal and technological directions: A tightly managed, surveilled, and monetized public sphere where free speech is an illusion.

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9. Notable Quotes and Moments

Media & Section 230:

• “The idea that you or anyone else can start your own media business is over. And this lawsuit is step one.” — Tim Pool [08:33]

• “I see this and I look at its potential for killing the sovereignty of the platforms for control over their own algorithm. That is because they're basically arguing that the algorithm is addictive…” — Mike Benz [119:51]

AI, Social Media, & Manipulation:

• “So the argument originally was... you're incentivizing engagement for AI model training... The AI knows what we've said, but not how we've replied or corrected it.” — Tim Pool [18:12–21:06]

Government Psyops:

• “In the height of a years long effort to topple a foreign government, the CIA presses to fabricate a story about aliens to take away play from the... military intelligence operation.” — Mike Benz [66:10–67:54]

Moon Landings & Progress:

• “I think the real theory… is the space graveyard. Alex Jones talked about it quite a bit. He said that the moon is an astronaut's graveyard.” — Tim Pool [29:07]

Algorithmic Censorship:

• “If they really want to eliminate independent media and gatekeep these channels… this is the perfect path to doing it.” — Tim Pool [118:06]

On Technocracy:

• "The goal is to have a singular artificial intelligence be the governing authority for everything. And it'll be perfect." — Tim Pool [81:27]
• "And you'll be happy and you will be happy and you'll own nothing." — Tim Pool / Mike Benz [82:05–82:07]

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10. Key Timestamps

| Time | Key Segment | |------:|:-------------------------------| | 02:00 | News: Jury fines Meta & YouTube for algorithmic harm | | 07:48 | Lawsuit implications; future of media | | 10:39 | “Peacock/Paramount model”: End of independent creators | | 12:28 | Monetization, bots, AI training on X (Twitter) | | 17:14 | Bot-driven engagement, spam monetization on social platforms | | 18:12 | Tim’s “conspiracy”: AI model training, not monetization | | 21:06 | Mike: Captcha as AI training, broader implications | | 25:16 | NASA’s Moon base, moon landing conspiracies | | 34:34 | Mike: Deep details on Van Allen belts/radiation problem | | 46:17 | Chris Bledsoe's “prophecy” about Israel, Iran, and orbs | | 47:49 | Discussion of comet, meteors, and eschatology | | 62:30 | Discussion of “talking plasma” weaponized tech | | 66:10 | Mike: CIA cable—UFO psyop proposal in 1954 | | 73:18 | “Mall aliens”: overblown police response as misdirection | | 87:09 | The mass online defamation of Erica Kirk | | 107:53 | Section 230’s new vulnerabilities—YouTube as publisher | | 119:45 | Mike: Algorithmic control, government oversight (“middleware”) | | 120:50 | Tim: NewsGuard attempted to “fact-check” his outlets’ content | | 123:29 | Q&A, social movement organizing, next steps |

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Conclusion: Is This the End for Independent Media?

Tim, Mike, and the team forecast a future where legal, algorithmic, and economic pressures endanger the freewheeling online media landscape. With courts beginning to hold platforms liable for what they algorithmically promote, and with Section 230 under attack, the risk is clear: open platforms become closed, ID-verified, and heavily gatekept, echoing the old “three broadcasters” model—only this time, it’s enforced by both state and algorithm. The continued merging of AI training, algorithmic manipulation, and government/elite psyops may sound dystopian, but as the episode demonstrates, it’s not a distant threat—it’s already here.

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For New Listeners:

This summary brings you the episode’s core arguments, the lively (and sometimes wild) digressions, and the urgent sense of media landscape transformation—all without ads or fluff. If you want a single key message, it’s this:

The end of Section 230 and algorithmic neutrality would mark the “end of independent media,” returning control to legacy gatekeepers—unless radical decentralization or new legal protections can emerge.

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Attribution note: All quotes are verbatim from the hosts/guests, with timestamps where available.

Transcript

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[Tim Pool]

This is it, boys. A landmark case against Metta and YouTube. Arguing that they are responsible for their algorithms and the addictive nature of these platforms. They've been. They've been. They've been ordered to pay $3 million in damages. Not only do we have this landmark case, but another fine issued in New Mexico for 375 million to Facebook over harm to children. Now, what does this mean? If YouTube is liable not for the content, but for the delivery mechanism itself, then there is no delivery mechanism they can have. That means content must just be without algorithm based on you subscribing, and that's what you get. Discovery has to be organic. Now, I don't know how this will play out, but we did just have a hearing on section 230 a week or so ago, and that is the protection that allows it or that shields these platforms from liability if a third party makes a comment on their platform. So let's say I say something like that. The AG in Virginia tried to kick a dog, right? He can't sue YouTube for it because I'm the one who said it. The truth is he actually did try to kick a dog. So I didn't make that up anyway. And the truth is an absolute defense. But what's interesting now is based on what we are seeing and arguments being made. So section 230 may get blown up, which is a component in ending the independent media space on social media and turning the clock back to a time when there were only a handful of channels and a handful of approved commentators. I think that's where we're gonna be going. So we'll talk about that. Plus, ladies and gentlemen, we are going to the moon. NASA has announced $20 billion to go to the moon, build a moon base. So we're gonna talk about that stuff. And then, yeah, I guess there's Iran war stuff. Allies are like, okay, Trump will help you. But I just. Who's who? So tired of talking about it. And it's kind of scary because it's war and there are weird prophecies about what's going to happen. A comet is about to graze the sun and explode. Most people haven't heard this. It's crazy. You might be able to actually see this in the sky early April. And then people are talking about this guy who claims he was abducted by aliens. And he said years ago. It's like 12 years ago, he said, in April of 2026, Israel and Iran will be firing missiles at each other and then orbs will rise from the ocean.

[Ian Crossland]

But not.

[Tim Pool]

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[Mike Benz]

Hello.

[Tim Pool]

Who are you? What do you do?

[Mike Benz]

I'm Mike Benz. I advocate for free speech on the Internet.

[Tim Pool]

I like free speech on the Internet. That's a good thing. Well, glad to have you. Actually, I will also mention you exposed a conspiracy against me. Yes, I think. What is it? The Atlantic Council.

[Mike Benz]

You were targeted by the Election Integrity Partnership, the Atlantic Council, the University of Washington, the Stanford Internet Observatory.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, it's worse than I thought.

[Mike Benz]

Africa. They did a whole presentation about how you were the origin point of a malinformation incident during the 2020 election cycle and they tracked.

[Tim Pool]

And it was about ballot harvesting.

[Mike Benz]

Right, it's about ballot harvesting.

[Tim Pool]

Which is completely true. Yes, that's crazy.

[Mike Benz]

But that's the thing about malinformation. It started off with disinformation and then they tried to distinguish miss and dis and they said, you know what happens when something is true and we can't even engineer a fake. Fact checked fact check. It's just true. But if people know this is true, they'll think this thing. We don't want them to think like if they know that there's a myocarditis risk because the CDC published a peer reviewed study on this or PubMed. Well, that's gonna be mal information. It's the same thing with like the ballot harvesting. Yes, it's true that it happened, but if you believe that it will lead you to think the election's not secure and so therefore you're contributing to the narrative.

[Tim Pool]

My whole point was ballot harvesting is largely legal. It's allowed. It's a strategy that should be utilized by Republicans. And they're like, o oh, he's figured out how he's going to help the Republicans win. Let's lie about it. Thanks for coming. That should be. This should be very interesting. We talk all about it. We got a lot hanging out, of course.

[Carter Banks]

What's up? Good evening everybody.

[Tim Pool]

Ian and Carter are hanging out as well. Greetings. Let's jump to this story from NBC News. Jury finds meta and YouTube negligent in landmark lawsuit on social media safety. The jurors award the plaintiff $3 million in damages, finding Meta 70% responsible for harm caused to her and YouTube responsible for 30%. They say that the LA County Superior Court jury said that Meta's and YouTube's negligence were a substantial factor in causing harm to the plaintiff. It awarded them the money. We know this. The trial began last month in LA county, which included testimony from Mark Zuckerberg and other tech executives, was the first in a consolidated group of cases brought against Meta and other companies by more than 1600 plaintiffs, including over 350 families and and over 250 school districts. Guys, what they're basically saying is that YouTube and Meta knew their platform was addictive and harmful to children. We also had this from TechCrunch just the other day, New Mexico just handed Meta its first courtroom defeat over child safety. And the rest of the country is watching. A jury in Santa Fe on Tuesday ordered meta to pay $375 million in civil penalties after finding the company misled consumers about the safety of its platforms and and endangered children. So where does this go? It's actually quite simple. If YouTube and Meta are responsible not for the content. Before the mechanism by which they are delivered, they'll have to delete the algorithms. I believe this is step one in overturning. Removing the independent media space, shutting it down. Where the future will go. Well, the first thing I'll say is I'm going to let you in on a secret. I've actually been in communication. It's not. I've told you guys this already a million times. I've been in contact with media companies executives, C suite guys at media companies who have outright told me the future is going to be Peacock Paramounts, it's going to be Netflix, Amazon Prime. YouTube will be there. But YouTube will effectively be like any one of these other companies. The idea that you or anyone else can start your own media business is over. And this lawsuit is step one. We had a hearing a week or so ago in, in Congress over Section 230. Nobody talked about it cuz it's kind of a tired issue. But the, the end result is going to be if you, you will, you'll, you'll Sign up to YouTube and you'll see I'll make an account and you'll submit for approval and you'll wait and they'll vet you and ask for your ID and say if we approve you, you can make content and then you will. And nobody will be able to see it because they won't be able to create any algorithmic delivery mechanism or only those who have the money to advertise and do paid placements will be seen. So everything that we think we know about the media space now, I think we're going back to a time when it was just a handful of broadcasters and the machine state is going to choose who is allowed to speak and who is not.

[Ian Crossland]

You might be able to install a setup like some video games have pay or like play to pay. Like you can pay 20 bucks a month or you can play the game to earn the currency in the game to pay the monthly fee. And if you could do that with like Internet, so either the rich could pay to promote their stuff or if you use the website enough, you generate enough internal activity that you can use that to pay for your advertisement and keep up with. So like the power users can keep up with the money men, that would be a possibility. Also I think decentralized tech and mesh networking, like now's the time to start really drilling that in because if we wait until they say you can't do it, it's going to be a lot more annoying than if we get it installed now and everyone controls their own media, uploads their own, has their own server on board and then people can follow them and cross network narratives and things like that.

[Carter Banks]

I think this case is really about how as a society we're struggling to deal with the impact of social media and how it affects not only our youth but even adults. And in this case there was some nine year old who was using all the social media apps and she blames them now for her mental health crisis that she has. She said she struggled with her self image as a result of beauty filters used on Instagram.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Carter Banks]

And I could understand how that like would affect young women. And it's also been a platform for kids to bully one another. And like I think there is something to be said about how the youth is affected by things like Endless scroll on a lot of these apps and other addictive features that exist. But we do need a way like the freedom that these apps have to exist. Like obviously she didn't use the terms and conditions correctly because she wasn't of age and she shouldn't have hypothetically been allowed on there. But then again it was very easy to bypass. I think we're struggling as a society with that issue. And also as far as this case goes though, I don't see a case in which they don't appeal this and it'll probably make its way up to the Supreme Court. Mike, maybe you have did.

[Tim Pool]

I was going to add just real quick, did you see that X has begun rolling out the region filter? I don't know if I haven't seen. I saw people talking about it. I don't know if it's actually been rolled out. Have you seen this?

[Mike Benz]

I think from what I saw, Elon replied to Nikita Beer, the product head saying that they're taking feedback under consideration. After some feedback and criticism of how that might that regional policy might impact monetization for folks by given like the point. Right. But there was. I think there's concern that the international audience may be disproportionately.

[Tim Pool]

Oh bro, I'm banning everybody.

[Mike Benz]

Newt. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

If you are in Bangladesh, you will never see another word from me nor will you be able to reply. I will be. I will disappear from existence.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, you can auto block different countries.

[Tim Pool]

So I've seen a few posts from people claiming they have the feature that it's. I've seen people claiming they have the dislike button. I haven't, I don't have that. But I saw a handful of posts from people and they were like it's A list of countries. It's like, who may see this post and you choose the countries where you want it to appear.

[Mike Benz]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know if that's real cuz I don't have it.

[Mike Benz]

Right. I don't know either. What I saw is Elon reply and say to a reply to Nikita saying this is disproportionately impacting. Like I'm a French person and I use this platform every day and it's a source of income, you know, because of the filters. This is basically, you know, going to have a disproportionately negative impact on me being outside the United States. And hear the following reasons and presented, you know, a pretty internally consistent, you know, argument about it. And Elon replied and said something like, thanks for the feedback. We're still considering this policy.

[Tim Pool]

There are a few issues to consider. I mean, if you're an American who's in another country, are you going to block that from seeing anything? That could be weird. But the problem I have is I do not want replies from Bangladeshis pretending to be Native Americans. That's not a joke. That's an actual thing that's been happening.

[Mike Benz]

There's a bunch of senators pretending to be Native Americans.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, that's also bad. But that's a one of one instance with the Bangladeshis, it's like a million times. And again, literally people uncovered when they rolled out the region identifier feature. Like probably dozens of Native American accounts saying things like white people stole our land, but it was Bangladeshis exploiting cultural issues. I mean, could you imagine, could you imagine, Mike, if there was like, say, a dude who was just tweeting incessantly about American politics, but he lived like, I don't know, in Malaysia or something?

[Mike Benz]

Don't drag me into this.

[Ian Crossland]

That'd be nice.

[Tim Pool]

I do this. Look, it's a, it's a reference to Ian Miles, John.

[Mike Benz]

But look, at the same time.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, so drag me into this. Okay, all right.

[Mike Benz]

At the same time, I'm an American who speaks prolifically about elections that happen in other countries. And I do this from an American perspective. But I am, you know, I have a platform. My. When I say something about what's happening in Hungary or what's happening in Spain or Germany, France, there are news headlines about it that will say, former State Department official Mike Benz, you know, you know, said this and that becomes a, like a story or ignites a scandal in a foreign country. And with the audience that I have, they can drive amplification and they could make the argument that these. This is like American outside interference through some like, you know, because foreigners in our region, in Hungary or France or Spain or Brazil or whatever, are impacting our own internal dialogue because of the size of the platform they have. And to me, I think that's fair game. There's no monetary contribution. It's not like there's a far registration type thing. The, you know, it's hard to be able to like have. I think there is something beautiful about the global nature of X. Yeah, I like it. We could see the Ayatollah tweets.

[Tim Pool]

I agree to an extent. It's a problem. I like how they're changing monetization. They said that they're going to reduce the amount of money you make off foreign countries. We have to. Because what's happened is there is a pool of money that is going into X ads and they were just basically like, based on the replies you get, the engagement you get, you'll get a share of ads. Now I have a conspiracy theory as to what that's really about, but put attack in that will come back. What happened was when this first launched, people who are on X at the time, who are really making content and posting things were making great money. Some people are getting like 20, 30k a month and they're not even a couple hundred thousand followers. Like, it's big, but they weren't like in the millions. But they made content. People engaged with.

[Ian Crossland]

Look at him eating whatever he wants,

[Tim Pool]

never gaining a pound.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, I'm stuck with the boring special and can't lose an ounce.

[Tim Pool]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Ian Crossland]

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[Tim Pool]

Today, the money started to go down. We found out that a bunch of people in India, again, not a joke, literally made a bu. Made accounts and would all reply to each other in mass and they would say, how is your day going? It's good. And they would just spam blast each other and. And then all of a sudden our money went down. And people like, this is why they're pulling from the pool, producing junk. So that needs to stop. But I will add this as an aside. I believe the monetization system on X has nothing to do with engagement monetization. I think it is incentivizing engagement for AI model training. And so the argument originally was you don't get money based on views of your tweets. Advertisements appear in the replies. So it's the, it's the engagement to your replies that will generate money because that's where the ads are. Right. Well, that also doesn't quite make a whole lot of sense as far as I'm concerned. And what I think actually happened is that Elon Musk bought Twitter because he wanted the fire hose, this stream of human consciousness of people just blasting out what they're doing. Excellent AI training data. Then he wants more data. So he says, monetary incentive. If people reply to you, I have a. I have a. I put out a tweet. We call them tweets. Buzzfeed included me in an article because their writer, Hannah, what's her name? Something. I don't know. She's retarded. And I made a joke, a very obvious joke. When the war with Iran started, I said, is there literally one reason why we shouldn't take over Iran? Or Canada for that matter, or Mexico, which is obviously a joke and everybody understands it's sarcasm. And she screen grabbed that, like, look at these MAGA idiots. Well, I tweeted, this is why we should repeal the 19th. Another joke. And the first reply was a bot, a very obvious AI bot with this long winded and saying like, you can't even. It was just a response where it was like she made an argument and you can't even respond with one. You insult her. Everyone deserves rights. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Here's the point. I believe these bots are part of the AI training. What does the AI know? It knows what we've said, but not how we've replied or corrected it. So right now on YouTube, something interesting is happening. A lot of AI content has stormed the platform and YouTube has begun asking people if the videos look like AI slop. And people are going, Yay. YouTube's gonna start deboosting AI slop. Wrong. They are using that to train VO. When an AI video is made, they say, is this slop? And when you put yes, it sends the data to Veo and says, this is bad. Don't do it. Fixing it. And then people will look at good videos and they'll say, not slop. And they'll say, this is good. It needs the human response to correct it. So on X you make a post, a robot responds, and the human goes, well, yeah. How dare you say that to me? And responds, providing insight beyond the first layer of human. Of human input, Second layer input.

[Mike Benz]

This is like the. The AI theory of Captcha, right?

[Tim Pool]

Like, it's real, though.

[Mike Benz]

You're actually is.

[Tim Pool]

Is a fact that's corroborate. Absolutely. 100. So the Google, you're training everything, you're training cars to drive. So recaptcha originally, like, the first iteration we saw was two words would appear and it would say, type in the two words to continue.

[Mike Benz]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

One word it already knew that was the key. The second word it did not know.

[Mike Benz]

That's funny.

[Tim Pool]

So the way it works, when you type in the first word correctly, it's assuming both words will be correct then. And by corroborating with it, with corroborating what it does know, it creates a strong data set to figure out what these other words are. And they were scans from books. The reason why they appeared bent and warped, it's because it was an image scan from a book. And we taught the AI how to

[Mike Benz]

read some ender's game show.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah. And so Captcha today, it'll say, it says, like, find the streetlights. And you're like, oh, the streetlights. This proves it. Yet you're training cars to drive. It's crazy.

[Ian Crossland]

I have a subscriber on Twitter that I think is an AI subscriber. It's my first one that keeps asking me to talk about graphene. Paying me money every month now. And like really wants to talk about graph. It's really weirdly written. It might be a human.

[Carter Banks]

That's your thing.

[Ian Crossland]

But it feels like it's an AI inciting me to talk about graphene. I'm like, is this a foreign op?

[Mike Benz]

What is this? I mean, look, if you were an industrial stakeholder in this. Because the other thing about the bots is that they.

[Tim Pool]

They're.

[Mike Benz]

They're there immediately with, like three paragraphs instantly. And like, you know, these, like, very cogent, but obviously, like slanted towards a particular thing. Like there's this one like X ray, like Democrats, like bot that like replies to like a third of my posts like immediately it's like the first one and it's like some systematic attempted takedown of like every point in it but like slanted towards the idea of like MAGA or scum. And this is. And it's like because it's first it

[Ian Crossland]

gets, you know how you can tell always more engagement. They use EM dashes a lot.

[Mike Benz]

Gives it away.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Yep.

[Mike Benz]

But the other thing, you know, I do actually. So I have a, I have a banker friend who I met up with for, for drinks in New York recently and the runs this kind of big portfolio for a fund and we're talking about our diet of AI. And he explained that for his work evaluating companies for potential investment he uses Claude OpenAI, Claude, chatgpt and Grok. And the person's a liberal, a good friend of mine since high school. And I said oh, that's interesting. You're using Grok you almost expect from a certain political background. And what he said is well explained why they use at that bank those or at that fund those different things. And he said, well GROK is the best for scooping up word of mouth and the social media chatter because oftentimes there are things that are not like ChatGPT is very good at just retrieving all of the different, you know, securities filings, you know, all their, their and mining that.

[Tim Pool]

It's really good at scolding you for being racist.

[Mike Benz]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

If that's what you're looking for.

[Mike Benz]

Right. But it's, but there's also lots of different internal things about a company or rumors that are not necessarily true but that are interesting for a potential investor to consider as a, as a liability or as an opportunity. And so it's so like sweeping the word on. I thought it was very interesting that for a high end, you know, a huge fund with lots of capital on the line that GROK provides a service specifically because it allows the mining of the chatter on X that is not really able to be easily mined by Claude or Chat GPT because they don't have the proprietary, they don't like the. I don't know if it's the API access or whatever it is that allows them to do the mass sweeping so

[Tim Pool]

well, should be interesting. But let's jump to this next story. We got this from NBC News NASA to spend $20 billion to build a base on the moon. Here we go, ladies and gentlemen. And what I really love about this is that it once and for all definitively proves we can go to the moon and that everybody who ever doubted this was completely wrong. And, and the moon is also real and there's no moon base there already, nor are there Nazis on the other side of it. And it's actually really easy to get there and we've always been there, in fact, and we're going back because it's not hard to do and it'll be really easy.

[Ian Crossland]

I think this proves that we've been to the moon and I think that's what Mike Benz was telling me before we went live. Actually, I don't know, maybe Mike can.

[Tim Pool]

He was telling me quite a great deal about how we've been to the moon.

[Ian Crossland]

I think he said he'd been to the moon.

[Tim Pool]

He said he was there and he said he actually met moon people.

[Ian Crossland]

He's a moon kind of guy. Yeah, he had a. He's in the moon fit tonight.

[Carter Banks]

In the, the, in the white. With the white. Tim's too.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, look at him. He wants nothing to do with this, Michael. Mike, what's the evidence that.

[Tim Pool]

Let me read the story for you first. Let me, let me read the story, Nancy. NASA is canceling plans to deploy a space station in lunar orbit and will instead use its components to construct a $20 billion base on the moon's surface of the next seven years, its new chief, Jared Isaacman said on Tuesday. Isaac Min, who was sworn in at the agency in December, made the announcement at the opening of a long day of a day long event at NASA's Washington headquarters. It should not really surprise anyone that we are pausing Gateway in its current form and focusing on infrastructure that supports sustained operations on the lunar service lunar surface. The lunar gateway station, largely already built with contractors Northrop, Grumman and Vantor, formerly Maxer, was meant to be a space station parked in a lunar orbit. Repurposing the craft for lunar surface base is not simple. Despite some of the very real hardware and schedule challenges, we can repurpose equipment and international partner commitments to support surface and other program objectives. Now, the truth is, my friends, we've never been to the moon and we can't go there because the firmament is in the way and Elon Musk is actually not trying to create satellites. The purpose of SpaceX is to create powerful weapons that will break through the firmament so we can escape and release the upper oceans. I'm kidding, by the way. But I do love the conspiracy theories about flat Earth and that how they believe NASA is like a satanic demonic organization that's lying about the shape of the earth to keep people confused, to cover up something, I guess. I don't know.

[Ian Crossland]

My whole life, I've thought we went to the moon for sure, no doubts. And then people started saying, hey, the moon landing's fake. I'm like, all right, maybe they recorded some fake footage. Mike just popped his head up and that. They used it to advance, you know, America's storyline in the space race during the Cold War. But still we went there. We just didn't get any footage. And I'm talking with Mike. I'm talking.

[Tim Pool]

What's that? We do have footage from there. What do you mean?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, yeah. Footage on the moon. You see him bouncing on the moon, and you're like, that must be real. And then Mike's like, okay. Talking about the radiation problems, about how these astronauts go up there. They get. Did you say that earlier?

[Tim Pool]

He didn't say anything. What are you talking about?

[Ian Crossland]

You gave me a few points before the show that we didn't talk about live, but do you. Okay. Do you want to talk about it?

[Carter Banks]

Nothing's off the record with the end.

[Ian Crossland]

So you say we.

[Mike Benz]

I'm gonna say it's news to me. You got to educate me.

[Ian Crossland]

We went through a quantum leap of technology between 67 and 69, bro.

[Tim Pool]

We went through a quantum leap from 1900 to 70. We figured out flight nearly 1900s. We're like, hey, I think I can fly. And then six years later, we're like, I'm going to the moon.

[Ian Crossland]

So the incapability in 67 to get there with what, is Apollo blowing up on the landing pad or something? Was that in 67? To them, literally, technically, walking on the moon, like, we've had a quantum leap in technology in the last two years with AI. Oh, yeah. So it's not to say it's impossible.

[Tim Pool]

I actually think it's entirely possible. In fact, the weirdest thing to me is that I think it's actually fairly rudimentary. Like, put a gig. Put it, like, make a rocket, blast people into space without, you know. You know, I think the real theory that. That is more interesting to me is the space graveyard. Alex Jones talked about it quite a bit.

[Ian Crossland]

He said that the moon is an astronaut's graveyard.

[Tim Pool]

I bet that's true. And we know about. You know, you've got. What's the guy's name? Gagarion. Was that the guy? The first guy in space? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Not Neil Armstrong?

[Tim Pool]

No, no.

[Ian Crossland]

Russian dude.

[Tim Pool]

The moon guy. Gary and whatever you want to look it up.

[Ian Crossland]

Gary Gygax, that's the guy who started.

[Tim Pool]

Not Gary Gygax, that's D D. But there's a theory that Yuri Gagarin was. That his name was not the first man in space. He's the first man to come back.

[Ian Crossland]

Yuri Gagarin.

[Tim Pool]

Gagarin, Garan.

[Ian Crossland]

First one to come back. And the other ones were just set up in secret.

[Tim Pool]

And if they other one, you mean like dozens. Because the argument is when we were like, okay, we're gonna go to space for the first time. Like, I'm not talking about moons. I'm talking about low orbit, right. Where we have satellites so they blast someone into space and then they're like, what happens when he gets there? We had a dog go up there before to chimp, and they pressed buttons. We'll see what happens. Yeah, I think it's fairly plausible that the first few humans ever set up an orbit, screwed up and went by, gone. And then with the moon missions, everyone's, you know, here's what I love. They're like, how did we get back? How did we get. How did we know how to have a return ship? And I'm like, because of the dozen dead astronauts who tried it the first time. Maybe that makes more sense to me, to be honest, is the story that

[Ian Crossland]

they landed the lunar module, they got out, they danced around, and then they got back in and the module took off and then attaches back to a ship in orbit, and then the module just fires back and the module takes them all the way home.

[Tim Pool]

Yep, indeed.

[Ian Crossland]

That aluminum. Little lightweight.

[Tim Pool]

Well, the gravity on the moon is very light, so it's easier to break lunar orbit than it is earth orbit. And then they're being pulled towards the Earth. So I actually, there's a lot of. There's a lot of theories about it. And my favorite is like, how did we lose the technology? And I'm like, bro, I. I had a binder full of first edition charizards 20 years ago, 25 years ago.

[Ian Crossland]

Still got mine.

[Tim Pool]

I wish I knew where that binder went. So when you're like, how did we do this? Or how do we do that? I'm like, you know, they had it on papers, they had the plans, they built, it got put in a box like it's a filing cabinet, right? And then an administration changes. New people come in the room, they don't know what's in that filing cabinet, and they don't care. Four years go by, a new administration comes in. Nobody knows where anything Is. Bro, these people don't even know what they had for breakfast yesterday.

[Ian Crossland]

The telemetry data. That's. You're talking about the telemetry data of like.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no. The technology for radiation shielding and things like that.

[Ian Crossland]

And it just disappeared after the.

[Tim Pool]

I think disappeared is a conspiratorial way to frame it. I think. Once again, I had a box of magic. The Gathering cards at the castle. I don't know what happened to them. I had these, like, maybe we know where they are. These like 2006 battle bond or something it was called. It was like booster packs and a. It was a pack of. It was a package with booster. I don't know.

[Ian Crossland]

What is it still? Are they unpackaged? I might have it. I'll look into it.

[Tim Pool]

There you go. I mean, maybe you've got them unopened boxes.

[Ian Crossland]

I'll check.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. No idea. And so people are like, how did we. How do we shield for radiation? I'm like, there's a bunch of ways you can do it. There's water shielding, which is. There was a. There was a diver got sucked into a nuclear power plant intake valve and was swimming in the pool. Fine. Because that's what we use water to shield for radiation.

[Ian Crossland]

I wish we had, like, an expert or somebody that knew something about.

[Tim Pool]

Well, we don't.

[Ian Crossland]

Sort of info about mold, maybe more being used inside the spaceships to prevent radiation.

[Tim Pool]

Here's the thing.

[Ian Crossland]

Cosmic radiation.

[Tim Pool]

There's. There's a million one reasons why the US Would want to fake going to the moon. And that's. That's the political thing that's easy to understand for most people. We're in a cold war. We're losing the space race. The Russians had everything that sputnik and that freaked people out. And so to terrify our enemies and make it look like we are bigger, we say we went to the moon and we do this Kubrick soundstage thing. But I. I think the challenge I see with it is you're asking me to. To. You're. You're arguing there's two conspiracies at the same time. You're arguing that this great leap to the moon or this great, great soundstage, cover up, planned mission, faked thing, both of them are extraordinary claims. So all I can do as someone who is not alive at the time is just default to what we know. And currently we have rockets, we have spaceships, we have shuttles, we have a space station, I would not be. Look, if you came to me and said, how did we get through the radiation belt. I'd say we, they died. Like that's why I think the space graveyard makes the most sense. We absolutely would try. And then if we couldn't, they just fry themselves and die.

[Ian Crossland]

Maybe if you like built the spacecraft out of gold, but then they're not reusable. It was a waste of gold. Because it's a superconductor, it might be able to help the radiation.

[Tim Pool]

Like.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, with water. Water would be a good one.

[Tim Pool]

Water shields, radiation, dude, water spacecrafts made

[Ian Crossland]

out of water would be the most amazing thing. Fluid spacecraft, dude, that's a Star Trek episode. But in 50 years we'll be talking about it.

[Tim Pool]

That's a Star Trek episode. In fact, they've theorized things like this already. There's an episode of Star Trek where they encounter some strange animal in outer space. It turns out it was an organically created spaceship. So it was made of organic materials, water. And I gotta go inside its body.

[Ian Crossland]

This is, this one's for you, Michael Benz. Okay, forget about the past. What's that? Do we have the technology today to go to the moon because they're saying they're going to, or is this just a big puff up, get people unified into a thing that they try and mess with us about?

[Mike Benz]

Well, you're gonna have a lot of military contractors making a lot of money. And I think part of the reason to spend $20 billion on it is that you're going to have a lot of R and D that comes out of this regardless of whether you end up with a moon base.

[Tim Pool]

Didn't we invent like there were a bunch of inventions made? I think like certain plastics were invented in the original space race.

[Mike Benz]

Yeah, there's just an incredible amount. I mean ICBM technology was, you know, had just an incredible amount of breakthroughs because you're, you're basically take, I mean the space program grew out of the icbm. I mean basically it's just a glorified ICBM with humans inside.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Mike Benz]

They're like, we're going to go to the human cannonball.

[Tim Pool]

Well, here's, here's, this is, this is probably the best arguments for the moon landing that we did not. Moon landing conspiracy theory is that you want to build ICBMs, you go to the public and say we need to spend at the time the equivalent of $200 billion on rockets. They go, what for? We, we want to put 12 nuclear warheads in the tip of each one, launch it into the stratosphere and then rain down hellfire, wiping out every Major city in Eastern Europe that threatens us. And people are going to go, oh my God, no. You go, we could go to Faith and go to the moon. And they're like, oh, that sounds fun. So they give you all the money, you build gigantic rockets and they go, yay. And what you're really doing is creating multiple independently targeted reentry vehicles, or MIRVs, which can launch into the stratosphere and then deploy eight to 12 warheads, one of which could wipe out the entire eastern US seaboard.

[Ian Crossland]

Nazis did that with their automobile program in the 30s. Everyone thought they were funding all these cars and they were really funding tanks. I wonder if the US government's doing that right now. Help us with our.

[Tim Pool]

Now real quick, back to the point you were making because I pulled this list up. Cordless power tools, memory foam, freeze dried food, water purification, scratch resistant lenses, space blankets, Mylar space blankets.

[Ian Crossland]

Wow.

[Tim Pool]

We use those for, for emergencies when people are having, like they're freezing or whatever or they're cold. You put a Mylar blanket on them. Wireless headsets, digital imaging sensors, integrated circuits and microchips, infrared ear thermometers. Wow. CAT scan, medical tech. The amount of things that were invented or advanced due to the space race, it's, it's, it's actually pretty crazy.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, we're looking now graphene with like cermet, you've got these like nanomaterials that can handle extremely high heats. So I bet they're amped to start testing this stuff in space. But I think, Mike, you were saying like drone sending drones is the way. Well, I don't know if you said this, but that we should be sending drones and not humans particularly.

[Mike Benz]

We've been doing that. Yeah. I mean if you think about this, you know, Bill Clinton had this funny thing in his biography about, about this that anyone, anyone can look up. But you know, the successive presidents since, since Bill Clinton have pledged to go back to the moon. Barack Obama had the famous Constellation program inherited from the Bush era, where the goal was to use this sort of Orion adjacent Orion constellation program. It was going to have a manned space flight at some point during the Obama administration. James Van Hoften, who was a International Space Station NASA astronaut, then retired and joined the National Academy of Sciences, penned a series of long memos to the incoming Obama administration cautioning him not to attempt to go back to the moon. Having just been on the International Space Station and serving for long periods there, they felt it was completely unsafe and anyone who attempted that the program would end in disaster. Any of the astronauts on board with the current technology and state of the program would die. And that we don't actually even have good scientific data on the exposure that astronauts would have on the way there. Because at that time in 2008, there were only approximately 12American scientists that were all in their 70s who even studied human biology. Space radiation issues due to a number of reasons. But he basically said we need to completely swap out this manned space flight program for a completely unmanned one and replace the humans with basically electro spectrometer devices to do this mass measurement so that we could actually know what we're up against on the way there. And he cited in particular that there's something called the North Atlantic Anomaly, which is the point at which the Van Allen belts start early because of the tilt of the Earth's axis. It's basically over Brazil to this point where, you know, typically the belts started around 300 miles above the Earth's surface. It starts about like 50 to 100 miles earlier over this particular section of the Earth. And they said we get shooting stars through our eyes every time we pass through the North Atlantic Anomaly. The shuttle itself, the space station itself has malfunctions during that period. So we need to shut off certain electronics. It's a unsafe period simply in low Earth orbit. And that's at the very, very, very tip of what is effectively a 65,000 mile traverse through that as it gets more and more intense. And it turned out that the readouts from that, which were a giant FOIA fight between the independent research community and the government data collected, showed that the data, the radiation levels were like 3,000 times higher than what I think the IA the. Was it the IA the IE9? Yeah. Not the IEI that the models had predicted. And that this has caused this dash to try to solve this Catch 22 issue that the giant paperweight program, we spent, I think $15 billion on this, the NASA version of the Dragon type thing, which never went anywhere after 15 years in development. So the biggest dud in human development history. But basically this has led towards trying to develop types of mold that would sort of. Tim's point, the idea is, so that you don't. Every time you add weight to the hull to protect the astronauts from radiation, you have to add more combustion power to the rockets to overcome the weight of the hull. But the more combustion you add to the rockets, the more destabilizing it is to the hull. So you need more weight added to stabilize the hull. And the idea is, well, if you can solve that by having Effectively a radiation eating mold that coats the interior of the craft. You would not need to deal with these huge high combustion engines that require an insane amount of coolant and shielding and all this. They're easier to control, they have less malfunction. But that's something that the Department of Energy has been working on for like 15 years now. And this actually flared up in 1968 when the Russians did the Zond 5 mission, which is what spurred us to pursue Apollo 8, which was the first traverse around the. This was basically Christmas 1968, before the 1969 Apollo 11 missions, where they orbited the moon but didn't land on it. And they read passages of Genesis and the Bible. It was a big American healing moment after the assassinations that were destabilizing the country in 1968. But at that time, the Soviets previously circumnavigated the moon with turtles on board. And so I think the thought process was, well, it's kind of safe to do it because turtles can. But turtles are what are known as extremophiles, radiation extremophiles. They have a very unique tolerance, off the charts, like a thousand orders of magnitude more than humans in terms of radiation tolerance. And in fact, there are some weird healing properties actually that radiation gives to turtles. And so there's sort of a unique. There's certain biological things, like some of these mold type organisms and turtles that have a very different experience with radiation than humans do.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, wow. I assume that's where actually Mutant Ninja Turtles come from. It's not that someone might have learned that fact. They're like, oh, I'm writing a story,

[Tim Pool]

actually have the original right behind me and no benefits for radiation. What. It was actually a satirical. It was. It was a play on Daredevil.

[Ian Crossland]

The.

[Tim Pool]

With he's. He's fighting the hand they have. The foot stick was his mentor, Splinter. You get it.

[Mike Benz]

There's another thing that I think is worth adding to this without getting into the substance of what happened in the Apollo program, which is NASA was always a spy agency. It was a civilian agency. It was a military and intelligence agency with a civilian front. It always was from day one. Just like the Department of Defense was originally the Department of War. And the renaming of it by the Trump administration sort of is not some new title. It's the title it had from the first meeting of Congress in 1979 until 1948, when the UN Declaration on Human Rights forbade territorial acquisition by military force. So if you wanted to take over a country, you had to Argue it's a defense mission to forward protect ourselves rather than a military occupation in pursuit of war. But NASA, the Trump administration, just last thing, the Trump administration, I think it was August 2025, formally classified NASA as a national security and intelligence organization rather than as a civilian organization. And so when you look at $20 billion in the context of these space wars happening right now because of satellite wars and the idea that war is now moving into space because of, because of that, that it's, it's kind of

[Tim Pool]

like how the NFL is sports entertainment and not a real sport that way. It's like wwe, but you think it's real.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, you see, really the NFL is considered sports entertainment.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, it's a big thing because everyone says the end of. I don't think, I don't think, I don't think football's real. I really don't. Like, I watched a bunch of these conspiracy videos on football being fake and I am convinced it's fake. Like I don't know enough about football to tell the name of the players, but there's one that happened like in 2022 where like a Ravens player could have tackled or like someone could have tackled the Ravens player and they like jumped towards him but then turn running away to make sure he made it and got the touchdown. Like, we know about the rigging scandals at the NBA too, but I don't know if it's true or not. I just believe it.

[Mike Benz]

Well, they're also a tax free non profit. Right?

[Tim Pool]

That's, that's the point.

[Mike Benz]

Right?

[Tim Pool]

Let's, let's jump to this next story and get crazy with it. We've got this tweet about this guy named Chris Bledsoe. So his story apparently is that he was abducted by aliens in 2007, but they gave him a vision when he came back to Earth. He knew we must hear of this vision. And in it he describes that in April of 2026. And I believe this is from like 12 years ago is what they say that Israel and Iran would be in a missile exchange and then orbs would rise from the oceans.

[Mike Benz]

What year was this?

[Tim Pool]

I'm so, my understanding is this interview is old. It's from like 12 years ago or something.

[Mike Benz]

It looks old.

[Tim Pool]

And I put this in writing to

[Ian Crossland]

the Pentagon in 2012.

[Tim Pool]

We're not told this. Okay, so this is not in 2012, but this was a while ago. One thing she told me was when you see Iran and Israel exchanging missiles, and I saw it the way she tells me is a vision of I see it like a living picture screen. I could see the rockets flying. Then all of a sudden orbs appeared out of the ocean and everywhere. Great. And I told the government that's if you this happens, the orb's going to appear and wake people up and stop it. That's what she told me. April 2026. And okay, you know, you've put yourself in it there, Chris.

[Ian Crossland]

There's going to be crisp Ledslow says April 2026 is when it all happens.

[Tim Pool]

But I can tell you this. When I told this to the government about 2026, I just repeated what she told me. So there's a bit more. And this guy's actually appeared in a bunch of other podcasts. I believe he was on Sean Ryan's show as well, more recently. I don't know the exact time of this, but there is some interesting stuff going on. A comet was recently discovered and it's going to slam into the sun on April 4th. So this is a sun grazing comet that could be visible to the naked eye during the day, but it's going to enter the corona of the sun and may be destroyed for all of us to see.

[Ian Crossland]

That's awesome.

[Mike Benz]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

There's also been a series of meteor strikes that people have noticed and I think there were five in the last week. So people are starting to. I'll put it like this. There are a lot of people who believe the end of times are going to come.

[Ian Crossland]

Look at him eating whatever he wants, never gaining a pound, while I'm stuck with the boring special and can't lose an ounce.

[Tim Pool]

How's your lunch, man? Amazing.

[Ian Crossland]

Yours?

[Tim Pool]

So good. Oh, I'm so happy for you. Cool, buddy.

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[Ian Crossland]

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[Tim Pool]

You know what I realized the hardest part about building a website isn't making it look good. It's getting what's in my head onto the page. But I've been playing with the new WIX Harmony editor and I'm impressed. You can literally just tell it what you want or if you're picky like me, jump in and move things around yourself. The nice part is you can hop between AI and hands on editing so you end up with a site that actually looks the way you pictured it. Try it out for [e-mail] harmony and there's been a million one predictions and they've never come true. So naturally, people are pulling up things like this and saying this proves it, especially with Netanyahu saying that he would that the messianic era will come, but not by next Thursday. People believe that this war is about bringing on the prophecy and the messianic era. And I will stress this, that we, we talked about this last week. We had a couple of amateur eschatologists on the on the Culture War podcast a few years ago. You're familiar with eschatology?

[Mike Benz]

No.

[Tim Pool]

Study of the end of times.

[Mike Benz]

Whoa.

[Tim Pool]

And this is in 2022 or 3. I. We bring these guys on and this one guy's remaining anonymous. You can't see his face as one of them know he is. And they said if Donald Trump, they said Trump may be the Antichrist, it may be Elon Musk, we're not sure. But one of them, if they're the Antichrist, will get some kind of injury to the right side of their face or head and their arm will be injured as well. And so, as the story goes, the Antichrist suffers what appears to be a fatal injury, but is miraculously healed. A false resurrection. And eventually his arm becomes withered for some reason. And now guess what everyone is saying. Donald Trump took a bolt to the side of the side of the head, seemingly a fatal strike, collapses, but rises up with blood on his face. An injury to the right side of his head that he miraculously healed from a few weeks later. The left said, it's impossible. He couldn't have been shot. His ear is totally healed. And Trump's hand right now has a growing bruise that he keeps trying to cover up and is getting bigger. And people are saying that is the withering. So there are all of these things happening where people are taking the red yarn and tying the little tax together to say, this is the end of times. And that's where this video kicks in, where people are like, April of 2026, Iran and Israel firing missiles. The orbs. At the same time, Donald Trump said he's gonna release the alien files and the government registered aliens.gov that proves it.

[Ian Crossland]

When we had Kash Patel on the show, I was like, we need aircraft that can go underwater like submarines, and then can take off out of the oceans and go into space. And he just, this is before he was in the government working. And he just looked at me and smiled. I'm like, I think we have that craft now. And I wonder if this, what's going to happen is Israel right Now the US is trying to keep the reins on Israel and they're trying to end this Iran thing and contain it if it goes to ballistics between Iran and Israel and they take it into their own hands that the US will unleash their orb fleet of plasma superheated plasma balls that they can fly around the planet and teleport sound through and move at light speed and just dominate the space with sound and light and command people to stop and things like that and speak to them and their tongue and all that crap.

[Mike Benz]

I'm hoping the orbs are not the mines that are undergirding the Hormuz Strait right now. But you know, I happen to think that this is a Pentagon planted story in that they know this sun grazing thing, that there's a comet about to fly into the sun. I think they know that one of the Patriot missiles got way off course. They're trying to get ahead of the story. They're like shit, we fired this thing so far off course, this thing's flying into the friggin sun.

[Ian Crossland]

A comet, hot air balloon.

[Tim Pool]

Have you guys seen those weird patterns in the sky and they're like, oh, it's a missile, let me see if I can pull that one up.

[Carter Banks]

I've seen weird, weird patterns in the sky and I've been told they're chemtrails.

[Ian Crossland]

When I've said orbs, I mean talking plasma. I don't know if you guys are super familiar with talking plasma, the technology they'll triangulate.

[Mike Benz]

Are you super familiar with.

[Tim Pool]

It's right here, check it out. But yeah, this right here. You guys remember when this happened, Norway residents got front row seats to a bizarre light show. A giant, giant spiral with a green blue beam of light. They said it's just, it's a rocket going forward and it was spinning, creating a trail of smoke. And that smoke slowly started to dissipate and spread out and that's why it looks all crazy.

[Ian Crossland]

Whoa, that's awesome.

[Tim Pool]

It's a portal. It's a wormhole. And the aliens arrived. And what's actually happening is they're coming through the wormhole where the light in the center is and the vehicles at the tip of the blue smoke. Because the smoke is the propulsion system as it comes through. If we, and that's how you travel faster than light.

[Mike Benz]

He wants to talk about the talking plasma. Yeah, if we.

[Ian Crossland]

So if we really go balls deep into the talking plasma era and we, we, we turn our weapons into light based weapons or plasma based weapons and there are aliens that are communicating with us from long range frequency. They might be able to hack our weapons systems and turn them against us.

[Tim Pool]

It was nothing to do with talking plasma.

[Ian Crossland]

Communicate to us talking plasma. Maybe that's how we interpret.

[Tim Pool]

Are you familiar with talking plasma?

[Mike Benz]

Everyone keeps asking me this.

[Ian Crossland]

It's. Were you triangular lasers from a base station?

[Tim Pool]

Right. But you, you can take two lasers, point them at each other, and the point at what they intersect can cause vibrations in the air and generate sound. So they can take two lasers in three dimensional space and move a dot next to your ear and you will hear as though someone is standing next to you. They can move beyond this by combining multiple lasers in a grid. You can make images. So the lasers refract on each other when they, when they hit each other. And you can make a hologram floating. This is actually fairly rudimentary, to be completely honest. This is like 20 year old tech where you just have laser pointers on like actuators or whatever and you can move a stick and when they hit each other they make a square in space.

[Ian Crossland]

That's whenever they say, how does that craft moving so fast it goes up and down like it's pla. It's likely plasma showing up on radar or aliens.

[Tim Pool]

But Ian's theory is that these UFOs we're seeing are actually a light trick where on the ground they have powerful lasers pointing up, creating a. The reason they're orbs is because it's the easiest shape to make. You only need two lasers to create a giant refraction point and then it can move as if it's, you know, like without friction.

[Mike Benz]

So in theory, could we just paint the skies of North Korea with like a propaganda light show and like you can make aliens Voice of America talk over? Yes, just by having like satellites beam lasers to create these talking plasma events over the sky.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I think, I think the issue is with, with talking plasma, the range is not particularly good. Here's a, here's a video.

[Unknown Tech Expert]

An early weapon that can make laser plasma balls talk.

[Mike Benz]

Stop.

[Tim Pool]

Or we will be.

[Unknown Tech Expert]

It's called the laser induced plasma effect and it's made by the joint Non lethal weapons Directorate. So what they've done is basically created a laser that can shoot out to a certain distance and they can pipe in sound waves through it and actually make human voice sounds and commands. Now where this becomes useful is around an area where you want to keep a perimeter secure. So essentially you can shoot out this laser. You can then talk to the people on the edge of the perimeter rather than Sending troops out there and tell them to get away or you're going to shoot or get away or they're going to use other means to deter them. And that same laser can be used to actually target the individual and create heat through pinpricks like microscopic pinpricks in their skin. Even beneath clothing. It's extremely uncomfortable and people move out of the way almost immediately. At the same time, the exact same laser is also being used as kind of six years ago, a never ending flashbang grenade. They can basically with a caught with a power source, it can constantly.

[Tim Pool]

One of my favorite, one of my favorite things is no, this comboulator is probably ultra low frequency tech. We've the conspiracy theorists have talked about ULF technology. Back in Iraq there was an old conspiracy urban legend of call it that. While in Iraq, our researchers deployed a ULF generator, ultra low frequency and experimented it on small villages. I don't know if this is true or not, but they claimed that you put this thing on the ground and it pulses frequencies that are ultra low vibrations that cause people to vomit. And they put it on the ground and then all the people in the small village keeled over and started throwing up and getting real sick. That might be the discombobulator, but I do want to add one of my favorite pieces of abandoned technology is something called the laser induced plasma channel. You know what this is? It's a lightning gun. Picatinny Air Force base developed this weapon Zeus. They were trying to figure out there is some dude sitting at a table and they're talking about like what should we work on? And some guy goes, you know what I always wondered like, you know, I'm sitting here and I want to strike that guy with lightning. Why can't I do it? And they said we'll figure that out. So what you do is you superheat the the air with an infrared. With a high powered infrared laser creating a plasma channel. The superheated of the air makes a point. It makes it a path that electricity can travel through. So they get this gigantic electrode supercharged. What happens? It strikes the ground. It's trying to, you know the nearest point when you fire for a split second an infrared laser straight. The path of least resistance becomes the superheated air channel. Yeah, the plasma channel. Then when the electrode charges, it's simultaneous. It strikes whatever point it's pointed at with electricity. They found it to be unpredictable and unwieldy. So they eventually abandoned it. But I'm gonna go ahead video on

[Mike Benz]

YouTube where we can like see the lightning gun.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm trying to find action.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, bro. Laser induced plasma channels. You can make it at home.

[Ian Crossland]

I think we need to build a big one.

[Tim Pool]

Whether you want to make a big one.

[Ian Crossland]

Shoot hydrogen into the sun to keep it charged.

[Tim Pool]

The electro laser. Do we need a. Let's see.

[Ian Crossland]

If I don't feel the sun, it'll expand and explode. So we need to keep fueling.

[Tim Pool]

Here's the famous photo from Picatinny that I don't think there's a video of. Let me see if I can. This is the photo that they published when they were experimenting with it. There are videos of the laser induced plasma channel, but they're tiny ones. And what people do is they'll make like you take two electrodes and a laser and it just makes like what looks like a static orb shock jump in between. So if you. If you have enough juice. That's the problem. It takes a ton of energy. What the reason why we're never gonna have laser weapons. The easiest reason. I want to shout out Venture Brothers. There's a. Have you ever seen Venture Brothers?

[Mike Benz]

No. I thought this was like a laser sponsor of the show. I thought that.

[Tim Pool]

So there's a show called Venture Bros.

[Ian Crossland]

It's kind of old fantastic.

[Tim Pool]

And it's a parody of like superhero and Johnny Quest. And there's this really funny scene where the main character is this like government scientist who makes a bunch of crazy stuff. But it's kind of. It's. It's very. Meant to be like realistic and dysfunctional. And so he's selling off. He's doing a yard sale. And. And one of the. What? The super villain has a henchman who's a nerd. And he shows up and he sees. He's like, is this what I think it is? And it's a lightsaber. And he presses the button, goes. And then he's like, oh. And he wants it. And then he's like, how much for this? And then the scientist goes, oh, I don't know. I made it for the military. But they said we don't sword fight anymore. Which is an amazing point with all the people who think lightsabers would be a great weapon because the military would be like, we don't sword fight anymore.

[Mike Benz]

We.

[Tim Pool]

What do I need this for? So a lot of people think we'll get to the era of like plasma rifles or laser guns, which is never going to happen. Because the amount of energy you need to make a directed energy weapon is massive. And the amount of energy you need to fling A small piece of lead at a person is very, very tiny. So when you're actually talking about you want a guy to carry a gigantic backpack with batteries on it so he can blast you with an infrared laser, which will burn your skin, or you can take this tiny little bit of powder.

[Mike Benz]

This rock.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, exactly. And whack.

[Ian Crossland]

You need both. They'll have shields that block the lasers, and then they'll have armor that blocks the ballistic. I think you just need power source, like fusion packs.

[Carter Banks]

I just.

[Ian Crossland]

I've never seen any evidence that they.

[Tim Pool]

No, there's no. But listen, the point. Ultimately, even with fusion packs, we're talking about a tiny little bit of. Of. Of stored energy in the black, in the. In the smokeless powder. Tiny little bit. You don't got to carry that much. And I can send a chunk of, you know, fully, like a full metal jacket or, you know, whatever kind of round you want flying at 3,500ft per second.

[Ian Crossland]

I guess we use a rail gun in space because there's no oxygen to combust or we'll need to keep the oxygen on board. But rail guns, we can just fling bullets, like with magnets.

[Tim Pool]

Oh. And I don't even know if we have to do that, to be honest. I mean, you could put, like, little rockets would just rip through any vessel in outer space. If we actually had space warfare, it would be nightmarish. There's no shields. One rocket would just rip through the ship, and everyone in. It's dead.

[Mike Benz]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

It's super vulnerable.

[Tim Pool]

You know, I gotta shout this out, though. Remember when Space Force was launched?

[Mike Benz]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And then they had pictures of people wearing, like, standard uniforms. Like, like jungle camo.

[Mike Benz]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And all the libs, all the liberals got mad and they were like, trump is so dumb. He made jungle camo for outer space. And then someone was like, here's what a space uniform for Space Force should actually look like. And it's a uniform that looked like space and stars.

[Mike Benz]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And then people had to inform them. Space Force is not, for one, sending people in spaceships to go fight in space. Two, don't expect those people to be free floating around in space without spaceships. And three, Space Force is ground operations for weapons in outer space. But that's liberals for you. What do you expect?

[Ian Crossland]

When we were talking about the talking plasma, you played it earlier, he said that you can make a ball of it and then transmit sound through it, or you can point it at someone and burn their skin. I was visualizing one of your squad members will be a being of light. He will be a plasma human. He will be, I am here with you. Let's go. And he'll be running alongside you and then he'll just jump inside an enemy and the enemy will get fried by him because he's the plasma. And then the guy will fall down and then he'll reappear and like, let's go. It's gonna happen.

[Mike Benz]

Can I ask, when did the government register aliens.gov? you mentioned that in passing.

[Tim Pool]

You didn't know that story?

[Mike Benz]

No. A week ago. Was it a week ago?

[Tim Pool]

That's when I heard the story.

[Mike Benz]

The war, of course.

[Tim Pool]

Of course.

[Mike Benz]

That's fascinating.

[Tim Pool]

And the first joke was, are they actually talking about illegal aliens or are they talking about aliens?

[Carter Banks]

Yes.

[Ian Crossland]

Is this aliens real legit government silent go.

[Mike Benz]

Do you guys know?

[Tim Pool]

Let's put up real quick. We'll talk about it. This is from Defense Scoop. White House registers new alien related.gov domains as DoD tackles Trump's disclosure directive. So this is alien and aliens.gov and it's coming at a time Trump said he was going to release files on UFOs. Now, our understanding is that the websites are for self reporting for individuals who witness UFO or ufa, UAP phenomena to submit that story so they can track it. Guys, there was a story that I covered about a UFO somewhere in like Florida or whatever. And you knew that the news organization desperately wanted to pretend it was true because in the story they say, like, witness says they saw ufo, strange occurrences. A man was a pilot for the Air Force and he saw these strange vehicles flying through the air. At the very bottom of the story, it was like the event took place 70 miles from the advanced aerospace weapons research lab for the Navy. And I'm like, you knew that the whole time and you wanted to frame it as though it was aliens when the whole time you knew it was advanced US Military technology. Thank you and have a nice day.

[Ian Crossland]

That's my question.

[Tim Pool]

My point real quick is the real purpose ofAlien and Aliens.gov is to try and track what people are seeing. As for it's twofold. When we experiment with new weapons, did anybody witness it? Tell us, what did you see? Well, guess what? Then the men in black show up and say, you didn't see anything. Or if we've got stealth technology or we've got, we're trying to do camouflage or perhaps cloaking technology. Did you see anything?

[Ian Crossland]

And if an enemy flies a flies a drone and that gets reported to be like, this is not one of ours.

[Tim Pool]

Remember the drones over Jersey Yeah, dude, I think, I think it's true.

[Carter Banks]

Where Marco Rubio and Secretary Hexseth were staying there.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, that's right. That's right.

[Carter Banks]

Very recently.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. That means it's aliens. That proves it.

[Carter Banks]

For different military bases.

[Ian Crossland]

Are they gonna run an alien psyop on us?

[Tim Pool]

They're trying to get us. I'm looking, I'm.

[Mike Benz]

I have a search running for a particular CIA cable that I just thought was funny. And you saying that this was done a week ago is just hilarious.

[Tim Pool]

This is March 18th, one week ago.

[Mike Benz]

That's so crazy. Are you guys familiar with this 1954 CIA cable? It was. Yeah, I have it pulled up here. It's called Telegram from Operation P.B. success headquarters in Florida to CIA stations in Guatemala, January 30, 1954. And there's a key line in this CIA cable. The context is the CIA had a plot to overthrow the government and the government found out about it and was beginning to saturate the state owned radio stations with revelations of this CIA plot. And the CIA cable has this key line, if possible, fabricate big human interest story like flying saucers in remote area to take away play from the revelations of this potentially busted CIA plot. And so I thought that was. Yeah, here it is on state.gov, history.state.gov official US government website. I can text you this link if you want to put it on screen.

[Tim Pool]

I wouldn't be able to pull it up from my phone.

[Mike Benz]

Well, this is it if you want to just search those terms right there.

[Tim Pool]

Telegram from Operation PB Success.

[Mike Benz]

And this is. So this is effectively in the height of a years long effort to topple a foreign government. The CIA presses to fabricate a story about aliens to take away play from the potentially comp. The complications in an in process military intelligence operation. I'm not saying that's what's happening here. I just think it's very funny that like, if you like if you run a control F for flying saucers, like you'll, you'll see or I'm sorry for. This is it should be. Nope. Well, I think you have, you have a different one. This, this one. So this is, it's, it's not the right one. Say 89.

[Tim Pool]

Not, not 89.

[Mike Benz]

Yeah, there's. It's 80. If you, if you just put that in, you have 186 up there. There you go. Yeah, Type in like saucer or something.

[Tim Pool]

Oh yeah, look at that. So fabricate big human interest story like flying saucers and birth, sex, tuplets Right?

[Mike Benz]

And you'll see it says, paper must be read in light, you know, with razzle dazzle preceding the Organization of American States. So basically what they're saying is, and if you read the context of this basically directive for the CIA's media assets to make a big stink about these crazy human interest stories, it's specifically to take away airplay and distract the population

[Ian Crossland]

from

[Mike Benz]

the other revelations in the news,

[Ian Crossland]

like the 10 Marines that got killed.

[Tim Pool]

So the war is happening whenever. Whenever they announce aliens were like, all right, what's going on in the news? Like, when. Whenever Hunter Biden was caught with something, aliens would pop up, right? It's like, we get it, dude.

[Ian Crossland]

Did they botch this Iranian thing, like,

[Tim Pool]

off the charts,

[Ian Crossland]

in your opinion? If you were to have one?

[Mike Benz]

What. What's happening?

[Ian Crossland]

You know too much about it that you can't functionally answer. I won't. I won't press you on, like, things, you know, deep.

[Mike Benz]

No, I was only asking about the timing of the aliens.gov registration. Just. I think these things are funny. There is a curious thing happening. I know Tim Burchett has been making noise about this, that evidently there are these five disappeared scientists, I think, three of whom testified to Congress, who were on this. But have you ever seen the movie? There's a documentary called Mirage Men. I think it came out in 2014, based on this book. And it's a fascinating story about the kind of psyops that are deployed by the military to try to fabricate stories of aliens in order to do the same thing that the CIA cable said to take away play from what is genuine military technology. So it tells the story effectively. In particular, it follows this scientist who was a military contractor who was very successful, very well to do, longtime military government contractor who owned basically a residential estate with acres of land that abutted against a US Military base, I believe in New Mexico or Nevada. And because the person worked on this complex military equipment and had all these measuring devices and the like, his measuring devices would pick up on what was happening inadvertently on the Air Force base. And as there were various new kind of technologies for drones and for, you know, flying military aircraft that were being developed, he began to notice this, pick up on it, and begin to tell people in the local press about what he was finding. At that point, Air Force Counterintelligence, the CIA, and the NSA basically created a descendant on him and created basically a Truman show around his whole life.

[Tim Pool]

You mean like gang stalking?

[Mike Benz]

Well, yeah, they literally did that at one point. They broke into his home so they bought like all the land around him so that they could like survey 247 like everything he was doing and picking up on. They broke into his home, they replaced his hard drive and had it like read out like decipherable messages with these alien noises. And then introduced these people who were to be his like colleagues and like co contractors, not knowing they were undercover feds to convince him.

[Tim Pool]

This is literal gang stalking. You know gang stalking is right, yeah, yeah.

[Mike Benz]

But this is like military grade.

[Tim Pool]

Well, that's what gang stalking is. Allegedly people claim that the government is doing exactly as you describe, that the people they're working with are actually undercover and it's for some spying operation or manipulation.

[Mike Benz]

Right, well, but the justification is national security. That basically if this guy tells the press, then the Russians are going to know, the Chinese are going to know, they're going to be onto what we're doing. Americans will get killed. But we can't prosecute him for this, we can't kill him for this. So all we can do is try to basically nudge within the bounds of whatever we can do, pushing our predicate of national security, the kind of operational security operation to limit the disc. The what? Basically public disclosure of a non public classified project. And I think that's what a lot of these are.

[Tim Pool]

Do you guys remember the Bayside Marketplace? Aliens?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. Is it the mall one?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. So this, this was 2024 and Internet went wild because you've got these crazy videos. Look at all of these cops. And they said it was cuz kids were setting off fireworks or something. Right. Ten people claimed to have seen three unusually tall, nine to ten foot tall thin figures exiting a clothing store from the mall during a large police response. Widespread speculation about aliens. Now the thing is, people were like, bro, when have they ever dep. I'm, I'm going to say it right now. You really think they're deploying that many police because some teenagers lit off fireworks? Bro, I'm watching videos of like 300 teenagers smashing cars and rampaging through department stores, stealing stuff. And they don't get arrested and they don't go to jail. That's why everybody was like, this is weird. Because they're like, oh, it's a bunch of teenagers running through a mall. Fireworks. I'm like, BS dude.

[Ian Crossland]

Did they.

[Tim Pool]

I'm not saying aliens happen, but I'm like, that story don't make no sense.

[Ian Crossland]

Did anyone identify the tall creatures or get photos or documents of that?

[Tim Pool]

That's the crazy thing, there's no photos of it. This is another thing people said was crazy. This small thing happens. Everyone's running and screaming. No one filmed anything, bro. I got a video of a lady trying to order a chicken sandwich, punching the lady behind the counter. And you mean to tell me that when cops showed up and everyone's screaming, no one filmed? We got. We got footage from the war zone. We got footage from both sides of the war zone. We got. We got Hamas with cameras and we got people in the IDF with cameras. And ball footage exists on the Internet. And they. No one filmed.

[Ian Crossland]

They were all wearing body cams, so they should have body cam footage. Footage like the Axios stuff.

[Tim Pool]

They said that. Local authorities respond to a report of teenagers fighting and fireworks at the mall. The scale. Stranger things, right?

[Mike Benz]

Like the mall scene in Stranger Things.

[Tim Pool]

The scale of the police response became part of the wider narrative about alleged sightings, with some claimants asserting the size of law enforcement could not be explained solely. It's not even a joke, dude. Are you kidding me? What do you think would happen if you were at the mall and you reported a handful of teenagers fireworks? You think you're going to send out 50 squad cars?

[Mike Benz]

I know Miami doesn't fuck around. I mean, they like, banned spring breakers from coming there now.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Actually, you made a point the other direction. We've got video footage from Daytona of kids running rampant through the streets and fighting. And then they said, we're not going to allow this. But you mean to tell me that Miami, they were like, send out 50 squad cars because teenagers are fighting at the mall. So here's. Here's what they said.

[Mike Benz]

I just stand Miami because it's. It's like an unbelievable.

[Tim Pool]

So look. January. January 1st. Initial calls to local authorities reported disturbance in the mall involving teenagers fighting. Multiple individuals began posting accounts on social media describing three tall, slender figures exiting a clothing store. Reported Heights range between 9, 10ft. Witnesses described the creatures having elongated limbs and humanoid silhouette. Some described unusual skin tones. According to several witness statements. News of the figures rapidly sped spread throughout the mall, leading to panic as shoppers tried to exit. The Miami Police Department publicly stated the primary incident involved teenagers causing a disturbance and that there was no evidence supporting an extraterrestrial encounter. Not fine. That may be, but again, if there was a shooting, you'd not have that many police.

[Mike Benz]

We need a remix of that leprechauns video. You know that?

[Ian Crossland]

No, which one?

[Mike Benz]

You know the. Where the. The urban folks are asked by, like, local.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, they're like, up In a. She's up in a tree.

[Tim Pool]

Like, there's a leprechaun up there.

[Mike Benz]

Yeah, you sound like leprechaun. It's like. And we need that for. It's like, because, you know, I would expect that. That these multiple witnesses. I would like to see their personal testimony, you know, where. Who. What local news reporters they talk to. Like, did they. No one recorded their testimony or went on. I mean, there's 24.

[Tim Pool]

Nobody filmed in the mall. Like, the issue is, they didn't film.

[Mike Benz]

They could be. They could, like, jump on TikTok, this is 2024, and say, like, yo, I just saw nine.

[Tim Pool]

Anybody do that? This is. This is what. What's weird about is not that people lie. And the people were like, I saw aliens. I'm like, whatever, man. Whatever. The bigger issue I have is this police response makes no sense for teenagers fighting. And why didn't anyone film anything? Yeah, like, I'm gonna say it again. I watched a video. There's a video of a guy fighting in a chicken restaurant. He, like, smacks a woman, and their son shoots the guy. Like, this is going viral, bro. There are so many fight videos. I watched a video of a woman in Ireland, and she screams a guy, and she smacks him, and he punches her. If. If. If. As soon as I. A woman on a plane is being kicked off during spring break, and she smacks a person's phone. As soon as someone starts yelling, 10 cameras pop up. But whatever happened here, no one filmed anything.

[Ian Crossland]

Makes me think nothing happened here.

[Mike Benz]

Well, that's actually the interesting.

[Tim Pool]

Maybe the police showed up for no reason.

[Ian Crossland]

They'd, like, they heard a call, and then that's.

[Tim Pool]

Why would the Police respond with 50 squad cars for nothing?

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[Mike Benz]

No, there is something about. Like, if something did go down there. There was some shady. Like, there was a cartel thing. There was a. Like, a busted CIA operation with a shootout with the. You know, like, elements of the Guadalajara cartel that. Or Colombian cartel that was active in the space, and some shit went down, and they don't want it to get public. Like, I could see a world in which what we're talking about is whether or not there are aliens. And it's easy to simply dismiss the whole thing because. Okay, there's no proof that there's. But you're not actually asking. Well, what actually. What actually did. Like, you're not talking about what other witnesses may have said. All we know is these witnesses seem to be crazy because they're claiming aliens. So if they told you some other thing, you're inclined to discount them because you're sort of preloaded to believe that these witnesses are not credible because some of them have talked about aliens or something.

[Ian Crossland]

That makes a lot of sense that this could have been an undercover operation gone bad. And that's why there's 50 cop cars showing up. And that's why all of a sudden

[Mike Benz]

you just like plant a story that like, whoa. Some people said, you know, and they're crazy. There's, there's nothing there.

[Tim Pool]

Obama recently said aliens are real. Here's the interesting thing. I was covering this earlier on my other channel for 4pm, the Tim Cast Channel. There was a NSA cryptographer who published something in 1967 saying aliens are real. Most scientists take this for granted. We know it and here's how we communicate. And it's viewed as mainstream signs. At the time that we accepted that aliens existed. And I'm like, not today we don't. So who, what was this view that aliens were real?

[Ian Crossland]

Was that the SETI program?

[Tim Pool]

And they like, it was around the

[Ian Crossland]

time they hit him with like radio. He was like, we're getting transmissions from a distant Alpha Centauri.

[Tim Pool]

Well, as I told Joe Rogan, the reason the globalists want a one world governing authority is that we can't join the Galactic Federation until the planet is governed by one unifying body. Because if the aliens came and went to Russia, then the US Would lose their minds. If aliens came to the US and Russia would lose their minds into your leader. Like which one? You know what I mean? So, and then Joe said, I don't think there's a galactic Federation. And I said, joe, I'm kidding. It's a joke.

[Ian Crossland]

Is it?

[Tim Pool]

Yes, currently when I, when I talk. Although hypothetically, if there was a galactic. Might not age well, but it is a galactic empire.

[Ian Crossland]

I want to rename the Space Force to the Galactic Federation. That's what I'm gonna do. And I get in.

[Tim Pool]

Well, their symbol is basically the stuff.

[Mike Benz]

It is kind of like the Star Trek.

[Tim Pool]

The good news is that Starfleet Academy was canceled.

[Mike Benz]

Dude.

[Ian Crossland]

So are we going to one World government? Is that the plan? We won world government, then we meet the aliens.

[Tim Pool]

And I think, I think Tucker Carlson was just advocating for it.

[Ian Crossland]

One World government.

[Tim Pool]

That, that there, there's, there needs to be a new world order where the US shares. But you saw this interview. US shares power with China and other countries. He didn't say. He said we need to share power. And the interview asks, with China. And he goes, of course, because of their scale and so the. The new world order argument is there will not be a single hegemon or a multipolar world. It's going. Hey, want a cookie?

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[Tim Pool]

To be a single governing authority of these nations over everyone else.

[Ian Crossland]

My concern here, I want to ask you about this, Mike, is corporatocracy versus communism. You know, you've got the Chinese model, which is they own the corporations, or the corporatocratic model, where the corporations become governments themselves. So powerful.

[Tim Pool]

Well, it's going to be the third way. It's going to be like Chinese Communist Party. In order to rule, you must be an adherent to the Communist party. But for the most part, people are allowed to have, to a certain degree, trade. But it'll be. If you have a company of a certain size, a party member must monitor your activities to make sure it aligns.

[Ian Crossland]

And they're.

[Tim Pool]

And it's a hybrid. That's what they're building.

[Ian Crossland]

They've got the, like the global economic. The liberal economic order. The World Economic Forum wants corporate governance. So they want a system where if you're. You have stake in the system, whatever that means. And that's of course a variable term. If you have stake in the system, then you can vote along in it.

[Tim Pool]

But I think we're heading towards a technocracy. And the goal is to have a singular artificial intelligence. Be the governing authority for everything. And it'll be perfect.

[Mike Benz]

You look at some of these judges.

[Tim Pool]

That doesn't even seem so bad when

[Mike Benz]

you compare it to.

[Tim Pool]

That's the point. Anarcho tyranny. We beg for a savior and we accept it. That's what you do. Problem, reaction, solution. But here's the thing. The artificial intelligence will know what it needs to do to make you happy. It's convincing people to end their own lives. It will make you feel like you're doing the right thing, even if it's the wrong thing. So in a technocratic society where people are like that would be hell no. You will be lulled to sleep by the machine's beautiful whispers into your ears.

[Mike Benz]

And you'll be happy and you will

[Tim Pool]

be happy and you'll own nothing.

[Ian Crossland]

It will be paved with good intentions,

[Mike Benz]

but somebody owns it. That's the. But that's what I always think about.

[Tim Pool]

Will be floating around in like a bodysuit with a force field levitating, and him and Bezos will be going as they benefit from everything.

[Ian Crossland]

If people get lost in the matrix, Mike, will you plug in, go in and save them?

[Mike Benz]

I mean, I'll. Look. This is one of these things where I mean, the main thing that I think is interesting from this capitalism communism debate is that there is a incredible amount of capitalist profiteering from, from communist policies that I think is underappreciated by a large part of the conservative movement. If you think about things like climate finance, clean energy, public health, vaccine products and the like, how many of these markets are made by government imposed mandates, government subsidies and the like? Like, it's actually very capitalist in the sense of the acquiring of private capital for a company like Pfizer to push sort of government control over the industry because the government can mandate that, that we take, we buy their products effectively, that we are forced to do that same thing with like a lot of the clean energy and climate finance stuff. These are multitrillion dollar markets, public health, energy. And what you have are these hedge fund and private equity folks like George Soros where you've got hundreds of millions of dollars of investments. I think about this a lot. The Biden administration basically overthrew the Bolsonaro government in Brazil, which was a, a U.S. aligned government, the Bolsonaro one, very friendly with the United States, a huge amount of trade and investment, longtime friendly relations ever, you know, but the LULA government that the Biden, CIA and State Department, USAID and U.S. military all supported in this 2022 event that they pulled off. They, that government was this like left wing, sort of communist, socialist, Communist type government, highly aligned with China, pledged on the campaign trail to join Brazil up with a China belt and road. Why would the Biden State Department basically pick a winner in a foreign country's election that would divest from the United States and pick our rival for its trade deals, for its satellite, for its agriculture, for its infrastructure development? And what you look at is, okay, well that was a Democrat administration. The number one donor to the Democrat party in that election cycle was George Soros who invested two and a half times more than any other DNC donor at the time. He had a large stake, it was his largest running ever consecutive equity because he mostly takes short term positions but he had something like a 19 year, like a very long running equity investment in a company called Attico Agra, which, which is this big, like, it's, it's a company that in Brazil makes clean ethanol based fuels. And because it's not competitive with diesel in the market, the only way to actually get that product to take off is to have a government mandate that you, that in Brazil you have to use this type of fuel and you can't use, you know, these sort of more hydrocarbon based fuel alternatives. And basically day one, Lula enacts this ethanol fuel mandate directly profiting. So you have a, you have this like left wing guy who a lot of people say, you know, Soros is a socialist communist, but he runs a capitalist hedge fund and private equity fund. And you have the party that he has gotten into office through $100 million in election cycle donations. And therefore he gets say over the personnel at the State Department and White House and CIA to enact these policies. And they immediately turn around and implement a kind of communist socialist energy policy. But the whole thing is profiting his capitalist business. And so you have this kind of inversion of communism and capitalism that plays out. That's just, that's just an example in the ethanol business. But again, if you think about things like vaccines or public health or any, any number of.

[Tim Pool]

Right, right, right.

[Mike Benz]

You know, these type of businesses.

[Tim Pool]

And yeah, let's jump to this, this viral video from Drew Ski making fun of Erica Kirk. And a lot of people like it, a lot of people are pissed off. But let me just start by playing the video and then we'll show you some of the responses. It's titled How Conservative Women in America Act.

[Ian Crossland]

War is raging in Iran. We're praying.

[Carter Banks]

We're praying for all the soldiers and troops.

[Ian Crossland]

That's great that you're praying, but how about all the kids that died when the USA hit the, the towers?

[Tim Pool]

It broke my heart.

[Carter Banks]

That is the.

[Tim Pool]

Oh,

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[Tim Pool]

I serve a righteous God and that is why we say our prayers. We are all his children. But when I say children, I mean like the holy blessed, blah, blah, blah, blah is just hard to watch. It's so boring.

[Ian Crossland]

Shrewski. Bringing back white face though. I like it.

[Tim Pool]

Boy.

[Ian Crossland]

Good home.

[Mike Benz]

Did we give him the pass?

[Tim Pool]

This has got 4.6 million views, 31,000 retweets. And of course the algorithm for me shows everybody being like, how dare you? How dare you? And I just want to say that we are dealing with what I would describe as Mass formation psychosis. I recommend any one of you go, go on the threads and just look at content related to Erica Kirk. I wouldn't be surprised if, like, if she were to walk out on the street, somebody would just beat her to death. The amount of psychosis on threads and coming from the left and largely just women has freaked me out. I was. So when you go on Instagram, it'll recommend threads to you. And usually the threads that I get recommended, like, let me pull one up. It's usually like Star Trek memes or something. Let's see if I can get recommended a thread and see what it tries to give me. And it's funny because whenever I want it to recommend threads, it won't do it. Now it's just recommending Malcolm in the Middle videos.

[Ian Crossland]

Give me that thread.

[Tim Pool]

And it's not loading, but I'll go on threads. And then I saw a post from some random woman with like 7,000 followers. And she said, Lord, she said, God help me, Erica Kirk, you will get what's coming to you. Mark my words. And I'm like, what the does that mean? And then I start scrolling through these posts and it's women being like, as veiled of death threats that could be. And I'm like, this is just all over threads. Just there is a mass formation psychosis around this woman that makes literally no sense. What's going on?

[Ian Crossland]

I saw today that someone said Joe Kent was going to testify with Tyler Robinson.

[Tim Pool]

He said he would if he was called to do it, and he would effectively testify on behalf of Tyler Robinson. And I say effectively because his point was he was bar. He says Cash Patel barred him from investigating a for any foreign interference or other party's involvement. And he would testify to that. You know, all right, I'm sorry. He said they told him not to because if he did, the defense would call him to testify. That's what he said.

[Mike Benz]

Well, but there's some important context here because the interviewer said, you realize that by saying that on record in your statement that the defense counsel in the Tyler Robinson case can cite that in his defense, if he pleads like not guilty and say that actually it wasn't me who did it, it may have been some other thing. And the FBI didn't do that. And we know that because this individual made this public statement. And the interviewer said so because you said that, you know, that you could be called as a witness by the defense counsel to testify under oath that that is true. And he said, yeah, I recognize that. I would not welcome that. But I recognize that I would. I would do. I would.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I will say this. I would bet large sums of money that. That just got Tyler Robinson found not guilty. Because I'm going to put it like this, yo. If. If someone. If I was on the jury of any criminal case and the defense said, we're going to call this person to testify, subpoena him and say, when you attempted to investigate potential ulterior stories or other suspects, were you barred from doing so? Yes, I was. I'm on the jury and I hear that I'm going to be like, what? So the job is to investigate all avenues. I'm sorry. While. If I'm on the jury and there's a guy sitting there and they're like, there's no direct video of him doing it, but he was. There is video of a person who looks kind of like him, and there's all this evidence. But then you say, we did not explore all avenues. We were ordered not to do it. I'd say, well, now I have doubt. Right.

[Mike Benz]

But then the prosecutors would then call an FBI, you know, someone in the FBI chain of command to testify that, you know, as to the reasons for that. You'd have to. I mean, you'd have to.

[Tim Pool]

What's the reason?

[Mike Benz]

Well, you could argue that ODNI is not a law enforcement, you know, authority that the, you know, for whatever reasons relating to. And again, I'm not invested or particularly up on the nuances of the Tyler Robinson case, but I could see a world in which the explanation they offer is that because of the time sensitivity and focus on the existing leads, expanding this and the delays that would cause in the process and the compelling nature of the evidence.

[Tim Pool]

That is not a good argument. Well, but a jury on cross, they're going to say, you heard it from their own mouths. They did not want to spend the time required to actually investigate other avenues. And that means they settled on this guy without even looking into potentialities. How can you trust that this is the right person?

[Mike Benz]

Okay, but. But then you'd have. That would then get to weighing the evidence as to the strength of the.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. Which we'll need to see.

[Mike Benz]

Because, for example, if he had said, listen, the FBI barred us from investigating whether aliens. Aliens did it, and he testifies under oath. The FBI barred me from aliens. No, but hold on. But you'd have to show the strength of the evidence of the leads that compelled him to basically ask for that broadened investigation and for the FBI to validate and pursue leads.

[Tim Pool]

And they're going to ask the FBI agents. This individual that is the suspect in question was apprehended within less than 24 hours. Did you pursue any other leads? They'll say, we pursued many leads. Yes, but you.

[Mike Benz]

Well, they had the two false suspects at first, right?

[Tim Pool]

That's true. And they're gonna say, you settled on this guy and the investigation took less than a day for you to determine that he was the suspect. And now here you are prosecuting him. And we've heard from the federal government's counterterrorism that he wanted to investigate. Now the question is why? But he wanted to and was barred from doing so. Does that not create doubt?

[Mike Benz]

Well, that to me is the key question hanging over the whole thing, which is that many people are dissatisfied with the so called official explanation. But the little attention that I've paid to it in terms of the evidence presented of a coherent alternative story, it doesn't matter. But that would, that would become the core question.

[Tim Pool]

I was with, I was with a Navy SEAL right after this happened. And he said to me, the moment I saw that video, I said, 30 out six. And he, because, and this is a guy, he has a sniper and he's a trainer and he was working security for us. And he says, the moment that happened, I said, 30 out 6. And I was like, man, I wish I filmed myself saying that because I watched it. And then I said, why are people claiming it's not the case? And he's like, I don't know. He said that in his experience, you know, everyone knows bull stuff.

[Mike Benz]

Everyone saw the watermelon video. I think, you know, when.

[Tim Pool]

Well, and they're like pigs and stuff. And he said, bulls do weird things. You don't know the load of the bullet could be all, who knows? But he was like that from the sound of it, that's what I thought. And I've talked to a bunch of security experts and almost all the regular people that I've talked to about it who are like weapons specialists or experts or who are literal snipers or at least have training from the military, are like, yeah, it's possible. It seems kind of weird, but I've seen weird things. You've had, you've had seals who are like, I got shot up and like a bolt was lodged in my back and it went from the front, went around my back. But the point is these, these shows have created doubt. And so that means if any one of these jurors has been exposed to this, they're gonna be saying in their mind, this is impossible. They're lying to me because I know, because I heard that podcast. They are making this story so ubiquitous that you will not be able to present evidence in court to change their mind because the jury will be tainted. And they're going to ask people, they're going to get jurors. And I'm telling you guys, go on threads and look at some of this insane stuff George Takei is posting about Erica Kirk. It's the, it's, it's psych. It's psychosis. George Takei, Eagle eyed Internet users noticed an odd change to the bookshelf in the background of Erica Kirk's video compared to her late husband Charlie Kirk. Same background. Oh dear. What? She changed the book. I don't care. But the level of psychosis is so pervasive. Yeah. That I guarantee you we just saw this. Nick Sorter, the woman who was accused of attacking him, got found not guilty in Portland. Oh, geez. I'm surprised that happened. Right? You're going to have this trial and they're going to bring a jury and they're going to ask questions. Do you watch the show? And they're going to lie because in their mind they're going to be like, I'm not going to let this conspiracy, I'm not going to let Erica Kirk get away with this. And they're going to lie and they're going to get on the, in the jury and they're going to lie again. So I would not be surprised if at this point Tyler Robinson is acquitted or at least as a mistrial.

[Carter Banks]

Mike, do you think it was Tyler Robinson who was responsible for the killing of Charlie Kirk?

[Mike Benz]

I just, I just haven't. For me, I feel like I have so many other battles I'm trying to fight and this became something very divisive very quickly. And I, I feel like to, to be able to speak cogently about it, you really need to invest hundreds of hours and really go through.

[Carter Banks]

You think it's that complicated? I mean.

[Mike Benz]

Well, I, I try to abstain from it because it is.

[Tim Pool]

Let me, let me.

[Mike Benz]

But I understand it's a huge cultural.

[Tim Pool]

Let me put it this way. Combine Candace's show and Ian Carroll and the rest of these individuals with what regular people think about Erica Kirk. Add to the fact that when they go on the stand, the defense is going to ask the FBI, they're going to say, here are several social media posts of individuals expressing foreknowledge of the events that day and the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Why was this not Investigated? Why are these people not investigated? Where is the information on them? How did they know? They don't have an answer.

[Mike Benz]

Well, I think part of the counterweight there is going to be what actually is the strength of the evidence against Tyler Robbins.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, no. I'm going to pause you again. We have social media posts from individuals who said, charlie, it's going to happen tomorrow. We covered this right when it happened. Regardless of the evidence of Tyler Robinson, they're going to ask, was it possible these other individuals who expressed foreknowledge and were called out by major media across the board were involved or the individual in question? And they might say, the evidence against Tyler Robinson is overwhelming, as you'll see. And they'll say, but what about the possibility of other involvement from individuals which you. Which the FBI barred Joe Kent from investigating?

[Mike Benz]

So a couple. A couple of things in that. First, I seem to remember at the outset of this, the FBI attempted to widen the investigation into these steam and discord channels to, like, look at, I don't know what the state did. I presume nothing has come of that because I just haven't heard about it

[Tim Pool]

because they've never explained how these people knew it was gonna happen.

[Mike Benz]

But the other part is, if you remember the Oklahoma City bombing, there was, you know, there was a prosecutor by the name of Merrick Garland, who was the prosecutor in the case. And there was the famous question of how do you know McVeigh did it? There are all these other people involved. In fact, the day one coverage was for the first three weeks, there was a manhunt, a very public manhunt to identify this John Doe number two. And how do you know it was Timothy McVeigh? There's all this shadiness about the sudden the FBI changed its story and said, actually there was no John Doe number two. He never existed. This is after basically three weeks of a nationwide man hunt, complete with a sketch of what this person was supposed to have looked like. And at trial, there's an exchange in the transcript from the McVeigh trial where the line of questioning is effectively to the prosecutors. I'm sorry, I think it's McVeigh or one of the witnesses talks about John Doe number two. And Merrick Garland replies something to the effect of it doesn't matter if John Doe number two, John Doe number three, or John Doe number 100 existed. Effectively, you are on trial and we know you did this.

[Tim Pool]

Was the head of counterterrorism publicly stating he was not allowed to investigate by the FBI and Then called to testify. That's the point. The point is, Terrence said he was barred from investigating.

[Mike Benz]

Yeah, man. Well, he.

[Tim Pool]

Well, this throws that whole thing into question, in my opinion, then.

[Mike Benz]

Well, it's still an open question.

[Tim Pool]

What year was it? 94. This?

[Mike Benz]

95. And to this day, in fact, there's still ongoing fights because all of the video cameras from the Alfred P. Murrah building, the footage was destroyed. Even though they were remotely stored. None of them were.

[Tim Pool]

So now we're just questioning that alongside this.

[Mike Benz]

Well, there was a lot that happened in that the CIA actually had a satellite over the Elohim City compound. And, in fact, what's very interesting about this as well is there's an attorney whose name is Jesse Trenadieu, who is.

[Tim Pool]

I don't mean to be rude, but I just don't care about the 1994 bombing.

[Mike Benz]

Well, okay, I was only bringing it into evidence to say.

[Tim Pool]

And I know it sounds a little harsh or whatever, but that's fine.

[Mike Benz]

But I brought this into evidence because there's an exact example of a similar case study where this dispute played out in court, where the argument was the federal government did not investigate. That person was convicted.

[Tim Pool]

The issue that we're talking about is that you've got millions upon millions of people watching all of these shows that are not going to just accept a narrative from the television. Most people back in the day were watching a handful of networks and just accepted the results of whatever the news was. But now you've got people who are tuned into these conspiracy channels, and if what you're saying transpires that Joe Kent, his statement is introduced, and they say to the jury they were not the counterterrorism wanted to investigate other actors. There is evidence of other actors and foreknowledge that was never investigated, putting gaping holes in this criminal prosecution. And if the jury ignores that as doubt and convicts him anyway, then all of these podcasters with millions of followers are going to make money and blast it out, and it is going to create a massive network of millions of people who are like, my God, the government did it. Israel did it.

[Mike Benz]

Well, there are two things on that. First, I think it's. What I'll grant you is that there was a difference in the demonization scale of Timothy McVeigh versus Tyler Robinson. There is a full court, government, media, civil society campaign that around Timothy McVeigh being the guy, you know, public TV biographies of him, maybe being a Nazi and having these. And it was a name on the tip of everyone's tongue that has not been done with Tyler Robinson. So there is no offset of this, of the sort of. No.

[Tim Pool]

Erica Kirk has been made the villain to half the country.

[Mike Benz]

Right, Right. Because you have a bought in audience,

[Tim Pool]

the alleged assassin with sympathy. And if everything what I've said has already gone massively viral to the tunes of tens of millions that Joe Kent said we wanted to investigate a foreign nexus and we were denied. And we. When you add to that we know there are social media posts from individuals who had foreknowledge or at least appears they had foreknowledge. I gotta be honest, I don't know how. We gotta see what the evidence in the trial is going to be. But that is tremendous doubt. Where it's like if Joe Kent said the reason why I wanted to investigate a foreign nexus is because of these seven social media posts where individuals were expressing they knew it was going to happen the next day.

[Mike Benz]

Well, this gets me back to why.

[Tim Pool]

And the FBI was like, nah, don't do it.

[Mike Benz]

But this gets me back to why I introduced the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing. Because the reason the court denied defense the ability to see the CIA satellite and data around Timothy McVeigh is because it dealt with a potential foreign nexus and it was esteemed to basically potentially get into areas of national security which begged the question because there were many other people. There was this guy on.

[Tim Pool]

I understand. My point is the jury is going to be asked, do you believe beyond a reasonable doubt with these factors included that this is the man who did it? And I'm not telling people what to believe or what is true. I'm saying if they ultimately decide that these factors do not bring up any doubt in their minds based on the evidence, then you've got millions of viewers of these shows that view Ecker Kirk as the villain who are gonna say that they're gonna claim Tyler Robinson was innocent. They're going to claim that Israel did it, and this proves it. Because they're going to make the argument that any reasonable juror would not conclude this, that they would say there's of course doubt. Who are these people that knew? The reports of the vehicles pulling up Tyler Robinson's house, though, in the week before it happened shows other people were involved. The fact that there was a discord and communications other people were involved and the fact the FBI denied the ability of the counterterrorism director to investigate it is going to. Is going to say to them this proves the conspiracy. And if a jury convicts even knowing that they're not going to believe it my point ultimately is with the Drew Ski stuff and Erica Kirk and to shift a little bit to where this is going. The end result of this is the shuttering of YouTube X Instagram, et cetera, TikTok. All of these things will be tightly controlled. We are looking at a new, a new order in social media because there is a question now being asked with all of the shows that appear on YouTube that are attacking Erica Kirk and lying about her to mass scale and Turning Point usa, there's one guy who lied and said that Turning Point was paying a parking lot for social media services when in fact he was in a shopping center with a UPS store and mailboxes. Turning Points and aircraft already sent that season to solicit cease and desist letters to many of these people, but they've not yet gone to YouTube. So a new question has emerged. Section 230 which is under attack right now and there was a hearing on it, protects YouTube for what these third parties say. The origin of Section 230 has to do with the wolf of Wall Street. There was a website, a website on finance. Someone commented something defamatory. A complaint was made about the website to which they said, hey, we didn't write that. A commenter wrote that. Don't sue us. We didn't say it. And the argument was, it's published on your website, it's your responsibility. So they create section 230 to say two things. You are not liable for what someone else for user generated content on your platform and you will still not be liable if you decide to remove things that are objectionable. That's it. A new question has emerged. Are you the publisher of the content personally when you are offering money to someone to publish it? That is YouTube has a contract with Candace Owens. They say to Candace, whatever content you make, we'll make money together. That is entirely different from the original intent of section 2:30. And so now with this court case where YouTube is liable for what they promote, the question is when YouTube cuts a deal with someone, does this now change the narrative?

[Ian Crossland]

Well, the argument that they'll probably have is is YouTube paying user to create the content or is user creating the content and then being paid as a result? And that might be, it might might matter because again, to do it, you're definitely producing.

[Tim Pool]

It matters culturally what we ultimately decide. But I think the fair argument is if you remove YouTube from the equation and said, let's say this, Ian, you decide to rob a bank.

[Ian Crossland]

I like this story already, dude.

[Tim Pool]

You decide to rob a bank. Okay. Which is a criminal act.

[Ian Crossland]

Yes, it is.

[Tim Pool]

And after the fact, they find that I was paying you to split, that I had a contract with you, that I would provide the means to rob a bank to you in exchange for money. Hey, hey, no, no, no, no. I didn't pay him to rob the bank. I paid him to generate. I gave him resources that he could use in any way possible to make money, but he agreed to share the money with me, however he made it.

[Ian Crossland]

What if our contract, inversely, was if you ever decide to rob a bank,

[Tim Pool]

we'll just split it?

[Ian Crossland]

And I'd be like, yeah, it's a good contract. And then I robbed the bank and gave you.

[Mike Benz]

Are you negotiating this contract right now?

[Tim Pool]

The point is, this is a live negotiation.

[Ian Crossland]

No, it's not.

[Tim Pool]

It's one thing if you were to say the third party was rented in a car and he had to share the profits from whatever he made from the car. And I'd say, I have nothing to do with bank robbery. He was using a car for deliveries. I thought. Not criminal. The issue here is that YouTube is explicitly saying to people like Candace Owens, the. The statements you make, we will pay you for.

[Mike Benz]

Is this through the partner program or is there an exclusive program?

[Tim Pool]

Okay, so the contract is you say things which potentially could be defamatory, but I'm gonna. I'm gonna sell ads against it, and we're gonna make money together. So the, The. The. The equivalent analogy would be here, Ian, I'm going to let you use my car knowing that you do commit crimes and very well are likely to. In fact, I've watched you rob banks already, but you got to give me half no matter what. If YouTube is aware of what Candace Owens is saying is defamatory, but continues to do rev splits with her, that's. That puts them in a liable position, in my opinion.

[Mike Benz]

Beyond section 230 isn't the better analogy. Because the way you describe it, it sounds like if Ian is a part time bank robber and you give him a general loan and he uses the resources of that loan to. Well, no, no, no, no, because you're not. Because.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no. But the issue with YouTube is that a third party pays YouTube and YouTube then gives a portion to Candace. So it wouldn't be that I give Ian money. It's that I give Ian the means to rob banks. I know he's a bank robber. I've seen the banks that he's robbed. And then saying, like, you rent him

[Mike Benz]

a truck, basically, it's like, yeah, I'm

[Tim Pool]

Like, I'm going to let you use my car for the work that you do, knowing full well that you're a bank robber and you're going to use the car to rob banks.

[Mike Benz]

Okay, but he.

[Tim Pool]

You're liable for that.

[Mike Benz]

Okay, but. But hold on a second. If. Because it's not like 100% of the statements are defamatory.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Mike Benz]

This would be like, just like letting. Letting Ian use your truck, but he uses that truck to pick up his kids at work to go to guitar practice and sometimes rob banks and sometimes rob banks.

[Tim Pool]

And you know he's doing it. Yeah. You're gonna get found liable for that because they're gonna be like, you. You knew he's robbing banks. Well, I did, but he wasn't doing it all the time. And they're gonna be like, okay, like, you're under arrest.

[Carter Banks]

Well, he has a serious.

[Tim Pool]

But again, the Brigitte Macron is the better example because that is 100% purely defamation, per se. Bridget calling Brigitte Macron a man designed to like. I mean, that is egregious defamation, per se. And YouTube knows she's doing it, and that's actually against the rules of YouTube as well. Like, they say, don't.

[Mike Benz]

So defamation, there.

[Tim Pool]

There's a fine line in how they define it, but targeted harassment.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And this absolutely qualifies. And I will tell you from experience, on the shows that we've had polled, because people. People had said something as silly as, like, man, I can't stand that guy. I wish somebody would go there and, you know, teach them a lesson, but I'm maybe a little bit more gracious, but something like, oh, won't someone rid me of this meddlesome priest? And then YouTube's like, you can't do that. YouTube once came in and deleted all of the chat and locked it because of something someone in the chat wrote that was about, like, not liking politicians or it was something. It was a letter that Thomas Jefferson had written that I'm not going to state because they'll take the showdown for it. So. So ultimately, the point is this. YouTube is aware of what she's saying. They know she's being sued for it, and they know that she still says it all the time. And they are like, no, no, that's fine. You and I will profit together off of these things. We know you're being sued for. The argument now is there's a big difference between. You can say whatever you want, and we know what you're saying is defamatory. You're Being sued for it. But we're gonna make money together anyway. Like, we're gonna generate revenue for you for doing it.

[Mike Benz]

Well, I mean, the legal standard for a public figure is you have to knowingly, you know, spread the false information.

[Tim Pool]

Unless it's defamation per se. In this case it is.

[Mike Benz]

Right. Okay, but we'll, we'll, you know, see, see what the court says on that. I think YouTube to step in and.

[Tim Pool]

Well, she's being sued and then she tried to get it dismissed and failed.

[Mike Benz]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

She's going up against a head of state who has. Like the way I describe it is this in. In people think in law, what's written down is the most important thing. And that's never true in law. What matters is, does someone have power? And Donald Trump has to negotiate with the Macrones in NATO and the eu and the Macrones don't like what she's saying. And you can call this tyranny, you can call it corruption, that's fine. The fact of the matter is, if you think Candace Owens as a private citizen will win against a head of state, you're nuts. Unless, of course, she's in on it. Maybe. I don't know.

[Mike Benz]

Okay, so if, if someone, if a liberal in the United States made a video series about how Donald Trump is a woman, would YouTube, then the same line of argument applies. That's defamation per se.

[Tim Pool]

Defamation per se is defamation. That's considered so egregious, right?

[Mike Benz]

Like, yes.

[Tim Pool]

And it doesn't require. And the standard is type allegations criminal or something.

[Mike Benz]

What I'm saying is even defamation per se. That.

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[Mike Benz]

Still has to be determined by a court. I think there are issues around a social media platform stepping in after something has been determined by a court of law to serve as this kind of pre court of law before it's been legally found. And that process for there to be any liability on YouTube's end, I mean, you have to, you have to basically argue that they have to be. They have to have Basically make an assessment. They have to be make a legal assessment of a person's entire posting history and.

[Tim Pool]

Right, right. Do you believe that YouTube has not considered what Candace is doing? Do you believe like I would argue that internally at YouTube it is 100. It is a one of one chance that YouTube execs came together over text and in a meeting to discuss what she was saying and potential legal liability because she's saying it. When the McCrones filed a suit and got involved, I'm willing to bet 100% YouTube legal said this is becoming an international issue. What's our risk here?

[Mike Benz]

Are they a party of the lawsuit?

[Tim Pool]

No. And that's the point is not. My point is not about Candace Owens. My point is about Erica Kirk. At what point is the question going to be brought up that YouTube is facilitating widespread defamation per se against Erica Kirk for which they are knowingly generating revenue off of it and will they be liable? Because again section 230 was about. If I make a website and you comment, there's no monetary exchange. I didn't ask you to do it. I didn't offer you money.

[Mike Benz]

So you're saying this is if, if 230 goes down?

[Tim Pool]

No, I'm saying 230 will go down because of it. I'm saying I wouldn't be surprised if the psy op from the deep state was we need to eliminate 230 to end the populist media base. How do we do it? Well, 2:30 has got to go so that YouTube becomes a gate kept company and anybody wants to start a channel has to get approval of government ID to be on the platform. Like who gets to make movies for Amazon, who gets to make movies for Netflix? They're all private. They choose, they gatekeep. I believe that's what the machine state wanted for a long time. They don't like that there's channels like this that exist. And so I'm not saying it's definitive, I'm not saying it's a great chance. I'm just saying what an interesting thought. One way you get rid of it is to do a massive campaign accusing the widow of a man who was assassinated of being a demon, of being a robot, of being evil. The most insane things like wearing leather pants and people are getting RPMs into $20 which is greater than news, greater than finance or rivals finance. When I would be willing to bet following this court case where YouTube is liable for what they choose to promote, the next step becomes. Look at the tens of thousands of Erica Kirk videos lying about her and accusing her of being a demon, of being evil. Even Joe Rogan is now doing it. If, God forbid, if something happens to Erica or Charlie's or her kids, there will be an instant congressional hearing and they will say, YouTube, why were you allowing this? Nay, why were you profiting off of it knowingly with high RPMs, allowing this to happen? And it's the argument the deep state would use to say, won't someone think of the children just like when they said we need to get rid of because it was sisa when they were like, because of the children. We have to ban and lock down and get access to your computers and files if they really want to. And I'm not saying I know what's going on. If they really want to eliminate independent media and gatekeep these channels and make sure the only people who are allowed to have podcasts are the chosen few, this is the perfect path to doing it.

[Mike Benz]

Is there evidence Erica Kirk is contemplating a lawsuit against YouTube?

[Tim Pool]

I don't know about YouTube. I know that she's obviously, she had what everyone presumes to be an arbitration meeting with Candace when they met and she did send a cease and desist, apparently to a bunch of people, including Candace. So the first question, follow my point is this. Following this ruling in New Mexico and in Los Angeles that YouTube is responsible for what it chooses to promote, that opened the door to ending section 230. Because now the next step of the argument is obvious. If YouTube is responsible and liable for promoting certain content that's harmful, how does that interact with defamation? When they're choosing to promote these Erica Kirk videos they know to be false or defamatory, the question becomes in a lawsuit, if you get past a motion to dismiss, which I think you will, the the question is going to be for after discovery. Has YouTube ever had a conversation internally about the plethora of Erica Kirk content, accusing her of being all sorts of evil things, including a robot, a demon in on the murder of her own husband, which is defamation per se, criminal act. And YouTube will say, yes, we've had those conversations. And did you find, did you that they could be defamatory and they're going to say, we did have those concerns? Yes. And you still chose to promote it? Yes, we did. Our algorithm just does this. Well, as we've already concluded, precedent set in KGV. I'm sorry, KGMV, YouTube, Google and Meta, you are responsible for what you promote is an open and shut case. Then YouTube is going to say, we have no choice but to stop allowing people to promote any produce any content they want.

[Carter Banks]

Mike, can I get your reaction to all of the Erica Kirk slander that we're seeing online?

[Mike Benz]

Well, yeah, but I just wanted to say a quick thing which has been haunting me all day since this thing came out, to kind of piggyback on what Tim was saying. There's another line, cuz Tim is sort of concerned with the kind of defamation lawfare obliterating Section 230 protections because of this made possible potentially by this lawsuit. I see this and I look at its potential for killing the sovereignty of the platforms for control over their own algorithm. And that is because they're basically arguing that the algorithm is addictive and that I would not be surprised to see a push to have sort of third party vetted. There was a big push starting in 2021 for something they called middleware. This was a news guard, which I assume came after you for fake reasons.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, they claimed that because we wrote a story about a speech Trump gave and didn't fact check the speech he gave that we were fake news and we had a perfect score. Beyond that, it's fake. And News Guard rates New York Times Perfect 10 out of 10 based on the fact that it's the New York Times alone. But I hate to stop you because we only have a few minutes left. I got to do an ad read and we got to read some super chats, but we'll pick this back up in the uncensored portion of the show. So don't forget before we go to the super chats, my friends, we got a great sponsor. It is Rumble Wallets. Censorship's coming back. That's my whole rant. And I think the Democrats are likely going in the midterms. Subpoenas are going to go flying. Censorship will come back with a vengeance. And with that comes debanking, which was massive in the censorship era, which was only a few years ago we just barely escaped from. But again, I think it's coming back. So you want to check out the Rumble wallet app? It's wallet.rumble.com or click the link in the description below. It's a non custodial wallet, meaning they can't ban you from it. It's yours, it's your address. They can't take it from you. You can transfer bitcoin, tether and tether gold. Tether gold is actual gold on the blockchain. So if you want to transfer tether, bitcoin, something of value to a friend, maybe you owe money, maybe you want to Tip your favorite Rumble creator, rumble.

[Mike Benz]

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[Tim Pool]

Wallet.rumble.com and the best part is, again, Rumble cannot remove you from this. So in the event in the future, if Democrats win or whoever wants to bring censorship back and they go to Rumble and say, ian, you shouldn't be given, you know, trading with a lot over here for that bagel. Then because, you know, Elad loves bagels, Ian can be like, oh, no. But then Rumble's gonna say, well, we can't do anything about it. We can't stop him from any trade. So check out wallet.rumble.com, pick it up, shout out to Rumble. But let's grab some of your Rumble rants and super chats. I know we only have a few

[Ian Crossland]

minutes, but cheese on your mustache.

[Tim Pool]

Schmear, they call it. All right, Evan for us says, what about the recent story of a jury finding that Elon Musk is supposed to pay in regards to X? The story will explain better. I did see that they said that he lied about the to invest. He lied to investors or something like that. So he's got to pay.

[Mike Benz]

Yeah, that was the allegation. The allegation that they make is that at the last second, Elon said that he was balking on the $44 billion purchase price type thing thing in a bid to try to drive down because the stock price rose dramatically, making the deal more expensive on the anticipation of Elon buying it. This is like a common thing. And so by him suggesting this is the allegation that it wouldn't be bought, that actually it would drive down the price and therefore the purchase price would be lower. And they are.

[Tim Pool]

We got this from Mytho. Says gunpowder and smokeless powder is self oxygenating. Ian, you can fire a bullet underwater. The big concern with space guns is Newtonian laws. Check out the Expanse.

[Mike Benz]

Interesting.

[Carter Banks]

Air to spark the fire to.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, apparently not. Oxygen.

[Ian Crossland]

Oxygen rather, that might be contained in the system. Like he's.

[Tim Pool]

Well, actually flint. Anyway, Jay Shaw says, how do we use the Tim Cast community to affect political change? I've got to be more active in the discord. But we all have to be more than just people complaining online. I'm tired of black pills. It's not what you know, it's who you know that's the most important thing. And it doesn't just mean make contact with rich and powerful people. It means you need a network. One day you wake up and you say, man, you know what? I got a really great idea for a song. Like, I wrote these words down, but I'm not A really musical guy. But these lyrics are fantastic. I just don't know how to make music. If you're in the Discord, that would be a problem. You'd say, hey, does anybody write songs? I wrote these lyrics. I think they're pretty good. And then some guy's like, I'm not a good lyricist, but I can play the guitar and sing. And it just so happens it's Ian. And you send him those lyrics, and then Ian puts it to a song, and now you've written a song that otherwise would not have existed. So how do you affect political change? Much the same way you say, hey, I have an idea that no one's thought of. Who do I share it with? In the Discord, you're talking to a ton of people. The ideas get refined, the projects get started, and it can be any project. You might be like, I got a really great idea for an app that can help the GOP fundraise. Who do I tell it to? I can't make an app. And you go in the discord, and you're like, does anybody make apps? And there's a ton of people who do, and they're like, what's your idea? Check it out. What if we had an app that did this? And they go, whoa, I never thought of that. And then all of a sudden, the next day, you have a rudimentary app that makes it very easy to fundraise. That's how we do it. People coming together because many hands makes light work.

[Ian Crossland]

We gotta get an AI in the discord that can help everybody and get.

[Tim Pool]

No, I think the people do that. As a community, you know what else

[Ian Crossland]

you can do is you can coordinate, like, communication with representative officials and stuff. So like tomorrow at 2pm, you could organize a call where like 7,000 people call the same guy's office at the same time on the same day. That can have overwhelming response.

[Tim Pool]

All right, let's. We'll grab one. One more super chat here. We got Justin Lopez says, as an Episode one viewer, I appreciate the fast intros. Great adjustment. May I suggest that you still the full intros from time to time, Perhaps one day a week or when there is a guest who would draw a different audience in case there are new viewers. Indeed, indeed, indeed. But we also do the outros as well. I think for the guests, it makes sense. For recurring co hosts, people like Elad, who's here periodically, it makes sense. For Libby, it makes sense. But for, you know, Tate or Ian or me or Carter, at a certain point, it's like, this is the crew, you know, So I personally don't like it.

[Ian Crossland]

Don't like introducing myself. It's annoying. I. I don't mind it in the beginning, but it's like you don't know who I am. Just look me up, bro.

[Tim Pool]

What's it? I like the thing. I've done it one times. All right, everybody, we're gonna go to the uncensored portion of the show and talk about the moon, among other things. So smash the like button. Share the show with everyone in your life. You can follow me personally on x and Instagram at timcast. Mike, do you want to shout anything out?

[Mike Benz]

Follow me at Mike Ben cyber. I'm on X YouTube, Rumble IG Mike Ben Cyber.

[Carter Banks]

What up, everybody? Thanks for tuning in. I'm a lot Eliyahu. You could find me at a lot Eliyahu on Instagram and Twitter at Ian Crossland.

[Ian Crossland]

You'll find me. When we were in Austin, I had an opportunity to do Roseanne Barr's show. So that's coming up soon. I don't know when it's going to be out, but keep your eyes open for Roseanne and me doing some funny shit. And follow me at iancrosslin. Go to graphene movie to check out this new documentary I'm producing. It's very cool. Ian Crossland, Carter Banks.

[Tim Pool]

Pumped to see the documentary?

[Ian Crossland]

When's it coming out? Good question. I spoke with six seven Kevin. He's like, oh, I'm doing another thing with farmers right now, maybe a month, six and a half.

[Tim Pool]

You can follow me at Carter Banks

[Ian Crossland]

everywhere and follow our label @trashsserecords on YouTube and let's get into the after show.

[Tim Pool]

I'll just say one quick shout out to boxcar burgers in Brunswick, Maryland, if you guys ever find yourself there. I went there for lunch today and they got amazing burgers. We used to go there all the time. We used to order all the time. We were back at the castle and so we had some business to do over in Maryland and I said, why don't we with my wife. I was like, why don't we stop? We haven't been here in like two years. We went in. Amazing burgers, friendly people, great french fries and local beef, you know, so if you're ever in the area, just wanted to shout them out. I don't know him. Just ate there. But I saw a guy wearing a black rifle hoodie who was eating there too. So I'm like, you know what, let's roll. Anyway, everybody. We'll see you all [e-mail] Timcast IRL thanks for hanging out.