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Courtney
A lot of the greatest victories happen after the worst failures.
Renee
This is great. We need the story, we need the tea.
Jade
I have had so many pivots in my early life. I am increasingly less scared of uncertainty.
Renee
But I love what you were saying around, you know, really enjoying the mundane moments.
Jade
I had thousands of comments telling me it would be the worst decision I ever make.
Courtney
This is giving me anxiety. I want to throw my phone away.
Jade
But the wake up call came when in my gap year, I lost.
Renee
Hello and welcome to the To My Sisters podcast. I'm Renee.
Courtney
I'm Courtney.
Jade
And I'm Jade.
Renee
And we are so excited to be talking all things adult relationships pivoting, just being an awesome content creator and also casual magic with none other than unjaded Jade, AKA Jade.
Courtney
Oh, hello.
Jade
Hello.
Renee
We are so happy to have you on the podcast. Jade honestly wanted to be here.
Courtney
Hi sisters.
Renee
Hey sisters. So for those of you that have not met Jade, also, what are you doing with your life? That's actually quite, quite upsetting. We had the privilege of having Jade at our last TMS live in London. And needless to say, but probably needing to say, for those that don't know Jade, she was spitting bars. Some of the lines that Jade dropped for us at that live show to this day, to this day are causing transformation. No Genu, genuinely. But before we get into the all the excitement of the podcast episode, Jade, would you do the honors of introducing yourself?
Jade
Hi everyone, my name is Jade. I am an ex study tuber, which is how I think a lot of people first came to know me, came to know my content. I started a YouTube channel when I was 16 because I was a very stressed GCSE student. I remember when I was doing my GCSEs, I came to YouTube just looking for advice, looking for study tips from an older student who'd gone through it, you know, maybe had something to tell me because my parents didn't Go to uni. Like didn't have an older sibling and there was nothing. And so when I was 16, I decided to become that person for other people. Started posting my study tips and Study Journey online. And since then my content has evolved a lot over the years. I'm very passionate about mindfulness, about travel, about meeting people from all around the world and having this open mindedness towards different cultures and introspection and kind of self growth that can come from that journey. And I'm very excited to be here.
Courtney
It's an honor to have you. Honestly, you bring us so much joy. Like even when we first girl, even when we were talking about who to bring to TMS Live last year, we were like, jade would be such an amazing addition because you're genuinely just a bundle of joy and light. Like it's very lovely and pleasant being around you. Not necessarily because of any kind of performance, but because you carry such an authenticity and a calmness about you which is so, just so attractive like to be around. And you are also incredibly young, right? And well, relatively.
Renee
Yeah.
Courtney
And I think a lot of people, maybe decades and decades older than you and even older than us, may not have even had half of the experiences that you have had. And I wanted us to jump straight into that point of like you said, people were mostly introduced to you as a study tuber and a huge part of your studying journey was traveling and studying. And a lot of people don't get that kind of experience. And I recently saw you posted a real where you were talking about when you tell people that you studied in six countries, six countries, they assume you're rich, kind of grew up with a silver spoon. So I wanted to kind of talk about your background and growing up for you and how that kind of framed your mind to have that awareness of the possibilities of traveling around the world for education and whether it set you up for it or whether, you know that was something new to you in later stage of life.
Jade
Yeah. Wow. It was never my intention growing up to study in six countries. Like I think that it was like a stroke of like divine luck, divine timing that I was able to stumble upon that opportunity. Um, I was raised just outside London. Like grew up there my whole life. My mum is Dutch, so I guess you could say that like gives me some more awareness of, I don't know, other countries, international mindset. We'd grow up like driving back to the Netherlands every year to see my. That's awesome. Yeah. But yeah, as I said, my parents didn't go to university and So I grew up honestly with no idea, like, what university really was, what it meant, what it looked like. I had no idea. Like, I vividly remember when I was, like, 11, I think we were driving around, there was a family friend in the car. They were like, oh, look, there's some university accommodation. And I remember thinking, I have no idea what that means. Like, what people, like, I don't know, live there. I have no idea. But I've always loved learning. I've always been so passionate about education. I was the child who would read constantly. Like, my mum would take me to the library, and I would always max out the number of books that you could get, which was 24 books.
Renee
Oh, love that. Hang on a second.
Courtney
Thought it was gonna be a comic book. Four, five.
Jade
I had this little wagon thing.
Courtney
My.
Jade
Icon for real books on books are incredible. I had these, like, shelves in my bedroom that were just for library books, and I'd come in and, like, stack them all. I was just so excited to read. And actually, most of my life, I wanted to be a vet. So.
Renee
Wow.
Courtney
I can see that.
Renee
I can see that. Yeah.
Jade
Vegetarian. When I was, like, six. Like, I just always love animals. I'd read all these books about animals and, like, anatomy and stuff. But, yeah, so as I was. When I was a teenager, my intention was to become a vet. That was main life goal. Like, all my studying, that was the goal. My school holidays, I would work at, like, kennels, catteries, stables, any kind of animal place I could find. And then eventually had this, like, scary realization that I didn't want to become a vet through doing that work experience, having the big life crisis, having the big pivot. What do I do with myself? And I was studying maths, biology and chemistry at A level, so decided to study biology. Applied to, like, all UK institutions, including Oxford, who rejected me. And we're not talking about that, but.
Renee
I knew you were gonna look at me.
Courtney
You missed out on a progeny.
Renee
We're sorry.
Jade
Yeah, yeah. You guys can't talk.
Renee
I just knew. The Hate Train today. Something in my spirit told me. The Hate Train Today. You know, we were gonna get there, and alas, we have gotten there so early.
Jade
It's him. Yeah, yeah. Sorry, I feel like I'm rambling. I'm not even.
Renee
This is. This is great. We need the story, we need the tea.
Jade
Yeah, yeah. So then got rejected, decided. Oh, don't whack it.
Courtney
No, it's okay.
Jade
Okay. I decided to take a gap year before university, and that was probably the most pivotal decision I've ever made in my entire life.
Courtney
Talk about it.
Jade
Yeah, yeah. It felt very taboo to take the gap year because there was this stereotype. I don't know if it was just a thing in my school, but you only took a gap year if you were intending to retake or if you didn't really have a vision. Like there was not this trend of people taking a gap year to just like travel. It was. Yeah, it was not something that you did if you were more academic.
Renee
Yeah.
Jade
And I was head girl of my.
Renee
School and I remember high achiever Jade was that girl. Put some respect on her name. Not the head girl.
Courtney
Chief Boss.
Renee
Chief Bossette.
Jade
I love the hype. I love it. Yes. And I remember my head of sixth form sitting me down and being like, I've heard a rumor that you don't want to go straight to university. And I was so taken aback because I was like, I was intending to take the gap year. None of my friends are taking the gap year. And she was like, yeah. We normally put a photo of head girls on our wall and underneath it will put the institution that they end up going to to inspire other students to like go there.
Renee
Yeah.
Jade
So we don't want to put up that you've, you've taken a gap year because we don't want to encourage people to take gap years. Yeah.
Renee
This was your head of six.
Jade
This is my head of six.
Renee
I hope that eating, I hope they eat their words right now.
Courtney
That's crazy.
Jade
But I kind of like, I get it from. The more I understand the school system is like school rankings are affected by how many people go to university, state school. Like they're really dependent on kind of like those figures.
Courtney
Yeah.
Jade
But it felt, I don't know, really, like.
Courtney
Yeah, it's sad that, like, like a disapproval, Right?
Jade
Yeah, exactly. That's crazy. But it was the best decision I've ever made, so I'm glad I did it. I won an interail pass from the eu to be explained. Yeah. Oh. So it's back when we were part of the eu the last year when.
Renee
You said for the eu, I said, oh, back in the day.
Jade
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So they had this competition where you could win a one month pass to travel around Europe for free.
Courtney
Wow.
Jade
And I'd never traveled, never backpacked, was terrified of the idea of solo traveling, but applied for this on a whim. And then when I won that passion and none of my friends, you know, all my friends were at university so none of my friends could come with me. It Was like this scary realization that I would need to travel alone and that I was given this opportunity and I had to take it. Because who gets a free pass to travel, right? You have to use it.
Renee
You have to.
Jade
Yeah, you have to. And so, literally, like a month after finishing school, I went traveling around Europe. And I think that's the most life changing thing I've ever done. Because I was introduced to other cultures, people from all around the world started to challenge, like, the perspectives I had on myself and Britishness and what that means and realized that I was learning just as much, if not more from travel than I had at, like, a level.
Renee
Wow.
Jade
And realizing, like, I need to do this more, I need to travel more. And yeah, I started across my gap year to feel this sense that I was not meant to go to University of Bristol to study biology, which is why I'd put on ucas. And I realized that I wanted more out of university, but I didn't know what more could look like. Genuinely had no idea. Like, what does that mean? Like, do I. Do I go to a university that will let me do a year abroad? Like, maybe that could be an option. Or I started to think maybe I could study abroad. But how does that work? Isn't that really expensive? Like, what are those options? Like, you know, especially with Brexit as well, if I want to study in Europe, how would that work? And then I sat down with a friend at the peak of my crisis in my gap year, and she was like, jade, I want you to detail to me everything you want in a university. This is what sisters are for is in these words. And I told her that I really wanted to be around an international, diverse student body who are really open minded, really like minded, willing to learn from each other and about the world. I wanted to study abroad somehow, like, at least as part of the degree and also as someone passionate about education and learning. I wanted a university that cared about the way they were teaching, kind of like pedagogy. And the next day I remembered this Instagram advert that I had seen when I was 15 about this new university they were building at the time called Minerva. And I thought, I wonder if that still exists. And I looked it up and I had three days left to apply. And it was. It just felt very, like, serendipitous. And it was everything that I had wanted in a uni. Like a cohort of 200 people from all around the world studying in six countries with the same cohort. The whole pedagogy was designed around the science of learning. Like four years American system. And I applied and I got in and it just changed the entire course of my life.
Courtney
Here we are.
Jade
Chill.
Courtney
I love Beautiful. And I. I feel like your story goes to show the power of just being confident in the decisions you make and really standing by that. Because I can imagine how discouraging it is to hear your school be like, we don't want to promote going on a gap year and you still having to stick by that decision and be like, oh, but you know, I am still a high achiever, I am still a really gifted student, but this is what I want to do. And I can imagine it provoked a huge amount of self confidence because now you're going to go and explore the world by yourself and you don't necessarily have the support of everyone around you. So well done to you, honestly, well done.
Renee
It's such a. Be a teenager, such a beautiful thing. And I think also whilst you were doing it by yourself, you were also doing it with thousands of other people. Because for those that watched in themselves, you know what I mean? For those that don't know, you had a really thriving YouTube platform where thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of students were also looking to you for guidance, for support, for inspiration. So actually going through your pivot season and going through something that's drastically or if not radically different to what you anticipating whilst also sharing it on a platform must have been so nerve wracking. But the hope is that obviously it's produced confidence in you. Right?
Jade
That's true.
Renee
So I guess what was that experience like as well? Right, it's the pivoting, but it's also the platform whilst you are pivoting. Right. And I'm sure a lot of the sisters can resonate with this when it feels scary to pivot when you've got a lot on the line and you've got all of this pressure on you, whether it's internal pressure, but also the very real external pressure of I have a community or I have people that I'm riding for whilst I'm making these decisions. So how did you go through that process of pivoting, of changing, of dealing with rejection, especially when it felt like the stakes were high?
Courtney
Yeah.
Jade
Oh, such a good question. It was hard, I'm not going to lie. And I think back then when I was like 16, 17, 18, I still had not formed my sense of self fully. Right. I mean, it's constantly evolving, but especially back then I like lived more for like the opinions of others. Right. Or I was Like, I was. Yeah, I was, like, much more at the mercy of what people are thinking of me. And when I applied to Oxford, everyone loved that journey. It's like, oh, I've got an interview. Everyone's like, yeah, like, rooting for you. Like, wow, Jay, come on, you got this. And I'm sharing my study tips. I'm working so hard. Like, Oxford's a dream. It's so reputable. And then first blow was being rejected and having to share that. And, yeah, I just feel like I was disappointing not only myself and, like, my communities who supported me, but also this entire audience who had followed that journey. But I find when you lean into vulnerability in those situations, you do receive vulnerability back. Right. Like, you get people sharing their rejection stories, their times of uncertainty, their pivot points, and that really eased any of the, like, big fear I felt in this moment. Just realizing that, like, everything would be okay. I would be supported as long as I kept being vulnerable. And, yeah, I actually think the hardest moment was when I decided to go to Minerva, this new university, because I had thousands of comments telling me it would be the worst decision I ever make.
Renee
What?
Jade
People saying it's a scam. People saying it's like it's only existed for, like, five, ten years. Like, why would you waste, you know, your potential and your academic abilities on a university that has no name? And I'm so, so glad I decided not to listen to those comments. I was actually really close to not going, understandably.
Renee
Yeah, Yeah.
Courtney
I think 16, 17. Sorry, like 18, that is. Your brain is not even fully formed.
Jade
Yeah.
Courtney
So malleable.
Jade
Technically. Mine's still not fully formed.
Courtney
It doesn't till you're, like, 25.
Renee
Right, right.
Courtney
Yeah. So don't worry. We're all still next year. Basically.
Jade
Everything makes sense.
Renee
It's all coming together for me.
Courtney
We've spoken about this on a few episodes. It's like you just wake up one day and you're like, life makes sense now. I really.
Renee
Yeah, the clarity.
Courtney
It's like a sudden clarity, and you're like, wow, I think my brain has stopped developing. Like, I. Hopefully you experience that. Please.
Renee
This is not backed by any neuroscience, by the way. Can we just. Just in case there's anybody that is taking that for gospel truth, please. We don't have the qualifications.
Jade
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Courtney
This is a different conversation. But, yeah, when you're at that stage of life, your brain is still being formed, and a lot of where it gets is information. Information from. Is from other people's opinions and other people's responses to you. So then to be bombarded with, like you said, thousands of comments of people being like, you're about to waste your future or waste your life, that shows a huge amount of resilience and headstrongness to look at those things and be like, I'm still going to go down this path that's assigned for me. And you did the same thing with the gap year. And it's really giving. Jade knows what she wants, so she's going to go for it. And that's.
Jade
I'm glad he's giving that.
Courtney
Have you ever felt like that's actually not been how you felt?
Jade
Do you know what? Every time I made those pivot points was when I sat in the worst uncertainty of all, I felt like I had no idea what I was doing. And it was only upon kind of listening to that gut feeling and just deciding to take the path that in retrospect, everything has made so much sense.
Renee
Wow.
Jade
But in those moments, I never felt sure. I'm a very indecisive person.
Courtney
So. But then how did you stick to it? How did you decide that this is what I'm. Because I think a lot of the sisters can relate when things like that is happening, it's easy to be swayed by the majority and the opinions that other people have. And even when you are connected to that intrinsic knowledge of this is what I want, it's easy to dishonor that and be like, whilst I know that's my desire, I want to please my parents or my school every. These thousands of people who are my online community who want me to do something else. How did you, in that uncertainty, still stick with your own decision and your knowledge of what you wanted?
Jade
I think two main things. I think the first is being conscious of the sources that I was taking advice from and like almost questioning if they were in a position to really be giving me that advice.
Renee
That's so good. That is so you. You are. No, no, you are so onto something there. Question. Run, run, run with it, run with it.
Jade
Because if. If I'm taking advice from someone who I'm inspired by, whose journey I want to go down, who's in a position that I want to be in, then that is advice that I should listen to.
Courtney
Come on.
Jade
Right. But if it's someone who maybe just projecting their fear onto me or, you know, just. I don't. I don't know. They have. They have other motives that maybe they're not even conscious of. They think it's just advice. But there are the Motives of like, oh, but I would miss you. Or like, oh, you know, I'm scared on behalf of you. Or like, all of the other things. Yeah. It's just. It's important to question whose advice we're hearing. We can hear everyone's, but we shouldn't listen to everyone's.
Courtney
If you weren't at the live show, Jane had this habit of dropping serious quotables that you would print and stick on your wall.
Renee
Just minding your business. You'll be minding your business, judge. Like this. And then Jade will come and say something that just.
Courtney
Oh, my gosh. Not you guys.
Renee
Stop. No, no, no, no, no.
Courtney
So true.
Renee
You better.
Courtney
I think we've even distracted you. You said there was.
Renee
Yeah. We told you about this derailing thing that we do. We gas just too much, then derail.
Jade
Yeah. Yes. That was point one. Point number two. Know thyself.
Renee
You ain't lie. You ain't lie. You ain't lie. So, yeah, I love that.
Jade
Like, you have to cultivate your relationship with yourself.
Renee
Right.
Jade
And I think there's many different ways to do this. Like, I can only speak for what works for me, but I have a lot of tools for introspection. Like journaling. Yeah, right. Where you just brain dump your thoughts. Train of. Train of consciousness. I don't know.
Courtney
Consciousness.
Jade
Stream of consciousness. Stream it out. And. Yeah, you kind of like, start to have an awareness of your subconscious thoughts, what you really want. Like, maybe the voices that are in your head that aren't yours, the other people's. I also really love yoga and meditation. Like, I'm so grateful I was able to find them at a relatively young age because they've just really helped me cultivate, like, a good sense of self. It's like this idea of, like, coming back into my heart and, like, what matters. And. Yeah, this sense of, like, intuition that I think is really easy to suppress as we walk through the world and we're fed so many different ideas of what we should be and what we should do. Like, coming back to that sense of self, asking, what do I really want? What feels good? And not questioning too much whatever it's telling you to do. Yeah.
Courtney
Yeah.
Renee
That's so beautiful. Geez. You heard it here first, folks. From First Book of Jade. You heard it. You heard it here first. I think those points were really, really beautiful because I think it resonates so much with a lot of the women and a lot of the sisters within our community. Right. This idea of knowing yourself and this idea of trusting yourself as well. I Think it can be so scary to make a difference decision and have to deal with the consequences of that decision. Right. It can sometimes even result in paralysis or especially decision paralysis. Right. Where you're kind of like, I don't really want to make this decision because I will now have to bear accountability for the consequences should it go wrong or should it go right? But. And we've spoken about this in some of our previous episodes, right. How fear can be something that stops us or holds us back and something we will know to touch on is fear of the future. So, you know, it's giving definitely depth. But fear of the future. Right. And this idea that the future is in our hands and as women, especially in this day and age, where it feels like we have a little bit more agency, we have more tools at our disposal, we have more potential track. But yet we are still dealing with the resistance of not just the external stuff, patriarchy, something we drop in the. This podcast every single now, just sprinkle a little bit, you know, but also within ourselves, the fear of dealing with those future consequences, the fear of really being ourselves out in the open, really succeeding, but also the fear of failing. So how did you deal? Or how do you continue to deal with the murkiness that can often feel like the future?
Jade
Wow. Oh, gosh, so many things. I think one of the things that's helped me the most is to understand that failure is never failure. Because I think so much of what holds us back is this fear of failing. Right. This fear of, like, if I had. If I took the gap year, would that be the worst decision of my life? Would I be, like a laughingstock? Would I get that I told you so from everyone? If I went to this university and it did turn out to be a scam, would I have to face a community of thousands of people telling me that I have no idea why, what's good for me? But, yeah, I think just realizing that you are so much more than the decisions that you make, I think is useful because then it allows you to, like, cultivate this, like, sense of intrinsic value within yourself. Like, you are so much more than, like, the external things that might happen.
Renee
Yeah.
Jade
And it kind of empowers you to just try to, like, put yourself out there, to take the risks, to, like, place bets on yourself and just see what happens. And if you fail to realize that, you will still have so much worth in those moments, too. And that, like, every failure is just a learning.
Renee
Yeah.
Jade
Yeah. Like, I. I actually wish that women embrace failure more. I wish we were taught to fail. I think so often we are raised to be, like, good girls, you know, who are, like, perfect. We're raised to be perfect. We look perfect, be perfect, smile nicely, and, like, make people feel comfortable. And I think boys are, like, allowed to be messy and be loud and, like, mess up. And it's just. It's. It's. It's part of being a boy. And I think that that allows them to come into adulthood and. And take more risks because they're not scared of failing. And I think as women, we should really empower each other's failures. We should have, like, celebratory failure parties, you know, like, oh, my God, you tried and you failed. And I'm so proud of you for trying.
Renee
I would love to receive a cake for that. Yeah, I would love to receive a cake.
Jade
Everything should be spelled wrong.
Courtney
Not congratulations with a cake, you know, and then a Z at the end. Congratulations.
Jade
I love it.
Courtney
And it's something we say, you know, it's like, just because you fail doesn't make you a failure. And really knowing that, like, your identity is not in the failing, because failure actually presents an opportunity for a lot of learning. Like, a lot of the greatest victories happen after the worst failures because you need to experiment and know what doesn't work in order to know what will work. And I love, love, love that you highlighted that because women are socialized not to fail. Perfectionism, Superwoman syndrome, Like, we're riddled with it because we have to be perfect. We're kind of taught that, like, failure has enormous social consequences. Like, your whole. Your failure here can ruin your reputation for life. So don't. Or your failure here can ruin your prospects for marriage. So don't do that.
Jade
The sense of permanence.
Courtney
Yeah, it's like you will be Scarlet A.
Renee
Right.
Courtney
It's like the. You are going to be marked for the rest of your life when actually that's not how life works. And I love that you highlighted being around people who can celebrate that, because the only way that Scarlet A gets branded on you is if other people uphold this view of your failure and will not let you grow past it. If people keep reminding you of that time you failed, you can never lose that part of your identity. So you actually need to be around people who do not hold that over your head as well, but allow you to actually move past it. But then talking about fear of the future, like you said, even when you're introducing yourself, you're an ex study tuber.
Renee
Yeah.
Courtney
And I can only imagine, obviously, you recently graduated.
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Courtney
We love A Graduates. We love A graduates. I can only imagine the anxiety that you were filled with upon graduating and realizing a lot of your content has been about education and now you're no longer in like formal education. What does the future of your content look like and the future for you as a creator as well as just this amazing being on the Internet. Who makes the Internet such a bright place?
Renee
So sunny. Yeah, genuinely, literally feels like when I go on like Jade's videos it's like ah, sunshine. You know what I mean? Like it's like I've turned on the light. It's really nice.
Courtney
It's nice.
Renee
Great stuff.
Jade
God, so complimentary. My love language is words of affirmation.
Renee
Oh, you are in the right place. You're in the right place.
Jade
I'm amazing future of my content. I think because I have had so many pivots in my life, in my early life, I am increasingly less scared of uncertainty. And coming out of university I decided to actually just go home. Right. To not jump into like a brand new career, to not go all in on like my social media and find the next study tube and instantly have it all figured out. I actually realize I'm kind of burnt out. It's been a big degree. I wrote a book during my degree as well, like managed the YouTube channel, lived in six places. Just it was a lot. It was a lot. It was a lot. And I think being able to recognize it was a lot and then truly let myself rest was a huge like empowering decision I made because I just went back to my hometown, went to my childhood bedroom and I said it Is fine that I have no idea. And I almost like. So you've got to think about your personal brand a little bit, right? Oh, I was a study tuber. Like, what am I now? And I almost let myself adopt the identity of Jade in uncertainty. That's my brand now. And that can also be an empowering brand for people. I think we need to normalize that. As a high achiever, you can also have no idea what you're doing. You're still worthy of success, like whether you're on like a specific trajectory or not. Like, you're allowed to step off the trajectory, have a little breather, be like, what do I actually want? And still have worth. And yeah, this whole year has just been a year of so much internal growth, so much internal challenge, a year of like a lot of therapy, a lot of changes in my personal life, a lot of working on my relationship with my parents in new ways, questioning what I want to do with myself work wise, where I want to be, who I want to be surrounded with. Like, it's. There's been like a lot of adult questions that don't have a lot of like celebratory, tangible answers. And I think as someone on social media, you like to have the celebratory answers.
Renee
Yeah.
Jade
So it's been hard not having those. But in this next chapter of me, I realized that I really value mindfulness and it's kind of been a hidden theme of everything that I've ever done with study tube.
Courtney
Right.
Jade
Yeah. Like caring about students, mental health, wanting them to feel more relaxed when they have an exam, encouraging young people to meditate and like have this better sense of self through tools of introspection. So I'm leaning into that for now. And we'll see. We'll see. It's gonna evolve.
Renee
We'll see. This might actually be a really good opportunity to talk about some of the upcoming things that are also being produced by the wonderful Jade. Something along the lines of casual magic.
Courtney
Yeah.
Renee
Which is a really fantastic phrase that Jade has been sharing over the course of the last few kind of months or years and this idea of enjoying the mundane or finding the beauty in the mundane. So speak to us about what we can look forward to quite imminently.
Jade
Yes. So, yes, this concept of casual magic is something I've carried through all the chapters of me online and is this idea that most of the time we wait for the 1% of days in life to be happy, the extraordinary days around, like the birthday, the job promotion, the wedding, we have so much anticipation about those days. But 99% of our lives are spent in really average, mundane routines. I just think it's so sad that we wouldn't find a way to really romanticize and enjoy those 99% of days. And this idea of casual magic is finding magic in the casual. You know, like romanticizing just the beauty and the mundane every day. And I am starting a podcast.
Courtney
We love that around here.
Jade
Yeah.
Renee
I'm saying hopefully you heard that here first.
Jade
Me, always big role models. Yeah. So it's called finding your casual magic, and it's going to be alternating episodes where one episode will be a solo episode, another will be a guest episode, exploring all kinds of themes related to this intersection of being an ambitious person who wants to do incredible things in the world, but also genuinely wants to be content, and how our authentic joy can sometimes be in opposition to the illusion of success. And I want to go again.
Renee
There she go again.
Courtney
It's so deep because it's so true. When you are a highly ambitious person, the mundane feels like the failure.
Renee
Yeah.
Courtney
It's like nothing is happening, so I must be doing something wrong. And it's like, actually, this is the majority of life. And I love that you said it. It's like mundane routine. And that's actually what builds towards those big successes. Right. But those are those, like, quantifiable, celebratory moments that people could come. They bring the cake, they bring the card, and you're like, oh, okay, cool. Like, everything makes sense. All the hard work was worth it. But no one's there cheering for you. When you've just consistently woken up at whatever time and had your coffee, you've.
Jade
Got eight hours of sleep.
Courtney
You know, well done. In fact, they'll call you lazy.
Jade
Yeah.
Courtney
Muscle culture.
Renee
They will say that you should have woken up at least four hours ago.
Jade
Yes.
Renee
Of space, crack of daughter. You're still snoring.
Courtney
How you going to make a million? So, J, did you get. Why eight hours of sleep?
Ryan Reynolds
God.
Courtney
Boo.
Renee
Tomatoes.
Courtney
0 out of 10.
Jade
Legit, though, mental.
Renee
Image of someone throwing a tomato at you as you wake up. Like, I've woken up at 6:45.
Courtney
Especially because people will post their morning routine and they've actually conquered the world and climbed out.
Jade
Amen.
Courtney
By the time you've woken up.
Jade
Yeah.
Renee
Oppressive.
Courtney
Yeah, it's very oppressive. So this idea of, like, the casual life that we all live, like, even your favorite, most inspiring YouTuber is living a casual and mundane life most of the time. And just because, you know, they get to post the highlights on instagram doesn't mean that mundaneness is not taking place. And I love that, especially because I think for people who are listening, it's easy to listen to people like us and think every day is like that.
Renee
Yeah.
Courtney
And then want your life to reflect that when actually our life is probably as mundane as yours. It's just that our success is a platform.
Jade
Yes.
Courtney
Public than yours. And so for somebody listening, how do you go about embracing casual magic? Obviously, like, give us a teaser.
Jade
Okay. I think it is about training your brain into the habit of noticing small beauty. So I think you can start really like with the obvious things. So say you're walking along a summer night and you look up in the sky and the sun is setting and the sky is like lavender and rose colored and just gorgeous. Like the gradient is just like it's stunning. Like, it's very easy in those moments to kind of reflect and be like, you know, I'm grateful to be alive today.
Renee
Yeah.
Jade
And to me, like, those are the moments that are casual magic. Right. Like a sunset is completely free. Like, you didn't have to go and view it. It was going to be there whether you were there or not. It's casually magic. And I think taking that feeling that you get from that beautiful thing and trying to project it onto things that may be less tangibly beautiful. Like having your herbal tea in the morning. In my case, like, I, I just, I love my tea. It's a habit I've done, I've drank my tea, you know, my whole life. But just taking that like one extra tiny moment to express gratitude and think that's actually really, it's really special that I get to have this. Yeah.
Renee
I love that so much. Listen, I'm a coffee person. That morning coffee, like, I don't know if it's like associated with like getting older, but I feel like, I feel like the older you get it.
Courtney
Oh, wow. Yeah.
Renee
This is so beautiful. Like, oh, I had time to make my coffee this morning and I really enjoyed the way that I. So tangential, but I got a milk froth on that brought me. That has brought me so much joy. Literally it was like 5.99 on Amazon at the time. It has brought me so much joy because now I get like frothy milk on top of my, my coffee. But I love what you were saying around, you know, really enjoying the mundane moments, the beauty and the awe in the mundane. Because honestly, it is such a beautiful thing to be alive. It's a beautiful thing to be able to have routines. It's a beautiful thing to be able to rest in the mundaneness. Right. So I love that you said that, and I also love what you were saying earlier around the reality of adulting and having to confront certain things and certain elements about your life that may have been challenging but are also super necessary. And it's often something that we talk about on this podcast, too. We are a podcast that is very much around relationships. We are very much around community. We are very much big on maintaining those relationships, but also creating spaces for us to thrive as women within our relationships. Right. So for you, as a YouTuber, as somebody that has been platformed, as somebody that has gone through that journey, what does it look like for you to intentionally take the time to either build, mend, or maintain your relationships? And how has it developed or. And how have you prioritized it over time?
Jade
I used to be the worst friend. Or like, I used to be a very good in person friend, but a really poor texter caller.
Courtney
Please. I did this part. I need this part for me because that's where I'm at right now. I'm a great in person friend, but as soon as I leave you.
Jade
Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're gonna be questioning us.
Renee
You guys are some Mary Poppins friends.
Courtney
Just out of here.
Renee
The umbrella.
Jade
I will be present with you when we're in person. Like, I will hold you in everything. I will create good space and I will leave and I'll never reply to your text again. No, that was me. That was past me. I've healed this pattern.
Renee
Reveal.
Jade
Please speak to us.
Renee
Speak to us.
Jade
Yeah, I think a few things went into that. One of which was having a YouTube channel and having a million notifications every day and, like, going on my phone and that feeling, like, such an exhausting place because, oh, I'm getting so many comments and dms and almost like, I almost read it sometimes through the lens of productivity, like, yeah, oh, it's actually productive for me to, like, respond to comments because I'm, like, building a community. But, oh, replying to my friend about, like, their love life. I don't know. Like, it's. Even though it's. That my entire mindset on this has shifted so much. That is so much more essential.
Renee
Yeah.
Jade
But at the time, didn't feel it. And I think also I was very avoidant and I think I was someone who. So to be honest, it's very British.
Courtney
Yeah.
Jade
Indirect culture. Like, the second anything, like, got a little, like, deep or like, I felt guilty, for example, not replying for like, a week Rather than dealing with those feelings of guilt, I just run. I'd be like, I cannot handle that. I have not replied to you for like a week. And so it goes up to a month or it goes to like six months because I don't want to do the apology, you know. And then they like come back in and they're like, jade, are you okay? Like, you know, just reaching out. Like they're not even, they're not even pressuring me. It's just like an internal pressure that I put on myself. It's like perfectionism that I'm trying to bring to the way of texting. And yeah, so my avoidance meant that I would rather end a friendship than have a conversation about my habits in that friendship. Geez. But the wake up call came when in my gap year, I lost basically all my friends from secondary school.
Renee
Wow.
Jade
Because when you see your friends in contextual settings every day, like we exist in this context of school convenience, you don't have to put in like effort that's maybe like a nuisance for you. Yeah. And so I always was a great friend and then would just never reply to their messages in the gap year. And then these friendships fizzled out and it was like this like mini, like heartbreak that I knew was like fully me having done that. And then I went to university and all my friends were from all around the world and I was only one from the uk. And it dawned on me in the summers that one day, the feeling of summer when we all go back to, like our home countries ordering internships all scattered around the world again, that is how my life is going to be after uni. And however I'm maintaining my friendships in the summers is how my friendship is going to be when I end uni. And if I don't feel close to my uni friends by the end of summer, I will not feel close to them when life, when real life happens. And so in like second, third year summers, I basically realize I have to learn the skill of being a good friend, a good long distance friend. And I have to admit that I'm rubbish at it right now. And I can ask for help, I can ask my friends, I can say, like, I'm so sorry, like, here's what happens when I don't reply to you for a week. I get these big feelings of guilt which makes me not want to reply to you. And like, the way that you can help me out is send me like a casual text, right? Like a low expectation text to help me back into that conversation. And the most life changing thing that I now do, which I recommend to every sister listening. And to Courtney, I was actually taking mental men.
Courtney
How am I going?
Jade
This is for men.
Courtney
Yeah.
Jade
Is recurring scheduled calls.
Courtney
You know what, There you go.
Jade
Recurring scheduled calls have changed my life and changed my friendships. So I have a recurring call with all my closest friends and they're set different amounts of time based on the level of closeness, based on the level of capacity we have. So my best friend, she lives in Vietnam. I call her every Single Friday at 10am And I have called her every single Friday since university ended. I've not seen her for over a year and a half and I still feel extremely close to her. And especially if you're not a texter, this reduces all the friction of like, when are you free?
Renee
Yeah.
Jade
How's your schedule looking?
Courtney
It's the end of.
Jade
It's the worst, especially time zones.
Renee
Oh, give up, give up.
Jade
Eight hours, give up.
Renee
She said, you guys on the same landmass and it's still annoying.
Courtney
No, but it's hard.
Jade
Like I get it back to back.
Courtney
Text to be like, can you do this date?
Renee
No.
Courtney
Can you do. Yeah.
Jade
And you lose momentum.
Courtney
Yeah. You're done.
Jade
Or you tried to meet up once. One person cancels. Lost momentum, you're done. And I think having the schedule call, it just takes away all the friction.
Renee
Yeah.
Jade
Because you have a, you have a date in the calendar. Like I have some friends every six weeks, it's in the calendar. Every two months or every six months even.
Courtney
Yeah.
Jade
But it's just there so that you, you feel this level of closeness because you both put in that mutual effort to decide that time and it's going to come around, it's going to remind you of them at some point. And that's how I maintain all my closest friendships and how I feel like I have the best community. I feel so poured into. I feel like I pour deeply into the people I love and it just changed my life. And now I, I can proudly say that I am a good friend and I believe that I am a good friend.
Courtney
Just, you know what? You've changed my life. I needed that. No, no, no. I needed that. No, because you know what? Yeah. Friendships are hard.
Jade
They are.
Courtney
And I think when your friends also know you've got a book on friendship.
Jade
It'S like, oh my God, the irony, Right?
Courtney
Yeah, ironicle.
Renee
That's how people now come and do. What do you call it? A spiritual me. A campaign against you.
Courtney
Against me? No, like in all vulnerability, it's actually Been a huge sense of anxiety for me because I get very overwhelmed by text messages. Messages like there are very few people I can text back to back. And it has to be like an immediate thing. If I do not reply to your notification whilst it's on my screen, that 30 second window is done. That window is gone forever. And it's been a source of anxiety because obviously that's how a lot of people communicate and it's easy to communicate. But I am a cool person. If me and you say we're going to have a call at 10am on Friday, I am there on the link at 9.
Renee
This is true.
Courtney
I am there on the link. So it's just like also getting people adjusted to that. Like getting people adjusted to this is how I work. And can we meet somewhere in the middle? So it's actually been good to hear that that can actually run in a friendship and you don't have to. Because I always ask myself, is there something wrong with me? Like, is there something wrong with me that I can't understand? But then it's like when you open your phone and you see 300 notifications or you see.
Jade
Feels like a chore.
Courtney
10,000 emails. It feels like admin. Like the other day I was. I talked to someone the night before. Just sent them a message. I went back to message them the next day. Why was their message so far down? And it's like, I just sent you a message yesterday and this is how many people I've mess message me today. Like in just the early hours of the morning. This is giving me anxiety. I want to throw my phone away. So I think that's the reality of adult friendships. That people don't talk about that. Like, yes, it's about intentionality. But that intentionality sometimes has to take a different form. Yeah. And all of us need to come to this place of like agreement. That that's okay.
Renee
Yeah.
Jade
And like understanding your needs.
Renee
Yeah.
Courtney
And I communicate.
Jade
Which is again very not British. We are so.
Renee
We're so stiff upper lip. And it's actually so embarrassing.
Courtney
But that's that international lens. That's why traveling is so.
Renee
You're actually so. So Right.
Courtney
Because you don't know these things are cultural.
Renee
Yeah.
Courtney
Until you leave these borders and you're.
Renee
Like, oh, you know what makes sense? Honestly, it's like that makes sense.
Jade
No.
Renee
But real rap. I think like genuinely what really resonated with my. With me was that honesty. I am actually a bad friend. Like it's such a difficult phrase to say. Right. Or like I'VE I've. I've really messed up here. And I think sitting with the discomfort of not being a perfect person. Like when you were talking about avoidance and perfectionism, it was ring, ring the call. It is for Renee. Like, literally the call is for Renee, and the recipient is in the room. And just the necessity of having to face relationships head on as well. Right. It's funny, because relationships can often be the places that we think we can hide the most when these require us to be the most transparent in order for them to actually progress. And in that transparency, it also requires us to hold up a mirror to ourselves, because that's what relationships do. We often talk about marriage in that way. Right. That marriage often holds up the mirror as to who you are. But I think our friendships often are also showing us a small, small angled mirror as to. These are imperfections here, and these are the ways that we can actively overcome. Overcome them. So I love that you actually came to a place where you could be honest, because I think that honesty, that transparency, that vulnerability of saying, I'm actually not as good as I think I am, or I thought I was, opens the door for you to have a thriving relationship, because it means that your friend can actually meet you where you're at, not where you think you're at, but actually where you are.
Courtney
This episode has been so good, man. Jade, you are the gift that keeps on giving. No, for real.
Renee
Present Vox.
Courtney
I think it. People don't realize. Well, actually, no, I was about to say people don't realize. You have, like, nearly a million subscribers. Millions of people have realized you are a wealth of wisdom. You're actually a well of wisdom. No, for real. And I think it's so beautiful because you can tell these things have come through life experience. And I'm sure there's a depth of experience that people haven't seen because it hasn't been on camera. And as much as you appear very joyful, and like we said, you're this ball of light in a room, I'm sure there's been really dark times and really hard times behind that that have birthed this kind of maturity and wisdom that comes from life experiences. And I'm just so grateful that even through it all, you've come out as such a shining person, like, not even just in your successes, but that you still radiate light to everybody who comes in contact with you, even though life might have been dark for you in the past. So you are so appreciated. Like, in the system, you were the glowing star of Hackney Empire. Like, we should have put you as the headliner.
Renee
Yeah, truly. No, we were the supporting acts.
Courtney
I'm telling you, you said things that, that resonated in people's spirit for a really, really long time. And as much as we're saying, like, it's these casual drops, you can tell they didn't come from a casual place. It comes from depth.
Renee
Yeah.
Courtney
It comes from a place of, like you said, a huge amount of self awareness and knowing yourself and trusting yourself. And I just pray that that continues in you everywhere that you go, because you're literally just getting started, like mid 20s. Frontal lobe hasn't even fully, you know, and this is where you're at. You're about to change the world for real. And yeah, it's an honor to know you, it's an honor to have you be here. And before guests leave, we get them to drop a little nugget, a little to my sisters for the sisters listening. And so the mic is yours. Drop us something.
Jade
To my sisters. I think the main message I want to give you is that you are enough exactly as you are. I think it's very tempting when we're ambitious, when we have big goals, when we want to make things happen, when we want to be the perfect friend to see that we're not there yet and to like berate ourselves for this half formed version. But I just want to remind you that you are exactly enough right now and that every lesson you need is in the present. Everything you could ever hope for, wish for, is in the present. You just need to look around and notice it.
Renee
Well, they called out a rap. We're out. Thank you.
Courtney
Thank you so much.
Renee
Honestly, Jade, we love you.
Jade
Like, I adore you.
Renee
We genuinely adore you and really like.
Jade
You guys inspire me so much. The way that you operate with so much heart and soul.
Courtney
I'm blessed.
Jade
But you can feel it. You can feel it. The way that you guys create space. Like, I don't know how to describe it, but it feels, it feels like it's just, just us in the room. You know, the way that even like you hold eye contact. Like it's. It's these little things that make me feel incredibly seen and, and held and make me feel like I can be my authentic self in this space. So thank you. It's okay.
Courtney
We're glad to get that feedback.
Renee
Rate the podcast five stars as you're listening to this episode. But honestly, Jade, it has been such an honor to have you to drop you with a little quick prayer, something that we like to do. It's a practice that we have here at TMS just to express our love for you, but also, yeah, just speak life into you and also just make sure that you are starting this next chapter of your life with all the blessings and all the favor that you have. So, heavenly Father, we thank you for the life of Jade. We thank you that you have kept her thus far. And we thank you that she has been a sparkling, radiant figure in the lives of many. And we really just pray that you will continue to go with her as she. Her shine just continues to radiate in all the spaces that she has been called to. And even as she has exhibited so much wisdom, so much knowledge, and just so much grace with the work that she does, we really pray that this would increase in intensity, it would increase in depth, it would increase in even its bigness. This. And that you would enable your shine to really envelop her so that she may be able to continue to shine on others. We also pray that as it pertains to mindfulness and productivity and areas where many are even struggling with that right now, we pray that you would reveal your blueprint to her and continue to reveal that blueprint so that she may be able to go and help others, to inspire others to continue to do that work in other people. People. And we even just pray over her relationships. Lord, we thank you for the self awareness. We thank you for the love. We thank you for the community of people that she has around her. And we even just pray that that love would continue to envelop her in this next chapter of her life, that she may know love that is beyond description and that even in her adoration of the beauty of the things that you have created, that almost childlike, wistful, all gratefulness that she has cherished in her heart, Lord, we just pray that that would blossom to a new realm and to a new level in this next season. And we also just pray for blessings and favor to be in her life during this time. We pray that you would open many doors for her and to her that she may be able to let that line shine before others. We pray in the Lord's name. Amen.
Courtney
We love you. We really do. Please, we have to come back because there's a whole conversation about dating.
Renee
Yeah.
Courtney
That we need to have.
Renee
We need to. We need to go.
Courtney
That's why we need two more episodes from you.
Renee
It's giving part two. It's giving. Literally part two.
Courtney
No, it's an honor to have had you on. Truly, my sister's podcast. This is not going to be the last time you are gonna be around so it's not going to be the last time you see Jade. But before she comes here you can catch up with her across all socials and as soon as her podcast comes out we will let the sisterhood know so you can go and run up those downloads and the five star ratings. You already know how we do. We have a culture. We have an unspoken agreement.
Jade
That's right.
Courtney
Five stars Podcast Delivery so sisters, we hope that you enjoyed this episode. Please do connect with Jade on all social social platforms and also connect with the Sisterhood at To My Sisterhood. On every social platform. We have memes, we have polls, we have you chiming in on dilemmas. It's fun overall To My Socials and you can also follow us individually, my lovely co host to my right at Renee Kapuku. And you can follow me at CD Wharting.
Renee
And also don't forget forget to sign up to the mailing list. If you want those weekly tidbits of wisdom, the glowing and growing tips, then you have to be a sister on the mailing list and you can sign up over at www. To my sisters.com to see it.
Courtney
Sisters, we hope that you've loved this episode. There is so much more to come from us, so make sure that you do stay locked in. But until we see you next time.
Renee
Keep glowing and growing.
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Podcast Summary: To My Sisters – "Finding Balance & Boundaries: Protecting Your Peace and Staying Authentic" featuring UnJaded Jade
Release Date: October 13, 2024
In this enlightening episode of To My Sisters, hosts Courtney Daniella Boateng and Renée Kapuku welcome the vibrant and introspective UnJaded Jade. The conversation delves deep into the intricacies of navigating adulthood, establishing healthy boundaries, embracing authenticity, and protecting one’s peace amidst external pressures. Through Jade's personal journey, listeners gain invaluable insights into resilience, self-awareness, and the beauty of finding balance in everyday life.
[01:09] Renée:
"We are so excited to be talking all things adult relationships pivoting, just being an awesome content creator and also casual magic with none other than unjaded Jade, AKA Jade."
[02:14] Jade:
"Hi everyone, my name is Jade. I am an ex study tuber... My content has evolved a lot over the years. I'm very passionate about mindfulness, about travel, about meeting people from all around the world and having this open-mindedness towards different cultures and introspection and kind of self-growth that can come from that journey."
Jade recounts her initial foray into content creation as a study tuber during her tumultuous GCSE years. Facing rejection from her desired university, Jade made the pivotal decision to take a gap year—a choice met with skepticism both from her school and online community.
[08:17] Jade:
"...I decided to take a gap year before university, and that was probably the most pivotal decision I've ever made in my entire life."
Despite societal and institutional disapproval, Jade embraced the opportunity to travel Europe solo, a decision that profoundly shaped her worldview and academic aspirations.
[11:08] Jade:
"...I was introduced to other cultures, people from all around the world started to challenge, like, the perspectives I had on myself and Britishness and what that means and realized that I was learning just as much, if not more from travel than I had at, like, a level."
Jade discusses the emotional toll of public rejection and the support she received from her online community. Emphasizing vulnerability, she highlights how sharing her struggles fostered a sense of collective resilience.
[17:09] Jade:
"...I find when you lean into vulnerability in those situations, you do receive vulnerability back. Right. Like, you get people sharing their rejection stories, their times of uncertainty, their pivot points, and that really eased any of the, like, big fear I felt in this moment."
A significant portion of the discussion centers on redefining failure. Jade advocates for celebrating failures as learning opportunities and dismantling the societal stigma associated with them.
[25:14] Jade:
"I think one of the things that's helped me the most is to understand that failure is never failure... every failure is just a learning."
[26:31] Renée:
"I just want to remind you that you are exactly enough right now and that every lesson you need is in the present."
Jade opens up about her struggles with maintaining friendships in the digital age, particularly her past habits of poor communication. She shares transformative strategies that have strengthened her relationships, such as scheduled calls and setting clear communication expectations.
[41:48] Renée:
"...the necessity of having to face relationships head on as well... Honesty, that transparency, that vulnerability of saying, I'm actually not as good as I think I am, or I thought I was, opens the door for you to have a thriving relationship..."
[45:21] Jade:
"I have a recurring call with all my closest friends and they're set different amounts of time based on the level of closeness, based on the level of capacity we have."
Jade introduces the concept of casual magic, a philosophy centered on finding joy and beauty in mundane everyday moments. This approach encourages individuals to appreciate the simple pleasures of life, fostering a sense of gratitude and contentment.
[34:23] Jade:
"...casual magic is finding magic in the casual... romanticizing just the beauty and the mundane every day."
[38:00] Jade:
"I think it is about training your brain into the habit of noticing small beauty... those are the moments that are casual magic."
Reflecting on her recent graduation, Jade discusses her transition from a structured academic environment to embracing uncertainty. She emphasizes the importance of self-care, mindfulness, and redefining her personal brand to align with her current values and aspirations.
[33:18] Jade:
"...this whole year has just been a year of so much internal growth, so much internal challenge... leaning into that for now. And we'll see. We'll see. It's gonna evolve."
In her closing remarks, Jade imparts a heartfelt message of self-acceptance and present-mindedness, urging listeners to recognize their inherent worth and the lessons embedded in their current experiences.
[53:23] Jade:
"To my sisters. I think the main message I want to give you is that you are enough exactly as you are... Everything you could ever hope for, wish for, is in the present. You just need to look around and notice it."
Courtney [00:32]:
"A lot of the greatest victories happen after the worst failures."
Jade [00:38]:
"I have had so many pivots in my early life. I am increasingly less scared of uncertainty."
Jade [17:09]:
"...you do receive vulnerability back. Right. Like, you get people sharing their rejection stories..."
Jade [25:14]:
"I think one of the things that's helped me the most is to understand that failure is never failure."
Jade [34:23]:
"...casual magic is finding magic in the casual..."
Jade [53:23]:
"To my sisters... you are enough exactly as you are."
This episode of To My Sisters is a profound exploration of personal growth, the courage to embrace uncertainty, and the transformative power of authentic relationships. UnJaded Jade's candid sharing of her experiences serves as an inspiring testament to the strength found in vulnerability and the beauty inherent in everyday moments. Listeners are encouraged to protect their peace, stay true to themselves, and celebrate both their triumphs and their trials as integral parts of their journey.
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