AI took your job

Summary

Today, Explained — "AI Took Your Job" (August 25, 2025)

Overview

In this episode, hosts Noelle King and Lindsay Ellis examine why landing an entry-level white collar job—especially for recent college graduates—has become so difficult. While record numbers of applications are being submitted, actual interviews and job offers are scarce. The episode explores the intersection of a cooling job market, technological shifts, and the profound impact of AI on the hiring pipeline. Through the stories of real job seekers and expert analysis from Wall Street Journal reporter Lindsay Ellis and recruiting leader James Hornick, the podcast unpacks how automation is transforming both the job search process and the nature of entry-level employment.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Grim Reality for Entry-Level Job Seekers

• Many recent grads are applying to dozens—sometimes hundreds or thousands—of jobs with minimal responses. Most never get to a human; rejections come from automated systems.
  • Nicole Hefty: "After graduation, I applied to at least 80 to 100 different jobs. A majority of those jobs haven't bothered in following up or contacting me to schedule an interview." (00:14)
• Frustration is common as applicants battle faceless online systems and rarely speak to an actual person.
  • Nicole Hefty: "No one wants to talk to each other and I'm literally having to like stalk people online and I hate doing it...the only way that I can get in contact with your whole company is by talking to a chatbot." (00:26)

2. Personal Stories: The Impact on Individuals

• Colton Massey, a recent software engineering graduate, describes following all the "right steps"—choosing a STEM major for stability—only to find himself submitting 20 applications per week for months with zero interviews.
  • Colton Massey: "I feel like 20 applications a week isn't that bad...some weeks I do a little worse than that. But yeah, I'm trying to." (06:14)
• Despite degrees in fields considered "safe," applicants are often living at home, working non-career jobs, or questioning the value of their education.
  • Colton Massey: "The reason I moved back home is it wouldn't make sense to be spending 1300 a month in Philly for an apartment…when I could just move home and get a part-time job and keep applying until I get a career position." (07:38)

3. Structural Changes in the Job Market

Economic Slowdown and Cautious Hiring

• Lindsay Ellis (WSJ) describes researching by speaking to job seekers in every state and learning that rejections are universal—even in promising fields.
  • "I set a goal for myself this summer to talk to a job seeker in all 50 states…And I hear about a lot of rejection from job seekers." (13:18)
• Starting in late 2022-2023, companies cut back on hiring, especially for entry-level white collar work, due to tech layoffs, inflation, political uncertainty, and “hiring freezes.”
  • "Companies and hiring managers were really pumping the brakes in a lot of sectors…they might see how long they can last without making that hire." (14:55)

The Role of AI: Job Elimination and Restructuring

• AI tools like ChatGPT have made junior-level coding and content tasks so efficient companies don't need as many entry-level hires.
  • James Hornick (Hirewell): "When the first iteration of ChatGPT came out, every developer I knew like immediately said this is like the best tool I've ever used...What you don't need as much of is junior people doing the more basic blocking and tackling of the code work because the AI is very good at that." (16:54)
• Marketing has been hit even harder; SEO blog writing and content creation are now often automated, slashing demand for junior staff.

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4. The Numbers Tell a Harder Story

• Despite a national unemployment rate of 4.2%, the time it takes to find a new job is increasing:
  • The average duration for unemployed Americans is now 24 weeks—almost a month longer than last year.
  • "The number of long-term unemployed Americans…is now 1.8 million people. A year prior it was like 1.5." (19:27)
• Most job growth is in sectors like state/local government, healthcare, social assistance, and construction—not traditional white collar fields.
  • Lindsay Ellis: "A white collar project manager...probably wouldn't be qualified for a role in healthcare or might not be looking for a local government job..." (19:44)
• Many are accepting jobs below their skill level or pay expectations.
  • Nicole Hefty: "I had a job making 130 grand...and I just am starting my second week at a job where I am making 60 grand doing order entry." (20:35)

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5. The AI Arms Race in Job Applications

• The job search has become “robot vs. robot”: Employers use AI to filter applicants, while job seekers use AI tools to tailor resumes and cover letters.
  • Lindsay Ellis: "The job application process now in many ways can in my mind be described as a robot versus robot arms race, basically." (21:04)
• Some applicants deploy custom GPTs to automatically produce cover letters for every application.
  • Nicole Hefty: "I ended up using a custom GPT to be able to write custom cover letters. And so in the end, it was by using AI that I was able to finally get a job." (22:16)
• Massive volume of applications—including those pushed out automatically by AI—clog company portals and makes it harder for any candidate to stand out. Both sides are frustrated by the impersonal, rapid, and cold rejections.
  • Lindsay Ellis: "Employers are totally like, all of their portals are getting clogged up…it just feels super impersonal and both sides of the table are really frustrated." (22:34)

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6. Reassessing What Grads Should Do

• Some executives now urge young people to pursue jobs requiring in-person, face-to-face work or roles less susceptible to automation.

  • Lindsay Ellis: "I'm telling my kids to really focus on jobs that really require, in person or, you know, client facing, communication...nothing replaces those relationships that are, you know, forged face to face in a community." (23:54)

• Some young people consider further education or dramatic pivots, unsure what degree or training is “safe” anymore.

  • Nicole Hefty: "Maybe I have to go back to school, get a law degree of some sort…I feel like, what was the six years of me trying to get this Bachelor's degree worth for? Like there's like absolutely no value to this anymore." (24:42)

• Companies are openly forecasting major white-collar workforce reductions in coming years due to AI.

  • Lindsay Ellis: "The CEO of Ford said he expects AI will replace half of the white collar workforce in the US." (25:05)

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7. Coping in the New Job Market

• Many job seekers are mentally exhausted, spending money on career coaches, resume makeovers, or even marketing firms that “promote” them to hiring managers—sometimes at great expense.
  • Lindsay Ellis: "I talked to one guy who...spent $10,000...to basically get his resume out there, make him a website, try and introduce him to hiring managers..." (26:48)
• Others focus on mental health and resilience, reminding themselves the search is a marathon, not a sprint.
  • Lindsay Ellis: "Other people have been telling me, look like this is a marathon, not a sprint. I need to make sure I’m taking time outside of this hunt to really keep my mental health steady." (26:48)
• Despite finally landing positions, many remain in jobs far below their qualifications or in fields unrelated to their studies.
  • Nicole Hefty: "Thankfully I still have a job, but it's not a job that I like. But hey, whatever pays the bills, right?" (27:36)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "Am I just writing something for one AI to talk to another AI?" — Nicole Hefty (00:47)
• "I put my eggs in the right basket...and then you graduate and then what happens? A whole lot of nothing." — Colton Massey & Noelle King (05:07)
• "It’s rough. It’s a lot of staring at the screen...usually not hearing back. Or if you do, it’s an automated response..." — Colton Massey (06:32-06:57)
• "Applicants are really frustrated...they might get a, you know, a rejection hours later or, you know, at 2 in the morning on a Sunday. It just feels super impersonal." — Lindsay Ellis (22:34)
• "The CEO of Ford said he expects AI will replace half of the white collar workforce in the US." — Lindsay Ellis (25:05)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:02–00:52 — Setting the stage: Why aren’t entry-level jobs responding to grads?
• 02:35–09:09 — Colton Massey: Growing up believing in a STEM future, now finding nothing
• 12:59–13:43 — Lindsay Ellis: On-the-ground reporting and what she’s hearing from all 50 states
• 14:55–16:54 — Market shifts: How and why hiring slowed; the role of AI and layoffs
• 16:54–18:14 — Recruiter view: James Hornick on AI decimating entry-level work in tech/marketing
• 18:43–20:41 — The disconnect between low unemployment rates and actual candidate experience
• 21:04–23:42 — The robot vs. robot arms race in applications; applicant and employer frustration
• 23:54–25:44 — What options are left for grads? Execs’ new advice and dramatic forecasts
• 25:44–27:36 — Mental health, coping strategies, and growing disillusionment

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Conclusion

"AI Took Your Job" presents a sobering look at the modern job hunt, especially at the entry level. Recent grads and experts alike report a perfect storm of cautious employers, economic headwinds, and AI-driven automation eliminating or transforming traditional starter jobs. The application process has itself become highly automated and impersonal, leaving both companies and candidates frustrated. The episode closes with reflections on the growing need for resilience, adaptability, and—for many—the uncomfortable acceptance that the landscape for launching a career has fundamentally changed.

Transcript

[Noelle King]

Something very strange is happening in the entry level job market, especially for recent college grads who are looking for white collar jobs. There are these stories about people applying to dozens and dozens of jobs.

[Nicole Hefty]

After graduation, I applied to at least 80 to 100 different jobs. A majority of those jobs haven't bothered in following up or contacting me to schedule an interview.

[Noelle King]

Never hearing anything back.

[Nicole Hefty]

It's just a nightmare. Like everything's done with computers now. No one wants to talk to each other and I'm literally having to like stalk people online and I hate doing it. But how is my supposed to get in contact with you? And the only way that I can get in contact with your whole company is by talking to a chatbot on.

[Noelle King]

Your website and wondering what, if anything, AI's got to do with it.

[Nicole Hefty]

But I also wonder, am I just writing something for one AI to talk to another AI?

[Noelle King]

Ahead on TODAY Explained from Vox why you're having so much trouble getting an entry level job.

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[Lindsay Ellis]

You'Re listening to TODAY Explained.

[Colton Massey]

I'm Colton Massey. I'm a recent grad with a degree in software engineering.

[Noelle King]

What year?

[Colton Massey]

2025.

[Noelle King]

If anyone should be able to nab an entry level job, it should be Colton Massie. He Went to college, fixated on graduating with a useful degree so that he would never run the risk of being unemploy. This is a fixation which goes all the way back to when he was a kid growing up in New Jersey, but really actually growing up on a computer.

[Colton Massey]

When I was 13, I was online all the time. I didn't really have hobbies outside of the recreational cross I was doing. So I was really just like on social media, mostly Tumblr at the time. And I was seeing a lot of these currently graduating young adults kind of talk about their struggles with the job market and getting themselves established. And it was really just something that kind of left a seed of like, I, I'm going to be struggling forever if I don't really get it. I'm going to be broke, I'm going to be homeless. I have to like really, really, really make this count. I have to have a goal that I aspire to so I can get a job really easily after graduation. Right. And that's not necessarily something that every teen goes through, but it's definitely something that was on my mind very young. So in my mind I'm like, I learned these things from these struggling older millennials and I just felt like, oh, I got it. I did the right thing. I put my eggs in the right basket.

[Noelle King]

What were the Tumblr posts saying? Like, what exactly was triggering you?

[Colton Massey]

A lot of it was just lamentation of the current state. During that time it was a lot of talk about like, oh, liberal arts degrees, right? People who pursue degrees in history, in philosophy, stuff that like, they're genuinely passion but don't translate to like the, the 9 to 5 businessman type job that got a lot of like, oh, you shouldn't have done that. That's not, that's not the right direction if you want a successful life. So to me, when my parents brought up the idea of maybe computer science, maybe a cyber security, I was like, oh, that's good, I get to be on my computer even more. But like for money this time.

[Noelle King]

Are they computer people? Are they computer nerds?

[Colton Massey]

No, they're not.

[Noelle King]

What do they do?

[Colton Massey]

My dad was a police officer for almost 30 years and my mom was a kindergarten teacher, then guidance counselor.

[Noelle King]

Okay, so you're like, I'm gonna get this computer science degree. I will be living a stable and well paid life. And then you graduate and then what happens?

[Colton Massey]

A whole lot of nothing.

[Noelle King]

Oh.

[Colton Massey]

A lot of this has to do with a whole bunch of things happen at once. But a good example is my last Internship I spoke about, like, what can I do to get a full time position when I graduate? Right. They're like, there's probably going to be a position for you in June. In June. Just reach out to us in January. That's when all our positions are made. So I reach out in January, there's no position available.

[Lindsay Ellis]

Damn.

[Colton Massey]

Awesome. Cool. Back to the drawing board. And then around, I want to say April ish. I start really looking for jobs and I hear a bunch of nothing. I'm not sweating at this point. And it's June now and I'm like, okay, I haven't heard back. I have to start applying for jobs like full time, basically. So I set a pretty lofty number for myself. I feel like 20 applications a week isn't that bad.

[Noelle King]

20 a week?

[Colton Massey]

Yeah.

[Noelle King]

You're applying for 20 jobs a week?

[Colton Massey]

Some weeks I do a little worse than that. But yeah, I'm trying to.

[Noelle King]

Have you gotten an interview yet?

[Colton Massey]

I have not.

[Noelle King]

You have not? Okay, my friend.

[Colton Massey]

It's rough. It's a lot of staring at the screen. It's a lot of how much at a quick glance does my resume apply to? And then shooting off an application real quick, either through their site, through LinkedIn or Indeed or you know, any of those other job finding sites. And usually not hearing back. Or if you do, it's an automated response that's either we're very sorry or okay, I guess we'll keep looking at you a little bit more.

[Noelle King]

What are the feelings associated with all of this rejection?

[Colton Massey]

Because I am in a okay spot in every other way outside of the job. Right. Like I'm very fortunate. I don't feel as bad as someone who has a much tighter deadline would. Does that make sense?

[Noelle King]

Yeah. What's going right in your life?

[Colton Massey]

Oh, no, my parents are housing me.

[Noelle King]

Ah, you're living at home?

[Colton Massey]

Yes, I'm living at home.

[Noelle King]

Are you living in the basement?

[Colton Massey]

No, I'm living upstairs.

[Noelle King]

Hell yeah.

[Lindsay Ellis]

Okay.

[Noelle King]

All right, keep going, keep going.

[Colton Massey]

No, it's just, it's one of those things where it's like I don't have this existential pressure. I. The reason I moved back home is it wouldn't make sense to be spending 1300amonth in Philly for an apartment to be closer to my friends and where I graduated when I could just move home and just get a part time job and keep, keep applying until I get a career position and kind of keep it going from there, you know?

[Noelle King]

Is there any internal deadline you have set? Like if I don't get a job in coding. In a year I will, I don't know, go to grad school, get a, get a PhD in English or really think about like joining the police force or getting a trade school certification.

[Colton Massey]

For me it's, it's a three month timer and it's mostly just I've been not doing a part time job, I haven't gotten a part time job and when September rolls around I think that's just where I go. Obviously keep applying, keep it pushing, but I want to try and cut down on my student loans before interest starts really, really ballooning them so I can start making payments. Through that I can start chipping away at the daily things without ever dipping too crazy deep into my savings.

[Nicole Hefty]

Foreign.

[Noelle King]

Massey class of 2025 wake him up when September ends. Coming up guys. It is not just Colton. The entry level job market is a Technicolor mess and we're going to talk to a reporter who spent months trying to figure out why.

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[Lindsay Ellis]

You're listening to today. Explained. So my name is Lindsay Ellis and I write about careers in the workforce for the Wall Street Journal.

[Noelle King]

What is actually happening with hiring? What is your job like right now? Talking to all these people?

[Lindsay Ellis]

Yeah. So I set a goal for myself this summer to talk to a job seeker in all 50 states. Really trying to get a good pulse on what looking is like these days, how much it's changed from a few years ago. And I hear about a lot of rejection from job seekers.

[Nicole Hefty]

Hey there. My name is Nicole Hefty and I have been job searching for more than a year now. I think I've gone through multiple three rounds of interviews at different places and I'm still getting rejected.

[Lindsay Ellis]

You see spreadsheets of several hundred rows with each row being its own application.

[Nicole Hefty]

I put in 75, yes, 75 job applications in two months in the year.

[Colton Massey]

I've been looking for work.

[Nicole Hefty]

I've applied to over a thousand jobs now.

[Lindsay Ellis]

I sent out thousands of applications, you know, keeping track of who they don't hear back from, where they are in interview processes People are hustling really hard to make connections to put their name out there, and they're really hoping for any possible traction in a market that feels kind of stuck to a lot of people.

[Nicole Hefty]

It's been pretty horrendous out there. It just seems, I don't know, kind of like a mountain.

[Noelle King]

If I were to guess at what's going on, I would say this must have something to do with AI. Is that it?

[Lindsay Ellis]

That's a factor and I think is layered on top of a bunch of other factors that have caused the white collar market to slow considerably over the last few years. You know, starting in maybe late 2022, early 2023, companies and hiring managers were really pumping the brakes in a lot of sectors. There were the tons of tech layoffs that started in 23, but from inflation to geopolitical conflict to, you know, then the looming election and a lot of uncertainty in terms of polit policy, which, which way things were going to go. If a hiring manager is saying, hey, can we hold off on making this higher and maybe have a little bit more buffer in terms of headcount, in terms of payroll costs, you know, they might see how long they can, they can last without making that higher.

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[Lindsay Ellis]

There was barely any job growth at all in May and June. So we thought the labor market looked healthy, but we just completely misunderstood the.

[Noelle King]

State of the labor market.

[Lindsay Ellis]

And then you add in AI sort of as a layer on top of all of this and it's, you know, the calculation is totally different. So I talked to James Hornick, who's the chief growth officer at the Chicago based recruiting firm hirewell.

[James Hornick]

I'd like to say kind of jokingly that we focus on placing office dorks. We have a team that does technology, a team that does go to market sales and marketing. A team does corporate functions, which is HR and finance. So really kind of anything that you'll find.

[Lindsay Ellis]

And he told me that clients have all but stopped requesting entry level staff. Those young grads, you know, were once in high demand, but their work is now a home run, he said, for AI.

[James Hornick]

When the first iteration of ChatGPT came out, every developer I knew like immediately said this is like the best tool I've ever used. Everyone can get way more done in less amount of time, which you still need. People who are intelligent software architects, senior level devs, people who know how to create and scope out true enterprise applications. What you don't need as much of is junior people doing the more basic blocking and tackling of the code work because the AI is very good at that. The other example where you see this is in the marketing space. And that's the area I think that's been pummeled the most, even more so than software development. So a lot of our business, we have over the years partnered with lots of marketing, digital marketing firms. Right. So think of not just website development, but things like SEO and content development. And a lot of this stuff has really been in the crosshairs of AI. Specifically, a lot of agency firms would have the model where they'll hire a one to two year mark, like a team of one to two year marketers, some more junior talent to write SEO blogs and things like that. But like AI is exceedingly good at a lot of that stuff. It might not write the most interesting, it's not going to write a great novel, but it can write social posts, it can write SEO blog copy, it can do all these things that you used to have to build out, like large, large scale teams to do, and it does it for damn near free.

[Noelle King]

We're always trying to figure out like what is data and what is anecdata. And you can hear one story about someone who applied for three or four jobs a day for a month and got nothing. And that will be the thing that sticks in your BR forever. But the unemployment rate in the US right now is around 4.2%, which is super low. Right. So is there a tension between the one extreme story and the actual trend behind that number?

[Lindsay Ellis]

I think you'll see a couple of other trends that suggest that the picture is a little bit more complicated. Number one is sort of labor data on the time it takes to find a job. And there are two things that my colleagues and I have been looking at. One is for unemployed Americans. It now takes them on average 24 weeks to find a job after losing one. And that's nearly a month longer than a year prior.

[Nicole Hefty]

So I just got a job recently full time, but it took me six months, 75 applications, and I would say probably like six interviews at the job that I did finally land.

[Lindsay Ellis]

And the number of long term unemployed Americans, that's people who are unemployed for at least 27 weeks, that figure is now 1.8 million people. A year prior it was like 1.5. So that's, that's an uptick too.

[Noelle King]

Yeah.

[Lindsay Ellis]

The other factor here is, you know, you think about which sectors are hiring in this moment. You know, much of the jobs growth is coming from state and local government or sectors like health care, social assistance, leisure and hospitality, construction. You know, a white collar project manager, you know, probably wouldn't be qualified for a role in healthcare or might not be looking for a local government job, you know, in a, in a different state. So I think it's also a question of matching opportunity to Skillset and how that goes. I had a job making 130 grand as a sales project manager and I just am starting my second week at.

[Nicole Hefty]

A job where I am making 60 grand doing order entry and I am.

[Lindsay Ellis]

Shocked that this is where I am. I'm grateful that I get to pay my mortgage, but that's about it.

[Noelle King]

So the job application process for a long time has been, you know, there's maybe a portal and you submit your resume or, you know, you send an email to a hiring manager. Is a I changing the way we apply for jobs?

[Lindsay Ellis]

Oh my God, you have no idea. Oh, this has been a total fascination of mine. And what the job application process now in many ways can in my mind be described as a robot versus robot arms race, basically. So what you hear from applicants is that they are super frustrated with corporate hiring software, which for many years will scan an applicant's resume and cover letter and basic details and sort of like rank them based on their qualifications. And they feel like that artificial intelligence basically like forces good people to slip through the cracks.

[Nicole Hefty]

I've applied to over a thousand jobs now and I've only had 30 interviews, counting phone screenings. So I'm pretty sure AI is at play here.

[Lindsay Ellis]

So in response, they're using AI of their own to both craft cover letters and resumes, using the job description and their own stuff to basically like incorporate all of the keywords, show how they're responding to specific job responses, responsibilities.

[Nicole Hefty]

I was able to get a job after applying to over 100 different companies. I ended up using a custom GPT to be able to write custom cover letters. And so in the end, it was by using AI that I was able to finally get a job.

[Lindsay Ellis]

There are even tools though that scan the entire Internet for potential jobs and then just like spray out a candidate's application. Wow. Seconds. So the whole thing has left applicants and employers super irritated because employers are totally like, all of their portals are getting clogged up and it's really hard to tell, you know, who is actually interested versus who is using really good prompts or keywords. And then applicants are really frustrated because they are, you know, they'll look at a job posting on LinkedIn and it'll say how many people have applied? And it's like, shoot, I have no chance here. Should I even still do this? Then if they do put time into their application, they might get a, you know, a rejection hours later or, you know, at 2 in the morning on a Sunday. It just feels super impersonal and both sides of the table are really frustrated.

[Noelle King]

I mean, you go to college, you get a four year degree in data science or coding. What are young people being told to do now? Like go learn to drive a tractor? What are the options?

[Lindsay Ellis]

When I've been asking executives the same question? I mean, both from a. What are you talking to universities about? Because there's a lot of correspondence between business and higher ed, but also what are you telling your own kids? So I talked to the chief executive of a consulting firm in Ohio and he basically said, I'm telling my kids to really focus on jobs that really require, in person or, you know, client facing, communication. One of his children is becoming a police officer. And he said, you know, while AI will affect the way he does his job, you know, nothing replaces those relationships that are, you know, forged face to face in a community.

[Nicole Hefty]

It's been frustrating. I sort of gave up and I have no idea what to do now. Maybe, maybe I just, I don't know, maybe I have to go back to school, get a law degree of some sort. It's very frustrating and I feel like, what was the six years of me trying to get this Bachelor's degree worth 4? Like there's like absolutely no value to this anymore.

[Lindsay Ellis]

And now, I mean, chief executives are talking openly about AI's immense capabilities and how those might lead to job cuts more so than at the entry levels. I mean, you had executives at Amazon, JP Morgan in recent weeks saying that they expect their workforces to shrink considerably. The CEO of Ford said he expects AI will replace half of the white collar workforce in the us. So I mean that, those are, those are figures that suggest that people in various roles, various experience levels should, should expect significant disruption.

[Noelle King]

So you have spent a lot of time all over the country talking to people who are really struggling and I won. What you think about how these folks, many of them young people, are gonna deal with all this? Like the cope. What's the COPE here?

[Lindsay Ellis]

Many people feel quite low. I mean, it's a really hard stretch and it's a hard time to be on the market. And I don't wanna sugarcoat that. You know, I talk to some people who say what's really helped me is to get outside, you know, do some gardening, go for a run, go swimming. Swimming is great. Cause you can't really have your phone in. Um, I will say though, a lot of them are spending a lot of money to be able to hopefully speed up this process and stand out to employers and potential potential employers.

[Nicole Hefty]

I've been working with a career coach and improving all of my opportunities, changing my resume, using AI to help me get there, and it just seems like there's no way up.

[Lindsay Ellis]

You know, I talked to one guy who spent said he spent $10,000 on basically, you know, a marketing firm that's treating him as the product to basically get his resume out there, make him a website, you know, try and introduce him to hiring managers and people who might know of jobs that aren't posted publicly. So I think for some people it helps when they can funnel their frustration into I'm going to do this, I'm going to really push myself. Other people have been telling me, look like this is a marathon, not a sprint. I need to make sure I'm taking time outside of this hunt to really keep my mental health steady.

[Nicole Hefty]

Thankfully I still have a job, but it's not a job that I like. But hey, whatever pays the bills, right? Thanks.

[Noelle King]

Whatever pays the bills. That was Lindsay Ellis there from the Wall Street Journal. Today's episode was produced by Myles Bryan and Rebecca Ybarra. It was edited by Miranda Kennedy and fact checked by Laura Bullard. Our engineers are Patrick Boyd and Andrea Christensdotter. Before I go, thank you to all of you who called in and told us about the trouble you're having finding work. Your stories are frustrating and in some cases quite chilling and I really appreciate you sharing them. Thanks for that. I am Noelle King. It's Today Experience Point.

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