Israel has lost Americans

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Israel has lost Americans"

Podcast: Today, Explained (Vox)
Date: March 12, 2026
Host: Sean Rameswaram
Guest: Ross Barkin (Columnist, New York Magazine)

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Episode Overview

This episode explores the rapid and profound shifts in American public sentiment and political alliances regarding Israel, especially in the wake of the new Iran war under President Trump. Host Sean Rameswaram is joined by New York Magazine’s Ross Barkin to analyze how recent events—including mounting casualties, economic fallout, and open war—are undermining Israel’s once rock-solid bipartisan support in the United States. The conversation breaks down the emerging fractures on both the left and right, the strategic calculations in Washington, and what these changes might mean for U.S.-Israel relations in the coming years.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Declining Support for Israel in the U.S.

• Generational and Partisan Divide:
  • Since October 7th and the war in Gaza, there has been a dramatic drop in support for Israel, especially among younger voters and Democrats.
    • Ross Barkin: "We went from Democrats favoring the Israelis by 26 points to the Palestinians by 46 points." (02:31)
• Historic Shift:
  • This is the first time since Gallup began tracking in 2001 that support for Israel dipped below 50%.
    • (Ross Barkin, 02:41)
• The War in Iran as a Catalyst:
  • The current war, seen as driven largely by Israel’s desires, is accelerating these shifts.
    • "This Iran war...is only going to drive the left, younger Democrats especially, away from Israel." (03:15)

2. Fractures within the Democratic Party

• Divide by Age and Political Status:
  • Older Democratic leaders remain broadly supportive of Israel but object to the lack of congressional authorization for the war (e.g., Chuck Schumer, Hakeem Jeffries).
    • "Trump doesn't care about being honest...doesn't care about the soldiers he's putting in harm's way." (Chuck Schumer paraphrased by Barkin, 05:13)
  • Younger and more progressive Democrats push for conditional aid to Israel and criticize U.S. complicity in Gaza's destruction.
    • "Unconditional aid...does not make sense. I think it enabled a genocide in Gaza." (Progressive Democrat paraphrased, 06:45)
• A New, Critical Tone Emerges:
  • Mainstream or center-left figures like Gavin Newsom now use language once considered taboo, referring to Israel as "sort of an apartheid state." (07:11)
    • "This sort of language would have been unfathomable even three years ago." (Ross Barkin, 07:12)
• Grassroots Movements and Party Tensions:
  • The "uncommitted" pro-Palestine movement at the 2024 DNC was locked out; Barkin predicts the 2028 convention will be very different. (08:14-08:28)

3. Legislative and Fundraising Implications

• Congressional Actions:
  • Recent War Powers Resolution to halt bombing of Iran received broad Democratic support, highlighting a shift in the party. (08:57)
    • Sen. Chris Van Hollen: "Kids in Gaza are now dying from the deliberate withholding of food. That is a war crime." (09:35)
• Pushback Against AIPAC:
  • Increasing numbers of Democratic politicians are rejecting funding from AIPAC and voicing open criticism.
    • "You bring a hammer... keep hitting and you scare the politicians... mainstream Democrats are tired of that." (Ross Barkin, 11:16, 11:55)
  • Online fundraising and small-dollar donations are offsetting losses from traditional pro-Israel donors.

4. Changes on the Republican Right

• Old Guard Holds Fast... For Now:
  • GOP leadership still staunchly pro-Israel, supported by evangelical and donor bases.
    • Marco Rubio: "President Trump's administration will continue to be perhaps the most pro-Israel administration in American history." (16:52)
    • Lindsey Graham: "I'm with Israel. I will be with Israel to our dying day." (17:07)
    • Ted Cruz: "Those who bless Israel will be blessed, and those who curse Israel will be cursed." (17:20)
• Rising Dissent Among Young Conservatives:
  • A new generation of MAGA-aligned and non-evangelical conservatives are growing disillusioned with foreign interventions and Israel’s influence:
    • "Being a conservative... does not mean you have to accept another Middle East war." (18:12, paraphrasing MAGA skepticism)
    • Trump’s campaign promises of “America First” and ending “forever wars” contrast sharply with the current pro-Israel war stance, causing a sense of betrayal. (19:21)
    • Far-right voices (e.g., Nick Fuentes, Tucker Carlson) are channeling frustration, though their motivations are mixed and not always anti-Semitic.

5. Political Consequences and Future Projections

• Long-term Outlook:
  • Barkin predicts an ongoing erosion of Israel's privileged status in U.S. foreign policy:
    • "Even the next Republican could, if they're very supportive, not give Israel every single thing it wants." (25:54)
  • The topic is no longer a "third rail"—taboos around criticizing Israel have collapsed in just a few years, both in culture and in politics. (24:13)
    • "You look at how someone like Hillary Clinton spoke about Israel as our unsenting ally... Now, politicians are not nearly as afraid of violating certain taboos." (24:40)
• The Most Locked-In... For Now:
  • U.S.-Israel relations are ironclad under Trump and Netanyahu, but both countries’ shifting political landscapes suggest changes are inevitable post-2028. (25:54)
    • "It's the most locked in as long as Trump is president and certainly Netanyahu runs in Israel. But leaders change." (25:54)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Ross Barkin: "We went from Democrats favoring the Israelis by 26 points to the Palestinians by 46 points. That is a shift, John." (02:31)
• Ross Barkin on language change: "This sort of language would have been unfathomable even three years ago." (07:12)
• Sen. Chris Van Hollen (quoted by Barkin): "Kids in Gaza are now dying from the deliberate withholding of food. That is a war crime. And that makes those who orchestrate it war criminals." (09:35-09:43)
• Trump’s America First rhetoric: "From this day forward, it's going to be only America First." (19:21)
• Ross Barkin: "The remarkable thing about this Iran war is that it's not popular already, broadly speaking, even in the Republican Party... We've skipped entirely the rally around the flag effect." (21:04)
• Sean Rameswaram: "It does feel like we've seen a dramatic evolution in Israel's place as a sort of third rail in American politics..." (23:36)

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Important Timestamps for Major Segments

• 00:00–01:51: Introduction; framing the war in Iran as a conflict driven by Israeli interests, with bipartisan discomfort.
• 02:18–05:13: Ross Barkin explains the shift in Democratic opinions and declining support for Israel among young voters.
• 05:13–08:57: Discussion of fracture within Democrats, changing norms, and the effect of grassroots/protest movements.
• 08:57–12:26: Legislative voting changes, fundraising dynamics, and the backlash to AIPAC.
• 16:38–19:25: Republican hawks versus MAGA grassroots dissent; the meaning and fallout of Trump’s embrace of Israel.
• 21:04–25:54: Political consequences, comparison with historical taboos, and speculation on the future of U.S.-Israel relations.

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Episode Takeaways

• A Realignment is Underway: Old bipartisan rules around Israel as an “untouchable” ally are breaking down, with major implications for both U.S. policy and political fundraising.
• Democrats Shift Left: Younger and progressive wings now openly criticize Israel and call for changes in U.S. policy.
• Republicans Face Their Own Schism: While leaders and evangelicals stick with Israel, young MAGA conservatives show rising skepticism—especially in the light of costly new wars.
• Public Fatigue and Economic Pain: War casualties and higher gas prices are sharply eroding public support for the conflict and for Israel’s role in the U.S. alliance.
• The Future is Uncertain: After this administration, neither party is likely to offer Israel the same blanket support seen in recent decades.

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For further reading: Ross Barkin’s latest work at New York Magazine includes “Trump has handed the Democrats a new winning issue for the midterms,” “The day Israel lost America,” and “The Democratic Party's breakup with AIPAC is almost complete.” (26:47)

Transcript

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The president isn't the most reliable narrator when it comes to his war in Iran. You just suggested that Iran somehow got its hands on a tomahawk and bombed its own elementary school on the first day of the war. But you're the only person in your government saying this, even your defense. But as it drags on and the ayatollah gets replaced by his even more extreme ayatollah son, you gotta wonder why we're there. If you ask some of the people closest to President Trump, the answer seems to be it's Israel. Here's Secretary of State Marco Rubio. We knew that there was going to be an Israeli action.

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We knew that that would precipitate an

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attack against American forces. And we Senator Lindsey Graham told the Wall Street Journal that he coached Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on how to lobby Trump to join a war against Iran. He admitted that Israel is driving American foreign policy at the exact moment that Americans on the left and on the right increasingly disapprove of Israel. Israel has lost. Americans on Today explained support for the show today comes from the Guardian. If you listen to our show, my guess is that you value independent voices and perspectives on the news. You want real reporting on real stories, and you don't want to wonder if the news you're getting is being skewed by an unseen hand. The Guardian says they're fiercely independent, too. They aspire to report the whole picture and their coverage goes beyond the news. They have new perspectives on culture, wellness, sports and more for U.S. and world news without compromise or paywall. Read, watch and listen [e-mail] an all new season of the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives is now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney. Mom Talk has just been blowing up.

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Well, since October 7th and the war in Gaza, you've seen real declining support for Israel among younger voters. It's been quite dramatic.

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We went from Democrats favoring the Israelis by 26 points to the Palestinians by 46 points. That is a shift, John. This is the first time since Gallup

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started keeping records on the question in 2001 that support for Israel has dipped below the 50% mark. And it's gotten to the point where it's begun to span party lines, but particularly on the left in the Democratic Party. If you're talking about voters under the age of 40, sympathy for the Palestinian cause and and antipathy or skepticism of Israel is much higher. This Iran war, I argue, at least, is only going to drive the left, younger Democrats, especially away from Israel. I think you're going to start to see even older Democrats grow more skeptical because this is a war, as the Trump administration has said very bluntly, is being driven by Israel, by Netanyahu's desires to strike Iran.

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We knew that there was going to be an Israeli action.

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We knew that that would precipitate an

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attack against American forces. And we knew that if we didn't

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preemptively go after them before they launched

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those attacks, we would suffer higher casualties and perhaps even higher those killed.

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And now we're engaged in a very deadly destructive war that has killed American troops.

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The Pentagon says more than 140 US service members have been wounded over the past 10 days during Operation Epic Fury

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in the Middle east, eight severely.

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On top of the seven US troops

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killed since the war began, it's killed many, many civilians in the Middle East. The Red Crescent says over 1300 Iranians have been killed in one week of war. The war has so far killed nearly 500 people in Lebanon and 11 in Israel. And it's created a lot of chaos for the Gulf states and most directly for Americans. It's raising the price of gasoline. Filling up has become a lot more expensive, 43 cents a gallon more.

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Gas prices have spiked the highest that

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they've been since 2023. I'm paying 40 buc.

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That doesn't get me a full tank anymore.

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So you take all that together and I believe that support for Israel in the long term, certainly in the Democratic Party, is going to continue to slide. And you're starting to see some examples of that now with how the 2028 candidates are talking about Israel in particular.

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Well, I want to talk about how this war is influencing the left's views of Israel as well as the rights, but let's go in that order. So what have you seen in terms of fractures on the left over this war when it comes to views on Israel?

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Well, if talking about the Democratic Party broadly at the top of the party. You still have older Democrats who are very supportive of Israel, but don't like that Trump did not see congressional authorization for the war. So that's the argument of Chuck Schumer, the minority leader. Trump doesn't care about being honest and direct with the American people. He doesn't care about the soldiers he's putting in harm's way. Hakeem Jeffries, the minority leader of the House, probably the next speaker, Donald Trump, without justification and without coming to Congress, has gotten America into a Middle Eastern war that we know will not end well. And then you have a lot of younger Democrats, progressives certainly, who are extremely critical, have wanted to do things for a while now like condition military aid to Israel. I think that the idea of completely unconditional aid, no matter what one does, does not make sense. I think it enabled a genocide in Gaza. People should know people might need to hit the streets again to make sure that the government knows that we don't want our taxpayer money going towards that. I'm not anti Israel, I'm pro people and also are really trying to rethink how the American foreign policy orients itself around Israel, where for a long time Democrats would say whatever Israel wants to do, they should get to do that. They're the democracy in the Middle East. They're the Jewish state. You're starting to see a real shift. And even among the mainstream sort of center left candidates, you are witnessing a change in tone and language. I look at someone like Gavin Newsom, who has been very supportive of Israel throughout his career. He recently called the Israeli government sort

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of an apartheid state.

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And this sort of language would have been unfathomable even three years ago.

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It'd be called like anti Semitic.

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Right? It'd be called anti Semitic and your career would be in jeopardy. It would be the kind of thing you would have to apologize for. It would be viewed as like a very fringe argument to make. And as recently as 2024, you had the pro Palestine uncommitted movement, which was trying to build a protest against the Biden administration's approach to Israel and Gaza. And no one from that movement was allowed to even speak at the dnc. All they were asking that summer and I was there was to get be able to address the convention for a few minutes today, I watched my party say our tent can fit anti choice Republicans, but it can't fit an elected official like me. I do not understand why being a

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Palestinian has become disqualifying in this country.

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And that was viewed as such a risk by Harris by the faded Biden that it could not be. They were locked out. And the 2028 convention, I imagine, is going to look different.

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And you've already jumped ahead to like 2028 projections, how candidates might act. We talked about Gavin Newsom. I get the feeling he might be running. But let's talk about this moment right here, a moment in which Democrats don't hold a lot of power in the federal government. Are we seeing manifestations of this break with traditional Democratic views on Israel manifest itself in any way from the Democrats in the government?

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So federally, the War Powers Resolution vote that just took place in the House, which was trying to stop Trump from bombing Iran, got the support of almost all Democrats. There were a few more conservative pro Israel Democrats that broke with the party, but not many. It was the vast majority supported that War Powers Resolution. So I would say you start there on the level of voting. And I think you see how senators are starting to speak about Israel. I mean, you have like Chris Van Holland, for example, who's a very mainstream politician, senator from Maryland.

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Kids in Gaza are now dying from

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the deliberate withholding of food. That is a war crime.

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And that makes those who orchestrate it war criminals.

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You have younger politicians. You know, Senator John Ossoff has also been very critical of the Israeli government, and he's Jewish.

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Concern for the innocent, especially when fighting an enemy unbound by any morality, demonstrates the values for which the US should stand and which Israel proclaims the same values meant to be the bedrock of our alliance.

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This was just something you would not have seen even five to six years ago.

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Right. And I guess, as you're sort of suggesting here, they can't really do a ton about it yet. But the earliest sign of how this might be influencing where this party's going might be the midterms. And another thing you think about when you think about the midterms is campaign fundraising. Of course, AIPAC has been a major donor to Democrats and also Republicans, but we can get to that later. Does a Jon Ossoff coming out and speaking out against Israel change the likelihood of his ability to fundraise now?

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Well, it's remarkable has been the backlash to APEC and the amount of politicians who say they won't take APEC donations who are willing to criticize the organization. You start there, people were saying, I

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don't think our taxpayer dollars should go to starve children in Gaza. And AIPAC said, really? Okay, we're going to spend hundreds of thousands, millions of dollars to defeat you. Well, I've never taken money from aipac, and I'm not taking money from AIPAC in this campaign. Seeing what's happening in Gaza makes me sick to my stomach.

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Tom Malinowski, who's the former congressman, was running for his old seat in New Jersey. He lost the primary in part because AIPAC decided to spend millions of dollars against him. And he offered what were, in the context of even today, mild criticism of the Israeli government. So there's anger towards aipac. Will it affect fundraising? I think not so much in this online era. I mean, one thing about the Internet is it's much easier to fundraise. But the Israel skeptical position is growing. Or even those willing to offer small criticisms of the government and the APEC approach to all of that has been you bring a hammer and, and you keep hitting and you keep hitting and you scare the politicians and you bludgeon them and over time you get compliance. And there's a lot of mainstream Democrats who are tired of that and they're telling apec, why don't you just go deal with the Republicans, we don't want to be at your conferences anymore. We don't want your money.

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So at the top of the Republican Party you have the Israel hawks. The strongly pro Israel side controls the party. So you have Marco Rubio I'm confident

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in saying that President Trump's administration will continue to be perhaps the most pro Israel administration in American history.

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Senators like Lindsey Graham to all the

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anti Semites, to all the isolationists, I don't blame.

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Forget it. I'm not with you.

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I'm with Israel. I will be with Israel to our dying day.

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Tom Cotton why does Israel have a

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responsibility to provide aid to Gaza? Israel was the victim of an unprovoked, vicious attack on October 7th. We didn't provide aid to Germany and Japan during World War II.

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And Ted Cruz Growing up in Sunday school, I was taught from the Bible, those who bless Israel will be blessed, and those who curse Israel will be cursed. You could tick off many senators who are very hawkish on Israel or have evangelical ties. And the evangelical base of the Republican Party has been a driver of its pro Israel politics for decades, along with the money that flows into a party. So that traditional pro Israel side is still strong. And what is interesting is the shift at the bottom. Just as young progressives and younger voters broadly in the Democratic Party have grown Israel skeptical, you're seeing a burgeoning grassroots Israel skeptical. Magaway Being a conservative or being a Trump supporter or being part of MAGA

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does not mean you have to accept

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another Middle east war, which just seems

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so insane based on what he ran on.

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I mean, this is why a lot

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of people feel betrayed, right?

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But there's also just a real dissatisfaction with Israel among 20 something young conservatives who are not especially religious. They signed up for America First. They voted for Donald Trump in 2024 because he said, you're not going to have a war with me and you're not going to have a third world war with me. That I can tell you. He said, we are not the policemen of the world. He attacked the Bush administration. He attacked neoconservatives. He made a mockery of men like Marco Rubio. He told them that Republican Party is dead and we're going to build an ultra nationalist, closed border, isolationist country. I will end the illegal immigration crisis by closing our border and finishing the wall, most of which I've already built. From this day forward, it's going to

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be only America First.

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America First. And so if you voted for that, you are wondering, why are we in this war? And Nick Fuentes is speaking to some of these. Well, if Trump is an errand boy for Israel, then you got to shut down his government and that means you got to go into the midterms and you got to get the Democrats in and the Democrats, hopefully will impede the administration. Nick Fuentes is an anti Semite and he's also anti Trump. And he said, I don't vote for Trump and he kind of exists in his own wing. But I think what's important to keep in mind is someone like Fuentes or someone like Carlson, even someone like Owens, not all their followers are anti Semitic. I mean, they have a lot of people listening to them and a lot of them are just looking for conservative voices who will criticize what's happening, who will look at the war in Iran and say this doesn't make a lot of sense. This is an effort to expand the territory and the influence of Israel in the Middle East. Of course, again, not an attack on Israel, it's just a fact. Who's the bigger terrorist is the question today. I would say as an American that if we're going to get behind a regime change, it should be in Israel first. And I do think this is going to be a longer term shift. I do think in one to two decades from now, even the Republican Party might alter how it views Israel. And so I do, I do think in the coming years you're going to see perhaps a movement back more to the, to the Reagan Bush approach.

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But in the meanwhile, as you point out, this is not America first. Is that tearing the base apart, the MAGA base, or are they willing to, like in so many other cases that preceded this one, follow their leader wherever he may want to go?

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You know, I guess the way I would put it is I would distinguish between the hardcore Republican who will support Trump no matter what, and they're excited about this war. And then you have maybe someone who voted for Trump in 2024, maybe they voted in 2020 for Trump as well. They considered themselves right leaning or conservative, but they're not showing up at a Trump rally. They're not wearing the merch. They just, maybe they don't like the Democr Democrats that much. I do think there's a lot of more marginal Republican voters who are going to sour on this war if it drags on. That's a key too. I mean, the remarkable thing about this Iran war is that it's not popular already, broadly speaking, if it is in the Republican Party. And that's a shift from what usually happens with wars, where initially they do enjoy a kind of uniform support or there's a rally around the flag effect. We've skipped entirely. We're almost to the point where we're at the war weary part of the conflict. And so if this War is going on. Months from now, if gas prices have not gone down, I do think there's going to be more and more Republicans and perhaps even people who are strongly supportive of MAGA, who do turn on Trump.

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Republicans in Congress had the chance to rein in the president last week. They opted not to do so. We asked Ross if that's just the nature of Republican politics at this moment.

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It's the nature of following him. It's also Iran as a villain. I mean, for like the real pro Israel Republican, they are like the number one villain. The fact that Trump could say, I killed the Ayatollah, even though nothing has

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changed in the country, and his son took over.

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Right? His son took over. Repression remains. And anyone who studies Iran even a little bit could tell you that's what would happen. It's an extremely complicated society with a very entrenched theocratic regime. So I do think for Republicans, it's hard to buck Trump right away because killing the Ayatollah is a big deal. It feels a bit like for them when Obama got bin Laden, you know, which I think Americans broadly supported. So I understand in a way where they are. But I do think more are getting

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nervous just between what's happened in the past few weeks and Israel's war in Gaza. It does feel like we've seen a dramatic evolution in Israel's place as a sort of third rail in American politics, with Gavin Newsom calling the country sort of an apartheid state with people saying America owns Israel. These are things that were, as we discussed, like they would get you in trouble. You would be called anti Semitic. But it doesn't feel like Israel's doing a ton to beat the allegations anymore.

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No, they're not. And that's, that's the issue. You have a war that Israel plainly wanted and either worked in tandem with the United States to begin or initiated and pulled the United States along almost as a. As a junior partner. One cannot say that the United States foreign policy is not linked to the Israeli government. And the shift politically has been extremely dramatic. If you were in the 2000 and tens and used the term apartheid or even the early twenties, you would face censure and probably not have a political future. And you look at how someone like Hillary Clinton spoke about Israel as our unsenting ally. The Clinton era Democrat could not acknowledge the occupation in the west bank, for example. So certainly if you're an Israel hawker, supporter of the Israeli government, you are now culturally on the defensive. And politically, I mean, you have power in the White House, but Beyond that, politicians are not nearly as afraid of violating certain taboos, or what were taboos and are now no longer taboos.

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And what does that mean for our relationship with Israel, for our position in the Middle East? Because it's a weird position to be in right now with the United States going to war with Israel against Iran. It feels like this relationship's the most locked in it's ever been. And yet here we are having a conversation about all of the fissures.

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It's the most locked in as long as Trump is president and certainly Netanyahu runs in Israel. Yeah, but leaders change. And will it be so locked in in 2029, in 2030 and 2031. And in the United States, you're going to have if, if it's a Democrat in office, I do think this will be the least pro Israel Democrat you've seen in the modern era, whoever is president. And if it's a Republican, after what's happened in Iran, after what's happened in Gaza, after the chaos the last few years, even the next Republican could at least, if they're going to be very supportive, not give Israel every single thing it wants.

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Ross [e-mail] you can find his latest including Trump has handed the Democrats a new winning issue for the midterms the day Israel lost America and the Democratic Party's breakup with AIPAC is almost complete. At Today Explained, you can find Hadi Mwagdi, who produced Miranda Kennedy, who edited Andrea Lopez Crusado, who fact checked, and Patrick Boyd, who was on the mix. Tomorrow we'll take you to Hollywood.