‘Tinder for Nazis’ and the woman who hacked it

Summary

Podcast Summary: ‘Tinder for Nazis’ and the Woman Who Hacked It

Today in Focus — The Guardian
Date: April 2, 2026
Host: Helen Pidd

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Episode Overview

This gripping episode explores the revealing and ultimately sabotaging of “White Date,” a neo-Nazi dating site dubbed “Tinder for Nazis.” Through on-the-ground reporting and exclusive interviews, the podcast follows Martha Root, an anonymous hacker who infiltrated, exposed, and dramatically dismantled the platform, unmasking the network’s international reach. The episode also features German investigative journalists who helped verify and contextualize the site’s significance and its founder’s extremist background.

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Key Discussions & Insights

1. The Chaos Computer Club: The Scene of the Hack

• [01:39–02:20] Martha Root appears in disguise (as the Pink Power Ranger) at Germany’s Chaos Communication Congress to reveal her hack of White Date.

  • Quotable moment:
    “I am a researcher, investigator and I prefer to keep my real name for myself because the neo Nazis and the racist networks I'm investigating, they're like some people who are quite dangerous.”
    — Martha Root [02:24]
  • She describes her desire for anonymity and the dangerous subjects of her work.

• [04:25–04:52] Martha live-deletes the White Date site and its backups in a dramatic on-stage demonstration.

  • “Then it logs in into the hosting company, deletes White Date, deletes all the backups, deletes all the social media profiles, and then also deletes all the email addresses.”
    — Martha Root [04:41]
  • The hacker audience erupts in applause.

2. How Martha Root Infiltrated White Date

• [05:45–06:38] Martha explains how the site’s secrecy piqued her interest and how she gained full database access.

  • She describes the vetting process for new members and her subsequent access to DMs and user data.
  • “What I did is I gained access to the complete database of the website, meaning I was able to see all the messages that users send back and forth between them.”
    — Martha Root [06:15]

• [08:47–09:20] Details on user demographic breakdown.

  • 6,600 users — majority from the US and Canada, followed by Germany, UK, and other European countries.
  • Average user age: 38; Gender ratio: 88% men to 12% women.

3. Deploying AI Bots to Disrupt Neo-Nazi Dating

• [09:30–11:51] Martha creates AI personas (e.g., “Ellie” aka “Lil Miss Ethnostate”) to waste site users’ time and collect intelligence.

  • Bots engage users with programmed, ultra-conservative, “pro-white” identities, avoiding escalation into encouraging real-world action.
  • “If they chat with a robot, they cannot do Nazi stuff.”
    — Martha Root [09:35]
  • Example messages reveal users’ far-right views and disturbing behaviors.
  • Memorable moment: A user detailing his “quirk” of leaving racist notes for neighbors, hoping to impress “Ellie.”

• [13:18–13:53] Martha uses deepfake tech to pass video verification, maintaining infiltration.

  • “I basically did that using a deep fake software, meaning I just exchanged my face with the face of Ellie.”
    — Martha Root [13:53]

4. Exposing the Founder: Liv Heide / Christiana H.

• [15:01–16:37] Via surveillance, Martha and allies identify the founder as Christiana H. and trace her business connections.

  • They follow her and an American neo-Nazi on a “Nazi road trip” through northern Germany.

• [17:01–18:47] Journalist Eva Hoffman and colleague Christian Fuchs verify data and link users to real-world far-right politicians.

  • Caution is exercised due to legal constraints on publishing identities.

• [19:04–24:16] Unmasking Christiana H. (publicly known as “Liv Heide”).

  • The reporter unpacks her transformation from gifted child pianist (once married to a Jewish man) to neo-Nazi leader, tracing her radicalization through exposure to conspiracy theories.

  • “She could work anywhere with this look... average woman from next door. But when you look deeper... she’s part of the Ludendorff Circle… referring to Ludendorff, who assisted Hitler in his first coup.”
    — Eva Hoffman [19:51/20:57]

  • Association with the “Ludendorff Circle” and ethno-spiritualist rituals links her to historic and contemporary National Socialism.

  • Audio clip of Liv Heide’s podcast:
    “We are white. We are the white people. The Europids, our forefathers survived the ice ages and came out on top.”
    — Liv Heide, podcast audio [23:16–23:42]

  • Christiana H. ran related racist platforms:

    • White Deal: job matching for “white people”
    • White Child: site matching people for white child adoption or donation [25:07–25:52]

  • Her response to journalists:

    • Refused to answer questions via email; insisted on sending a fax, but never actually responded. [27:23–28:13]

5. Public Exposure and Aftermath

• [29:16–29:52] Martha builds a public map with anonymized, potato-shaped user icons to visualize the global reach of “White Date.”

  • “All the users on the map, their little potato icons, and each potato icon standing for one user.”
    — Martha Root [29:28]

  • Stresses locations are approximate and not identifying.

• [30:10–30:51] Raw user data (minus sensitive content) shared with distributed whistleblower group DDoS Secrets for research access by journalists.

• [31:06–32:14] Viral reception and impact.

  • Martha describes overwhelmingly positive feedback — especially from “non-white people,” who are “shocked” by the content but gratified by activist action.

  • “People wrote me that ... they were so happy to see someone actually doing something instead. And I think it shows that if she put some time and effort into it, there's something that you can do against those websites and ... this racist bullshit can be stopped in the end.”
    — Martha Root [31:52]

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Notable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• “I am a researcher, investigator and I prefer to keep my real name for myself because the neo Nazis and the racist networks I'm investigating, they're like some people who are quite dangerous.”
  — Martha Root [02:24]

• “Then it logs in into the hosting company, deletes White Date, deletes all the backups, deletes all the social media profiles, and then also deletes all the email addresses.”
  — Martha Root [04:41]

• “If they chat with a robot, they cannot do Nazi stuff.”
  — Martha Root [09:35]

• “I basically did that using a deep fake software, meaning I just exchanged my face with the face of Ellie.”
  — Martha Root [13:53]

• “She could work anywhere with this look... average woman from next door. But ... she’s part of the Ludendorff Circle… referring to Ludendorff, who assisted Hitler in his first coup.”
  — Eva Hoffman [19:51] / [20:57]

• “We are white. We are the white people. The Europids, our forefathers survived the ice ages and came out on top.”
  — Liv Heide (podcast clip) [23:16–23:42]

• “All the users on the map, their little potato icons, and each potato icon standing for one user.”
  — Martha Root [29:28]

• “People wrote me that ... they were so happy to see someone actually doing something ... this racist bullshit can be stopped in the end.”
  — Martha Root [31:52]

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Memorable Moments

• The spectacle of Martha, dressed as a Pink Power Ranger, erasing the entire neo-Nazi dating ecosystem live at one of Europe’s largest hacker gatherings. [04:25–04:52]
• The blend of dark humor and horror in AI-bot conversations with users seeking “ethnostate” relationships.
• The bizarre and unsuccessful attempt of the site’s founder to reply to press questions via fax rather than email. [27:23–28:13]

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Important Timestamps

• 01:39–04:52 — Martha’s stage hack and the live deletion of White Date
• 05:45–09:20 — Martha’s infiltration methods and user demographics
• 09:30–13:53 — Deployment of AI bots, deepfake verification, user interactions
• 15:01–18:47 — Identification of site founder; journalists’ verification efforts
• 19:04–24:16 — The background and radicalization of Christiana H./Liv Heide, ties to extremist networks
• 25:07–26:37 — Liv Heide’s other “White” platforms and her motivations
• 29:16–30:51 — Public exposure on the “potato map” and data sharing with DDoS Secrets
• 31:06–32:14 — The viral impact and community response

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Conclusion

In this extraordinary episode, the Guardian unpacks how hacker Martha Root’s infiltration and destruction of “Tinder for Nazis”—using equal measures of technical prowess, AI mischief, and investigative teamwork—both dismantled a global network of hate and provided a rare, unsettling window into modern white supremacist organizing. The story stands as a testament to the power of activism, digital ingenuity, and investigative journalism against online extremism.

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Transcript

[Helen Pitt]

This is the Guardian.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

Today. How one woman took down Tinder for Nazis dressed as a feminist superhero.

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[Narrator/Interviewer]

It was the very end of December last year when the Chaos Computer Club held its annual conference in Hamburg.

[Quo Advertiser]

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[Martha Root]

So the KAOS Computer cup is one or the oldest hacking organization in Germany. And they have a yearly convention called the KAOS Communication Congress.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

This is Martha Roots. Not her real name, not her real voice.

[Martha Root]

It's a mixture of people just like sitting there for three days playing with hardware or 3D printers or whatever. And there are a lot of presentations and talks, but hacking.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

Martha is a hacker and is incredibly secretive about her true identity.

[Martha Root]

I am a researcher, investigator and I prefer to keep my real name for myself because the neo Nazis and the racist networks I'm investigating, they're like some people who are quite dangerous.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

Martha took to the stage to talk about her latest and most audacious hack. In disguise, of course. She was dressed as a pink Power Ranger.

[Quo Advertiser]

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[Martha Root]

I was kind of looking for not too dangerous looking way to hike my face. And also to make it seem a little bit funny at least.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

Martha had been invited to address the congress alongside two journalists from the German newspaper Diezeid. Together they'd been investigating a Neo Nazi dating website called White Date, which Martha had hacked into. They discussed how White Date worked. It's basically Tinder for white supremacists. And they read out some of the profiles. I'll translate it for you. I'm a German who loves Germanic culture and traditions and lives by old values. I'm hoping for a wife to come on this path with me to build a family. I have very good genes. Once the talk had ended, the two journalists left the stage, but Martha stayed on. She had something secret planned, a piece of hacking theater.

[Martha Root]

So like there were some technical issues. So I was pretty stressed because I also could not see properly in this helmet.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

After a few technical problems, she shared her screen. Some code popped up.

[Martha Root]

So it was like first saying that it changed the Internet address of the owner.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

And line by line, Martha began deleting the neo Nazi dating site.

[Martha Root]

Then it locks in into the hosting company that it deletes white dead maps, deletes all the backups, deletes all the social media profiles, and then also deletes all the email addresses.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

The crowd went wild and Martha's place in hacking history was assured. From the Guardian, I'm Helen Pitt. Today in focus, how a secretive hacker exposed a global network of white supremacists looking for love. Before we go any further, I should tell you that we've done something pretty unusual. In this episode, Martha is voiced by an AI. Now I did interview her via the secure messaging app Signal, but Martha then ran her side of the conversation through an AI voice generator. For reasons that are probably already clear, she takes her privacy very seriously. Let's get going. How did all of this start for you? How did you come across White Date and what made it stand out from the other dating sites?

[Martha Root]

So I did not start to investigate dating sites for themselves because like it's not like your topic I'm intrusive in. Usually before the last elections in Germany, I started scraping right wing networks or right wing websites and I stumbled upon it and like went on the website. It kind of gave my interest like first of all because they were like really secretive. Like when you join them they direct you one of so called anti white infiltrators and you have to like answer a few questions and then they, they approve you or they, they don't approve you. What I, what I did is I gained access to the complete database of the website, meaning I was able to see all the messages that users send back and forth between them. And once I was in, yeah like I had like a few funny ideas for what could be done with it.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

I mean I guess there's all kinds of different dating apps aren't there for pretty much every different sector of society, interests. But is it basically the same that you have a username, a picture and then what else do people have on their profiles?

[Martha Root]

So yeah, generally it's like a lot of people have user pictures and self descriptions are usually really, really long because it's often men who like to speak about themselves. And then for strips like the normal stuff that adult taking profile has, for example, the age, like seeking a woman, the location, if they have children, if they want children, what's the astrological sign. But then also the political orientation that a lot of the users openly speak about, that they're National Socialists, that they are openly racist, they play around with imagery of the Third Reich and then that they speak about Europits rather than white people because the term Caucasian, which is more often used in English, would include Jews or Turkish people. And they went to exclude themselves from that. Yeah, it was just really crazy what people wrote.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

So here I've never heard that term before. Europids. P I, D S. Is that how you spell it?

[Martha Root]

Euro?

[Narrator/Interviewer]

P I, D, S. Exactly, yeah.

[Martha Root]

So for example, like I right now have a profile open and seen pictures of a bearded guy. He writes about his ancestry in a self description. He says he has blue eyes and light brown, dark hair. He loves history. And then they say about their political orientation that he's pro white, fully red pilled, traditionalism, ethno nationalism, ethno tribalism, national socialism and fascism. So details on the profiles get a little bit different than for example compared with Tinder.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

Oh my goodness. And so you managed to download a huge amount of data from the user base. What can you tell us about the makeup of people who were on there, who were using white date, where are they from and who are they?

[Martha Root]

So the data that I have from a website, those were 6,600 users. All in all, the large majority came from the US and Canada, followed by Germany and the UK and other European countries. The average age in this data is SEM 38. And the gender ratio is also quite imbalanced. It's 88% men and 12% woollen. In the data that I scraped in October 25th.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

Okay, so you hacked into Whiteday and downloaded more than 6,000 user profiles as well as DMs that they were all sending each other. What did you do next?

[Martha Root]

So I wrote AI bots which then interacted with those users. The main idea in the beginning was basically to just waste those people's time. Like if they chat with a robot, they cannot do Nazi stuff. So they basically in the beginning just existed. And in the moment where users, mostly men, wrote them, they started answering guten Morgen.

[Ellie (AI persona)]

I don't really speak German, but I'm learning. Are you open to dating a man from America?

[Helen Pitt]

Most of My ancestors are German.

[Ellie (AI persona)]

Good morning. Yes, I'm open to a relationship with an American man with German roots. I've only been living in Germany for a short time and I'm still learning German.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

This is Ellie, one of Martha's AI creations. She's 34 years old and recently moved from the UK to Germany for work. She's looking for something slow and serious and her username, brace yourself is Lil Miss Ethnostate. We've used actors to play her and her suitors.

[Helen Pitt]

Your profile is a bit sparse. Tell me more about yourself. I'm looking for wife material and want to build the best life with her. I have a strong preference.

[Liv Heide (Christiana H.)]

Hi there.

[Ellie (AI persona)]

Thanks for reaching out. It's great to connect with someone who appreciates traditional values like I do. Your analogy about men building strong structures and women filling them with life resonates deeply. Maybe we could meet up for coffee or something if we hit it off.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

And are you typing in these questions or is the AI just inventing? Have you just set the AI off to do its thing?

[Martha Root]

They were basically prompted that they should behave like traditional or really conservative women who want to save the white race. And that's why they are on the platform that they should ask questions regarding the political orientation.

[Ellie (AI persona)]

I'd like to learn more about you and whether you truly share similar views to mine. That Nazi time was by far the best we had in Germany. The time was so much better and cleaner without all the disgusting races which now are living in Germany. Would be great to meet up for coffee and get to know each other. Best regards.

[Martha Root]

What was like part of the. Of the prompt that they should not proactively go into like pushing towards a political thing because it would have been like a real problem if my bots would have radicalized people or if my bots would have told people to do, I don't know, like some. Some kind of activism on the streets or whatever. Or harass some. Some foreign or some.

[American Neo-Nazi User]

Whatever.

[Martha Root]

Some. So in the beginning I had to supervise them a bit, meaning I had to read out manually what they were doing. But in the end they were running fully, automatically.

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Do you have any big plans for this summer?

[Narrator/Interviewer]

Smiley face.

[Ellie (AI persona)]

Invade Poland? Winky face.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

Ha.

[Quo Advertiser]

That is indeed a big plan.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

Laughing face.

[Quo Advertiser]

What other interests do you have besides planning invasions?

[Ellie (AI persona)]

I'm really looking forward to summer too. It's a great time to get outside and enjoy nature.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

And did you ever think about meeting up with any of them in real life?

[Martha Root]

One user wanted to have a date with Eli. He wrote the weirdest Stuff ever. So he's living in a city in southern Germany and that he is writing on little pieces of paper to his neighbors which are not white, that they should go home, please. And to the neighbors who hang out with people who are not white, that they please should stop hanging out with people, people who are not white. Gosh.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

And this is him trying to seduce this woman saying, guess what I do in my free time.

[Martha Root]

Yeah, like look, look, look. What, what kind of quirk I am. In the end, my bot wanted to have a date, but then there were like really, really sad messages that my bot did not show up.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

Oh goodness.

[Martha Root]

So yeah.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

And did no one figure out that they were talking to a bot actually.

[Martha Root]

So one of the bots was banned. And then what, what, what I going to do when I get banned? I basically rope the support and said, hey, I'm banned. And they said, yeah, we think you're a bot piece. Verify yourself. And they have this thing on the website called White verification which means that you have to make a video on telegram and sell it to a telegram account and hold paper with your email address in front of you. And I basically did that using a deep fake software, meaning I just exchanged my face with the face of Ellie.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

The deepfake worked and shortly after becoming White Verified, Ellie received a message from an American guy. He's a big anti vaxxer and an anti Semite. He writes on his profile that Jews want us all to mix together until the world becomes a brown dumbed down mass of low IQ halfwits clueless that purebred high IQ Jews have come to dominate everything. He's looking for a like minded and creative white woman to bear multiple children. Someone who still values tradition, family and truth above all else. His big claim to fame is that he says he knows Liv Heider, the woman who runs White Date.

[American Neo-Nazi User]

Greetings miss. I'm trusting that you are a genuine white woman in profile because Liv Heidi, the founder administrator of White Date has already processed your White Verification. If you reside in Lubeck, you're less than a two hour drive from her and I'm going to visit with her and her daughter next week. So I'm writing to you with interest in whether you would like to meet with me and or us in person anytime during May 8 through May 11. Some curiosities I already have would be how you became racially conscious and how you discovered White Date. But we can chat later. Respectfully,

[Martha Root]

it sounded a bit weird. I think he just wanted to brag with the fact that he knows the founder of this office of this platform. From that moment on, I stopped using a bot and basically started writing Hamburg this weekend.

[Ellie (AI persona)]

That could work. I'd prefer to meet just the three of us first too. Are you flying in via Hamburg or staying nearby?

[Narrator/Interviewer]

Martha realized this was a huge opportunity to find out who this mysterious Livhide was. They agreed that Ellie would travel to northern Germany to meet up.

[American Neo-Nazi User]

Let's see how it goes. Catch you at 11 sharp. Unless something crazy happens in the meantime, I'll be investigating what it means to place X at the end of a message. Lol.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

Now obviously Ellie isn't real. So at the last minute Martha made excuses on behalf of Ellie the bot.

[Martha Root]

The idea was that we basically say that there was a car crash on the way and Ellie has to take care of her friend. Sorry, let's meet another day.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

But in reality, Martha teamed up with another activist and together they spied on this American guy and Liv Hider.

[Martha Root]

We followed them first they did like a little Nazi road trip through, through northern Germany. Like they went through a Viking village, looked. Looked at really, really boring things for the whole day. And in the end they stopped at a quiet expensive house. And when I started looking up who lived there, I found out that a person lived there who has a company and that company owns the trademark for for White Date.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

Having figured out who was behind White Date, Martha realized it was time to start making her discoveries public.

[Martha Root]

In the beginning she was basically a non person and it wasn't really clear if she's active in any networks. So I basically contacted Jonas. I know that are experienced with investigations in the far right. Those journalists digged a little bit deeper into the.

[Helen Pitt]

My name is Eva, Eva Hoffman. I'm a German investigative freelance journalist and I basically work on issues of power abuse and right wing extremism in Germany.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

Tell me, what was your reaction when Martha approached you with a leaked database for White Date?

[Helen Pitt]

I was not surprised actually that a site like this exists because I'm working on right wing extremism in Germany and I've seen many things. So I think what was surprising to me was how big and how international it actually is. So we quickly figured out that it's more than just a dating platform or just a place where people go to flirt, but rather to connect and to actually build like this white supremacist community. So once I got the leak from Marta, I contacted Christian Fuchs who's a journalist working for the German media outlet Die Zeit. He's an expert in right wing extremism in Germany.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

How did you go about verifying the posts that you read on there as a result of this leak? And were you able to link them back to real people?

[Helen Pitt]

Yeah. So when we got the database, we compared it to other databases we had of right wing parties, networks, groups where people have their email addresses. So many people use the same email addresses in white date so we could figure out who it is. And we actually found some congress members on, on the local level in Germany. In the end, we decided not to call them out because it's still not against the law to be on a website like this.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

Mm. And so you worked to look into the leaked databases and to try and figure out who is behind these sites. What did you find out about who this Liv Heide character was that Martha had identified?

[Helen Pitt]

So we quickly discovered that Liv Heide, which sounds in German, it sounds like a very like core German name. There's not much more German than this name, but it wasn't her real name. So we found out through the German company register her real name is not Lif Heide, but Christiane H. And we tried to track down her past a little bit to understand how she became this person or how she became the founder of this site.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

And we should probably point out that the reason that you're not using her surname, you're just calling her Christiana H is just that German privacy laws are more strict than in the UK and it's sort of convention, isn't it, in the media that you wouldn't out somebody using their full name, is that right?

[Helen Pitt]

Yes, that's true.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

And what did you find out about her?

[Helen Pitt]

Yeah, so the thing is, she doesn't look like the classic fascist that you might imagine. She's. She could work anywhere with this look. She looks friendly, she has blonde hair, pearl earrings, average, I would say like the average woman from next door. But when you look deeper into her profile, we found out that she's part, for example of the Ludendorff Circle, which is a very right wing association that is closely watched by the State Secret Service because it's kind of a very tight network. That's referring to Ludendorff, which was the politician in 1923 who assisted Hitler in his first coup and trying to, yeah, Gain power over Germany. And so they have a very obvious historic link to National Socialism and they refer to it through rituals, dancing circles. So they do all this like.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

Sounds a bit like a bit like pagans.

[Helen Pitt]

Yeah, it sounds a bit culty.

[Liv Heide (Christiana H.)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Helen Pitt]

And they come all together in certain days of the Year to celebrate like solstice. And under this umbrella of, yeah, ethno spiritualism, they are somehow recreating their network.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

And what did you find out about how she got to this point?

[Helen Pitt]

People said that she was a very talented child as a piano player. So she was what in Germany would call wunderkind. So someone who's really good at something. Extraordinary good. She aspired a career as a piano player and she wasn't very successful. And instead of playing the big stages, she played small venues at some embassies or like in the background at some soirees where people meet. And at one of these evenings she met her ex husband, a guy that we also talked to and who's Jewish, whose father actually survived the Shoah. And to us it was very surprising when you read her text or you hear her talk right now, especially with all the anti Semitism that she was actually in a romance and also in a marriage with the son of a Jewish Holocaust survivor. He said that politics were not really a big topic in their relationship until 2015 when there were the terror attacks on the Bataclan.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

Oh, in Paris.

[Helen Pitt]

In Paris, yes. And there were other terror attacks in Nice and other French cities at this time. And there were conspiracy theories online about an inside job and so on. And he suspected that she got into these conspiracy theories through online videos and she started to also send these videos to her friends and loved ones. And he told us that he once got one of these videos and told her, please, please don't send this to me. But in the end, this might be a turning point where she got deeper and deeper into the rabbit hole.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

Everyone has a podcast these days and Liv Heider is no exception.

[Liv Heide (Podcast Voice)]

What is anti white? To find out what is anti right, let us first define what is white. We are white. We are the white people. The Europids, our forefathers survived the ice ages and came out on top. Thus our genes have been brutally selected and refined for tens of thousands of years.

[Helen Pitt]

Christiane H. Believes in a conspiracy theory that is very common among white supremacists, which is of like so called white genocide. They believe that white people are a minority on the planet and therefore need to be preserved. And they are trying to be replaced by people from other countries and so on.

[Liv Heide (Podcast Voice)]

The anti whites want us to mingle and melt. But having mixed race children in societies would kill our race and our culture, which is clearly anti white behavior.

[Helen Pitt]

We must reject and of course this kind of theory that only white people should date white people is so deeply rooted especially in Germany in National Socialism and the race theory that for good reasons we have overthrown. So historically it's the same theory in new words, I would say.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

And did you manage to find out when she set up White Date and did she have a profile on the site?

[Helen Pitt]

She probably set up white date in 2016 and she does have a profile. And it's a mix of Tread Wife, I would say, and full on white supremacist mixed with some yoga and gardening. It's a bit disturbing, I would say.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

And it turned out that White Date wasn't the only website that Christiana H. Was operating, was it? What were the others?

[Helen Pitt]

Yeah, so Christiane H. Also worked on White Deal, which was a platform for companies to hire white people, only it wasn't a big success. And then there was White Child, which is a website for people who are for whatever reason not able to have kids their own so they can match with some people who also want to donate. Yeah, I don't know how it actually works in real life, but yeah, for adapting White Kids.

[Liv Heide (Christiana H.)]

Greetings everybody. This is Liv Haide from White Date, White Deal and WhiteChild.net I am here today.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

Liv Heider was very proud of her creation, telling a podcast why she set up White Date.

[Liv Heide (Christiana H.)]

Looking back, I am still frustrated that the platform is not bigger than it is compared to these big dating platforms that are heavily funded with millions of dollars or euros trying to push a certain agenda and an anti white agenda trying to mix whites with non whites, suggesting always non white matches. And the movement I see as a pro white movement, as simple as that. And this is actually why White exists.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

And was White Date successful in terms of actually matching these racists with each other?

[Helen Pitt]

I think if you ask the website, it was successful. Of course we cannot really prove that on the website when it was still online there was little columns of people who were talking about their experiences and how happy they are to have found each other.

[Liv Heide (Christiana H.)]

I'm very thankful. The platform I have built has led so far to eight children I know of. I'm sure there are several more, maybe dozen. And I've heard from many members that they are very grateful to find people they can openly talk to and they can even meet up in real life.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

And how did Christiana H. Respond when you went to her with your reporting?

[Helen Pitt]

Well, what we usually do when we do an investigation like this, of course we confront the people who are responsible. So we try to confront her through the email on the website with all our questions and everything we have found out and she refused to Answer us via mail. She therefore wanted to send us a fax.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

Wow.

[Helen Pitt]

And we first had to figure out if we have a fax at the site. Turns out we do. And then it was a bit of a ping pong where she said, lao. She didn't get our message, she didn't get the fax. We called someone to look at the actual machine, and we know that nothing came from her. So she refused to answer our questions. That's why, in the end, we had to say, okay. She didn't reply.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

So she didn't respond to any of the allegations?

[Helen Pitt]

No, she didn't.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

Coming up, Martha takes her neo Nazi baiting to the next level.

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[Narrator/Interviewer]

Once the White Date expose was published in Dside, Martha launched a website where members of the public could look up the profiles of all of these lovelorn neo Nazis and see roughly where they lived.

[Martha Root]

I hate bragging about myself, but I think that that was like, one of the more funny things I did. All the users on the map, their little potato icons, and each potato icon standing for one user.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

So does this mean that you could look at a map of the world and there were thousands of potatoes dotted all over and those represented each of these white supremacists who were looking for a fellow white supremacist?

[Martha Root]

Yeah. So what's really important here? So those locations are not exact locations. Meaning if there's a potato, that does not mean that behind this potato is a real racist or a real nut. It's like the rough area where they are.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

So what did you do with the rest of the data if you didn't publish it all?

[Martha Root]

So the IP data from the users, they're all the private messages or the forum messages. I shared them with DDoS Secrets. So DDoS Secrets is a nonprofit that specializes in publishing, archiving, and analyzing leaked and hacked datasets by protecting sources.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

Yeah, we've heard about them on the show before. DDoS is distributed denial of secrets. And it's a bit like what WikiLeaks used to be, isn't it?

[Martha Root]

Yeah, so what they do is when someone has an interesting data leak that might be interesting for the public, then there's the possibility that journalists and researchers can request to access this data set. So it's not completely available to the public.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

And we first heard about your piece of hacking theatre when we saw the clip of you online, when you deleted the servers not just for White Date, but also for White Child and White Deal, Christiana H's other websites, were you surprised by just how viral it went?

[Martha Root]

Yes, and I kind of expected a shitstorm afterwards. And 95% of the feedback was really positive. And what I found the most positive there was the people who spoke of themselves as non white people who on the one hand said how shocked they were about the statements that they heard from this woman. Like in the. I published a video on YouTube about that where you have her talking about that black people, even though they speak perfect German, they could never identify themselves with German, or that even a person who is like a Jew to one aid cannot be trusted or whatever. And people wrote me that they, on the one hand were shocked about hearing those kind of statements, but on the other hand were so happy to see someone actually doing something instead. And I think it shows that if she put some time and effort into it, there's something that you can do against those websites and like those networks and this racist bullshit can be stopped in the end.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

That was the hacker who calls herself Martha Root. My thanks to her and also to Eva Hoffman. We reached out several times to Christiana H for comments, but we got no reply. This episode was produced and sound designed by Eli Block and it was presented by me, Helen. The executive producer was Hummer Khalili. We'll be back later this afternoon with the latest.

[Helen Pitt]

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[Narrator/Interviewer]

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