Why Western Empathy Might Destroy Civilization w/ Dr Gad Saad | Impact Theory W Tom Bilyeu

Summary

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Impact Theory with Tom Bilyeu

Episode: Why Western Empathy Might Destroy Civilization w/ Dr. Gad Saad
Release Date: May 7, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this thought-provoking discussion, host Tom Bilyeu sits down with Dr. Gad Saad—evolutionary psychologist, author, and outspoken critic of ideological extremism—to dissect the surge of antisemitism in the West, the cultural forces shaping current geopolitical narratives, and the consequences of unexamined empathy in modern society. Utilizing both an evolutionary lens and rigorous first-principles reasoning, the episode explores the deep psychological, historical, and sociopolitical mechanisms fueling age-old prejudices, with particular attention to Jewish minority dynamics, Islamic expansion, and the West’s struggles with assimilation and cultural survival.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Tucker Carlson, Chabad, and the New Wave of Antisemitism

[01:45–12:44]

• Viral Tweet & Chabad Context: Dr. Saad recounts his viral tweet about Tucker Carlson’s portrayal of the Chabad organization, challenging conspiracy theories alleging Jewish rabbis manipulate U.S. foreign policy.

  • “They're an incredibly sweet, pure group of guys…completely meek, Jewish rabbis that are puppeteering foreign policy in the Middle East. Come on, man.” — Dr. Gad Saad [06:44]

• Personal Experiences: Saad shares touching stories from his own engagement with Chabad, highlighting their non-dogmatic, community-building focus rather than political machinations.

• The Rise in Antisemitism: Both Tom and Gad discuss the acceleration of antisemitic sentiment post-October 7th, especially online and through influential media figures.

  • “I long for the good old days of Jew hatred of the Lebanese civil war, given some of the stuff that I see today…it takes your breath away.” — Dr. Gad Saad [08:05]

• Analyzing Tucker Carlson’s Motivations: Possible reasons for Carlson’s shift, including financial incentives, conspiracy mindsets, and the allure of bombastic media performance.

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2. The Psychological and Evolutionary Roots of Jew Hatred

[13:51–21:31]

• Self-Serving Bias: Dr. Saad introduces psychological mechanisms like the self-serving bias—how individuals attribute personal and societal failures to external scapegoats, historically the Jews.

  • “Most people, to the extent that they have to go through a difficult life, will put on that rose colored lens to navigate through the difficulties of life…So let's apply that to Jew hatred.” — Dr. Gad Saad [15:01]

• Market Dominant Minorities: Borrowing from Amy Chua, Gad explains how Jews—often a diasporic, minority group—consistently “punch above their weight,” achieving disproportionate influence and success.

• Cultural and Genetic Factors: The discussion weighs the genetic versus cultural explanations for Jewish excellence—Saad shares personal anecdotes about high expectations for education within Jewish families.

  • “Leaving…to pursue my PhD at Cornell would bring incredible shame. And people would look at you as the illiterate buffoon…” — Dr. Gad Saad [21:23]

• Historical Survival Strategies: Prohibition from land ownership led Jews to value portable knowledge, reinforcing educational achievement as a means of security and advancement.

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3. Power, Money, Politics, and Repeating Historical Cycles

[22:05–31:13]

• Insular Communities & Networking: Tom posits that insular cultures develop strategic networking within politics and finance—resulting in visible, sometimes resented, concentrations of success.

• First Principles Analysis: Hard economic times increase the search for scapegoats, linking sudden rises in antisemitism with downturns and cultural anxiety.

  • “When culture turns economically and we've got a problem, it's like, who's fucking with my money? And then boom, they zoom in right away…” — Tom Bilyeu [24:46]

• Comparisons with Muslim Immigration & Islam: The episode explores tensions between Islamic and Jewish histories of state-building and diaspora dynamics, including expansion strategies and religious proselytism.

  • “If Israel is a colonizer, Islam is a super, super elite, extraordinary, orgiastic colonizer…So if we're going to use, falsely in my view, the attack of colonizer on Israel, then we don't want to start with Islam.” — Dr. Gad Saad [27:03]

• Judaism’s Non-Proselytizing Nature: Pointing out Judaism’s reluctance to accept converts, contrasting sharply with Islam’s expansionist, proselytizing doctrine.

  • “Judaism in its DNA is a non-proselytizing religion. That’s why Jews suck at marketing new customers into their religion.” — Dr. Gad Saad [28:59]

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4. Categorization Errors, Radicalism & The Scale Problem

[31:49–44:45]

• Empathy, Moral Equivalency & Categorization: Tom asks why people struggle to distinguish between radical Jews and radical Muslims. Saad employs analogies (sports, felines) to emphasize the dangers of treating vastly different groups or behaviors as equivalent.

  • “Badminton is a sport. Boxing is a sport. Both of these sports start with the letter B. One is much more likely than the other to cause brain damage…That’s called a categorization error.” — Dr. Gad Saad [34:11]

• Numbers & Proportionality: The statistical rarity of Jewish terrorism versus the prevalence of Islamic terror attacks (“48,000 attacks since 9/11”) underscores the importance of scale in threat assessment.

• Personal Friendships vs. Statistical Reality: Both agree individual friendships do not negate broad patterns or ideological dangers.

  • “The fact that there are an endless number of beautifully peaceful Muslims is utterly immaterial to…the trajectory of history.” — Dr. Gad Saad [41:58]

• Rise and Kill First: Referenced as the Israeli doctrine of preemptive defense—praised as an effective, if unsettling, strategy.

  • “There’s an incredible book called Rise and Kill First…What do you do when someone’s coming to kill you? You rise and kill them first.” — Tom Bilyeu [47:16]

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5. Jealousy, Excellence, and Thomas Sowell’s Wisdom

[47:41–52:41]

• Thomas Sowell’s ‘Fail’: When asked what would make Jews less hated, Sowell’s one-word answer: “Fail.” Success breeds resentment, mirrored in sports and other high-achievement domains.

  • “Somebody was asking Professor Sowell what must happen so that the Jews are no longer hated…His answer was awesome…Fail.” — Dr. Gad Saad [48:33]

• The World Cup Analogy: The small number of nations winning the World Cup parallels the frequency of Jewish success—rather than demonizing, study and emulate the successful.

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6. The Evolutionary Dangers of Runaway Empathy

[52:41–59:25]

• Unconstrained Empathy as a Threat: Tom and Gad examine Western empathy—originally adaptive, now perhaps suicidal when unplugged from pragmatic survival instincts.

  • “The whole point of suicidal empathy…is that empathy is a perfectly noble and evolutionarily selected virtue. But…too little of something is not good, too much of something is not good.” — Dr. Gad Saad [54:10]

• Immigration and Assimilation: The risks are not from “immigrants” as a monolith, but from the refusal to distinguish between values and assimilation capabilities. The West’s moral uncertainty and blunt policy cause more problems than they solve.

  • “It seems to me that the policy to say Muslims are a problem would be a mistake…It is a values question.” — Tom Bilyeu [56:46]

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7. Values, Assimilation, and Lessons from History

[59:25–End]

• Defining Boundaries & Protecting Culture: Dr. Saad insists that a nation, like individuals, must know its values and enforce them—hospitality ends where existential threat begins.

  • “When you come to my house…I will put a restriction. You’re not free to wear your shoes. I hope this is a good analogy.” — Dr. Gad Saad [59:25]

• Epidemiology of Ideology: Saad compiles migration histories from Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, and Armenia to show consistent patterns: Islamic expansion has repeatedly forced out minorities. Societies ignoring 1,400 years of history do so at their peril.

• Empirical Evidence: The influx of unassimilated populations correlates with increases in crime and social discord across European countries—yet the West persists with policies that ignore patterns documented over centuries.

  • “We now have current data in France, in Denmark, in Sweden…Do we have metrics that tell us, hey, have rapes gone up or down since that influx? So what would be the evidence that I would have to share with all your viewers for them to go?” — Dr. Gad Saad [63:17]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Chabad and Conspiracies:
  “They're an incredibly sweet, pure group of guys…completely meek, Jewish rabbis that are puppeteering foreign policy in the Middle East. Come on, man.” — Gad Saad [06:44]

• On Antisemitism’s Adaptability:
  “I long for the good old days of Jew hatred of the Lebanese civil war, given some of the stuff that I see today…” — Gad Saad [08:05]

• On the Root of Resentment:
  “Somebody was asking Professor Sowell what must happen so that the Jews are no longer hated…His answer was awesome…Fail.” — Gad Saad [48:40]

• On Empathy’s Downside:
  “Like most things, as Aristotle explained to us, too little of something is not good, too much of something is not good. And life is about finding that sweet spot.” — Gad Saad [54:10]

• On Reality versus Ideals:
  “The fact that there are an endless number of beautifully peaceful Muslims is utterly immaterial to…the trajectory of history.” — Gad Saad [41:58]

• On Policy and Values:
  “It is a values question. And when you find people that have your values, you can connect so fast.” — Tom Bilyeu [56:49]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | |--------------------------------------------|---------------| | Chabad, Tucker Carlson, Antisemitism | 01:45–12:44 | | Evolutionary Psychology of Jew Hatred | 13:51–21:31 | | Scapegoating, Success, and Cycles | 22:05–31:13 | | Categorization & Scale Problem | 31:49–44:45 | | Jewish & Muslim Cultural Strategies | 47:41–52:41 | | Empathy, Assimilation, Immigration | 52:41–59:25 | | Values, Boundaries, and Historical Data | 59:25–64:36 |

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Conclusion

This episode delivers a candid, often provocative exploration of the psychology and sociology behind antisemitism, mass empathy, and civilizational risk in the West. Dr. Gad Saad calls for clear-eyed realism, advocating for nuanced policy and self-confident defense of Western values without succumbing to indiscriminate hostility or naïve inclusivity. Listeners are urged to move beyond surface-level judgments, look rigorously at historical and empirical evidence, and ensure empathy is balanced with the evolutionary logic of survival and thriving societies.

Subscribe for Part Two, as Tom and Gad delve further into the challenges and solutions for resilient, value-driven civilizations.

Transcript

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Gad sad. Welcome back.

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So good to be with you, Tom.

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So good to actually get to share space, man. That is one of my favorite things about filming with you. So I'm very excited to be sitting across the table once again.

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Likewise. This I think fourth, maybe it's got to be. Yeah, I think it's fourth.

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I think so.

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I will be offended if the answer to I'm going to ask you next doesn't work out the way I am. I your number one good question.

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You would be in like the top.

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I'm in the rare. I'm in the elite. Super elite.

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Super, super elite. Very rare fire.

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No doubt about that. You got to cater to my vanity, man. Hey, I have to.

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I like it. Well, speaking of vanity, you. You literally had a tweet go hyperviral about Tucker Carlson.

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Yes.

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So if you had to be specific about the beliefs that he holds that you find concerning, what would they be?

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I mean, he seems to have a bit of a maybe slightly nefarious focus on the Jews or in Arabic, as we say, the yahud, which is Jews in Arabic. You know, I know a lot of guys in the Chabad organization and I can assure you that in no meetings that I've ever been a part of where they discussing how the start of a war with Iran will bring about their eschatological beliefs.

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And so that's what he's claimed.

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I think he's claimed. So I don't want to misspeak, but I think his latest sort of, you know, weaving of a conspiracy theory is that Chabad has certain religious Views.

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What is Chabad?

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Chabad is a organization, a Jewish organization that is typically led by Chabad rabbis who are under the Lubov, you know, the Lubovitch. You know what that is. They're an Orthodox, Jewish, Orthodox community. Their main man was Rabbi Schneerson, who was a rabbi out of. I think he's out of Brooklyn, who passed away maybe 10, 15 years ago. Many of them believe that he is the Messiah that the Jews are looking for. Yes, some do, some don't, but. But really what they are, and that's what I tried to explain in the article that I wrote that you referred to. They really provide. I hate the expression, it sounds woke, but they provide a space for Jews to reconnect with their identities. So, for example, in my case, my experience with Chabad, I was a doctoral student at Cornell at the time. I don't know what it is now, but at the time, there was a very sizable Jewish community at Cornell. We're all students looking for a hot meal. We're poor students. Certainly as a graduate student, I don't have much money. Here is this beautiful home where you can go have Shabbat dinner. The rabbi is going to mention one or two moral stories or parables, but it's nothing hardcore religious. His wife, the rabbi that I'm speaking of and at Cornell, his name was, or is Rabbi Elie Silberstein. His wife was a doctoral student with me. We took psychology class together. She did her PhD in developmental psychology. And it's just a bunch of Jews hanging around and connecting with their heritage, home away from home, so to speak.

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Right? So Tucker has beef with these guys.

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Like, he has. He. He has. I don't know how. What is the genesis of the story, but it turns out that it's really the Chabad organization that's behind, you know, that's puppeteering the U.S. foreign policy. And so, you know, Donald Trump is saying, oh, let me call the rabbis at Chabad. They're an incredibly sweet, pure group of guys who are. And they're not. You know, in Judaism, you don't proselytize, right? I mean, here you don't have to proselytize. We're all Jewish, but they're not. You better get back to the religion. You better do this. They just want to make sure that everybody has a Jewish place where they can go and hang out, in my case. And it's something that I'm very proud to share. I don't know. Do you know what putting on the Tefillin is No. So when you have your bar mitzvah at age of 13, there is a ritual that you then do technically forevermore, once you've become a man at 13, is you have these scrolls that you kind of wrap around your arm and you also put on your head. And then you take the tallet you put over, and there are some prayers that you do, which many of us would do it around the bar mitzvah. And then very quickly it fades away. And in my case, it had faded away till I was leaving Cornell in my late 20s. Rabbi Eli comes to me, he goes, gad, you know, you're a lovely guy. You have a pure Jewish soul. Can you make me a promise? I'm like, oh, here comes the ask. Here comes the ask for all those Shabbat dinners. He said, can you just promise me that you'll put on Tefillin every day moving forward, just as a, you know, reconnecting with your Jewish identity and so on? I said, okay, Rabbi, I'll do it. And from 1994, which is when I got my PhD, till about 2005, for 11 years, I put it on. And typically that's quite a, you know, hefty commitment to. To your religiosity to put it on. But he managed to do it in a very sweet, non dogmatic way. Just, I just do it for me, please, God. And so that's who these guys are. And then you got Tucker saying that it's these guys who are these, you know, completely meek, you know, Jewish rabbis that are puppeteering foreign policy in the Middle East. Come on, man.

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Okay, well, so those are the specifics of Chabad, but is there something that we can glean about either what's going on in culture or more specifically, what's going on with Tucker, given what his audience wants from him? Like, the, the tweet to me felt like, listen, Tucker used to be a normal guy. He's now bending anti Semitic. You weren't that blunt. But if I can just cut to the chase, that's what it fel. And so I'm. I see society bending towards anti Semitism. I've got a whole, like, civilizational arc take on why that happens. It's a thing that repeats throughout history. But I'm curious, like, what do you think? Like, his turn is, why is he going down that path? And if. If you don't have a specific take on Tucker and it really is just questions, do you agree that we're bending towards anti Semitism? If so, why?

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So let's start with the Last part first, undoubtedly.

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Yes.

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I can't remember when was the last time that I came on. I don't know if it was after or before October 7th, but I can

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assure you it was after.

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After October 7th.

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You hadn't gotten signed with Ole Miss yet.

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Yet. Okay, but.

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But it was in the works.

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So in the last two years, let's say. Yeah, I say. I mean, I. Somewhat flippantly, but I. I think I'm being literal. I long for the good old days of Jew hatred of the Lebanese civil war, given some of the stuff that I see today. It's just, it's. I mean, part of it is because you're protected from the anonymity on, online, you know, on social media, so people can just spew all kinds of nonsense at you, but it really, it takes your breath away. And I mean, I have thick skin. I've seen it all. It amazes me to see what people feel. I mean, that person who is levying these things at me is maybe my dentist, he's maybe my gardener, he's maybe the kindergarten teacher, I don't know who. And so unequivocally and unassailably, it's grotesque what's happening in the west, never mind in Islamic countries and so on. Regarding Tucker, I mean, in the article that I wrote, I proposed, but I was very tepid and very respectful and polite. It wasn't incendiary.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Not at all. Yeah. One was. Could it be pecuniary things? It was money. Is it Qatar? People are calling him Qatar Siln or whatever the name they use now. It is true that he left Fox and then was starting to set up his own media company and suddenly he's got a house in Katawa. So it would be very easy for people to say that could be it. I don't know if it is whether he had a bent of anti Semitism in the past, I certainly would have never seen it because my experiences with him were always unbelievably warm. It's not like he didn't know that I was Jewish. I do feel, though, that there is a side of Tucker and if he's watching, I, I'm.

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He's an avid watcher. He comes more than most people. Yeah.

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Okay, perfect. Okay. Well, Tucker, please don't be offended then, but he is a bit of a dogmatic, dogmatic kind of conspiracy type of guy. So let me give you an example. He had invited me on his long form show, which is filmed in this case out of Florida several years ago, and when we sit down. The first thing he says is, you know, professor, your evolutionary stuff, I mean, it explains everything. I was like, oh, that's great that he's saying this, because of course, I think so, too. Then I can see him on Joe Rogan where he says, and I'll try to imitate his affectation, but I'm not a very good mimic. Everybody knows that evolution is false, obviously, Right. And you're thinking, but wait a minute. I remember two years ago when I basically apply the lens of evolution to explain the evolution of your most important organ, which happens to be your brain. And you seem to think that it was such a powerful explanatory mechanism. How is it that two years later you're on Tucker saying, but everybody knows that evolution has been falsified? Well, there's a shitload of scientists that are colleagues of mine that better find out real soon that it's all a hoax, because Tucker Carlson, you know, has said that it's bullshit. Right? So that's the kind of. Or, hey, I'll give you another one. He's always very respectful to me, Professor Saad, Dr. Sa. Then I see him on the show. He's like, if you haven't cured a cold, I don't know why someone would call themselves doctor. He wasn't talking to me.

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Right.

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I'm thinking, how does an educated person, you think that Albert Einstein did not deserve that title? By the way, if we're going to get into the etymology, the name, the title doctor was asserted by physicians. It comes from docer, which in Latin means to teach a learned person. So the original doctors, for example, the doctors of the church, were not physicians. So he will often say something that takes me aback. What was that? But I thought that's part of his charm, his bombast, his performance. He's hyperbolic. And I'm like, I'm. I'm down with that. I love it. But then when it flipped to the Jew stuff, I'm like, I don't know, man. And I. I was so torn. And I. I hope that the article picked that up because I really, truly have a code of conduct where I don't like to come after someone that I know personally that's invited me to their space. So it's going to take a lot more before the honey badger comes out. Sure. But then I started feeling I might be inauthentic and I may not be the truth defender if I never say anything. So I try to strike the right balance in that article.

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Thanks for sticking around. Let's get right back into the action. The fact that Tucker has a growing audience and the fact that he, the way that he is gained an audience. It's very popular what that says about where we're at on the timeline in terms of whether it's Israel or Jewish people, whatever. But there's like a heavy bent towards, okay, the US government is being manipulated by Israel. That's become, I don't know if I can go all the way to mainstream position, but it's becoming a very common refrain that I hear a lot. And so if you had to build up from first principles, why this is a like repeating thing throughout history, how do you explain using either an evolutionary lens or just first principles thinking, how do you explain the cycle of antisemitism?

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Right. So there are the usual suspects as sources of Jew hatred. There are theological sources in Christianity and certainly in Islam. You probably know those. So let me introduce a new angle that is more relevant from a psychological perspective. So we may or may not. In the past you and I have discussed the self serving bias. Have we talked about this? Does that ring a bell?

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I think so.

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Okay, so but let me just repeat it because it's relevant to what you're asking. The self serving bias is a way by which you ascribe causality to either successes or failures in your life. And most people, hence the self serving bias, ascribe successes internally and failures externally. So I did really well in the business because I'm a very shrewd and smart entrepreneur. I did very poorly in the business because consumers are idiots who don't recognize the brilliance of my mind. And most people, to the extent that they have to go through a difficult life, will put on that rose colored lens to navigate through the difficulties of life. And I get it. Now let's apply that to Jew hatred. Literally every single malady that you could think of throughout history. But certainly let's say in the Middle east, where I come from, is attributed to the Jews. And I'll give you some that sound like they're being humorous, but they're not. They're literal. In 2010 in Egypt, in a resort town in Sinai desert in the Red Sea called Sharm El Sheikh, there were some shark attacks on tourists that resulted in a panic in that resort town and a drop in tourism. It was sharks. They were fish. Do you know who was at the root of those fish attacks?

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I have a guess.

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They were Jewish sharks. They were Zionist sars. You can go on Google later and see that, you know, the Egyptian Ministry of Whatever said that they have very convincing evidence that it was the Jews who did this. There is a website that you can go to that lists all the Jewish animals that have done attacks on humans. It could be squirrels, it could be raccoons, it could be dogs. All linked back to Jews. But if we get out of the animal kingdom, if your wife cheats on you, God forbid, it's probably because she learned about this through viewing porn that those lascivious thoughts went into her head. Who controls the porn industry? It's the Jews. The trans stuff that we see. Who was the starters of this? Oh, it's somehow linked to the Frankfurt school and relativism and that those were all Jews.

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Okay, let me ask a pointed question. If Jews didn't exist, would this sort of weird bias go away or would we just insert somebody else?

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Very good question. No, there is something specific about the Jews and I'll explain why. So.

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So it would literally go away.

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Or at least it would be a lot less powerful as an explanation. The Jews are perfectly engineered to be the existential culprits.

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That's what I want to do. What is the architecture in the mind and what makes them perfectly engineered?

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We're going to get to it. Okay, so self serving bias. All successes internal. All failures external. My wife cheated on me, it's because of the Jew. External. So to your question, why is the Jew, the culprit of all individual and societal failures. So here, if I borrow the term from Amy Chua, who's actually the mentor of J.D. vance at Yale. She's a professor of law at Yale. She wrote a. Probably her most famous book is Tiger Mom. Do you remember that book? It was a New York Times.

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I didn't read it, but yes, I know it.

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Yeah. Okay, so she talks about market dominant minorities. Right now, there are many to your question. There are many groups of people who are a minuscule minority in a larger ecosystem but really punch above their weight class. But no group is remotely as close in meeting that reality throughout all of history, in nearly every ecosystem that they go to than the Jews. So the Jews are largely in the diaspora until Israel now in 1948. And yet they are our surgeons, they are our top lawyers, they are our top Hollywood filmmakers, they are the top this, top that. Right now. We can discuss later why there is this Jewish excellence. Of course there's a genetic argument that people don't like, or we can even do a cultural argument.

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Hit me with it.

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Okay. The genetic argument would be that Jews are just smarter than on average. And there are a lot of IQ studies that places them on top with some Asian groups, but really on top. Okay, but I'm going to, I'm going to ignore that one. Let's do the cultural angle. Okay, let's suppose you have a culture that says if you study hard, you're acting white. And it is a form of performative white supremacy. It doesn't take a fancy professor to tell you that's probably not a good recipe for success.

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Aggressively.

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Okay, now let's, let's, let's do the Jews. I did an undergraduate in mathematics and computer science, so I was no slouch. Okay. Then I did an mba. I'm mentioning this not to brag about cv, because it's relevant to the story.

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Sure.

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So I did an undergrad, then an MBA. Then I was going on to pursue my PhD. One of the places that I was thinking of doing my PhD, I ended up going to Cornell was I had been accepted at UC Irvine. My brother at the time lived in Newport Beach. So I come down to visit UC Irvine and my brother is trying to convince me to maybe take a break after my MBA and put on the proverbial suit and work with him. He's 10 years older than me and you know, you'll get some experience and then if you decide to go back to do your PhD, that's great. I wasn't at all interested in not pursuing my PhD, but my mother caught wind of my brother's attempts to try to dissuade me from pursuing my PhD right away. When I return to Montreal and I'm visiting them at their house, my mother, you know, ushers me into a room. I want to talk to you. I'm in trouble. What's going on? What's up, Mom? She goes, I hear that you're thinking about not doing your PhD before I could finish an answer. No, no, don't. I'm going to do my PhD. She's like, do you know how much shame that would bring? Do you want people to remember you as somebody who dropped out of school? So let's go back. Having done an undergraduate of mathematics, computer science, and MBA, and then leaving, taking a break to pursue my PhD at Cornell would bring incredible shame. And people would look at you as the illiterate buffoon that you tr.

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Right, Luna, I hope you're listening right now.

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That's the level of excellence. So it. Now we can also do a historical analysis of why the Jews are so into learning. One argument that many historians have proposed. Well, you can't own land. You can't own anything. But you could own the knowledge that's in your brain, which you could then transport wherever next you're forced to flee. So put all those together. It becomes unbelievably easy for me to look at the diabolical Jew who's. Who's creating the architecture of why I'm failing.

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Okay, cool. So it's right in lockstep with my take on it. I think that keeping the. It'll be interesting to answer definitively once and for all, even though I know it's a radioactive topic. But if it is true, that. And I believe it's Ashkenazi Jews specifically have a. I was hoping you wouldn't

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say that because I'm a Mizrahi Jew, so I want to take all the credit. Tough, tough break, man.

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But if that's really true, and it is from an IQ perspective, higher, obviously, not. Not being any kind of Jew, I'm really left in the dust here. I'm not Asian. I'm sorry, Jewish. I know it's a tough break, but that certainly would lend credence to that. And then also, one thing I've always put in the mix is from a cultural perspective, you gave us a couple touchstones that I think are very effective. The shame of the parents, making sure you're getting educated. But the big one for me is that you have an insular Culture where first of all somebody tries to convert

[A]

you, like, ah, no, don't watch it.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, like you guys go do your thing, like, we'll, we'll stay here. And you try to dissuade, dissuade. And then on top of that, helping each other out, which of course, if you're an exiled people, you're in a diaspora, makes a lot of sense. But you start creating problems for yourself, because, listen, if you really are just above average intelligence, one of the first things you're going to realize is, let me tell you, there's money in two places or there's power in two places, money and politics. So now you've got, There's a great book by Neil Ferguson where he covers the Rothschilds. And the book is phenomenal. And I keep trying to get people to read it so that they can stop thinking about things they don't like that Jews do as like some mystical, evil thing. It's like the Rothschilds were just like, there is an incredible amount of power and money, but you need to have partnerships with politicians because they create the policies, policies can impact money, et cetera, et cetera. So make sure that you're basically hobnobbing with them, that you've got all these connections. And it's like, yeah, that's a brilliant strategy. And people do it today all over the place. Like, this is not unique to any one culture, but insular culture, they find their way to finance very quickly. You're a part of a diaspora, you're a minority. So now you're not only going into an area becoming hyper successful, you're becoming hyper successful in money and power. And so now when culture is fine and there's money all over the place and everybody's feeling good, nobody's got beef. The second the culture turns economically and we've got a problem, it's like, who's fucking with my money? And then boom, they zoom in right away. So to me, it's like, okay, I now have a first principles understanding of how we end up here, why it keeps repeating and why it's always repeating at a time where there's economic strain. Now, whether or not there are things that that community could be doing to alleviate some of that is like another question that we can set aside. But what I'm trying to do is make this a thing that people are not so weird to talk about. Now the question becomes, if people are going to have an honest conversation about this, one of the things that they have to look at. So right now I Think we have this sort of weird head to head thing with Islam and Judaism. And so these two things are colliding. So you've got Israel's managed to make a state for itself, but if you really go back and look, it's like America made a state in a pretty dodgy fashion, roll up on the shores, take things over, spread a little disease, conquer. Right? So a lot of questions there, but it created something great, same with Israel. And so they go into a territory, historical connection or not to me is irrelevant. Americans didn't have any historical connection and I don't plan to give it up to anybod.

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So.

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But they go in, they run a brilliant strategy from where I'm sitting and they say, okay, we need somewhere. We're going to bring a bunch of people in until we're politically powerful and then ultimately we're going to have so much political power that we can form a country and make it our own. And they pull it off. It's not easy to do. But then I look at Islam and I'm like, they're running the same strategy. And so now it's like, okay, well how do people point fingers at them and be like, hey, you can't do it. I know we did it, but you can't do it. And so that becomes this point of collision. And so one of the things, like going through the feedback that people had on your tweet about Tucker and a sentiment that I see a lot is that idea of like, well, hold on a second, like, how can you be against that and for what Israel did? So how do you make that make sense?

[A]

So let's throw some quick facts and numbers. The Organization of Islamic Cooperation, the OIC, is a body of 56 Islamic countries. 56. Israel is the size of New Jersey. Okay, let's suppose we use the appellation, which is an unfair one, of colonizer. If Israel is a colonizer, Islam is a super, super elite, extraordinary orgiastic colonizer. Like none has ever existed since the history of the world. So if we're going to use falsely, in my view, Levy, the attack of colonizer on Israel, then we don't want to start with Islam because Islam literally has the sword of Islam on it as part of its flag. That sword represents. We put the sword to your neck and we give you three choices. You either convert, as has been the case in 56 countries that were once full of zero Islam, or we chop off your head. But mercifully, because Islam is a merciful, by the way, they literally argue that it's a very swift thing, you feel no pain, that demonstrates that we are kind, or you live under what's called the dhimmi status. Dhimmi is the Arabic word for people say second class. It's not even second class. It's right up there with the lowest of animals. You know your place, Jew. Know your place, Christian. Because you are people of the book, we will tolerate you until we reserve the right to no longer tolerate you. When we no longer want to tolerate you, put on good running shoes and run. So there is this thing called. Oh, what is it called? Oh, history. So there is this thing called history where we can open these mysterious things called books that allow us to know what the reality is. To your earlier point about Jews being exclusionary, Judaism in its DNA is a non proselytizing religion. That's why Jews suck at marketing new customers into their religion. Because they do. Exactly.

[B]

From a birthright perspective, you guys are for real in trouble, by the way.

[A]

We're useless. We suck. But the idea is that for better or worse, the doctrine within the tenets of the religion are, even if Tom says you said it exactly right, I want to become Jewish. No, no, no, you don't. Okay, I'm willing to do anything. No, you don't. And we keep putting barriers to test your desire to become Jewish so that you. So that you are truly demonstrating the costly signal of wanting to belong. And therefore, once you become Jewish, you really are. You're not a convert. You're Jewish in your soul. Well, if you have another religion that says, the number one canonical tenet of my religion is to unify every millimeter of earth under the unifying flag of Allah. Do you need Gad sa to tell you which of these. There's no contradiction. Israel just wants to have a small sliver surrounded by 400 million, all of whom wish to see it eradicated. And they're saying, we don't want any. We don't even want to grow. As a matter of fact, when Israel gave up the Sinai desert to Egypt in order for Egypt, with Anwar Sadat, to sign the peace treaty, if they were expansionists, they would have never given up a size of land that's many times bigger than their existing size. But they're saying, just f off. We live here, you live here. We both have a right to exist. Islam doesn't want that. And we're seeing it now in the United States. Go to Texas. Are you familiar at all what's happening in Texas? Okay, so the people who make those accusations or how come God can do this, but not either they are duplicitous, they're willfully duplicitous, or they're ignorant, or they're a bit of both. But there is no comparison between these two ideological systems in terms of serving as a threat to our personal liberties and freedoms. None.

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Thanks for staying tuned. Now let's get back to it. I think it might be more complicated than you're giving it credit for. So when I look at this problem, I think about, so we're all nested inside of call it a woke movement, but I want to back off from the sort of judgmental nature of that and say, okay, we're nested inside of this movement where a very good thing, empathy has run unchecked because we've had so much prosperity for so long. We've just never encountered the price that we have to pay for people that are parasitizing a government. And so it's just run wild and wild and wild and wild. And I'm sure we'll get into that in a minute. But you take that, and because we're inside of that, you get people that look at it and go, well, hold on a second. We made America in a way that's quite questionable. I feel bad about that, and I don't feel like if I were showing up today that I would have a right to take this land from the Native Americans. And so, ooh, I feel kind of guilty. And so as we're getting Muslim immigrants or immigrants from anywhere, there's this sense of, I don't know what the ethical framework is that I stand on, where I can look myself in the mirror and say, it's okay that I did it. I'm well aware it's not them, it's not me, but that's how it feels as they try to build the ethical framework. And I think a lot of people are asking the question. I think I know how you're going to answer it, but I think it's Worth asking. They look at Orthodox Jewish people in Israel who are like, we want to take all of this. Mike Huckabee literally just said that if the Jews took the entire Middle east, it would be fine. So it's not like there aren't people. I'm not saying the average Jewish person feels that. I don't think the average Jewish person is even thinking about it. I'm not even saying the average Jewish person in Israel feels that way. But nonetheless, there are, like, hardcore Orthodox people, extremists within Israel, within the Jewish faith, that do want it. You've got Christians that think that, yeah, that's. That's what God wants. And so that person is having a hard time delineating between a radical Jew, like religious Jew and a radical Muslim. And they're like, bro, it's like, all the same to me, okay?

[A]

Badminton is a sport. Boxing is a sport. Both of these sports start with the letter B. One of them is much more likely than the other to cause brain damage, despite the fact that they're both sports. Therefore, they start with the same letter S. Felines includes my cat Fido, and it also includes the £600 male lion and Namibia. They're both felines. I'm less likely to cuddle with the Namibian wild feline than my feline. That's called a categorization error. Right. How you categorize objects and your ability to do so in an evolutionarily relevant manner is a fundamental property of being able to navigate the world. There are 15 million Jews. There are 2 billion Muslims. It's about 125 to 1. Assuming that the radical nature of the two groups is indistinguishable, it's not remotely close to being indistinguishable. One is about all, say, 13 trillion times more dangerous than the other. But if they were equally so, the radical Jew is just as much prone to maniacal violence as the radical Muslim, you'd still have a scale problem. 125 to 1 numbers matter, right? So I could be 10 pounds overweight. Oprah Winfrey can be 500 pounds overweight, although now she's apparently lost a lot of weight. The fact that we're both called overweight doesn't mean that epidemiologically there isn't a distinction. Scale matters. I'm only. Okay, so history does not suggest that radical Talmudists have been causing huge mayhem around the world, but we do have the evidence for Islam. Does that mean that most Muslims are bad and mean. Absolutely not. Most Muslims are Perfectly nice and sweet. And I know more of those folks than most people will ever meet because I come from the region and.

[B]

But this is part of the problem is that people go, well, hold on a second. I can point to two things. I can point to truly lovely Muslims that I know pose me no harm. That I won't believe for a second that this is taqira takira sharia. No, no, no. What's the. You can lie taqiyah. They're not going to buy that. They've just known the person too long. So they can find hordes and hordes and hordes of people that are just lovely, beautiful, incredible humans, which you have said yourself, you know, just absolute scores of them. So there's that easy to point to. Then there's also like, Israel does some gangster shit in the world. It's kind of impressive, like when you really look at it. And I know that's going to be controversial, but like when the pager thing happened and they blew the nuts off a bunch of people and it was like a 10 year plan to go and develop a pager company, they have to run the pager company. Like it has to be a real pager company. That's so wild to me that they were able to put bombs in those incredible. But you can point to that. Be like, yo, everywhere I turn though, it feels like there's a Mossad agent doing something incredible. Now you've got your Jeffrey Epstein problem. People are convinced whether it's true or not, they're convinced that homeboy leading the most interconnected web of sociopaths the world has ever known, people screaming, mossad agent. So it's like, ah, what? People can point to both of those things.

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They can't though. That's what I mean by scale.

[B]

No, no, they can. You're just saying the scale.

[A]

Yep, exactly. That's what I meant. So, yes, the Mossad blew the, as you beautifully said, the nuts of a lot of Hezbollah guys. That's different than flying planes into buildings. Those are. Both resulted in deaths, but not only were they different in scale, they're different in whom we're targeting. I may or may not have mentioned this in a previous show. Even if I did, it's worth repeating. There are many, many databases, all of which are. Some are academic, some are journalistic, all fully, fully, you know, verifiable and authentic that track the number of Islamic terror attacks in the world. And you could, you could choose which period you want. So the one that I usually like to quote is one that tracks it from 9 11. That's the kind of the before and after as of 911 till today, this database. And that's an underestimate of the real number. So it's a conservative number. 48,000 terror attacks by Islamic terrorists in nearly 70 countries. You can't say that the Mossad is attacking random people in 70 countries. They're attacking usually their enemies in a few countries. So if you took, if we assume we can debate how many religions there are, one number puts it at about 10,000. And here by religion, Seventh Day Adventist would be different than Protestant, even though they're both Christian. So if you take 10,000 religions and you drew a bar chart of Islamic terror and the 9,999 other religions, including Judaism, you'd come up with one bar, that's 48,000. And the other aggregate are on one hand or maybe two hands, Right? So scale matters. Now let's talk about. But my friend Ahmad is a lovely guy. Okay? Iran is made up of 90 million Iranians. Most of them hate the regime. Many of them don't even wish to consider themselves Islamic. They say that we are Persian, right? Islam came and colonized us. The fact of all those lovely, beautiful, peaceful Iranian Muslims play any part in the fact that for the past 47 years they've been living in a prison? No. Right. So the fact that there are an endless number of beautifully peaceful Muslims is utterly immaterial to. To the trajectory of history. So for example, on 911 there were these two buildings called Twin Towers, right? It didn't take 190 million committed terrorists to bring down those two buildings. It wasn't 190 million. It wasn't 19 million. It wasn't 190,000. It was 19 of them. So 19 is a minuscule number compared to all of the other Muslims that didn't do anything. But they're immaterial to the story. Let me draw another analogy. When my daughter, who's sitting here off camera, is going to go down a dark alley, I use this analogy. I use one of many analogies on my recent episode with Piers Morgan, none of which apparently hit. That was a funny exchange because he just said, but Ahmed, he makes really good curry. Come on, man. Ahmad. Okay, so when I, when I tell my daughter, don't go down a dark alley that has young men loitering, the statistical reality is that most men would not rape her. So it is incontestable. The statistics is a lot more than. But my friend Ahmad is a nice guy, right? Most men would not rape Her. But the way our brain operates is it looks for statistical regularities and then uses an adaptive calculus to navigate through the world. So even though most men would never rape her, you and I as fathers would say, absolutely do not go down that thing, despite the one more example and then I'll cede the floor to you. I know tens, tons of parents that have raised their children. None of them as far as I know, including incredibly woke ones that say that all sex differences are socially constructed. I don't know anyone who said I'm looking for a babysitter for my children that's a 35 year old male with a functioning penis. It has to be that because I'm a good person and I don't let statistical regularities or what's that thing called reality shape what I do with my children's integrity of their bodies. So I won't let this sexist logic of 14 year old girls as babysitters are less likely to molest my children. This is why I look for guys that are 35 to spend time with my children. I've never met any parent who does that yet. So notwithstanding the fact that most men are not child molesters, so that's how the brain operates, most of Muslims are lovely. Islam not as much.

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Yeah. Okay, so the reason at all convincing, or it is. But there's. This is all nested inside of an architecture that exists inside the human mind that I don't think anybody is talking about. And I cannot understand how I can't get people to focus on this, the scale problem. So Muslims make up a gigantic number. Let's round it to 2 billion. But the very first thing that you said about Jews is that no minority ever in the history of time punches above their weight more effectively than they do. So if I'm an American and I'm slowly but surely I'm watching Trump act in ways that I can't predict. I cannot figure out why he's doing what he's doing. And then I go, Miriam Adelson. Hmm, there's something here. I think he's basically bought and paid for. Why are these guys like Israel first? They're not acting like they're America first. This is like crazy. They start building a mental model that is influenced by effect rather than raw numbers. So they have. There's almost no need to appeal to the fact that there are more Muslims by a country mile than there are Jews if it's actually true that their life is being more impacted by Jewish people. So if Jewish people, and to me it's like, people cannot, like, separate that a person can be Jewish and totally uninvolved in all of this. They just have nothing to do with it.

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They're like, why?

[B]

Why do I keep getting thrown into this? So I want to be very clear in my head. That is a very easy thing you've got. I'll call politically active Jewish person who is literally trying to bend the world towards what they want. And let me be abundantly clear. I am of the belief that everybody should be trying to bend the world towards what they want. And so to me, it just seems like people are mad that you've got a group that's unbelievably good at it. And this is why I'm trying to get people that I'm all for people saying, I absolutely despise the way that Israel is so capable of getting other people to go after their agenda. But the reality is everybody's going after their agenda, Right? So being mad that they're good at it, I would rather people just talk about, here's what I think they're doing. Here's why I don't want them to be doing it instead of, like, spiraling out and all that weird stuff anyway, because of that. Like, if I could just get people to start talking about this saying in a very, like, put all the pieces on the board. Don't try to go to bat for a team. The reality is America right now is acting like a bully. So I'm not going to be surprised when Europe, for instance, like, you guys can fuck right off. When Canada was like, we're about to elect a conservative president. Nope. Or prime minister. Not going to do it now because Trump is being an asshole. And so we're gonna go. I get it. I get why people are responding like that. So getting people to see that there is going to be a consequence to being so good at leveraging the diaspora and the fact that whatever percentage of the Jewish population it is that has managed to make themselves extraordinarily wealthy, which is awesome. I've done it. It's very hard to do. And so I clap like it's. It's a very difficult thing. But they then leverage that money wisely, politically, to get people to move in the direction that they want to bend them towards the things that. The agendas that they want to get and all that stuff. But they've got to wake up to, like, there. There is always going to be a reality to be faced that you're moving pieces on a chessboard. People don't Always know what you're trying to do, but they can see that you're moving things. It makes them deeply uncomfortable. And because they're so good at it, it just spirals into all this conspiracy madness. And then the fact that. And Andrew Bustamante assures me that the French are way more hardcore than the Mossad, I just cannot wrap my head around that. So I think of the Mossad as being, like, the world's most impressive secret agent group. So you put that together, and now it's like you got. You have to contend with that, and so you have to be able to talk about it openly. There's an incredible book called Rise and Kill First. Incredible book about the Jewish strategy of. What do you do when someone's coming to kill you? You rise and kill them first. Yes. Like, I would teach my daughter that, like, this is, like, the best advice in the world, but Israel's gotten so good at it that it's like, it makes people uncomfortable.

[A]

So. Can I please, please, please? So of course you're familiar with Thomas Sowell, right?

[B]

Yes, Intimately. I love him maybe more than you, and I know how much you love.

[A]

Really? Okay, those are big words. So Thomas Sowell, you're exactly right. Is the OG Is anybody who's listening right now, drop everything you're doing. Oh, my God. Go to every single one of his books. Read everything he's ever done, everything he's ever said. He's the OG of fighting the Woksters.

[B]

Incredible.

[A]

And he's still alive. And I've been petitioning both behind the scenes and publicly for him to long overdue receive the Presidential Medal of Freedom. I don't know how he hasn't gotten it. He should. Anyways, at one point, you can probably pull it up right here. Somebody was asking Professor Sowell what must happen so that the Jews are no longer hated.

[B]

His answer was awesome.

[A]

Thank you. Before you say it, one of the greatest answers of all time, consisting of one word. It starts with the letter F. Yes, it does fail to your point. Right? It was so.

[B]

He was so. Fail.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. It really was the. The original mic drop. Right? That's the problem, is that look in the. Let's. Let's take it away from an incendiary topic. The World cup, which is coming to the United states shortly, has 200 countries that compete in the World Cup. Do you know how many countries? And I'm not counting women's soccer, because it's not really a sport. I'm just kidding. I'm just joking.

[B]

Okay, we finally Said something offensive.

[A]

Okay, good.

[B]

Because before this, everything was safe.

[A]

Everything was safe. Jew, Islam. But don't, don't. By the way, we could talk about something else. I thought when you said I triggered a controversy yesterday, I wasn't even thinking about the Tucker. I was thinking about the other one.

[B]

Oh, we've got more.

[A]

We've got a lot more. A lot more.

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Finally.

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But do you know how many countries have won the World Cup? Like just off the top of your head? Give me a number. Yeah, that's very good. Actually, I would have thought that you would overestimate by a lot more. Eight countries.

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Wow. Yeah.

[A]

Eight countries have ever won. What is it about the DNA, if not literal, metaphorically, that can cause only eight countries in a sport that is played intergalactically, that everybody wants to win, Only eight countries have won it. Whatever the reason is, it's not unlike what happens with Jews. Right. There is for genetic reasons, cultural reason, a mix of both. Argentina produces the greatest soccer players ever. It's Maradona, it's Messi, they're both left footed. They move exactly the same way. I don't know what it is. Is it jeans? Is it that they do the.

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It's both.

[A]

Is it both? Okay. Same thing happens with Jews in a lot of the domains that we're talking about. So if I were a non Jew sitting on the sideline and looking at those demonic Jews, the smart thing to do would be to say, what can I do to emulate and even beat them at what they do. Yeah, right. I want to take Gad Sad's story where his mother said, you're going to bring shame and I'm going to adopt this and inculcate this, my children with that level of educational excellence expectations. Right. So rather than demonize that recipe of success, why don't you say they probably have cracked the code about some of these things and let's emulate it. But that seems like it takes a lot of effort. Better to simply point them as being. In Arabic, you say Shaytan the Satan. They're Satan people. And that's what explains why I've never become an actor. Because Hollywood is controlled by the Jews.

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Yeah, no, I get it. I agree. I think that's the only smart thing to do when you look at somebody that's doing something where they had an agenda and they were able to execute against it, is to say, ooh, I have agendas, I'd like to be able to execute against them. What's the secret there? And I will give that round of Applause to the Muslim faith. They've done a phenomenal job of running a strategy. I don't. They probably won't love it being called a strategy, but the. To proselytize, to punish, if you try to leave the religion. It's a very good combination. Promising the virgins is also not a terrible idea.

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Matt, forgive me for interrupting you. Allowing Muslim men to marry non Muslim women, but Muslim women cannot marry non Muslim men. Okay? So if you look at. At the mimetic content of the Islamic religion, and maybe the Muslim viewers will appreciate this. It is the most brilliant memeplex. So if Jews suck at marketing new adherents, Islam is the exact opposite. It's the greatest marketing strategy that the world has ever known, precisely for the points that you've said and a few others. And so, yeah, they're smart about it.

[B]

And so now my thing is, okay, given all of that, how. And one of the, all of that I really want people to hold in their minds is the way that America becomes a country, the way that Australia becomes a country, the way that Israel became a country. Like, these are all things that are going to make people in a modern context, in a Post World War II, everything has been good for a very long time. Standard of living is insane. So we have this sense that it's our birthright to just have things. And so now we start feeling guilty, quite frankly, because we have the time and the luxury to feel guilty about it. And we're now being confronted with a religion that is extraordinarily good at going into a space, starting small, planting roots and running a. You know, keep your head down, be chill in the beginning, you start to feel yourself. Maybe you take over Times Square, you do some prayers, get the call to prayer going right, and you just slowly, slowly you out produce, quite frankly, you just have more kids and you reinforce your religion. What is the ethical framework? That's the real question. Is it ethical to push back? If so, what is the ethical framework that people use to push back?

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So 100% it's ethical if you believe that human beings are endowed with a survival instinct. Right? And I'm not trying to plug my next book, but the whole point, the whole point of suicidal empathy that's coming out in May is that empathy is a perfectly noble and evolutionarily selected virtue. But like most things, as Aristotle explained to us, too little of something is not good, too much of something is not good. And life is about finding that sweet spot. And it applies to an endless number of phenomena. It's probably the singular Universal law of maximal flourishing that is most common across so many different domains. Okay, it's the inverted you, too little not good. Too much, not good. Okay, so empathy is fine as long as it gets activated within the right norms of reaction to the right targets at the right time. Right. So being infinitely empathetic to endless migrants under the guise of Fido is a feline and the Namibian wild lion is a feline, therefore they're both feline, therefore they're both equal is exactly what happens when people say, you're such a hypocrite, Gad Saad. You and your buddy Elon Musk are immigrants, and yet you rail against immigrants as if all immigrants are equally likely, number one, to assimilate and not cause havoc in your society. The fact that we're both called. Right, so Muhammad the jihadist who just came from Al Qaeda camp is an immigrant and Elon Musk is an immigrant. Are they going to bring a net benefit that's the same? They're equal under the law, perhaps, but they're not equal in their proclivity to do good or bad.

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I agree. But let's take it out of the abstract and start, because this is. We're really going to have to contend with this. And so everything ultimately has to be made into a policy. And it seems to me that the policy to say Muslims are a problem would be a mistake. That that's the wrong level of analysis. And it really comes down to different Muslims from different countries are going to matter. There are factions within Muslims or Islam factors for sure, that fight against each other. And so part of what I think the west problem is is we have this blunt force trauma thing of Muslim bad that then allows people to go, you guys are just being racist. When the drum I've been beating to death is this isn't about race. And you're going to be routinely confused when two people of wildly disparate races see that the other person shares their religion and all of a sudden their besties. And then two people who look exactly alike want to kill each other because one's Catholic and one's Protestant.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

It is a values question. And when you find people that have your values, you can connect so fast. And when you find people that don't share your values, then you're gonna jar whether you look exactly alike or not. So how do we, if I'm right, that saying Muslim or even Islam is too blunt force. It's like trying to figure out what things are while wearing mittens. How do we get to the part that actually matters, so that we can create a policy that looks to things like assimilation, shared values, which I know is where you're going in terms of you go to Canada, you proselytize for Canadian values. Free speech, freedom, economic freedom, all of that. Things that one would want to see more of in Canada or America.

[A]

So.

[B]

But how do we figure that out when somebody is like, yeah, you're Muslim, great, doesn't matter. You share my values.

[A]

So you may. It may be jarring what I'm going to say, but let's go for it. Number one, to your point about it's not a race, As a matter of fact, let me build on what you said. The Ummah is the Muslim nation. So the brilliance of Islam, it says there are no national borders. There is the nation of Islam, the Ummah. So I can be Indonesian Muslim. I could be white, pearly Albanian Muslim. I could be black Muslim from Senegal. I just said Indonesian, different race. I said Albanian white, different race. And I said Senegalese, black, from West Africa, completely different race. We are all of the same. We're part of the Ummah. So I'm building on your argument. You're exactly right. It's not racist to attack Islam by definition. Okay? Islam transcends racism in its canonical structure. Okay, Number one. Number two, when you come to my house, I have the luxury to say, even though you have freedom of speech and freedom of whatever, when you come into my house, I'm sorry, maybe it's that I have germ contamination. You have to take off your shoes. Now, you might say that kind of sucks. I don't want to walk around in my socks. But if you're going to be a good guest and understanding that I may have my quirks as a host, please take off your thing. If you decide to come in and start putting mud everywhere, I'm probably never going to invite you again. So even though you're a free individual within the confines of my home, I will put a restriction. You're not free to wear your shoes. I hope this is a good analogy now.

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So I take that as country needs to know what they stand for. They need to be able to articulate their values or customs.

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Okay? And therefore the argument. But, Gad, freedom of religion, that can't be the impotence pill that you take to give away your children, your wives, your culture, your religion, your heritage, your civilization. If your religion is inherently hostile to my existence, and as you correctly said, maybe you heard that from me saying it, maybe you found it. Islam has used the Same playbook for 1400 years. When in the minority, act meek and play victim. Muhammad said it. When in in the majority, smite at the neck and show no mercy. Am I making this up? Look it up. Okay, so therefore there is no world in which we have 1400 years of history. Let me, before I answer this, when we run studies in science, we oftentimes have two conditions. We put 30 people in this condition, 30 people in that condition. And the reason why 30 is because it's when the T distribution mimics a normal distribution, just for statistical reasons. So roughly 30 and 30 is what you aim for. For you to have statistical representative. Okay. And a million studies are published in the most prestigious scientific journals with that small sample size. Well, I contend that the date. I don't contend it's a fact that the data on 1400 years of Islam has more statistical power in it than every single scientific study that's ever been published. So if we're looking for statistical power of a test, we've got this data. That data says that there is no place where Islam goes, becomes majority and personal liberties flourish. Notwithstanding that your friend Ahmad makes great curry and he's very sweet guy. Both of those statements are true. Most Muslims are lovely. Islam, not so much. So how much more data would one need before they say look, it's still okay because they're only 1% in the U.S. but in Dearborn they're not 1%. Do we have problems there? Yes. But in Minneapolis they're not 1%. Do we have problems there? Yes. Do we have 1400 years of data in endless different societies where that exact answer question is answered the same way? Yes. Right. So let me bring it back personally. My family escaped Lebanon. It wasn't MAGA extremists that forced us to leave. My wife's family left Lebanon. They're Lebanese. Armenian. It wasn't MAGA extremists that forced them to leave. My some of my grandparents left Syria. It was the same group of folks that forced my grandparents to leave Syria. My brother in law's family was forced to leave Alexandria, Egypt in the mid-1950s. It was the same group of people. My wife's ancestors from Armenia escaped the Armenian genocide. It was the same people. So I just gave you Turkey. I just gave you Egypt. I just gave you Syria. I just gave you Lebanon. My wife is Armenian. I'm Jewish. There seems to be converging evidence here, but I could spend the next 37 hours sharing that with you. But guess what, your friend Ahmad is still doing good Curry and is still a sweet guy. So it's about the epidemiology of Islam. If Islam goes to a place, will that fortify the United States or weaken it? Well, we now have current data in France, in Denmark, in Sweden, in Spain, in Italy, in Britain, in Germany. Well, I can mention more in Canada, in Australia. What's happened? Do we have metrics that tell us, hey, have rapes gone up or down since that influx? So what would be the evidence that I would have to share with all your viewers for them to go? Well, I'm not going to rely on the reflex, but you know Weinstein and Epstein are Jewish, so you know Jews too. Jews can be assholes. Jews can be rapists. Jews can be pedophiles. There's no monopoly in the darkness of the heart of humans. There are bad people in every group. We're not talking about people, we're talking about an ideology. If your reflexes I don't want communism to replace capitalism in the United States. That exact same reflex should tell you do I want Islam to take a stronger foothold? If the answer is yes, then please petition to have more Muslims come. If not, maybe you need to listen to guys like me.

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