Living Forever Is No Longer Science Fiction: The Age of Immortality is Here | Peter Diamandis PT 2

Summary

Impact Theory with Tom Bilyeu: "Living Forever Is No Longer Science Fiction: The Age of Immortality is Here"

Guest: Peter Diamandis | Date: February 27, 2025 | Episode: Part 2

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Episode Overview

In the second part of Tom Bilyeu’s conversation with Peter Diamandis, the pair dives deep into the technological, governmental, and personal shifts defining our current era—the so-called "Roaring Twenties." Their conversation traverses the future of health and longevity, the untamable pace of AI, the potential for governmental overhaul (on Earth and beyond), and the mindset required to not just survive but thrive during unprecedented disruption. Along the way, they unravel investing opportunities, groundbreaking medical advances, the realities of colonizing space, and why living past 100 may soon be common.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The New Administration & Acceleration in Tech Leadership

• Peter's Shift from Fear to Excitement:

  • Peter reveals he’s now “thrilled” about the direction of the US due to tech leaders like Elon Musk joining government efforts, pulling in world-class talent previously unreachable by traditional means ([01:45]).
  • “I think this is going to be the roaring twenties. I think it's going to be the most extraordinary acceleration we've ever seen in the U.S.” – Peter ([01:47])

• Deregulation & Biotech Opportunities:

  • Regulations previously hampered advancement (like in stem cells), leading Americans to seek treatments abroad. Peter advocates for “accredited patient” programs enabling individuals to engage with experimental medicine if they're fully informed ([04:38]).

• AI, Crypto, the Role of Private Companies:

  • The conversation pivots to AI’s uncontrollable trajectory and how the competition is moving from governments to Big Tech companies ([05:42], [06:50]).

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2. The Futility of Overregulation in AI and Beyond

• On Regulating AI:

  • Both Tom and Peter agree top-down regulatory control is largely unworkable for AI, with Peter citing historic successes of self-regulation and Tom warning of the dangers of governmental overreach (e.g., the food pyramid, authoritarian regimes) ([07:56]–[10:26]).
  • “If you try and regulate, what that means is the bad actors are the ones who are doing most of the breakthrough work versus the ones that you have access to.” – Peter ([08:44])

• The Need for Transparency and Small Government:

  • Tom passionately calls out inflation and central bank policies, championing transparency, budget balance, and small government ([13:12]).
  • “Inflation is a disease.” – Peter ([13:36])
  • “And a disease that leaked out of a lab called the Fed. So the ultimate lab leak hypothesis.” – Tom ([13:38])

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3. Bitcoin, Asset Strategy & Systemic Change

• Mutual Bitcoin Bullishness:
  • Both Peter and Tom reveal Bitcoin is their largest asset and discuss its potential as a safeguard against government money printing ([13:05]).
  • Peter foresees the real impact of solutions like Bitcoin materializing in 5–10 years, after potential considerable economic upheaval ([14:03]).

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4. The Mindset of Elite Innovators: Elon Musk & More

• Elon’s Superpowers:

  • Peter shares personal anecdotes, crediting Musk’s “engineering mind,” “probabilistic thinking,” intense focus, and time management as key to his effectiveness ([17:10]).
  • “Time is the great equalizer...I think one of the things that sets Elon apart is how he thinks about utilizing his time.” – Peter ([19:05])

• First Principles, Pattern Recognition, and Timing:

  • “Being too early is the same thing as being wrong. And so I think his timing of things, it’s the way he looks at things, right? He’s got a very clear set of mindsets.” – Peter ([20:41])

• Six Essential Mindsets:

  • Curiosity, Purpose-Driven, Massive Transformative Purpose (MTP), Moonshot, Abundance, and Longevity Mindset ([21:13]).
  • Peter shares his tool (mypurposefinder.com) to help others define their own MTP.

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5. Longevity, Daily Habits, and Medical Revolution

• Routines Over Hacks:

  • Peter and Tom stress that enduring routines, not shortcuts like Ozempic, are the foundation of health. Ozempic may be a tool to jumpstart habits but should not be relied on indefinitely ([24:55]).

• Habits and AI Health Coaching:

  • Peter outlines a near future where AI, wearables, and sensors guide daily health choices ([47:00]).

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6. New Frontiers: Space Habitats and Virtual Reality

• Timeline to Moon, Mars, and O’Neill Colonies:

  • The moon will be humanity’s first large-scale space home, followed by Mars, with O’Neill colonies (rotating space cylinders) likely in 30 years ([33:46], [42:34]).
  • “The future of humanity in space is in the realm of the O’Neill colonies.” — Peter ([41:50])

• Significance of Starship and Robotics:

  • A fully reusable Starship will fundamentally transform access to space; AI-powered robots will prep habitats before people arrive ([29:01]).
  • “It is the Mayflower.” – Peter ([30:05])

• Virtual Reality as Habitat:

  • In confined environments (like Mars), VR/AR will help with mental health and could lessen the drive for physical expansion ([31:33], [32:38]).

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7. Preventing “Death By Something Stupid”: Precision Diagnostics

• Fountain Life & Full-Body Uploads:
  • Peter describes his company Fountain Life, offering deep diagnostics (MRI, genomics, metabolomics, retina & skin scans, etc.) to catch disease early ([43:58]–[49:26]).
  • “2% of our members who are seemingly healthy…have a cancer they don’t know about.” – Peter ([46:41])
  • Stories include CEO clients discovering life-threatening conditions in time for intervention.

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8. Healthspan & The New Age of Medicine

• Mapping the Brain, Open-Sourcing Cure-Tech:

  • Recent advances include mapping the fruit fly brain and ambitious moves to map the human connectome ([53:06], [54:19]).
  • Mary Lou Jepsen’s startup will soon provide cheap, open-source wearable devices for prevention, diagnosis, and even treatment of neural and mental conditions ([54:33]–[60:49]).
  • “It will become software as medication…research labs will be able to say, okay, I want to address this type of inflammatory bowel disease using infrared.” – Peter ([60:10])

• Near-Term BCIs: Next-Level Connection:

  • Newer brain-computer interfaces promise millions of neural connections, potentially adding another “brain hemisphere” ([61:36]).
  • “Imagine another hemisphere of the brain.” – Peter ([62:54])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Deregulation & Tech in Government:

  “Now I see friends of mine who are like, ‘Yep, I’m going to go in and spend, commit six months on the Doge effort and help right the ship. And it’s like, you could never afford those people, never convince them. And they’re all jumping in.’” — Peter Diamandis ([02:42])

• On Regulation:

  “There’s no on-off switch on this technology, there’s no velocity knob on this technology.” — Peter Diamandis ([08:14])

• On Bitcoin:

  “Are you a bitcoiner?” — Peter ([13:05])
  “Oh yes. Aggressively.” — Tom
  “Is that your single largest asset?” — Peter ([13:08])

• On Longevity Habits:

  “A habit is a, and a routine is a mechanism by which you don’t negotiate with yourself all the time.” — Peter ([25:38])

• On Colonizing the Moon:

  “The moon doesn’t have enough gravitational pull to retain an atmosphere. The Moon has large lava tubes…you can fill them with atmosphere. One of the cool things…is fly.” — Peter ([37:20])

• On Preventative Health:

  “70% of all heart attacks have no precedent, no shortness of breath…You don’t feel a cancer until stage three or stage four…70% of the cancers that kill you are never tested for.” — Peter ([43:58])

• On Open-Sourcing Medical Devices:

  “He [Vitalik Buterin] said if you open source it, I’ll give you $50 million to do what you need to do.” — Peter ([60:03])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• AI in Government & Tech Talent Surge: [01:45]–[04:36]
• Regulating AI & Industry Self-Governance: [05:34]–[10:26]
• Bitcoin as Solution: [13:05]–[14:03]
• Elon Musk’s Methods: [17:10]–[20:59]
• Mindsets for Leaders & Longevity: [21:13]–[24:48]
• Ozempic, Routines, Health Habits: [24:48]–[27:55]
• Space Colonization, O’Neill Colonies: [28:49]–[42:59]
• Preventing Stupid Death, Fountain Life Diagnostics: [43:58]–[49:50]
• Mapping the Brain, Open Water Story: [53:06]–[60:49]
• Brain-Computer Interfaces Next Decade: [61:04]–[62:58]

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Final Resources & Where to Follow

Peter Diamandis:

• longevityguidebook.com for bonuses, resources, and his new book—proceeds go to XPrize
• Podcast: Moonshots
• Website: diamandis.com
• Social: @peterdiamandis

Noteworthy Tools:

• mypurposefinder.com – Free AI for crafting a Massive Transformative Purpose

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This summary captures the engaging, fast-paced, and visionary spirit of the episode. It’s essential listening for anyone fascinated by exponential technologies, the limits of human health, and the coming future that may arrive faster than expected.

Transcript

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[Tom Bilyeu]

I'm Tom Bilyeu and this is Impact Theory. This is part two of my incredible conversation with Peter Diamandis. If you're just tuning in now, go back and listen to part one. We've already covered the breakthroughs in AI and longevity that are coming faster than anyone expected. And what you need to know to stay ahead. Today, we're getting into the next big shifts. How AI driven healthcare could make disease a thing of the past, how new tech is creating massive investment opportunities, and what all of this means for your future. Let's jump right back in with Peter Diamandis. What a crazy time.

[Peter Diamandis]

Holy shit.

[Tom Bilyeu]

So given how crazy it is, let me ask you, how do you feel about this new administration who is using a lot of your besties to really steer towards something?

[Peter Diamandis]

I'm excited. I think this is going to be the roaring twenties. I think it's going to be the most extraordinary acceleration we've ever seen in the U.S. i'm actually, I was fearful and now I'm, I'm thrilled.

[Tom Bilyeu]

What took you from fearful to thrilled?

[Peter Diamandis]

Elon. Elon's role in it. I mean, first and foremost as a stabilizing factor and is creating clarity in a vision. And then the incredible people that are being pulled in. So here's something that just blows me away because I was just in San Francisco meeting with a number of these individuals who have been CEOs of major companies that you could have never, ever paid enough to enter the government. It's like, you know, I got a call years ago to enter, you know, would you be interested in the role of NASA administrator? And I was like, I'd Rather shoot myself. And, and the reality is that what we've had is either people in government who, that's their power trip, they, that's their relevance play, but they're, they don't, they haven't had the, you know, the, the leadership qualities and experiences to do something incredible on a world stage, or the social capabilities. And now I, I see friends of mine who are like, yep, I'm going to go in and spend, commit six months on the Doge effort and help right the ship. And it's like, you could never afford those people, never convince them. And they're all jumping in. You know, it's interesting, a lot of these people, no matter what you think about them, they're super smart and they know how to succeed. And what we're talking about is the success of the US government on the planet at a time when AI is skyrocketing, when crypto and bitcoin is blowing through the roof. I had three hour dinner and hangout with Michael Saylor last week talking about this and man, oh man, is he convincing. He and I were fraternity brothers in MIT and roommates working together. Yeah, it was fun. Yeah. And it's, it is extraordinary. And then the whole deregulation thing is a real thing, like in the biotechnology world. So one of the technologies that's super exciting in longevity space is stem cells, peptides, a whole bunch of these things. And the government regulations have been crushing and people need to leave the US to go elsewhere to get access. And it's like, hold it, this is my body, right? I want to try these technologies on my body. How can you tell me I can't do this?

[Tom Bilyeu]

Facts, right?

[Peter Diamandis]

And it's like overreaching and it's like, you know, there should be, you know, there is a equivalent of a, you know, if you go public with a company of enough lawyers and accountants that say, grandmother can invest in this public company. But before you have a, not a registered investor, a what's a credit accredited investor, right? Where you say, okay, this guy or gal is smart enough, they have enough money that if they're stupid and they make the investment and they lose it, that's okay, right? I think we should have like an accredited patient program where if I, you know, somebody's convinced me to try their medicine, their stem cells, their drugs, whatever, if I have my husband or wife or kids or doctors sign off on it that I'm of sound mind, why would you tell me I can't do it, right? So I think we're going to have some Interesting changes in regulations too.

[Tom Bilyeu]

So talk to me about the regulations. Do you think that AI should be regulated? How should we be approaching some of these technologies?

[Peter Diamandis]

I don't think it can be regulated really at all. I don't know. I mean we can regulate on the sales of chips, right? Are we going to regulate the software being developed if it becomes far more efficient? The question is, you know, we're entering as we hit GPT5 and we have super PhD level AI models that begin to self referentially improve their own algorithms and get better and better and better and become a digital superintelligence. How do you regulate against that? Do you like have to get approval for every experiment that's being done? What's interesting is I used to think this was going to be a competition between governments, like the US versus China versus I'm not sure who else but and now I'm clear it's a competition between companies. It is. We're going to have the dominant, right? We're going to have Microsoft and Xai and Google and OpenAI and Facebook and, you know, a few others.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Now did you hear Andreessen on Rogan?

[Peter Diamandis]

I heard clips. I didn't hear the whole show.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Oh my God. It is a must watch. It should be taught in civics classes. I'm not kidding, not in the slightest

[Peter Diamandis]

on my watch list. Next.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Yeah, yeah. Did you. So the part that I want to talk to you about is he was saying the Biden administration was going for total control of AI and that they told him point blank to his face, don't even start a new AI company. No way we're going to let that happen. It's going to be a small number of people. And that's the part they said out loud. The implication is that they're going to use regulatory capture to ensure that it's just a small number of companies that can get in so that they can have influence and control over that. That, that was so damning to me.

[Peter Diamandis]

I don't know how they could do it. And it's ridiculous.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Why is it ridiculous? Why is that a bad strategy?

[Peter Diamandis]

Because whenever we've tried to control things like this before, I guess nukes are a reasonable example of when we have. One of the best examples of how to do this correctly was. I remember I was at MIT in my graduate degree. I was doing research and recombinant DNA and their first restriction enzymes had come out where, you know, the COVID of Time magazine was Hitler Gene edited Babies. You know, it was like a lot of fear about Gene editing. And the big conversation was, should we regulate this stuff? And what happened was that the engine, the industry got together at something called the Asilomar Conferences and they pulled together and they created their own regulations, they created their own guidance. And I think you can steer and influence. There's no on off switch on this technology, there's no velocity knob on this technology. And so if you try and regulate, what that means is the bad actors are the ones who are doing most of the breakthrough work versus the ones that you, you know, that you have access to. You want the leaders in the industry to lead and to have a vision to shoot for.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Yeah, I, having lived through the food industry, I come at it from the perspective of government almost by definition is dumb. And if you take any approach where you think that, oh, we know best and we can do this top down, you get the food pyramid. So whether that comes from corruption or ignorance or both, I literally don't give a fuck. But it's like we've run the experiment. We see how ridiculous this is. When you carry it to its extreme extreme, it is absolutely spastic. You get Mao's China, you get Stalin and Lenin's Russia. It's absurd in the extreme. And so I don't know if people just reject Thomas Sowell's idea that there are no solutions, there's only trade offs or I don't know. But I cannot believe that people look at the actual real human history and go, you know what's going to work here? Top down control. Yeah, it literally baffles my mind.

[Peter Diamandis]

I agree. And having said all that, this is the most exciting four years that I think I've ever been alive during.

[Tom Bilyeu]

But I'll say it, the reason I think it's exciting is you have people finally going, you know what, maybe transparency is the right answer. Maybe smaller governments the right answer. Maybe balancing the budget is what we have to do. Deregulation. So that's all about going. Government has these inherent limitations and we need to recognize that the reason the founding Fathers set it up such that they did was that we know that power corrupts. We know that people, even the populace, can derange. So the whole idea, this is something I don't think people understand. The whole idea between Congress and the Senate is that you could get passions whipped up in the Congress. People that are elected, that they are beholden to their constituents every two years need a countervailing force of people that don't have. Because originally those weren't even elected officials, they obviously are now, but they didn't used to be. And so they were every six years. And so they were supposed to be these cooler heads that could basically say okay, look. Yeah, exactly. So people need to have an inherent distrust of the government. Now I'm not anti government. We need a government, but we need to understand. I wouldn't call myself a libertarian. No, because I, I look at the world and I say humans when they act as a mob, get really stupid really fast. And you have to have a force in there to mitigate that. When I look at. Because there are really smart people that I hear talking about anarchy and I think that just the all of human history tells you that humans living in an anarchic system cry out for government because what ends up happening is the strongest person slaps everybody else around and, and all of a sudden you go huh, I don't like this. So I would very much like to get a cabal of people that will go and stab that guy to death. And then because we had to do it on mass, we didn't win. Cuz we're stronger. We won because we're smarter and because we build coalitions. And now that we know the power of coalitions, let's try to enshrine this. And you just see that play out over and over and over and over and over. So yeah, I don't understand people that either can't accept the realities of the human condition or what, I don't know what it is. Anyway, humans are deeply flawed. America seems like the best experiment so far of how you mitigate against that. It's very sloppy. But you have to have an inherent distrust of government. You have to want to keep government small. You have to want to balance the budget. And then my personal hobby horse, you have a moral obligation to give people, your populace an opportunity to save their money in something that can't be inflated, period.

[Peter Diamandis]

Are you a bitcoiner?

[Tom Bilyeu]

Oh yes. Aggressively.

[Peter Diamandis]

Is that you're single largest asset?

[Tom Bilyeu]

Yes.

[Peter Diamandis]

Mine too.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Now how do you feel when people say at least there's a lifeboat, Tom, to all this chicanery of money printing. Does that make you happy or does.

[Peter Diamandis]

Meaning what? Bitcoin?

[Tom Bilyeu]

Yeah. Like when people, when like I will get up on a soapbox and I will fucking rail over the fact that the government prints money and that is stealing from its people.

[Peter Diamandis]

Yes, it is. Inflation is a disease.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Yes. And a disease that leaked out of a lab called the Fed. So the ultimate lab leak hypothesis.

[Peter Diamandis]

We need our antiviral agent.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Yes. And then people will say well that's bitcoin Tom and all is well. Does that make you happy or do

[Peter Diamandis]

you want to headbutt them about being

[Tom Bilyeu]

pro bitcoin or quite that's saying it's all good. Tom. There's a solution.

[Peter Diamandis]

I think there is a solution that will still take another five to 10 years to fully materialize. I think we're still in the early days and we could still do a lot of destructive destruction until we get there. I think we need to get this government budget under control. I think that there needs to be intelligence in the system. What does that look like? Well, I think it like, listen, if you were to say what are the laws governing any industry? How many laws are there? And he fed that through an AI and said, okay, how many of the laws here are conflicting with each other and how could you reduce this to get rid of 90% of the laws in the books but keep 90% of the intention? Right. So you can debulk our law system, our IRS code. Omg.

[Tom Bilyeu]

It's ridiculous.

[Peter Diamandis]

It's sick. It's written. I'm not going to get into it anyway. So there's a lot of improvement and I'm hopeful that we'll see some changes now, at least in the next two years. But I want to talk about longevity and not government, if you don't mind. Not my area.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Taking a quick pause, but when we're back, Peter explains how space, biotech and AI are coming together in ways that sound like science fiction but are actually happening right now.

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[Tom Bilyeu]

Thanks for sticking around. Let's get right back into the action that that is in terms of whether we're able to unlock that stuff or not. There is a reality to be faced there. So let me ask you one more question about this. So, Elon, what. What is it about him that makes him so efficient, so effective? Like, how does he pull all this off? You know him very well. For people that don't know you, you guys have known each other for a very long time. You're very close, so you have an insight that most would not.

[Peter Diamandis]

Number one, he's brilliant. I mean, let's be very clear. He's extraordinarily, you know, super genius. Level number two, he is an engineer, and he thinks with an engineering mind, a first principle. He will tear apart something to understand. Is it going to work? Is it something that I should spend my time on? He thinks probabilistically not absolutely. I think it's an important element here. He's, you know, I listen, I don't know how he does what he does. To be very clear, I remember he was on my board at X Prize and. And he calls me one day back in 2008 when the. Was hitting the fan. You know, Falcon, Falcon 1 had had its third, third failure, and he was going through divorce and Tesla was in trouble, and he's like, peter, listen, I. I apologize. I need to step off the X Prize board. I need to focus on Tesla and SpaceX. And he went, heads down, and I just need to do those two things. And of course, now he's running like six or seven different things. And when I text him to set up a, you know, in a podcast or an interview, whatever the case might be, and I say, well, like, thanks, and who should I coordinate with? He goes, me. I go, do you have an assistant? He goes, no.

[Tom Bilyeu]

So crazy.

[Peter Diamandis]

And. And he. He does. But it's like, I remember Larry Page at Google, who's also on my board at xprize, said one day I. I let my executive assistant go. I said, why? And he goes, because if I don't have one, no one can schedule anything on me.

[Tom Bilyeu]

That's why I did it.

[Peter Diamandis]

You did the same reason?

[Tom Bilyeu]

Yeah. For the same thing. For the exact same reason.

[Peter Diamandis]

Yeah. Amazing. Time is the great equalizer, right? All 8 billion people on the planet all have in common 365 days in a year, 24 hours in a day, and that's it. And how you use that time. And so I think one of the things that sets Elon apart is how he thinks about utilizing his time. And he's not a multiplexer. He's very focused on doing one thing. And Going very deep and focusing on the engineering of that, you know, rocket engine or the let's get Xai's hundred thousand H100 GPUs talking to each other. It's never been done before. And he dives in. And he's just that smart.

[Tom Bilyeu]

If you had to peg his like type of intelligence, is it pattern recognition? Is it not getting trapped by his own, like, what is it that makes him so.

[Peter Diamandis]

I think it's all of these things. But he's deeply technically knowledgeable and he goes to first principle thinking, right? He will look and try and understand things from the fundamentals. And he doesn't bullshit himself. I remember years ago, if you remember, I was in the asteroid business, asteroid mining business, and very excited about the business. I still am. And I said, so, Elon, would you buy liquid oxygen from me on orbit if it's cheaper than what you can get? He said, of course I would. He said, but, Peter, you're just too early. You're just too early. And of course, he was right. And being too early is the same thing as being wrong. And so I think his timing of things, it's the way he looks at things, right? He's got a very clear set of mindsets. I mean, mindset is what differentiates him.

[Tom Bilyeu]

It's interesting. I know mindset's really important to you as well. What are some of the most important mindsets for somebody that wants to do what you're doing to face the kinds of craziness and longevity that he's doing? Building rockets.

[Peter Diamandis]

And so I talk about six mindsets. And my next book, Mindset Mastery for next year, is on helping. So if I said to you, listen, think of the greatest leaders in the world. Elon Musk, you know, Steve Jobs, Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King, whoever you want. And I asked you, what made those people successful? Was it the money they had, the tech they had, the friends they had, or was it their mindset? I think most everybody would say was their mindset, right? If you took everything away from them and they kept their mindset, they would probably regain much of what they lost. And so if that's true, if mindset is your greatest tool as an entrepreneur, as a leader, as a mom, as a dad, whatever, then the question is, what mindset do you have? Where did you get that mindset? And more importantly, what mindset do you need for the decade ahead? And so I fundamentally go deep on that. And I've outlined for me a number of mindsets. It's a curiosity mindset to Be, especially now in this period of AI, to have that curiosity mindset, to be willing to go and learn and be curious because you have the most infinite teacher. I think for me there's a purpose driven mindset, which is one of the most important things Mark Twain mentioned earlier. I love one of his quotes. He goes, you know, there are two important days in your life. The day you were born and the day that you find out why, right? So I teach a, what's called a massive transformative purpose. I think every single person should have clarity about their purpose in life. I think they should have an mtp. I created a tool using a large language model I built which is free. It's called mypurposefinder.com or mypurposefinder AI. If you go there, it'll walk you through a series of questions and it will help you elucidate and create what I call a massive transformative purpose. So my MTP is to inspire and guide entrepreneurs to create a hopeful, compelling and abundant future. It's what I care about. It's what wakes me up in the morning when I'm great, when I give gratitudes in the morning, thank you for letting me serve in this way. I want to help entrepreneurs create that a hopeful, compelling and abundant future because I think that's what humanity needs. So it's a purpose driven mindset. You know, I talk about a moonshot mindset going 10 times bigger, an abundance mindset where you're not worried about some deal you lost, there's going to be 10 times number of deals next year and then finally longevity mindset. And to come back to longevity with a longevity mindset is if you believe that we are in this period of extraordinary scientific technological growth and that you have a crack at having an extra 30 years of health and to get access to that, you should take care of yourself. It's what's going to keep you from eating that piece of chocolate cake at night. It's what's going to get you out of a warm, cozy bed and into the gym. It's what's going to help you get to bed on time. Longevity mindset is I care about my longevity. I want to see much of this universe as I can. We're in the middle of this extraordinary opportunity and I'm going to do what it takes to get myself to that launchpad.

[Tom Bilyeu]

What do you think about something like an Ozempic or something where you can kind of skirt around the mindset of it all and just be like, well,

[Peter Diamandis]

I think it's a Tool. I think Ozempic is a tool that is a godsend for certain people who absolutely need it. I think it's a crutch for other people who should basically just stop eating the donuts, damn it. And get into the gym. So if you're using Ozempic, the dangers are, and I'm sure everybody's heard this before, that much of the weight you lose is muscle mass, which again is your longevity organ. And if you go off Ozempic, you gain back the weight but not the muscle. And so if you want to use Ozempic for a period of three or four months to train yourself to eat healthy, to get good habits, I added this in the book last. I added an entire chapter on routines, on habits, because for me the most important thing I've done in the last five years is develop really great habits. Like what I do. It's like I'm in bed at 9:30 at night. Why? Because my body wakes up at 5:30 and I want those eight hours of sleep. And at 5:30 the first two hours are mine. And I'm going to do my red light, I'm going to meditate, I'm going to work out, I'm going to write a blog. And that's my routine. And I feel comfortable, I feel empowered when I do that routine. And then the rest of the day goes on for the rest of the day. But routines are really important. And so can you get into good habits? Right. A habit is a, and a routine is a mechanism by which you don't negotiate with yourself all the time. So use Ozempic if you're using it to get into good healthy eating habits and don't use it as a crutch.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Yeah, I worry that there's anytime you're taking an, an exogenous substance, there's going to be a second and third order consequence of people.

[Peter Diamandis]

So the GLP1 agonist that, and I talk about this in the book, there are a number of things you can do which naturally cause the same effects as Ozempic, like just chewing your food obsessively for 20 chews before most of us, unfortunately, dinner looks like this in front of the tv. And the worst thing you could possibly do is eat dinner watching the Crisis News Network at night, which puts you in a sympathetic nervous state, a fight or flight state, and you don't absorb any of the nutrients. It's like the worst thing. That's why you want to take a deep breath, slow it down, you know, do grace with your family, tell gratitudes enjoy that.

[Tom Bilyeu]

What do you tell people, speaking of Crisis News Network, what do you tell people about like politics? I know you don't really pay attention to it. You've been extraordinarily successful. What's your thought?

[Peter Diamandis]

Listen, like you, but not as much, I've become a little bit more aware, wary and respectful of the importance of having the right systems in place for governance.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Do you think that's us getting older or is that there really is something unique about this time?

[Peter Diamandis]

I think it is us getting older, us having more to lose us. You know, one of the other things I think about is that, you know, when will we have the, you know, we don't have revolutions very easily anymore to create new governments. So I think how would we create new government systems? I think we will have the chance to experiment with new governments off Earth on Mars.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Whoa, I didn't see that. And it's for coming.

[Peter Diamandis]

Oh yeah.

[Tom Bilyeu]

On how near term is that? How realistic do you give us being able to create a sustainable colony on Mars?

[Peter Diamandis]

So whether it's on Mars or it's on the moon, or it's in what are called o' Neill colonies, which are large containments of a thousand or a million people orbiting, orbiting the sun, maybe, maybe in a co orbit with the Earth. I think we'll see that in the next 20 years. And it's a non, it's a non linear projection. Why is it non linear? Because of AI again. So I want you to imagine, right, so first of all, holy starship. Oh my God, Elon oxygen out of the room, like, you know, drop the mic moment. Starship being caught by those dude so many times. Oh my God. And, and in March, hopefully we're going to see the, the actual starship, this upper stage, if you would also come back first time, we can see a fully reusable vehicle which is like the holy growl of the aerospace industry. It was like always, like when will we see that that ship is the Mayflower. It is the, you know, the workhorse that will take us to the moon, take us to Mars. All other government space programs, all other aerospace companies, you know, pale in comparison, right? There's the US space program, there's the Chinese space program, and there's the Elon space program. So how we get to Mars and to o' Neill colonies and the moon at an accelerated rate. Well, we can send humanoid robots powered by AIs to go do all the work, prepare everything, build it, get it ready. So we land there, it's not landing and like one small Step and you're in a spacesuit. You're walking into, you know, a fully built out habitat with liquid water that's been mined and fuel that exists and energy sources. I mean, that's an extraordinary future. Now the interesting thing is what we said a few, you know, an hour ago or so was the, the Fermi paradox. At some point living in a virtual Mars may be far more enticing than going physically to Mars.

[Tom Bilyeu]

You know what I think is going to happen?

[Peter Diamandis]

What's that?

[Tom Bilyeu]

They're going to go to Mars. If for no other reason than Elon is so hardcore about it, it's actually going to happen. And you will get the people like the guys that responded to Shackleton's notice for this is going to be hard. Probably going to die, but it'll still be coming.

[Peter Diamandis]

So good.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Oh God, that thing's amazing. So they'll go, but they will live inside of, they'll spend time inside of virtual worlds while they're there as a way to break up the claustrophobia of basically being trapped inside. I remember the first time I put on a VR headset, I was like, oh, this is interesting. This would have zapped a lot of my desire to get rich if I knew that I could just put this on and live inside of a beautiful mansion while I have it on. It's really, really impactful and as it gets better, stick around. We're hitting pause, but when we come back, Peter lays out how to take advantage of the biggest wealth creation opportunities of the next decade. Thanks for staying tuned. Now let's get back to it.

[Peter Diamandis]

By the way, you own Innoculus, right?

[Tom Bilyeu]

Yeah.

[Peter Diamandis]

And you own a Vision Pro?

[Tom Bilyeu]

Of course.

[Peter Diamandis]

How many times do you use your Vision Pro?

[Tom Bilyeu]

Not many.

[Peter Diamandis]

Yeah, I bought it, I used it twice and it's under my desk.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Yeah, it'll have to get better. But it, I assumed that would be the case. But in terms of like, have you seen that demo where the person is wearing it walking through their kitchen? They're like, make it look like the 50s, make it look like an alien landscape. It's unbelievable.

[Peter Diamandis]

Yeah, that is coming. That is coming. And you know, SORA just got released by OpenAI and you're going to be able to generate anything you want. Yeah, you know, I was, it was interesting. I was at the Louvre and I was like, wow, this is so beautiful. You know, we couldn't recreate this now with all of the physical architecture and all the artistry and so forth. And I was like, huh? Actually you just want to have a A house with white walls and white ceilings and just be wearing virtual eye gear all the time. And you can make it look like anything.

[Tom Bilyeu]

And when it's lightweight, that is exactly what people do, dude. AR is something people do not. I don't think they understand what's going to happen. Like, that's going to be really near term transformative. Yeah, I'm really excited about that one, but I want to go back to space for a second. So rank order the three. So we've got the moon, we've got Mars, and we've got the.

[Peter Diamandis]

We've got the o' Neill colonies.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Yeah, yeah, so.

[Peter Diamandis]

So we're going back to the moon. We will be there. Elon's going back to school 100%. So Elon is going. And Jeff Bezos. I'm saying people, right? It's SpaceX and Blue Origin. So Blue Origin is. I knew Jeff in college. I started the. My first organization ever was Students for Exploration development of space SEDs. And it was a national network of college space groups. And Jeff ran the Princeton chapter. And I was a national chairman. And I remember meeting him years later after he started Amazon. And I'm like, Jeff, like, what's this Amazon thing? I thought you were going to do space. And he goes, yeah, I'm going to make my money in Amazon first and then do it in space.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Not a bad shot.

[Peter Diamandis]

And he one, two plan real easy. So he's spending about a billion dollars a year and he's been doing his suborbital flights, but he has New New Glenn, which will be his orbital vehicle, hopefully will launch this year. So there are two or three companies. There's SpaceX, there's Blue Origin, there's Relativity Space that are building large vehicles right now. So Starship, there's another vehicle that's been developed by the government, by Boeing and Lockheed, and it'll get canceled. It's just way behind budget. And Starship will, I think, be on the moon within. Within two years.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Whoa.

[Peter Diamandis]

And when it does, it'll have the ability to carry 50 people, not two like we had. Right. We're on the moon last on December 17th of 1972 with Jack Schmidt and Gene Cernan. I know it was Gene Cern and I think it was Jack Schmidt as well. And we haven't been back since. But with humans. But we'll go there and we'll start to set up bases on the moon. And the moon will be an incredible habitat where science will get done, research will get done, and we'll develop a Human presence. A permanent human presence. Probably in the dozens to hundreds of people permanently habitat there. It'll be more like the Arctic, Antarctic type research basis. Right. Independent of that. This is one. I was interviewing Elon in Riyadh at the FI conference, and I asked him, when are we going to Mars? And he said, I'm making a shot to get starship to Mars in the next two years. So there will be a parallel effort to go to Mars. You know, he has been pretty right on a lot of things. His timing is kind of off sometimes. But there's an incredible opportunity, which sounds like I challenge America to put humans on the surface of Mars by the end of this decade and get them back. Maybe not the back part, but I think boots on Mars will be probably optimus robots on Mars first.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Makes sense.

[Peter Diamandis]

And then humans to follow. So, I mean, it's. Listen, the. The Star Trek fan in me, it's like, we got data coming, we got starships coming. It's pretty awesome.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Pretty awesome. Now, is it that you cannot build an atmosphere on the Moon because no one's talking about terraforming the moon, but they do talk about terraforming Mars.

[Peter Diamandis]

Yeah. It's that the Moon doesn't have enough gravitational pull to retain an atmosphere. And there is a very interesting opportunity there. The Moon has large lava tubes, like huge caverns that are under the lunar surface, and you can fill them with atmosphere.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Whoa.

[Peter Diamandis]

And one of the cool things you could do inside those lava tubes on the moon filled with atmosphere is fly. Because a human with a pair of wings has enough muscle strength in 16 gravity.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Oh, my God.

[Peter Diamandis]

Wow. Have you ever been on zero G with me? I have, yeah. Okay. All right. And so incredible. Yeah. So those of you don't know you can fly a parabolic flight in zero g. And one of my greatest moments in life was taking Stephen Hawking up in weightlessness and letting the world's expert in gravity experience zero gravity.

[Tom Bilyeu]

That's cool.

[Peter Diamandis]

And it's something everybody can do. If you go0g.com in the airplane barnstorms around the country, and we fly to Long beach and Las Vegas and Florida, other places. And we do 15 of these arcs. The first two are Martian, so you feel one third of your weight. Then we do a couple of lunar. You feel one sixth of your weight, and then a dozen or so zero G parabolas. So, yeah, Space. There's a resurgence. Right. And at the same time, another holy moment. Starlink. OMG. Right. On our way to 12,000 satellites providing 100 megabit to gigabit connection speeds to every square meter on the planet. And now to my T mobile phone.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Wow, that's bananas.

[Peter Diamandis]

It is.

[Tom Bilyeu]

All right, so rank order for me. Okay, which one?

[Peter Diamandis]

So moon is first. Moon is first. And we'll build that out over the next decade. It will get more and more capabilities. It'll be science driven mostly. You know, we can do great astronomy there. We can on the dark side we can see far. Instead of building, you know, the Webb telescope in Earth orbit, you build it on the dark side of the moon and you can see the universe from there. We'll get missions to Mars over the course of the next decade as well. And terraforming Mars is a much bigger endeavor and it's going to be fraught with political like, how dare you bomb Mars? You know. You know, because the best way to terraform it is sort of like throw rocks at the poles and increase the atmospheric density of CO2 and maybe some nukes on the poles. But we'll do enclosures there as well,

[Tom Bilyeu]

like the lava tubes.

[Peter Diamandis]

Well, no surface enclosures will build.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Got it.

[Peter Diamandis]

Domed cities and we have. The good thing about Mars is it's got a large water supply, right. And ice and it's got CO2. It's got oxygen bound in the iron which makes it red. Right. It's rust. And so there's lots of resources there. And so we'll will do that. I, I think the future of humanity in space is in the realm of the o' Neill colonies. Gerard K. O', Neill, another mentor, said, why would you ever go back into a gravitational well? And so he had a concept of these large cylindrical tubes, think like a half kilometer diameter and you know, a couple of kilometers long that are rotating at a right speed to create centrifugal force on the inside. And you live on the inside of this tube. The materials are either off the lunar surface, but much easier to get them out of asteroids. And you have AI and robots to do this manufacturing. And you can have a population of 10,000 people or more living inside there. As they get older, they can move towards the center of rotation. And you know, the gravity goes as omega squared r their centripetal acceleration and radius. So as you get to zero towards the center, it becomes lighter and lighter. So you can live in a lower gravity environment if you want. But here's the interesting thing from the politics side. If you have like a group of 10, 50, 100,000 people and they're having political disagreements, they say, okay, listen, we're going to Bud, we're going to build another one over here and the Democrats can go there, the Republicans can go there and stop the fighting. And you know, this is. Listen, I love Elon and all that he's done. He's got a Mars vision, Jeff Bezos, because he was at Princeton, same place that Gerard K. O' Neill was. His vision is much more of this o' Neillian vision of these colonies and such.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Wow, that's really interesting. Okay, so ballpark me. When will the first o' Neill colony?

[Peter Diamandis]

Oh, I think that if in fact humanity still hasn't has the drive to want to do this, I think that is probably more like, I don't know, there's going to be a lot of trillionaires by then and a lot of low cost labor. So If I said 30 years, that might be pessimistic, but I'll say 30 years.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Okay. It's incredible. Well, you're certainly giving me a lot of reasons to want to live forever.

[Peter Diamandis]

Yeah, I mean, I think I'll just let me hit that one second. Because I think when I'm with my abundance community and I'm talking about longevity and such, I'm like, listen, the number one thing besides all of the stuff on food, diet, exercise, med supplements, not dying of something stupid is having a purpose and having a vision. And if I said to you, listen, I'm going to give you 20 extra healthy years, Tom, what are you going to do with those 20 years? I think most people can figure that out. Now if I said to you, you got 50 extra years, a lot of people's brains break on that. Like, I don't know what to do with 50 extra years.

[Tom Bilyeu]

It's a big difference.

[Peter Diamandis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tom Bilyeu]

So you've talked a lot about don't die from something stupid. So we've already heard sugar. What else can we do to make sure that we don't die from something stupid?

[Peter Diamandis]

So the chapter on that, and it's a really important message for everybody, which is our bodies are really good at hiding disease. You think you're fine, but you have no idea. So it turns out these stats are pretty scary. 70% of all heart attacks have no precedent. No shortness of breath, no signs even on a typical calcium score. You could have a calcium score of 0 and have a heart attack that night. Because it's not the calcified plaque, it's the soft plaque. You don't feel a cancer until stage three or stage four. You know, we all know people who go to the hospital with a pain and the Doctor says, well, I'm sorry to tell you this, but you've got this situation going on, this cancer or whatever the case might be, it didn't happen that morning. It's been going on for some time. You just didn't know it. And here's the stunner. 70% of the cancers that kill you are never tested for, right? So we test for breast and prostate and colon, but we don't test for, you know, we don't test for pancreatic cancer or for glioblastomas or a whole slew of other cancers. They're just not part of the routine medical care. And you can know what's going on inside your body. And people go, I don't want to know. And I was like, bullshit. Of course you want to know. You're going to find out eventually. You want to know now. We can do something about it or when it's too late. So four years ago, I joined with Bill Cap and Tony Robbins and we built this company called Fountain Life. And it's. I built it for myself and my family and the friends that I love. I put my CEOs, my companies through it. And they're these 10,000 foot diagnostic centers, they're diagnostics and therapeutics. And you go through, it's about four and a half hours and we digitize you, upload you full body, mri, brain, brain vasculature. It's a coronary CT looking at coronary arteries, but using an AI overlay called clearly looking for soft plaque, which is what will kill you. A low dust long ct, a DEXA scan, your full genome, your metabolome, your microbiome, your retinal scan, your skin scans, it's all the data we can collect about you. It's 300 gigabytes. I'm sorry, 200 gigabytes of data.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Wow.

[Peter Diamandis]

And here are the numbers. 2% of our members who are seemingly healthy, they think they're fine, have a cancer they don't know about, right? Two out of 100 two and a half percent have an aneurysm they don't know about. And 14.4% have either metabolic disease, neurocognitive disease, cardiovascular disease, or a cancer. And they need to take action right away. And so I go through this fountain apex upload every year. I kind of hold my breath. And we are there to answer two questions. Number one, is there anything going on inside your body you need to know about? And if there is, let's take care of it right away. And number two, what is likely to happen to you. And how do we optimize you to prevent that from happening? Because this is the world we're living in right now, right? So I call this not dying from something stupid. It's not cheap. It's 19, 500 bucks for the full body upload, but also includes a medical wraparound team. So it's quarterly testing. You get a functional medicine doctor who's with you the entire year, a nurse, a dietitian, a health coach. And that wraparound helps you really optimize yourself. We just are launching now a program at $6,500 which includes the upload and the first consult. And we're doing it through companies for their employees. And all of this is going to demonetize at the end, right? It's all going to get cheaper and cheaper every year as AI the humans are still the expensive part, right. The machinery is getting cheaper. We're eventually. We have a program called Fountain Life at Home. Because all of this will move out of the doctor's office, out of the hospitals, into your home, right? So I've got a cgm, an oura ring, an apple watch. And I'll eventually have dozens of sensors on my body, in my body, uploading to my AI which is monitoring everything all the time. And my AI is going to be sending information to the robot chef in my kitchen saying, this is what Peter should be eating tonight. You know, it's an interesting close the loop. If you turn on health coach, it'll say, hey, lazy, don't take the elevator. There's a staircase over there. Or time to get out of bed. Or you can turn that off if you want. But, you know, it's good to have someone with you, supporting you. So when I talk about not dying for something stupid, it's going through Fountain Life. There are other programs as well. I think we've got the best, most comprehensive program out there. And I still want you to come through it.

[Tom Bilyeu]

No, man, for sure. 100%. If it's in L. A, that's easy.

[Peter Diamandis]

But you know that six months out I've had so many people. We've saved so many lives.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Yeah. This is terrifying. I know. You had a fraternity.

[Peter Diamandis]

Yeah, fraternity brother of mine who was supposed to come in and. And died in his sleep. I had. Do you know Sam Nazarian by any chance?

[Tom Bilyeu]

No.

[Peter Diamandis]

So Sam was the head is hotelier, very successful, the head of SLS hotels. And he and Tony Robbins and a few others started something called the Estates. And these will be 25, six star resorts and. And Residences around the world. And we're. We cut a deal. Well, he approached us. He. He looked at all the other players and he chose us. And we're going to embed found life into all of those resorts and developments. So he came. I said, come through Orlando, our headquarters, and go through the process. Now Sam and his wife have the best physicians in the world. Went through. We found two brain aneurysms and he was in surgery a week later. Jesus is fine now. He's publicly said, you know, made this public statement. So I'm okay sharing it, but you just never know.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Too true. Speaking of what we may never know, tell me, will we see people live to an average life expectancy of 100, 150 first or a million people living either in an O' Neill sphere on the moon or Mars?

[Peter Diamandis]

Oh, I think we'll hit the longevity side first.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Yeah.

[Peter Diamandis]

Oh, for sure.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Okay. Wow. It's pretty near term.

[Peter Diamandis]

Yeah, I think that. It's going to. It's not magic. It's just not understood why we age. Let me say that differently. We have a lot of theories of why we age. There are the hallmarks of aging. There are 12 things that we believe are causing aging. And there's a chapter on. I take about God now, 80, 85, meds and supplements every day. And people are like, what do you take and why do you take it and how you decide? And so I laid out in the book, and it's not for everybody. It's. I've gotten there a little bit of time in consultation with my doctors. And I looked at each of these 12 hallmarks of aging, like. Like stem cell exhaustion or mitochondrial failures. And there are supplements and meds to support each one of them. So I break it down for each one of these hallmarks. These are the major supplements that I'm taking to counter that. And again, everybody should do. Should develop their own plan in consultation with a physician. There will eventually be an AI that takes in your genetics, takes in all your health data, says, what's your objective, Tom? Do you want more muscle? Do you want more mental clarity? You want better sleep? What do you want? And how many pills you willing to take per day? Right. Which is an important one. I'm only willing to take 10. Okay. These are the top 10 you should take.

[Tom Bilyeu]

How many do you take a day?

[Peter Diamandis]

Like 85 now. Yeah, when I wrote the book, it was 75. It's gone up. My mom says, hey, how do you know they don't interfere with each other? I said, mom, I don't I don't. But I'm doing. I feel great. Yeah, I am doing great. So, you know, so far, so good.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Absolutely fascinating. What is the craziest thing you think we're going to find at the intersection of health and tech? Like, near term?

[Peter Diamandis]

Wow. Oh, I got this. Do you know that we just mapped the connectome of the brain of a fruit fly?

[Tom Bilyeu]

So all the different synaptics.

[Peter Diamandis]

So the fruit fly has 154,000 neurons and I think 54 million synapses. And we used a lot. We used an AI to map that exact connection of the fruit fly and put it up into a computer model. And so you can say, if we did this to the fruit fly, touched it here, gave it this kind of chemical whatever, what would it do? And then do it. And it does the exact same thing.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Whoa.

[Peter Diamandis]

Right? And so here's what's next. We'll go from the fruit fly connectome to a mouse on stage at the Abundance Summit. This year, on my moonshot day, I've got the CEO of a company that is brilliant. What they're doing and how they're doing it, who believes he can map the connectome of our brains for about $50 million for the first one.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Whoa.

[Peter Diamandis]

Our 100 billion neurons, 100 trillion synaptic connections. So, you know, the brain has always been somewhat of a black box. Wow. So that's one. There's another one. Oh, my God. Do you know Mary Lou Jepsen?

[Tom Bilyeu]

That name sounds familiar.

[Peter Diamandis]

God Almighty, she is incredible. Dear, dear friend, full disclosure. I'm an advisor and investor through my venture fund in her company called Open Water. She's brilliant. So here's a woman who is head of engineering at Facebook, at Google, at Intel. She ran the first One Laptop per Child program with Nicholas, a PhD in holography, professor at MIT. I mean, really brilliant, who as a teenager into college, has a brain tumor undiagnosed, and she's dropping out of her PhD program to go home and die.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Oh, my God.

[Peter Diamandis]

And her. One of her professors says, listen, I think you should have an mri. And he pays for her to have an mri, and they discover a brain tumor that was undiagnosed. And she has surgery and she gets fully cured. She had to have her pituitary removed, so she takes a whole bunch of meds every day just to do pharmaceutical replacement.

[Tom Bilyeu]

She

[Peter Diamandis]

is. I can't sing her praise enough. This woman will get the Nobel Prize for her work. So what has she done? She has learned how to use the consumer electronics industry like our Cameras on these phones are miracles of what they're able to do. She has created devices that are micro miniaturized. They've gone from a room size of equipment down to something about the size of a block like this, like, like a thousand times smaller, a thousand times cheaper, that is able to use infrared, infrared light, holography and ultrasound to do a number of things. So number one, her devices, which you, which you attach on your head with a headband, can detect whether you're having a stroke or not, and which will say it's strokes, the number two killers in the world. Unfortunately, by the time you diagnose someone is having a stroke, a lot of times it's way too late. The hospital doesn't have the tech to solve the stroke. If you diagnose it early, 100% recovery, right? So this device she'll put in every ambulance so that you can detect whether they have a stroke or not. All right, Next thing, this device, she's able to guide the exact energy of ultrasound and infrared to different parts of the brain. And she has determined, she built brain organoids. A brain organoid is a. Take human neural stem cells and grow a small brain. Okay? They do. It's, it's been done for a while now. You can, you can do a kidney organoid, a lung organoid, liver organoid, a brain organoid, a heart organoid. So it's, it's a collection, you know, could be the size of your thumb, whatever, but tens of millions of those cells. And what she did was she developed one of those brain organoids that had glioblastoma tumors in them, which is, it's a. Today, if anybody gets glioblastoma as a diagnosis, it's death sentence, like in months, maybe a year. And what she found was because these tumor cells are so rapidly growing, it's a whole segment on her. Because they're rapidly growing. The cells are mostly all nucleus with very little cytoplasm because the nucleus is dividing and creating another one and dividing, creating another one doesn't have time for the cytoplasm to grow, right? And so because it's very different than the other cells that are mostly cytoplasm with the nucleus, and this is all nucleus is a different resonance frequency. And so what she has been able to do is use the ultrasound from one of these little devices to be able to rupture all of the cancer cells in the glioblastoma in your brain.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Whoa.

[Peter Diamandis]

And basically it's going into humans next. It's been done in Mice, it cures them of their glioblastoma. Wow. Gets better. She's been able to identify if you have mental disorders or addiction. She can provide a 5 minute per day treatment with this device that will down regulate your ADD or your depression or your addiction. Five minutes a day.

[Tom Bilyeu]

I mean, that would be transformative.

[Peter Diamandis]

It is transformative, right? I mean she's amazing. So you asked me about what I'm expecting in the short term. So she ended up, she did some early financing rounds. I helped her raise money, my venture company invested and then she had this huge hurdle to productize this stuff because her goal was like, I need to get this really cheap and available to as many people as possible. She went to Vitalik Buterin, the founder of Ethereum.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Yeah, yeah.

[Peter Diamandis]

And he said, if you open source it, I'll give you $50 million to, to do what you need to do.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Wow.

[Peter Diamandis]

So he did, didn't ask for any equity and she's open sourced it. And so these devices will be manufactured, available to people around the world and it will become software as medication. So imagine these devices and she has a whole bunch of different form factors for different parts of the body. And a research lab will be able to say, okay, I want to address this type of inflammatory bowel disease using infrared. And, and there'll be thousands of people using these devices as new medical diagnostic and therapeutic tools that will cost effectively nothing.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Wow.

[Peter Diamandis]

I mean, I just, it's. I'm sorry, there's 100 stories like this, which is why I'm so extraordinarily excited about this healthspan revolution coming.

[Tom Bilyeu]

What do you see as you extend the timeline out? What's the craziest intersection of health and tech that you see in a mid

[Peter Diamandis]

to long term BCI brain computer interface? The ability to connect your brain seamlessly to the cloud and be.

[Tom Bilyeu]

You see that as long term, even though we're.

[Peter Diamandis]

No, no, no, no, no. I don't see that long term. I see that in the next decade. One of the guys I have on stage in March at the Abundance Summit is Max Hodak, who is the co founder of Neuralink and he's got a new company called Science which blows away Neuralink.

[Tom Bilyeu]

It's a bold statement.

[Peter Diamandis]

It is a bold statement. What he's done in terms of being able to, you know, Neuralink will have like a thousand connections into the neocortex. And when you put these connections in, even something, a fraction of a human cell, a human hair still kills cells and disrupts cells when you put them in, and the immune system encapsulates them. Later, he's developed a mechanism by which he grows neural stem cells out of a electronic circuitry. And the neural stem cells grow into the brain. What, like roots into the ground? And this is inside? Dude. Yes. Yes. I mean, this is stuff I spend all day researching, investing, and thinking about, writing about, because it. I can't. I can't sleep with all this stuff going on. And instead of like a thousand connections into the brain, how about a million or 10 million connections into the brain and, you know, our corpus callosum that connects the right and left half of the brain. Imagine another hemisphere of the brain.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Whoa.

[Peter Diamandis]

Wow.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Whoa.

[Peter Diamandis]

Yeah.

[Tom Bilyeu]

That is nuts.

[Peter Diamandis]

Yeah.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Peter, every time I spend time with you, it is absolutely extraordinary. Where can people follow along with you?

[Peter Diamandis]

So, first of all, Longevity Guidebook, you can get it at cost while it's on Amazon. I donate all that money from Amazon to xprize. I'm offering it at, you know, at cost. Everybody, @longevityguidebook.com there's a whole bunch of additional bonuses and videos and all kinds of stuff there. So please. My job is to get this out as far and wide to as many people as possible. I don't need more revenue from a book. I want to get this out to the world. Right, because we're living in this amazing time. My podcast is called Moonshots. Someday I hope to aspire to what the incredible job you've done, my friend.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Oh, brother, you're killing it.

[Peter Diamandis]

And. And diamandis.com and @peter diamandis on all social.

[Tom Bilyeu]

I love it. All right, everybody, if you haven't already, be sure to subscribe. And until next time, my friends, be legendary. Take care. Peace.