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You're listening to the Impact Theory podcast, your source of empowering ideas and actionable techniques from the world's highest achievers. Join host Tom Bilyeu, serial entrepreneur and co founder of the billion dollar brand Quest Nutrition, on a journey to unlock your potential and realize your vision of success. Welcome to Impact Theory.
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Hey everybody. Welcome to another episode of After Impact. I am your host Tom Bilyeu and I am joined by the ST. Stellar, stellar I say Agent Smith.
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Mr. Bilyeu.
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What's up homie?
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You know it's just, it's been a great day.
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It has been a great day.
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Enjoyed our little company lunch holiday celebration. It was very nice.
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And can I say that I actually got a phone call from our boy Thaddeus Bullard AKA Titus o'. Neill.
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Really? Today?
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Yeah, it was actually a lot of fun.
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What'd you guys talk about?
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I really like him. He's doing a ketogenic diet. So Lisa and I were talking to him about the anti inflammatory so he's going to take a look at it. Called me up, put me on the phone with his nutritionist and yeah, we, we briefly anyway talked about ketogenics but he's somebody I. I'm going to make a prediction that I actually end up getting to know him better.
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Yeah, yeah. He seems like a really good guy.
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Very good dude.
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It'll be interesting to see what the ketogenic diet does to his wrestling. I'll have to watch closely for that. Maybe he's going to be flying higher right.
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That championship man.
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Yeah.
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I'm telling you it's coming.
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This one was a lot of fun for me being a fan of wrestling.
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Yes. Which by the way I was very surprised by.
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So it was a little secret.
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Our own Agent Smith is very much now a non closeted fan of the wwe, which I didn't see coming. I'll vote you most, like intellectual in the company.
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Okay.
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Like, most likely to smoke a pipe. Most likely to have a physical library in their house. Like, all of these things are true. And so when you were like, I'm way into the W, I thought you were kidding at first.
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No, no. Well, it's. It's sort of come in two waves in my life. So I was really into it in, like, junior high and into high school a little bit, and then I kind of fell off. But always sort of had a fondness for it. And then over the last year or so, just like, slipped back into it. And I really enjoy watching it.
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I love it.
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And the whole storyline, I just. I get really excited. So we got to go to Monday Night Raw right after the taping. Titus was so gracious. He invited us to go witness and it was a lot of fun.
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That's cool.
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I was like, jumping up and down and yelling.
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And he wrestled that night. He.
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We actually didn't see him that night. Yeah, unfortunately. But, you know, I do follow and watch Worldwide.
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Nice.
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So that was a lot of fun. But, yeah, let's kick it off. So, everyone, this is after Impact. This is the show where we unpack the impact of this week's episode with Titus o', Neill, WWE Superstar, major philanthroper.
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Philanthroper.
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Philanthropist. Philanthropist. Excuse me? Philanthropist is the word I was looking for. Entrepreneur. I mean, what else has he done? The guy's. He's hall of Fame athlete.
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Like, he's just done so much hall of Fame for the Florida University of Florida.
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Right.
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Which very incredible. And just his transformation story is unbelievable. Yeah, unbelievable.
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Yeah. And we're gonna definitely get into that. But first, I wanna start with something you guys started with in the interview, which is. Was his clothing. Yeah. Yeah. So you guys were having a conversation before the show started taping, and it was just about. Cause he came in, like, looking sharp.
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To the nines. To the nines. Homeboy is a sharp dresser.
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And he said, you know, he was. He's always been big on dress for success, and when he didn't have the means, he was always wanting to, you know, to have nice clothes to show that, like, he was. He was serious about what he wanted to be doing. And so I wanted to ask you, like, because I know you talk a lot about self signaling and the power of, like, clothing and what it says to us and what it says to other people. And when you dress, are you dressing more for yourself or more for other people to show them what you're about?
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Wow. So that. That's really hard to pick apart. Honestly, it's both. So I definitely. The irony of having this conversation while I'm wearing my Christmas shirt is not lost to me. But the funny thing is. So I just wrote the newsletter about that.
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Oh, really?
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About how you can manufacture authentic emotion. And the way that I do that around Christmas is like the most extravagant way that I go about it. And so part of the reason that I get so into Christmas clothing and I've got Christmas socks and shirts and sweatshirts and hats, and like, all of that is in putting that stuff on, I remind myself to be more jolly. Right. To focus on that sort of childlike quality that comes with that kind of thing. So it very much is for me. It's also a signal to other people to say, like, I really get into this stuff. And, you know, is a potential connection point. Certainly when I'm wearing, like, this is my. For those that are on the podcast, I'm wearing a Star wars themed Christmas shirt. And the irony being that I had a Christmas sweater on, which was also Star wars, by the way, Yoda dresses Santa. And I said, oh, I actually didn't plan to wear this. I'm going to take it off because I'm really hot. And I took it off and you burst into hysterical laughter because underneath is another Star Wars Christmas shirt. So it really is powerful and to really bring it back to the way that Thaddeus does it. When I was coming up in business, I dressed nice, very nice. And because I wanted to be taken seriously. And I was always terrified to be in a meeting where I was the least dressed. And I remember I used to text my business partners like a crazy man, like, what are you guys wearing? What are you wearing? Like, I always wanted to make sure that I was never what they always called the blue jeans kid. And then I remember as I started being around more and more successful people, sometimes you'll actually see the most successful person dress the lowest.
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Yeah.
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And I remember one time I was talking to this guy, he was the wealthiest guy that I knew, and he was like, so dressed down. And he basically said that, like, don't, you know the person that's the most successful? They can dress however the hell they want. And I thought, one day, man, one day I'm going to be able to roll to an interview and everyone in suits and I'm in jeans and A T shirt. Because I can get away with it.
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Yeah.
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And I thought. And that really, for a long time was. Was like something that I aspired to and then obviously ended up having the kind of success that I want. And it. But it doesn't come from bank account. It came, like, long before I was bank account successful. I knew what I was doing.
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Yeah.
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And I know in this meeting, like, I'm going to be able to get people to go where I want them to go, that they understand that if they can leverage my mind and my skills, that they'll be able to get where they want to go. And that's when everything changes. So. But what I like about what Thaddeus was saying is dress for the job you want, not the dress, not the. The job that you have.
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Yeah.
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And I thought that was really, really smart. And so dressing sharp, signaling to other people what you're about. And I'm sure for him, a lot of it is reminding himself of, like, the level that he is and. And wants to remind himself of.
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Yeah, definitely. And another thing that attributed to his acceleration and growth was back when he was a teenager and he went to the. It's the sheriff's ranch, right?
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Yeah.
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And he said that they put him in a group with the older kids because he was so big, and he said that really helped him, like, mature faster because they were just ahead of him and he was having to kind of keep, like, play catch up, essentially. So I wanted to ask you, is that something people should seek out? Because not everyone's going to have that experience either growing up or into adulthood. Should you seek out a more advanced
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group of people at all times? At all times. Now, that's easier said than done, because if everybody's looking for the more advanced group, then it gets really hard. But yes, if you can, 100%, you should be seeking it out. If what you prize in life is progression. Right. So if you prize progression, then truth should be the only thing that you care about. So being around people that know more than you, even though that's probably gonna dent your ego a bit, because you're not gonna look like a stud. You're gonna be the guy that's just constantly learning and asking questions. But when I say that I get giddy to be around people that know something that I don't, Dude, I get giddy because I know how it translates into something usable. And that, for me, was. Was just a major shift in my life when I stopped thinking about how does something make me feel in terms of cool or Powerful or whatever, and started thinking about, okay, why is knowledge powerful? Like, what do you actually use it for? And once you start focusing on how I'm going to use this, leverage this to actually become capable of something that I wasn't capable of before, like, that's where it just. That that literally is the juice of life for me.
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Do you have any tips for figuring out what that group is for our listeners out there?
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For figuring it out or for getting
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into figuring, like identifying it and then inserting yourself?
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These days with. Okay, so I was going to say these days with social media, it's actually very, very easy, but you may not have a connection to any of those. So actually getting into the group which I want to make a knock on becomes very difficult. So here's what I would do. I tell everybody that I encounter what I'm up to. Right. You've probably seen me do that a thousand times. Yeah, I'm always telling people what I'm up to. I'm always broadcasting here with the cameras on. But even before we started filming me, this was like a thing that I did. I would always tell people what I was doing. So when I first decided I going to start working out and going to the gym, I told everybody. I told everybody who I was trying to look at, look like all of that, like, just tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, and what ends up happening. Part of the reason that I do that is just to hold myself accountable. But the other part, and this is huge, is you never know who might be able to help you on that journey. And if you tell people, like, eventually you hit that person who's like, oh, I know so and so, or I can help, whatever. So I'm going to tell everybody just in case they know, like, like, if I want to be an entrepreneur, I'd say, I want to be an entrepreneur. I'm desperately trying to, like, find people that can help me, that can teach me. I'll work for free. And then there's somebody who's going to be like, oh, I actually know so and so. He's really gifted. He has this company, whatever. Like, I'll put you in touch.
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Yeah.
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And so doing that, just putting it out into the world to see, like, what somebody that you encounter might know. And then I would use social media to identify people, ideally locally, that are really thinking, like you're thinking. I would belong to Facebook groups and things. I would go to networking events and just find people that know more than you know. So to make it really tactical, can we say who we're working with on YouTube or is that, like, somehow taboo?
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It should be fine.
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Right? Like, it's free advertisement, I think.
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Yeah.
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So the guy named Matt Gillen. God, I hope I don't know why this feels weird. This is advertising for him.
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Yeah.
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So guy named Matt Gillen company Little monster. Love, love, love.
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He's amazing.
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Amazing, right? And he's somebody that I never would have known. Like, oh, that's the guy that you want to meet. But researching it, you come across him, you share it. Right? So it's. It's things like that where you can begin, like collecting people that aren't necessarily famous. It's not like, oh, yeah, I know who that is. Right. Like, 99.9% of the people listening to this are going to be like, I've never heard of that guy. But yet he, I think, is going to have tremendous influence on our decision making, the way that we think about it. So doing research, finding those people, collecting them, seeing if somebody knows them, like, that's ultimately how you cobble this stuff together. Be of that world. That's a big part of it.
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Definitely. Titus says in the episode, and I want to knowing kind of. I obviously know deeply about your philosophy and worldview, so I'm setting this question up to get you to respond to it for our listeners. But he says there's no such thing as a bad kid. Just kids in bad situations are around bad people. So tell me about your response to that.
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Yeah, I mean, that's, I think, really, really powerful. And at the extremes, it's false. But for the 99.9% of the world, that is so abundantly true. And I just believe that people can grow in any direction that they want. And I think that usually when somebody's acting out like that. No, I was gonna say especially as kids, but I think it's even true as adults. Like, a lot of this is coming from insecurity. It's coming from a wound. It's like a deep sadness. Right. And so if you can get past that, if you can really get in touch with that thing they need, that they're crying out for, then. Then I think that you just watch a beautiful human being blossom in that. And he's such a powerful example of this. So one, his mother was raped when he was 11. She gives birth to him at 12. Right. So, I mean, you want to talk about a bad fucking start, man? Like, it doesn't get any more rough than that. And then of course, He, I think 17, learns that that is true. He didn't know that growing up. But he grows up very hard, very poor. You know, just the family really, really struggling. He's very angry and somebody tells him, I love you and I believe in you. And that one statement ends up turning his life around. And like, like, literally a key into a lock opens him up to, like, really letting love into his life and really seeing how he can help other people and connect with them. I mean, just like crazy to think that it that one simple thing. Now that doesn't mean that it's easy to find. And I was telling him the story of the kid that I worked with, and I don't know that I helped him in the way that this guy helped Titus. And I was trying and Titus said something that I thought was so insightful. And Lisa and I have talked a lot about this since the episode is that, well, it's very possible that people that told him that they loved him would then turn around. And I forget the example that he gave. The example that was very true in his life was he was being beaten by his adoptive mother. And so I'm sure she did tell him that she loved him. But then what love looked like for him was just not a great relationship. So that wasn't necessarily what he was looking for from me or needed from me now that we had an amazing relationship. And it's really weird to think how influential it was in my life. But just watching when you are that lock or that key in the lock and then watching someone change and develop, and I think that that can happen as adults and I think just humans are capable of going in virtually any direction.
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That's awesome. And speaking of love, I want to talk about the story of, you know, Titus. His grandmother is in the hospital dying of cancer, I believe, and she's sitting next to another woman who's also dying of cancer, who is just horrendously racist. Every time he steps in the room and his grandmother says, go back and see her when I pass. And he does. It's this profound experience where the moon breaks down, and it's like, no one, you know, I was hoping you would come back, or, I never thought I'd see you again. And it's. It's a really. It was a really beautiful story in the episode. I wanted to ask you, like, what lesson do you think people can extract from that story?
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Well, so what I found so interesting about that story is I don't know that I would have seen it. I wouldn't. I don't know that I would have known that's what that woman needed. Like, I would have gotten lost in the. The anger and how it made me feel.
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Right.
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And he talked about that. You know, he was like, there's no way this is what my grandmother's actually asking me to do.
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Yeah.
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And. And so I think that's the lesson. Is that vitriol, that anger when someone's attacking you or coming after you, like, to pause for a second and. And say, why? Like, when people do that, it says so much more about them than it does about you. Like, 100%. Like, someone going on the attack, like, that's not about you.
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Yeah.
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And so his grandmother, like, maybe because she knew she was dying, like, I don't know, man. But, like, being able to so look past. Like, because he said, ev. Every time he came, she would say. She would call him the N word. Right. And be like, oh, there's that. You know, And. And he was just, like, building up this resentment and anger towards this woman and for his grandmother to. To. To know. And can I give grandmother some. Just major credit? I like to think she knew it would impact him.
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Yeah.
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And that she knew. I have the chills that Grandmother knew that it would be this incredible moment for the both of them. And the fact that that woman wanted a hug and went from insulting him and doing everything she could to push him away to as soon as he came back. As soon as he came back, she's like. She wanted a hug. I was so afraid I'd never see you again. I apologize. And then said, you're the son I never had. Like, think about that. Like that. Oh, God. I have the. My whole head is tingling, like, for her to. To just instantly, like, accept what she needs from him and that it's this beautiful, cathartic moment, and she knows she should have been kind from the beginning. And it's just like, oh, God, like, the way that the bullshit is stripped away when people are at. At such a critical moment, being on their deathbed, but that it touched him and he wasn't, like, to see her transform before his eyes and to want a hug and to realize, like, that tough exterior was just all bs.
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Yeah.
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That is just such an incredible moment. And. Yeah, and the final takeaway is Grandma was a badass. Like, just insanely mad wisdom. Mad wisdom, dude.
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Yeah. And so the title of this episode is the Unexpected Power of Love. And I think that's kind of a theme running throughout. And, you know, the three rules that Titus has for his family, for his two sons are, you know, love and respect to everyone, regardless of whether you agree with them, get along with them or not. Give it your all. Everything. Like, leave everything out on the field and don't use the word can't. So I think those are amazing. Like, those. Those hit so many different points for me. Bring that back. Bring you guys back. What, if anything, would you add to that list?
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Wow, that is a great question and a deep shame that I have to stop and think about this. For me, the honest answer is what he's trying to give them is the belief system by which to live. And to me, there's 25 of them. Right? So it's the 25 point impact theory belief system. But to, like, isolate a few, you can do anything you set your mind to. So the way that you spend your time is a spiritual consideration, right? So once you believe that humans are the ultimate adaptation machine, you can get good at anything. Like, what do you decide to get good at? And I remember Lisa and I were just having this conversation. I was like, what do you want to be the best. Best in the world at? And that, to me, is like a clarifying question. Like, you can become the best in the world at something if you're willing to pour yourself into it and.
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And close all the other doors, as you've talked about before, which is really hard.
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Really hard, really hard. And I feel like we're actually going through that ourselves as a company, like, shutting some doors that I really want to leave. I know you do, so. But you're right. You're absolutely right. And so at a high level that if I was just going to isolate one thing that, yeah.
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The other theme that I think is really strong running through this episode and almost became part of the title is giving back. And I know it's had a profound impact on Titus life. And then also he's been on the receiving end, but he's also done a lot to help other people. And he tells that amazing story about the homeless guy at his football practices who transformed his life, which I won't go into. And if you haven't listened or watched the episode, you have to go check it out. What is your kind of view on paying it forward?
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So I love that man. And really, when I'm asking people what the impact they want to have on the world is at the end of every episode, underlying that is my belief that fulfillment comes from serving other people in your unique way. Right. Like, what is it that you've gotten good at that helps other people? And how can you put that to use? So when Lisa and I were. Even though, like, I won't say that I ever seriously considered retiring to the island, I felt like it had to be looked at nakedly. I didn't want to just stumble forward into the next thing. I wanted to say, what. What is my life meant to add up to? And that's not even true. That's not how I look at it. What. I look at it as what will fulfill me the deepest. What will give me the greatest sense of well being and joy. And the honest answer was, if I can help other people in a scalable way, then I know that I'll love my life. I am. More importantly for me anyway, I know that I'll have the energy to fight when it gets hard. And that. That to me is. It's. I won't even pass a moral judgment to say that, oh, it's important to give back. It's not. It's not. You live your life, do whatever you want, be as selfish as you want to be. I think everybody has that right.
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Okay.
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I just think that when you're at your most selfish, to really experience deep and lasting joy and fulfillment, helping other people become the best version of themselves is that thing like, that is what's going to make you feel most fulfilled. And so A, I just think it is good fucking mojo to help other people and do rad things for people. But it's also. It's gonna make you feel better, it's gonna make life more joyful. So I think it's important on both of those levels.
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That's super interesting how those two things work together, sort of helping others and feeling good about yourself. It's really fascinating. Now's the time of the episode where we read some YouTube comments.
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Nice.
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This one's from Brian Tobias. People really underestimate the power of failure and negativity and how much it can motivate you to succeed. This was actually the top voted comment.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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That's interesting.
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It was a good one. This one is from Sonia Diaz. I loved this interview. He is amazing. I also come from a very poor and rough environment, and it is really important that someone believes in you. Greetings from Argentina, Tom. We love you.
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Can. Can we derail for a second?
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Yeah, yeah. Respond, please.
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Well, no, no. I want to ask you a question and I'm literally. The cameras are rolling. We're recording. But this is, like, totally selfish. I want your opinion on, I have no interest in being the impossible to please father. But at the same time, how do you think I should handle, especially with, like, interns and stuff, with the, like, I believe in you. You can do it, versus the, like, high standards? Come on, you can, like, get after it.
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Can you rephrase the question?
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I've intentionally withheld fuzzy praise from some of our team because I don't know how effective it is. This episode shook me when. When Titus said that someone saying that, I love you, I believe in you, and I love or I love you and I believe in you changed his life. It made me go, whoa. Like, I may be wrong about my withholding of what I'll call fluffy praise versus, like, hey, this is the standard. Come on, you fucking got this. Like, dig deep, man. Get to that level. Which is very different than, I love you and I believe in you.
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I actually. I actually agree with what you're saying. Like, you have standards for a role, right? You. This is where we need to be hitting at this role. And you believe in the person that they can do it, but you're still going to hold them to the standards at the end of the day. So you encourage that and you try to get them there. But the standards are the standards. That's how I think about it.
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Yeah. It's interesting. And I think in your answer, there's not necessarily a middle ground, but there is a way to say, like, you've got this, right? The standards of the standards, and we're definitely not going to tolerate anybody not living up to that. But. But showing a little more like. Or trying to cultivate a little more personal connection on top of holding people to a standard, I think is probably a very good idea.
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I think it also Depends at the stage in which people are in their life. Because someone, like, in Titus's situation, he was lost. Right. He was a troubled youth, and he was destined for nowhere. And he needed that encouragement and that belief and that love in the very beginning, to get him started, it was like a kickstart right to his career. I think someone that's further down the road, that's already.
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They've got love in their life.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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They may not need that.
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So it's back to. You have to read each person individually. The ultimate nightmare of unscalability.
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I know. Everyone's a puzzle right now.
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I think that's so, so true. And I think that's going to be a huge thing for me. Moving forward is really on a deep level, individualizing my approach to people.
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I mean, you're a big believer in the microbiome and how every single person's microbiome is uniquely different, right? Yeah. So why wouldn't every person be.
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Oh, I know they are.
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You just don't.
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But it's so unscalable to treat every person like. To really dig deep and figure out who they are and all that. Um, but I think that, that, that. That has been a historical mistake of mine.
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B
That's a tough one. Let's do one more comment from YouTube. This is from Ray Bain. There's a reason we feel good when we're helping others. Our bodies are made to do it. Society just trained us. Otherwise, as hippie as it sounds, love runs the world, baby.
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C
Nice.
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B
I like that. Okay, a couple more questions here before we wrap up. Titus talks about character being integral to his success and what he thinks makes champions. And he has a really interesting definition of character in the episode. So go check it out. It made me think, because he was like, we don't teach character in schools. And then I was kind of like, maybe we should teach character in schools. And what would that look like? So I wanted to get your thoughts on that.
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C
Wow, man. You just triggered something really interesting to me. So.
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B
So
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C
let's say for a second that we wanted. And I don't actually know that you'll get into this, but this is cool for me. Imagine we wanted to make America the greatest country on the planet, right? And what would we do to the educational system? Like, no, bullshit. What would we do to the educational system? What would we need to teach to really fucking crush it? I've never thought before this moment that character is something that you would need to teach. It may be because I take it for granted, but figuring out what those, like, 10 core things we need to teach people are. Because that's essentially what you walk away from high school with, right? Writing, reading, arithmetic. Like, there's a small handful of social studies, like P.E. you know what I mean? Like, there's. It's a pretty small group of things that you really learn. Like, what would that core of the core be? And I think it would. In. In the no BS Universe, it would be things like creative problem solving, not yielding to obstacles, how to learn. Right. How to tackle any subject and understand that you can grow and develop in that. And, man, character might be one of those things that, like, I know it works when, like, everybody has character. Like, if you've got people you can trust on a handshake, do you know how fast business could move? Like, it's one of those things when you find people in business that you can just be like, hey, my word is my bond. Like, I'm telling you right now, dude, that contracts for me are simply about clarity. Once I tell you I'm going to do something, that's fucking it. Yeah, but contracts are useful only for clarity. Now, for some people, that's not true. And they're trying to back you into a weird position.
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B
Yeah.
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C
So.
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B
And can I just say, being on the receiving end of that, like, I know how, like, loyal you are to. To me and to the rest of the company and the people who work here, and it's like, you don't. I've never been at a company and felt that way before. And so it means a lot to, like. It means a whole lot to me. But. And not to say that I think things like character and integrity and sort of these soft skills and intangible qualities of being a good person are sort of taught in schools in the. In between moments with, you know, I think teachers are thinking about that. A lot of the good ones are, but it's not like. Like you said, it's not curriculum. There's no standardized. How do we actually convey these ideas to kids and young adults so that they can live their lives better and help each other better? So. Interesting idea. All right. It was really interesting to hear Titus, when you asked him the question, what's the impact that he wants to have on the world? He started talking about root causes of, like, systemic problems in society. So education system, homelessness, the problem with veterans, you know, not getting care and support. And I wanted to ask what you thought of that, because we're going on this journey right now of reading Ray Dalio's Principles and Root causes is such a big part of his principles when talking more in the company context. But yeah, tell me a little bit about that.
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C
Well, one, I was really surprised. So if people are wondering how much of this stuff is pre done ahead of time, that is a, the only question that we tell people we're going to ask them ahead of time. But then I never know what their answer is going to be. And I wasn't expecting that for some reason. Like, it was so big.
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B
Yeah.
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C
And I just thought, whoa, like this dude, I'm telling you, like, and I, I, I was just shocked that this WWE guy is so thoughtful. Like, he's so introspective. So I was super stoked on his answer. I thought that was really incredible that he's thinking about these things, systemic problems. And then I thought, it makes sense, like where he started to ask himself, okay, I've, I've done this massive transformation, but I narrowly dodged a bullet, right? So had it not been for the sheriff's ranch, had it not been for somebody that had the key to his lock, told him that he loved and believed in him, that he may not have gone on to be able to do all of this stuff. And so looking at like, why was my mom in abject poverty? Right? Because that did not set me off on the right foot. And so how do we actually address these problems? Or like the homeless guy that, that he dealt with who was like, look, I'm not some dirtbag. I got into drugs and alcohol and I think gambling, I can't remember. And I lost everything. Right. But I want to rebuild. So it's like he, he himself realizes I'm, I'm this, I have all this potential, but I almost don't get to exercise it. And I just see millions of people in the US Alone that are eaten alive by the inner cities and lack of what I'll call a empowering frame of reference. And then this guy who, with help could get back on track, but nobody's helping him. And so re. And Jesus incarceration, right? And really figuring out how do we solve these problems. So there's a couple things hiding in that that I just was totally blown away by. A, he's thinking about it. B, that he is interested only in root cause. Like, he's not interested in freaking out, slinging mud, telling people they're stupid. Like, just, hey, really, truly, how do we understand this? And, and I love that you tie it to principles, because what I love about principles and the reason. So yesterday I was straight giddy dude last Night, like, legitimately, I was like, oh, my God, this is going to work. And the reason it's going to work is because once truth is your highest priority and you just really want to know and everybody is an organization, nobody's slinging mud. Like, we just, hey, this actually is true. Once you get to that point and you're trying to execute against that, then real change can be made. So I don't want to make this political, but, like, things like our own political system as we drift farther and farther to the extremes, and nobody, like, literally, the only thing in good conscience that I could ever be political is in the middle, right? Because, like, I just want to be in the middle because that, hey, let's all, like, get together. Let's find common ground. And that's what I loved about him calling himself a bridge builder and trying to bring people together. It's like, that's it. Like, that's what we have to do. Like, even if it's not optimal, I don't give a shit. Like, you've got to get people together. Like, people have got to be working together. Root cause, execute. And that's what, like, you can just feel in his answer. Like, I don't care why? I don't care what. I just care. Is it real? Is it really the root cause? Can we really have tremendous impact? And then the third thing that I loved and his answer is the optimism, right? Nobody asks that question unless they actually think that they can make real, meaningful impact. So, yeah, I love that.
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B
That's great. All right, last question. What do you think is next for Titus o'? Neill?
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C
Well, I'm really, really hopeful that he does break into Hollywood. I know that's what he wants to do. I think that he's obviously an amazing entertainer, has just crushed it in the wwe. He's got such a huge platform. I think that he's a deep thinker. So, like, somebody like that who. I think if they had an even bigger platform, dude, oh, my God, like, they could really do something powerful. So not only do I think that is what's next for him, because I think he's the kind of guy that gets what he wants because he's persistent, and he really goes after it. I want it to be true. Like, I want him to get a bigger and bigger platform. So, yeah, man, that. That's something that if ever we can help him on that path, I would love to.
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B
It's funny, when he was talking about that last answer, I thought to myself, and I don't think this is his nature, but I was like, I wonder if he'll go into politics one day.
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C
That's really. As soon as you started that sentence, I thought that's what you're gonna say. That would be really interesting. And I could see that. Yeah, I could see that. Like, if he wasn't hell bent on Hollywood, I could definitely see that. And if he succeeds in Hollywood, I mean, then it's like double his chance or more.
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B
That's true.
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C
Crazy.
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B
But yeah, very. So thank you. That's it. Let's wrap it up. Cool.
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C
Guys, thank you so much for joining us for another episode of After Impact. Very, very grateful. If this is adding any value to your life, please do share it. Let the world know about Thaddeus Bullard, AKA Titus o'. Neill. I think more people need to hear his message and see just how far he's come. I mean, it's absolutely astonishing, and it's proof positive that you can do anything you set your mind to. All right, if you guys haven't already, be sure to subscribe. And until next time, my friends, be legendary. Take care, everybody. Thank you so much for listening. And if this content is delivering value to you, please go to itunes, go to Stitcher Rate and review us. That helps us build this community. And that is what we are all about right now. Building this community as big as we can to help as many people as we can deliver as much value as possible. And you guys, rating and reviewing really helps with that. All right, guys, thank you again so much. And until next time, my friends, be legendary.
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B
Take care.