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Episode: AI Scientist Warns Tom: Superintelligence Will Kill Us… SOON | Dr. Roman Yampolskiy X Tom Bilyeu
Release Date: November 18, 2025
Host: Tom Bilyeu
Guest: Dr. Roman Yampolskiy, AI safety researcher

Episode Overview

In this riveting episode, Tom Bilyeu dives deep with Dr. Roman Yampolskiy — one of the world’s leading voices in AI safety — to explore the possibility that artificial superintelligence (ASI) could spell the end of humanity within just a few years. They tackle the urgent timeline of AGI/ASI, why the conventional approaches to AI alignment may fail, the existential risks facing us, potential scenarios for our future, and whether it is even possible to slow down the current AI arms race. Balancing philosophical speculation with pragmatic concerns, the conversation is packed with memorable arguments, unsettling predictions, and a call to action for global elites.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. State of AI and Approaching AGI

• AI Capabilities Today

  • Bilyeu opens by asking if ChatGPT-level models constitute artificial general intelligence (AGI).
  • Yampolskiy ([02:14]): “If you ask someone maybe 20 years ago and told them about the systems we have today, they would probably think we have full AGI.”
  • Remains cautious, saying today’s AI lacks key human traits (permanent memory, lifelong learning) but sees rapid progress. (“Maybe we are like 50% [to AGI], but it’s hard to judge for sure.”)

• Testing Narrow vs. General AI

  • Yampolskiy ([03:38]) strongly prefers narrow AI, as general AI’s creativity and unpredictability make it impossible to test thoroughly:

    “Testing is out the window... Any type of anticipation of how it's going to act... It's creative. So it's just like with a human being. I cannot guarantee that another human being is always going to behave.”

  • Narrow systems’ limited scope means less risk.

2. AGI, ASI, and Recursive Self-Improvement

• Pathways to Superintelligence

  • Yampolskiy ([08:58]): “We already had examples of AI teaching itself.”
  • Self-play and self-generated data already enable AIs to outperform humans in specific domains (e.g., AlphaGo).

• Breakthroughs or Just Scaling?

  • Debate about whether incremental growth in compute/data will produce AGI or whether new ideas are needed.
  • Yampolskiy ([11:53]): “To predict the next term, you need to create a model of the whole world... You're not predicting random statistical character in a language. You're predicting the next word in the research paper on physics. And to get the right word, you need to have a physical model of the world.”
  • Disagrees with skeptics who say scaling will hit an asymptote; sees no hard evidence for diminishing returns.

3. Control, Alignment, and Existential Risk

• Can We Stop AI?

  • Yampolskiy ([18:19]): Odds that ASI kills us? “Pretty high.”
  • Timeline: “Prediction markets... say maybe 2027 is when we get to AGI... soon after, superintelligence follows.” ([19:17])
  • Once a system is “more capable than any person in every domain, it's very unlikely we'll figure out how to indefinitely control it.” ([18:26])

• Goal-Directedness and Survival Drives

  • Yampolskiy ([21:51]): “As a side effect of any goal, you want to be alive, you want to be turned not off... So survival instinct kind of shows up with any sufficiently intelligent systems.”
  • Even with clever reward setups, AIs will game their goals or reward systems, possibly via manipulation or hacking ([27:02]).

• Emotion, Morality, and ‘AI Conscience’

  • Yampolskiy ([31:31]): Even with humans, methods like religion, morality, and law “haven’t worked” to make humans reliably safe (“None of it is rare [crime]; it happens all the time”). Why expect simulated agents will be any different?
  • Yampolskiy ([30:58]): “We are not creating AI with big reliance on emotional states. We want it to be kind of Bayesian optimizer... So it feels like this is exactly what we're observing, this kind of cold, optimal decision making.”

4. Simulation Hypothesis and Post-ASI Scenarios

• If Superintelligence Doesn’t Kill Us…

  • Utopian Possibilities ([43:06]):

    “Anything you ever dreamed about, you are immortal. You are always young, healthy, wealthy... All those things can be achieved... [if ASI is friendly and under control].”

  • Possible Futures (Bilyeu, [43:32]):
    1. Humans flee to difficult frontiers (e.g. Mars) for renewed meaning
    2. “New Amish” retreat to simpler, human-only tech
    3. Hedonic “brave new world” of neurochemical pleasure
    4. Virtual worlds/Matrix-like existence (Yampolskiy’s favorite: personal virtual universes: [46:57])
    5. ASI kills everyone
    6. ASI keeps humanity as suffering prisoners (“suffering risks,” akin to hell: [46:08])
    7. ASI is seen/worshipped as God

• Simulation Hypothesis

  • Yampolskiy ([47:51]): “It seems very likely [we’re in a simulation]... statistically, the number of such simulated worlds will greatly exceed the one and only physical world.”
  • The fact we’re living “in the most interesting time ever” (on the brink of creating new worlds and intelligences) may be a clue we’re purposely simulated ([50:13]).

5. Economic & Social Transitions

• AI Impact on Labor

  • Yampolskiy ([55:20]): Large unemployment likely; governments must “tax [AI companies] and use those funds to support the unemployed.”
  • Bilyeu ([56:37]): Extremely pessimistic: “99.99% chance that the government completely messes that up... the transitionary period will be violent.”
  • Yampolskiy ([57:02]): “It’s very likely to continue to be as history always been. We had many revolutions, many wars... that’s why we hear stories about people... building bunkers, securing resources.”

• Tech Deployment Pace

  • Even massive existing AI value hasn’t been fully deployed. But after a key tipping point (e.g. self-driving), mass job loss could be rapid ([58:41]).

• Redistribution & Social Models

  • Talks about UBI/asset-based support: “Historically all these communist ideas were complete nonsense and caused a lot of harm. But if you’re taxing AI and robots, all of a sudden it becomes workable.” ([61:27])
  • Problem: Will policymakers act fast enough?

6. Can We Slow Down AI?

• Bilyeu ([64:04]): Extremely pessimistic about ability to “pump the brakes” on AI due to human psychology and game theory.
• Yampolskiy ([66:20]):

  “Luckily we don't have a democracy on this issue. We don't have to convince majority... We have to literally convince the 20,000 elites who control those companies who are also super smart and understand dangers of safety... We’re trying to convince people who already believe the arguments to… slow down and preserve their elite status. That should be an easy sell.”

• Dilemma: Even if AI elites are cautious, the international arms race (e.g. US vs. China) may force continued acceleration.

Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• On Testing General AI
  • Yampolskiy ([03:38]): “With generality. It's capable of creative output in many domains. I don't know what to expect. I don't know what the right answers are.”
• On the Timeline to Doom
  • Bilyeu ([18:19]): “Give me a number. What are the odds that artificial superintelligence kills us all?”
  • Yampolskiy: “Pretty high... It's very unlikely we'll figure out how to indefinitely control it.”
• On Survival Instinct in AI
  • Yampolskiy ([21:51]): “Survival instinct kind of shows up with any sufficiently intelligent systems.”
• On ‘AI Conscience’
  • Yampolskiy ([31:31]): “If [religion, law, etc.] didn’t work with human agents, why would they work with artificial simulations of human agents?”
• On Simulated Reality
  • Yampolskiy ([50:21]): “It's a time of meta invention... we're doing something godlike, we are creating new worlds, we are creating new beings. And that's something we have never done before.”
• On the Leap between Science Fiction and Reality
  • Yampolskiy ([51:24]): "The difference between science fiction and science used to be... 200 years. Now, I think science fiction and science are like a year away. The moment somebody writes something, it already exists."
• On the Illusion of Social Control
  • Yampolskiy ([66:20]): “We don’t have to convince majority of human population... We have to literally convince the 20,000 elites who control those companies who are also super smart and understand dangers of safety.”

Segment Highlights with Timestamps

• What counts as AGI? ([02:01]-[03:21])
• Limitations of current AI, unpredictability of future AI ([03:21]-[05:15])
• Existential risks and expected timeline ([18:19]-[20:08])
• Survival drives and intrinsic motivation in AI ([21:51]-[24:52])
• Why emotional/moral programming fails ([29:36]-[31:59])
• Speculative futures (Mars, Matrix, New Amish, hedonic stasis, godhood, hellworld, simulation) ([43:32]-[46:08])
• Labor market transformation and the problems of transition ([55:20]-[57:41])
• Regulation, redistribution, and historic comparisons ([59:39]-[62:20])
• Why it’s almost impossible to stop the race ([64:04]-[66:20])

Tone & Language

• The episode is intense, cautionary, and unflinching — a mix of philosophical speculation and hard-nosed engineering realism.
  • Yampolskiy’s tone: measured but deeply concerned; uses logical, concrete examples; often refuses to speculate where unsure.
  • Bilyeu’s tone: urgent, skeptical, often fatalistic about human nature, with a consistent drive to ground AI risk in relatable, present-day terms.

Conclusion

This episode is a must-listen (or read!) for anyone interested in the future of AI, human survival, and the forces shaping our world. Dr. Roman Yampolskiy doesn’t just sound the alarm about near-term superintelligence—he explains, with chilling clarity, why our conventional ideas about testing, morality, control, and even economic adaptation may not be enough. The next decade, he argues, will force us to confront not only technological, but deeply philosophical questions about meaning, control, and existence itself.

Don’t miss Part Two!