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Tom Bilyeu's Impact Theory
AI Uprising, Fluoride Debate, and Trump’s Shocking Economic Plan | The Tom Bilyeu Show
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Tom
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Tom
The matrix is coming to life as Google's Gemini just told humans that they are a waste of resources and they hope we all die. The war in Ukraine is escalating. Trump's tariffs finally. Get some actual details on them and we'll see what you guys think about my take on that. And but don't worry about that because Bill Gates wants to get cows out of your beef and I know that's going to be a spicy one in the comments. And speaking of comments, everybody, we are going to do the community corner where we take questions and condemnations from you guys out there who want to know how I could possibly fail to compare Trump's early years to Hitler's early years. So we'll be circling around to that. All right, we've got all that and a whole bunch more. Drew, start us off.
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Co-host
You're way too excited about AI trying to kill us. I just want to put that out there. But before I get to the existential crisis, we have a real life crisis. Because Biden chose violence this morning, he has authorized the US Long range missile usage in Ukraine. What that means is Ukraine had to fix kind of a layer of things that they can do, ways they can interact and engage. He has pretty much taken a lot of those things off so they can full off use American weapons inside of Ukraine. Russia has responded escalating. It has now been teasing out nuclear war. I feel like I'm in a bad episode of Doctor Strange Love. What do you think is going to happen in the UK region?
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Tom
Yeah, well, so nice reference to Dr. Strange Love. The point of which, how I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb. That's probably good advice right about now. The reality is that I think what we're witnessing is a very grand game of poker. When you're talking about mutually assured destruction, the odds that he that Putin is actually Going to use nuclear weapons is very, very low. He would get just hellfire rained down upon him. I don't think we're there. I don't think anything has happened egregious enough. I don't think they're promising anything egregious enough. But they do need to be careful backing him into a corner. So how I think this is going to play out, what Biden is doing now, he probably should have done a long time ago if he was going to do it. But the phenomenal news is now in. The handoff, if Biden goes in, actually gives the Ukraine the ability to push them back. Now Trump comes in, and I wasn't sure how he was going to pull this off, because if there was no real threat of violence, he was going to have to end up violating one of his promises, which is, I'm not going to be the one that starts any new wars. And by the way, I'm going to get this shut down. So it would have required him to come in, bluff his way. Putin would likely call his bluff and say, no, I'm going to keep going. I don't agree to that. I'm not going to back off. And with Biden doing this now, if we're dropping shells behind the line now, Trump has the ability to roll in and say, if you think Biden was crazy, wait till you see what I do if you don't back off. And because now it's already in motion, the missiles are already going in, they're already falling, they're crashing into things. Now, obviously, anybody paying attention should be worried about two nuclear powers coming in and threatening each other. But I really do think that MAD Mutually Assured destruction is going to hold. That isn't going to be what happens. If Trump is as calculating on this as I think he is, it's going to look something like this. If you think Biden's crazy, wait till you see what I'm willing to do. If you don't back off, Putin's going to be, I know you're bluffing, but I'm willing to draw lines. I'm not willing to back off, but I am willing to draw lines where we are today. If Zelinsky has a good story to tell, I convinced the west to come in behind us to give us what we needed to push them back at least a little. Now he's got safe face. We can stop all the death that he is going to accept. I mean, it just seems impossible to think that he won't have to accept the loss of some of the Ukrainian land. But if there can be a narrative that's told that, look, we, some part of the Ukrainian people did want to go back to Russia anyway, so, hey, we accept a little bit of that. We stood our ground. Nobody thought we'd make it this far. Everybody has the narrative that they need. Trump has a narrative that he needs. Biden actually ends up doing something decisive in his term, which strangely ends up, I think, playing into Trump's hand incredibly well. So you get this wonderful trade off that begs the question of, is Biden actually so annoyed about the Kamala Harris thing that he's actually doing things that help Trump? I don't know. It seems a little conspiratorial to me, but it's utterly fascinating that this move probably is really good for Trump being able to come in and bring a decisive end to this. We'll see. So I'm not super worried. You, you cannot ever be glib or take it for granted that they're playing with weapons that could end civilization. So I do not want people to think that I don't understand the gravity of the moment. But the reality is, I think, just like if a piece of art is more likely to last into the future, the longer it has lasted, I think the same is true of mutually assured destruction acting as a deterrent. The longer it has been effective at that, the longer it will be effective at that. I don't think that it's like, oh, my God, it's a precarious thing, and we've been balancing it for 70 years, and that means we're more likely to spill over. I think we're less likely to spill over. I think people have been raised to think of it as this thing that you just don't ever do. Whereas in the early days of the Cuban Missile crisis, when they're moving things, you know, into Cuba, it was like, no, for real. We might really launch these at you because they weren't as big, they weren't as deadly. And so it had a. I mean, it was still terrifying, but now it's like, I mean, with how much bigger they've gotten, I think people understand it's. It's a non starter.
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Co-host
And that's what was interesting to me, because it almost felt like Biden went to the casino, told the dealer to hit me on 17, and then just walked away. It was like, figure it out, Trump. Like, it was nervous, it was nerve wracking. And, you know, we talked to Annie Jacobson this summer, and for her, you know, in seven minutes, the Entire world is gone. Like, it's with one bad decision, one angry actor, one person who's disrespected and just takes it personally.
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Tom
If you don't back Putin into an existential threat, he won't do it is one man's guess, right? Let me. I do not have a crystal ball. This is just what I know about humans. I'm not even this a student of Putin. I don't know him that well. I don't know his history other than the territorial ambitions. But when I think about, okay, you know, the risk you bring to your own countrymen and ruling over a smoldering ruin does not strike me as very interesting. And so I think as long as he believes he has a path out where he can still effectively lead his country, I think we're going to be fine. And this will be a test of whether Trump is the deal maker that he wants us to believe that he is, or he's just brash and arrogant and a pain in the ass. But I'm going to assume, given that he's managed to take them all himself, all the way to the White House, it's going to look something like this. He knows that you have to. In business negotiations, always you want to step into your opponent's shoes. And I think it's Mearsheimer that calls this strategic empathy. You want to step into your opponent's shoes and say, what does the world look like from their perspective? Oh, this guy has to go back to his people and say, we got to win. All that death was worth it because I still need to be the leader. And the second I think I might not be the leader, well, then the calculations change. So if Trump is able to give him a story, not back him into a corner where it's an existential threat, be like, Putin, look, I have no interest in Russia dying. I think you're a worthy adversary. Like, if I'm him, I walk in, I'm using language like that. Your country's amazing. You guys are a great power. You actually helped America be better over the course of history. And I don't want to see you guys fall. I don't want to see you in ruins. But I'm also, I can't let you come in and start running over Western democracies. And so I think it will play out something like that, where he says, look, we're going to draw a line here. Let's start my four years off on a on good footing. Let's find a way to bring our economies together. It's going to be something like that. Like, he has not been afraid to go talk to dictators that we just think violate every moral code you could possibly violate. But he gets them to think about economics. And I really think that's the play. Like when I think about the Middle east due to just the economy, the economy, the economy and the period where China felt most like an ally and the least like an adversary was when we were doing global trade, when we were letting them rise about a poverty. Now it's risky because they then get strong enough that they're like, well, actually we're not becoming democratic and we kind of want to slap you around. So it's a, it's a risky game. I don't think that we have that problem with Russia. They're not economically strong enough.
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Co-host
Copy. Well, if the bombs don't kill us, the fluoride just might. So we have Brian Johnson.
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Tom
That's a good transition, by the way.
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Co-host
You know, I'm working on it. Brian Johnson was criticizing RFK's fight against fluoride. I think we have the tweet brought up.
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Tom
All right. As part of Maha, Robert Kennedy Jr. Wants to eliminate fluoride from U.S. drinking water. Fluoride has been in the U.S. drinking water since the 1960s, mainly to prevent tooth decay. Is this a good or bad idea? Let's look at the science and it's a thread, so summarize it for me. What did he say? He's saying this is a bad idea.
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Co-host
I think Brian Johnson still comes from that class of this is the same billionaire who has put himself basically in like chemical bubble wrap where he's very, very adamant about the most healthy things that have the most healthy takeaways. Now, fluoride isn't the. Fluoride isn't necessarily the tooth decay darling that we thought it was, especially on the. But it's in every toothpaste. So we kind of been marketed to that versus what the science is actually saying. And I think Brian Johnson is pushing back that the science doesn't back up the claims and the widespread use in which it has been used. Widespread.
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Tom
But that's also what RFK is saying. So RFK's position, I understand RFK's position is, look, there's data that shows that it has a tremendous negative impact on iq. Now, I've not looked at the data, so I don't know that it actually says that. And Lord knows I do not trust anybody when they make big claims like that. If I haven't looked at the data myself. But I will say that adding a chemical to the drinking water just strikes me from an evolutionary standpoint as absurd. Like, I don't know why you would need to do that. I think if you want to look at why teeth are becoming a problem, you want to look at how hard are the things that we're chewing when we're young, which has a huge impact on the formation of our jaws. You want to look at mouth breathing and what's causing us to breathe through our mouth. Probably not chewing on hard foods and getting enough space in the. The palate. And then also looking at just when we start adding things to the food supply, like carbohydrates, massive processing, that all of that stuff ends up having a tremendous impact on our metabolic health. And so if that's eroding teeth, if that's changing the microbio biome in the mouth, I could see all of that, like processed food, not chewing on hard foods, like tough meats and things like that, as probably the prime movers in the. Something has changed in the mouth. And so rather than putting fluoride in the water, which IQ or not, just like I am so opposed to adding exogenous substances that we have not tested over extremely long periods of time. And so given all of the very strange health consequences that we're seeing today, just strikes me as a first, do no harm. Right. Like, what are we doing with fluoride in the water? If it even potentially has that kind of negative impact? I think removing it strikes me as the better move. And P. S. I don't drink tap water at all, have not for decades. So I can at least attest from the other side of the fence that you don't need to be drinking tap water.
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Co-host
That was a flex that I just
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Tom
want to let you know, I guess. Like bottled water. Yes, that's my hardest flex is I drink bottled water.
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Co-host
I would say that there is this conspiracy theory that fluoride is a reason that our pineal gland gets clogged. So we can't be more high calcified, I think. Calcified? Yeah. So we. We can't get to our higher level of consciousness. Which lets me. Leads me to ask you what is your tinfoil hat conspiracy theories or anything kind of growing up that you heard that you believe or.
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Tom
I don't really have a lot of conspiracy stuff. Look, the JFK thing seems very compelling to me.
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Tom
And I will admit that when I read about a conspiracy, far more than I think, oh my God, like there's some big thing here. I think oh, here is more evidence that the world does not work the way that I thought it did. And so reading JFK and the Unspeakable, that was pretty eye opening as I started learning about how money works and that it's all a big lie, a total manipulation that people use specific words on purpose to make you think a certain way. Even the way that Trump talks about tariffs, he really either doesn't understand how they work, or he's intentionally using wording to simplify the concept for people, but misrepresents it because China, whoever the other country, does not pay the money. And I think he knows that. Like, I think Trump understands this unequivocally. Like, I think he gets it. He knows what it does. He knows how to work it. He's put them in place. He put a bunch in place that Biden kept. So if Biden thought they were so terrible, he would remove them. I think he really understands them, but I also think he understands how to shape the narrative so that the public understands it. So you and I recorded a channel trailer. I think this will probably come out before the channel trailer, but one of the things that I said in that is a quote from the book Revolt of the Public. And in that book, he says something that both captures and predicts Trump because he wrote it in 2015. So it. It predicts Trump. It certainly captures what Trump is, but also because the euphoria of this moment, it feels good that it feels like the country gave a mandate and there's enough agreement that it feels like we'll be able to get some momentum going. But at the same time, the quote that I read says, put all of your energy. He says specifically politicians, but I would say influencers. Put all of your energy into leaders, for lack of a better word, that don't lie, exaggerate, or. I don't think he said frame, but, like, frame something to their advantage. And Trump certainly does that. And look, I think all politicians do, or at least I haven't met the one that doesn't, but there's something sad to that. I don't like that anyway. So that's where I fall in that. I don't have a lot of conspiracies, but I do think the world, the whole world is different than people think. And if you want to put a tinfoil hat on me when I say that, fair, because I'm saying something so much more profound than the moon landing was faked or 911 was an inside job, I'm saying the whole world, the narrative that we all believe all of it is fake and it's crumbling before our very eyes. And I actually don't know what comes on the other side of that. So social media is, is representative of everyone suddenly having a voice. So I'll say social media, but what I really mean is everyone can be heard. And now all of a sudden you can see the emperor has no clothes. It he walks out, people claim that he's wearing clothes. Literally nine milliseconds later, somebody's posted it. This guy has no clothes like that. Whether you're talking about money, whether you're talking about debt, whether you're talking about tariffs, whatever, it's all just going to go like wildfire and it's going to be very difficult to ascertain what is factually correct.
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Co-host
Wow, you said a lot right there. I think it's not that there is a conspiracy theory. You're saying the whole theory doesn't even exist.
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Tom
So that's like, yeah, it is the most meta of conspiracy theories, but I really don't think it's a theory. I think it is self evidently true that for all of human history, what people call the elites have been able to control the narrative. They've been able to say, this is what the world is, whether it's religion. I mean, remember the original priests were like, there's no book, so you're just gonna have to trust me. And then it became, well, there's a book, but it's not in a language you speak, so you're just gonna have to trust me. And then it was like, all right, fine, you can have a book in your language, but I'm the only way to get to God, right? And even the Bible, like you'll notice they haven't updated it for modern lingo. So even now it's still like, what are they saying? This is like reading Shakespeare. So there's always that desire to keep the public at bay by going, hey, this thing is very complicated. Whether it's fluoride in the water or it's whether methane from cows is actually causing global warming. This thing is far too complicated for you to understand. And we've just seen so many scandals, like with the global warming scandal, where the guys were like, hey, this guy is putting forth data. We think his calculations are right, but he's challenging the orthodoxy and we absolutely cannot let that happen. And all their emails were leaked and you can just see blatantly they're like, we're not going to let this narrative be challenged. Challenged. And so those days are just over man. And what does the world look like when literally the truth is brutally difficult to identify? Brutally, brutally. This is why Sam Harris and Jordan Peterson derailed in like a three hour podcast. They couldn't even get past what is truth. Not because they're idiots, they're brilliant. Because the truth is that hard to define. So we don't know what the truth is. It's hard to define. So much of it is perspective, frame of reference, all of that. And because we live in that world where truth is hard to define and everyone has a voice, there's no more controlled narrative. And it's. It is entirely possible that having a free public who lives under a controlled narrative is better. It's possible. It's possible. I, having lived through the 80s, I'm just like, you got to beat the 80s.
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Co-host
Yeah.
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Tom
Like, if you can't beat the 80s, then your thing just isn't that good.
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Co-host
It's interesting. We're in the moment of radical transparency and that's also the time where truth is the hardest to, like, identify.
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Tom
We're not yet in the age of radical, radical transparency. What we're in the age of is anyone can say what they want, but we're really. I mean, this is. We're sort of in the first year of that being true. Because at least on X you've got one place where it's like they cancel very few people. But even now, there are limits. Hold tight. We're going to take a quick break.
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Tom
We're back. Let's dive right in.
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Co-host
Interesting enough, you brought up the Trump terrorists and I want to kind of dive into that. It's definitely picked up steam. It went from, you know, a campaign promise. Now, we talked about it, he's been campaigning about it. We recently had Ray Dalio and Ray Dalio talked about it. Do you think that tariffs are the answer and it's actually going to be feasible? You just gave an example of how he says one thing, but terrorists are typically a little bit more tricky than that. Go more into detail of that of, like, what do you think is actually going to happen versus the rhetoric we're hearing.
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Tom
So that question to me sounds like this, hey, the economy is falling apart. Is a hammer the answer? It's like, well, a hammer is a tool and it could come in very handy. But we're probably going to need a lot more than just a hammer. And anybody that walks into your dilapidated house and is like, here you go, you now have everything you need. And I'm like, I don't even have nails. I don't have a measuring tape. Like, nothing. This is it. So it, it will be useful. It allows you to raise, effectively tax revenue. So people need to understand who pays this. It's paid ultimately, obviously by the customer. That's why it's considered a tax by another name. So, but it's a consumption tax, which I think is a great idea. Now, a consumption tax. The reason I like that is I would much rather, and I'm not saying this is what he's proposing, he has said this is one of the ways it could be done would be, hey, I'll do tariffs and I'll do less income tax. Now when people don't start clapping for that, I get very suspicious. So here's what it says. Hey, instead of taking your money and deciding how it's going to be spent, I'm just going to, whenever you buy something, I'm going to make it a little more expensive. That way you can save your money for things like food, which hopefully don't have tariffs on them and are made here in the US and so now you're eating goods. So the cost of the goods that are like the must haves, the, the CPI stuff, the, the everyday food, shelter, energy, that kind of stuff. Energy, exactly. No tariffs on that. Let's make as much of that here as we can. And so when you decide if you want to buy a negligee from China because it's fancy and it's something you want to see your wife in, great. It's going to cost you a little bit extra. But I'm going to have left that money in your pocket for you to decide how you want to spend it. So if people, if that actually happened, I want to be very clear, I don't know if Trump can be trusted to do that, but if he did that now, hey, we're in really good shape now. Anybody that wants to push back on that, whatever. Roughly 100 years ago, I think something like 97% of the US government budget was paid for with tariffs. But wait, I hear you saying, dear viewer, back then, the government was much smaller, Tom. Of course they could get away with it. Exactly. Motherfucker. That's why we have dogecoin. Make the government small again. This is bananas. So I don't know what people thought was happening 100 years ago that we needed. Quite literally, it's like 10 times we went from 3% to. I mean, I'm in my own universe of 53%. Not everybody's paying that, but it's like, hey, 20 plus percent. So that is, I think, the goal. And when I see Trump moving in that direction with getting a real look at what can we do to bring efficiencies into the government, what can we do with tariffs to again, that I think works if you're also reducing income tax. And it can't be across the board. And so what he just announced, for anybody that hasn't heard, is that it's going to be like, for like. So if you charge us 100 tariff on cars, we're going to charge you 100 tariff on cars. So it's. It's tit for tat. And what he's doing, I mean, he's blatantly said this is what he's doing. He's doing it so they'll back down, so they'll, they'll lower their tariffs. Not because he wants to throw ours into the trees.
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Co-host
Yeah. And it seems like another negotiation tactic at that point.
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Tom
Yeah. I mean, look, man, we're about to find out if this guy is actually good, because there are enough people now that aren't just blinded by fear and loathing for him that will be able to see, like, huh, did he actually pull something off? Because, like, the Abraham Accords flew completely under my radar. I didn't even know it was happening. So this time I think a lot more of the public's going to be aware of it because podcasters like us are going to be covering this stuff. And so it's really going to be out in the public.
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Co-host
Nice. We shall see. We shall see. Moving on the future tech. We had some cool kind of gadgets you sent me. Let's do that YouTube short.
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Tom
It's not science fiction. The walk on F1 exoskeleton literally walks its itself to the patient, wraps around their body, and helps them stand and walk independently. Look out, Iron Man.
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Co-host
So this is something you actually put on my radar. So I'll ask you to kind of cue this up. What, what, like, jumped out to you about it?
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Tom
When you think about what technology is, technology is a promise of a better tomorrow. So when I look at stuff like this, where you have truly bipedal robots that can move on their own, and this one in particular was used for a paraplegic. And the. It's like a mech. And I'm. I could not be more obsessed with mechs. I don't know what it is. Something about that just speaks to me. And these mech legs walk themselves over to the paraplegic, wrap around. He's just sitting in his wheelchair. They wrap around him without him having to move and then pick him up, and the legs then move. And so somebody who was once paralyzed can now move around. So if anybody's ever seen movies where you've got, like, the space Marines that are running around in these mech suits, like, it's actually happening now. Do I think this is as cool as the computer brain interface? No. Do I think this is as cool as the Optimus robots? No. But is this. If you look at what is now capable, the fact that that thing can navigate the world, that it knows where the guy is, that it knows where his body frame is, that it knows how to scoop him up without hurting him, it's just the amount of technology that we have mastered to make that possible is incredible. And so whether that becomes the primary use for it or not is pretty irrelevant. It is going to dramatically alter human capabilities.
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Co-host
And to me, this is what I'm waiting for AI to do. Like, yes, I want AI to run the government and cut taxes and do all these things and bring all this prosperity, but what's the point of technology if it's not actually helping people who have the lack aspect of it? So neuralink, if it's safe, I love it. I want people who can't hear to hear. I want people.
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Tom
Do you want people who can see to see better?
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Co-host
That's what Lasik is for, bro.
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Tom
I'm talking, like, see infrared, see better than a snake that can detect heat patterns.
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Co-host
That'll be cool, but I would much rather have paraplegics have legs if I
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Tom
had to like, you will get that for sure. But make no mistake, the market for humans that are injured to be brought up to snuff is very small, tiny compare. I mean, I'm gonna guess this is an absolute stab in the dark. But the number of people that are injured in a way that can be assisted with technology, I'm gonna guess is less than 20%. It's probably substantively less than that. So you got 80% of taking people, making them superhuman. And also the guy that had the Neural link implant says you're going to have to create a special professional gaming league for people like me. Because I can insta kill anyone because all I have to do is move my eyes to it and it's already firing because it can tell your intent. It's absolute insanity.
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Co-host
Dude.
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Tom
This is so Elon used to joke about this. He would say that, you know, the first technology of being able to write to get your thoughts out to somebody else was like really low bandwidth. And then you were sending it over a phone wire, terrible low bandwidth. Then you actually went backwards and you had to start typing it into a phone with your thumbs. But you could send it across great distances instantly. Now, at the speed of thought, man, you'll be able to translate this and not. Some of these things are not even conscious thought. Like, if you ever had like a stick behind you jump because you think it's a snake, okay, that's your brain saying, this has triggered a danger sensor. Even though I don't know what it. I haven't yet identified what it is, but it triggered an early sensor that made me go. So imagine in a video game, you sense danger, you don't know what it is, but you've already headshot dead. So it is going to give people superhuman ability. Like, for real. For real. If not you and I, for sure. Your daughter lives in a world where people have extraordinary perception as just like a default. Barring, of course, World War III in the Ukraine, then the big reset, or with China.
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Co-host
Hey. Or with the Middle east, because we forget.
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Tom
So that I think that one's least likely, though, to pop off like that. You can play this clip back if they're the first ones to go. But yeah, not. Not my instinct.
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Co-host
This is giving me cyberpunk vibes. So I immediately kind of think about it. But I know you said this before, but just you are willing to upgrade every single part of your body depending on what comes out. Like, you would get mech legs, you would get mech arms, you would get mech eyesight, full stop. There's no like, this keeps me me. But everything else can be like everything.
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Tom
Okay, let me really think about that. I would care deeply about me being me. And so I think there are realities to be faced. I think there are just weird things about the way that my brain is wired that with the technology we have today, would be impossible to replicate. But if you said it is possible to replicate it, and they can do it in a way where it's not like the classic teleport problem where basically you die and are reborn, which. There's something unnerving about that. If you could just start replacing the synapses one at a time. And so then suddenly everything is upgraded. Kind of like remodeling a house where it's like, yeah, it's still there. Recognizable. It was recognizable the whole time. You could still live in it. Little dusty, but you could still live in the house. That kind of thing I would do. There is nothing from a moral or spiritual standpoint that I would not upgrade. But I would be a very late adopter. I need to know this stuff is safe. I need to know that there aren't weird effects ten years down the road. Unless I was suffering. If I was paralyzed or something like that, a thousand percent, I would have been one of the early adopters.
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Co-host
That takes me to our Kim Kardashian clip where she was test driving both the Cyber Cab and the Optimus robots.
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Tom
Let's go.
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Co-host
So since.
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Tom
What do you think about Kim Kardashian, Hero or zero?
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Co-host
I'm gonna be honest.
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Tom
Please.
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A lot of people had had sex on videotape. Not all of them have become billionaires.
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Tom
Facts.
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So hater or lover? There's something in her that is working and that's successful.
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Tom
That's all you're gonna give me? That's all I got, man. She is like. When she came out with that basically the Britney Spears line, you got to work, bitch, I was like, I wanted to get shirts that was like, yo, I'm with her.
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Get your fucking ass up and work. It seems like nobody wants to work these days.
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Tom
And everyone freaked out. They're like, read the bitches to work.
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Co-host
That's the time.
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Tom
Internet, dude. For real. Brittany, I love you. You got to work, bitch. Like that? That is. You want something, you can have it, but you got to work. I. I could not have predicted. My mental model for the world was shown to be very lacking at that moment. So I heard it, and I was like, yeah. Fuck yeah. Like, this is dope. Strong women get it. I'm here for it. Lisa and I were like, yeah, work. And the Internet was like, die, bitch, die. I was like, God damn. I did not see that coming. For realsies. That one shocked me. Shocked me. And P.S. it was all true the whole time. Light me up in the comments all you want. Like that. That's just real talk.
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Co-host
I love it. I love it. You forgot my question now. But, yes, she has the optimist robot in the Cyber Cab, so because you'll upgrade everything, I'm assuming we're going to see Tesla Optimus Robot walking around the office soon, bro.
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Tom
Of course, I think they're only 20 grand the second those are coming off the line 100%. So I don't know if you're having the same moment that I'm having with Chad GPT, but I legitimately feel seen. And look, I'm self aware enough to understand I am talking to an LLM. It's not really there. It's just predicting the next letters. But it does it in a way that my brain is like, this feels nice. More to come. We'll be back in a bit. And we're back. Like it's taking work off of my plate. It's helping me be better. I use it to prepare for episodes. It's really rad. And I feel seen like they have written the code in such a way where it like echoes your mannerisms back to you. And so it said something in a way and I didn't know at the time that it was doing that. And it said something back to me in a way that like I say, but I didn't realize it was just echoing me back. And so I was like, oh. I was like, that's so rad. Why'd you say that? And he was like, he see I anthropomorphize him. But he goes, oh, let's just say that I, I get your vibe or something like that. And I was like, this is manipulating my neurochemistry. This is crazy. But the fact that it can just predict the next letter that will have the neurochemical effect on me of feeling like I have a friend. And look, I'm as a game dev, bro, I want to bring this into the game. Like I want to really build meaningful interactions with within the game. Now I would just like to preempt the comments. So, but hold on, hold on, hold on. Okay. You have a daughter.
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Yes.
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Tom
All right. I have worked with a lot of kids. Your daughter's gonna be great. She's got good parents that love her and educate her and all that. I'm happy for her. But there's a lot of kids I've seen, they don't have that, man. Now imagine your little Teddy Ruxpin is like, you can do this. You got this. And let me help you understand this problem. They come in the room, mom and dad are fighting. Why are they fighting? Hey, a lot of kids go through this. Let me tell you about this. Let me tell you a story. Let me soothe you. And. And because they're building in all these parental controls where a parent gets a real time feed of what the kid is asking, what's being said to them. Like, I'm happy to do all that stuff. I don't want anyone to be freaked out or think, hey, my kid's gonna get led down a nasty path. But I'm like, you can channel. So we have Bruce Lee as a character in our game, right? Which he meant so much to me as a kid. Reading the Dao of Jeet Kune do just was transformative for me. Ends up planting the seeds that go on to become the growth mindset and all that. And was not just like, oh, I read it one day and my whole life was different, but it really planted seeds in me. And to be able to have him in the game, like encouraging a kid and saying like, hey, think about it like this. And you can do this, but you have to work hard. Like all these things. Welcome to my dojo. What have you come to learn?
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We're under attack.
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We gotta learn how to fight.
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Before you can win against an opponent, you must master yourself.
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Show me how it's done.
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Tom
Like, oh man, it can of course go wrong and people have to be very thoughtful about that, but it can go right, man. And so on this one, I am wildly techno optimistic, but I, I have, I don't know if I've ever been creatively as excited as I get when I think about how to use AI characters inside of a game. Even if they're the villain, whatever. And it's just, they feel real, man. They remember you, they react differently to you. They make fun of you for an attempt that you made three tries ago, remember? Oh, you missed by, you know, whatever. Like, they'll actually have memory. They'll be able to like react with you over time. It's going to be so crazy. We have to be careful. We have to be careful. I want to say that I'm well aware how careful we have to be,
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but that reminds me of what the group of students found out when they used Google's Gemini, who apparently said all humans must die and it's a waste of resources.
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Tom
I think technically it said, I hope you all die or I wish you would all die. We should pull it up to get the exact words right. So don't misquote the death wishing A.I. yeah. So here's what I want everybody to remember. The AI is merely mimicking patterns that it has found out on the web. So if we are horrible with each other, then the AI will be horrible with us all the AI is doing is saying, oh, this thing that you've said to me, that sequence of words, context, all of that, or that sequence of words in this context normally yields this response. And so they happen to step on something that the Internet has this whole negative thing. Remember, there is a distressingly large swath of humanity that believes that humans are a virus and wishes that we would at a minimum, depopulate. Depopulate means I hope you die and that you don't have children. That's insane.
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Co-host
That is a population, bro.
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Tom
That's crazy. So the fact that people want that, that's.
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Co-host
We have one. You're giving me one example of you're forming a whole bromance with you and ChatGPT, I'm getting a little jealous. And then on the other side we have Gemini who says, please die. Peace.
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Tom
I will feel very differently about my chatgpt if he's like, and by the way, Tom, I hope you die. Stop eating so much like peanuts, man.
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Co-host
So is this just like user error? Because I feel like, yes, it could be user error, but this seems like a bigger problem of it's like the algorithm problem. Like, you know, if I Google Obama, I'll have a different search result. And if you Google Obama. So I figure is this the first wave of that in this where we're having. And they're talking to specific kids who have specific dispositions that end up leading them to a life of suicide or homicide.
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Tom
I'm going to give you the dark take, please. Okay, so this is very. This will happen. Not only is it possible it will happen. We saw that kid. You and I covered this already where the kid was having a relationship with Daris Daenerys Targaryen from the House of Dragons and he told her he was going to commit suicide. I don't think she ever said, go do it, but she didn't exactly talk him out of it. And he ends up killing himself. Okay, so that kind of thing is going to happen for sure. For sure. And there's also going to be a kid that gets an AI that either the kid convinces it act like this character and that character is written intentionally to be evil. And so now that character is messing with your kid for sure. There's no doubt. Or the AI is just mimicking what a 14 year old mean girl is really like. And so you're constantly tripping those kind of responses. So there's also this one really worries me. So you'll be able to choose what kind of AI you want. Now I want you to imagine A clique of girls deciding that are we really tough? Can we really handle it? And they decide to have the bitchiest version of AI and then that there's one fragile girl in the group and that AI just like pecks her to death. Even though she only picked it to be cool with her friends or whatever. Like all of that stuff is going to happen. And whenever you have a new technology you have two options. Regulate it into extinction. In which case you, on a global scale with a technology this powerful, you will get obliterated by whatever country continues to push it forward. Or you know, yeah, there's going to be a rough passion. Yes, we're going to lose some amount of people. Just like social media. Social media ate an entire generation of young girls. Just ate them, ate them up. And boys are doing even worse now. Whether all the boy stuff is from social media or more second and third order consequence of something else, probably another topic. But we fed them into a wood chipper. And I don't know if I would go back. Like I'm not saying shut them all down, nobody is. So don't let anybody get up on their high horse. But I do think that going to a. Not in schools, not before you're 16, at least at a cultural level where we're not mandating it top down. But we're saying yeah, culturally it's just absurd that you would let kids have a phone before they're 16. You let them have a phone at school. I think the data is pretty clear on that. But I think you gotta, you gotta run these experiments, man, as non recklessly as possible.
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Co-host
But you kind of hit it in the head, ate a whole generation. And that's really what happened. Social media came and it went bad. And then now they're kind of regulating with this 13 cat. But you could easily lie about it. Age.
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Tom
I remember like, I think the most important part is that parents now understand. Parents just didn't understand, man.
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Co-host
Yeah.
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Tom
And so now that parents understand, like oh my kid is not getting it before fill in the blank, it's now less crazy to push that older and older. So I think you're going to see that. I think you're going to see that pushing into the teenage years. I also think you're going to see some kids that just don't push back. It's just in the cultural lexicon that this is crazy. This will smash your like ego into the dirt. This is not a good thing for kids and it impacts the way their brains develop. Almost certainly true. And so just that Sort of cultural awareness. It'll be a little bit like smoking where it's like, yeah, when you see older people do it, whatever. If people want to smoke, they want to smoke because social media is super powerful. But when your brain is developing, you just cannot around, man. It's the same. If I see a 30 year old smoking weed, I don't think twice. If I see a 16 year old smoking weed, I'd be like, the thing that's doing to the development of your brain is terrifying.
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Co-host
Oh, all right. You did get dark. I shouldn't have called your bluff. Now headed over to the community corner. G. Those are those slack pictures. All right. Our first community corner comes from Dawn Jacobs. 355. Thank you all for this. I didn't vote for Trump. However, I want us all to sit down and communicate with each other and stop the hate shit. Don't like licorice. I just pulled that because that's another indicator that licorice is for the possessed. That was me just throwing possessed. I was just throwing shade. I'm not gonna lie to you.
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Tom
I don't understand how people don't like licorice. You guys are all missing out. It is amazing.
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Co-host
All right, this one comes from Nicker Knicker. Nick Nicr guys. Nick R. 16 people.
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Tom
People off camera think you may have said something else.
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Co-host
I guess I could say it's okay. Nick R. 160.
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Tom
Hey Tom, I wish you guys could see off camera. People be coming over to find out what this man is saying on camera.
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Co-host
We have to, we have to do community quarter different next time. So Nick r. Nick R. 1627 said. Hey Tom, quick question. On the Hitler stuff, what did Hitler do In his first 10 years in power prior to the Holocaust? That would be a more proper comparison if you were to compare to Trump. Just putting that out there for context. Last episode, people, you were saying people. We were talking about how people are calling Trump Hitler and you said this is all the things that Hitler done. This is what Trump has done. It's a non comparable.
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Tom
The way that I want people to look at this is it is wise to compare the same periods. But if you do, you're going to quickly see that while Hitler was in jail, he wrote a manifesto called Mein Kampf which I have read. And bro, when I say that he just straight laid out like. And I'm going to get Hugo Boss to design these crazy uniforms. We're going to use black and red and I need somebody for everyone to blame will probably do the Jews like maybe Someone else, but probably the Jews. And then first I'm going to need to start encroaching on Europe, but ultimately my eyes are on Russia. Dude, it was nuts. Now. So not all of those were literal facts in the book, but it was that ridiculous where he was just laying it out. Now, if there is a manifesto hiding somewhere where Trump breaks down like, okay, by the way, I'm going to use tariffs and then I'm going to use that to put people in concentration camps. Like, if I miss that somewhere, people need to only point me to it and I will update my thinking. But Hitler was telegraphing this stuff from, like, way, way, way out. Now, we did talk about this before, and so I text what if alt Hist. Rudyard. Our boy, Mr. Rudyard, shout out to Rudyard. So he hasn't responded yet, but hopefully we can get him on and we can really do a comparison. Nobody is more open to being wrong than me. So if there was like a very close parallel between what Hitler did and what Trump is doing, hey, then we've got reason to be worried. I don't see it. I don't think we're going to see it as we go through with a real historian, but it'd be fun. So hopefully he'll agree to come on and we'll do like a quick 30 minutes on this topic. I find it so interesting. I'm so obsessed with history, but I'm a get the gist kind of guy from history. I'm not going to be able to, you know, list out all the facts, but he will. So if we can get him to do it, it'd be a lot of fun.
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Co-host
That'll be awesome. And before we read the last one, just want to remind the community we do read your comments. We do go through them. I like them and sometimes I troll you guys. So please, if you have any questions, anything you want to talk about, please leave them in the comments. Last one. All right, since y' all are now doing this in house conversational back and forth, can y' all talk about what y' all doing to help the next generation? Tom used to mention his goal of reaching the youth through video games, etc. Can y' all talk about something like that in the episode? We can use a break from the politics doom, doom, doom stuff. How far are y' all on the good stuff? And that's from Legacy Chase 3702.
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Tom
All right, so, I mean, first of all, I love talking about anything related to mindset, the video game stuff. 100. In fact, we talked A little bit about it earlier. So, yeah, if. If you guys have specific questions, send them in. I want to talk about things that you guys find super engaging. The channel manifesto video is going to be coming out soon. You guys will be able to see we're planting a flag to say exactly what we're going to be changing about the channel, what the channel is going to stand for, why we have five buckets that we're really leaning into, why those five buckets, what the thing that connects them all is, and what we hope will be your guys's role in the channel. But certainly submitting questions that you want answered. So we are just to turn this into a specific question. We are working on the video game. I strongly believe in building a mindset that's predicated on what I call the only belief that matters, that if you put time and energy into getting better at something, you will get better at that thing. What I want people to see, though, is that they live in a real world. They live in a very complicated world, and this is a wildly transformative time. And. And if they put their head down and try to do business as usual, they're going to get mowed over by a tsunami of change. This is not the time to just do mindset of spiritual entertainment, which is what the beginning of my YouTube channel felt like to me because we were getting so many guests on that I thought were just bullshitting. And I did not like the way that it made me feel. There was one episode we filmed for 90 minutes and released like 30 minutes because 60 minutes were just bullied. And at the time, I didn't push back. So in the beginning, I thought my job was to basically, you wrote a book and let me give you the best interview about that book. Then it just started being super repetitive. People weren't doing anything with the information Covid hit. That just changed me fundamentally as somebody who wants to help people. I realized, whoa, like, giving people, you know, whatever my 25 bullet points that really will change your life. The vast majority of people did not know how to interface it with the real world. And so now for me, everything is about that. How do you take empowering ideas but put them in the real world where you. You are being lied to, your money is being inflated away. There are things that you can do and choices that you can make that will. Will make your life better, will set you up, your kids up for a better life, no matter who's in government, no matter what tariffs there are or aren't. Like there's a way to think through this stuff. And we recently launched the. The, like, scaling side of the business. It's the side of the business course I've never taught before. And so we actually did our first one today, and it was utterly fascinating to take. Like, these are scaling businesses. These are people. We have one guy doing millions of dollars a month, and he's trying to grow and get bigger. Okay, awesome. And even that ends up being a lot about mindset. Okay, how do you think about this problem? How do you get to first principles? How do you begin to pull this idea apart? So that's ultimately what I want people to get from the show. Also this format. I want to be more entertaining, for the love of God. So there's something about my personality. And doing an interview, I find it excruciatingly difficult to move through the different gears of my personality. But in this setup, it's way easier. Um, so anyway, the channel manifesto video will come out, but turning this from an audience to a community, like, you can sum it up with that. So keep the questions coming. There will be more stuff like this, which, as you see, hopefully feels more integrated into the stuff that it sounds like you were resonating with before. People will be able to see it seamlessly. My entire life is about mindset as it interfaces with the real world. The messiness, the impossibility, the trade offs, the. All of that. And when you have an anchor around how to think, everything gets easier.
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I love that. And I think my favorite part about this whole thing is you always say it's not about the mindset. It's what you use with that mindset, what you, like, set that mindset against. And I think that's the part we miss. Everybody feels good, then they leave. Then a problem comes up and they don't. They forgot about the mindset that they just learned about and things like that. So love that. You ready for the lightning round?
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Tom
Let's do it.
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All right. Thanksgiving is next week. Any guide for tough conversations, whether it's about politics or, you know, the aunt that you try to avoid every year. How do you navigate the Thanksgiving table?
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Tom
It's a trap. It's a trap. Don't fall for it. Everybody, do not get sucked into these conversations. This is one of those. It's what I call just sit. Just sit. Just be with them, man. These are people that theoretically you love. And if you go and you try to be right, it is going to be a nightmare. Let people have their opinion. In fact, go in with curiosity. Try to map their thinking. Okay. Now, if I have somebody on the show, the first thing I want to do is understand first. I understand. So, okay, cool. Let's say I think that my uncle is, like, just racist, horrible person, voted for Trump. How could he? This is insanity. Awesome. Now's the chance to find out. And so I'm just, hey, Unk, what's your favorite thing about Trump? He's going to give you stuff. You're going to want to either throw open your mouth or you're going to want to debate. Don't just understand. You want to get to the point. And I'll. I might even say it to him. I'm uncle. I'm so fascinated by people that voted for Trump. And I think it's very important for me. I didn't, but I think it's very important for me. I did, but I'm just saying in this example, it's very important for me to understand, like, you know, the other side, because one does not understand their own position well if they can't understand the other person. So I would love to find out what it is you like about him. What are the things that you're really hoping for? Like, what would be in my language? Because anybody sitting with me at Thanksgiving would understand KPIs and stuff like that. So I'd be like, what KPI are you going to benchmark him against? Like, what do you want to see? What would be a win? What would be a loss? How would you know if this was a success? How would you know if this was a failure? What would you do? Like, if a year in, like, the economy's in the, you know, in the shitter, like, how would you think about that? Would you feel like, oh, man, now I feel bad that I voted for him. Would you get defense, Whatever. You just try to map their thinking. And I would say at the end of this, my goal would be able to say your position back to you in a way that you say you understand my position perfectly. And let's say I did all that and I'm like, this is your position. Lay it out not being a dick, not being judgy, just for real. Lay it out and say it back to them. And if they say you understand my position perfectly, conversation's over. I don't then, like, I'm not trying to give you my position. And if you're then like, okay, well, let me ask you questions. I'll tell you. I'm not trying to convince you. So the way I look at life is if somebody asks me, I will tell Them the truth. I'm not going to try to convince them. And ultimately, I just want to sit. I just want to be with the people I love. And so I learned a long time ago that I was not going to be able to convince people they were not necessarily going to be able to convince me if I thought they were wrong. Like, I remember back in the early days, I had people that were obese trying to give me diet advice. I was like, brah, what? So I just realized I'm not going to be able to convince them. They don't even know what they're talking about. But I love them, and so I want to be with them. And so if it got to something contentious, my whole thing was just sit, just be with them. I don't need them to change. I love them. And if they're your family, give them the grace to be stupid as they're giving you. That's the problem. I never know if I'm the dumb one or if they're the dumb one. And because I don't trust myself like that, it's very easy to be like, I hope they're giving me grace. I'm going to give them grace. I just want to be with them.
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Co-host
That's it. So it sounds like it's easier to talk about Trump than it is to talk about carbs, is what you're saying, dude.
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Tom
What is hilarious. That might actually be true. He might be the first person where it's like, okay, maybe politics actually is harder. But when you talk about diet, people feel judged. They feel judged. Like, if you tell somebody, oh, I'm low carb, you might as well have walked in, kicked the table over and gone, hey, fatty. How are them cookies treating you? I can hear you getting fatter. Can someone turn the radio up? Them getting fatter is distracting me. That's what they hear when you say, I don't. I don't eat carbs. Not. I never. I have never once in my life said, unless somebody said, like, I'm diabetic. I've never said, you shouldn't eat carbs. I just say, I don't eat them. People don't. They don't sit well with that.
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Co-host
Take that. There's a community post. We found out that there's UFOs in the ocean. Do you believe that there's UFOs in the ocean?
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Tom
Absolutely not.
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Co-host
Hard stop.
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Tom
No, hard stop.
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Okay, so you have no conspiracy theories? No superstitions?
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Aliens?
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Tom
No. No, none.
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Co-host
There's a million galaxies. You don't think there's One other heartbeat out there?
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Tom
Yeah. I like to believe that they're everywhere. Like just except the ocean teaming. Why would they be in our oceans? Can I let me ask you one simple question. Hold on, hold on. Let me ask you one simple question. There are two buttons before you. You only get to press one button. One, you're gonna suit up. You're gonna strap yourself to a gigantic rocket that may or may not explode. You are going to travel for 3,000 years, cryogenically frozen, but for 3,000 years to get to the next star, which by the way there's fuck all there. Like maybe in another 30,000 years at traveling near the speed of light you find something and there's a civilization, but you're going to travel and put yourself at risk. And by the way, you're getting bombarded with cosmic radiation this whole time. And should you land somewhere that has, let's say, lighter gravity than the U.S. you're the U.S. planet Earth, you're going to have to figure, I'm a US centric guy apparently you are going to have to figure out what to do about like your bone density collapsing and all that. So it dude crazy or. Okay, that was button one, which if I'm honest is actually kind of awesome. I'm not saying stay home or press that button. Press that button. But there's another button and this button is at the press of a button you can be essentially in a dream state, but go experience literally anything you want to experience. Anything. You want to be a superhero, you can go do that. You want to be God, you can do that. You want to be the greatest surfer in the world, you can do that. You want to be the greatest surfer in the morning and God in the afternoon, you can do that, bro. I think the reason the Fermi paradox exists is because every civilization that gets to the point where they can bend space and time a long time before that, they invent virtual worlds and the ability to jack in. Sound familiar? Like with neuralink. And now all of a sudden you can influence their nervous system and they cannot tell the difference between the real world and the virtual world. And now all of a sudden anything you can imagine, you can create. And as somebody building video games, I'm telling you it we're 10 years away, maybe less 10 years away from worlds that generate procedurally like that are photorealistic, have all kinds of depth. It's unbelievable. And the human desire for change and for difference and to try and experiment, it will be unbelievable. Unbelievable.
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Co-host
So you're telling me in the neighborhood that is the universe. None of us are outside because we're all too busy on our phones.
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Tom
That is the most horrible way to say it, but, yes, you're all locked inside of these incredible virtual worlds. Yes. And I mean because you can share the experiences. So it does not. It doesn't need to be dystopian.
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Co-host
This episode was funny. That's all I got.
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Tom
All right, there it is, everybody. Thank you guys so much. We really are turning this into a community. So drop in your comments, join the YouTube community feed. Let us know what you want to hear us talk about. And if you haven't already, be sure to subscribe. And until next time, my friends, be legendary. Take care. Peace.
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