Decoding Economic Warfare, Global Transition, Who is Satoshi and How YOU Can Escape the Cage | Impact Theory W. Tom Bilyeu & Simon Dixon

Summary

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Impact Theory Podcast with Tom Bilyeu & Simon Dixon

Episode: Decoding Economic Warfare, Global Transition, Who is Satoshi and How YOU Can Escape the Cage
Date: May 30, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode is an ambitious deep dive into the global economic and geopolitical transition currently underway. Tom Bilyeu and his guest, Simon Dixon (finance entrepreneur and early Bitcoin investor), critically analyze the mechanisms of economic warfare, the evolution of world power, and how centralized financial structures manipulate markets, countries, and populations. They also address practical strategies for individuals to achieve economic sovereignty, culminating in their discussion on the true identity of Satoshi Nakamoto, Bitcoin’s creator.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Mapping Out the World Order and Global Transition

• Current Transition: We are experiencing a seismic shift away from American dominance in the global order, orchestrated by powerful entities at the intersection of finance, industry, and government (termed MICFIC and TICK by Simon: Military-Industrial-Complex, Financial-Industrial-Complex, and Tech-Industrial-Complex).
• Central Bank Power: All global financial players are ultimately subject to central banks, with cooperation and competition happening simultaneously at the highest levels.
• Surviving as an Individual: Most people are too busy with daily survival, but understanding these structures provides a path to positioning oneself advantageously in times of disruption.
  • Tom (02:00):

    "If we understand how the transitions work, what motivates people, who the real players are, then the average person hopefully can survive this transitionary moment by understanding how to position themselves economically."

2. The Role and Power of BlackRock and Aladdin

• Aladdin Technology: BlackRock’s Aladdin platform is a scenario-planning AI used globally by the largest investors and institutions, controlling how capital flows in response to potential global crises.
  • Simon (04:16):

    "Aladdin is used by pretty much every pension fund manager, every endowment fund, every insurance company, every sovereign wealth fund, every central bank... It has the largest dataset in the world... Capital moves as Aladdin tells it how to move."

• Asset and Influence Domination: BlackRock administers and manages trillions in assets and is the largest shareholder in many of the world's leading financial institutions, giving it unparalleled influence.
  • Simon (05:51):

    "Who owns the Fed? Well, it's the banks... and the largest shareholder in all of them is BlackRock."

3. Economic Warfare – Currency as a Weapon

• Weaponizing Finance: The US and its Western partners have historically destabilized countries by destroying their currency and creating inflation, triggering uprisings to justify intervention and resource extraction.
  • Simon (09:53):

    "The value of an ETF as the value of a currency is a financial weapon of mass destruction for subordinating countries to the FIC."

  • Simon (13:00):

    "You destroy your currency, you create inflation, use sanctions... and then you create an environment of an uprising in order to destabilize a country..."

• Case Study - Iran: The manipulation of Iran's currency and the resulting collective punishment of its people is described as intentional policy by Western entities to influence regime stability.

4. China’s Position and the Multipolar World

• The “China Problem”: China, protected by capital controls and CCP authority, resists external penetration and remains an independent power center.
  • Simon (16:25):

    "China's independent. China does not have a corporate structure that sits above the CCP... There's no MCFIC tick above the CCP."

• Different Models: Western power mechanisms extract value and leave dependency, whereas China’s Belt and Road initiative invests in other nations’ infrastructure to create new consumption markets.
  • Simon (28:30):

    "If you're America... well, what about the tactics that we used abroad? Why don't we just bring them home... privatized prison sentence industry..."

• The Transition Motivation: As Western consumer markets become saturated, indebted, and demographically stagnant, the financial elite look outside for growth, focusing on regions still experiencing population growth and untapped resources.

5. The Managed Transition to Multipolarity

• Region Building: Instead of a single global order, the transition moves towards integrating parallel power blocs—BRICS, GCC, ASEAN—with attempts to penetrate and co-opt their institutions (through MICFIC and TICK replication).
  • Simon (37:53):

    "The multipolar world is less, 'oh, it's time for a multipolar world' and more, 'this is just what this moment in history has brought us.'"

6. Stability and Competition in the New World Order

• Increased Stability Through Multipolarity: The rise of multiple power centers and competition for access to capital allows resource-rich countries to negotiate instead of being forced into extractive relationships.
  • Simon (51:09):

    "They’re able to play the... there’s, there’s, there’s competition for access to capital. You can go to Belt and Road, you can go to the Gulf Sovereign Wealth Fund, or you can go to the IMF model."

• Empowerment of the Global South: For the first time in centuries, some regions can leverage this competition to improve their conditions rather than face one-sided exploitation.

7. Escaping the System – Bitcoin & Sovereignty

• No Political Solution: Western democracy is described as a controlled illusion, perpetually distracting the populace from real change through divisive politics and manufactured unrest.

  • Simon (53:53):

    "There’s no political solution in the West. There’s no democracy. It’s all a lie. The left versus the right is a complete distraction... designed to get you to buy into a system that will never fix itself."

• Exit Ramps:

  • Bitcoin: Storing value outside the banking system, owning assets in self-custody—especially Bitcoin—is posited as the ultimate individual exit.
  • Sovereignty Spectrum: Move towards self-reliance—owning real assets, minimizing debt, supporting local economies, and using jurisdictional arbitrage.
  • Decentralization & Communities: Forming decentralized, local communities with sovereign businesses and money is presented as the best buffer against global confiscation and control.

• How to Break the System (62:36):

  • Simon:

    "Stop paying your mortgage and stop paying your rent on a global coordinated scale. The entire system breaks... The system is debt and the system is those assets. If you want to break the system, that’s how it’s done."

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• On Aladdin’s Power (05:50):

  • Simon Dixon: “Capital moves as Aladdin tells it how to move. [...] It has the best and most superior technology used by $25 trillion of capital.”

• On Currency Wars (09:53):

  • Simon Dixon: “Every single war of the British Empire was always a currency war. [...] They will always destroy the value of the currency in order to destabilize, manufacture the environment that justifies military action.”

• On The System’s Extraction (21:56):

  • Simon Dixon: “Those in debt pay the interest that support the assets. Those in debt are the asset of the asset.”

• On Decentralized Power (51:09):

  • Simon Dixon: "This is multipolarity, this is competition. This is markets, not monopolies... and they couldn’t do it until there was competition to this mcfic and tick construct."

• On Exiting the System (53:53):

  • Simon Dixon: "There’s no political solution in the West. There’s no democracy. It’s all a lie... Once you come to that realization... you realize there are two types of people and a third type of person that they don’t want, which is wealthy people with no debt, with a business that is not venture funded, that has assets that sit outside the system and are incredibly wealthy and can say whatever they want on a podcast."

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 01:06 – Tom sets the context for the world order discussion and individual relevance
• 04:16 – Simon introduces BlackRock’s Aladdin system
• 09:35 – Simon explains economic warfare and targeting of civilian wealth
• 16:11 – Transition from the American empire, why and how
• 28:27 – China’s Belt and Road as an alternative model; US prison-industrial complex
• 37:53 – Navigating China’s role, the multipolar world, and Western attempts to integrate
• 44:58 – Energy wars and why closing the Strait of Hormuz changes power balances
• 53:53 – How individuals can escape the system; Bitcoin as an off-ramp
• 62:36 – Systemic vulnerability: coordinated rent/mortgage strikes
• 64:13 – Who is Satoshi Nakamoto? Simon’s theory: Len Sassaman
• 67:21 – Satoshi’s intention, CIA involvement, and effort to keep Bitcoin open source
• 75:36 – Where to follow Simon Dixon’s ongoing analysis

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Who Is Satoshi? (Bitcoin’s Creator Theory)

• Simon’s Hypothesis:

  • The Bitcoin project originated as an intelligence operation, intended as a prototype for state-controlled digital currencies.
  • Key contributors:
    • Len Sassaman: Likely wrote the white paper; meets timing, expertise, and is now deceased.
    • Hal Finney: First to transact with Bitcoin; also deceased.
    • Gavin Andreessen: Inherited development, linked to CIA meeting after which Satoshi vanished.
  • David Chaum’s connection through academic mentorship suggests intelligence links.

• The Critical Moment: The open-sourcing of Bitcoin wasn't part of the original plan; it took on a life of its own, resisting attempts to be recaptured by establishment interests.

  • Simon (67:21):

    "I do think it actually came from intelligence. [...] What Len Sassaman did was not what he was meant to do. He open sourced the project. I don't think it was meant to be open source."

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Practical Takeaways: How to Navigate the Coming Transition

For Individuals:

• Question political narratives and understand money’s central role in power structures.
• Favor self-custody of assets (especially bitcoin), minimize exposure to debt, and support decentralized alternatives.
• Prioritize sovereignty (personal, familial, local) over dependency on centralized financial systems.
• Recognize perfectionism is the enemy—incrementally move towards greater autonomy.
  • “Is this purchase decision helping my local farmer, or is it helping some big conglomerate?” (Simon, 54:57)

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Conclusion

This episode is a sweeping and provocative tour through the economic, political, and technological tectonics shaping the new world order. Simon Dixon insists that the tools for personal escape and empowerment exist—but only for those willing to question conventional narratives, reclaim sovereignty, and use truly decentralized technologies like Bitcoin. The episode closes with a bold assertion about Satoshi Nakamoto’s identity, tying together the threads of power, technology, and emergent independence.

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Follow Simon Dixon:

• YouTube: Simon Dixon 21
• Blog: SimonDixon.com
• X (Twitter): @SimonDixonTwit

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Transcript

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[Interviewer / Host]

Welcome back to part two of this incredible conversation. Without further ado, here we go.

[Simon Dixon]

Why are we talking about that?

[Interviewer / Host]

Well, so for me, all of this is about mapping out how these different structures interact with each other. Because the ultimate thing that I want to build is we're in a moment of transition. And so what you and I have been talking about so far is understanding the current world order, how the power structures actually work, how they interface with each other. The different nodes that I've picked on have just been me trying to use them as a case study to understand why somebody does well, somebody else does poorly, how much they're battling, how much this is coordinated. Because understanding how to navigate, if we understand how the transitions work, what motivates people, who the real players are, then the average person hopefully can survive this transitionary moment by understanding how to position themselves economically. I get that the vast majority of people want. They won't pay attention. They're just too busy trying to raise families and fall in love and make enough money to get by. And I have so much empathy for that. However, there is a way, always at the individual level, to navigate this well. And so I'm trying to build a mental map of how you think through this to see how much high utility there is in all this. So anyway, so that we're getting close, I think, to wrapping up a rough approximation of how the world order works today. We have a handful of these powerful entities that are at war with themselves, at war with each other, but largely agreeing on how the system works in terms of this is a central bank at the bottom. You've Got to compromise everybody that wants to succeed. That way you can tear down anybody that you need to so that there can be a loose sense of cooperation as the system changes in a largely unpredictable fashion. But you can react in a way that's intelligent. So to the point of the transition into the 2008 crisis, which is something we need to finish before we can move on, the powers that be had decided it was time to begin a multi decade transition away from America. And now what we're trying to figure out is what. What do we learn from who wins and who loses in all of this. So Blackrock starting in the 80s becomes a tremendous winner. You winner, you addressed how just outperformed everybody. Bear Stearns goes down, Lehman goes down for reasons we don't quite understand. But there's probably something there for anybody that wants to research it. In terms of what they did, were they just a sacrificial lamb and they happen to be, as things start falling, it's like oh well, for whatever random set of reasons they happen to have the most bad debt and so cool we're going to ax them off. Who knows. But they do get axed off. Then they step in, they being the Fed and the government cooperating to figure out how we're going to deploy this capital. They pick BlackRock to be the disseminator of that. Presumably because that node is the most well connected. The most trusted people believe that they're going to get them through this, but then they're obviously going to prioritize their own entities.

[Simon Dixon]

Yeah, it was an important piece to add. There is what blackrock had that is unique to everyone else. They built a technology called Aladdin. And Aladdin is used by pretty much every pension fund manager, every endowment fund, every insurance company, every sovereign wealth fund, every central bank and treasury and government treasury management services all around the world. If you look at who has access to Aladdin in terms of a earliest AI technology for scenario planning, all sorts of capital markets, currency markets, commodity markets, stock markets, financial markets globally. It has the largest data set in the world whereby if you for example, a sovereign wealth fund and you're saying I think the Strait of Hormuz is going to be closed for 90 days. How do I scenario plan that it will kick out a scenario plan for the largest pools of capital in the world. And so capital moves as Aladdin tells it how to move. And so Aladdin has the best and most superior technology used by $25 trillion of capital.

[Interviewer / Host]

Whoa.

[Simon Dixon]

Yes. And they also have $14 trillion of assets under administration under management. So they got $14 trillion of other people's money and maybe 6 trillion of it is. They have authority to allocate it. The rest of it is managing other people's money as set by a specific investment product. But they've also got ETFs. They've also are shareholders in the entire financial industrial complex. The biggest shareholder in all of them. Who owns the Fed? Well, it's the banks and all those banks are public companies and the largest shareholder in all of them is blackrock. What about the private equity side? So when there is distress buying of assets, there is all of the biggest. Blackstones and KKR are public companies with BlackRock as a number one shareholder. Those that create fiat currency. The banks are all public companies and largest shareholder BlackRock. All of the different asset managers own shares in each other. And BlackRock's the largest fund shareholder in State Street, Vanguard, Fidelity, the competition, venture capitalists, the public one. You know, they, they rely upon bank credit in order to get their. This is what I was trying to say earlier about Peter Till. Those VC funds are not just massive wealth. It's all leveraged. It's all leveraged wealth. Even the VC funds is borrowed from banks. You know, they use leverage in order to make these investments. And so even people's net worth is leveraged to the kill when you look down and go down the cycle. But yeah, BlackRock also ended up via the global financial crisis, the largest ETF provider in the world by buying Barclays ETF division and growing their own ETF division and leverage mergers and acquisitions and leverage buyouts over time. So now if you're a country then you can use Aladdin in order to scenario plan why capital inflow should go into Egypt. You can use the FX broker market in order to destroy or make a currency. They just did it in Iran. Scott Bersent went on national TV and said part of economic fury we killed the currency. That was an operation that's done via London. That is deliberate destruction of the savings of the ordinary Iranian people. That is a civilian target. That is collective punishment for every single. Imagine you log into your online banking and your entire life saving disappears. And then they create an inflationary cycle in order to encourage you to uprise against a militarized government and a militarized government. The IRGC is going to shoot you, you know, if you are uprising and, and they had Mossad, CIA intelligence agencies and every one of those, many of those politicians in America were just saying uprise, uprise. And then lying about what happened as well. You know, they control the media, all the media are public companies as well.

[Interviewer / Host]

Now are they trying to do that just because they need another war and they need to destabilize Iran in order to capture the oil? Like what's the end game?

[Simon Dixon]

Here's where it requires a bit more nuance in the Iran side. But what I wanted to say Anyway is that BlackRock has 25 trillion dollars of assets under administration and technology. 12, 14 trillion. Now they're made so much money out of the closure of the Strait of Hormuz that added 2 trillion to their

[Interviewer / Host]

value

[Simon Dixon]

that they've got 14 trillion there and then they've got all the ETF flows. So if they want a scenario plan capital comes into Egypt now then Aladdin can do that and get the largest capital flows in the world. And so the value of an ETF as the value of a currency is a financial weapon of mass destruction for subordinating countries to the fic. And this is always, every single war of the British Empire was always a currency war. The transatlantic slave trade, the opium wars. They will always destroy the value of the currency in order to destabilize, in order to manufacture the environment. That that justifies military action so that we can take the resources, renegotiate contract, install our own dictators so that the resources become ours and not the people's. That's the entire history of this 500 year European American empire and it's still happening today. We're watching it in real time now. When you look at the, the construct of Iran today and we'll, we'll get

[Interviewer / Host]

you say the construct of Iran.

[Simon Dixon]

Yes, Iran has a 6,000 year history but go back to 1953 and the CIA and MI6 overthrew the democratically elected democracy in order to install somebody that would give all the oil to British Petroleum. 80% of the revenue went to British Petroleum because they dared to try and nationalize their oil so that their people wouldn't have to pay tax as they do in Saudi Arabia today. And so the, the leadership, the entire history of Iran is getting access to their oil. The Shah was an installation of the change in empire because the previous leader Mossadegh was connected with the British Empire. And the CIA regime changed to the Shah to have a brutal dictator in order to make sure that the Iran could be used for the American empire. And the Iranian revolution was an uprising. And people question as well was that when Khomeini came back from France after being circled by MI6, was that another op We've got declassified CIA documents for much you find out about it when it's too late. But once you recognize the pattern, just look up Operation Ajax 2.0. The exact same thing that just happened was done in 1953 for British Petroleum.

[Interviewer / Host]

What's the thing that just happened? So What's Ajax? What's 2.8?

[Simon Dixon]

You destroy your currency, you create inflation, use sanctions in order to create an economic environment where the civilian targets and then you create an environment of an uprising in order to destabilize a country so that you can. And the financial markets hedge everything. They don't care whether these operations succeed or fail. They use derivative markets. They know what operations are coming ahead of time. They make money if they succeed, money if it fails. And then they manipulate the markets in between so that they're hedged for any outcome. They don't care what happens. You know, they're just doing bank the whole way. Killing people is not a concept that they care about. You know, this is not. There is no such thing. The narrative that's fed through the media they control that is public companies, you know, is just an acceptable narrative to make you think that what you're doing is good and you're defending democracy or you're standing for. You're trying to save the people. Look what happens to the Venezuelans like now the. Anyway, let's not go off these, you know, everything in them. That's the part you've got to take away. Everything a politician says and the media says is a managed narrative which if you follow the money is completely opposite to what the financial industrial complex are investing in.

[Interviewer / Host]

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[Interviewer / Host]

Thanks for sticking around. Let's get right back into the action. Right, so you just have to explain why we're going to do this thing. But we're doing this thing for a different reason. So the reason that you just Walked through with Iran is their whole history is about we need to control the oil. This is an empire story. So right now it'd be the American empire is trying to control it. However, we are in a moment of transition where we are moving away from we being this power structure is moving away from the American empire. And so the question we haven't answered yet that we've opened it is why roughly, I don't know, 10, 20 years ago, did they decide that they were going to start this migration? What triggered that? Why now and then where does it end up? Is this just everything being migrated over to China?

[Simon Dixon]

Yeah. So if you're managing a portfolio and you're BlackRock and you're seeing, okay, China enters the World Trade Organization. China is the global manufacturing base.

[Interviewer / Host]

Did you put China into the WTO or did you just watch it happen and react?

[Simon Dixon]

China's independent. China does not have a corporate structure that sits above the ccp. The Chinese Communist Party went through a century of humiliation from the British Empire and all the Opium wars and all the currency wars and all the manufactured wars. The Japan situation, a century of humiliation. And said we're building constructs to keep out the barbarians. That was the Great Wall of China. Effectively, that's capital controls. And the CCP rules. You know, it's known as an authoritarian government. It is authoritarian, but it is designed so that no corporate structure can subordinate it. There's no MCFIC tick above the ccp. There's a MCFIC tick below the ccp. But the CCP is the ultimate ruler in the Chinese construct. And the reason there's capital controls is they don't want currency wars. They want to protect everything. And so China created a structure where if you're optimizing, if you're optimizing for corporate profits and your quarterly returns and your earnings report and not for America. Because America is just a stock market to fake. It's a currency market to fic. It's liquidity. It's a government you can control. Now that's all those. Those are America is to them, the people are just collateralized debt obligations. You know, you, your job is to go into debt, go to college, go to debt, be a worker bee. The get a mortgage, get a credit card, keep consuming, keep going. And if you knock off, if you fall off the fair, we don't care about you. If you earn enough money then, or you become an entrepreneur, then we put you in our control grids as you go up, vc, private equity, IPO as we go. And then we Co opt you into being a FIC member, a node in the fic. That's all it is. Now I think if you're, if you're managing a portfolio BlackRock, you're looking at it and saying I think we've, I think we've done what we can. Everyone's on debt or they're a part or they're subordinate to one of our power structures. And now there's problems. The suicide rates are at record highs. The 10th largest for the first time in history. The 10th largest creation. The 10th death is suicide. The 10th reason.

[Interviewer / Host]

Leading cause.

[Simon Dixon]

Leading cause. Sorry. Thank you. Degeneracy. People are choosing. Women are choosing only fans. Men are gambling. Cryptocurrency speculation seems to be one way that people are trying to create a career nowadays because women and men hate each other. People are confused around what women are and what men are. The numbers, the debt levels, the K shaped economy, the wealth inequality, the rich getting richer, the poor getting poorer. Is reaching the point where's the consumption going to be? They're all maxed out on their credit cards. Like where is the consumption now? 50% of all consumption is done by 10% of wealthy people. The others are starting to uprise. There seems to be real dissatisfaction. How do we weaponize that dissatisfaction? How do we make money out of the dissatisfaction? And so I think they sat around and said, hey, by the way, the, the killer, no one's having kids. They're going to extinction. Who's having the kids? The Africans, the Southeast Asians and some of the Muslims in the Middle East. Are they going to be the ones that are going to buy our product in the future or are we going to be able to roll over that? Maybe we'll just give them 50 year mortgages rather than 30 year mortgages. We will figure out what to do with them, but we've got to make sure that we extract as much out of the government. Let's keep the debt going. Let's do fiscal dominance is the strategy which is where the government spends to prop up the stock market by redistributing through things like the big beautiful bill AI datacenter build outs, military spending, bailouts. These are the mechanisms for using the government debt to extract as much as possible push inflation.

[Interviewer / Host]

Sorry, like how does that mechanism extract?

[Simon Dixon]

So you do, if you create a pump and dump cycle, you end up with a bailout like we did in 2008, like we did with COVID like we are right now. And that leads to needing to the Federal Reserve having to buy government Bonds and increase the government debt.

[Interviewer / Host]

So I'll say it in my really simple way, and this is your chance to tell me that I'm crazy, which my audience, I'm sure would love. The way that I see it is you can just boil it down to something very simple. The way that you extract is by running deficits so that you can money, print money. Printing steals from everybody, but it gives back only to people that hold assets. And that's the funnel. Just that simple, correct?

[Simon Dixon]

Yes, absolutely. And those in debt pay the interest that support the assets. Those in debt are the asset of the asset.

[Interviewer / Host]

Literally, I scream at the top my lungs to get people to understand that. And yeah, I get a lot of pushback. But alas, here we are.

[Simon Dixon]

Military budget. So that's. That's fic Military budget. Engineer a war. And now we're going from a trillion to a trillion and a half. Department of war. Peace through strength is a narrative. No, that's creating war, that's manufacturing war. There's no defense in that. And they've finally returned it to the appropriate name. The Department of War. That's a way more appropriate name. So why are we being honest now? That's an interesting question as well. In itself. Technology. Tick. We need to spend the maximum amount. The entire growth of the entire US economy last year was AI. Yeah, Data centers, the whole infrastructure, everything around that. There would have been no growth if it wasn't for AI. Data center.

[Interviewer / Host]

Now are you bringing that up though? Because that's one of the warning signs that the powers that be see that make them want to march towards a multipolar world. Because I still can't yet put together.

[Simon Dixon]

We'll get there.

[Interviewer / Host]

China's got to make sense. Or you've got to tell me that. Why do you keep bringing up China? China has nothing to do with this. They're to the side because the mental model that I'm building of your worldview, which is what I'm trying to map, is that, okay, we've sucked America dry. Yeah, maybe there's some stuff at the edges that we can continue to monetize, but we've already maxed these guys out. They're starting to commit suic. Very interesting not having kids. Who's the future now there? I keep inserting China because I can't imagine you're going to say anybody else is going to be the multi pole, but China isn't having kids either, so I'm not. And if they have done something to protect themselves from the influence of the mcfic, and tick, they seem like the least likely place you'd want to swing this all too. So what am I missing?

[Simon Dixon]

Yeah, so that's how fiscal dominance work. They get all their stimulus to their stock market value by getting government to spend it. You had a big, beautiful bill which uncovered all of it. Now you're trying to say, right, we still have an incredible stock market, the most liquid stock market in the world. The government that's taking on the most amount of debt in the world, the most liquid bond market in the world. But things are breaking at the international level. People aren't buying our Treasuries. Central banks aren't buying our Treasuries. They're buying gold. Gold's become the world reserve asset. The constructs that made the dollar the world reserve currency, the petrodollar, the euro dollar, and the Japan carry trades which we can go in later. Let's break them. But why are they doing that? Why are they doing that? Managed transition. Well, imagine if you've got your mcfic and tick. The tick is essentially data centers, AI chips, all of the stuff that they've built. The MIC is all of this military technology and everything that we've built, intelligence. And the FIC is financialization and securitization. China now has an independent system that we need to integrate with. Now, the reason we built up China and put it in the World Trade Organization is because we wanted cheap labor and cheap manufacturing. Manufacturing because it makes us more money. Doesn't matter what America wants. The stock market gets more revenue out of having a cheap labor force and a manufacturing base that's highly, highly efficient and a currency that's devalued. So everything is cheaper. Our dollars are going up in value. We get more Chinese yuan, We get cheaper, cheaper, more revenue, more profit, more revenue, more profit. And so China was built for that. And you can, you know, you can look back at the agreements and that was a great deal for them. They built out this, this manufacturing base. And they said to companies like Apple, they said, why don't you just put your factory here? But if you're putting your factory here, you have to play by Chinese rules. And Apple said, okay, so it's Chinese factories with Chinese people with Chinese rules and Chinese capital controls. And we get to build our own one Huawei, and we get to utilize anything. And Tesla, why don't you do the same? And the company said, yeah, sure, we don't care about America. We care. We're global in nature. If we get to work with the Chinese market and we get to get the cheaper manufacturing base and the currency arbitrage and the cheap labor, then, yeah, we'll build that. And so they did. And so, you know, China built this insulated system that fit couldn't penetrate. There's no way of penetrating it. And so if they maximize profits by having a manufacturing base in China and there's only a few populations that are actually having children, then what is the Chinese model? The Chinese model was the opposite of the American model. It was, we want to grow countries so that they can buy our products. And so we want them more wealthy. We don't want them just for their resources. We obviously do want their rare earth minerals. We do want their resources. But where are the consumption markets? We need wealthy populations in Africa. We need wealthy populations in the Middle East. We need wealthy populations in Southeast Asia so that we can sell our products to them. They can get more wealthy and they're still having children with everyone else. We probably need to automate them. We probably need to do robotics, like, because they're just unproductive. Let's just take all their jobs. And China's going through the same thing. 250 million people are going to go out of the work market within China. So they built out this Belt and Road initiative and started investing everywhere, selling all their U.S. some of their U.S. treasuries and investing it in countries so that they could build their infrastructure and increase their wealth. They did the reverse of the imf. The IMF said, you don't get anything, you have to give it to us. And we install a dictator.

[Interviewer / Host]

So they're basically trying to plant trees instead of eat the seeds.

[Simon Dixon]

Yes. Yeah. Now, if you're America and you're thinking, right, we are still red hot. Our stock market is red hot, our capital markets are red hot. But there's serious problem, problems in the population, like, serious problems. Then you think about, well, what about the tactics that we used abroad? Why don't we just bring them home? Why don't we just do our own color revolutions? Why don't we just build our own police and surveillance state? There's 2 million people in prison in America. That's more than any country in the world. And it's all privatized. The deporting industry, they get paid a dividend. They get paid for every single deportation, every single incarceration. I know people that went to America and they were just driven around from prison to prison because they're just trying to delay them actually seeing the judge of why they shouldn't be deported. And Every time they go from one prison to the other, there's a new check that comes from these government programs. And so there's all these rampant privatized prison sentence prison industry that's trying to

[Interviewer / Host]

skim from the government.

[Simon Dixon]

Absolutely. The, the. They expose the Somalia one, but they don't expose the ones that everyone else is doing. That's happening absolutely everywhere.

[Interviewer / Host]

Okay. So we sort of keep bouncing back and forth between two different things that I really want to make sure that we move forward with the question that's burning in my mind. So the things we keep bouncing back and forth between are further extraction from America and then we've got a multipolar world sitting out there somewhere that the powers that be, McFictick, they're trying to move us towards. I am still having a hard time. So I understand what China's doing, but if China is somewhat impervious, I still don't understand the incentive to leverage them in this new migration to a new world order. Why are they not trying to isolate China, push them out, stop them from doing all the Belt and Road initiative, like, yeah, I'll stop there.

[Simon Dixon]

Yeah. So if you're managing a transition and you've got a mcfic and TICK in America and a dysfunctional system that may one day create some regulatory environment or some uprising that takes away your power, you start to think about, why don't we use our resources and build a MCFIC and tick everywhere? And so they started doing that. And so every war creates a new opportunity to negotiate a new MCFIC and tick in that region.

[Interviewer / Host]

We're hitting pause for a moment, but there's plenty more ahead, so don't go anywhere. Thanks for sticking around. Let's get right back into the action. Do you think they want war with China to destabilize to mcfic, tick China or. Okay, so China's still sitting off to the side in your mind. Just so I know, if I keep pushing down this lane. In your mind, does China have a role? Should I keep trying to understand how they bolt onto your worldview, or are they an anomaly and I should set them off to the side?

[Simon Dixon]

No, China is, you know, the manufacturing base of the world.

[Interviewer / Host]

But are they, like, a necessary thing that the powers that be have to, like, ah, fuck, all right, whatever.

[Simon Dixon]

Yes, that's it. That's the right way of framing it.

[Interviewer / Host]

Okay, so they're a frustration, but we have to deal with them. Yeah, got it. But we're always looking like, hey, Iran, like we're going to make fic, Tick you. Yes, like that's the play there. And then we've got Israel, mcfic ticking.

[Simon Dixon]

Palestine, I mean the model what gets rebuilt in Gaza is the model that ideally McFiktick would like to build globally.

[Interviewer / Host]

Okay, that's the globally. So we're gonna have to blow up a lot of other places because Palestine's small as hell. So Iran, that's good size 93mil.ish. Cool ton of rebuild love. What's happening there? Where else we destabilize the U.S. rebuild us.

[Simon Dixon]

Yeah. So there's a, there's another part to this equation which is that FIC co opted every country that managed to remain a degree of sovereign sovereign to keep a bit of their sovereign power. And that is every. If you look at, if you go in chat GBT and ask for the largest sovereign wealth funds in the world, those are the countries that manage to keep their resources, negotiate with mcfic and tick to bribe them as a mafia protection racket. Like you get a military base here. Just leave us alone.

[Interviewer / Host]

I mean we're basically talking about gcc, right?

[Simon Dixon]

I mean we're talking about Singapore, we're talking about the Gulf countries, we're talking about China, we're talking about Norway in the case of Europe. If you look at the largest sovereign wealth funds in the world, they played the game where they managed to just put themselves in a situation somehow. And in Saudi there was assassinations and all sorts. And the group that created 9, 11 and all sorts, I don't want to go down those rabbit holes, but they managed to play the game where they got to keep the resources and feed a sovereign wealth fund. And those sovereign wealth fund got co opted by FIC where they gave them co investment in every single deal. And so when you look at any of the deals we're about to do, the SpaceX API, sorry, IPO. The SpaceX IPO. If you look at the entire history of Elon, it was fic, darpa, intelligence funding, military funding and sovereign world funds. And so if you're a sovereign wealth fund, the original construct of what propped up America, we've missed a whole load of monetary history. But we got to the petrodollar in the end that was about making sure that you were buying U.S. debt, but now they're buying U.S. equity. And remember debt equity, two different products. Equity means voting rights and control. Debt means you're creating artificial demand for dollars and you're creating demand for the government to go deeper into debt. In the Ponzi scheme, they stopped buying Debt and bonds and they started buying equity. Now you've got influence, you've got subordination. And this block, I would call it, if you look across the financial industrial complex controls the entire West. Europe, uk, America, Australia, Canada, all of the collective west where there was neoliberal opening, upper markets, floated currencies, stock markets, bond markets. Then you've got the sovereign wealth funds that nationalized their resources and then built a defense mechanism called a sovereign wealth fund. They negotiated with ficc. And then you've got this one system called China, which is a siloed walled garden with capital controls, currency controls. And if you know you've got to integrate with China, which is the manufacturing base America, the consumption is just the wealthy, eventually the wealthy will leave just like they did in Ukraine. And you can see the operations to drain the uk, that was another one we could go through. But the in the end, you want to set up a McVick and tick and you charge fees off all the alternative parallel financial systems and you charge fees integrating into the Chinese system and you extract you asset strip the west for everything you can. Now you'd want to do that while America is still very, very powerful in terms of its stocks. You'd want to manage a capital outflow. So if you look at many ETFs were outperforming the S and P in terms of commodity countries, energy countries, same with the currencies as well. But you'd want to negotiate into that while you're still very strong. And so you, you need that time frame to utilize like all of the assets. And that's why they're going around. If you look at the meeting, very symbolic. There was Trump, who represents all of the executives of the shareholder classes, meeting with Xi Jinping. And you can go through each one of those executives and you can see how they're integrating into a multipolar framework. And that's what's happening in the world today, as I see it. And what did we get an announcement today? I think just right now or the other day, Putin met with Xi jinping and here's 40 deals that moves us towards a multipolar framework. After meeting Trump. But Trump wasn't negotiating for America. Trump was negotiating for the FIC mic and ticket.

[Interviewer / Host]

Okay, so we have a flying the ointment in the name of China that is actually causing a different kind of negotiation than the mcfig and Tick would normally do, where they would just find the next target. They would go in, be like, cool, we're going to destabilize take over, extract all the resources. They can't do that with China. Nonetheless, they understand that they have to somehow integrate with China. And so the multipolar world is less, oh, it's time for a multipolar world. And it's like, well, this is just what this moment in history has brought us. China has crawled its way out from under a hundred years of humiliation. We've gotten more or less what we're going to get out of America because it's starting to show signs of breaking down. In our last moments of strength, we want to play our hand to create an alliance with China such that we're able to take advantage of the Belt and road initiatives and things that they've done around the world. But we still have this looming like, these guys don't know how to stop doing a good thing. So they're going to keep playing the game of destabilizing and extracting. Iran is the hot thing. Now, you said earlier, if you follow the money, you can see where the wars are going to. So let's say I'm China and I'm watching this play out, but I'm aware of your mental model, or maybe I just believe it. So I'm looking at the world and I'm saying, where is this going next? What are they going to try to destabilize? It isn't me. I'm too big, I'm too strong. I've made myself impervious. I see them fucking around with Venezuela. I see them making a move on Iran. What am I thinking? Am I like, ooh, I've got to put an end to this shit asap. Because clearly Venezuela and Iran matter to me and so am I going to make sure that Iran gets restabilized? Am I going to say, okay, whatever, Iran's already gone, I need to protect. Insert thing here. How would they be viewing this moment?

[Simon Dixon]

There's one more important piece, which is the energy piece that I think we need to cover, and then hopefully we can answer that question. Under Trump administration, one, America became somewhat energy independent, or they didn't need the Middle east to the extent they needed before. They still needed Mexico and Canada for like, diesel and various other essential things. But they didn't need the Middle east anymore. And so the Middle east had this whole construct of subordination that was set up to different degrees in every single country. But who was buying all the energy and all the oil and all the lng? And remember, we have this radical change that AI moves us from less dependency on oil and more Dependency on LNG and electricity. China was buying it all. And so your sovereign wealth fund is buying US equities, no longer lending to the US government, but all the money is coming from China, or the vast majority of the money's come from China. China now has influence over you, and you have influence over fic. That changes power dynamics. So now you've got fic. Rather than in the ideal world, they'd like to dominate the entire world, but it didn't scale, it didn't reach that phase. And so once America became energy independent, now, you know, the Gulf is saying, well, all the money's coming from China. Like, what are we doing here? Let's just buy America. Let's just buy all their assets, but let's not lend them anymore. That ain't working well for us. And if I were China, I would do exactly what China did. I'd normalize between Iran and Saudi Arabia. I'd lean into the Russian relationship. I'd build out an infrastructure across Africa, across Central and South America, across the Middle east, and exactly as they did. And we need something that resets the world order.

[Interviewer / Host]

What's that something?

[Simon Dixon]

The closure of the Strait of Hermes,

[Interviewer / Host]

because it's going to allow them to do what?

[Simon Dixon]

It creates an energy crisis. Simultaneously, it reprices 50 commodities. It flattens out the small business, the people that were on the brink of bankruptcy, the middle class, keep that closed. And who benefits? Fic, myc, tic, sovereign wealth funds that are selling commodities at higher prices. And China, that is getting all the. You look across Trump too. I look at the four main policies he did. So first thing, he did the big beautiful bill, which was a stimulus check for Mick FIC and tickets. Then he did Doge, Department of Government Efficiency. Anybody that understands currency knows that you can't pay down the national debt. That's a great depression. You can't pay down the debt. The dollar is debt. Paying down the debt is saying end of dollar, end of the world as we know it today. So why did they do that? Well, it was a data collection exercise for tic, and that data ended up in Xai and Palandir and. On a false pretense that they're going to try and pay down the debt or handle the deficit. One important thing to understand is that having world reserve currency means you have to do what America does. You have to always spend more than you bring in in tax, and you have to always export debt, and you always have to have a trade deficit. That's the rule of being world reserve currency. If you paid, if that changes, you stop becoming world reserve currency and you become a regional power, as it were. So he started doing that. And what was the mechanism for doing that? Tariff, tariff renegotiated every relationship, drew everyone to BRICS. Wealth transfer. BlackRock got the contracts, assets under administration goes up, wealth concentrates upwards again. Small to medium sized business in America paid the tax because you're an import country. So the importer pays the tariff. Then you get what else? Release of Epstein files. I think that severely damaged the reputation of the American empire.

[Interviewer / Host]

Now this felt like a parenthetical on why China wanted the straight of Hormuz closed. I'm still not sure how they benefit from that.

[Simon Dixon]

Yeah, then you go to the event that changes the order, which is you create the Suez Canal moment for America

[Interviewer / Host]

just to prove these guys are fucked. They can't like Mick is done, they can't do their thing.

[Simon Dixon]

If you can, if America, because most people think in terms of nation states rather than transnational capital. If America can no longer protect and they can't open the strait, then you've resetted every part of the post World War II Bretton woods system. And what did tariff policies do? It started breaking. What has Trump done? He broke all the constructs of what propped up the dollar. The deep state, usaid. These are all where the covert operations happen. The Japan carry trade. Suddenly Japan starts increasing their interest rate for the first time. That breaks the mechanism which is funding 50% of the US government debt by the hedge funds. Euro dollars, which is everyone creating dollars outside the system transfers more power over to foreign central banks. Okay, so give us a petrodollar, give

[Interviewer / Host]

us a thumbnail sketch of what the New World Order is and who it's going to benefit.

[Simon Dixon]

So America is controlled by Mick Fichtic.

[Interviewer / Host]

That's the status quo.

[Simon Dixon]

Correct. It subordinates Europe further. I think it needs. You can probably squeeze another three years of war out of that. Get another trillion dollars out of the Brits and the Europeans. You can probably get Russia's sanction money and you can keep that narrative going for maybe another three years. Send Europe into massive asset stripping. You can, if FICC needs to retreat from the forever war in the Middle east, give it Europe, give it internal unrest in America and police and surveillance state and give it Central and South America. You can go back and you can do your banana republic wars again over there. So you have Venezuela, then you choke it, then you have Cuba's the new narrative and you just keep going round in circles across Europe, Central and South America, you can dollarize them, you can test out your Palantir technology, you can extract resources into the US stock market. So then we can extract all the value into stocks, increase the debt exponentially for as long as that will last, weaken the dollar relative to other foreign currencies which creates capital outflows. Then you take the rest of the world and you try and get one node in every block. So the gcc, the Gulf Cooperation Council, I'd say UAE is the fixed node. In the case of China, Hong Kong is their gateway. They've got more of their financial markets and many of the legacy drug trades and gold routes and all the money laundering stuff that happens in UAE and Hong Kong. And then you get ASEAN as a bloc and you get BRICS as a bloc. BRICS is basically China is the head of brics, Saudi is the head of the gcc, and Singapore and potentially Indonesia is ahead of the ASEAN bloc. And then we get a Mikvic and tick and as many as we can penetrate. In the case of brics, let's penetrate India, in the case of gcc, let's penetrate uae and then we build based upon actually regional stability in the Middle east for the first time in history. So my prediction is we ain't going to World War iii, not chance in hell there's no nuclear.

[Interviewer / Host]

This feels way more unstable to me.

[Simon Dixon]

Oh, it's way more stable. It's a much better way more stable.

[Interviewer / Host]

How is it more stable when more people are fighting for trying to penetrate a given region?

[Simon Dixon]

Because I believe they're coordinating at the nation state level. And this is a manufactured transition based on.

[Interviewer / Host]

Wasn't it a manufactured transition to the us? It was a manufactured and coordinated stripping of the us. So where does the increase in stability come from?

[Simon Dixon]

I think this is China's plan with the Gulf sovereign wealth funds with the fic.

[Interviewer / Host]

So China is running the setup of the New world Order.

[Simon Dixon]

Yes, China negotiating with fic. It's not correct to say one has all the power. Okay, China and FIC are the powers and each sovereign wealth fund has a degree of leverage because they control strategic choke points and resources.

[Interviewer / Host]

And so with more people being able to push back, you're saying that there's less likely to be the oh, we're just going to go destabilize this place. Oh, we're going to go destabilize this place.

[Simon Dixon]

This is. If you get outside of a Western paradigm, if you've been on the wrong side of these bombs and I've visited as many countries as I can and spoke to as many, many people. When Trump started deconstructing the US empire, this was the globe. This was the dream of the global South. This is the competition between taking capital from the IMF or the Gulf countries or China, Belt and Road and being able to fight back. And actually for the first time in history, some countries in Africa, for the first time in a millennia are actually able to say, we're actually going to hold out on our resources and we're going to play you off against each other. And if you want to invest in our country, you need to employ our people and build the factory here and we'll sell you the finished product.

[Interviewer / Host]

And people having the power and ability to stand up, that creates a more stable world.

[Simon Dixon]

Yeah, they're able to play the, there's, there's, there's competition for access to capital. You can go to the Belt and Road initiative, you can go to the Gulf Sovereign Wealth Fund, or you can go to the IMF model. And everyone knows what happens when you go to the imf.

[Interviewer / Host]

Humor me, what happens?

[Simon Dixon]

You end up with a dictator. You end up with the media destroying the reputation of your country. And that dictator is bribed to take the resources and send them back to Western countries for their consumption. Debt based economy with no benefit to the population. And if you don't comply, you get assassinated, or you get regime changed or you get called a brutal dictator. Gaddafi, like we could go round and round. Saddam Hussein was a US ally then he tried to actually use his resources and price his currency in a, and price oil in a different currency. Now he's the enemy. Gaddafi tried to create a Pan African currency backed by gold. That's when you need to be wiped out. That's when suddenly Assad, if he's not complying, needs to be given by MI6 chemical weapons so that we can manufacture a narrative and make it look like you were blowing up the chemical weapons. Like the boot of the Western empire is being lifted. So for the rest of the, for many parts of the world, this is the best thing that ever happened to them. Like this is their opportunity. This is multipolarity, this is competition. This is markets, not monopolies like everything that America said it was but then didn't do because FIC took over is what the rest of the world wants to see happen. And they couldn't do it until there was competition to this mcfic and tick construct.

[Interviewer / Host]

Okay? So I mean, obviously wild for people that are hearing this for the first time. It is, I think for a lot of People going to be very eye opening. One thing that you said early is that you can exit the system and you did. And for you that was bitcoin. Why is bitcoin the off ramp? And for people that are like the populace, the masses, what is your advice for how to navigate this transition to an actual new world order? How do they do it?

[Simon Dixon]

Well, yeah, I think the first thing to realize is the politics to me and people push back against this and it creates a journey of people deciding whether they agree or disagree. There's no political solution in the West. There's no democracy. It's all a lie. The lobby, the controls and it's run by the government is a distraction. The left versus the right is a complete distraction. It's designed to get you to buy into a system that will never fix itself and you'll be eternally distracted forever. They put people like, you know, the Thomas Massey comes along and you get new hope and then they, the APAC lobby take it, you'll be eternally distracted. In, in a paradigm, the, the, the manufactured civil unrest is a construct that's being deliberately done. They want Muslims to hate Jews and Jews to hate Christians and blacks to hate whites and countries. China's China to hate America. Religious tensions, racial tensions, political tensions, Democrats, Republicans. Divide and conquer was always the strategy. Now it's, you know, and it's always been done on, on home as well at home. So once you come to that realization that there is no political system, you realize that there's two types of people and a third type of person that they don't want, they don't mind you having freedom of speech and no money and deep in debt. You can whinge about the system, you can say what you want about Jeffrey Epstein, you can talk about how corrupt some of the trades are by Biden and Trump. Please don't think I've got Trump derangement syndrome. If Biden was in charge, I'd be doing the same exercise I have been doing it. You know, I'm just doing it because Trump is here right now. So, you know, that's another defense mechanism. They don't mind you having freedom of speech. As long as you have no power and you're subordinate to the fig, you can keep saying what you want, nothing's going to happen or they want you in the system. You know, that's where you are in their leverage networks, in their subordination structure, in access to debt, capital markets or a public company or a VC funded business or any of these things or a Public company, you know, then you, you can't talk. You have fiduciary duties to shareholders. You have subordination structures that mean your life can be impacted if you can't pay your debt. You know, they, they don't mind people being in the system because they know that you can't talk about it. You're just part of the theater, you're part of the WWE game. You can't say what you want because your power and your wealth depends upon it. And so they like people co opted into the system. What they don't like is wealthy people with no debt, with a business that is not venture funded, that has assets that sit outside the system and are incredibly wealthy and can say whatever they want on a podcast. That's what they don't like. So those are very rare. And my mission was to work to see how many of those we could produce. And that's what drove me to bitcoin. And so I realized that there is a way of storing value without a central bank, owning money without a bank, and spending it without government permission. Now I have to follow the law still in my country. So pick the right jurisdiction. They don't like people that those jurisdictions exist because people want to escape. And so for me, and it's a spectrum. But becoming a more sovereign person, a more sovereign company and using jurisdictional arbitrage is how you win the game. And the more people that do that, the more people that can use their wealth to co op the fic, to buy the fic, to build the decentralized technology that disrupts the tick, and to create an environment where regional stability is better than destruction, which is the mixed model. And so right now you're watching new defense contracts being constructed everywhere because it's more profitable than destroying it. And why? Because the Gulf countries and China built enough wealth to co op the fic and influence the system and get control mechanisms within it. So to me, there's two ways in which people can take this. And I don't judge. My choice was quite extreme and quite rare, which is I decided to exit everything. Jurisdictional arbitrage, wealth arbitrage, own wealth in things. You can self custody, whether it's gold or bitcoin, but no debt, no interest. I tried to do everything the opposite. Built wealth and then buy houses rather than actually leverage debt in order to control houses for, you know, under fixed terms. The, the more sovereign you can become. And it's a spectrum, it's a journey. I think the biggest thing that people get wrong is perfectionism. They want to get it all right right away. I mean, no, it ain't gonna happen. Like, this is just a, a bit. Am I more sovereign today or less sovereign today? Is my decision more? Am I supporting more evil or less evil? And I ask myself those questions every day. Is this purchase decision helping my local, you know, my local farmer, or is it helping some big conglomerate that is wiping out the farmers? Is my investment supporting a subordination structure or is it supporting something that's more good? And, and so there's a couple of ways you can go about this. You can either say, I'm going to use the system for what it is, and I'm going to be that one person that's actually able to speak out against the system and do the difficult thing, which is speak against my vested interest. And there are wild cards, there are good people, there are people that do that. You know, read a book like Confessions of an Economic Hitman and you can find people that were involved in these control structures, constructs and wars and spoke out against it and went against their own interest. Or you can just exit the system, boycott it, and become a loud voice and using your money in order to try and change the things that you can control. And what I've noticed is that I think the way we win is decentralized technology versus centralized technology and decentralized communities versus centralized communities. If you look at all of this, this multipolar world and probably this one global government, between China and the big tech companies that we seem to be moving to, with AI and social credit scores and central bank digital currencies global in nature, there will always be pockets of decentralized communities. And so it really comes down to what is my relationship with myself, how am I with my family? And around my family are a bunch of neighbors. And at the end of the day, it's up to us. You know, that's the thing that impacts us. Are they going to break supply chains with my farmers? Well, I better support my farmer, you know, I mean, because I don't want them gone. And so it comes down to that. And I think that that is the battle. It's the system is the system. I think nothing stops this train and there's no political solution. AI is AI. There's nothing that's going to stop that. So you need to lean into it, build as much as you can in the system as it is today, and then be very conscious that your, your vote is your money on the micro level. And if more and more people do that, and by the way. Once you realize that, you realize there is a way of breaking the system. If we wanted. But they don't want you to know that.

[Interviewer / Host]

What's the way?

[Simon Dixon]

Stop paying your mortgage and stop paying your rent on a global coordinated scale. The entire system breaks. And if you actually had coordinated unions of how to negotiate with power. But they don't want you to know that. They want you to think, all I need to do is find the next Thomas Massie. All I need to do is find the next politician. And you will be bought into it. The longer you buy into it, the more you'll be distracted from it. And so if you want to break the macro system, that's how to do it. Because that's the whole system. The system is debt and the system is those assets. And you're in those assets. If you want to break the system, that's how it's done. But if we don't want to break the system, then we need decentralized communities with sovereign people, with sovereign businesses, with sovereign money using jurisdictional arbitrage and playing the game as it is because I think that there is a power structure that we can't change.

[Interviewer / Host]

Fascinating and very clear. The reason that I got introduced to you was a mutual friend of ours told me that you have a hypothesis about who Satoshi is. So speaking of people that make a lot of noise, people that don't know, Satoshi is a pseudonym for the person that gave us bitcoin. So one by way of bona fides, you got into bitcoin very, very early. But I'd be very curious to know who you think it is and why you would have been close enough to it to have a credible opinion.

[Simon Dixon]

I think a lot of people know who Satoshi is. When I left investment banking I tried to create a fractional reserve bank. So I did the try and change

[Interviewer / Host]

the system from within the non fractional reserve bank.

[Simon Dixon]

Yeah, yeah. Did I say fractional?

[Interviewer / Host]

I think you did, yeah.

[Simon Dixon]

Okay, thank you for correcting. Yeah. So look, I left the corporate in 2006 and I learned all these constructs from direct experience in, in different areas of the investment bank. I then left to try and think okay, what's the political solution here? And I realized that all the politicians are controlled by lobby's and fic. So then I said well can I just create an alternative bank? And so my wife and I tried to create an alternative bank in England. We got a meeting with the bank of England and they said you got to deposit $16 million pound. Sorry to progress this plan, you're probably not the type of people we'd regulate was the wording that they said, and you're going to have to build it on top of another bank because we ain't giving you a banking license unless you build it on top of another bank. And so I realized you can't change the banking system. It's just more technology integrated into the same. It's very protected at the central banking level. And yeah, somebody invited me and he said, I got a message on Facebook, a guy called Johnny Bitcoin in 2011 and said, hey, I've sold my house, I've moved into a squat in an area in London called Old street and there's a bunch of developers that are working on this open source project called Bitcoin. Why don't you come along and check it out? And so I went to that squat in London. I met one of the very first developers, a guy called Amir Taki, and he invited me to speak at the first bitcoin conference. I wrote a book which was the first published book in the world to include bitcoin. And I went all in investing in bitcoin companies. So then companies couldn't get financed, but we end up investing in Coinbase, Kraken, bitfinex circle, Robinhood, Bitstamp, about 100 of the biggest companies in the sector. And, but, and I saw them all get subordinate to the FIC. You know, they Coinbase floated at $100 billion completely subordinate to FIC. Like you see them go through the structure, but at the roots of it there was always the cypherpunk movement, that this was the ability to earn your own money, spend your own money and have a value that beats central banking debasement. But yeah, I think the story of Satoshi is, I do think it actually came from intelligence.

[Interviewer / Host]

Really?

[Simon Dixon]

Yes. Oh shit, yes. But something didn't go as it was meant to go. So if you look at the precursor to Bitcoin was Digicash, which was created by David Chom. And David Chom wanted to create privacy transactions on top of banking and he created the digital currency, but it was shut down because it was on top of banking infrastructure at that time. He didn't go to prison at that

[Interviewer / Host]

time,

[Simon Dixon]

but he ended up a teacher at university in Netherlands. And for those that haven't figured out, university and college is another construct of FIC as well. To control education system and funnel money into alternative agendas and build the workers they need completely corrupted. And the two of his students was someone called Len Sassermann. And there was a company set up in Netherlands that also was connected to Hal Finney. Now today, both Len Sasserman and Hal Finney are dead. But I think that Satoshi Nakamoto, under the intelligence op of David Chom, who were we? The. The one that wrote the white paper was Len Sasserman is my opinion. And the first person that did the first bitcoin transaction was Hal Finney. Now, if you look at the developer that they handed it over to, it was a guy called Gavin Andreessen. And you can see when Satoshi decided to leave the project, it was when Gavin Andreessen said, I'm going to make the CIA. We've got a meeting with the CIA and I'm going to tell them about how bitcoin works. Satoshi left the project at that point. This was also around the time when Julian Assange wanted to use it for WikiLeaks and we beat the financial blockade. And one month after that CIA meeting, Len Sasserman allegedly committed suicide. And a bit later, we were told that Hal Finney has a critical illness and is dead. And Len Sasserman meets all of the credentials and the time zone and all the different things. He did have social media posts where he was kind of saying, yeah, I'm not sure about bitcoin and that type of stuff, but I think what Len Sasserman did was not what he was meant to do. He open sourced the project. I don't think it was meant to be open source. I think this was meant to be a gateway drug for what we're having today, Central bank, digital currencies. And I've traced the entire history of Epstein's interaction with different developers and compromised networks that he tried to infiltrate with Peter Thiel in 2011 and beyond to

[Interviewer / Host]

try to pull bitcoin back into the fold.

[Simon Dixon]

Yes. Yeah, there were many ops. And I would almost like to do a whole podcast on those different ops in bitcoin, because I was there and I saw them all and I saw what Brock Pierce tried to do.

[Interviewer / Host]

What did Brock Pierce try to do?

[Simon Dixon]

Well, Brock Piers, I think, was Epstein's guy in the digital currency space. And he tried to persuade me that Satoshi Nakamoto was Dr. Craig Wright, who's the guy that recently got a year in prison and I think, not sure if you read it, for pretending to be Satoshi. And he ended up being an essential part of creating an alternative version of bitcoin. Brock Pierce also was the co founder of a stablecoin called Tether and Tether was later sold to a company called Bitfinex that I had invested in and that stablecoin tether was the gateway drug for central bank digital currencies. And when Bitcoin went open source there were several attempts to create alternative versions and fork it off and confuse the community into going to a more centralized version of Bitcoin called Bitcoin Cash and Bitcoin Satoshi's vision and I can trace back all the conversations and the developer that said that had all the credibility. Satoshi handed the development over to Gavin Andreessen. It was Gavin Andreessen that met with Dr. Craig Wright and said this guy's cryptographically proven to me that he is Satoshi. And that was a lie. He hadn't and I can go through all the different people like that led to this crypto market and VC funding. The crypto market, the stablecoin market, the central bank digital currency market is all a psyop venture capital funded complete wealth extraction vehicle, complete degenerate gambling ushering in a vital key by David Sachs who was introducing stablecoin policies and Genius act and all the programmable money that turns stablecoins into programmable police and surveillance grids in the bank Secrecy act and Genius act and Patriot act and Clarity Act. Now they want you doing everything but using Bitcoin. And there were several operations, Operation Chokepoint 2.0, various other things which we could go through all of them in a different time if this is interest interesting. There's too much to cover, you know to take us to the stablecoin alternative crypto gambling world. But bitcoin in self custody still exists where there's 25,000 nodes, there's a distributed supercomputer. In fact interestingly Iran is the largest sovereign bitcoin miner in the world. Powered by nuclear energy, which was always what this was about. It was never a nuclear weapon, it was always nuclear energy. Everything's about energy and we're resetting the world based upon energy right now. And what are they trying to do? They're trying to get you to own Bitcoin in a Treasury company with Michael Saylor. They're trying to get you to own Bitcoin with BlackRock in an ETF. They're trying to get you to borrow against your Bitcoin through Cantor Fitzgerald and Howard Lutnick connected to the Epstein network. They're trying to get you to not own Bitcoin, to own crypto, to use stablecoins to use central bank digital currencies to put it in a Wall street wrapper to put it in a debt wrapper. Because the last thing they want is for you to own bitcoin in self custody. And in the end you realize that all of this shit around it is just like it's to distract you around from the thing that actually, that actually makes a difference, that makes you sovereign, that allows you to escape the system and has created a generation of incredibly wealthy people that have able, that were able to remain sovereign. But I think Satoshi Nakamoto was Len Sassaman.

[Interviewer / Host]

There it is. Simon Dixon. God damn, this was incredible. Where can people follow along with you?

[Simon Dixon]

So what I tend to do is I got a channel on YouTube. Simon Dixon, 21, I think it is. And what I do is as a commitment for myself, I spend about four hours every Friday where I go through everything that's happening in tech, bitcoin, macroeconomics and geopolitics and reinterpret through the lens of follow the money and how it's different from the media and what the politicians are saying is more for me. You can see that I got, you know, I do it as a discipline, but people that want to listen to the four hours, I do it every single week. And then I plug it into AI and get it to do 5 minutes, 15 minutes and then I publish that all on my blog, SimonDixon.com and then real time analysis. I'm on X at Simon Dixon Twit. That's about all I can manage.

[Interviewer / Host]

Fair enough. All right, boys and girls, if you have not already, be sure to subscribe. And until next time, my friends, be legendary. Take care. Peace. Nine out of the ten largest banks get it.

[Simon Dixon]

They get that.

[Interviewer / Host]

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