Division, Radicalization, and the Real Crisis Facing American Men | The Tom Bilyeu Show Live

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Podcast Summary: Division, Radicalization, and the Real Crisis Facing American Men

Podcast: Tom Bilyeu's Impact Theory
Episode: Division, Radicalization, and the Real Crisis Facing American Men | The Tom Bilyeu Show Live
Date: September 19, 2025
Host(s): Tom Bilyeu, Drew

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Episode Overview

This live episode explores the escalating division and radicalization within American society, particularly among men. Tom Bilyeu and his co-host, Drew, analyze the underlying causes for cultural splintering, the crisis of male identity, the role of biological evolution, and the exacerbating effects of media, social media, and AI. The discussion also dives into genetic realities, evolving societal contracts between men and women, and the wider implications for the U.S. and global stability.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Media Manipulation and Cultural Division

• Foreign influence: Drew points out how outlets like RT (Russia Today) amplify American division for geopolitical aims ([01:12]–[01:49]).
• Distraction from substance: Headlines and sensational stories mask bigger issues such as inflation, housing affordability, and global trade ([01:54]–[02:16]).
• Quote:

  “We’re getting caught up in the feeling and emotion of something that happened—people forget, the global economy still moves. Rent is still due... so as much as you want to argue with me in the comments, make sure you go change those fries.” – Drew ([01:54])

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2. Understanding Human Behavior: Biological vs. Social Narratives

• Tom’s "Biological Experience" Principle: Every human is subject to inherited biological ‘rules’ affecting emotions and behavior; understanding these rules is key to self-mastery and resisting manipulation ([02:38]–[04:52]).
• Fulfillment vs. Rage:
  • Fulfillment (self-respect and contributing to the group) is a resilient, positive state.
  • Rage and ‘dark energy’ may feel powerful but are corrosive long-term tools.
• Quote:

  “If something ever makes you feel murderous rage... you are officially in contraction. That is the very thing you want to avoid.” – Tom Bilyeu ([04:23])

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3. The Crisis of Male Identity and Radicalization

• Event trigger: Recent assassination and its coverage have stoked debates about “the white male problem,” with some narratives framing it as exclusively about identity ([05:47]–[06:20]).
• Tom’s analysis: Oversimplified identity frames miss the real issue: humans, especially men, seek clarity and competence, which anger conveniently provides.
• Frame of reference: Anger shortcuts uncertainty, but acting on it often leads to disastrous, long-term consequences ([06:20]–[09:25]).
• Quote:

  “Anger is the emotion people are most likely to stimulate... because it says, ‘I know exactly what to do.’” – Tom Bilyeu ([06:20])

• Warning: Without addressing value collisions and evolutionary traits, violence becomes a likely (even predictable) outlet.

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4. Generational and Cultural Disconnect

• Younger generations: Mainstream conversations miss “the gamer Gen Z Frankenstein monster” who live isolated, online-centric lives ([09:33]–[10:32]).
• Inclusion challenge: Only those from within these subcultures can authentically represent and reach them ([10:32]–[12:56]).
• Tom’s perspective:

  “You have to make as a part of the conversation the people that really are there... I can comment on that culture, I can learn about that culture, but I’ll always be a foreigner.” – Tom Bilyeu ([10:32])

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5. Male vs. Female Violence & Evolutionary Roles

• Biological roots: The vast majority of violence is committed by men, due to evolutionary hardwiring for aggression and risk-taking ([14:12]–[20:04]).
• Disposition and selection: Women prefer partners capable of violence/protection but also resourceful and nurturing, depending on context and biological state ([16:30]).
• Pathology vs. Norm: Social outliers manifest evolutionary traits as pathology; most men and women overlap in behaviors.
• Quote:

  “The vast majority of violence is always going to be carried out by men. The vast majority of reputation savaging is always going to be carried out by women. There you go. No need for a surprise.” – Tom Bilyeu ([14:12])

• Expectation double-standards: Society would scrutinize women intensely if violence trended the other way ([17:57]–[18:23]).

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6. The Crisis Within Men’s Movements

• Fragmentation of the Right: Internal splintering into factions—Black pill, Groiper, Red pill, Chaos Bros—reflects a loss of historical male group dominance ([24:14]–[25:44]).
• Commentator’s Insight:

  “These male factions aren’t forming around shared hope…they’re forming around grievance and most of it imagined. Because their oppression isn’t real—it’s just equality finally arriving... this is the shadow of the masculine trying to reorganize, trying to remember who it is. When domination no longer works, some of these groups will rot... all of them are whispering: I don’t know who I am without control.” ([24:14])

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7. Loss of Shared Unifying Narratives (Religion/Institutions)

• Religion’s role: Historically facilitated unity through values; its decline leaves a 'God-shaped hole’ filled by new, often toxic tribes ([25:44]–[26:55]).
• Tom on tribalism:

  “Once you lose formal religion, then you still have that hole in the way that the mind works. And the thing people begin looking for... is a tribe of another kind. And the Internet facilitates finding all kinds of tribes—certainly not all of them positive, many pathological.” ([25:44])

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8. Radicalization Pathways and the Role of Ideology

• Frame of reference determines action: The idea that “words are violence” or existential threats lead some to justify physical violence ([27:48]–[28:52]).
• Danger of symmetrical radicalization: Both sides risk slipping into frames where violence becomes morally justified; Nelson Mandela’s restraint is highlighted as the needed but unlikely voice ([28:52]–[34:24]).
• Quote:

  “I think we have a pretty low threshold for where we all want to resort to violence. I think that is a problem.” – Tom Bilyeu ([29:58])

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9. Civil Unrest, Secession, and National Stability

• Recent violent incidents: (e.g., attack on FBI office) discussed as symptoms of rising instability and possible mental illness ([36:14]–[36:50]).
• Secession fears: Hypothetical Canadian provinces or U.S. states leaving—Tom warns this would be catastrophic and prefers federal unity, noting dangers in forced absorption of populations ([37:24]–[42:40]).
• Quote:

  “You want aggregated power. And while I love that people can move from state to state… I would expect the federal government would feel some type of way if California or Texas or Florida… tried to break away.” ([37:56])

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10. Economic Crisis, AI, and the Global Order

• Debt and resources: Skepticism that untapped assets can offset U.S. economic problems; structural issues like inflation, housing, and global labor offshoring are root causes ([43:00]–[46:47]).
• AI and the labor force: U.S. must re-empower workers, bring back manufacturing, and intelligently decouple from China ([43:17]).
• Quote:

  “We have completely corrupt economic system because while we force them [people] into [the stock market], we then steal their money through inflation. That's immoral.” ([43:35])

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11. Global Trust and U.S. Dysfunction

• International fallout: America’s political and economic crisis ripples worldwide; U.S. still seen as safest investment but not immune to global distrust ([47:11]–[47:21]).
• Quote:

  “For all of America’s problems, we are still the safest place to invest. Being the best is not the same as being good.” ([47:21])

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12. Generative AI, AGI Benchmarks, and The Nature of Consciousness

• Breakthroughs in AI: Elon Musk's claims about Grok 5 hitting Artificial General Intelligence (AGI)—meaning the world could change “forever” within a few years ([48:58]–[54:00]).
• Materialism and consciousness: Tom's view is that consciousness is a physical phenomenon emerging from coordination among brain cells—no spiritual realm needed ([49:05]–[54:00]).
• Quote:

  “If you add enough brain cells... the result is what we call consciousness, where the lights turn on and you become aware of yourself... Humans can learn by themselves... What does the world look like when you have a million Newtons, a million Einsteins?” – Tom Bilyeu ([52:10])

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13. ChatGPT, AI Adoption, and the Changing Workforce

• Survey findings: Most ChatGPT queries are not work-related. Among work queries, writing tasks and guidance seeking dominate, with young adults being heavy users ([55:36]–[57:55]).
• Implication: AI both augments and, if misused, potentially diminishes human skill development.
• Quote:

  “If you know how to use it, [AI] will make you smarter, more powerful. If you don’t know how to use it, it will dumb you down.” ([57:55])

• Caveat: Always challenge AI outputs—bias and manipulation persist in online data.

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Memorable Moments & Notable Quotes

• “My very job as the pilot of a human body is to not fall prey to these momentary emotions.” — Tom Bilyeu ([08:23])
• “There is a God-shaped hole in all of us and we will find something to fill that.” — Tom Bilyeu ([25:44])
• “Men in America have never really had a group identity... Now the center no longer holds. They're losing that automatic position of dominance.” — Male Factions Commentator ([24:14])
• “Best is not the same as being good.” — Tom Bilyeu ([47:21])
• “[AGI] means the world may change forever with Grok5. That is insane.” — Tom Bilyeu ([49:05])

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Important Timestamps

• 01:54 – Distraction from real issues / division
• 02:38 – Tom’s “Biological Experience” philosophy
• 06:20 – Anger as shortcut to agency; short-term vs. long-term thinking
• 09:33 – Generational gaps: missing Gen Z voices
• 14:12 – Male vs. female violence: evolutionary roots
• 24:14 – Male factions, identity crisis in men
• 25:44 – Loss of religion, rise of tribes
• 28:52 – Danger of ideological radicalization
• 37:24 – Secession and American federalism
• 43:00 – Economic realities, debt, AI and labor
• 48:58 – Grok, AGI, implications for the future
• 55:36 – AI adoption and workforce changes

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Tone & Style

• Tom and Drew combine analytical rigor with candid, sometimes humorous dialogue.
• Frequent use of analogies, historical and evolutionary references.
• Unflinching exploration of uncomfortable truths, philosophical depth, and practical advice.

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For Listeners Who Missed It

This episode is essential listening for anyone concerned with the roots of American division, male radicalization, and our rapidly-changing socio-political landscape. Tom Bilyeu urges self-awareness, goal-orientation, and the search for fulfillment, while warning about the dangers of unchecked rage, tribalism, and ideological echo chambers. With technological and societal change accelerating, the hosts advocate for clear-headed discourse, inclusion of marginalized voices, and the urgent need for modern leadership that can unify rather than exploit division.

Transcript

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[Tom Bilyeu]

Good morning, everybody. Welcome to the Tom Bily Show Live. I am joined by my co host as always, Drew.

[Drew]

What's going on, Drew?

[Tom Bilyeu]

How we doing?

[Drew]

Chilling. Happy Wednesday.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Happy Wednesday. Right back at you.

[Drew]

Rt. The Russian Times retweeted a black kid jumping in on the statue and, like, making, like, Charlie Kirk gestures in the middle of, like, a visual.

[Tom Bilyeu]

And I was.

[Drew]

And I just kind of said, I sat back and I was like, people don't even know. The RT is the Russian Times. So somebody's going to see this and it's going to keep stoking that division. So going back to your China point, there is incentive on the global level for us to be divided, conquered, distracted, all these things. Through this last election cycle, we've been so focused on Charlie Kirk's assassination, we didn't realize that the Pentagon, the Senate just passed a law that you can't boycott Israel. We just passed a law.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Is that TR true? It's. I'm gonna have to see that. That is so wild.

[Drew]

The bill, like, so there. There's a lot of things that are happening in the background. We're not talking about inflation. We're not talking about making housing more affordable. We're not talking about these trade deals. We're getting caught up in the feeling and emotion of something that happened that people forget. The global economy still moves. Rent is still due, mortgage is still due. You still gotta go to work tomorrow. So as much as you wanna argue with me in the comments, make sure you go change those fries. So there's a lot of different things

[Tom Bilyeu]

that, like, Drew is starting to get spicy on You, I just tell you this right now.

[Drew]

Three people that like specifically. But we're going to get to that. I got a whole segment for you.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Let's worry about it. Let's go.

[Drew]

Anyway, I say all that to say is that we're getting so caught up in the division of it all. How would you tell people to ground it? How do you tell people to stop trusting themselves so much in a way that you think they would listen with the extremes of both sides yelling in their ear?

[Tom Bilyeu]

Right now, the literally, the thing that I want on my tombstone is you're having a biological experience. I am trying to get people to understand that they exist inside of a set of rules. Now, you can say that those rules were given to you by God. Great. You can say that those rules were given to you by evolution. Great. You can say that we live inside of a simulation and that's just how the computer program was designed. Great. Whatever. But like anybody that says that we don't operate under a system of rules is so I don't know what to do with it. So it's like once you understand, oh, there's a set of rules, my brain works in a certain way. Cool. How does my brain work? Is it working for what I want? Is it working against what I want? Oh, what do I want? Can I actually define it? So if I could get people to understand. You should be goal oriented. You should be focused on the way that your brain works, the physics of how your brain works. You should figure out, what is it that I'm fighting for internally and externally. Internally, I will tell you right now, you're fighting for fulfillment. It is the only positive emotional state, meaning neurochemical state, that is resilient to things like failure or grief. Everything else is hyper transient. So think of fulfillment as the context that you live in. So at any time you can reach for, I'll shorthand it to self respect and you can say, hey, this really hard thing is happening to me in my life, but, oh, I can touch this thing over here, which is that I respect myself, I respect the way that I'm dealing with this. I'm facing hard things and I'm in alignment with what the. What evolution wants for me, which is to contribute meaningfully to the group in some way. Want to find things that make you feel expansive, not make you feel contractive. So, P.S. if something ever makes you feel murderous rage and you're like, this person has to die, you are officially in contraction. And so that's the very thing that you want to avoid. This is where you got to start channeling your energies. You've got to start channeling your inner Nelson Mandela, George Washington, like, however you want to think about it. You've got to find a way to be like, okay, hold on a second. There's something bigger than me that I'm fighting for. There's something that brings people together, that uplifts them, that feels beautiful, that feels wonderful. When you're channeling a vengeful God, that's not the place you want to live. It's incredibly powerful, by the way, and we can have a conversation about dark energy, the dark side, when to leverage it. The way that I explain it is, it is a incredibly powerful tool, but it damages you as you use it. So use it infrequently. Use it only in moments of, like, extreme, like, okay, I'm, I'm going to fatigue, I'm going to break unless I, I tap into the dark side here. But it's corrosive. So if you're spending anything north of 20% of your time there, you're. You're in dire straits. And honestly, you should be spending a lot less time than that.

[Drew]

So there, There has been this growing sentiment, though, that a lot of people are identifying their identity, for lack of a better word. They're trying to figure out what does this mean for them in the grand scheme of things. Some of these things have been, what is this?

[Tom Bilyeu]

What's this? The assassination?

[Drew]

Since the assassination, yeah, there's been a bunch of different releases about, is it a white male problem? They've been regulated for so long for whatever reason. Now with this Charlie Craig assassination, enough is enough. Is it a right left has now forced men to either be radical on one side or the other. And some men in the middle are being missed, like, are being like, swept over and stuff. So we have a couple reaction videos from different people kind of trying to parse through this. I don't know if you have a take beforehand or you want to jump into the video before.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Well, so the take beforehand is. Level of analysis is always the thing that matters. And so I don't think they're going far enough down into the architecture of the human mind to understand what's really going on. So worrying about what identity people choose. So grouping people by like, oh, this is a white male problem. No, this is not a white male problem. This is a problem of people need to feel confident and clear about what they need to do. This is why anger is, is the emotion people are most likely to stimulate. If you put Electrodes in their brain, anger is the thing that they will stimulate. Because anger says, I know exactly what to do. All of that anxiety and uncertainty, poof. Is just gone. I am mad as hell. I'm not going to take it anymore. I've got the energy and the focus to move forward. And so once you understand you're having a biological experience and that this is your brain basically working against your long term interests with this very potent short term thing, then you can be like, okay, wait a second. Even though I feel anger, and even though the anger feels so fucking good, I'm going to step out of this and I'm going to plan long term, right? So when Tyler either is standing in front of the firing squad, which they're actually going to go for, or if he just spends his life in prison, all of a sudden he's going to realize that Andre 3000 was right when he said forever, ever, forever, ever. Like, forever's a long time. And so when people get trapped into these short term decisions that have these long term consequences, all of a sudden you're like, okay, hold on. My very job as the pilot of a human body is to not fall prey to these momentary emotions. My very job is to not get trapped inside the frame of reference that, hey, what I am is a white male. Your job is to go, ah, as a white male, I get how I'm gravitating towards these things. Are they useful? If they're useful. Word. If they're not useful, then now we gotta pump the brakes. Because if anybody is trying trap me in my own thinking and use it against me, pay attention to how I talk about immigration. Like, that's the point where anybody from the outside is gonna be like, wait, wait a second. Because there I'm like, you do need to recognize you have a value system. You need to define that value system and you need to stand up for that value system or you will fall prey to people that have that. So this is one of those where I'm like, it is very sad to me that human animals are designed this way, but we are designed this way. Collisions of values lead to murder. And so it's like, because I don't want to get murdered, I have to understand, like, what are the things that lead to that at an individual scale? We just saw it with the shooting. It was a values based shooting. But when it becomes like culture v. Culture the uk yeah, it will become bloody. And the example that I give is, hey, y', all, Spain used to be Muslim. Spain ain't Muslim. No more. So like they didn't just one day go, you know what? I'm kind of tired of the weather. I'm gonna peace out.

[Drew]

People died. Yeah, a lot could go now we're done.

[Tom Bilyeu]

People got killed. So that's how you stop being one way or the other. So yeah.

[Drew]

All right, I'm gonna give you over a series of three tweets that kind of grounded it for me as I was kind of scrolling X Tim Miller tweeted, what America needs now is TV panels of six year olds arguing over whose language was the most inciting to violence. When the shooter has never heard of Meet the Press, spends all day playing Helldivers 2, building video game maps, looking at hentai porn and posting in discord. And then Bill Madden retweeted, tim Miller hits the nail on the head. The mainstream has zero understanding of the four chain gamer Gen C Frankenstein monster that flourishes in the households of conservative Christian MAGA families across America. So there is the do you know where your kids are? The teenager in his room with the door locked. How us yelling on politics is only going to talk to other older people who have lives and kids and families and mortgages who care about polit. But there is a population that isn't being included in a part of the conversation. How do we include them, do you think? So that way this can become productive and we're not just yelling pundit dependent or podcaster to podcaster.

[Tom Bilyeu]

You don't murder the 31 year old who could actually speak to Gen Z. That that's a good start. So there are going to be people that grew up in that era that are also of that culture. So I can comment on that culture, I can learn about that culture, but I'll always be a foreigner. Like I've learned a lot about Japanese storytel, but I'm not Japanese. So it's like if you grew up in Japan, you are going to have a take on Japan that I'll never be able to have. No matter what. Even if I go move there now, I'll never be native Japanese. And so it's always going to be very different. So when you, you have to make as a part of the conversation, the people that really are there, they're on the inside, they know exactly what this is like and those people rise up. And I think Charlie was a very interesting version of that. I don't know if he was technically like a really young millennial or if he was an elder Gen Z, but anyway, he, he straddled it enough that he could be a part of that voice. So, yeah, finding people from within that will speak on it is very helpful. And then remembering for whatever differences we have, we are all human. I know everything I need to know about Tyler based on the fact that he also has a human mind. And so the things that I don't know about him will be dwarfed by the things that I do know about him. Which is why, like, when I see racial division, I just want to bang my head through a wall because it's like, dude, for sure you've had a different experience than me a thousand percent. But the things that we have in common are vastly larger than the differences in the way that we've grown up. Neither of us find roly poly sexually attractive, but keep in mind, other roly polies find roly poly sexually attractive. So it's like that. That is the degree to which it can be different. And if you and I were that different, then I'd be like, yo, I don't even know how to relate to that. So anyway, that's where very important to get voices from the inside. Also very important to remember that we are humans. And so the amount that we understand about each other is mahusive. But to fail to understand cultural differences and try to map it would also be a mistake. If you roll up and try to do business in China without understanding Chinese culture, you are going to be very confused. Hang tight. We'll be back in just a moment.

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[Tom Bilyeu]

All right, let's dive right back in.

[Drew]

Yeah. And then this is another one from Midas, Carissa Lee. I assure you, we women talking about it daily listening to this TikTok one

[Tom Bilyeu]

who feels like there's a bigger issue that nobody's even talking about. The fact that every single time it's a man, every time it's a man, it's a guy, it's a teenage bull. Okay, pause it for a second. Okay. This is somebody that has not spent any time thinking about the fact that we are biological creatures. He is very shocked to discover that we are not blank slates. You want to know why it's a man? Because men are hardwired for violence. Like, don't be surprised. Women are not hardwired for violence like that. What I'm trying to get people to understand the reason men and women partner well together is a guy breaks into a house, man is going to that person up. They are going to put themselves at high risk for the physical confrontation. The woman is going to throw her body on top of the children. And that like we are wired so differently. The odds that radical transformation happens to a female's brain when she has children is basically 100%. Though from recent things that I've heard from people that would know about this kind of thing, it's like you can't even study it because people so want us to be blank slates. So anyway, this is like, listen, let me be charitable. Fair enough. If he's never thought about it, he's not gone down the road of researching the brain and the way that we have evolved to be very different, then this must be surprising. But the vast majority of violence is always going to be carried out by men. The vast majority of reputation savaging is always going to be carried out by women. There you go. No need for a surprise. And nobody's talking about it. And I don't understand why we're not addressing the fact that men are killing every blood. Because you're angry with God. God has decided that that's the way it's going to be. So from an evolutionary perspective, men had to be aggressive. Men had to be prepared to be violent. Women have no one ever pushes back on this. So I'm going to stop thinking that people hate it. But I keep expecting pushback on this. Women have bred men to be the way we are. So women are the sexual gatekeepers. They have decided what's a yes and what's a no.

[Drew]

And they said yes to all the violent men. To all the men became violent.

[Tom Bilyeu]

It's not that simple. But they have said, I want a man who is capable of violence. And the reason that you want a man that's capable of violence. And by the way, for anybody that thinks I'm out of my mind, read the studies about how a woman who is on birth control likes a softer, more gentle man. Because those are all the cues of I'm pregnant. Whereas a woman who is not yet pregnant likes all the signs of masculinity. So it's like if I'm deciding who to get knocked up by, I'm like, yeah, I want the high status, hyper masculine, ready to throw down guy. And then if I'm pregnant, I want somebody who's like resource acquisitive, ready to share with me, going to protect me kind of vibe. It is wild how that shifts. So yeah, that is something that I think is getting lost in the discourse is whether you think it's God, nature, evolution, the coder of the simulation. It's like this is what has led us to this point, that men and women have certain proclivities that bring us together, that make us able to cooperate in very large groups, that give us the impulse to protect, to breed and to protect. Ah, that's such a weird word to use, but it gives me the nice sort of detached thing. So yeah, there we are, that's the melange.

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[Tom Bilyeu]

story about a woman going in and shooting up a bunch of kids at a school and a woman who was being a sniper and taking somebody out and a woman went into a church and shot up a whole bunch of people, I can guarantee you people would be having a lot of conversations about all the things that are wrong with women. Yes. Because it would be so contrary to their nature.

[Drew]

That's the thing. But since disguise is like, yeah, you're supposed to do that.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Yes, not supposed to. Men are not supposed to go into schools and shoot people. But once you start looking at the spectrum, okay, this is like go ahead and let every woman ever that wants to play in the NBA play in the NBA. Literally every single one of them. I'm not saying they'll never be a woman in the NBA. I'm saying the number is going to be real fucking low. Because when you start getting to the extremes of height, physical power, I'd be very curious to see if there are regions of the male brain that are better at like judging movements or something and that, I don't know, I'm definitely reaching. But like all of those things, it. You're now at the absolute fucking extreme. There is a reason that East Africa has given us basically every single world class long distance runner ever. And there's a reason West Africa has given us basically every single fast twitch sprinter world class ever. Like there are just genetic realities to be faced. Men have certain genetic realities, women have certain genetic realities. And so once you start going into the like, oh, where am I? What am I going to see in prison? Like if you just explained to me the evolutionary reality and then said, who's going to be in prison, men or women? I'd be like, fuck, it's going to be men all day long. They're going to be way more prone to violence at the extremes. Then it'd be like, you're correct. Ding, ding, ding. So the surprise on this stuff is really more about ignorance to how the human mind works. Yeah.

[Drew]

Okay, so Brutus said in the comments, when a woman does stuff, Republicans, conservatives, red pill outlets, they talk about it.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Sorry, really fast femboy pan. A thousand percent, we were taught. So he said, not all men are huge. 100, 100, 100. So keep in mind we were talking about averages. We're talking about like as you get to the extremes of, of the curves, men and women overlap more than they diverge. So I, I am certainly not confused by that. But I w. Where people get lost in this conversation is it's not the average person that starts doing the insane shit. It's the person that's like hyper. Hyper on whatever scale that we're talking about. So yeah, just keep that in mind. Like, I don't. We, we didn't pull the clip. Cause this thing actually made me so uncomfortable. But there was a woman that was like a cackling lunatic about how she was thrilled that Charlie Kirk got assassinated and then was like, but as I told them then there were two better people that you could kill. Now she does not who. She does not say who those people are. It does not take a genius to fill in those blanks. But she is cackling like a lunatic. And so that is. And I'm not saying that you'll never see a man act like that, but that is the like secretive reputation, savaging, blood thirst via somebody else. Like all of those things are way more when a woman breaks bad. So again, we're talking about extremes. Most people are not like that. Most people overlap. There again, there's way more overlap than there is divergence. But life will be very confusing to you if you don't understand that the people that end up in prison, they're all going to be male because we're talking about the most violent among us.

[Drew]

So yeah, anyway, okay, so if we're gonna say what this guy is talking about is like, men are supposed to be this. This is assumed that men will have that violence. Are we then. Should we then be shocked when women, for example, actually choose hypergamy? Or when women, for example, do the things that women typically are supposed to do. Go to a man that's high status, go to a man that's protection, things like that. Because I feel like what you're saying is, okay, this guy's not valid because men have a higher propensity to violence than women do. But then if we were talking about, like, men versus women, and a woman is like, well, my man got to do this, this, this, this, and this. We call her delusional, and we say that she's crazy. But, like, does it. Don't women have a propensity to think that way too? So you get what I'm saying?

[Tom Bilyeu]

I do. I think that men and women are meant to be partners. And I think the impulse to interface with the world through a man is evolutionarily sound. And so over time, if you look at men had to earn the sexual receptivity of women. For women, it was a very dangerous act to have a child. And so they would make men cross a very high bar. This is one of the problems, I think, of what's happening in society right now is that contract is breaking down. So men and women are now very adversarial to each other, which means men think it's completely out of reach to earn that from a woman. And because of that, they're not even trying. So I think men are becoming less of what they could be because they don't have anybody pushing them to be better. When I think about how much Lisa pushed me to be better, I'm like, damn, like that really mattered. So, yeah, that is all part of this. So is that is the modern version of that a pathological version of a very good impulse from evolution? Probably. It probably is in some cases pathological, but the impulse is sound.

[Grainger Announcer]

All right.

[Drew]

So I feel like we started from young versus old type thing. Now we were at a men versus woman type thing. This next reaction is kind of talking about the splintering of the right within itself. Because what a lot of people are saying on these, back before their text messages were released and the Hollywood script was released to everybody, people are saying that Tyler Robinson was actually more so in the groper camp, which is the far right, versus being a far left activist in that groper camp. That's the Nick Fuentes camp that they both that that group has beef with Charlie Kirk because some say he's not right enough. And then this person breaks it down.

[Guest or Commentator on Male Factions]

We're suddenly seeing right wing male factions, groups, ideologies splintering from each other. Black pill versus Griper. I don't know if I'm pronouncing that correctly. Versus red pill versus post ironic Chaos Bros. And it made me realize something. Men in America have never really had a group identity, not like women or queer folks or other marginalized communities. Because for most of history, the system was the male group. They didn't need movements, they had institutions. They were the default. But now the center no longer holds. They're losing that automatic position of dominance. And for the first time, some men are starting to feel what it's like not to be centered. And what happens when people feel disoriented in power? They form tribes, they splinter, they radicalize. But here's the key difference. These male factions aren't forming around shared hope or healing. They're forming around grievance and most of it imagined. Because their oppression isn't real. It's just equality finally arriving. But that doesn't make the pattern any less important because archetypally and spiritually, this is the shadow of the masculine trying to reorganize, trying to remember who it is. When domination no longer works, some of these groups will rot and just go away. Some will evolve. But all of them are whispering the same thing. I don't know who I am without control. And that's the real crisis.

[Tom Bilyeu]

This is to me, the Nietzschean. We have killed God and we will never be able to wash the blood of. Wash the blood off of our hands. There is a God shaped hole in all of us and we will find something to fill that. And the interesting role that religion has played is that historically it has given us the way to come together. It's the unifying factor. You can meet somebody that you've never met before and all of a sudden it's like, oh, oh, like we believe in the same God. Boom. That immediately transmits this whole set of values. And so people are able to move together. It's really phenomenal. From an invention of evolution to architect our minds in such a way that we are so receptive to the divine. I don't know what the right word to put there is. Once you lose formal religion, then you still have that hole in the way that the mind works. And so people are going to look for something. And the thing that they begin looking for that answer in is a tribe of another kind. And the Internet facilitates people finding all kinds of tribes and certainly not all of them are going to be positive. Many of them are going to be pathological.

[Drew]

Unfortunately, we're on the cusp of this too with like AI so it's easy to talk about when a robot can do everything better than you and you get fired from your job, where does your meaning and purpose come from?

[Tom Bilyeu]

From.

[Drew]

But what we're seeing right now is Tyler Robinson had everything going for him. He was a 22 year old in a middle class society. He had a dad at home. So it seemed like he was on a fast track to live an average middle class life. And where he was. We are liberal enough as a society that him and his trans boyfriend, girlfriend. I'm not sure where the transition pathway was. They could have lived a meaningful life. They could ran off to San Francisco somewhere like they he could have done everything he wanted to get that filament and meaning. What do you think is breaking Bad in boys like him and some of these other shooters minds where it now becomes I have to do this thing instead of focusing on the good and the life and things that I do have.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Hang tight, we'll be back in just a moment. All right, let's dive right back in. We are living in a timeline where people really believe Leave.

[Drew]

Thank you for that fam.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Hitler has been elected. And that we're living out the question what would you do if you had the opportunity to kill Hitler? And so it'll be interesting to see as all of the dust settles around. Is trans ideology something that makes people more likely to like break radical? I don't know, we'll see. We need I think more information before we jump to that conclusion. But if that ends up being a true statement then it's like, okay, well there's something about that ideology that says like people, major candidates are going to be something like words are violence. Misgendering is a form of genocide against trans because you're trying to deny their existence or erase their existence. And so because we value this human life, we're not going to stand for that. And so it's a set of ideas that leads to a logical conclusion where it's like, hey, you're being stared in the face by the fact that you're on the Hitler timeline. These people are committing violence against your community. They are trying to erase them, they are trying to genocide them. And so what are you going to do? And some people will have developed a frame of reference that says, well I'm going to take that person out it would. Would be. I will not be able to respect myself if I don't take the shot on Hitler. And so this is where frame of reference becomes so incredibly important to understand. Like, where does my frame of reference actually contact with reality? And so this is why I will tell everybody there's physics and there is interpretation, period. And once you go beyond physics, you're now into the land of interpretation. And so if that is your frame of reference, that all the things that I just laid out are true, then you get why people do the things that they do. And so I understand the right's critique of the left, saying, hey, this is. These are things that they say. This creates that frame of reference that justifies violence. Not only justifies it in some ways, is like, the only morally correct thing to do. If that's your frame of reference, the thing that scares me is that I see them being equally unself aware about blanket statements. And. And that over time will also lead to the same tragic creation of a frame of reference that says violence is the only answer. What's the right next step when diplomacy and talks fail? Okay, so this is where we have to be very careful about. Where have talks failed? So Nelson Mandela, in his book Long Walk to Freedom, talks about people coming to him in prison, younger radicals coming to him in prison and saying, we need to use violence, violence. And he kept saying no. And the reason he kept saying no. And this is where I'm like, I need to go back and read the book. But the mental model that I have was he was. He didn't say these exact words, but this was the vibe. Violence is an option. I always keep it in my back pocket. There is a time where things have gone so far that I am going to have to say, yes, go be violent. But we're not there yet. If a man put in jail for 27 years is like, no, no. Talking is still the answer, then I'm just saying I think we have a pretty low threshold for where we all want to resort to violence. I think that is a problem. Think that's the response to a populist moment. I think this is what happens when everybody is economically insecure and we have a government that is working against its own people. So I'm like, okay, first of all, I'm pulled to, like, you've got a real explanation here that's very different than the surface explanation. People are arguing about the tea. Hopefully people in the community already understand what I mean by that. So that's where I'm like, hold on we need to make sure that we are at the right level of analysis. I don't think talks have failed yet. I think that we need people that can reach across the aisle. I agree that Tyler, the guy who killed Charlie Kirk, talks, he has done something very horrific. But I in terms of breaking down talks, stealing from the public sphere, a person who was willing to debate anybody who did want to do all of that. And from a symbolic standpoint, that's so big that I don't know that we're going to be able to stop the right from spiraling. And if the right spirals up to map this is what we've been we knew would come. And so now we're going to be violent back. It'll be. I'll be sitting on the sidelines with my Ray Dalio hat on going, Ray Dalio has been saying for like three years that, hey, P.S. by the way, this ends in civil war or revolution. And I think people are getting lost that this is what civil war and revolution looks like. I don't know if they're expecting it to be like it was back when one side wore gray and the other side were blue and they were shooting at each other in Valley Forge. That's not how it's going to play out now. So that's where I'm like, man, this really. It is very possible that Charlie Kirk's assassination becomes that dot on the timeline where you're like, and this is where everything went in a new direction. And so just like I will advise aggressively the UK government, as somebody who has lived in London for roughly a year, I will tell you there is a pub brawler archetype in the UK that will fight back if you back them into a corner. I've been saying this privately for quite some time now. If you back them into a corner, they will fight. And they have now been backed into a corner. They're going to fight. Like, don't keep pushing them. So the. You just saw the peaceful march. There is an unpeaceful march. And so you need to be very careful. The left and right in America are exactly the same. There are. We saw in 2020 that things can break into violence very quickly and we could certainly see that again. So I would really like to see a Nelson Mandela type figure. I don't expect it, but I would love to see it it somebody who has the credibility to say, hey, I have been aggrieved. And I'm saying now's not the time for violence. But you have to have somebody who's been aggrieved. So, yeah, more people say it.

[Drew]

So, like, Erica Kirk or like Trump would have came out and kind of

[Tom Bilyeu]

had that, oh, my God, Trump, he's not constitutionally capable. I've been very consistent on that point. But he would have been the ultimate person if he had come into office and said, listen, listen, nobody's been more politically attacked and maligned than me. And I'm telling you, we absolutely must stop weaponizing the Department of Justice. So we also can't pretend that these things aren't happening.

[Drew]

So we should tone down the rhetoric. We should.

[Tom Bilyeu]

What I would have done in this position is exactly the following. I'm going to investigate all of these people and I'm going to lay bare all of the things that they did, and I'm not going to put them in prison. I'm telling you right now, barring some revelation that I just can't imagine right now, I'm going to chalk this up to political attacks. I want to get it out in the open because you cannot allow somebody to politically attack without destroying their legacy. However, I am not going to pursue them legally. And you get into a Nixon moment where the statement was, for the good of the country, we need to look forward, forward. And this isn't that moment, though. And so somebody that has that temperament is never going to get elected. The person that gets elected is the person that. I'm going to slap him around. I'm going to show you guys, you can't act like this. And so that's the only person that's going to get into office. But that's what breaks my heart. Because what we need is from a need perspective, meaning we need to unwind debt. We need to reunify the country so that we can play on the international stage again and not be at the end. And somebody said, empires don't fall. And we had moved on to something when I saw the comment. That's full retard. I do not think they're talking about.

[Drew]

Now we got some community submissions. Thank you guys for always tagging us, sending us comments, sending us stories. We love to see it. There has been.

[Tom Bilyeu]

I hope you're kidding.

[Drew]

There has been an attack on the FBI office in Pittsburgh. Some people are calling it a terrorist incident where a vehicle was rammed into the field office. Yeah, it just happened a couple hours ago.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Start again.

[Drew]

There has been. A suspect is in custody after a targeted terrorist incident at FBA office in Pittsburgh. Officials say the suspect, Donald Hansen, allegedly crashed into the gate, then grabbed an American flag from the vehicle and threw it over the fence before fleeing.

[Tom Bilyeu]

The FBI said what's he trying to do?

[Drew]

American.

[Tom Bilyeu]

To see how just America. Yeah, America.

[Drew]

Here's a flag. Hold that.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Wow. Okay. So this one feels like mental illness.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Like I don't know what they're expecting to get out of that. That. But okay, so yeah, I mean we're going to find out if now the right is so mad that they just start and look, I hate that I assume that if you're throwing a flag over a fence after ramming into it, I hate that I assume that you're on the right. But if I'm honest, if you're throwing a flag, I assume that you're on the right. So if this is the right time for now, unmentally unstable people doing unhinged things things. And that's where we are.

[Drew]

Okay. There has been growing movement in Canada. I don't have a link. I've been searching for one that they are talking about succeeding. So I've heard it's Alberta, I heard it's British of British Columbia, BC but the states within themselves of Canada kind of breaking up where America is right now with this Civil War hot button national divorce. Where do you stand in like succession type of plans societies. When nations do this, when nations split up, what's your kind of immediate reaction?

[Tom Bilyeu]

Damn. I have not thought about it because I really do not want to find us there. I think that that would be a level of catastrophic. We would turn into Europe, which would be bad. You want aggregated power. And while I love that people can move from state to state and I love that state have state rights and they can do things differently, I also love that we are a federalist system that holds everybody together. And I would expect that the federal government would feel some type of way if California or Texas or Florida or anybody tries to break away from the union. I would not expect that to be like, all right guys, bye. I would expect to be like you, you're part of America and we're going to like invade your. That's what I would expect to happen. So I have not spent hardly any time thinking about that. But that would be be wild. And given that I do not agree with California politics, so I do not consider myself to be on the right. I really don't want states to break left and right. That would be. And I'm hyper aware from they already have. But in terms of breaking away from the union, I. I'm not here for that. I don't want to see Texas become a red state. I don't want to see California become a blue state state, meaning separated from the US as a whole. So, yeah, that would be horrific.

[Drew]

Yeah. Even just from an economic standpoint, that just doesn't seem like a winning strategy. But with Canada separating, this is an opportunity. Could Trump get his 51st state? Like, if you were the, like, you wouldn't. You wouldn't go in and scoop it. That's. That's a gimme.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Like, no, dude. So there is a reason that one of the biggest things you have to contend with when you take over a country is how do you get, how do you win the hearts and minds of the populace? And if Canada doesn't want to be the 51st state, you have an unending, violent nightmare on your hands. So I have seen no indication that any meaningful part of Canada wants to be a 51st state. And so I always thought that was the dumbest trolling in the world from Trump because it is just going to set their teeth on edge. And hey, look at that. The guy that was going to win the election. Election on the conservative side ends up not, I think in large part because they reacted so violently to Trump being an. And saying that, no, you guys are the beloved 51st state. Like, that makes them feel like you're the little bro. Like you're part of us anyway. You don't have your own culture, you don't have your own identity, you don't even have your own government. That was so dumb. I see this a lot with, like, Alpha E types who, like, they. It is as if they don't understand. Other people have an internal narrative. And if you can't help them have an internal narrative that makes them feel good about themselves, it's never going to work. This is like us and China, right? We both have to be strong, but we can't go expect the other person to kneel before us. China, if they think we're going to kneel before them. And fuck us. If we expect China to kneel before us, that's not the part of the timeline that we're on. So people have really got to get their heads on straight about the way the human mind works. So, yeah, prattling on about Canada being the 51st state is dumb. It will have the exact opposite effect you want it to have.

[Drew]

If they didn't, if they did succeed now Canada is three separate countries. Country number one was like, I don't want to do this. I want to be a part of America. We vote 70% to 30% to be a part of America. Are you still like, no, let's not do it? Or is that like, okay, they voted in this separate. And it's okay.

[Tom Bilyeu]

I really wouldn't want to do it. So if then we had a vote, like, do we absorb them? I'd be like, are you guys not paying attention to the Ukraine? Because I don't know what the percentage of the bordering towns voted that they really see themselves as more Russian. And there was like a big conflict about they want to be able to speak the Russian language, but Ukraine is trying to define themselves as anything but Russian. So they weren't letting them speak the N. Russian language. It's like, that's exactly the kind of thing that would play out. That 30% is going to cause you a lot of problems. Problems I would much rather have, like, hey, we want to make it easier to cross the border. We want to make it easier to do trade deals. We want to lower tax burdens, completely eliminate tariffs, whatever. Like finding ways to, from an economic standpoint, make it feel kind of like they've done in Europe. So if we had like a north. I mean, we have nafta. North American Free Trade Agreement. Yeah, nafta. So things like that, like, if we want to beef those up, I. I have not studied that well enough to know if there have been, like, horrific consequences from that. But at least on paper, that kind of thing would make a lot of sense. But trying to absorb a country where 30% don't want to be there. Nope. Hard pass.

[Drew]

All right, hypothetically speaking, separate new topic. We're pivoting. We're changing. Right. Five car Charlie says, Tom, did you see the interview with Kathy Fitz on DJ podcast?

[Tom Bilyeu]

No. She claims that none of these syllables have I ever heard together before.

[Drew]

Play with me with the thought experiment, though. She claims that the debt isn't an issue because the US has 500 trillion in untapped resource assets.

[Tom Bilyeu]

You lost me. Hello.

[Drew]

If true, does your opinion change? So somehow she say, oh, well, we have, okay, rare earth minerals in Montana. We just never built out the mines for them. We have oil reserves that we don't do because of regulation. We can pull all these levers and it's 500 trillion in total assets. Hypothetically speaking.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Yep. Okay. I hope people can predict my answer on this. And it goes like this. The only strategy that we have been left with is to grow our way out of this. I'm far more confident that AI is going to usher in something like a pro productivity utopia than I am that we'll discover Enough rare earth minerals and all that that we're going to be able to grow our way out of this. That isn't the problem. The problem is that right now you have a, an economic structure that forces people out of housing, the only asset that they understand, into gambling in the stock market, which is a modern miracle, but is still gambling. And it plays out over extraordinarily long periods of time. And you cannot live inside of your investments. So we, we have completely corrupt economic system because while we force them into that, we then steal their money through inflation. That to me is, is immoral. We, we have an immoral structure. And so if we want to say something akin to listen, I should be able to steal from you, Drew, because I'm going to teach you how to make more money than I steal. It's like what? Like stop stealing, healing. Then if on top of that you want to do all these things that also grow, great. But you are doing a thing that is structurally immoral. So that is my beef with that. I also don't think it's going to work. I don't think that we're going to be able to grow our way out of it. It is just too big at this point. You have to do a beautiful deleveraging, which is the very shorthand way of saying a whole bunch of painful things that I is going to be essentially politically impossible to get people to vote for. Which is why this problem continues to go. But should we be making ourselves more self sufficient? Yes. We are not in a globalist moment. We are now in a populist moment. We are going to be defensive. We are going to contract. So we need to bring a lot of high skilled manufacturing labor back to the U.S. we need to decouple from China in an intelligent way. We cannot, certainly not anything to do with our modern way of life. Nothing to do with farming. Pharmacology. Why is that word seem so weird all of a sudden? We can't let our drugs be tied to China. We can't let our war materials be tied to China. So we have to find a way to bring that stuff either to far more friendly places or all the way back home. Also remember, if you're really mad about wages stagnating, one of the most important things you must do is re empower the American workforce by not offshoring everything. So giving companies an incentive to come back to America so that they're incentivized to deal with the fact that then the worker will be in a stronger position and they can negotiate against you. So there's got to be a trade off. Otherwise American companies can be like, nope, I'm just going to keep doing this. I'm going to offshore things, I'm going to figure out who are the people that are in a worse economic situation than Americans and I'm going to go there and do things for cheap. You've got to get power back in the hands of the American worker. Now that also pathologizes, just to be very clear, so nobody's confused in the future when I'm like, unions are a problem because they are. But you also need it's pathology on the other side. We have disempowered the American worker so far that it becomes a problem on that side and AI is going to make that problem worse. So this is a very difficult basket of things.

[Drew]

Woo. It's a two star on X with a banger. Question, what's a two star mean? No, that's her name. I S a T O U.

[Tom Bilyeu]

There we go. It's a two star. I thought you were saying it's a two star.

[Drew]

The US is facing a governance and economic crisis that goes beyond its borders. If America can't get its house in order, from debt to political gridlock, how can the rest of the world trust in a stable recovery?

[Tom Bilyeu]

They can't.

[Drew]

Global economies are tied to the US and its dysfunction is dragging everyone else down.

[Tom Bilyeu]

That's sort of correct. We're not, I don't think we're going to be able to.

[Drew]

We're not touching.

[Tom Bilyeu]

No, because we are messing with China. There's no doubt about that. And we are intermingled. My wife is in the chat, my beloved. So listen. Yes, it's true, we're interconnected. Yes, we can cause global economic problems a thousand percent. We are still in a better position than anybody else from a. Where would I want to invest? For all of America's problems, problems, we are still the safest place to invest. People are diversifying more and more and people should read that as a signal. Being the best is not the same as being good. But China being a dictatorship also makes them incredibly problematic because overnight they could say, sorry, we're taking all your stuff. So people are very hesitant also with the antagonistic posture between the US and China. I'm sure that there are things that are no longer considered okay, even if it's just, just behind the scenes where Trump is going to Tim Cook and being like, man, it'd be a real shame if you got tariffed into oblivion. So all of a sudden it's like, okay, okay, I'll do India. Nope, India's not good enough. Okay, okay, we'll do glass here in the us and he'll keep applying pressure until he gets more and more of what he wants. So not everything is on the books. Power, some of this is soft power, manipulation, et cetera, et cetera.

[Drew]

So, all right, we're going to bounce around to some other things that are happening in the news. One non problematic thing that Elon Musk has said recently is that Grokfire5 might just hit AGI. They tweeted I, I now think Xai has a chance of reaching AGI with Grok5. Never thought that before. And this is retweeting x freeze that Grok 4 just smashed the AGI benchmarks, achieving even higher score than its previous high with open program synthesis.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Is X freeze on the GROK team or is this leaked?

[Drew]

What is this Tech update strategy and bold takes?

[Tom Bilyeu]

Because Grok 4 is not out. Is it coming out at some point? All right, interesting. Okay, so when you hear AGI, you need to hear the world changes forever. So what Elon Musk just said is the world may change forever with Grok5. So that is insane. And as somebody who hasn't said that before, and somebody who has built the data centers faster than anybody, somebody who showed that a level of scale that other people told them was impossible is possible. Possible. That's crazy. Because what they're saying is you can use computer chips to make, effectively brain tissue. It's synthetic brain tissue, but it's brain tissue. So we already know that human level intelligence can be created. Right. We all know that. So it's just a question of scale and material. So given biological material, you certainly can do it. Hey, there's two people right now. I think we both hit AGI. Drew, I'm willing to say it. Chat may disagree, but we know it's possible. So all the people that are like, that's never gonna happen. I'm like, what? Like literally, the Blind Watchmaker was able to get to AGI, so I don't see why we're not going to be able to do it unless there. We may not be on the right track yet. That is certainly possible. But until we hit a point where adding more, I should make a confession that is very unpopular in brain science. I am totally materialistic. So all the people that say, and not in a Madonna way, way in a. The world is only the physical realities. There's nothing other than this. There's no spiritual realm. Your soul does not go somewhere. There's no such thing. There is only brain tissue. So if consciousness, which is like just so hotly debated now, I'm perfectly willing to accept I just don't know enough about the problem to see anything other. But I have researched this a lot, so I'm certainly not just like some casual noob boob. But I'm not say Annika Harris, who has. But I've read everything and listened to anything Annika has ever said on the topic and many, many others. So anyway, consciousness people call the hard problem of consciousness because everybody says you can't explain it. To me it is very simple. If you add enough brain cells that coordinate in a very specific way with all these separate brain regions, the result is what we call consciousness, where you. What they call the lights turn on and you suddenly become aware of yourself self again. Maybe I'm just too stupid to understand how difficult that problem is. Or maybe as what we're learning with AGI, you just need more brain tissue. You just keep adding and adding and adding and adding. And so I think the argument that rocks have a level of consciousness is just. That is silly in my opinion. And that really what this is is it's a processing power question. And even if AGI never truly becomes self aware, it will be able to mimic self awareness to the point where we can't tell the difference.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Tom Bilyeu]

So at that point, does it really matter? I would say it does not. So anyway, this is when you get something that is self reflexive and can learn by itself. This is what people have to understand. Humans can learn by themselves. Humans can learn by themselves. Okay, so there was a guy named Newton who literally sat in a room and was like, Drew, you know, we need, we need, we need calculus. The bad news is, Drew, calculus doesn't exist. So I'm finna make calculus. He f. What? He made calculus, dude, I took calculus. I don't understand. He just sat there and was like, like, I'm going to make a whole new form of mathematics so I can figure this stuff out. That's so wild. So now imagine that you can have a million Newtons. What, what does the world look like? We see the world. When you have one Newton, one Einstein. What does the world look like when you have a million Newtons? A million Einsteins. They don't need to sleep. They only eat sunlight. Yeah, the world's going to be wild. So when he's left like, oh, by the way, Rock five, which, what's Grok five three years away, it's not more than that. So you are three years away from the world being different than ever. P.S. by the way, I have a new upcoming deep dive this coming Monday, a week from. Yes, two days ago. Coming out on, like, what jobs you need to position yourself for. I wish I had had this information before I wrote wrote that you're going to want to watch it because the world's going to change forever. Maybe consciousness is God. Hard pass, Mr. Mike. Although, hey, I. I know not what God is. So as long as we can agree that the white man with the beard in the sky is not consciousness, then cool.

[Drew]

There's been an interesting survey that's.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Wait, wait, wait. Mad villainy. I am just beginning to learn about Leibniz. Thank you for reminding me that I need to do more research. You are correct. I don't know nearly enough about him.

[Drew]

What? What's Leibniz?

[Tom Bilyeu]

He was. Oh, God. Mad villainy. Can you. We can just ask Chat who was. Let's go back.

[Drew]

I don't know. He had a perm.

[Tom Bilyeu]

He say what?

[Drew]

He had a perm.

[Tom Bilyeu]

He had a perm. Oh, Jesus.

[Drew]

Look at that. Look at that head of hair. Go ahead. Leibowitz.

[Tom Bilyeu]

He was not Leibowitz. Annie Leibowitz was a photographer. It sounds like you're talking about Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz. In who he was. Was a German polymath, philosopher, mathematician, diplomat and historian. Man, I miss the old days when people were like, about a whole bunch of different things. Nobody wants that in today's world, Drew. He's one of the towering figures of the 17th century. Often mentioned alongside Newton, Descartes and Spinoza. Key contributions Mathematics. Co invented calculus independently of Isaac Newton. Leibniz's. Oh, so that's what he's saying. Like, basically, don't leave out your boy when talking about the invention of calculus. Leibniz. Leibniz's notation. This is where we get into stuff. I don't even understand what it means. Cool. There you go. So he independently also created calculus, which is wild. There it is. Okay.

[Drew]

All right.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Still looking up Leibniz?

[Drew]

No, the chat has been blowing up.

[Tom Bilyeu]

What's Chad talking about? What are they mad about?

[Drew]

Drew? No, it's just a troll. Here's how people.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Oh, we had to take somebody out. I see a lot of deleted messages.

[Drew]

Drew, Here are how people actually using ChatGPT. A recent study from the National Bureau of economic research. 70% are using. All queries are not related to work.

[Tom Bilyeu]

So wait, wait. What is this?

[Drew]

This is from the Bureau of the National Bureau of Economic Research.

[Tom Bilyeu]

So basically people are talking to chat at work about non work related stuff. As an employer, I love all this. This is fantastic.

[Drew]

Among work related messages. So the other 30%, the most common use for ChatGPT is writing. Writing, writing. Inquiries made up 42% of work related messages and 52% of all messages from users. About 49% of all queries were classified as asking for guidance, advice, information. 40% of the messages were classified as doing or asking the chatbot to complete a task. Female users contributed then more than half vault queries.

[Tom Bilyeu]

However, 51% or however.

[Drew]

It is worth noting that the study determined this by classifying first names as masculine or feminine. Pamela. Okay, so it could have been a Julia and if it was a dude, then they would have probably called it a woman.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Yeah, fair. I need to know if it's like 78, then it's like, okay, this is not going to be a name classification problem. If it's 53, then sure, it could just be like Terry could go either way.

[Drew]

Yeah. And the youth love AI. Half of all messages were from adults under the age of 26. And then this is like a visual breakdown.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Is historic, man. Yeah, it, bro. We got somebody. We got to kill him off.

[Drew]

We have, we have to kill him off.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Chat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What the. So chat is being weird today. Esoteric dichotomy. Said that and. Yeah, I don't know what that is.

[Drew]

Oh, that was probably from the burner account. He came back. He came, he came back reloaded. That's, that's awesome.

[Tom Bilyeu]

That's funny. We got to get some moderators that can help us like kill them off.

[Drew]

If anybody wants to be. Yeah, just anybody wants to be a moderator, hit up the discord. Hit us up in Discord. Discord. Link in the description. Okay. Nothing surprising though, from the AI survey. I think that what got me was a lot of the how to advice, teaching, tutoring, creative ideation, that was 28%. I use it usually for writing and seeking information. So they're like, hey, how do I do this chat? I think that that's like an increasing one that we don't necessarily talk about as much.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Much. Yeah. AI is. It is revolutionary. It is. If you know how to use it, it will make you smarter, more powerful. If you don't know how to use it, it will dumb you down. But if you understand the deep laws of mathematics and then somebody gives you a calculator, it is a good day. If you use a calculator but never understand the laws of mathematics, then okay. It's maybe not helping you in the same way, but when you're trying to track cause and effect, AI is a phenomenal way. And by the way, if you treat AI as being completely sus, your life is going to get better. So for instance, I've really been trying to figure out like, is it true that the left is more violent than the right? And so all the initial studies are going to be like, nope, right's way more. And then I was like, but wait, some of these organizations are like notoriously left leaning that you're getting data from. And Chad's like, no, it's not what you you mean. And I'm like, bro, I would like you to do a sentiment analysis on the Internet and tell me that the, that there aren't very credible voices that are saying that this is like a way, way, way left leaning organization. And they come back be like, yeah, you're right. And so I'm like, okay, well let's push this farther. And so if you just take everything it tells you at face value, then you're likely. It's like using Wikipedia and assuming that Wikipedia only tells you the truth, that is propaganda. Remember that AI is just crawling the Internet. It is very good at synthesizing the Internet and God bless it, but it just synthesizes. And there is going to be, there already is a war playing out for SEO that people know the AI will crawl. And so like for instance, if you look at the AI's interpretation of how many people marched in the UK, it'll give you the 100,000, 120,000 number, which is like ridiculous. And if you ask the AI, well, hold on. We know that this bridge is this big, big. We know that it's this long, this wide. We know that a person takes up roughly this much space. So when you look at the pixel density of the people on that bridge, run the mathematics. And then the AI will be like, yeah, I estimate a way bigger number. And so it's like, okay, AI, help me understand then why you're saying that. And it will sketch out. So people need to understand this. Going back to the physics, AI works in a noble ish way because it's certainly black boxy. But like you can understand how, how it's getting its information. You may not understand how it does the synthesis, but you can understand how it gets its information. So anyway, be a little bit careful, challenge it, et cetera, et cetera. Cool.

[Drew]

I don't know if we got anything going on, but that's all I got.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Thank you guys so much for joining us. We will be back on Friday. I hope to see you guys. 6:00am Pacific Time. Thank you for being here as always. We love you bunches. Until next time. Later.

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