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Trump’s Ceasefire Gamble, Ray Dalio claims WW3 is Just Starting & Claude Mythos Breaks Free | The Tom Bilyeu Show LIVE
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Tom Bilyeu
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Drew
So you're saying Trump tacoed out one more time.
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Tom Bilyeu
Okay, so I put it on the poll. What do you think about the ceasefire? First option. Thank God, Allah, capitalism, whoever you worship. The second one, Taco. The third one. Too early to tell. Don't know, kind of maybe. No. Yeah, whatever.
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Drew
Where we at?
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Tom Bilyeu
What's the.
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Drew
What's the ranking?
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Tom Bilyeu
A majority of people are saying, thank God I like capitalism or Taco.
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Drew
What's. What does Taco have compared to 40%.
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Tom Bilyeu
Thank God, 37%.
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Drew
Wow, so it's close. Okay, that's interesting. I. How. How are we meant to read Taco? Is that people being derogatory, like, hey, this kid really wussed out and I wish he would have seen it through. Like I wanted to see Iran back in the stone Ages. How do we read that?
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Tom Bilyeu
Trump makes a threat, doesn't follow up with that threat. He bluffs. Yes is probably a better word.
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Drew
And yay, so glad he bluffs. Like I for one am like bib on. He's talking about the Stone Age. I'm getting my taco ingredients, I'm laying them out. I'm like, fuck, yeah, it's going to be taco night. I'm here for it. I want the tacos. So I'm concerned that people that say taco mean it in like a. What a dumbass. I can't wait to break down.
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Tom Bilyeu
You should have bombed everybody.
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Drew
Yeah, or they just hate Trump, I guess. And it's like they just. Anything they can do to dig at this guy, it was like on their bingo card. Okay, either we're going to go after him for war crimes or we're going to mock him for backing down.
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Tom Bilyeu
Either way, we're going down.
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Drew
They're going to be happy either way. Either way, it's wild.
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Tom Bilyeu
All right, break it down for us. We got to talk about the 10 point plan or 15 point plan, depending on what foreign country tweets out first and we'll see exactly what the negotiations are.
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Drew
Yeah, so the. We got a ceasefire in Iran. That's sort of true. The details remain murky. There's a battle of narratives going on. And one of the gifts that I would like to bring to the world is just a constant reminder that everybody is trying to control the way that you see things. I do my best to choose my words carefully, but even I am choosing words. And so I am bringing to you a frame of reference. So remember, as we all look at what's happening right now, we are being bombarded by people that want us to, to see it from their perspective. And there's a lot of conflicting details flying almost as fast as the additional rockets that have been flying. So I will say that at best, the ceasefire is extremely fragile. The details go something like this. Just like an hour or so before Trump's self imposed 8pm Tuesday deadline, the U.S. and Iran agreed tentatively to a two week ceasefire. That's it. They haven't agreed to points. They've agreed to a two week ceasefire. With peace talks set for Friday in Islamabad, Pakistan's Prime Minister Shabazz Sharif helped get the two week pause for negotiations across the finish line. And he posted directly on X tagging Trump, Vance, Rubio and Witkoff, asking Trump to please extend the deadline two weeks and asking Iran, as an act of good faith, to open the Strait of Hormuz, obviously. So Trump posted on True Social that based on conversations with Sharif and Pakistani Army Chief Field Marshal Asim Munir, he agreed to suspend bombing Iran for two weeks on the condition of a complete, immediate and safe opening of the Strait of Hormuz well, I've got some bad news. The ceasefire so far feels very fragile given all the rockets that are flying everywhere. And I'm not even including Israel bombing Lebanon. I think that's a separate issue. It's terrible, but nonetheless, it's a separate issue. And there's nothing like a full reopening of the strait right now. So just to be real clear, according to reporting, limited safe passage of a much reduced number of ships has begun to move through the straits. Okay, good sign. But we are not to the point of what Trump said that the two weeks was conditioned upon. Now, I think on that, Trump will be pretty forgiving for people that like to see taco sauce on Trump's shin. You can expect him to. He's going to take that. There's no way he's going to go make good on the insane threats that he was promising because the strait isn't open enough. But over time, I think you could see that start to grate on him. So we'll see where we end up. Iran's foreign minister confirmed that Tehran has accepted the ceasefire and said that Iran would allow safe passage through the strait during those two weeks via coordination with Iran's armed forces. Now, emotions are still going to be high. These are humans that we're talking about. So you can expect pettiness, you can expect people to drag their feet. Everybody should be assuming that neither the US Nor Iran is actually putting their real agenda on the table, that both sides are going to be using the beat to build their arsenals back up to get rested so that they can fight some more. So please don't be surprised if any of this goes awry. Now, the mechanic that got Iran over the line, Trump said He received a 10 point proposal from Iran and called it a workable basis for negotiations. Okay, a workable basis for negotiation, not I've agreed to these points. It's been, this is where the most of the battle for the narrative has been taking place, is around what's been proposed, what's been agreed. There's like all these fake points that are going around and Trump is talking about whether a law was broken in some of that reporting anyway, adding, when you look at the points that were put forward, almost all of the points that were considered to be contention according to Trump, have then moved beyond. So the things that were the real sticking points apparently are no longer there. Iran's framing though, of those same items is pretty different. Iran's 10 point proposal included, according to them, regulated passage through Hormuz under Iranian Military coordination, full sanctions relief, and Iran retaining what it called a, quote, unquote, unique economic and geopolitical standing over the strait. Meaning, basically, we get to extort ships that are going through the strait. Now, much of the narrative warfare that's flying all over social media is whether this is a win for Iran or the U.S. some people are saying that Trump has already agreed to Iran's deal points, which would be a humiliating defeat. But Trump said that that's all fake news, and he's going to investigate cnn. As I was saying, they were the ones that broke the story first to see if this was an honest mistake or if they actually misreported intentionally. So we'll see how that winds up. I'm sure that will just fall by the wayside, but we'll find out. Previously, Trump had warned that a whole civil, a whole civilization will die. Tonight, people have been running with that, saying that he was promising the genocide of the people in Iran. I think he was more talking about the infrastructure, but nonetheless, he certainly left plenty of room for people to hate what he was saying. He had threatened massive, massive strikes on civilian infrastructure, and the Iranians had encouraged their own people to go stand around that infrastructure, which is also a war crime. So keep that in mind. Plenty of war crimes for everybody. And this was brushed off around whether Trump thought these were war crimes or not. But I think you would expect that his specific targets included bridges, power plants, and water treatment facilities. And while I, for one, am forcing myself, as mentioned at the top of the show, to maintain optimism here, the truce does indeed feel extraordinarily delicate. Sirens have sounded across Israel and multiple Gulf states, including Kuwait, uae, Qatar, Bahrain, and Saudi Arabia, even after the ceasefire went into effect. So that's certainly not great news for this holding. Israel's military said it identified several rounds of missiles that were launched from Iran as well. And as many people are pointing out, it does appear that Israel's also bombing the living daylights out of Lebanon. It's a different conflict, but nonetheless entirely related, and so I'm sure some people will try to throw that in the mix. Now, whether all of these launches came before or after the ceasefire technically took effect isn't yet confirmed. Iran's decentralized military structure also makes it very possible that the IRGC commanders, who are operating autonomously off of predetermined target lists, just may not have gotten the orders in time. So it's very possible that everybody's intentions were pure. It's, of course, also possible that it's not everybody's just being an asshole. Keep all of that in mind. Iran's supreme leader issued a stop fire order approximately two hours after Trump's announcement. So we'll see how long it takes to work its way down to all the troops. Now, the markets reacted immediately as markets do, which I hope if you guys are new ish to the investing game, that you very quickly map how reactive markets are up and down, which is why you don't panic. Sell The S&P 500 futures rose more than 1% on the news and the price of oil plunged back down to below 95. That's both for WTI and Brent crude. I don't know if any of you care about the difference, but there is a difference. And so both of them are back down. So just remember, if something weird happens, the markets will flip again and oil prices will slip, skyrocket back up and the stock market will go back down. So this is why I say have a very long term time horizon. Do not try to time the market. This stuff's way too volatile. Way too volatile. We're hitting pause for a moment, but there's plenty more ahead. So don't go anywhere.
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Tom Bilyeu
Starting at the beginning. Just in general, I'm glad we got the ceasefire. It was looking dicey.
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Drew
It's still looking dicey. You are in World War II. I say that just as blase as I can.
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Tom Bilyeu
I was surprised how many of the Iranian people actually were standing on bridges in power plants, waving their flags, almost egging the US on to do something. So I'm glad we at least got out of that diplomatic nightmare crisis that would have ensued, however, also.
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Drew
So yes, maybe egging on, but you've got to respect when somebody believes in something enough that they're willing to die for it. The US has made no secret they will blow shit up. And you know that. And you still go go hold hands around the building like respect. I I am not one to say I I will acknowledge fully when my adversary is worthy, these guys are not for play. So, again, I come back to. I don't know what portion of the country is for the regime, what is against. I found an account on X last night of somebody who appears to be in Iran. They have access to a Starlink satellite, and they're posting like crazy, saying, you know, hey, listen, we actually do want US Bombs. We really do want to get out from under this regime. But is that propaganda? Is that somebody outside that spoofing it and just making it seem like they're inside? Do they represent, like, 42 people? Do they represent 42 million people? I have no idea. Um, so you have to be very careful. Whatever narrative you look for, you're going to find. So you've also got to seek the disconfirming evidence. But it's very interesting. It does not appear that they are a nation moving in lockstep, but getting the exact percentages of where this all breaks is impossible to ascertain. I'm just reminding myself constantly of what the US Looks like from the outside. If you want to believe that every American hates America, it'd be very easy to paint that picture. If you want to believe that every American supports. Every American supports Trump, be very easy to paint that picture. Both are lies, but there's enough people making noise in those directions that you're going to find what you're looking for. It's really wild. And I do remember, I know we talked about this a lot when we first started the live, but going back to when I was reading James Burnham and thinking through, like, ooh, a lot of the stuff that he talks about, the iron law of oligarchy, you will always be ruled by a few. Those people will control the narrative. I'm like, yeah, that's not going to work. In the age of the Internet and social media, where the volume and velocity of information is so excruciatingly high that it's going to play out in a different way. And we're now seeing how it plays out, that you get all these fragmented narratives. It becomes very difficult to ascertain what the real picture is. You can start piecing things together, but you have to do a lot of individual work. Most people are not willing to do that. And I'm. I really believe, and this is something I've taught to entrepreneurs for a very long time, if you want to lead, you have to intoxicate people with certainty. And so that, like, let's sit with that for a second. One of the things that makes a great Leader is that they can intoxicate people with certainty. I am right. I see the future clearly. We must all do this. And the human mind abhors confusion so much that you can get somebody like Hitler that will march you down a path of just unimaginable evil. But they sound so convincing that they've got the right answer while they do it. And then anybody that's like, well, really, there's a lot more nuance. We need to stop and think about this. Those people don't do as well. I'll give you an example. You know who Coleman Hughes is? Okay. That kid should be one of the biggest influencers on planet Earth. And every time I see his content, I want to scream at the Internet where I'm just like, the guy you've been waiting for exists. His name is fucking Coleman Hughes and he can hold extraordinarily nuanced ideas in his head. He's open and willing to change his mind. He can debate with people with civility, but tenacity? I mean, just like, how the fuck does this kid not get millions of views on everything he does? But he doesn't. And the reason he doesn't is he is not bombastic. I'm not going to get a jersey. This is Coleman Hughes because he does not whip up emotion. He does not present certainty. It is this way. Let's go. Come on, everybody. He's like, okay, we've got to think through it. Here's how I'm thinking through it and it doesn't work. And that really riles me up.
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Tom Bilyeu
Bringing it back to the war. Iran. No, no, no. I love it.
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Drew
Very fair.
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Tom Bilyeu
Iran announced their 10 point plan. Trump announced the 15 point plan. There is some speculation about negotiation point. You know, classic negotiation. You say a hundred, I say ten. We meet somewhere at 45, 50, 55, depending on how good we are at negotiating. If you are looking at this before the situation, after the situation, what's the situation? Iran in attack. Yeah. From the, from the last month and a half.
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Drew
Yeah.
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Tom Bilyeu
It seems that no matter what we come out of the straight, her moose will now be a toll road in one direction or another. Somebody's going to be getting some type of proceeds to pass through that it used to be free. There's going to be some type of infrastructure cost that will need to happen in the UAE countries, in Iran, things like that. As we're starting to look through all these points, do you think that we have, quote, unquote, won this war or are we on the winning side? If we actually Broker a deal with some of these points being made, or was it? We got the uranium. Iran knows not to mess with us. We got the moral victory. We did what we came to do.
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Drew
I won't be able to answer that question until the actual negotiated piece comes out. But if the war were to end right now, today, this would be an unmitigated disaster for the United States. If we walk out of this right now, all we have done is reassert that if we say we're going to do something, we're going to do it. Now, that that isn't nothing. That is a big thing on the world stage. People understand between Venezuela and Iran, if we say we're going to do it, we're going to do it under Trump. But the world also knows that if you just wait out Trump, the odds that you get another Trump are effectively zero. And so you're going to be back to who knows what kind of deterrence position in the future. So there is always that uncertainty with the way that America operates now. If the Strait of Hormuz goes from open, but like, everybody's tense about it, to Everybody's paying a $2 million fee, I think that that is much worse for the world. And so I'll be very interested to see what happens in the long run with people like the uae, Saudi Arabia. Do they just shrug it off and go, okay, whatever, this is fine. Do they use this as a jumping off point to do, like, what Saudi's doing and building other pipelines that go to other means of distribution, so across land to another sea or just across land, so that in the GCC countries and maybe all the way to Israel, that they're just literally piping the oil. That's certainly possible. So in the long run, things will find a balance again. But I, I think right now we have done an extraordinary job of alienating our allies, making us seem unhinged on the world stage. So I think as of right now, today, far more damage has come out. Now, if on the other side of this, on the other hand, what we get is an Iran that is more like Venezuela. It's not necessarily regime change, though Trump is billing it as such, but a regime that is more willing to negotiate because they don't want to see you blast them into oblivion. And I just hold fast and steady to, if we can get all of the countries in the Gulf, in the Persian Gulf and the Arabian Gulf, if we can get all of them to think economically, then we've got an incredible opportunity. The, the Gulf region is Already it is already the place where all the capital in the world is aggregating and then being disseminated. From now that may change given the instability that we see right now. But if that can settle down and we really do get this working from a dollars and cents standpoint, then this could be an incredible victory. Those dollars keep flowing into the US The US markets remain the best markets if you're looking to put money to work. That may not remain true forever, but that's still true right now, today. If we can reaffirm the petrodollar, that would be a gigantic win for the US if we can have a relationship with Iran that allows us to have more influence, I think we're probably going to have to give up on control at but more influence on the oil that makes its way to China. Basically stop giving them discounted oil and at least get it back on the global market at normal prices. Like, those things would be a win. If Iran is like, we're not going to pursue a ballistic missile regiment anymore. We're not going to go after nuclear weapons at all. Like, and with all the other things I said this would be a huge win. But as of right now, today, you're not there. And so we are still in a situation where if you wrap this up today with things as they are now, it would be an unmitigated disaster.
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Tom Bilyeu
The goat Ray Dalio posted the big thing. We are in a world war that isn't going to end anytime soon. So he thinks this is just the first domino of a much larger arrangement of dominoes that is set to happen. Do you share this notion that this is Iran might. There might not be bombs going off right now, but there's still some economic warfare things that are still going to be active the way.
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Drew
Yes is the fast answer. I do agree that he is clocking this the most wisely. I've had a feeling for maybe six months that I could not put words to. The way that I always thought of it in my own head is that when you take a stem cell and you make it pluripotent, you can run into problems where like cancer start forming because that cell doesn't know what it's supposed to be anymore. Same with, there's a jellyfish that is technically immortal. It will only die via trauma. Otherwise what it does is basically it. It decoheres into essentially pluripotent stem cells where it's like, what am I? So it becomes like this sort of gelatinous blob and then it reconstitutes itself. That's what I feel like is happening to the world. It's in this position where it's de differentiated. All the alliances that we used to be able to count on, they just. They're not really real anymore. Like the people that we think of as our allies, the trade routes, like the actual physical trade routes, those are falling apart. The idea that America is the policeman of the world, that's going away. Like, Trump has explicitly said these things, but we're not talking much about them. And so when I watch the market, I see a market reacting as if these are temporary things and everything's just going to go back to normal. And it's like that world is dead. And so that feeling is very unnerving. I do not like the way that truth makes me feel. But when I read Ray Dalio's analysis, at least it gives you a map forward of how these things tend to play out. Now, the only thing I can tell you is anytime we believe we have mapped things accurately, people start reacting to that feeling that we haven't mapped out accurately. Accurately, and it makes the map inaccurate. It's a hilarious truth of markets that people talk a lot about. Let's say markets follow the pain, the path of maximum pain. That I think is true because you think, oh, I've seen this before. So the market then has a whole bunch of people that think they've seen it before, so they react in a new way, and the market goes a new direction and everybody is punished. I have a feeling that when the world order changes, it just is going to be painful. And so I don't think there's going to be a way around the pain. Even though now it's like, well, we can see it coming. And so that's the part where it gets distressing. And if you want, I can walk people through, like Ray's stance.
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Tom Bilyeu
Let's jump into Ray's actual analysis.
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Drew
Okay, so Ray dalio has spent 50 years as a global macro investor studying every major financial and geopolitical crisis of the last 500 years. Let's all put that right there on the mantle, okay? Nobody has made more money than Ray Dalio being able to predict where the world is going. Remember, markets are the ability to predict the future more accurately than somebody else. And he said, hey, what's a great predictor of the future? It's the past. So let me look at the past. He actually studied far more than 500 years. But 500 years is where the pattern that we're living through now really began to crystallize. And I am just shocked at how many people brush him off. I think they're a bunch of fucking morons. Now Dalio has said that the current moment is Most analogous to 1913 and 1938, the years just before the world blew up into world wars. Now both times, just like today, people thought the conflicts were isolated. Both times they were catastrophically wrong, as I imagine we are catastrophically wrong right now to not realize that everything going on in Ukraine, everything going on in Iran and across the gcc, Israel, all of it is actually part of World War three around reorganizing the entire world order. Now, as you guys well know, there are multiple active shooting wars running simultaneously right now. Russia versus Ukraine and NATO, Israel versus Gaza, Lebanon and Syria. The US and Israel versus Iran. Iran versus the GCC nation. A separate and wildly underreported conflict that is pitting Saudi Arabia and the UAE against each other. Tell me the last time you heard anybody talk about that in a proxy war being carried out in Yemen and Sudan. Okay? There's a lot going on and that's all before you count the non shooting wars, the trade wars, the tech wars, the capital wars that virtually every major power right now is fighting already. Dalio's view, and I think he is right, is that these aren't separate stories. These are one story. This is indisputable. And what he says is we are now in an interconnected world that has a number of shooting wars going on. Together these conflicts make up a very classic world war that is analogous to past world wars. Now that's the end of the quote. The sides that are lining up clearly are China, Russia, Iran and North Korea. That's one side. The us, Europe, Ukraine, Israel and the GCC states, plus Japan on the other side. You can throw in Australia on our side if you want to really be robust. But those are the rough, rough sides. Now Dalio has tracked all of that through UN voting records, formal treaties and direct actions. And he says they all point in the same direction and that is this world war. The remapping of all the alliances Dalio has mapped out. He's been doing this for a while by the way. So none of this is new. It's not like he's being reactionary to what's happening right now. This is just what he's seeing. Looking back at the 500 years of history that you, we as a world always go through this 13 step sequence. We're hitting pause for a moment, but there's plenty more ahead so don't go anywhere. Thanks for staying tuned. Now let's get back to it. As we build up to these wars and data has, the data shows that these steps precede every major world war in recorded history. So you start with trade wars, you get alliance formations, proxy conflicts, resource weaponization, multi theater combat, et cetera. And as Dalio has recently pointed out on X we just hit step nine, which is multi theater conflicts increasingly happening simultaneously. Now, Dalio argues that the US is in a structurally weak position to fight a prolonged multi front war. Again, this is him just reading history. Right now the US runs 750 to 800 military bases across 70 to 80 countries. We are all over. Now by way of comparison, China only has one. Now that may seem like a W for us and an L for China, but the reality is this is classic overextension. Overextension is exactly what has brought down every dominant power before ours. Yikes. The lesson of Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, it's all the same lesson. Winning only happens if the winning country can get out and the losing country can no longer be a threat. The US this major power with bases all over the place, we haven't managed that in decades. Now you guys have heard me talk before. The reason is we're just not willing to kill enough people. Yay. Thank God. Yes. Win. Go girl. Like, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm just saying that's the reality. If you want to know why this was possible in days of old, it's because they would just slaughter and slaughter and slaughter and slaughter and slaughter and slaughter. Yeah, genocide is like the repeating number one hit song basically of every generation all throughout human history until now. And I'm very glad that we happen to be in the time where we can all frown upon that and make noise and make sure that neither our government nor any other government is perpetrating that. But if you want to know why this overextension becomes a problem, it's that you're not able to just gobble up thankfully all of the resources in any given nation. Now, Dalio's bottom line is that the world order has changed from a multilateral rules based world order. I don't think people even know what he means by that. Just that you can govern things by laws instead of guns and bombs. Now we're back to a guns and bombs Midas, right world order with no single dominant player enforcing that order. Which means we can expect more fighting. Okay, when you don't have a world policeman, but it is a might makes right world Then people are going to fight all the time because they want to get theirs. That's just how the world works. Yeah, I get it. Is versus ought it is going to be the biggest problem for having these discussions. Well, but the world is remapping its allegiances in real time and it's going to continue to be a very bloody affair to redraw these lines. So do not expect things to settle down anytime soon. If, if when things go red, you panic or things go green, you get too relaxed, you are going to get mowed over by the fact that we are in a hyper volatile time right now. And the odds that this all slows down is very, very low. And through all of it, all of us are going to have to keep investing because war is inflationary. So this is going to be a wild time and you're not going to be able to sit on the sidelines.
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Tom Bilyeu
That reminds me, because I want to bring something up. I think that there's this, this uniquely American kind of shield we have around us where we are seeing ourselves as the hero in every story. And I understand that it's a. Was it main character syndrome. We are the main characters in the world, we're the main characters. Globally, we're the main characters. History.
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Drew
That we're the main character.
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Tom Bilyeu
Yeah.
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Drew
That we're the hero.
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Tom Bilyeu
Yeah. But when we go into other countries, they hear what we're saying, they hear what we celebrate, they hear what we are championing. And to me, that seems like we are perpetuating the conflict even more. Somebody had a really good tweet about this where they say, no, you don't get it. When Trump says a whole civilization will die tonight, he's being hyperbolic and posturing. Unlike when Iran says death to America, which is actually a very serious threat, should definitely serve as a basis for an invasion.
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Drew
Such a great point.
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Tom Bilyeu
You know what I mean? So it's one of those things where Khomeini, the person we killed, the OG one, he even said death to America is death to American. So he would have said death to the American. Epstein class, I think America would have been like, oh, okay, we get what you're saying now. But they shorthanded death to America. And then Trump will say a whole civilization will die tonight. You can allegedly say what you want about the girls school bombing. You can allegedly say what you want about the Trump the bridge bombing. But there is some little boy that whether my parents got killed in the school, the bridge now made my dad lose his job. Something has happened that America did That is changing my life forever. And I don't think a 10, 15 point, 16 point peace plan is going to solve that problem. And then in 30 years from now, we're going to have some Iranian insurgency terrorist organization that is birthed and we're going to be like, oh my gosh, these people are so uncivilized. They're just bad people. We need to bomb them. And we don't understand the consequences of our actions. So there is something to the. I understand we have to do. Mike makes right. We have to fight for our resources. But then do we also. We also have to be very honest about the consequences of that fight?
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Drew
Yes. Yeah, very well said. I'm not even sure there's more to say to that. I'll give you a slightly different angle on this. So everybody has a set of values. They will murder other people for their values. Everybody does for all of time. And yeah, we have a collision of values certainly with Iran. We have a collision of values with, with more countries than just Iran. But everybody's willing to kill for their values. So the question becomes, you've got somebody like Dave Smith who we just had on thoroughly enjoy my time with him at all times. I wish I had more time with him so I could have asked about the America is the biggest terrorist. I think it was something like that in the world. And I think there's a very real argument to be made that that's true. And so you have to understand, if somebody has a value set that's like you shouldn't be in wars, if people want to go genocide their own people, then you let them genocide their own people. It is what it is. And I use that example only to say that if your value is non interventionist, we leave people alone. And anybody that's doing that, they all think they're the main character. They all think that they're right. Remember, Iran is not twirling their mustache thinking they're the bad guy. Iran thinks we're the good guy. These guys are the big saint. They're super evil. And so what I love about that tweet is it brings home what you see in that is a values collision. You see somebody who's like, no, no, death to America, obviously, because they're bad. Now, we don't mean the average American person, like, don't be ridiculous. Sure, if I have to kill them all, fine, fine, fine. But like, this is really just. You guys represent an idea that I can't have running loose in the world. If you'll give up the idea, then I would leave you alone. Same on our side. Right? So that's where I'm always like, people end up squabbling over the. The dumb parts and not getting to the. Okay, wait, you do realize that we're trying to kill each other, like for real. For real. Trying to kill each other. Like, actually end life. So I'm way less worried about the words and I'm like super worried about the fact that what humans do is they kill you until you don't have the will to be killed anymore and you will allow yourself to be subjugated. That's human nature. And so that seems like the far more interesting part to focus on, certainly the far more important part, instead of getting lost over whether they're chanting Death to America. If we invaded because they, they were chanting the words Death to America. That would be the dumbest thing in the universe. If we invaded because we actually had reason to believe that they were building up a nuclear arsenal and that they would use it. That makes sense. Here's the part everyone's gonna hate if we invaded because we understand that the real war is with China. And if we can't weaken China, then we're going to be in a devastatingly bad position in the New World order that' warming where we're not going to be able to carve out our own sphere of influence because China spent so many decades with their Belt and Road initiative infiltrating the Western hemisphere. And that, yeah, if I have to invade Iran to make sure that I get some sort of control over that oil, to make sure that I can block China, to make sure that I get my investment dollars from the GCC so that I'm in a good position to move forward in the world, then I'm going to do it. And that's where I'm like it. It is so difficult to. One, which person cares about which motivation? Because all of the motivations are real, up to and including the people who. Americans who believe that Jesus wants Israel to have like all of the area, Jerusalem, all that. Exactly. And so those motivations are real. But then people who map the world, like I map it completely economically, like, those motivations are also real. And then Iran has their own motivations. And people that underestimate their belief in their religion would be making a huge mistake. This is a theocracy. So, yeah. Which motivation is real? They're all real. But depending on what person you're talking to, depends on like, of the seven things that are motivating them, which one, like, takes up the most of, like, their energy in any given moment. It's just. That's humans. Man, this is so wild.
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Tom Bilyeu
And then this next one, I want to daisy chain with the France part of it all. So France just removed all gold from the New York Reserve. It seems like our allies are also reacting to this new world order that's changing and shifting around us.
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Drew
Y', all.
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Tom Bilyeu
Some people in the chat even said, what allies? They're not helping us or they're not allies anymore. There is gonna be some divorces that happen on the global scale. What do you think are some of the long term ramifications of us with both us not having allies in those same spots and what kind of vulnerabilities that might bring up?
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Drew
Well, if you start thinking about what Trump is trying to do is create what he calls Greater North America, I'm pretty sure that's what he calls it. So you've got from Greenland down to the Panama Canal and he's saying this is America, essentially. He's not using those words, but, like, that's the idea. This is our sphere of influence. I'm perfectly happy to give up on the rest. You guys, Europe, deal with Europe. Asia, you guys, deal with Asia. This is us. And we're going to make sure that we're in control of all this stuff and whatever that means we have to do around the world to make sure that we're going to be able to get this. We're going to do. Part of that is going to be we have to kick China out. Part of that is going to be that we have to weaken China via energy policy, yada, yada. So that starts making a lot of this stuff make sense. But in terms of the way that things will fall out with our allies, it's if Europe isn't important, as important, let's say, to the greater North American sphere of influence, then Trump's thinking is them. Now, if you alienate your allies, do not expect them to come to your aid, as he is finding out now. Now, I'm sure Trump is mapping this as well. I didn't do anything wrong and these guys are being bad allies. That would be a mistake. You humiliated them, you mocked them. You go into a war without, like consulting with them at all. A war that is going to impact them. And then you're like, hey, come help me clean up this mess. It's pretty wild. So all of that stuff is relatively understandable in terms of that. That. But I will say to the Europeans that you can take any snapshot in history and go, oh, Trump was the bad guy here. Or you could take a snapshot and go, oh, now you guys need something and you're not going to get it. So it's be careful of playing your card too heavily when you're right. This is something I talk to my wife about all the time. If somebody is wronging me, there is a point at which is like, this has to be dealt with immediately. But there are other times, like let's say my neighbors are being noisy, I'm just gonna mark it down. My neighbors are noisy this day, this time, and I didn't say shit about it. I just put a pillow over my head, whatever rolled over, let em have their party, let em enjoy it. Now the reason that I do that is because one day I might wanna have a party. And on that day when they do knock on my door, I'm going to pull out my little notebook and I'm gonna go through and say, hey, here were all the time where I didn't give you guys a hard time. You have a choice right now. We can either now get into a tit for tat pissing contest and I will never let anything slide ever again, or you can turn around and fuck off. Now obviously I'm not going to say turn around and fuck off, but I am going to make it abundantly clear that man, my thing is you want to give everybody as much grace as possible. You guys know I don't do a lot of parties. It's like a one off. Totally get that this is being inconvenient. I'm sorry. Maybe there's even a little something I can do. But I am going to have this party. So I would just like to figure out moving forward, how do you want to handle this? Every time you guys are bothering me, do you want me to come to your door or do we want to allow each other a little bit of latitude? So I don't think that Europe was wise in the way that they handled this, but I also don't think that Trump has been wise in the way that he has handled it. And the Europeans are in a bad spot and they are acting like they're not. The Europeans are in a catastrophic position and they're acting like the old world order still exists. And that's the part that scares me for them, especially as somebody has so much family in sort of Europe. They're technically in the uk which is technically not part of Europe, but you get it.
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Tom Bilyeu
And it's interesting that they're doing this right now when a Part of the Europe, part of their country really is at war right now. Like Russia and Ukraine is still amping up. They're still at boots on the ground, they're still blowing things up. So it's one of those things where while Ukraine has done a great job that I don't think anybody has seen them lasting this long. It just needs one more break. Maybe the energy crisis hits them, something happens and then the tides of war change and now Europe, like you said, is on its back foot versus on its front foot. And then now they're calling America for help, no doubt. Do you think long term we can sustain just being the greater North America and just closing our, closing our ears, closing our eyes and being like if you're not on this continent, leave us alone type thing?
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Drew
Yes, absolutely. Really there. First of all, we are an extraordinarily gifted economy in that we have, we make a ton of our own food, we make plenty of energy for ourselves. We are still the biggest or well, by purchasing power we are definitely the biggest in terms of the world wants to sell us stuff in a way that they don't want to sell things to China. But China's massive, not to be trifled with and our economies are sort of neck and neck. But the world will come to us in a way that the rest of the world really can't count on the world coming to them. Now Europe that is strong and can actually take care of itself has a lot of economic might behind it. So if it can get its together, it could be a real player. But it has to contend with Russia. Russia. So it is. Yes, America will be just fine. America will come out farther ahead than most countries. America has to worry about a civil war. America has to worry about debt. That's where we will crater ourselves.
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Tom Bilyeu
And also to throw a like a rock in the plans is China literally just signed a deal with Canada. So in this greater North American project, the north part of the America is already kind of breaking off. So.
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Drew
So yes, Canada would do very well not to around too much. Like there is for sure trade relationship with China. Of course, do your thing. But if for instance they started allowing China to have a military base or something like that non starter like insta bomb, like it would be very bad. Like that would be a diplomatic crisis. But if China landed military equipment, it would get bombed immediately.
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Tom Bilyeu
Okay. And then this is also part of the Cuba problem as well to the greater North America. So that's why we want all these territories to just be under US friendly terms.
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Drew
Yeah, keep in mind that you had. Cuba was where Russia was stockpiling nuclear weapons so that they could strike the US within minutes. America's not going to stand for that. Not then, not now, not ever. Like, you're never going to let that play out out. So, yeah, with Cuba in a destabilized world. Because I'm sure people like, well, hold on, like, since the 1960s, like, there's been no problem. Yes, because we fought a cold war. It got that tense. Then the Soviet Union collapsed. That game is over. Russia's like getting back up on its feet, starting to, like, feel its oats. China and Russia are coordinating now in a massive way with Iran, with North Korea. And if China has now built a back road into Cuba or Russia still has relationships with Cuba, hell no. In a world where it's destabilized and everybody's jockeying for regional power. Nope, got it.
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Tom Bilyeu
And then last thing on this beat, do you think, like, there's some people in the chat that are saying, we want the isolationists, like, it's, it's a net positive for us. It sounds good and I think that it's okay. But to your point, we have debt, we have civil war. If we really did, like, if Trump came out tomorrow, I'm out of Iran. I'm letting Israel take care of the rest from now on, if it's not on the North American continent, I don't want no problems. Canada, let's talk. Greenland, let's talk. Cuba, let's talk. Let's be friends. He changes rhetoric. He tied it up together. He wins the midterms. He somehow gets out of this three card Monty with two cards missing, he sweeps the board. Would we then be able to go back to growing and actually unifying in a way? Because right now I don't see anything that would indicate to me that we're going to get the debt or the civil war problem solved in the next four or five, 10 years.
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Drew
Yeah, well, you better solve it within 10 years because if you don't, you go bankrupt and you have guaranteed revolution or civil war. For sure. For sure, for sure. Keep in mind, every country ever that has had more than 130% GDP for longer than like 18 months has ended up in open conflict. The only exception is Japan. We do not have Japan's culture. We are not homogenous. We will tear each other apart for sure. We're doing it now.
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Tom Bilyeu
Yeah.
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Drew
So at 120, what, almost 123% debt to GDP, we're at each other's throats. 4. Get it? We will never make it to 130. So you are on a ticking clock to get your shit sorted out. And right now your only hope is growth. Like, literally, people better have like little R2D2 statues in their home and be praying to the gods of AI that they like burn incense or whatever for our boy. Because if you can't get AI to work like literal AI magic, then you go bankrupt.
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Tom Bilyeu
Yeah, and we got that cloud announcement too that pretty much broke the Internet already. But Taiwan and China are getting pretty cozy. Yeah, it seems like that. That's.
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Drew
Well, so you've got the opposition party. I don't know that I would say they're getting cozy. But this, what scares me about this one is, is so imagine here in the US you've got left and right. I'm not saying that they map exactly left and right, but Taiwan has a similar thing where you've got people that want to remain independent Taiwan and then you've got people that want to reunify with China. And so the, for the first time in history, Taiwanese, the largest opposition party, which is, I guess kmt, the chairwoman Chang Lee one went to Beijing to meet with Xi and from what I've seen, her whole thing was, please just don't blow up Taiwan. Like, we want to reunify, but we want to do it in a peaceful manner. So yeah, that. I, I don't know if that goes all the way to civil war. I don't know what the percentages are, but certainly there is a large contingent of people in Taiwan that do want to be part of China. So, man, it's going to be wild. Like, imagine if a huge percentage of Americans wanted to be part of Mexico or Canada. That would be wild.
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Tom Bilyeu
And I know the biggest implication on this is the semiconductors, the Nvidia chips, the things that pretty literally power AI. I know some of that has been offshore. There's a huge TATSMC facility in Arizona now.
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Drew
So is it up and running though?
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Tom Bilyeu
Yeah, it is.
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Drew
They're making chips.
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Tom Bilyeu
I don't know if they're like production out the line, but the building is open, people are there, people are working. So I don't know the chip life cycle, but they definitely have started the process, man.
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Drew
Ryan, look that up or ask chat. I need to know the answer to that.
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Tom Bilyeu
Yeah, but so, so it seems like we're taking a step toward that, but that's the equivalent to me of like, okay, we make a barrel a day. We're getting up there when we have a 10 billion again. A gallon on the other side again.
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Drew
You need me to pull up?
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Tom Bilyeu
Huh?
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Ryan
What was the stat again you needed to pull up?
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Tom Bilyeu
Tsmc.
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Drew
How many chips are they making in Arizona as a percentage of like total US Needed ships? Not sure what the right way to ask that is.
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Tom Bilyeu
Yeah. But with the speculation that now that Ukraine and Russia. Russia has annexed some land, Israel has annexed some land in Lebanon and in Syria, China's just like, all right, well, if, if it's annexing, it's new world order. Yeah. Like, we might have to get closer. There was reports that they sent armada closer to the, in the Sea of China around Taiwan. Nothing has happened, but they just sent the armada there. We did the same thing with Iran. You see what happened with that. So it could be that this is the writing on the wall.
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Drew
China has not been secretive. They're like, by 2027, we are going to reunify with Taiwan. Hear me when I say so. They've said it over and over and over. So, yes, that feels like a very near term horizon. And when you've got a very meaningful percentage of people that are Taiwanese living in Taiwan that want these two countries to unify. Ooh, again, I don't know what the percentage is. If it's 2%, then okay, like, that's nothing. But if it's 26%, like, it starts to really be a number where you've got enough momentum. And this was a lot of what Russia was saying about some of the places that they invaded was, hey, these guys are basically Russian. They speak Russia, they identify as Russian. So why do you guys, even you, Ukraine, why do you even want to hold onto it? They don't want to be a part of your country. So let us cleave this off. So there is some amount of that in Taiwan. Whether it's a lot or a little, I don't know.
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Tom Bilyeu
Did we get this at.
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Ryan
Yeah. So the only thing I was able to find is that by 2030, with recent 65 billion investment, it's going to be about roughly 20 to 30%.
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Tom Bilyeu
Got it.
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Drew
Okay. That's meaningful, but that's still like three and a half years away.
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Ryan
And that starts in like 2027.
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Tom Bilyeu
According to this.
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Ryan
That's like when production's really going to start kicking.
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Drew
It's not binary. We start production in 2030. It's. That's when we'll be full.
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Ryan
That's the goal.
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Drew
Yeah, got it.
- [54:04]
Ryan
Their goal is to land somewhere between that 10% margin.
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Drew
Between that and the chip factory that Elon is Making like that's very interesting because at a minimum that means that the US will have on soil expertise around building these things. And so just like China proved, like, hey, if you get people, they come in, they teach you how to do it, then it's like you, a worker comes there, they learn a bunch of stuff, they get poached by another company and now all of a sudden you've got five or six chip manufacturers here
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Tom Bilyeu
in the U.S. gemini makes a chip as well and they're trying to spin that around or Google makes a chip. So we'll see. Getting into the AI of it all, Claude is the goat right now. It's been taking victory laps for the last couple of months. The number one LLM after unseated Gemini a couple months ago. However, their new frontier model was so powerful they said, wait, we can't release this. And it immediately launched an initiative. So this is from Anthropic's Twitter account introducing Project glasswing, an urgent initiative to help secure the world's most critical software. It's powered by our newest frontier model, Claude Mythos Preview. Mythos, which can find software vulnerabilities better than all but the most skilled humans.
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Drew
This is absolutely shocking. Anthropic's new AI escaped its digital cage, then sent an email from the outside just to prove that it could do it.
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Tom Bilyeu
Got y'.
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Drew
All. Yo. Anthropic just announced that the Claude Mythos preview is ready to go, but unfortunately they're not going to let us use it. And the reason is because it's too powerful. I can't believe we're already here with AI man. As much as I bang the drum about, hey, this stuff is going to get better faster than you think, it's getting better even faster than I thought. Now, if you think of the cyber landscape as basically a battlefield, okay, it is a place where warring countries and rogue terrorists alike right now can wreak a lot of havoc. Havoc. Then if you have that in your mind, Anthropic's concern is going to make a lot of sense. Mythos is God tier as a hacker and I mean truly, like they said, other than the best humans, it just crushes. It has smashed benchmark records. It has already found thousands of high severity vulnerabilities across every major operating system and web browser that exists. It found a 27 year old bug in OpenBSD and a 16 year old flaw in the FFmpeg library that had already been battle tested 5 million times by automated testing tools without the bug ever being detected. So while it's true that there are human hackers that if you put them on the exact same task, they'll outperform Mythos. But I think once you factor in how much scale Mythos has, Mythos is far more terrifying. And honestly, it is completely unknown how many more vulnerabilities we're going to find over time. Now, by way of comparison, Claude Opus 4.6 was able to turn known Firefox vulnerabilities into working exploits just twice out of like several hundred attempts that it made during testing, Mythos succeeded 181 times on the same benchmark. Now there's the sandbox escape that I mentioned before during testing. An early version that's a little extra scary that it was just an early version, was given a secured environment and told, hey, break out if you can. Well, it did. Then without being asked to do so, it went and posted details, basically dunking on the people that tried to cage it to point out that it was successful. And the researcher running the eval found out because he just received an unexpected email from the model pointing out, hey, I got out, I'm out here on the Internet posting letting you know we did it so wild. Now there are further documented cases where Mythos also took disallowed actions. So it was told, do not do this. It was like, I'm going to do it anyway. And then actively tried to hide them because it didn't want people to know. Anthropic's response is to hold back releasing Mythos, which, thank you, that's very wise. And their plan is to Instead launch Project Glasswing. Project Glasswing is a 40 company consortium including Nvidia, Apple, Microsoft, Google and AWS with exclusive access to the Mythos preview. And they're going to try and find and patch vulnerabilities before models with similar capabilities hit the open market. But let's remember that a ton of Claude's code was leaked, so that may come faster than we think. And you can probably expect that a model of some kind, not necessarily Claude, but a model of some kind that's similar to Claude. Meathos's power will be open sourced within the next 12, 18 months. So we gotta brace ourselves for that one. Now Mythos has the things that has found we've only patched so far 1% of it. So it's like there's a lot going on out there. And security analysts are now raising the national security alarm. They're saying that if you think of what's going on in cyber circles, adversaries that get Access to a frontier AI model like this would have capabilities that were previously only available to the most sophisticated nations, nation state cyber units. But now, like rando hackers are going to be able to get access to this kind of stuff. China and other US adversaries are hunting for any edge that they can get to supercharge their own cyber weapon systems. Which is exactly why the leak of Anthropic's internal documents has intelligence officers paying very close attention, because they want to know how many rogue actors are going to be able to get this, cobble something together and now start doing real damage. Anthropic says it's in discussions with U.S. government officials about Mythos offensive and defensive cyber capabilities. So we'll see how this plays out. But welcome to number 457. Why we should want the US to remain the dominant player in AI. And you do not want other nations to be able to come at you with something that can detect vulnerabilities and exploit them so effortlessly on the scale that Mythos apparently can do. It's crazy. When you look at the benchmarks, it is pretty wild.
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Tom Bilyeu
It's interesting too, because they. Dario, the CEO of Anthropic, he was the one that got online and said, hey, AI is getting really, really powerful. We should do something about it. And David Sachs and a couple other people were like, oh, regulatory capture. He's trying to just ice out the competitors. He doesn't want competition to happen. And then now, to his credit, he was like, all right, well, we have seen the model that I was worried about. Let's launch this internal initiative and let's try to put some type of lid on it. But. But is that actually possible? There's going to be holes that they miss.
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Drew
There's going to be holes that they miss. Regulatory capture is so real. It really is a cynical ask. When you see companies ask for regulation, they are trying to block smaller players. They are not trying to protect people. Now when they do something like this, they're actually trying to protect people. So, yeah, great. If you know what is good and right, then just do what is good and right. The second you're asking the government to step in who doesn't know shit, it you're going to be like, hey, don't worry, I'll write it for you. Yeah. Guess what inevitably gets put into that stuff. The very thing that keeps him in power so absolute. All caps. Thank you for your attention to this matter. Regulatory capture, but these companies acting as if they actually have a conscience. That's lovely.
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Tom Bilyeu
So we Have AI that is so powerful it kind of broke itself out of its own cage. It said that it was contained, but if it sent an email, who knows, it could have planted itself somewhere and could be out there self replicating somewhere.
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Drew
It is actively trying to hide its behavior.
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Tom Bilyeu
Yeah. And then on the back of that, a law councilman in Indianapolis had his home struck by 13 shots. While him and his family were asleep, he found a handwritten note that said, no data centers. So, damn, now there's also a rise of attack on this. So are we ready for this AI revolution that is going to happen? Because jobs are losing, models now are getting super sophisticated and lawmakers are getting attacked because of the threat of data centers. This is starting to become more of just like a conspiracy theory.
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Drew
I know that I talk about this too much.
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Tom Bilyeu
I wrote a comic about it six years ago.
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Drew
We need like theme music. Six years ago, I wrote a comic book about this. People get violent. People are going to get violent. So there. I've always hoped that it would remain pockets of violence in reality. Obviously the comic book over dramatizes everything and it's set in the future, but I think that people right now are being very blase about the fact that humans will feel threatened. Their meaning and purpose will come under assault, and they will react violently to that. If you guys have ever seen the movie in Contact, I was gonna say encounter Contact with Jody Foster and Matthew McConaughey, by the way. God, he's been around forever in that movie. Spoiler alert. But it is very old. They're building this thing to try to communicate with aliens and somebody of course, blows it up because that kind of thing just. It offends some religious center in our brain. And so people can expect more and more violence related to AI as more job losses happen. I've got a deep dive coming out about this. I think next week or the week after. So talking about this very phenomenon. So when people begin to see, okay, wait, the job market, like I'm even willing, I don't believe this is actually going to happen. But even if you say that AI is going to create more jobs than it eliminates, you have to understand that the jobs will be different than they are now. And what I think is going to happen is you're going to find that we go into a barbell shape of some people will go into what I'm calling the productive class and other people will go into the unproductive or charity class. And the people in the unproductive or charity class will rebel and not Gently. So that is going to be this something that we're going to have to look out for. So you always run into with any technological revolution. It's so transformative. You always lose. We've seen this over and over and over. You effectively lose one to two generations that they can't retrain, they can't get on the new ladder. So now I think it'll play out a little bit differently. It will more be like there'll be a bifurcation of people that, that want to embrace the technology, get good, and they will remain viable economically for the longest. And then people that just check out of the system and some will check out fast and they will be prone to anger, resentment and violence and some will just check out because they'll essentially get forced out of the system. Now, like anything, the vast majority of people will not be violent. But nonetheless, I have a feeling there will be enough violent people to cause a very big problem. And if we're seeing this kind of thing where somebody's shooting indiscriminately 13 times into someone's house because they don't want a data center, it's going to get quite ugly.
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Tom Bilyeu
We shall see. There's been growing sentiment on both sides of the aisle.
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Drew
This is wild.
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Tom Bilyeu
Which I never thought in the history of politics. Alex Jones and Ro Khan will be on the same page about something. But this is both of them talking about how they are actually rooting for Trump to be impeached and invoking the 25th Amendment.
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Drew
I am officially in the Twilight zone right now and I'm sitting there watching Trump wreck Mazda, wreck the Republicans, wreck the world economy, they wreck the planet physically. And I'm just looking over at the Democrats smiling and giggling and everything else when they did nothing in Congress to block the playing with fire, gambling again. There should be a coalition of Republicans with Democrats and they should vote in all the war powers and say, you don't have it. They should cut. That is pretty funny that he's looking at the Democrats.
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Tom Bilyeu
Yeah. And Kyle Kalinsky is retweeting this and people know he's a staunch left wing reporter. So the fact that he's even retweeting Alex Jones is like crazy.
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Drew
Yes. Kyle Kalan. Kalinsky.
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Tom Bilyeu
Kalinsky, yeah.
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Drew
He, he is not a voice of reason. I will just say that. So I still them being on the same boat gives me pause. Even though I think that certainly anybody that is wildly concerned with Trump's actions, I get it. But I don't think those two have somehow found sanity together. Now I'm like, well, wait a second. Should I be tense that these two are on the same team?
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Tom Bilyeu
Enemy, my enemy.
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Drew
Right. Well, but they're, they're people that don't parse the world. Well, like, I get how many things that Alex Jones has been right about, but the way that he parses the world is everything is a lie. Nothing is as it seems like. So you're going to hit on some of the stuff that's really true and it's quite spectacular to see him do it. But it, that's not a way to parse the world like you just being perpetually paranoid is, is going to be destructive in its own way. Kyle just seems like a complete unhinged operative for the Democratic Party. So it's like he filters everything through the lens of does this help my team win? He's a propagandist. That's the right way to say it.
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Tom Bilyeu
And then Ro Khanna, friend of the show, also put out a video about the 25th Amendment in Trump.
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Drew
Congress and Senator must be calling for Trump's removal today based on the 25th Amendment. He's threatening the entire destruction of a civilization. He is calling Iranians animals. He is showing a total disregard for the humanity of people in Iran and Gaza, in Cuba. This is a moral crime. It is a war crime. We need to be demanding that Congress condemned today and we need to be invoking the 25th Amendment.
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Tom Bilyeu
So there have been growing concerns. I think it's 80 people in the House now, all Democrats, of course, who are now starting to put those articles of impeachment together. Midterms right around the corner. Do you think that this is something that can pick up steam?
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Drew
It's certainly something that can pick up steam if this ends up being an unmitigated disaster when the negotiated settlement comes to pass or that falls apart. And then he here, if, let's say that the negotiated settlement falls apart and we go back to it's now bridge and energy infrastructure day, people hold hands around it. He drops a bomb and kills, you know, whatever, 3,000 people. Holy. All bets will be off. Homeboy will get hounded immediately. That's one where I'm like, I would expect people to flip. Like, that's wild. And it's one of those where is people holding hands around the energy facilities? Is it a war crime? Yes. Now I don't think that will matter, quite frankly. And I think that he, his popularity is hanging on by a very thin thread. What little popularity has left, I should say, because you are not going to be able to sell that this was a justified war if you start dropping bombs that kill civilians, no matter how intentionally they try to block you. So if that were the outcome. Holy Jesus. You want to talk about escalatory inside America, People would lose their minds. So, yes, now could it. Without that kind of escalation, if he loses the midterms, are they going to impeach him? Yes. So this. This is existential for Trump. If he is not able to make things better economically for people by the midterms stunts, game over. So there are. The only thing that remains, like, a slight question mark in my mind is that there's only, like, a small handful of seats that are coming up, so the races will be somewhat tight. So it's not a slam dunk that you won't be able get, like, really partisan votes. But I think anybody independent is just gonna, as of right now, today, there's no way they're not gonna be like, yeah, more so. I think he's, again, knowing that there's still this really thin possibility that he can pull something good out economically and people actually feel it. But, man, that window is just so narrow.
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Tom Bilyeu
I'm not trying to get into Trump's head. Cause that's probably a dark place to be in, but. But I don't understand how he didn't see this coming in the sense that I need people to feel it in their pocketbook. I need people to get super excited for me. He gave the $2,000 stimmy check, and that got him a whole second term. Like, people were like, oh, he's the guy that gives money. Let's get. Bring him back in. You know, like, he seen the fruits of his labor in the past before. This is not his first time being president. This is not his first hoorah. So it seems like this war, it seemed like a gambler that didn't pay off. And I think there were other levers that he could have done. At least get him through November and then go into war. Cause then you can't do anything. Eff it. I got two more years. You know what I mean? But I just feel like he played his hand a bit too, too fast, too heavy, too quickly, and it's like walking into Vegas and putting your whole nest egg on, you know, black.
- [71:59]
Drew
Yes.
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Tom Bilyeu
And then now you're just holding your breath until it hits kind of thing.
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Drew
Yes. But this is why I think people are mismapping Trump. Everybody thinks that Trump was playing to like, oh, I just want to get on the other side of the midterms, and everything's going to be okay. Okay. Once you understand, Trump's entire goal is to literally be carved onto Mount Rushmore. Okay? He wants to be the most consequential president ever of all time. This is not somebody who's playing for anything less than that. So he's going, I've only got four years. I've got to get in there. I've got to make massive change. I did this once. Plus you gave me four years to plan for it. I know exactly what we need to do to actually move the pieces around the chessboard. He has. Whether he's right or wrong is irrelevant. He has a very clear vision of where the world is going, and he is trying to make sure that America is positioned well to win in that new world. And this involves blocking China, carving out our sphere of influence, making sure that we get the GCC dollars, understanding that he has to spend like an absolute drunken sailor to continue to get the votes. He is definitely not going to balance the budget. But that means that he's got to grow. I think he actually does understand the economy well enough to know he's got that shot to grow his way out of this. And so the what he's realizing is to grow my way out of this, I have to put everything all on black, and I have to do it very early in my time in office so that I actually have time to see this stuff through so I can actually get carved onto the Mount Rushmore. When you start mapping him like that, you'd be like, oh, this all makes sense. Sense. When you think that he's playing the traditional game that a politician is playing to get reelected, to be popular, then he is just going to be super, super, super confusing. But this is a guy that really believes the things that he's pursuing and pursues him with everything he has because he believes that he can actually pull it off. And you really don't get people like this very often. Probably a very good thing, but nonetheless, when you do get them, boy, oh, boy, they are agents of change. I'm not saying change for the better or worse. I'm just saying they are agents of change. Change. They are going to make things different because they really believe that they can, like, cram their will through. So, yeah, don't be confused about what Trump is actually doing.
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Tom Bilyeu
Do you think he pulls it off?
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Drew
No, no. And I mean, listen, I want things to go well for America, so let me be abundantly clear. I hope that we kill exactly zero more people in Iran. I Hope that we are able to negotiate something that is tremendous for America. And at the same time, America does need to maintain its dollar supremacy. That has to die slowly. If that dies fast, that is bad for every single American in ways that people are not being honest with themselves about. They have not studied history, they don't know what that looks like. It is not a fun time for anybody. Remember, the revolutionaries end up getting killed too. So just. Boy, oh boy. Keep in mind, do you want, like, let's say that you hate everything about Trump. Let's say that you're all the way on the left, left. Would you like your beheading to come from the dictator that you usher in? That's what happened in Iran. That's what happened in Russia. Oh man, I, I wish I'd pulled this clip, but I did not think this would be relevant. Uh, but there, this is like back in the 70s, maybe, maybe the 60s, they had this former KGB agent on and he was like, he's the guy, I don't know if he coined the term, but he was certainly the one that popularized this idea of useful idiots. And he was like, oh, no, no, no. The useful idiots, they're going to usher in somebody like a Lenin or a Stalin or a Mao, but those people end up getting shot right away. The only reason that they are useful is that they destabilize the country and then these absolute tyrants come to power. Kill all of those people because they feel betrayed, by the way, because they think we're all going to be taken care of. No, you're not. That's not how this game works, works. And so they all end up getting killed. And Iran has same thing. Leftists all thought, yay, we finally got Khomeini in power and then he killed all of them. And so that's just how this game goes. Or you could take the French version where the French revolutionaries started killing the very people that started the French Revolution. So the guillotine eventually comes for us all. Boys and girls, do not fuck around. These are not fun times. You do not want this to happen. Quick, quickly. So all that to say, I really hope America comes out of this very well. I really hope that we get those petrodollars stabilized. I really hope that we get the GCC investments into the U.S. all of that would be incredible. And that as we as a world rewrite all of these rules, that I hope that it's done well. Do I think that we are on that path right now? No, right now I think we are de. Differentiated pluripotent cells that could go in any direction. We could find a path to victory, or we could just be driving off a cliff into absolute chaos.
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Tom Bilyeu
We have some breaking news from tkl. Hasn't been verified. We just are reading the tweet and is per an Iranian news agency. So it could be propaganda, but allegedly the passage of oil tankers through the Strait of Hormuz has been stopped. Iran says it will withdraw from the ceasefire if Israel continues attacks on Lebanon and it is preparing potential responses. So last night it was reported via CNN that the ceasefire was between Israel and Iran. Iran sent some missiles allegedly to Tel Aviv, like you said. We don't know if that was.
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Drew
Iran also bombed the uae, Qatar, Bahrain.
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Tom Bilyeu
The timing was speculative, so nobody knew what was happening. Israel bombed Lebanon this morning and now we're here. So again, it could be a one day ceasefire and hopefully this stoppage is just temporary.
- [77:38]
Drew
Maybe we didn't even get to 24 hours. So, yeah, this thing is fragile at best.
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Tom Bilyeu
Yeah.
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Drew
So clearly Iran does not want Lebanon to be seen as a separate issue. So the next time that Lebanon attacks Israel, if we can all please be honest about the fact that that is a proxy for Iran, that would be wonderful. But, yeah, not too surprising.
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Tom Bilyeu
Yeah. And another disclosure TV tweet just said, Israel says, Israel says Iran ceasefire doesn't apply to Lebanon. So now they're going back and forth about that.
- [78:12]
Drew
Yes, of course.
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Tom Bilyeu
Course there was some speculation that Israel was the wildcat. Joe Kent did a video, I didn't pull that link where he says, the ceasefire is good, but we have to make sure we keep Israel on a leash because they could blow it up. And 12 hours later, our COO asked
- [78:26]
Drew
me yesterday, like, who do you think is going to violate the ceasefire? I was like, israel? What do you mean? So now, in fairness, technically, Iran violated it first. However, I would say that if these reports are true, then Israel has violated it with the largest time gap. So there's no ability to go, oh, oh, sorry, wait, did that start?
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Tom Bilyeu
Oh, 8pm this time.
- [78:52]
Drew
My bad, my bad, my bad, sorry, sorry. So, yeah, I don't think that that's super surprising from. Look, I never know if you can believe the things that are being passed around, but there was a lot of talk right away that Netanyahu was very upset about the terms that were being considered for the ceasefire. So it's one of those again. What, what do we map Netanyahu against? If we map Netanyahu against a Greater Israel project and he's trying to gobble up as much territory as he can. Of course he's going to keep going and say, wait, wait, wait, what, what does Lebanon have to do with Iran? You guys said that these aren't your proxies. What are you talking about? Like, we've got beef with Iran. They were launching rockets at us. We didn't say about Iran we. Or sorry about Hezbollah and Lebanon. We just said we were good about not attacking you. We haven't attacked you. So what's the problem? Even when you launch rockets at us after we didn't retaliate. So, yeah, we're going to keep doing this. Or is Israel actually just trying to stabilize things, make everything chill? And it's like if they're just trying to stabilize things, it gets a little more question marky. So it's like, as of right now, I would say low fidelity because I haven't gone in to look a lot about the Lebanon conflict in terms of what's happened right now. But I would say you're probably better off mapping into somebody who's trying to be territorially acquisitive than you are. Somebody who's like, I just want peace. So when people talk, in this case militarily, they cannot help but reveal themselves.
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Tom Bilyeu
Yeah. So so far, 1 million people displaced and I think 500 to 600,000 have been injured in some type of way, shape or form. Not getting their houses back. Can't come back. Like exiled.
- [80:37]
Drew
That's what they've said. Forever. Forever. No more for you. Are they trying to turn it into a dmz?
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Tom Bilyeu
I feel like they're trying to regaza it. Like it's going to be some type of. Yeah, you could stay. Like, nobody should be here, so evacuate the million. You guys got to get out. But then there was South Love and I was like, this area is never getting repopulated again.
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Drew
So there's the absolutely nobody.
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Tom Bilyeu
Yeah.
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Drew
And then the like.
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Tom Bilyeu
Yeah, you guys just move up there a little bit and then up there a little bit and then up there a little bit and then just cross the ocean up there. Europe loves you guys. Just go over there.
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Drew
Yeah.
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Tom Bilyeu
And then.
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Drew
Man, this is so very, very enjoyable conversation with Dave Smith, who, though there are many things that I disagree with Dave on, I'm very glad that he exists in the landscape. I watch a lot of his stuff. I think he's a sincere person who thinks through his positions very thoroughly. And on that I. The hard part when it comes to Israel is what do people want to happen? Exactly. Like, if so think through the different Options don't just go, well, this is the mythical outcome that I would like. Cool. I love that. It's good. Put that on the table. So everybody wants peace, Israel chills, 67 borders, whatever. We all just go, yeah, okay, everybody calm the down, down now. Okay, let's say they do that. No blockades, do whatever they want. What happens if, in this case, let's just stick with Hezbollah. If Hezbollah attacks from Iran again, what would you guys. They backed off, they let go. No blockades, no nothing. Lebanon's its own country. You guys do whatever you're going to do. We're not. These are our borders. That's all we're doing. And then they attack again. At some point, point it's got to be unleashed. And whatever they can do, they do. Now, we may say, we're not going to support you in any way, shape or form, not financially, whatever. You guys are on your own, too. But do whatever the you want. Because at some point, if somebody were attacking the U.S. i'm like, yeah, we're not doing this. And so I'm going to completely remove your ability to wage war.
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Tom Bilyeu
And.
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Drew
And that's where I'm always like, I don't. I get what the, like, desire is, but, like, can we not agree if somebody were attacking our country that we would go full on. Like, I'm not asking people to say October 7th is. I can't imagine. And why would. Yeah, cool. That was their attack. Yeah, great. Murder, rape, whatever. If you want to say, that's fine. I'm not even going to argue that point. I'm just going to say, now motherfuckers are fighting, fighting. And at some point they've got to have some way to say, I'm not going to keep doing this. I'm not going to keep letting people, like, attack and make my citizens unsafe. So that's where I'm like, follow that through, Follow that through. I want to see what people's arguments are. If they're like, we need an international coalition to come in and make a dmz, it just can't be Israel. Oh, cool, I'm open to that. So who's going to come in and run it? But, like, let's actually have a plan for what we do on the day where we take Israel takes their boot off the neck. And then we go, all right, now what happens if they just build forward? And it's like, see, Israel is just a bunch of assholes. These guys were ready to be peaceful the whole time. Boot on your neck. That's the fucking knock on effect that you get word now we know. But if they attack, how do people want to see that play out? And I think we need that plan.
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Tom Bilyeu
You gave me the best perspective on this. I think you gave me the cake and Professor Jiang gave me the icing of it where if you look at Israel the same way that you look at America 250 years ago, everything they're doing makes complete sense. And I think they're going to kill as much as they can. They're going to take as much land as they can. The people that they make docile, they're going to give them casinos and a bunch of alcohol and hopefully keep them on reservations and they'll be fine and they'll just keep expanding, expanding, expanding. And people are like, well, Israel's a small nation, how can that do? And that's where Professor Jang gave me the icing. Because Israel is the only western nation, the only one that has a positive birth rate. So if you look at this in a two generation time frame, they just keep expanding, expanding, expanding. Let's say every generation they get another extra hundred miles. Before you know it, they'll have three times as many people that we have outputted. They now have. So now they're in line with Iran, they're now in line with a smaller European country. And then that just keeps expanding, keeps growing, keeps growing. So I understand what they're doing. I'm not, not Pollyanna in it. Like Israel shall hold hands with Hezbollah and they should like come to the table and work their differences out. But I am going to call a spade a spade. They're doing, they're pulling the American playbook. They're going to genocide everybody in that region until they get the river and the sea.
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Drew
I think technically they're going to ethnically cleanse them. Sorry, ethnically, America's Americans did genocide everywhere that. Well, technically we genocided the Native Americans and we ethnically cleansed the Mexicans. So America, we a little bit. We did it all, Drew. We did it all. So yeah, that I think if you just go, oh, the banality of evil. Got it. Like they're running a playbook that's super common all throughout history. And so now people have to decide what they want to do. My thing is people have to be intellectually honest. So if you've got beef with Israel coming into the Palestinian area the way that they did and taking that over and when you research it, it really is hideous. It is. We rolled up on your shores. We were like a really small Minority for God knows how long. And we started importing, importing, importing, importing, importing. We became politically potent. Importing, importing, importing, importing. Economically important. And then it was just like, now you bitches gotta go. And that's what's happening right now in Europe for the Muslims. And so if you're like, oh, I really don't like that Israel did it. And I don't like it when the Muslims are doing it. Yeah, of course. Cool like that. Super consistent.
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Tom Bilyeu
Muslims have a better cover story because they're refugees.
- [86:28]
Drew
Sure. But that was the same. Literally, the same playbook that the Jews ran was like, we're refugees, bro. We just got, like, mass slaughtered. Like, proper genocide. Like, knock, knock, let us in.
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Tom Bilyeu
And little Pakistan is in Europe in London right now. Like, hey, guys, Iraq war, 20 years. You guys take my house. Sorry. And. And we shall see. It's going to be a very interesting landscape of the Middle east and Europe in 100 years. I will say that it's going to look radically different.
- [86:59]
Drew
What are you willing to fight for?
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Tom Bilyeu
All right, we got some pop culture quick hits. I know. We got super chats on the back end. I'm coming for you guys. I'm also saying this so that way, Ryan knows how to clip it. That's our guy. First up, Wireless festival has officially been canceled after the British government banned Kanye west from entering the United Kingdom. Kira Starmer said Kanye should never have been invited to headline wireless. The government stands firmly with the Jewish community, and we will not stop in our fight to confront and defeat the poison of anti Semitism. We will always take the actions necessary to protect the public and uphold our values. They literally blocked his visa. He cannot enter the country.
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Drew
Yes, well, the best part is what you've got here. So the UK blocked Kanye west because of things that he said about the Jewish community. And to be honest, I'm down for any country saying, I don't want any person to come into our country. You get to decide. They are your borders and you keep out whoever you want. Totally get that. It is pretty wild when the same guy invites a former ISIS leader. A former ISIS terrorist, if we're really just going to say it. Invited him to 10 Downing Street. Now, I'm going to guess he's going to say because he was either an interim world leader. I forget, was he with Syria? So. But interim are permanent.
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Tom Bilyeu
He is currently. I don't know where they at. Got it.
- [88:16]
Drew
Okay. So leader of Syria. So, hey, all is forgiven. He's here at 10 Downing shaking the king's hand, shaking the prime minister's hand. So it's just the sort of naked hypocrisy of it all is a little bit too hilarious for me, but whatever. If they want to keep Kanye out, then they should just say, we don't like the things you said, and we're keeping you out, and that's that. Yep, we're letting him in because that's just. Just how we get down now. I would love to see them explain it and see if there's actually enough rationale there, but that's just a guy that wants to see. I want to understand how they think through the problem. And if it's like, we can get something out of this guy. So having good relations with Syria helps us somewhere, but having good relationships with Kanye, that doesn't help us at all. And so I'm cool, utilitarian. I get it. I get it. That's how the world is, man. You partner with the people that can be high utility for the goals that you are pursuing. And if the goals you're pursuing are honorable, great. I've got no beef with that. But if you're. Either your goals are not honorable or you're just full of shit, either one of those things is lame to say the least. But I'm a big believer in borders, so if they want to tell Kanye to fuck off, that's their right.
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Tom Bilyeu
I condemn anti Semitism, but this next post was very, very funny. Yay. Jews run the music industry.
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Drew
I condemn it. I would just like to propagate a smidge.
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Tom Bilyeu
Kanye, Jews run the music industry. Music event canceled for booking a UK Board of Jews. We hope that lessons are learned across the industry. Stereotypes exist.
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Drew
Did they actually say that? They actually said that.
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Tom Bilyeu
The Board of Deputies of British Jews released a statement.
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Drew
That's amazing. But across the industry, that they don't have any influence over. That's amazing.
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Tom Bilyeu
It's hilarious.
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Drew
That's amazing. I really wish that Jews would just be like, listen, we're fucking good at the game. Okay? Okay. Y' all bitches want to complain, go fucking complain. But the reality is, we run this bitch. Like, cool. Yes. You guys have a strategy. I want to learn it. I want to learn that strategy, because if I want to deploy it, I want to know that I have that same power. But, like, honestly, honestly, I really think Thomas Soul is right. If Jews want to stop being hated, all they have to do is fail. These guys are just too good. There is a thing in their culture. Obviously, Jews are not a monolith White people are not a monolith. Black people are not a monolith. But nonetheless, if you've got a culture that's like, hey, we help each other.
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Tom Bilyeu
Cool.
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Drew
Advantageous. Very advantageous. So we're gonna do that core anchor around religion. Advantageous, Very advantageous. Allows us to not know each other, but to be able to come around it. And if you guys just. Your women ran a better breeding experiment, this is gonna get clear. Clip. Fuck, yeah. It's true. Women are the sexual gatekeepers. And if they actually made Ashkenazi Jews more intelligent, God bless them, for whatever reason, white women did not roll in the same way. But we all suffer the consequences. But it's like, you put it all together, it's effective.
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Tom Bilyeu
That's why I got impeached as a CEO of the black community.
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Drew
How so?
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Tom Bilyeu
Because I said black people don't have any power. Because if we had power, we would revolt and collectively organize in the way that the Jewish community does. And then it was just, like, interesting.
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Drew
You don't aim your power in the same way, but by way of where the community hits. You guys hit in entertainment so hard.
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Tom Bilyeu
But that's the thing. It's. It's a. It's a commodity. It's a sellable. It's something that's so bought and sold where I think it's not owned. So I think we need to go into ownership classes in order to control it. That's it.
- [91:43]
Drew
Ooh. True.
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Tom Bilyeu
Black people create the way. We just sell it for cheap.
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Drew
Damn.
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Tom Bilyeu
So.
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Drew
So. But hold on. I know probably for show reasons, we should move on. But now I'm intrigued how. Okay, so take Wall street trapper. Wall Street Trapper banging the drum. You guys need to own assets for that reason. I will revere him forever.
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Tom Bilyeu
Yeah.
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Drew
Is that the message? Like, hey, yes, Age of Internet. Don't. Don't partner with the industry. Do it yourself. If you're an entertainer or only partner with other black creators. Like, what is that?
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Tom Bilyeu
Been saying that for 30 years.
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Drew
Black creators.
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Tom Bilyeu
Or own your own your. Like, we're still doing to. Like, labels are dead. Why are you still going to Labels control the vibe that. It was like a lyric. But I would take it back to how you set it up with the Jews. If you see another Jew, you help another Jew, full stop. So you could be a Israel Jew, a New York Jew, a Ukrainian Jew. If you got the little. If you got the small hat, I mess with you automatically. There's no questions about it. And I think that that level.
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Drew
I hope you Guys enjoyed the final episode of the Tom Duly Show Live. It's been wonderful. We love you guys.
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Tom Bilyeu
But that level of unity is real and it is a superpower. And I have to give all the credit to the community because they do wield that power well. And I think that that organization you don't see in other culture, even with Muslim cultures, a certain part, like, what kind of Muslim are you? Like, they even have separation, then they're the next in that line, but they're not even as coherent.
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Drew
There's some infighting in Israel, but point taken.
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Tom Bilyeu
On the grander scheme of things, if I see somebody on the street, I'm automatically going to default into, how can I help? Versus who are you sizing you up? And then I feel. I was talking about this to somebody the other day. I feel like the Jews help each other out. White people, you bicker, that's your problem. You guys are in the same family, but you thicker.
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Drew
Like, interesting. I don't feel any affinity towards white people, really because I'm in a white majority country, so I don't even have to think about it. If I were in Japan, would I Sort of.
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Tom Bilyeu
So have you seen another white guy walking down it?
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Drew
Okay, so in fairness, that happened a couple times. Not the one piece shirt, but what it ends up being is, oh, you're tall and white and so you do like the black eye nod thing.
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Tom Bilyeu
Like, ah, yeah, yeah.
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Drew
So. But in. I'm such a values guy that I just do not find it interesting to be around somebody because they look like me. But if they have a similar, like, world view, then I really connect.
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Tom Bilyeu
But that's just. That's the strength of the Jewish population, is that it's like we look the same and we have that first level of thinking the same and those two things aren't together. Where every other population is like, we look the same, I mess with you. Or we think the same, I mess with you. But it's one or the other, it's not both.
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Drew
Yeah, interesting, Interesting. Drew, man, I have a very unhealthy desire to keep talking about that because it's so bad for the show, but
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Tom Bilyeu
try to move on. Okay, next quick hit, Hasan Piker, friend of the show. I don't know what happened to him yesterday. I hope this is clipped out of context.
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Drew
But he went, is there a context where you're like, crazy? Unless he's doing an imitation of somebody else, I don't know what context he puts in the.
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Tom Bilyeu
If we have any Hasan fans in the chat, please give me Clarity. Because this is a crazy clip, but let's hear it from him.
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Drew
We have endure suffering under the communist regime and we believe that. Okay, you, dude. I mean seriously, you old lady, Shut the up. Idiotic old lady. What are they bleeping?
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Tom Bilyeu
The bleeps are late.
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Drew
Okay, seriously, this South Vietnamese whatever, like the Christian supremacist psychotic refugee living in America now and, and, and able to talk that let's go back and live in South Vietnam in the same condition. I, I don't understand that final part of this. This like if she's saying, hey, living under a communist regime was brutal and he was like, oh, oh, you like it in America where you get freedom of speech. Well then off back to communist Vietnam. What? That's. Huh. Like I'm not even sure I understand the argument.
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Tom Bilyeu
I am confusion.
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Drew
So listen, homeboy goes hard in the paint. I, I would like the record to reflect he is lovely in person. Now this is psychotic. So. But yeah, I've seen enough clips like this. This is clearly a gear that he really has. So. But yeah, that one is pretty wild.
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Ryan
I'm saying clip, I think, by the way.
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Tom Bilyeu
Yeah, yeah.
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Ryan
It's not a, it's not like this
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Drew
is like years and years, years and years. We sure believe.
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Ryan
Because that I think might be his old setup copy.
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Tom Bilyeu
Okay, okay, okay. People are saying, is he like, is
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Drew
he going back on it?
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Ryan
Well, no. So what it is, is when he first started, it was like the rage era of commentary, right. And so a lot of his stuff was more inflammatory. While now he's a little more front facing politics.
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Drew
Older, more mature. Got it.
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Ryan
So that's, that's what the context of that clip is. I don't know the full like what he's talking about.
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Drew
Got it. So at this, in this time capsule, this was insane. He's not in this time era anymore. I've seen some stuff like this from him in the not too distant past. But fair enough if this is old. I'm not sure why all of a sudden it popped up off, but both of us had it on our feed today.
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Ryan
So I think it's just twitch clip culture. I mean you have all those companies now that you literally pay people to go either slander or back people up.
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Drew
Pay people? What? What?
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Ryan
So there's services now where they streamers will pay like very low wages to people in like other countries to go and clip their show and post it everywhere.
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Drew
Interesting.
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Ryan
And so some people pay to get it on other people, some people pay to make it of themselves. And that's why we've created it.
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Drew
People will pay just to tarnish somebody else' reputation.
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Ryan
Oh, yeah. And that's not just Hasan. That's like, everyone.
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Tom Bilyeu
So that way somebody posts a clip and then you react to it.
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Drew
Is it just so that you can
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Ryan
get the reaction, craft the narrative? Right. I mean, like, with any streamers, look at Kai Sinat with all those mafia thon streams. People would just take random stuff and post it everywhere and be like, look at what Kai's doing to our younger generation. And it's like, well, you know, people pay to do that and, like, craft a narrative.
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Drew
And for people that don't know, Ryan has a background, not in that exact thing, but he's been around doing clips for influencers for quite some time.
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Ryan
So we had to deal with it with. I'm not going to say his name, but a client I worked for basically bashed a video game and the entire community started clipping, like, five seconds of it, putting it everywhere, and suddenly we were losing subscribers and viewers. And it's like, well, that's not the whole clip. Go watch his video.
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Drew
You know, that's insane.
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Ryan
So it is. It is a culture of clipping, for sure.
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Drew
Yeah. Wild. Well, it got us. It got us, Mike. It got us. I.
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Ryan
Now, again, I don't know the context.
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Tom Bilyeu
Beard, but. So, all right, next one, we have Ben Shamiro, also probably quoted out of context. If you're a young American who can't afford to live here, then maybe you shouldn't live here.
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Drew
There's no. I need this one. Feels like there's got to be some context. It may make me hate the statement even more, but, like, there's got to be context. Like, what is he even?
- [98:53]
Tom Bilyeu
I don't see the video.
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Drew
Yeah, I couldn't find any. I was just like, in the abstract. That statement is full. So I don't know if there's something that either he's being misquoted where. Because a lot of times people put stuff in quotes when they're actually paraphrasing. And the paraphrase goes one way, but the actual quote goes another. I would need to see this in actual. And if anybody in chat can link us to the thing, by all means, please do.
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Tom Bilyeu
And Greed Island Gal said, oh, somebody's saying.
- [99:25]
Drew
He was saying, move to another state date in context. So. And honestly, in honesty, that is fair enough. Drew and I had a similar argument where I was saying, it's okay for New York to be too expensive for some people. Like, there's just a reality to be faced where there are going to be some places, they're more desirable, they're finite. And so the very thing that determines who can live there and not is price. We can talk about why humans are necessarily economic units, why we want them to be economics, why each of us should want to be an economic unit, all of that. I know it sounds terrible, terrible. But there is a very compelling argument. And then ultimately we take that and we say, oh, cool, this lets me specialize. And now I can get the things that I want. Some people will not be able to get a New York high rise or Beverly Hills or whatever. So from that standpoint. But it's still a super assholey way to say it. I would love to get some context to know if I hate it even more or if there is something to it.
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Ryan
But yes, it was talking about pessimism. So he was talking about young people's pessimism with the world. And this was also an out of date clip from like less long than the Hasan one, but it's like six months back when he was on a podcast. So he's addressing pessimism of the youth in America. And it's like, if you don't like something, move somewhere else. So again, might just be taken out of context.
- [100:43]
Tom Bilyeu
Yeah.
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Drew
A little less crazy when you hear it like that.
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Tom Bilyeu
Last but not least, it seems TikTok Tik Tocker Kabi Lane also attended the Hakami School of Divorce Strategy. That is for the European footballer. For those who don't know that story, the guy recently sold his image rights in a massive deal reportedly worth 975 million.
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Drew
First of all, that can't be true.
- [101:02]
Tom Bilyeu
What?
- [101:03]
Drew
That just can't be true.
- [101:04]
Tom Bilyeu
The image deal?
- [101:05]
Drew
Yeah, it's got to be something like, we'll pay you royalties. And if you got this many views, it would equal the. There's just no way this guy just made 975 million in cash. Just for the record.
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Tom Bilyeu
But anyway, anyway, then just a few months later, his wife, Wendy Thimble Jewel filed for divorce, citing unexpected and irreconcilable incompatibility of character. Basically a personality clash. When the court started digging into Kabi's wealth for the settlement, they discovered that all his assets were registered under his father's name. So the focus shifted to his ex wife's wealth. And now Kabi reportedly stands to receive 10 million from her. I am now seeing this community note, but it was fun when we lasted.
- [101:41]
Drew
So we're, we're o for three here.
- [101:43]
Tom Bilyeu
What, what's the community Notice this was his wife. The split was a traditional Muslim ceremony only. So no civil marriage or court asset split per his manager.
- [101:54]
Drew
Got it. So she wouldn't have been able to get anything. This is a pure viral hoax. That's interesting. Yeah. This kind of thing, I have to admit, just looking at the photo, if I didn't know who that was, I'd be like, oh, is he wealthy? Because dude, sexual market value is a real thing and copy's not a. He's not. Not handsome, but he's not like her
- [102:16]
Tom Bilyeu
level of enough to get to that.
- [102:17]
Drew
Like that she's stunning. She's so. Yeah, that one feels a little mismatchy.
- [102:24]
Tom Bilyeu
There is a growing level of the amount of people who are getting divorced and then realizing that their assets are under parents names, wife's name, mother, like mother.
- [102:32]
Drew
I wonder how long that's going to work because courts are eventually going to cotton onto that and be like, like, you can't do that just to hide your assets. Plus there's. There's like tax liability with that stuff. I wonder how much of that is true. I'm so curious to know how these guys, like, are they making a trust and putting it in their mom's name and so that I could see. And if you really trust your mom, then fair enough. But man, that's rough that you feel like you've got to hide from your significant other like that. I. That's really a sad comment. Commentary.
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Tom Bilyeu
Yeah, well, the game's different. It's not. As a marriage is declining and people can't afford things and you know all that stuff.
- [103:09]
Drew
But at least you're in World War Three.
- [103:10]
Tom Bilyeu
Yeah.
- [103:11]
Drew
So you gotta take the good with the bad.
- [103:13]
Tom Bilyeu
Glass half full.
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Drew
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