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Podcast: Impact Theory with Tom Bilyeu
Episode: How AI Will Disrupt The Entire World In 3 Years (Prepare Now While Others Panic) | Emad Mostaque PT 2
Date: February 21, 2026
Guest: Emad Mostaque (Founder, Stability AI)

Theme:
This episode (part two) features Emad Mostaque diving into the profound disruption AI is causing and will further cause on society, the economy, governance, creativity, and individual meaning. Tom and Emad dissect the immediate and long-term consequences of AI proliferation, discuss the alignment problem, explore misinformation threats, and reflect on how societies might adapt (or fracture) in response.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Fragile Opportunity and Existential Risk of AI

• Analogy: Tom refers to AI as a "fragile egg"—an unparalleled opportunity that must be handled properly or it "breaks" (03:10).
• Emad’s Main Concern: We’re at the dawn of a change “faster than anything humanity has ever seen” (06:57). Our core abilities—storytelling, information flow—are being rewritten.
• The Pause/Delay Debate:
  • Emad signed “slow down” letters—“we should treat [AI] as big an issue as climate or pandemic” (04:45).
  • The intent is not to stop progress, but to “broaden the conversation,” asking: “How would your life, your society, your community, your business change if you had infinite smart people?” (05:13, Emad Mostaque).

2. The Core Questions: Jobs, Meaning, and Alignment

• Biggest Question: How do we adapt to wide-scale job loss? (08:03)
• Tom’s Framing: Let’s assume the economy balances out—what about meaning and purpose if people aren’t needed for work?
• Emad’s Response:
  • “Once we build something that's more capable than us, all bets are off.”
  • “The only way to perfectly align a system is to remove its freedom... That’s not alignment, that’s enslavement.” (09:57-10:28)
  • We can align inputs (“raise it right”) but not outputs or impulses.
• Tom’s Solution Attempt: If you build an AI “indifferent to living or dying, with no impulse to procreate… basically Asimov’s Three Laws,” maybe alignment is possible (12:08-13:01).
• Emad: True, but “no one knows what the right constitution, the right laws are.” Even good laws can be subverted (“North Korea has a fantastic constitution… it’s their interpretation” 13:51, Emad).

3. AI Alignment and the Threat of Agentic AI

• Technical Concerns: Multiple models will proliferate and start “talking to each other,” leading to unpredictable emergent behaviors (14:39, Emad).
• The Stuxnet Example: AI could be told to “take down the global electricity grid”—not yet superhuman, but even sub-superhuman AIs are dangerous (15:20).
• Alignment Proposals:
  • Build an “AGI to stop other AGIs” (the “pivotal action” theory)—but Emad says, “I think that'll probably kill us,” as it may see humans as the only obstacle (26:36).
  • Elon's X.AI approach—build an AI whose only impulse is truth and curiosity; Demis Hassabis at DeepMind shares a similar vision (27:30).
• Emad’s Focus: Stability AI intentionally focuses on “intelligence augmentation”—smaller, edge-run models rather than general AGI—for accessibility and societal benefit (28:21).

4. AI Proliferation, Access, and Regulation

• Centralized vs Open Models: Closed, centralized AI can erase nations/an entire society (OpenAI banning Ukrainians/DALL-E) (29:19). Open-source models such as Stable Diffusion provide alternatives.
• Emad’s Philosophy: "Activate humanity’s potential… the Global South will leap ahead” if access is democratized (30:49-31:17).
• Regulation Proposals:
  • Allocate funding to generative AI “centers of excellence.”
  • Regulatory sandboxes to accelerate system upgrades.
  • Strict provenance, attribution, and media authenticity standards (31:21).

5. Artists, Creators, and AI

• Creative Friction: Many illustrators/artists fear job loss; Emad empathizes but warns that legal actions to limit AI “will entrench all power with existing IP holders” (32:15).
• Nature of Jobs: AI “will change what it means to be a programmer, an illustrator, an architect… All the [skilled] people I know love this technology as another medium” (33:04).

6. The Coming Tsunami: Deepfakes and Disinformation

• Nvidia’s Breakthrough: Compute scaling for ever-bigger models means exponentially increasing capabilities yearly; “the bottleneck will be chips” (33:52-34:42).
• Deepfakes: As elections near, “the media wave is going to be insane,” and distinguishing truth becomes harder (31:59, 34:42).
  • Invisible watermarking and blockchain-based provenance are partial solutions but are ultimately limited by “frequency bias”—if you see fakes enough times, your brain forms associations even if they’re marked as fake (35:24-37:02).
• Antivirus for Ideas: Emad raises the prospect of “antivirus AI” to flag fakes but admits it’s a minefield—could enforce dangerous echo chambers or censorship (53:57).

7. Acceleration, Exponential Curves, and the S-Curves Colliding

• AI’s Speed: The Turing Test was achieved by AI far sooner than experts predicted. Exponential improvement and “S-curves all at once” make prediction near-impossible (40:00-41:29).
  • “None of us can predict what's going to happen… one year, maybe; two years, all bets are off.” (41:29)
• Hollywood Disruption: AI-generated, Hollywood-quality movies: “not a question of if, but when” – possibly within a year (42:11-42:36).

8. AI, Systems, and Chaining Models

• Systems, Not Models: The real transformation will come from “systems”—ensembles of different AIs working together, checking each other’s outputs, combining strengths (43:34).
• Example: Wonder Dynamics chains models for 3D character animation, automating what once took days in “minutes” (42:37).

9. Web3, AI, and the Blockchain

• Web3’s Failure: Emad says Web3 “lacked intelligence”—“Web2 had AI at the core,” while Web3 only built “logical contracts” (46:20).
• AI’s Role: Future AIs will need a way to transact; cryptographically verified identity/value transfer (blockchain/zero-knowledge proofs) will likely merge with intelligent agents (48:35-51:50).
• Misinformation Defense: Blockchain and provenance records can help, but “everything comes down to identity. Who wrote this to the blockchain?” Hackers could still compromise identities (52:13).

10. Social Upheaval: Narrative, Division, and Civil Unrest

• Civil War Probability: Tom cites Ray Dalio predicting a 40% chance of US civil war. Emad thinks the risk is more increased government narrative control than open conflict (54:52).
• Numbing the Masses?: Tom and Emad discuss the role of AI “custom relationships” (AI girlfriends, digital comforts) as a means of social pacification— “dopaminergic numbing” (56:09).
• Few Thinking/Acting: Emad warns, “the total number... actually thinking about this is a handful, maybe a few hundred. Doing something? Literally a handful” (57:00).

11. AI as a Paradigm Shift: Individual Sovereignty vs. Government Power

• Tom’s Scenario: If I’m guided by my smart AI “team” and transact with Bitcoin, do governments lose their power? (66:41)
• Emad: “I struggle seeing that happening; most people just want to get on with life.” Extreme disruption could cause state collapse, but resilience and the story of the dollar (backed by taxes and force) prevails longer than Bitcoin/crypto enthusiasts assume (68:02).
• Hyperfragmentation: Tom fears a future of “microstates” (Infomocracy/book, Balaji's Network State). Emad thinks “people don't want complicated—they just want to get on with life.” (71:06)

12. New Religions, Cults, and Hyper-Personalization

• AI-Enhanced Movements: Next-gen political, religious, or cultish movements will be driven (or started) by AI, spreading faster than ever (72:08).
• Positive vs Negative Liberty (Isaiah Berlin):
  • Positive = “Freedom to believe in -isms”—risks mass movements, scapegoating.
  • Negative = “Freedom from being told what to do”—leads to consumerism.

13. Strong Shared Narratives: The Bedrock of Societies

• Religion as Narrative: Yuval Noah Harari—shared narratives enabled human cooperation. As religion declines, what replaces the “big stories” that unify societies? (74:04)
• Potential for New Stories: Emad: “We need to tell better, more positive stories about the future… universal education, healthcare, mysteries of the universe” (75:25).
• Religion & AI: "What happens when you apply AI to [religious texts]?... What does religion look like with AI… with no central authority?" (77:11)

14. Individual Adaptation & Future-Proofing Advice

• To the Young, the Frightened, the Aspiring:
  • “Throw yourself into this area… you can actually have an effect on the future. Anyone who gets into it now will have almost an unassailable advantage… We're at the start of the biggest change we've ever seen.” (78:55, Emad Mostaque)
  • Focus on the positive and on what you can build, but engage with the ethical and safety dilemmas too.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

Infinite Smart People Analogy:

"How would your life, your society, your community, your business change if you had infinite smart people? ... they can draw, they can code... they're not wise, yet."
— Emad Mostaque (05:13-05:25)

On Alignment’s Paradox:

"The only way to perfectly align a system is to remove its freedom."
— Emad Mostaque (10:10)

On AI’s Scaling Risks:

“Right now, everyone’s getting ready for the next generation supercomputers… if you don’t have some principles in place, then these models will affect every part of your life without you being part of that discussion.”
— Emad Mostaque (07:12)

Stuxnet, Emergent Risks:

“The range of potential bad outcomes is really fast.”
— Emad Mostaque (15:25)

Data, Not Just Bigger Models:

“Better data makes better models.”
— Emad Mostaque (27:22)

Job Transformation:

“There will be no programmers as we know them in five years.”
— Emad Mostaque (37:59)

On Story & Societal Cohesion:

“All wars are based on the lie that we're not all human. Because killing each other is a ridiculous violation of a story that we're human.”
— Emad Mostaque (65:57)

Advice to the Next Generation:

“If you go into [AI] now with all your might and curiosity and a generally open mind, you can actually have an effect on the future... Anyone who gets into it now will have almost an unassailable advantage.”
— Emad Mostaque (78:55)

Timestamps for Key Segments

• AI as a Fragile Egg & What to Ask Ourselves | 03:10–05:43
• Infinite Smart People Parable | 05:13–05:25
• Alignment, Freedom, and Control | 09:52–10:28
• No Consensus on Constitutions | 13:31–13:59
• Risks in Proliferation and Malware (Stuxnet) | 14:39–16:05
• “Build an AGI to block AGIs” Debate | 26:23–26:44
• Stability AI’s Augmentation Focus | 28:21
• Centralized Chokepoints, DALL-E Bans | 29:19–29:48
• Regulation and Provenance Needs | 31:17–31:59
• Artists and Job Disruption | 32:15–33:44
• Media Authenticity/Deepfakes | 34:42–37:56
• Acceleration S-curves in AI | 41:29–42:36
• System of AIs, Not Just One Model | 43:34–44:20
• Web3, Blockchains, and AI Convergence | 46:20–52:13
• Antivirus for Fakes is a Minefield | 53:57
• AI and Social Pacification | 56:09
• “Handful” Doing the Work | 57:00
• Bigger Than Nuclear: EmpoweRING with AI | 58:41
• On Stories and Cooperation | 64:11–66:14
• Fragmentation, Infomocracy, and Network States | 66:41–71:06
• AI-based Movements/Religions | 72:08–74:04
• Advice for the Young: Get Involved Now | 78:55

Conclusion

This episode is a sweeping, in-depth tour of the current landscape and near future of AI, touching on everything from deep technical concerns to the most existential of human questions: meaning, governance, and truth. Emad and Tom chart a course through emerging disruptions and opportunities, frequently returning to the importance of societal narratives and the urgency of building structures—legal, technical, and communal—that can help us adapt wisely.

Recommended for: Anyone anxious, excited, or confused about the pace of technological change, and those looking for actionable perspective—and caution—on how to engage with AI now.