Why Western Empathy Might Destroy Civilization w/ Dr Gad Saad | Impact Theory W Tom Bilyeu

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Impact Theory with Tom Bilyeu
Episode: "Why Western Empathy Might Destroy Civilization w/ Dr. Gad Saad"
Date: May 7, 2026

Main Theme:

This episode features a provocative, wide-ranging conversation between Tom Bilyeu and Dr. Gad Saad on empathy, antisemitism, group identity, immigration, and the cycles of blame and violence in Western and global society. Dr. Saad, a renowned psychologist and author, analyzes the resurgence of anti-Jewish sentiment, the psychological mechanisms behind scapegoating, and how unchecked empathy can threaten a civilization's ability to survive disruptive change.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Antisemitism, Chabad, and Conspiracy Theories

• [01:35–06:50] Saad describes how Tucker Carlson’s recent statements about Jewish influence and the Chabad movement are not only factually incorrect, but perpetuate dangerous conspiracy thinking. He shares personal stories about positive, non-political Chabad experiences:
  • "I know a lot of guys in the Chabad organization...I can assure you that in no meetings… were they discussing how to start a war with Iran to bring about their eschatological beliefs." – Gad Saad [01:49]
  • Personal reflection on being asked to perform the tefillin ritual, revealing the gentle, identity-affirming side of Jewish customs (not secretive world domination).
• [06:51–12:42] Exploration of why public figures turn to conspiratorial narratives, with Saad noting a shift in Tucker’s tone and conjecturing on possible motivations (financial, ideological).

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2. Resurgence and Psychology of Antisemitism

• [07:45–17:00] Saad notes a dramatic uptick in antisemitism since October 7th and critiques Western social media for amplifying hate behind anonymity:
  • "It amazes me to see what people feel. That person… is maybe my dentist, my gardener...my kindergarten teacher." – Gad Saad [08:03]
• Lays out historical and psychological sources of anti-Jewish bias, referencing the "self-serving bias" where personal or societal failure is externally blamed—often on Jews as a market-dominant minority:
  • "The self-serving bias is a way by which you ascribe causality to either successes or failures in your life. Most people…ascribe successes internally and failures externally." – Gad Saad [17:26]

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3. Market-Dominant Minorities & Jewish "Success"

• [20:52–24:30] Using Amy Chua's concept, Saad explains why Jews, as a small diaspora group with historic emphasis on education and adaptability, are often scapegoated for outsized economic and cultural influence:
  • "No group is remotely as close in meeting that reality…in nearly every ecosystem…than the Jews." – Gad Saad [21:13]
  • Personal story of maternal pressure for relentless academic achievement as a driver of Jewish excellence.
  • Tom echoes this, emphasizing the combination of cultural insularity and support, with diaspora Jews excelling in business, law, and media.

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4. Islam, Judaism, and Accusations of Colonialism

• [28:15–33:37] Tom and Gad contrast how Israel and Muslim-majority countries have formed their identities and nations, arguing that using "colonizer" as a label is misleading when applied to Israel given the scale and history of Islamic expansion.
  • "If Israel is a colonizer, Islam is a super, super elite…orgiastic colonizer, like none has ever existed..." – Gad Saad [29:08]
  • Gad describes the "dhimmi" status and non-proselytizing nature of Judaism, arguing the scale and intent of Islamic vs. Jewish expansion are vastly different.

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5. Moral Framework and Western Empathy

• [36:37–39:32] Tom posits that current Western prosperity and the "woke" movement have shifted empathy into overdrive, paralyzing society from making difficult, necessary choices about immigration and group interests:
  • "We've just never encountered the price we have to pay for people that are parasitizing a government. And so it's just run wild…" – Tom Bilyeu [36:43]

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6. The Scale Problem and Statistical Realities

• [37:14–44:30] Saad uses analogies of sports and animal classification to argue against moral equivalency between small Jewish and large Muslim populations:
  • "Badminton is a sport. Boxing is a sport…One of them is much more likely than the other to cause brain damage… That's called a categorization error." – Gad Saad [37:14]
• On terrorism and violence, Gad cites databases and demographic facts to highlight the quantitative difference in violence emanating from radical Islam versus radical Judaism.
  • "There are 15 million Jews. There are 2 billion Muslims… It's about 125 to 1." – Gad Saad [37:14]

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7. Conspiracy, Achievement, and Resentment

• [46:21–54:28] Tom and Gad discuss how Jewish excellence and political impact, especially in America, engenders suspicion and resentment. Tom encourages a shift in public conversation toward dissecting strategies rather than scapegoating:
  • "To me, it just seems like people are mad that you've got a group that's unbelievably good at it." – Tom Bilyeu [48:04]
• Referencing Thomas Sowell, Gad delivers the keynote quote:
  • "Somebody was asking Professor Sowell what must happen so that the Jews are no longer hated...His answer was...‘Fail.’” – Gad Saad [51:36]

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8. Lessons from History and the Problem of Western Guilt

• [55:43–67:13] The conversation turns to how countries are formed (“dodgy fashion” of America, Australia, Israel), and the modern West’s discomfort with its own past, leading some to over-correct through universal empathy without consideration of threats or assimilation.
• Saad's forthcoming book "Suicidal Empathy" is cited, with his thesis hinging on the dangers of unchecked empathy and the virtue of finding a balanced, reality-based approach:
  • "Empathy is a perfectly noble and evolutionarily selected virtue. But like most things, as Aristotle explained...Life is about finding that sweet spot." – Gad Saad [57:05]

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9. Immigration and Policy: Values First

• [58:53–67:39] Tom pushes for nuanced, value-based immigration policy, focused on real assimilation rather than crude group categorizations. Gad insists that societies must assert their own values and set boundaries:
  • "When you come to my house...if you're going to be a good guest...please take off your shoes." – Gad Saad [61:24]
  • "Islam transcends races in its canonical structure…There is no place where Islam goes, becomes majority and personal liberties flourish." – Gad Saad [62:34]
  • Shared stories about family expulsions from Arab and Muslim countries to underscore the long, patterned history of religious persecution.
  • "We're not talking about people, we're talking about an ideology." – Gad Saad [67:13]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Chabad as conspiratorial villains:
  "They're an incredibly sweet, pure group of guys…And then you got Tucker saying that it's these guys who are these, you know, completely meek, you know, Jewish rabbis that are puppeteering foreign policy in the Middle East. Come on, man." – Gad Saad [06:23]

• On the psychology of scapegoating:
  "The self-serving bias: I did really well in the business because I'm a very shrewd and smart entrepreneur. I did very poorly in the business because consumers are idiots who don't recognize the brilliance of my mind." – Gad Saad [17:26]

• On why Jews repeat as scapegoats:
  "The Jews are perfectly engineered to be the existential culprits." – Gad Saad [20:10]

• On collective resentment:
  "If I were a non Jew sitting on the sideline… the smart thing to do would be to say, what can I do to emulate and even beat them at what they do…Instead, better to simply point them as being…Satan people." – Gad Saad [53:30]

• On the Thomas Sowell ‘fail’ solution:
  "What must happen so that the Jews are no longer hated?...‘Fail.’" – Gad Saad [51:36]

• On empathy gone wrong:
  "Empathy is a perfectly noble and evolutionarily selected virtue…but too little of something is not good, too much…is not good…it's the inverted-U." – Gad Saad [57:05]

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Important Timestamps

• 01:35–06:50 – Gad’s debunking of Chabad conspiracy theories
• 07:45–12:42 – Discussion of society’s drift toward antisemitism
• 17:00–24:30 – Self-serving bias, success, and group resentment
• 28:15–33:37 – Comparing colonizer accusations: Israel vs. Islam
• 36:37–39:32 – The “overdrive” of Western empathy and guilt
• 45:00–54:28 – Scale problem, terrorism stats, Thomas Sowell’s answer
• 57:05–67:39 – Empathy, assimilation, why values-based policy matters, Saad’s family stories

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Tone and Language Notes

The conversation is candid, challenging, and sometimes irreverent. Both Tom and Gad aim to avoid political correctness to foster open dialogue. Gad frequently uses humor and personal anecdotes to make controversial points more relatable, while Tom presses for pragmatic, systems-level thinking.

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For Listeners Who Haven’t Tuned In

This episode unflinchingly dissects why certain minorities are scapegoated, why conspiracy theories endure, and how Western societies might jeopardize their own stability through excessive empathy and muddled moral reasoning. The debate surfaces thorny topics: measurable differences between groups, dangerous conflations and moral equivalencies, and the urgent need for policy anchored in shared values rather than uncritical universalism.

Expect a lively, deeply analytical exchange that confronts taboo subjects head-on, eschews slogans, and demands that listeners grapple with uncomfortable realities.

Transcript

[Tom Bilyeu]

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[Gad Saad]

Well, that's cool.

[Tom Bilyeu]

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[Gad Saad]

So what's the problem?

[Tom Bilyeu]

That is the problem. Nothing in my life goes as smoothly.

[Gad Saad]

I'm waiting for the catch. Maybe there's no catch.

[Tom Bilyeu]

That's exactly what a catch would want me to think. Wow.

[Gad Saad]

You need to relax.

[Tom Bilyeu]

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[Gad Saad]

So good to be with you, Tom.

[Tom Bilyeu]

So good to actually get to share space, man. That is one of my favorite things about filming with you. So I'm very excited to be sitting across the table once again.

[Gad Saad]

Likewise. This is, I think, fourth, maybe it's gotta be. Yeah, I think it's fourth.

[Tom Bilyeu]

I think so.

[Gad Saad]

I will be offended if the answer to I'm gonna ask you next doesn't work out the way. Am I your number one good question?

[Tom Bilyeu]

You would be in like the top.

[Gad Saad]

I'm in the rare. I'm in the elite. Super elite.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Super, super elite. Very rare.

[Gad Saad]

Thank God. No doubt about that. You got to cater to my vanity, man. Hey, I have to.

[Tom Bilyeu]

I like it. Well, speaking of vanity, you. You literally had a tweet go hyper viral about Tucker Carlson.

[Gad Saad]

Yes.

[Tom Bilyeu]

So if you had to be specific about the beliefs that he holds that you find concerning, what would they be?

[Gad Saad]

I mean, he seems to have a bit of a maybe slightly nefarious focus on the Jews or in Arabic as we say, the yahud, which is Jews in Arabic. You know, I know a lot of guys in the Chabad organization and I can assure you that in no meetings that I've ever been a part of where they discussing how the start of a war with Iran will bring about their eschatological beliefs.

[Tom Bilyeu]

And so that's what he's claimed.

[Gad Saad]

I think he's claimed. So I don't want to misspeak, but I think his latest sort of, you know, weaving of A conspiracy theory is that Chabad has certain religious views.

[Tom Bilyeu]

What is Chabad?

[Gad Saad]

Chabad is a organization, a Jewish organization that is typically led by Chabad rabbis who are under the Lubov. You know, the Lubovitch. You know what that is? They're an Orthodox, Jewish, Orthodox community. Okay. Their main man was Rabbi Schneerson, who was a rabbi out of. I think he's out of Brooklyn, who passed away maybe 10, 15 years ago. Many of them believe that he is the Messiah that the Jews are looking for. Yes, some do, some don't, but. But really what they are, and that's what I tried to explain in the article that I wrote that you referred to, they really provide. I hate the expression that sounds woke, but they provide a space for Jews to reconnect with their identities. So, for example, in my case, my experience with Chabad, I was a doctoral student at Cornell at the time. I don't know what it is now, but at the time, there was a very sizable Jewish community at Cornell. We're all students looking for a hot meal. We're poor students. Certainly as a graduate student, I didn't have much money. Here is this beautiful home where you can go have Shabbat dinner. The rabbi is going to mention one or two moral stories or parables, but it's nothing hardcore religious. His wife, the rabbi that I'm speaking of at Cornell, his name was or is Rabbi Elie Silberstein. His wife was a doctoral student with me. We took psychology class together. She did her PhD in developmental psychology. And it's just a bunch of Jews hanging around and connecting with their heritage, home away from home, so to speak.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Right? So Tucker has beef with these guys.

[Gad Saad]

I don't know how. What is the genesis of the story, but. But it turns out that it's really the Chabad organization that's behind, you know, that's puppeteering the U.S. foreign policy. And so, you know, Donald Trump is saying, oh, let me call the rabbis at Chabad. They're an incredibly sweet, pure group of guys who are. And they're not. You know, in Judaism, you don't proselytize, right? I mean, here you don't have to proselytize. We're all Jewish. But they're not. You better get back to the religion. You better do this. They just want to make sure that everybody has a Jewish place where they can go and hang out, in my case. And it's something that I'm very proud to share. I don't know. Do you know what putting on The Tefillin is no. So when you have your bar mitzvah at age of 13, there is a ritual that you then do, technically forevermore, once you've become a man at 13, is you have these scrolls that you kind of wrap around your arm and you also put on your head. And then you take the tallet you put over, and there are some prayers that you do, which many of us would do it around the bar mitzvah. And then very quickly it fades away. And in my case, it had faded away till I was leaving Cornell in my late 20s. Rabbi Eli comes to me, he goes, gad, you know, you're a lovely guy. You have a pure Jewish soul. Can you make me a promise? I'm like, oh, here comes the ask. Here comes the ask for all those Shabbat dinners. He said, can you just promise me that you'll put on Tefillin every day moving forward, just as a, you know, reconnecting with your Jewish identity and so on? I said, okay, Rabbi, I'll do it. And from 1994, which is when I got my PhD, till about 2005, for 11 years, I put it on. And typically that's quite a, you know, hefty commitment to, to your religiosity to put it on. But he managed to do it in a very sweet, non dogmatic way. Just, I just do it for me, please, God. And so that's who these guys are. And then you got Tucker saying that it's these guys who are these, you know, completely meek, you know, Jewish rabbis that are puppeteering foreign policy in the Middle East. Come on, man.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Okay, well, so those are the specifics of Chabad, but is there something that we can glean about either what's going on in culture or more specifically, what's going on with Tucker, given what his audience wants from him? Like, the, the tweet to me felt like, listen, Tucker used to be a normal guy. He's now bending anti Semitic. You weren't that blunt. But if I can just cut to the chase, that's what it fel. And so I'm. I see society bending towards anti Semitism. I've got a whole, like, civilizational arc take on why that happens. It's a thing that repeats throughout history. But I'm curious, like, what do you think? Like, his turn is, why is he going down that path? And if, if you don't have a specific take on Tucker and it really is just questions, do you agree that we're bending towards anti Semitism? If so, why?

[Gad Saad]

So let's start with the last part first. Undoubtedly, yes. I can't remember when was the last time that I came on. I don't know if it was after or before October 7th, but I can

[Tom Bilyeu]

assure you it was after.

[Gad Saad]

After October 7th.

[Tom Bilyeu]

You hadn't gotten signed with Ole Miss yet.

[Gad Saad]

Okay, but.

[Tom Bilyeu]

But it was in the works.

[Gad Saad]

So in the last two years, let's say. Yeah, I say. I mean, I. Somewhat flippantly, but I, I think I'm being literal. I long for the good old days of Jew hatred of the Lebanese civil war, given some of the stuff that I see today. It's just, I mean, part of it is because you're protected from the anonymity on online, you know, on social media. So people can just spew all kinds of nonsense at you, but it really, it takes your breath away. And I mean, I have thick skin. I've seen it all. It amazes me to see what people feel. That person who is levying these things at me is maybe my dentist, he's maybe my gardener, he's maybe the kindergarten teacher, I mean, I don't know who. And so unequivocally and unassailably, it's grotesque what's happening in the west, never mind in Islamic countries and so on. Regarding Tucker, I mean, in the article that I wrote, I proposed if. But I was very tepid and very respectful and polite. It wasn't incendiary. Yeah, yeah. Not at all. Yeah. One was. Could it be pecuniary things? It was money. Is it Qatar? People are calling him Qatar Siln or whatever the name they use now. It is true that he left Fox and then was starting to set up his own media company and suddenly he's got a house in. So it would be very easy for people to say that could be it. I don't know if it is. Whether he had a bent of anti Semitism in the past, I certainly would have never seen it because my experiences with him were always unbelievably warm. It's not like he didn't know that I was Jewish. I do feel though that there is a side of Tucker and if he's watching, I, I'm.

[Tom Bilyeu]

He's an avid watcher of my show. He comments more than most people.

[Gad Saad]

Yeah, okay, perfect. Okay. Well, Tucker, please don't be offended then, but he is a bit of a dogmatic, dogmatic kind of conspiracy type of guy. So let me give you an example. He had invited me on his long form show, which is filmed in this case out of Florida several years ago. And when we sit down, the first thing he says is, you know, professor, your evolutionary stuff, I mean, it explains everything. I was like, oh, that's great that he's saying this, because of course, I think so, too. Then I can see him on Joe Rogan where he says, and I'll try to imitate his affectation, but I'm not a very good mimic. Everybody knows that evolution is false, obviously. Right. And you're thinking, but wait a minute. I remember two years ago when I basically apply the lens of evolution to explain the evolution of your most important organ, which happens to be your brain. And you seem to think that it was such a powerful explanatory mechanism. How is it that two years later you're on Tucker saying, but everybody knows that evolution has been falsified? Well, there's a shitload of scientists that are colleagues of mine that better find out real soon that it's all a hoax, because Tucker Carlson, you know, has said that it's. It's Right. So that's the kind of. Or, hey, I'll give you another one. He's always very respectful to me, Professor Saad, Dr. Sa. Then I see him on the show. He's like, if you haven't cured a cold, I don't know why someone would call themselves doctor. He wasn't talking to me.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Right.

[Gad Saad]

I'm thinking, how does an educated person, you think that Albert Einstein did not deserve that title? By the way, if we're going to get into the etymology, the name, the title doctor was asserted by physicians. It comes from docer, which in Latin means to teach a learned person. So the original doctors, for example, the doctors of the church, were not physicians. So he will often say something that takes me aback. What was that? But I thought that's part of his charm, his bombast, his performance level. Performance. He's hyperbolic. And I'm like, I'm. I'm down with that. I love it. But then when it flipped to the Jew stuff, I'm like, I don't know, man. And I. I was so torn. And I. I hope that the article picked that up because I really, truly have a code of conduct where I don't like to come after someone that I know personally that's invited me to their space. So it's going to take a lot more before the honey badger comes out. Sure. But then I started feeling I might be inauthentic and I may not be the truth defender if I never say anything. So I try to strike the right balance. In that article.

[Tom Bilyeu]

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[Gad Saad]

Right. So there are the usual suspects as sources of Jew hatred. There are theological sources in Christianity and certainly in Islam or you probably know those. So. So let me introduce a new angle that is more relevant from a psychological perspective. So we may or may not in the past you and I have discussed the self serving bias. Have we talked about this? Does that ring a bell?

[Tom Bilyeu]

I think so.

[Gad Saad]

Okay, so but let me just repeat it because it's relevant to what you're asking. The self serving bias is a way by which you ascribe causality to either successes or failures in your life. And most people, hence the self serving bias, ascribe successes internally and failures externally. So I did really well in the business because I'm a very shrewd and smart entrepreneur. I did very poorly in the business because consumers are idiots who don't recognize the brilliance of my mind. And most people, to the extent that they have to go through a difficult life, will put on that rose colored lens to navigate through the difficulties of life. And I get it now let's apply that to Jew hatred. Literally every single malady that you could think of throughout history. But certainly, let's say in the Middle east, where I come from, is attributed to the Jews. And I'll give you some that sound like they're being humorous, but they're not. They're literal. In 2010 in Egypt, in a resort town in Sinai desert in the Red Sea called Sharm El Sheikh, there were some shark attacks on tourists that resulted in a panic in that resort town and a drop in tourism. It was sharks. They were fish. Do you know who was at the root of those fish attacks?

[Tom Bilyeu]

I have a guess.

[Gad Saad]

They were Jewish sharks. They were Zionist sars. You can go on Google later and see that, you know, the Egyptian Ministry of Whatever said that they have very convincing evidence that it was the Jews who did this. There is a website that you can go to that lists all the Jewish animals that have done attacks on humans. It could be squirrels, it could be raccoons, it could be dogs, all linked back to Jews. But if we get out of the animal kingdom, if your wife cheats on you, God forbid, it's probably because she learned about this through viewing porn that those lascivious thoughts went into her head. Who controls the porn industry? It's the Jews, the trans stuff that we see. Who was the starters of this? Oh, it's somehow linked to the Frankfurt school and relativism and those were all Jews.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Okay, let me ask a pointed question. If Jews didn't exist, would this sort of weird bias go away or would we just insert somebody else?

[Gad Saad]

Very good question. No, there is something specific about the Jews and I'll explain why.

[Tom Bilyeu]

So, so it would literally go away,

[Gad Saad]

or at least it would be a lot less powerful as an explanation. The Jews are perfectly engineered to be the existential culprits.

[Tom Bilyeu]

That's what I want to get to. What, what is the architecture in the mind and what makes them perfectly engineered?

[Gad Saad]

We're going to get to it. Okay, so self serving bias. All successes internal. All failures external. My wife cheated on me, it's because of the Jew. External. So to your question, why is the Jew the culprit of all individual and societal failures? So here if I borrow the term from Amy Chua, who's actually the mentor of J.D. vance at Yale. She's a professor of law at Yale. She wrote a. Probably her most famous book is Tiger Mom. Do you remember that book? It was a New York Times.

[Tom Bilyeu]

I didn't read it, but yes, I know it.

[Gad Saad]

Yeah. Okay, so she talks about market dominant minorities. Right? Now there are many to your question. There are many groups of people who are a minuscule minority in a larger ecosystem, but really punch above their weight class. But no group is remotely as close in meeting that reality throughout all of history, in nearly every ecosystem that they go to than the Jews. So the Jews are largely in the Diaspora until Israel now in 1948, and yet they are our surgeons, they are our top lawyers, they are our top Hollywood filmmakers, they are the top this, top that. Right now. We can discuss later why there is this Jewish excellence. Of course, there's a genetic argument that people don't like. Or we could even do a cultural argument.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Hit me with it.

[Gad Saad]

Okay, the genetic argument would be that Jews are just smarter than on average. And there are a lot of IQ studies that places them on top with some Asian groups, but really on top. Okay, but I'm going to. I'm going to ignore that one. Let's do the cultural angle. Okay, let's suppose you have a culture that says if you study hard, you're acting white. And it is a form of performative white supremacy. It doesn't take a fancy professor to tell you that's probably not a good recipe for success.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Aggressively.

[Gad Saad]

Okay, now let's do the Jews. I did an undergraduate in mathematics and computer science, so I was no slouch. Okay. Then I did an mba. I'm mentioning this not to brag about cv, because it's relevant to the story. Sure. So I did an undergraduate, then an MBA, then I was going on to pursue my PhD. One of the places that I was thinking of doing my PhD, I ended up going to Cornell, was I had been accepted at UC Irvine. My brother at the time lived in Newport Beach. So I come down to visit UC Irvine, and my brother is trying to convince me to maybe take a break after my MBA and put on the proverbial suit and work with him. He's 10 years older than me and you know, you'll get some experience and then if you decide to go back to do your PhD, that's great. I wasn't at all interested in not pursuing my PhD, but my mother caught wind of my brother's attempts to try to dissuade me from pursuing my PhD right away. When I returned to Montreal and I'm visiting them at their house, my mother, you know, ushers me into a room. I want to talk to you. Oh, shit, I'm in trouble. What's going on? What's up, Mom? She goes, I hear that you're thinking about not doing your PhD before I could finish an answer. No, no, don't. I'm going to do my PhD. She's like, do you know how much shame that would bring? Do you want people to remember you as somebody who dropped out of school? So let's go back. Having done an undergraduate mathematics, computer science and MBA, and then leaving, taking a break to pursue my PhD at Cornell would bring incredible shame. And people would look at you as the illiterate buffoon that you tr.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Right, Luna, I hope you're listening right now.

[Gad Saad]

That's the level of excellence. Now we can also do a historical analysis of why the Jews are so into learning. One argument that many historians have proposed. Well, you can't own land, you can't own anything. But you could own the knowledge that's in your brain, which you could then transport wherever next you're forced to flee. So put all those together. It becomes unbelievably easy for me to look at the diabolical Jew who's. Who's creating the architecture of why I'm failing.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Okay, cool. So it's right in lockstep with my take on it. I think that keeping the. It'll be interesting to answer definitively once and for all, even though I know it's a radioactive topic. But if it is true, that, and I believe it's Ashkenazi Jews specifically have

[Gad Saad]

a. I was hoping you wouldn't say that because I'm a Mizrahi Jew, so

[Tom Bilyeu]

I want to take all the credit.

[Gad Saad]

Tough break, man.

[Tom Bilyeu]

But if that's really true, and it is from an IQ perspective, higher, obviously, not being any kind of Jew, I'm really left in the dust here. I'm not Asian, I'm Jewish. I know it's a tough break, but that certainly would lend credence to that. And then also, one thing I've always put in the mix is from a cultural perspective, you gave us a couple touchstones that I think are very effective. The shame of the parents making sure you're getting educated. But the big one for me is that you have an insular culture where first of all somebody tries to convert you.

[Gad Saad]

Like, ah, no, don't watch it. Yeah, yeah.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Like, you guys go do your thing. Like, we'll, we'll stay here. And you try to dissuade, dissuade. And then on top of that, helping each other out, which, of course, if you're an exiled people, you're in a diaspora, makes a lot of sense. But you start creating problems for yourself because, listen, if you really are just above average intelligence, one of the first things you're going to realize Is, let me tell you, there's money in two places or there's power in two places, money and politics. So now you've got, there's a great book by Neil Ferguson where he covers the Rothschilds. And yes, I know that book. The book is phenomenal. And I keep trying to get people to read it so that they can stop thinking about things they don't like, that Jews do as like some mystical evil thing. It's like the Rothschilds were just like, there is an incredible amount of power and money. But you need to have partnerships with politicians because they create the policies, policies can impact money, et cetera, et cetera. So make sure that you're basically hobnobbing with them, that you've got all these connections. And it's like, yeah, that's a brilliant strategy. And people do it today all over the place. Like, this is not unique to any one culture, but insular culture. They find their way to finance very quickly. You're a part of a diaspora, you're a minority. So now you're not only going into an area becoming hyper successful, you're becoming hyper successful in money and power. And so now when culture is fine and there's money all over the place and everybody's feeling good, nobody's got beef. The second the culture turns economically and we've got a problem, it's like, who's fucking with my money? And then boom, they zoom in right away. So to me it's like, okay, I now have a first principles understanding of how we end up here, why it keeps repeating and why it's always repeating at a time where there's economic strain. Now whether or not there are things that that community could be doing to alleviate some of that is like another question that we can set aside. But what I'm trying to do is make this a thing that people are not so weird to talk about. Now the question becomes if people are going to have an honest conversation about this, one of the things that they have to look at. So right now I think we have this sort of weird head to head thing with Islam and Judaism. And so these two things are colliding. So you've got, Israel's managed to make a state for itself, but if you really go back and look, it's like America made a state in a pretty dodgy fashion, roll up on the shores, take things over, spread a little disease, conquer. Right? So a lot of questions there, but it created something great. Same with Israel. And so they go into a territory, historical connection or not. To me is irrelevant. Americans didn't have any historical connection, and I don't plan to give it up to anybod.

[Gad Saad]

So.

[Tom Bilyeu]

But they go in, they run a brilliant strategy from where I'm sitting, and they say, okay, we need somewhere. We're going to bring a bunch of people in until we're politically powerful, and then ultimately we're going to have so much political power that we can form a country and make it our own. And they pull it off. It's not easy to do. But then I look at Islam and I'm like, they're running the same strategy. And so now it's like, okay, well, how do people point fingers at them and be like, hey, you can't do it. I know we did it, but you can't do it. And so that becomes this point of collision. And so one of the things, like going through the feedback that people had on your tweet about Tucker and a sentiment that I see a lot is that idea of like, well, hold on a second, like, how can you be against that and for what Israel did? So how do you make that make sense?

[Gad Saad]

So let's throw some quick facts and numbers. The Organization of Islamic Cooperation, the OIC, is a body of 56 Islamic countries. 56. Israel is the size of New Jersey. Okay, let's suppose we use the appellation, which is an unfair one, of colonizer. If Israel is a colonizer, Islam is a super, super elite, extraordinary, orgiastic colonizer, like none has ever existed since the history of the world. So if we're going to use falsely, in my view, Levy, the attack of colonizer on Israel, then we don't want to start with Islam because Islam literally has the sword of Islam on it as part of its flag. That sword represents. We put the sword to your neck and we give you three choices. You either convert, as has been the case in 56 countries that were once full of zero Islam, or we chop off your head, but mercifully, because Islam is a merciful, by the way, they literally argue that it's a very swift thing. You feel no pain. That demonstrates that we are kind of. Or you live under what's called the dhimmi status. Dhimmi is the Arabic word for people say second class citizen. It's not even second class. It's right up there with the lowest of animals. Know your place, Jew. Know your place, Christian. Because you are people of the book, we will tolerate you until we reserve the right to no longer tolerate you. When we no longer want to tolerate you, put on Good running shoes and run. So there is this thing called. Oh, what is it called? Oh, history. So there is this thing called history where we can open these mysterious things called books that allow us to know what the reality is. To your earlier point about Jews being exclusionary, Judaism in its DNA is a non proselytizing religion. That's why Jews suck at marketing new customers into their religion. Because they do. Exactly.

[Tom Bilyeu]

From a birth rate perspective, you guys are for real in trouble, by the way.

[Gad Saad]

Useless. We suck. But the idea is that for better or worse, the doctrine within the tenets of the religion are even if Tom says I, you, you said it exactly right. I want to become Jewish. No, no, no you don't. Okay, I'm willing to do anything. No, you don't. And we keep putting barriers to test your, you know, desire to become Jewish. Your. It's called nitzpah. So that you are truly demonstrating the costly signal of wanting to belong. And therefore, once you become Jewish, you really are. You're not a convert. You're Jewish in your soul. Well, if you have another religion that says, the number one canonical tenet of my religion is to unify every millimeter of earth under the unifying flag of Allah, do you need Gadsa to tell you which of these. There's no contradiction. Israel just wants to have a small sliver surrounded by 400 million, all of whom wish to see it eradicated. And they're saying we don't want any. We don't even want to grow. As a matter of fact, when Israel gave up the Sinai desert to Egypt in order for Egypt with Anwar Sadat to sign the peace treaty, if they were expansionists, they would have never given given up a size of land that's many times bigger than their existing size. But they're saying, just F off. We live here, you live here. We both have a right to exist. Islam doesn't want that. And we're seeing it now in the United States. Go to Texas. Are you familiar at all what's happening in Texas? Okay, so the people who make those accusations, or how come God can do this, but not either. They are duplicitous. They're willfully duplicitous, or they're ignorant, or they're a bit of both. But there is no comparison between these two ideological systems in terms of serving as a threat to our personal liberties and freedoms. None.

[Tom Bilyeu]

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[Gad Saad]

Badminton is a sport. Boxing is a sport. Both of these sports start with the letter B. One of them is much more likely than the other to cause brain damage, despite the fact that they're both sports. Therefore they start with the same letter S. Felines includes my cat Fido, and it also includes the 600 pound male lion in Namibia. They're both felines. I'm less likely to cuddle with the Namibian wild feline than my feline. That's called a categorization error. Right. How you categorize objects and your ability to do so in an evolutionarily relevant manner is a fundamental, fundamental property of being able to navigate the world. There are 15 million Jews. There are 2 billion Muslims. It's about 125 to 1. Assuming that the radical nature of the two groups is indistinguishable, it's not remotely close to being indistinguishable. One is about all, say, 13 trillion times more dangerous than the other. But if they were equally so, the radical Jew is just as much prone to maniacal violence as the radical Muslim, you'd still have a scale problem. 125 to 1 numbers matter, right? So I could be 10 pounds overweight. Oprah Winfrey can be 500 pounds overweight, although now she's apparently lost a lot of weight. The fact that we're both called overweight doesn't mean that epidemiologically there isn't a distinction. Scale matters. I'm only. Okay, so history does not suggest that radical Talmudists have been causing huge mayhem around the world, but we do have the evidence for Islam. Does that mean that most Muslims are bad and mean. Absolutely not. Most Muslims are perfectly nice and sweet. And I know more of those folks than most people will ever meet because I come from the region and.

[Tom Bilyeu]

But this is part of the problem is that people go, well, hold on a second. I can point to two things. I can point to truly lovely Muslims that I know pose me no harm. That I won't believe for a second that this is takiriya.

[Gad Saad]

Takira sharia.

[Tom Bilyeu]

No, no, no. What's the. You can lie, Takia. They're not going to buy that. They've just known the person too long. So they can find hordes and hordes and hordes of people that are just lovely, beautiful, incredible humans, which you have said yourself, you know, just absolute scores of them. So there's that easy to point to. Then there's also like, Israel does some gangster shit in the world. It's kind of impressive like when you really look at it. And I know that's going to be controversial, but like when the pager thing happened and they blew the nuts off a bunch of people and it was like a 10 year plan to go and develop a pager company. They have to run the pager company. Like it has to be a real pager company. That's so wild to me that they were able to put bombs in those incredible. But you can point to that. Be like, yo, everywhere I turn though, it feels like there's a Mossad agent doing something incredible. Now you've got your Jeffrey Epstein problem. People are convinced whether it's true or not, they are convinced that homeboy leading the most interconnected web of sociopaths the world has ever known, people screaming, mossad agent. So it's like what? People can point to both of those things.

[Gad Saad]

They can't though. That's what I mean by scale.

[Tom Bilyeu]

No, no, they can. You're just saying the scale.

[Gad Saad]

Yep, exactly. That's what I meant. So, yes, the Mossad blew the, as you beautifully said, the nuts of a lot of Hezbollah guys. That's different than flying planes into buildings. Those are. Both resulted in deaths, but not only were they different in scale, they're different in whom we're targeting. I may or may not have mentioned this in a previous show. Even if I did, it's worth repeating. There are many, many databases, all of which are. Some are academic, some are journalistic, all fully, fully verifiable and authentic that track the number of Islamic terror attacks in the world. And you could choose which period you want. So the one that I usually like to quote is one that tracks it from 9, 11. That's the kind of the before and after as of 911 till today, this database. And that's an underestimate of the real number. So it's a conservative number. 48,000 terror attacks by Islamic terrorists in nearly 70 countries. You can't say that the Mossad is attacking random people in 70 countries. They're attacking usually their enemies in a few countries. So if you took. If we assume we can debate how many religions there are, one number puts it at about 10,000. And by here, by religion, Seventh Day Adventists would be different than Protestants, even though they're both Christian. So if you take 10,000 religions and you drew a bar chart of Islamic terror and the 9,999 other religions, including Judaism, you'd come up with one bar, that's 48,000. And the other aggregate are on one hand or maybe two hands, Right? So scale matters now. Now, let's talk about. But my friend Ahmed is a lovely guy. Okay? Iran is made up of 90 million Iranians. Most of them hate the regime. Many of them don't even wish to consider themselves Islamic. They say that we are Persian, right? Islam came and colonized us. The fact of all those lovely, beautiful, peaceful Iranian Muslims play any part in the fact that for the past 47 years they've been living in a prison? No. Right. So the fact that there are an endless number of beautifully peaceful Muslims is utterly immaterial to the trajectory of history. So, for example, on 9 11, there were these two buildings called Twin Towers, right? It didn't take 190 million committed terrorists to bring down those two buildings. It wasn't 190 million. It wasn't 19 million. It wasn't 190,000. It was 19 of them. So 19 is a minuscule number compared to all of the other Muslims that didn't do anything, but they're immaterial to the story. Let me draw another analogy. When my daughter, who's sitting here off camera, is going to go down a dark alley, I use this analogy. I use one of many analogies on my recent episode with Piers Morgan, none of which apparently hit. That was a funny exchange because he just said, but Ahmad, he makes really good curry. Come on, man. Ahmad. Okay, so when I tell my daughter, don't go down a dark alley that has young men loitering, the statistical reality is that most men would not rape her. So it is incontestable. The statistics is a lot more than. But my friend Ahmad is a nice guy, right? Most men would not rape her. But the way our brain Operates is it looks for statistical regularities and then uses an adaptive calculus to navigate through the world. So even though most men would never rape her, you and I as fathers would say absolutely do not go down that thing. Despite the one more example and then I'll cede the floor to you. I know tons of parents that have raised their children. None of them as far as I know, including incredibly woke ones that say that all sex differences are socially constructed. I don't know anyone who said I'm looking for a babysitter for my children that's a 35 year old male with a functioning penis. It has to be that because I'm a good person and I don't let statistical regularities or what's that thing called reality shape what I do with my children's integrity of their bodies. So I won't let this sexist logic of 14 year old girls as babysitters are less likely to molest my children. This is why I look for guys that are 35 to spend time with my children. I've never met any parent who does that yet. So notwithstanding the fact that most men are not child molesters. So that's how the brain operates. Most of Muslims are lovely. Islam, not as much.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Yeah. Okay, so the reason at all convincing or it. It is. But there's. This is all nested inside of an architecture that exists inside the human mind that I don't think anybody is talking about. And I cannot understand how I can't get people to focus on this, the scale problem. So Muslims make up a gigantic number. Let's round it to 2 billion. But the very first thing that you said about Jews is that no minority ever in the history of time punches above their weight more effectively than they do. So if I'm an American and I'm slowly but surely I'm watching Trump act in ways that I can't predict. I cannot figure out why he's doing what he's doing. And then I go, Miriam Adelson. Hmm, there's something here. I think he's basically bought and paid for. Why are these guys like Israel first? They're not acting like they're America first. This is like crazy. They start building a mental model that is influenced by effect rather than raw numbers. So they have, there's, there's almost no need to appeal to the fact that there are more Muslims by a country mile than there are Jews with if it's actually true that their life is being more impacted by Jewish people. So if Jewish people, and to me it's like, people cannot, like, separate that a person can be Jewish and totally uninvolved in all of this. They just have nothing to do with it. They're like, why? Why do I keep getting thrown into this? So I want to be very clear in my head. That is a very easy thing. You've got. I'll call politically active Jewish person who is literally trying to bend the world towards what they want. And let me be abundantly clear. I am of the belief that everybody should be trying to bend the world towards what they want. And so to me, it just seems like people are mad that you've got a group that's unbelievably good at it. And this is why I'm trying to get people to. I'm all for people saying, I absolutely despise the way that Israel is so capable of getting other people to go after their agenda. But the reality is everybody's going after their agenda, Right? So being mad that they're good at it, I would rather people just talk about, here's what I think they're doing. Here's why I don't want them to be doing it instead of, like, spiraling out and all that weird stuff anyway, because of that. Like, if I could just get people to start talking about this saying in a very, like, put all the pieces on the board. Don't try to go to bat for a team. The reality is America right now is acting like a bully. So I'm not going to be surprised when Europe, for instance, like, you guys can fuck right off. When Canada was like, we're about to elect a conservative president. Nope. Or prime minister. Not going to do it now because Trump is being an asshole. And so we're going to go. I get it. I get why people are responding like that. So getting people to see that there is going to be a consequence to being so good at leveraging the diaspora and the fact that whatever percentage of the Jewish population it is that it has managed to make themselves extraordinarily wealthy, which is awesome. I've done it. It's very hard to do. And so I clap like, it's a very difficult thing. But they then leverage that money wisely, politically, to get people to move in the direction that they want to bend them towards the things, the agendas that they want to get and all that stuff. But they've got to wake up to, like, there is always going to be a reality to be faced that you're moving pieces on a chessboard. People don't always know what you're trying to do, but they can see that you're moving things. It makes them deeply uncomfortable. And because they're so good at it, it just spirals into all this conspiracy madness. And then the fact that. And Andrew Bustamonte assures me that the French are way more hardcore than the Mossad, I just cannot wrap my head around that. So I think of the Mossad as being, like, the world's most impressive secret agent group. So you put that together, and now it's like you got. You have to contend with that, and so you have to be able to talk about it openly. There's an incredible book called Rise and Kill First. Incredible book about the Jewish strategy of. What do you do when someone's coming to kill you? You rise and kill them first. Yes. Like, I would teach my daughter that, like, this is like, the best advice in the world, but Israel's gotten so good at it that it's like, it makes people uncomfortable.

[Gad Saad]

So can I please, please, please? So of course you're familiar with Thomas Sowell, right?

[Tom Bilyeu]

Yes, intimately. I love him maybe more than you, and I know how much you love him. Really?

[Gad Saad]

Okay, those are big words. So Thomas Sowell, you're exactly right. Is the OG Is anybody who's listening right now. Drop everything you're doing.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Oh, my God.

[Gad Saad]

Go to every single one of his books. Read everything he's ever done, everything he's ever said. He's the OG of fighting the Woksters. Okay? And he's still alive. And I've been petitioning both behind the scenes and publicly for him to long overdue receive the Presidential Medal of Freedom. I don't know how he hasn't gotten it. He should. Anyways. At one point, you can probably pull it up right here. Somebody was asking Professor Sowell what must happen so that the Jews are no longer hated.

[Tom Bilyeu]

His answer was awesome.

[Gad Saad]

Thank you. Before you say it, one of the greatest answers of all time, consisting of one word. It starts with the letter F. Yes, it does fail to your point. Right? It was so.

[Tom Bilyeu]

He was so fail.

[Gad Saad]

Yeah, exactly. It really was the original mic drop. Right? That's the problem, is that. But look, let's take it away from an incendiary topic. The World cup, which is coming to the United states shortly, has 200 countries that compete in the World Cup. Do you know how many countries? And I'm not counting women's soccer, because it's not really a sport. I'm just kidding. I'm just joking. Okay.

[Tom Bilyeu]

We finally said something offensive. It's good, because before this. Everything was safe.

[Gad Saad]

Everything was safe. Jew, Islam. But don't, don't. By the way, we could talk about something else. I thought when you said I triggered a controversy yesterday. I wasn't even thinking about the Tucker. I was thinking about the other one.

[Tom Bilyeu]

We've got more.

[Gad Saad]

We've got a lot more.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Finally.

[Gad Saad]

But do you know how many countries have won the World cup just off the top of your head? Give me a number. That's very good. Actually. I would have thought that you would overestimate by a lot more. Eight countries.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Wow. Yeah.

[Gad Saad]

Eight countries have ever won. What is it about the DNA, if not literal, metaphorically, that can cause only eight countries in a sport that is played intergalactically, that everybody wants to win, Only eight countries have won it. Whatever the reason is, it's not unlike what happens with Jews. Right. There is for genetic reasons, cultural reason, a mix of both. Argentina produces the greatest soccer players ever. It's Maradona, it's Messi. They're both left footed. They move exactly the same way. I don't know what it is. Is it jeans? Is it that they do the.

[Tom Bilyeu]

It's both.

[Gad Saad]

Is it both? Okay. Same thing happens with Jews in a lot of the domains that we're talking about. So if I were a non Jew sitting on the sideline and looking at those demonic Jews, the smart thing to do would be to say, what can I do to emulate and even beat them at what they do. Yeah, right. I want to take Gad's sad story where his mother said, you're going to bring shame and I'm going to adopt this and inculcate my children with that level of educational excellence expectations. Right. So rather than demonize that recipe of success, why don't you say they probably have cracked the code about some of these things and let's emulate it. But that seems like it takes a lot of effort. Better to simply point them as being. In Arabic, you say shaytan the Satan. They're Satan people. And that's what explains why I've never become an actor. Because Hollywood is controlled by the Jews.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Yeah, no, I get it. I agree. I think that's the only smart thing to do when you look at somebody that's doing something where they had an agenda and they were able to execute against it is to say, ooh, I have agendas, I'd like to be able to execute against them. What? That's the secret there. And I will give that round of applause to the Muslim faith. They've done a phenomenal job of running a strategy. I don't. They probably won't love it being called a strategy. But the. To proselytize, to punish, if you try to leave the religion, it's a very good combination. Promising the virgins is also not a terrible idea.

[Gad Saad]

Matt, forgive me for interrupting you. Allowing Muslim men to marry non Muslim women, but Muslim women cannot marry non Muslim men. Okay? So if you look at the mimetic content of the Islamic religion, and maybe the Muslim viewers will appreciate this, it is the most brilliant memaplex. So if Jews suck at marketing new adherents, Islam is the exact opposite. It's the greatest marketing strategy that the world has ever known, precisely for the points that you've said and a few others. And so, yeah, they're smart about it.

[Tom Bilyeu]

And so now my thing is, okay, given all of that, how. And one of the all of that I really want people to hold in their minds is the way that America becomes a country, the way that Australia becomes a country, the way that Israel became a country. Like, these are all things that are going to make people in a modern context, in a Post World War II, everything has been good for a very long time. Standard of living is insane. So we have this sense that it's our birthright to just have things. And so now we start feeling guilty, quite frankly, because we have the time and the luxury to feel guilty about it. And we're now being confronted with a religion that is extreme, extraordinarily good at going into a space, starting small, planting roots and running a. You know, keep your head down, be chill in the beginning. You start to feel yourself, maybe you take over Times Square, you do some prayers, get the call to prayer going right, and you just slowly, slowly, you out produce, quite frankly, you just have more kids and you reinforce your religion. How does. What is the ethical framework. That's the real question. Is it ethical to push back? If so, what is the ethical framework that people use to push back?

[Gad Saad]

So 100% it's ethical if you believe that human beings are endowed with a survival instinct. Right. And I'm not trying to plug my next book, but the whole point, the whole point of suicidal empathy that's coming out in May is that empathy is a perfectly noble and evolutionarily selected virtue. But like most things, as Aristotle explained to us, too little of something is not good, too much of something is not good. And life is about finding that sweet spot. And it applies to an endless number of phenomena. It's probably the singular universal law of maximal flourishing that is most common across so Many different domains. Okay, it's the inverted you, too little, not good. Too much, not good. Okay, so empathy is fine as long as it gets activated within the right norms of reaction to the right targets at the right time. Right. So being infinitely empathetic to endless migrants under the guise of Fido is a feline, and the Namibian wild lion is a feline, therefore they're both feline, therefore they're both equal is exactly what happens when people say, you're such a hypocrite, Gad Saad. You and your buddy Elon Musk are immigrants, and yet you rail against immigrants as if all immigrants are equally likely, number one, to assimilate and not cause havoc in your society. The fact that we're both called. Right, so Muhammad the jihadist who just came from Al Qaeda camp is an immigrant and Elon Musk is an immigrant. Are they going to bring a net benefit that's the same? They're equal under the law, perhaps, but they're not equal in their proclivity to do good or bad.

[Tom Bilyeu]

I agree. But let's take it out of the abstract and start, because this is. We're really going to have to contend with this. And so everything ultimately has to be made into a policy. And it seems to me that the policy to say Muslims are a problem would be a mistake. That that's the wrong level of analysis. And it really comes down to different Muslims from different countries are going to matter. There are factions within Muslims, or Islam for sure, that fight against each other. And so part of what I think the West's problem is is we have this blunt force trauma thing of Muslim bad that then allows people to go, you guys are just being racist. When the drum I've been beating to death is this isn't about race. And you're going to be routinely confused when two people of wildly disparate races see that the other person shares their religion and all of a sudden they're besties. And then two people who look exactly alike want to kill each other because one's Catholic and one's Protestant.

[Gad Saad]

Exactly.

[Tom Bilyeu]

It is a values question. And when you find people that have your values, you can connect so fast. And when you find people that don't share your values, then you're going to jar whether you look exactly alike or not. So how do we, if I'm right, that saying Muslim or even Islam is too blunt force? It's like trying to figure out what things are while wearing mittens. How do we get to the part that actually matters so that we can create a policy that looks to things like assimilation, shared values, which I know is where you're going in terms of you go to Canada, you proselytize for Canadian values. Free speech, freedom, economic freedom, all of that things that one would want to see more of in Canada or America.

[Gad Saad]

So.

[Tom Bilyeu]

But how do we figure that out when somebody is like, yeah, you're Muslim, great, doesn't matter. You share my values.

[Gad Saad]

So you may. It may be jarring what I'm going to say, but let's go first. Number one, to your point about it's not a race. As a matter of fact, let me build on what you said. The Ummah is the Muslim nation. So the brilliance of Islam, it says there are no national borders. There is the nation of Islam, the Ummah. So I can be Indonesian Muslim. I could be white, pearly Albanian Muslim. I could be black Muslim from Senegal. I just said Indonesian, different race. I said Albanian white, different race. And I said Senegalese black, from West Africa, completely different race. We are all of the same. We're part of the Ummah. So I'm building on your argument. You're exactly right. It's not racist to attack Islam by definition. Okay? Islam transcends races in its canonical structure. Okay, Number one. Number two, when you come to my house, I have the luxury to say, even though you have freedom of speech and freedom of whatever, when you come into my house, I'm sorry, maybe it's that I have germ contamination. You have to take off your shoes. Now, you might say that kind of sucks. I don't want to walk around in my socks. But if you're going to be a good guest and understanding that I may have my quirks as a host, please take off your thing. If you decide to come in and start putting mud everywhere, I'm probably never going to invite you again. So even though you're a free individual within the confines of my home, I will put a restriction. You're not free to wear your shoes. I hope this is a good analogy now.

[Tom Bilyeu]

So I take that as country needs to know what they stand for. They need to be able to articulate their values or customs, okay?

[Gad Saad]

And therefore the argument, but God, freedom of religion, that can't be the impotence pill that you take to give away your children, your wives, your culture, your religion, your heritage, your civilization. If your religion is inherently hostile to my existence, and as you correctly said, maybe you heard that from me saying it, maybe you found it. Islam has used the Same playbook for 1400 years. When in the minority, act meek and play victim. Muhammad said it. When in the majority, smite at the neck and show no mercy. Am I making this up? Look it up. Okay, so therefore there is no world in which we have 1400 years of history. Before I answer this. When we run studies in science, we oftentimes have two conditions. We put 30 people in this condition, 30 people in that condition. And the reason why 30 is because it's when the T distribution mimics a normal distribution, just for statistical reasons. So roughly 30 and 30 is what you aim for. For you to have statistical representative. Okay. And a million studies are published in the most prestigious scientific journals with that small sample size. Well, I contend that the data. I don't contend it's a fact that the data on 1400 years of Islam has more statistical power in it than every single scientific study that's ever been published. So if we're looking for statistical power of a test, we've got this data. That data says that there is no place where Islam goes, becomes majority and personal liberties flourish. Notwithstanding that, your friend Ahmad makes great curry and he's very sweet guy. Both of those statements are true. Most Muslims are lovely. Islam, not so much. So how much more data would one need before they say look, it's still okay because they're only 1% in the U.S. but in Dearborn they're not 1%? Do we have problems there? Yes. But in Minneapolis they're not 1%. Do we have problems there? Yes. Do we have 1400 years of data in endless different societies where that exact answer question is answered the same way? Yes. Right. So let me bring it back personally. My family escaped Lebanon. It wasn't MAGA extremists that forced us to leave. My wife's family left Lebanon. They're Lebanese Armenian. It wasn't MAGA extremists that forced them to leave. Some of my grandparents left Syria. It was the same group of folks that forced my grandparents to leave Syria. My brother in law's family was forced to leave Alexandria, Georgia, Alexandria, Egypt in the mid-1950s. It was the same group of people. My wife's ancestors from Armenia escaped the Armenian genocide. It was the same people. So I just gave you Turkey. I just gave you Egypt. I just gave you Syria. I just gave you Lebanon. My wife is Armenian. I'm Jewish. There seems to be converging evidence here. But I could spend the next 37 hours sharing that with you. But guess what? Your friend Ahmad is still doing good curry and is still a sweet guy. So it's about the epidemiology of Islam. If Islam goes to a place, will that fortify the United States or weaken it? Well, we now have current data in France, in Denmark, in Sweden, in Spain, in Italy, in Britain, in Germany. Well, I can mention more in Canada, in Australia. What's happened? Do we have metrics that tell us, hey, have rapes gone up or down since that influx? So what would be the evidence that I would have to share with all your viewers for them to go? Well, I'm not going to rely on the reflex, but you know Weinstein and Epstein are Jewish, so you know Jews too. Jews can be assholes. Jews can be rapists. Jews can be pedophiles. There's no monopoly in the darkness of the heart of humans. There are bad people in every group.

[Tom Bilyeu]

Group.

[Gad Saad]

We're not talking about people, we're talking about an ideology. If your reflex is I don't want communism to replace capitalism in the United States, that exact same reflex should tell you, do I want Islam to take a stronger foothold? If the answer is yes, then please petition to have more Muslims come. If not, maybe you need to listen to guys like me.

[Tom Bilyeu]

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