Why This DSA Win Should Terrify Every American

Summary

“Why This DSA Win Should Terrify Every American” – Impact Theory with Tom Bilyeu

Podcast: Impact Theory
Host: Tom Bilyeu
Guest: Darieliza Avila Chevalier (Democratic nominee for NY-13), selected clips/analyst commentary
Date: July 11, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into the aftermath and significance of recent Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) wins in New York, centering especially on Darieliza Avila Chevalier’s nomination in the 13th Congressional district. Tom Bilyeu uses the Chevalier campaign as a lens through which to examine the broader ideological and practical shifts within the Democratic Party and U.S. politics at large. The host expresses deep concern about the nature of the DSA’s ideology and its movement tactics, suggesting these developments represent not just standard political strategy but an existential threat rooted in Marxist-Leninist thinking.

The episode analyzes Chevalier’s rhetoric, social media footprint, and public statements, dissecting what Tom sees as a calculated, evasive, and, at times, dangerous new energy on the American left.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The DSA's Surging Influence and its Nature

• DSA Candidates Sweeping NY Elections: Tom opens by noting the DSA has swept core nominations in New York, attributing this success mostly to an economic crisis that has radicalized young and disenfranchised voters.
  • Quote: “The energy of the Democratic Party is actually swinging farther left. I think this is entirely an economic problem, but the solutions being put forward by the DSA are absolutely catastrophic.” (03:20)
• Distinction Between Democratic Socialism and European Social Democracy: The host insists the DSA's brand is not akin to Nordic models but is explicitly linked in name and rhetoric to Marxism, Leninism, and even Maoism.
  • Quote: “This is not the Nordic countries... This is Marxism, Leninism, Maoism. And once you understand that, you can begin teasing out the different things they say from the policies they’re actually going to implement.” (03:49)

2. Examining Darieliza Avila Chevalier: Tweets, Tactics, and Rhetoric

• Old Tweets and Deleted Posts: Tom pulls several Chevalier tweets and retweets advocating for abolishing police (“ending policing full stop, period”), nationalizing utilities, dissolving private health insurers, suspending rent/mortgages, and aggressively anti-law-enforcement or anti-state sentiments.
  • Quote: “No, it means ending policing full stop, period. No more police at all, ever.” (03:59, quoting Chevalier during 2020 BLM protests)
  • Quote: “Seize the means of production.” (03:59, summarizing Chevalier’s retweet)
• Shifting Position and Media Savvy: Tom observes that since her nomination, Chevalier has deleted her Twitter account and become extremely careful—often providing eloquent but evasive answers to tough policy questions.
  • Quote: “She is able to make it sound like she's answering you, but she’s not… this woman is a brilliant politician… but she’s never going to give you a soundbite that you can use against her.” (04:22)
• Evasion as Political Art:
  • Quote: “She mastered the art of the weave. She knows how to weave. Yeah, yeah, yeah.” (14:17)

3. Hostility to the Party Mainstream and Tactics Within the Democratic Party

• Using the Democratic Party as a Vehicle: Discussion about how some DSA strategists see the Party as merely a ballot vehicle—a host body to inhabit to advance an ideology that fundamentally opposes establishment Democrats.
  • Quote: “The DSA is using the Democratic Party the way a parasite… will puppet the body of the host… Once elected, we’re going to run the policies that we’re going to run.” (07:40)

4. Accountability, Change, and Evolving Rhetoric

• Demanding Accountability for Past Statements: Tom advocates less for apologies and more for candidates explaining whether and why they have changed positions, especially on hot-button quotes or radical policy positions.
  • Quote: “People should be able to walk you through why they thought what they thought, what changed, where they’re at… I just want to see people update their thinking.” (17:14)
• Chevalier's Response: She often reframes questions to talk about community empowerment and “opening doors to democracy” instead of directly addressing specific radical policy positions.
  • Quote: “My goal is always to unify our community and deliver for our community.” (18:35)
  • Quote: “Representation that's actually going to listen to the community, hear the frustrations, and open that door and keep it propped open so that everyone can be part of their democracy.” (22:13)

5. Israel-Palestine Stance and Public Backlash

• Early Defense of Palestine: Chevalier attended rallies in defense of Palestinians on October 8th, 2023—before the full scale of the October 7th Hamas attack became clear.
• Host’s Critique: Tom views the DSA’s Palestine stance as indicative of prioritizing grievance over solutions, and he desires clarity on whether Chevalier supports violence against civilians or has a well-defined ethical line.
  • Quote: “A well-timed follow-up question here would be great. Okay, so you are for Palestine… So what way would you want to see them do it?” (26:34)
• Chevalier's Framing: She emphasizes a long history of supporting Palestinian rights and frames her participation as condemnation of disproportionate state reactions, avoiding direct reckoning with tactics or implications.
  • Quote: “I have been advocating for Palestinian human rights and dignity for most of my adult life… there is an outsized reaction, one that costs thousands more people their lives.” (26:16)

6. Wider Implications: Historic Parallels, Ideological Red Lines, and Political Rhetoric

• The Socialist Legacy: Tom repeatedly draws harsh comparisons between DSA rhetoric and the historical outcomes of Leninism, Stalinism, and Maoism, emphasizing their deadly legacies and accusing DSA of softening or hiding these roots through appealing language about “dignity” and “affordability.”
  • Quote: “Socialist is not a random set of syllables. It means something. The thing that it means is definitionally murderous.” (32:34)
• Notable Analogy: Recommends the film "Funny Games" as an analogy for how politeness and traditional social cues can be a cover for more dangerous intent, likening this to DSA strategy.
• Discomfort with Economic Explanations: Argues that even in the face of severe sanctions (Cuba, Iran, Russia, etc.), regimes can adapt if willing—so ongoing poverty and dysfunction are as much about ideological failure or stubbornness as about external pressures.

7. Concerns about Grievance-Driven Politics

Tom concludes that the political energy animating the DSA and their candidates is driven less by problem-solving and more by the desire to address or center grievance—creating a dynamic he finds destabilizing and antithetical to prosperity or meaningful progress.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On DSA Platform (Host, 03:49):
  “This is not the Nordic countries... This is Marxism, Leninism, Maoism.”

• On Chevalier's Political Tactics (Host, 04:22):
  “She is able to make it sound like she's answering you, but she’s not… this woman is a brilliant politician… but she’s never going to give you a soundbite that you can use against her.”

• On Demand for Policy Clarity (Host, 14:17):
  “She mastered the art of the weave. She knows how to weave.”

• On Old Tweets and Policy Accountability (Host, 17:14):
  “People should be able to walk you through why they thought what they thought, what changed, where they’re at. I just want to see people update their thinking.”

• On Historical Parallels and the DSA (Host, 32:34):
  “Socialist is not a random set of syllables. It means something. The thing that it means is definitionally murderous.”

• On Revolution and Outcome (Host, 41:53):
  “Always ask yourself, has somebody done this before? And if so, go look at what the result was that they got. The result of socialism is starvation, murder, death, concentration camps, gulags.”

• On Political Opportunity and Tactics (Host, 07:40):
  “The DSA is using the Democratic Party the way a parasite… will puppet the body of the host.”

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Timestamps & Key Segments

• [03:20] — DSA’s ideological distinctions and why their "solutions" are dangerous
• [03:59–04:50] — Analyzing Chevalier's deleted tweets and past radical statements
• [06:29–08:00] — The “host body” metaphor: DSA running as Democrats for electoral access
• [09:02–10:00] — Handling past derogatory tweets about Biden/Kamala, accountability dodging
• [15:20–17:20] — Host’s philosophy on past radical views: seeking explanation, not apology
• [22:13–23:20] — Chevalier’s repeated reframing towards “keeping the doors open to democracy”
• [23:55–26:34] — Palestine/Israel discussion: clarifying positions, host's critique on evasion
• [32:34] — “Funny Games” analogy and accusations of DSA masking radical intent
• [38:38–42:11] — Host’s analysis of historic socialist regimes and dangers
• [46:36–48:44] — Cases of state adaptation under sanctions; contrasting Cuba, Iran, Russia
• [51:38] — Episode closing

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Summary Table: Key Claims and Corresponding Evidence

| Topic | Host's Claim | Evidence/Support | Timestamp | |-------------------------------|-------------|-----------------------------------------------|------------| | DSA = Hardline Socialism | Yes | DSA rhetoric, deleted tweets, policy advocacy | 03:49–04:30| | Chevalier as Skilled Politician| Yes | Media handling, evasive but eloquent answers | 04:22–06:54| | Grievance vs. Solutions | Yes | Focus on grievances, lack of concrete plans | 19:43–20:41| | Critique of Historic Socialism| High | Historical analogies, “murderous ideology” | 32:34–46:36|

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Conclusion

Impact Theory’s episode “Why This DSA Win Should Terrify Every American” functions as a polemic and an analytical breakdown of what Tom Bilyeu argues is a clear, present, and deeply dangerous shift in American politics. Using Darieliza Avila Chevalier’s campaign as a focal point, the episode critiques both style (evasion, PR sophistication) and substance (past radical stances, ideological consistency, and lack of concrete policy explanations) of the DSA’s newest standard bearers.

Listeners are left with the challenge: scrutinize policies, demand clear answers, and weigh the dangers of grievance-first, ideology-driven politics against historically catastrophic experiments—because, as Tom glaringly concludes, when people tell you who they are in both language and history, you should believe them.

Transcript

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[Interviewer]

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[Darieliza Avila Chevalier]

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[Darieliza Avila Chevalier]

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[Interviewer]

of her story and the Democrats story look like. Joining me now is Darieliza Avila Chevalier, a Democratic nominee for Congress in New York's 13th district. Congratulations and welcome.

[Darieliza Avila Chevalier]

Thank you so much. Thanks for having me.

[Interviewer]

I'm hoping because you will be a member of Congress that we will have many opportunities to have a conversation, which means the first conversation is going to Be a little tough to get through because you've now moved from a hot part of the.

[Commentator/Analyst]

He says right before he serves every

[Interviewer]

softball, things are really hot into. You're going to be the next member of Congress, and everybody's now looking at you and saying, what is that going to look like? Last night we were on air when you're. When you delivered your speech in which you said, quote, the corporate landlords and lobbies who powered our opponent's campaign knew that he didn't represent us in this district. He didn't fight for us. He represented them and he fought for them.

[Commentator/Analyst]

And one thing that's really important for people to understand is getting. Putting your finger on the pulse of the problem is awesome. I think Gary does a phenomenal job of pointing out what the problem is. I think she talks about things that really do mean a lot to young people. Going back to that Peter Thiel quote, you can't just say they're brainwashed. You can't just say they're wrong. They are telling you there is a problem. But when you get the solution wrong, that's the same as misdiagnosing the problem. Or it may be even worse because the solution that you implement, thinking that you're going to get the actual solution to that problem, ends up exacerbating that problem. At least that is the. Anybody who's putting forward a Marxist, Leninist, Trotskyist, Socialist, Communist, like whatever one of those words you want to use, I don't want anybody hiding in any of them. They are all the same thing. When you put forward an answer like that, you end up breaking the machinery that actually creates prosperity. And that's why I'm so obsessive about getting people to actually answer from a cause and effect perspective. How is. How are the landlords causing this problem? What should they do to serve you? We obviously know the DSA's answer, which is freeze rents. And we'll talk more about that in a second. But all right, back to our lady here.

[Interviewer]

You have to do and say things in primaries, and then now you are the actual Democratic Party representative. That's not always the same as being a member of the Democratic Socialists of America.

[Commentator/Analyst]

Not always the same. I would say they're pretty opposed to me.

[Darieliza Avila Chevalier]

No, I think I have run. I'm very proud of the campaign that I've run. One where I am presenting the vision that I have for New Yorkers here in this district. And that has always been the vision that I have for them. Right.

[Commentator/Analyst]

So this is a woman who was just asked, how are you going to deal with the discrepancy between the Democratic Party and the the dsa? And she is giving a very eloquent answer to a question he did not ask. And this is. Politicians everywhere do this, by the way. She's just very good at it. But this is not unique to the dsa. This is not unique to somebody on the left. This is, everybody does this because they don't want to contend with difficult things with the cause and effect, yada, yada. All right, back to it. But this is the thing. This, this is like the crux of what drives me crazy. Because then you can never pin people down.

[Darieliza Avila Chevalier]

Folks disagree with my vision. I am very proud to say I will always be honest about my position on things. What is your position? And even if we don't agree, I will still fight for every single person in my district.

[Commentator/Analyst]

What are you going to do when there's a political reality to be faced, which is what he's asking between the tent that you're inside of the Democratic Party? Think about people like Hakeem Jeffries. Now, I know the punchline because the DSA is chanted at Hakeem Jeffries, you're next. So the real answer to this question is, and there are people from the dsa and I should have pulled it. But there was a guy that was going viral for basically, these are my words. And I'm going to paint this with just my aggressive perspective. So dial the answer down accordingly. But he was basically saying the DSA is using the Democratic Party the way that a parasite who takes over the brain of a host will puppet the body of the parasite. He obviously did not say any of those words. He was giving a very like, hey, you know, we ride on the Democratic ticket. We use that as a way to get on the ballot. But basically was saying we're going to run the policies that we're going to run. And the fact that we are doing it from inside the now animated corpse of the Democratic Party, ignore that because it's really all about our actual policies. Now, that is the honest answer to this question. But obviously that allows for direct conflict, a conversation. She's not going to give you that answer.

[Darieliza Avila Chevalier]

Have all of the resources that they need to lead a dignified life as New Yorkers.

[Interviewer]

I think you probably. And at some point he doesn't follow up, but you probably want this conversation to go away. But there are the social media posts. You have had derogatory posts about Joe Biden and about calling him a rapist.

[Commentator/Analyst]

And a war criminal.

[Interviewer]

You. You did apologize for the. The Kamala Harris one, I guess the Joe Biden one. You did say you call him a rapist. Is that the kind of thing that. Just because you're sort of a digital native and that you. You do on the Internet, or did

[Commentator/Analyst]

you believe that a thing you crazy kids do?

[Darieliza Avila Chevalier]

You know, I have. I think there was a lot of misunderstandings around what.

[Commentator/Analyst]

I'm not sure why people harp on this one. So it's really interesting. I feel like at some point, the DSA got together with her and they said, all right, we need a safe one, that you can go and apologize so that you can say, I've apologized for those tweets. She won't address the policy ones. In fact, there's one direct policy question. I didn't pull it because it's all in Spanish, but there is a direct policy question. You guys can look up for yourselves. You can find the translations. But it was basically, she's Dominican. They were. It seems like a radio show focused on Dominicans. And she had said, basically, I'm never going to put the Dominican flag in my bio because I think nationalism is. She may not have said the word evil, but it was something like, nations become incredibly violent. And so, again, don't deport anybody. Now she has been accused of saying that basically, anybody's welcome. Come in. I couldn't fact check that one, but that certainly would align with this idea that nations themselves are a problem. This is who we're currently running in primaries, by the way. But she won't put that in her bio because of that reason. And so the Dominican radio show was like, hey, no, no, no. We really want to talk about that. And she was basically, I can't quote it directly because it was in Spanish, but it was like, I hope you guys have a blessed day. I'm not talking about that. Took her headphones off and just left. Quick break, but don't go anywhere. There's more to come. After this short break from our sponsors. Let's talk about why you're sweating. Summer is when bad fabric becomes too hot to ignore. That tea that felt fine in April is suddenly stiff, clingy, and practically suffocating you by July. Most guys just suffer through the hot months, but you don't have to. Quince fixes that. I've got their Pima cotton tees, and I am very impressed. 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She learned her lesson with that old Twitter and has come back to bite her in the ass so many times that now if she's being asked questions to which she does not want to give, the answer that she knows is going to be a weaponized sound bite. She is out. And that listen, when you have an enemy that is a worthy adversary, recognize it. Don't pretend that like, she stays calm, she stays on message. She knows how to move around. She mastered the art of the weave. She knows how to weave. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, but the, the thing that as a society we're all going to have to figure out is at some point the things that they believe become a policy. And then we need to understand how that policy interfaces with the world. So we've got to find a way to pin people down, politicians to not elect them, unless they're willing to tell us, hey, what's legislation that you agree with? It's already passed. What's the legislation that you want to put forward? Not just high level ideas, but the actual legislation. And what do you think is going to be the outcome of that? And then we can say, oh, okay, cool, like that. Yeah, totally, I'm on board with that. I get how that goes. And okay, you said some crazy stuff in a tweet one day, but the actual policies that you're talking about putting forward, they sound dope. And then if they actually do that, which not everybody does, I mean, I think people on both sides of the aisle are going to make you clutch your pearls right off based on the difference between what they say to get elect and what they actually do. But at least you have a record that you can hold them accountable to. All right, back to it.

[Darieliza Avila Chevalier]

I deleted my account many years back because I was focused on returning to organizing.

[Commentator/Analyst]

And my Kamala was the safe one. It's the only one she'll address. So the whole idea of the overproduction of elites, she's been in post like high school for like nine years or something. I think she's got seven years pursuing her doctorate alone. So when you get into this idea, the whole concept, there's a guy named De Tocqueville and he talks about this idea of the overproduction of elites. We talked about it earlier, where what ends up happening is the people that try to burn the system down, they are the ones not that are out there grinding away in the field. Those people are actually having a hard time. So the guy in the Rust Belt that can't get a job, he's actually suffering. The person who's got a nice middle class existence to the point where they've been able to pursue a doctorate for seven years or however long it's been, they're in a totally different place. But because they believe that they should be in a position of power, that they should be wealthy by now, they're the ones that end up actually tearing the system down. So yeah, she falls square into that camp for me to.

[Darieliza Avila Chevalier]

We're asked to really have accountability for folks who have not held political office or have political power and don't do the same for folks who are in positions of political power now.

[Commentator/Analyst]

So basically, don't be mad at me. I wasn't a politician. I can say unhinged shit as long as I'm not a politician, which I disagree. I think people are constantly revealing their character. You can look at my tweets, and, yeah, those are the things that I think. Now, of course there is. You can change. You can and hopefully do change. And if you're willing to walk me through, like, what was the logic? So you thought that Biden was a rapist and a war criminal. What was it that changed your mind? And if she's like, no, I still think he's a rapist and a war criminal. But listen, like, you've got to have a tent that you can get into. And so there are just going to be some things you have to put aside. All right, it's honest answer. Hey, you said that we should abolish the police. Do you still think we should abolish the police? I don't. And let me tell you, it was, you know, I was very emotionally charged at that point. Whatever.

[Interviewer]

Cool.

[Commentator/Analyst]

Like, give me the reasons. Let me find out if you've changed your mind, why you've changed your mind. What was it that convinced you? Like, all of those things make complete sense. I am not somebody that's trapped by my own thinking. I'm not trying to trap somebody else by their thinking. But people should be able to walk you through why they thought, what they thought, what changed where they're at. And by the way, I don't even need her to apologize. That's not interesting to me. I don't think, like, let's say that I say something completely unhinged, and then later I realized, yeah, that was wrong. That didn't make any sense. I get that what the world wants is an apology. They want to know, I feel bad, I guess. But my thing is, I just want to see people update their thinking. So, hey, let's say that the thing she said about Kamala Harris was really just beyond the pale to me. I think it was pretty similar. She was like, fuck her or whatever, something like that. I don't need an apology for that. I just want to know what changed in your mind. Where are you going now? Like, what do you think? How has your, like, contact with reality been updated? That, to me, is far more interesting. So this is not. I'm not looking for cancel culture or apology tours. I just want to know, cool, what's the updated thinking? So I know how you're going to

[Darieliza Avila Chevalier]

lead, because as an organizer, my goal is always to unify our community and deliver for our community. And I think there is this question of why is it that when folks who do not have power. Political power, in this instance, are being held accountable for things. We don't also hold accountable folks who do have political power.

[Commentator/Analyst]

If she were saying, listen, I want to be held accountable, you're right to do that. Let me walk you through my thinking. But also, it's very weird that people get this kind of scrutiny when they're running for a primary. But we don't say anything to politicians that are actively in power right now. I'd be like, that is actually dope. I think she's doing the reverse, which is, why are you sweating me about this? You don't even sweat politicians about this. So this is where, lead by example, show people. Let me walk you through. This is exactly how I ended up there. This is where I'm at now. And we've just really got to hold people to account. Then I'd be like, all right, that's a point in her direction. But again, this is obfuscation.

[Darieliza Avila Chevalier]

Making an office every single day have an enormous impact on millions of people in our country. Right. And I think for folks who feel disempowered, it's important to make sure that we're getting to the heart of where that sense of disempowerment is.

[Commentator/Analyst]

You actually said that that is only useful if you're getting to the heart of where that dissatisfaction is coming from so that you can find a working solution. And I have a very strong belief that the DSA pumps out candidates or finds candidates and aligns themselves with people that are just trying to find grievance to gain power, and then from there, they want to take control. I mean, she literally said, either in a tweet or one that she reposted, sees the means of production. So not real hard to interpret.

[Interviewer]

That one tweet about Kamala Harris, you said that it came from a place of you feeling disempowered.

[Darieliza Avila Chevalier]

Yeah. And I think so much, so many folks in our country feel that they don't have representation that is fighting for them. Right. And that was part of why I decided to run, because I felt that abandonment from establishment politics that looks that my community, as though it is merely statistics and not people who are worth fighting for.

[Commentator/Analyst]

And I would be so curious to know what she thinks of as her community. Is it a certain number of square blocks? Is it being Dominican? Is it being in, you know, pursuit of a college degree? Like, what is her community? That's going to be one of those. Especially when people leverage identity politics, getting people to actually state, this is my community. This is who I'm fighting for, is it being disenfranchised? And then is she disenfranchised? That becomes a much bigger question. Like her dad is a landlord. That's one of the things that obviously is going to get super weird for her, but nonetheless is true. That last part threw me for a loop. Like, what is your definition of disenfranchised? So if she feels like somebody like me can't succeed in the world and so all of this is broken, then I'm like, hold on. Being able to go to college, your dad is clearly making a decent living. Somebody is supporting you to go to college for seven years. So that's like if it's you. By the way, if she's like fucking grinding it out and working three jobs and putting herself fucking, I'll be like, yo, that is real respect. Very impressive, Very hard to do. I had to work through college, so I get it. So I am admittedly making a base assumption I did not do the research, but I have a feeling that isn't true because of the amount of time that she spends doing community organization, which is very time consuming. So anyway, but that's one where I'm out on a factual claim and I could end up being wrong about that, but I don't have reason to believe I am wrong.

[Darieliza Avila Chevalier]

Too often we, we've seen folks go into office and close the door behind them, but what we need is representation that's actually going to listen to the community, hear the frustrations and open that door and keep it propped open so that everyone can be part of their democracy.

[Interviewer]

So I want to talk to you because you.

[Commentator/Analyst]

That's interesting, man. Do I have follow up questions for on that one. So at a surface level, open the doors to. I'll say power. She didn't say that word, so I hope I'm not misrepresenting what she said, but opening the doors to power, making sure everybody can participate in the democracy. Love that. Obviously with my constraints of you're a citizen of the country, which I doubt you would share, but for now let's not fight about that. Let's just say that, yes, that is a good thing. But now the question becomes, okay, in what way are we going to do that? What are we trying to get to? How do we want to get people involved? Is it just through protesting, making your voice heard? Is it through making sure that people show up to elections? Is it, hey, go post. What you guys, the change do you want to see in the world? Whatever. But that would be one of those Things that would be very useful to hear, because I fear what she actually means is things like, we've got a freeze rents because you're not getting what you're asking for. And so often people will ask for something that's not actually good for them. And so that's what I want to see, is she just like, hey, if people are asking for it, you got to give it to them, because that's not going to be a winning strategy

[Interviewer]

who want to hold people in power to account. And I want to talk to you about that with respect to Adriano Aspailant money that has come into that campaign, including money from AIPAC affiliated groups. But I need to set the context on that first. Because of this conversation about this rally after October 8th. You. You, you have strong beliefs about Israel's targeting of civilians.

[Commentator/Analyst]

Another thing that she did that riled up a lot of people was she was out of Hamas and Palestinians on October 8, so there had been no Israel response yet. And that's a line that a lot of people delineate. Did you start going to bat for Palestine after the bombings began and it was clear that this was a disproportionate response, or did you start going out

[Interviewer]

and

[Commentator/Analyst]

speaking up on their behalf to put a nice top spin on it immediately? And so she was one of the people that was out literally the next day. Okay with that. Now let's hear what she says.

[Interviewer]

Completely dwarfed what happened on, on October 7th. That said, I think I, I'm going to guess that you agree that innocent civilians shouldn't be targeted by anybody, regardless of the reason or the. Or the grievance, and that that stands for Israel and that stands for Hamas. Yeah, of course, because people have associated you with being supportive of what Hamas did on October 7th.

[Darieliza Avila Chevalier]

No, I have always been very clear that at the core of every one of my values is fighting for human dignity and human life.

[Commentator/Analyst]

Okay, so what I would say to that is, listen, I don't. I don't have any record of what words she was saying when she was out on October 8, but if it was something like, hey, this is a understandable reaction to them being put in the open air prison or apartheid or whatever interpretation she would put on that, and I would very much like her to use her own words for that. That obviously is very different than what I hear her saying now, which is why I think this ends up being such a sharp delineation for people, somebody pushing back and going to bat for Palestine once Israel has done a disproportionate response where it's like, okay, this is completely unhinged. That is a very reasonable stance to take. But when the people that were targeted were not military personnel, when you're out on October 8th, that was innocent people that were targeted. So then it becomes the follow up question, okay, do you think there are any innocent people in Israel? As we have heard Israelis say, there are no innocent people in Palestine. It's like, all right, well, we know where you stand. That certainly isn't going to buy you any favors. But that's the kind of stuff where if you're really trying to map the way that she approaches the world, getting an understanding of that would be pretty important.

[Darieliza Avila Chevalier]

The reason I was there at that rally is because I have been advocating for Palestinian human rights and dignity for most of my adult life. And knowing that historically what we have seen is that whenever there is an incident that happens in the region, there is an outsized reaction, one that costs thousands more people their lives.

[Commentator/Analyst]

And that man, a well timed follow up question here would be great. Okay, you are Palestine, you don't agree that people should be targeting civilians. They were targeted, so presumably you think they did it in the wrong way. So what way would you want to see them do it? And it would be very interesting to see if she's like, well, they should have gone after military targets only, or if she's just sort of stuck and is like, well, I mean, you gotta do something, you've gotta get people's attention somehow. In which case then the whole argument goes out the window. And yes, if you think that cause is righteous, and I'm perfectly willing to think that this is a well intentioned person who's just saying, yes, look, there is a line and you cross it and people do have the right to kill whoever they can get their hands on. Which there was actually. I forget who made this, forgive me, but there post the Haitian slave rebellions, there was actually a big dialogue about, well, if you're white, you're part of the system. You may not have been a slave owner, but you are part of the system. And so if you're in the middle of a slave rebellion, can you kill anybody who's white? And there were people who were like, yeah, yes. And so people were just willing to come out and say it, then at least you can have the debate and you can say whether it's moral or you can say from a military perspective if people want to go down those paths. But these things are like, you can actually tease out the reality of what somebody's saying you can tease out.

[Darieliza Avila Chevalier]

You can.

[Commentator/Analyst]

A lot of these things are going to feel like trolley problems, but you can nonetheless have the conversation. And you can have the conversation at the level of military tactics. You can have the conversation at the level of morality. You can have the conversation, but most people won't. Is your beef that she was there or is your beef that palace like she, the timing in which she was there? Oh, man. The funny thing is my beef doesn't have anything to do with that. My beef. Oh, so it's not the pro. Like, oh, the only thing I care about is the DSA are a chameleon who will show you what they want you to see and then they will go do something else. Quick break, but don't go anywhere. There's more to come after this short break from our sponsors. All right, I want to talk about an important investment you're not making. You optimize your calendar, your team, your systems, but not the one asset that runs all of it. Your brain. That is a huge liability. Your brain is your business. 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And they, I think, post their real beliefs. And then when people are like, thank you for telling me what you think, they're like, oh shit, this is not politically tenable. And I think what the DSA is good at is, hey, listen, we're all here, it's just us. We believe this radical, insane, Leninist, Marxist shit and we're going to seize the means of production and we're going to fucking literally do everything that's ever happened before, which is ruin the country, kill millions of people. Like that's where this is headed. We can't say that. And so here are the things that we can say. Talk about dignity, talk about affordability, right? And they're just going to bang the, we're going to freeze the rent. You know, this is a free daycare. When do we want it? Now. It's like, they're going to do all that shit. But what I'm trying to say is, hold the fucking phone. This, the ideology that is driving them is in their fucking name. They are socialists. Socialist is not a random set of syllables. It means something. The thing that it means is definitionally murderous. And so now it's like, let's talk about that. So I would very aggressively like somebody to ask her these questions. So my beef is not the answer because I think there are very reasonable stances to take on Palestine. There are even things I will consider morally indefensible. I think October 7th is morally indefensible. However, if somebody took the position, no, this is like a slave rebellion. And if the first person that you encounter is a child, but they're white, might kill them. Might. Okay, now I know what your position is. It's very helpful. Now we can argue from that position. Now I can either just try to understand and then move on and be like, this person is a psychopath, or I can try to debate you, but I first have to understand what you actually believe. My whole beef with the DSA and her is they're not telling you the real agenda. The real agenda is in the name and so I'm just like, as a student of history, I'm here to tell you that is a murderous ideology. Like, this is wild. I can't believe we're doing this. And there is a game. Oh, my. A movie. You guys must watch this movie. If you want to understand what the DSA is. Watch the movie Funny Games. Now, I will warn you right now, Funny Games is not funny. Funny Games is fucking horrifying. But Funny Games shows how you go from literally asking your neighbor if you can borrow an egg and then using cultural conventions to murder them.

[Darieliza Avila Chevalier]

It.

[Commentator/Analyst]

It is wild. You have to watch that movie. And that is how I feel about the dsa. They're using social conventions, nice words, the big smile of mom, Donnie being very polite, all of that. But in reality, they're called socialists. So I know where this goes.

[Interviewer]

So,

[Commentator/Analyst]

yeah, that's my beef to stand

[Darieliza Avila Chevalier]

against, because I had. It was a pattern that I had seen consistently throughout my organizing and throughout my experience in the region. I was actually in Palestine in 2014, in the West Bank. And I was there at a time where tensions were rising. And I believe it was almost either the day after the day I arrived or the day after I got back to the United States.

[Commentator/Analyst]

Let's say that I'm in Palestine. The question that I would want to ask is, hey, guys, let's just imagine that we're never able to normalize relationships with Egypt, who has us blockaded, which people conveniently forget. Let's imagine that we are never able to normalize relationships with the other guys, the other guys blocking the other side, the Israelites. Okay, so we're never able to normalize relationships with those two groups. What would we do? How would we make life better for ourselves? I want an answer to that question. I want to see if people even think down that road, because I'm guessing that they don't. And I'm guessing that it has just become the reason that the DSA is so attracted to the Palestinians is this is about grievance. And so you're finding somebody who is equally captured by grievance rather than by, ooh, I see a better world on the other side of that horizon. Martin Luther King, right? He had every reason to just be locked in grievance, but he didn't. And he had a dream, and he painted a picture about that dream, and he led people to it. I resonate with that dramatically. And, by the way, not as a kid growing up in America, post all of this in the 80s. I resonate with that as an Entrepreneur where it's like you're constantly finding yourself in horrific situations where there may be. Obviously I am not trying to equate the type of personal injustice happening where an entire nation is blockaded on both sides. I'm just saying you find yourself in a position to which there is no good answer. And it a thing may be happening to you that you can't control. It is completely unjust. But how you respond is going to tell me everything about your worldview. And so I would want to understand how are you going to get yourself out of this problem? Do you approach this from a solution oriented mindset or is this war is the only thing that will do? And that's where it's like, I'm not going to play the funny games. Like, I'm not going to take people's rhetoric. I want to know, let's run some thought experiments. What do you do in this case? What do you do in this case? What do you do in this case? Because what I see when I look at the Palestine conflict is I see Israel went from the, from David to being Goliath to bullying the shit out of anybody and everybody that they can, using their strength. So I get why people don't like that. And then I see a grievance playing out, whether it's Hezbollah, Hamas, Palestinians themselves, where it's like, you had billions of dollars flow into your country. You built terror tunnels so that you could strike back. You didn't build an economic engine. And that's where I'm like, hold on. If that those actions make a prediction, either that you believe it is truly impossible to build an economic engine because of these blockades. And if I heard you complain in equal measure about Egypt and Israel, I'd be like, okay, but I don't hear you complain about one. It's part of your charter to eliminate one, right? So then I'm like, wait, this is actually about they stole our land. And so now I'm like, oh, okay, this is actually, this is a grievance thing. And hey, me saying that that's a foolish way to live your life does not make me right. But at least it helps me understand what conversation am I having? Because if this is, there is no economic solution that you find interesting. You are wholly uninterested in an economic solution you only care about. I am getting that land back, full stop. Like, we can fucking pretend and have other conversations, but like, I'm getting that land back. Which you would be able to pin down through a series of thought exercises. But. But Nobody ever asked those questions.

[Darieliza Avila Chevalier]

And over 1400 or maybe 1800 folks or people were killed in Palestine and Gaza at that time. And I remember being home and scrolling through the faces and names of the people who had been killed and feeling completely powerless to do anything about it. People who looked so much like the people I had just left in the West Bank. And knowing that day that we were in a situation where something similar or bigger would come to pass, that was what I was there to stand against.

[Interviewer]

It wasn't as central an issue in your campaign as it was in the Brad Lander, Dan Goldman campaign. But the AIPAC and AIPAC affiliated money that came in against you was bigger. I mean, it was a lot of money. And you've been very critical of Adriano Espayat's with this.

[Commentator/Analyst]

I'll put a button on this. So, all right. Watching her, you understand my. I'm not taking beef with any of her positions because she did not give any positions. I don't know what she was doing on October 8th. I'm perfectly willing to extend the belief that she was merely trying to get people to understand that these are humans and that while this may be a great tragedy and we should never want something like this to happen, that we cannot ignore their pleas. No problem with that. My beef is that she's not going to give you those explanations. And this is the underlying thing that with the candidates, you'll hear it more from people behind the scenes, but the actual candidates don't just come out and say this. They give you very slick political answers, which is exactly how they're going to get to power. But they give the game away. Again, the dsa, you can learn a lot by look at the DSA in Seattle. They ended up rejecting the current mayor of Seattle because she said she was not willing to blanket endorse every person that they had on their ballot. Plus they did not overlap on abolishing the police. So, okay, it's like, well, that certainly tells me a lot, especially when you did endorse Chevalier. So I presume that she does plan to blanket endorse. I don't know that. But that she does plan to blanket endorse DSA candidates and that she, part of her platform once in office, is going to be abolishing the police. I don't know that. Again, I want to be very clear, but when you start looking at these things, it's like, huh, that's very interesting. Um, so, all right, with that. The reason that I pulled this clip is Hasan, God bless him, is he really does say the thing, um, and he's talking about the kind of people that are going to be inspired because this, I think was actually right after they got elected or right before, I can't remember. But he's talking about the DSA candidates and the kinds of people that would be excited to vote for them. We got people who love Stalin, Mao, maybe even Trotsky, who are now saying, I'm going to vote, I'm going to engage in electoralism for once, I'm going to engage in electoralism. I'm going to vote for Claire Valdez. I am further to the left and I normally do not participate in bourgeois elections, but it's the commie corridor. We got to make it. We got to make sure that people see how red this motherfucking commie corridor is all the way from space. So he's not saying that the DSA is Mao, Stalin, so on and so forth, but he's saying that their policies are so radical that supporters of Mao, Lenin, Stalin would be motivated enough to go vote for them. Now, somehow in the west we have gotten to the point where we every like negative thing that we can think of when we hear Hitler's name, we think, thank God, I'm so glad we think all those negative things.

[Interviewer]

Things.

[Commentator/Analyst]

He was a monster. Unbelievable monster. But guess who was worse just by death count? Stalin and Mao. Those two alone. Forget Lenin, who was also a murderous villain, but Stalin and Mao alone, Stalin killed somewhere between. Numbers always vary. 20 to 40 million. At 20 to 40 million now, as I say, a single death is a tragedy. A million deaths is just a statistic. So I know it's hard for that number to land, but if you want it to land, read the book Red Famine. When you read the book Red Famine and you get to the scene where the woman boils and eats her own seven year old daughter, you will understand what all of this actually looks like when you play it out. So imagine you've got a guy who knows, hey, to break the back of these bourgeoisie, we had to starve them to death to the point where they were eating their own kids, but fuck them, because those guys had more cows than you and we can't have that outcome. He's saying, those people are going to be motivated to vote for these candidates. Now this is part of why the Democratic Party is trying to distance themselves from Hasan, because he gives the game away. Plus there's a huge rift between the Democrats and the dsa. But for whatever reason, when we hear the names Mao or Stalin, we don't think of them as being on the same level of evil as Hitler when by death count, they were far more murderous. So the 6 or 12 million or whatever, Jews and gays and cripples, whatever, that he was able to kill, bro, that's like a brunch for Mao and Stalin. So I don't know what the fuck universe we live in where somebody can be like, yay, finally we have a candidate that those guys are going to get excited to vote for. And we're like, that's a good thing. That shit is so wild. Like, even if he's saying it a bit tongue in cheek, I don't think he is, to be honest. Because he went to Cuba because he thinks Cuba's winning. I don't know what the fuck is happening there. But actually, I do know. Let me be honest. Hasan thinks the US Meddles in Cuba, and that's why, dude, we dropped two nukes on Japan and literally ran their country. We all the, like, fucking controls. You can imagine, by the way, right after World War II. And then later, we jammed a stick in the spokes of their bicycle, sent them ass over tea kettles smashing to the pavement, skid along the ground, caused them to have bubble bursts that it's taken them 40 years to recover from. But in the meantime, their country was fucking awesome. They did not become Cuba because they're not retarded. So I don't know what he. What story he possibly tells himself that makes all of that make sense, but it's absolutely fucking wild. So anyway, yeah, this one to me is full crazy. And I cannot believe people aren't like, what? Like, this is what these guys want. Again, when somebody says they want to do something, always ask yourself, has somebody done this before? And if so, go look at what the result was that they got. The result of socialism is starvation, murder, death, concentration camps, gulags. Like, it's so wild because it. It breaks the engine of prosperity, okay? As an ideology, it functionally means it. It whether. So if an object is designed to do the thing that it outputs, right? I mean, that's just definitionally correct. So even if it happens by accident, it is still designed to do the thing that it outputs. That's why it outputs that thing. Socialism is designed to break the economy, the very thing that creates prosperity, the very thing that pulled Chinese out of poverty. It is designed to break it. It will break it every time it's tried, which is why it breaks it every time that it's tried, because it runs on resentment. It Requires force. You put those two things together and you've got a very, very, very bad situation. We can't under credit though the amount of sanctions and economic warfare that US has waged in countries. A thousand percent. Dial it to 12. If you can't trade with anybody, how can you. Russia's doing all right.

[Interviewer]

It. Okay.

[Commentator/Analyst]

What, what's the problem? Okay, Russia's doing all right. China's doing great. We fucking sanctioned the shit out of them. We literally broke Japan's economy. They're doing all right. Iran. No, no, no, let's keep going. Iran. Are they fucked up like Cuba? No, they. It's not easy, but you can go to Iran. They're in a way better position than Cuba. So there are ways with all the sanctions in the known universe to do well. Now, both Russia and Iran have oil. So you've got to have a product. So dear Cuba, you don't have oil. Don't act like you do. So what's going to be your product? And don't fuck it up like you did with sugarcane. So you've got to find a way to actually make your economy work. Now, again, let's say that they're put in a position that's just completely unjust. Heard you've still got to find a way out of that. You don't get to starve your people for 40 or 50 years and not make change. At some point you go, fuck, I live in a world where there's this gigantic country and there are these unimaginable assholes, and they are forcing me to have a different kind of government. Okay, yeah, but you live in that world. And so your answer is really, fuck you, I'm right and I'm going to keep doing this. Or do you go, we have to make concessions? We've. We have to bend the knee, We've got to play nice. We're going to bend the knee, we're going to kiss the ring, we're going to give back rubs, whatever, but we are. We are not going to make our people continue to suffer. That is the only logical response. So if you can beat them in warfare, do it. Like, if you're going to be Ukraine and they try to fuck with you, launch a war, great. But if you can't, like, what are we doing? I don't understand how people give them a pass. Because it's like, yeah, just assume America is the evil empire. America is fucking with you. You're literally just going to grind your people into poverty because you want to be right. Like, this is so fucking stupid. So, yes, if you have to make concessions, make the concessions. So Vietnam, they kicked us out.

[Interviewer]

Cool.

[Commentator/Analyst]

And then they managed to grow their country. Cuba is not able to do it. Cuba keeps flirting with fucking Russia to make sure that they are maximally our enemy. It's like, dude, there. There are way better ways. Elect some. Of course they can't, because the person's ruling by an iron fist. But you need to get somebody in power that's like, you know what? Fighting America didn't work. We ran. The strategy was not a winning strategy. So we've got to do something else. That's where I'm just like, I don't understand. I don't understand. And my advice is the same to the Cypriots. Turkey came and stole your land. They stole your land, they kicked you off, they killed people, stole all your shit, and they just said, yeah, sorry, it's ours now. We don't want you to have it anymore. You woke up on a Saturday and they legitimately just stole your land. They did a nakba on Cyprus and Cyprus moved the fuck on. They're mad as hell, but they moved the fuck on. And so now the country's growing and they have a normal life. And so it's like, yeah, a very unfair thing happened to you. And now how you deal with that will determine what your future is. Like, that's not a past for Turkey. And if you can get strong enough to go, take your shit back. Get strong enough, take your shit back. But it's like, dude, in the interim, hell, do not just grind your people into poverty. That's so. That's so dumb. I don't understand. An unfair thing happened to you. An unjust. It is completely horrible. Can you reverse it through force? Yes. Great. Do it. I got it. Wars, hell, it will be immoral, it will be disgusting. But if that's the play that you think you need to make, great. Oh, you can't take it back militarily. What are you going to do the next 40 or 50 years? Fuck my people. I don't care how much starvation or how shitty life is. I'm going to be right. It's just so weird to me. That's it, you guys, thank you so much for everybody that stayed with us today. I appreciate you guys so much. Shout out again to humble house who allows us to talk about these crazy subjects. I appreciate those guys so much. And they make an absolutely amazing product. The ingredient label is sales marketing enough for me. It's absolutely incredible. They are delicious. You can get 15% off of code tom humblehousefoods.com make sure that you check them out and then I'm doing another ITU AI masterclass Thursday, July 9th at 1pm Pacific. Make sure you join me. It is free, free, free. And I will show you how to be a part of the solution and build a company using AI. Again, it's completely free. Thursday, July 9 at 1pm Pacific the link is there. You can click it and sign up. It's in the description. All right everybody, and if you missed any part of the show, make sure to head on over to Tom Billy Eclipse I also dropped that link in the chat. Discord Clips Channel Discord Clips Channel AI Masterclass There you go. All right, so we do have a clips channel so the reacts will almost certainly end up living on the clips channel. So make sure that you subscribe to Tom Wclipse. All right everybody, have a great weekend. See you Monday.

[Darieliza Avila Chevalier]

Peace.

[Commentator/Analyst]

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