$40 Billion Nazi Rat Line Country Lore | TMT 152

Summary

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Too Many Tabs with Pearlmania500

Episode 152: $40 Billion Nazi Rat Line Country Lore

Release Date: November 2, 2025
Hosts: Alex Perlman (Pearlmania500) & Mrs. Pearlmania

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Episode Theme & Overview

This episode takes listeners on a wild research journey triggered by current news: the U.S. President granting $40 billion to Argentina. Mrs. Pearlmania, curious about this move, dives down a series of tabs that spiral from post-WWII Nazi emigration routes (“rat lines”), through Argentine political history, all the way to modern internet drama involving makeup mogul Kat Von D. With their signature mix of comedy and history, the couple examine why Argentina became a haven for fleeing Nazis, the institutional organizations that helped them, and argue about the weird continuity between war criminals, international escape, and the tangled family trees of today’s influencers.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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Argentina: Why the $40 Billion?

• Mrs. Pearlmania is baffled by the U.S. sending such an enormous sum to Argentina.
• This leads her to research Argentina’s 20th-century history, particularly its postwar reputation as a Nazi safe haven.
• Alex jokes: “We could have built a better ballroom at the White House!” (03:27) and acknowledges that Argentina’s relationship with the U.S. is “complicated, especially with all the stuff with beef and soybeans.” (04:18)
• This tab spiral sets the episode’s premise: how Argentina ties into dark WWII lore and contemporary weirdness.

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What Are Nazi “Rat Lines”? (06:33)

• Mrs. Pearlmania explains:

  “Rat lines were the systems of escape routes used by the German Nazis and other fascists to flee Europe after World War II.” (06:55)

• Alex summarizes, “So…the Nazi underground railroad to escape justice and Nuremberg?” (07:09)
• Two primary routes existed, largely leading to South America: Argentina, Brazil, Chile, and Paraguay (07:27).
• The network was collaborative, involving “nodes, people helping, places to stay, and even documentation arrangements” (08:39).

The Catholic Church’s Role (09:33)

• Not surprisingly, “collaborators” included key Catholic officials—namely, Bishop Alois Hudal, rector of a Catholic seminary for Austrian and German priests in Rome (10:35).
• Alex gives context:

  “Austria was enveloped into Germany because Hitler was from Austria, and…this guy, being an Austrian bishop in Rome...” (10:53)

• Bishop Hudal later openly admitted to aiding Nazi war criminals’ escape, working with the Red Cross to secure fake papers:

  “He was unabashedly open about his role in all of this.” (13:10)

How Did They Do It?

• Mrs. Pearlmania details that some Nazis received new identities via Red Cross and church contacts, exploiting the less centralized documentation systems of the era (14:30–15:28).
• Alex contextualizes this for listeners:

  “Credit reports in America didn’t exist till 1987… you just went to a town and someone said, ‘He’s a good dude,’ and that was it. In this case, imagine a bishop vouching, ‘That’s just Timmy, he’s good.’” (15:28)

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Notable Quote: Hudal’s Shamelessness

• Hudal, in his memoirs:

  “I thank God that he allowed me to visit and comfort many victims in their prisons and concentration camps and to help them escape with false identity papers.” (17:47)

• The hosts break down how warped this language is—he frames Nazi POWs as “victims” in parallel to Holocaust victims.
• Mrs. Pearlmania:

  “He’s talking about the Nazis being held in Italy in internment camps. Yes.” (18:03)

• Alex:

  “Because he saw Germans who had the same beliefs as him being held inside barbed wire, he said that can’t happen… meanwhile his belief was people who are different than me should be held inside a barbed wire.” (18:23–18:37)

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Scale of the Rat Lines

• “It’s estimated that 9,000 Nazi war criminals and their collaborators escaped to South America.” (22:21)
• This count doesn’t include spouses or children, hinting at deeper multigenerational impact (22:32).

Specific Names on the “Reverse Schindler’s List” (27:05)

Mrs. Pearlmania lists high-profile Nazis spirited away through these routes:

• Franz Stangl (Treblinka commander)
• Gustav Wagner (Sobibor commander)
• Alois Brunner (Drancy, internment camps)
• Erich Priebke (Ardeatine Massacre)
• Adolf Eichmann (“Architect of the Holocaust”)—later famously caught and tried in Israel
• Although not personally helped by Hudal, Joseph Mengele (the “Angel of Death”) used this same rat line network, with later assistance from the Argentine government (29:16, 30:33)

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The Role of the Argentine Government & Perón’s Legacy (31:54 on)

• In the 1940s, Argentina's President Juan Perón openly hired ex-Nazis and sympathizers into governmental positions. This was facilitated by Nazi-loyal industrialists like Ludwig Freude (32:01).
• Anti-Semitic bureaucrats (like Santiago Peralta) streamlined Nazi emigration and naturalization. Perónism, still a political force, is unpacked, revealing its right-wing, authoritarian roots (33:27, 34:08).
• Alex:

  “Argentina is Nazi Canada… like the end point of the Underground Railroad, but for Nazis.” (36:32)

• Nazis and their families were welcomed as “refugees,” often blending in under Catholic or farmer personas, aided by existing German-Argentine communities (37:18–38:18).

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The Seventh-Day Adventist Church, Collaboration, and Nazi Sympathies (41:45)

• Mrs. Pearlmania discovers the German Seventh-Day Adventist leadership enthusiastically supported Hitler’s rise, referencing him as “God’s chosen” for his “clean living” (43:19).
• The leader, Adolf Mink, went along with Nazi directives, even altering core church beliefs (i.e., working on Saturdays) to comply with state policy:

  “We are not unprepared for the new order, pledging to support the Nazi regime’s agenda.” (47:31) “They changed their whole religion to comply.” (51:52)

• The hosts discuss how “religion as an institution” is often eager to collaborate for self-preservation.
• Mrs. Pearlmania traces how this missionary zeal led German Seventh-Day Adventists to establish missions in Argentina—setting up the next tab spiral (53:34).

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Modern Consequences: From Rat Lines to Influencers (55:01)

Kat Von D’s Family History

• Mrs. Pearlmania lays out the family history of Kat Von D (Katherine von Drachenberg):

  “Let’s say two German Seventh-Day Adventists go to Argentina on a mission, fall in love, have a child in Mexico—Katherine von Drachenberg… a.k.a. Kat Von D.” (55:01–57:14)

• There’s a deep dive into the significance of “von” in German nobility and how many families with these affiliations quietly assimilated elsewhere postwar.

Anti-Semitic Associations and Branding Mishaps

• Kat Von D’s history is peppered with “scumbag” significant others displaying racist or white supremacist symbols:
  • Oliver Peck (in repeated blackface photos on MySpace) (60:47–61:29)
  • Jesse James (affiliated with SS symbols and the Totenkopf) (61:59–62:32)
  • Her current husband sports a swastika tattoo surrounded by a lotus, Star of David, and ankh, claiming “it’s for religious/peace reasons,” which the hosts mock as gaslighting (69:28–70:14).
• Notably, Kat Von D released a liquid lipstick named “Selection,” using the specific German term “Selektion”—the Nazi euphemism for sorting death camp prisoners for labor or execution.
  • Mrs. Pearlmania:

    “Why would you use the word that’s used in the context of the Holocaust? That’s not edgy.” (77:27)

  • The backlash caused the product to never reach shelves.

The “Christian Rebrand”

• After continued controversies—including anti-vax sentiment, anti-Semitism accusations, and business woes—Kat Von D sells her brand and relocates to Indiana, where she “converts to Christianity” and attempts to rebrand as a faith influencer (78:59–81:11).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Research Spirals:

  “I started opening tabs and at one point, I was going to take a screenshot of it because I had like 20 open and I was literally just on page one of the Google Doc.” —Mrs. Pearlmania (03:07)

• On Nazi Self-Victimhood:

  “He says, ‘I thank God he allowed me to…help them escape with false identity papers.’” —Mrs. Pearlmania (17:47)

• On Absurd Rebranding:

  “This is the weirdest coexist sticker to put across your fucking throat.” —Alex Perlman (70:04)

• On History’s Weird Loops:

  “How did this happen? You know how it happened, Mrs. P. Because you opened too many tabs.” —Alex Perlman (84:24)

• On Corporatized Christianity:

  “She had to pivot because she kept having all these controversies.” —Mrs. Pearlmania (79:24)

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Key Timestamps

• Rat Lines & Nazi Escape Routes: 06:33–15:28
• Catholic & Red Cross Involvement: 09:33–18:37
• Scale of Nazi Escapes: 22:21–23:10
• “Reverse Schindler’s List” of War Criminals: 27:05–29:46
• Government Collusion in Argentina: 31:54–36:35
• Seventh-Day Adventist Collaboration: 41:45–54:20
• Kat Von D’s Family & Nazi Lore: 55:01–57:14
• Kat Von D, Anti-Semitism, and Product Names: 60:07–77:27
• Modern Religious & Cultural “Pivots:” 78:59–81:11

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Episode Structure & Flow

• The episode maintains its comedic, skeptical tone while covering genuinely troubling material.
• The hosts move from current events seamlessly into deep historical family trees, then up to modern influencer controversies and pop culture.
• Each set of tabs opened refers to deeper, interlaced institutions: religion, geopolitics, pop culture.
• Irony and dark humor are coped with via running gags (“reverse Schindler’s List,” “too many tabs,” “Nazi Canada,” the Pepe Pizzeria puppet).
• Multiple ad breaks and side jokes provide comic relief between heavy segments.

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Summary

Starting from a simple question about a White House spending package, the Pearlmanias unleash a sprawling, tab-driven odyssey: from the Nazi exodus into Argentina, the facilitation of these escapes by religious and governmental authorities, the integration of fascists in South American government, and the lingering ripples through generations—culminating in a close reading of the strange web of associations around Kat Von D. The episode ultimately displays how the threads of history, ideology, power, and pop culture intertwine—often in uncomfortably obvious ways, if you’re willing to open enough tabs.

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For Listeners Short on Time

• If you want the nitty-gritty of Nazi escape post-WWII: Start at 06:33.
• For institutional complicity and direct quotes: Jump to 17:47.
• For the Argentine political connection: 31:54.
• For modern cultural fallout and Kat Von D lore: 55:01–77:27.

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Closing reminder from Alex:

“You know how it happened, Mrs. P. Because you opened too many tabs.” (84:24)

And don’t forget:

“This is a comedy history podcast. Opinions and yap.” (59:23)

Transcript

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[Mrs. Pearlmania]

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[Alex Perlman]

Hey, have you heard? The President of the United states is giving $40 billion to Argentina. And that triggered something in my wife Mrs. Pearl Mania. You know how that happens when she gets triggered? She gets clicking and she gets clicking on hyperlinks and tabs. And those tabs take her places that even I could not even imagine.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

I don't know how we got to make up influencer. I thought we did.

[Alex Perlman]

But you did. You take us all the way there. We're going to take you on a journey through rat lines, all the way from Germany to Argent, back up through Mexico City and landing in la and then to Indiana and beyond. On this week's episode of Too Many Tabs, remember to smile. Welcome to Too Many Tabs, a comedy history podcast where a husband and wife duo sit next to each other at a Table. My name is Alex Perlman, also known as Pearlmania 500.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

And sitting next to me is Mrs. Pearlmania.

[Alex Perlman]

On this show, we've had a button over here that we reference every now and then. It's the no Nazi guarantee button. We're not hitting that this week.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Can't hit that this week.

[Alex Perlman]

No.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Because I. This is trigger warning. This is going to be deep into the history of some of the things that Nazis did.

[Alex Perlman]

Yes.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

And this did not start out like this.

[Alex Perlman]

No.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

But I opened some tabs and it just. That's where it went.

[Alex Perlman]

You started researching on something that you haven't told me what that is.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And then you turned to me, I said, what is this week's episode about? And you said, Argentina in 1945.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And I said, oh, no. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah. And. And then you were like, there's a lot here.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

There's. I started opening tabs and at one point I was going to take a screenshot of it because I had like 20 open and I was literally just on page one of the Google Docs.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah. And that's. That's how these things go. But you have a lot. There's a lot of reasons we should be covering Argentina, especially right now.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Well, this is what happened.

[Alex Perlman]

Okay.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

The President just gave Argentina a lot of money.

[Alex Perlman]

$40 billion.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah. And that's money we could have used to fix up the White House and make a nice ballroom.

[Alex Perlman]

Yes, we could. We could have built a better. I was going to say feed people. I was going to say maybe use health care substances.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

He'll turn.

[Alex Perlman]

No, no.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Dig into ballrooms.

[Alex Perlman]

You want a ballroom?

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

I want Rose gardens.

[Alex Perlman]

Well, can I tell you right now. Can I tell you right now what? Paris is burning.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah, that's right.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

It's great. In the Lightning McQueen T shirt.

[Alex Perlman]

It is. I'm wearing a Lightning McQueen teacher. Lightning. Is it. Is this a dog whistle? Okay. No, no. Okay. Now, the one thing is, as we get into this, we are going to. You're going to be covering, as you told me before the show, this is about how Nazis got from Germany.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yes.

[Alex Perlman]

After the war, to Argentina.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yes.

[Alex Perlman]

And then a little bit on the impact of what that has.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah. So what happened was I was re. I was. I wanted to know why the President would give Argentina that much money. Also with all the stuff with the beef and the soybeans, like, there's a lot going on.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah. There's a lot of Argentina soy boys.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

I was clicking around and then I was like, oh, wait a Minute. Argentina has a very long history with Nazis in 1945.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

And then so I was researching, I got open a couple tabs on that, and then I fell down a hole and I started. I just kept clicking and it took me to a very strange situation that I. I'm very excited to tell you about.

[Alex Perlman]

Okay. And okay, so you're Babe Ruthing me right now. You're calling your shot.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

I'm calling it.

[Alex Perlman]

Thank God. That fingers out. I. You almost Elon Musk's heart goes out. You pointing like for the audio listeners. Sure. Finger was pointed out.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Pointing out like I was calling a home run.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah, I know, I know. But now anytime someone waves on right wing Twitter, they have to screenshot on Twitter. I know.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Not on right wing Twitter because you know why I care about my sanity.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

So I don't go on those websites.

[Alex Perlman]

Well, you can always go. I mean, we're going to start doing all of our research on Grokoped.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah. Oh, that's where I got all of this.

[Alex Perlman]

You got all of this. You found out exactly what the Nazis did.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

I said, is that true?

[Alex Perlman]

Grok, can I tell you something right now? Grok, just before we get into the main show, Grokopedia rolled out this week.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Okay.

[Alex Perlman]

Do you know what that is?

[Dana]

No.

[Alex Perlman]

It's Elon Musk's Wikipedia that has been 100% quote fact check by Grok. Most of it has just been scraped from Wikipedia. But people have noticed specific articles clearly have had a different editor come in to give them, like, any article about Elon. The, like an article about cyber trucks. Like, everybody thinks they're super cool, but the one about Adolf Hitler on Wikipedia, they're like, hey, just so you know, we want to get right into the fact that he did the Holocaust. He killed millions of people. Bad guy. Bad guy. That's in like the third or fourth sentence pretty quickly on Grokopedia. They're like, we're going to. That's not even in the first.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Oh, no.

[Alex Perlman]

Intro. They're like, we're not even going to bring up Architect of the Holocaust for a long time.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Okay. All right, so let's get started. Let's get into this. We got a lot to cover.

[Alex Perlman]

We got a lot. Okay.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

This is a history. This is a comedy history book.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah. I was going to say comedy comes first.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah. Which is difficult in this conversation.

[Alex Perlman]

It is.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

I know. Okay, so I want to talk to you about rat lines. Do you know what rat lines are?

[Alex Perlman]

Okay, I'm going to assume this isn't the Hairline of conservative influencers.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

No, this isn't a line of people trying to cross a picket line to be skipped.

[Alex Perlman]

Scabs was Scabby the Rat.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Scabby the rat, baby.

[Alex Perlman]

Okay. No, this is not that. Okay, what is a rat line?

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Okay, so a rat line were the systems of escape routes used by the German Nazis and other fascists to flee Europe after World War II. Okay. So the escape routes they took are called rat lines.

[Alex Perlman]

Wait, they're under. So the Nazi underground railroad to escape justice. Yes, And Nuremberg trials and everything. Any sort of culpability for what they did.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Was called a rat line.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

The rat line. Yeah. Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Okay, so.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Okay, so these. The rat line's roots mainly led toward. Towards havens in South America, Argentina, Brazil, Chile, and Paraguay. Okay.

[Alex Perlman]

Which is, like, most of the land mass of most of the land. But not all. Not all of these countries.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

No.

[Alex Perlman]

But. But most. When you're looking at South America, it's.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Like the bottom focus on Argentina, because that's where I started this. Like, what y. What's going on?

[Alex Perlman]

Well, Argentina, famously. It's like, pretty famously. There was a.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

You say famously, but not everyone knows this kind of stuff.

[Alex Perlman]

Okay, that's true. But when it comes to South America, and especially in. All Right. It's because I watch a lot of movies from the 70s. This is one of those things, you know? But there's, like, the boys from Brazil, which is about people who are trying to clone Hitler. And then there was a bunch of other different things about. There was always this, like, theory that Hitler didn't actually kill himself.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah. That he faked it and then moved to Argentina.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah. And this was one of those ranges. I think the Simpsons even have, like, a joke about it.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And all these different things.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

So there were. There were really only two primary rat lines. Routes from Germany to South America. And when I say rat lines, like. Like you were saying underground railroad style. Like, they're. They're talking between themselves. There's. There's people helping. There's places to stay.

[Alex Perlman]

There's little nodes.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

There's. There's people of, like, international committees that are working together to get the paperwork right. Like, who's getting you on a boat? Who's getting you on a plane?

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Like, there's all these different things happening. So there's two primary routes in the rat lines, and they were developed independently. So there were just, like, Nazi fascists that were trying to escape, and they're coming up with their own ways to do it. But then they had collaborators, and eventually the operators of these ratlines got together and kind of like made one big ratline.

[Alex Perlman]

It's always crazy to me that we still use the term collab, like, because of, like, whenever. Whenever I first heard the term collaborator, they're like, oh, my God, so and so is doing a collab. I was like, oh, don't be a collaborator.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Whoa. This is not a collab.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah, but these. But these collaborators are Nazi folks.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Here's one of the collaborators I found out about the Catholic Church.

[Alex Perlman]

Oh, shit. Which is crazy because that's crazy because of how many Catholics. There were a lot of Catholics who were. What's the word I'm looking for?

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Killed.

[Alex Perlman]

Persecuted by the Holocaust. There were many that were killed, but also persecuted in other different ways.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yes.

[Alex Perlman]

Because the Catholic Church was targeted. The Catholic Church also, though, did do collaborations with the Nazis and with Benito Mussolini's fascist government in Italy. That's the reason that. The reason Vatican City is a zone nation state is because of Mussolini. And. And because that the Vatican and the. The Pope in Rome did not. He didn't view the nation of Italy as a proper nation. He's like, some of those lands are mine. You can't just combine them. I have a historical right. Blah. And finally they're like, how about this? You shut up and then you can be your own country.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

And they're like, all right, look at.

[Alex Perlman]

Me, I'm a pope.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

So specifically, I found this one bishop. His name is Aloy. What do you think? Aloy.

[Alex Perlman]

I go with Aloy.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Aloy. Aloy Hudol. And he was an Austrian bishop and a rector at the Catholic seminary for Austrian and German priests in Rome.

[Alex Perlman]

God. Okay, that makes a lot of sense why he would be involved then.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yes.

[Alex Perlman]

So just real fast for the listeners who don't know, okay. Austria was enveloped into Germany because Hitler was from Austria and he wanted to combine all the German peoples into one super state. And this is a long running system that had run throughout like over 200 years of these tiny little German states getting gobbled up into a larger German empire and then Austria, Hungary, all these different things. He. They enveloped Austria. And this guy being number one, an Austrian bishop in Rome. So for. Probably for most of the war. Right. He's down in Rome. So he's. He's not developed directly into the war, but his job of being a German Austrian SEM Instructor for the seminary.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And in charge of that means his. I want you guys to think of Game of Thrones.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah. Okay.

[Alex Perlman]

The bald guy who's like, my little.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Birds yeah, yeah, yeah. Little. Not Little Finger.

[Alex Perlman]

Not Little Finger.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Ah, what's his name?

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah, you know, I'm talking about the eunuch. Anyway, it's very similar to that where these priests, they're all over Germany, Austria and all these different areas. And so they're coming back and they're telling him stories. Varys.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

He had the worst ending. I was so mad at the way they killed him.

[Alex Perlman]

Well, I was so mad at that whole show. I was so mad at the whole show at the end. Listen, people tell me all the time, watch House of the Dragon. I'm not doing it. Fool me once, shame on. Shame on you. Fool me twice I won't be fooled again.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Go Birds.

[Alex Perlman]

Go Birds.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

I said go Birds. Cuz I just picked up my cup and it has.

[Alex Perlman]

But also. I won't be fooled again I won't be fooled again. Okay, so he, he is always Hudo.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

He. After the end of the war. After the end of the war, Hudal became active, administering to German speaking prisoners of war who were being held in camps throughout Italy.

[Alex Perlman]

Okay. When the reason why there were German war criminals. German prisoners, because not all of them were war criminals. Some of them were just soldiers being held in internment camps all across Italy. Is Benito Mussolini was overthrown during World War II. Hitler then sent the German military in and reinstalled Mussolini.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And so then he occupied Italy, like basically Rome up of Italy for a while. And so there was a lot of fighting in Italy and there was a whole thing about it.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah. So Hudo used his position as bishop to aid the escape of wanted Nazi war criminals. He was like, later they. They interviewed him about it and he was unabashedly open about his role in all of this.

[Alex Perlman]

Oh, wow.

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[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Some of these men were being held in internment camps and didn't have identifying papers, so he would help them register under false names. And he actually used. He had contacts at the Red Cross, like the actual Red Cross, and he used the Red Cross to help him get these papers.

[Alex Perlman]

Oh, wow.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Face. Fake names.

[Alex Perlman]

And that's something to keep in mind for, again, for the listeners, because we're looking at all this in the context of today. Yeah, we're looking at this in the context of a time where everything about us is completely interconnected in the world. And it feels very hard to move at all in our current world with any anonymity. Yeah, right. Because of ring cameras, because of our phones. Credit report, any of these different things. Credit reports in America didn't exist till 1987. That's the reason why I used to hear all these stories. Beyond just the fact they had more money and the money actually was worth more. You hear all these stories about, like, dude who goes three towns over and becomes a different person.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Or has a second family or any of those different things. Like, there was a disconnect. Like, you just. You. You just went to a town and someone was like, oh, he's a good dude. And that was it. That was your credit. Yeah, your credit. Your social credit, literally was somebody going, oh, he's fine. And then on a piece of paper, like a driver's license or a password, anything, it was just, like, two or three stamps. It didn't go to a centralized location. A lot of these things in America, especially, like, a lot of your documentation was run by just some person at a local office who. A series of people stamped down the line. So in this case, when you have a. A cardinal working with the Red Cross going, no, that's just Timmy. Yeah, that's Tim. That's not. You think. You think he did a concentration camp? No, sir. He is a good boy. I know his mother. He's good. And then like, all right. And like, imagine you're an American soldier, Right. American or French or British soldier working there. And you're saying there's, like, the priest in front. Bishop is standing in front of you telling you is a good guy.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Listen. But also, it could just be the Red Cross person that worked there was also a fascist. So it could also.

[Alex Perlman]

There is also that there were collaborators in America. There were Collaborate like we, we gloss over them all the time.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

There was a famous, famous at Madison Square Garden. Nazi rally at Madison Square Garden. Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

The guy from the Kill Tony bomb there.

[Alex Perlman]

That is Tony Hinchcliffe. Yeah. No, I'm talking about in 1930.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Oh, yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

I'm not.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

I just thought they just went there actually.

[Alex Perlman]

I think it was like in the 1920s. No, no, it wasn't. Tony Hinchcliffe. Tony Hinchcliffe was not headlining that Nazi rally.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

But he did headline a Nazi rally.

[Alex Perlman]

No, he opened. Tony Hinchcliffe opened. Remember? That's why he bombed when he got up with that Puerto Rico joke.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

That's.

[Alex Perlman]

They would. Tony.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Very specifically comedy. Hurtful.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah, it is because. Yeah. Tony Hitch. Oh, hi, I'm Tony Hinchcliffe. I release hours of content. It's not yours, it's you sitting at a panel talking shit on people who have the bravery to get up and actually tell jokes. Wow. If you were brave, you would admit who you are about yourself. Tony Inchcliffe.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Let me tell you about this bishop's memoirs, okay. Because again, I said he is like he does he. There's no ashamed of what he's did. Here's a quote from one of his memoirs.

[Alex Perlman]

Okay.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

I thank God that he allowed me to visit and comfort many victims in their prisons and concentration camps and to help them escape with false identity papers.

[Alex Perlman]

When he says that, is he talking about people in concentration camps before 1945?

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

No, he's talking about the Nazis being held in Italy in internment camps. Yes.

[Alex Perlman]

He's talking about them being held in prisoner of war camps.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yes.

[Alex Perlman]

Not in concentration camps where they're concentrating together entire groups of people to ethnically cleanse them.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

See, but he's, he's, he's saying that. No, it was, it was, it was.

[Alex Perlman]

Different because it was his people. Yeah, it was different because it was his people.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

So because he saw Germans who had the same beliefs as him being held inside of barbed wire, he said that can't happen.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And meanwhile his belief was people who are different than me should be held inside a barbed wire.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yes.

[Alex Perlman]

Oh, okay.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Another quote. The Allies war against Germany was not a crusade, but the rivalry of economic complexes for whose victory they had been fighting this so called business used catch words like democracy, race, religious liberty and Christianity as a bait for the masses. All these experiences were the reason why I felt duty bound after 1945 to devote my whole charitable work mainly to former national socialists and fascists, especially these so called, quote, war criminals.

[Alex Perlman]

I just want to say that the fact he put after 1945 in there is crazy. But also, the front half of that quote is verbatim shit that I have seen on TikTok of people falling for translated Hitler quotes. Oh, there's a whole thing on TikTok of people. Because on TikTok, and especially, like, here, we might have an issue with YouTube because we've said the word Nazi and Hitler and we're talking about the Holocaust. All these different things. Sometimes they're filming changing the name of.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

The channel to History Channel.

[Alex Perlman]

History Channel, the comedy history podcast this week. Nazis. No, but that's in general, like. But Algo speak, right?

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

On TikTok, you've heard people say Yahtzees for a long time on. They'll say. Instead of Hitler, they'll say, mustache man. A big one is they'll say, oh, this speech from the painter. They call Hitler the painter. And then they play, and it's these really terrifying fucking videos where you hear this man yelling. And then they came for us. And this is a war that we've been fighting for a very long time. It is about economics. We need the Lehmanstraum to grill and build upon. They're sitting, and you see these people sitting in their cars.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

In Idaho, in fucking Missouri, all across the middle of the fucking nowhere. These people sitting alone, listening to this AI voice. And they'll be like, oh, they never played me this in high school. Why would they play. They wouldn't play you a Hitler speech in high school. They wouldn't. They never translated these for me. You can read Mein Kampf. It's. It's a lunatic's diary. Yeah, It's a lunatic's prison diary.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Loved methamphetamines.

[Alex Perlman]

This. It's. Everything listed in there is fucking dumb. Right. And so this is almost direct Nazi propaganda quotes that they were telling the German people.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

That America specifically is fighting us. America and the British and others. This is. This is actually just. This is an economic war.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

All of this is an economic war. That's why a lot of the Nazis were shocked when they were told the only way to end the war was total capitulation. They were shocked when they're like, the only way that this war ends is if we do total surrender. Because that wasn't the norm in the past. Big major wars like this would have. You would negotiate.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

You would come in and go, okay, well, these things will happen. But, like, all right, so like, maybe 20% of our leaders. These guys over you specifically hate. These three guys will exile them. We'll do this type of stuff. I mean, look at, like, Napoleon killed millions of people, right? Napoleon ended up on an island twice. The first one was a super nice island, like right near France that he just hopped. He got bored and hopped on a.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Boat and floated back, bro, just stay on your island.

[Alex Perlman]

The second one, they put him in an island in the middle of fucking nowhere till he died of stomach cancer or was poisoned. That's a whole different thing.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

I mean, I don't know. That's a different history.

[Alex Perlman]

I know, but this is the context that these Nazis were in, which is why they were so shocked by the end of the war.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And also at the same exact time, they had the Soviets coming the other side and just. Just pushing their shit in. Just really pushing their shit in.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

So it's estimated that 9,000 Nazi war criminals and their collaborators escaped to South America.

[Alex Perlman]

Nine thousand?

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah. And that's not including, like, wives and kids. That's just the men being.

[Alex Perlman]

These are just the individual men. And a lot of them did have families.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And so then we're not including the kids that were then raised in Argentina being told how things were good beforehand. We're not including the wives who are then integrating themselves into cultures and making sure that everybody, you know, like dropping little dog whistles and little ideas throughout everything.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Okay, so listen, here's what I want to do, Okay. I have a list of some of the people that this bishop actually helped specifically.

[Alex Perlman]

So you have a reverse Schindler's List situation.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

I do have a reverse Schindler's List, but I think after we take a little break, we'll come back. I need to take a deep breath.

[Alex Perlman]

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[Mrs. Pearlmania]

You get your dope rope.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

And then you go upstairs and you close the door, and then you disappear for a few hours, and the next morning you're refreshed.

[Alex Perlman]

I'm a little bit more chill.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

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[Mrs. Pearlmania]

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[Alex Perlman]

Oh, boy. Oh, wow. It's a me, Chef Pepe Pepperoni. Just want to say thank you so much for the sponsor on this episode. That is totally not a bomber whatsoever. We love whatever the sponsor was that was there. You were very lovely. And if you don't want to hear the sponsors, always join us at pearlmania500.net and remember, we are probably being suppressed by the man. Right. Because you trying to sell a pizza or maybe a T shirt. Mrs. Pearl Mania. Show them the T shirt. Look at that. It says a miscellaneous immorality and it has things on it like a John Brown potatoes, the board and soup. We love all of this. Check the show notes down below. And now. Hello, Mrs. P. We go back to the show. It says, me Pepe, Chef Pepe Pepperoni.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

To be clear, for the audio listeners that just experienced what I can only assume was incredible chaos, we have a puppet and it's a.

[Alex Perlman]

It's not a puppet. That's a man.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

It's a piece of.

[Alex Perlman]

That's a fully fleshed out man. A fully fleshed out chef Pepe Pepperoni, who is very good at making gluten free pizzas.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

It's true.

[Alex Perlman]

It's very. A lot of people, by the way, a lot of people were very upset with you. Or they air 80 lasagna.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Oh, it's my fault that the grocery prices are crazy.

[Alex Perlman]

A lot of people didn't hear you say gluten free lasagna in that noodle.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Prices are literally double because it's gluten free.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

And then on top, so is ground beef, tomatoes, mozzarella. I had to get parmesan, which I shaved myself.

[Alex Perlman]

Yep.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

I guess what. And this is going to Be listeners that cook or understand had to buy olive oil, you know. Jesus Christ.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Price of olive oil.

[Alex Perlman]

And. And. But it was all worth it because everybody enjoyed the episode. We enjoyed the lasagna.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

After we recorded the episode, we all went downstairs and ate lasagna.

[Alex Perlman]

We ate a lasagna. And then we all looked over. His name was Dust Kickstarter for his secret garden party Adventure club.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Which is still. We're still gonna put in the show notes down below. If you're in a D and D, check that out. Now back to our reverse Schindler's List, because. Feel like I'm. Does it feel like I'm padding, guys? Does it feel like I'm padding?

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

It's. We're. We're walking a tight line.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah. A rat line. Hey, no, don't high five that. Don't high five that. Don't.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Okay, so here's a list of some of the people that specifically this Bishop Hudal helped escape to Argentina.

[Alex Perlman]

Can we call him a bitch up?

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah, of course.

[Alex Perlman]

All right. This bitch up.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

And when I get these names wrong, I'm doing it unapologetically because fuck these people. Even in the grave.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Okay. Franz Stangle. He was the commanding officer of the Treblinka extermination camp.

[Alex Perlman]

Okay.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Okay.

[Alex Perlman]

So that was. This is one of the guys that he helped get out.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yes.

[Alex Perlman]

From Treblinka.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

That is like a very well known, terrifying camp.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yes.

[Alex Perlman]

Okay.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Gustav Wagner, who was the commanding officer at Sobibor extermination camp. Okay. Aloy Bruner, who was responsible for the Drancy internment camp near Paris and also in charge of deportations in Slovakia to other concentration camps. Okay. Eric Priebke, he was responsible for the Adria teen massacre. Adolf Eichmann, who's considered the architect of the Holocaust.

[Alex Perlman]

Yes. And he specifically. If you have hbo, Max, I think it's on there still. There is a movie about them coming up with, like, how, like, the meeting they have. I think it has. I think it's Stanley Tucci in it. I'll have to check. But it's. It's. It's a very, very good movie of, like, explaining that side of things. Eichmann is also. Was famously then caught and then he was put on trial in Israel later.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And this was part of, like, a big deal with that when they were hunting down the Nazis afterwards. Yeah. It was. It was what inspired the scene of Magneto killing Nazis in Argentina.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

In X Men, Not First Class, I think might have been first class. Or is it the second movie?

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

I don't know.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

And then. Okay, so when I was looking at the people he helped, he did not. We. There's no definite documentation proving that he specifically helped Joseph Mengele escape, who is considered the angel of Death. That was his nickname. However, Joseph Mengele did end up using the same rat lines to flee to Argentina. So whether this priest did it specifically or not, he was part of putting these rat lines.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah, he was part of creating the pathways.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Exactly.

[Alex Perlman]

It's almost as if he. It's almost the same as being like creating a trail.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah, exactly.

[Alex Perlman]

Like in the middle of the woods. Like. Yeah. You don't know exactly who's going to use it, but yeah, I looked it up. By the way, the movie is called Conspiracy, starring Kenneth Branagh, Stanley Tucci, Colin Firth and others. It's a very, very, very good movie about kind of just like how these. They analytically sat there and like, how do we kill this many people?

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

How do we set up. What type of gas should we use? We. The using the mobile units versus building them. What's our target dates? All these different things. And I just think about it a lot. I think about this movie a lot right now, especially as I hear mass deportation numbers and others and how much they're like, these are. These are the quotas.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah. Every time they're talking about their quotas.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah, we need 3,000 a day. Yeah. There's a specific quotas beget in humanity. And when you start looking at people less as human beings and as just numbers in a spreadsheet, that's much easier to hit delete on an entire cell.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah, Real quick. I did, because then I was like looking at Joseph Mengele, which I don't recommend.

[Alex Perlman]

Don't do that.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

But I was, I. I tried to stay in the context of the flying to Argentina, where he was. He was assisted by the government. The government helped him get legal ID and a passport.

[Alex Perlman]

The government of where?

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Argentina.

[Alex Perlman]

Argentina specifically.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yes.

[Alex Perlman]

Got it.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

The Argentinian government helped him get legal ID and a passport. And they basically left him alone. They were like, we know who he is, we know what he did, whatever. But the Argentinian authorities did at a certain point turn on him because when he was there, he set up like a local business with his family or whatever. And one of the things he was doing was performing back alley abortions. And a young girl died, a teen girl died after one of his back alley abortions. Allegedly.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

And he has a flee to Paraguay for like months to hide out while they eventually forgot about it and couldn't put prove it was him. And so at the end of the day, he was basically kicked out of Argentina because he was performing abortions, not because of anything else he did.

[Alex Perlman]

Jesus Christ. Okay, yeah, yeah.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

So, okay, so then here's what happens. I'm reading this and I'm finding out about how the Argentinian government helped Mengele. Right. And then I'm like, what the fuck's going on with the Argentinian government?

[Alex Perlman]

Right.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Because again, this all started with the Argentinian government. Why do they need.

[Alex Perlman]

Because why would the Argentinian government of today is getting $40 billion.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Exactly.

[Alex Perlman]

Okay.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

And so then I. I find out about this German Argentinian millionaire named Ludwig Freud with an e at the end. Different Freud.

[Alex Perlman]

Okay, 40.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

40. Ludwig Freud, who's a millionaire back then, would have been what? A billionaire.

[Alex Perlman]

Got it.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

He was aligned with Nazi intelligence and coordinated contributions from Nazi collaborators to Juan Perrone's 1946 presidential campaign.

[Alex Perlman]

Wait, Juan Perrone?

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yes.

[Alex Perlman]

From Evita.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yes. From the Broadway show about Ava Perron, his wife.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Juan Perrone, who was running for, I think, his third term at this point.

[Alex Perlman]

Wait, Don't Cry for Me, Argentina Madonna.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yes.

[Alex Perlman]

That Juan Perrone.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yes.

[Alex Perlman]

If y'. All haven't. In the 90s, I want you to know there was a moment where they were like, don't cry for. It was everywhere. Well, they're doing the Broadway thing now where they're late. Lady walks out on, like, the. Out onto the street, and she sings it to everyone from the balcony.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah. Well, Ava Perron has a much different history than Juan Perrone because she is kind of sanctified. She's considered a saint.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah. She's like, they're. She's like their Princess Diana.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Exactly. She's there.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah. No, no, I know, I know.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

And apparently we're all just ignoring the fact that she was married to Juan Peroni. Yeah, I guess so.

[Alex Perlman]

But one Peron also is. Was a highly. Like, he is in. He's integral in Argentina.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yes.

[Alex Perlman]

The Peronist party. His party was like this current president they have now Malay, defeated a Peronist party. They keep acting like, oh, he keeps yelling, we defeated the socialists. We defeated the communists. We got all these. They're Peronis.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Who were like fascist. Fascist allies. This guy is just like a psycho libertarian. On top of that is there's. This is just like one of the things I always find interesting is once you get out of Western Europe and America, none of the lines make sense.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Like, when you're. When you get to some. Like, there's certain countries when you're like, yeah, I'm a liberal. People like, you fucking racist. You're like, what?

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Wait, what?

[Alex Perlman]

And then you're like, wait, that means in, like, I think it's Australia. Like, liberals are the conservatives.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Because, you know, the water goes backwards, too. But there's just, like. There's. There's things like this when you get outside of. Especially a Western, heterodox worldview, you're suddenly like, oh, shit. Okay, I have to relearn all the terms.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

We all could be saying everything in English, but the words mean the exact opposite.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

And you're like, maybe I'll try to figure out how India's government works.

[Alex Perlman]

No. Never gonna happen. Never gonna happen.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

No way.

[Alex Perlman]

No way.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Okay, so Juan Perrone appointed Santiago Peralta, who was an avowed anti Semi. Anti Semite.

[Alex Perlman]

Okay.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

As his immigration commissioner. And Ludwig Freud, the millionaire. Right. His son Rodolfo, as the head of the country's first intelligence bureau. So we got Santiago the anti Semite, and Ludwig the Nepo baby.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Running the Intelligence Bureau. That's going to help with streamlining, getting the Nazis in.

[Alex Perlman]

And meanwhile, there already were a lot of Germans living in this area.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

This is Doge.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah, no, I know. I understand that. I'm just saying, though, the reason why you're hearing all these German names.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Is you're hearing them because there was a ton of German. There had been a lot of German migration.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

From Germany even before World War II. So there was all these, like, German colonies and things like that in the area. But you're completely right, though. This is Doge.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

It's Doge.

[Alex Perlman]

They're coming in, and they're slowly taking over areas of the government that most people wouldn't notice or think are that important.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah. You got a devout anti Semite, you got the Stephen Miller or whatever, and then you got a Nepo baby who's just rich. And that's Elon.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

And they're going to come help with the Intelligence Bureau.

[Alex Perlman]

What, an immigration.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah, yeah. So the two. These two guys aided European war criminals by streamlining their pathway to citizenship and.

[Alex Perlman]

Employing them like a golden visa.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

And employing them within their government departments.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah. Gave them jobs.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yep.

[Alex Perlman]

The same way. Like a South African farmer.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Look at that. You guys know that the only refugees we're taking right now are white South African farmers to America. And then they get here and, like, this place sucks. And we're like, yeah, dude, you got to go. Welcome to hell.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

And These. These guys obviously coordinated and collaborated closely with the rat line.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah, of course. Yeah. They're the end. They're the end goal of the rat line.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Exactly.

[Alex Perlman]

Canada. Argentina is Nazi Canada.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Oh, my God.

[Alex Perlman]

Does that make sense? So when viewing it the way the Underground Railroad. No, I want to. I want to explain it.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Okay. Like, that's. That's the. That's in the same way that Canada were like a highly northern state where they didn't think that slave catchers would cross the borders.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Before Civil War, Canada was like the end goal for a lot of different people of, like, how we get enslaved peoples out so they wouldn't be able to. Slave catchers couldn't cross into Canada. It's the same thing with getting them to Argentina.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Under the hope of. At least then we'll have international law.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Nazi hunters couldn't get them.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah. Because. Because they didn't think that Nazi hunters would go to the lengths they did.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah. We should do a whole episode on the Nazi hunters.

[Alex Perlman]

We. We could, but then I don't like how some of their kids turned out.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Okay.

[Alex Perlman]

Okay.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

So some of the refugees. That's what they called themselves. The refugees immerse themselves in Latin America by pretending to be farmers and. Or Catholic.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

And I just. The thing is, it's just so crazy to me because Nazis hate Catholics. And so it's like, not only did Catholics help them, but then they're going to pretend to be Catholics to, like, so that they can go unnoticed.

[Alex Perlman]

Well, so here's the thing is actually the Nazi hierarchy hated Catholics.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

The average Nazi, the average soldier, the average person in that area, they were kind of indifferent. The reason why the Nazis hated the Catholic Church was because it was a counter institution to their power.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And so if you have over here a Nazi leader telling you you need to kill 15 people from your hometown because they're different. And a Catholic priest stands up, goes, guys, just so you know, the Bible says this is bad, then you're going to be mad at the Catholic priest because he's getting in the way the same way Catholic priests right now are standing up.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

And outside of shot in the head with pepper balls. Pepper balls?

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah, pepper balls. The CIA famously ran throughout the South America killing Catholic nuns and saying, and I quote, they're more than just nuns. They were activists. Like, this is stuff that, like, that was the seventies under liberation theology and all these other different things that have come up over time. There's a lot inside of this of, like, these little strands that you can unpack here they get fucking crazy.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Listen, I couldn't do all of them. Okay. There's only so much time.

[Alex Perlman]

No, eventually you end up just kind of like frothing at the mouth and like it was. It's always been bad. But the, the, the in this case, what these guys are doing, pretending to be Catholic because Argentina is also very heavily Catholic country.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

But also there were other people but went to other areas that pretended to be Jews. Yeah, they pretend to be all sorts of different things. And then when asked about the war, they would always come back with like, oh, I was just a private. Because every man, every German man who was in Germany at one point or another was had, if you were able bodied, had to fight in the war. Yeah, they were. At the end they were taking kids and old men, you know, so it's just like, it's a total destruction.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

So listen. Yeah, let's take a break. We need to breathe again.

[Alex Perlman]

Oh, yeah. You sure? We should breathe again?

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

So let's take a break and when we come back, I want to talk about a different religion that the Nazi leadership said was okay.

[Alex Perlman]

All right. We want to thank whoever is here that's on this next part before supporting our comedy history podcast. It is a me chef Pepe Pizzeria. Was it pepperoni?

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

I don't remember.

[Alex Perlman]

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[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Nice.

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[Alex Perlman]

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[Dana]

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[Alex Perlman]

Okay, now back to the show.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

This puppet. Okay.

[Alex Perlman]

Okay.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

So it's either.

[Alex Perlman]

Listen, there's only so many ways that I can cope, all right? It's either clown makeup, a board, or this puppet. This is how I talk it to the world when it seems too dangerous.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

So the Seventh Day Adventist Church. What do you know about them?

[Alex Perlman]

Oh, God. Almost every lunatic religion, like, offshoot, cult, religiony thing. Yeah, there's Seventh Day Adventist is, like, right there.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

It's always like, this guy became a Seventh Day Adventist. Two years later was like, I got my own thing. And then like, every single. It's. It's like this. It's like the building block. It's the starter kit.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah, it's.

[Alex Perlman]

It's your. It's your Warhammer 40K starter kit. And then before you know it, you're like, I've created my own special chapter. These guys are the Pepe Pizzerias. And they're just super cool dudes. They're a spin off of the Dark angels.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Wait, I think I remember. You told me those were bad.

[Alex Perlman]

What?

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

The dark angels.

[Alex Perlman]

Dark angels are. No. Okay. Don't ask.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Okay.

[Alex Perlman]

All right. The fallen are bad.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

The fallen are bad.

[Alex Perlman]

The fallen of the dark angels are bad. All right, I'm holding a pizza puppet on camera.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

All right, all right. So the Seventh Day Adventist.

[Alex Perlman]

Seventh Day Adventist.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

So then here's me. I open a tab about the Seventh Day Adventist because I was, like, looking at the different religions.

[Alex Perlman]

Are they the ones who.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Who.

[Alex Perlman]

They do church on Saturday?

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yes.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah, they're Saturday. Church.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

They're Saturday.

[Alex Perlman]

You would think that wouldn't break your brain.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Church breaks your brain.

[Alex Perlman]

Saturday, church. You. You need a day off, and then you need church.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yes.

[Alex Perlman]

If you're gonna do church.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

So, yeah, so I started looking up clicky, click, clicky. Yeah, because I was so, like, I was so shocked about the Catholic stuff that I was like, well, what other religions were kind of going on at this point. And Seventh Day Adventists came up, Right?

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

So the rise of Adolf Hitler was enthusiastically welcomed by the Adventist leaders. One leader saying it was a refreshing spirit of reformation. Another regarded Hitler as God's chosen, praising his avoidance of alcohol, nicotine and a vegetarian lifestyle.

[Alex Perlman]

Oh, look at that. He's just a good guy. Yeah, just good guy with clean living.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah. Because the Adventists are really in the. Clean living living.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah. Actually when we did two years ago when we were focusing a lot more on like the late 1800s. Yeah. A lot of those, like the Kellogg's and all those other different guys. When it came into like these crazy health food diets and a lot of their ideas were wrapped in Seventh Day Adventist scripture.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yes, exactly. So the Adventists supported Hitler, believing he guaranteed religious freedom.

[Alex Perlman]

Okay, give me a second here. Just gotta. I have to, I have to. I have to also keep in mind, number one, and this is, I heard another history podcast talking about. This is one of the horrors of World War II is in that they didn't. Not everyone knew. They didn't have the experience of hindsight. Right. And so the idea of saying that the Nazis would guarantee religious freedom and then knowing what they were doing to the Jews, even knowing what they were saying about the Jews at the time, it doesn't click to us in a modern sensibility. These people are also. But there also was a time, you have to understand that in Europe especially there would be waves of anti. Semitism. Yeah. Where there would be like a five year period where they're like, we're gonna do it. They're called them pogroms. We're gonna do a bunch of pogroms. The same way in America we would have race riots the same way you would have these waves of lynchings of black people. In Europe, you had waves of lynchings and having whole villages burned down. All these other things in pogroms of Jews because they needed to have some sort of scapegoat outsider to go after.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yes.

[Alex Perlman]

And so this, the Nazis were very good at being able to industrialize this. And that was what's so shocking. That's why when we look at things like the ICE poster of them saying there's there's enemies at the gate and that there are, that they're knights holding up swords on Instagram. You're like, wait, that's Nazi shit. And it's because ICE and DHS is trying to industrialize the propaganda in that same way. They're trying to pump these things out. And who do you go look towards Then this example.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Because they did it and they're willing to use the weapons and the tools in this way while claiming that it doesn't corrupt them themselves.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

So in one of the towns that in Germany, where they had a really high Adventist population, 99.9% of the population voted for the Nazi party. Okay. So they're. They're behind it, right?

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Now, the leader of the Seventh Day Adventist Church in Germany from 1937 to 1950 was a man named Adolf Mink.

[Alex Perlman]

Imagine being that one guy who didn't vote for it. Anyway, there's all I know right now, there's a lot of listeners who are blue dots out there. I know that there's a lot of you who are blue dots out there. And I just want to say thank you.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Thank you. And you're sane. Not only do we see you and we hear you. Ready? All right. Okay. All right. Nancy Pelosi. More. We're not gonna live up on that, but just more in general of just like we know.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And that's why I just want to say of, like, in that context of. It's hard to be the only person that you can see, which is why the no Kings protests and other things like that are important. So you know that other people are actually around you.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Counter protesting is important on this type of stuff. I'm sorry.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

It's okay. So Adolf Mink. M I, N C K Mink. He's the president of the Central European division of the church in Germany. Okay. So he's the guy who's in charge of the church. Upon becoming leader of the church in 1933, Mink declared, quote, we are not unprepared for the new order, pledging to support the Nazi regime's agenda. Okay.

[Alex Perlman]

Okay.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

In.

[Alex Perlman]

So that's the leader of the Seventh Day Adventist Church for Central Europe.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yes.

[Alex Perlman]

Okay.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

In 1936, the Nazi state banned the Seventh Day Adventist reform movement because like you said, there's always these, like, little movements.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Splinter movements. So the Nazis banned the splinter reform movement.

[Alex Perlman]

That's not freedom of religion.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Hey, hey.

[Alex Perlman]

Whoa, hey.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

The Adventist leadership promptly issued a directive prohibiting members from associating with reformist Adventists and excluding all Adventists of Jewish descent from the church and forbidding aid to them.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah. And this is another thing that was very different. It was a change from the 1800s. Back in the day, you could convert out of Judaism.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

You could. When we did an episode a long time ago about the Spanish Inquisition, one of the things was the own the San Inquisition targeted conversios, which are people who converted from Judaism to Catholicism in Spain because that was who were under church jurisdiction.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

But over time it was like as people converted, it changed and the word anti Semite changed and exists because especially in Central Europe, there were views of they. It's not their belief, it's not their religion that makes them this way. There's something inherent, there's something genetic, there's something race about a Jewish person versus a Christian person versus a German versus a Bavarian versus a Britain. You know, all these different people like as it came together. And so in the past, if you were a Christian and you would accept anyone else who had converted to accept Jesus Christ as their savior, that was it. That was how you get into heaven. That's how you get accepted into the community. But now the Seventh Day Adventists themselves are saying you can't even get out of that. Yeah, they're saying it doesn't matter if three generations ago your grandfather slept with a Jewish woman and that was your, your great grandfather and that was your grandpa. You aren't allowed to be even in our, our group anymore. Yeah, you're completely being ostracized and cut out. Completely. That was mad different. That was a huge change and that was a societal change that you've had. And part of that which has been coming up a lot recently was learned from America. That is part of the one drop rule when looking at racial purity in America, especially among black people in the south and when you had people that were of mixed race descent. So if you had, quote, one drop of black blood in your family history, then you were racially black according to the statistics and everything else here in America versus how you identify. Didn't fudgeing matter.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

According to America. And that idea coming, coming kind of circling back into Europe is where the terrifyingness comes from. It's a cyclical look.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah. So in 1940, Mink stated that every Adventist would fulfill their duty to, quote, fulfill their duty, quote, during this time of war, citing Romans 7:12, which says the law is holy and the commandment is holy, so we have to follow the law.

[Alex Perlman]

So I think that might be almost exactly the same one that was quoted. That exact actual passage was quoted in some documents from the early 2000s of what was supposed to be disseminated to preachers in the time of like national distress in America, like under like some Patriot act ideas. Yeah, there's quite a few of those of just like, hey, just so you know, because there's like some weird. That one Was what Romans, did you say?

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah, Romans.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah, yeah. Those are Paul's letters. There's a few different things in there of them being like, hey, sometimes you just gotta do what the government says because the government wouldn't be the government unless God, like, God chooses. God's so great that if there's any government that exists, that's because God liked them. Unless it's a government I don't like, then they're the enemies of God.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah. Okay, so throughout the Third Reich, mink compiled. Oh. So throughout the Third Reich, mink complied with Nazi directives, including those requiring work on Saturdays, their sacred day.

[Alex Perlman]

Look at that.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Huh.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

They changed the whole religion to comply.

[Alex Perlman]

Huh. It's like. Like a Mormon drinking a Coke. Okay, keep going.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

After the war, he claimed, quote, the sword of Damocles hung over us all those years, asserting that his actions ensured the denomination survival without violating biblical principles.

[Alex Perlman]

Like working on Saturday.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah, like we're having to work on Saturday.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah, yeah. Which they. Which they stole from the Jews.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Mind you, they were like.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

No, they. Famously. The whole thing is that the Seventh Day Adventists steal from the Jewish texts. Yeah, they don't steal them, but they reference the.

[Alex Perlman]

Okay, the culture vultures.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

And that's where they get the seven Saturdays. That's where they get the idea being vegetarian and eating healthy. Like, there's all these very specifics. They definitely pick and choose. They're. They're cafeteria pickers.

[Alex Perlman]

The same. The same way that somebody who eats shrimp will also tell you that homosexuality is an abomination because they'll quote Leviticus even though in that same exact book they shouldn't be wearing polyester or blended.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Clothing or I'm wearing a blended cotton shirt right now.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah. What's it say?

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

It says miscellaneous and we're out.

[Alex Perlman]

And look at that. Miscellaneous and morality. Look at that. It's a good looking shirt.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

A little John Brown.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah. Go to the description.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Okay, so here's the thing about the Seventh Day Advent Church and many churches, actually.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

They love a mission. Right. They love going somewhere else, setting up shop and trying to convert some people.

[Alex Perlman]

Especially that place is nice. Especially that place is nice. Because you know why? You know why? Because you can do it as a write off. Oh, look at me.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

That's all the Mormons in Hawaii. Oh, God, no. So guess where they set up some missions.

[Alex Perlman]

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say Argentina.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yes, that's exactly how I got here.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Okay, so now from this point forward, this is all just opinion, comedy. Allegedly I just. Talking out my opinions. Okay. I'm just getting into some ideas from things I found, and I can't prove any of it, and I don't think I'm trying to. I'm just gonna tell you some stuff.

[Alex Perlman]

Okay. You're gonna tell me some things that you found on the Internet that are just happen to be.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

I'm gonna put some puzzle pieces together, and I want to hear what you think.

[Alex Perlman]

I don't think you're gonna put them together. I'm gonna say it this way. I think you're gonna lay some puzzle pieces on the table, and then we can all use our mental acuity to put those puzzle pieces snap together on our own individual ways. Because you're just laying out things in no particular order.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Talking man. Okay, this is a podcast.

[Alex Perlman]

This is a comedy history podcast. It's comedy. We're just. By the way, what's your degree in? Oh, oh, paralegal. Associate's degree. Yeah, I have a. I have an associate's degree in general studies.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

There's a comedy history podcast. Guys, we don't know.

[Alex Perlman]

We're talking about before we go any further, because I don't. I. I'm terrified now because you don't usually put this much. This much ahead. I just. We're yappers.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

That's all we do.

[Alex Perlman]

We.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah, Commentary. Okay.

[Alex Perlman]

This is yap. Opinions.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

So let's just say, okay, that two Seventh Day Adventist people are in Argentina working on a mission together.

[Alex Perlman]

2. Are they German?

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

They're German.

[Alex Perlman]

Two German Seventh Day Adventists go to Argentina to do a mission, and by.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Mission, they're born there.

[Alex Perlman]

Or they're born there.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah, yeah. But they're in Argentina of German descent, and they're Seventh Day Adventists. And they fall in love and they get married.

[Alex Perlman]

Oh, okay. That happens.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Then they move to Mexico to do another mission in Mexico. Okay, okay. And they have a baby. Okay, okay. And their baby is named. One of them. They have multiple kids, but one of their daughters, her name is Katherine Von Drakenberg. Okay. And I did want to just give you a quick sidebar real quick before we get into Catherine Von Drakenberg about the Vaughn of it all.

[Alex Perlman]

Okay.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Because sometimes German names that have Vaughn in them, they give you a specific vibe.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

A specific energy. And that's because von in German means of. Of this place. So the Nobles, pre 1945, People of Noble heritage or generally important would have Vaughn in their name so that they could show their caste.

[Alex Perlman]

Got it. So Vaughn is like. Oh, like so. Like in Italy.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Da. Vinci.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Exactly.

[Alex Perlman]

He is from Vinci. Like, that's that same sort of general idea.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Exactly.

[Alex Perlman]

Okay, got it. So.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

So of Philadelphia.

[Alex Perlman]

Got it.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

All right. So that's. That's where we're getting this. And again, after 1945, the use of Vaughan really stopped because the nobility was obviously ripped apart.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

By.

[Alex Perlman]

Well, the ability fell apart after World War I to a degree, but there were still nobles around who were still trying to hold on to that. And then Bavan is also so German.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

It's so German that then after the war, people want to, like. Especially if they were in America.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

They were trying to assimilate more and trying to hide some of their German heritage.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Or they wanted to wear von Dutch T shirts.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Okay. So I just. Just. That's what Vaughn comes from.

[Alex Perlman]

Theo Von Vaughn is not actually his last name.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

What's his last name?

[Alex Perlman]

It's like Von Ostershop is something really long with. Yeah, of course it is, because his family is Polish nobility.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

So Katherine von Drakenberg.

[Alex Perlman]

Okay.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Also known as Kat Von D. Famous tattoo artist, makeup mogul, and now current Christian influencer.

[Alex Perlman]

Kat Von D. Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Kat Von D from LA Inc. Kat Von D. Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Kat Von D. The Von D is for Von Drakenberg.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah. Mm. Do you want to take a quick break? We'll come back and maybe we'll unpack this a little.

[Alex Perlman]

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[Mrs. Pearlmania]

That's right. We just. We just talk about stuff.

[Alex Perlman]

Opinions and yap.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Opinions and.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah, opinions and. Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

This is not real stuff.

[Alex Perlman]

Do your own research. Do your own research.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

I did this. I got you.

[Alex Perlman]

I know, but I'm telling the people.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Oh, okay.

[Alex Perlman]

So I'm telling the people who are in the comments who are giving us five stars, who are following us, looking at us across all of social media.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

And they're saying, we don't know how she got here, but she did.

[Alex Perlman]

Wow. How did this happen?

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

So, Kat Von D. And hey, Kat.

[Alex Perlman]

Von D. Real quick, just so you know, this is all Donald Trump's fault. If he. If he and the secretary, the Senate didn't just randomly give $40 billion to Argentina.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah, I wouldn't. I would never have clicked.

[Alex Perlman]

This is just what happens when you start clicking.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

You just are opening tabs.

[Alex Perlman]

Okay, so what tab do you have about her?

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

So here's the thing about Kat Von.

[Alex Perlman]

D. I know that there's a lot of controversy.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

She has scandals, controversy. Because a lot of people think she's anti Semitic.

[Alex Perlman]

Okay.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

And so, like this. There's all this information. It doesn't help. But so then, yeah, I was. I was thinking about the idea when I. So I started looking into Kat Von D. Right.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

And I started thinking about, like, that quote. That's like, you're some of the people you surround yourself with. Right?

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

And so I started looking at some of the people historically she has surrounded.

[Alex Perlman]

Herself with and associated with, and.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yes. And so I think I just want to show you some people, and we'll just. We'll just have some commentary on the people that she has in the past surrounded herself with.

[Alex Perlman]

Okay.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Okay. So there's this guy. His name is Oliver Peck, and she used to date him. He's a tattoo artist. And the picture I'm putting up right now is him in blackface at Halloween. This was posted on his MySpace page.

[Alex Perlman]

On his MySpace page.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Mm.

[Alex Perlman]

What the f. Why is there a giant N on his chest?

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Because he said he was super. Okay.

[Alex Perlman]

Okay. And this is the person that she hung out with, that she dated.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

This is him and blackface in a different Halloween costume.

[Alex Perlman]

He's done multiple blackface Halloween costumes.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah, he's multiple. He's just, like, super into it. Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Can I tell you.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Huh?

[Alex Perlman]

Can I tell you how, like, there's so many times when I'll be scrolling on and people be like, oh, yeah, you know, everyone has a Nazi phase. Or like, everybody. No, they don't. No, no. And also, this man's like 30 years old during these things.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah, he's grown.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah, that's him. But it's him and blackface pretending to be NBA player and then him also being super. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Okay.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Okay. And then so she dated him.

[Alex Perlman]

Right.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

And then she dated Jesse James. Here's a picture of Jesse James.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah, yeah. That's his heart going out to people.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Okay.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

And is really his hat is interesting.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah. What's that skull symbol on his hat?

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Oh, that's a skull symbol that the guy from Maine has tattooed on him.

[Alex Perlman]

Oh, yeah, that's a Totenkoff.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah. That specific skull which is on this hat.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Is tattooed on the guy from Maine that is running for Democrat.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And again, as many people have said that we're not saying that Graham Platner is a Nazi, but having to constantly say, I'm not a Nazi is not a great moment.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

I'm just gonna throw that out there. Who's that other lady in the picture?

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

I think she's a porn star named Michelle McKee. I think Jesse James dated her.

[Alex Perlman]

Okay. And she's also wearing famously. By the way, I talked about this on Crashing out with Phil DeFranco.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Okay.

[Alex Perlman]

That is.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

We have another podcast.

[Alex Perlman]

I have five podcasts, but I do four podcasts with you. Okay. Let's go down all of them right now.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Okay, go ahead.

[Alex Perlman]

Too many tabs.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Great podcast.

[Alex Perlman]

We do the after party where we react to all of the comments here on our Patreon. We do the story report once a month where you read a book and then tell me about it. And lastly, again, only On Prom, on promania500.net our Patreon, we do vibing with the food Idiot. Where you go and explain a food to me.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yes.

[Alex Perlman]

And how it's cooked, because I don't know how to cook and I'm a. When it comes to the kitchen.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And you explain it to me in a very funny way. That's always fun.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Also, in this week's afterparty, I tell the story about Natalie Portman and the apple.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah, you did. You did. On this week's episode, you completely explained what happened between.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

So anyway, you and Phil DeFranco.

[Alex Perlman]

Me and Phil DeFranco. Talked about specifically the Totenkopf and this hat and why. I think it's insane for Graham Platner to explain that he doesn't know what that symbol is specifically because that is the exact skull referenced in the Mitchell and Webb sketch.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

What?

[Alex Perlman]

Remember, there's a sketch. It went very viral for years on YouTube and it comes up all the time. Are we the baddies?

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Oh, yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

We have skulls on our hat. And that's the skull they're pointing at. It's the same skull. It's been everywhere.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah. I just also think it's crazy to get a tattoo and then you didn't do any research on what it meant for 18 years. 18 years.

[Alex Perlman]

I want you guys to know, every single person I've ever met with a.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Tattoo, they always have a story.

[Alex Perlman]

They have a reason behind it.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Always. Like. And if it's like, oh, me and my bestie got a tattoo. Cuz like, I think he said it was a group of friends got a tattoo.

[Alex Perlman]

He said, he said it was his other people he worked with in the military and they were in Croatia and they were drunk.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Okay.

[Alex Perlman]

And then. And the reason we know that he even had it is because there was a video of him drunk, running around in his underwear. Again, doesn't look great. Like you want to be a senator. Like, I'm, I understand. I'm. I'm. Listen, I'm cool. I'm chill with. I got drunk and ran around a wedding in my underwear. Fine, whatever.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Sure. Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

But like, this is how we found out.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Also, let me tell you something.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Remember how I was talking about that priest? There was another priest. I didn't go do lots of research on him, but he was in Croatia.

[Alex Perlman]

Oh, yeah, Croatian. No, again, there. There was the fascist. The Germans weren't just fascists. Fascism was founded by Benito Mussolini. In Italy, it became very, very popular, including in the United States, including all over the world. A lot of people really respected Benito Mussolini and the Fascist party. And there were collaborators and fascists all across Europe. There were a shit ton of partisan fascist fighters all throughout the Balkans. Specifically Croatia and later was Yugoslavia and all these other different areas, Bulgaria and others were all aligned with Germany. A lot of the ideas and memory of these fascists were completely wiped out when the Red army ran through and then forcibly made all of their governments communist.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

A lot of that was then completely wiped out. When we look at places like Ukraine and we look at the, the Nazi esthetics that are there, oftentimes they view in Eastern Europe as Nazi Aesthetic is not being anti Semitic or, or that memory of the Holocaust they look at as being anti Russian and anti Red Army. So there's this again, this is one of those things where when you get outside of the bubble of the worldview that we look at things. So when you go to a place like Croatia, they'll have Nazi shit up there. And depending on the, the, the day, the symbol means something different to different people who were there.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And this is where like also if.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

You'Re with a group of people and there's a Nazi symbol in a tattoo shop and you're all going to get it. I feel like you do a quick Google search. I feel like even when you get home, I think 10 years later you're like, there's a thing. It's on my body. I'm going to be buried one day with this image on me. I want to notice. I know people that have tattoos of like Snoopy as a pin up. You know what I mean? Like, I know people that have the most insane tattoos that have meaning behind them.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

And if they got a tattoo with their friends, it's like, oh, we all got this matching tattoo of blank because we have an inside joke about this. Or this was a shared experience.

[Alex Perlman]

The thing is that I've heard from a lot of people is it's a very shared experience to be with a bunch of your military buddies, get hammered and get a cool skull. Like the same way the Punisher skull gets used everywhere. When like the guy who invented Punisher is like, that's not the Punisher skull isn't for cops.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

But cops get it all the time. Like, it's where this is the argument. And again, I understand the argument and I understand the argument in general of like whether or not we would let some dude named Graham, you know, be around or whether or not he should be shunned from society. That's a different argument for whether or not you should be a senator. But as I talked about on the show crashing out this week and as I've talked about on this show before, I don't give a about Maine. So I just want to just be clear about that to our main listeners. I love you as a person.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

I love you main listeners. I. I'm gonna come up there and miss breakfast, Mrs. P. I'm go blueberry picking. I'm never great time.

[Alex Perlman]

Maybe someday when she does a solo event, her first. You know what your first solo event can be in Maine.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Okay, great.

[Alex Perlman]

It won't be with me.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Because I won't I'm not crossing that border. Also, there is. Also, there's a Dana Carvey sketch.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Listen to me.

[Alex Perlman]

Skinhead Nazis from Maine. It's a famous Dana Carvey sketch. It's. It's. It's from his show before it got pulled off the air. Stephen Colbert was in it. There's, like, a lot. There's just so much. There's so much. But this. This whole moment, allegedly supposed to be about Kat Von D. So.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Okay. No, but we were talking about Jesse James.

[Alex Perlman]

Oh, yes.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Because she dated Jesse James.

[Alex Perlman]

Yes.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Who famously cheated on Sandra Bullock, by the way, with, I believe, Kat Von D. The time. The timeline is very sus. Suspect. Timeline of. He was, like, married to Sandra Bullock, I think, and they were in the process of adopting a child, and then it got. He got caught cheating on Sandra Bullock, and she ended up, like, canceling all of her. The movie premieres for the Blind side. Remember the Blind side movie? Yeah. Jesse James calls the cancellation of the Blind side movie premieres.

[Alex Perlman]

I don't want to. I don't want to unpack that. I don't want to unpack that. I don't want to pack any of that.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

So here's the thing. Then I'm looking at these things and I'm like, okay, listen, she's young. She's in her 20s during all this. Who didn't date a bunch of scumbags in their 20s? Okay, maybe she matures. She gathers empathy. She realizes these are bad people. I shouldn't surround myself with them.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

And then she gets married. This is a picture of her husband.

[Alex Perlman]

That's a swastika on his throat, babe.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yep. He has a tattoo of a swastika in his throat. He says it's for religious meanings.

[Alex Perlman]

Oh, he's trying to claim that it's like the. The Buddhist swastika.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Hold on.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

It's in a lotus flower. And next to it is.

[Alex Perlman]

No, but that's a Star of David in the middle of it.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Okay.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Okay.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Egyptian eye. And the Egyptian. What's that one? I forget the name of it.

[Alex Perlman]

The Ankh.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

The Ankh.

[Alex Perlman]

That's an.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Egyptians famously enslaved Jewish people.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Why would you. I mean, just saying, there's a lot of. This is.

[Alex Perlman]

This is the weirdest coexist sticker to put across your fucking throat. This is the oddest coexist sticker I've ever seen. I want to throw that out there.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Bumper sticker.

[Alex Perlman]

When they made the coexist stickers for hippies to slap on the back of their car. During the Iraq war, they famously did not include a swastika.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And like, again, I understand the whole. Oh, we're trying to take. There's certain things you just can't take back yet.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Also, this man is not Jewish, so it's not his to take back. Right.

[Alex Perlman]

But it's also beyond that. Like, this is just insane. This is a choice.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

This is a crazy.

[Alex Perlman]

Again, this is a crazy choice. And I understand. Get in the comments and tell me it's backwards, but when he looks in.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

A mirror, it's not.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah. When he. If he makes a tick tock. Right. Which always reverses everything. Unless you use the inverted, which then really makes you feel weird as you're moving around.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Then. Then it's going to be that.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

So listen. Okay, fine. Okay, here's what I want to say.

[Alex Perlman]

So her husband has a swastika on his.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Women aren't the men they're with. Right. I'm not going to hold her to her husband's mistakes.

[Alex Perlman]

Perfect example. You don't hate Maine.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

No, I love me.

[Alex Perlman]

You love Maine. You're always trying to get me to go there.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And I say no, too many lakes.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

So I. You know what I'm going to say? Maybe I'm wrong for saying that you're the sum of the people you hang out with. It's. She is not the men that she has surrounded herself with. Right. On her own. She is a successful businesswoman who used to own a very successful makeup company that was in Sephora called Kat Von.

[Alex Perlman]

D. What do you mean used to.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

She sold it.

[Alex Perlman]

She sold.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

She sold her parts of it. Her. Whatever. The stock in it.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

To Kendo, the brand that owns it, in like, 2020.

[Alex Perlman]

Okay. She sold. She sold off.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

She sold off all of it. But at its peak, its valuation was $150 million in value. So she is a very rich, very successful makeup brand. At the time.

[Alex Perlman]

At the time.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

And so one of the things you need to know as a girly pop, she was very famous for her liquid lipsticks. So, like, when we look at my lipstick, this is a Mac lipstick I have. You see how it's like. This is a tube of lipstick.

[Alex Perlman]

It's like a stick.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah, it's a stick. There's a thing called liquid lipsticks in which it's like melted down and it kind of goes on like a lip gloss, but it dries on and it gets really strongly held onto there.

[Alex Perlman]

Like, for the fellas out there, it's.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

It's.

[Alex Perlman]

It's like the lip Balm.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah, yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Like, like the, the, there's some, you know, you'll go get the chapstick. If you're a man, you get chapstick.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And then if you got, if you got one friend, it's like, hey, man, come on, get Burt's Bees.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

But then every now and then if, if you get, if you go a little metro sexual. Somebody handy this tube with a little dot at the top.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

And gets just a little squidge.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Because it smears across the top. And then you smear that car. You go, oh, man, I should, I should use this. And then you buy two of them and then you're out one night and you pull it out and then your one buddy goes, I didn't know you were gay. And you're like, ah, shit. And then you never use them again. And now you just have dry, cracked lips. Because homophobia affects everybody.

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[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Crazy weather we're having.

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[Alex Perlman]

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[Mrs. Pearlmania]

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[Alex Perlman]

Okay?

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Famously. And so one of the things she did is she had like really cool rock and roll, like imagery. All of her packaging was very rock and roll.

[Alex Perlman]

Well, her Thing is very much rockabilly. Right. It's like rockabilly, Louisiana Rockabilly. Is there burlesque in there? A little bit.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

There's a lot of burlesque. There's maybe the cholo culture.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

All of that mixed in.

[Alex Perlman]

It's that very specific type of tattoo as well. Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

So that was all, like, on her branding and marketing and all that stuff. And the thing is, because she's a.

[Alex Perlman]

White girl from Mexico.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

It's kind of what the selling point is. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

So she. She releases all these, like, really cool names and cool colors that you couldn't get other places. So I found some that she released. Here's. This is from a podcast. Not a podcast, a Twitter post from the Kat Von D Twitter. Now you can see this pink one. This is Melancholia. This is a different color pink. And this is called Lovesick. Here's a, like, mauvey pink. And this is called Rosemary Baby. See, that's rock and roll. Because that's like a dark movie. Rosemary Baby. Spooky. Now, this one right here, what's that name? Can you read that for the. For the listeners?

[Alex Perlman]

Selection.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Selection. S E, L, E, K, T I.

[Alex Perlman]

O, N. It's hard to read because it's. It's in white gothic lettering. Right? It's in white gothic lettering, but already in, like, a white spot. So like, now with Canva, Canva would automatically recommend that you put an outline around it so it pop a little bit. Yeah, yeah. So. So the last one was called selection.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah. Now, I just opened up a page on my computer here for you about what that word means.

[Alex Perlman]

German name. Selection is the name given to the process of designated inmates either for murder or forced labor at a Nazi concentration camp.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah, that's what that word means. Selection. Spelled S E, L E, K, T I, O, N. That's what that word means.

[Alex Perlman]

It would be. Okay. Yeah. Huh. All right. Okay. So again, that's like a single red strand.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Mm.

[Alex Perlman]

That's. We're not. We're not. We're not doing a full board. That's a single red strand. It's also in gothic lettering, which is. It doesn't. Isn't always Nazi coded.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

No.

[Alex Perlman]

But God damn, do Nazis love it.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

They love it.

[Alex Perlman]

They love it. They love that. That gothic lettering. Anyway, here, wait real fast. Here's a picture of Triple H where it. Covered in iron crosses. Paul Levesque, the chief booker of the wwe, just him covered in so many iron crosses.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

All right, So I mean, that, to me, says maybe she has some anti Semitic views. If you are some of the people that you hang out with, if you would name a lipstick that. Now, there was a lot of backlash when that got posted.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

And they ended up, I believing, not releasing it. Like, actually not. They had to, like, I think they didn't even put it on the shelves because so many people were like, hey.

[Alex Perlman]

Why are you using the German word for selection?

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah, why Rosemary's baby? Okay.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Why the specific word that's used in the context of the Holocaust. Would you name that? That's not edgy. Yeah, that's not edgy. So anyway, you know, after she sold her business in 2020, she left L. A. Because I don't know if, you know, California is just like too low.

[Alex Perlman]

So 2020 was. That was the end for her. Did she move to Austin, Texas?

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

She didn't. She actually ended up moving to Indiana and she bought a hay tycoons mansion in Indiana.

[Alex Perlman]

Wait, hold on, did you say the word? Hey, tycoon.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah. Because she bought this house, it's called the Benjamin Shank Mansion, okay. In Viva Indiana. And I looked it up because I was like, who used to own this? And the guy that used to own this mansion was a hay magnet. He sold hay.

[Alex Perlman]

Can I tell you that is that even looks like. If you've ever driven through any small town. Yeah. There's always. Or like rural region. There's always like two buildings that look like this. Yeah. Where you, as you drive by, you go, oh, war crime guy. There, that was. There was a song a while ago.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Somebody with a baron at the end.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah, yeah, there's a.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Hey, baron.

[Alex Perlman]

A hay baron.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Then I read up on the history of this guy. He spent all this hey baron money building this. And he died before it was completed. F you, boo.

[Alex Perlman]

Fuck you. You should have paid more in taxes.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Baron.

[Alex Perlman]

Oh, being a hay baron.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Anyway, she moved to Indiana. Guess what she did? Converted to Christianity.

[Alex Perlman]

Oh, now she converted.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Her parents were seventh Day Adventists, weren't they?

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Listen, I don't know how any of this. No, because she was really into the occult and witchcraft and tarot. Like she. She went on this whole.

[Alex Perlman]

She culture vultured. She did the same thing. She did it. Miley Cyrus, she. I made all my money telling you guys that I really love your goth shit. Yeah, look at me. I love your goth shit. Goth, goth, goth, goth, goth. Oh, I made enough money. I made enough money. Christian time, time to do my country solo tour.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

She had to pivot because she kept having all these controversies.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah. Because Woke people. The people that are cool that she wants to hang out with.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Don't want her to do Nazi.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah, well she does hang out a lot with Marilyn Manson.

[Alex Perlman]

Oh, so here's a picture of Marilyn Manson wearing Nazi.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Boom. Hey, look at that guy loves that.

[Alex Perlman]

You didn't even have that pre pulled. I just, I just know, I just know that there also there was a thing in the early 2000s that a lot of people don't actually understand. There was a lot of ironic racism. Racism. There was. And it sucks. It sucks so hard because there was a lot of. I'm doing this to just get a rise out of you. Right. Like there's so many people from this time period who did this. The reason why people thought Cartman was interesting from south park was because this isn't what you're supposed to say. But the joke is he's saying it. Hahaha. And you're supposed to be using this as an ironic lesson to not do that. Yeah, that was what the let that was the underlying subtext was. But again, as we've all learned, everyone is fucking stupid and subtext doesn't exist.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Also that doesn't apply to Marilyn Manson.

[Alex Perlman]

No.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Because he fully has done and said things that lean into anti Semitic belief system. Also when his ex girlfriend Evan Rachel Wood came out about all the abuse she experienced from him, a lot of it had to do with doing hurtful things to her and saying anti Semitic things and yeah. So like he is not of that. Oh, it's just ironic.

[Alex Perlman]

It's Nazi.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

So she left. She left the California demon culture.

[Alex Perlman]

And in her words. Her words, her words. Her Kat Von D's words. Sorry, we've jumped through a bunch of different things. Sorry, you didn't have Marilyn Manson even written in there. No, I just had to say that. But Kat Von D said she left the California demon culture.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

She said she had to leave California because of the culture and the occult and the belief system. She needed to go also. I think she was trying to get away from like taxes and all that stuff. Yeah, no, it was the same thing. They're all. When they all leave.

[Alex Perlman]

No, but Joe Rogan went to Austin because someone told him to put a mask on before he went into a fucking PJ Fuddruckers.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah, and she at the time was getting canceled in quotes because she said she wasn't going to vaccinate her kid. Yeah. So like she was on the heels of anti Semitic stuff. Then she got called an anti vax.

[Alex Perlman]

They were selling to wasn't There also something to with her. I remember now because you would show me makeup shit all the time. There's something about like a specific type of like skin tone that was like, for like black women that like didn't work or she wouldn't make stuff.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

That was a different person.

[Alex Perlman]

That was a different person. Okay. There was a different racist makeup person.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Oh, that. Listen. For the gals to listen you. That's a box we can't even open. There's just too many.

[Alex Perlman]

There's too many.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

There's too many.

[Alex Perlman]

But someday maybe we'll do a top seven. I tried top seven racist makeup ladies. Number one, Coco Chanel.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

That true?

[Alex Perlman]

I know. She was a Nazi. She straight up was a Nazi.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Yeah.

[Alex Perlman]

Coco Chanel was a Nazi.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Oh God.

[Alex Perlman]

That. Which proves to you every brand can be forgiven? Apparently.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

No.

[Alex Perlman]

Oh yeah. Hugo Boss.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Hugo Boss.

[Alex Perlman]

Hugo Boss.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

I tried to watch, I tried to look up all of her like reasoning for like her religious pivot. I think it's the same reason we all. They all do religious pivots. Not me, but it's the mega pivot.

[Alex Perlman]

It's all the left left me. Blah, blah, blah.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

We asked, they asked me to.

[Alex Perlman]

Oh my hat. My hatch alarm clock is full of demons.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

That's so funny. That one.

[Alex Perlman]

It's literally was a Halloween commercial. I know it's a Halloween commercial. And they went, that's real. You guys know that the hatch. The hatch thing, we use it for our baby. Plays a sound.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

It makes sounds.

[Alex Perlman]

Sounds in a light. And they made a. They made a scary little commercial. Just because they're like, it's Halloween. Get some sleep.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

I tried to watch this YouTube video about her reasoning. It says Kat Von D on becoming a Christian. I'll give a. I'll put a picture up of it. But I couldn't get through it because look how many ads are in it.

[Alex Perlman]

Oh my God. I don't ever.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

You know, honestly, we would never do this.

[Alex Perlman]

That's an hour 20.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Uh huh.

[Alex Perlman]

We do what we do. Maybe 3D. Two to three dynamics, right? And, and one to three regular ad reads per segment, right?

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

20. I counted 20.

[Alex Perlman]

She has 20. There are 20 dynamic ads in this.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

I was like, every time she started.

[Alex Perlman]

Talking, wait, and it says includes paid promotion.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

I know.

[Alex Perlman]

So they're doing baked in ad reads on top of that.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

I know.

[Alex Perlman]

And this is episode 902 of this Ladies.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

It's called relatable. And it's.

[Alex Perlman]

She's okay, it's relatable.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

And she's interviewing Kat Von D about becoming a Christian, did you get a.

[Alex Perlman]

When? When? How many views did it have you didn't have in the screenshot?

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

I don't have it. I'll find it for you and tell you later.

[Alex Perlman]

Tell me later. It doesn't matter. The. You know what? Wow.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

But so that. That's everything. That's. I started at. Our government gave $40 billion to Argentina.

[Alex Perlman]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearlmania]

And I ended it. Kat Von D. And I don't know how any of it happened, but I mean, I know how it happened.

[Alex Perlman]

I know exactly how it happened. You know how it happened, Mrs. P. Because you opened too many times. That's right. Everybody, thank you so much for listening and watching and enjoying the show. Like subscribe, comment, do all the fun things down below and check out our shirt and more and you can get ad free [e-mail] See you next week. Too many frauds and too many scammers that we wish weren't real. Too many cons and too many spam and we're starting to feel like we've got too many tabs. Open it too many times. Remember to smile.

[Dana]

Morning, Zoe. Got donuts.

[Jeff Bridges]

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[Dana]

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[Dana]

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[Mrs. Pearlmania]

Nice.

[Jeff Bridges]

Jeffrey, you heard them.

[Alex Perlman]

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[Dana]

So what are we having for lunch?

[Jeff Bridges]

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