LOSER: MAHA's Biggest BULLY: Jillian Michaels | TMT 141

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Podcast: Too Many Tabs with Pearlmania500
Episode: LOSER: MAHA's Biggest BULLY: Jillian Michaels | TMT 141
Hosts: Pearlmania500 (Will) & Mrs. Pearl Mania
Date: August 17, 2025

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Overview

This episode dives deep into the controversial legacy of Jillian Michaels, best known as the tough-love trainer from The Biggest Loser. In the signature "Too Many Tabs" style, Mrs. Pearl Mania investigates Michaels’ role in the toxic fitness and diet culture of the 2000s, her pipeline into right-wing, "crunchy" podcasts post-Reality TV fame, and draws striking parallels between Michaels and Joe Rogan as cultural “quacks.” As part of Quack Month, the hosts dissect how Michaels went from reality TV icon to a conduit for misinformation, conspiracy theories, and far-right grifting—and how she’s pivoting hard in the recent political climate.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Jillian Michaels: "The Female Joe Rogan"

• Theory: Mrs. Pearl posits Michaels is the “female Joe Rogan” who pipelines wellness seekers into broader dubious—and often harmful—ideologies.

  • “She did exactly the same thing Joe Rogan did, which was like pipelining people into the Maha movement, but it went unnoticed because people ignore women and what they do.”
    — Mrs. Pearl Mania [01:57]

• Career Arc Parallels:

  • Early 2000s reality TV star ➔ fitness guru ➔ podcast/influence peddler.
  • Both pivoted from niche fame into hosting influential platforms with huge, devoted audiences.

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2. The Biggest Loser & Cultural Context

• Peak of Diet Culture:

  • The show premiered in 2004 and became a cultural juggernaut centered entirely on weight loss through extreme exercise.
  • It reflected—and exacerbated—America’s obsession with thinness, shaming, and body policing, especially against women.
  • “Growing up in this environment shaped so many Millennials. The way that we think about food, diet, our body, thinness, all this stuff, it was a crazy time.”
    — Mrs. Pearl Mania [04:44]

• Toxic Contest Structure:

  • Contestants publicly shamed, “humanized” in a way that doubled as emotional manipulation.
  • Survivor-style eliminations, “vote-offs” in a dining room surrounded by refrigerators full of temptations [10:13].
  • “The Biggest Loser isn’t about working out or losing weight. It’s all about relationships and alliances that you can then use emotionally manipulating people.”
    — Will [11:27]

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3. Jillian Michaels: Bullying as Branding

• Training Style:

  • Michaels became famous (or infamous) for her militaristic, often degrading verbal abuse of contestants:
    • “All I care about is that your ass gets smaller. You can only get off if you throw up. Start walking. I don't care if you both die on this floor.”
      — Jillian Michaels (Biggest Loser clip) [15:23]
  • Will likens her to a villainous drill sergeant, and Mrs. Pearl links this to America’s tendency to moralize and punish fatness.
    • “There is no greater moral failing in this country than being fat... you deserve to be mocked and tortured.”
      — Mrs. Pearl Mania [16:58]

• Cultural Sadism:

  • The show’s allure was as “torture porn”—the spectacle of suffering was the draw.
  • Michaels herself internalized and deployed a doctrine of “circumventing negative thinking with fear,” which Will calls “abusive thinking.” [22:25]

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4. Products & Pill Scams (Legal Trouble)

• Fitness Empire:
  • Michaels’ home workout DVDs are “the highest grossing, best selling” in history [24:27].
  • She also cashed in with ancillary products and licensing—everywhere from Sears to book racks to yoga mats.
• Diet Pills Debacle:
  • She sold “calorie control” pills, “fat burner” pills, and “triple process detox and cleanse” pills, all targeting rapid, effortless weight loss [32:20–35:12].
  • Multiple class-action lawsuits for false advertising and selling harmful supplements:
    • “Several of the ingredients... can be harmful to your health... the supplement as a whole, quote, might kill you.”
      — Mrs. Pearl Mania quoting TMZ [37:29]

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5. The Podcast Pipeline & Grifter Pivot

• Podcasting as Platform:

  • Michaels’ podcast rapidly climbed iTunes charts, signaling her successful transition to a health-and-wellness influencer [38:10].
  • She leverages her credibility to move her fanbase into increasingly political and conspiratorial content.

• Conspirituality & Right-wing Drift:

  • Mrs. Pearl uncovers the guest roster and topics on Michaels’ show:
    • Interviews with figures like Bill Maher, Candace Owens, Matt Walsh, Megyn Kelly, Russell Brand, Tony Robbins, Dr. Phil, Vivek Ramaswamy, Benny Johnson, and more [58:26–59:47].
    • Lavish promotion of anti-vaccine crusader RFK Jr., skepticism about GMOs, pesticides, and even regurgitating fluoride conspiracy theories [52:22].
    • “She lulls you in with a sense of ‘we’re just doing crunches...’ and then once you click on her podcast, it’s all of the horrors we just described.”
      — Mrs. Pearl Mania [83:29]
  • Zero critical pushback in interviews—she simply provides her audience to these ideologues.

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6. Hypocrisy & Grifting

• Contradictions in Messaging:
  • Will points out her shift from skepticism of “cold plunges” (dismissed as unnecessary) to aggressively shilling for a $20,000 cold plunge tub as an affiliate [64:02].
  • Vocal anti-Ozempic campaign, positioning the prescription drug as “dangerous” and “the easy way out,” while simultaneously profiting from unregulated, potentially dangerous diet pills [76:48].
  • Pivot to “Healthy Wage” — a site for betting money on one’s own weight loss goals, likened by Will to “DraftKings for your fat ass” [80:32].

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7. The Political & Ideological "Pipeline"

• From Wellness to Far-Right Conspiracies:

  • The show traces how Michaels and other wellness figures (“the healthy crunchy pipeline”) draw their audiences toward extreme right-wing beliefs—cloaked at first in health skepticism or body-shaming, but ultimately pro-Trump, anti-vax, “anti-woke,” and paranoid.
  • Explains the strategic use of RFK Jr. by podcasters to facilitate a “respectable” channel to the hard right [85:07–86:07].
  • “RFK was the back door to get all of the crunchies and the loonies and all this different stuff onto the Trump train." — Will [85:50]

• Impact:

  • “All of them got pipelined... Now here we are at the end of the funnel, and every funnel... just ends up pouring anti Semitism down your throat.”
    — Will [88:21]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the early 2000s body culture:

  • “I cannot begin to express to our younger listeners how obsessed the early 2000s culture was with thinness... This is the world we grew up in.”
    — Mrs. Pearl Mania [04:44]

• On Michaels' abusive methodology:

  • “You can circumvent negative thinking with fear... Sometimes I need to intimidate a person and then they do what I ask.”
    — Jillian Michaels [21:47, 22:25]

  • “That is the craziest fucking line I’ve ever heard.”
    — Will [23:06]

• On hypocrisy and grifting:

  • “So, three years ago, she’s like, don’t buy cold plunges. Thirty-three weeks ago? Here’s my $20,000 cold plunge affiliate link.”
    — Will [65:22]

• On shifting political winds:

  • “If she can’t make fat people feel deep shame for their body size, how can she profit off of it? ...And so that’s what she says—health at any size is the reason. And trans people are the reason that she made this pivot.”
    — Mrs. Pearl Mania [67:40]

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Key Timestamps

• Jillian Michaels as "Female Joe Rogan" thesis [01:48]
• Early 2000s body shaming context [04:44]
• Biggest Loser’s elimination process/“torture porn” discussion [10:13–16:58]
• Jillian Michaels' abusive quotes and methodology [15:23–22:25]
• Diet pill lawsuits/scams [32:20–37:29]
• Right wing podcast guest rundown/conspiracy pipeline [58:26–61:00]
• Hypocrisy of cold plunge endorsement [64:02–65:34]
• Ozempic/Healthy Wage grifting analysis [76:48–80:38]
• The RFK → Trump pipeline [85:07–86:07]
• Meta-analysis: the “pipeline” of fitness → conspiracy → right-wing media [87:00–88:53]

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Tone & Style

• Authentic and irreverent: The hosts riff, rant, and banter with sarcasm, righteous anger, and humor.
• Engaged and personal: Both share lived experiences shaped by toxic diet culture, offering perspective as Millennials who grew up through it.
• Explicit, factual, and passionate: Will brings fury to systemic critiques, whereas Mrs. Pearl’s carefully researched narrative threads connect the dots.

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In Conclusion

This episode exposes how Jillian Michaels leveraged her platform—from bullying on The Biggest Loser to fitness empire to podcast grift—to pipeline mainstream, vulnerable audiences into reactionary, anti-science, right-wing ideology. The hosts tie this journey to the broader trend of "wellness-to-conspiracy" radicalization that shapes much of today’s toxic media environment.

Startling conclusion:
“All of them got pipelined... now here we are at the end of the funnel, and every funnel... ends up pouring anti-Semitism down your throat.”
— Will [88:21]

Memorable sign-off:
“I hope you’re enjoying Quack Month.”
— Mrs. Pearl Mania [89:01]

Transcript

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

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[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Hey, babe, what are you doing?

[Will]

I went to the thrift store the other. I was looking for toys for the baby, and I found this DVD by this lady called Jillian Michaels.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Babe, no, she's a quack.

[Will]

What do you mean she's a quack?

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

She's literally like the female Joe Rogan. What do you.

[Will]

No, there's no way that I'm falling down a pipeline for the female Joe Rogan. She's just somebody who tells me how to lose weight and some smart ideas on things for me to eat.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

No, babe, listen, I've opened a lot of tabs about this.

[Will]

Oh, how many tabs have you opened up about Jillian Michaels? Too many tabs. Remember to smile, but welcome to Too Many Tabs. This is quack Month, which is a. Every August, Mrs. Pearl Mania, she goes and does research about different quacks all across the history and the Internet. And this week, she has brought me a quack that I did not expect. And that was Jillian Michaels from the Biggest Loser.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah, because here's the theory. This is a theory I have going into this. I think Jillian Michaels is the female Joe Rogan.

[Will]

Okay.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

I think she did exactly the same thing Joe Rogan did, which was like pipelining people into the Maha movement, but it went unnoticed because people ignore women and what they do.

[Will]

Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, she has a pretty. She has a pretty similar track record. An early 2000s reality star who pivots into, like, podcasting and a bunch of other different things.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yep. And.

[Will]

And then all I know is that you've spent the last 48 hours walking into the room and going, if I have to hear this woman's voice one.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

More time, I just. I would. I. After this episode, I. I am going to block her so I never have to hear her voice.

[Will]

You're just block her across all socials.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yes.

[Will]

Which is, by the way, that is the way to take out a podcaster. Block them across all socials. That's the way. How to snuff out their life.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

So many episodes we've done about crazy quote, quacks and people that do all kinds terrible things that I. I haven't, like, physically gone and blocked them.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

But I. I'm going to block Julian Michaels after this because I never want to hear her voice again.

[Will]

Oh, this voice right here.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

All I care about is that your ass gets smaller.

[Will]

There we go.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Okay, so to understand Jillian Michaels, I think I need to explain to you where she came from. Right.

[Will]

Thank you. Thank you. I. I actually do need that because I. This is what I know of her. I know of that she was on the Biggest Loser where I think she was a trainer, Right?

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yep.

[Will]

And that's it. That's all I know.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

I feel like. I feel like maybe she was on, like, Biggest Loser, and then she would show up in, like, fitness magazines or like, Maxim or one of those, like, cover magazines every now and then.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

She was always on the COVID of fitness magazines.

[Will]

Yeah, exactly.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

We had magazines.

[Will]

Yeah. I think I remember seeing her face back in, like, 2004, 2006. And then I'd see her, and then occasionally I'd hear her name on, like, Talk Soup on either.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah. Oh, my God. Talk Soup. Love clips from her shows.

[Will]

Listen, and if Joel McHale, if you're watching we love you, you're automatically invited to this show if you can fly to Pennsylvania. Bud. Well, I'll set you right here.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah, bud. The Biggest Loser. Now, did you watch this show?

[Will]

I never watched the Biggest Loser. Can I tell you why? Because I never really liked reality TV like that, Especially competition reality tv. That's why now having Donald Trump be our president is part of my nightmare.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

Because every day we live in a competition. Reality tele show.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

With cliffhangers.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

And we're the biggest losers.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

So the Biggest Loser was a competition reality show that ran for 17 seasons starting in 2004.

[Will]

17 season.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

It actually ran even longer because it just got moved to, like, the USA Network or Something. Okay, so the show features overweight contestants competing to win a cash prize by losing the highest percentage of weight relative to their initial weight. So the show had 11 million view viewers in the first season because it was so fucking popular.

[Will]

11 million.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

This was a cultural moment. People were obsessed with this show. And I. I cannot begin to express to our younger listeners how obsessed the early 2000s culture was with thinness. Like, growing up in this environment shaped so many millennials. The way that we think about food, diet, our body, thinness, all this stuff, it was a crazy time. And, like, people were obsessed with this show because it really fed into the thinness. And when I was doing research, I found this picture from a tabloid from the early aughts. And I said, this explains everything about what it was like during this time in our culture.

[Will]

Fashion victim of the week.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yes. So this is a picture of Mariah Carey. Of Mariah Carey fame. And it says, oops, we forgot to put Mariah Carey in our quote fat thighs story on those porky pins. The pop princess is no dainty with butterfly. Her vava. Voom. Versace couldn't be much shorter. It's barely bigger than a T shirt. Why doesn't this suddenly single songbird just go naked? Look at this woman's body. And they're calling her porky. And she's the victim of the week because of her fat thighs. This is the world we. I grew up in.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Where this was. They were like, this bitch is fat.

[Will]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

So, like, you have to understand the mentality of what we were going through as a society, which.

[Will]

Which is why we had the backl. It Of. Of the. The body positivity.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

Because we had so much body negativity.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Exactly.

[Will]

That was flooded our entire society. And this is the type of stuff, especially the guys like Donald Trump also were pushing pretty heavily through things like his beauty pageants and the way he talked about people like Rosie o'. Donnell.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

And other people.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah, exactly. Okay, so the Biggest Loser presents presents a regime of physical routines. The show focuses on almost purely on working out. Like, the show itself is just about working out. And they really ignore food. Like, they're not talking about diet, nutrition, eating habits, none of that. Now this would be them in the gym, on the treadmill, and then they, like, lifting weights like that. But they'd have, like, these emotional backstories, of course, trainers talking them. We're really humanizing them.

[Will]

Oh, which. Which you show. Which you show for two reasons.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

All reality TV shows, if you're ever watching A reality TV show. And you get the backstory of someone. This is either who they're painting to be the ultimate winner, or they're about to eliminate. There's no in between. Every time they. Every time there's especially a background reality show television star, and you're watching a show and you're like, who's that lady in the background? And finally she steps for like, my name's Jessica. And, you know, I grew up with childhood diabetes, and my mama died of cancer, and so my daddy raised us until he got gored by a bull. And you're like, oh, they're. You're getting cut. You're getting cut this episode.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Right.

[Will]

Sending you back to Oklahoma.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

I. Famously. There's, like, one episode of the Biggest Loser where this lady was talking about how she's, like, homeless because, like, her parents died and, like, she's going through this. She's living in her car, she's not eating well or working out because again.

[Will]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

And I think she gets eliminated.

[Will]

Like, that episode, literally right now, in that show. In that show, the Biggest Loser was housing her.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

Because she was like, I'll do the show. I have, like, I get a. I get a bed for seven months.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Four hots in a cot, baby. That's what I'm saying.

[Will]

Three hots.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Four.

[Will]

What do you mean, four?

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

I make friends. So.

[Will]

Only you. Most people's vision of prison is that they're gonna go in and immediately become somebody's fish. And you're gonna be like, I'm gonna get extra dessert.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

I have my own self esteem. I don't need Jillian Michaels to tell you about it also.

[Will]

Or Jelaine Maxwell. Back to the chart.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

No, put the chart down.

[Will]

Put the chart out. Put it down. It starts here.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

There is no charge.

[Will]

They're giving her work release. They're giving her work release.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Stop it. What if I promise you, we'll talk about epine later in this episode? I promise. I promise. Put the chart down for.

[Will]

Oh, I promise.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Okay. So.

[Will]

This is my favorite. Okay. Okay. How the did my DVD lady end up with Epstein? But we're going to find out together. All right, keep explaining the show to me. Let's map out this week's amazing destinations and travel tips.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

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[Will]

That's not the itinerary we're following.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

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[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

We close with the vote. The ways. The ways are in. Their weights are in.

[Will]

I thought it was just based on weight, though. But there's a vote, too.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

So the final.

[Will]

How are you gonna do this?

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

The final segment of the show takes place in a dining room that is surrounded by refrigerators. So, like picture traders. Right. But all around the room is refrigerators labeled with each contestant's name. And when they open the refrigerator, there is a covered plate, but also is filled with all their favorite snacks and tempting foods. So, like, theoretically, they could just, like, grab a slice of cake or a Snickers bar because they're just in there. But they're not supposed to because it's temptation. Don't do it. And then what happens is the contestants facing elimination would plead their case to all the people, like, before they even get to the voting table. But there's usually, like, one last, like, this is why you should let me stay. Because it's like the two last people with that didn't lose the most weight.

[Will]

Okay.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Are usually up for elimination. And then the contestants carry out covered plates, like what's called a cloche. Over the plate.

[Will]

Yeah, yeah. One of those things, like a butler.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Would carry back in, like the gilded age. They all sit down at the thing or stand up. It depends on what season. And then they pull the closure off and there's the person's name who they're voting off is there instead of a sandwich.

[Will]

Got it, Got it. So this is their Survivor style elimination. So it really isn't about how much weight you lose. It's partially about that.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

The same way Love island isn't about love. The Biggest Loser isn't about working out or losing weight. It's all about relationships and alliances that you can then use emotionally manipulating people.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yes, absolutely.

[Will]

Like this country.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Well, well, listen.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

So also, wait. And also, I need to say this is a Complete sidebar.

[Will]

Okay.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

I was. When I was doing research about the Biggest Loser, I found out on the wiki page that Margaret Cho was a presenter on the Biggest Loser.

[Will]

Really?

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Which, like, really, it, like, shocks me, but it doesn't because, like, famously, again, the early alts were so terrible. She was forced by TV production to lose weight to play herself on TV for her sitcom about her life.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

She was forced by TV executives to lose weight, famously. She experienced kidney failure after being bullied into such a strict diet. She was hospitalized to play herself.

[Will]

They were like, you're too heavy to be you.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

That's insane.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah. And I'm like. When I was writing this episode, it was like I was a teenager again. And I was just like, oh, God, it sucks so hard. Anyway, the show made the personal trainer.

[Will]

So Margaret Cho was. She was the host. She was like the Ryan Seacoast.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

She was like a presenter for one of the seasons. Got it.

[Will]

But. But like Orion Seacrest or like one of those other.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

She did like, voiceovers or what's the.

[Will]

Lady from Love island who. They just had? The one. Who, Tom Sandoval's ex.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah, it's. It's incredible that you call her.

[Will]

It's your fault. I don't remember her actual name. And when I watched her, I was like, she has the personality of a piece of cardboard. All those people did.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

I need you to know something.

[Will]

I need you guys. Re watching.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Love island thinks Tom Sandoval is more entertaining.

[Will]

He is more entertaining. We live in a fascist state, okay? We live in a fascist. Our nation is occupied by the fucking military right now. We're recording this on what, Wednesday, August 13th, right?

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Blah, blah.

[Will]

Yeah, Yeah. I don't know what the hell is happening in this country, okay? But if I have to watch that boring lady get up there to present the make out award.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

And then. And the thing is, is like, at first I didn't realize how fucking boring she was.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

I didn't realize how Ariana Maddox.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

I didn't realize how fucking boring Ariana Maddox was until Meg the Stallion showed up. And then Meg the Stallion hosted the twerk contest.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

And let me tell you something. Let me tell you, Meg, thee stallion has generational talent not just for twerking, but knowing how to keep the fucking show going.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

I watch Ariana Maddox sit there and it's clear that some producer is barking at her ear, being like, now, now, don't make a face. Now you need to tell Hudda to go sit down because you're breaking up her relationship with whatever boring guy's name is and moving her onto somebo. Megan, Thee stallion was just like, hudda, baby, you gotta sit down. She nailed it. She knew it was natural. But every time Ariana, she looked like a fucking puppet. I could see the producer strings being attached to her. Okay? Margaret Cho, also a good host. You don't wanna know why. She was a stand up comedian for fucking years. She knows how to work a crowd. She knows how to do all these different things. She knows how to keep the fucking show moving.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Mm.

[Will]

You can't just keep taking pretty people and dropping them in because being pretty is not a talent in itself.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

You are so wrong about that.

[Will]

I'm so wrong that being pretty isn't a talent.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Being pretty is the biggest talent in the world. So this show.

[Will]

We live in hell.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

We do the. This show made personal trainers Bob Harper and Jillian Michaels famous.

[Will]

The biggest loser made Bob Harper. Yeah, yeah, I know. You just said this show, and I was just screaming about four different shows. I just want to be okay.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

So I want to say this. Most notably, Jillian Michaels would scream and basically torture these people. So I want to play you a video.

[Will]

Okay. Because, I mean, I just screamed a lot.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

I know.

[Will]

I don't know how much I should judge somebody for this.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

I think you're gonna watch this and we're gonna see if you can judge her about how she treats the contestants on this show.

[Will]

Okay? So this is Jillian. Michael.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Puke or die. Keep walking. I like to push people very hard.

[Will]

The only way you're coming off this.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Damn treadmill is if you die on it. I don't care about makeovers. I don't care about your family. I don't care about anything. All I care about is that your ass gets smaller. You can only get off if you throw up. Start walking. I don't care if you both die on this floor. You better die. Looking good.

[Will]

Let's go. Back hurts.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

That's a bummer. Guess what else is gonna hurt? Everything. All you need to do is work out and eat right. Shut up and listen to me.

[Will]

Go, go. My only option is to just beat the crap out of them and hope for the best. Yo, I hate her. Yeah, but also, like, why is she talking to people like she's a boot camp sergeant?

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

That's like her whole thing.

[Will]

Yeah, but she's not. You're a personal trainer. But also, like, none of that. If. If she was screaming in my face like that. Yeah, like, you can't go zero to screaming in somebody's Face like that. Like, maybe once in a while, you could get, like, a little bit of extra motivation of like, hey, you know, but you've already worked him in a little bit.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

I wish she was standing on somebody.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah, yeah.

[Will]

She was pulling. She had her.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

She put another person on top of his weight rack and made him push it up.

[Will]

She had. At one point, she literally had. She had one of these.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

These stretchy things.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

Wrapped around somebody's waist and was having them pull her like they were a sled dog.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah, yeah.

[Will]

And she. And she was screaming, go, go.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Well, I think this is the thing. We've talked about this in the past, that there is no greater moral failing in this country than being fat, because it's the one moral failing where in the eyes of our society, you deserve to be mocked and tortured as a penance for this moral failing. Like thinking of the seven deadly sins. Right. Pride, greed, wrath, envy, lust, sloth. None of these are considered a big sin in our society where we would demand that this person be mocked and tortured while we cheered from our couch eating ice cream, but assumed gluttony. Now that's the fucking sin.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

You know what I mean? So this is torture porn. People enjoy watching these people be tortured, in my opinion. This is all my opinion as someone who grew up in the early aughts.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Another evil that I want to bring up real quick that Jillian Michaels put onto this earth and to make people suffer. And the one thing. Well, not the one thing. One thing I'm not going to forgive her for personally, is she introduced low waist crop leggings. You bitch.

[Will]

You know, babe, we've talked a lot about food this episode.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Will]

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[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

I literally.

[Will]

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[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

My favorite.

[Will]

This is not your favorite. No, but I've been. I've been. Listen, I've been. I've been losing a lot of weight.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

No, you haven't. It's not because of her. So let's talk about this fitness guru, an alleged quack health quack. This because, again, this is my opinion.

[Will]

This is your.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Based on my research, yes, I have decided, in my opinion, I believe she's a quack.

[Will]

Okay.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Okay. She was born in LA in 1974. She's Gen X. Okay?

[Will]

Gen X is all hell.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Jillian states she was overweight in her youth and used food to comfort herself.

[Will]

You know who else said that?

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Who?

[Will]

Hulk Hogan.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Wow.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Well, guess what? Her mother enrolled her in martial arts class to help her deal with stress. And this resulted in Gillian focusing on her health and wellness events. This is another opportunity to use the Alex Karate picture.

[Will]

So one of the things is, when you show me that compilation of Jillian Michaels, like, yelling at people. For some reason, at the beginning, they decided to show her doing a little, like, Taebo style karate.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

And awful backspin kick.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Wow.

[Will]

When I saw it, I was like, that's not a very good backspin spin kick.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Wow.

[Will]

That's just my. In my opinion.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Speaking of karate, I'm gonna read a quote. I found this quote from an interview she did with Ladies Home Journal. Okay. This says there was a time when my parents were going through some shit, and I was sparring with my instructor, and he kept kicking me. I thought he'd stop if I'd cry, but the more I cried, the harder he kicked. And he was like, quote, I don't give a fuck. If you don't fight your way out of this corner, I will kill you. And so I fought my way out of the corner.

[Will]

Okay, so, funny story. Remember in the last episode. I think it was the last episode where I talked about being kicked through the door.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

Almost verbatim, what happened to me. And the whole time I was like, why are we paying for this? Why are we paying a man to beat the shit out of me like this?

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

I don't know why your mom paid a man to be.

[Will]

Because if she did it, she would have gone to jail. But the. There. There's. In those moments, I feel like there's the two. Which. Which. Which path are you gonna choose two.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Wolves that live inside of.

[Will]

No, no, I think there's a path. There's two paths in the woods. And some people go down, go, I want to be the person who kicks people.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

And other people go, why? We live in a world where people kick people.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Well, here's the second half of the quote.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Michaels believes this. This approach is necessary for people who have been making excuses for their behavior all their lives, who have, quote, a negative dialogue going on in their heads. She said, quote, you can circumvent negative thinking with fear.

[Will]

That's not how. Okay, quote.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Just the way my mother. Just the way a mother can lift the car off a child. It's like fear makes you live in the moment. Sometimes I need to intimidate a person, and then they do what I ask. And when they see they can be successful, it is the most amazing experience for them. I can use the techniques they have used to program themselves for destruction and. And program them for success.

[Will]

Okay, so what you just described there is an abusive thinking.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

You can circumvent negative thinking with fear. Number one is like, I think a direct quote from the Sinestro Corps, from DC Comics. The villain who fights the Green Lantern Corps quite constantly.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

The way a mother can lift a car off a child is about adrenaline.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

It's not about the fear of your child dying. It's about that entire moment and the pump of adrenaline that you can get that can make you do something that you are unexpected to be able to do.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

But it's also you're not lifting the car like you're super. I'm using another DC comics like your Superman from the COVID of Action Comics Number One. You're lifting it like an inch. But typically with the help of other people.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

It's like fear makes you live in the moment. She says yes again, that's the adrenaline slowing down time.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

But this quote, this is the line that gets me. Sometimes I need to intimidate a person and then they do what I ask. That is the craziest fucking line I've ever heard. That's not what, Yeah, I scream it. This is like Karen behavior.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

She's the, she's, she's Jim. Karen.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yep. So her fitness DVDs are the highest grossing, best selling her home workouts in history.

[Will]

In history.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

In history. She has made the most money on DVD sales for fitness DVDs.

[Will]

Well, okay, I, I, the one thing I'll say about that is people, I think a lot of people forget that DVDs actually have the shortest life.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

For sales. We, it was, it was a big peak in like 2000 is when DVDs suddenly showed up everywhere. I want to say around 2000. 2002.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

DVDs were everywhere until streaming destroyed them around 2016. 2018.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

So you have about an 18 year reign of DVDs during that. @ the height of them, she is on one of the more popular shows in America, the Biggest Loser. And is the face of losing weight everywhere.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

And then these were also the face of abs. The face of abs, the face of losing weight, all those different things. And she. These were for sale. I also can't stress. These were for sale everywhere. Oh yeah, you would get them. You could go to Sears and see them. You would see them at the video stores that would sell them. You would see them at Barnes and Noble, Borders Books. Every single place would have this. Especially also if they then sold like the yoga mats or the workout mats next to them, or the, the, the string, the rubber band resistance bands, all these different things. The little weights. You'd have Jillian Michaels tie ins for all of these different things to Be paired completely with the DVD set so they all go together.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Also, when I found that one at the thrift store, I did laugh because it's called yoga meltdown.

[Will]

I know.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Which is when I think of yoga sister. Been there when I've never been alone in your thoughts and in Vinyasa and been like, I'm gonna have a yoga meltdown right now.

[Will]

It's also. Yeah. When I think of yoga, I think of melting down.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah. Hot yoga. The big.

[Will]

Is it Bikram yoga? Yeah. But real quick, real quick, before we go a little bit deeper in this, when it comes to working out, we're not saying don't work out.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

No, I'm not working out.

[Will]

I know, but I'm. I just want to be clear about that.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Okay.

[Will]

We're not saying don't work out. We're saying that the way she is pushing people is, is what sucks.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

And like the bullying and the hatred of, of fat people and all this other different things and how she is aiming her model because part of it is also of what gets ratings.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah. And what gets seen because people like to be angry. That's why Fox News works. So Jillian Michaels publicly comes out in 2012.

[Will]

Comes out of what?

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

The closet.

[Will]

Oh, what closet?

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

She comes out as a lesbian.

[Will]

Oh.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

And so she. This is a quote from when she's coming out. Right. She says, let's just say I believe in healthy love. If I fall in love with a woman, that's awesome. If I fall in love with a man, that's awesome. As long as, as long as you fall in love. It's like organic food. I only eat healthy food and I only want healthy love.

[Will]

Okay.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

I hate, I just, I hated that so much.

[Will]

It's. I know, I know you hate you, you hate the, the way they like to paid food as healthy or clean.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah, the clean. It's like this idea of like I'm only eating healthy or clean food because it inherently makes it so that other food is dirty. If you're like, oh, I only eat clean, then the other side of that coin is that there is then dirty food.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

And so it's just like the way that she talks about food. Don't love it. From 2009, 2018, Michaels was in a relationship with a lady named Heidi. They adopted a two year old daughter from Haiti.

[Will]

And.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

And in May 12, May 2012, Heidi gave birth to a son. And this is a fun fact. I found out the only reason I really brought this up because her relationships really don't matter. Right.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

But Jillian wrote a pregnancy book called yeah, Baby, the Modern Mama's Guide to Mastering Pregnancy, Having a Healthy Baby and Bouncing Back Better Than Ever by Jillian Michaels. And as soon as I saw this, number one, she did not carry the child.

[Will]

She's never been pregnant.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

She's never been pregnant.

[Will]

Yeah. And you've been pregnant.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

Okay.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Okay.

[Will]

Yeah. I just want to be clear about that. You're the expert in this situation as someone who has been pregnant.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

So.

[Will]

But imagine if I wrote a book about your pregnancy.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

If you wrote a book called yeah, Baby, the Modern Mama's Guide to Mastering Pregnancy and Having a Healthy Baby and Bouncing Back Better Than Ever. It's the bouncing back better than ever.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

That really. I was like, oh, like my skin crawled. Yeah. Anyway, I went and I looked at the reviews online and there are some really funny reviews. My favorite one said that was just, like, terrible advice. Advice is untenable. Clearly written by someone who's never been pregnant. Good smoothie recipes, though. Good smoothie recipes. I was like, honestly, I'm deep in the smoothie game. So that's the one thing she got right about parenthood, is when you got a toddler, you're deep in the smoothies because you don't have time to eat anything else.

[Will]

Yeah. This is incredible.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

So her and her partner break up at some point, and now she's married to a different lady. And I didn't really look into her. Okay, here's the thing. I did look into her, but all I could tell is that whoever her new wife is, she never smiles on her Instagram. This woman never smiles. Even in their wedding photos. She doesn't smile when they're at the White House. Oh, something a little foreshadowing together. She doesn't smile. This woman never smiles. It's very Ally McBeal. So anyway, that's her new wife, the lady that doesn't smile.

[Will]

Okay.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

In 2010ish, Jillian Michaels gets sued. Oh, and I think we should take a little break before we come back and talk about why she got sued.

[Will]

All right.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

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[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

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[Will]

That's not the itinerary we're following.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

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[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Jillian's Reuben sandwich recipe by Jillian Michaels.

[Will]

Which made me more upset than anything I've ever experienced in my entire life because I've never heard someone ruin a Reuben sandwich like that. With the exception say that of a restaurant in Indianapolis, Indiana.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

I will say that the comments on Patreon we made so many people upset with that recipe they left their houses and went and bought Reuben sandwiches to eat them and heal.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

So I'm glad we're having a positive.

[Will]

And there's also a ASMR about me saying the word squelch in a way that is at the very end of that vibing with the food idiot. We also do the after party on there which is where we react to your YouTube and Patreon comments about every single episode. So you can see the best comments or the worst comments.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

A lot of the worst comments, we.

[Will]

Grab them and we get, we react to them. Back to you guys. So it's a hyperbolic chamber of just content and reactions. Promania500.net join us $5 today.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Okay, so anyway, 2010, 2010 Jillian Michaels gets sued in a class action lawsuit for false advertising with the marketing of Jillian Michaels maximum strength calorie control. So these are some pills. Hold on, let me put them up on the screen for you.

[Will]

Okay.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

That she claimed Would promote weight loss by only taking two pills before a meal and it would make you not as hungry.

[Will]

I remember seeing these. Yeah, I remember because like, it was that one.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Calorie control.

[Will]

Yeah. Calorie control. I, I don't remember if it was like GNC had a poster. Was it GNC had a poster for him. Because this is around 2010. You said. Okay, this is when I was a mall cop.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yep.

[Will]

And there are bees. Like, we had a GNC in the mall. And I remember walking past this poster all the time and being like, why is that lady the maddest Uncle Sam I've ever seen?

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

Because she's pointing into it like, I want you to lose weight.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

She's pointing, but it's mostly about her low waisted goddamn yoga capris. I also someone with hips. You don't understand. They're the worst.

[Will]

I also like that they clearly used Photoshop to change the pants from black to white.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

In some of these.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

Because it's the same shot. Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

So the, so again, the idea of those pills, the calorie control was that you would take some pills before you ate and then you wouldn't be as hungry. I, I guess they were Metamucil. Anyway, they weren't. The case was dismissed. But here's the thing. As I'm, as I was reading the lawsuit, I'm like, this woman screams in people's faces. She screams on the Internet. She screams on her DVDs and in her books that you need to work out to lose weight. So why the fuck are you selling pills? Yeah, why are you selling pills to reduce someone's hunger. That is against what you say, right?

[Will]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

So anyway, she gets sued again, okay. For false advertising for her fat burner pills. Here's another bottle of pills. Let me show you those.

[Will]

Let me take a look.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

So, yep, it's the same bottle, it's the same box. But these are fat burner pills.

[Will]

Oh, this is the white pants versus the black pants.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

Okay, now I see the difference. Calorie control versus is fat burner control.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

That's you eat them before your meal and then you feel full so you don't eat as much. Now fat burner is the, the ones that we were like speed, you know what I mean? Stacker two, Stacker twos. These are basically stacker twos.

[Will]

I remember stacker.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

So she gets sued because they don't work and they. She gets sued for false advertising. Then she gets sued again for this other bottle of pills that she sells that are called Triple Process, Total Body, Detox and cleanse. Again. It's the same box, same picture.

[Will]

No, this is crazy. It's literally the same thing. She just keeps changing the title.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah. And she's changing what's inside. So I wanted to read you about this specific one, the Triple Process Body Detox and Cleanse.

[Will]

I love. Anytime somebody says detox, I instantly know that we're in. Who evil.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

We're gonna. And we're gonna be shaking ourselves every.

[Will]

But. But it's always. It's always a detox. Yeah, it's always a detox. And it's always, we're getting detox. We're going to cleanse. And I'm like, okay, you mean sober up. Yeah, because that's really what you're. What you mean half the time. It's just like, we're going to drink water for a few days.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah. It's going to be a bummer. It's going to suck because diet Dr. Pepper. So much better.

[Will]

Yeah. Okay.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

She gets sued for $10 million for, quote, actively and fraudulently conspiring to hide the alleged dangers of the product. The pills said they would, quote, reduce belly bloat, increase energy and reduce body waste buildup, support the colon and digestive system, support the liver's natural detoxification process, and make you feel lighter and more energized. These are going to make you shit yourself. She's describing diarrhea.

[Will]

Yeah, that's the detox. That is the detox.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

That's the cleanse.

[Will]

Yeah, the cleanse and detox is always just diarrhea and douches.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

We did this last year when we talked about, I think the Kellogg's.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yep.

[Will]

And all those different guys. Like, half the time. I don't know why it always. All workout stuff inherently ends up coming out of your butt. But that's the reason why I don't believe in stuff like detox and cleanse. I believe in stuff like kratom.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

No.

[Will]

Drink Kratom.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Kratom that bottle down. No, it's not about how you pronounce it.

[Will]

It's about the how you get it in. Okay, There is two servings in this. All right. And I've lost this much weight by taking all of the Kratom. Drink Kratom. Suck dick behind a gas station.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Whoa. According to the suit, several of the ingredients included in this progress product, such as Irish moss powder, bear berry, and Chinese rhubarb, can be harmful to your health.

[Will]

Okay, hold on. Slow down. Calm down. What? What did you just say to Me, it sounded. I just want. Hold on. I just want you to know that if I was playing Dungeons and Dragons.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

And the DM said. And then you came across Irish moss powder, bear berry, and Chinese rhubarb, I would be like, you're lazy and you're using chat to write your fucking. To write your game.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Well, before chat. GPT.

[Will]

Yeah. What the fuck is Irish moss powder?

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

I don't know. Something she put in these pills to make it so that you would detox and cleanse. The lawsuit alleged that the Irish moss caused, quote, gastrointestinal ulcers, and that bear berry is known to cause nausea and vomiting. And that Chinese rhubarb has, quote, a harsh laxative and dangerous diuretic effect that can cause irreversible liver damage. And the supplement as a whole, quote, might kill you. That was from tmz. I'm just saying. That wasn't my words.

[Will]

That was tmz. The supplement. My what? Say again? The supplement. My what?

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Your supplement. Your what?

[Will]

No, the supplement might. What?

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Kill you.

[Will]

Oh, there we go.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

So in February 2011, Jillian Michaels starts a weekly podcast. Maybe the microphones are too cheap. She starts a podcast called Keeping It Real with Jillian Michaels.

[Will]

Oh, no.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

And guess what? Her podcast won the best new audio podcast category for Apple on itunes.

[Will]

Oh, really?

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Anyway, like. And subscribe and give us five stars because it's. Jillian Michaels gets these positive reviews on her podcast. We need good reviews. Subscribe, ring the bell. Leave a comment, y'. All.

[Will]

I cannot. It's one of the best new audio I even did. I didn't even know Apple had a podcasting award. They must have got it right.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

They got rid of it when they. Michael just kept winning.

[Will]

Well, I think it's more because they're like, oh, no, I've discovered what we've done.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

Yeah. Let's see. Check. I'm just trying to see. Oh, she's from Club Random Student.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Don't skip ahead. Put down your phone.

[Will]

I came here to see if she has ratings. How many ratings she has? She has worse ratings than us.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

Which is great. It makes me happy.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Good. Now put your phone down.

[Will]

But I know I. I literally learned something immediately.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

How dare you?

[Will]

I just. I'm sorry that I spoiled the episode for myself.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

In 2016. In 2016. I'm skipping ahead a couple years. In 2016, Jillian Michael stated that President elect Donald Trump's running mate, Mike Pence was, quote, the number one anti gay politician in the country right now.

[Will]

And that was true.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

That was true.

[Will]

At the time. Yeah. Mike Pence, who was the governor of Indiana, was incredibly. He was against gay marriage. All these different things. And remember, gay marriage only became legal in 2015 with the Ogbarfell v. Hogs Hodge, whatever. The Agravel ruling by the Supreme Court, which guess what, everybody they are looking at maybe revisiting because that Kim Davis.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

With her bump it in.

[Will]

They keep bringing that out of storage. And I don't understand how Kim Davis. I don't know what Kim Davis has been doing for the last.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Just growing her ugly hair.

[Will]

That's.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

And getting another divorce.

[Will]

Yeah. That's all she does.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

She's always talking about the sanctity of marriage because she's had four of which Them.

[Will]

Yeah. I don't want to hear.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

You are not the person to talk about this.

[Will]

She's known as the Eiffel Tower of Kentucky.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Whoa.

[Will]

Because how often does Kim Davis get it at both ends? I don't know, but it's probably a lot more than the average person. That is my opinion and a joke that I am writing here.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Comedy podcast.

[Will]

Comedy podcast. And we tell jokes and sometimes we read the tea.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

Of some bitches out there because it's called Too many tabs. But yeah. So Jillian Michaels In 2016, like a lot of people.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Mm.

[Will]

We're like, hey, this Donald Trump guy and his. And his vice president, Michael Pence. They're. They're bad. And they're bad for gaming. They're that for the. They're bad for the LGBTQ community. Plus community.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

Yeah, the LGBTQ plus community. Okay. I just want to just. I just want to just make sure that we got all the letters in there.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

Okay.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

So also in 2016, she releases a clothing line at Walmart.

[Will]

Okay.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Called Impact. Now here's a quote from the release, the press release that was sent out, right? The line is built across. Oh, the line is built around workout capris, you bitch. Stop selling low waisted workout capris.

[Will]

She loves them. That's her thing.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Low wasted workout capris, sports bras, pullover hoodies, tanks, leggings and T shirts. Clothing features include moisture wicking and quick drying properties, flat lock stitching, reflective details and stretch fabrics, period. Then it says plus sizes and accessories will be added soon. So she didn't. This is the thing. This is a thing that people get so mad about. And I agree with. She didn't have plus sizes already in the range when it released. So she just did quote standard sizes. Even though it's a workout line, Even though she is targeting overweight people. She still doesn't want to dress them in her clothing to have her name on the T shirts and on their bodies. Yeah, yeah. It's such a.

[Will]

Which is not what Richard Simmons did.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

No.

[Will]

Richard Simmons is like, I want everyone to work out, no matter what your size, and I want you to be able to be comfortable working out. And that's the thing in general, that's one of the things that always drives me crazy. And actually right around the time of 2016, which brings us into the Reddit of it all.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

Which I don't know if you know about the subreddit fat people hate.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

No.

[Will]

So that was an early psyop by people like Steve Bannon and like others.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Okay.

[Will]

Where it's around Gamergate, around that entire time it was on Reddit, they wanted to make a hate sub.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Okay.

[Will]

And they realized we can hate fat people.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

And what they did is they. They went and created this thing where they could just mock fat people. Fat people who are working at the gym, fat people existing, all these different things. And they took all of the racism and bigotry, misogyny and all these different things, and they just crafted it and tweaked it slightly to be about fat people. The stuff you're hearing right now about clankers and robots, all of that is just reworked racism, except. Oh, we're just doing it about robots. No, what you're doing is you're tricking a generation of people into being okay with activating their hate muscles. And then one day you're going to take away that. That thing. So in this case, it was fat people. And then you're going to aim it at trans people, you're going to aim it at immigrants, you're going to aim it at gay people, women's, black people, all these different people. And then you'll just. They're already used to working out this one way, now they're going to work out another. And with Jillian Michaels, what she knows and what she's been targeting this entire time, which is she wants fat people to feel bad, but if they actually are seen in public working out at a gym, then she wants them to be mocked.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yes.

[Will]

That's what she's putting out into the universe, is they should be mocked so that way they'll want to work out harder. However, we all know human processes, which is, if I'm. Why would I go to a place to feel bad?

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

So if I'm an overweight person who physically already feels bad about my body and I go to the gym and And I see a series of gym bros staring at me, pointing. Or I see people pull out their phone and start to record me. So I can end up on a subreddit somewhere, or I can end up on an Instagram account of people making fun of me without me ever even fucking know it. Why would I ever go there? And then Jillian's response is, well, use my DVD and start at home. Yeah, this is why the home workout was being pushed so much. So you won't feel comfortable about going to the gym and maybe finding an actual personal trainer that fits for you who might actually be able, like, hey, you're trying to do too much too early. Yeah, we're going to slowly. This is a six month.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Or you might make a friend where.

[Will]

You might make a friend. And instead now stay home, work out, listen to a podcast, get pipelined by fucking incels. And then slowly they're going to tell you to join their patreon@Pearl Mania500.net and then you need to buy their. Their merch, which comes in many different sizes.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

We hit all the sizes. I made sure that all every size. Offered, we offered, offered, we offer. Okay, there we go. And lots of colors that I picked.

[Will]

And lots of colors.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

And I would never, ever sell low waisted Capri workout pants.

[Will]

That's the line. I love how. I love how after all of the brand stuff that we've done that you've tricked me and forced me into, where I'm like, I don't know about this, but if I came to you, I'd be like, all right, well, we're gonna have you sell a line of low waist to be like, no, absolutely.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

My ethics, my ethics, my morals, my laurels.

[Will]

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[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Looks very cute, but they also have it.

[Will]

Thank you very much. They also have it in long sleeve. Versions. I have a three quarter zip and more. I also really like some of the looks of the pants that they got on there.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

I'm excited to get a couple sweaters for the fall.

[Will]

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[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Quits.comtmt and so we've established, yes, she rich Jillian Michael, very successful off the back of bullying overweight people.

[Will]

Yes. And, and the one thing I will say is, is she's she. We believe. We don't know the exact.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

We don't know.

[Will]

We don't know the exact number because she got sued so many times. But I would say that she probably has enough money at this point that she doesn't need to work again. Yeah, I think there's, there's a certain.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Level of money like live simply, you.

[Will]

Know, you could just have a good life.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

You could have a good life and you could be out there with your kids in a nice house and always be able to afford your property taxes for the rest of your. And probably your kid's life. I mean that's the amount of money I'm going to assume she has.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

I don't know what that dollar amount is.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Have you ever considered that you still need attention all the time anyway?

[Will]

I have considered that. I have considered that I still need attention all the time. Okay. I, that's why I need to be skinny.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah. To get the attention. So, okay, we've established her success. We've talked about the biggest loser. So let's say what's she doing now with her podcast? Right. Michaels. Recently. I'm using recently kind of like vaguely. Right.

[Will]

Okay.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Recently formed a partnership with Bill Maher's club Random to expand her audio podcast.

[Will]

Oh my God. What?

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

I know you're shocked.

[Will]

I'm shocked. I'm so shocked that she would. The Random club. Random is Bill Maher.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

So here's the thing. She talks a lot about the whole clean eating and the organic eating across the board. I, I found that everywhere in every book and DVD and all of her websites have like, she's obsessed with like clean eating. And stuff like that. And a lot of her thought process is that, like the GMOs and the pesticides and all that is what's causing cancer and making kids autistic. That whole thing. Yeah, that whole belief system. Right. And like, we've had this discussion. I agree. That we should not be pumping maybe as much pesticide on our food. Right.

[Will]

Yes. 100.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Probably not great that we're eating chemicals like this. Right. But the way that she goes about it, I don't think is the proper way to go about it. Like seeking help with this specific administration.

[Will]

Yes.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

To fix the problem. Seems like the bad choice. And I'm going to prove I'm probably right about it because here's a clip from this Instagram where she's talking to, again, the head of the epa and she presents her case, which I think she's. It's a valid argument about regulating the way that our American food is processed through and how the Environmental Protection Agency could help. Right. And so this guy listens to her and his response tells me everything I need to know. When I look at the reasons that.

[Will]

I might have nodules on my thyroid or I might have little white matter.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Lesions on my brain, or God forbid.

[Will]

I get cancer in the next 10.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Years, I promise you it won't be a lack of exercise or eating salad.

[Will]

So it's the crap that you, to be fair not to leave this at.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Your feet, are solely responsible for that.

[Will]

I think is going to make the biggest difference.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Because the most responsible person cannot mitigate.

[Will]

This toxic load in a significant enough way. It's in the water, it's in the air.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

It's in everything we package our food in.

[Will]

So I think it's just in this report.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Is there anything that will facilitate your ability to remove some of that crap?

[Will]

That really is the question.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah, she cuts it off there. She doesn't even show him answering it on her own Instagram. And famously, the EPA deregulated every single safety net that existed as soon as this guy was installed.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah. So when it comes to talking to. To the wrong guy, speaking on to the ears that aren't listening.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

I was like, flabbergasted.

[Will]

Well, it's the reason why is so what she's saying there is not wrong.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

I know.

[Will]

Is what she's saying there is not wrong because we can't mitigate. You can't mitigate what is going to be poured into your river, where your drinking water comes from, and poured into the air. If you have a power plant down the street or any of these different places. Or like, maybe if you live in Memphis, Tennessee, and you have the Twitter AI factory that's down the road poisoning all of your water and doing even noise pollution from these different places.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

All those different things, which all should be covered by the epa. All of that. She isn't wrong about that. But also her asking the questions for her audience makes her audience feel like this man is actually dealing with it. And so when she cut off of him saying yeah, but she cut it off at him saying, yeah. Her audience has now heard enough.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

Jillian went. She. She spoke truth to power. They didn't fucking listen. They didn't do anything about it. But now they're not going to think about the fact that Lee Zeldin is pouring cancer into their drinking water and that Lee Zeldin is going to sit back with all of the different board of directors from across Wall street and destroy our fucking neighborhoods.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

Because she's there to wash it for them.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

So, okay, and then I kept scrolling.

[Will]

Okay.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

And I found this video of her with Bill Maher. And she's telling him all about how fluoride in the water is bad, and she's defending RFK Jr. For working to remove fluoride from the water. Mr. Third, can we put up a picture of RFK Jr. Swimming in the contaminated water of Rock Creek despite it being banned because of the bacteria levels? That's a guy I trust with water. That's what I'm saying.

[Will]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Okay. So then I found this video of her talking to this Benny Johnson guy.

[Will]

Yes.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

And I don't know who that is.

[Will]

Okay, so real quick.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Wait. Oh, okay.

[Will]

Real fun.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

I'm really excited.

[Will]

Okay. Okay. I need to tell you who Benny Johnson is. Okay, so Benny Johnson. Did you do any research about him at all?

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

No.

[Will]

Okay, so Benny Johnson famously used to work in. At Buzzfeed. Oh, okay, so he worked at Buzzfeed back in the day, back when everybody was screaming about Buzzfeed being too woke. Yeah, Right. They're always complaining about man spreading and all the different shit. Benny Johnson got fired from Buzzfeed for plagiarism.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Okay.

[Will]

Okay. He then did a hard right pivot. He moved into becoming a MAGA grifter. He's also been tied in heavily with Turning Point usa. He was also in the report when all the stuff about Tim Pool and Dave Rubin and others came out about them taking Russian money through a secret backdoor. Okay. To be able to push Ukrainian, anti Ukrainian propaganda. Okay. And also Benny Johnson has been accused of being bisexual and cheating on his pregnant wife with 19 year old men at Turning Point USA events. From the. I believe Milo Yannopoulos has accused Benny Johnson of getting his, the back of his throat rocked by a guy in a closet while his pregnant wife looked for him at Turning Point USA events. That was a tweet that happened a few times and it comes up all the time. Yashar Ali often makes little comments here and there about how everyone knows that Benny Johnson is, let's just say the Nancy Reagan of the MAGA movement.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Throat goat.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

So here's the thing. I found this video of Benny Johnson.

[Will]

Oh. And Benny Johnson was just real fast. I'm sorry, I know I have it this week. Oh, go ahead.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

So Benny Johnson was talking to her and about Jeffrey Epstein.

[Will]

This is how you control a planet, right? You, you get compromising material on Bill Clinton, you get compromising material on Prince Andrew and, and, and many, many global leaders. 10,000 tapes worth. I guess that's right. And that's what they've admitted. That's what the, the federal law enforcement has admitted that they've been staging a massive cover up of this. And when the Feds raided his Manhattan mansion, Epstein's, they found boxes of hard drives that were marked evidence, had yellow evidence tape wrapped around them, put there by Jeffrey Epstein. It was Jeffrey Epstein's evidence. They cracked his safe. They found bags of diamonds, multiple passports to different foreign countries. They'd never told us whom or where. And you could clearly see that this was, this was obviously the operation. Now here's the final interesting thing, okay? Donald Barr has a son. That son's name is Bill Barr. Bill Barr was in charge of the Justice Department when Jeffrey Epstein was killed. It was in fact Bill Barr's handwritten report that told all of us that Jeffrey Epstein killed himself in a cell with some toilet paper and a bunk bed that was only four feet off the ground while he was supposed to be in solitary confinement. When the cameras were switched off, just happened to be. And all the guards fell asleep. He worked for Donald Trump.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah, so?

[Will]

And he worked for Donald Trump. Bill Barr was hired by Donald Trump as a fixer to cover up the Russiagate scandal. And you were paid by fucking Russia. Benny Johnson, you throat goaded bitch. You fucking Alcatraz. This is the guy who wore the alligator Alcatraz hat. Oh, who was like, my God, look, we have a concentration camps and they have merch. That was this motherfucker. Oh, this dude is the ultimate fucking MAGA propagandist. Donald Trump fucking loves this guy. And here he is paying the entire thing. Oh, no, there is a Donald involved. Donald Barr. No, it was Donald Trump. It was Donald Trump.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Ghislaine Maxwell, he has the board for the audio listener.

[Will]

I have the board. I have the fucking board in my hand. Here's a picture of Benny Johnson wearing an alligator Alcatraz hat and telling people, telling his viewers to go buy it so more people would be wearing concentration camp merchants as they go to the fucking beach, which we saw when we were at the fucking boardwalk. We saw boardwalk T shirt stores in fucking Delaware selling alligator Alcatraz merch. This is who this bitch is platforming. Jillian Michaels from the Biggest Loser is platforming Benny fucking Johnson to her people, who for the most part just want to lose a couple pounds. They just wanted to know how to do a bicep curl properly. Because Jillian Michaels training is the equivalent of a fucking Planet Fitness lunk who makes sure that they hit the fucking alarm when some big muscled steroid junkie drops a goddamn weight. That's who we have on here. That's why she's offering no pushback about the fucking Jeffrey Epstein list or the EPA or about fucking immigrants being locked up with no fucking due process. Oh my God, she is Joe Rogan. You're right.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

I know. Also, this was posted on May 15th. Do you think that their opinions have.

[Will]

Changed about the Epstein list? Yeah, I know. This is back when they were still wanted to push the Epstein list. Now, Jeff, now Benny Johnson doesn't want to talk about it at all.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

He wants to talk about big ball.

[Will]

Will the President consider giving the Presidential Medal of Freedom to Big balls in throat goat? Benny Johnson's world? Yeah, big balls. Yeah, of course. Of course. Benny Johnson thinks big balls. He hears about a 19 year old guy named Big Balls and he can't wait to just shower.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

He said, put me in a chair.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Next to this is the podium.

[Will]

I'll sit in the corner and I'll sit here and I'll talk all about Big Balls because my name is Benny Johnson.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Let's do a quick speed run through some of the other things I saw on the Instagram.

[Will]

Sure, go ahead.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Okay. Russell Brand praying with her.

[Will]

Oh, God damn it.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

That rapist, that Russell, Russell Brand's praying with her and he congratulates her on her marriage to a strong man.

[Will]

Wait, isn't she married to a woman?

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yes.

[Will]

Okay.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

He like, he's just like. He's like. I can just tell that a really strong man has to be Married to you. And she's like, I'm married to a woman. That's incredible. Honestly. Megyn Kelly, of course. Tony Robbins talking about border control.

[Will]

What?

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Dr. Phil talking about border what? Matt Walsh talking about how racism isn't real and gays shouldn't be allowed to get married. They had a conversation about it.

[Will]

That's incredible.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Her and Bill O'Reilly.

[Will]

Oh, Jesus Christ.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Her and Candace Owens.

[Will]

Okay.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Candace Owens, in her clip is talking about how Harvey Weinstein is innocent.

[Will]

What the fuck?

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Because the women that were brought in to testify against him couldn't recognize his very recognizable penis. An interview with Vivek Ramaswamy where he.

[Will]

Says, you got that so wrong.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Vivek Ramaswamy.

[Will]

No, it's. Yeah, no, I know, but it's the way you said it. It's incredible. I. I'm just. I'm. You actually pronounce it so wrong that I'm actually proud of you.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Okay.

[Will]

Because that man does not deserve respect after what Ann Coulter said to him. And he gave absolutely no pushback.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah. Yeah. So in her interview with him, he's talking about how people in SNAP shouldn't be allowed to buy soda.

[Will]

Oh, yeah, they're big on this soda.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

And he's framing it because it's bad for their health. So she actually asked him a pretty solid question about this in which she's like, well, shouldn't we actually be looking at lobbying reform? Because she's like, the soda companies lobby the government to allow soda to be used by snap. Right. So she's just kind of coming at it from a different angle. Yeah, because she's like, lobbying is bad. And she's also like, Big Agriculture and Big Farm are always lobbying, and that's what she's against.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

And he literally pivots. He does not answer. He is like, no, no, we can't ever talk bad about lobbying. Coca Cola.

[Will]

But more importantly, though, about lobbying, because he knows that if they were to go after lobbying, that they would be in so much trouble.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

Because lobbying is how all of these massive corporations are able to control our government. And lobbying is where people like Vivek Ramaswamy and all these other politicians like Lee Zeldin and others, are able to get kickbacks.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

Lobbyists are the ones who buy them tickets to Washington football games. Lobbyists are the ones who put our Supreme Court justices on planes and take them on lavish trips.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

We're just describing pharmaceutical reps 100%.

[Will]

Tying it right back to our. Our Liver King episode. Yeah, but. But the. The. The thing is what's crazy. And again, I want to tie this back a little bit again to your. Your thesis at the beginning of this, that she's just like Joe Rogan. Because just like Joe Rogan, she is 75 of what they're saying is accurate.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

And she's even accidentally coming to the right conclusions sometimes. It's. She's being also used by people where. I think it's also one of those things. She thinks she's using them.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

And it's. That's not how this works.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

She's not providing any pushback or follow up questions.

[Will]

She's not Barbara Walters. She's not. But she's not a. She's not a well researched interviewer in these types of ways. And she's not used to being used like this.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

And to realize that they are using her for her audience.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

She also does a really shitty duet with a video of Bill Burr where he says, free Luigi. And then she gets all mad about Free Luigi, which is crazy because I'm pretty sure she said she hated like the big medical health insurance companies. But she's like, you shouldn't murder them. But I'm like, okay, babe, pick a lane. And then there's a video.

[Will]

Yeah, yeah. Wait, wait, you're pro insurance companies now? Pick one.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

I don't know.

[Will]

That's crazy. But also UnitedHealthcare, like that, that CEO.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Also like picking Bill Burr as an enemy of the pod.

[Will]

Insane.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Couldn't be me.

[Will]

Insane. And real quick, I. Bill, I do have a bone to pick with you about going to the Riyadh Comedy Festival, but after scrolling through your wife's Instagram, you need the money. So I saw, I saw. That's all.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Deserves those vacations.

[Will]

She deserves that trip to Lake Cuomo.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

She lives with Buer. She deserves the vacations. Okay, I know I should know.

[Will]

Yeah, I know I should know.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Let's explore the events that shaped the Middle Ages.

[Will]

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[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

That's not how we tell the story.

[Will]

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[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

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[Will]

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[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

I wanna, I wanna talk. I wanna open up with what I'm gonna call Hypocrite corner here. Okay. So I have an Instagram from quite a while ago. And here in this Instagram video I'm gonna play you, she's gonna say I don't like cold plunges. Now cold plunges. What Liver King told us we needed.

[Will]

Yes. And it's what Joe Rogan does a lot.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Exactly.

[Will]

Which we showed. We've shown his nipples too many times. Do not put his nipples up there again.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Put them up. Do it.

[Will]

Really what you need is to take.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

A cold shower two to three minutes a day. You don't need a crazy ice bath. And in fact extreme cold exposure can be counterintuitive, intuitive. Now we, we're gonna show the next video that's from not too long ago and see if she's, if she's holding the line.

[Will]

Okay. Yeah, let's see.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

This is her jumping in cold bath.

[Will]

This is such a cool.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

With her affiliate link.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

That she is selling. And I looked it up, I followed the link. I wanted to know how much is that cold bath that she's selling.

[Will]

How much is the cold bath?

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

$20,000 is the starting pass. So $20,000 to have that cold bath put in your backyard.

[Will]

But don't worry, she's showing off her tummy. She's showing. Look how tight it makes your tummy.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Those low waisted capris that. Yeah. That's the same one Joe Rogan has.

[Will]

Oh, it's the same one. It's the exact same.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

It's the exact same.

[Will]

It's the exact same model.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Exact same model. Make and go to their website. Well, no, not the same man. Because when you go to their website to look at these and I'm trying to figure out how much they cost, they talk about on their website how Joe Rogan had a custom model built which starts at above $20,000 for the custom.

[Will]

Gotcha.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

And so this first one, it says 149 weeks ago. 149 weeks. So that's about two years. No, sorry, three years. Because there's 52 weeks in a year.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Okay.

[Will]

So almost three years ago she was like cold.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

No, she didn't say. She's like, you don't need a bath, guys. Just take a quick two minute shower.

[Will]

Yeah. That does the same thing.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Money. It'll help you get rid of whatever the thing is that they're saying gets rid of.

[Will]

Gotcha. So 33 weeks ago, you need a cold plunge.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Twenty thousand dollar cold plunge.

[Will]

Gotcha. Gotcha.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

I call it Hypocrite Corner right there.

[Will]

And. And can I tell y' all real quick, if you do want to do a cold plunge and you have a bathtub in your house, throw some ice cubes in that.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

Fill it up. Fill up. Fill it up with cold water. Drop some ice cubes in there.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Doing this.

[Will]

No, you're not gonna catch us doing it.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

That sounds terrible.

[Will]

I don't like. I don't like having a bad time, and I only have one life to live.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Exactly.

[Will]

That's my view of everything.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Oh, no.

[Will]

I only have one life to live and I don't like having a bad time. Why am I gonna.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Why am I in a cold bath?

[Will]

Yeah. This is insane.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Okay, listen, I need to get to the crux of the issue, okay, which is, are you asking yourself, why did she pivot? Right. Like, what was the reason for this pivot? To become the lady Joe Rogan.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

In my opinion, is that, like, so she has all the fitness stuff, she's making all the money, she has kickboxing, she's getting paid by streaming services. She has all the things. Right. Why is she pivoting? And so I have a video of her talking about why she pivoted on Joe Rogan.

[Will]

Oh, well, I'm going to play it for you.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Right.

[Will]

So we had the female Joe Rogan speaking to the male Joe Rogan about.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Why she decided she needed to pivot. You could be healthy at any size.

[Will]

That psyop was in full effect. That must have drove you crazy.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Oh, I was.

[Will]

I was completely unraveling.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

People ask me, like, what happened? You were a good liberal.

[Will]

You're still a good liberal. If you go back to the old definition, I haven't changed.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

She called health at any size a psyop. Health at any size was her line in the sand, according to her. Also further into this episode, she does, like, get real turfy too.

[Will]

Yeah. About trans people.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

About trans people.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

So health at any size was her line in the sand. Now kidnapping children, taking away people's Medicare, nullifying the legality of her own marriage. Not important. Health at any size.

[Will]

Yeah. Because she hates fat people. She hates fat people. She hates fat People. And she hates trans people. And that was more important to her. Leaning on that button was more important to her than anything else in her life.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah. Because if she can't make fat people feel deep shame for their body size, how can she profit off of it? Right. And so that's what she says. She's like, health at any size is the reason. And trans people are the reason that she made this pivot. And also, I don't. I think she talks about this. I think she moved to Texas or. And then maybe Florida.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

I don't know. She got out of California because California got too woke.

[Will]

Oh, okay. Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

So she was born and raised California, but she moved because it got.

[Will]

Do you know, did she say when she moved?

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

It was when they all did.

[Will]

In 2020. Around. Around 2020 time. It's so crazy because they're all. It's. It's. I didn't love White Lotus the season we watched, and I know, you know, through season three, but that one lady who moved there and, like, you didn't vote for Trump, did you? And she's like, yeah, that face the.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Meme with her country, Little Bob.

[Will]

But that is so many of them. Yeah, so many of them. And then even what she and Rogan are claiming. No, no, we're still classically liberal. That's exactly what Tim Pool claims. Yeah, that's exactly what so many of these different guys claim. They. They all do the same thing. I didn't leave the left. The left left me. No, it didn't. Progress happened. And you decided one day that you were done with progress, so you decided to conserve the year that you peaked. That is when you transitioned from being a progressive to a conservative. And the thing that annoys with all these fuckers, especially like her, just fucking admit that's what you are now. That's the thing. You want to be a Nazi, Be a fucking Nazi. Put the goddamn armband on. Don't tell me that you're a race realist or that you're actually a traditional liberal or any of these fucking shits you want. Oh, no, I actually believe. I believe in people should be healthy. No, you hate fat people. I fucking just wear the goddamn label. There's no censorship on anything. The only thing that's been censored is that I can't talk about this fucking list on goddamn TikTok anymore. That's what's being censored. We can't talk about the music festival in la, which is how people have to talk about protests now. We can't Talk about martial law being declared in the nation's capital. We can't talk about any of this goddamn shit. But you got slight pushback. You got the tiniest cultural pushback that ended up showing up on your fucking balance sheet one day, Jillian Michaels, about your fucking fitness stepper empire. And you went, oh, no, I might not be able to afford a seventh house. Oh, no, I might not be able to go to Jeff Bezos wedding without fucking blinking. You weren't even fucking invited. Fucking all of this bullshit is all because these fucking people felt that one day the line might slightly go down. So you panicked and became a fucking conservative. Stop pretending that you're a lib. You were only ever of the left because one day you realized you loved a woman. And then the only people that were against that were fucking conservatives. But guess what? The roadblock for you getting married got picked up. They cleared it out of the fucking street. And then you said, got mine. Pull the fucking ladder up behind me. Let me go blame trans people. Let me go blame fucking fat people. Let me go blame all these goddamn people in my fucking life. Everybody the fuck else. Because now you thought that you were the equivalent of a straight white man in America. Well, guess what, baby? You're about to find out you're fucking not. That's what we're all seeing right now. Every single. You want to fucking believe me? Go be a Cuban for Trump right now, Jillian Michaels. Go be you're a gay for Trump right now. How's that? Look at. Here's Kim Davis. They give a shit more about Kim Davis than you with your fucking eight pack abs. This fat bitch is standing there. Here's a picture of Kim Davis standing with our ambassador to Israel, Mike Huckabee. They give a shit more about her fucking opinion. You know why she turns out more votes than you? She's tied to more fucking churches than you are. Jillian Michaels, Joe Rogan, you guys turned out just enough. You pushed him over the border in seven fucking swing states. Well, guess what, baby? They don't need you anymore. Donald Trump, J.D. vance, Peter Thiel, all these fucking motherfuckers who are now gonna put troops into our streets. You know what? They did. They already got their nut. They already came. Why the fuck would they care about your opinion now? So they're gonna have Carolyn Levitz, gonna have you come to the White House and talk about Maha and all these other fun things to keep chucking stuff, stringing you fuck along as they make sure that they don't fucking ever need you again. Because why the fuck do they need your vote? Why do they need your audience? They have guns.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Well, I don't know how to follow that.

[Will]

Go ahead, you can follow.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Well, I know.

[Will]

Here's the thing. I know you. I gotta follow it because you've been married to me long enough.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

This is why me and Bill Burr's wife deserve vacation.

[Will]

Yeah. And that's the reason why I'm gonna perform at the Rihanna Comedy Festival. It's gonna be me and Andrew Schultz doing a live recording of the Flagrant podcast. I'm fucking serious.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

I know. I know he is. I think the blood money cashes check stronger over there, right? I don't know how it works.

[Will]

It's not blood money. It's blood crypto now. All right, let's all face it, all right? It's impossible to get blood on crypto because it's digital. It exists in the cloud. There's never been blood in clouds before. Except that time it rained blood in Egypt.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

No, so what I was thinking is when you were yelling about your rant, right there is the, the subtle pushback, the slight pushback, slightest was she made a comment that people shouldn't hold Lizzo in high esteem for body positivity. Because again, Lizzo, when Lizzo first came out, was around the time of health at any size. Like she was. Lizzo famously was a vegan. She was working out all the time. She was on tour. She was healthy at her size. Right. And. And Jillian Michaels got on some interview. I don't remember where it was, but was like, I don't think we should be putting her on a pedestal for the way her body looks. She's like, I like her music, but I don't think we should like, like her for her body.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

And she got what, pushback? Yeah, people were like, you don't talk about Lizzo that way.

[Will]

The same thing with Dave Chappelle. Yeah, it's the same thing with Dave Chappelle. When Dave Chappelle. I just talked about this on the Bituation Room. When Dave Chappelle came back to stand up after all those years, he did a stand up comedy special. It's what, an hour long? He had. He had a one joke in there about meeting a trans person.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

Everyone loved 58 minutes of that special. There were three tweets and one article about, I don't know, that trans joke kind of sucked. Yeah, I wouldn't do that again, Dave. But we love the rest of the special. And Dave, like all stand up comedians, flipped the fuck out. He was like, you're the one person. And instead of listening to the millions and millions of people that enjoyed the special, all these different things, he got the slightest pushback and made that his entire fucking personality. And now we're on what Year seven of Dave Chappelle screaming trans people. And here we are. She said a little thing about Lizzo and we're on year how many of fucking Jillian Michaels on Club Random, Bill Maher screaming about fat people. But that's the thing about Lizzo is Lizzo has proven like. Like Lizzo's concerts were exhausting. If you watch what she was doing, it didn't make sense. Which to Jillian Michael's other point about the. And the RFK's points and the Maha people's points about our food and how our bodies are able to process it, there is clearly something there in the industrialization of our agriculture, of our food, of the chemicals that are being poured into our river systems, into our air, and all these different things. And yes, we haven't wanted to talk about that because of lobbyists who, yes, they have lobbied both sides of the government, but it's crazy how much more they've lobbied the right side of it than the left.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

Meaning that the left side has had to constantly be on the defensive about this, which is why they've split the Democratic Party, which is like 50, 50 on fucking everything.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yes. Anyway, I don't think that. I think the pushback from Lizzo was the catalyst. Right. And I think that's where she started drawing the line in the sand of healthy at any size. And she's like, I got to pivot. I got to pivot. If these people think that they can be healthy at any size, how am I going to sell my app?

[Will]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Right. But then. But then the bomb came in. The bomb dropped. Because I believe, in my opinion, that the real reason for this hard line pivot to the right was because her enemy number one, above all vaccines and GMO peppers came out Ozempic.

[Will]

Oh.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

It made her shit chilling, obsolete.

[Will]

Oh.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

And I believe that this sent her fully over the edge into now. I think she's been a quack the whole time. She's been selling diet pills and protein powders and all this.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

So in my mind, she's been a quack, but I think this is when Ozempic started popping off and people were like, oh, there's this drug that can help me. She knew. She knew she wouldn't have the ability to shame fat people anymore. Yeah. And so here's a Post where we can see her vitriol hatred of Ozempic. I want to play it for you real quick.

[Will]

I'm not a fan of using drugs.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Like Ozempic to help facilitate weight loss. I wish it was an easy way out. If it was, I would tell you to take it. Number one, you will plateau on these drugs somewhere between weeks 68 and 72 people plateau on them. Which brings you right back to where you are now. Needing to find alternative ways forward to lose weight or maintain weight loss. Number two, you can never get off the drugs. What does this even look like? Being on this drug forever? Insurance is going to stop paying for it.

[Will]

It's expensive and it has a host of side effects.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Immediately I'm pissed. Okay. Because the host of side effects. I recall you getting sued three times for diet pills for Irish. Three different types of diet.

[Will]

There was Chinese rhubarb in it.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah. Like your TMC said, we were going.

[Will]

To die from shitting ourselves to death from your pills.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

And so she's sure sells a lot of unregulated pills with her six pack on display on the boxes. But people going to their medical care provider to get a prescription that was discovered in 1986 and has been around and tested since 1997 is a problem.

[Will]

Yeah. Which it was a medication that was Ozempic.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

And a lot of these was a medication that was originally designed to help people with diabetes.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yes.

[Will]

Who had especially diabetes that came from weight.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

And they discovered that it had other properties to it. And then they've been working on it that the same way. The same way. Ironically, Viagra, which is there's chewable forms of it from places like Blue Chew.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Not a sponsor.

[Will]

Not a sponsor. Enemy.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

If anything, enemy of the podcast.

[Will]

Somebody pointed out, by the way, a while ago we called the podcast Bros. Blue Chewers.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

So when Blue Chewers, like Jillian Michaels here is screaming about other medications. Viagra was originally designed as a heart medication because it's supposed to help your, your, your, your blood system.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

I forget the new word because we're not doctors.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Ventricles.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

I don't know.

[Will]

But, but your, your system push the blood through.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

And what is a boner if not blood being pushed through an organ of the body.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yep.

[Will]

That's all it is. And like everything she's saying in this is woo woo garbage. And in fact what she's saying about Ozempic, first thing, I love the way she framed it this way.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

You'll in 68 to 72 weeks. 72 months, she said monster did say. See, what did she say?

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

I don't know. Somewhere between weeks 68 and 72.

[Will]

That is a year and four months.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

So in a year and four months, you'll plateau.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

And by plateau, I think she means hit your goal weight. Yeah.

[Will]

You've reached a sustainable weight.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

I don't know.

[Will]

But like, like, But Jillian, if we follow your method.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

We should also plateau because eventually we will hit our goal weight.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

And want to maintain that. Like, again, we're not gonna infinitely lose weight forever. Like that's how you're.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

You can't tell her that because she's been on a diet since like 1991.

[Will]

Oh, I was gonna say she's anorexic.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

Like, I mean, in my, in my.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Opinion, when she was ranting about Ozan Epic and how bad it is, I was, I looked at the copy like this. The right. The written word underneath the video, the copy. And I realized it was an ad for this company called Healthy Wage. What do you think Healthy Wage is?

[Will]

I would think it's a non profit that is pushing to raise the minimum wage in Pennsylvania from $7 and 25 cents an hour to food 15.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Okay, that. So you, you would think like maybe $15 an hour would be a healthy wage.

[Will]

Yeah, I think that'd be a healthy wage.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Okay. It's actually a website where you can bet on your own weight loss.

[Will]

What? What?

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

So basically what it is is you sign up.

[Will]

Wait, she's doing DraftKings for your fat ass?

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yes, she is, baby.

[Will]

It's badass.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Joe Rogan as a lady.

[Will]

Oh my God.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

And it's called Healthy Wage. This episode is brought to you by Progressive Insurance.

[Will]

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[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

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[Will]

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[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

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[Will]

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[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

That's not how we tell the story.

[Will]

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[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

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[Will]

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[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

So I want to reiterate that when I started this episode, I was talking a lot about how I think, in my opinion, Jillian Michaels is just like Joe Rogan in that she lulls people into a specific thought process. They're like, oh, I'm here for a comedy podcast. And then suddenly they get pipelined.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

But for her it's like, oh, I'm here for delicious looking meal plans and weight loss.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

And then suddenly we're pipelined. Right. And so I want to show you her website. Okay. Jillian Michaels, the fitness app. That's her website.

[Will]

Whoa. So I just opened it up and she immediately did a push up right in my face.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Her website's really nice. It's a really nice website.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

So just scroll down.

[Will]

This is the website of a multi millionaire. Yeah, I'm just gonna.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

We have beautiful looking food under her custom meal plans.

[Will]

Yep, they look good.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

And so this is all on the app. You can get all these good. And then we have meditation, mindfulness, sleep. Aesthetically, this is a very pleasing website.

[Will]

Yeah. Here's community tracking. Music.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yep, music. Music. Yeah. So you can listen to her playlist.

[Will]

Okay.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

So then at the top of the thing, you see transformation. So again, more before and after pictures. Her blog, which is, you know, just gobbling up SEO and is just like recipes and shit. And then we have actual recipes. Her forums, which you can't get into unless you log in and pay for the trial. Now podcasts, Click on podcast.

[Will]

Clicking on podcast. There's a picture of her keeping it real with Jillian Michaels.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Scroll down.

[Will]

Going down.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

What's that say?

[Will]

Wait, what does that say? Does that say CIA regime changes? Epstein, Snowden? What the is happening right here?

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Exactly. She lulls you in with a sense of we're just doing crunches and we're meditating and bubba. And then once you click on her podcast, it's all of the horrors we just described on her Instagram.

[Will]

This, this episode she just has that came out very recent recently. How Blue Cities Collapse. California's Warning to America. What the fuck? Piers Morgan Unfiltered. I'm just looking at her Spotify right now. Yeah, because that was the easiest one to. To access. This is crazy.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

And this is why I think she's part of the healthy, crunchy pipeline. Right? Like, she. She gets the healthy, crunchy people in, and then she talks about GMOs and organic food and how they need to, like, be healthy because there's so many toxins and everything.

[Will]

Listen to this one. You're not free. Here's the proof with Keith Knight. Jillian sits down with Keith Knight, author of the Domestic Imperialism, to unpack how the United States, once the beacon of liberty, has quietly transformed into an empire that rules its own people. Knight argues that global elites and entrenched bureaucrats have hijacked the system, using domestic policy as a weapon to control citizens, enrich themselves, and erase the very principles that this country was founded on. Yeah, his. The President of the United States.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

Donald Trump, the guy you're supporting. Are you fucking kidding me? We're literally invading ourselves.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Well.

[Will]

Oh, my God.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Well, yeah, yeah. So anyway, in 2024, Michaels constantly discussed her backing and belief in Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. And his presidential campaign, praising his views on chronic health. And in a reversal of her prior comments regarding Trump, Michaels announced that she had voted for Donald Trump in the 2024 presidential election.

[Will]

And nobody shocked, because she herself got pipelined the same way. She is pipelining her people. Because just like Joe Rogan, just like the Ovan, just like Andrew Schultz and all these other different guys. Guys, RFK was the back door to get all of the crunchies and the loonies and all this different stuff onto the Trump train.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yeah.

[Will]

Because if you go back, go back to late 2023, go back to early 2024, you look at all of them and look at how RFK Jr. When he was running for president, especially as a Democrat, and doubled down as an independent, his way of running for president was to do podcast tours.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yep.

[Will]

So he showed up on all of these podcast tours repeatedly. He did Rogan a bunch of times. He did all these fucking people. And the reason why was it was a very safe way for people like Joe Rogan, Theo Vaughan, Andrew Scholz, and Jillian Michaels to talk about the politics, because it's the number one thing that's happening to talk about the 2024 election, but to have a. Have literally a quack on, to have a joke, to have him sitting right there and he could still talk about politics and his views and everything, but he wasn't going to. Dick. She did do anything. He's the backup quarterback. Everyone's favorite player was RFK Jr. The backup quarterback. And as long as he was the independent candidate or he was running in the Democratic primary, where he was clearly not gonna beat Joe Biden, then that was fine, because that dog was never gonna catch the bumper of that car. But once he joined Donald Trump, once he showed up on that stage with the sparklers flying and shook each other's hands once, Make America healthy again. Hat started pouring out of the merch stores, every single one of these people, from Joe Rogan to Jillian Michaels, had to line up and support Donald Trump or else the last 18 months of their lives where they've been platforming RFK Jr and saying he's a genius and saying he's the only person that can save us from chronic illness and all these other different things, and we need to make him the president. Well, him accepting the consolation prize of the Health and human services secretary. RFK Jr. Being put in charge of the vaccines, RFK Jr. Being put in charge of the FDA. RFK Jr. Being put in charge of our hospitals and our food systems and all these other things. Well, that's exactly what he wanted anyway. He just won't be in charge of the nukes. He just won't be in charge of the military. He just won't be in charge of the tariffs and all these other different things. He won't be in charge of the. The concentration camps and ICE and the FBI and the DEA and the lists. And then Google, making sure that you have to upload your driver's license to YouTube. And so many more things, folks. And suddenly Mecca. Suddenly Mecca Hitler is asking you. Suddenly Mecca Hitler is there.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Hey, look at me.

[Will]

But all of them got pipeline, babe. Yeah, all of them did. And now here we are at the end of the funnel, and every funnel, as we know, just ends up pouring anti Semitism down your throat. And now here we are with Jillian Michaels supporting a genocide and telling everybody that's not gonna be that bad as they invalidate her marriage for this fat bitch. Why don't you hate. You should be hating Kim Davis. Jillian Michaels. She's fat.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Yep.

[Will]

That's. That's. She. She hates your marriage, and she's fat.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Enemy number one.

[Will]

Pick one.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Right after Cheryl Hines, because fuck her, too.

[Will]

Fuck her, too. But to wrap up the show, I just want to just get back to the.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Put the board down. Thank you, everybody, for listening. I hope you're enjoying, Quackmon.

[Will]

Too many frauds and too many scammers that we wish weren't real. Too many cons and too many spammers, and we're starting to feel like we've got too many tabs.

[Mrs. Pearl Mania]

Open it too many times.

[Will]

Remember to smile.