In this episode we speak to Ernest Scheyder, an award-winning journalist, senior correspondent for Reuters and author of the acclaimed new book: The War Below: Lithium, Copper and the Global Battle to Power Our Lives. We can’t have green energy without mining. But there is no way around the fact that mining is loud, dangerous and disruptive. Our conversation explores this tension that sits at the center of the energy transition. We also discuss new technologies for mineral extraction and recycling that have the potential to resolve some of these conflicts if they can be commercialized.

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Episode TimeStamps:

02:09 - Introduction to Ernest Scheyder

03:11 - Why are lithium and copper so important?

05:44 - The outlook of the U.S lithium production

09:12 - Who is Ioneer and the environmental impact of lithium production

17:26 - What is Direct Lithium Extraction (DLE) and why is it important?

23:17 - Supply and demand in lithium

25:02 - The challenges of recycling batteries

31:07 - Is a fully circular economy even possible?

34:14 - The negative consequences of copper mining

39:19 - A part of the people

41:53 - The complexities of tribal relations in the U.S.

43:46 - Is outsourcing copper mining morally irresponsible?

47:25 - The challenges of attracting labour in the mining industry

52:00 - How did Scheyder approach the writing of his book?

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