Emma Tourtelot, NO ONE YOU KNOW: A Novel

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Podcast Summary: Totally Booked with Zibby Owens

Episode: Emma Tourtelot, NO ONE YOU KNOW: A Novel
Date: February 9, 2026
Host: Zibby Owens
Guest: Emma Tourtelot

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Overview

This episode features Emma Tourtelot discussing her debut novel, "No One You Know," a dual-narrative story exploring the complexities of grief, motherhood, family, and community in a small Hudson Valley town. Zibby Owens delves into Emma's inspiration for the book, the intricacies of her writing process, and the themes that make this novel a poignant and relatable read.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Inspiration Behind "No One You Know"

• Mother–Daughter Grief:

  • The book alternates perspectives between a mother and her teenage daughter, Indy, as they process the tragic loss of Indy’s best friend.
  • Emma’s Personal Connection: Emma was inspired by her own daughter’s struggle after her best friend moved away during middle school.
  • Quote:

    “It was the first time something really big happened to one of my kids that I couldn’t fix… I wanted to write about that feeling. Being a mother, it's the worst.”
    – Emma Tourtelot [06:03]

• Transition from Nonfiction to Fiction:

  • Emma previously wrote about sex and relationships as part of the duo “Em & Lo,” and she describes her writing focus as “always about the heart.”
  • The idea for the novel started with the image of a mother, a daughter, and their chickens—a nod to Emma’s own city-to-country transition.
  • Quote:

    “The very first part of this book I wrote…was about a mother and a daughter with chickens and trying to keep the chickens alive…We were these idiots from the city who came out to the country and didn’t realize how hard it would be.”
    – Emma Tourtelot [07:38]

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Themes of Loss, Grief, and Healing

• Indy’s Profound Grief:

  • Zibby reads a moving passage from the daughter’s perspective, capturing how formative the lost friendship was for Indy.
  • Memorable Passage (read by Zibby) [09:24]:

    “I don’t know how to be in this room without Maddie, and I don’t know how to be still without her beside me. I’ve known Maddie for so long that I have no real memories before her…If I ever speak again, it will have to be in a new language.”

• Emma’s Approach to Writing Grief:

  • Emma reflects on her own experiences with loss in her family and friendship, which informed her nuanced portrayal of grief.
  • She emphasizes the importance ​of being present for someone who's grieving—even simple gestures matter.
  • Quote:

    “I realized, oh, you just have to say something. This was kind of me just paying attention to how people grieve and what they need…”
    – Emma Tourtelot [11:10]

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Indy’s Journey & Adolescent Search for Meaning

• Indy’s Radical Steps:

  • Indy seeks comfort in unconventional ways, including dramatically discarding her possessions and exploring online communities focused on consciousness and identity.
  • Research & Realism: Emma considered various options for Indy’s journey, ultimately deciding on something less predictable and more personal than religion.
  • Quote:

    “I wanted her to find something that was her own…she does make a lot of mistakes, but I think at the heart of what Indy’s learning, there is some truth…”
    – Emma Tourtelot [15:43]

• Views on Consciousness:

  • The novel uses metaphors to illustrate difficult concepts, such as consciousness being like “the ocean and a single life is a wave.”
  • Quote:

    “That’s the closest I can come to…understanding it.”
    – Emma Tourtelot [16:45]

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Intimate Portrait of Marriage & Everyday Love

• Marriage in the Novel:

  • Zibby praises Emma’s detailed, honest depiction of how grief impacts a couple’s relationship and the reality of long-term partnership.
  • Notable passage read by Zibby [18:15]:

    “I thought that marriage was defined by such moments and that a successful marriage meant learning to bide your time between them. Eventually though, I discovered it was the in-between that was truly ours…the ordinariness is the reward you earned when you chose each other.”

• Emma on Writing Marriage:

  • Emma admits her husband notices that her male characters often come off as flawed, but also emphasizes the authenticity she seeks in portraying relationships.
  • Quote:

    “You always make the husband sound like kind of assholes…But yes, it’s a good marriage.”
    – Emma Tourtelot [19:35]

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The Role of Community and Friendship

• Small Town Dynamics:
  • The novel explores feeling like an outsider and local-versus-newcomer tensions, inspired by Emma’s own experiences living in a Hudson Valley town for over 20 years.
  • Quote:

    “I’ve lived there 20 years…both my kids were born there…and I still don’t feel like a local. Maybe get buried there, I don’t know.”
    – Emma Tourtelot [23:35]

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Writing Process & Practical Advice

• Daily Writing Habits:

  • Emma wrote much of the novel in short bursts, often from her car during her children’s activities.
  • She emphasizes daily engagement with the work, even briefly, to remain immersed in its world.
  • Advice for Aspiring Authors:

    “Just write every day…even if I only have 10 minutes, as long as I’m opening the document once a day, I’m half-living in the dream space of the novel.”
    – Emma Tourtelot [24:44]

• Creative Inspiration:

  • Emma draws from poetry, particularly Mary Oliver, and mentions admiration for authors like Catherine Newman and books such as “The Book of Longings.”

    “My collection of Mary Oliver’s poetry…the way she writes about faith, and love, and life…is everything.”
    – Emma Tourtelot [21:27]

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The Message Emma Hopes Readers Take Away

• The Novel as a Story of Hope:
  • Although “No One You Know” deals with grief, Emma sees it ultimately as a book about love and the resilience of family.
  • Quote:

    “I hope that people see the hope in it…To me, it’s a book about love. And it’s a book about a mother and a daughter finding their way back to each other.”
    – Emma Tourtelot [20:11]

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Memorable Quotes & Timestamps

• "Being a mother, it’s the worst." – Emma Tourtelot [06:03]
• "I thought that marriage was defined by such moments and that a successful marriage meant learning to bide your time between them. Eventually though, I discovered it was the in-between that was truly ours." – Read by Zibby, from the novel [18:32]
• “Just write every day...even if I only have 10 minutes, as long as I’m opening the document once a day, I’m half-living in the dream space of the novel.” – Emma Tourtelot [24:44]
• “We all become ordinary to each other in the end, but this doesn’t have to destroy a marriage. The ordinariness is the reward…” – Read by Zibby, from the novel [19:10]
• “I hope that people see the hope in it...I didn't think of it as a sad book...to me, it's about love.” – Emma Tourtelot [20:11]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Time | Segment | | :--------- | :------------------------------------------------------- | | 03:02 | Zibby introduces Emma Tourtelot and the novel's premise | | 05:35 | Emma on why she wrote the book | | 07:10 | Emma’s writing background and inspiration | | 09:24 | Zibby reads a powerful passage on loss | | 10:14 | Emma on personal experience with grief | | 15:19 | Discussion of Indy’s quest for meaning | | 16:26 | Emma’s take on consciousness | | 18:15 | Passage on marriage and ordinariness | | 20:04 | What Emma hopes readers gain from the novel | | 21:04 | Emma’s literary inspirations | | 22:05 | Emma describes her writing process | | 23:31 | Emma discusses small town friendship and community | | 24:42 | Emma’s advice for aspiring writers |

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Final Thoughts

Zibby Owens’ conversation with Emma Tourtelot offers an intimate look at the emotional core of “No One You Know.” Through candid stories, sincere advice, and thoughtful readings from the novel, listeners gain a rich understanding of the book’s meditations on love, loss, and resilience—both universal and deeply personal. Emma’s take on parenting, marriage, and community resonate with authenticity and hope, making this a standout episode for readers and writers alike.

Transcript

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[Zibby Owens]

This is Zibby Owens and you're listening to Totally Booked with Zibby, formerly Moms don't have Time to Read Books in my daily show I interview today's latest best selling buzziest or underrated authors and story creators whose work I think is worth your time. As a bookstore owner, publisher, author and obviously podcaster, I get a comprehensive look at everything that's coming out and spend my time curating the best books so you don't have to stay in the know, get insider insights and connect with guests like I do every single day. For more information, go to zibbymedia.com and follow me on Instagram ibbeowensk I really loved Emma Tour Tolo's book No1 youe Know a Novel so much that I actually picked this as my April book club pick even though it's coming out already. The way that she wrote about the stresses and intricacies of being a wife and mother were so poignant, introspective and just I just kept underlining and dog earring pages. The book is really interesting about grief, friendship, parenting, a small community. I just loved it and hopefully you'll read it along with me for our April book. A little bit of Bio for Emma. She's the co author of eight nonfiction books about sex and relationships which she got very embarrassed when I asked her about because we recorded this live at Minnie Rose and has penned regular columns for New York Glamour and the Guardian among others. She was also the co creator of Nerve Personals after providing sex advice for almost two decades as one half of the writing duo Emin Lo. She is now a middle school librarian and this no one you know is her first novel. She lives in the Hudson Valley in New York with her husband and two teenage children and the Hudson Valley plays a big role in the book as well.

[Interviewer (Totally Booked Host)]

Welcome Emma. Thank you so much for coming on Totally Booked to talk about no one you know novel. Congratulations. Thank you.

[Emma Tour Tolo (Author)]

Thank you for having me.

[Interviewer (Totally Booked Host)]

Of course you should all know I am obsessed with this book. I chose it for my book club pick for April which is my next available slot, when I wrote, when I read it and I am just a huge fan. I love the way you write. I love the themes you write about the way you tell the story. I'm just like. I just love, love, love this book. So delighted to be here in person at Minnie Rose.

[Emma Tour Tolo (Author)]

Thank you.

[Interviewer (Totally Booked Host)]

Okay, Emma, tell everybody what the book is about and why you wrote it.

[Emma Tour Tolo (Author)]

So this is a mother, daughter story. It's a dual narrative. So it's the mother, daughter, take it in turns telling the story. It's a teenage daughter who's gone something through something really tragic before the Boot begins. She's lost her best friend. And I wrote it. I was. At the time I was writing it. My daughter, she didn't lose a friend in the same way, but her best friend moved away. And it was. It's middle school when losing your best friend is really. It's really. And it was the first time something really big happened to one of my kids that I couldn't fix. And I just had to watch her go through this thing and sit with her. And it just. It was this realization that I wouldn't always be able to fix the world for her. When she was younger, it was just. I could always set up a play date or, you know, bake with her. And this was the first time I couldn't fix the world for her. And so I wanted to write about that feeling. Being a mother, it's the worst.

[Interviewer (Totally Booked Host)]

No, not. Not being a mother is the worst. Not being able to fix the problem is the worst.

[Emma Tour Tolo (Author)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer (Totally Booked Host)]

Because it's like your heart is outside your body in a way.

[Emma Tour Tolo (Author)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer (Totally Booked Host)]

How old is your daughter now?

[Emma Tour Tolo (Author)]

She is 17. She's here. Oh, no. Almost 18. She's right there in the front. Wow.

[Interviewer (Totally Booked Host)]

Exciting.

[Emma Tour Tolo (Author)]

She's okay. She turned out okay.

[Interviewer (Totally Booked Host)]

I'll interview her next. This is very exciting. Okay, well, talk a little bit about how you started writing it. Like, what was the inspiration? I know you talked about that loss, but it's one thing to go through something very emotional. It's another to, like, crank out an entire novel about it. So maybe take us back to how you came into writing to begin with and then how you arrived at this particular project.

[Emma Tour Tolo (Author)]

So I was. I've been writing since college. I was a nonfiction writer first. I wrote about sex and relationships for almost two decades. So I was an advice columnist. So I am. So I've always written about the heart, I think is how I put it. And I. So I've always written about relationships and feelings. And I knew I wanted to write fiction eventually, but I just. Every time I try to write fiction, it just. It felt really awkward. It felt like I didn't have anything to Say. And then after I had kids, I started writing. And I think maybe because I wanted to write about a place, and I moved around so much, and once I landed in the Hudson Valley, it felt like a place that I wanted to set a story. So. So I actually. The very first part of this book I wrote. I don't even know if much of it ended up in the final draft, but it was about a mother and a daughter with chickens and trying to keep the chickens alive. And that's the very first part I wrote. And I didn't even know yet what the thing was that would happen to the daughter. And I didn't know what it was that she would seek refuge in. I just knew it was this mother and daughter. And I knew I wanted it to be a year, and I knew that I wanted something to kind of pull the mother and daughter apart and then bring them back together again. But I began with the chickens. We had chickens in our yard, and we were these idiots from the city who came out to the country and didn't realize how hard it would be to keep chickens alive. And that's where I began the story.

[Interviewer (Totally Booked Host)]

It's amazing. Well, it's really. Not only is it about Indy losing her best friend Maddie, but it's about her mom and her relationship, how this loss affects the marriage, their relationship, the community. She writes of substack about real estate. She's a real estate agent. And that's hilarious, by the way, all of the listings and all of her thoughts and feelings. And then it's also how her daughter finds refuge in an unexpected source online, which is also a fear.

[Emma Tour Tolo (Author)]

Right.

[Interviewer (Totally Booked Host)]

You never know what you're getting and what your kids are up to and how all these things combine into a very dramatic moment where we have to. We're on the edge of our seat, kind of trying to rooting so much for this family to pull through this incredibly difficult time. So it has, like, all the. All the really interesting themes. The way you wrote about loss and the way Indy writes about the loss of this pivotal figure in her life. I just wanted to read a little bit from that, if that's okay. So the chapters alternate between the daughter and the mom. So the daughter, Indy, says, I don't know how to be in this room without Maddie, and I don't know how to be still without her beside me. I don't know how to do anything without my best friend. I'm like one of those science experiments where they sever the left hemisphere of the brain from the right. And all my Neurons are firing into blank space. I've known Maddie for so long that I have no real memories before her. Sure, I could tell you who my teacher was in first grade and what I did for my birthday party that year, but I have no idea how it felt to be me back then. How am I supposed to be me without her? I have this strange notion that if I ever speak again, it will have to be in a new language. How beautiful is that?

[Emma Tour Tolo (Author)]

So beautiful.

[Interviewer (Totally Booked Host)]

Where is this grief coming from for you? How are you able to tap into this so well?

[Emma Tour Tolo (Author)]

I mean, I'm 52 now, and people around me are losing people. You know, my husband lost both his parents within a year of each other. And I watched him go through that. And, you know, I. I sort of learned through watching him grieve how to be okay around grief. When I had a good friend of mine died a few years before that, and I remember when she was dying and she was kind of, people were going to say goodbye to her and I didn't go because I didn't know what to say and I didn't know how to be around her. And then watching my husband go through this and realizing that even when someone just said to him, I'm sorry for your loss, like, that meant something to him because I'd, you know, I'm a writer and I don't want to use cliches. And I always felt like, oh, if I'm going to say something to someone who's dying or someone who loves someone, it has to be original and it has to be from the heart. And then I realized, oh, you just have to say something. So this was kind of me just, I think, paying attention to how people grieve and what they need and how other people act around people who are grieving.

[Interviewer (Totally Booked Host)]

Well, I'm sorry for your loss of your friend. And that's your husband, right?

[Emma Tour Tolo (Author)]

Yes.

[Interviewer (Totally Booked Host)]

And your loss as well.

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[Interviewer (Totally Booked Host)]

Indy takes a pretty extreme approach, including at one point getting rid of all her earthly possessions. Talk a little bit about that. Did you research different things that happen, different gurus? Like that's another.

[Emma Tour Tolo (Author)]

Yeah. So in my initial idea of the book, she was going to get join a local church and become a born again Christian and that that would be where she would find comfort. But I didn't, I didn't want the thing she found comfort in to be something that the parents would so easily understand and dismiss. I wanted her to find something that was her own. And at the time, I was obsessed with listening to podcasts about consciousness and identity and meaning. And so I went down a lot of Internet rabbit holes reading about that. But, you know, she does make a lot of mistakes. But I think at the heart of what Indy's learning, there is some truth there and there's something real. And that's kind of what I wanted her parents to see in the book too, because initially they're so dismissive of these things she's learning and they don't. She wanted them to see. You know, I'm only 14, turning 15, but maybe there are things about the world I understand that you don't get. So I wanted her to give something real to be searching for.

[Interviewer (Totally Booked Host)]

After your deep dive and after your own experiences, do you have a view on consciousness?

[Emma Tour Tolo (Author)]

You know, it's one of those things where when I'm listening to the podcast, I'm like, I totally get it. And then I try to explain it and it just does. I think in the book I have Indy say that it's like one of those, like, sausage toys that like moves out of your hands. And so. Yes. And I don't know if I can put it in words. I, you know, the way I describe it in the book is that consciousness is like the ocean and a single life is a wave in the ocean. And that's the closest I can come to, to understanding it.

[Interviewer (Totally Booked Host)]

But that's probably more than most people could articulate at the snap of a finger. You also wrote in beautiful, heartfelt detail about marriage. And it's no surprise that this is what you did for so long because the way you show us the intricacies of that relationship are really interesting. Can I read one more? One more passage? And by the way, I have like every other page dog eared in this book. So these are just a couple at the last minute. The morning after our wedding, I woke to the oddly pleasant Sensation of being hungover in the most comfortable hotel bed in the history of down. I read Robert Brownie's poem Now to my brand new husband because I finally understood it. How you can make perfect the present. How ideal love cannot exist in everyday life, but it can exist in a moment that feels perfect. I'd never read this poem out loud before, and as I spoke and felt the rhythm of each line, I understood it even more. Okay, so now I'm quoting you. Quoting. Quoting Robert Browning. Thought and feeling and soul and sense merged in a moment, which gives me at last you around me for once, you beneath me, above me, me, sure that despite of time, future time past, this tick of our life times, one moment you love me. That morning in our hotel bed, I thought that marriage was defined by such moments and that a successful marriage meant learning to bide your time between them. Eventually, though, I discovered it was the in between that was truly ours. The secret downtime of a marriage. The long car rides, binging true crime podcasts. Ethan chopping onions for a breakfast scramble while I read out clues for the Sunday crossword. Assembling IKEA furniture together while we listen to albums from our vinyl collection. Fleetwood Mac's Rumors for me and the Beach Boys, Pet Sounds for him. We all become ordinary to each other in the end, but this doesn't have to destroy a marriage. A stable marriage depends on ordinariness and in fact. And even if it feels like a grind, sometimes it's your grind. You are two human beings who leave toothpaste splattered on the bathroom mirror or leave passive aggressive post it notes about the toothpaste bladder. You tell each other the same stories over and over again. And on a good day, you pretend you've never heard this one before or that it gets better with each telling. The ordinariness is the reward you earned when you chose each other. When you chose a lifetime of being rooted in place by habit and time, by the imprint each of your bodies made on your side of the mattress. Tell me there's not something beautiful in that.

[Emma Tour Tolo (Author)]

So good.

[Interviewer (Totally Booked Host)]

Tears. So how's your marriage going? Anything you want to share?

[Emma Tour Tolo (Author)]

You know, it's funny. My husband is here and he's always my first reader. And this is the second novel I've written, but the first one that's published. And he said to me once in an early draft, he's like. He's like, you always make the husband sound like kind of assholes. So. But I think in, you know, I write the woman, I write the female Characters first. And I think, you know, there's been some editing, but yes, it's a good marriage.

[Interviewer (Totally Booked Host)]

When you put the book down and you see it, like here on the shelf and ready for everybody to read it, what is your biggest hope that.

[Emma Tour Tolo (Author)]

People get out of the book? I hope that people see the hope in it. You know, when I describe the book to people sometimes, like, ah, that sounds really sad. It sounds really hard to read. And I didn't. I didn't think of it as a sad book when I was writing it. I was thinking a bit about. To me, it's a book about love. And it's a book about a mother and a daughter finding their way back to each other. And I hope that's what people see in it more than the grief is the love. I totally agree.

[Interviewer (Totally Booked Host)]

It's about. It's how a family weathers the storm and, you know, everybody gets knocked off course and this is how these people, you know, stood back up again in a way. But there's so much insight. I mean, reading the book, it's like, you are so wise. Like, you just have a lot. You're like an old soul. And it comes through in all of these, like, very quotable lines. So I hope that that comes through as well.

[Emma Tour Tolo (Author)]

Thank you.

[Interviewer (Totally Booked Host)]

Where do you take inspiration from, like, when you're reading. What are your. Go to genres or books or authors you love or.

[Emma Tour Tolo (Author)]

I mean, I. I read a lot of poetry, which I think is probably clear when you read this. I mean, I read all over the place. I'm in two book clubs right now. I'm reading a lot of Catherine Newman because I just discovered her and she's amazing. But I love Mary Oliver's poetry. I go, that's kind of my Bible, is my collection of Mary Oliver's poetry. The way that she writes about faith and love and life and she's just everything. I love her writing. And right now I'm listening to the Book of Longings, which. Really beautiful book too.

[Interviewer (Totally Booked Host)]

Amazing. And in terms of the writing itself, you mentioned there was a lot of editing that went into it. Chickens that might not be there. Talk about the process of writing the book and how, like, just. Did you structure any of it ahead of time? Did you toss most of it, like, give us the backstory?

[Emma Tour Tolo (Author)]

So I. I always knew that I wanted it to end the scene when the mother and the daughter are on the fire tower. I knew I had that image of the two of them there. And I didn't quite know what the conversation was going to be. About. But I sort of wrote towards that and I knew that I wanted that to be a year down the road and I wasn't always sure how I would get there, but I kind of. I wrote it for. Fairly chronologically. I didn't start writing fiction until after I had kids, so I never got to be particularly precious about how I wrote. I just always have my laptop in the car and I wrote in a lot of parking lots while my kids were like at soccer practices or music practices. So I've. I've written in 15 minute bursts, 20 minute bursts. And I kind of just go back into it. I find as long as I read at least a couple of sentences of what I've written every day, I can jump back into it at any moment. Yeah, I've written in the middle of kids birthday parties before. Wow.

[Interviewer (Totally Booked Host)]

Definitely not inviting you to my kids birthday party. Like, what's that woman doing in the background?

[Emma Tour Tolo (Author)]

Yeah, I think probably some people thought I was a little unfriendly.

[Interviewer (Totally Booked Host)]

But you know, I mean the friendship aspect is also a big deal in this book. And what happens when the community really turns against somebody and the mom feels on the outskirts. And I feel that's a feeling a lot of people have felt at one time or another. Just being a little bit pushed out or other. Wanting to fit in or not knowing if they want to fit in. Talk a little bit about those friendship dynamics.

[Emma Tour Tolo (Author)]

Yeah, well, so I live in a small town in the Hudson Valley and it's a town that's changed a lot over the years of people have moved up from their cities and there's definitely this dynamic of locals versus city. It's people call them. I've lived there 20 years. Both my kids were born there. And I still don't feel like a local. Like I don't know what I would have to do to count myself as a local. Maybe get buried there. I don't know. But I. So there's definitely that dynamic. And my husband volunteers with the local fire department and I saw that that was a way that he kind of connected more to the community. So I definitely wanted to write about that aspect of sort of small town cultures and small town class wars. And then also seeing, you know, my kids are so. They think of themselves as local, even though I don't think of them as locals. And they're so comfortable in the town and the connections they have. And it's just funny in the same way that I'm English and my children are these American citizens, which blows my mind a little bit. My children are locals and I'm not. And so it's funny kind of watching your kids be comfortable in places that you're not and make connections in a way that you don't.

[Interviewer (Totally Booked Host)]

So what advice would you give for aspiring authors?

[Emma Tour Tolo (Author)]

Just write. Just write every day. Just. I find that if I make contact with my writing every day, even if I don't, even if I only have 10 minutes, as long as I'm opening the document once a day, I'm kind of half living in the dream space of the novel. Even when I'm driving to work or when I'm making dinner and my. I'm kind of always in the back of my head. It's like the spinny wheel is going and I'm thinking about things in the book and I'm constantly sending myself text messages while I drive audio, not typing when things come to me. So I think just. Just even reading one sentence you wrote every day keeps you kind of moving forward with it. I love it.

[Interviewer (Totally Booked Host)]

Well, thank you Emma for coming on the podcast.

[Emma Tour Tolo (Author)]

Thank you. Yes.

[Zibby Owens]

Thank you for listening to Totally Booked with Zibby formerly Moms don't have time to Read. If you loved the show, tell a friend, leave a review, follow me on Instagram, ibbeowens and spread the word. Thanks so much. Oh, and buy the books.

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