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Reagan is an actor, author, producer and.
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Philanthropist with nearly 8 million followers across social media. Reagan starred for seven seasons in the CBS hit series Young Sheldon and its spinoff Georgie and Mandy's First Marriage in the breakthrough role of Missy Cooper. A dedicated writer and avid reader, Reagan launched the hugely popular online book club at Read with Regan in 2022. More than just a space for book discussions and author interviews, the book club fosters a dedicated community where young adults can cultivate a love of reading through monthly YA book selections. Reagan was also recently selected to be a member of the 202425 hello Sunshine collective, an initiative designed to empower and amplify game changers who share hello Sunshine's mission to revolutionize the narrative for women. Reagan's philanthropic endeavors include creating Homeless Helpers a a local initiative aimed at providing small care packages and necessary items for those who are currently without homes. She is a passionate and outspoken advocate for rescuing animals and is a junior Ambassador for Children's Hospital Los Angeles. A San Diego native, Reagan now lives in Los Angeles with five rescue pets.
Interviewer
Welcome Reagan. Thank you so much for coming on Totally Booked to talk about Rules for Fake Girlfriends. Congratulations.
Reagan Revered
Thank you. Thank you so much for having Me. I'm so excited.
Interviewer
It's my pleasure. And your book was so, so good. There was so much soul to it and, like, loss and love and parents and families and friendships and you got everything in. And also the cleverness of the titles and the book within a book situation. With the, with the writing a book, I was actually quite blown away. I didn't know what I was expecting, but I was totally blown away. Thank you, you.
Reagan Revered
I'm so glad you enjoyed it. I love whenever I'm such, like, a found family like person, especially with that trope. And so anytime anyone mentions it, I'm like, yes, yes, you get it.
Interviewer
Oh, it's really great. Well, okay. Why don't you tell listeners what the book is about?
Reagan Revered
So the book is about a young college age girl named Avery. And after Avery's mom passes away, Avery gets a scavenger hunt clue from her mom's will, which sends her to England, where on the train to her new college, she meets Charlotte Charlie, who agrees to help Avery complete the scavenger hunt if Avery fake dates Charlie to get her ex back. And it's sad and happy and it has a little bit of mystery in it. And yeah, it's just a fun, like, feel good little bit of sadness. Rom com.
Interviewer
It's more than that. I think. It's more. I. I'm gonna beg to differ on this one. But yes, there's rom com elements, of course, obviously, with the fake relationship and everything, but I really feel like this is a. A girl in her search for her mom and to reclaim what's lost. And obviously there's so much else. But I don't know, maybe that's just the piece that, like, really got me.
Reagan Revered
No, I had so much fun writing that because the whole. The main reason Avery leaves and, like, abandons her life plan and goes to England is because her mom sent her there. That's where her mom grew up. And so, like, with Avery walking around Brighton and seeing the streets that her mom walked on in the coffee shops, her mom, like, hung out with friends. And, like, it really does help her connect with a mom that she never really understood. And that was always. I feel like I would have those revelations with Avery whenever I would be writing, and I would forget, kind of like, oh, this is where Halle grew up. And then I would think, and I'd be like, wait a minute, like, this is where she went to school. Like, she also probably sat in these, like, greens in this, like, courtyard and hung out with her friends. And Avery would also have those revelations. And so I feel like we were kind of like, remem. Like, remembering and realizing that together, which was really interesting to experience.
Interviewer
Yeah. It's so crazy thinking about how you. What if it. What if you were, like, the same age as your mom kind of thing? And I feel like when. Towards the end, when she found. And I won't give anything away, of course, but she found this one photo of her mom exactly her age for. From the lens of her dad, which was just like. I mean, it's just the need. It's like you finally can see your parents as people, these certain glimpses. But Reagan, like, where did all the sadness come from? Where did this loss come from? It feels like you've totally gotten the plot of life yourself. Where is it from?
Reagan Revered
I mean, how you said the plot of life like that is what life is like. There's happy moments, there's sad moments. There's in between moments. And even though I was writing a rom com, which is like a rom com is technically very, like, happy and like cupcakes and rainbows, I didn't want it to just be that, because that's not how life is. And so even though Avery is experiencing this really amazing, exciting thing, and for her first time, too, but which brings about whole other complicated emotions, it's also. She's still grieving her mom. She's grieving her, like, growing up. She's moved to a new country on her own, and she's grieving, like, her whole life plan that she thought and trying to figure out this whole new kind of path she's on. And so I really wanted to portray that because it is how life is. There's always different things going on. You're feeling different emotions. And I've never experienced loss like Avery has. I thankfully have both of my parents with me, and so I've never known loss on that level. But as humans do, you lose childhood pets, you lose family members. And so I do know, like, while one thing may be happening, another sadder thing can be going on in the background, even. And so even though it's been months since Avery lost her mom, that's still always kind of in the background. And whenever she's realizing that this is where her mom lived to that kind of realization brings that grief to the forefront sometimes.
Interviewer
Well, I feel like your ability to tap into grief dovetails with your being an actor. At the same time, I don't. You have to just tap into all of that, to even things that you haven't experienced, to be able to portray something like, yeah, were you an empath from day one? Like, where did this all come from?
Reagan Revered
I. So with playing sad roles or, like, acting sad situations, what I always do is I. Especially if it's something that, like, hasn't actually happened to me. Like, for example, at the end of the show that I was on for so long, we were so close to all the cast and crew and the characters and everything. And spoiler alert, the dad dies at the end. And, like, the third to last episode, and like I said, I have my dad, and so I never really experienced that. But on top of the show ending, which was so, like, sad because I grew up there, I also would pull from, like, sad situations that I've experienced to kind of compile all of that to the grief that you see in the episode. And I also use the show ending because that is a loss in itself. It is mourning something. And so I kind of used that loss to portray the sadness for losing the dad. And so that is kind of what I did for the book as well. Writing. I would kind of use that technique that I learned in acting and apply it when I was writing. I would be like, this is how I felt in this specific situation. I can use that to help Avery. To help portray Avery's grief in this situation.
Interviewer
Well, anytime, as you said, something not going the way you thought, grieving, an alternate ending. It can be a show. It can be anything. It can, you know, all of us feel so deeply. And you really got all of that in here in such a good way. Yeah. Talk about reading. To write a book like this and to pick up on everything in such detail, you have to be. You can't just say you like books. Like, you obviously have to read a lot of books, and obviously you have read with Reagan and all of that.
Zibby Owens
When did you fall in love with reading?
Interviewer
And what is your relationship to books? And just tell me about your whole reading life.
Reagan Revered
I literally always have a book with me. I'm traveling right now, so I'm in a hotel, and my computer is literally on, like, five books right now. So it's raised up. I always have books with me. Ever since I was little, I would constantly have a book in my arm, in my bag, anything. I have a lot of, like, librarians and teachers in my family. So, like, reading and just like, literature in general was always such a at the forefront of my life. I like to joke. I literally was brought home from the hospital when I was born with a book in my hand and haven't let go of one since. I I think my main, like thing that made me love reading was the book series Eragon, which, like that, let's like, I think it was like six or seven year old me, just devoured that book. And then as many people can relate to, Harry Potter was also like such a big thing for me. Still is. I was literally watching one of the movies last night. And I've just grown up reading. It's always been such a big thing. I got banned from my school library because I would be in there too much reading instead of socializing. And so I would be in there doing lunch and recess. And I got banned from the library. It was one of the worst moments of my life.
Interviewer
I am so sorry.
Reagan Revered
I was distraught. And then I found it like three years ago. It was actually my mom who did that and not the school. And I was so mad at the school for so long and blamed them. And then I found out it was actually my mom. Mom was like, you need to be around kids. And so my mom was like, hey, you can't let Reagan go to the library anymore. So I got banned. And then I found out it wasn't the school and they were wrongly accused for so long.
Interviewer
But wait, how did you feel? Did you get into it with your mom about it? Then I would have been so mad at my mom.
Reagan Revered
Then I was like, I feel like it'd been. Because this was like three years ago and I got banned. I got banned from the library whenever. I was probably like seven. And so it'd been almost like 10 years. No, no, like seven years probably. And I felt like it had enough distance that I was like, I'm not going to be so mad at you. But like, I still can't believe you would do this to me.
Interviewer
Yeah.
Reagan Revered
And she's also such a big reader too. So I was kind of shocked. Like, you know, this is hypocritical is what it is. But so like, I just even that you could tell I've always been reading. And then right before, I think it was probably 2019, I started my own book club. And I've always been asked, like, because I've always been telling people how big of a reader I am. And so I've always been asked, what book are you reading right now? Is there anything you would recommend? And I always wanted to share my love of reading. I always have. I always want to show people why I love it so much and why I stories are so important. And so I started posting a monthly book on my book club or on my instagram just like Reagan one. And then in 2022, I think it was I. Around that time I started my own read with Reagan socials. And then it's just grown so much. It's so crazy to me. I've had people now come up to me like just in the streets and be like, I love your book club. The book you recommended is now like one of my favorite books. And that's so insane to me because I like little nine year old me or whatever. No, like ten year old me probably never thought this is what it was going to turn into. I'm so insanely grateful. And I just love having such a good community of readers and just sharing literature is, sharing stories and how important they are is like my life goal, I feel like. And to be able to contribute a little bit of why someone might have a favorite book is so cool to me.
Interviewer
This is like music to my ears. I feel like this is why I do everything that I do. And when someone says, I wouldn't have read that aside from me, like if you hadn't recommended it, I wouldn't have read it. That's the best. It's the best.
Reagan Revered
It really is the best. I was literally talking to a friend the other day. I was over at her apartment and and she had a book on her, like coffee table or whatever. And I was like, oh my God, like I know that book. And she was like, yeah, I'm reading it because I saw it on your book club. And I was like, you are like, like it's so crazy to like see it like in the wild, I guess, and not just like someone commenting, being like, oh my God, I read this because you recommended it. Like seeing that the person actually got the book and is reading it is so insane to me. But like so cool.
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So how do you pick which books to recommend? Because I have trouble with that too. I'm like, I like all these books and, like, but which one? Which one would they like?
Zibby Owens
Which one?
Interviewer
You know? For what reason?
Reagan Revered
I always have such trouble as, well, picking whatever I'm reading. I. Because I read so many books in a month that it's not like, oh, I read one book. I can pick that book. There's way too many. I'm also a rereader. I am such a bad rereader. And this is why I have so many books, because I can't get rid of them. I can't. I reread them, and so I can't. I can't get rid of them. But I normally pick books that I just really enjoyed that I found, like, have a good message. And then also, if it's like Pride Month or Black History Month, then I'll pick a book that relates to that month, but also still has really good story, really good message. I read probably any genre. I always say, I'll give a book a first chance. I will read anything that is put in front of me. So my book club isn't one specific genre. It's ya. But, like, that's really, like, the limitations. I will read anything. I will recommend anything I read how I write, which is really anything. I do have a love for fantasy. I feel like fantasy, rom com and mystery are like my top three. Like, I'm a good murder mystery, which is probably reflected in the book club. If you go back and look probably in there a lot. But yeah, picking the book of the month is so difficult. I found, like, a little loophole where it's like, if you liked White Lotus, then read these books so I can, like, recommend more books. Because I can't pick just one. It's so difficult. I like that. That's kind of my little, like, loophole is like, but there's these other books too. Runner.
Interviewer
Runners up. Okay, I might have to steal that as a As a tactic. So young you is this huge reader. That's all you want to do, and yet you end up on Young Sheldon for, like, your whole childhood. How did that happen and how do you feel about how that all unfolded?
Reagan Revered
It was completely by accident that I even started acting. My mom had a friend who had a friend who ran an agency, and that friend was like, can I represent Reagan? And we had no idea, like, what that meant. We had no idea anything about the acting world. We were like, yeah, sure, this will be a fun hobby. It'll last like a year. I was four years old, did not last a year. I'm now 17. Been doing this all my life. But yeah, I. It was completely by accident. It entirely snowballed. I got like a commercial and I saw the commercial probably when I was like, around like six, like five or six, and I was like, I love this so much. I want to, like, like, I want to be in, like, movies. I loved being on set. I crave being on a set. It's my favorite thing I did. I think the first time I really realized how much I loved it was I was on Modern Family. And I was on it, like, a good few times and I didn't have to audition every time I went back on. And I loved that because I'm not a big fan of auditioning. I, like, I said I love being on the set, and so I loved that. And I told my mom I didn't know what it was called, which I now know it's a series regular. But I said, I want to be on set every day and not have to audition. That's what I told my mom. And then a few years later, I auditioned for Young Sheldon. And I just remember being so obsessed with Missy. It was during when we had a thing called pilot season, when a bunch of shows are basically auditioning and they're starting and they have their first episode. And that's whenever all those shows are auditioning in those few months. And I was doing that. And I had so many different, like, new shows and stuff, but I fixated on Missy. And I kept asking my mom and my agents. I was like, have you heard anything about this? Like, I need to know. I was so, like, I loved it so much. And then I got the role. And then eight years later, here we are and the show ended a year ago. Like, I think it was a year in April. And it's so crazy to look back on, like nine, eight year old me, like, not knowing what we were getting into. It's so funny. Because Annie Potts, who plays my grandma, always said, like, whenever we started the show, I was on set and looking around and I knew this was going to be great. But little me had no idea. And I was just so excited to be there and I had no idea what it meant. And now older me is like, oh my God, if only little me knew. Because it's so cool. It's so crazy, and I'm so grateful for it. I did not ask answer your question about. No, no, it's just acting. But I do think they're very similar in just the storytelling aspect. Because even though one's paper and one's screen, it is very similar because you are communicating a different story that someone might not be able to have compassion for or to relate to. But then whenever you're reading or watching a piece of media, you can kind of step into those shoes and feel for a character and see whether it's across the continent or in a different world, in a different galaxy, you can kind of learn more and have more empathy. And so I think even if it's acting or writing, storytelling in that regard is very similar. And so that's why I have such a love for both.
Interviewer
I get it. I love that. So I don't know if you've read Alison Stoner's upcoming book called Semi well Adjusted, despite literally everything about growing up as a child star and the structures that were in place and the lack of protections about child stars, particularly back in the day, sort of similar in the Jennette McCurdy genre of I survived this. How do you feel looking back? Because now I'm like, well, I know what they did a little bit ago because she's much older now, but how do you feel like the industry treated you as a child? Although this is of course totally off topic of the book. But, you know, do you feel, because it seems like you've escaped completely intact, you're like completely like self possessed and doing something so cool, writing really good books, not just like fluffy whatever, like books with soul. Like, how did you do that and others didn't? And how did you find the whole experience?
Reagan Revered
I just got. I got really lucky, honestly. I had such a great experience on Young Sheldon. My mom always says it takes a village to raise a kid. And my village was the cast and.
Interviewer
Crew of the show.
Reagan Revered
I always have a second mom who played my mom, or a second dad or an older brother to go to and just everyone on that cast and crew. I have so many aunts and uncles now because that's Just how they feel to me. And if my actual mom was ever busy and I couldn't go to her for advice, I had 200 family members always on set that I could always go to and ask. I really just got so lucky. I know a lot of kid actors don't have a good experience or as good of an as good of an experience as I did. But I do think they really prioritized our safety, especially the kids safety on the show. We were just allowed to be kids. We would have Halloween parties and we would play hide and seek, and we would prank each other and we would play games, and it was always just such a fun experience. I said from the time I got the show to now that it never felt like going to work. It felt like coming home. So I never. I never hated coming to set. I lived on that set. I would find reasons to stay after I'd finished working for the day. I would stay two hours after because I would just want to hang out. I loved being there. I love being there. And I'm so grateful that there's the spin off now because I can. It's. I like to say it feels like going off to college and coming home for the weekend. I get to guest star on Montana show because I get to. It's a very similar crew, same cast. And so it is like coming home because I get to see my family again, even if it's been however many months. And just like, I just love them all so much and I miss them and I'm excited for the new season start because that means I can see them all again. I just went to Montana's wedding and I saw some of them and I was like, I miss you guys so much. But, yeah, I had the best possible experience. And I just love everyone there so very much. If you could tell by how passionately I'm talking about this, it's very sweet.
Interviewer
I love it. It's so nice. Okay, so on the writing side, what is the plan? How are you doing more of these? Same genre, you know, how did you do this? How long did it take? Like, when did you know you were gonna do this?
Reagan Revered
My dream has always been to write a book. Ever since I knew how to write, I would write little books for my parents. I wrote like an American Girl doll superpower book during recess with one of my friends. When I was in school, whenever I was on set, I would write books and I would hand them out to people and be like, hey, this is the next book in the series. I've always been Writing. Whenever I was 12, I got a book agent and that was whenever I was like, I want to take this seriously. Like, this is something I want to do. And I have been working with him ever since before I started working on roles for fake girlfriends. I was working on a fantasy series that I still want to work on one day. It just, there were some, like, technical difficulties with it where it was going to take really long to fix something. And I told my book agent I was like, I might want to kind of switch gears and work on a different idea. And so I gave him an idea for a rom com set in England and he was like, I love this, let's do this. And so we sent it out, sent it to Macmillan, which is the publisher I'm with, got with my editor and it took us probably around two years to. I got with my editor July 2023. So like around two years exactly, actually. That's crazy. And it's coming out in September and here we are, which is insane. I wish I could tell like five year old me, you did it like you have a book coming out. But I, yeah, I want it. I obviously want to keep writing books. It's. I love acting, but writing is my baby. It's my dream. And I have a book idea that I'm working on right now. I'm kind of revisiting the fantasy series that I abandoned. We're gonna see how that works out. I was working on it when I was like 13, so there's things. I'm in a different, like, stage of my life where, like, the writing is younger, the story is younger. So I kind of want to transition it a bit to more like ya. But yeah, I could never stop writing. I fear if someone was like, what do you give up? I was like, don't do this to me. Writing's my baby. I could never. I love it so much. So, so very much.
Interviewer
What if somebody said you had to choose writing or acting?
Reagan Revered
So my friends have asked me this before and I could not tell you. I do think if it was a life or death situation, I would have to do writing. No one understands how much I love acting and how much I love being in that world and being on set. But I, I say that whenever you're acting, you get to bring to life a character in someone else's universe and. But whenever you're writing, you get to create that universe and so there's more freedom to writing a book, at least from my experience. But I love both so much. It probably would have to be Writing don't tell anyone I've ever acted with. But it probably would have to be writing because it's just been my lifelong dream.
Interviewer
It's amazing. Well, you're really good at it and I'm excited for all the things to come. I mean, I. I'm so much older than you. My twins are 18, so they're about your age. And we, by the way, watched young Sheldon and watched you grow up and everything. So anyway, this is very, very nice, but I related to this book me like at my age and found so much in it that that's, I mean, that's hard to do, right? Like, I didn't read it like as if I was a kid. I'm like, no, no. This is actually really getting me in the most emotional way possible.
Reagan Revered
I mean, I feel like the book at its core, even though it is about like an 18, 19 year old, I feel like the book at its core is just about a person who's trying to find their place in the world.
Interviewer
Yes.
Reagan Revered
And trying to figure out what she wants to do what she wants with her life. And especially as a new college student, that is kind of what going off to college is. You figure out your path and if you're however old, anyone can relate to that. Everyone, I feel like at some point in their life is trying to figure out who they are. You're always changing, you're always evolving. And I feel like anyone can relate to that. So even if there are aspects or tropes or elements to the book that does make it seem like if you're reading it and you're older and you're reading it and it's a teenager, but there's elements to it that you can relate to. Which is what I really appreciate about the book because I love whenever I'm reading a book and anyone can relate to it. And so I was like, I want to write a book like that. And I think I did that. I hope I did that.
Interviewer
This is like you have a new target audience. Because it's not just ya. It's like people like me who are parents of kids going off to college. It's the same thing. We're just freaking out over here.
Reagan Revered
So I also think anyone can read ya. I know so many adults who are like, I just read read ya, Right. YA is for anyone.
Interviewer
It is, yeah, it really is.
Reagan Revered
It's such a broad genre because it really does go from like around like 13 and like up. Anyone can really read ya. And I know so many people who do.
Interviewer
Well, I think Sometimes I think. I mean, I won't get into it, but the whole category seems bizarre. Like, Catcher in the Rye is what Ya like it. No, no, it's not. I mean, I'm just saying if it came out today, it's like, it would be, like, in a different section of the bookstore. I don't know. I don't know. But anyway, all to say, it's fabulous. You're fabulous. I really am rooting for you. You're such a nice person and just someone else who loves books. I feel like nobody could love books more than me. And yet you do. So. I don't know.
Reagan Revered
I don't know.
Interviewer
At least we're tied. I feel like maybe we're tied.
Reagan Revered
I feel like we're, like, neck to neck. Neck to neck and neck?
Zibby Owens
Yeah.
Interviewer
Neck and neck.
Reagan Revered
Yeah. I don't think however much you love a book, shouldn't be a competition. I just think if you love a book, you love a book, and if someone loves reading a lot, then you're an amazing person.
Interviewer
Yeah, obviously, I'm too competitive is the problem.
Reagan Revered
I'm also really competitive. Don't worry. I get it for my mom. My mom and I are both so competitive. We're both reading books right now, and we're like, who can finish it first? Yeah, we're both very competitive. I totally understand.
Interviewer
All right, well, thank you so much for all your time, and again, I'm just so excited for you.
Reagan Revered
Thank you so much. I appreciate it. It was so lovely talking to you.
Interviewer
You too.
Zibby Owens
I hope you stay in touch.
Reagan Revered
Thank you.
Interviewer
Okay, take care. Bye.
Reagan Revered
You too.
Interviewer
Bye.
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In this heartfelt and insightful episode, Zibby Owens welcomes actress, author, and philanthropist Raegan Revord to discuss her debut novel RULES FOR FAKE GIRLFRIENDS. The conversation explores the novel’s exploration of grief, found family, and the search for identity, delves into Raegan’s lifelong love of books, and reflects on her experiences as a young actor. Packed with warmth, candor, and literary enthusiasm, this episode is a treat for book lovers of all ages.
(06:08 – 07:07)
Plot Summary: The novel centers around Avery, a college-aged girl who, following her mother’s death, receives a scavenger hunt clue from her mom’s will, sending her to England for college. On the train, she meets Charlie, who offers to help with the scavenger hunt if Avery fake dates her to win back her ex. The story weaves together themes of love, loss, self-discovery, and a touch of mystery.
“It’s sad and happy and it has a little bit of mystery in it. And yeah, it’s just a fun, like, feel good little bit of sadness. Rom com.”
— Raegan Revord (06:34)
Beyond a Rom-Com: Zibby emphasizes the book’s deeper emotional core, seeing it as a daughter’s search for her mother and herself, not merely a rom-com.
“I really feel like this is a girl in her search for her mom and to reclaim what’s lost. And obviously there’s so much else.”
— Zibby Owens (06:44)
(07:07 – 10:30)
Writing through Grief: Raegan describes how the journey through Brighton helps Avery understand her mother:
“With Avery walking around Brighton and seeing the streets that her mom walked on… it really does help her connect with a mom that she never really understood.”
— Raegan Revord (07:21)
Real-life Inspiration: While Raegan hasn’t experienced the profound loss Avery faces, she grounds the emotion in real human experience:
“There’s happy moments, there’s sad moments. Even though I was writing a rom com… I didn’t want it to just be that, because that’s not how life is.”
— Raegan Revord (08:44)
(10:30 – 12:15)
“I would pull from sad situations that I’ve experienced… I also used the show ending [Young Sheldon] because that is a loss in itself. I kind of used that loss to portray the sadness for losing the dad. And so that is kind of what I did for the book as well.”
— Raegan Revord (10:50)
(12:51 – 16:44)
Origins of a Bookworm: Raegan shares anecdotes about always having a book in hand, and jokes:
“I literally was brought home from the hospital when I was born with a book in my hand and haven’t let go of one since.”
— Raegan Revord (12:51)
Book Club Journey: Her Read With Raegan book club blossomed from a desire to share her love of reading—she delights in people discovering new favorites through her recommendations.
“I just love having such a good community of readers and just sharing literature… is like my life goal, I feel like.”
— Raegan Revord (16:27)
Adorable Library Ban Story: As a child, she spent so much time in the school library she was banned—only to discover later it was her mom’s idea to encourage socializing.
“I got banned from the library. It was one of the worst moments of my life.”
— Raegan Revord (14:06)
(21:19 – 23:01)
“I read probably any genre. I always say, I’ll give a book a first chance… my book club isn’t one specific genre. It’s YA, but… I’ll recommend anything I read how I write, which is really anything.”
— Raegan Revord (22:07)
(23:01 – 28:02)
“I said from the time I got the show to now that it never felt like going to work. It felt like coming home.”
— Raegan Revord (29:12)
(26:53 – 30:11)
“My village was the cast and crew of the show… If my actual mom was ever busy… I had 200 family members always on set that I could always go to and ask.”
— Raegan Revord (28:02)
(30:11 – 33:33)
“I say that whenever you’re acting, you get to bring to life a character in someone else’s universe… but whenever you’re writing, you get to create that universe. And so there’s more freedom to writing a book.”
— Raegan Revord (32:57)
(34:08 – 35:30)
Both host and guest agree YA fiction crosses generational lines:
“Even though it is about an 18, 19 year old, I feel like the book at its core is just about a person who’s trying to find their place in the world.”
— Raegan Revord (34:08)
They discuss how adults can find resonance in stories about transition and self-discovery, especially those sending kids off to college.
“Anyone can really read YA. And I know so many people who do.”
— Raegan Revord (35:32)
“I just think if you love a book, you love a book, and if someone loves reading a lot, then you’re an amazing person.”
— Raegan Revord (36:21)
On Writing a Book with Weight:
“Even though I was writing a rom com… I didn’t want it to just be that, because that’s not how life is.”
— Raegan Revord (08:44)
On Empathy & Acting:
“I would pull from sad situations that I’ve experienced to kind of compile all of that to the grief that you see…”
— Raegan Revord (10:50)
On Book Community Impact:
“The book you recommended is now like one of my favorite books. And that’s so insane to me…”
— Raegan Revord (16:31)
On the Joy of Storytelling (Both Acting & Writing):
“Even if it’s acting or writing, storytelling is very similar… you can kind of step into those shoes and feel for a character…”
— Raegan Revord (25:41)
On The Supportive ‘Village’ of Young Sheldon:
“If my actual mom was ever busy and I couldn’t go to her for advice, I had 200 family members always on set that I could always go to and ask.”
— Raegan Revord (28:02)
On the Universality of YA:
“Anyone can relate to that. So even if there are aspects… that make it seem like it’s for a teenager, there’s elements to it that you can relate to.”
— Raegan Revord (34:19)
| Timestamp | Segment Description | |-------------|---------------------------------------------------------| | 05:24–06:08 | Introduction & Praise for the Book | | 06:08–06:44 | Raegan describes the plot of "Rules for Fake Girlfriends"| | 07:07–08:44 | Exploration of grief, loss, and connecting with her mom | | 10:30–12:15 | Using acting techniques to write about grief | | 12:51–16:44 | Raegan’s lifelong love of reading | | 14:06–14:32 | The school library ban story | | 21:19–23:01 | How Raegan picks her book club selections | | 23:21–26:53 | Acting origins and Young Sheldon experiences | | 28:02–29:12 | Supportive environment on Young Sheldon | | 30:25–33:33 | How the book came together & what’s next in writing | | 34:08–35:32 | YA’s appeal across ages | | 36:21 | The joy—it’s not a competition! |
This episode is a delightful blend of literary discussion and personal storytelling, perfect for fans of heartfelt contemporary fiction, seekers of creative inspiration, or anyone interested in the intersections between books, grief, identity, and creative life. Raegan Revord’s passion for both acting and writing shines through, and her message about the universality of stories—the way they can connect readers of all ages—rings true throughout. Whether you’re a YA devotee, a parent, or simply a passionate reader, you’ll find laughter, insight, and plenty of book love in this Totally Booked conversation.