Podcast Summary: Toure Show – David Alan Grier: "I'm Still Here"
Episode Title: David Alan Grier - I'm Still Here
Release Date: December 29, 2024
Host: Touré (credited as "Unknown Guest")
Guest: David Alan Grier
Knowledge Cutoff: October 2023
Introduction
In this illuminating episode of the Toure Show, host Touré engages in a candid and comprehensive conversation with the legendary comedian and actor David Alan Grier. Titled "I'm Still Here," the episode delves deep into Grier's illustrious career, his experiences in groundbreaking projects like In Living Color, his relationships with fellow actors, his current endeavors, and his philosophies on comedy and life. Skipping over promotional segments and advertisements, the discussion offers listeners a rich tapestry of insights and anecdotes from one of the entertainment industry's most enduring figures.
Early Career and Breakthrough
David Alan Grier begins by reflecting on his early days in the industry, highlighting his roles in seminal projects that paved the way for his success.
"It was my second movie in that year, 1983, I did Streamers with Matthew Modine that Robert Altman directed, and we all won the Golden Lion for Best Actor at the Venice Film Festival."
(01:00)
He further discusses his involvement in Soldier's Play, emphasizing the uniqueness of transitioning from stage to screen during an era when such moves were rare, especially for black actors.
"Soldier's Play was my second movie in that year, 1983... It was developed very fast, and two years later, I was in it."
(04:07)
Grier shares his experiences working alongside rising stars like Denzel Washington and Samuel L. Jackson, illustrating the camaraderie and challenges within the cast.
"Denzel was really funny. We all used to hang out. Denzel was funny as hell."
(13:35)
In Living Color: A Cultural Milestone
A significant portion of the conversation centers around Grier's pivotal role in In Living Color, a groundbreaking sketch comedy show that became a cultural phenomenon.
"In Living Color was the closest thing to that existence that I ever had. It was a company of performers, and what I miss most was trust."
(31:05)
He reminisces about iconic sketches like Men on Film, co-created with Kenan Thompson and Damon Wayans, which became fan favorites and cultural touchstones.
"Men on Film was actually Kenan and Damon. We made up movie titles and infused them with a gay perspective, which was unintentionally hilarious at the time."
(36:23)
Grier addresses the lasting impact of the show, noting how it provided a platform for black comedians to express their truths and navigate the complexities of race and identity.
"We were telling everyone's secrets, not just black people. It was the subversive, whispered language of black comics."
(78:51)
Relationships with Fellow Actors and Industry Peers
Throughout the episode, Grier shares heartfelt anecdotes about his relationships with fellow actors, illustrating the depth of his connections within the industry.
Denzel Washington:
"Denzel was already on my radar. He just had that charisma, that presence. I knew he'd be a star."
(13:35)
"He's straight from Brooklyn. He's fine. He's tripping, man."
(84:32)
Sam Jackson:
"Sam Jackson was always Sam Jackson. He wasn't famous yet. He really hasn't changed, not one bit."
(06:10)
"Sam ran the dressing room. He would rag on Adolph Caesar. 'What are you doing with this old kabuki makeup?'"
(09:09)
Jamie Foxx:
"I'd say off the top of my head, Jamie Foxx was great. I played barbers based on the ones I frequented in Detroit."
(39:00)
Dave Chappelle:
Grier lauds Dave Chappelle not only for his comedic genius but also for his resilience and determination within the industry.
"Dave Chappelle negotiated with HBO in front of an audience and won the right to own his show. That's an incredible moment."
(55:43)
"I love Dave Chappelle now more than ever because he came back stronger after his breakdown."
(54:54)
Current Projects: St. Denis Medical
Transitioning to his current endeavors, Grier discusses his role in the NBC sitcom St. Denis Medical, shedding light on the creative process and his character's depth.
"In 'St. Denis Medical,' I'm Dr. Ron. It's a single-camera show with a mockumentary style, inspired by shows like Lenox Hill and Abbott Elementary."
(65:07)
He elaborates on the show's blend of comedy and serious moments, aiming for an organic and earned comedic experience without reliance on laugh tracks.
"The show is described as a 'serio comedy.' There are serious moments that are earned, legitimate, but the comedy is organic."
(26:15)
Grier expresses his satisfaction with the project, emphasizing the importance of choosing meaningful work that resonates with him personally.
"I have to pick projects for the right reasons. I don't have time for bullshit shows or plays. I want my remaining years in this business to count."
(72:24)
Philosophies on Comedy and Acting
David Alan Grier offers profound insights into the nature of comedy and its role in society, drawing parallels with classical and modern comedic philosophies.
"The clown in Shakespeare was a truth-teller under the guise of humor. Modern comedians like Richard Pryor and Dave Chappelle continue that tradition."
(44:38)
He discusses how comedy serves as a subversive medium, allowing performers to address societal issues and personal truths in an accessible manner.
"Comedy takes everyday occurrences and humiliations, turns them around, and makes you laugh. That's the subversive nature of comedy."
(44:38)
Grier pays tribute to his comedic influences, particularly Richard Pryor, whom he regards as his benchmark for integrating depth and humor.
"Richard Pryor was everything to me. He was really funny, and when he became political, it just got deeper."
(45:37)
Navigating the Entertainment Industry
Grier candidly shares his experiences navigating the complexities of the entertainment industry, from hosting SNL to attempting a reboot of In Living Color.
"I hosted SNL twice, but I didn't join the cast because I realized as a host, you have power, but as a cast member, you're just in the back."
(59:08)
He recounts the challenges faced during the attempted In Living Color reboot, highlighting issues like creative ownership and financial disagreements.
"They fucked us on the money. They wouldn't let us own the sketches we wrote, so it just fell apart."
(77:43)
Grier emphasizes the importance of loyalty and staying true to one's creative vision, even when faced with industry pressures.
"No one told us what we could not do. There was so much about In Living Color that was breakthrough."
(78:10)
Personal Reflections and Future Aspirations
In a heartfelt segment, Grier reflects on his personal life, balancing career ambitions with family responsibilities and contemplating his future in the industry.
"I've had two divorces, two marriages, two divorces. But being here now, I can choose what I want to do, not what I need."
(73:12)
He humorously discusses his thoughts on retirement, expressing a desire to remain active and relevant in the industry.
"I'll be retiring in 32 years at the age of 100. I want to make it to be the oldest man who still remembers lines."
(69:12)
Grier underscores the significance of choosing projects that hold personal meaning, aiming to leave a lasting impact through his work.
"I want to pick the right project for the right reasons. If it doesn't resonate with me, I have no time for it."
(72:24)
Closing Thoughts
As the episode draws to a close, Grier reiterates his gratitude for his enduring career and the blessings he acknowledges, while also hinting at future projects he hopes to undertake.
"I did not think this industry would want me at this age. No, man. I'm just coming into it. I have more to say."
(83:03)
"I'm so blessed. I'll continue doing meaningful work and contribute what I can to the industry."
(83:11)
Conclusion
David Alan Grier's conversation with Touré on the Toure Show offers a rich exploration of his extensive career, his contributions to comedy and television, and his thoughtful perspectives on life and artistry. From his pivotal role in In Living Color to his current work on St. Denis Medical, Grier exemplifies resilience, creativity, and a steadfast commitment to meaningful storytelling. This episode serves not only as a tribute to his achievements but also as an inspiration for aspiring artists navigating the complexities of the entertainment world.
Notable Quotes:
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"I can choose what I want to do, not what I need."
(73:12) - David Alan Grier reflecting on career autonomy. -
"Comedy takes everyday occurrences and humiliations, turns them around, and makes you laugh."
(44:38) - Grier on the essence of comedy. -
"Richard Pryor was everything to me. He was really funny, and when he became political, it just got deeper."
(45:37) - On comedic influences. -
"I'm coming into it. I feel great. I feel like I'm just coming into my own."
(71:54) - Grier on his current phase in the industry. -
"Men on Film was... instantly hilarious. It's been embraced by younger gay audiences even if older audiences were initially offended."
(36:38) - Discussing the cultural impact of sketch comedy.
This comprehensive summary encapsulates the essence of David Alan Grier's episode on the Toure Show, providing listeners with a detailed overview of his journey, philosophies, and ongoing contributions to the world of entertainment.