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213. Love is Blind’s Brittany Wisniewski and Leo Braudy: From engaged to good friends, the BTS of their evolving relationship, careers before reality TV, and manifesting each other’s perfect partner
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Host
Brittany and Leo from Love is Blind season seven. Thank you so much for being here on Trading Secrets.
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Brittany
Thank you for having us stoked to be here.
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Host
This is your first podcast that you guys are sitting down together. I feel honored. I know.
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Leo
And in Miami of all places.
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Host
In Miami of all places. The question is, how do you two feel? Because I feel like a lot of people are like, it's a wild dynamic that you could possibly go from, you know, getting married, which obviously wasn't the case, but then to like, like being cool and cordial. Like how, how does that dynamic work for you two and how do you manage it?
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Brittany
So far it's going really good. I don't. I can't explain why we're such good friends. I feel like it was a big into astrology and I feel like we had a very karmatic relationship, but for the positive.
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Leo
Yeah, it's funny. We're not just cordial, we're really good friends. Like, I think even more so than we let on in the reunion and all that stuff. We talk on the phone a ton. I mean, we're both really into affirmations and astrology and a lot of that kind of maybe woo woo stuff, but we pray together.
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Host
Yeah. Really?
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Brittany
On almost daily basis, actually.
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Leo
Yeah.
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Host
Wait, actually.
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Leo
Yeah, yeah.
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Host
Like you call each other and then pray. Literally. Unbelievable.
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Leo
Yeah.
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Host
So people are gonna listen to this just like how, like how you separate, you know, kind of what was and still take such a positive mind frame for, like still being cool with what is. Because that is almost. It feels like it's impossible. I could, I could never do that with my act because I have so much emotion tied to it, you know, So I just, I couldn't. I would, I wish, Wish them all the best, but like, it would be really hard for me to do what you guys are doing and doing it with such positive. It's kind of, it's empowering, it's. It's a little inspirational, I guess. So like, what's that? Trading secret.
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Brittany
How? I think it's because of the length of our relationship. We were really, what, together? Three, four weeks, you know, and half of that was not physical.
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Host
Yeah.
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Brittany
Through all. So we built such a strong friendship that I feel like that was the core.
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Host
Like that was the foundation.
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Brittany
The foundation? Yes.
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Leo
I think that's. Yeah. Like, Brittany was always so easy to talk to. And one of the things in the pods was, I remember our first date. You know, we have all these notebooks and I'm a super meticulous type A person taking notes on Literally everybody. And I remember with Brittany's date, she's like, I'm so up for these notebooks. And we just literally threw the notebooks to the floor. And for the first, like, three dates, we do it. And we didn't really remember any of the facts about each other, but I just remember being like, this is the easiest person to talk to in the world.
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Host
Interesting. All right, that's fascinating. We're going to get into business, talk and kind of what you guys have done before and what you're doing later. But let's talk about this. Like, I think the biggest difference between friendships and relationships is, like, the intimacy part. Right. So is. Is. Would you say, especially being through this experiment, chemistry. And just like. And just like, the. Just the physical nature of the relationship is the determining factor in a relationship. And it's like, a single guy. Educate me. Based on someone who's been behind the wall, in front of the wall, things that, like, you know, obviously didn't work out, but did work out. What's your take on that dynamic of a relationship, the physical part and the chemistry?
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Brittany
For me, that is definitely a big. I mean, one thing for everyone. That's a big factor that we didn't have too much of.
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Host
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Leo
And first of all, I'm a single guy, too, so take anything that I say with a big grain of salt.
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Host
Yeah.
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Leo
But, you know, one thing, like, despite, I think the fact that the reveal looked a little more intense than maybe it was in real life, and we said, like, Brittany never really felt uncomfortable with me, but it was very clear that I was way more attracted to Brittany than she was to me. And one of the reasons we went to Miami was because, like, we wanted to do this next phase of our own experience. Like, it wasn't on camera. So let's try and have recreate this off camera. And Brittany had less of a physical attraction to me than I did to her. And so we wanted to try that, but that's not really the reason it didn't work out. We realized very quickly that we just really were better as friends. But that was also one part of it for sure.
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Host
Yeah. I mean, I put up this story on Instagram, and I told you guys, within an hour, we got over 100,000 views on this thing. A lot of people are interested in both of you, too, and your story. But there were a ton of questions about Miami. People wanted to know, like, the ins and outs. What did you guys actually do? Was there some kind of connection? Is, did you find out there was None. Like, what more could you give us on Miami? Because I got to tell you, of the hundreds and hundreds of responses, Miami was a big one.
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Leo
I'm not surprised.
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Brittany
My memory is not the greatest. Leo, I need you to.
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Host
That's a good friend asking a good friend for help, Leo.
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Leo
Sure. Okay, well, why don't you read one. One of the questions, and let's. Let's take it from there.
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Host
Okay, so here's this. This one says, what happened in Miami? Hook up in Miami. This is. This is from K. Tina Hansen. What did they do in Miami? Like, seriously, I want to play by play. I must know. Like, that's like, a lot of them money mafia. Chill out here.
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Leo
There was so much more to Miami than that. Like, one. One that last. Was it last night that we were at the sls.
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Brittany
Yes.
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Leo
When? With the. With the martini.
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Brittany
Yes.
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Leo
Yeah. There was this big argument that we had about sharing drinks, and it was so funny because it happened at this one bar. This one, like, spot in a bar.
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Host
Yeah.
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Leo
Where she actually had a martini. And I took a sip of it, and she always.
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Host
Yeah, yeah.
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Leo
She got mad, and, I mean, she didn't want me to. And I took a sip of it and then turned her thing, and we found that same spot. And I was like, oh, maybe we should take a photo there. And we're like, bad energy.
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Host
Let's.
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Leo
Let's not do that.
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Host
I saw the TikTok you did about that. Yeah, yeah, that was pretty good. That was a relatable TikTok. All right, so you guys are big on energy. And the. The. The. The number one question also, people are going to ask, is there ever a future?
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Brittany
I'm pretty happy right now.
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Host
Okay.
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Leo
I think we're friends. I think we're friends.
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Host
Friends in a good place.
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Leo
Yeah.
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Host
This is vast. I feel like you guys should write a book together on how you can maintain friendship after a relationship. It's pretty special.
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Leo
Well, Brittany's already written a book, so. Yeah, so it should be. Maybe this will be the next one.
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Host
This will be the next one.
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Brittany
It could be the next one. The next one's going to be all about energy healing. Affirmations. I'm currently writing that, but, you know, maybe in relationship next.
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Host
Okay. With energy healing. And you're writing it right now. How much energy healing have you had to do through this process of reality TV filming, going through all this and where you are today?
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Brittany
I went straight to see a shaman after Love is Blind.
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Host
Yeah. And what did the shaman do for you?
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Brittany
She just collected my little soul Fragments that have split off during hard times in my life. And I gotta say, I felt so different afterwards, like a completely different person.
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Host
Interesting. Have you found this experience and experiment to be a mental challenge? Has it been tough on your mental health?
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Brittany
For sure. I think the hardest part was after filming and dealing with the abundance of hate. And I think that an average person would never be able to handle that. And if I wasn't so spiritually strong, I don't think I would have been able to handle it, to be honest.
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Host
How has that impacted you, Leo? Some of that pushback?
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Leo
Very similar. So, I mean, I'm Jewish, and I became actually way more religious after the show. Like, I pray every day. There's a lot of sort of daily Jewish prayers that I started doing. I have a rabbi that I'm really close to, and that really helped me get through a lot of the hate. And also, thank God that it's over largely. We got a little bit of a redemption arc, and I know some of the people on the cast haven't, which I can only imagine that really sucks. Yeah.
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Host
Do you think you'll go back into reality TV in any capacity if offered?
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Leo
I don't know. I don't think so.
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Host
How about you, Brittany?
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Brittany
Yes. Probably not a dating show.
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Host
Okay.
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Brittany
But I was fun. It was fun. Just, I don't know, just going on there, being yourself, meeting a ton of new people. It was a good experience.
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Host
And so for you, the reward of it outweighs some of the noise that you had to deal with?
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Brittany
Yes. And I think every. I see everything as an opportunity for growth, so, I mean, I just feel so much stronger of a person after this. And I just feel like I stand up for myself a thousand times more. And I think. Think that another one would be challenging, but also rewarding if you play it right.
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Host
Interesting. All right. And careers and life and personal situations. I think we could always kind of, you know, play Monday morning quarterback, look back and think about things we might have done differently that could have impacted us today. You talked about some of the noise that is out there. Leah, we'll start with you first. When you look at your journey through this experiment, what would you say is your biggest regret from it?
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Leo
Sure. I mean, first of all, I guess I talked about money way more than I realized I did. And that was like, super cringy looking back on. And then obviously the whole Hannah Brittany situation, I mean, I addressed it in the reunion, but it, like, I try and block it out of my mind, but it was just a super low point. And it's awful just seeing you be, like, one of the worst versions of yourself. And, like, if nobody else ever saw that, I would still be, like, mortified. Like, I was. The thing that really haunted me was thinking of, like, my mom, who's no longer here. Like, if she had seen that, she would have been, like, so disappointed.
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Host
Yeah.
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Leo
And so that was, like. That, like, haunted me. And I actually, before the reunion, I was really on the fence if I should. Like, I hadn't spoken to Hannah in a long time, and I was like, should I call her? Should I apologize? And I. Like, I didn't know because we hadn't spoken. And I remember I actually called Garrett, and I was like, hey, I'm having this conflict. And I just start weeping on the phone. I'm, like, sobbing uncontrollably. And I'm like, dude, I don't know what to do. Should I apologize? I don't want her to think it's, like, some, like, tactic. And Garrett was like, you seem like you're really sincerely sorry. I'm like, dude, I feel horrible. And so I called Hannah, and I was like, right after that call, I'm, like, still crying. Like, I'm so sorry. Like, I never addressed it. And Hannah was like, she totally forgave me. She's like, first of all, I've been through, like, a million other things in my life since that. Like, I'm over it, but I appreciate that. And then we actually just basically chatted, shot the shit for, like, another hour, and I felt, like, just very cleansed going into the reunion, and. Because I just. I didn't want any apology to her on the reunion to feel, like, performative. I wanted her to know, like, the real emotional apology was off camera. I didn't want her to think I was, like, saving it to get, like, saved crocodile tears, like, or whatever the term is for the camera. So that was, like, the real apology.
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Host
But that's the right. I think that's right. Like, in this world, if I see someone do something, like, let's say it's publicly. I'll always try and, like, contact them directly first. Like, hey, can we. Can we settle this dust before it becomes a complete windstorm? You know what I mean? So I think that's great. You obviously have a great relationship with Brittany. Friendship. Do you have a friendship currently with Hannah? What's the status of that?
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Leo
I would say her and I are friendly. We chat once in a while. Yeah, I mean, Brittany and I are really good friends. I would say Hannah and I are Friendly.
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Host
That's great.
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Leo
Yeah.
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Host
You're going to have to write a book on being the king of friendships after dating and breaking hearts. Unbelievable. I don't know.
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Leo
I don't know. I think I just got lucky.
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Host
I don't know. Tell you what, before I go to you, Brittany, the money aspect, I want to talk about it. You brought it up, the podcast about money. I mean, money has the biggest stigma in the world, right? Like people that talk about it instantly, it's so easy to take it out of context and create villain with it, right?
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Leo
Yeah.
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Host
My whole theory with this whole podcast, 200 episodes in, they're like, we don't have to villainize it. We don't have to put stigmas to it. It's healthy to talk about it. It's one of the most important resources in the world. It's important to have an opinion. And it's better to just voice your opinion on where you stand with it than not talk about it like every other human in the world. And then we know the statistics don't work out. 50% of couples don't talk about money. Of the 50% that do, over half of them fight about it. It decreases intimacy. And 43% of married and cohabitating relationship, they're stealing and lying through money because we're not talking about it. So part of you, I see what you're saying because you probably got a lot of press for that but. Or feedback for that. But also like you stepped into something that is hard to step into with the money conversations. What would you have done differently?
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Leo
I think about that a lot because in one sense, I can't say I wouldn't have brought it up it. Because it does feel relevant. But then I don't know, maybe I shouldn't have brought it up.
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Brittany
I think you defined.
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Host
Are you okay? So I linked this clip on TikTok. Is this the clip? When you say brought it up, is this the one you're talking about? Let me play it and see if this is it.
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Brittany
The bills. Would it be 5050?
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Leo
I don't know if I believe in paying all of it and I don't. But I also don't think I believe in splitting 5050 if I'm like making more. But I do like the thought of both of us paying something because it feels like we're both invested.
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Brittany
I'm glad because I. Because the other guys were hard 5050 and I didn't realize, like, I don't agree with that.
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Host
Okay, but you were honest.
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Brittany
I do like Nice things.
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Leo
That's so brave to say.
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Brittany
Grooming and nails and hair and my fucking workout classes are expensive. And my last relationship, I was taking care of.
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Host
While you're putting this 100%.
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Brittany
That person contacted me immediately.
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Leo
One of the things that I am. Oh, Gez, we got insecure about is, does she want me because of my job and because of the money that. This is so hard to. Listen. I was very blessed to have.
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Host
So that. Is that. That's what you're referring to?
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Leo
Yeah. Yeah.
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Host
Now what. What in that conversation would you have done differently? And maybe I'll. Brittany, you just heard it. You're kind of laughing. What would you have done differently?
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Brittany
We were encouraged to talk about finances.
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Host
You should.
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Brittany
I know. I brought it up. I did not. He was not bragging about it. It's something that came up. We had a.
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Host
And you asked.
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Brittany
Yeah, I asked.
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Host
You open the conversation.
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Leo
Yeah, I guess I honestly regret it because it looks so. It looks so awful, but I.
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Host
What looks awful?
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Leo
I don't know. I just. I feel like I came across as, like, a rich. That was like, here's what I felt like it looked like. And I hope I didn't come across like this, but it seemed like I was almost saying, oh, I'm insecure and don't want to talk about my money as this weird, humble, brag way of saying that I have money.
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Host
Like.
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Leo
But that's, like, not what I was trying to do. I was trying to be super matter of fact about it.
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Host
It sounds like. Here's what I'm hearing and tell me if this is right. The. The intention of wanting to say, hey, this is an insecurity of mine. Right. I inherit a lot of money, yet I have wealth. And I'm a little insecure that someone is going to be with me for that and not who I am. That intention is about as pure and real as it can get. And honest. I think maybe it sounds like you would have had a little different delivery, but the intention, it feels like that's a conversation you probably should have. Right. Literally. Yeah.
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Leo
My family encourages me to have that. Like, one thing that my mom told me. Gangster advice, by the way.
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Host
Yeah. Let's hear it.
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Leo
My mom made more than my dad. My mom's side of the family has the art business.
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Host
Okay.
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Leo
And so when they ended up splitting, actually, that. It was the. That usually it's sort of the. The woman stereotypically has less money and it's taking from that. It was the opposite.
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Host
Yeah.
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Leo
And my mom said that, you know, one of the issues. If, if you know you have significant assets, you want to have a prenup. And many people wait a long time for a prenup and then all of a sudden you're like way down the road and what if she's not okay with it? And that's okay not to be okay with it. So you should bring it up early. There's no good way to bring it up. But if it's going to be a red wall, why wait until you're madly in love, a year into dating talk, or maybe engaged? So I figured now that we have this really compressed timeline, that was one thing that I like brought up with Britney. I brought it up with Hannah because we got to that point. So that was a big reason of bringing up the money.
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Host
Yeah. And I think that's healthy to proactively talk about it. And our take here, at least my take on prenups are every. Everybody has a prenup. It's your state law. Do you want to customize it like there's a prenup in place? Do you want to customize it and make it for your situation?
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Host
Like details of prenups, like specifics? What did that look like amongst you too?
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Brittany
I don't think so.
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Leo
I don't remember actually a little bit what I said. It was very short. Was any money that I inherited if we were to split, you're right, that that would be for hopefully my future wife and our children. So that, you know, wouldn't be fair. And the other thing is, because I have a business, I wouldn't want 50% of my business taken. Largely because what happens that situation is Brittany would then get 50% or any woman get 50% of the voting power in the business. That was a big issue actually with like a lot of things. So really it was for me, it would be any money that I would make after we were married. Like 50, 50, whatever. Like split how fine. Just the business that I had for my family and the inheritance. Yeah, that, that was on. That was the main thing for me for sure.
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Host
Makes perfect sense. Ready? What's your take? So we played that clip back. You laughed a little bit, had fun with it. Is there anything like you would have done different? Or what was that react?
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Brittany
I. I mean, I said what I said.
- [18:03]
Host
Yeah.
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Brittany
And it was fine. It's just like, oh my gosh, as soon as I saw that first episode, I was like, I'm gonna have to delete all my social media and, and fall off the face of the planet. But it's fine.
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Host
But like, I mean, a lot of girls, that's how you feel. Yeah, I was gonna say that's how that was for the feel Speak how you feel. Like, why put a film, you know, people can judge if they agree with it or disagree with it, but why put a filter on something that, you know, you feel strongly about?
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Brittany
Yeah.
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Host
Weird. Talk to me about a lot of like money behaviors or thoughts are derived from childhood experience or maybe family upbringing. Is there something that may have happened in just your childhood or things that you've seen in life that you want security financially with a partner?
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Brittany
Thinking about my childhood, it was pretty normal. A very middle class family. My parents were never very happy together. And yeah, actually, wow, you might be right about this because my mom, she would try to divorce my dad and it I just saw where money would become important in a relationship. I think early, like you need to be financially stable enough to leave a relationship.
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Host
Oh, so you know, like maybe an something that you took is she was staying in the relationship because she wasn't financially independent on her own.
- [19:23]
Brittany
Yes.
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Host
And so for baby as a child, you were saying, I need financial security.
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Brittany
Yes.
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Host
And so that, that's something that comes forward.
- [19:29]
Brittany
Yeah. You're looking for a very vivid memory of her being like, look, you know, if your dad and I divorced, we're gonna have to live in an apartment. And I'm like, I don't care, you know?
- [19:41]
Host
Yeah, absolutely.
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Brittany
It never came to that because she did Pass away. But, yeah, I think it was an early memory of just realizing how hard it would be to get out of a relationship if your finances weren't right.
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Host
It's a real thing.
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Brittany
Yeah, it's very sad.
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Host
Absolutely. Well, I'm glad that both of you felt comfortable enough to talk about it because it's an important topic to talk about and it's very scrutinized. So you step into it and it's like, you can't win in that conversation of money. It's just a hard one to do. Let's go back to careers, what it looked like before the show. So esthetician, Right. Okay. And so are you still on that career track? Are you maybe going to go in a different direction? What does your professional life look like today?
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Brittany
I've had clients that I've known for, like, 13 years, and I feel like I'll always, you know, see those clients whenever I'm back in Maryland. It's not a passion of mine anymore, if I'm being honest. I always love skincare, but I've been doing it since I was literally 19, so I do feel quite over it. And I've been taking off more and more and more.
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Host
Yeah.
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Brittany
Like the whole month of December.
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Host
Yeah.
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Brittany
Traveling all around. So I do see myself getting out of that quickly.
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Host
Okay, you're gonna make a move. Talk to us about this. We've never had anybody in skincare an esthetician on. Just give us an idea. How are estheticians compensated? Do you get a percentage of the. The amount of work you're doing? Do you get like a percentage of products you sell? Like, how does it work, the business model?
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Brittany
I feel like it could go one of two ways. And there is either a commission. So you can make a certain commission off of the facial or waxing or whatever you do. Ok. Plus tip and then plus product commission. Or you could just be on a baseline salary.
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Host
Okay, what are commissions? Like, would you say average commission at.
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Leo
A place would be around 40, 50%.
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Host
Okay, that makes sense. And then on the products, what's the average commission?
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Brittany
Around, like 10.
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Host
10. Okay, got it.
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Leo
Yeah.
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Host
And then what would you say if I googled right now, esthetician, average base salary. If they're not on commission, Just base salary plus tips. What around is it?
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Brittany
I think it depends on the state, to be honest. Okay, so Maryland, I would say 60, 70.
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Host
Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. Cost of living adjustments. But you thought you're. You're seeing something new, then you think there's going to be a new Direction. What do you think it's going to be? If you had the crystal ball, you got your energy rolling, what does the career track look like for Brittany five years from now? What do you. What's the dream?
- [21:58]
Brittany
Okay. I would say definitely influencing and then just continuing to write books. And so I have a book all about health. I. I switch my passions quite often.
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Host
Yeah.
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Brittany
And I will obsessively learn about something and then feel like I've conquered that, write a book and move on. And I feel like I've conquered energy, healing, and spiritual stuff. So I feel like I need to write that book and then move on to who knows what.
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Host
Okay. So who knows what? Maybe more reality tv. Get the book done.
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Brittany
That's relationship.
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Host
And my relationship advice. One thing I did want to get your opinion on, because we already talked about it, just your take on the Hannah situation and just like, from your lens, because we heard it from Leo's.
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Brittany
I would say if I was in Hannah's position, I probably would have said a lot of the things she was saying and felt how she was feeling, for sure. And don't get me wrong, I love Nick. I love all my castmates. But I. I mean, I was kind of blown away with the amount of hate that she's getting. It's unbelievable. And I. I do understand, you know, there's ways in which you could say things, maybe nice or something, but I kind of have her edginess as well. So for me, I'm like, rip it.
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Host
Rip it. Say it.
- [23:12]
Brittany
Yeah.
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Host
Okay. And how about from Leo's perspective during, like, the whole.
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Brittany
The pod situation?
- [23:18]
Host
Yeah.
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Brittany
Okay.
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Host
Okay. You want to check out the clip? I'll hold off on that clip. I'll leave the room. I got it. We won't play it.
- [23:26]
Brittany
I will say, when I watched the episode where him and Hannah kind of break things off, I knew it was bad because Hannah off camera was like, oh, my God, he's the worst.
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Host
Yeah. Yeah.
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Brittany
But I did. I didn't know exactly what was said. I didn't know he was calling her her twin flame, or else I for sure would have left. I would have literally probably torn down the wall and killed him. I was like. I was a little mad.
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Host
Are we over it?
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Brittany
Oh, yeah. I don't think any of us are. Twin blame.
- [24:02]
Host
Yeah, that's true. That's true. I think you can figure that in the moment.
- [24:06]
Brittany
I might have thought so maybe. I don't know.
- [24:09]
Host
Sure. Yeah.
- [24:09]
Brittany
So, yeah, I think if I had been a fly on the wall, I would not have gotten Engaged.
- [24:16]
Host
Gotcha.
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Brittany
For sure.
- [24:17]
Host
All right, that's interesting.
- [24:18]
Brittany
So she kind of told me, but I didn't have enough details to break things off because my feelings were so strong.
- [24:23]
Host
When you watched it back, because it's always interesting in reality TV what happens versus what you watch. You surprised by it or were you like, oh, that kind of aligns with what I heard it.
- [24:31]
Brittany
It did kind of align. It's just certain phrases and certain things that were said that I. I just didn't know about at all until I watched it.
- [24:39]
Host
And what. You know, what a tough. It's a tough position. It's a tough position.
- [24:44]
Leo
Forced to date all these women.
- [24:45]
Host
It's a really. It's a. It feels like you can't win almost. Unless I guess the only way to. Is that you just focus on one person. On only one person.
- [24:54]
Leo
And I think a lot of the guys found their. A lot of the guys found their one person.
- [24:58]
Host
Yeah.
- [24:58]
Leo
Really early on.
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Host
Yeah.
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Leo
And I didn't. And so woe is me, I guess. But I, you know, and the worst is the more time that I wanted, the deeper I got with both.
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Host
Yeah.
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Leo
And then of course, it exploded.
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Host
Yeah. Would you. Knowing what you know now, would you go back on Love is Blind? Like, if you could go talk to Leah before he signed up, what would you tell him? Would you say, do it or don't do it?
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Leo
I think I would still tell them to do it.
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Host
Okay.
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Leo
Because I learned so much about myself.
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Host
Yeah.
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Leo
I feel like I got like 10 lifetimes of.
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Host
Yeah.
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Leo
Human psychology, dating psychology, Everything, Literally.
- [25:32]
Host
And growth. Like, Right. Oh, you have a lot of. There's a lot of self awareness that must be built when you're watching yourself. Sure.
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Host
Okay, one thing I want to talk about. We already talked a little bit about it. Your career, right? We've heard stories. And again, in this question box, there's a lot of Leo. Does Leo always pay for. Does Leo always pay for Britney and her friends, even though they're friends? What? How much does Leo make? How much money does he have? How much inheritance does Leo. I mean, literally, it's like all about Leo and money. Well, the numbers.
- [26:50]
Leo
I'm definitely not going to say the numbers.
- [26:52]
Host
You're not sharing. What can you share with all these? Look at this one. What does this bank account look like? My followers are savage. Ask Leo if he's rich.
- [27:02]
Leo
Well, first of all, for the, for the numbers, you'll have to ask my accountant.
- [27:04]
Brittany
But okay, I don't even know.
- [27:06]
Leo
Yeah, yeah.
- [27:07]
Brittany
Until he bit on that banana. I said, oh, did you.
- [27:09]
Host
I have a real quick. Wait, what'd you say? What'd you say?
- [27:13]
Brittany
He bit on the.
- [27:14]
Leo
Remember the banana?
- [27:15]
Host
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [27:16]
Leo
I bid on that.
- [27:16]
Host
Wait, no way?
- [27:17]
Leo
Yeah, I bet a million and a half on it.
- [27:18]
Host
No, it would itself for six point.
- [27:20]
Leo
Six point six. Yeah.
- [27:22]
Host
So if we're going to go back to your money situation in a second. But if you suppose you win that bid, one point, what was it? 1.1?
- [27:28]
Leo
Well, our bottle, it was 1.3, but with the buyer's premium, it would have been a little over a million and a half.
- [27:33]
Host
Buyer's premium is what you have to pay if you actually win the bid.
- [27:36]
Leo
So yeah, so if you win the bid, you then pay like 20% on top of it. And that's what the auction house takes. That's what, like the people that sell the man and that's what they get. And then the person who owned the banana gets the 1.3.
- [27:45]
Host
Okay, so what is the strategy? We're coming back to Leo and his business. But why do you bid $1.3 million on a. Do you think? Like, what's. You're. Like, I can get a return. Talk to me.
- [27:55]
Leo
So for me, I'm a dealer, right? So that particular artwork sold five years ago at Here at Miami Art Basel in 2019 to a gallery called Perotin Gallery. They sold three editions for $120,000. And it made very local art news headlines because it was like banana tape to Wall goes for 120k, which is still pretty crazy, by the way. This is a very well known Artist, the guy that made the banana.
- [28:16]
Host
Okay, so he's got massive credibility.
- [28:18]
Leo
He's huge credibility. He's in major museums. So this makes news. Anything that makes news is going to have value. Same in any collectible item. Then when I learned that Sotheby's was putting it up for auction, I figured this is like a piece of art history. The amount of press this is generating. I have clients that buy certain works. I felt that I could get this and in a few years sell it to someone else for like four or five. But then for me, my top was two. And when the bids got above two, I was like. Because it goes really fast in the room. It's like 1.121. But they were. So I bet 1.3. And then in like 10 seconds, it was at like 2.5. And then I was like, it's. There's better things I could do with my money, better pieces of art that I could buy or various investments that would make a better return. So that's why I stopped. And then some Chinese crypto billionaire who has more money than God and way deeper pockets bought it first. He probably would have bought it for $62 million. Honestly, I think it was all claim money to him.
- [29:09]
Host
It was all immediate.
- [29:09]
Leo
Yeah, I would.
- [29:10]
Host
Quick. I'm going to go quick to a one business question, so we're going a little deeper. When you buy, suppose you did win that 1.3 million.
- [29:16]
Leo
Yeah.
- [29:16]
Host
Do you have a line of credit that you work off there? Do you only do cash? Like the business model, model of buying art? Do you have, like a working capital line of credit? Do you use that to flip and.
- [29:24]
Leo
Sell for this piece? No. This would have been all. All personal. But sometimes I go into a consortium with other dealers where a group of dealers will go in, like, different percentages on a piece that's valuable. That oftentimes happens for very expensive. Like when you hear someone. When someone buys a piece for like. Like these crazy ones, like $50 million, like, really one. They'll be like. There can be five times, even a dozen dealers that go in together. So sometimes I'll be in with that. I typically don't do credit, though. I've honestly considered it. It's. It. It can be a little tricky with art. There's so many layers to this, because in terms of getting credit, you can either take it from a bank, which can be difficult, or you can take. So Sotheby's, the auction house that sold the banana, it has something called Sotheby's Financial Services where they give you art backed lines of credit.
- [30:07]
Host
Okay.
- [30:08]
Leo
And you can get art backed loans for banks, but it's only for very well known pieces of art. Like if you have a Picasso, everyone knows Picasso. So a bank has an art appraiser that can give you a line of credit based on the asset value of that piece. But for something that's a little bit less known, like a lesser known artist, Sotheby's has all these art experts in the auction house. So they'll give you a line of credit. It's worse terms than a bank. Like, it's like might even be. I forget what I would say. It's like 7%. Maybe I'm wrong. Don't quote me on that. Yeah, but a lot of people will do that. So they'll put up art also. With a lot of these works, there's guarantees. Like, so that banner was, I think, guaranteed to sell for like a million no matter what.
- [30:39]
Host
Wow.
- [30:40]
Leo
So they had like a third party buyer. Yeah, yeah. So there's like so many layers to all this, but yeah.
- [30:44]
Host
That's unbelievable. All right, that's interesting to learn back. You got a little detour there. From the tough question, we know the account's not in the room. A lot of people also, by the way, comment on your Rolexes. There's a lot of Watch talk. Yeah, watch talk here. So what can you share? I got one on two, by the way. You're not alone. Okay. We're in this together. Cheers. I guess I screw the Rolex haters. You can actually buy them and then flip them for more. That's an investment. Okay, keep going.
- [31:07]
Leo
That is absolutely true. There's actually great Instagram accounts of people doing that.
- [31:10]
Host
Totally.
- [31:11]
Leo
So, okay, all of the Rolex talk.
- [31:14]
Host
A lot of Rolex talk out here.
- [31:16]
Leo
I know, but it was all in the context of family. And this Rolex is an incredibly personal family heirloom. And it's funny because a lot of people on like there's like watch nerd forums, they're like, that's not even that nice of a Rolex. I'm like, yeah, that's totally true. Like in terms of Rolexes, they go up like way. This is a vintage one, which is like, not as, like, nice. I mean, obviously all these watches are expensive, but this watch was my great grandfather's. And well, it's kind of an insane story, to be honest.
- [31:44]
Host
Let's hear it real quick.
- [31:45]
Leo
So he was born in America in the early 1900s. Family moved over to Hungary. World War I breaks out. Dad gets Shot in the head. Mom kicks him out of the house. We think he might have been a bastard child. Makes his way to Germany, to England. Rich uncle sends his voyage. He comes from England, back to America. He's living with the rich uncle, butlers and servants. Has a crazy gambling problem, Pisses all the money away. One night he's back out, like, not on the street, but in, like, a crappy apartment. At this point, he's in, like, eighth grade. Drops out of middle school, becomes eighth grade.
- [32:07]
Host
Yeah, you got some lineage, dude.
- [32:09]
Leo
This. This is, like, from. He becomes an upholsterer, which he did for the rest of his life, like fixing furniture. When he was 18 years old, he found that his mom, maybe his mom was back in the States, in New York. So he goes up to her house and he knocks on the door. He's like, mom, I'm home, like. Like, it's me, like. And she slams the door in his face without ever telling him. And it was so traumatizing. He never told his daughter, my grandma, his origin story until he was on his deathbed. And he told her once. And this Rolex. My grandparents, when they made money in the art business, because he was dirt poor. They were born dirt poor. And when they made money, this was like the. We made it. And the inscription on the back is, Happy 85th birthday. Love, Ethel and Arthur. Which are my grandparents.
- [32:47]
Host
Wow.
- [32:47]
Leo
And this is like, he wore this and he would literally hammer like a polisher. He was like a work till the day you die kind of guy. And so he, like, had this, like, beat up Rolex. You, like, stick it in nails. And so it's, like, incredibly sentimental. And I keep this with the hammer that I got from him for my bar mitzvah. I guess some of that got lost in the sauce. And I get it, it's a flashy, like, thing. But to me, this thing could be, like. I don't, like, really.
- [33:09]
Host
It's invaluable.
- [33:10]
Leo
Invaluable. Like, literally, you could. I will never. Like this. This will go with me, the Rolex go to my children, and their children.
- [33:17]
Host
Will chirp all day long. That is going to be passed on. All right, how about this? Can you tell me this with our business, can you talk at all about, like, maybe a revenue, A top line revenue? A goal, A goal, revenue wise. Can you give me any number at all?
- [33:32]
Leo
Okay, okay, I'll.
- [33:35]
Host
Brittany's like, wow, I'm interested. Tell me more. He's like, I'm just listening to this podcast at this point.
- [33:41]
Leo
Okay, I'll Say this about the art business. Okay. I will give you some very vague numbers to satisfy the listeners here.
- [33:48]
Host
Okay?
- [33:48]
Leo
So first off, the art. Art is very volatile. And at the end of the day, it's luxury sales. And you can sell one painting for a crazy amount of money, and that can be like almost a majority of your revenue for the year. It's kind of like people that sell commercial real estate. So you can make a ton. You can make way less. I will say that my revenue can generate from sometimes high six figures. It can be seven figures. I'm not at, like, there's some dealers that make like, clear, like a billion dollars a year. Like, I'm obviously not that. Yeah, those people are like flying in private jets all over the world. So I'm definitely not at that level. But it fluctuates a ton. It fluctuates a ton.
- [34:25]
Host
Here's one I got for you. What's the best deal you ever did on a piece of art? Bought it. Sold it.
- [34:30]
Leo
Like, how much I made on it?
- [34:31]
Host
Yeah, like the best deal. Like your marquee, your. Your Emmy award winning, your Tony award for your art deal.
- [34:38]
Leo
Oh, I'm trying to think.
- [34:39]
Host
Brittany's like, I should have asked these in the pod.
- [34:42]
Brittany
I had no idea what our dealing was.
- [34:44]
Host
Give me one Tony Award winning.
- [34:46]
Leo
I can't. I can't speak of the piece because it's like. Because, like, confidential. I got you to say it was a seven figure deal.
- [34:51]
Host
Seven figure deal of profitability.
- [34:54]
Leo
Yeah.
- [34:54]
Host
Damn, dude. I gotta get in the art business. That Cindy should get in the art business. Let's go.
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Brittany
Congrats.
- [35:03]
Host
I got three, four, five. Did you get it? Seven. Brittany's like, you know what? Maybe we can make this work. I'm totally kidding. I'm totally kidding. I'm totally kidding.
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Indeed. Wow. Well, thank you for sharing all that. And we asked. I asked Brittany, but crystal ball, where do you see five years? Where is it going to be? You going to stay in this. This space of, you know, media marketing? You're going to stay in art? What's the dream?
- [36:30]
Leo
I would love to stay in art. I mean, I did not expect. But the thing is, here's what's funny. I didn't expect, like, this art dealer thing to become a meme like, Bernie. I didn't talk about it.
- [36:39]
Host
Right.
- [36:39]
Leo
Like, no, no. Like, I really didn't talk about it.
- [36:41]
Brittany
I didn't know he was an art dealer until, like, date four.
- [36:44]
Host
Wow.
- [36:44]
Leo
Interesting. I actually don't like talking about it because in DC, if you mention it, like, I get it. It's like a job that people want to know more about.
- [36:51]
Host
Sure. So they're like, it's a sexy title.
- [36:53]
Leo
It sounds first. It's way less sexy than it sounds. It's phone calls and emails. It's not like, it sounds cool. It's not nearly as cool as it sounds, but people are like, oh, my aunt's an artist. Or this. Like, sometimes I get in conversations where it's like. Like, take your number. So I usually just say, like, I'll say, like, I'm a consultant for Deloitte. Like, I'll just lie. But anyways, now that I got memed as this art dealer, everybody now knows that I'm an art dealer.
- [37:14]
Host
Yeah.
- [37:14]
Leo
So I've been kind of having fun making art content because I've noticed a lot of people have questions like, why did the banana sell for so much money?
- [37:22]
Host
Like, what.
- [37:22]
Leo
What the hell is going on?
- [37:23]
Host
Why.
- [37:23]
Leo
Why is the Slash and Campus going for a million dollars? And I'm not trying to defend it or to say that it's all a scam. I'm here to. I think there's some. I feel that I could explain it to people.
- [37:33]
Host
I feel like you should probably defend and explain.
- [37:35]
Leo
Exactly.
- [37:36]
Host
Right. Like, I mean, it's your business.
- [37:37]
Leo
It's my business.
- [37:37]
Host
It's your business. Interesting.
- [37:39]
Leo
So maybe there will be a Future of that with, like, maybe making art. I'd love to make. I'd love to explain art to more people. And maybe there's also like a business. It's kind of like become a little mini passion project of mine.
- [37:48]
Host
Okay, Leo the art explainer, educator and defender. I see that happening. All right, Brittany, let's do this. What would you say if you could say, like, you know, there's different podcasts out there, there's media outlets, there's people that are like, that are trolls. You already talked about, like, what's the one biggest misconception that you would say to them?
- [38:07]
Brittany
I would say that I don't. I don't think I would ever marry for just money and just do nothing. I am always doing something, so I get pegged this a lot, you know, like, oh, she just wants to be pretty and do nothing. I'm literally always doing something. I'm picking up trash. I picked up like 12,000 pounds of trash. I always have passion projects. I'm writing a book. Like, I'm not going to make any money from this book, but I love it. I'm.
- [38:32]
Host
When you said picking up trash, at first I was like, where do you go with this? But you picked up £12,000.
- [38:37]
Brittany
Yes. And then like, go. You know, I talked about that for. In the pods, but it was shown for a split second. So then when people saw me on social media, they're like, oh, my God, why didn't you talk about this? And like, yeah, I did, but, like.
- [38:50]
Host
It was like two seconds.
- [38:51]
Brittany
Yeah. You can't control what's shown. So. Yeah, I'm just a very compassionate person. Like, I have an activist spirit.
- [38:59]
Host
I like it. You're. You're put in a box. And that's not a box you live in is what I'm handed to.
- [39:03]
Brittany
No.
- [39:03]
Host
Yeah. And that's not who you are at the core. I like it. Okay. What would you say, Leo? God.
- [39:08]
Leo
I was thinking while. What to say when you were saying that maybe this was. Has been shown a little more on social media, but I just. I think I'm like a really goofy guy.
- [39:19]
Host
And Brittany, you can attest.
- [39:21]
Brittany
Yeah. I didn't know that. I didn't see that side of him till after. Till after. Really? Yeah.
- [39:27]
Host
Okay.
- [39:27]
Leo
I'm like a. Some like a never serious sometimes type guy.
- [39:30]
Host
Yeah.
- [39:31]
Leo
And I think in the past it seemed like so intense all the time and like freaking out all the time. But I like to think in real life I laugh at myself a lot, which hopefully came across.
- [39:40]
Host
Yeah. For sure. Okay. I like that. Awesome. Well, guys, I get to talk to you for another hour, but we're running out of studio time, so we might have to do a part two at some point. But for now, I gotta wrap up with your trading secret. So it's specific to either something you've learned in your professional life, your personal life, or financial life. But it's special to you and your journey. No, you know, professor or TikTok tutorial or YouTube tutorial could recreate it. It's just something that's meaningful to you. Who wants to go first?
- [40:06]
Leo
I actually know exactly what I'm gonna say.
- [40:08]
Host
Love it.
- [40:08]
Leo
All right. It comes from my mom and it's the wisest thing anyone has ever told me. So I was between a very difficult decision of choosing where to go to college, and I was incredibly, incredibly indecisive. I guess indecision is a theme of my life, but my.
- [40:22]
Host
See, he is funny, guys.
- [40:26]
Leo
My mom sent me an email, actually funny enough. And that basically what she said is, there is an irony in life that you oftentimes have the least amount of time for the most important decisions. For example, buying a pair of pants, you can spend weeks thinking about it, buy it, return it. But buying a house, there might be a couple coming in 30 minutes after you got a close. Or same goes with buying a car. Same goes In a relationship, there's always that moment when it's like you're going up or you're going down. Like, you know, like, are you going to take things seriously? Or think? And that there is that, you know, you have to go with your gut. And I think that you have to basically always be prepared to. To make like, those types of decisions that everybody has a right to follow their own destiny.
- [41:11]
Host
Even no matter. Like, it's kind of like, even no matter how big or how much magnitude that decision has, you got to be prepared to make it. I like that.
- [41:18]
Leo
And I'll give you one more.
- [41:19]
Host
Sorry. Let's get two from Leo. Double dip.
- [41:22]
Leo
Also for my mom, she was so smart. Is. You should calculate very specifically what your time is worth. Like, you should. How much you make if you have a job.
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Host
And I love this trading secret.
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Leo
Yeah.
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Host
And it's really good.
- [41:34]
Leo
And if it. If you make 20 an hour. Yeah, okay, 20 an hour. And then when you're thinking of what to do, like, for example, if you order something off of Amazon and it's $3 and it's going to take you like an hour to put it in and to return it or whatever that is. Not literally worth your time, because in theory, you could work another hour. It's not that it always shakes out like that, that it's that easy, but when you factor that in, you realize that you have way more time than you have and most people's time at no matter what level. This was true even of my grandparents when they came from. Literally nothing is worth more than you think.
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Host
Financially, I think it's a really good one, especially for people that spread themselves too thin. Yes. Like, you put a dollar to your. Not to your hour, and then when you say yes to everything, you start to rethink. Like, if you're like, okay, wait, that's gonna be five hours. That dollar amounts that. I don't know if that makes sense. That's a really cool trading secret. I like. I double dip Leo.
- [42:26]
Leo
Thanks.
- [42:26]
Host
All right, Brittany, you got to come. You got to come in strong. You got to finish it strong. It's been a great podcast.
- [42:31]
Brittany
Poorly. I call him with all my problems, and he gives me this sage advice like, yeah, you got me through some tough times.
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Host
Is that your trading secret?
- [42:42]
Brittany
I will give you his number for a pray call.
- [42:44]
Host
Leah, call Leo and pray together. That could be.
- [42:48]
Brittany
I got a new career.
- [42:49]
Host
A new career call Leah. What would you charge for it? There might be some buyers out there.
- [42:54]
Brittany
Probably. I want to say low. A hundred dollars. Well, double my word.
- [43:02]
Host
Sounds like his time per hour. More than 100 bucks, it sounds like. Do you think you, like, would you ever set Leo up with someone?
- [43:08]
Brittany
Yeah.
- [43:09]
Host
Like, you play matchmaker?
- [43:10]
Brittany
Yeah, I try to.
- [43:11]
Host
This could.
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Leo
I would trust her. I feel like, totally.
- [43:12]
Host
This could be a show. Like, you go out there, do some matchmaking, and then you have to meet with them first.
- [43:18]
Leo
All of it's a great.
- [43:19]
Host
And then, like, after, like, their first kiss, you separate and be like, what'd you think? Was there a connection? Because you're being your friendship so strong. It sounds like you would understand. You would see it.
- [43:29]
Brittany
Yeah. Leo and I actually, when we pray, we manifest each other's perfect partners.
- [43:34]
Host
Wow.
- [43:34]
Brittany
And I nailed her to the detail.
- [43:37]
Host
What? What? Let's manifest his right now. Let's hear it.
- [43:39]
Brittany
Okay. Oh, and then I'm proud of being put on the spot. Okay. I gotta close my eyes and focus. Okay. She is obviously very beautiful, Jewish. I'm picturing dark hair, dark eyes, successful on her own, has her own life. Because he is very busy. And I feel like you just need to be doing your own thing. You can't be too needy to be with him. I feel from experience, someone who likes art, likes going out in New York City, networking, chit chatting.
- [44:10]
Leo
You know what's one you've always said which is so funny? Is loves going grocery shopping.
- [44:14]
Brittany
Yes, I do. He loves going grocery shopping.
- [44:16]
Leo
I'll go walk through every aisle.
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Host
I just had the apartment guy on, and he said that his new dating strategy, instead of like going on fancy dates and trying to like, explore, just like, I'm just going to take them grocery shopping. I'll buy the groceries. I'll get to learn what they like. I'll get to learn what they buy. All this. I was like, interesting.
- [44:29]
Leo
That's interesting.
- [44:30]
Host
Okay.
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Brittany
I don't cloak they'd be like, do.
- [44:34]
Host
You want to leave us with another trading secret? Is it just call Leo?
- [44:37]
Brittany
No, no, no, no. I have my own.
- [44:38]
Host
Okay, let's get it.
- [44:39]
Brittany
Okay. Something that I always fall back to is I see the world as a school, and in spirituality, I'm. This is just my personal belief. So I just don't see the end. Like, if I'm going through something very difficult, I don't have this like, oh, my gosh, like, this is the worst thing ever. I'm like, what's the. What is the learning lesson here? And how can I learn it and move on to the next chapter and graduate this and then move on to the better, higher and greater chapter of my life?
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Host
That's great. I mean, it's. It's like if you go think about like grade K through 12 and so on, right? You think about like every chapter. You go through something, you learn something, and then it's in the past, it's done.
- [45:17]
Brittany
Our soul is always evolving. It's always growing. We're going to bring, well, maybe I don't know if you believe, but reincarnated into a different version and learn a whole new lesson in that lifetime.
- [45:25]
Host
Wow. Do you think you've lived. How many lives do you think you've lived?
- [45:30]
Brittany
Not too many.
- [45:31]
Host
Okay.
- [45:32]
Leo
Just a few.
- [45:32]
Brittany
At least 10.
- [45:34]
Host
At least 10.
- [45:35]
Brittany
Yeah.
- [45:35]
Host
All right. This was a fascinating episode of Trading Secrets. We hit personal, professional, financial love, friendships manifesting spirituality, all the things this has been phenomenal. Brittany, we'll start with you. Where can everyone find you and everything you have going on?
- [45:50]
Brittany
All my social handles are Brittany and with Newski.
- [45:53]
Host
Okay, Go follow Brittany. Can. Can people, like, do you. Can people book esthetician work with you right now?
- [45:59]
Brittany
Are you trying to get out of it?
- [46:01]
Host
Okay. You're trying to get out, so do.
- [46:02]
Brittany
Not go to her.
- [46:04]
Host
Okay. I was trying to promote the business after the commission appreciated That I got you, Leo. Where can everyone find everything you have going on? Leo?
- [46:11]
Leo
Underscore Brody. B R A U D Y.
- [46:14]
Host
Cool. And where can they find anything about your artwork? Is there a website or.
- [46:17]
Leo
Yeah, my website's on my Instagram. So I guess if you happen to be in the market or if you just have a question about art, I'm always kind of enjoying making these videos. If there's anything you want to know, maybe I'll make a video on it. So just, I don't know, comment on it on a post or DM me or email me at my business email. It's up there.
- [46:31]
Brittany
And if you're a Listerine, he would like a brand deal.
- [46:34]
Host
Listerine.
- [46:35]
Brittany
No money involved, just Listerine strips.
- [46:37]
Host
Do you have like a bad breath thing or. No?
- [46:39]
Brittany
Well, no, he does not. I will say that. Let me not start a rumor.
- [46:44]
Leo
I always.
- [46:44]
Host
You have great breath because of Lister. Oh, but you just always have them on you.
- [46:48]
Leo
Always, always.
- [46:48]
Host
Gotcha.
- [46:49]
Leo
If you see one in the street and it's empty, like, call the police.
- [46:51]
Brittany
No, like, something like that, I've been picking up after you.
- [46:53]
Host
Yeah, that's all the trash you've been.
- [46:55]
Brittany
Little microplastic.
- [46:56]
Host
Leo's Listerine strips. Fun fact in the Bachelor you are. You have like three of those at all times on you, like everyone does, because you know there's a lot of kissing, so you can't have bad breath. So like it's always before you go into a scene, before you go anything. Listerine strips, Listerine strips, Listerine strips. So there you go, Listerine. If you're listening, you got someone who deserves a sponsorship. Well, thank you guys so much for being on this episode of Trade Secrets. It was a fun one. And good luck with all your continued success. We'll have to have you on for a part two one of these days for sure.
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Brittany
Thank you.
- [47:37]
Host
Me.
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