236. John Sanone: Farmer Wants a Wife fan favorite breaks down the BTS of life on reality tv, navigating his own deals, and the duality of farm life and future plans

Summary

Podcast Summary: Trading Secrets Episode 236 Guest: John Sansone
Release Date: May 26, 2025

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Introduction

In Episode 236 of Trading Secrets, hosted by John Sansone and co-host David Arduin from Audioboom Studios, John Sansone—a beloved contestant from Season Three of Farmer Wants a Wife—joins the conversation. John brings a unique blend of southern charm, honesty, and a deep-rooted legacy from his family's fifth-generation farm. Additionally, he is navigating the demanding path of law school while exploring opportunities in the media and financial sectors.

Journey on Farmer Wants a Wife

John Sansone shares his unexpected journey into the world of reality TV. Originally hesitant about joining Farmer Wants a Wife, John did not anticipate forming a deep connection with Claire, his eventual partner from the show.

[02:04] John Sansone: "What came first is, you know, it's an insane opportunity to do something new, to walk on this new frontier and possibly make something out of it. If I happen to find a wife, great. If I don't. So what?"

John reflects on the unpredictability of reality TV relationships, comparing his experience to that of contestants on shows like The Bachelor, emphasizing the challenges of transitioning relationships from a "bubble" environment to real life.

Relationship with Claire

The relationship between John and Claire evolved as a slow burn, contrasting with the typically rushed pace of reality TV romances. They maintained their relationship privately for about six months post-filming, managing the challenges of distance—John in St. Louis and Claire in Chicago—while balancing his law studies and her professional commitments.

[07:02] Host: "Her and my relationship was a very slow burn... ours kind of slowly became that way, which is more natural."

John highlights the importance of communication and mutual understanding in sustaining their bond amidst the pressures of newfound fame and academic responsibilities.

Balancing Law School and Farming Legacy

John delves into his dual life, balancing the responsibilities of managing his family's farm with the rigorous demands of law school. He discusses the careful consideration he took before joining the show, consulting with his father and relying on his faith to make informed decisions.

[05:55] Host: "It took me about a month of back and forth talking to people, going through it with my dad, praying about it to actually decide to go okay."

He emphasizes the integral role his family's legacy plays in his life and his aspirations to contribute meaningfully to the farming business while pursuing his legal career.

Reality TV Opportunities and Challenges

The conversation shifts to the broader implications of reality TV participation. John candidly discusses the initial risks associated with potential negative impacts on his professional career and the strategic opportunities that arose from his appearance on the show.

[06:11] Host: "Yeah, 100%. It took me about a month of back and forth..."

John acknowledges the unexpected benefits, such as increased visibility and subsequent opportunities in media and social media, which have become lucrative avenues for him.

Monetizing Social Media: Challenges and Insights

John shares his experiences with monetizing his social media presence. Despite growing his follower base significantly, he has only secured a modest $3,200 from brand deals, attributing this to initial miscalculations in pricing and the complexities of negotiation.

[23:12] Host: "You're going to laugh. Okay, about 3200."

John emphasizes the importance of understanding the market value of his influence and the need for professional assistance in negotiating deals to maximize earnings.

Samantha Kiss Incident: Reflection and Impact

A pivotal moment discussed is the infamous Samantha kiss incident on Farmer Wants a Wife, where John refrained from engaging in a staged kiss despite apparent chemistry. This decision sparked widespread attention and debate among viewers.

[14:56] John Sansone: "You get to do it on TV with producers there and cameras watching you. Then you're led to believe that, like, this is a good moment and bam, you get hit with the curveball."

John reflects on the emotional and professional impact of this moment, recognizing its significance for the show's dynamics and his personal experience. He advocates for personal comfort and integrity over conforming to production pressures.

Insights on Farming and Family Legacy

John provides an in-depth look into his family's farming legacy, detailing the operations spanning five generations and the 170-acre farm in New Hamburg, Missouri. He discusses the division of labor on the farm, the role of agricultural professionals, and the global impact of farming practices.

[31:16] Host: "A little piece of corn on my grandfather's property could end up, you know, in a completely different part of the world."

He acknowledges his limited hands-on experience with farming but expresses a strong desire to deepen his involvement in the future.

Future Plans and Career Aspirations

Looking ahead, John outlines his ambitions to blend his legal studies with his burgeoning media presence. He considers adjusting his law school schedule to accommodate his growing social media and content creation efforts.

[20:23] John Sansone: "In a perfect world, you're never working on that farm again and you're not an attorney. Is that the perfect world?"

John remains committed to completing his law degree while exploring the potential of building a sustainable career in media and influencing.

Listener Questions and Answers

Throughout the episode, listener-submitted questions delve into topics such as:

• John's stance on prenuptial agreements.
• The logistics of maintaining a relationship across different cities.
• Personal anecdotes about meeting each other's families.
• Advice on monetizing social media effectively.

John's responses provide valuable insights into balancing personal values, professional aspirations, and public life.

Trading Secrets: Lessons Shared

In the concluding segment, both John and the host share their "Trading Secrets"—personal philosophies and actionable advice gleaned from their experiences.

[46:03] Host: "If you consider those [faith, gut, morality] in the decisions that you make, it's all gonna work out."

[47:01] John Sansone: "You're so authentically yourself... You encourage others to open up."

These reflections emphasize the importance of authenticity, strong foundational values, and effective communication in personal and professional success.

Conclusion

Episode 236 of Trading Secrets offers a comprehensive look into John Sansone's multifaceted life as a reality TV star, law student, and heir to a farming legacy. The dialogue provides listeners with an authentic portrayal of navigating love, career opportunities, and personal growth under the spotlight of public attention.

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Notable Quotes:

• John Sansone on Joining Reality TV:

  [02:04] "What came first is, you know, it's an insane opportunity to do something new, to walk on this new frontier and possibly make something out of it."

• Host on Communication in Relationships:

  [44:44] "Communication is absolutely everything... we constantly communicate and tell each other how we're feeling about certain things, and that's how we get through it."

• John Sansone on Authenticity:

  [47:01] "You're so authentically yourself... You encourage others to open up."

• John Sansone on Reality TV Challenges:

  [14:26] "Nothing in my brain or filter that goes through any type of, like, thinking of, like, how do I answer this?"

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Transcript

[John Sansone]

Foreign. Welcome back to another episode of Trading Secrets. Today's guest is a fan favorite from season three of Farmer Wants a Wife, the one and only John Sansone. Jon isn't just the guy who brought heart, honesty, and a little southern charm to the show. He's also part of a proud legacy helping run his. His family's fifth generational farm, a place that's been in his family for decades. On top of that, he is also currently a graduate law student looking to dip his toes in the world of law and order. From early mornings in the fields to late night fireside chats on national television, John gave us a glimpse into what it means to balance love land and legacy. We're going to talk about his journey to love life after the cameras stopped rolling and what it's really like to share your heart and your family's farm with America. All the inside scoop and Trading Secrets. John, thank you so much for being on Trading Secrets.

[Host]

Thanks for having me. I mean, what an incredible intro, G. Out of a pamphlet. You just.

[John Sansone]

Straight out of a pamphlet. You deserve it. And first and foremost, I mean, I got to start off. Dude, congratulations. You and Claire.

[Host]

Thank you.

[John Sansone]

Let's go.

[Host]

Yeah. Pumped.

[John Sansone]

Did you. Did you ever expect to enter a show like this and then actually come out with, you know, someone that you care this deeply about?

[Host]

I mean, God, no. I. I can tell you from the start, I went into it with the secondary idea that I was actually going to walk out of it with somebody that I actually liked that that came second.

[John Sansone]

And then what came first?

[Host]

What came first is, you know, it's an insane opportunity to do something new, to walk on this new frontier and possibly make something out of it. And I was like, you know, if. If I happen to find a wife, great. If I don't. So what? You know, okay, so I walked out of it with Claire, and honestly, I like her a lot. I was very happy with the. The picks and just excited to see where we go from here.

[John Sansone]

I mean, is it. I always talk about this on the Bachelor. It's like the Bachelor bubble in hometowns. I said that I loved the girl who was the bachelorette. And I think in that moment, if you, like, put a gun to my head and you said, do you really love her? I'm like, yeah, I did. But then, like, you get out of the bubble, you're like, whoa, what was that like? You know, like your brain gets, like, a little bit, like, putting a different perspective in that world. You're. You're out that world now. You're with Claire. Do you love Claire? Like, are you in love with Claire?

[Host]

Well, you know, I'm not gonna get into all that, but I think, I think for now that stuff's gonna stay behind closed doors and her and I will, you know, discuss that and see if we need to. To each other. But yeah, you're right. It is like a bubble.

[John Sansone]

Yeah.

[Host]

You know, especially after filming. You know, you have, I think we had about six months of basically hiding our relationship.

[John Sansone]

Yeah.

[Host]

And it's tough because, you know, we can't see each other all the time. She lives in Chicago, I'm in St. Louis. And granted, it's close, but, you know, I was, I. I took a semester off for law school for the show. And then afterwards I had to go back to school, so I was doing that. She was working a lot of time where we just couldn't see each other.

[John Sansone]

So it's six months, like. So I love comparing kind of like different reality shows, especially with dating. You know, the Bachelor was pretty quick. Where they'll film for three months, not a month. You guys film for a month, right? A month. A month. And then they'll get it out usually like, usually within like two, three months. So then you have to do these things called happy couples weekend where like you private go into like a, like a sanctuary and have your time together and spend the weekends together or weeks. Do you like, how do you. How did you guys even see each other without being caught?

[Host]

Well, the nice thing was that production was able to fund a couple trips for us. Like, I went to Chicago a few times and we just, you know, hung out there and hung out in local areas and stuff where we weren't going to be seen a lot. And then one of the highlights of it is they actually gave us a full funded trip to Tulum. Sweet was nuts. Yeah. And I posted a TikTok while I was there and everything. And people like, who's. Who's filming that? That was a little bit of speculation. But yeah, I mean, the Tulum trip was bad ass.

[John Sansone]

That is awesome. Well, I will say in the six months, you have everyone fooled.

[Host]

Yeah.

[John Sansone]

Because you know, you know when I, when I told people that you're coming on, when I did, it had yet to be announced that you and Claire were together. And so people were like, I listen to the Christian Cavallari podcast. People are like, did they hook up? This is the most single, most eligible people were like, you know, will he be the next B Bachelor? Like all these things. So you, you did a good job Kind of like playing into this. Like, I'm a farmer, I'm single, I'm doing my thing. Yeah.

[Host]

I mean, that was the goal. They basically, that was the trade off. You know, they fund all these trips and then I got to put on a face.

[John Sansone]

You got to play the game.

[Host]

I played the game.

[John Sansone]

You played the game. One of the things you said is like, you didn't. Number two. And looking at this whole thing was like you'd actually come out with a significant other. Number one being opportunity before the show started. Like, when what. By the way, I want to put this out there. I don't think anybody today goes on reality TV any form of unscripted without opportunity being the first or second thing. Like, anyone who says otherwise is lying. But I do think that opportunity differs for everyone. So like, what was in your vision? What did opportunity look like when you're like, yeah, let's do farmer wants wife?

[Host]

Well, yeah, I mean, I've seen people go on reality TV and stuff and walk out of it with, you know, major long term brand deals or something like that. Or like, for instance, you started this podcast and all this stuff. So, you know, there were so many different avenues that somebody could take from it and let alone, it's just like it's, it's another thing to throw on the resume that gets people talking. Like, say, you know, I'm in law school, I want to go to a big firm or something. A lot of them are going to, obviously going to look at how well you did in school and what kind of legal experience. But then like a big factor of the hiring process is can they get along with you or there's something to talk about. So that's something.

[John Sansone]

Yeah, interesting. Were you not like worried about the impact that this get? Like as someone who's like a fifth generational farmer and we'll get into the farming business, everybody. But then also going to law school. Were you worried about what reality TV could possibly do to your actual professional career and trajectory for the negative?

[Host]

Yeah, 100%. It took me about a month of back and forth talking to people, going through it with my dad, praying about it to actually decide to go okay. There was a, it was basically just jumping off a cliff and not being able to see the bottom.

[John Sansone]

That's a good, that's a good comparison.

[Host]

Luckily it's all turned out well so far. Hopefully it stays that way, but it's only done good things for me and that was just a big risk we had to take in the beginning.

[John Sansone]

I love it all Right. We're gonna get into business. Before we do, I wanna talk about you and Claire a little bit. Let's just start with this. First impressions, Right. I mean, she made a big first impression with you. I think people have to make a big first impression in their professional life or in an interview or in their d. How big of a role did the first impression play in, like, the entirety of the journey with you?

[Host]

It's an odd story. Like, in full honesty, full disclosure, Claire didn't really make as big of an impression on me as it may seem now.

[John Sansone]

Interesting. Okay.

[Host]

Her and my relationship was a very slow burn, which is kind of cool because, you know, it was a very short, rushed process. But ours kind of slowly became that way, which is more natural. But, yeah, when I first met her and stuff, we do these things called OTFs after each date where we basically break down how it was to the camera.

[John Sansone]

Right.

[Host]

What I said was, yeah, I think the date was a little dull. I don't think there was much to it. It's like, you know, we laugh about it now. And obviously she was not upset because I obviously do really much like her now. Yeah. But she made me a scarf she knit. Yeah. She. She walked down with this scarf. I'm like, oh, boy, we're doing all this stuff.

[John Sansone]

Yeah.

[Host]

And then sat down and we just talked. And, you know, at the time, didn't think much of the conversation.

[John Sansone]

I think that's pretty wild how, like, especially as a single guy, I feel like in past relationships, it's like I go on the first date with that person and I'm like, yep, let's go. Yeah, this is going to be my next significant other.

[Host]

Yeah.

[John Sansone]

But for someone that, like a slow burn for my single people out there, like, come on, give me some insight. What was the slow burn? I'm not a slow burn guy.

[Host]

Yeah.

[John Sansone]

So, like, talk to me about, like, what am I missing here? Gives longer than you expect.

[Host]

Yeah. There's obviously, you have to have that initial attraction. Obviously. That's of course, I saw with Claire. I thought she was beautiful. But in terms of, like, the personality stuff, like, we go on this show, every girl in our group is attractive. So that's box is already checked. So the one thing I'm looking at is, like, personality. Can we get along all this stuff? So when that really. On the first date, she was very nervous, so that really wasn't there. She already had the attractiveness. So I was like, well, we'll just give it a shot because it's an interesting scenario. We're on a TV show. Let's just see how this plays out. And sure enough, played out to everybody's benefit, or at least mine.

[John Sansone]

Yeah, I love it. It's. It's awesome. Congratulations. You gotta love it. Now I want to get a little bit into this, like, whole love and career, like, track that everyone battles with that, you know, wrote a book about. But with Claire being in Chicago, you're in St. Louis. Like, what do next steps look like? What do those conversations look like?

[Host]

Yeah, I mean, the conversations are obviously tough because I've told her, you know, law school's tough on a relationship because, you know, majority of your time is focused on school. She seems to be doing very well in her work. You know, she's, I think, just got a recent promotion and stuff, so she's able to take the time off where she needs it. Just where I'm at in law school, I don't have that luxury.

[John Sansone]

Yeah.

[Host]

So we've had those serious conversations and stuff, and I think a real benefit for us is being only three and a half, four hours away.

[John Sansone]

It's easy.

[Host]

Yeah. So it's just a drive.

[John Sansone]

Okay. At this point, we know that she met your siblings. Have she met your parents yet?

[Host]

She has.

[John Sansone]

Nice. Have you met her parents?

[Host]

I have met her mom.

[John Sansone]

Okay.

[Host]

And her sister.

[John Sansone]

And how did the parents meeting go?

[Host]

It went well. We spent a couple hours together and her mom and sister were both asking me some pretty hard hitting questions and stuff like that. They asked me generally, what is the role of a woman in your life? Or something like that. And it took me a while to think because I was like, oh, boy, I better not insult these people. So I think my answer was like, you know, it's a. It's a missing link or something like that. And they seem to like that.

[John Sansone]

You nailed that.

[Host]

And they were like that. I was like, but you don't catch.

[John Sansone]

Me for a guy to get nervous.

[Host]

I. I mean, I do.

[John Sansone]

You do?

[Host]

Yeah, I just. I guess I just covered up. Well, I mean, that first episode, walking out there with all those girls staring at you, and you got to basically do a speech, you know, ad lib, right in front of them.

[John Sansone]

Yep.

[Host]

I was shaking in my boots.

[John Sansone]

I love it.

[Host]

It's terrible.

[John Sansone]

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[Host]

I do have a take.

[John Sansone]

Let's hear it.

[Host]

I'm Catholic. I was raised Catholic. I think matrimony and marriage is a very big sacrifice for people. I know there's a way to work problems out, no matter how bad or deep they may be. So I think a prenup is kind of like a way out. And I think that that's not. That defeats the entire purpose of like that union. Okay, so, all right. Not a fan of them.

[John Sansone]

I always like to hear different perspectives on it. So there's love meets money. And that's interesting take here from John Sansone. All right, let's get into so the show. They reach out to you via a dm. You're thinking an opportunity could come from this and opportunities have come from this. And we'll talk about that. But I'm always curious about the interview process. You know, with the Bachelor, it's like a wild, you know, bachelor. Bachelor had a whole different wild process. And then other different shows that I've casted for. It's always night and day. So like, what was the most obscure thing in the interview process?

[Host]

I don't know. Most of it seemed pretty uniform. I guess the weirdest thing I had to do was basically walk around my entire property. Cause the property's a big thing for them. And point things out. I mean, I was like holding a camera up like this, just walking around like, here's the so and so. Here's the so. We can do this and that. And then also the executives flew out to see the Farm stop. Yeah. So they had to fly out to actually view the farm. Cause obviously in my video is my house in St. Louis.

[John Sansone]

Yeah.

[Host]

So they flew out and we took a trip down to New Hamburg, Missouri, and they walked around the farm and got pictures and all this stuff.

[John Sansone]

Interesting. Did you have any crazy, like, interview questions or like curveballs that. That threw you?

[Host]

Some of the things that threw me when they were asking about, like, my preferences on women.

[John Sansone]

Yeah.

[Host]

It was basically Build a Wife, which was really weird.

[John Sansone]

I heard you say that.

[Host]

Kristen's podcast, and they were basically asking me like, you know, what's your preferences on weight, hair color, race, personality, all this stuff. And I was like, you kind of feel uncomfortable.

[John Sansone]

Yeah.

[Host]

Because you know, everybody's got these preferences, but yeah, just kind of keep them to yourself. So like actually voicing them, especially to a female casting.

[John Sansone]

Yeah, of course.

[Host]

It just seems a little uncomfortable for.

[John Sansone]

Whatever your build wife was. Do you think they casted? Because I always say when every time you talk to, like production, you're always thinking two things, like, one, this is going to work for me, or two, this is going to work against me. Did you feel like what you suggested is what came for your group?

[Host]

Very much so.

[John Sansone]

Okay.

[Host]

So I think they killed it.

[John Sansone]

Okay. They killed it. Okay. Speaking of your cast, I gotta at least bring it up. It went viral. Everybody's brought it up to you. I'm sure you're annoyed talking about it, but the whole Samantha kiss situation. Right. So you're. And I heard you talk a little bit on the podcast, but like, you had a pretty good feeling that, that the, the tension was there and like, there was some. There was definitely like some chemistry and maybe you're even like, let on a little bit to believe, like, okay, this is the time now. As someone, I want to defend you a little bit. Someone who's had to kiss on. On tv, especially the first couple times you do it, it's terrifying.

[Host]

Awful.

[John Sansone]

Right? I mean, you think about just going on a date.

[Host]

Yeah.

[John Sansone]

And you go on a date and you're vibing. Making the move towards the first kiss is always, you know, like, majority of the time you have a lot of confidence in doing it because you're not going to do it otherwise if there's not chemistry. But it's always like, you know, your heart's moving a little bit. Right. Then you got to do it on TV with producers there and cameras watching you. Then you're led to believe that, like, this is a good moment and bam, you get hit with the curveball. Upper hook. I'm not doing this.

[Host]

Knock my teeth.

[John Sansone]

So, like, looking back on it now, you know, you came out, you're in a happy relationship with Claire, but, like, just looking back on it, taking some time, letting it digest, like, what do you make of that situation? Give me your take on that.

[Host]

It was the best thing to happen for the show. Yeah, unfortunately, you know, it's tough for me. It was tough for me at the time. Now, I don't really give two damns about it, but, I mean, it's what every random, obscure, Instagram account, tick tock account, clipped and posted, and that's what people saw. That's what got people hooked. So if that's to my detriment, fine. You know, I took that risk going out on TV show, but all in all, I think it benefited the TV show in total and therefore benefited the cast.

[John Sansone]

Yeah, you handled it extremely well. I think it was a massive moment for the show, I think. Yeah, I think, yeah. You don't think on screen.

[Host]

Yeah.

[John Sansone]

Oh, off screen, you didn't. I mean, what would you have done different knowing what, you know, now center home immediately?

[Host]

Yeah, yeah, I think that would have been the best approach. No, but off screen, it was. It was a different reaction.

[John Sansone]

That's true.

[Host]

Yeah. I got a little irritated.

[John Sansone]

A little, yeah. Yeah, that's true. All right, well, my take. I'm gonna give you mine.

[Host]

Yeah, let's hear it.

[John Sansone]

My take is no one in the world, ever, especially when it comes to physical intimacy, should ever, ever do anything that they don't feel comfortable. Period. End of story. Put your foot down, stand strong, and do what you gotta do. But in this situation, what threw me is the explanation, because it felt as though, like the intention was that there was a desire for her to kiss you and the chemistry was there for her to kiss you. And what completely threw me was the context of why, like, if you're going on a reality TV dating show, how do you possibly expect to leave the show with a boyfriend, given age, experience, and life, without being at least open to a kiss? When physical chemistry is there, communication is there, all the things are moving. What was the expectation? Why even go? Why even go on the show?

[Host]

Well, I think just. You're exactly right. And that alone raised a lot. It just raised a plethora of questions about intentions, expectations, and goals for being on the show. And, you know, I told you from the beginning of this, my number one goal was, like, opportunities, sure. But I also.

[John Sansone]

I love that you're honest.

[Host]

I'll still take. I would Love to get a, a girlfriend out of this because it's a fun opportunity. It's not like I'm desperately needing a girlfriend, but where I kind of kept it, you know, bottled up. I kept those, those goals kind of to myself.

[John Sansone]

Yeah.

[Host]

Whereas I think with that situation, it may have revealed a little too much about her intentions.

[John Sansone]

Interesting. Okay, good stuff. Now we're gonna get into business and what is next for you? Before we do that, let just looking back at your entire season, like, what do you think has been, you know, you talked about a career and opportunity. You stepped into a profession. Reality tv, especially as a lead, is a profession. It's one that you stepped into. What was the biggest discrepancy from what expectation was in reality TV versus what it actually is?

[Host]

I think it was, yeah, this is a very easy answer. I think it was the amount of actual work and effort that goes into making something of it. Because a lot of people, I don't like past seasons and this season, a lot of people just expect for it to come to you. You know, just going on TV is enough, but you actually have to put forth a lot of effort and work and you. Basically, it's a full time job to actually make this worth your while.

[John Sansone]

Well, as a full time job, are you compensated to be on the show?

[Host]

Yeah, initially.

[John Sansone]

Okay.

[Host]

Yeah.

[John Sansone]

Care to share?

[Host]

I can't.

[John Sansone]

You can't share?

[Host]

That's.

[John Sansone]

That's okay.

[Host]

That's very much.

[John Sansone]

Let me, let me, let me just do this though. I'm gonna say it's less than 50 grand. Yeah. Okay. That's all. I'm gonna stop there. That's it. Okay, we'll stop there. You don't know. Could be, could not be. But the upside I think is gonna be, I think it's gonna be good for you. You're big on. I mean, it feels like every time I go on Tick Tock, you're trending on Tick Tock. You're kicking ass on Instagram professionally now, seeing what you've seen. You've been going, you've walked a couple red carpets now, you know, you're starting to become a reality TV star and content creator. What. What do you think it looks like now?

[Host]

Well, I'm out of my comfort zone, I'll tell you that. I'm. This is insane to me still.

[John Sansone]

What is that? Where are you out of your comfort zone?

[Host]

Walking red carpets. I mean, I'm brushing shoulders with Alan Jackson and Sza and I'm talking to Benson Boone and stuff. I'm like, that's cool. When in a million years would I expect to be doing something like this?

[John Sansone]

Yeah. So, like, when you get a taste of that, do you, like, is your initial reaction like, I want more of this, I'm gonna stay in the game, or are you still thinking, I want to go back to law school and possibly the farmer route?

[Host]

No. Hell no. The more that comes, the more drive.

[John Sansone]

It fuels to keep doing this.

[Host]

Yeah. Yeah. So it's fun.

[John Sansone]

Yeah.

[Host]

And it's extremely profitable if you can actually harness it.

[John Sansone]

In a perfect world, you're never working on that farm again and you're not an attorney. Is that the perfect world?

[Host]

Perfect world is I still get my law degree. That's okay.

[John Sansone]

So you want to.

[Host]

Not quitting law school is out of the question.

[John Sansone]

Okay.

[Host]

In too much time and effort.

[John Sansone]

How are you two L three L. Where you at?

[Host]

I'm like two and a half or I'm like one and a half L. Okay.

[John Sansone]

So about half.

[Host]

26 is when I graduate.

[John Sansone]

Okay. Would you ever go from full time law school to part time law school so you could focus on this track?

[Host]

Yeah.

[John Sansone]

Is that what you think you're going to do?

[Host]

Depends on how well I do in the next few months.

[John Sansone]

Okay.

[Host]

Yeah. But it's definitely a possibility. Although some of the a lot of things that people tell me, especially at Washu, is that like 2L year and 3L years more tough, easy.

[John Sansone]

Oh, really?

[Host]

Yeah. I think 1L years the toughest because.

[John Sansone]

Interesting.

[Host]

You got all these doctrinal courses and it's brand new to you, but you have more control over what you take. 2L and 3L.

[John Sansone]

Okay.

[Host]

So I might be able to get by, but yeah, it's like full steam ahead at this point.

[John Sansone]

Okay. All right, Full steam ahead. How have you been able to monetize yet off your social media?

[Host]

I've definitely been approached by brands and then, you know, just. I don't know about you, but, like, this is all new to me. So when I see like brand deals coming in and stuff like that, it takes a lot longer than I expected to actually get to a point where you're making a deal. Yeah, it's like, it's the initial invitation and it's like, okay, well, let me connect you.

[John Sansone]

Are you negotiating your own deals right now?

[Host]

I have a guy helping me a little bit, but for the most part, yes.

[John Sansone]

Yeah, yeah, you. That's crazy.

[Host]

Well, I'm in law school. I might as well use it.

[John Sansone]

Yeah, I know, but you need separate. Like, I own an agency and I still don't Negotiate my own deals because you need a separation of talent and like church and state, like talent and actual person that's negotiating because they're putting you on a pedestal and they want to pay you. And the smallest conversations, like, you know, in legal, like and, or, or, but, or, or it's like you can't be the guy doing that. You have to have someone doing that. And usually the value that person serves and being kind of hard nosed to get you what you need and what you want ends up paying for itself within the negotiation process. But I do agree with you. Like when you're getting a brand deal, if a brand reaches out to you today, there are so many phases that happen before you actually get paid. Right. So you got to negotiate the deal, then it's the creating brief, then it's the execution of the deal. And now some of the Companies are putting 30, 60, 90 day payment terms on there. So you might not get your first check for another 120. 100. 150. 180 days.

[Host]

Yeah. That was the one thing I saw in like one of the contracts I was presented to me and immediately redlined that I said, that's not going to work.

[John Sansone]

Yeah.

[Host]

You can't just pay me 95 days.

[John Sansone]

Oh, that's crazy. I don't do 90 days. Yeah, I would say 60 days max.

[Host]

Yeah.

[John Sansone]

Absolute 30. And you could also do like payments upfront too. So 50% on signing, etc. Etc.

[Host]

Yeah.

[John Sansone]

So think about this though. Like, so have you, have you been able to make like as of now, have you been able to do deals? Like, are you doing deals right now?

[Host]

Very few.

[John Sansone]

Okay.

[Host]

Very few. And not enough to really call it a profit.

[John Sansone]

Give me, give me a rough around of how much you've done in deals.

[Host]

You're going to laugh. Okay, about 3200.

[John Sansone]

Okay, we got it. We got, we got to talk. Okay. We'll get, especially when the iron's hot. Yeah, strike here. Exactly. All right. And then when you.

[Host]

I honestly, I gotta just say this because I gotta stay humble as much as I can. But I, it's my fault, quite frankly. Like, I'm not going to say who, but a brand approached me.

[John Sansone]

Yep.

[Host]

And I was like, oh, this is insane. I can't believe this brand's reaching out to me. So I went on ChatGPT and I'm like, here's my followers, here's my engagement. How much do you think I should charge? And they said 1700. I was like, that's a lot of money.

[John Sansone]

Interesting.

[Host]

So I charge that and then I found out later on I could have been charging 18, 20k.

[John Sansone]

Yeah, I think you missed a zero because the two factors chat can't get is they can't get your relevancy, they can't get PR power, they can't get community, they can't get your ability to trend, which is hot right now. Connection to a live show, all those things, media power, all that stuff, you know what you're going to get there. I'm here to help if you ever need it. I recently had a buddy's wedding and they had a photo booth and I'm not kidding, there was literally a line all night outside this photo booth. Everyone loved it. Now what is one thing you see at every wedding or major event that you didn't see 10 years ago? It's a photo booth. Yes. Like literally they are everywhere and people are always in line for them. Turns out owning a photo booth business is actually one of the fastest growing ways to make great money. And photo booth supply company makes it so easy. Even if you've never owned a business before. Weddings, parties, corporate events, photo booths are a must have for every party. And with photo booth supply company you get the hottest photo booths step by step guides and expert one on one coaching to help you get it up and running fast. And get this photo booth supply company top earners make over six figures a year. Whether you're looking for a side hustle or ready to build a full time business, now it's the time to start. Summer is the busiest season for a limited time. Photo booth supply company will give you their quick start program for free. Loaded with all the resources you need to launch your business and make money this season. Curious how much you can make by running your own photo booth business? Check out the free Profit Calculator at startphotobooth.com Secrets that's startphotobooth.com Secrets startphotobooth.com Secrets let's talk about this man. Everyone wants to know like is this guy a farmer or what? So I have a million farmer questions here on soy, corn, wheat farming. I know the family. It says 170 acres, fifth generation, like can we get into the weeds on futures and all this stuff with farming. What's your expertise in the farming space?

[Host]

Yeah, I mean I'll just give it to you straight up and which is exactly what I did with the executives over at Fox and this is exactly what I did on the first episode. I'm about as I'm, I'm enough of A farmer for them to cast me on the show. But in reality, my grandfather is still living on our family farm that's been our family for five generations. His great grandfather came over from Germany, settled in this area called New Hamburg, Missouri. There's a lot of German immigrants, and they have 170 acres of row crops. Corn, wheat, soybean. And they've been farming it for that long. We go out there on all the time. My mom was raised on that farm, so she has it in her blood a little more than I do. And we go out there and help as much as we can. But in terms of, like, actually jumping into a tractor and going up and down these fields and harvesting and planting and spraying stuff, I don't do any of that.

[John Sansone]

Interesting yet. Okay.

[Host]

I'm very much would like to down the line. I'm very much opening to learning. But if people come up to me and start asking me about, like, the. The, you know, chemical makeup of a soybean or something like that, I'm like, I have no idea, guys.

[John Sansone]

No idea about that. Do you. Do you naturally find an interest in it?

[Host]

100.

[John Sansone]

Okay.

[Host]

Yeah. That's like. The farm was my happy place. I loved going down there, and I love spending as much time as I can down there. And, you know, like, that type of work, that physical labor, that dealing with the land, I feel like, is very fulfilling.

[John Sansone]

Yeah.

[Host]

And I've seen how happy it's made my grandfather and how happy it's made my mom's side of the family, and I'd like to be a part of that.

[John Sansone]

Is there anyone. So obviously your grandfather still lives on the farm. Is there anyone from your mother's side of the family that's very much involved.

[Host]

Or did they all be her? So my mom comes from four girls, one boy.

[John Sansone]

Okay.

[Host]

The boy still lives on the farm on a separate house.

[John Sansone]

Interesting.

[Host]

Two houses on the farm. My grandparents and then his and his wife and children.

[John Sansone]

Okay.

[Host]

So the farm will go to him. He'll admit it.

[John Sansone]

Okay.

[Host]

He'll end it, because that's my grandfather's son. But that doesn't mean that I'm gonna have mine down the line.

[John Sansone]

Okay.

[Host]

Not my. Not this one, but maybe a separate one close by or in a different state. But I really do want to live that lifestyle down the line.

[John Sansone]

Okay. When you think about, like, just obviously you've seen your family's financial success, or at least your aunts and uncle, and then you see your grandfather's success, if you had to guess, like, either within the family or not like what, how. I just have no. How much farmers make. Like, do farmers make a good living? Do they make an insane living? Do they make a slit? Like what? Like how would you generalize that with what you do know?

[Host]

I think just based on seeing people and how they live and like hearing, you know, like the guy. Other guys on the show are legitimate hands on farmers, so I hear from them too. I think farmers today are just getting by.

[John Sansone]

Really?

[Host]

Yeah, yeah. My grandfather is doing very well because he had a career in banking, so he was like providing loans to the people in the area and stuff and. Cool story. Actually, we were at one of these events and my grandfather's in a wheelchair now and this younger gentleman came up and was like shaking his hand saying, you know, good to meet, good to see you again, Larry and all this stuff. It's like really appreciative of what you did. Apparently my grandfather had given a shot to this guy while he was banking and given him a loan.

[John Sansone]

Oh, wow.

[Host]

Ended up buying some land and becoming very successful. But. But by no means should he have given him that based on his portfolio at the time.

[John Sansone]

So that's really cool about your grandfather's story, but your grandfather actually wasn't the farmer. Did he have a partner who was the farmer farmer.

[Host]

So he had a major hand in how it was run. But his buddy down there, Randy, is the one who basically has this conglomerate over all the properties in the area. He'll bring his equipment down because that stuff's expensive.

[John Sansone]

Yeah.

[Host]

So he has it and he harvests and he brings, you know, the stuff to the grain bins and all that type of stuff.

[John Sansone]

Yeah. Crazy. The farmer life, man, it's different.

[Host]

Very different.

[John Sansone]

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[Host]

I guess one of the things that I asked my grandfather about recently because I was, I never really thought about it, but I was like, where does all this stuff go once it's harvested? And it goes to these things called grain elevators in the area where like all the farms in the area bring their grain and they basically weigh it and pay them there. And then it goes to these barges on the Mississippi river and goes down to Biloxi, Mississippi and then gets on shipping containers and stuff like that and goes all over.

[John Sansone]

Interesting.

[Host]

So a little, you know, piece of corn on my grandfather's property could end up, up, you know, in a completely different part of the world. That's really neat.

[John Sansone]

That is wild.

[Host]

Yeah.

[John Sansone]

All right. For all my farm experts out there, we're gonna come back, we're gonna get. You're gonna have to. Here's the thing though, because you're not a farm expert, you're gonna be in charge of getting me a farm expert on this podcast.

[Host]

Done.

[John Sansone]

We got a deal.

[Host]

I got you one.

[John Sansone]

All right, we got you already. All right. You already got me one. All right. Then another thing I got to ask you about life after the show, farming, not in your, not in your close future, maybe down the road, influencing, creating whatever opportunities come from this that's obviously on the forefront. Reality tv. Would you go into reality TV again if you were asked and if so, like, what would be your dream show to go on?

[Host]

Well, I can. Dream show is Alone. You ever seen that one on History Channel?

[John Sansone]

Oh, yeah. Oh, Alone's crazy.

[Host]

Crazy.

[John Sansone]

Wait, you could do that?

[Host]

I like to think that I can.

[John Sansone]

Okay. For anyone that doesn't know Alone, I used to binge this show all the time.

[Host]

It's a binge worthy show.

[John Sansone]

Get like the most, like some of the smartest people in the world and you'd have to Survive out in the wilderness. But, like, legit. Like, you're giving nothing. Next to nothing.

[Host]

Yeah.

[John Sansone]

You hunt everything. You build your own homes. You have to mentally stick with it. And some of these people go, like, 120, 150, 180 days. Do you have that in you? Like, can you build homes?

[Host]

I like to think that I can.

[John Sansone]

And all this stuff.

[Host]

I love hunting.

[John Sansone]

Yeah.

[Host]

I grew up loving man versus wild.

[John Sansone]

Yeah.

[Host]

That was my thing. So I was always out there building forts, trying to camp out with nothing. You know, making fires from scratch, cooking eggs over, you know, couple branches that were on fire. And I like to think that I can.

[John Sansone]

Okay.

[Host]

You know, but that's. We'll see. I mean.

[John Sansone]

Okay, that show is.

[Host]

I mean, you talking about a survival show? That is the survival show.

[John Sansone]

It is.

[Host]

They give you a big thing of cameras. Here's some batteries, here's some cameras. You guys stay as long as you can. You outlast the other people, but you don't know when the others go away.

[John Sansone]

You're an extreme dude. Like, why not Survivor? Why not like Big Brother?

[Host]

I mean, I would do Survivor.

[John Sansone]

You want to go right for the Weeds?

[Host]

I would do Survivor. Yeah, definitely.

[John Sansone]

Have you been approached to do another.

[Host]

Show before this one? Yeah.

[John Sansone]

Okay.

[Host]

But not since.

[John Sansone]

Yeah, yeah. What shows were you approached before this one?

[Host]

Big Brother.

[John Sansone]

Okay.

[Host]

Summer House.

[John Sansone]

You were approached to do Summer House?

[Host]

Yeah.

[John Sansone]

What the hell?

[Host]

It was.

[John Sansone]

How did they find you?

[Host]

Instagram.

[John Sansone]

No way.

[Host]

Yeah.

[John Sansone]

And you said no?

[Host]

Yeah, I said no.

[John Sansone]

Why?

[Host]

Because reality TV, to me @ the time, I don't want to subject myself to, like, scrutiny, to the point that reality TV stars get a lot of. So when this show came along, Farmer Wants a Wife, My family had already been watching the first two seasons, and we're like, you know, of all the reality TV shows, we think this is the safest bet in terms of your concerns. So that makes sense because, you know, they haven't. They don't have an interest in making the farmers look bad. That's what I was worried about.

[John Sansone]

Gotcha. Have you ever watched Summer House? No, not. Do you know any of the characters on or cast on Summer?

[Host]

I think. Yeah. You had one of the. Yeah, yeah.

[John Sansone]

Kyle Cook's been on a bunch of. Jesse Solomon's been on. Yeah, Wes has been on.

[Host]

I know Wes through my cousin Stefan.

[John Sansone]

Oh, okay.

[Host]

Yeah, yeah. And I actually talked to him about this whole thing because, you know, he'd been through the reality stage before, so. I know Wes, but I've never really seen the show. I don't know what it's about.

[John Sansone]

Interesting. Yeah, I think you'd be great on that show. Put a farmer in the middle of the Hamptons. Unbelievable. TV sounds great. What about. Why'd you say no to Big Brother?

[Host]

I didn't know what it was.

[John Sansone]

Okay.

[Host]

Yeah.

[John Sansone]

It's just, like. It's not fit.

[Host]

Yeah.

[John Sansone]

Yeah.

[Host]

Making it afraid. Also approached me. You can imagine why.

[John Sansone]

Yeah, that's. That seems like an easy no. So you've been on the. You've been on the. They've been looking. Reality TV's been looking at you for a while now. And here you go. You found your shot.

[Host]

Found my shot.

[John Sansone]

What has been the craziest thing from, like, your community or just like that you've seen from the people? Like, how has your life changed, essentially, is what I'm. I'm curious. How has it actually changed?

[Host]

Luckily, at home, it hasn't changed at all.

[John Sansone]

At all.

[Host]

The people in St. Louis, I think, are the ones who are giving me the most blowback and the most scrutiny, which is kind of funny because, like, I literally see you in the schnooks or something.

[John Sansone]

Yeah.

[Host]

You're gonna say that to me?

[John Sansone]

Wait, what's the schnooks?

[Host]

It's like a grocery store. Like, I don't know. Does Nashville have. What's their grocery store? So St. Louis.

[John Sansone]

Okay.

[Host]

Yeah, but it's like, I'll see you on the street.

[John Sansone]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host]

But anyways, I digress.

[John Sansone]

Do farmers, like. I don't know about farmers. Like, do you guys throw down like that, that, like, if a farmer. Is that how you guys settle things?

[Host]

I mean, I don't know.

[John Sansone]

The farm would just drive. Actually, you're not a farmer. You're right.

[Host]

But, I mean, are you ever.

[John Sansone]

Is there any part of you that's a farmer?

[Host]

It's in my blood.

[John Sansone]

It's in your blood.

[Host]

It's in my blood.

[John Sansone]

All right.

[Host]

My mother was born and raised on that farm and only, you know, left when she got married to my dad.

[John Sansone]

Okay.

[Host]

So how many.

[John Sansone]

How many hours in your life have you spent on the farm?

[Host]

On that farm? I can't. I'm not. Ours is too small. We're trying to, but I'd say a couple years.

[John Sansone]

Oh, okay.

[Host]

We spent a lot.

[John Sansone]

You got some blood?

[Host]

26. I've been out there all the time.

[John Sansone]

Okay, gotcha. Have you. Like is another. I'm just going off the cuff here. As far as facial hair goes. Have you always done the. The mustache?

[Host]

No.

[John Sansone]

Oh, this is new.

[Host]

Yeah, it's fairly new.

[John Sansone]

You think you'll get rid of it.

[Host]

I can't now. Oh, it's your brand you're stuck on there.

[John Sansone]

Had things glued.

[Host]

I'd like to. Yeah, because it's really a pain in the ass. But. But no, I think it's gonna stick around.

[John Sansone]

I love it. Okay, talk to me about, like, what is the Drew? So I know you want to make some money, you wanna, you wanna move in this direction, but a lot of people that listen to these shows are often curious how people are gonna navigate it. And they love to see, like, kind of like we've had a lot of people come on, like a year from now, two years from now, three years from now, like in a year from now, like, what, what are products you want to do? What are things you, you really want to pursue? Like, what does it look like?

[Host]

Well, that's the thing that I, I, you know, am trying to look at, look for right now is, you know, I don't know how to navigate this industry very well. So I'm trying to talk to people that do so that they can give me an idea of what my potential is, what I should be pursuing. But on a small scale level, I can't really speak for like a year from now, but on a small scale level, I definitely plan on starting a YouTube channel.

[John Sansone]

Okay, cool.

[Host]

Where, you know, I get a lot of comments about my voice and stuff. I'll probably do like, you know, read bedtime stories or some stupid stuff like that to a microphone and like, like, you know, if brands want to sponsor it, I can like put like a stack of Oreos on a table next to me while I'm reading a book or something like that. I just. That was one of the ideas I pitched and, you know, the people I've spoken to loved it. So we'll see. I'll probably go with that.

[John Sansone]

I think. Call me crazy. I think you're going to continue to be on TV because I think you make good tv.

[Host]

I mean, I would be opposed, but.

[John Sansone]

You also make good TikToks when you come up with these tick tocks. Are they all your ideas?

[Host]

Yeah, for the most part. Part at the beginning, a couple of them were from my sisters and Claire also helped me with a few. But yeah, for the most part, I got to spend a lot of time scrolling.

[John Sansone]

Yeah.

[Host]

Which is tough on law school.

[John Sansone]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host]

To like, think of an idea.

[John Sansone]

Are you, like this moment right now, you and Claire, you're together, you got all your social media. Are you currently in class?

[Host]

No, today I'm on summer Break.

[John Sansone]

Okay.

[Host]

Yeah.

[John Sansone]

So, and so you start back when in September.

[Host]

August.

[John Sansone]

August. And then it's like one of your goals then to by August, kind of have to kick classes because you're so busy with all this stuff.

[Host]

Ideally I haven't really picked out my classes for next semester yet, but I'm going to with the idea that I'm gonna be very busy. So I'll probably make it like really spread out.

[John Sansone]

Okay. Okay.

[Host]

That's the luxury of being a 2L and 3L.

[John Sansone]

That's the luxury. All right, well, I do have some questions from the money mafia. I am going to just rattle them off here. So someone. I'm surprised they said this. I don't know, they must not watch the show. But they said, are you a man of faith?

[Host]

Yes.

[John Sansone]

You're very, you're very vocal about that. Exactly. All right, so this question. When does he plan on moving out of his parents place?

[Host]

As soon as I get some traction on this.

[John Sansone]

Okay.

[Host]

Yeah.

[John Sansone]

So build up a couple bucks and then you'll be. Then you'll be there.

[Host]

Yeah.

[John Sansone]

Do you have, as far as. If I give you one year from now, you're on this podcast in one year.

[Host]

Year.

[John Sansone]

How much money do you want to make off social media or how much do you think you can make? 1 year.

[Host]

How much do I want to make over, you know, six. Six figures. Okay, how much do I think I could make? Probably that, but like a little. Maybe 70.

[John Sansone]

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[Host]

Yeah. Yeah.

[John Sansone]

Do you worry at all about the fallout?

[Host]

Not really, no. Because I guess when are you talking about in terms of like, just like.

[John Sansone]

The fall, like you're in the wave of like the. The amazing high. Just like what. The negativity that could come with this, the. The change, all that?

[Host]

Yeah, a little bit, yeah. But I'm trying to take every step that I can now to mitigate that as much as possible. Like, I know this thing's gonna burn out, it just is. But I'm trying to make the most of it now so that it doesn't.

[John Sansone]

Do you want kids?

[Host]

100.

[John Sansone]

How many? And what age do you think you'll be married by with kids? If you had to guess?

[Host]

Everybody hates that. Well, girls hate that. I say this, but. But six. I want six.

[John Sansone]

Six.

[Host]

Yeah. Well, I'm from a family. I come from six.

[John Sansone]

Wow.

[Host]

Yeah, so I loved having a big family, you know, they were my posy.

[John Sansone]

Yeah.

[Host]

So unbelievable. Built in, best friends.

[John Sansone]

All right, this is a tough one. This is from Fan. How bad does he regret fumbling? Shan.

[Host]

Shan?

[John Sansone]

That's what I said. Cuz. I don't think she had a Shan. Okay, edit that out. John. That money. That Money Mafia does. Does not. Oh my God.

[Host]

Jesus.

[John Sansone]

I wonder if they confused you. Gurney Shannon Ford. You gotta be kidding me.

[Host]

Oh my God.

[John Sansone]

This is officially a moment. And this is officially a moment, John. For farmer's wife. I love that they thought that you were. You guys do look alike. You got farming here.

[Host]

You got farming you got the blue eyes.

[John Sansone]

If you do the stash, you do have blue eyes. And you got a country. Yeah. You worked on this farm. The request yesterday for the show. Wait, what?

[Host]

Casting director just hit me up about.

[John Sansone]

Being on the next. John, we got breaking news everywhere. John Gurney is getting casted to be on this show. Oh, my God. I will. John. We'll do a whole podcast on farmers while he's on Farmer.

[Host]

And then you're a farmer.

[John Sansone]

He is. All right, we already got your thoughts on a prenup. The day to day of the business. We got that. It's a random one. What's your favorite ice cream flavor from the money mafia?

[Host]

Pralines and cream.

[John Sansone]

Okay.

[Host]

Yeah.

[John Sansone]

This person asked, what is your favorite tractor brand?

[Host]

Yeah. Having fun with me there? Holland.

[John Sansone]

Holland. Yeah. Okay.

[Host]

New Holland.

[John Sansone]

All right. That's pretty good. Then this person said, no question. I just want him to come over for family dinner and hang out. Well, that is nice.

[Host]

Send me the address.

[John Sansone]

There you go. They should do, like. Do you guys remember that one dating show? It was Joe Millionaire, and you had to figure out if the guy was just an average Joe or he was a millionaire. They should do a show like Farmers. Like, are they actually a farmer or not? You gotta figure it out.

[Host]

Yeah. I think they saw through me pretty quick.

[John Sansone]

They saw through you pretty quick. When you think about just. I want to. I want to wrap with some of the stuff with. With you and Claire. When you think about just like, learning lessons as you're going through a new dating experience, what do you got for us? Trading secrets?

[Host]

Communication. I mean, it's. Everybody says it, but communication is absolutely everything, especially us. We're navigating this very new frontier. We don't know what we're being faced with. We're basically. There's the entertainment, what people see, and then there's what me and Claire have.

[John Sansone]

Yeah.

[Host]

And, you know, they don't see everything. So we're.

[John Sansone]

And I like that you're keeping things. Some things private. Like I said, do you love her? And you're like, that's between us.

[Host]

Between.

[John Sansone]

Yeah, I like that.

[Host]

And, you know, it's tough for her to navigate. It's tough for me to navigate. But we're.

[John Sansone]

We.

[Host]

We constantly communicate and tell each other how we're feeling about certain things, and that's how we get through it.

[John Sansone]

Does she want to be in this space as far as, like, the entertainment space?

[Host]

Yeah. Luckily that. That's another reason why I, you know, pick Claire, too, is because her and I seem to just have the same mindset going in. And then ultimately, at the end, we actually ended up liking each other, so it just kind of all worked out perfectly.

[John Sansone]

Maybe you two will have a podcast together.

[Host]

We'll see. Wow. First guest.

[John Sansone]

All right, first guest. I would love to do it. So has the farmer met his wife?

[Host]

We'll see.

[John Sansone]

We'll see, we'll see. All right. I love it. Well, we gotta wrap with the Trading Secret. So it's something that's unique to your very unique experience. Okay. It's. It could be anything. It'd be a life motto. It could be a financial training secret. Life training secret. Professional training secret. Just something that is unique to John Sansone's interesting journey, especially the last year. What can you leave us with?

[Host]

Yeah, I thought about this when I listened to the episode on the way here, but I think I would say is my whole philosophy on, like, going through stuff like this and big changes in your life and risks and stuff like that is as long as you, like, trust in whether it be your faith, your gut, or just being moral.

[John Sansone]

Yeah.

[Host]

If you consider those. In the decisions that you make, it's all gonna work out. And it kind of gives you this sense of comfort in mistakes. It gives you this sense of comfort in failure. It's like. Like it's going to work out. Just let it play out. But you have to be able to make the right calls.

[John Sansone]

Yeah, that's so true. Because I feel like when it doesn't work out, it's. It's hard to think about letting it play out because you're just. It's like, what the hell? You know, this isn't. But exactly what you said. When your foundation strong, when you know yourself better than anyone, you know, your intention, your character, your integrity, you know, eventually and however it. It should will always play out the way it should. I agree with that.

[Host]

Yeah.

[John Sansone]

I think my. I always like to say, like, what is my trading secret? I think my trading secret from you, John, is just like, you're so authentically yourself that you just, like. Just like, listen, this is who I am. This is what it is. This is the truth. I feel like when I ask you a question, there's not, like, anything in your brain or filter that goes through any type of, like, thinking of, like, how do I answer this? You're just. This is the answer. This is exactly who I am. This is what I feel. You know, that's not where I am now, but this is where I want to be. She. She wants to be in this career that's actually what I liked about it. Our first impression wasn't great, but we slow burned. And when you do that, so many people could connect to you, you know what I mean? Because you're expressing things that maybe some people don't feel comfortable saying because they're afraid of being judged or mislabeled or whatever, but actually when you do that, you encourage others to open up. So that's my trade secret.

[Host]

Good. Yeah, exactly. And just. Just one more comment on. That's exactly what people see in shows and on social media. Yeah. You can be. You can have everything that everybody wants, but if it's not you, they're gonna see right through it. I don't know how. I don't know how they do it, but people see it.

[John Sansone]

The eye is sharp these days. Like, to your point about this trading secret, if they don't see it now, they're gonna see it.

[Host]

They're gonna see it.

[John Sansone]

They're gonna see it. That is for sure. All right, man. When you hit 100k plus in social media, you're coming back here. The YouTube video with Oreos doing ASMR. Whatever the hell you're doing, you're coming back to tell that story in a year from now. Congrats on you and Claire. Where can everyone find everything you have going on?

[Host]

Not John SanSone is the two socials and then the YouTube channel. We're still thinking of a name.

[John Sansone]

Okay. I love that in a year from now, we're have a laundry list when I ask that question. Farmer John, thank you so much for entering secrets.

[Host]

Thank you.

[John Sansone]

Ding, ding, ding. We are closing the bell to the Farmer wants a wife with Farmer John episode. The finale just aired last week. This was a timely episode. A whole different curveball from our episode last week, as we know, with the Navy SEAL who took down Bin Laden. So a whole different curveball. And that's the beauty of trading secrets. David Arduin, curious Canadian, you're with me. What do you think? And what'd you think of the episode?

[C]

I mean, that's. This is the podcast in the nutshell. One week we're dodging bullets, the next week we're dodging kisses. On far on. On. Who wants to. Who wants to marry a farmer? And that's what I love.

[John Sansone]

Farmer wants a wife.

[C]

Yeah, sorry. Farmer wants a wife. I just. I. I'm a little stunned because when you were talking about that Samantha incident, I. I hadn't watched the show. And so this whole episode was new for me, like it probably is for some viewers. I I was, I had to immediately go on Instagram and find the clip they were talking about. And it was, it was interesting to say the least. And the comments were very 5050 on, on that whole incident as well, which we can get into a little later. But, but our boy John, I mean this guy is a reality TV plant in some sorts. He's got the voice, he's got the, he's got the looks, he's got the mustache brand. I think a lot of my, my takeaways are really going to be questions to you. I haven't really heard a guest really not make it yet in this space that we've had on. But really, really talk about how not being shy, very matter of fact about how they want to make it. He wants this, this new life to be his career. He wants to be in media and social media and influencing 49, 000 on tick tock. I think he's close to a hundred thousand or forty nine thousand on Instagram, close to 100,000 on tick tock. $3200 in deals so far. Do you think, as you the expert, do you think he has what it takes? Do you think he has a legitimate career in this media space? Coming off what he's coming off, off.

[John Sansone]

I'm gonna answer the question, but I gotta ask you a question back. You said reality TV plant. What exactly does that mean?

[C]

It just seems like he's like it's, he's too good. You know what I mean? Like this is, is this guy really a farmer? We're kind of finding out. Not really, but he's a goodlook guy. He's been, he's been asked to be on three or four different reality TV shows and Big Brother and, and Summer House. Like you tell me this guy next to Jesse Solomon, that's not like, like Wild TV, Wes Wilson, Kyle Cook, like Paige DeSorbo. So he just seems to fit the part so well. But he still sees in the reality of making career out of it. He's only dipped his toe in. So I'm asking you, can he. Do you see him? Would you buy stock in him?

[John Sansone]

I would buy stock in him. Okay. I think he, I think he has the work ethic for it. I think he clearly has the look for it it. And I think he has the personality type that's differentiated with a lack of care what other people think. Like there are sometimes in comments he gets shredded. He doesn't care there sometimes he's super loved and he's like, it doesn't bother him so he's very unfazed by public opinion and he kind of has the look and he does his thing. He doesn't care that he's like not the farmer, but he's on Farmer Wants Wife. Like, I think it was just a matter of time, obviously with all these, these different reality TV shows having interest in him of when he would pop and now he's starting to pop. And I do not think this is the last that we will see Farmer John on reality tv. That's my bet. I would buy stock at him.

[C]

So for you to buy stock on him, to see the stock perform, let's say, what does his next move have to be? Does he have to be on tv? Does he have to just get a little better on social and just keep, you know, chipping away and building a social platforms? What does he have to do for his stock to perform?

[John Sansone]

Well, I think he has to build and I think this goes for anyone that's listening to this is like he has to actually build what his brand is right now. He's funny and he was on Farmer Wants a Wife and he's known as Farmer John. Good looking guy. But I think he really has to like step into what is the brand. And to me, I think the brand could be comedy. Like he's funny as hell. Maybe it's stand up. Maybe like every skit he does is based on a comedy focus. But like, I think he needs to build the brand and I think we will see him on reality TV again.

[C]

Okay. Do you think I've never seen someone talk about, on a, on a dating reality TV show, talk about the person that they chose and pretty much have the most blunt, like vanilla comments about the person and then how they met before. But they seem really happy. They obviously have a lot in common. Do you foresee their relationship from what, you know, would you buy stock in that relationship?

[John Sansone]

I mean, that's a tough one because he didn't show many cards. Like he, you know, which I, this is the thing that I find very refreshing about him. Yeah. Is it's not like there's no like media training. There's no like sugar coating. He just tells you exactly how it is, the way it is and what it is. And so. But like I didn't, he didn't show me enough cards. It sounds like he's happy, but like he also kept me wanting to know more. Like I want to go watch their tik toks when they do them together. I want to try and read the situation because he kind of kept it, like, I kind of respect it. I was like, listen, I'm going to keep all that private. We're going to keep that private behind closed doors. But also, I think with that, you go on a, you know, reality TV dating show and you end up with someone. I respect the angle of privacy, but at the same token, like, I. I think people are going to have expectations that you share something about your relationship, given that your relationship blossomed on reality tv.

[C]

Which is why he's. He's so awesome, though, because he doesn't buy into that stuff. And he's almost the type of guy where I feel like the less he talks about something, it might actually have, like, that actually might mean something like. Oh, yeah. I don't think he wants to touch about that because it's really. It's like a really good and sacred thing to him. So he's not going to, like, use it as part of, like, his, like, you know, headlines on his media tours and things like that. So we'll see. I mean, we'll see. It sounds like it's tough sledding right now. Law School, St. Louis. He's, you know, she's in Chicago, so it sounds like it's a little bit tough sledding with that tulum trip. Sounded phenomenal.

[John Sansone]

Yeah. Do you now. Now his name, right, is John Sansom. Yeah. Do you know. Do you know anything about the Sansone family in St. Louis? His cousin.

[C]

Should I.

[John Sansone]

They are. Yeah, they are. I'm friends with some of the family, but, like, the family, like, once upon a time was on, like, either Oprah or like, some talk show because they've. They've had a lot of success with their businesses, and then they. Have you ever heard of the Normal brand? Yeah, the Sandstone family owns the Normal brand.

[C]

Okay.

[John Sansone]

But like, the. I believe the parent. I should know more. The parents have had a lot of success, success in the business space, but the family, they've had, like, I'm gonna get this wrong, and I hate it, but they've had, like, 10 kids.

[C]

Yeah.

[John Sansone]

Okay. So there's, like, 10 kids in this family. And they are all stunning, like, apps. Like, the guys are just absolute studs. The girls are absolutely beautiful. The parents are, like, gorgeous. And they were on, like, Oprah or, like, some talk shows, like the All American Family. And those are his. His cousins. And they, like, run St. Louis. They're, like. They're, like, very well known in St. Louis.

[C]

I gotta say something about that dude, because I don't think we've ever had a guest that Say they want six kids, but also still lives in their parents. In their parents place. Like, that's a little catch 22 for me. If you, if you really think you're ready for six kids, you might want to get your own place first there, Johnny boy.

[John Sansone]

Okay. All right. You're giving him advice now.

[C]

What's your. I just got off.

[John Sansone]

I was thrown by, I was thrown by, by the whole episode. I really liked him. I wanted to keep hanging out. We went to dinner after. He's great. I want to continue to be friends with him. Like, he's hilarious, but he's. He's like wildly intriguing. Like, I never knew it was coming next. Like, I didn't see six kids. Oh, I mean, I remembered. Okay. You're saying so. And like they have a lot. You know, the families are big and they're, they're just like. I mean they're like, they're, they're all specimens. So I'm like, I get it.

[C]

I'm also fresh off a plane about four hours ago with my kid from Orlando coming back home and I have one kid. And the thought of doing that with six kids, like, no. So when I hear. And I immediately get home and I listen to the podcast, back when we recap, that's gonna be fresh in my brain. Six kids taking up two rows on a plane. Then you're sitting behind them saying, what did I just do?

[John Sansone]

Six kids. He's the one. You know, we always talk about this, like, I can't wait to see what happens in two, three years. Like, I really, like, I'm so like, will he have, Will he be married with three kids, like, like doing a different show? What will it look like? I don't know. I will tell you. I came prepared for this interview with a ton of farmer questions. Cuz we've never had a farmer on. And now like of this episode, we had a farmer on.

[C]

Yeah, Stephen B. Basically the same. Basically there I was going to bring it up. Similar, similar. I mean, he was on the Joe Millionaire. He was a farmer. He has his own show now. McBee dynasty season two dropping soon. Actually on an electric show. And he's very dead. He's like the opposite of this guy. He knew what he wants. He's got crazy metrics. He did it. He's kind of capped out a little bit, which I thought he would be a little bit bigger. That's a lot of the roots of my questions. If you think that our boy Farmer John's gonna make it in the way that he wants to make it get well with.

[John Sansone]

With Stephen. We didn't. We had two of them on, and we were really focused on the show, so we didn't get into the weeds of the farming. So pun intended. We're gonna have to have like another farm on Farmer on and get in the weeds of the farmer.

[C]

Yeah, we don't want to be too corny.

[John Sansone]

We don't want to be too corny. You know, apple doesn't fall far from the tree. All right, so I. I think. I don't know, man. I think the Gen Z population agent is into Farmer John.

[C]

Yeah.

[John Sansone]

I think that's why he's popping off on Tick Tock. I think his engagement's great, and I think if he nails that brand, we're gonna see a lot of Farmer John. But who knows, man? And who knows?

[C]

And to wrap a bow on it, I think Stephen McBee was all business, all serious, all the time. And I think Farmer John is going to be, like you said, if he goes comedic, if he goes jokes, if he could fire that, if he can get that Tick Tock snowball rolling downhill, he can lean into it, he can show up on our TVs and a couple other settings like a Big Brother, something where we can really get to know him a little more. If you're listening, John, if it feels like I'm coming at you, I'm actually a big fan. I actually want to see more. So that's why maybe I'm just pushing you. Maybe I'm just motivating right here. Get it, get. I want you to get out of that parents basement. I want you to make that six figures in the media world that you're looking for. And. And I want to see what. What happens next with you.

[John Sansone]

But make sure you finish law school, get that degree. You'll have a great insurance plan. But dang, that was a cool episode. You gotta love trade secrets, man. We go from the Navy SEAL who takes down Bin Laden to Farmer John and everything in between. It's the beauty of what we do and how we do it. And David, you've seen over 200 episodes, and you know what it takes when you see some of these people succeed. And you want to see Farmer John succeed, so do I. So more to come with Farmer John. We're gonna have to do another episode with him to see how things go. But in the meantime, we are rooting for Farmer John. And Claire, you got anything else before we wrap? David?

[C]

No, I know you're. You just touched down in Vegas. You're going to the AMAs tomorrow. So I am. I'm excited to hear a little bit about that action and just what that, you know, just, Just. Just talk buddy to buddy. Yeah, that's like.

[John Sansone]

It was great. I mean, I was in. I was in la. We did some podcasting, actually. Podcasted. And it's gonna be an interesting episode with a gentleman who, from scratch, from nothing, became a billionaire off Hess. Control companies. Pest control. The ones that knock on your door. I pay one for that episode. That's crazy.

[C]

I pay one.

[John Sansone]

Everyone does.

[C]

Yeah. He came door to door. He came. And it's actually been a great investment.

[John Sansone]

See, you're gonna know all about. That's good investment for him. His commissions are off the charts, so you're gonna hear all about that. And then had Joey Graziade's 30th birthday, which was fun. And now in Vegas for the AMAs. Out to New York this week and then back to. I'll actually see you in Rochester early next week. And then back to Nashville. And in most of June, I will be all in Nashville. Teddy was. He's in training and the trainers are keeping him for an extra week or so. They're a week, week and a half. They're about to have a. What they're calling is a breakthrough moment with his reactivity. So he's doing really well, but they're, like, very close to like, really breaking through this reactivity, which will put him in such a more peaceful place. And that's what it's looking like. Man.

[C]

Can I get ama's looking interesting?

[John Sansone]

There's. There's predictions and how. By the time this comes out, well, at least for a day, the AMAs will have happened since Monday night. But there are predictions that Taylor Swift might be announcing her next album. Wow.

[C]

Can I. My last question. Can I get an update on Haircut Watch? Will, will you get a haircut by the time I see on Saturday?

[John Sansone]

I don't think so. No, not by then. Yeah. It's gotten out of control.

[C]

Nuts. I see it playing with it and twirling with it while I record again. I'm like, missing.

[John Sansone]

It's out of control.

[C]

Out of control.

[Host]

I gotta do.

[John Sansone]

I gotta do something with this. I don't know what it's gonna be, but it's long. It's out of control.

[C]

I mean, maybe you're growing it for some, like, TV movie role you're just not telling me about. And you gotta do like. Like, if you had to do like, emo, like, band member who, like, straightens it and gets me. Yeah, and paint your fingernails.

[John Sansone]

I love it. Well, we'll see. Well, this was a great recap. We talked talked all things life, Farmer John and what's coming up. David, thank you for being here with me. And thank you guys. Give us five stars, please. It means the world. Thank you for tuning to another episode of Trading Secrets, one you can't afford to miss.

[Host]

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[John Sansone]

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[Host]

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[John Sansone]

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