241. Amanda Batula: From Summer House & Loverboy to launching her own swim brand, BTS of her entrepreneurial mindset, balancing love and money, & being unapologetically authentic

Summary

Podcast Summary: Trading Secrets | Episode 241: Amanda Batula

Host: Jason Tartick
Guest: Amanda Batula
Release Date: June 30, 2025

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1. Introduction and Guest Background

In Episode 241 of Trading Secrets, host Jason Tartick welcomes Amanda Batula, a beloved cast member from Bravo’s Summer House and the creative force behind the beverage brand Loverboy. Amanda has also ventured into entrepreneurship by launching her own swimwear brand, Amanda Batula Swim. With nearly a decade in reality TV, Amanda brings a wealth of experience in balancing personal life, career, and finances.

Amanda Batula [04:55]: "Thank you. That was long-winded. Who was that?"

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2. Reality TV Journey and Summer House

Jason begins by highlighting Amanda’s significant presence in the reality TV space, noting her authentic charm and creative prowess. Amanda shares insights into the upcoming season of Summer House, including the filming schedule and the absence of fellow cast member Paige.

Amanda Batula [05:55]: "Whenever we're in the house and someone's even missing for a weekend, you can feel that they're gone."

Amanda expresses confidence in navigating the new season despite changes in the cast.

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3. Financial Management: Before and After Reality TV

Amanda delves into her financial journey, recounting her early career in marketing and graphic design. She worked as a junior graphic designer at L'Occitane in New York City, earning around $50,000 annually—a modest salary given the city's high cost of living.

Amanda Batula [08:35]: "I was probably making, I want to say, like, $50,000 a year, which is not a lot in New York City."

Transitioning to reality TV, Amanda discusses how her income from the show surpassed her initial earnings, allowing her to invest in personal and professional ventures.

Amanda Batula [09:12]: "Especially to have that extra income at a point where my paycheck was gonna have to go to rent or clothing and food that month."

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4. Business Ventures: Loverboy and Swim Brand Launch

Amanda co-founded Loverboy, a standout beverage brand, where she contributed her design and branding expertise. She emphasizes the importance of creative control and authentic brand representation.

Amanda Batula [27:44]: "I was extremely hands-on in directing what this looked like."

In addition to Loverboy, Amanda has launched Amanda Batula Swim, a swimwear line built in the public eye with real-time feedback from her community. She underscores the value of community engagement in shaping her brand.

Amanda Batula [63:05]: "I literally created swimsuits based off of people's feedback from my first drop."

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5. Balancing Love and Money: Relationship with Kyle

Amanda and her husband, Kyle, discuss managing finances as a couple running a business together. They maintain separate bank accounts to preserve financial independence and avoid conflicts over spending.

Amanda Batula [59:21]: "We do not have. We never combine bank accounts. We have separate bank accounts."

She also touches on the dynamics of blending personal relationships with business responsibilities, highlighting the challenges and strategies to maintain both.

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6. Content Creation and Brand Collaborations

Amanda shares her approach to content creation, prioritizing authenticity over mere promotional endeavors. She turned down substantial deals that didn't align with her values or personal use, ensuring her brand remains genuine.

Amanda Batula [31:21]: "I don't want to sell you something that I don't use."

Her collaboration with Swiffer exemplifies her strategy—partnering with brands she already loves and uses, thereby maintaining authenticity.

Amanda Batula [34:44]: "This just made sense for me to do because it was a product that I was already using."

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7. Mental Health Journey

Amanda opens up about her struggles with depression, emphasizing the pivotal role of medication and therapy in overcoming her challenges. Her journey highlights the importance of seeking help and the transformative impact of mental health treatment.

Amanda Batula [45:32]: "The medication really has pushed me. I should be going to therapy too. We're still working on that."

She reflects on how addressing her mental health has enabled her to engage more fully in her personal and professional life.

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8. Future Plans and Advice

Looking ahead, Amanda remains focused on her entrepreneurial ventures without rigid expectations. She advocates for financial independence within relationships and the importance of maintaining separate finances to ensure personal autonomy.

Amanda Batula [60:22]: "Having your own income and your own account in some capacity, just having your own individuality. It's like a safety net, too."

Amanda advises aspiring entrepreneurs and couples to prioritize authenticity in business and financial dealings, ensuring long-term stability and satisfaction.

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9. Conclusion and Trading Secret

As the episode wraps up, Amanda shares her trading secret, emphasizing the power of community feedback in building a successful brand.

Amanda Batula [63:29]: "It's all about community. Leveraging my community and the platform that I've been given."

Jason and Amanda conclude the episode on a positive note, celebrating her multifaceted career and personal growth.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Amanda on Prenups [22:15]: "Everyone should sign a prenup. Protect your assets, protect theirs."
• Amanda on Financial Independence [60:22]: "Having your own income and your own account... It's like a safety net."

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Further Resources:

• Amanda Batula Swim: Amanda Batula Swim Website
• Loverboy Beverage Brand: Loverboy Beverages
• Follow Amanda Batula on Instagram: @amandabatula

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This episode offers valuable insights into balancing fame, entrepreneurship, personal relationships, and mental health, making it a must-listen for anyone navigating similar challenges.

Transcript

[Jason Tarek]

Foreign welcome back to another episode of Trading Secrets. I'm your host Jason Tarek and welcome to the pre market trading segment. I'm going to tell you a little bit about our guest today, something from a finance perspective you should know going into this week. And an update from, from my life. Two quick little updates for this episode. We will not have a recap this episode. We turn this episode so quickly because our guest is Amanda Batula from Summer House and she is actually going to film for the next season this week. So we did all the editing, the shooting of this, the cutting, everything yesterday to get this out today. So no recap. That being said, there will be a recap next week for the Wells, Adam and Jesse episode, the host of Bachelor in Paradise and Bartender. And in that recap, we'll be giving, giving two gifts away. So make sure on Apple to go give us five stars. Let us know your biggest takeaway from this episode and we will be announcing those winners in next week's recap. Now this week, I'm so excited about our guest. Amanda Batula is so respected in the reality TV space. She has been on years and years, almost a decade of reality tv. We've seen her get married on reality tv. We've seen the highs, the lows, we've seen her mental health distresses and successes. And I would say, just like Summer House, Amanda Petula is peaking in all areas of life right now, personally, professionally, financially. I ask her all her takes on love and money prenups, how you manage the bank accounts with Kyle, how you manage the equity with Kyle's business, how is your business going? I talk about how much she's paid per episode, what she was making before she went into reality tv. Now she's so respected as a creative because she is so creative. She was a creator, graphic designer and in marketing all before this. And she's used that skill sets in all of her different businesses and endeavors. So everything from the hilarity that she just is embedded in her to her storytelling to the money she's making and has made, to her take on finances, love and money. And you know, we have, there's, there's just some really good banter in this episode. You'll laugh a few times as well. So I'm excited about it. Now, something you should know as it relates to finances going into the week and this summer. Well, this summer, nearly 75% of American adults plan to take some sort of road trip, actually with 33% of them traveling more than 250 miles from home and this has increased this year and it stayed at an all time high. A lot of people are saying due to the fact that the national average gas price is right about $3 and 20 cents, but based on the cost of all things with inflation, we actually have a ranking of the best road trip destinations for the summer based on state. The criteria for this list is the cost of the state, the safety rank and all the activities that are within that state. Coming in at number one is Minnesota. Number two, New York. Number three, Ohio. Number four, Utah and number five Louisiana. At the bottom of that list is Delaware at 50, Connecticut at 49, Rhode island at 48, 50, Vermont at 47 and Montana at 46. I gotta say, I'm shocked by Montana being 46. That surprises me. Now, that being said, what's going on in my personal life? Well, this week for July 4th, I already told you, I'm going to interview Jesse and Wells in New York on the second and then me and Teddy are going to the Hamptons. We are spending a week up there for July 4th. We're actually going to crash one of Summer House's filming parties. That should be pretty fun and I'm really excited about it. So next week's episode will be a good one and next week in general will be a fun one. But you know what, enough of me. Let's get in to this episode with the one and only the Queen herself, Amanda Batulu. Today we are sitting down with someone who's turned reality TV fame into a real life entrepreneurial path. You may know her from Bravo's hit series Summer House, where she quickly became a fan favorite for her candidness, creativity and unfiltered charm. But Amanda Batula is so much more than just a cast member. She's a designer, creative director, entrepreneur, and someone who is redefining what it means to build a business in the public eye. Co founding and helping build Lover Boy into a standout beverage brand. She's brought her design sensibility, branding expertise and sharp instincts to the forefront of the wellness and lifestyle space. Now, as she has eyes on the future, Amanda is expanding her voice beyond reality tv, focusing on new creative projects, digital ventures, signature lines, and launching her own swimwear brand. She is carving out a space that's authentic, intentional, and distinctly hers. Amanda, thank you for joining us on Trading Secrets.

[Amanda Batula]

Thank you. That was long winded. Who was that?

[Jason Tarek]

That? This one. This was like, actually this was like just dialed in, right?

[Amanda Batula]

I sound extremely impressive.

[Jason Tarek]

Well, you are impressive. You are impressive. And you not only are you impressive but you are going to get ready for another season of filming.

[Amanda Batula]

Yes.

[Jason Tarek]

When do you. When do you guys film?

[Amanda Batula]

This weekend.

[Jason Tarek]

So it's like Fourth of July.

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah.

[Jason Tarek]

This comes out Monday. It's this week. You're going.

[Amanda Batula]

Everyone. We always film July and August, and everyone's like, why are you not out there in June? And they start freaking out. But we always start filming Fourth of July weekend.

[Jason Tarek]

Okay. How do you. There's been a lot of change that you've talked about at length. Everyone's talked about at length. Some people are missing. Paige is gone. How you feeling? Like, in general, how you feeling going into it?

[Amanda Batula]

I mean, I'm always excited for the summer. I think her absence is definitely going to be felt. Whenever we're in the house and someone's even missing for a weekend, you can feel that they're gone for the most part. So to not have her there all summer is going to be an adjustment, but I think we'll be able to forge ahead. I mean, we have to. We have to. We can't be sitting there crying.

[Jason Tarek]

Do you feel, like, pressure? Like, you gotta, like, bring an extra magnified Amanda to the game now that the one of the, like, big fireworks is missing?

[Amanda Batula]

I don't think so. I most. You know, we had our little trio with, like, me, Paige, and Sierra, and that was awesome. And I think that's where we're gonna feel the most absence is with the banter between the three of us.

[Jason Tarek]

Yeah.

[Amanda Batula]

But Sierra and I will do our best.

[Jason Tarek]

All right. We'll get into more summer house for the summer house fans. Before I get into some of the stuff you're doing before filming, I'm curious, like, do you have any idea who might be joining the house? Like, any. I mean, last year we knew that you had part in bringing Lexi in, right?

[Amanda Batula]

Yep.

[Jason Tarek]

So do you have part in bringing anyone in? Do you have any type of idea?

[Amanda Batula]

We, for the most part, know as much as everyone else does. Whoever has announced that they're not coming back, that's what I know for sure. I do know of one new cast member because that's a friend of ours, of Kyle and mine, but that's as much as I know. Like, I.

[Jason Tarek]

Does your name start with a vowel?

[Amanda Batula]

It's a man. It's a man guy. Oh, yeah.

[Jason Tarek]

Interesting.

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah.

[Jason Tarek]

Been in the public spotlight before.

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah.

[Jason Tarek]

Interesting.

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah. But I don't. I don't think so.

[Jason Tarek]

I know him.

[Amanda Batula]

I don't think so.

[Jason Tarek]

Okay.

[Amanda Batula]

I could tell you later, but tell me later.

[Jason Tarek]

Yeah, I actually went on a date with someone two, three months ago.

[Amanda Batula]

Okay.

[Jason Tarek]

And they told me they were casting.

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah.

[Jason Tarek]

Yeah. So I wonder if she'll be on.

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah, they've. They've been doing a ton of casting for this new season because there are, like, a lot of big players that it feels like are out.

[Jason Tarek]

Yeah.

[Amanda Batula]

I've heard about, like, seven different girls that are gonna be on the season. I'm like, no way that there's seven new girls coming on the show. But I've heard rumors about, like, seven different people, so I have no idea what to expect.

[Jason Tarek]

Well, we can't wait to see. It'll be interesting to see if this person's on. We'll talk about it offline.

[Amanda Batula]

Yes.

[Jason Tarek]

Let me know what you think of her and. Cause you actually. When you and Kyle and I were at the bar one day, you were like, you know, Jason, I need to help you out in this whole dating thing. I'm going to set you straight. So I'll get your opinion on that.

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah, no, absolutely.

[Jason Tarek]

All right, let's get out.

[Amanda Batula]

At least you're still dating.

[Jason Tarek]

I'm still dating. Yeah.

[Amanda Batula]

That's good. Going on dates.

[Jason Tarek]

What do you mean? Like, I haven't quit.

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah.

[Jason Tarek]

Yeah.

[Amanda Batula]

You're still at it.

[Jason Tarek]

I'm throwing it in. I'm out of here. Still giving it a go here. Old college try. All right, let's get into some of your career stuff before you went on reality tv. So before you were on tv, like, what was your first job? As far as I know, it was in marketing, creative design. Like, what exactly was it? What did it look like, how much you make?

[Amanda Batula]

Tell us a little bit about, like, out of college.

[Jason Tarek]

Yeah. Or like, right before. Yeah, out of college, up until filming.

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah. So I started out interning for Rent the Runway.

[Jason Tarek]

Okay.

[Amanda Batula]

Cool, wasn't I? It was paid, but, like, very little. There was nowhere for me to grow at the time. So then I got a job as a junior graphic designer at l' Occitane.

[Jason Tarek]

Okay.

[Amanda Batula]

I was probably making, I want to say, like, $50,000 a year, like, which is not a lot in New York City.

[Jason Tarek]

Sure.

[Amanda Batula]

And I was able to, like, get by and manage, but. But that was my first job. I did that for five years.

[Jason Tarek]

Wow.

[Amanda Batula]

And three of those years, I was filming Summer House, so I was working a corporate job for three seasons of the show.

[Jason Tarek]

So the marketing job that you referred to in season one was this position.

[Amanda Batula]

Yes.

[Jason Tarek]

And you're making 50,000 at this point, I assume you're making more than in this show or close to, for sure.

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jason Tarek]

So that was. So. To get an opportunity, like, that's huge.

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. It was. Especially to have that extra income at a point where my paycheck was gonna have to go to rent or, like, clothing and food that month. You know, it was like picking and choosing. So it. The timing could not have been more perfect for me.

[Jason Tarek]

Don't take this the wrong way, because I also apply this to myself. I think if you ask, like, my best friends in high school, they would be like, that's not a guy for reality tv. I think if you see someone like Paige, they're gonna be like, get that girl on reality tv. Did you ever see reality TV in your future? Because you don't strike me as some of this, like, people in high school, like, oh, yeah, a man is gonna be a reality TV star.

[Amanda Batula]

No, that was not. I was not nominated in the yearbook for most likely to be on tv. I. I fell in love with Kyle. This is not something that I thought I was gonna do. I think as a joke, like, I mean, when you're with your friends, you're always joking about, like, we could be on tv. Jersey Shore was really big at the time. We were from New Jersey. But never in my life was I serious about being on television. Glamour came out with an article, like, two years ago, and I think the headline was, like, the most normal girl on reality tv. And I was like, is this that.

[Jason Tarek]

Oh, that was it for you? Yeah, a hundred percent.

[Amanda Batula]

I agree with that, which is super flattering. But, yeah, it's. I'm not like your cookie cutter reality TV person, which I think is what makes. Makes it work for me.

[Jason Tarek]

Totally. Because it creates that relatability for the person at home that's also not. They see themselves in you.

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah. I'm different than a lot of people see on the screen.

[Jason Tarek]

Yeah. Okay. All right, let's get to dollars and cents here. So we're in a really good space with Bravo. So I like to stay in a good space with Bravo. But what I always do that Bravo's cool with is I make these like. Like touch point analogies. So with Bryn Whitfield from Real Housewives, we talked about how much she spends on door dash, and she referred her door dash money to how much she makes per episode. So with you, I got to do marketing job, so. Marketing job. 50 grand in your first season? More or less?

[Amanda Batula]

I think less.

[Jason Tarek]

Yeah, less. Less, but close. Half.

[Amanda Batula]

More than half?

[Jason Tarek]

More than half, yeah. Okay. Somewhere in that.

[Amanda Batula]

Somewhere. Yeah.

[Jason Tarek]

Okay. So now, in a short period of time, you're having fun. You're falling in love. Life is good. You're making a couple bucks. Now you're a reality TV star. You get the money in your bank account. What is the first thing you spend money on that you're just like, I'm doing it. Let's go. What is it?

[Amanda Batula]

This is crazy. I bought a leather briefcase for Kyle.

[Jason Tarek]

That was Your first purchase?

[Amanda Batula]

500.

[Jason Tarek]

This is the most Amanda shit I've ever heard.

[Amanda Batula]

I know. I've never spent that much money at the time on anything.

[Jason Tarek]

Brand was it?

[Amanda Batula]

I don't even know. It was like this. It was sleek. Kyle was. He was working on like joined Phoenix at the time. I think he might have been starting Lover boy, I can't remember. And I was just so excited that he was taking this like entrepreneurial journey. And I wanted to buy him like a nice briefcase so he could ride around the city on a city bike. So I spent $500 of which I probably shouldn't have even spent at the time on him for like a birthday gift. And that was my first splurge. Yeah.

[Jason Tarek]

Wow.

[Amanda Batula]

And you want to know what my second big splurge was?

[Jason Tarek]

What?

[Amanda Batula]

I just bought it.

[Jason Tarek]

I was going to ask you about.

[Amanda Batula]

Last week in can my miu m bag. I do not spend. I don't buy designer. I don't spend a ton of money. This was like a reward for all the hard work that I've been doing.

[Jason Tarek]

Keep this thing up. I'm not done with this. This is Mew Mew. Okay, I got questions. Especially single guy that might have to get in this whole game of gift giving at some point here. Mew Mew. How much does this thing cost? Actually, let me guess, let me guess. Because that looks. I think it's a fancy ass brand if I remember right.

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah.

[Jason Tarek]

Ten grand.

[Amanda Batula]

No, five grand. Less.

[Jason Tarek]

Four grand.

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah, it was around four, which isn't bad. Not bad is a reasonably priced.

[Jason Tarek]

I'm out. You're not done with this thing.

[Amanda Batula]

Okay.

[Jason Tarek]

What are these little things? How much do these things cost?

[Amanda Batula]

I got these like off Amazon or something. Oh, wow.

[Jason Tarek]

So just like this is a Mew Mew 1 LTK. Let's go.

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah, they're just fun little like keychain, I don't know, decorating the bag.

[Jason Tarek]

Okay, before we go, there's something in that bag that all. I put an Instagram story out there and I was like, tell me what you want me to ask Amanda. And they all kept saying, le fufu le FA fa.

[Amanda Batula]

Do you want to meet him?

[Jason Tarek]

What It. What is. Oh, shit. This is the Japanese thing. Oh, my God. I've heard all about this.

[Amanda Batula]

Do you want to meet him?

[Jason Tarek]

Yes.

[Amanda Batula]

Gwe.

[Jason Tarek]

Wait, wait, wait. Is this a real one?

[Amanda Batula]

No, this. Well, okay, so Labubus are this, like. They're a stuffed animal thing. I don't really get it.

[Jason Tarek]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Amanda Batula]

I see it all over. Tick tock.

[Jason Tarek]

I was reading a thing on Wall Street Journal about this.

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah. And they became so popular that people are reselling them. But now some of the resellers are making fake ones, and they've now have the name Lefufu instead of Le Boo Boo because they're fake. I got bamboozled and I ended up buying a fake one.

[Jason Tarek]

Wait, did you know it was fake?

[Amanda Batula]

No, I did not.

[Jason Tarek]

So this is the whole thing. I have read so many Wall Street Journal things about these, but I don't. Let me see this thing. Okay. It's not like a Tamagotchi doesn't talk to you.

[Amanda Batula]

No. It's literally just like a stuffed toy with the vinyl face that girls are putting on their bags and keychains.

[Jason Tarek]

Why? What is it?

[Amanda Batula]

I don't know.

[Jason Tarek]

What is it?

[Amanda Batula]

I have no idea. I think that there is, like, a K pop star that started putting it on her bags and they sort of just. No, it's so ratchet. Look at the face. It's like oval to be around. No. There's so many things wrong with it. Fifteen, which I think that they go for like, 15 to 20, but resale, they can. You can buy a blind box for up to like, a hundred dollars. Resale.

[Jason Tarek]

Interesting.

[Amanda Batula]

I was like, I'm not doing that, but this is my Lefoufu.

[Jason Tarek]

That's unbelievable. All right, there's a Lefufu. Fifteen bucks. You got ripped off. But, hey, yeah.

[Amanda Batula]

Where'd you buy it for story? Just some, like, website I trust. I trust TikTok too much, honestly. What, I should stay off.

[Jason Tarek]

I'm just curious. Like, I had the guy who sent me all this information about this. It actually works for the podcast. He's like a crypto bro.

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah.

[Jason Tarek]

Keep poofoo out here. Actually, let him join us. We got lover boy and the fufu thing, but he's, like, in the know. How did you come across this?

[Amanda Batula]

Tick tock.

[Jason Tarek]

Okay.

[Amanda Batula]

Just Tick tock.

[Jason Tarek]

Interesting.

[Amanda Batula]

Comes up on my TikTok. I'm chronically online. I don't know, I get hit with, like, the most random things on my for you page, and I'm obsessed with it. And I kept seeing these unboxings And I was like, I need to unbox one of these.

[Jason Tarek]

Of all the questions, when are you. When do you have kids? Where you move? And all this that people want to know the gossip. This was literally the top one.

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah. No, it's been a whole journey and we're on a journey to get me a real labubu.

[Jason Tarek]

You're on the journey. I love it.

[Amanda Batula]

Gotta know someone.

[Jason Tarek]

If anybody knows someone out there and don't get ripped off. Round two. 15 bucks will get you a long way. Let's go back to before the show. So 50,000 you're making somewhere in this. 25. 50,000 you're starting to get some fame. What was. And we talk a lot about this with all different guests. But like what was your dependence on your family to help you survive in the city and financially and things like that, what it looked like. And when and if did you separate?

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah. So I moved. I. I graduated college. I lived home for about a year while I was interning in the city. So I was commuting back and forth to New Jersey and then I got my job at Loxiton and that's when I moved into the city. And once I moved out of my parents house, they cut me off everything except for my phone bill, which my dad still pays to this day. Just the family plan. It makes sense. But they cut me off right then and there.

[Jason Tarek]

Interesting.

[Amanda Batula]

But making, paying rent, figuring out, balancing my finances.

[Jason Tarek]

On the phone plan right now.

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah, I'm still on the phone plan right now. The family plan. Yeah. He like, he was like, does Kyle want to join?

[Jason Tarek]

What you plan is Kyle on?

[Amanda Batula]

Kyle's like at and T. I'm on Verizon.

[Jason Tarek]

Gotcha. Confession. I'm still on my parents plan 36.

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah.

[Jason Tarek]

Because I haven't done the work and I don't want to lose my 716 numbers, but I Venmo them every.

[Amanda Batula]

I'm like grandfathered in. I feel like if, if I could still be on my parents health care, they'd be paying, you know.

[Jason Tarek]

You know what's embarrassing though is like sometimes, all right, I'm single, right?

[Amanda Batula]

You are?

[Jason Tarek]

Yeah. Someone gives me a. Shut up. Someone gives me a number. It's like my sister over here. Someone gives me their number and then I call them, says, Gary Tardick, I got you. Gotta put that on my cat.

[Amanda Batula]

Wait, why?

[Jason Tarek]

Because it's still under his thing, but so is mine.

[Amanda Batula]

And mine doesn't come up like that.

[Jason Tarek]

I gotta figure Verizon.

[Amanda Batula]

You gotta figure that out. Who's this man calling me.

[Jason Tarek]

Who is Mr. Gary? Yeah. This is so weird. What a setup.

[Amanda Batula]

It's a little too soon to meet the family.

[Jason Tarek]

Yeah, that's too soon. All right, so you're.

[Amanda Batula]

They cut me off.

[Jason Tarek]

They cut you off. But I have a question though. What is be like you're cut off. What does being on mean? Like, did you get credit cards? They give you a month.

[Amanda Batula]

I had jobs in high school and college. That was like the money that I would spend but for anything considered like a necessity. So food.

[Jason Tarek]

Yeah.

[Amanda Batula]

And then obviously I would spend it on alcohol too. Unless I was with my parents. It was mostly food and stuff. But I did have to tap into my family maybe like a small handful of times to help pay rent those first few years. And I was. That first year when I was figuring it out.

[Jason Tarek]

Sure.

[Amanda Batula]

My dad's like, amanda, your bank account was low. It's like, oh man, that's crazy. I actually have to pay rent. But it wasn't his money that he was sending me. It was my own money that I had from like. Yes. That he would put into my account. So I technically was financially independent at that point.

[Jason Tarek]

Since then, have you ever had to go back to ask for anything and. Or even ask them to like, invest in one of your projects?

[Amanda Batula]

I haven't had to ask for anything. My favorite thing to do now is like pay for dinner when we go out with my parents and like slip my card to the waiter. Yeah, that's like a really fun thing that. Like a time in my life now where I'm able to pay for their meal instead of them paying for me. But now the only thing they've invested in is Loverboy.

[Jason Tarek]

That's cool. Yeah, I love it.

[Amanda Batula]

Awesome.

[Jason Tarek]

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[Amanda Batula]

Yeah.

[Jason Tarek]

And like how serious they had to be to the company for him to do it. And it a hard thing for him to do. Do you have equity in the company and what did that look like?

[Amanda Batula]

That is a trick, tricky question for me to answer because I, I do have equity.

[Jason Tarek]

It.

[Amanda Batula]

I did not invest my equity was, you know, a sweat equity. It's the time that I put in. But there is something that happened like once we got married that I got some sort of thing. I don't know. I don't know the ins and outs of it. Okay. And I probably should I just trust that man too much. So. But yeah, we wait. He waited until we got married and then I got equity somehow that way.

[Jason Tarek]

Okay. We're gonna talk about love and money and all the different things that you guys do while we're on this topic.

[Amanda Batula]

Yes.

[Jason Tarek]

Touch. Do you have. I ask every guest this. This isn't specific to you.

[Amanda Batula]

It's okay.

[Jason Tarek]

You have a take on like prenups and like what happens with all this stuff before.

[Amanda Batula]

So I messed up. I. I messed up major. I. I don't know if it was like the movies that you would watch growing up or the tabloids, but prenup had such a negative connotation. It was connected to divorce. It always felt so messy. You would see like celebrities and prenup this and prenup that and it just didn't feel like a smart thing to do. So we didn't sign one. Everyone should sign a prenup.

[Jason Tarek]

Okay.

[Amanda Batula]

Let me tell you now.

[Jason Tarek]

Yeah.

[Amanda Batula]

Protect your assets for them to protect theirs. Like, you have no idea what's going to Happen, you think that you're in love and happy now. It could end really messy. And then what? You're screwed. Like, you wanna, I think prenups. It's just someone explained it to me. It's like you get health insurance not because you think you're gonna get sick, but it's at the, you know, at the chance that you do so. Same thing with a prenup. It's not like because you're preparing for divorce. It's in case something happens, you wanna have that security. True. So everyone should get a prenup. Hear it from the girl that didn't get one.

[Jason Tarek]

Hear from the girl that didn't get one. But if you look at your success and trajectory since saying I do, I.

[Amanda Batula]

Should have protected my ass.

[Jason Tarek]

Moving on up. Rocket is on your back and you are killing it. One thing I'm curious about is, you know, I've been in relationships where work and kind of like love intersect. And it's. It's really, really hard. And it's also really hard to find kind of roles within that. And we've seen it on tv. Some of those struggles unfold between you and Kyle. Where do you stand today with, like, the roles and responsibilities within the business, outside the business? Do you have hard rules on how to deal with it, et cetera?

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah, our rules have always been very fluid. There is nothing that's like, set in stone. We tried really hard to do, like, the working together on a daily basis thing. We just took each other's criticism too personally. Like, if he had an issue with something that, like, me and my team were working on, I would take offense to it. If I was complaining about a struggle that I was having within the company, he would take that very personally and feel like I was attacking him. Yeah, we were just too close to home.

[Jason Tarek]

Totally.

[Amanda Batula]

We did it for a while. We were also, like, living in our apartment that we were working out of, and it was just the two of us. And I feel like it wasn't the best start to, like, working together. It was during the pandemic.

[Jason Tarek]

Sure. That's a lot.

[Amanda Batula]

It was a lot. It was. It was tough. And there was a while where it was working really well, and until it wasn't, I think until things got busier. But for me, now I've, like, separated myself, so I work on projects from more of, like, a high level. Anything that's new, any big collaborations, any, you know, new products that we're doing, new packaging, new branding, anything like that, I'm. I'm on. I'M overseeing. I'm hands on everything else the day to day. Like, once I've done that part of it, it's the rest of the team. So that way you don't have to work every single day with Kyle. I don't have to tell him what's going on. Like, someone else can do that in the company.

[Jason Tarek]

Like in Loverboy, do you report to cut? Like, what's this? What does the org chart look like?

[Amanda Batula]

Conversation. So when we. When I was working every single day, I was like, I'm not reporting to you. You're not my boss. And he's like, okay, well, you report to Nick then, our coo. And I was like, well, Nick reports to you. Yeah, I'm not gonna.

[Jason Tarek]

Now you're just another.

[Amanda Batula]

I literally. We live together. We're with each other 24 7. I'm not gonna, like, tell Nick what's going on in my day to day. Like, it just felt like I was being treated as more of an employee than his partner and spouse, which, when we started it, it was like he was the business side and I was taking on the creative side of things, and I never wanted to be his employee. So I was like, I'm not reporting to someone. I was like, if you have an issue with me, I'm your wife. Talk to me. Like, it shouldn't be. Like, we shouldn't have to do it. Like, in a.

[Jason Tarek]

You know, you have to, like, set up a one on one.

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah. And then they were like, annual reviews, too, that they kept asking me to schedule an annual review. And I said, if you want me to review you as my husband every single year, I'm happy to do an annual review about lover boy. Otherwise, we're not doing that. And he said, okay, fine.

[Jason Tarek]

So did you ever do an annual review? There's no documentation.

[Amanda Batula]

No, there's nothing.

[Jason Tarek]

So you report to no one?

[Amanda Batula]

No, I report. You report to Loverboard. Yes.

[Jason Tarek]

And this little Temu thing.

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah, exactly. Lefufu. Sorry, his name is Gwegui someone. I asked my. I feel like he says it like this. Like.

[Jason Tarek]

All right, there we go. Zoom in on that. All right, we're almost done with lover boy talk. I just have a couple more questions. Another thing Kyle talked about when he came on the episode was, like, how he pays people salary, equity, shares, all this. How. How do you get compensated? Because that's a topic that was discussed a little bit on the show too.

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah. So I wasn't paid at all at first, which I was. You know, I'm. I'm Trusting his word. And, you know, he's saying, this is how it's going to go. We're not going to take a salary, and it's going to pay off in the long run. So at first I wasn't salaried. Then we started making some money, then a little bit more. And now that I've taken a step back, I think I'm paid just enough to cover my health insurance.

[Jason Tarek]

Okay, gotcha.

[Amanda Batula]

Because I'm making money in other ways.

[Jason Tarek]

Yeah.

[Amanda Batula]

And I'm not a part of the business every single day.

[Jason Tarek]

Sure.

[Amanda Batula]

So I'm like, okay, if I get health care, then okay. So that's. That's me right now working, technically working for free.

[Jason Tarek]

Yeah. Well, Evan and I own a business together. We haven't taken salaries since 2020. So I. I get where he's coming from. I'm back. Y. I'm backing you up here, my man. I'm backing you up.

[Amanda Batula]

And I never argued it either. I was like, okay, I'm just trusting where you're taking me with this. And that will eventually get in there.

[Jason Tarek]

Last question. I got too. How much did you put into the design? So, like, what's right here?

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah.

[Jason Tarek]

What was your work?

[Amanda Batula]

See that little purple sky now? So we worked with an agency to design the logo and the cans. They would give us, like, different directions. I was very hands on in directing what this looked like. I would get back, like, the. The drafts of the different directions we could go in. I would combine them. I would merge them. I would tell them exactly what I wanted to. Wanted it to look like.

[Jason Tarek]

Okay.

[Amanda Batula]

So I was extremely hands on. I wasn't actually creating it, but I was telling them, like, I want to combine direction one and direction two. I want to pull this. I don't like this on the logo. Like, I had a ton of say, but my strong suit isn't branding necessarily or, like, logo creation. So I let someone who's a professional do that, and then I just was very, very hands on in what it looked like.

[Jason Tarek]

I love it. Last question. We got as I'm going to open this up. What is a number? Do you have a number, like, in your head that you're like, I would love Kyle to sell it for this amount. This is the dream.

[Amanda Batula]

I don't. 500 million five.

[Jason Tarek]

Kyle, you got big shoes to fill, my man.

[Amanda Batula]

You asked for a number, ask for a number.

[Jason Tarek]

And something tells me being having big shoes to fill is the standard. No, I'm just kidding. All right.

[Amanda Batula]

It's not my business.

[Jason Tarek]

It's not Your business. All right, let's get into creator a little bit. So it's a huge part of your business right now. And so from a creator perspective, when you think about filming, doing creative design, you have your. Obviously your swimbrear. You have all these different identities and different career paths in the creator space. Like, what is your take on it? What's your relationship with this area of your life and income now?

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah. I feel like I was hesitant to get involved for a while. There was a point in time where I felt like it was extremely oversaturated and everyone was just selling anything that they could.

[Jason Tarek]

Sure.

[Amanda Batula]

You know, it felt super inauthentic. So when I did choose to get involved, I wanted my stuff to, like, feel different than what other people were doing.

[Jason Tarek]

You were late. You were very late.

[Amanda Batula]

So late.

[Jason Tarek]

So was Kyle.

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah. I mean, we just started, like, a year ago.

[Jason Tarek]

Yeah.

[Amanda Batula]

Like, really started.

[Jason Tarek]

And that the reason behind that was just like, we. Did it have anything to do with not knowing, like, the business and income potential, or was it just like, we want to stay away, we're good?

[Amanda Batula]

No, I knew the potential, but I would. I mean, maybe not the extent of the potential, but I was aware that, like, people were buying homes and cars, just being, like, Instagram influencers.

[Jason Tarek]

Sure.

[Amanda Batula]

But for me, like, I just didn't. I would see other creators, like, selling all. Everyone's selling the same stuff, doing things that, like, they wouldn't actually use or they wouldn't be caught dead wearing. And I was like, I don't. I don't want to be a sellout.

[Jason Tarek]

Yeah.

[Amanda Batula]

But I was able to find a great team and make it work. Where I'm able to work with brands that. It is very authentic for me, and it's easy and natural for me to talk about. I've. I've made the mistake of working with brands that it wasn't authentic. And I don't know how to speak about it. I don't know how to sell you something that I don't even want to buy myself.

[Jason Tarek]

So that's a. I mean, this is kind of like uncovering the influencer creator world a little bit. What. What are some things that you think about when I'm. Because deals come to you. Right. And I'm sure they're sizable. Like, what are some things you think about to say, okay, I see the paycheck, but how do you evaluate?

[Amanda Batula]

Oh, yeah, I've turned down plenty of deals.

[Jason Tarek]

What's, like, the biggest dollar amount you've turned down?

[Amanda Batula]

Maybe in, like, the hundred thousand six Figure deal.

[Jason Tarek]

And why'd you turn it down?

[Amanda Batula]

It just didn't make sense for me. It didn't feel authentic. It wasn't something that I used or would use. And that's a big thing for me. Again, if I, if it's not a product that I currently use, a brand that I currently purchase, or something that I could see myself incorporating into my lifestyle, I'm not gonna do it.

[Jason Tarek]

And even if it's six figures, like, I won't find.

[Amanda Batula]

No, because I, I pride myself on honesty and authenticity and I think that's a big part of, you know, reality TV also is always being truthful. So I want to continue that. Even though I'm doing these brand deals and selling stuff, I'm not going to sell you something that I don't use.

[Jason Tarek]

True. I love it. And that's why people connect with you. Right, let's talk about. You said no to a six figure deal. What if. Let's talk about the big deal. What's like, been the biggest lucrative. What's like your, what's your grammy of a deal you've done from the influencer space?

[Amanda Batula]

The biggest deal I've done so far was with Face Reality, which is an acne skincare brand.

[Jason Tarek]

Obviously you used it before.

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah, no, I hadn't. So this is one where it made sense for me. I was dealing with breakouts.

[Jason Tarek]

Okay.

[Amanda Batula]

I did my research on the company. I saw real reviews, real people that used it, they saw actual results from it. And I was like, okay, this makes sense. I have acne. I'm breaking out. I can use this product to help solve an issue I have. And it felt authentic and real. So even though I wasn't using it beforehand, it was something that I was going to incorporate in my life and I still use it to this day. The reason it was my biggest deal was because it was, I think, the longest. It was like a six month, six or eight month deal. I think I'm still doing it right now.

[Jason Tarek]

I think you are. You're killing it though. I love it. Let's go.

[Amanda Batula]

A lot of travel, a lot of events, a lot of off. It's been like a great experience. But yeah, that's been my biggest one.

[Jason Tarek]

Congratulations. That's awesome. So I actually saw that deal and then in preparation for this podcast, I was going through your Instagram. I'm looking at all the deals you did and I saw an Instagram post with Swiffer. Swiffer. They're the best. I'm a Swiffer fan myself, but tell Me a little bit. Let's get specific behind one brand collaboration. So, you know, what's the story behind that? What made you say yes to working with them? Was it the product? Was it the integration with your pets? Like give us a little, you know, behind the scenes of a specific deal?

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah, I mean, it was a little bit of everything. So this is a great example of a brand that I was. Was already purchasing. I already had Swiffer in my home. I had the mop, the wet mop, I had the dry cloths, I had, you know, the Swiffer dusters. I had everything. So this was authentic for me. It's like, why not promote something that I already use? And then the best thing about it, it wasn't just promoting something that I already used. They had like the newest innovation in 25 years. It's called the Swiffer Sweep and Mop Deluxe.

[Jason Tarek]

Okay, wait, I haven't heard this one.

[Amanda Batula]

Yes. So it has a collapse. So you can do the dry cloths and the wet cloth both on one side.

[Jason Tarek]

Y the dry, wet and then you do the dry first?

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah, dry first and then the wet. And then it has a collapsible stick too, which I love, because living in apartment, it's great when you don't have a ton of storage. So everything sort of just seemed to align for me. And it's so much better to have like one cleaning tool than multiple and especially when you can just store it under your sink and not a closet. So this just, it totally made sense for me to do cuz it was a product that I was already using and now I can get rid of all the other mops and brooms and sweepers and whatever I have at my closet.

[Jason Tarek]

All right. One thing I always think about from a creator perspective is the process of making content. So when you're thinking about making content like this, or you use it already, but then you actually have to make the content. There's people listening to this right now. They own a business, they own a small business, or they're trying to make content for themselves, but they, they struggle with like integration of something there to use. So when you're making the content, what is the thought process behind the creative brand branding of Amanda? What's important to you when you're building the actual creative concept of it?

[Amanda Batula]

This is the thing that I probably struggle with the most. I sit and like stare at my phone for hours, thinking, do you really? For hours. But like, for a while, I mean, sometimes Julie won't hear from me because I'M just like, I don't know. I don't know how to fix this. I don't know how to edit it. I don't know where to start. I don't know where to begin. And then once it comes to me, it just flows again. I think think the best thing is fitting it into your life naturally, not trying to make your content look like other people's.

[Jason Tarek]

Okay.

[Amanda Batula]

Really staying true to who you are. And I think that that's why I love that they wanted my dogs involved in it because that's a huge part of my life. So to be able to film with the dogs is so easy. And honestly, the easiest content I make is when a brand wants me to involve my dogs because I'm like, okay, I'll sit on the couch with my dogs. Like that.

[Jason Tarek]

You're doing it anyway.

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah. No, literally.

[Jason Tarek]

Exactly. Is it hard to film with them? Recent rider?

[Amanda Batula]

They're not the best.

[Jason Tarek]

Yeah.

[Amanda Batula]

But they have to pay their way, so they have to do it one way or the other.

[Jason Tarek]

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[Amanda Batula]

Yes, I saw that.

[Jason Tarek]

He's the best. He is the best.

[Amanda Batula]

But you got him back from training recently.

[Jason Tarek]

I just got him back.

[Amanda Batula]

I'm glad you did that. We did training camp.

[Jason Tarek]

Did you do it too? Yeah, there was a lot of. So, like my, my vet, the. The group that I rescued the dog from, Wags and walks and the trainer I was working with individually, all were like this is the place to go. He has to go based on his reactivity. You don't really have a question.

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah.

[Jason Tarek]

He has come back a totally different dog.

[Amanda Batula]

It's incredible what you're able to do.

[Jason Tarek]

Like he is way happier. Did you find a big difference?

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah. Dogs want like they want that direction. They need to be sort of guided. Yeah. So giving him those like rules and. And structure makes for a happier dog. He needs to see you as a leader and if you're just rolling around in the mud all day, you're just a pal. He needs a leader.

[Jason Tarek]

Therapy for dogs. He's got traumas. We gotta figure it out.

[Amanda Batula]

Exactly.

[Jason Tarek]

I actually found the hardest thing about it after he got back was that I had to learn how to be a good parent to him.

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah.

[Jason Tarek]

Like in the right commands and the consistency and everything. So as much as he got trained, I had to get trained.

[Amanda Batula]

Exactly. Because he's looking to you to lead him and direct him.

[Jason Tarek]

Exactly.

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah. So no, it's incredible. When I took my dogs we found out that they're back of the pack dogs. Dogs.

[Jason Tarek]

Interesting. Like I was gonna ask you what's the most things surprised you is this.

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah. He was like they're definitely not front of the pack. They're not even middle of the pack. You have two back of the pack dogs and we get videos of them on their like pack walks.

[Jason Tarek]

Yeah.

[Amanda Batula]

And my two are in the back.

[Jason Tarek]

I think our dogs get along because mine is the opposite.

[Amanda Batula]

Oh really?

[Jason Tarek]

He has to be. So he has. He looks like a gold and he's not. He's Anatolian, he's German. He's chow chow. He is.

[Amanda Batula]

Oh wow.

[Jason Tarek]

A Great Pyrenees. He's only 2% golden. So when he gets in, if he come came in here he would have to snip before he could say hello to anybody. Have to sniff the whole perimeter of everything so that like he understood his place. And even with walking him they're like listen. He'll listen to you. Here's how it's going to work. But he always is going to be all over the place. Cuz his sniffing is what create cuz he's a guard dog. He has to like. It's part of his DNA. You can't help it.

[Amanda Batula]

No.

[Jason Tarek]

My dog would be friends.

[Amanda Batula]

My little Reese just barks at everything and everyone so.

[Jason Tarek]

Well I got. You're giving me an opportunity to throw a chirp at Kyle. I got to throw a chirp at Kyle. We talked about swift, we've talked about the dogs, we've talked about Work, equity, creativity, ownership. Who you're reporting to on the topic of clean cleaning? I'm just curious, how is Kyle as a cleaner at home? Does he participate? Does he report to you? Do you report to him in the cleaning department?

[Amanda Batula]

Yes and no. So when we first moved into the apartment, I was, like, eager and willing to clean. Like, I would, you know, be cleaning the bathroom, cleaning the kitchen, like, really getting into it. And he'd be like, don't clean that. We'll hire someone to do it.

[Jason Tarek]

Okay.

[Amanda Batula]

It's still.

[Jason Tarek]

He's an outsourced guy.

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah, he's an outsourced guy, but I've never seen him pick up a duster once in my life. So, like, I'm doing the in between cleanings for sure. But he washes the dishes, he takes down the trash and the recyclables.

[Jason Tarek]

All right, so beat you up too bad, Kyle.

[Amanda Batula]

But he's not like, he's just doing daily chores. He's not doing, like, cleaning, cleaning. Like, I've never seen that man use Windex.

[Jason Tarek]

Yeah, yeah. You're running the show for Reese and Ryder. Before I kind of get off the topic of dogs, a couple questions for you. One, and I think this is a really important one. You rescued two.

[Amanda Batula]

Yes.

[Jason Tarek]

And rescuing is a huge task. Rescuing two is an even larger task. What advice would you give to anybody that. That's thinking about the process of. Of rescuing dogs?

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah, you have to give them time to adjust.

[Jason Tarek]

Yeah.

[Amanda Batula]

I think even if you have a brand new puppy that has, like, no trauma, the puppy phase is one of the hardest phases. It lasts for like three years almost. It's. It's chaotic. And I think that's when a lot of dogs will get returned or abandoned because they don't know what to expect. But you have to give the dog time. I think when I fostered, these two were my third time fostering, and we ended up adopting them. But with the first two dogs we fostered, we had to give them time to adjust and warm up. And it wasn't until the end of those two weeks that we had them, that their personalities just start to come out. So when you're adopting, you have to be patient with the dog. You have to, like, you know, understand boundaries and give them time to warm up and their personalities will come out and they will shine and they'll figure it out. But you can't just expect, like, adopt a dog and it come home and it's going to be like your best friend right away.

[Jason Tarek]

Yeah. It takes time. I think they Say that you need to be with them, like, pretty much every single day at almost every moment. Three days is when they start to get to know you. Three weeks is when they start to get an idea of their home. After three months of consistency, they're really in. I think while scouring your Instagram, I saw that you were doing some work with a shelter.

[Amanda Batula]

Yes.

[Jason Tarek]

I don't know. Tell me a little bit, because I'm like a huge proponent of all rescue. So, like, in shelters too, they're play huge roles. Tell me a little, little bit about that.

[Amanda Batula]

So it was with Swiffer, and that was shelter. The shelter. I went with Swiffer. So another reason I really wanted to work with Swiffer is because they love pets just as much as I do. They're a huge proponent for it. I mean, they even have like pet heavy duty dry cloths and pet heavy duty wet cloths, like, specific for animals. And then they work with nsala.

[Jason Tarek]

Cool.

[Amanda Batula]

So that's why I went there and I cleaned up, I played with puppies, I filmed some content. It was really fun. And one of my favorite stories actually from that experience is I posted some videos before because we had so much content from that day because I was just playing with puppies for like two hours.

[Jason Tarek]

Tough job.

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah. No content creation is so hard. So I posted some of the cute videos that I had of the dogs that I knew I wouldn't be using in my content. And one of my followers ended up adopting the one dog because she saw it on my story.

[Jason Tarek]

That is incredible.

[Amanda Batula]

And she sent me a photo. And now I get to follow this dog's journey. And they're just like the cutest little family, and it's the perfect thing. But I love that, Like, I loved fostering. Fostering is so rewarding to be able to, like, you know, give that dog, show it love, and then, like, give it to someone else. And this sort of reminded me of that. Like, I was with the dog for an hour.

[Jason Tarek]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Amanda Batula]

But I grew so attached, and I was like, I helped this dog find a home, and I think that's really awesome. So now I get to watch the puppy grow up.

[Jason Tarek]

You can't beat that. Nsa. Nsa, right? And it's Swiffer's partner. I think that's awesome. And shelter are just such an important piece of the puzzle with rescuing. And like, Teddy was at a shelter that was overcrowded, and it's all based on time. So if he was there another week, he would have been euthanized because of Overcrowding.

[Amanda Batula]

Well, the great thing about Nsala is they're a no kill shelter.

[Jason Tarek]

Wow.

[Amanda Batula]

And I think that's.

[Jason Tarek]

Yeah.

[Amanda Batula]

I mean, I'm not speaking for Swiffer, but I assume that's part of the reason that they work with them. Because you're like lmnop l mnop.

[Jason Tarek]

Because it's a lot different in the SO South. So.

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah. No, all of our rescues and fosters came from the South.

[Jason Tarek]

Wow. Amazing. I love it. All right, well, now we gotta transition to what everyone's been waiting for. A little bit of Summer House.

[Amanda Batula]

Okay, let's go.

[Jason Tarek]

So let's just talk about, like, when you go into this season after last season, what is your biggest concern? What is one thing from last season you didn't expect that you're like, this season I have to adjust. We've seen a lot of adjusting, by the way. Right?

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah.

[Jason Tarek]

We saw Jesse go from A to Z. We saw Wes go from Z to A. Like, people adjust season to season. What are you thinking about? About?

[Amanda Batula]

I. Nothing. I have no thoughts.

[Jason Tarek]

Come on, you gotta. There's trolls, there's noise, there's good, there's high, there's low, there's no thoughts.

[Amanda Batula]

No thoughts. I've been doing this for nine years now. @ this point, it's like, I. What if you don't like me, then you just, like, don't like me. I think last summer was actually one of my best summers ever. I was on my antidepressants for, like, five months at that point. I was feeling really good going into the summer. I think I was, like, my lightest and best that I've ever been last summer. So I'm not going to change that.

[Jason Tarek]

You've talked a lot about this. Even, like, I listen to a podcast and prep for this. You're getting ready for your wedding and you said you cried almost like, every day leading up to your wedding. Right. And on the show you've talked about the mental highs and lows and you just brought up antidepressants. So talk to me about, like, what has. It's been a journey for you.

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah.

[Jason Tarek]

So, like, from a mental health perspective, what if you had to summarize the journey? How would you summarize it? And what has been, like, the number one contributor to your overall sense of, like, calm, peace and happiness?

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah. I think the hardest part is, like, going through it. Like, when you're in it, you don't realize you're sort of in it. And as soon as you realize that, like, you're struggling and you need help. That's the moment that you should take action because it immediately changes your life. Like, going. I mean, I feel like part of the reason I wasn't really doing content creation was because I was depressed and any little task overwhelmed me and was so daunting for me. And now that I've changed that, it's like changed my whole world, really. Every. The fact that I was traveling so much last month and doing so many brand partnerships and deals is so it's 180 from where I was this time or like two years ago.

[Jason Tarek]

Because the depression paralyzed you.

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah.

[Jason Tarek]

And so has. Has the antidepressant been one of the key contributors?

[Amanda Batula]

I think that is the key contributor. And I try to do other things. You know, I attempt to go on walks. I attempt. Attempt. Not very active girl. I try to do other things. But, like, I'm more social now with my friends and stuff too. I'm more responsive. I try to, like, not back out of plans and. And just getting out there is super helpful and connect. Reconnecting with my friends because they cut a lot of people off. I just, like, was sad. Depression. Yeah. I just didn't want to talk to anyone. It was overwhelming. So, yeah, I think the medication really has, like, pushed me. I should be going to therapy too. We're still working on that.

[Jason Tarek]

Okay. I got a question. I'm getting in the weeds a little bit and have been very open about my journey towards it. I went to a psychiatrist, met with them, and then they diagnosed me. Me. Did you? For you to get to the point where you're like, okay, this is what I need and this is what's going to change my life. Like, what direction was that through? Like a general doctor? Was a psychiatrist. Was it a friend? Like, what was like the thing if someone's hearing this.

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah.

[Jason Tarek]

And they're like, I need the next step.

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah.

[Jason Tarek]

I don't even know where to get prescribed. But what was the next step for you or the first step?

[Amanda Batula]

So for me, going to see a doctor was a huge hurdle. Like, I was feeling so low that the idea of like finding a doctor, calling someone, like making an appointment, getting dressed, leaving my apartment, was too much for me. So I filled out a questionnaire. I thought I had anxiety, so I'm ready to get like, anti anxiety medication. It. The questionnaire, the whatever, I complete it. It comes back, it says that, like, you're moderately to severely depressed. And I was like, what? She's like, no, I'm anxious. They're like, no, you're depressed. And we're sending you medication right now. So that first medication, I didn't have to leave my apartment. And that was, like, huge for me to just be able to sit on my couch and do that and get prescribed a medication. It got me off the couch. It got me, like, filming during the summer. It got me to do what I needed to do. And then I went and saw a psychiatrist as well to help figure out, like, the perfect medication for me.

[Jason Tarek]

Sure.

[Amanda Batula]

And one that works. And just make sure that like. Like, it. Is it anxiety? Is it depression?

[Jason Tarek]

Wow. There's interesting intersection between anxiety, depression, and then, like, adhd, too. And what's interesting is, like, the prescripts for all those can do, like, night and day, like, way different things. So, like, finding out, like, specifically what it is, it's hard. Yeah, it's. It's. It's a different ball game. Speaking about different ball game. You're going into this season. When this season's over and wraps, you look back at this season. What do you want your brand to be? What do you want, like, your thing to be this season?

[Amanda Batula]

That is a tough question. So what's funny is I go into every summer with no expectations. Like, I don't know if I'm a producer's dream or a producer's worst nightmare because I have no storyline. Like, I. They asked me, like, what's going on in your life? Like, what are you doing? What do you see for yourself this summer? And I was like, nothing. And I just, like, go with the flow and always falls in my lap.

[Jason Tarek]

Up.

[Amanda Batula]

So I. And I think that's also sort of what makes me different too, is I'm not thinking about, like, what my journey is going to look like. I'm just on the ride.

[Jason Tarek]

Yeah.

[Amanda Batula]

So I don't know what the end of the summer is going to look like for me. It's going to be a mystery to all of us.

[Jason Tarek]

A lot of your pressure. It feels like I could be wrong. But they're going to want to know what's next with you and Kyle. Where are you living? Are you having kids? Are you getting another dog? What's going on? Are you prepared to step into that?

[Amanda Batula]

Yes and no. So I'll tell you a secret. Well, I don't know if I've talked about this before. So we filmed a scene where Kyle and I. He's asking me about, like, kids, and I was like, I don't even know if I want kids anymore. Well, the reason I said that is because I'm so tired of being Asked, when are you gonna have kids?

[Jason Tarek]

Sure. Yeah.

[Amanda Batula]

I don't know when. Like, I don't know if I want to have kids now. Stop asking me about it.

[Jason Tarek]

Yeah. Get away.

[Amanda Batula]

I want kids.

[Jason Tarek]

Yeah, okay.

[Amanda Batula]

I don't know when I'm gonna have that. Okay. I just don't know what that looks like for us. Us right now. Eventually, I want kids, but, yeah, I. I mean, Kyle's out DJing. Kyle's gone all the time. How am I supposed to. Like, I don't want to be a single mother. I'm happy to do it, but, like, I don't want to be married and have the responsibility of a husband while also being a single. You know what I mean?

[Jason Tarek]

Well, he might have to cut some.

[Amanda Batula]

Of those DJs while he's out partying and drinking. Not like, if he was work, like, doing hard work or, like, off at war. Like, certain things, like, I understand, but I'm not trying to raise kids by myself while he's. He's, you know, at the club.

[Jason Tarek]

I feel like you guys have always had a pretty good dynamic with just, like, you understand, that's what his. Like, he enjoys that.

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah.

[Jason Tarek]

And you're just like, whatever, where a lot of relationships don't. I remember when we. Last summer, I think we were there, and we. You guys were filming and everyone's together, and then we came to the club and you guys were all gone. I was like. I remember saying. I was like, is Amanda, like, cool with this? He's like, yeah, she doesn't care. She's good with it.

[Amanda Batula]

Get him out of my hair. Send him away.

[Jason Tarek]

Get him to the club, whatever. Let him go. No, literally, that's a good balance.

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah. Yes. No. And I know that he needs that, you know, I know that he needs to socialize, and he knows that I need to not socialize, so. And, like, if you're with. Safe with people that, like, I feel safe with, then, like, go out, do your thing.

[Jason Tarek]

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[Amanda Batula]

You know, the grass is always greener. You know, let us just, like, do our thing. We have some. Some things in progress. We're figuring out a game plan to make everyone happy. But, you know, Summer House is always going to stay true to Summer House, and it's going to be about partying.

[Jason Tarek]

Sure.

[Amanda Batula]

And that just means, like, I won't be able to do it forever. Yeah. Like, I should have quit five years ago.

[Jason Tarek]

Speaking of quitting, let's talk about it. We talked business here. Paige has built an empire. Of course. I mean, do you think it was a good business move for her to make this move?

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah. I mean, yes. She has so much going on. It's like she doesn't. Not that she doesn't need the show, but she doesn't have to lean on the show for, you know, publicity or to be in the public eye or to, you know, be able to continue growing her. Her own brand and her brands. So I think she need. The girl needed a break.

[Jason Tarek]

Yeah.

[Amanda Batula]

And I respect that a ton. She has so much going. I think she sits in this chair. Exactly. That's she is this. I think this is. Yeah.

[Jason Tarek]

Okay. It is.

[Amanda Batula]

This is. So.

[Jason Tarek]

Yeah, they. I mean, as someone who gets to see the industry from the forefront and behind the scenes, she's one of the most right now, like, demanded people to work with out there. So I can imagine how far. How much she's getting pulled as are you. By the way, is this surprising to you, what's happened with Summer House? Yeah, it feels like in the last year, Summer House went from just transparently like a.

[Amanda Batula]

A silly little show.

[Jason Tarek]

I would say like a. A geographically niched show.

[Amanda Batula]

Yes.

[Jason Tarek]

Like, it was a New York thing in la. They know shit about it like in the Midwest. No. Now countrywide, people are talking about summer house at a much higher level and much more engaged level than they are the Bachelor, which used to once upon a time be the show.

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah.

[Jason Tarek]

Is that surprising to you?

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah. I think our show is what we call on the bubble for so long. Whether it was like, will it or won' we going to get another season? We don't know. I think during the pandemic, people were looking for something to watch. We were one of the only shows that filmed during the pandemic because we were literally locked in our. In our house. So people caught up on all the seasons, you know, during the pandemic, they were able to start watching, getting into it. And I think the past two years, it's really. I mean, this past season, it's really blown up huge. Like, like, so unexpectedly, it's been ripping. People are shocked when I tell them I've been doing this for nine years.

[Jason Tarek]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Amanda Batula]

You're like, it hasn't been one. I thought it was just your first season. Like, no, it's been nine years of this. And I. I mean, walking around New York, people barely ever stop me.

[Jason Tarek]

Yeah.

[Amanda Batula]

Recently, I get stopped more frequently than ever. I just went and got a haircut. I got stopped three, three different times, like, on my way to my Uber.

[Jason Tarek]

Yeah.

[Amanda Batula]

So, yeah, it's blown up. It's. Yeah, it's gotten really big, and I never saw it coming.

[Jason Tarek]

Last summer house question I got for you. You mentioned Paige sits there.

[Amanda Batula]

I was like, are you holding my hands?

[Jason Tarek]

I need your help, sister. I'm lost. I'm depressed. No, but Paige sits over there. That means Hannah sits here. And it reminds me of, like, past cast members. If there were a couple people you could bring back onto the show, given all the moving parts that happens over the years, who are some of the past cast members you'd like to see back on Paige? Not including Paige.

[Amanda Batula]

Okay. I mean, we always talk about would love. I know Hannah would never do the show. I would love, like, you know, to have even with Sierra, too. That foursome, I think, would be so strong and so iconic that for some.

[Jason Tarek]

You guys have your own show.

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah, for sure. Maya. I miss her a ton. She was always, like, very witty, very fun, very straight to the point, very honest. I've actually seen ever since Luke left the show. We still keep in touch with Luke, too.

[Jason Tarek]

He's always surgeons.

[Amanda Batula]

He's always building and like, yeah, you're looking good.

[Jason Tarek]

You take it like, what's going on?

[Amanda Batula]

He's also Aging backwards.

[Jason Tarek]

I'm like, backwards.

[Amanda Batula]

Him and Kyle, I'm like, what are you guys drinking?

[Jason Tarek]

Kyle's like, on it.

[Amanda Batula]

No, it's doesn't age at all. No, I'm like, I gotta go get Botox and shitty rips.

[Jason Tarek]

Like, yeah, rip. So, like.

[Amanda Batula]

No, it's.

[Jason Tarek]

It.

[Amanda Batula]

It's in his jeans. It's ridiculous. But so maybe Luke. Maybe Luke. Maya y. Hannah, Everyone loves Andrea.

[Jason Tarek]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Amanda Batula]

And he's married now. He has his wife Lexi. So it could be fun to see them even just like, make an appearance.

[Jason Tarek]

But yeah. Lexi, real quick, one question. How good of friends with you were Lexi Wood? Yeah, that's a different Lexi. But, like, you said the word Lex. How close were you?

[Amanda Batula]

How close were you?

[Jason Tarek]

What was your question?

[Amanda Batula]

No, so, yeah, no, it actually is very warm.

[Jason Tarek]

No, it's warm. They have the AC off. We're almost done.

[Amanda Batula]

No. So Lexi and I were Instagram friends.

[Jason Tarek]

Okay.

[Amanda Batula]

So we followed each other on Instagram. We follow each other on Instagram and we would comment on each other's posts all the time. And I was like, oh, my God, this girl is so cute. And then we met at an influencer event, which I never go to those.

[Jason Tarek]

Yeah, you're not being influencer event girl.

[Amanda Batula]

I don't like socializing.

[Jason Tarek]

Yeah.

[Amanda Batula]

And if I'm not getting. No offense, if I'm not getting paid, I'm not going. But so we met at one of those. And we sat next to each other at the dinner and we totally hit it off. And then we took a bus ride home. It was in the Hamptons, so we took a bus ride home that night. And we just like, giggled the whole time in the. In the bus drinking Rose together. And I had mentioned Summer House to her, and that was two years before she got. Got ended up getting casted.

[Jason Tarek]

Okay. Oh, wow.

[Amanda Batula]

So I didn't even have any hand in her coming on the show. Yeah, she. That happened organically. And then so she reached out and she was like, hey, I'm joining Summer House. And I was like, amazing. So we only met once and we were like, Instagram, this strong friendship.

[Jason Tarek]

Because a lot of what I did, again, I put out. I always like to put it out to the listeners and see what they say. And a lot of them were asking about. Yeah, before and after. It feels like it wasn't. Is it was a Instagram friend thing.

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Jason Tarek]

All right, we're going to wrap with this section and then we're done. We're going to get your trading secret, but we have to touch on it. Everyone wants to know loving money. You and Kyle.

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah.

[Jason Tarek]

Like, do you guys have any type of systems or anything that you do? You both have big incomes coming in. You got equity in different businesses. You have all this stuff going on. Like, how do you guys manage it? How do you split bills? Do you have any hard rules, any advice out there for people that are, like, in that world, splitting bills with their significant other and things like that?

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah. So one thing that Kyle and I do, we have separate bank accounts.

[Jason Tarek]

Okay.

[Amanda Batula]

We do not have. We never combine bank accounts. We have separate bank accounts. We always have. I don't. Maybe one day when we have kids, we'll figure that out. But, like, right now, it's just easier to keep it separate.

[Jason Tarek]

Yeah.

[Amanda Batula]

That way he can spend his money on what he wants to. I can buy my things and he can't say anything about it.

[Jason Tarek]

Little 15.

[Amanda Batula]

My 15 in my bag. Yeah, exactly. He's like, what the hell are you buying? I was like, it's not your money. It's none of your business way. But, you know, he pays rent and the bills, and then I'm buying. Like, I've decorated the whole apartment. I was making a lot of those big purchases. I do all the food. Like, everything else that's around the apartment, I'm purchasing. So we sort of work it out that way.

[Jason Tarek]

Cool.

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah.

[Jason Tarek]

That's great. You gave one piece of advice for people to highly consider a prenup.

[Amanda Batula]

Yeah.

[Jason Tarek]

Knowing what you know now, like, living together and all the businesses and, like, working on that. Is there any other piece of advice you give to anybody as it relates to just like. Like, money management, maybe something you would have done differently?

[Amanda Batula]

I always. I think the biggest thing is if you can, keeping your account separate. I. I always thought I was going to have a very traditional lifestyle. Like, I was going to get married. We were going to have one bank account. He was going to go off at work. I was going to stay home with the kids. I was going to have his credit card, spend his money. But there's something very powerful if you're able to about, like, having your own money and just having your own account.

[Jason Tarek]

Account. Okay.

[Amanda Batula]

And even if it's not a ton of money, just like having your own income and your own account in some capacity, just having your own, you know, individuality. It's like a safety net, too. Yeah.

[Jason Tarek]

I love it. Well, Amanda, we have talked all things here from your life before the show to Swiffer Sweep and Mop Deluxe.

[Amanda Batula]

Yes.

[Jason Tarek]

Dogs to summer house to all the things, all the different moving parts. A to Z, the la boo boos, the foo foos, the lexis, the pages, all the things. So thank you for coming on Trading Secrets, but as you know, we got a wrap with a trading secret. So I'm actually. I was on my plane right here. I'm like, I wonder what's. What's Amanda gonna bring to the table today? So what trading secret you got for me? What can you leave us with?

[Amanda Batula]

I asked Kyle and he left me. I asked Kyle and he left me a voicemail.

[Jason Tarek]

What did you ask him?

[Amanda Batula]

What should my trading secret be?

[Jason Tarek]

Okay, when did you ask him this?

[Amanda Batula]

This morning.

[Jason Tarek]

What did he say back?

[Amanda Batula]

You want me to play it for you?

[Jason Tarek]

He left you an audio note.

[Amanda Batula]

No, you left me a legitimate audio business breakdown. Here we go.

[Jason Tarek]

S.L. amanda's training seeker. What do we got? Every brand wants to have a lifestyle component. Every brand wants to be community built and community focused as a public figure and kind of quote unquote, an influencer. There's a very unique opportunity to do just that. So with Amanda Swim, Amanda B. Swim, I literally built it in the public eye. I tapped my community.

[Amanda Batula]

He's talking as me built the brand.

[Jason Tarek]

Based on real time feedback. And every company wants to be nimble in addition to being community focused and lifestyle driven. But if you can actually react in real time and take feedback into consideration when you do your next drop, etc, etc, you have an opportunity for not only people to feel involved, but for people to feel like they're kind of buying in because they're watching you not only build in real time, but also respond and react in real time.

[Amanda Batula]

And that was pretty good.

[Jason Tarek]

That was pretty ready.

[Amanda Batula]

That's my trading secret.

[Jason Tarek]

That's a trading secret. You can give us one little tap on that, Give us a little cherry on top. How would you add to that?

[Amanda Batula]

No, it's all. It's all about community. I think that the. The strength that I have is, like he said, being able to tap into your community and get feedback real time and make those changes and, you know, leverage my community and the platform that I've been given. I'm. I literally created swimsuits based off of people's feedback from my first drop.

[Jason Tarek]

Yeah.

[Amanda Batula]

And I think that that's huge.

[Jason Tarek]

I love it. You are there. Are there the people out there that like, they're a star? They're a star. They're a star in their own way. You're such a unique star. Like, you really are, and you're blowing up. It's fun. To watch. I told my mom's always a big Bravo person so when someone up for bravo I have to tell her the first thing she said was she said she is someone that just exudes class.

[Amanda Batula]

And I love that's so sweet. She clearly hasn't watched the show too.

[Jason Tarek]

Much but she sees on Instagram.

[Amanda Batula]

Oh thank you Amanda.

[Jason Tarek]

Thank you so much for training the secrets. We can't wait to watch this season and we will stay tuned to everything you have going on.

[Amanda Batula]

Yes.

[Jason Tarek]

Before we did though, tell us like.

[Amanda Batula]

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[Jason Tarek]

Okay.

[Amanda Batula]

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[Jason Tarek]

Okay.

[Amanda Batula]

And at drink lover boy and at how high flower and I think that's it.

[Jason Tarek]

All the things make sure you check out Amanda Batula swim too. The the pieces are awesome. You're killing it Amanda. Thank you for being on training Secret.

[Amanda Batula]

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[Jason Tarek]

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[Amanda Batula]

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[Jason Tarek]

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[Amanda Batula]

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[Jason Tarek]

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[Amanda Batula]

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[Jason Tarek]

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