255. Tyler Cameron & Tate Madden: From contractor work and DIY to realtor and building their own brands, BTS of new business ventures, life updates, and planning for the future

Summary

Trading Secrets Episode 255: Tyler Cameron & Tate Madden—From DIY to Realtor to Building Brands

Release Date: September 29, 2025 | Host: Jason Tartick

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Episode Overview

This “update episode” brings reality TV star and entrepreneur Tyler Cameron and his partner, social media personality Tate Madden, back to the podcast for a high-energy look at their recent life and business pivots. Jason Tartick dives deep with the couple on the inside track of Tyler’s leap into luxury real estate with powerhouse brokerage Sirhant, their approach to hands-on home renovations, Tate’s breakout as an interior designer and creator, financial transparency, long-term planning and lessons from the trenches of personal branding and business-building.

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Main Topics & Key Discussion Points

1. Tyler’s Real Estate Pivot: Joining Sirhant

• [01:18] Tyler shocks some followers by signing with the Sirhant Group as a realtor, despite his established brand as a contractor, model, and entrepreneur.
• He emphasizes his lifelong love of working with people and a passion for real estate:

  “Sometimes I’m up at 11:30 at night on Zillow because I can’t sleep—I just love finding deals.” – Tyler, [01:45]

• For Tyler, real estate brokerage offers flexibility missing in contractor work. He’s still building and flipping homes, but not taking on outside clients day-to-day:

  “General contracting, you’ve got to be on the job every day... being a realtor is so much more fluid.” – Tyler, [02:50]

• He confirms he won’t be joining Sirhant’s “Owning Manhattan” Netflix show, joking,

  “I’m not a part of any of that… I’m just trying to own Jupiter!” – Tyler, [03:35]

• The draw to Sirhant was exposure, deal flow, and mentorship over going solo:

  “I’ve been in a week and already have buyers looking for over $10 million... The doors Sirhant opens are incredible.” – Tyler, [04:14]
  “Team culture is the best culture. I’ve played sports my whole life—I love being part of a team.” – Tyler, [06:20]

2. How Realtors Get Paid—Peeling Back Commission Structure

• [07:15] Jason and Tyler break down standard commission splits, earning structure, and thresholds for luxury property sales.

  “You eat what you kill… usually it’s 6% split between buyer and listing agent, but it’s ultimately up to the seller.” – Tyler, [07:15]

3. Renovations, Real Numbers, and Real Estate Strategy

• [13:29] The couple offers actual figures on their home reno:

  “We gutted the whole house—spent around $250–$300k. Bought it for $660k.” – Tyler, [13:37]
  “Houses not updated our size are selling for $800k… we could probably get $1.1–1.2 million.” – Tyler, [14:11]

• They’re holding not flipping, betting on upcoming neighborhood development:

  “If I can hold this house five, ten years, that’s where the money’s made.” – Tyler, [14:27]

• Renovating together was a relationship test:

  “In the moment, I’m like, wow, we’re starting our relationship diving into work… If we can get through this, we can get through anything.” – Tate, [12:19]

4. Tate's Brand Ascent: From DIY Struggles to Social Media Success

• [09:04] Initially hesitant, Tate found confidence through virality and community support for her home design projects:

  “I was trying to find a bad comment [after the first reveal], and there wasn’t one… it was such a good feeling because I did enjoy it so much.” – Tate, [10:31]

• She draws inspiration from her resourceful mother, tackles self-doubt, and openly talks imposter syndrome and public facing anxiety:

  “I’m still working on that—I get my feelings hurt. He always says, ‘Don’t read the comments.’” – Tate, [09:40] “Part of me wants to rise up to the challenge and prove to myself I can be that person.” – Tate, [22:56]

• Tate’s approach to monetization: quadrupling her old salary post-firing.

  “Before Tyler fired me, I was making $60K. I’ve now outpaced that by, like, quadruple.” – Tate, [24:47]

5. Building Empires vs. Facing Fears—Division of Talent

• [19:45, 20:00] Jason and Tyler encourage Tate to expand into her own design firm. Tate is candid about her anxieties with difficult clients and business pressure.

  “If you have such a skillset at designing, but the business stuff you’re not strong at—just hire a business operator. You just be the artist.” – Jason, [22:02] “I don’t like people being upset with me. So designing for clients gives me a lot of anxiety… but maybe it’s just growing pains. The competitive side of me says to rise up to the challenge.” – Tate, [21:25; 22:56]

6. Long-Term Relationship Talk

• [15:24] The couple navigates the pressure of next steps:

  “You need a ring guy. I got a ring guy.” – Jason, [15:25] “I’d marry him in a second, but I want it to be that he wants to marry me.” – Tate, [15:52] “We’re making all those strides. I definitely see us there.” – Tyler, [15:45]

7. Best Flip and Buy-and-Hold Philosophy

• [17:29] Tyler describes his most profitable flip—his mom’s house:

  “Bought for 450, put 250 in, appraised at $1M. But my whole goal is buy and hold, not sell.” – Tyler, [17:53, 18:35] “I remember as a kid, my dad said, ‘I bought your mom’s house for 90 grand in ‘93. Now it’s worth a million.’ … If you just buy and hold, 30 years later, the house is worth a million dollars.” – Tyler, [18:48, 19:13]

8. Brand, TV & Virality—Dealing With Public Scrutiny

• [27:03] The couple hints at returning to TV (“we have some fun ideas up our sleeves”), and Tate opens up about dealing with harsh social media feedback for her viral content:

  “People are telling stories about you that aren’t true. It’s hard to not defend yourself… It was a learning curve.” – Tate, [29:36] “My dad’s currently banned on TikTok for defending her!” – Tyler, [30:14] “There’s one side where I love the passion of the parents… At the same time, we’ve had some talks. ‘Let’s all just say it in the family group chat and not air it out.’” – Tate, [31:09]

9. Future Income Goals & Trading Secrets

• [37:52] Jason pushes for concrete goals:
  • Tyler: “$50 million in sales by end of 2026—hopefully $1.5 million in commissions.” – [37:55]
  • Tate: “I’d like to make close to half a million in a year and a half.” – [38:08]
• Trading Secrets:
  • Tate: “Fake it till you make it.” – [38:31]
  • Tyler: “Use your network and voice what you want to do. Opportunities will connect.” – [38:36]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I love pleasing people, making sure they get what they need… So, boom. I’d be a great realtor.” – Tyler, [01:45]
• “He fired you, and now you’re killing it. Now you’re glowing and thriving.” – Jason, [01:12]
• “If I said no [to a $700k listing], that probably turns down any opportunities with that person.” – Tyler, [08:15]
• “Fake it till you make it.” – Tate, [38:31]
• “Just voice what you want to do. Suddenly the opportunities connect and stuff starts happening.” – Tyler, [38:49]

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Recap Segment Highlights

(w/Jason & David)

• Good-natured banter about New York City, Ryder Cup experiences, and choice business advice for listeners.
• Additional praise for Tyler’s work ethic and the couple’s business compatibility.
• Open discussion on the value of “buy and hold” real estate versus flipping.
• Warm endorsement of Tate’s relatability, creative vision, and growing online influence.
• Honest look at imposter syndrome, family dynamics under the social media microscope, and the importance of having a supportive (and protective!) inner circle.

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Timestamps: Key Segments

• 01:18 — Tyler on the decision to join Sirhant
• 04:00 — Power of the Sirhant Group & deal flow
• 07:15 — Realtor compensation, commission breakdown
• 09:04 — Tate’s rise in interior design & viral moments
• 13:29 — Actual home reno numbers & equity gained
• 15:24 — Relationship longevity and marriage talk
• 17:29 — The story of Tyler’s best real estate flip
• 19:45 — Buy & hold investing vs. flipping
• 21:25 — Tate’s honest take on business anxiety
• 22:02 — The “hire your weakness” advice
• 24:47 — Earnings transparency: Tate’s 4x jump
• 27:03 — TV plans, relationship dynamic, social media hate
• 37:52 — Tyler & Tate’s bold financial goals
• 38:31 — Closing “trading secrets”

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Takeaways and Tone

This episode is quintessential Trading Secrets: practical, personal, transparent, and punchy. With humorous banter and real numbers, Tyler and Tate offer an honest look at entrepreneurship, love, and building brands. Their approach is both refreshing and instructive—an inspiring listen for dreamers, creators, and business-builders alike.

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Find Tyler & Tate

• Socials: @TylerJCameron, @Ta_Da
• Substack: Sable Living by Tate and Ty

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Transcript

[A]

Foreign. Welcome back to another episode of Trading Secrets. Today we are joined by reality TV and Jupiter's Florida's favorite couple, Tyler Cameron and Tate Madden. Many of you know Tyler from his numerous reality TV appearances, more specifically in Bachelor Nation, where he was looking to find love. Little did he know that true love was right under his nose. Having met Tate while working at his company in Florida, Tyler and Tate have continued working together in their own entrepreneurial endeavors, including a new career pivot for Tyler, which we'll talk about here and what Tate is up to. We're going to talk about all things. They've been on the pod before. Last time you're on the pod, you told me your whole story of how you guys met. You tried to lie to me and say that she was spinning a for sale or clearance sign. I. I called out the bullshit from a mile away. I learned how you actually met, and I even learned that you fired Tate.

[B]

I didn't. Well, yeah, actually, I did fire Tate.

[A]

You did fire her.

[B]

Yeah, I did fire her.

[A]

Yeah. You fired your girlfriend.

[C]

I'd still be working really hard, you guys.

[A]

That's true. But no, no, no. He fired you, and now you're killing it.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Now you're glowing. Thanks to you. And thriving. Yes.

[C]

Thanks to you.

[A]

We're crushing it. All right. We're doing an update episode here. Cause you guys always have so much going on, and it happened so quickly. That's why I was like, while you're here, we got to sit back down. Recent news, you just signed with the Sirhant Group. I think a lot of people were surprised by that. They're like, wait a second, Tyler's going to go be a realtor? He's going to go work for someone else. He builds his own stuff. He's got his own Airbnb. He had his own TV show. He's a model, he's a creator. Now he's going to go be a reality realtor. Talk to me about that decision.

[B]

Yeah. So, you know, I was. I think we're all trying to figure out what our passions are, what our gifts are and whatnot. And, you know, I kind of wrote this in my substack the other day that I think my gift is just being and working with people, and I'm a people person sometimes. It's exhausting for Tate, but also my.

[C]

Favorite thing about him.

[B]

Yeah, But I just love working with people. I love pleasing people, like, making sure, like, they get what they need, they're happy, all that. But, you know, so I was like, okay, what is that? You know, that's one of my favorite things to do is be with people and help people and work with people. The other thing I love to do is just look through Zillow, look at real estate. I'm always on loop net Zillow. Anything you can look at, I'm always looking at for real estate. And she. It's like, well, it's like 11:30 at night, I can't sleep and she rolls over. It's just me on Zillow, you know? And so I was like, what if I combine my two passions? Because I'm always finding real estate for myself, and now I've started finding it for my friends recently. And then I combine with people. I'm like, boom, I'd be a great realtor. So. And another thing too is like, being a GC is very, very difficult.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

General contractor. Building houses and working for other people. You know, when you have clients, you got to be on that job every single day to make sure it's getting done correctly. But, you know, I can still do that in the capacity of just building my own projects. So I'll still do spec homes or my own houses. I'll renovate and flip. But I just have a hard time being able to go out and do others right now. I'm working on finding a partner to do that stuff with, but right now it's just too much on my plate. But real estate, being a realtor is so much more fluid than a contractor. You have to be there day to day.

[A]

Gotcha. Will you go on the Realtor reality television show Owning Manhattan under Sirhan?

[B]

No, I'm not a part of any of that.

[A]

So you won't be part of the show at all?

[B]

No.

[A]

So, okay.

[B]

I mean, owning Manhattan, I'm in Jupiter.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm just trying to own Jupiter.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So they just. They just filmed season two. It comes out December 5th, which is exciting. It's. It's going to be a rock star show once again. I mean, they're on Netflix. They got another. They were like the fastest show that. Like, one of the fastest shows to get a second season.

[A]

They popped and they popped quick. Yeah, why not? If you're going to be a realtor? And Tate, I'm coming in a second. But if you're a realtor, why not just create your own firm? Why go to Sirhands?

[B]

Because the power in Sirhan is incredible. I've witnessed it from, you know, just being there. I've been there one week. I've had two people coming to me about, you know, that are buyers trying to buy over $10 million. I got another person coming to me about.

[A]

Wait, people are putting $10 million listings on your table already?

[B]

No, they're coming to me to help them find 10 million.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

I got people coming to me about. About a new development, you know, and the Hope Sound, Jetson Beach, Stewart area to do a bunch of townhomes. Like. Like, I think it just opens so many doors. And then when you talk about what's already been done in Palm beach county, the Sirhan, you know, Realty is number one, and two after two years are already number one.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

In Delray beach, they're doing 750 million a year.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

And I mean, and before her name was there, it was probably 50, 60 million at that same brokerage. And now the SIR stamp is on it. And he's. He's there. He's a. He's a motor.

[A]

Yeah. He's a beast.

[B]

He's. He's. Any listing, any big listing, he's there. He supports his people. He supports his team. There's no bigger momentum in the real estate game than Sirhan.

[A]

He's been on the podcast. He's an absolute beast. Tate, are you going to be involved in this business at all? Are you going to be a Realtor?

[C]

I don't think I'm going to be a realtor.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

But I do want to just add a little something into that. I think why you want to start your own is I think one of the best things about Tyler is he knows when he isn't the best in a certain field, and he enjoys learning. So obviously, he has more doors that open up in the position that he's in to meet these people, to teach him. And he is one of the most excited people I've ever seen. Like, when he meets certain people that inspire him to just want to learn, sit, learn, talk. Like, he will talk to people for hours. So I think that Ryan was, like, the perfect person for him to come into contact with because he's just, I think, looks up to him.

[B]

And even, like, the local guys, Christian Practice, who's my broker, and. And, you know, now we're basically training every morning together. And he's, you know, I'm. We're working out together. I'm teaching in the gym. He's teaching me real estate, you know.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm just soaking up everything, you know, Bill Volpe, like, you know, great names that are doing such big things on there. They just took me in, you know, and it's it's, you know, I was kind of concerned, like, are people gonna be like, oh, who's this? Joe Schmo? Sure, he's hot. From reality television. No, they're like, yeah, you're part of.

[A]

The family type vibe.

[B]

And I love being a part of a team.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

You know, like, I've played football my whole life. I've played sports my whole life. Like, team culture is the best culture.

[A]

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[B]

You eat what you kill.

[A]

Really? That's it?

[B]

Yeah, eat what you kill. You got to go sell to make money.

[A]

That's right. Like percentages, 3 to 5%, something like that.

[B]

Well, Realtor typical is like listing agent is three, buying agent is three. It can vary, of course. Like, but usually it's 6% of the deal is always say for the realtors.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And then it can vary because really it's all in control of the owner of the house. So the owner can be, I want to give up 4% or 3% and then they have to figure out how to divvy it up.

[A]

Okay, so it's all based on that. When do you have like a dollar amount of a house you want to meet is a minimum threshold. Like I want to only sell properties over a million dollar value. Or do you have that threshold?

[B]

No, I think especially now I'm cutting my teeth. Like, yeah, I'd be happy to take anyone's home. Okay, I just got a listing for 700k.

[A]

Let's go.

[B]

And I'm thrilled, you know, like, and like, and like, honestly, that's the market I buy in a lot. Yeah, that's the market I really, really know. Well, because I'm, I've always been buying those houses to turn into short term rentals and whatnot. So like, I'm excited to hop into this one and, and what's cool about like, you never know who you're selling for. And the person that is. Has got this house. He's also a developer. Like, he's a big. This is just, like, a fun flip that he's doing. So it's like he hit me up. I was like, heck, yeah, I'll do this. You know, if I said no, that probably turns down any opportunities more with that person.

[A]

Yeah. And it's like you've created this interesting spiderweb where you meet the developer. You could sell his home, and the developer can then help you with other projects that could touch other things. I love it. It's so smart. We'll come back to real estate. But for Tate, right now, you are ripping on social media. You're killing it out there. You are now, like, building your own brand in a massive way. I think you and I did a funny video where you and I were, like, sitting by the pool, sipping margaritas. Tate was, like, ripping down drywall, taking off the wallpaper. You're in it. It feels like interior design, like, is a big part of your brand right now. Tell me about, like, what is your vision as you continue to thrive within.

[C]

Building a brand now, honestly, right now, I'm just going with the flow in a bit. I kind of dove into this spontaneously because we were, you know, redoing our house. And I've always loved design, but I never thought I'd. You know, you always question, like, am I good at this? Am I not good at this? And I was very nervous when I first. When we first were discussing, like, oh, like, let's start doing reveals of our house. And I was kind of like, okay, like, I don't know.

[A]

What were you nervous about? Like, what people would say about your design?

[C]

Yeah, I'm still working on that. I think I'm new to all of this still. And so, I mean, he always has talks with me as far as, like, stop reading things, stop doing that. You know, I get my feelings hurt and whatnot, and I think I'm getting better at it. But, yeah, like. Like, he always says, like, you can read a million good ones, and then you're always going to fixate on that one bad one that's real. And it's so. It was so true with me. I'm like, well, why do they think that of me? Like, I need to explain myself. Like, I need to explain to them that, like, no, I'm a good person. And it's like, at the end of the day, it's like, people just want to say what they want to say, and it's fine. So I think going into doing, like, our first reveal, I was just nervous, like, oh, people are gonna say I'm stupid, or like, oh, look at this girl trying to, like, be someone.

[A]

Blah, blah.

[C]

But the reaction, honestly, was.

[B]

Went crazy.

[C]

There was.

[A]

People love it.

[C]

I was trying to find a bad one. And they. And there wasn't. And it was such a good feeling because I did enjoy it so much. Grant. There was. There was times where we were really knee deep in some. Where I was like, maybe I don't enjoy this.

[A]

Wait, like, you two or the project.

[C]

Just the pro.

[A]

Like, oh. Oh.

[C]

Just so much going on. Like, everything's ripped apart. Like, we have half of our stuff in storage, half of our stuff at this apartment we're living in right now while our house is being renovated. Half. Like, then there's another. Like, we had a pod in our driveway that we had other stuff. So it was just, like, chaos. Chaos. I was overwhelmed. It was just anxiety.

[B]

And you're also, like, working. Like, we would work on the house from sun up to sundown, get in bed. We're still, like, trying to buy and shop for the next day of things we need to do.

[C]

Like, and mind you, we're, like, in the.

[A]

You're doing it yourself. You're in the weeds.

[C]

Yeah, we had help, but, like, a lot of, like, the bigger projects, like, I mean, my mom's a badass. I grew up with her. I mean, I'm one of six siblings. She. We didn't have a lot of, like, savings, so if she wanted an upgrade to our house, like, she was gonna figure it out herself and, like, make it happen. So I always watched her, and I was like, wow. Like, I love that she can do that stuff. So I always wanted to learn.

[A]

So she was like, your inspo for a design perspective.

[C]

And we flew her in a couple times. I mean, she would have. I mean, she's just the best in the whole universe. And so when we went into it, I'm like, yeah, I'm like, I'm gonna do this, this, and this. Then everything starts getting ripped out, and it starts to seem so big, and you start to get buried, and it's, like, claustrophobic. And you're like, oh, my gosh, what did I just commit to? So there were some things where I was like, you get people on the phone. You get them here right now.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

To help me. But other stuff. Yeah, Like, I did it myself. And it. I'm really proud now that it's over. But. But in the moment, I'm like, wow, we're really just like, starting our relationship.

[A]

Diving into work, just.

[C]

Yeah. Diving into dating work. Like, no one even knows we're dating yet. Like, there's that whole, like, balance of, like, that's new, too. We also thought we could live in the house. Then we're, like, moving into this small apartment with my sister and her boyfriend. And, like, we have all the dogs and, like, it was a lot going on. And now that we're over it, I was like, dang, if we can get through this, like, we really can get through anything. Cause we were thrown to the trenches, like, straight out the gates. So it was hard. But in the end, I think the reaction to people and, like, seeing that they really enjoyed what we gave them. As far as, like, the reveal goes, it was a definitely, I can say, like, a very proud moment for me. I was like, I did that. Like, we did that.

[B]

It also was, like, kind of like, okay, we belong in this space.

[A]

You could do it.

[B]

Yeah, we can do this.

[A]

You can do it. Let me ask you this. We'll talk a little bit about what your future looks like with design and what your plan is. But before we do that, you've done a bunch of renovations. You did the gym, you did the showings. People love this stuff. Talk to me about, like, for each one of the projects you're showing, how much are you spending on those projects? Give me an idea of how much time and then give me an idea of, like, what you think it actually translate into increased equity if you had to guess those things for your. All your projects.

[B]

Yeah. So I think in total, we've probably. I mean, we've gutted our whole house. We ripped it to the freaking studs.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Everywhere, you know, And I think in total, we've probably spent around 250 to $300,000.

[A]

Doing it all.

[B]

Doing it all.

[C]

And what'd you buy for? What do we buy for?

[B]

Like, I mean, we bought the house for 600.

[C]

What did we buy for?

[B]

Honey, we bought it for 660, put.

[A]

300 in, and we.

[B]

And we put about 300 in. So we're about 960 now. I think homes, like, we've already seen homes selling for, like, you know, our size. Not updated for $800,000. So I think we're in an area where, like, we could probably get 1.1, 1.2.

[A]

Nice.

[B]

I still need to put some money in the exterior, but that's. Now, I don't think this is a buy and sell now. To ever make money.

[A]

You're holding it.

[B]

This is a buy and hold. There's major developments happening two streets from us that is going to bring massive, massive amounts of money.

[A]

Gotcha.

[B]

That, like, if I can hold this house for 10 years. Five, 10 years. That's where the money's made.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

So this one, you know, we bought it. We probably spent a little bit more than what the house deserved. To be honest with. Every house has an amount you shouldn't spend over. Then you're just. Then you're just like gold. Gold plate in the house.

[A]

Well, if it was six. If it was, let's call it 650. And you spend 325. That's 50% of the actual cost of the house, which typically is more than you would put into a house. Right. So like, so.

[B]

Exactly. But we also, like, this was like this, like, the more we got into it, the more like, oh, we love it in this neighborhood.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We could see ourselves being here long term.

[C]

We originally started renovating. He was like, I want to be here for like two years.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Cuz then you get the portability taxes. You don't have to pay taxes on it. You go up, you just go push it, defer it to the next house.

[A]

I love it.

[B]

So that was my plan.

[A]

You're teeing me up here. You're talking about that I'm going to come back to real estate. I'm coming back to interior design. But you're talking about long term here. I mean, how's long term planning going with the relationship here?

[B]

It's going really well.

[A]

You need a ring guy. I got a ring guy.

[B]

I know you got a ring guy.

[A]

So any long term planning? Any updates there?

[B]

Yeah, I think things are going in a great direction. I think. I definitely hate scouring, you know, I.

[C]

Just don't want to be that girl. Let me be honest. Like, you know, you don't want to ever be the girl. It's like, when am I gonna. When are you gonna propose to me? So I just kind of keep my mouth shut on this.

[B]

No, we're definitely making all those strides and yeah, I definitely see us there.

[A]

Right, let's go. All right, back to business here.

[C]

I would marry him in a second, but I want it to be he wants to marry me. I don't want to be like, I do want to.

[B]

No, I do want to marry you.

[C]

Do you? How bad?

[A]

Yeah, say it now, bitch.

[C]

Yeah. Come on. What's about to happen?

[A]

Are we doing this right here, right now?

[B]

But. But yeah, so so next question.

[A]

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[B]

My mom's house.

[A]

Okay. And give me the numbers.

[B]

So my mom's house was appraised at $450,000. And that was before renovations. And, and, and that's a true number because houses in that area at that time were still selling that were beat up and old like my mom's 504, you know, like. So that was like a true good number. We put 250 into the house. It appraised for $1 million once we were done.

[A]

Wow. So, oh, my gosh.

[B]

So. So you say, what, 250 on 450? 675. A million dollars. So, you know, so then 300, 325 on the profit.

[A]

That's a big one.

[B]

Yeah. So we only pulled out. I only pulled out what I put into it. So I pulled out the reason why I got it appraised because I had refinanced it, pulled out the 225 so then I can get my money out of it now, split the profits with.

[A]

My brother, split the profits, then go invest something else. And now additionally you'll be able to sell that house. Right.

[B]

So never sell it. Never sell it. That's the childhood.

[A]

No, I mean, you'll be like, any house. You'll be able to actually sell the property and make money off that.

[B]

Exactly, exactly.

[A]

Yeah. Ye.

[B]

But my whole goal is to buy and hold.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

Buy and hold.

[A]

Buy, hold.

[B]

Because I remember as a kid, like, talking to my dad, My dad was like, you know, like, I bought your mom's house for 90 grand in 1993. And I'm like, damn, why didn't you buy the whole block, Pop?

[A]

Sure.

[B]

You know, he's like, well, 90 grand was all I had.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, he's like, I had to steal from my job. Like, because he was a contractor, he's like, so I didn't pay any workers for two weeks and then to go buy the house.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

I deferred payments to everybody and then went. And then paid him a little bit more because I felt bad, you know?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he's like, but that's all I had, you know? And so, you know, if I can. And I saw some. My thought process, I was like, if you just buy and hold and 10, 20, 30, you know, that's 30 years later. Now the house is worth a million dollars.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's a good. Good appreciation, right?

[A]

Appreciation. Damn.

[B]

And because real estate, there's so many advantages to it. There's the appreciation, there's the depreciation, there's. Then there's the rental income that's building you equity. There's just such. It's just a. Such a good thing to do. And it's. So if you're making a lot of income, it goes against your income. It's great.

[A]

Plus, you have, like, the infrastructure. You have, you know, your dad's in the business, your brothers help out in the business. Tate is interior designer. You had a contracting company. You're now a realtor yourself. Like, you're building that whole empire.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Tate, let's talk about it. What's your empire gonna look like? Interior design. What do you do from here? Do you create a brand? Do you start going full Martha Stewart and writing books? Get your own show? Like, what does it look like?

[B]

I didn't tell Jason to ask this question.

[A]

Yeah. Is this something you ask often?

[C]

Wait, did you.

[B]

No.

[C]

Oh, I was like, what? No. Tyler tries to talk to me about this all the time because he would love for me to start a design firm. The thing about me is I am not. I don't have the same personality as Tyler. So, yes, I'm very outgoing. I love people, but in the sense of I'm social. He loves the challenge of taking someone who maybe is a little. I don't even know, like the words to say it. For example, our short term rentals, if there's a guest that's upset about something or whatever it may be, he is thrilled to go over these people. He gets fired up to go win them over, fix the problem, come back, he's like, they love me now. They asked me to go on the boat, they asked me to go fishing.

[B]

And me.

[C]

That gives me such anxiety and it makes me panic. And he doesn't really understand that because he's so different. Where if I. I've been a personal shopper for people.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Where I hate the confrontation. Like I'm such like a. I don't like people being upset with me. So the thought of designing for just like clients kind of gives me a lot of anxiety. Where it's like, you know, you're always gonna upset someone. Someone's always gonna want something cheaper, but then still want the product to be what is.

[B]

We call it champagne taste on beer budget.

[C]

Yes. Where it's like, if I can't deliver and it's like I don't know how to handle those type of people. Like he does so well.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, he thrives on it. And I kind of like cower, which I don't particularly like about myself, but it's something that I recognize Where I think that I would love if we were able to buy more properties and turn them into short term rentals, make fun themes for each of the houses and do that whole thing and then show them on social media. I think that would be super fun. But yeah. The whole design firm, which we're about to do again.

[A]

Can I challenge you?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, my thought I have is if you're the artist, if you're designing, that's your value add. If your forte, like the musician that's sitting at a concert, his value add is singing and playing the guitar. He doesn't know how to fucking negotiate. He doesn't know how to do his deals for the most part, his or her deals. So, like, if you have such a skill set at designing, but it's the business stuff that you're not strong at. Just hire a business operator to do all negotiations, all conversations, all conflict resolution. You just be the artist.

[C]

Yeah, no, that's, that's, that's really smart.

[A]

Right. Like if that's your skill set, which I think it is.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I Mean, that'd be great. Or I think there's other areas, too, like, daily.

[C]

Yeah, Haley.

[A]

Yeah, Right.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Or you can create your own. Like, you create your own book or your own thing that people can actually buy as opposed to, like, them buying your services, too. So you can still showcase your art.

[C]

Yes. I also think that it's something that might be just growing pain.

[A]

Sure.

[C]

Where I do, like, when he challenges me with that, because I think he believes in me so much, which is wonderful. And he thinks I'm so great. I think one, I get nervous of, like, letting him down, letting myself down. But I also am very competitive in the sense where I do have thoughts where I'm, like, rise up to, like, the challenge. Like, prove to yourself that you can, you know, be someone who you always were scared to be, in a sense, which also excites me in some way, but also makes me nervous. But I think that's life, and I think that you only get so far in life if you take those chances where you do things that make you nervous and make you uncomfortable. So, yeah, I go back and forth on like, hey, you know yourself. Be true to yourself. You understand what you want. But then also, the competitive side of me and the other side of me is like, no, Tate, you're better than this. Like, be someone who you maybe never thought you could be, and, like, prove to yourself that you can be that person. So it's always, you know, a little bit of a, you know, shifting.

[A]

But you've already, like, you. You're already. Since you've been on this podcast before, you've already proven in many ways that you can do this. Right? Like, think about what you're doing right now.

[B]

Let's actually we talk grown, and I think grown, too. Even just, like, the way you're communicating and talking on this podcast, you sound so much more knowledgeable and intuitive to what you are in this industry. Compared to, like, the last talk.

[A]

Yeah. Last time it was, like, she was nervous to come on. Now she's running the whole show. She's the host now. All right, well, let me ask you.

[B]

Thank.

[A]

So we talk a little money on this podcast. I don't know if you could share this. There's a point to it. How much were you making when. Before Tyler fired you?

[C]

I was making 60k.

[A]

60K. Okay. My question to you now. He fired you. You started your own little path. Have you outpaced that in earnings?

[C]

Yes, by, like, quadruple.

[A]

Let's go see, you're already my guy.

[B]

You're already Was that a rewire plus plug?

[A]

But no, you're. You set me up with your. Like, I'm worried about carving.

[B]

I think you guys had that. I think you guys had her surpass that. The first month you guys were working.

[A]

Together, all you said was just give us. I said, give me the go tape. We will do it for you.

[C]

And I said, you're my friend, Jason. I trust you.

[A]

And hell yeah, you're doing it yourself. No, I'm saying like it's you, it's. You're making it easy.

[B]

I will say. I mean, no one ever talks. I don't know if people ever talk about your business on. You're always talking about everyone else.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

It. Because I get to see it on her side and the way you guys work and the way you guys go get deals.

[C]

Get it.

[B]

Like, you guys hustle. You guys are like the probably the strongest outgoing agency there is.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I think appreciate that that is going like you're going to create such value. Well, you create such value already, but you're going to create such value for your brand and something big is going to happen.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Not to mention the team that you have, the people. There has not been a single person that I've communicated, like, communicated with that I just don't think is the most elite type of human ever.

[A]

Like, that's so sweet.

[C]

People who just care and they can also be your friend, but also, you know, they're grinding for it. Like, it's. Yeah, really.

[A]

I appreciate that. It's funny, when we started it, I was just like, we could do something different. I never expected it might be like the long term thing. And now it's like starting to outpace and outgrow everything else. Like. And that's, that's why I want you to do your interior design. Like, you never think in 10 years it will be this thing, but then it just happens and it kind of like your real estate like we're talking about, like, you just gotta do it. Just like go do it and then it. Watch it like become something you never could have imagined it become.

[B]

You gotta be. You just gotta go, you know, And I put one foot in front of the other. Keep doing the right thing and just good things start falling into place.

[A]

They fall into place.

[B]

You know, it's just. But if you sit and are stagnant and you're scared and you're nervous, you're just gonna be in the same place. You just have to move forward.

[A]

Okay. And we're literally telling you, we're literally telling You. You have no choice.

[B]

Exactly. Like, you just.

[C]

I'm gonna do it.

[B]

You guys, like, being uncomfortable. Makes you so much better.

[A]

A hundred percent. All right, let's talk about this a little TV time. I mean, you got. You had your own show. That's where you guys met. I got that pleasure of being on that show. What are you thinking, entertainment wise? Like, are you trying to get back on TV? Do you think reality TVs in your future? What does it look like?

[B]

Yeah, definitely. We're definitely working on some things.

[A]

Any dating shows? No, I'm just kidding. Don't answer that.

[B]

But no, we're definitely working on some things. You know, we're. We're trying to, you know, get Tate on, you know, on TVs. You know, I want her to. I want her to be my designer on the show. That would be like a dream.

[A]

Love it.

[B]

That's my dream date.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He's so soft and romantic these days.

[B]

No, I think that would be great. We have some fun ideas up our sleeves right now we're working on and, you know, hopefully we can make it make it back on the screen soon.

[A]

All right, let's go. Are you pitching a couple things out maybe? Yeah, we're working. Working.

[B]

I never stop working.

[A]

Never stop. You know, you're hustling in every single direction.

[B]

Emmy nominated, like, TV guys.

[A]

Does that mean because I was a guest on that show, does that mean I got Emmy nomination? Throw it down.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Wait, so. All right, let's talk about that. To get nominated for that means you have to, like, pay someone off. How's that work? No, throwing. Literally throwing a check at someone's story.

[B]

Miami nomination.

[C]

He thought someone was.

[B]

I'm walking, I'm walking. Like we're doing a little dog walk at the end of the night, and I get a call from our showrunner Chaz, who I remember Chaz. Love him to death. And Chaz goes, you just got nominated for an Emmy. I go, haha, Chaz, what's the joke? What's going on today? And he goes, no, I'm dead ass. And he sends me an article and then I sent it to my agent and. Or I sent it to Haley. And she's like, Like, I don't know what this is. She didn't think it's real either.

[A]

Just like, throw it out.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. And I was like, no, like, Chaz is saying, this is real. We should look at it. And then she dig. And then she's like, oh, shit.

[A]

Holy.

[B]

We just got an Emmy nomination.

[A]

So are you going to go?

[B]

Yeah, of course. Of course I'm going to campaign. I don't even think you can campaign. But I'm a campaign somehow.

[A]

That is. If you win, I will ship my. Actually, we'll all win an Emmy. We're all team.

[B]

We'll have a hell of a party.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. All right. Speaking of Emmys, what didn't get an Emmy was the video of you getting doused in milk dancing out there went, like, viral. I'm curious. You're new to this space. There was a lot of noise. There was a lot of, like, love for it, but there was also, like, a lot of, like, a lot of chirps and stuff. How did more hate. How do you feel? Like, I thought it was hilarious.

[B]

I think there's more love than hate, but it just depends on how you.

[A]

Definitely more hate, but, like. But that was, like, your first, like, dose of dealing with that. How did if, like, how did it impact you?

[C]

It was rough. I think it was my first situation where, wow. People are creating this entire narrative over something that, like, they weren't there. They actually don't know. And you see people storytell about you and, like, what things are as, like, a fact. And it's so hard to reel it in and not be like, explain yourself. Like, this isn't what happened. Like, you're wrong. Like, I'm not this. I'm not this. I'm not this. And that was definitely a learning curve for me because all I wanted to do was defend myself. Also, my parents want to defend me.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

My dad's like, oh, I'm about to. And I'm like, dad.

[B]

I think dad is currently banned on TikTok for defending her.

[A]

Wait, actually, your dad was in the comments, just ripping.

[C]

My dad has commented things back to people, like, saying bad.

[B]

Crazy.

[C]

Yeah. Actually, if they say bad things about.

[A]

Give me an example.

[B]

Like, he's like, he comment one time.

[C]

You can't be this dumb.

[B]

You can't be this dumb. You.

[C]

Yeah, let's step back.

[A]

Stop.

[C]

Yeah, I'm like.

[B]

I'm like. I'm like, Mr. Madden.

[C]

And he's like, I just don't understand. And I'm like, dad, like, I love you. Like, he'll just fight to the death for me.

[B]

My mom was the same way. I remember like.

[A]

Like, oh, your mom would get in the weeds.

[B]

I remember my mom. Someone com. I saw it on a Facebook post and someone commented about me and Hannah. We were walking down the boardwalk on our hometown date, and I was like, sure, let's we're getting ready to go dance after the boat. And they were like, someone comment, like, you know, if he was going on the tv, you think he'd lose a few pounds. And my mom goes, let me see your six pack fat ass.

[A]

I love it.

[C]

Yeah. There's one side of it where it's like, you know, I love the passion of the parents.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

There's no one that'll just like fight, protect their kids. Your parents, your, your parents. But at the same time, I think it's a learning curve for my whole family because my family is ride or die. So definitely we have had some talks. Like we all, like, let's all just say it in the family group chat.

[A]

I like it. I like it.

[C]

Like, let's not, let's go public, let's air it out.

[A]

Yeah. There's a whole, it's a whole different ball game out there. Yeah. And it impacts like now it impacts your business, which is crazy. Right?

[C]

So it's not like completely crazy.

[A]

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[B]

Tate's brand trip this weekend.

[A]

Actually, you're right. You are the.

[B]

I am the plus one.

[A]

You're the plus one. You're lucky you got invited. I'm the passenger you know, I'm talking about stock. Like, I would buy her stock right now.

[B]

Buy now?

[A]

I would hold yours.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I would hold you. I wouldn't sell yours.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

No, I'm just kidding. I'll buy yours. I'll buy your stock. Don't worry. A question I got about buy or sell or hold Bachelor Paradise. You watching it at all?

[B]

Have not watched it. Yeah, I do want to check it out, though.

[A]

Yeah. Okay. Any takes on what do you think? We're here. Love Island. People are here. We're seeing. I mean, we're literally talking about and seeing their success and everything. We're from the Bachelor franchise. What do you think, you know, business wise with Batch?

[B]

I think, I think this might be like a, you know, people. The Bachelor is such a serious show because it's about, like, getting engaged. Paradise is about getting engaged. So I think everyone's like, we need more mature people to be on the show. We need people that are older. But the older people, like, you know, I just don't think are as fun and like, bring the young, hot, sexy people back. Like, like, bring like. Hannah was 24, I think.

[A]

Yeah, I was 26. I was 29.

[B]

I'm a kid.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, like, bring, bring the fun, crazy kids. Like, Luke Parker was young. Yeah, he was a fan. He was the best villain in TV ever. Like, like, like bring, bring young, immature people because you're going to get crazy shit and it's going to be entertaining. Like, these are reality people. They're not geniuses. They're not. They're not, you know, like, like quit looking up to us. Just look at us as idiots. The idiots that we truly are here.

[A]

To entertain you fan base. We are idiots.

[B]

We truly are.

[A]

No. All right, that's fair. So a good take on that, but.

[C]

Good take on that.

[B]

Get younger. Get younger, I guess is what I would say.

[A]

Okay, so Bachelor franchise, you buy and you hold and you selling.

[B]

Holding.

[A]

Holding, yeah.

[B]

No. What do you think?

[C]

I think holding. I think over time it could if.

[B]

You know what, buy. Actually, wow, flipping the script here. I'm buying it. I like that they're trying to change. They have the noose. They're shooting a different way. Like, I think it looks prettier. I think it's going to take an adjustment for people. But like, Bachelor in the past was so, like, it was old. Like, I remember when I was on the show six years ago, I was like, I was walking around the set. I'm like, this design, this decor is all like, old and dated. Like, they need to update and spruce this whole thing. The house, everything.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And now, like. Like, they're. They're making it young and hot and hip. Like, this is much better. And I think it's because they're getting pressure from Love island, all these other places, and I think it's a good step in the right direction. Anytime you make a big change, though, there's always going to be a little backlash. There's always going to be a little hate.

[C]

Growing pains.

[B]

Growing pains.

[C]

And it would be very beneficial for them. Just turn it up a notch.

[B]

I just think they need to go and get somebody, like a big star to be the bachelor. Pay somebody some money. Like, we see Harry's getting married, you know, or let's marry Harry. Like that, like, people are going to tune in because it's a big person to watch. Sure. You know, get someone who's going to, like, shock and all. Everybody bring them in.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Don't bring Joe Schmo, because you're just gonna. No one's. No. There's no story to it.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

I want to hear about someone who's. We've. We've watched for eight years on TV or this or that.

[A]

I agree. Go back to, like, go back and get someone. Like, in the old days, they would do, like, the Bachelor was like, I think, like a celebrity or like, like an athlete or, like. Yeah, go. I agree with that. Like, go get someone who studied. Yes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But there's a storyline like. Yeah, obviously you're not going to be able to get Joe Burrow, but, like, you need someone that's, like, in the game that people like them brings in a new audience and people trying to.

[B]

Follow, trying to recreate a joke. Grocery store Joe.

[A]

No.

[B]

Or those guys.

[A]

I think it's done.

[B]

He's a.

[A]

He's a.

[B]

He's a one hit. Like, he's one hit wonder.

[A]

No one is done, and no one's ever in the franchise done what Joe's done. Yeah. You can't. That's. That's. Yeah. It's impossible.

[B]

Trying to find a needle in a haystack where if you go and you know, there's a thousand grocery store guys that you want to try and do, like an unsung hero or. No, go get that guy who is a stud.

[A]

Yeah. And if you look at business like E. News, we just saw their TV show just got canceled after 34 years. You're seeing TV shows get canceled. You're seeing things change. Like, it's all digital now. You got to get People like whoever you get, go make sure that they're good at digital.

[B]

Have someone, because they got to be.

[A]

Pumping it out, and you can't be.

[B]

Like, these young kids are.

[A]

You have to let. These island kids are 10 times better than us. So I'm, like, taking notes. They gotta these different cameras, and I'm like, what are we doing? We've been doing this.

[B]

They got seven years. They got this stream.

[A]

Yeah. I'm like, hey, can we get a picture? Yeah, let's edit it and throw a caption up. It's a different game out.

[B]

Go get the young guys, because you need them to promote the show.

[A]

That's right. All right, well, we're in the Hamptons right now. We're gonna go have a good rest of our day. Thank you guys, for entering Secrets before we do. Let's go. Goals. What is the income goal for yourself? Let's. Let's talk about the real estate game. How much in 2026? You're just starting now. 2026. You're gonna hit your stride. How much you want to make as a realtor?

[B]

Only by the end of 2020.

[A]

By the end of 2026, I want.

[B]

To hit 50 million in sales, which.

[A]

Means 50 million home.

[B]

Like, hopefully 1.5, 1.5 mil.

[A]

All right, Tate, with your brand and what you're doing and how you're doing it from now to 2026 and 2026, what do you want to make? Throw it out there. Dream big. 26, year and a half.

[C]

I'd like to make, like, just close to half a Melly. All right, Half a year and a half.

[A]

Half.

[B]

So probably like, babe, my girl's buying me a pool.

[A]

All right, 800. Oh, Andrew's in the house over there. Let's go. Hey. All right, we got a wrap. With your trading secret. Give us a trading secret that's unique to Tyler and Tate. What can you end with?

[B]

You want to go first?

[C]

Trading secret. Fake it till you make it.

[A]

Fake it till you make it.

[B]

That's a good one.

[A]

That's a good one, Ty.

[B]

Good one. I kind of was harping on earlier. Just hammer down again. Keep moving forward. Actually, scratch that. Oh, Landry's here. I'm gonna say this to you, like, use your network and voice what you want to do.

[C]

Right?

[B]

Right. And I've done that. I've just voiced what I want to do, and all of a sudden, people start helping you connect the dots.

[C]

Right?

[B]

So use your network voice. Voice. What you want to do. Put it out there. Right? And all Of a sudden, things start happening. Put out there that I wanted to be a realtor. Next thing you know, I'm a sirhan. Next thing you know, I'm getting such bigger deals than I could have ever imagined. Put it out there, network, and good things will come.

[A]

I like it. All right, and where can everyone find everything you two have going on? Landry, you're coming up next.

[B]

You can go to Tyler J. Cameron, you can go to Ta Da. And then you can go to our substack where we really dive in. And that is Sable Life by Tate and Ty. Sable Living Stable Living by Tate and Ty.

[A]

All right, well, thank you guys for being on this episode of Trading Secrets.

[B]

Yes. Yes. All right.

[A]

Ding, ding, ding. We are closing in the bell to the Tyler and Tate episode. This was a good one. Of course. This was the one that we filmed in the Hamptons. What was beautiful about this one is so much. Was evergreen. So we could release it this week. And this has been a busy week. David had the Ryder cup, lot of action, moved into New York City. Know you're back in hockey, you're traveling. So personally, it's been crazy. Professionally, it's been fun. And with Trading Secrets episode, Tyler and Tate always bring a good episode. So what do you think? Is it?

[D]

Yeah, they're always bringing the heat, you know, despite the business, despite the travel, we always make time for the ones and twos. Not just for the people, but for us. Always good seeing you, connecting with you, talking about our lives, catching up. And that's just what we're doing today. We're gonna. We're gonna break down this Tyler and Tate episode. But first, how's the near. Is that the New York City house? Am I staring at it? Are you in it right now?

[A]

You're staring at. I'm in the second bedroom here. Two floors, nice little area about eight, eight, eight streets or so from Gramercy park, about five streets from.

[D]

Wow.

[A]

Washington State park or whatever the hell it's called. Washington Square, I think.

[D]

Washington Square. Yeah, Square.

[A]

I clearly got to get my New York City geography.

[D]

Yeah, you can lingo down.

[A]

I think I've gained about five pounds in five days just eating just about everything. But I'm going to continue that trend for this entire. I mean. I mean, you name it, I've eaten it.

[D]

I'm just crushing. Love it. I saw the Chinese. Saw the Chinese order last night. That was.

[A]

I will tell you this too. I have walked, no joke between Ryder cup yesterday, New York today. Just walking around. I've walked over 20 miles.

[D]

Yeah. Yeah, there you go. Is it every now that you're there, I mean, we've been talking on this pod for probably at least over a year about you potentially moving, you know, or getting a place in New York City. Now that it's real, does it feel real? Are you happy you did it? Do you wish you did it sooner or do you think it's happening at the right time? Time?

[A]

I'm loving it. I mean, I'm, I'm like really, really enjoying being here. There's just so much going on. It's, it's exciting. I just love this city and like, as far as opportunity goes, ton of opportunity since, since just being here, like, I could tell you this, I'm trying to think as I'm talking to see if it makes sense, but there's been about, let's just call it close to about 10k and stuff that have come up. Just because it was like day of. And I was here, here. Hey, we need you to go over there. Can you do this real quick? Here's a fee to do it. And I wouldn't have gotten if I wasn't. That's, that's in like six, seven days. So, yeah, so far, business wise, it's made a lot of sense. When you wake up and you go for a workout around here, it's just like, you're just. There's so much energy. So you, the energy feeds into you. So yeah, man, I'm, I'm loving it. It's been great so far.

[D]

And will you, will you try and get any kind of like podcast studio in the, in the, in the apartment in the building at all, or do you have a spot there that you'll to, to be able to do probably a lot more frequent podcasts with guests that are in and out of New York City.

[A]

Highly considering making this room right here. Podcast room. So this is a second, this is a second bedroom, but I don't know. We actually haven't fought that thought that only five days in, so we'll see. But so far, man, so good. Enjoying it. It's great energy here.

[B]

So far.

[A]

I'm loving it.

[D]

And before we get to the, the Tyler and Tate episode, you, you mentioned Ryder Cup. I'd be remiss if, if we didn't talk about it a little bit. I, I feel like it's one of those pop up things that happens. The Rider cup only happens every two years. It's something that nobody thinks about for a year in 11 and a half months. But when it's there. It seems like everybody's talking about it. Whether you're an avid sports fan or an average Joe. I feel like Ryder cup is something that you're seeing, you're hearing. You went to it at Beth beach plaque in New York. It's a bucket list item for me. I would love to go. I've been watching it non stop. I've been, I've been, you know, reading about it on Twitter and things like that. That. Can you give me a first hand experience? The good, the bad and the ugly. How was it?

[A]

Okay, the bad is the logistics, right?

[D]

So I heard it's, I heard it's all time. Nightmare, nightmare bad.

[A]

Nightmare bad. Hour 45, getting in, two hours, getting home. So that's for starters. Then the thing is, is you have to take a golf cart from where you were dropped off in the lot to the actual course. It's about a five minute golf cart ride. The problem is the lines for that golf cart ride are intense. Intense. Walking around Ryder cup is so much fun. Because it's Ryder cup, you have tons of Europeans, tons of Americans. The banter is non stop, but it's very like everything I saw was very like fun and loving banter. Everyone was kind, like caring, but it's like funny, you know, like hockey, hockey room banter where it's like, damn, that was witty and good. It was just witty and good. But it was, it was quite hot. And it's, it's. Listen, you gotta really like golf to go to a golf live event because you're running around like a herd of cattle trying to chase down the players to barely see anything when on TV you can see it a hundred times better. So if you're going to an event like this one, you want some kind of like, if you can get like a really good ticket, VIP ticket so you have a home base that's one, and then two. You have to really, really enjoy the love of the game. If you don't love the game, you will not be happy as an attendee at Ryder cup because you can see everything else from the comfort of your family room.

[B]

So much easier.

[A]

I mean there was David, there was one. It reminded me of Happy Gilmore. There's just like it felt like a 10 foot stone and then there was like a stepping stone that was like three months and this dad and his two kids, like young kids were like doing an assembly line to stand on the 10 foot stone just so they can see. I mean it's, it's still that way. But 50,000 plus tickets sold. I saw some stuff online about, like, ubers costing over $11,000 to get there. There are a ton of bets placed on the United States Europe Rider cup, which we know United States was heavily kind of coin flip favored, but are getting absolutely crushed. But it was a good experience.

[D]

And for the viewers at home, if you. If you did tune in and watch it, the commercials have been absurd. I mean, people are. Are not happy with the NBC family. Let's just say, put it lightly. Wait, why about. Oh, my. Jason. The amount of commercials. I mean, there's only eight balls being played the entire day, and they're not showing every shot because they're cutting the commercial so frequently. It is, like, absurd. Absolutely. Oh, it's, It's. It's been. It's been a. Pretty much a disaster. If you're cheering, if you're an American, your. Your team's getting their asses kicked. Your corporate company who's broadcasting it is absolutely taking advantage of. Of the dollars and cents and not putting the viewer first, getting there. Logistically, everything it's been. It's a bit of nightmare, but it comes every two years, and so you got to kind of celebrate it. So I just wanted to touch on that.

[A]

In New York, I was talking to a lot of, like, different Americans that were there. They're like. Because I was asking, listen, I'm a huge fan of golf, but am I, like, a nerd that I know like, everything? No. One person that is. Is Wells Adams. Like, he knows everything about golf. Everything. And so what's that?

[D]

It's like me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. I mean, he could. The captain of the team from, like, fucking 60 years ago walked by us, and he almost, like, passed out.

[B]

I had no idea.

[A]

I mean, this guy literally looked like. You wouldn't have thought he was a captain of Rodograph. I'm like, damn. Okay. Anyway, moving on. I asked him about it, and he was saying one, they take a ton of pride in it. He was telling me about how, like, like, Rory used to just be like, hey, it's an exhibition. Last year, he started crying, and now it's like his. It's like his baby. And then he talked about the fact that, like, Americans will be hurt by this. Those golfers will go home, like, be up at night. And then he said the fact that in New York, like, this is the, like, biggest city in the country, like, this is the spot. Like, losing in New York is different than losing in, like, somewhere else, I guess.

[D]

Yeah, it's like. It's like when the Yankees lose It's different with the win. The Cincinnati Reds lose. Like losing in New York is a big deal. Losing a Ryder cup, which only happens every two years on home soil, does it hasn't happened in 20 years. So to lose, just have a team lose on the road. And Rory did say in a conference, a press conference two years ago, he goes at the biggest feat that you can have in golf, period. It's not a major, it's not a Masters. It's winning a Rider cup on the road. And that's what we're going to do in Beth Page in two years. And here he is like, I mean, he's getting like, people are being pretty ruthless to him in the stands and like he's playing lights out golf. And unless the, the Americans put up a bigger miracle than 1980 and then in the Olympics when they beat the Soviets, I don't think they're walking away winners on Sunday. We're recording this Saturday night.

[A]

So, yeah, by the time this comes out, I think we know that Europe will have been crowned Ryder cup winner. But overall, I think Americans have almost 2x the wins in Ryder cup history. So still no excuse for a poor showing, but it was a fun one. And shout out to Amazon and Shopbop Shop Bop Men's that we did a partnership with Wells and Blake there to go. It was, it was a great time. So here we are.

[D]

Love it. Loved the, love the sweater that you were wearing. Not for the, for the, maybe for how hot it was, but I did love the sweater. That was a nice one there.

[A]

I know. I saw that sweater. I obviously got it on Shop Bop. It's Ralph Lauren rlx. It's like, you know, one that's, I mean, go check it out. Six got the bear golfing, but yeah, it was a little, little.

[D]

You beat a nice little accessory, though. You kind of tied it around. You had around. It was good. You know, you worked with it.

[A]

It was good, good, bad, not bad, not bad. Now listen, we, we could probably do a full episode here. We got to talk about, we got to talk about Tyler and Tay. What you think of the episode?

[D]

It was great. I mean, just to have Tate on there. I think the last time she was on it was in more of a group setting. So to kind of isolate and have her on with Tyler was really great. I mean, just the, the updates from Tyler, I don't. He's been on at least, is at least his third time on. But to hear the details of him with the Sirhan Group, just a really, really Interesting perspective on just how it's changed his business life. You know Tyler, the thing I think you'd agree, like he's with Sirhant. Like he said in the first week he had, you know, people coming up and asking for $10 million listings that he could sell to them because they're interested. And now, you know, combining with the power of the name. But I just love him. He's like, you know, I'll still sell a 700,000 house because that's me. Like that's what I take pride in. I just think, man, is he going to crush it? Like he is just going to absolutely crush. With Sir Hunt. Do you think it's a good business move for him? You know what's your perspective on kind of where he's at?

[A]

I think it's a good business move for two reasons. I think the branding of it is smart. Like you're connecting with Ryan Sirhant. That's big branding play. You that have the chance to be on Sirhan shows which is big. Having a real estate license and selling real estate when you are a general contractor like he is is smart in general though I will tell you, I think in the next one to three years this is more of a, a branding play than it is Tyler actually being a real estate agent. Like he's too busy, he has too much going on. He's got, you know, different show opportunities and work opportunities. He's a general contractor, he's a non for profit. He invests in a lot. He does a lot of his own home renos. Like he's just too busy to be like full time 80 hour real estate agent. So I think it's more of a brand play. I think he'll do okay. I think he'll sell a couple homes but I think it's a smart brand life.

[D]

Love it, love that perspective. I, I also loved his perspective on about what his goals are with kind of some of these home rentals that he does. And it's not to buy and flip and sell, it's to buy and hold. And I just love the perspective that I use is like, you know, when I bought your mom's house, I bought it for 90,000 and everyone, you know how many times when I bought a chocolate bar it used to be, it used to cost me a quarter. Right. Like you always hear about these kind of perspectives and to for him to have that as a kind of a business perspective to be in a situation where we can build and flip and update and modernize these homes but to hold them so that a $400,000 home is worth a million dollars or a million half or $2 million. I just thought that was an interesting perspective. Maybe you're shaking over your head over there being like, no, flip and sell that bad boy. What's your take on it?

[A]

No, you know, I think what I really like is I'm. And this has worked for me and against me, but I'm relatively debt averse and it's not smart because to, to make money, you need to kind of leverage up. You need to use bank money to make more money. And I need to, to get a little more comfortable with that. What I always appreciate about Tyler's, him and I talk business all the time. We probably call each other at least once a week and oftentimes, especially throughout the years, you know, where we'll talk openly about numbers. I know he's doing quite well and he'll like, make comments like, I'm broke, I got nothing. I'm like, what do you, what do you. You're not. Shut the up. You're not broke. He's like, no, I'm literally. He's taking like, almost, at least at the time we had that last conversation about it's like a lot of cash income and immediately deploying it towards investments, which is so smart because in 20 years from now, that portfolio is going to be massive. So he might be cash light right now, but that's because it's all invested in real estate. And we know historically what happens with real estate. It goes up and he'll be in a really good position. So, you know, we talk often on this show about people in the creator space, unscripted space. Like, what is it like when they get out of the show? How do they monetize? How do they brand? Tyler's a guy that has branded himself extremely well. He works his ass off. He invests his money extremely well. He never takes yesterday for granted, is always working harder for tomorrow. And what I like about our friendship is every time I'm with him, he kind of pushes me in a position to think greater, to think bigger. We do things very, very differently. Like, he couldn't believe I didn't take the Netflix show with Perfect Match and stuff. He said, what are you doing? You're crazy for not doing that. So our, our approaches are very different, but I, I just love his work.

[D]

Ethic and, and to have to have Tate now sounding like she's under the rewired talent agency. Very complimentary at that. For the work that you've Been able to help her do. She talked about making a joke when Tyler fired her. Now she's making quadruple now, which she used to make with Tyler. So is she a little bit of a star in the making? I mean, I've obviously seen her on content.

[A]

You just said right there. She's making what?

[D]

Quadruple.

[A]

What?

[D]

Quadruple.

[A]

Say it slower.

[D]

Quadruple.

[A]

Why?

[D]

What did it sound like he, like.

[A]

Made a word up?

[D]

Well, I tend to do that, but, yeah, no, Sephora.

[A]

Her love this.

[D]

Listen, listen. I had a big win today at a couple celebratory pints, okay, in the hotel room, so. But quadruple is quadruple. She's making 4x. Sorry.

[A]

Tongues lazy? Tongue's a little lazy.

[D]

Yeah, a little bit. And the throat, you know, a little screaming on the bench kicking in, because.

[A]

I'm coming back to Tate, because she is an absolute beast. She's killing it. But did you find your, like, bitcoin yet?

[D]

We're working on that. That we're working.

[A]

For five years, we.

[D]

We've deployed our. Our team member, Mark Holer. He talks a big game in the crypto industry. If he can't help, I'm. Yeah, I think I'm done for, so.

[A]

I mean, you said this two years ago. Like, actually, no, no. Like, you said, Mark Holster is gonna help you two years ago.

[D]

No, that was two months ago.

[A]

Okay?

[D]

I didn't even know Mark Holster existed two years ago. Mark, get on it. Listen. You're listening. Mark, get on this. Come on. I need. I need to did.

[A]

I love it. But anyway, let's go back to it. I. I mean, I'm putting all my. All my chips on Tate. She's. She's relatable, she's fun, she's smart. She's got great. Great vision with, like, her art, her creative. She has great taste, great style. And I think most importantly, like, all those things are real. She's just cool. Like, I think majority of her following is probably, like, 95% women. And I think, like, the people that follow her, like. Like, I want to be like her. I want to be friends with her.

[D]

Well, I just love her, their dynamic and their relationship. Because Tyler's a stud. He comes off the show. He's, you know, been. You know, him and Hannah Brown, The. The love. Tana Brown. And, like, that's an intimidating position for a girl to be in. She Alpha. Like, she's, like. She's an Alpha just like him. And she'll go in a room. She doesn't care she's going to be herself. Like, she's, she just seems like a really infectious person. I, I've never met her before, but it seems that's, you know, also what, how she comes across in her content. But it was so nice for her to kind of open up in this and talk about the imposter syndrome that she's had on social. There's a posture syndrome that she's had in her interior design work, even making some of the money that she's making through social. I, I, it was just really great to learn a little bit more about her and where she's at. And like you said, I think her following is probably mostly female from Tyler and just wanting to be invested in his love life, life. But I think she's, she's keeping followers and retaining them because people want to learn more about her and, and be a part of her journey.

[A]

And I want to say this, like, this is no shock to anyone that's, that's been with Tyler, that Tyler's dated in the past. Right. But like, I've, I've seen all the different versions of Tyler, been friends with him since he got off Hannah Brown season. I've been, I was friends with him and had deep discussions with him when he was dating Gigi Hadid, you know, and then went through different girlfriends, different situations, different life chapters, celebrated New Year's Eve with him when he was with Kristen Cavallari a few years ago. This Tyler, like the Tyler that I've got to know with Tate while dating Tate, is the best version of Tyler I've ever seen. And it complements exactly what you said about her dynamic. His dynamic, they're great him.

[D]

And he's going to feel the same for you about your pasts. He's been with you through that, he's seen it, he's helped you. We're all going to feel that, that, that same way. So, you know, it was, it was, it's, it's great that you're able to connect with someone like that on that level. It's great to add someone to, to his life, to your life. That adds joy and happiness and it's people helping people is what it really sounds like when it comes down to it. So, you know, overall, it's great to see them successful. You heard it here first on Trading Secrets. She said, I'd marry you in a second. That was clip that, put it on Tyler, figure it out. And that's it. That's all I got right there. Another great episode on Trading Secrets.

[A]

Another Great episode of Trading Secrets. Please make sure to give us five stars. Let us know what your biggest takeaway from this episode was and I will tease next week in the recap. We're gonna talk a little social media strategy because the last few weeks David and I have been button heads. Now listen, I got a team and friends. They help me out with social media strategy. They give me some advice. David. David loves to throw his little chirps out there. And compliments, by the way. He's a two way street. But then we talked a little bit about social media strategy. So I think David, we we table this for next week.

[D]

I would love to table it for next week. I'll throw through a few more chirps in there before we get there, but I think people will be on my side. But we'll find out. We'll find out. That's what the beauty of this podcast. Voice of the viewer.

[A]

Oh, that's up for debate with the money mafia. Give us five stars. Get ready for next week's recap in next week's episode. Hopefully this was one that you couldn't afford to miss.

[C]

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