259. Harry Jowsey: From reality TV to scripted, how Netflix powerhouse has expanded his career on screen, continuing to redefine the rules, and the core values that keep him grounded

Summary

Trading Secrets Podcast – Episode 259

Guest: Harry Jowsey
Host: Jason Tartick
Date: October 20, 2025
Title: Harry Jowsey: From reality TV to scripted, how Netflix powerhouse has expanded his career on screen, continuing to redefine the rules, and the core values that keep him grounded

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Overview

This episode explores the remarkable career trajectory of Harry Jowsey, from scrappy reality TV hopeful to a powerful force across Netflix’s unscripted and scripted projects. Host Jason Tartick welcomes Harry back for a candid conversation about personal growth, financial realities behind entertainment, entrepreneurial ventures, and the mindset Harry credits with his unique ability to navigate fame, criticism, and creative opportunities. The episode offers a masterclass for aspiring creatives and entrepreneurs, loaded with “trading secrets” on money, media, authenticity, and reinvention.

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Main Theme

How Harry Jowsey has continued to rewrite the rules in reality and scripted TV, expanded his entrepreneurial footprint, and stayed authentic while navigating money, fame, and personal growth.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Evolution and Reflecting on Early Ambitions

• Humble Beginnings & Hustle:

  • Harry reflects on sending hundreds of reality TV applications and even lying on resumes just to get a shot.

    "I would wake up and submit hundreds of applications. I would lie on resumes... I knew I was born for reality TV."
    (01:27)

• Early Financial Goals:

  • In 2021, Harry described having $3,000 in his bank account, aiming to be a millionaire by 23, and later striving for $10M a year.

    "You said, ‘I talked to Logan Paul and I need to find a way to make $10 million a year.’"
    (01:27)

• On Changing Mindsets:

  • Harry now sees those goals as short-sighted, shifting focus from immediate gains to cultivating opportunities for future growth.

    "The short-sightedness for me was being focused on the dollar amount... whereas now, it’s planting seeds for years ahead."
    (04:55)

2. Fame, Insecurity, and the Trap of Validation

• On Spending to Impress:

  • Discussed paying $15,000/month for an apartment as a validation of success, later realizing it was driven by insecurity and the fear of irrelevance.

    "There's always this constant like trying to validate my success... instead of just being so afraid to be irrelevant."
    (03:52)

• Changing Approach to Money:

  • Harry admits to lessons learned, now focusing more on personal growth and less on outward signs of success.

3. Redefining the Rules in Entertainment

• Crossing Reality to Scripted:

  • Traditionally considered “impossible,” Harry is moving between reality TV, acting roles (The Wrong Paris, Billy Knight with Al Pacino, Horrified), and hosting his own Netflix series (“Let’s Marry Harry”).
  • Sees inspiration in Kevin Hart’s strategy to “get so big no one could say no to him.”

    "People said, ‘Oh, you could never act. You can never do this.’ I’m like, ‘OK... They’ll never take you serious.’ I’m like, ‘Well, I don’t take myself seriously anyway, so we’re good.’"
    (07:03)

• Authenticity as Power:

  • Harry’s imperfection and candidness help him evade the “cancellation” typical in reality TV.

    "If I make a mistake and get a ton of hate... I won’t make that mistake again. It makes me a better off person because I care less."
    (09:32)

4. Strategies for Career Longevity & Personal Branding

• Staying Relevant (or Not on Purpose):

  • Contrasts earlier desperation for relevance with current willingness to "go quiet" to refresh his brand.

    "Now I understand... you have to go quiet for a little bit and be missed to come back and be really appreciated."
    (03:52)

• On Networking with Netflix:

  • Progression came not from waiting for opportunities but consistently pitching ideas, getting facetime with executives, and forming genuine relationships.

    "I would think of an idea, even if it’s stupid, just to force a meeting, just to be in front of them."
    (13:01)

• Planting Seeds:

  • Harry now measures his year by ‘how many seeds can I plant’ instead of quick hits.

5. Behind "Let's Marry Harry"

• Manifesting & Creation:

  • Harry admits to faking being “The Bachelor” online long before being cast and now gets to headline his own, Bachelor-esque dating show on Netflix.

    "I was manifesting being the Bachelor. I would lie about it. I’d make a fake [post]… and now I feel like I can recreate The Bachelor."
    (16:37)

• Family & Support System:

  • Close friends and family will help pick his match on the show for authenticity.

• Preparing for Marriage On TV:

  • Harry is actively working on himself – reading therapy/self-help books, therapy, and practicing meditation – to ensure he's ready for commitment, addressing issues like directness in relationships.

    "Every day I’m trying to finish a book... I’m seeing my therapist more now than ever to figure out what has happened in my childhood that makes me pull away or not."
    (22:00)

6. Money, Negotiations, and Opportunity Cost

• Finances of Reality TV vs Brand Deals:

  • Largest income is from independent brand deals, but being on Netflix amplifies his marketability.

    "I still make more money from brand deals... but I couldn’t get the brand deals without the show."
    (27:03)

• Highest Earning Brand Deal:

  • Tinder partnership, worth over $500K.

    “I think it was over half a ticket.” (55:00)

• Sacrifices and Opportunity Cost:

  • There are financial tradeoffs for doing certain shows (e.g., losing out on $200K in potential brand deals due to filming).

    “I spend more on wardrobe or... there could be a month where there’s 200k in brand deals. Can’t do it because I’m filming... Opportunity cost.”
    (26:14)

7. Scripted vs. Reality: Pathways & Pay

• On Breaking In:
  • Started with acting coaches, dozens if not hundreds of auditions, and acknowledges the challenges of transitioning from playing himself to playing characters.

    "You just have to put in the work and be consistent... There's less traffic in your own lane. So stay in it."
    (59:50)

• Scripted Pay Lower Initially:
  • “Scripted, it’s not good. ... I think a lot of people freak out about not making a ton of money off the jump."

    “First show, $250 a week... Just doing it for the love of the game."
    (38:01)

8. Dealing with Hate & Social Media Strategy

• Handling Criticism:
  • Has built resilience, believing hate ‘never comes from above.’

    “No one who’s doing better than you is going to hate and punch down.”
    (10:11)

• Monetizing Social Media:
  • Instagram and Snapchat are his top-earning platforms. Utilizes scheduling and high-frequency posts, including posting 500 times in one day for a $30K+ payout.

    "I think, obviously Instagram I make the most. Obviously Snapchat makes a ton of money... when I was doing Dance with the Stars, I was posting so much... 500 times in a day."
    (53:00)

9. Entrepreneurial Projects & Future Vision

• Philanthropy and Mission:
  • Harry’s venture, PASH, has a philanthropic mission inspired by personal losses. He opens up about losing friends to suicide and wanting his career to bring laughter and hope.

    "My goal has always been: let’s give people their 40 minutes a week so they can laugh... I do what I love by making my friends laugh."
    (58:01)

• Dreams of Producing & Giving Back:
  • Wants to pivot to producing feel-good reality shows and building a charity focused on mental health, especially in Australia and New Zealand.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Trap of Fame:

  "I thought I was the man, the king of the world. Like, buying all these watches, doing all this stuff. It was ridiculous. It was a crazy time."
  (02:31, Harry)

• On Authenticity & Resilience:

  "When you are true to your authentic self, the expectation is that you are your authentic self."
  (08:28, Host)

• On Networking and Opportunity:

  "I’d think of an idea—just to force a meeting [with Netflix], just to be in front of them... at least you’re always front of mind."
  (13:01, Harry)

• On Financial Mindset Shift:

  "I think at that time I was obsessed with the number. Now, I'm obsessed with the energy or the feeling. That's massive growth."
  (47:24, Harry)

• Harry's ‘Trading Secret’:

  "When it comes to life and social media...just have fun and don't care as much as you feel like you should. There's less traffic in your own lane. So stay in it. One video. One thing will change everything."
  (59:50, Harry)

• On Using Fame for Good/Mission Statement:

  "The goal has always been, let’s give people their 40 minutes a week so they can laugh at something stupid I’m doing... I get to do what I love by making my friends laugh."
  (58:01, Harry)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:00 – 02:31: Recap of Harry’s 2021 goals, early career hustle
• 02:31 – 05:54: Lessons in money, validation, and evolving perspective
• 07:03 – 11:13: Authenticity, redefining industry “rules”, handling hate
• 12:52 – 14:57: Building brand with Netflix, strategies for career longevity
• 16:27 – 18:20: How “Let’s Marry Harry” came together, family involvement
• 22:00 – 23:44: Preparation for love, therapy, personal growth
• 25:18 – 27:16: Financial realities, brand deals vs. show pay
• 28:18 – 32:36: State of reality TV industry, transition to scripted acting
• 35:22 – 36:55: Acting: Table reads, intimacy scenes, behind the scenes of “Horrified”
• 38:15 – 42:26: Working with Al Pacino, producing, ambitions for future
• 51:57 – 53:10: Social media: strategy, highest earning platforms
• 54:52 – 56:12: Overspending, biggest brand deal (Tinder: $500k+)
• 58:01 – 59:50: Philanthropy, giving back, mental health mission
• 59:50 – 60:45: Harry’s “Trading Secret” – have fun, stay in your lane, anything can change with one opportunity

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Final Takeaways & Tone

Rich in motivation and candor, this episode is both entertaining and highly instructive. Harry Jowsey’s journey is a testament to the power of authenticity, relentless self-improvement, and joyfully breaking the mold. The conversation weaves advice on money, career, and fame with big-hearted insights about personal growth, friendship, and impact.

Harry’s tone remains self-deprecating, light, and honest, while Jason provides strategic, sometimes hard-hitting questions, always circling back to actionable insights for listeners.

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Where to Find Harry & What’s Next

• Let’s Marry Harry – Premiering 2026, Netflix
• The Wrong Paris – Scripted Netflix release, Fall 2025
• Billy Knight (opposite Al Pacino) – Coming soon
• Podcast: Boyfriend Material – under Alex Cooper’s Unwell Network

Follow him at: @HarryJowsey everywhere

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Harry’s Trading Secret (59:50)

"When it comes to life and social media... just have fun and don't care as much as you feel like you should. There's less traffic in your own lane. So stay in it. One thing will change everything."

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Summary for New Listeners:
Whether you’re a creative, entrepreneur, or simply love great behind-the-scenes stories, Harry Jowsey’s journey offers permission to dream bigger, reinvent often, and always build a life that’s true to yourself. He proves the value of showing up—hustling, owning mistakes, and embracing the wild ride with laughter and heart.

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End of summary.

Transcript

[Podcast Host]

Foreign. Welcome back to another episode of Trading Secrets. Today we are joined by one of the fastest rising stars in Netflix global reality universe, Harry Jowsey. After you like that. I give you the radio voice and all, baby. After first breaking onto the scene with Netflix unscripted tv, Harry's become one of the faces of the platform with his own show coming out, let's Marry Harry, premiering in 2026. I love that you're laughing. He was the centerpiece of Netflix summer breakout event earlier this year, where the streamer spotlighted him as one of its breakout stars. I was actually there. You were crushing. I mean, you had. You actually had the streamer on you. But Harry's career goes further beyond reality tv. He's breaking into acting with starring in roles in Netflix upcoming the Wrong Paris and Billy Knight opposite Al Pacino. That's pretty badass. As well as the IND horror film Horrified, which he had a sex scene. We'll talk about it. He's also an entrepreneur launching P A S H Pesh, a sustainable brand with philanthropic mission inspired by his personal experience. Dude, we got so much to uncover. You were back on this show in 2021. I just did a very, very short summary of what you've done since 2021. The list is endless. Thank you for being back, dude.

[Harry Jowsey]

Thank you for having me. This is crazy.

[Podcast Host]

This is crazy. It's crazy. So I kind of gave you this sneak peek before we started, but I said, I got to go down the road. I got to go back, dude. I was listening to the clips of our podcast. I was cackling. I was cackling. I want to give you some of the recap. Okay. We talked a little bit about the fact that you would wake up and you would submit hundreds of applications. You would lie on resumes. You didn't care what it took, but you knew you were born for reality tv. Talked about the fact you'd use different names. You'd even send dick pics. A year and a half ago, at that time, this was fall 2021, you said you had 3,000 bucks in your bank account, but your goal was to be a millionaire by 23. You also send upcoming years. You wanted to find a way, you said, I talked to Logan Paul and I need to find a way to make 10 million a year.

[Harry Jowsey]

That's crazy.

[Podcast Host]

We talked about OnlyFans. I said, I heard rumors that you broke 500K.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

You laughed at me.

[Podcast Host]

You said 500K, dude, I broke a million. I mean, the list was endless. That was 2021. When I say these things like what are you thinking about that? And where you are today gets me itchy, crazy.

[Harry Jowsey]

But the thing is, I think with that stuff is like to dream bigger. And that was, I guess that was the only thing I can saw in my line of sight at that time. Like one of my friends was telling me there's like infinite realities going on, right? And I think now, like maybe that thought process has developed a little bit more. Like you can tap into your reality where you're a billionaire or your reality where you're a homeless person or like there's literally infinite realities of your life. And I think like me trying to be in that thing, like I'm gonna like the only fans and, and I'm gonna make 10 million a year or do this stuff. Like, I think I was just so short sighted when now I'm like, okay, that's very premature of where I think now, which is like awesome. It's just great. But yeah, it's just crazy to think like also how nuts I was. I remember when I was on that and I was in my apartment, it was $15,000 a month. It was way too expensive. I thought I was the man, like the king of the world. Like buying all these watches, doing all this stuff. It was ridiculous. It was a crazy time.

[Podcast Host]

Why, like, so you're paying 15k a month then and like, were you making good amount of money?

[Harry Jowsey]

Yeah, it was fine, but it was also like, there's no need to do that.

[Podcast Host]

Interesting. So think about how much you've learned in four years. Do you think I always talk about when you look at spending, it connects to like maybe behavioral patterns or growth or like areas of your life. Do you think there was some kind of like insecurity with like identity or something that created that or you think it was. Yeah. Like how. What would you speak to that?

[Harry Jowsey]

I think when you're. And you, you get it as well. Like when you come in this space really quickly and really rapidly and there's always eyeballs on you. You have to justify or like validate that you're moving forward. Yeah, I need a new watch, new trophy, like I need a new car. I need to be in the fancy place where all the fancy people are. Like, there's always, there was always this constant like trying to validate my success instead of being so afraid to be irrelevant, so afraid to like fall off whatever else. Now I understand that there's an ebb and flow of this stuff. Like you have to go quiet for a little bit and be Missed to come back and be like, really appreciated. And I look at all like the big actors that I really want to be like. And they'll disappear offline but for like six, eight months. And then they'll have a movie come out and then they're everywhere. Like, oh, that's kind of how it has to go. It has to be an ebb and flow. Whereas back then I'm like, I'll do anything to have people talking about me.

[Podcast Host]

Interesting. You talked a little bit about like shortsightedness versus your long term plan. Now get. Tell us a little bit more about like the, like the strategy, the business mind. We know you got so much going on now we'll talk about that. But what is short sightedness and then what does long term look like now? What are the differences?

[Harry Jowsey]

I think the short sided short sightedness for me was being focused on the dollar amount, like X amount this year and then only thinking of like, only fans, this, that, whatever else. Whereas, like now it's okay, we've got Mary Harry coming up.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

What I'm gonna be hot for a minute. But like, what I've been telling my friends is, how many seeds can I plant this year? Yeah. So that they're gonna blossom the next year and the year after. Whereas before I was only thinking of like the next three months, next six months. Like, how can I get to this figure quickly just to say I could do it. Whereas like now it's, well, I want to be in, I want to be here forever. So how do I start planting as many seeds as possible? Because shows take forever to come out.

[Podcast Host]

Sure.

[Harry Jowsey]

And especially if you create an idea that takes so long and then the budgeting and then the scouting the places where you need to do it. Like, there's so much stuff involved in this. So I've just. Now it's like being more focused on what's going to happen in the next three years or the next four years instead of I want to be an influencer and put my Bussy on OnlyFans.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, I got it. I love it. One of the things I think about you is like, and I've talked about this with other people in reality and people from the Bachelor. Like, your names come up. And our biggest thing is like in the Bachelor world, right. Like in a lot of other shows, you move left the wrong way and you are getting killed. It's like, you're done, you're out, the fans are just killing you. And we're like, or you have one bad breakup or you said one Wrong thing on TV or whatever, and it's like, we just get buried. We're like, there's something special about Harry Jowsey that he just redefines the rules. There are no, like, one of the rules we've ever had. Actors on Comedians Billionaires on this podcast. One of the rules that we've heard about in entertainment is, like, it is extremely hard to go from reality to scripted. And if you go into scripted and you go to reality, it's extremely hard to go back to scripted. But here, Harry Jo is redefining rules. You're about to get married on tv and then you're killing it in the scripted game. When people say this, like, I say it out loud. Like, you can kind of write your own rules and do what you want no matter how many mistakes you make. What do you. What's your take? Like, what do you think when you think about that as far as, like, your career in those comments?

[Harry Jowsey]

You know what's crazy is I read Kevin Hart's book, and he was like, his mission was to get so big that nobody could say no to him. And I'm like, that's the best mentality. Cuz if I was like. Cuz when I started doing reality tv, like, people like, oh, you could never act. You can never do this stuff. I'm like, okay. Like, they'll never take you serious. I'm like, well, I don't take myself serious. Anyway, so we're good. We're already chilling. I think that it just. Like, people who can't do it are afraid. Like, people like, oh, but also the problem is as well, like, when you're too good, like the Bachelor, you guys are too crispy clean.

[Podcast Host]

Like, too polished.

[Harry Jowsey]

You're too polished. You're too good of a human. Yeah, I suck. Like, I can only come up. If you guys slip up and say one wrong thing. You're fucked. Like, they're gonna come crashing. Like, I knew he was a bad guy. I knew this. I knew that I'm already. I'm already the rock bottom. Yeah, yeah. Like, I could only go up. Like, that's why I'm chilling. Like, I see so many influences. Like, with. It's like the most minor thing. Like, there's this one TikTok. I saw this girl, I know she was getting in trouble because people thought she had hair extensions and she was getting destroyed online. People, like, because her whole thing is about having good hair. Yeah. And I just thought that's the funniest thing ever. Like, people are angry because they think you have hair extensions.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

Like, that's crazy. That's what happens when you're too good.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

Such a good person.

[Podcast Host]

That's interesting.

[Harry Jowsey]

Be a shitty person.

[Podcast Host]

There's a.

[Harry Jowsey]

Well, I don't even think life's good.

[Podcast Host]

I think it's hilarious. But I think those. I think, like, what. What you're saying, in other words, too. Yeah. Are like, when you are true to your authentic self, the expectation is that you are your authentic self. And I think what happens on social media and especially reality and maybe Bachelor, is people create this inauthentic version of who they are. Therefore, they build an expectation of what they represent, and then the second they become actually who they are, they get blasted. And it feels like a lot of your success, if you look at 20, 21 to now, is derived from the fact that, like, you are always your. You're sitting here right now and you're still. If you got an awesome PR company behind you, shout out a line. Pr, they are the best in the business and you're still authentically yourself no matter what. And I think that's kind of your special sauce. A question I got for you because people that listen to this are entrepreneurs and they're trying to navigate the life of world in all directions. Hate is a big thing. Online criticism is a big thing. Social media has brought that to levels we never expected. Are you not phased by some of the pushback, some of the negativity, some of the things that have tried to derail you and how do you deal with it?

[Harry Jowsey]

I think that I'd be lying if I was like, oh, it didn't. Yeah, sometimes it doesn't affect me. But the more hate you get, the more you get better at dealing with it. It's so good. Yeah, like, that's the. That's the only attitude I can have, is like, if I do something wrong and I make a mistake and I get a ton of hate and people get mad at me about that. Well, I know now I'm a better off person because I won't make that mistake again. Like, the goal isn't to make the mistakes, but when I get all this hate or like, people moving, even if they're mad about something that doesn't even matter.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

Then it's like, better for me because I'm like, okay, well, you're just being a silly sausage and, like, I don't really care. And I also understand hate never comes from above. Like, does that make sense?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

Like, no one who's doing better than you is going to Hate.

[Podcast Host]

That's true.

[Harry Jowsey]

And punch down. And also when you're so focused, when you're in your own lane, there's no traffic, right? So if you're focused on my lane and you're getting angry at me, you're behind me. Get in your own lane and focus on your own shit. So that's why I just think about like, again, no one who's better than me is, is hating on me, if that makes sense. Always people that are, that are just angry and bored at home and a grumpy little gremlins. And then so yeah, I don't know. That's just, that's how I think about it. It's like, it's obviously it sucks. No one wants to get hate, but it makes me a better off person because I care less. And I'm like, well, I feel sorry for you.

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[Harry Jowsey]

All right, I like that.

[Podcast Host]

I like that. No, I like that take. It's a good perspective that like the people that are hating on you are actually fueling you and it's not. People aren't punching down. And like that is a. That's a good take and I think that's good advice. Now let's get into this like reality tv. Since you started, it's like you kind of saw the vision, the writing on the wall before it became like you back in the podcast in 2021 talking about rifling hundreds of applic to get on. You saw something with that, but then now you've become the guy. Like, you're the guy at Netflix and the reality universe is, like, blowing up. How did you. Like, what are some. Talk to me just about, like, strategy, tactics, things you think you did to develop your brand. And, like, even internally or externally for Netflix to be like, we just need you in the mix. It doesn't matter. It does. Could be any show. We need you in the mix. And now we're going to build our own show around you. How'd you do it?

[Harry Jowsey]

I think the problem with reality TV and the people that go on it's is we got given a crazy opportunity. So everyone kind of sits and expects more stuff to come.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

Whereas, like, with Netflix, I would think of an idea, even if it's stupid, just to force a meeting, just to be in front of them, and then they're like, okay, cool. Like, this guy won't leave us alone. Like, maybe we should do something, whatever else. But at least you're always front of mind.

[Podcast Host]

What would you say in front, like, so you got the meeting with Netflix, like, what was your pitch? What were your things?

[Harry Jowsey]

I would just come up with ideas, like, and you can do it now with, like, ChatGPT. So it's like, obviously super easy to think of some shitty ideas, but just to have, like, I'm already in the network. This is before. Right. I'm already in the ecosystem. Like, we love him. Whatever else. How do I get in front of them? Because I know they're doing shows every week. There's so much stuff going on. Oh, I've got a really cool idea that I'd love to, like, pitch you guys and just come hang out and then you get to meet everyone in that department. You get to walk around, whatever else. I just think I got lucky because I made so many, like, real legitimate friends there that what I realized with LA is people only want to work with their friends and people that they love. Right. Like, a lot of the people in these movies and stuff, they'll just cast their friends because, like, I know they're reliable. I know they're going to show up.

[Podcast Host]

Sure.

[Harry Jowsey]

And I know, like, we're going to have a great time at work and it's going to be cool. I think I just got lucky because everyone at that company is, like, a really good friend now because I've been going on it for so many years. I also think the best advice I got from one of my people in the industry was that you kind of have to be like the girlfriend that got away in high school. Right. So when I was. When I first did Toward the Handle, I started sitting there kind of expecting, as we do, expecting that I was gonna get another show.

[Podcast Host]

True.

[Harry Jowsey]

Whatever else. And then I was like, why is. Like, no one. Like, what are we doing? Like, I'm sitting on my hands, like, what's happening? And then they said, well, you got to kind of be like, you got to show us what we're missing. And I'm like, okay, fair. And then I started thinking, all right, well, I got to be bigger than Netflix, which is impossible, but how do I go on a different network and how to be seen by different stuff? And I think because I did so much other stuff, that it's made me have a bigger audience than just Netflix or people that are on different networks, if this makes any sense at all.

[Podcast Host]

It does. I think you're. One of the things I've seen a theme with now is you sometimes got to be like, the girlfriend that got away.

[Harry Jowsey]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

That connects to what you said just about, like, 10 minutes ago when you talked about, you don't always have to be relevant in the spotlight. You sometimes can take a break and then come back. That's what the movie stars do. Going back to that comment, like, when you say you take a break, like, what does that look like? Are you taking, like, three months off social media? Are you not doing one interview? What does that look like?

[Harry Jowsey]

Like, I think it just means turning down, like, before the break would be having a month of social media.

[Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Harry Jowsey]

And whatever else. Now it's like, turning down, like, the. Maybe the show or an opportunity that doesn't feel right. That's fitting.

[Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Harry Jowsey]

And then also understanding that. So now, like, we've got Mary Harry coming up. I don't need to be, like, the last thing I need to be doing is going crazy on social media and trying to get people to talk about me. I shouldn't be doing that right now. I'm about to have the biggest opportunity in my life. Yeah. So just to, like, kind of pump the brakes and stay out of the drama for a little bit. And then once the show's coming up, I think it's. It helps when you have stuff that you know is going to happen and come forward.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

So that you can kind of pump the brakes and be a little bit more scarce. But I think that's. I know I'm very. In a very privileged position to be able to slow things down when I want.

[Podcast Host]

Let's marry Harry. I think that's. It's such a cool thing. Yeah. Talk to me a Little bit about how that came together. Obviously. Like there's. There are fans of the show here that watch the Bachelor. Sounds like kind of like a similar premise. Maybe a little competition of the show.

[Harry Jowsey]

Talk to me about like the Bachelor.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, there you go, you guys. Your PR team is sweating over there.

[Harry Jowsey]

All right.

[Podcast Host]

You know, put them to work. But like, how'd it come about?

[Harry Jowsey]

You know what's crazy? I was manifesting being the Bachelor. I would lie about it.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, you would put.

[Harry Jowsey]

I remember.

[Podcast Host]

You would create fake posts.

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[Podcast Host]

You, like before AI would do it for you, you would like edit it and put your name as the.

[Harry Jowsey]

And I'd make a fake. And that's crazy cuz you're like, oh, you should legitimately manifest that. It's really the most bizarre thing because I was always like, I really want to be the Bachelor and I had offers.

[Podcast Host]

Did the Bachelor ever reach out to.

[Harry Jowsey]

You hated me.

[Podcast Host]

Interesting.

[Harry Jowsey]

Yeah, I guess.

[Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Harry Jowsey]

Even I had Joey Grassaday. Yeah, of course. Yeah. And I was like. He was like, look, it'd be must see TV if you're ever the Bachelor. Whatever else. I'm like, well, I feel like it would be epic, but this is the best, biggest and most amazing opportunity I could have ever asked for. Yeah. Then when I get to find my person and how the show works is really special. But now I feel like I can kind of recreate the Bachelor. Right.

[Podcast Host]

Pretty cool.

[Harry Jowsey]

On the biggest streaming platform ever. So I really got really lucky. So hopefully it has an impact like the Bachelor does and can kind of follow in you guys footsteps.

[Podcast Host]

But did you go to them or did they come to you?

[Harry Jowsey]

Came to me.

[Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Harry Jowsey]

Yeah. So I guess I'm very lucky that I get to work with like Alex Cooper and Matt Kaplan, who are two of my favorite people. And the. It's. Dude, it's so special. Everyone that's in this show is anytime I meet, like more and more people, the producers and stuff, everyone is just so excited and full of love for this show and like one of like the casting team. I know she's cast a few of the Bachelors and had massive success with them finding their wives. And the head of Netflix casting, he's like one of my best friends on the planet. Yeah. So he's like being mindful of like, if the right girl, sure. They're going to have to hang out with us. Like. Yeah. So it's like, it's really like, feels like a big family project.

[Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Harry Jowsey]

Which is really exciting.

[Podcast Host]

When do you start filming it?

[Harry Jowsey]

Next couple months.

[Podcast Host]

Okay. Next couple months.

[Harry Jowsey]

Yeah, that's.

[Podcast Host]

That's an interesting lead time. The reason I asked about lead time is they're casting directors. You said on another show or interview that you're going to propose, right? You.

[Harry Jowsey]

I already bought a ring.

[Podcast Host]

You already bought a ring?

[Harry Jowsey]

Yeah. No one knows.

[Podcast Host]

How does it compare to Taylor Swift's?

[Harry Jowsey]

You know what, it's. It's gonna be something.

[Podcast Host]

Can you share where you bought it from or is that okay how big it is?

[Harry Jowsey]

It's great. It's gonna be.

[Podcast Host]

Is it a paper ring, like a tail?

[Harry Jowsey]

No, it's real ring.

[Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Harry Jowsey]

But it's also. I'm not gonna spoil it, but it's.

[Podcast Host]

Give me the odds. What are the chances, the likelihood that you propose?

[Harry Jowsey]

8 out of 10. Is that 80%.

[Podcast Host]

So it's a high likelihood. Okay, that's. I cannot wait to watch this. But one thing I was gonna say is with the Bachelor franchise, first of all, let's commend you. Netflix coming to you with this stuff. That's so cool.

[Harry Jowsey]

It's crazy.

[Podcast Host]

You earned that. Like, you earned that. I'm serious. And that's badass. And you got a ring, which is so cool. Typically, I could speak to my experience of what I know in the show and all the people that we've talked about is you go really quick into filming. I had Rachel rechy on you yesterday. I don't know if it's come out before or after this one, but she had talked about that, like on live tv. That moment, that second she found out she was picked. They went into filming. On her way to filming, she had to call her employer and be like, hey, this happened. Whoa. And they were like, we got you. We saw it go. The two month lead time leads to something that's kind of interesting, especially when you know, you want to get married and you have the network you do. Are you casting for yourself? Like, are you out there casting for yourself? Can you at all talk about. And you, you, you don't know, but do you think there might be a combination of like reality stars and.

[Harry Jowsey]

I don't actually. You know what? I don't think so.

[Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Harry Jowsey]

I don't know because everyone who's been cast has signed up. I guess I don't know if the castings down or whatever else?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

All they said is a lot of people signed up. And I'm like, okay, that's really scary because I went into Netflix and I was like, hey, like, has there been like a hundred people sign up? They're like thousands of people signed Up.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

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[Harry Jowsey]

Which is. Made me feel so flattered.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

So flattered that all these people either want to sign up or be on a Netflix show, which is equally as cool. I love, I guess. But I kind of told them, yeah, I don't want anyone in this space. I don't want anyone that's in the Netflix Interesting universe.

[Podcast Host]

Interest.

[Harry Jowsey]

I like, we had some big meetings about, like, what would make a good partner. And the best thing is all my people that I care about the most in my life are coming on to help pick the person because they've seen me be sad, they've seen me be happy, they've seen me like, this is my perfect person. They've heard it all from start to finish and know what I need in a wife. I just think that because it's such a big family project, everyone has got the same goal and everyone will know immediately. Fingers crossed.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

Who it is. So I've kind of just said, don't tell me anything. I don't want to know. I'm going to figure it out when I get there. And I trust. I trust all these people in my life. So. Fingers crossed.

[Podcast Host]

The other thing too is like, one of the struggles is once you finish filming, especially for you, it's gonna be.

[Harry Jowsey]

Fuck, it's gonna be good.

[Podcast Host]

You're gonna have like, let's just say filming wraps in November and it doesn't air till the 2026. At some point, like, you're gonna have to keep. You're have to lay low, man. That's going to be your time. You pull back and stay up social media, because if anybody sees you with the person that's going to leak. So think about.

[Harry Jowsey]

No, I've already got a house found in Australia that I'm going to hide at.

[Podcast Host]

Wow, you're prepared, man.

[Harry Jowsey]

Brother, you have no idea the shit I've been doing.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Harry Jowsey]

I've read. I just finished this book called He Scared. She's Scared.

[Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Harry Jowsey]

Which is about commitment phobic people to see if I had any of this stuff going on.

[Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Harry Jowsey]

In the middle of People who Walk on Eggshells to learn about personality disorders and stuff. Just. Just in case. Yeah, like, in case I've got something wrong with me. But, like, just to learn more about, like, relationship stuff. There's literally every day I'm trying to finish a book. I'm now in, like, Joe Dispenser's book about Dispenza's book about visualizing and, like, thinking bigger. And I'm starting to meditate because I'M like, really want to get. Like, I really want to. This is, like, intentful. Like, the only reason why I taught the handle work so well for me. Yeah. Is because I was laying in bed in a meditative state every night before I went on thinking about, like, this is the person I want to be have. And kind of, this is what I want to get out of this. And all the stuff, like, really manifesting and feeling that I've already done it. And all these other shows I've done before this point, I haven't really prepared. I've just been like, okay, cool. I'm gonna drink and have fun. This one. Because I know there's so many people that are putting sweat, tears, love, money, tons of money into this. I'm like, if I. If. And. And also the amount of people that are doubting that I'm ready for this, like, it's actually insane how many people do not think I'm ready. So I'm like, well, do I think I'm ready? I'm gonna make myself ready. I'll do all the work to make sure that I'm ready to rock. Like, I've still been seeing my therapist more now than ever to figure out what has happened in my childhood that it potentially makes me pull away or not. Like, the biggest thing I realize is I'm not good at being direct at all when it comes to relationships. If I feel some type. Way about something, I'll dance around it so I don't upset people.

[Podcast Host]

That's the walking on eggshells, right?

[Harry Jowsey]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there's, like, so much stuff that I like. This is the first time I've ever, every single day, like, making sure that I've. I'm doing the work. So by the time it comes down. Yeah, it has to go down.

[Podcast Host]

Dude, that's beautiful. I think people are gonna hear that. They're gonna be so excited for you, because I'm telling you, I don't know who I'm looking at, but this is not the Harry Jowsey from 20 20. I'm lying because he's bullshit.

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[Podcast Host]

On this podcast too. Also. Career navigation Talk to me about the financial reality of being you know, you get offered this show, they came to you, you're the guy, you're the lead. Your value these days is off the charts. You also have individual partnerships that you're monetizing off. How does just walk me through a little bit of the finances between being a Netflix reality star versus like independent brand deals and do you do something like this for the check? Do you negotiate? Is it something that is more of a brand play? Walk me through that.

[Harry Jowsey]

I think when it comes to Netflix, the biggest opportunity and the way you make the most amount of money is after the show. Thankfully this, this is the most I've ever been paid for a show and I'm really like appreciative of that. And they're being over generous.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

With what they're I guess we've also been working together for a long time and I've taken a few hits on other shows where I'm like I I've lost money on this but also I just love work. Like I could. There was a point where I'm like.

[Podcast Host]

What do you mean last money. How would you lose money?

[Harry Jowsey]

Say the I say I spend more on my wardrobe or I see take or not being present for deals or whatever else. Like oh I see there could be a month where there's like 200k in brand deals. Can't do it because I'm filming this show which again is the opportunity cost. But it's also, like, there. It keeps in the things moving forward.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

In the future. But I think that we've been in a really good position. Like, back when you saw me, I was not brand safe at all.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

Like, brands didn't really with me. I also didn't know the value in having potentially, like, a respected voice or being able to say something and people be like, oh, cool, I want to try that, or I like this person, so I'm gonna support them in what they do. So now I think we're in a way better position to get bigger brand deals. We've got some good ones.

[Podcast Host]

Are you making more off independent brand deals or reality tv when you look.

[Harry Jowsey]

At, like, independent brand deals.

[Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Harry Jowsey]

By a long shot after this show.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

Maybe. No, I think. Yeah. I still make more money from brand deals and stuff, but obviously I couldn't get the brand deals without the show.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

So even on this show, I would have paid Netflix to have me on because, number one, I'm ready to get married. But number two, I just love working with them, and they're the best. Like, I don't want to go anywhere else. Yeah. Unless that's it.

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[Podcast Host]

All right. We're gonna get into acting because it is wild to do reality TV and acting. I do want to get, like, you are a massive reality TV star. There's so much happening in the business space of reality tv. You got Love island that is blowing up at levels we've never seen 18, 20 billion minutes streamed off a TV show. You have, you know, kind of the Bachelor franchise pulling back a little bit, trying to. Trying to make their splash. Netflix has some unbelievable shows. Right. Like Love is Blind, all these things. Reality TV is now a market that is. I don't know if I want to use the word oversaturated, but let's call it much more saturated than it was when you were in the game in 20, 20, 21. Early on, what's like, your state of the union of reality tv? What do you think about it? Where do you think it's gonna go? Like, what's the. What's the business hat of Harry Jowsey thinking about when you think reality TV now?

[Harry Jowsey]

I think that reality TV is so drama driven, like the Love Island. The reason why this season was so good is the amount of drama.

[Podcast Host]

Like, I.

[Harry Jowsey]

Like I first time I ever watched Love island was this season.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

And I watched, like, the reunion the whole way through because I'm like, oh, I wonder what drama is gonna come out of it. I think at some, like, the pendulum is obviously gonna swing back the other way. Whether people are gonna be like, okay, like this is too crazy and too much in our household and too much anxiety all the time. I think for me as a talent on these shows, my goal is been like, I can't be a grown ass man and having screaming matches every night on shows.

[Podcast Host]

Right? Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

So that's why they're moving over to like the scripted stuff where it's like the shelf life's a lot better and it's a lot more playful. Also, those sets are way more fun because everyone has the same mission and the same goal. So everyone, when you're on this movie set, compared to reality set, like reality set, the camera guys aren't really talking to you. Like they kind of want you to be in that bubble, in that atmosphere. Whereas on a movie set, everyone's like, oh, so excited because they've all read the script, they're all excited. They know what we're doing today and they're long hours and everyone's hustling and getting stuff, stuff done. So I think when it comes to reality tv, there's. We're in such a great point right now. Like, everything is awesome, everything's up and coming, everything's going crazy. But I think that pendulum will swing the other way.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, I think it's a good point. Unscripted. It's also, I've never heard that perspective reality tv, there's always such a battle between what individual cast member is trying to achieve, what production needs, and then what high level executives needs. And a lot of those things all don't align. And it's interesting to hear unscripted, like we are all here from producers to handlers to actors and actresses to make the best possible show we can make, period. End of story, common goal. That's a fascinating thing. How do you get, how do you make the jump from reality TV to scripted? Did you go to acting classes? Did you talk to the right agents? What did the career navigation look like?

[Harry Jowsey]

Dude, it just came down to starting like get and getting obsessed with it.

[Podcast Host]

Like doing auditions or studying.

[Harry Jowsey]

No. So I started with a coach, Kimberly Bigsby. She was my first ever coach. We love her. She's the best. She just started doing like zoom calls with me and teaching me how to go through stuff, recommending books, whatever else. And then. And it's so, bro, it's so weird like to play and to be a big kid. It's the weirdest thing ever. But it's so that an exercise they.

[Podcast Host]

Do, like, put yourself as a kid.

[Harry Jowsey]

No, because you have to know just in general, because you have to imagine, right? You have to use your imagination. When was the last time you, like, pretended to do something? Exactly. You don't pretend ever. So, like, it's.

[Podcast Host]

So is that an exercise they would do, like, pretend to do this?

[Harry Jowsey]

No, no, it was just. It just like how I would feel when I'm doing it.

[Podcast Host]

Gotcha.

[Harry Jowsey]

And then I would tell her, like, hey, Kimberly, like, I feel a little bit weird. And she's like, that's okay. Like, it's fine to, like, be creative and use your imagination again and like to feel strange about it because you're in your living room pretending that you're getting shot in the arm and like. Like this. Yeah, you have to, like, get out of your head about it. So I thought that was like the most interesting thing, but I started doing. I've done hundreds of auditions. Hundreds. Like, so many. But I think the thing is, is just getting Matthew McConaughey's book is really good because he was like, it's in his book. He said, it's just business. It's not personal. Everyone's gonna say no. And that's what. Once I realized, it's like, oh, just. I should just get obsessed with doing this stuff and, like, having fun and learning an American accent, learning how to play, learning how to do it.

[Podcast Host]

Can you do an American accent?

[Harry Jowsey]

Yeah, but not on.

[Podcast Host]

You gotta, like, go in the zone. Yeah, okay.

[Harry Jowsey]

I gotta, like, read the words. Yeah, yeah. But doing that and then just becoming obsessed with what you're doing is really exciting. And then the business aspect of that is so much more exciting because you get to. You're being judged on a reality TV show as a version of yourself or a played up version of yourself. When you're doing these movies and other stuff, like, people are going to judge a character and you get to talk about yourself in like, third person as that character.

[Podcast Host]

Interesting.

[Harry Jowsey]

Which is way better than like, oh, Harry, watch this clip back. Why did you kiss that girl? Yeah, like, sure, it's cool and it got me here and it's really exciting. But the shelf life and the family dynamic of a. Of a movie set, so much more fun.

[Podcast Host]

Interesting to hear the business. You said kiss a girl on rally tv, but you said before the show you had to actually kiss a girl on Horrified.

[Harry Jowsey]

Yes.

[Podcast Host]

So you have a sex scene on Horrified. Tell me about. Before we get into that, tell me about, like, what is it like auditioning for, like, the audition process? How many steps Is it for something like a show, like an indie film? Like horrified indie film.

[Harry Jowsey]

I was good because I was offer on these so they came to me which is.

[Podcast Host]

That's so cool.

[Harry Jowsey]

Lucky.

[Podcast Host]

So sometimes you don't have to audition.

[Harry Jowsey]

Yeah, sometimes you just take a hike with, with the right guy and he's like oh, I know what they're doing.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Harry Jowsey]

Or you have a lunch with a friend because you never know. Like the best thing about LA is it could be an Uber and the driver could be casting for a film. It's like you don't know who's going to be doing something cool. That's why I just like love everyone because everyone's great and on their own journey. Yeah, but the, yeah, the Netflix one was offer only and then Billy Knight was a one no offer only. Is that crazy?

[Podcast Host]

The wrong path? Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

Yeah, the wrong Paris was a straight up offer but Billy Knight, I had to audition for that. But it's, it's usually like you do the audition if potential table read, whatever else. But I got a call right away.

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[Harry Jowsey]

Just essentially the going through the script with everyone in the room to feel the vibe, see if the energy's there.

[Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Harry Jowsey]

To kind of play a little bit to see if it all gels and makes sense. And a lot of the time, like some people don't make it back from the table read. Like, they're just like, all right, we need to try someone else to see there's chemistry there. Cuz a lot of that, like energy kind of reads.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, right?

[Harry Jowsey]

Yeah. I love it.

[Podcast Host]

All right. With Horrified, Got to ask. It's a question we would never know. How challenging, how weird. What are some behind the scenes trading season wouldn't know about actually being in the career of an actor and having to film a sex scene? What is something that people wouldn't know about that? And when can they watch Horrified?

[Harry Jowsey]

I wish. I actually don't know. I know. They just. I know we're doing our rap party this weekend. That's kind of fun.

[Podcast Host]

Okay. Soon.

[Harry Jowsey]

Yeah, soon. I think it's gonna come out pretty quick because they were. They were moving pretty quick on it.

[Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Harry Jowsey]

But with a love scene like that, it's very weird because there's like 30 or 40 people there.

[Podcast Host]

Like, interesting.

[Harry Jowsey]

And we had. Because it was any film had to rush because of the budget as well. Like, had to be done by midnight. So it's like first ever sexy. They're rushing me. I'm freaking out. I don't know what to do.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

Like, luckily, like my. My dance partner in the scene was. She's done it before and she was awesome. Like, she was really. Because I was nervous. I'm like, this is crazy.

[Podcast Host]

Of course.

[Harry Jowsey]

Like, I don't want to do the wrong thing. I also like, don't put my hand in the wrong spot.

[Podcast Host]

Sure.

[Harry Jowsey]

I don't to want.

[Podcast Host]

Want, yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

Anyone to feel uncomfortable. And it was just so fun. And then smoking on a fake cigarette was also weird because it was like fake herbs and tastes. Like a cigarette didn't have any tobacco in it.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

Very, very, like, interesting. And like, not what you would think because like the sex scenes, what they also explain to me is like, they're not really hot at all because there's so many people watching. And then you have to take from this angle and you're saying there like no shirt on. Like, what do I do? Yeah, but I've also had real sex on tv, so I'm like, ah, this is nothing.

[Podcast Host]

This is cake. All right. How different? We talk money on this podcast too, of course. You know, how different are the pay structures between reality TV and scripted tv?

[Harry Jowsey]

I think scripted. It's not good.

[Podcast Host]

Really.

[Harry Jowsey]

Well, I think once you get paid.

[Podcast Host]

It'S significantly less than reality.

[Harry Jowsey]

Yeah, for sure. Oh, I think it. It depends. It really. All this stuff depends. Right. It's all the scale. I think, obviously, like, indie films and stuff, people aren't really getting paid too. Too much.

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[Harry Jowsey]

Reality tv, like, if you do Dance With Stars, all these other shows, you're gonna get paid a great amount of money. Everything's good. But as you're, like, working your way up, I think that a lot of people need to, like. I think people freak out about not making a ton of money off the. Off the jump. Like, I don't want to first at a show without even having any followers or anything. It was like $250 a week.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Harry Jowsey]

It's like you're just doing it for the love of the game.

[Podcast Host]

Sure.

[Harry Jowsey]

And then you get. Then you get, like, if you're in the system long enough, enough, then you start to make the. The real money, and everything's, like, really cool. So I feel like with the scripted stuff, I kind of. I'm starting from scratch. Like, I gotta. It's ground up.

[Podcast Host]

It's so cool that you're doing scripted for Netflix. Same leading, unscripted for Netflix with the wrong Paris and Billy Knight, and then you're alongside Al Pacino. I mean, like, that is. That's unheard of. Tell us some stuff behind the scenes about the. This career track and the wrong Paris and Billy Knight and being opposite Al Pacino that, like, we just wouldn't know unless we heard from you.

[Harry Jowsey]

So the. The crazy thing about the wrong Paris is it's a fake bachelor show.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

Do you know that?

[Podcast Host]

I didn't know that. No.

[Harry Jowsey]

So it's essentially. And they might cook me for this, but it's like, when I read the script, I'm like, oh, this is the Bachelor. Yeah, but like a play on the Bachelor. And I thought it was kind of hilarious because we did. I don't know that time, but that was when. Then let's Marry Harry was kind of being developed and, like, thought about okay as well, something. It's kind of funny that I'm on a fake dating show that I'm about to go to checks. Yeah, dude. And it was epic. We filmed, only had a couple days on set for the Wrong Parish, but we were in Vancouver. Pearson and Miranda, the best people. One of My friends, Hannah was on set. Like, everyone was awesome. And again, it's the same thing. Like, everyone is like, we'd all be chilling at the back. Like, just feels like a bunch of big kids.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

Having a good time. And then you get to, like. And that's the best thing about the scripted stuff is you get to learn so much, like, why is the sound guy doing that? Or why is the lighting guy doing this? Then when I did it. Have you ever done adr? We have to go into a booth and, like, voiceover something.

[Podcast Host]

Not. I've only had to do, like, when I wrote my book. And you had to, like, go into a booth and read your book back.

[Harry Jowsey]

But yes. So like that.

[Podcast Host]

But like, what is ADR stuff? I don't even. Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

Audio driving.

[Podcast Host]

Something over. Okay.

[Harry Jowsey]

Yeah. Do you know what else is that? We don't know. But something with audio.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

But like, watching. Watching the movie and then having to go.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. So weird. So, like, doing that. It's like, so it's so opposite of what's so natural with unscripted, which is just being you.

[Harry Jowsey]

Yeah. You get to have fun.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. You get to, like, rip it. All right, dude. Do you have any information on when those shows are coming out, those movies?

[Harry Jowsey]

I know the wrong Paris is out, and then I don't know about the other. The other two.

[Podcast Host]

Okay. More to come on that. We'll stay tuned on your socials. Talk to me about the podcast. I mean, under Alex Cooper on. Well, network. It's. How is it going? How has it been? Is what you expected, financially and professionally?

[Harry Jowsey]

I think it's been. We're getting in a really good rhythm. Like, we're having really cool people. Come on.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

It's. You know how it is. It's really hard to, like, sit down and prepare and, like, get excited about someone maybe you don't know too much about.

[Podcast Host]

Sure. When.

[Harry Jowsey]

Like, I don't think I'm very good at, like, reading the questions. Like, you're really good at it and, like. And keeping the structure.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

I feel like I'm more just like, it. Let's just, like, talk about whatever. Like, tell me. So now I also.

[Podcast Host]

Real life motto is like, it, but it works. Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

Let's figure it out.

[Podcast Host]

But it works.

[Harry Jowsey]

It works. Yeah. No, I think now. And it's kind of crazy. If I do research on my guests, I get way more excited.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

If I'm like. Because I used to just walk in and, like, read the cards and be like, all right, cool. We're gonna have fun.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. This is cool.

[Harry Jowsey]

But now I'm like, I should probably put a little bit more love and energy into this. And it's been going really well. People seem to like it. I think we are gonna restructure a little bit and have it more playful. Like a little bit more me.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

Because even you know what's crazy is like, I don't want to have this serious, like, why did he cheat on you? Why did you do this? I don't have those conversations. I don't think I'm gonna feel like you.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

Yeah. I'm not the guy to break that news.

[Podcast Host]

No.

[Harry Jowsey]

And it's. It's tough. So I just. I think it's like now, now it's. The goal is to have more playful fun. Sit down. Like, great, silly conversations.

[Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Harry Jowsey]

I don't know if I can be serious.

[Podcast Host]

Gotcha. Is Alex very involved with, like, the creative and stuff of all this?

[Harry Jowsey]

Actually Insane. Really is so hands on with every show that she does.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Harry Jowsey]

Like, and that's the thing. You don't have to.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

You're the richest person in life.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

Like, you've done it all.

[Podcast Host]

Done it.

[Harry Jowsey]

Yeah. You've put us all under your wing. You help guiding us. She's on every single zoom call. She's like, going through the merch designs like this. This last thing. We were like, oh, we're gonna have a restructure. She's leading the meeting. I'm like, Alex, like, what are we like? You are chillin.

[Podcast Host]

You're all good.

[Harry Jowsey]

You don't worry about little old me.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

But she just loves this so much that she's so passionate. And this is my read on Alex. I think Alex's goal is to have someone under her or someone at the Animal Network become bigger and better than what she's ever done because she's very selfless.

[Podcast Host]

Us. Interesting.

[Harry Jowsey]

Very excited about other people winning. Like, when it came to, like, let's marry Harry, I remember I was getting calls like, she's so pumped. So excited to do this. It gets creative, gets excited. Like, she is such a good human. And. Yeah, I'll dive her.

[Podcast Host]

I love it. Let's go. So you're changing the podcast a little bit. Alex is very involved. More to come on that is there. You know, I'm thinking about your. Your acting career and what you got coming out. There's so much in the future here. You talked a little bit about shows that you've passed on. Are there any shows that you can speak to that you've passed on? That you've thought twice about, like, oh, maybe I should have taken that.

[Harry Jowsey]

Excellent beach.

[Podcast Host]

Really?

[Harry Jowsey]

And the challenge.

[Podcast Host]

Okay. Interesting.

[Harry Jowsey]

Excellent beach. I think it was around the time I saw you.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

And I think they started offering me fucking insane money.

[Podcast Host]

Can you share how much?

[Harry Jowsey]

I think it was, like, it started at, like, $70,000.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

And that was the most I've ever been offered for sure.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

And then it got up to, like, 180 or something around that. That. But the problem was, I saw, like, my team was like, hey, we think it's a great opportunity.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

Like, this obviously insane amount of money at that time. But my team was like, your ex is in Spain where they're filming. Like, we've seen her post a story there.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

And at that time, things weren't good at all. And I also was like, I'm not at a point where I would be okay to have a camera on me and have to deal with. With this situation. And if things go sour, then my reaction is all crying on tv. Like, I wasn't ready to cry on tv, so I'm like, I'm gonna wait. And so I turned down that. I think. I think the challenge reached out a couple times, but there's a few other ones. Oh, I think I'm a celeb. Get me out of here. The Australian one.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

I think that was gonna happen, but then I ended up doing an amazing race, which was really cool. Yeah. But now, yeah, it's like, more just like challenge shows. Like, I feel I want to do challenge shows.

[Podcast Host]

You've hit the gamut. You now got the wrong Paris Billy Knight. And then you got horrified coming out in the act. You'll have let's Marry Harry in the unscripted world. Once these are all done.

[Harry Jowsey]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Crystal balls in front of you. You've done almost every reality show.

[Harry Jowsey]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

What direction do you think majority of your times will be spent scripted or unscripted?

[Harry Jowsey]

Scripted.

[Podcast Host]

You said that with certainty.

[Harry Jowsey]

Yeah. For sure, dude. So fun.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Harry Jowsey]

I think where we're at a point now is we're creating shows. Like, I've got the best people around me. Just became a part owner in the LA rugby team.

[Podcast Host]

Let's go. That's so cool.

[Harry Jowsey]

Making some stuff happen with that and following that journey along, which is really exciting. So if I could produce reality shows, that's the goal. The goal is to produce reality shows beyond scripted stuff, because it's so exciting to be able to watch this stuff come together and to come to light. So now I'm obviously in A really like this one of my life's been pretty crazy recently is because I know I'm about to leave to have this life changing, most incredible experience of a show happen. But before that, what seeds can I plant? So now there's like three massive show ideas that I have. That which Netflix, I'm going to come to them first obviously because I love them and bring those ideas before I go film so that at least I can blossom while I'm away and then come back and everyone's chilling, everyone's happy. But that's the goal is to produce these shows, have feel goods. Like I think after the Mary Harry's done, all I want to do is have shows that make people feel good. Not the drama filled shows.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

Whatever else. Like let's learn something. Like let's grow together. Let's figure some stuff out. Because that, that's where the passion is. Like sure, he'd go do another hookup show and have someone scream at you and be a sausage and kiss the wrong girl. Yeah. But it's not fulfilling. And it's also. That's not going to build a real community of people that love what you do.

[Podcast Host]

I love it. In 2021, we talked about what you're talking about. 2025, you're manifesting this idea. Producer 2030, you're going to be like an executive at Netflix back in this chair. And dude, you remember what you said 10 years ago, you sicko. Look at you now, you're doing it. All right. The only other topic I got to get into is, I mean there's so much to get into with you, but time is ticking is social media. There's a lot of questions about monetization of social media. The one thing I got to ask, going back to 2021, the goal was 10 million a year. How is that goal? Are we still working on it?

[Harry Jowsey]

We're working on it.

[Podcast Host]

And you want to be a millionaire by 23. How's that gonna question? All right, let's go. Check, check. It's still there. Let's go. What's next? Do you have before you to social media? Do you have any financial goals or anything that connect to like money and aspirations that are on your forefront?

[Harry Jowsey]

I think just the biggest, the biggest goal now is to have like a farm or something in Australia.

[Podcast Host]

Really cool.

[Harry Jowsey]

Yeah. So obviously. But then when it comes to like monetary goals, I've got like I, I've never like, I think at that time I was obsessed with the number.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

Now she's obsessed with like I guess.

[Podcast Host]

The energy or the feeling, that's massive growth.

[Harry Jowsey]

Yeah. Because I think that's where you become really rich and you become happy and.

[Podcast Host]

Like, it's rich in other ways.

[Harry Jowsey]

And it's also like, yeah, who really cares about stuff? Yes. I've got. You know what's crazy? One of my friends, he lives well below his means. I had no idea how rich this guy was. No idea. He was accidentally drunk, pulled overstate. $405 million made last year. And I was in there, Mike, and he's like, do you think I give a fuck? Like, who cares? Like these, like this is impressive to you. But like, whatever. Like I. And he's just so happy with where he's at. But he's just done so well, set himself up and lives so below his means and just has like such a good time. But it's just like the energy. I'm like, wow. I see guys that are making that amount of money that are struggling and aren't good, but this guy's just so rich because he feels. Feels where he's at and like, his energy is there. I don't know if that makes any sense, but he's like, I think just because his energy was there, he's able to get to the point of making X amount of.

[Podcast Host]

No, I think it makes sense too. Like, you're not looking at, like back at 21, you're looking at 10 million now. You're like, it doesn't mean. That doesn't mean anything to me. Yeah, I'm looking at like, I'm trying to prepare myself to go on a show where I can meet my wife. I want to prepare myself to, like, be able to go to Australia and have a farm. Like, you're thinking like, as a visionary. You're not thinking like a toy. A young 20 year old, like, punk throwing a number on. Like, that's. I think that's incredible. Incredible growth. I think it's, it's. It's pretty special. This episode of Trading Secrets is brought to you by booking.com I've got to say, if you're looking to grow your vacation rental business, this is the place to be. Booking.com is one of the most downloaded travel apps in the world. And for good reason. Since 2010, they've helped over 1.8 billion vacation rental guests find places to stay. Yeah, I said billion with a b. But here's the thing. Most vacation rental hosts don't even realize that they can list their properties on booking.com, it's usually where we go to book our own. And if you're not on the platform, your rental is basically invisible to millions that are using booking.com all the travels worldwide. After all, they can't book what they can't see, right? So here's the deal. Deal. If your vacation rental isn't listed on booking.com, it could be invisible to millions of travelers searching the platform. Don't miss out consistently on bookings and the global reach. Head over to booking.com and start your listing today. Get seen, get booked on booking.com before I go into social media though, let's marry. Harry. You are got the ring. One thing I talk about with of a lot every guest that comes on this show, the the intersection between love and money is tough. It's a very tough one. Do you have any like hard fast rules? Are you going to talk about money and career? You're going to like what is, what's your just take on that as you enter into a position where you might actually get engaged on Netflix.

[Harry Jowsey]

What do you think I should do?

[Podcast Host]

I think you should talk about it.

[Harry Jowsey]

Really.

[Podcast Host]

My advice would be that a lot of connection these days it's built on consumption and not intention. And I think that we live in a world where people talk about their finances and as a result of it, it we then weaponize it, we blame it, we shame it, we use it as like a tool to like beat them up or judge them. And I think if someone's being willing to be open with you about like what they're making or financial struggles they're having, that's not a red flag. The red flag is them lying about it or putting on some facade that isn't true, not being vulnerable. And I think it creates connection. So if I was you, I would step into it. I'd be like, tell me about your situations. What are things you struggle with? Like what are the finances look like? Because when you get engaged, the biggest difference between like engagement and a marriage, truly there's a lot of things are emotional but from business perspective it's a contract, you know and like every single state has a prenup and those are the state laws. And then you could make the decision to adjust and customize those laws or you could just take the laws that the state gives you, which everyone has. Damn. So that's my perspective on it.

[Harry Jowsey]

It's a really good perspective given that.

[Podcast Host]

Do you have a take like do you have a hard and fast on pre dumps or any type of love and money rules or.

[Harry Jowsey]

Well, I Probably should have a preference up.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

Just in case. You never know what could happen. And I don't know. I. Yeah. I've never even. Haven't really thought about it. Too fixed. Fixated on trying to be a good guy.

[Podcast Host]

You're just growing and changing. All right, a few things on social media before we wrap. You got nearly 10 million followers across all platforms. How do you strategically approach the monetization of them? And then which platform do you monetize the most on?

[Harry Jowsey]

I think obviously Instagram make the most. It's really difficult because I. I feel like everyone gets in their head about posting and, like, it's too afraid of, like. Like freaks out. Like, this is gonna bomb. It's not gonna do well. I got the point where I was only posting podcast clips. I'm like, this is kind of boring for. Yeah, like, people. This people. All they see when I come to my stuff is just this. So I was. I wasn't even posting, like, photos of myself or any, like, cool stuff from, like, events. And I think once I got out of my head, it was a little bit more freeing. But this scheduling post is the most freeing thing ever. Yeah. Because then you can do one a.

[Podcast Host]

Day and don't even care.

[Harry Jowsey]

Yeah, don't even care. It's all good. Don't worry about it. And then you can focus on, like, feeling better and having better energy. TikTok's been a bit of a tough one recently. Like, there's been a few videos that have cracked and, like, have done well, but I kind of just get in that mindset of posting a ton and then just deleting the ones that, like, don't do well.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

And that's what I've been doing on Instagram as well. Like, let's just post everything thing get out of it. Just get it up. And then once it's up, then just delete the ones that, like, don't hit.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

Obviously Snapchat makes a ton of money.

[Podcast Host]

Is which of those platforms Snapchat, tick tock, Instagram, YouTube? Are you making the most on Instagram?

[Harry Jowsey]

Obviously. But Snapchat consistently.

[Podcast Host]

Are you doing Snapchat, like every single day? Just pump.

[Harry Jowsey]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

And how many posts do you usually do on your story?

[Harry Jowsey]

I used to just like when I was doing Dance with the Stars, bro, I was posting so much, I think I was making like 70,000amonth. Interesting. And I think one day there when I posted 500 times in a day.

[Podcast Host]

I made like 30500 times.

[Harry Jowsey]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

In one day.

[Harry Jowsey]

Yeah, I made like 30k but it was like a year recap. Like guys, this is what I'm so thankful for this year. And I sat there for like three or four hours, but imagine there's, that's 10k an hour.

[Podcast Host]

I just sat there. Unbelievable.

[Harry Jowsey]

Literally just like, just like everything I could think of from that year, it was, it's a, obviously a hack for people who have Snapchat and at the end of the year and they're like, okay, cool. Like now I'm gonna sit down and like figure it out. But those have been like my biggest days. Yeah, but yeah, consistently. And also I just got like a really good family over at Snapchat as well. Like, they're really cool. Like anytime someone's on a reality show, you gotta talk to Brooke Barry. She's gonna help.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, she's the best.

[Harry Jowsey]

She's the best.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Yeah, she's the one.

[Harry Jowsey]

We love Brooke.

[Podcast Host]

Unbelievable. It's, it's, it was crazy. Like you say 500 times a day. I feel like AI and like robotics are now coming into social media. Like one day, like we're getting to a point like an AI person to be able to sit on Snapchat and just like 500. It's going to be interesting to see like how that changes.

[Harry Jowsey]

Have you seen this? AI agents for, for business.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, it's crazy. Crazy.

[Harry Jowsey]

It's like, it's, it's a label.

[Podcast Host]

It's quite terrifying, honestly, because I'm just like, how do you get ahead of it? Especially in a world like digital that we're in.

[Harry Jowsey]

That's where I the podcast anymore.

[Podcast Host]

You're gonna be an actor though, so you're cooked.

[Harry Jowsey]

I'm done. I can't act that good, brother.

[Podcast Host]

Films are so, they're so good at acting. What is thing I got for you is, what is the biggest brand deal that you've done? What's your like the biggest brand deal? I don't know if you can share dollars and cents at all, but like the biggest one you got, I think.

[Harry Jowsey]

It was like Tinder. They came in insane. I think it was, I think it was over half a ticket.

[Podcast Host]

Damn. Let's go closer to 600 for you, man.

[Harry Jowsey]

Because they kept, we kept doing more and more, more stuff. Yeah, it was like a six month contract and then I, there was like ads that I was doing. There's other stuff I was doing, so just kept adding more stuff on and it was so awesome.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

Over there, I think it was like five or six hundred.

[Podcast Host]

I love it, man. I love it.

[Harry Jowsey]

And they were great.

[Podcast Host]

And the last thing I got for I asked you in 2021. It's a layup, but it's always interesting to see how it changed. What's one thing that you overspend on? You know, you overspend on and no matter what, you're gonna keep overspending on it.

[Harry Jowsey]

Dude, I don't know how I spend so much money. It's pissing me off.

[Podcast Host]

You gotta look at that stuff.

[Harry Jowsey]

No, bro. Like, I have to put like a limit on my credit card.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

And then even today I'm seeing that good budgeting tip.

[Podcast Host]

Dude, put a limit though and then you'll know.

[Harry Jowsey]

I don't fucking know. I just turned it off today. It's just. I went to paper parking. Like, decline drove your limit. I'm like, fuck that. Turn that shit off.

[Podcast Host]

Turn it back on.

[Harry Jowsey]

Yeah, it's inconvenience. I think the thing I spend the most money on is probably food.

[Podcast Host]

Okay, gotcha. Is like, is it fine dining? Is it UberEats? Is it grocery? Like, what do you.

[Harry Jowsey]

It's so stupid. On my. On my podcast is one episode. I. I'd spent $8,000 that month. Month on UberEats.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, my God. What the hell are you ordering?

[Harry Jowsey]

I don't know, dude. I just get excited.

[Podcast Host]

Buy it for everyone or did you.

[Harry Jowsey]

Just go the whole building? Like, guys, like, let's go. I don't know. Yeah, I think food is definitely the crazy.

[Podcast Host]

I just love it.

[Harry Jowsey]

Just the convenience of not leaving the house.

[Podcast Host]

Okay, okay, I got it.

[Harry Jowsey]

So I'm like, guys bring like Air Force ones.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

I always buy shoes on Instagram.

[Podcast Host]

If I go in that AK and I see it, where's the. Like, where are you spending the most of that?

[Harry Jowsey]

Is it like.

[Podcast Host]

No, I know, but is it like faster?

[Harry Jowsey]

Is it sushi?

[Podcast Host]

Like, what is it? What's the item?

[Harry Jowsey]

I think it's probably sushi.

[Podcast Host]

Sushi.

[Harry Jowsey]

But now since the. The show, I've got a chef.

[Podcast Host]

I love it. Good. You got a chef.

[Harry Jowsey]

Yeah. So I can. So I don't up. But I still eat chocolates every day.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, so you can eat. So you're getting ready for the show. You're going to be lean, mean, ra Boxing.

[Harry Jowsey]

I'm running.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Wow.

[Podcast Host]

You're not fighting here. Well, you're not.

[Harry Jowsey]

You don't have your brothers. Yeah. Also, you don't know what I'm going to say.

[Podcast Host]

That's true.

[Harry Jowsey]

I need to fight myself.

[Podcast Host]

You might be fighting. Actually, I'm.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Hold on.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, but you got the ring and you got a wild Future coming up. End with this and then we'll get your trading seque secret. Just pitch us. Give it like, you know, we've had sharks from Shark Tank on here. We've had some of the biggest businessmen and they pitch us, pitch us on the future of Harry Jowsey. What do we have to look forward to? What should we stay tuned for?

[Harry Jowsey]

Guys, strap yourself.

[Podcast Host]

Here we go. Give me the pitch.

[Harry Jowsey]

What is coming up and what to stay tuned for is the whole lot of fun. You're going to be absolutely eyes through your fingers. Oh, you're going to be. Yeah, literally, you're going to be like, oh, I don't know if I should watch this, but I'm excited to watch it. I think that my goal has always been make my friends laugh and give my friends that, like, little distraction they have every week now I have so many more friends, so many more people follow us. I don't know if I said it on the first time we met, but the reason why I went on reality TV is one of my brother's best friends took his life. Now I've had two more. My best friend from the first show I did.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, you didn't share.

[Harry Jowsey]

Took his life. And then one of my friends moms took their life. We have the highest suicide rate per capita in Australia and New Zealand. So my goal has always been, like, even if people are watching me and they're like, this guy's an idiot. And they're laughing at me or they're laughing with me, it doesn't matter. That's the goal has always been, let's give people their 40 minutes a week so that they can laugh at something stupid I'm doing. So that's why, like, the hate all this other shit, it's like, well, you're distracted from your shit that's going on by laughing at me. And I get to do what I love by making my friends laugh.

[Podcast Host]

That is a beautiful way to wrap the podcast. I mean, I think that is so cool that you're finding even through the highs and lows, the boos and the cheers, you get to see that that's an entertainment source for people. And you've seen people that have gone through a lot of things in their life and just a smile every day or an entertainment source or an outlet can put someone in a different direction. And your foresight to that, that's really cool. And I think, you know, one thing, next time you're back here, when you're an executive at Netflix, I also want you to be.

[Harry Jowsey]

I'M gonna run the company.

[Podcast Host]

I want you to be the founder of a non for profit dedicated to that mission. That's what I want one of your projects to be. When you make all this money from this next show and then you find your wife, I want you to do that. That's.

[Harry Jowsey]

That's a charity event coming up.

[Podcast Host]

There you go.

[Harry Jowsey]

It's so with the skincare line.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

And my friend Hunter, he's got his brand. Make sure your friends are okay. We've really bonded over losing people that we love. But the goal with that is to do more fun events, get people to talk about their struggles and, like, let's realize we're all not alone. So next time I see you, I'll have a more official thing that's going on.

[Podcast Host]

I love it. I love it. The charity. And we'll talk more about the business. You got to wrap with a trading secret, so it's specific to you. We can't learn it from a TikTok tutorial or, you know, YouTuber professor. We can only learn it from your experience, your life financially, professionally, personally. What trading secret can you leave us with?

[Harry Jowsey]

I feel like when it comes to this stuff, being in the space, being on social media, being on tv is just to realize it's all a big joke and to have fun. And that's maybe not a best. The best secret, but whenever I've been on a show and I got too involved in what's happening in front of me and thinking that it's my entire life, I took the fun out of it and you could feel it and it's not cool.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

When it comes to, like, life and social media and stuff, if you want to be an influencer, if you want to be big in a space, if you want to be big on tv, just have fun and, like, don't care as much as you feel like you should. Because I think that we all psych ourselves out. There's so many people with so many random fan bases.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

Planet. And if you want to be an influencer, you also deserve that. Like, you just have to put in the work and be consistent. Again, it's not really a secret, but I guess to go back to, the first thing is there's less traffic in your own lane.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

So stay in it. Stay locked in. And who knows? Like, shit changes over. One video.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Jowsey]

One TV show for me, like, I just got you. Literally one thing. You just have to work towards it. Yeah. One thing will change everything. Yeah. And then we'll change everything. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

I love It. I think I always like to give what my trading secret is from this time around. My trading secret from this time around is like, it's unbelievable what you can do when you look within and how you can grow. Like, you've grown so much from 2021. It's so cool to see. That's one. The second thing I think is really cool that you do that no one else does. Life gives you, like, a blank, blank, white canvas, right? And then you can make whatever you want from it. And so many people in life just make, like, a little, like, they get this whole beautiful thing of life, and they just, like, they take their line and that's their life. It's like this little line, and then it's done. And that's because, in my opinion, there's so much peer pressure, there's so much noise. There's so many places people tell us we have to go and have to say and have to do, and we lose our identity. And I think, like, the coolest thing about you is that, that you took that canvas and you took, like, eight different colors and said, like, fuck it. Just like, threw the green on, through the blue on, threw the yellow on. You're just like, I don't like that. Then you smash the canvas over your knee and you bring a new canvas up and, like, you create your own life rules. And as a result of that, it's really showing up in, like, who you are, and then what you're doing. No one is an actor, and unscripted TV is a lead. I don't think go look at the history. I don't think anybody has ever, at the same time, I know Netflix had a role as a scripted actor and is leading a show in which you're going to get married ever. You're breaking. You're breaking barriers in Netflix. And, like, my trading secret is like, stop living in this stupid line. I'm going to go get a bucket of paint and throw it out of this. So that gets me fired up. I appreciate you coming on the Wrong Paris is premiering this September. Excited about that? You got your podcast, boyfriend material. Podcast. Check that out. And then, of course, let's marry Harry. Cannot wait to see that. I think I'm going to make the prediction. Perfect match. I saw it. It never hit number one. I Netflix, it was like, number five, number four, number seven this past season. Let's Marry Harry is going to be one. It's going to be there for a while.

[Harry Jowsey]

For a while.

[Podcast Host]

Where can everyone find everything you got.

[Harry Jowsey]

Going on at Harry, Jazzy. Whatever you want to be.

[Podcast Host]

I love it. Harry, Jazzy, thank you for being on this episode again. The Train Secrets. All right. It rain on me, making that money.