273. Megan Eugenio: From Pace University to Overtime in the same year, how she became a trailblazer in a male dominated field, building confidence under internet scrutiny, and always being Overtime Megan Episode Description:

Summary

Trading Secrets Podcast – Episode 273

Megan Eugenio: From Pace University to Overtime—Trailblazing in a Male-Dominated Field, Building Confidence Amid Internet Scrutiny, & Always Being Overtime Megan

Podcast: Trading Secrets
Host: Jason Tartick (feat. David, "the Curious Canadian")
Guest: Megan Eugenio (Overtime Megan)
Release Date: January 12, 2026
Episode Length: ~84 minutes

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Episode Overview

This episode features Megan Eugenio—better known as "Overtime Megan"—who shares her journey from entering the sports media world at Pace University to becoming a celebrated content creator at Overtime, a digital sports brand. She dives deep into navigating a male-dominated industry, the challenges (including internet harassment and a major hacking incident), her approach to authentic content, and her philosophy about personal and professional resilience. Megan candidly discusses career milestones, negotiating her first contract, dealing with internet scrutiny, and how she bounced back from personal setbacks—offering inspiration and practical advice for anyone looking to break into competitive fields or grappling with adversity.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Breaking Into a Male-Dominated Field

• Authenticity as Her Blueprint
  Megan never set out to "change" the industry but approached her sports reporting career by embracing her unique perspective as a fan and as herself, not as an ex-athlete or analyst. She leaned into her femininity and personality, resisting pressure to fit established industry molds.
  • Quote:
    “I came in knowing what it was and I really embraced my feminine side... I’m gonna come in here and I’m gonna be my girly self. I’m gonna be silly, I’m gonna be all over the place. And I think that was the beautiful thing—it ended up being a beautiful place for me because people, I think, just love someone who’s unapologetically themselves.”
    (09:03–10:58)

2. Early Career Hustle: From College to Overtime

• The Jump-Start:
  Megan describes meeting a connection at Overtime during her first month at Pace University, advocating for any role possible (even coffee runs or taking out the trash), and getting hired part-time for basic tasks.

• Unconventional Entry:
  She wasn't initially an intern but started at minimum wage, handling a variety of odd jobs, and leveraged every opportunity to get involved in social media, which led to her big break.

  • Quote:
    “I’ll do anything just to have a little side gig. I’ll make coffees. I’ll make copies... I’ll literally sweep the floor.”
    (12:24–13:10)

• The Social Media Explosion:
  In 2019, with TikTok’s emergence from Musical.ly, Megan began creating content and quickly grew a following—150,000 in her first month, 300,000 by the time Overtime offered her a “talent contract.”

  • Quote:
    “I think I was one of the first women to get on there (TikTok) at 19 and like, talk sports.”
    (15:16–15:36)

3. Negotiating Contracts and Financial Transparency

• Her First Talent Contract
  At age 20, Megan accepted Overtime’s first salary offer (with progressive pay raises over a three-year contract: $30k, $50k, $65k) without negotiation, relying on family review rather than legal advice.

  • Quote:
    “I just accepted what they gave me...I had such a thirst for making something of myself super early and I didn’t know what it even was.”
    (16:23–16:29)

  • On Owning Her Brand:
    Megan clarified that although “Overtime Megan” is part of her public persona and brand, she retains ownership of her IP and handles many brand opportunities herself, as long as they don’t conflict with Overtime’s interests.

4. Managing Multiple Revenue Streams & Expanding Brand Partnerships

• Symbiotic Growth
  Megan values Overtime's flexibility, allowing her to work on projects with major sports organizations (e.g., Knicks, Rangers, NFL RedZone) and outside brands, so long as there’s no direct conflict. She credits open dialogue for maintaining this balance.

5. Preparation, Performance & Confidence

• Professional Advice for Live TV & Interviews:

  • Preparation: “You need to study. Even if you’re good on the fly...that knowledge gets stored somewhere and makes you sound more credible.”
    (26:30–27:15)

  • Confidence: “Blind confidence in yourself. Don’t think about it after...Once it’s done, it’s done. The only time it counts is in the moment.”
    (27:17–27:32)

  • On Nerves:
    Megan lets nerves fuel her energy on set and advocates for practicing lines, staying present, and refusing to let self-critique stall performance.

6. Internet Scrutiny, Scandals & Resilience

• Major Hacking Incident:
  Megan recounts being hacked, with private images and conversations leaked online, forcing her to take a break and ultimately end a romantic relationship. She details the stigma, industry gossip, and the overwhelming support she received, especially from other women.

  • Quote:
    “Creating a life in sports...I have a male following. So there’s a community that just wanted to see more and more of me and less sports, and it turned into a dark side on the internet… But everyone supported me—overtime, everyone in my life, colleagues—all sent their support.”
    (30:31–34:54)

  • On Recovery:
    She returned to work after a month, crediting resilience and support from loved ones, and warns that even ironclad passwords can’t stop determined hackers.

    • Quote:
      “If someone wants to hack you, they’re going to hack you… my passwords are literally a billion letters long.”
      (32:36–33:19)

  • Learning from Adversity:
    Megan leverages her toughest moments as opportunities to grow: “It gave me such thick skin. The amount of friends I made through it in the industry... The support was so overwhelming.”
    (36:24–36:53)

7. Sexism, Rumors & Navigating Public/Private Life

• Enduring Sexist Comments:
  Megan reflects on frequent rumors of relationships with athletes and how the internet undermines women’s credibility in sports by sexualizing/interpreting professional interactions.
  • Quote:
    “I know these boys who comment this would literally cry if they were standing in front of LeBron or Kobe… The fact that they can’t be there, they’re just going to try and tear a woman down for being there.”
    (46:38–48:07)

8. Mindset, Career Goals & Manifestation

• On Resilience:
  Despite adversity and scrutiny, Megan’s mindset remains unwavering:
  • Quote:
    “Nothing could ever take this away from me. You’ve tried. You guys tried to make me look bad. Nothing has stopped me... I think I’ve already been through the worst. Everything just feels like an up from here.”
    (48:35–49:53)
• Aspirations & Manifestation:
  Megan’s dream is to become a mainstay sideline reporter on ESPN or to co-host the NFL Red Zone on TV, aiming to build a net worth of $10 million and solidify her role in traditional sports broadcasting.

9. Social Media Growth Secrets

• Experimentation & Finding Your Niche:
  Megan encourages trial and error:
  • Quote:
    “Don’t be afraid to try a billion things. I did gaming. I did cooking. I did dating content—so many things to reach new audiences… Don’t be ashamed of the different eras you had.”
    (62:38–64:08)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

Authenticity in the Industry

“I came in knowing what it was… I’m gonna come in here and I’m gonna be my girly self. I’m gonna be silly, I’m gonna be all over the place.”
— Megan, 09:03

Navigating Scandal & Support

“Everyone that worked around me, even people high up in the companies… just sent their support and they’re like, listen, just take some time off.”
— Megan, 34:54

On Internet Sexism

“It’s not actually people meaning what they say. It’s their way of degrading you and your job… I know these boys would kill to be in my spot.”
— Megan, 46:38

Career & Financial Goals

“I think like $10 million is a good number to be realistic… to have that accessible, not to have made 10 million total, but to like have that in the bank.”
— Megan, 51:44

Trading Secret (Closing Philosophy)

“The only person you have to live with is yourself. And even in the darkness, your shadow leaves you... Make sure you come to terms with your mistakes and your regrets and learn from them and try to better yourself every day.” — Megan, 64:43

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Important Timestamps

• Breaking Into Sports (Male-Dominated Field): 09:03—11:03
• First Overtime Job & Hustle: 12:24—14:50
• TikTok & Early Social Growth: 15:16—15:56
• First Contract Negotiation: 16:01—18:10
• Brand Ownership (Overtime Megan IP): 20:24—21:45
• Navigating Public/Private Work Balance: 24:24—25:58
• Preparation Tips for Media: 26:30—28:10
• Hacking Incident & Fallout: 30:07—36:53
• Internet Sexism & Stereotypes: 45:24—48:07
• Manifesting Career Goals: 51:15—52:30
• Advice for Building a Social Following: 62:38—64:08
• Megan's Trading Secret (Philosophy): 64:41—65:26

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Final Thoughts & Recap ("Trading Secrets" Panel)

Jason & David reflect on Megan’s infectious energy, resilience, and wisdom, noting how she uses adversity to fuel growth and emphasizing the importance of true self-knowledge. Both hosts are inspired by her ability to “turn setbacks into set-ups” and by her loyalty to her brand and her company, seeing it as a model for both individuals and employers.

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Takeaways for Listeners

• Be Fearlessly Authentic: Don’t try to copy others’ paths—be yourself and embrace what makes you unique, even in tough environments.
• Start Anywhere, Hustle Hard: No job is too small if it’s a foot in the door.
• Ask for Help, Get Feedback: Lean on your support system and don’t be afraid to ask loved ones for advice and perspective.
• Preparation + Confidence = Success: Diligence and self-belief will get you through performance anxiety.
• Survive Internet Scrutiny: Build thick skin, seek support, and don’t let trolls (or setbacks) define you.
• Experiment with Content: Try new things on social media, adapt, and learn from your own cringe-worthy eras.
• Manifest and Set Big, Realistic Goals—but also stay grounded and loyal to what and who helped you grow.
• The Only Person to Please is Yourself: Know yourself, live by your values, and keep your own internal “fire” alive.

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Where to Follow Megan

• Instagram & TikTok: @OvertimeMegan
• YouTube: Meg on the Mic
• Snapchat: megan.eugenio

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This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in sports media, social media growth, negotiating early-career jobs, dealing with online scrutiny—or simply fueling your fire to keep climbing after you’ve been knocked down.

Transcript

[Overtime Megan]

Foreign.

[Jason]

Welcome back to another episode of Trading Secrets. And let me tell you what the boys are buzzing tonight because we are doing an introduction here. Hot off the press of a massive, unexpected expected Buffalo Bills win going into this week. And we're so excited about a very, very relevant guest, especially given what's going on in the playoff world of the NFL and all sports overtime. Meg so we get into everything into this episode, all about the just the industry, the nuances that she's had to deal with. Her take on women breaking into professional sports from a journalism perspective, from the athletes being compensated, all the moving parts. It's unbelievable episode that is empowering, it's interesting and there's just a lot again, it's just, that's a cool thing about this podcast, right? Trading secrets of her industry, her personal life, her financial life and the world in which she works and how she works. DAVID how would you tease this one?

[David]

I would tease it by saying she, she calls herself unapologetically herself and you get all that out of her for in all the best ways in the episodes. And I will say this, her energy, she was so excited. I think she's top three most excited people to have been on the show. She was like giddy, giggly and she brought that energy and you could tell because it was someone who came in the tick tock world pre covered 2019, stayed relevant throughout. Now she's in the sports industry. She was excited to be on because she got to be asked questions she never gets asked about and her energy and answers shine really shown through in the episode. So that's, that's how I would tee it up for the viewers.

[Jason]

She shined, she's sharp, she's smart, she's even still like, I would call her like a student of life. Every time I talk to her, she's reading a new book. She has a new endeavor, she has a new goal to conquer. She's just a motivating person. So you're gonna enjoy this one with overtime. Meg But David, let's take a quick break here and let's talk about us for a second. We're feeling pretty good after this Buffalo Bills win. I'm in New York City, you're in Rochester. How's your week been? How's your life?

[David]

Well, life is good. Let me just, if my, my voice is a little hoarse in here. I got the coaching voice six games this weekend, so I'm trying to battle through it on a Sunday night and I was celebrating the Bills when screaming at my tf I know you were. I gotta ask about you. How are you first off? Can I ask.

[Jason]

You can ask whatever you want.

[David]

People can't see us. What's going on with the face? We got a little Ross from friends, a little Ross Geller. Is that a. Is that a spray. Is that a spray tan booth industry here. What's going on? Talk to the people.

[Jason]

Oh, God. See, this is the beauty of behind the Scene, the Curious game. Maybe. David, things like this we should start bringing to social media. We should be recording this stuff. It should be live. It was live. I don't know if I'd show up like this, but, hey, what the hell? Maybe we'll do something tomorrow. We got a photo shoot with Tommy John and the dogs. And there's a Wags and Walks component where Tommy John is going to be making a nice donation to Wags and Walks. I'm really excited about the actual. The whole project, what they're doing for Wags and working with Tommy John. I'm super excited about that. We drove up. That's the best part about training. Secrets, too. I always share things here before I do on social media. We drove up a camper sprinter from Nashville with both dogs for the shoot tomorrow. And you know, the cool thing is, is I got to do that trip with John Gurney. John, if you're listening to this, don't take offense. I got to do the trip with Katherine Hurley. Much smoother. But anyway, I got a spray tan, and this is the one that's like, you get it and you have to shower after three hours. And so I gotta go take a shower after this. But, yeah, we gotta ride. If I. If I look like this tomorrow morning for this shoot, it's trouble. So spray tan better come off.

[David]

So Tommy John, for those who don't know, underwear company, spray tan. New Year's resolution. Are you having to stay fit for the shoot? Are you. What. What's going on? Talk us through your life, how that's been the first couple weeks. Is it. Are you enjoying that process? Are you in that process?

[Jason]

Oh, yeah, I'm dry. January, celebrating the bills. They put a. This dude put a labat blue in front of me and was like, dude, we got a shotgun. This. I was never been so tempted to do anything in my life, but I passed drinking water at a bar. Here's my takeaway. Yeah, I feel better. I look better. I'm sleeping better. I have more energy. Okay. So those are all really real things. And I. And I love that I'm so much more productive. Like, I'm up early, and I'm thinking clear the one area I am struggling a little bit. And I could see where you're starting to see this with the different generation is just the social side of things. Like, I don't. I'm saying no to a lot of social things because I'm like, they're. They're there. They're drinking. I'm like, I'll just stay at home. Like, I feel like today going to that bar to watch the Bills games, the first time I've been out of my house, like, in 12 days.

[David]

That's crazy.

[Jason]

So it's like, I'm not, like, I work. I work out, and then I just don't. So I think it's so weird that I hate that. I, like, use, like, I guess, alcohol maybe as a crutch in social situations or just as, like, a thing. But, like, I went to dinner with friends the other day. Everyone was drinking but me.

[Overtime Megan]

And.

[Jason]

And I was like, this is. I don't know. I didn't feel any. Like, I didn't feel like I didn't want to be there, but I was just like, h. I want. I don't know. It's hard to explain. I feel like I'm less willing to say yes to social things knowing I'm not drinking. But once I'm there, I'm having a great time. Like, I don't need alcohol.

[David]

It's one of those things, Jay, where society has got us to do some weird things that maybe aren't normal, and I think drinking is one of them. But at the end of the day, if you're not drinking, you're proven right now that you can do all the things if you want to. And if you are drinking. Sometimes life's hard, man. And when life's hard, sometimes if a drink is gonna be the. And that's okay. I had a. I cracked a cold one when I got home after I lost today that. I needed that. I needed that cold one.

[Jason]

You're sitting here. You showed up for work. You didn't have a 12 pack. You didn't have a six pack. You just had a cold one.

[David]

I had a cold one, Jay, and it was great.

[Jason]

You know what?

[David]

I'm gonna wake up tomorrow and be like, all right, it's time to get a spray tan again.

[Jason]

Three pounds.

[David]

And that's. And then I'm gonna have to cut it out. And that's okay, too. So if you're listening, if you're. If you're still with us.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[David]

This is how Jay And I get. If you have. If you're not a frequent tuner into the recaps, you should be because this is usually where it ends up going. If you're enjoying this conversation, a little banter, a little life insight. Just stay tuned for the recaps. But we got a great episode with Overtime Meg. I want to give her her flowers so we can get right to it. What do you say?

[Jason]

Yeah, I think we ringing the bell. We'll talk a little bit more in the recap of takeaways that we had. Remember, five stars. If you don't mind giving us a review, we have something called the Jason Tells all coming up for our familiar listeners. You guys know, and if you're not familiar, it's where I'm actually in the hot seat. David crushes me with every finance, personal and professional question. So if you have questions you want David to ask, make sure you let us know. And you know what? I'll save any finance tips I have for the recap because we need to ring in the main bell with the one, the only, overtime bag. Welcome back to another episode of Trading Secrets. Today we are joined by Megan Eugenio, AKA Overtime Megan. Megan has been working with Overtime, a digital sports brand aimed at the next generation of sports fans and athletes since early 2020. Her engaging personality and basketball knowledge helped her quickly gain a large audience on the Overtime platform, becoming one of their most recognizable faces. Over the last few years, her social media following has grown to over 3 million followers and she continues to dip her toes in various areas in the sports and entertainment industries, including a recent guest appearance on NFL Zone with host Scott Hansen. Today we're going to chat all things on Overtime, her experiences working as a social media influencer, personal life updates, which there's been a lot going on, what her career goals are moving forward, and just what life's like in the sports and entertainment space as a woman, that is creating a massive, massive audience in there. Megan, thank you for being on Trade Secrets.

[Overtime Megan]

I'm so excited. Thank you. That was a beautiful introduction.

[Jason]

Let's go. You got a lot going on by the age of 25. This is unbelievable.

[Overtime Megan]

Thank you. I mean, there's so much more to unlock ahead, but you did a beautiful rendition there. That's a. You need to send that to me after. I'm going to frame it.

[Jason]

I'm going to send it to you now. For everyone listening, Megan has had an unbelievable trajectory up, but also there's been some curveballs along the way. There's been some hackers there's been some breakups. So what we're going to do is we're going to dive into the business side, the personal side, how she's managed it all. Let's start with this. The. The sports entertainment industry and getting into it has predominantly been male dominated. Yeah. We're now seeing a massive transition amount from, from viewership to pay to all the things we're seeing. The success with the wnba. Yes. Now talk to me about what it was like back in 2019, 2020, breaking in as a woman in this space.

[Overtime Megan]

So it was really interesting going into a male dominated space because I knew what I was getting into. And I didn't go into wanting to do sports in a way of like, I'm going to, you know, change anything. It was more, I'm going to come in here and I'm going to be myself. I'm going to trailblaze my own path. I, I wasn't looking necessarily to be, you know, the image of women in sports, it was more like, I'm gonna be comfortable within myself. Cause I'm not an athlete and I'm not somebody that's athletically inclined. So I never had that insight or that background, as most women in sports do. A lot of women reporters have a background in basketball and WNBA and things of that sort. And I never had that background, so I couldn't really relate to that audience. So when I came in, I was like, I'm gonna relate and tap into an audience of like, I'm a big fan of sports and I look at it from a fan perspective and show it from a fan perspective. And so this just might be like my humble way of saying it, but I came in knowing what it was and I really embraced my feminine side, like makeup and beauty and realizing like, you know, I am a woman and these are the things that make me a woman. These are the things that I like to embrace. And going into a male dominated field, I'm going to continue to embrace those things. I'm not going to switch up myself to feel fit this, like, this archetype that people may want me to fit. I'm gonna come in here and I'm gonna be my girly self. I'm gonna be silly. I'm gonna be, you know, all over the place. And I think that was like, the beautiful thing of it is that I went in with an open mind on, you know, I'm gonna be accepted here. And it just so happened that it ended up being a beautiful place for me because people, I think, just love someone who's unapologetically themselves 100%. And that's what I continue to be is. You know, maybe I don't know every sports fact. Maybe I literally don't remember the shoes that wearing back in, like, 2009. Like, maybe I don't. But you know what? I love the sport. I. I engage in the sport. I engage in the audience. And that's what I think really worked for me, is that I didn't look to transform what was already there. I just looked to add to it.

[Jason]

That's a. I mean, right. There is a trading secret itself, because I think what everyone tries to do is copy and paste.

[Overtime Megan]

Yeah.

[Jason]

And then they try and copy and paste, and they say, oh, I can't do this because I don't have that. I don't know every sports analytical piece of information. I don't know the person on each team. And so then they write themselves off. I love that you do that. How. How does this. So you're at Pace University, you're a student.

[Overtime Megan]

Yeah.

[Jason]

And then all of a sudden, you transition out of nowhere to overtime. Speaking about basketball, talk to me about what that career jump looked like.

[Overtime Megan]

So it was very unexpected in the way that, like, overtime was much smaller at the time.

[David]

Yeah.

[Overtime Megan]

Granted, they were still. They were still rather large. They were about a million followers on Instagram. I'm unsure what their YouTube was, but they. They had a cult following in New York City. You know, they were very much a prominent media role in New York. And just the culture here, the sports culture, I found I knew overtime from high school. Like, I knew what the account was, but it was about a month into my freshman year at Pace University, and I always knew I wanted to end up in sports, but I didn't know what the place was for me in sports. I always loved. I loved basketball. I loved the NBA. I loved Dwayne Wade. And I was like, how can I find a place here? I thought I was gonna go four years in school and then just get, like, a front office corporate job, and I just thought I was gonna go through the mill. I was literally in the business school, and I was like, I don't know what I'm gonna do. But, you know, I always had this eye for the MBA and the glitz and the glam. Thankfully, about a month into school, I met someone through social media, and he. He worked at overtime, and he was like, you know, the realtor, he asked me to, like, go on a date. In reality, I was like, well, I want to work for overtime.

[Jason]

So did you go on the date to go to get in on the date?

[Overtime Megan]

I didn't. I didn't go on the date to get the job, but I actually was like, you're hustling.

[Jason]

How'd the date go?

[Overtime Megan]

It was not that great, but it was.

[Jason]

But he got you into overtime.

[Overtime Megan]

He sent me his manager. I said, can I have the number of your manager? And he was like, yes.

[Jason]

And so amazing.

[Overtime Megan]

It was like a mutual connect on social media that someone that worked there. And obviously the intent wasn't originally, like, I wasn't gonna go on this date to get the job, but it just so happened that I was like, hey, maybe they're looking for, like, someone else to work there. And I'll make coffees, I'll make copies, I'll do Excel sheets, I'll ship out packages. I'll literally, like, sweep the floor. I was like, I'll do anything just to, like, have a little side gig. And also, freshman in college, like, you just need a little pocket cash. Yeah. And so they hired me. I think they called me, like, the same week that I sent an email. I sent them my resume and then internship. I didn't. I never even was an intern. They just hired me as part time. And I worked two days a week on Thursday and Friday when I didn't.

[Jason]

Have classes paid then.

[Overtime Megan]

Oh, my gosh. I think I was getting paid the New York City minimum wage when I first started. Two days a week for two hours at a time. So I worked four hours a week and I got paid 15 at the time.

[Jason]

Wow.

[Overtime Megan]

Yeah. Okay, $15 an hour.

[Jason]

And what were you doing? I was doing really, by the way, like, not terrible for a freshman in.

[Overtime Megan]

College, but also it was like the experience. Yeah, of course, at the media company, I didn't care what I was doing. I was literally taking out the trash. Like, I didn't care. I was staying after hours after the cleaner had left and I was locking up. And I would do my homework in an empty office, just getting my stuff done. And then I would sit there for four hours and get paid to do it, just to lock up. And I had the keys to all the offices and they were still. They were, I would say, like, they were a smaller to medium sized company at the time compared to what we are now. Now we're just were so large and we've taken over and we've expanded so much, but at the time, they were still so large to me and obviously to a lot of the kids in New York City area and all over the world that it was just an opportunity to be there and such an honor to even be there refilling the K cups and, and sending out and organizing athlete addresses and unfollowing people on their Twitter and following people and running the CEOs Instagram and building him up. So that was like an honor to me to like have an extra phone and like run the CEO's Instagram. I was like, this is insane. Or even to have like the Twitter login, like for an 18 year old wanting to get started, like that was everything to me. So I didn't care what I was doing and people think I just hopped into the job. I did that for a year before I started doing the social media thing.

[Jason]

For one full year. Now this is a company that does or has over a hundred million followers across seven social media platforms. Three billion plus views a month. To give you perspective of overtime if you're not familiar with it. So you work there for a year.

[Overtime Megan]

Yeah.

[Jason]

You're now you're going into your sophomore year of college.

[Overtime Megan]

Yeah.

[Jason]

Then what happens? Where's the breaking moment where over time's like, wait a second, this is no longer Megan that is sweeping the floors and getting us coffee. This is Megan that's like blowing up and we need to sign her. When does that happen?

[Overtime Megan]

That happens in November of 2019. I signed my talent contract because in August of 2019 musically became TikTok. And I remember over time Tom and Dan, our CEO was like, you just got to get on TikTok. They're like, we don't care what you do. Dance transition videos, talk about sports. Literally point to the bubble of like the sports team that you like and like say a funny blurb with it. And I think I was one of the first women to get on there. I was 19 and like talk sports. And so I think I really capitalized on the pre Covid era of being on Tik Tok. And within the first month I had 150,000 followers. And I was like, whoa. And so I think by the time they signed me, I think I had 300,000 followers.

[Jason]

How do you know? So at this, how old are you at this point?

[Overtime Megan]

By the time I signed the talent contract, I was 20 years old.

[Jason]

Okay, so 20 years old.

[Overtime Megan]

Yeah.

[Jason]

You're now sophomore year. Yeah, sophomore year your minimum wage was 15 bucks.

[Overtime Megan]

It upped after the contract.

[Jason]

Now New York City, it's 1650.

[Overtime Megan]

Yeah.

[Jason]

They then bring you this contract contract. How do you know where especially like negotiating is is a younger. First of all, there's A whole. There's a lot of discussion about women negotiating in the workplace.

[Overtime Megan]

Yeah.

[Jason]

And, and how we can reduce and, and limit this, this gender gap and.

[Overtime Megan]

Yeah.

[Jason]

So you're young, you're 20.

[Overtime Megan]

I literally don't know your worth.

[Jason]

How do you know how to negotiate this? And what was it like? I didn't, I just accepted what they gave you.

[Overtime Megan]

I was such a, like broke college kid who wanted to make something of my name. I had such a, I had such a, a thirst for making something of myself super early and I didn't know what it even was and. But I remember always wanting to be something that people just looked at. I wanted to be a trailblazer in some way because I always felt like I needed to fill something inside sometimes. And I felt like that was the way to do it, or so I thought at the time. And it turned into, you know, when I, when they first sent that offer out, I literally sent it to my brother in law, like my sister's husband. And I was like, can you look this over? I didn't have a, I didn't have a lawyer at the time. I didn't have a contract lawyer, none of that stuff. And he looked it over and he's like, this is great. He's like, you should sign this. And so we didn't even go back and forth. I just signed it right away. It was a three year deal and it was. The money went up every single year. But it was just like crazy the fact that I even was offered like a salary at 20 years old in college, like, and doing what I loved, talking, like, making content. Like, I was like, this is crazy. And so it was the dream job. And also, you know, the pay was, the pay was good for someone at the time, like my age, who I think I had, I'd blown through my bank account at that point by the time I'd gone my sophomore year. You know, you work over the summer and then the money goes away within months. Especially New York City. Oh my gosh. But yeah. And so I accepted the first offer. I was never going to say no. I knew overtime was the place for me.

[Jason]

Was it structured that there's incentive for performance to. Or is it just a salary?

[Overtime Megan]

It was just a salary. And it was, it was, you know, the first year was a, an amount and the second year it went up and then the third year it went up and then you can resign, you know, if you get offered that. So renegotiate then in the three years.

[Jason]

After the three year.

[Overtime Megan]

Yes.

[Jason]

Okay. So you Tell me if you could give me this. They started. You have 15. Did it least? Was it double that per hour? At least 30 bucks an hour or what? Can you share about it?

[Overtime Megan]

I have. I wonder, I wonder if I can like share the numbers. It's. It was my old contract and it was like years ago and it does not. I'm not working 9 to 5, like think I'm not working 9 to 5. I'm working like at the most random times, like maybe like once or twice a week. Like.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Overtime Megan]

So really, for what I was getting paid, the, the work and also the opportunity of it was well worth it. But like the first year.

[Jason]

Let me guess.

[Overtime Megan]

Okay, you can guess.

[Jason]

I want to guess. First year and you have 300,000 followers. Yeah, it's 2019. So it's not as like. Yeah, they're still trying to figure it out.

[Overtime Megan]

Yeah.

[Jason]

70 grand.

[Overtime Megan]

Oh my gosh. Wait, I'm so flattered now.

[Jason]

50 grand.

[Overtime Megan]

That was the second year.

[Jason]

That was the second year. 40 grand. So when 40, 50, 60.

[Overtime Megan]

I think it was 30, 50, 65. Okay.

[Jason]

Which by the way, I'm getting way ahead of my skis because inflation, everything else. This is before then. You were a college student. This is unbelievable.

[Overtime Megan]

Getting offered $30,000.

[Jason]

Yeah. So did you at all think about, okay, I just got a three year deal. I wanted to get into this.

[Overtime Megan]

Yeah.

[Jason]

Now I'm spending all this money on school. Did you think about leaving school?

[Overtime Megan]

No, I always. I value education. I love education. I know a lot of people. There's so many avenues nowadays and I support people who don't need education or want education anymore. But personally, I love learning and I love growth and I love the structure of school and I want to go back and get even get my master's. But there was a moment where I was like, do I need school? But I think it was just more the idea of like so many other people do that that I was like, should I even have, like, I, I should think about it. It's like when like you get famous and you're like, should I go to la? Everyone has the idea. But I never fully believed in it. So I never believed in leaving school. I toggled with the idea for maybe like a week.

[Jason]

Okay.

[Overtime Megan]

But it was, you know, nothing is guaranteed. And even, even right now, I wouldn't, even if I was in school right now, I still wouldn't leave school. You know, nothing is guaranteed. And I liked the idea of getting a degree and having it, so I felt like it was a flex to me. And myself when I looked in the mirror. I wanted to have a change my major though, when I started actually getting more into it. So I was in the business school and instead of doing accounting and finance and all these things and econ, I was like, let me just switch to media and communications where it really did lighten the workload. Regardless, I love it.

[Jason]

That is awesome. On all your handles. Now it's Overtime Megan. So Instagram Overtime Megan, TikTok, Overtime Megan X, YouTube, etc. Well, YouTube is just your Meg on the mic.

[Overtime Megan]

Yeah.

[Jason]

With Overtime Megan, which I was on her show, so go check it out. She was drilling me. She gets a really good questions there. So definitely check that episode out. But over time, Megan, who. Do they own that IP or do you own it?

[Overtime Megan]

I own it. So that has been my Instagram. The Instagram itself has been my Instagram I've owned since I was in sixth grade.

[Jason]

Okay.

[Overtime Megan]

And obviously the usernames have changed at first. You know, my first ever username in 2012 was sparkles17 and now I'm Overtime Megan. But it's more of. So the whole Overtime and the name thing is a very common thing in our company. And it's to build community, you know, to have like a nickname to have a thing to relate back to instead of just having your name and building your name and then having to make. Make people have to make that connection on their own. They already just naturally make that connection. So it's for. It's for brand recognition. It's a really smart tactic. And, you know, people literally call me Overtime. Like when kids see me on the street, they're like, overtime. Oh, T. And I respond to that. So, like, no one even calls me Megan anymore. Like, kids on the train will be like, oh, T. And I'm just like, hi. Like, it's cute though. It's like they really did a good job making that their community and that their thing. It just works so well.

[Jason]

I love it. This is a conversation I had with Briana Chicken Fry. Yeah, she was with Barstool. Right. And she told me a story about that. She was offered a million dol dollars to leave Barstool and she didn't take that because she saw the infrastructure, the company in the long term, run with it. Yeah, Hindsight. Great move for her based on her success.

[Overtime Megan]

Yes.

[Jason]

If you were offered a big offer like that, a million bucks to leave, would you leave over time or is there a number that would get you to go out on your own? Or what's your take on that?

[Overtime Megan]

Never really. I think if over time has given me the tools and then I've taken them and built what I've built alongside them. And it's such a partnership and it's so cohesive and we've grown so much together. But like I said, even at the time, like overtime was so much smaller and like the hindsight was that they were gonna go crazy and big. And now we have a football league, we have a boxing league, we have a basketball league that is wildly successful. We're producing NBA players. And I didn't, we probably didn't even see that at the time. It was just visions. But to stay with your brand, I think leaving is like always a bad idea. I don't know what it is, but I think just like ditching what you've always been tied to, you can expand and do other opportunities. But nothing could get me to leave. Over time, I would always like, no, no number because it's just that family value and the relationships I have at the company, nothing could replace that. Like, I can't go somewhere else. And also then like, you lose that openness. Like when I go to work, work, you see the way I was with my co workers. Like, even I see them probably like once every two weeks and still we're like this, like work so close. We build each other up and just like going somewhere else where no one really knows me. For me and me in the beginning, it would feel weird. Like I've been with them for like going on seven years now. So it's like crazy to think about.

[Jason]

You ever have those days where like, you're just checking things off the box but then the day's over and then you look back at the day, you're like, wait, what did I like, actually complete? That was meaningful. That moved the needle. Where did time go? Do you ever have those days? I know I have. And if you feel that maybe you're overwhelmed, you have so much to do, it's probably a good time to outsource now. If you're trying to outsource, where do you start? Well, I would start with Upwork Business Plus. So if you're overextended, or let's just say even understaffed, Upwork Business plus will help you bring in top quality freelancers super fast. You'll get instant access to the top 1% of talent on upwork in marketing and design. Maybe it's AI you need and even more, they are ready to jump in and take, take work off your plate. Upwork Business plus doesn't Just help you find quality freelancers. It hand picks the best so you can focus on scaling. Let the pros at upwork handle the rest. Right now, when you spend a thousand dollars on Upwork Business plus, you'll get 500 in credit. Just go to upwork.comsave now and claim the offer before 131, 2026. Again, that's upwork.comsave S A V E terms apply. It's interesting to see how these media companies are taking people like you. Yeah. Building the personality. So like the company's part of you and you're part of the company.

[Overtime Megan]

Yeah.

[Jason]

But the one thing I always think about that I think my listeners would find interesting is how do you structure it for sustainability? And so like if. Suppose there's a company like I'm doing a deal with them. So I just thought about it. But geico, Geico comes to you and they got a big deal for you. Can you do it? Or does it have to go through them or do you have other agents? Like, how do you handle things that come to you that aren't at all associated overtime so that you can have other multiple revenue streams?

[Overtime Megan]

So I do. And that was just an open conversation I had to, I had with over time. And I think it just comes with growth. You know, when it comes with growth, you have to let your talent grow. And so me growing myself by, you know, the last two years, not this year, the two previous two years I was signed with the Nixon Rangers at Madison Square Garden. And so that was not overtime related, but thus that grows my name in the sports industry. Thus, you know, giving them more credibility, me more credibility. Me doing NFL Red Zone OT gives me credibility, gives overtime credibility. It makes me look better the more that I get and grow in the sports world. So I do do other opportunities as long as, you know, there's no stepping on the toes in terms of like, you know, contracts and all the legalities of the things like that. But I've never been told to not do anything. They have always let me fly and go where I needed to go and do the opportunities I need to do. Like when I started expanding into hockey, overtime doesn't do hockey. And so that was also room for me to grow and for them to also have that in their arsenal. Like, you know, so if a hockey company or a hockey brand or NHL team or an event comes to them.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Overtime Megan]

Actually have that now in their arsenal to be like, oh, yeah, Megan's a hockey girl. Here you go. Like, we'll push her out. So it grows them and it's just. It's just a very symbiotic relationship.

[Jason]

Okay, that makes perfect sense. Let me ask you this. People listening right now, they're seeing what you're doing. You're talking about the Mets, you're talking about the Rangers, you're talking about msg, all these big places and people. I want you to give a couple tips. When you're going into live TV or you're going into an interview, what are things that you do behind the scenes that help you prepare for good interview? So someone could be listening to this. They could be getting ready for a date, they could be getting ready to be interviewed. Maybe they're leading a pitch at their work. Yeah, but you do it all the time on live TV and on digital in front of millions of people. What are some of your, like, hacks to nailing it?

[Overtime Megan]

Okay, you need to study. Like, I don't care how good you are with like on the fly. I don't care how witty you are. You need to study. You need to have all the knowledge in your arsenal because you don't realize having knowledge in your subconscious about anything really just helps you in day to day with the conversations, with interviews, going on a date, having knowledge on certain things, you don't realize it, but does get stored. You may think you're not absorbed all this information, but it gets stored somewhere. And that way, like, before I went on like, red zone, red zone, ot, I did a lot of studying the week prior because, you know, just in case we brought up a certain game, a certain play, I knew it was going on. And even if we didn't even bring any of that stuff up, I had that knowledge in me to like bring it up and relate to the crowd. And it just makes you sound more credible. So if you're not doing your studying.

[Jason]

You'Re so that's rule number one.

[Overtime Megan]

You must study. You have to. You can't be lazy. You have to have that in your game. Also, blind confidence in yourself. Don't think about it after. Do what you need to do. Don't think about it after. Don't analyze it. Don't critique it.

[Jason]

Oh, once it's done, you're saying once.

[Overtime Megan]

It'S done, it's done. You cannot critique yourself. You can't get down on yourself. I used to look back on some interviews and content I did. And I was like, why did I say that? Why did I sound like this? Why am I blinking so much? Why do I have these weird hand movements? You can't you can't overanalyze because then you're gonna think about it too much in the next interview and you're gonna psych yourself out. You need to just slow yourself down in the moment. The only time it counts is in the moment. So when it comes to the actual looking confident and. And the execution, you just need to slow yourself down and realize, you know, this is comfortable, this is a space. We're all human here. And sometimes it can feel a little more robotic, but just to feel it and absorb it in the moment, just. Just be present.

[Jason]

Do you ever get nervous before going live tv?

[Overtime Megan]

Absolutely.

[Jason]

How do you deal with the nerves?

[Overtime Megan]

It fuels me. It helps me. Because then, like, you're, like, all jittery. You got butterflies. And they fuel me for, like, a really good high on tv, where I got all the energy in the world. And so I think that's my specialty is like, I have a lot of energy before I go on, like, camera or something or filming. And then after, it's like a nice adrenaline come down where I'm just like, I did amazing, but really, I just let it fuel me. Like, I. I just, like, I practice or I talk to myself. If you're. If you're going on, like, TV or on air or on content where you have to memorize something or doing a live event, like, I'll just talk to myself and do the lines to myself. That's interesting.

[Jason]

You just repeat the lines and repeat the lines. Yeah. Like, have you ever had a moment where you've totally screwed up?

[Overtime Megan]

Absolutely.

[Jason]

Have you ever had a moment where you've, like, blanked out and, like, is there one moment where you're like. That was my most embarrassing moment on tv.

[Overtime Megan]

Definitely, like a live event. I've done, like, something embarrassing live. I was doing some live hosting for some nitrocross race, which is, you know, it's motorsport. And I remember, like, the person in my earpiece was talking to me and they said something to me, and you talk into the mic to go respond. So I had given the intro to the segment I wanted to segue into, and then the segment was happening, and so I guess my mic was still too closely connected to, like, when that segue happened to, like, when the person had talked to me and I went to go respond to them, and my voice went all around the arena, like the whole motor track, where I responded to the person it was in the arena.

[Jason]

But you didn't say anything, like, bad. It just, like, went off.

[Overtime Megan]

It was something. Yeah, it was something stupid. It was like talking about, like, waiting for the golf cart, they were like, megan, go back to the golf cart. And I literally was like, I'm waiting for the golf cart. And that went all over the place.

[Jason]

All over the place.

[Overtime Megan]

And I like, was like, oh. I was like, no. And that was an actual moment because, like, people don't know if you mess up. But that was like a moment where I was like, oh, like, that's an obvious mess up. Yeah. So normally people don't know when you mess up though.

[Jason]

So that's good. That's the tough part about being in this industry, though. You're always on a stage and then with the stage comes mess ups.

[Overtime Megan]

Exactly.

[Jason]

Now with the stage also comes other curveballs. I couldn't believe this when I was reading it, that someone hacked into your phone.

[Overtime Megan]

That was the worst part.

[Jason]

And they leaked photos. And then while they leaked photos, as a result of that, you took time off work, you took time off your Internet.

[Overtime Megan]

Internet, yeah.

[Jason]

Like, talk to me about exactly what happened and how did you overcome that? Because maybe there's a learning lesson within, I don't know, being on that kind of stage, with that kind of visibility that someone could be like, okay, put in perspective of what they're going through. Like, I got this.

[Overtime Megan]

So creating a life in the sports industry. I have a male following. And I think when it comes to my image, there was some people that followed me for a reason where it was just more, you know, visuals, more attractive, distractiveness. And they were like, okay, cute girl, I'm gonna follow her.

[Jason]

Sure.

[Overtime Megan]

And so I think that created a community of people who just wanted to see more and more, less sports and more me. And so it turned into like a little bit of a dark side on the Internet where I found forums of me and people were editing photos of me in the nude and editing my face onto videos. And I think it got to a point where that wasn't enough. And somebody was like, there's a lot of money to be made here. Where there's no images online, there's no sort of lust factor. And I know there's something in there. Cause I kept my relationship life private. I kept my romantic life. And also I didn't post for the masses. I didn't. I didn't feel confident in. In being sexy. I personally don't like that. And so online, but I did in my relationships, I did in my private life. And so I think someone realized there was something to be opened up and revealed. And so that's exactly what they did. So real Quick though.

[Jason]

So you just. So I have clarity here, they were making fake photos of you. Yeah, Like AI bullshit photos, AI nude photos. And there was enough attention to these photos that aren't real at all that you're saying someone was like, oh, wait, there's like a business here. I need to get on this.

[Overtime Megan]

Yeah. Because I think when you don't show enough to the world and the Internet's a very dark place, I think when you don't show enough, people go searching for it. And so I think that's exactly what happened is someone realized, like, there's a big audience here. And so, you know, you post these where, you know, no one has seen this person in this light. It would go crazy. And so someone had the idea of hawking into my Snapchat and I was. And they downloaded me and my long distance boyfriend's relationship, not relationship conversation. And then they even added my ex back and then downloaded that conversation and some other things as well. And like my whole. It wasn't in my camera rolls, all on Snapchat, in my memories and, and just posted it one day. One day. But they hacked me in August of 2022 and didn't post it until April 2023, did they?

[Jason]

When they hacked you, was it like, what would you have done now with your Snapchat differently to avoid being hacked?

[Overtime Megan]

Like, I had two factor on. There's nothing, there's nothing you can do. If someone wants to hack you, they're going to hack you. Especially if it's like a high level hack hacking system, they're gonna get you. They. I think there's a certain way they did it where like, you can't avoid it. If they're gonna hack you, they're gonna hack you. And my, my passwords are literally a billion letters long. Like I make it unhackable. And so like, take it for me as someone whose passwords are 50 characters long, they still were able to get in. I had a million missed calls from like the Snapchat 2 factor. A million texts from the Snapchat 2 factor. And I guess they just somehow were able to get. I thought my iPhone was hacked. I thought they hacked my icloud and they were able to transfer my number over to one of their devices. I'm not exactly so sure, but. But they were able to get the two factor that was on my phone and they were able to get that information and log in from wherever they were.

[Jason]

Did they ever blackmail you saying, like, we'll release these if you don't give Us, X, Y and Z.

[Overtime Megan]

No, that's the thing is, like, they held onto them for months and I thought I was in the clear. And I remember telling my boyfriend at the time, I was like, someone downloaded all of our conversation. And how could you tell? Because it said saved to camera roll. Same to camera roll. Saved to camera roll are all the things that were in our conversation. And he was like, it's fine, it's fine. So we all checked the Internet, his entire family. Everyone looked on the Internet. No one saw anything.

[Jason]

Well, that's a little risky having his. Who, the parent?

[Overtime Megan]

The mom. Mom was definitely involved. Mom was. We were looking. I was freaking out. But since nothing was on the Internet, everyone was like, you're fine. Like, someone probably just kept it to themselves. Like, they probably just hacked you and they kept it. So I changed the password. I started contacting Snapchat as a whole thing, and I guess we let it blow over and we forgot about it. Until one awful day in 2023.

[Jason]

How much longer was it?

[Overtime Megan]

This was so August to April. April is when they posted it. August 2022, I got hacked.

[Jason]

Holy shit.

[Overtime Megan]

Went through the whole nine months. Yeah. And then a whole big baby. And April 2023, I woke up one day and they were all over the Internet, all over Reddit, Twitter. People were making edits of it on TikTok, and my account blew up. I think everyone in my life had called me. People I didn't even know had called me. Like, people like, in the media industry who didn't even know me were like, are you okay? Because I think everyone knew, like, I never posed sexy. I never was sexy online. And so to have my private life blasted out like that, that was like, oh, my God, like, Megan's not okay. And so I was not okay. It was bad. Everyone in my life called me. Everyone. A colleague and. But everyone supported me over time. Yeah, Utmost support. They were like, you got this. Like, you're a boss ass woman. Like, you're.

[Jason]

You're.

[Overtime Megan]

You. You literally are going to overcome this. But they were like, we gotta. We're just gonna deal. We're just gonna deal. My. Everyone that worked around me, even people high up in the companies that I was working that I was aligning with, everyone just sent their support and they're like, listen, just take some time off. Take some time off. And. But it was unfortunate that it went so viral, but it's because I never had posed posted in that way before. So I think people were just shocked. It was a shock factor, but it was Bad. But also there was a scandal, like, before, too, that I gotten my name out there that wasn't even real. I had another scandal. There is a photo of a girl in bed with Antonio Brown, and it went viral, and people said the girl looked like me. And so everyone believes it's me.

[Jason]

And it wasn't you?

[Overtime Megan]

No, it's not me. And they either thought it was Gisele, Tom Brady's ex wife, or me. And I was like, what a. What a duo of comparison.

[Jason]

But you're like, I'll take the comparison, but it's not true.

[Overtime Megan]

I was like, not me and not her. And so that was a light scandal that I had been involved with. And I really got to see.

[Jason]

That was before this.

[Overtime Megan]

This I was in January 23rd. So in 2023, I really got to see the dark side of the Internet, which I never thought I'd be pulled into as, like, somebody who was very modest online and somebody who only worked in sports and just, like, loved basketball and, like, loved hockey and loved NFL. So it was really sad that, like, I got pulled into, like, the dark side where, you know, people are trying to tear you down. And so. So that was one scandal, and I had to address it on my story and be like, that is not me, and people still believe it's me. And then literally three months later, another scandal. And that one actually was me. And it was. It was tough because I'm so sorry.

[Jason]

That's brutal.

[Overtime Megan]

Thank you. It really gave me such thick skin. It made me realize so much, and the amount of friends I made through it, actually in the industry. And a lot of women that came to me that were like, this happened to me too. A lot of women in the industry, a lot of people in media, people from la, just, like, people everywhere, like, I see you and, like, I feel sorry for you and I'm here for you. Like, the amount of support was so overwhelming that it filled the void of what was actually happening in my life. But, yeah, that is, like, pretty much what ended, like, the relationship I was in at the time. So my life took a whole one.

[Jason]

Day because that happened. You guys broke up.

[Overtime Megan]

It was a lot. Like, he was playing hockey at the time. So, like, imagine, like, it would have been just too much to continue our normal lives, like, for me to, like, go. Go to his games and, like, fans would come up to me at his games regardless. And so, like, with how viral it went, it was just too much for, like, me to continue my life with him there for him. He needed to, like, lay Low. Even playing hockey, he had to lay low and not do some interviews for a while. Not. Do not do content on the side.

[Jason]

Like, were like things that him leaked too.

[Overtime Megan]

Yeah, he was in it. He was in it. So that's what sucked for him. Is that like in the hockey world too? Hockey is so buttoned up. And so to see stuff like that, you know, I really was also worried for his career and I felt like part of it was my fault. And we at first were like, we're gonna work this out. But then it was just so soul shattering on both of us that we were like, this is not gonna work out. Like, it's just not. You can't continue your relationship after something. It was because it went so viral. Like, if you get hacked, you get hacked. It's whatever. If they post it, okay, sure. Maybe like a few thousand people see it. It was like in the millions and millions on every social media platform.

[Jason]

I'm wondering like, my like, investigative hat goes to like, who could do something like that? And then you think it's either money driven, it's revenge driven, or it's like a psychopath. So like the person that hacked you, like, do you have any idea who it was or do you think it was business money? Do you think it was psychopath or revenge?

[Overtime Megan]

I think it was business because somebody saw.

[Jason]

How do you make money off it though?

[Overtime Megan]

You sell them. So I think. Oh, I can't actually say it's a, it's a, it's a case. I actually can't say too much, but I, I, this is like an opinion of mine. I do think it was money driven to, to take them and there's a market there and to sell them.

[Jason]

It was, that's insane.

[Overtime Megan]

It was crazy. Like, my Instagram even deleting my Instagram. I deleted my Instagram and tik tok for a bit. I, I sat on Snapchat. I was like, I'm going to go ghost for a bit. See you guys. And I stayed silent for about only two weeks. And then someone, I think it was like my boss and he was like, you got to show that you're not afraid of it. Or like someone said this to me. It was probably, he was like, you gotta show you're not afraid. Like, if you hide, that says I did something wrong. I'm gonna go hide in the corner. He's like, you gotta stand up. And I was like, I'm gonna stand up then. So I stood up and let's go. I literally, I bounced back within like a Month. And I did like a podcast after that. I did, I did like a Megan tour. I was single. I was like, I'm gonna like, get back on my grind. And I started doing like events again. And it was like, it was like the first events back to everything. Like my first Knicks game, my first Rangers game, my first like even working with like some hockey teams or hockey events, just doing things that were like that. Like my first events back after were anxiety inducing. So I'm like, does everyone know everyone else? Yeah, everyone knew. Everyone knew and no one cared. No one cared. The only people that cared are like the incels and trolls online.

[Jason]

They're like, oh, haha, yeah, the weirdo.

[Overtime Megan]

But real people in the business, like, no stuff happens. They know. Like, no one in the industry disagreed or made fun of me. In fact, it was just so much support that I was like, I feel good. But is the thick skin you have to build for all the trolls online who are gonna make fun of. Make edits out of it? Edits. They made edits.

[Jason]

Ed's unbelievable. It's sad, it's sick. It's unbelievable you had to deal with that. You know, it's interesting. I just talked to an insurance broker and one thing he's like, I think you should think about is called social media disruption or Internet disruption insurance. And essentially what the idea behind this is. Like, if something disrupts your business, which is generating revenue consistently through the Internet, then like, it insures you for someone like yourself. Like when something like this happens and you shut everything down, like, how do you, how do you. How do you still work or do you. Did overtime just say like, we'll support. Like, how do you actually still earn a living when you have to shut down everything that drives a living because of some scumbag that did this to you?

[Overtime Megan]

Unfortunately, it was more just a mental toll. So like, actually when it came to work, it didn't truly affect that much. I just laid low and no one blames me for it. Like, over time was like, take your time.

[Jason]

Much time as you want.

[Overtime Megan]

Yeah, I didn't come back into the office for like, I think a month or so to like film anything. And then even like at events and whatnot, like, I was still getting paid and I was still going to events. But I like, like a month after, like, I think I took a month off. But like, it really didn't affect me. It didn't affect me financially wise, maybe in terms of like future brand deals of people that may have wanted to work with me and maybe stepped Back due to the height of the publicity in it and the. In the PR nightmare that it was. Maybe there was some deals that it made, maybe didn't go through that I probably don't even know about. But, like, it didn't actually stop anything. Like, I continued to work in sports. I continued to get offers and deals because I think everyone has a general understanding of, like, this was not your fault. Like, this literally was not your fault. It was your boyfriend. They hacked your.

[Jason]

You.

[Overtime Megan]

Your boyfriend, your ex boyfriend's conversation. Like, you weren't, like, doing this somewhere. It was just more of the aspect of, like, you know, get it, getting over it and coming back. But it is funny because a lot of people, like, said the same thing. They're like, this could affect, like, you know, money. And I guess that's like an argument there. It's also an argument in terms of. Of, you know, just reputation, too. It's like your reputation is almost, like, tainted in a way to something you can't even, like, help. But I would honestly look into that. That's probably a really good idea because, like, cancel culture is so common now. In a way, I got, like, not canceled, but, like, people, like, hated on me for it, and I'm like, what did I do?

[Jason]

You got assaulted.

[Overtime Megan]

Oh, my God, it was so bad.

[Jason]

It was so bad. With this.

[Overtime Megan]

I laugh about it now because I'm able. I processed what had happened to me, me. But in. In the moment, I was definitely not laughing.

[Jason]

It was brutal.

[Overtime Megan]

It was brutal.

[Jason]

So for anyone that's listening to this that's going through a tough time or a time, like, mentally, something happened. It could be anything. Yeah. Like, what is your biggest learning lesson from that experience and getting over it and being through it that, like, you would give to someone listening right now.

[Overtime Megan]

I think you just have to put down the phone and realize, like, if you have a strong base around you, you know, your friends, your family, people that love you for you, turn to them, talk to them, call them, them, get your words out. Like, don't let any. Any bad thoughts in your head sit in your head. Like, there was some times where I would actually just, like, I thought my life was over, and I kept repeating that to myself or, you know, you know, your. Your reputation's damaged. You'll never be the same person again. And. No, I'm not the same person. I. I definitely had to adjust and realign and rebuild who I felt that I was and what I represented. But, you know, everyone in my life who knew me reminded me, like, no, this you're you, you're the same person you've always been. So it of leaning on my friends and family and so you just got to talk to somebody. Even if it's a therapist, talk to a therapist. Like if you're going through a hard time, if you leave those thoughts in, I don't care if you sound like a broken record to whoever you're talking to, just keep getting it out until it's out of your head. And you have to speak it out because really like bad energy and bad feelings, like it really does manifest into like even worse things. I think it snowballs. So you must just push it out into the universe and let it float away like a little balloon.

[Jason]

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[Overtime Megan]

Yeah.

[Jason]

And so I, I'm wondering, like, h. How do you deal with that? Like, what do you. What are some of the things you think about? Like, you're, you're going to interview someone, you're going to do your job, and all of a sudden people are saying you guys are sl. Together. Like, this is like, it's insanity. But how is that a real thing? And if so, how do you deal with managing like this. These worlds of like, like the sexism. Yeah, the sexism.

[Overtime Megan]

Yeah.

[Jason]

Personal life, hitting the professional life.

[Overtime Megan]

Yeah.

[Jason]

Like how do you deal with it? And do you feel like it's like it prevalent is like I'm perceiving it right now in your industry.

[Overtime Megan]

It's. It's definitely. It's there. Like, it's there. You know, there is power, there's power imbalances. There's successful men around, you know, around you all the time. And it does go through my brain sometimes. And there is, you know, there is things that like, need to be changed. But I think it really is just mindsets and I think it's the mindset of the audience. I think if you're viewing a reporter or even me, if you look at me and I'm interviewing an athlete, which is literally in a public place on a red carpet and you comment, he deaf hit. Which is like what they normally do. Like, if you're making a comment, a sexual comment, it look, you really need to look at yourself.

[Jason]

Such a loser.

[Overtime Megan]

Like, they're most likely a 14 year old boy. Honestly, I look at it like that. I look at it as a sign of immaturity.

[Jason]

Children.

[Overtime Megan]

Exactly. So most of the people that view it that way. I know how I feel when I walk into a room of men. And even if there is a power imbalance, nobody makes you feel that way and nobody makes you feel like you are lesser than. It's just like the Internet. The Internet takes women in sports and twists it and literally assumes that every athlete has like gone through you after the interview. It's like this weird trope. I think it's a way of just. It's not actually people meaning what they say. It's their way of degrading you and your job and your work and what you're doing at the moment. And also, like in my head, like, I have this very thick skin. I know those boys would kill to be in my spot. Like, I know these boys who comment this would literally cry if they were standing in front of like LeBron or Kobe or anybody or. Well, rest in Peace, Kobe. Like if they were in front of all these people or getting recognition from all these people, they would literally be at the height of their life. But the fact that they can't be there, they're just going to try and tear a woman down for being there. So that's what I view it as is like if these 13 and 14, 15 year old boys or even some grown men, common things, it's which is like quite embarrassing. I just imagine I'm like, dude, you would be, you would kill to be sitting in front of like it's all in Travis Kelce right now. You would kill to be in this position. And that's why I know you're projecting on me right now. So I have that mindset. And so like any, I think a lot of women in the industry also agree with that is like when, when men say stuff like that or boys, you just know they're projecting onto you because they would kill to be in that position but they just won't do the work to get there. And then you know what? I'm interviewing your favorite athlet and you're just making a sex joke because it's all they have to make.

[Jason]

I love it.

[Overtime Megan]

Because I can't make a joke about my job.

[Jason]

Yeah, they're not going to do that. Think about like the maturity and like what you've gone through and the experience at the age of 25 and the fact that all these like setbacks actually are just fuel to keep you going. Yeah. You're going to, you're going to continue to just absolutely crush it. Has there been any other setbacks since some of these that have happened that almost caused you to leave the industry or right now are you like, you can't touch me. I have. You have tried to drag me down, hackers and all. I'm unstoppable.

[Overtime Megan]

Yeah. You guys try to drag me out.

[Jason]

By my neck, I'm unstoppable. Has there ever been a time since all this happened that like you've questioned maybe getting out of the industry or.

[Overtime Megan]

No, no. The sports industry is so amazing and it's so tangible and it'll always be there. It doesn't rely on relevance, it doesn't rely on clicks and views and clickbait and you know, having a good thumbnail or good title or doing something revolutionary. It doesn't rely on that. It relies on good people, good sports fans, you know, maybe a few beers, some pre games, all that stuff. Tailgating. It's just a really good culture and community that nothing could make me ever leave it. Nothing could make me lose it. Because the sports industry and what I do has always been there for me, and it's always been my defining factor. And even, like, I went through a breakup, even people being like, you're nothing without that man. Because he also has a prevalence in the media world. I'm like, I had my life before him and during him, and I have it after him. And so there's nothing that could take this away from me. And you've tried. You guys tried to make me look bad. You know, nothing has stopped me. And I don't think. I think anything will ever stop me. So, you know, I'm always going to be overtime Meghan. And I'll continue to be overtime Meghan. No matter what breakup I go through, no matter what scandal people want to pin me up to, it's always going to be there. So, like, I think I went through the worst. Honestly, I think I've already been through the worst, that everything just feels like an up from here. I think the leaks was the bottom, and you can only go up from the bottom.

[Jason]

You're a warrior. You've heard your stripes. You're killing it out there. Talk to me about, like, one career highlight. You think about all these people you've interviewed, all these things you've done. What is, like, the one memory? You're like, this is the coolest thing I've ever accomplished or done.

[Overtime Megan]

Like, recently, I've been so obsessed with the. With the Red zone stuff that I've been doing with Scott Hansen. Scott Hansen's like, my spirit animal.

[Jason]

Yeah, he's a beauty.

[Overtime Megan]

Oh, my God. He's such a beauty. A beauty. I love that he's, like, literally so amazing to work with. The chemistry is great. We bounce off each other. I literally feel like he's moving me in, like, man form and, like, you know, a little bit older. He's literally me, and I'm him, and so it just works so well. And, like, that fulfills me every time I do it. It's so much fun. And then another highlight was, like, just all the Super Bowls I've done. I can't believe I would be at super bowl doing what I've done. Like, the first year I ever did it, I literally was, like, on the red carpet. I was doing, like, live events, live shows. I did a live show with Stephen A. Smith, and I'm like, I can't believe I'm alongside Stephen A. Smith right now. Like, I also. That's my spirit animal, too. I'm like, this man is literally. Literally me. Like, I just. I love all these people that I get to work with. And so I think that's, like, what builds my peaks in my career. And also, like, going to the Olympics this year was amazing. So just so many things that have fulfilled me in the past two years that I'm like, I gotta keep going. And it fuels me. It's like. It's like a high. I love it.

[Jason]

You're just rolling, you're high, you're feeling. You're killing. All right, now talk to me about this. I give you a blank check right now.

[Overtime Megan]

Yeah.

[Jason]

And you're like, in my career, this is how much I'm gonna earn in a year. At one point, what number are you putting on that blanket check?

[Overtime Megan]

Like, ever? Like, this is my height that I want to make in one year.

[Jason]

You look at your career and you're, like, thinking about, okay, this is my career. This is my goal. I'm going to take this check. Well, I'm tell. This is an exercise that Jim Carrey did.

[Overtime Megan]

Yes.

[Jason]

So he said, I'm going to live in LA, and in five years, I'm going to make $10 million. And on the fourth year and a half, with Dumb and dumber, he hit $10 million, and he brought the check out. It was all crumpled. It was everything. So it's like his manifestation.

[Overtime Megan]

Yes.

[Jason]

So, like your blank check as a woman in sports and digital, moving into traditional. What's that blank check? What's the number?

[Overtime Megan]

We're gonna be realistic.

[Jason]

Let's go.

[Overtime Megan]

Because I live in New York City, I pay New York City rent prices. I, you know, I'm not an athlete, so I'm not gonna be making 100 million, not gonna be even making 60, 50 million. I think being realistic, I think, like, 10 million is a good number to be realistic about in the next five years. But to have that accessible, not to have made 10 million total, but to, like, have that in the bank account.

[Jason]

To, like, build a net worth of 10 million.

[Overtime Megan]

Yes. Or just like, yeah, liquid cash. Just to have it and then. Or have it in, like, assets as well. Like, to have it in, you know, my stocks and to have it in maybe like, buying a home in New York City, something like that as well. So I would definitely love that.

[Jason]

Okay. Net worth of 10 million. It's on your horizon now. You got a resume, and you could put your dream job like that. That exactly is what you're working towards. What exactly? Give me the precision. What is that job?

[Overtime Megan]

I think definitely just Being a consistent table reporter on like espn, even like co hosting like Red Zone with Scott, sometimes like actual Red Zone, doing stuff like that, like just being on broadcast with the NHL and NFL. I think NBA, I love NBA still, but I feel like I fit more into the NFL and NHL world now when it comes to like reporting. NBA is still so much fun and I love doing the interviews with the athletes but I would love to like go to like the hockey games all the time and like interview the athletes. It'd be so fun. But on TV I want like my parents to be able to watch me.

[Jason]

So like ESPN on tv, traditional sideline reporting that that's where the future.

[Overtime Megan]

Yeah, everyone digital content wants to be traditional content. Traditional digital. Everyone wants to make the switch. And so I think I've already, I'm on a good track of doing that and I like, I love hosting live events so like continuing to do that as well. But to solidify an on TV role would be amazing.

[Jason]

When you go for an on TV role and they're like, they're thinking about who they're going to go with, do you have to go through an audition and like what does that audition process look like?

[Overtime Megan]

It's more just like they reach out to your agents and they're like, okay, we want Megan for this. Like can you send in a demo reel? So anyone that does broadcast or just works in the sports industry and that is an on air talent has a demo reel.

[Jason]

How do you build a demo reel?

[Overtime Megan]

Your demo reel is so you have to like obviously get a bunch of gigs and even if those gigs are smaller gigs, you have to do things that can prove your skill and your talent and show your interview style and also just show your on screen presence. And you know, that's what social media does. But just for a formality you need to have a demo reel. And so obviously demo reel doesn't show as much as your personality is like might want it to. Like social media can do that. Yeah, I have that from like a bunch of small gigs, like shows I've hosted for like NFL events and whatnot, red carpet interviews. So it's like a compilation of interviews, hosting and on air stuff and like run of shows and things of that sort. So they, you pretty much send that in. That's just like a formality though. They pretty much go basically based off of like if they see you on social media and they're like, okay, we like your vibes, they'll take you.

[Jason]

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[Overtime Megan]

Unscripted.

[Jason]

Like, would you do reality?

[Overtime Megan]

Yes.

[Jason]

You would? Because I like what show. What show would you do?

[Overtime Megan]

Maybe I should. Should I? We talked about, like, the Bachelor.

[Jason]

Would you do it?

[Overtime Megan]

Franchise.

[Jason]

I think you should do it.

[Overtime Megan]

I would want to be vying for a man. I wouldn't want to be the Bachelorette. I would want to be vying for the man.

[Jason]

Because then you want to be one of the 30.

[Overtime Megan]

Yes.

[Jason]

No one says that. That's unbelievable.

[Overtime Megan]

It's a challenge. Because why? Everyone wants to be the main star of attention. Yeah, that's fun, but that's a given. You're the. You're the star of the show.

[Jason]

Show.

[Overtime Megan]

I want to fight for it. I want to become the character that everyone, like, is clipping on Tick tock and being like, she's my queen. No, I want to be like the comedic relief. But honestly, I think I'd be a little too chaotic for the Bachelor franchise.

[Jason]

Chaotic. I don't know why.

[Overtime Megan]

Every girl is just such a princess on there. Like, every girl is like a Princess Diana on there. And I'm like, I think I would come in there and they would just not know what to do.

[Jason]

Would you be like the villain do you think?

[Overtime Megan]

Definitely not the villain.

[Jason]

I think I things up.

[Overtime Megan]

I think I would be a little too blunt. A little too blunt. Cuz, like, I call out people on their BS and I expect people to do the same to me.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Overtime Megan]

And so I think if a girl, like, was like, dogging another girl, I would be like, hey, what's going on here? Like, I would be not a peacemaker, but I think I would be like the realist on the show in a way of, like, I would make jokes about things, but I think I'd be like, hey, what's going on? Like, what. Why are we fighting over this?

[Jason]

This is. Don't do this. Don't. Full New York would come out. You would just be setting the record straight with everybody.

[Overtime Megan]

Yeah, I would literally be like, guys, it's a man. Literally. Even though that's the whole point of the show. Like, so I think I wouldn't fit in, but I would do it.

[Jason]

I feel like. I feel like you should give it a go. I feel like you should give it a go. You're now single. You got the professional track down, financial track. You're killing it. I think take a little this day in life and go do. Go do something like that.

[Overtime Megan]

I think, honestly, Survivor, I feel like I can open a coconut and start a fire. I can definitely start a fire and I can, like, climb a tree and, like, get some coconuts and whatnot.

[Jason]

So I think maybe can you actually open coconut? Yeah, you just got to smash the out of that.

[Overtime Megan]

There's a certain way to do it.

[Jason]

There's a certain place you have to hit.

[Overtime Megan]

There is a certain place.

[David]

All right.

[Jason]

Survivor might be in your future too. You never know.

[Overtime Megan]

You said that was on my podcast. You said that's something you would do.

[Jason]

And I was like, survivor, I would Amazing Race. You do Amazing Race. I would do Amazing Race, too.

[Overtime Megan]

Yes.

[Jason]

I mean, you got. There's. There's things going on here.

[Overtime Megan]

Did you ever do it Amazing Race?

[Jason]

I. I would do any of those.

[Overtime Megan]

Okay, well, if you ever need a.

[Jason]

Partner that you like to go do Amazing Race together.

[Overtime Megan]

Yeah, I would do Amazing Race.

[Jason]

Absolutely amazing.

[Overtime Megan]

We're locked in.

[Jason]

All right, last one I got for you. On the personal life. What's the hardest thing about dating with your profession? Being in the public spotlight, being on TikTok. Is it hard to go out there and start dating again?

[Overtime Megan]

I. I think so, because you have to differentiate between, do you want someone who also has a public job and understands that aspect, but then you kind of lose a natural human Connection that you. I. I think when both people are public figures, you do lose a little bit of, like, the natural timeline of a relationship. I think you lose, like, the.

[Jason]

What do you mean?

[Overtime Megan]

Of it.

[Jason]

What do you mean? Timeline.

[Overtime Megan]

There's a need to announce it to the public. There's, like, a need to, like, validate it. And I never felt those things in my relationship, but they were brought out upon me.

[Jason]

Sure.

[Overtime Megan]

Where you had to, like, validate the relationship to other people. You had to bring it up. You had to say you were dating. People ask you if you're dating. So there's, like, a level to it that you just lose the natural timeline of, like, oh, getting to know each other. You guys can go out together. Like, you get seen out the first date, and people assume you're already dating. So it's kind of weird. You have to either block it out, but it's hard. It's there. It's there, and you have to accept it, and you have to kind of just go parallel to all the publicity. But it's just. It's not really natural, in my opinion. It's not natural. So I think meeting someone out in the wild would be good. But even meeting someone out the wild.

[Jason]

I love that you call it the wild. Is that a Gen Z thing or is that a you thing?

[Overtime Megan]

I think it's a me thing. I call it the wild because, like, men in their natural habitat are insane to, like, deal with. I, like, I can't do the small talk. I can't do it anymore at the bar. And the only men I talk to are normally, mentally, men that come up to me, which is my problem. Like, I wait till a man comes up to me, and they're like, hey, are you Megan? And then I start a conversation with them, but I'm like, they already have a preconceived notion about me.

[Jason]

So what's the wild, then? Men out in the wild equals what?

[Overtime Megan]

The men out in the wild equals, like, New York City. Just generally living my life, like, dating scene. So, like, that is like, bars, restaurants. It's social media and bars.

[Jason]

You're going old school.

[Overtime Megan]

I'm going old school.

[Jason]

You want to sit down at a bar stool, see the guy to your right, and that's your future husband?

[Overtime Megan]

Yeah, I do.

[Jason]

There you go.

[Overtime Megan]

It's hard, though, because, like, you. How. Like, what if he's a serial killer? Like, who knows? What if he's, like, the worst boy ever and you don't find out? And, like, oh, my gosh, you never know. People and so that's why I normally like to actually just get a man through, like a mutual connection. Like, I like that someone has vouched for somebody.

[Jason]

Warm lead, but. Warm lead?

[Overtime Megan]

Yes, a warm.

[Jason]

A warm, incredible person that like, says, hey, I know I could vouch.

[Overtime Megan]

Which is also kind of old, like being like, hey, I got, I got a girl for you. Like my date. Yeah. So I love that too. I love that. But, yeah, we'll see where it goes. I. I don't really particularly like people that are in the public eye, like I said. Because of the timeline thing.

[Jason]

Yeah, timeline things are very, very real thing.

[Overtime Megan]

It's very real.

[Jason]

You actually think about it. I think you nailed that. I mean.

[Overtime Megan]

Yeah, I think it's hard to put it into words. Yeah, it's there.

[Jason]

The difficult. There's two. Okay. The two last relationships I went were public before that, like a math teacher and a medical sales rep and attorney. So a lot of people meet through work.

[Overtime Megan]

Yeah.

[Jason]

So it's easier to like, meet someone and connect with them because you're trapped. I live in an airplane. Right. But I'm living an airplane to go to events. And then there's PR people. Like, so that's easy where you eat. But you're. That's a good point too. But the, the aspect of. Yeah. Meeting someone out in the wild, that is from a timeline perspective. And just like all that.

[Overtime Megan]

Yeah. People see you out. They make rumors. People, people make up rumors about, like public people too. Like, I'm sure you've experienced it where people like, say things about you or say things about your significant other that like, aren't true or, you know, maybe in my case, probably are true. So, like, it's just, it's just like. Or you find out things on social media. So it's an unfortunate consequence of dating someone else in the public eye. But normally people just date. Do it for the sole sense of like, oh, we relate to each other. But I prefer someone that's just like living their life like a nice, A nice east coast man that I can go snowboarding with or skiing and we can read together and swap books and wants to get married and that's it.

[Jason]

Perfect. Sounds like you gotta figure it out. You'll find that person maybe on the Bachelorette, maybe at the next door bar down the road.

[Overtime Megan]

There you go.

[Jason]

Last question I got for you because we didn't touch on it and I want to make sure I give it to people. You were able to achieve a ton of social media following in a very short period of Time. Right now, it's the hottest thing in the world. There are grandparents trying to build social media. There are five year olds trying to build social media. Everybody in between. So for your trading secret, what are some big tips that anybody listening to this that's trying to get some momentum on social media, what would you tell them?

[Overtime Megan]

Everyone says, define your niche. Niche. And I, I do agree with that. Don't be afraid to try a billion other things though. Before, like, I have done so many different things. I did gaming. I'm not a gamer. I did gaming.

[Jason]

What game did you play?

[Overtime Megan]

Like overtime? Like kind of like align me with their Fortnite team for some time. I don't game. We had a 2k team. Like I was aligning with that. I did like food content, I did cooking content, which I still do out of like my own enjoyment. Like, I've done so many things. I've done more, you know, like dating content, lifestyle content, obviously, like the sports interview content. And now I've just become my own person where, like, I think my personality just shines through. But I tried so many different things to reach new audiences and I have no shame in it. Like my eras that I've lived through, like my cringe content in 2020 to like, like I said, like, what was cringe?

[Jason]

What was cringe?

[Overtime Megan]

All the 2020 trends. I was like, I went through a phase where I did like every trend that was happening in 2020 and it was just like 2020 TikTok. Like, I'm sure you're aware it was really cringy. It was really bad. And I don't know why I did it, but it worked. It did.

[Jason]

Yeah, it works.

[Overtime Megan]

When you go with the times, it works. But I have now like my solidified niche where I don't have to go all crazy and do all different things that I've done. But don't be afraid to like try out different audiences and build new audiences and try out different things and then just stick to one. It's okay. It's okay. Like find your niche and stop there. But like, don't be ashamed of like the different eras you've had. And like, don't be afraid of putting yourself out there in something that you're not so comfortable. And like, I was not a gamer and I tried gaming. Now I've. I had a gaming audience at the time, so it depends. Yeah, you got to like really try some different.

[Jason]

Just throw it all at the wall, see what works, see what doesn't work and just try it. I think that's the biggest thing you're saying is like, give it all a shot. Try it. And then you'll get information back based on what you put out there.

[Overtime Megan]

Yeah.

[Jason]

Just accordingly. And then you'll be good.

[Overtime Megan]

Yeah.

[Jason]

All right, we got a wrap with one trading secret. So it could be a financial trading secret, could be life, it could be a quote, it could be a book, could be anything.

[Overtime Megan]

Oh, my God.

[Jason]

People can only get it from you. Given your experience. It can't learn from a professor and school. You can't learn from a Tik Tok tutorial or anything like that. They can only get it from you. The one, the only overtime. Megan. So, Megan, what is one trading secret you could leave us with?

[Overtime Megan]

Can I get a little philosophical?

[Jason]

Get philosophy. The deeper the better.

[Overtime Megan]

The only person you have to live with is yourself. And even in the darkness, your shadow leaves you. So you know you're always just by yourself. Make sure you're happy with your choices. Make sure you come to terms with your mistakes and your regrets and learn from them and try to better yourself every day. You're not always going to be happy with yourself, but try to learn what is going to make you happy and fill your soul and fill your voids and learn what you need to operate and get the gears turning and then you'll be happy on your own. It's like creating your own fire. And then you know when people want to bring fire into your life too and add to it, that's fine. But never live your life without your own, like, eternal flame burning inside. Like I said, shadow leaves you.

[Jason]

So shadow leaves you. That was a deep trading secret. That was a good one. And I always like to give one. Like a trading secret. I took away from this, I think that was a really good one. But one I've taken away from you is I think most times in life when people get set back, it can hold them back or keep them back. And I think every time you've been set back, you use it as an opportunity to propel you for strength moving forward.

[Overtime Megan]

Yeah.

[Jason]

So like these things that can knock people out, take them down, and never want to learn, really show them face again. You're like, that is part of me. It defines me. You can't stop me. And actually, because you did that, yeah, I'm now stronger and better and I'm going to be an unstoppable force.

[Overtime Megan]

Exactly.

[Jason]

So anybody listening to this, if you've been knocked down, if been kicked down, if you've been punched, if you've been broken, don't break. Get back up. Make it stronger.

[Overtime Megan]

F you. To the haters.

[Jason]

Pushing right after you. To the haters.

[Overtime Megan]

All the things, all of them.

[Jason]

So if we got any haters out there, fuck you. Megan, thank you so much for being on. Great guest. Where can everyone find everything you have.

[Overtime Megan]

Going on at overtime? Megan, thank you. On Instagram, TikTok. Megan the Mic on YouTube. You can see me and Jason's podcast from my perspective and a Snapchat. Megan. Eugenio. So thank you so much for having me. I had so much fun trading secrets with you.

[Jason]

Trading secrets. We'll have to do a round two once you hit that successful, that number, that big opportunity.

[Overtime Megan]

And come back with my 10 mil.

[Jason]

You come back with your 10 mil, we'll talk.

[Overtime Megan]

Absolutely.

[Jason]

All right. Thanks for being on Killing It.

[Overtime Megan]

Ding, ding, ding.

[Jason]

We are closing the bell after a hot intro and hopefully what you thought was another episode you couldn't afford to miss with overtime. Meg, I got the one, the only, the curious Canadian with me. David, what you think about this episode? Biggest takeaways, things you like, things you didn't like. What do you. What are you buzzing on?

[David]

Teased it in the intro. Her energy, her energy was infectious on this episode. She couldn't wait to be on it. She mentioned it a couple times. Even when I talk about hearing some of the recording, pre pressing record, some of the banter, she was, she was absolutely stoked. I mean, 25 years old, Soul J been through 45, 50 years of, you know, adversity trauma, you know, things that I don't think anyone would wish on their worst enemy, their best friend, let alone a loved one, a sibling with, you know, her phone getting hacked and personal and private information being out there. And I gotta tell you, man, some of the insights that she gave on that, which I'm going to allude to once I get your takeaways, were really impactful. As someone who maybe would never think that that is, you know, really where someone goes and how they view that situation and get out of it. So just like in any episode, I always look for takeaways and this is nothing short of some really motivating and inspiring takeaways. Just how she got to where she is, how happy she is in her career and some things that she's really had to work through in her personal life to get to where she is. Which it seems like from her energy, really happy and healthy and more assured herself than ever.

[Jason]

You know, conflict and trouble creates growth. Right? Like, so, like for me, it's like this is someone who, no matter what, is thrown her way, you know, she kind of just. She. She sits in it, she goes through it, she understands it, and she comes out the other side three times more informed, more educated, more prepared for tomorrow. And it. She feels like she's, you know, you think about her age, it's like she's in her 20s, going on her 50s with her wisdom, you know, so. And I think that's a good. To me, that's more of, like, just a life lesson, is like, life gives you so much information. Do you want to take the information and make the best version of yourself, or do you want to let it beat you down and take you out 100?

[David]

And when it comes to, like, so much information, right. The one thing that she said and her real. Her big takeaway of how she got through all these things was to put her phone down. And I think sometimes in life when we're looking for answers and we're looking for solutions, we're right into our phone, we're right into the computer. Tell me how to get through this. Chat, GBT, Google, WebMD, Wikipedia, you know, text this person, text that person. Call, put your phone down, she said, talk to the people that love you and adjust, realign and rebuild who the shot she was and how she wanted to be represented. I thought that, in its essence was like a trading secret chapter in a book where I was just like, whoa, that was really impactful.

[Jason]

It's so funny you said that because that was a big takeaway. And today I was scrolling and it reminded me of what she said in this episode.

[Overtime Megan]

And.

[Jason]

And it was two brains being photo scanned under activity and.

[David]

Oh, yeah.

[Jason]

Think about, like, two, three, five, ten years from now. That's what I mean. She's, like, so wise beyond her years. She gets it.

[David]

She gets it. And then her trading secret, I usually end with that. I'm putting it right in here because we're kind of in the feels section of the episode and the recap of it where she said, the only person you have to live with is yourself. Even in the dark, your shadow leaves you. I was like, oh, my God, I'm all for the weeds. We're all for the weeds here. I've never. I've heard, like, the only person you live with is yourself. Make yourself happy. Find what makes you happy. Great. I've never heard the quote, even in the dark, your shadow leaves you.

[Jason]

How do. Like, when you hear that, what do you. What do you say to yourself? What does it mean to you?

[David]

It mean to me when I hear that it means you better know exactly who you are, what you stand for, and, like, what your val. Like, what your values are. Like, true, truly, like, what you'd want or be written on your tombstone of, like, exactly who you are. And if you know that you can take any bullets, shrapnel, insults, put downs, adversity, trauma, things thrown your way, and have the deepest feeling of understanding how that really impacts you and how you want to react to it. That's kind of my takeaway to that. How about you?

[Jason]

You have confidence in that. It makes navigating your life a lot easier and a lot easier with, like, the people you love, too, because you start to put people in your corners. You start to create a safety net of people that are. When they're questioning the things you're doing, right? When they're like, wait, that doesn't seem like the Jason I know. Or, wait, what were you thinking with that? Or how are you doing that? Right? Like, you do it with me all the time. You're doing it actually perfectly said for your name. You're doing it from a place of curiosity. You're doing it from a place of, like, I'd love clarity on that. You're not doing it from a place of, like, you, or I'm trying to take you down or something like that. And I think. I think it's like, when she said that to me, the biggest thing is you got to know yourself ten toes down, but also the people that you allow into your, you know, beautiful garden you build in life, like, you better damn well make sure they kind of represent the same thing, because those are the people that help check your shadow, help check your integrity, help check your foundation, your character, when you might be getting off the path a little bit, which everyone at any point in their life in some capacity that he does 100%.

[David]

Listen, if you told me when we were having overtime Megan on that, we would spend the first six and a half minutes of the recap talking about, like, Deep Phil. Like, I would have been like, no. Why is this the overtime Megan that gets paid overtime? Because she's like, an elite therapist. Did that take you? Does that. Do you feel the same way? Like, did that catch you off guard a little bit?

[Jason]

It caught me off guard in a million ways because, yes, everything I just said in. In relation to, like, what she said is bang on. Also, a lot of her episode brought me into another recent thing I saw from Tom Brady, where it's just like kind of knowing yourself and your skill set. I thought it was really interesting what he said and what he talked about is like even like how he sucked at there. He's like, there are certain things in life I sucked at. I was the worst. Like bio I couldn't do. He goes, but I have a photographic memory when it came to plays. Like I would see the play and I would memorize it. It would take me 2 seconds, seconds. So if you're a quarterback and it's going to take you like 24 hours of sitting in a dungeon, like trying to jam it in your brain, memorizing the plays you're just never going to make, it doesn't matter. And he talked about like his skill set. He's like, I could work harder than anybody. I could be more disciplined. But that discipline was going to make me about 10 to 15, maybe 20% better on the best time of my life. He's like, you're still like, I think everyone in life is still constricted within like what your natural talent is. And even if you're banging away, working so hard, trying to be that next thing, it's irrelevant if like what it is that you're doing isn't something that's like a natural gift of yours.

[David]

It's so funny. There's been that whole thing is a big trading secret, I think for managers and leaders when they're, when they're managing people, don't try and fix people's weaknesses. If you're managing someone and you're looking for productivity, don't try and fix the things they can't do. You have to harness and excel and put them in the situation, the things that they're to going great at and focus on those and that's how you're going to get maximum outputs. Stop wasting time trying to fix something that'll make them 1% better when it's really 1% of their entire toolbox because they're already not good at it. Focus on the things that make them the 90%, what separates them and let them go and excel in that. So that's, that's I, I'm the ying and yang there. I, I, I like that. I love that.

[Jason]

A lot of moving parts here. Anything else that like just the curiosity side of your brain. You listen to this like you think the viewers will watch us and they're, they're listening like anything curiosities you're wondering about.

[David]

Yeah. It'd be dismissed if we didn't talk a little bit about the business, the career track of it. I just got to point this out. I Mean, we're talking about someone who went on a date because she was interested that this guy might be able to hook her up with the manager of overtime. She always wanted to be at overtime. Freshman in college, $15 an hour. You know, I love a good mindset of someone who says, I will do anything. I will go get coffee, I will go get the mail, I will take out the trash. She did her homework in the office after hours because she just wanted to be at the place that the whole time. That parlayed into a salary. Preco tik tok salary. 30, 50, 65k, three years. That's big time deal for a sophomore in college, owns her own ip. And I just love how she said she would never leave her company. And I'm wondering in your brain, when someone says they would never leave the company, if you're sitting in that chair, be like, well, you're like, that's dumb. Like, that's probably not the smartest thing. Like, you know this world, you know what she's capable of. But I just love how, how set she is in her company, what it's done for her. And I also respect the company because they allow her to do the partnerships with the Knicks and the Rangers and mad Madison Square Garden and take their own brand deals because the comp in this is barstool. And barstool doesn't allow their talent to do their own brand deals and do those things. And that is why the barstool people make more money than people expect in their salaries because the deals that they're doing for the company off their own personal socials is probably raking in the company so much money it's easy to pay those salaries.

[Jason]

Yeah, I think you're bringing up a big, a big point here. You brought it up with barstool, you brought it up with Megan. Then you even asked me like, you know, do you believe in what she's saying? And the thing is, I think that we went through this our generation where our parents never left their companies. And now we started to move in this generation where no one stays at their companies. And I think now we're moving in the direction that companies are getting smart to say we don't want to lose the best people. Like, how do we make this the best for you? Because we don't want to lose you. Now, that being said, we still have better boundaries and parameters and we, you know, with as long as given those like we're, you know, competitive in the market and can make you happy, that you shouldn't so, like, the dream position is to be with a company that grows with you and then customizes what you need based on what you provide in value and that you don't have to leave with our top producers and our, like I call them, like our OGs, our. Our loyal performers at Rewired. Like, I'll back come customize anything possible to. Not to make sure they don't leave. As long as it's not putting the company in a position where they're going to, you know, we're going to end up broke tomorrow.

[David]

Like, you know, the cost of turnover in a company, it's so expensive. It's so expensive training and searching and recruiting and that's time and it's hours and it's brain and it's heart and it's trust and it's all these things. No, thank you. Take care of the. The people who have made you what it is. I got one more.

[Jason]

And wait, one quick thing with that too, is for those that work in these smaller companies or any companies, make yourself invaluable.

[David]

Yes.

[Jason]

Like, put yourself in a position where your bosses, at the end of the review, and I'm usually in this position with the people that are still with us are. We cannot lose them. We can't. We don't have an option. When you create that position, you're opening up such leverage not to take advantage of, manage, not to like slam some overhead, but to customize what you want out of your job. 100 and then everything else falls into place.

[David]

And for those people out there, if you've been listening to this podcast for the last five years and you believe in what you're saying, and when you hear this, you get fired up and you've used it and you have a success story. We want to hear it. We want to hear the raise, we want to hear the salary. We want to hear how you position yourself to be invaluable to a company. To. To.

[Jason]

Should we bring the voicemail line back?

[David]

I. Well, I.

[Jason]

Back. We had it once. Did we?

[David]

Yeah. Yeah. It must have been out of service or the battery must have been dead or something because I don't know if we ever actually got one. I would love to.

[Jason]

We're bringing it back.

[David]

Yeah.

[Jason]

I want. You know what? I. You know, it's fun to have people on this podcast that have accomplished so much, all different ages. It's also fun to connect with the people that are listening. Let's bring the people that are listening back on. Let's bring it. Let's just. Let's just get into it.

[David]

David.

[Jason]

Let's go. Go. All right, all right. Bills are winning.

[David]

Boys are buzzing.

[Jason]

Bows are. Boys are sober. You know, we're just thinking clear.

[Overtime Megan]

Yeah.

[Jason]

Voicemail box being set up. Overtime. Meg was unbelievable. David, anything you want to leave us with?

[David]

No, I. I think that I'm. I think that I'm good. I really app. I really like that. That little intro recap combo that we just did. I. You know what? I'm tired. Like, I'm really tired. The five week old, he's catching up to me. The hockey season's back and forth, full swing. The toddler got the norovirus this weekend. He's puked like 35 times. We've changed the bed sheets like, 76, 000 times. I'm tired. It's Sunday night. I lost three games this weekend. I just stuffed my face with pizza and wings. You know what? We're sober. I had a couple beers, Jay. I had a couple beers before this. But you know what? I was. I was dreading this. There's nothing that ends my week better than hopping on the ones and twos with you getting on the. The Voice. Curious Canadian for the people, for the listener. So that's what I'm ending with. I'm ending on a high. I'm ending.

[Jason]

Have grace, right? A little. I like that. End with some positivity. Have great. How. How blessed are you, right? All that. But you got two kids, you got a beautiful wife, a healthy life, a.

[David]

Coach, hockey, doing great.

[Jason]

You had a couple beers. Talk to the boys.

[David]

Yeah, it's great. You know, we're living.

[Jason]

Life is good. We're living. It's all good. We're bringing this energy into 20, 20, 26. I hope you guys had a good week, too. Ups, downs, lefts and rights. You came out on top because you're still here. So thank you so much for being with us on Trading Secrets. Voicemail box coming, JTA coming. Social media changes coming. Different segments coming. Just like we told you guys that you should customize how your work treats you, we decided at Trading Secrets we're going to make some changes. We want to customize, customize what we want to do and what we want to do for you guys. So more is there. Thank you for tuning into another episode. Trig Secrets 1. Hopefully you couldn't afford to miss Go Bills.

[Overtime Megan]

Living that dream.

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