Episode Title: 225. Dylan Efron: From economics to film, BTS of the film industry beyond acting, knowing when you hit a passion, and getting comfortable with the uncomfortable

Summary

Trading Secrets Episode 225: Dylan Efron – From Economics to Film, Behind the Scenes of Hollywood, Discovering Passions, and Embracing Discomfort

Released on March 10, 2025 by Audioboom Studios

In this compelling episode of Trading Secrets, host Jason Tardick delves deep into the multifaceted career of Dylan Efron, a producer, host, social media influencer, and outdoors enthusiast. This episode uncovers the lesser-known aspects of Dylan’s journey from an economics major to a thriving career in the film industry, his transition into hosting, and the invaluable lessons he has learned about embracing discomfort and discovering one’s true passions.

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1. From Economics to the Film Industry

Dylan Efron's career trajectory is anything but conventional. Initially pursuing a degree in economics with aspirations of a traditional corporate role, Dylan’s life took an unexpected turn during his internship at Warner Brothers.

Dylan Efron [04:29]: "No way. What did you expect when I was first leaving college, I was going to go into economics... I just remember I saw all the photos. Everyone's in suits and stuff. Economics was the only thing in school that I actually really liked."

This pivotal experience led him to pivot entirely, embracing the dynamic world of film production. Dylan emphasizes the importance of seizing unexpected opportunities and being open to significant career changes.

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2. Navigating a Sibling Shadow: Differing Paths from Zach Efron

Despite being the brother of renowned actor Zach Efron, Dylan charted his own distinct path in Hollywood. He consciously chose not to follow in Zach’s footsteps into acting, recognizing his own introverted nature and preference for behind-the-camera roles.

Dylan Efron [05:20]: "No. Yeah. So acting was so far from me... I was so shy. I was so shy... I never wanted to step on that. I was stoked for him that he was an actor, but it wasn't for me."

Dylan’s decision highlights the importance of self-awareness and staying true to one’s strengths and preferences, even when family members pursue related but divergent careers.

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3. Embracing the Camera: From Shyness to Hosting

Transitioning from being camera-shy to becoming a confident host, Dylan shares his journey of leaning into discomfort to foster personal growth. He underscores the significance of authenticity over emulation.

Dylan Efron [06:33]: "I'd say my one piece of advice is that I'm not trying to be anyone that I'm not... be happy with who you are and that if you're genuine, people might be interested."

By embracing his authentic self, Dylan found that vulnerability and relatability resonated more with audiences than trying to mimic the charisma of others.

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4. Behind the Scenes in Hollywood: Roles and Financial Insights

Dylan provides an insider’s perspective on the various roles within the film industry that operate behind the camera. He discusses positions such as Director of Photography (DP), stunt coordinators, and production coordinators, highlighting their responsibilities and earning potentials.

Dylan Efron [14:03]: "There's a lot. You can make really good money in transpo... boom op makes and it was like they're making, I don't know at the time it was like 70 bucks an hour or something like that."

He emphasizes the value of hands-on experience and networking, noting that internships and mentorships are crucial for breaking into these specialized roles.

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5. The World of Stunt Work: Challenges and Community

As a stunt performer, Dylan shares the exhilarating yet demanding nature of the job. He explains the physical toll, the camaraderie within the stunt community, and the financial rewards.

Dylan Efron [16:37]: "Yeah, this time I actually had a talking... I had to say some stupid line, but it was great because you're just, like, a hired worker... It's really fun."

Dylan highlights the transition from performing stunts to stunt coordinating, illustrating a common career progression within the industry to mitigate the physical strains of stunt work.

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6. Script Writing: From Passion to Profession

Dylan ventured into scriptwriting as a creative outlet while still employed in a stable 9-to-5 job. His dedication paid off when he sold a script to the Lifetime Channel, allowing him to transition fully into freelance work.

Dylan Efron [27:10]: "I just fell in love with the ability to create a new world and take people there when they read my script."

He outlines the scriptwriting process, the importance of revisions, and the benefits of being part of the Writers Guild for protection and royalties.

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7. Freelancing and Producing: Embracing Uncertainty for Greater Rewards

Leaving his the secure position at Warner Brothers, Dylan embraced freelancing, which offered higher earnings but with the unpredictability of project-based work. His role in producing the Netflix series "Down to Earth" exemplifies his commitment to pursuing projects aligned with his passions.

Dylan Efron [33:05]: "Yeah, it's probably my social media and working with brands... you align with and that means something to me, like aspiration, like you said."

Dylan discusses the balance between financial stability and pursuing fulfilling work, advocating for strategic planning and networking to secure freelance opportunities.

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8. Leveraging Social Media: Building a Brand and Securing Sponsorships

Dylan leverages his social media presence to collaborate with brands that resonate with his values. He explains how he uses his portfolio to attract sponsorships, enabling him to fund passion projects like travel series.

Dylan Efron [44:03]: "So like GoPro, I've had a great relationship. They saw that I wanted to go to Guyana and tell this, this cool story. So they're like, hey, we'll throw in some money for you."

He emphasizes the importance of aligning with brands that support one’s mission and the role of content quality in attracting sponsorships.

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9. Discovering and Embracing True Passions

A central theme of the episode is Dylan’s journey to self-discovery. He discusses how abandoning the restrictive "career box" allowed him to explore and embrace his true passions, leading to a more fulfilling and authentic life.

Dylan Efron [36:17]: "If I just do what I'm passionate about... leaning into those passions and who I am were all opportunities."

By prioritizing his interests in the outdoors, environment, and creative endeavors, Dylan cultivated a lifestyle that aligns with his values and brings him joy.

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10. Future Aspirations: Acting and Musical Pursuits

Looking ahead, Dylan expresses a desire to venture into acting and music, stepping further out of his comfort zone. He acknowledges the challenges but remains optimistic about expanding his creative repertoire.

Dylan Efron [53:21]: "I think this year I like finally put it out there that I would like to act... Even acting in stunts... I've loved it."

His openness to new experiences underscores his commitment to continuous personal and professional growth.

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11. Final Trading Secret: Know and Embrace Who You Are

Concluding the conversation, Dylan imparts a crucial trading secret centered on self-awareness and authenticity. He advises listeners to understand their true selves and let their passions guide their career paths.

Dylan Efron [57:19]: "Know who you are as a person and I think start there... have your passions, have a really good understanding of who you are and be proud of who you are."

This wisdom encapsulates the essence of Dylan’s journey—pursuing what genuinely resonates with him leads to both personal fulfillment and professional success.

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Conclusion

Episode 225 of Trading Secrets offers an inspiring narrative of Dylan Efron’s unconventional career path, emphasizing the importance of self-discovery, embracing discomfort, and aligning one’s work with personal passions. Through candid discussions and insightful anecdotes, Dylan provides listeners with actionable advice on navigating career transitions, breaking into the film industry, and leveraging social media for brand partnerships. His story serves as a testament to the power of authenticity and the rewards of pursuing one’s true interests.

Jason Tardick [56:29]: "Trank C Secrets... how to have fun anytime, anywhere."

For those seeking guidance on career development, financial navigation, or personal growth, this episode is a treasure trove of practical insights and motivational lessons.

Transcript

[Jason Tardick]

Foreign welcome back to another episode of Trading Secrets. I'm your host, Jason Tardick and welcome to the pre market trading segment where I'm gonna tell you a little bit about what you can expect today from our guest and a little update from my personal life. Let's just go right to the update. I am sitting here in an RV, a 24 foot RV, RV going cross country from Nashville, Tennessee to New York. As you guys know, I got my baby boy, Teddy the beauty himself. I rescued him from Wags and Walks. We'll do a full episode on that. But I had a prior commitment in New York City to speak at TikTok headquarters. So I got the boy with me. Me and Teddy are going to check out the city, see if it's a fit for him or not. You know what I mean? We'll see a little foreshadowing and John Gurney and I are going cross country now. Stay tuned to recap. We'll talk more about that and of course we will recap this episode, which is what I'm so we have Dylan Efrenon. Dylan just won Traders. Now what's interesting is you're gonna hear Dylan on a lot of podcasts right now because he just won. But the stuff you're gonna hear today is stuff you're not gonna hear on any of the podcasts. We get into the specifics of what his career track was like behind the camera producing, how much are they making, what it was like being on set with Bradley Cooper and many others. The stories are incredible. The numbers are shared. And let me also tell you about this episode, sitting on it for a little bit. So we recorded this episode probably over a year ago and that's what we do with this podcast. We talk about this in recap. We'll do evergreen episodes and then we'll do some episodes that are very timely to something that's happening immediately. And so this one we are waiting for the right time. It is, I'm telling you that the wisdom he drops in this podcast are just phenomenal. And then in the recap, you're going to hear a little bit more about, you know, just some of the behind the scenes and things that I think you'll look forward to. We're, you know, we're calling it the Recap Safe space now. But that's a little update for my personal life. I am doing this from the RV and we got to get back on the road and Teddy's ready to go. So I am going to cut this intro short, please. As always, remember to give us five stars. And please subscribe to the podcast. When you hit that, it helps a lot. And remember, you can watch this full episode on YouTube. But enough of that. Let's ring in the bell with the one, the only, Dylan Efron. Welcome back to another episode of Trading Secrets. Today we are joined by producer, host, social media influencer and outdoors enthusiast, Dylan Efron. Yes, many of you may know Dylan as being the brother of Zach. But what you may not know is that Dylan has established a career unbelievably for himself in Hollywood in all different directions. In a lot of directions. On the other side of the camera, Dylan has been part of film crews on movies such as A Star is Born, Ready Player One, Unforgettable, American Sniper. It's one of my favorites, Get Hard, Jersey Boys, and much more. In addition to his behind the scenes crew work, Dylan has started working as a producer on various projects, including his most recent venture with his brother on the hit Netflix series Down to Earth. Today we are gonna discuss what life is behind the camera, all the different avenues that he's explored, and if something that sounds really cool for you at home, how you can actually get into it, and then also how Dylan has taken his outdoor passion and also turned it into a little bit of a lucrative opportunity through social media. Dylan, thank you so much for being here. We are excited to have you.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah, thanks for having me.

[Jason Tardick]

And not only do we have Dylan, we have Bowie here, right?

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah, Bowie, my dog Bowie is.

[Jason Tardick]

And it's a mixed rescue, right?

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah, he's a little German shepherd mutt that I rescued maybe about two years ago.

[Jason Tardick]

I love it. And do you bring Bowie everywhere with you?

[Dylan Efron]

I have to, yeah. Wow. So I come with a plus one everywhere in my shadow.

[Jason Tardick]

It's so cool. Do you have to have Bowie? We registered as a service dog.

[Dylan Efron]

No, I just. I do it and then ask for forgiveness, if that makes sense. It's shocking how many places just let my dog come in. It's like I'll go to a restaurant. I used to tie him up outside. And then I just started taking him in. Everyone's like, oh, he's so cute. So it's like, yeah, I ask. I don't ask permission anymore.

[Jason Tardick]

I love it. I love it. That's good stuff. Okay, let's get your career track is wild. Even when I just read that resume, the stuff you're doing, from hosting to social media to working behind the scenes of all those films, is this what you expected out of your career?

[Dylan Efron]

No way. What did you expect when I was first leaving college, I was going to go into economics, and I, like, had a job lined up to go to Sacramento and wear a suit every day and show up to work.

[Jason Tardick]

What was the job? What was it?

[Dylan Efron]

I don't even remember at this point. It was just like. It would have been probably like, data analysis or something in Sacramento. I just remember I saw all the photos. Everyone's in suits and stuff. Economics was the only thing in school that I actually really liked. So I was like, I want to do this and gotcha. And, yeah, I was so close to doing that. And then the place I interned at Warner Brothers was like, if you want to work here, you got a spot. So I did a 180, got into the film industry, was still doing the stuff I learned in school, but in a whole different field than I expected.

[Jason Tardick]

Gotcha. With your brother being Zach, did you ever think about, like, I'll take acting as a career too? Or was that never in your career trajectory?

[Dylan Efron]

No. Yeah. So acting was so far from me. Zach was just an actor. Like, it was so clear. He was in plays, he loved attention. I was like, I was so shy. I was so shy. I wanted to play every sport possible. Like, I was just outside all day with my friends where he shined in that world. I was like the completely opposite, so I never wanted to step on that. I don't know, I was stoked for him that he was an actor, but it wasn't for me.

[Jason Tardick]

Yeah, you guys had. It sounds like you guys had your lanes. You knew what you wanted. You needed his strengths. You knew your strengths, and you took the lane that was best for you.

[Dylan Efron]

Yes. And that's evolved. As I've gotten older, I've gotten more comfortable with the camera and stuff. But it was. I think that's why I naturally gravitated to being behind the camera, because I was still in the industry, but I was like, I don't have that charisma and that maybe need for attention. I was never like that. So I was like, I'm happy behind the camera. I can control so many aspects of what shows up on screen from behind. So that always appealed to me.

[Jason Tardick]

That's cool. So. But in general, like, even to this day, if you are. Because now you're starting to do some hosting stuff and your social media presence is awesome. Do you. When you're in front of the camera, does that still feel like a little bit of sense of it's just not a comfortable place for you, but you do it anyway?

[Dylan Efron]

I think I Think I really took on this perspective of, like, maybe leaning into things that make me uncomfortable. And in life in general. I think it's so easy. That was almost me growing up as a person. I was so young to be like, look, I'm not good at that, so I'm gonna stay away from it. Instead, as I've gotten older, everything that makes me uncomfortable, I realized maybe there's something there and if I push into it, I'll change for the better. So I think that was more like me as a kid not knowing myself, and I would see something that was scary or daunting and run from it.

[Jason Tardick]

I think that's a great piece of advice for, like, anybody, no matter where you are at home in life. I want to ask a little bit about this because being someone that doesn't love being in front of the camera, there could be like a little bit of a stage fright scenario. I think people aren't probably back home listening to this every day, posed with the opportunity to be in front of a big camera, but they have performance issues or stage fright issues when it comes to interviews or being in big conference room meetings or giving a sales pitch, or even some people that are like, going on a date. So someone that like, like yourself, who kind of likes being behind the scenes when you are in front of it, when you are on stage, do you have like one, you know, Dillard trading secret, that piece of advice, someone could like, emulate that you've been able to emulate not being comfortable in that position.

[Dylan Efron]

I'd say my one piece of advice is that I'm not trying to be anyone that I'm not. So I think you see people who are so naturally talented, like my brother, he's on screen, he's just thriving. So it's easy to want to emulate his big presence and all that stuff when really that's not who I am and that's not who I'm trying to be. So I think always just tying it back to, like, be happy with who you are and that if you're genuine, people might be interested. And so whenever I get nervous that I'm like, maybe I'm not qualified to talk here. It's not my job to be qualified. I'm like, I'm myself. So when I get up there, I'm just like, I'm not being anyone but myself. If I stutter, if I say something stupid, that's who I am.

[Jason Tardick]

That's who you are. Take it or leave it. And especially in a world, especially with social media, and everything. I think so many people, they see the other post, they see what's working for someone else. So they're like, I'm just gonna emulate it. And when you're emulating it, you can't be the best version of you. And what's funny is now more than ever, you're seeing the people that, like, are maybe nervous on camera or they do stutter over their words, whatever, and that is becoming more relatable. And that relatability is creating vulnerability. And then they're actually performing better than the people are trying to do. All the, like, I want to be like him type vibe, I think.

[Dylan Efron]

I think once I started accepting that my content that, like, I would always try to hit these, like, one line, like, cue card type, like, hit beats and stuff. I'm like, I can't do it. So once I started just playing all, like, the bloopers and just people seeing how stupid I am, like, that's what people liked. I was like, oh, this is great.

[Jason Tardick]

I love that honesty. Okay, let's talk about working behind the camera. Some of these movies are just huge, right? Like A Star Is Born, I'm instantly thinking, Lady Gaga, Ready Player Born. Unforgettable. Chips. I mentioned the account in American Sniper, how if someone says, like, I don't really love what I'm doing. The idea of getting into a place where I'm behind the scenes and I could work on sets like this. How does someone break into this industry?

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah, the. I think the. The biggest thing for me was I decided to intern when I was in college, and that paved the way for everything. So I just. It's. It's so hard because everyone's in different situations. But for me, I met as an intern, I was just friends of friends and everything like that in a field that I wasn't even interested in. But I took that opportunity, and that led to. When college was finished up, I got to work for him full time. And I think it could be any industry, but, like, finding someone that cares about you. Like, I really looked at my boss. Like, I. He'll laugh if he hears this. But, like, I called him dad a few times. Like, it was like, that kind of relationship. Like, I would. I would hang up the phone and say, like, oh, thanks, Dad. I might have even said, love you a few times.

[Jason Tardick]

Like.

[Dylan Efron]

Like, I really looked at him as my dad, and I really wanted to, like, please him. I wanted to do my best for him. So I. He took me under his wing, and that was really what happened. I could have Just been working this 9 to 5 in a desk job, locked away doing all this grunt work. But instead this. My boss, Ravi, he just wanted to show me everything and wanted me to be there for everything. He wanted me to be in Video village when they're giving notes, he was asking me for notes and it was just that ability to be so inclusive at such a young age. So I really give it all to him. It's like somehow I lucked into meeting someone that wanted to show me the way. And I think if you have a boss that isn't like that, then maybe look for a different job.

[Jason Tardick]

That is a hell of a piece of advice. I know there's a lot of people out there that do have bosses like that and there's just some of these bosses these days are just so self absorbed with their results and then they'll poach your ideas, not give you credit for it. If you don't have someone that's looking out for you, it's going to be tough to find your way. 2025 is on its way. Are you feeling uncertain maybe about what's next in your life? Well, you're not alone. Life can be overwhelming. Big decisions, maybe changing relationships, maybe different financial moves. But I do have a trading secret for you. It's called Strawberry. Strawberry ME will assess your needs and then they'll connect you with the perfect coach for you so you can start communicating as little as four hours. It's certified professional coaching done securely online. It's more convenient and much more affordable than traditional coaching. So if you're feeling stuck, you're trying to figure out what is next, just visit Strawberry ME slash Trading Secrets. That's Strawberry Berry Me slash Trading Secrets. And take charge of your future with the help of a certified coach. Now there's a special offer for Trading Secrets listeners. You're going to get 20 off your first month membership at Strawberry Me/ tradingsecrets. One thing I want to talk about finding your way Economics major. I've been on some of these sets and you see the complication between the audio and the, the, the cameras in the moving. It seems so, so wildly technical. And I was surprised that your degree wasn't in film. We talked a little bit before. I just had clarification. How much education does someone need on like the audio or the camera work before they could ever be qualified for a job like this without studying it at school?

[Dylan Efron]

Oh, I think more than ever it's just hands on experience. If you get into the film industry like you don't need A college degree if you can find someone like my boss to take you under their wing. It's like the people that get started in the film industry early, they're learning so much in the field. If you start as a PA and you meet someone in stunts, it's like if a stunt guy takes you under your wing, you can be in the union by the time you're 20 and just be like working on huge feature films and stunts. And there's so many different departments, but all of it is that hands on experience. You can go to film school for four years and not learn anything when it comes to your first movie.

[Jason Tardick]

And I think that has to do with the film acting world, et cetera. But I think that has to do with almost every industry right now. I don't think you could be a doctor, but there are certain industries you just need. One thing I'm curious about, which I'm actually googling right now is you mentioned union. One thing we always hear about is what the big actors are paid. You see, Rock is paid. Dwayne Johnson made this much on this movie. How, what's like earning potential for the people behind the scenes. And you mentioned union. Like how does that exactly work for people that have no idea about the industry?

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah, there's a lot of unions that protect these workers and there's a lot of money behind the camera.

[Jason Tardick]

Are there really.

[Dylan Efron]

There's a lot. You can make really good money in transpo. Like there's so many different units of, of of these films and they're. It's a movie takes three months to film. So it's like you're making a really good rate. There's so many cool jobs. Like I, this was like part of my job. I would look at everybody's rates because I would have to sign all these deal memos and stuff. So I'm like, I'm looking at what the boom op makes and it was like they're making, I don't know at the time it was like 70 bucks an hour or something like that. Operate the boom. And I'm like, dude, isn't this the coolest job ever? Like you just get yoked holding this thing. You're like in the scene with the like the rock or whatever, they're right here and you're just putting this thing like. I was like, that's the coolest job ever. But there's a lot of money behind the camera, especially once you get to those big movies.

[Jason Tardick]

So the more technical I assume the more you're going to get Paid within you. You said you have this, like, list of all these different roles, which are, like, the most technical and which are getting paid the most behind the camera?

[Dylan Efron]

Oh, the. The DP makes a ton of money.

[Jason Tardick]

And for someone, most people are going to hear that, and they're going to hear dp.

[Dylan Efron]

So explain director of photography. Yeah, so they make a lot of money justly because they' like, so important. A director's. Most directors have a great vision, but they can't execute what the actual look is. And that's where the DP is just controlling the film. So. So they make a lot of money.

[Jason Tardick]

I love it. So you talked a little bit about, like, the dp, the photography, and. And how much did you say, like, DP would make around, like, if you had a guess?

[Dylan Efron]

I've seen them make, like, 25k a week.

[Jason Tardick]

25K a week.

[Dylan Efron]

Like, you can make a lot of money.

[Jason Tardick]

And deep. You're just doing photography behind the scenes, not photography.

[Dylan Efron]

Like, you're. You're the main person, like, controlling the look of the film. So you might not be operating the A cam, but you have your team under you. The A cam, B cam, C cam, whatever it is, and you're controlling everything. You're setting up the shots. You're doing, like, all right, we need a tight, we need a wide. We need a cool, like, one shot. Like, they're really creating this movie with. With the director.

[Jason Tardick]

Got it. So, I mean, that's a pretty important job. That's how little I know about this industry. I'm like, oh, what, are they taking photos?

[Dylan Efron]

Go ahead and see this. So these are all unionized jobs. So really, every department makes a lot. Like, I work stun still. Like, I'll do it in the background sometimes and I'll hop on a film, and it's just like, I can make a thousand bucks in a day. It's, like, interesting. They all have unions and they all have, like, they value your time and your. So it's nice. Yeah, there's a lot of money in it.

[Jason Tardick]

Okay. I'm being like. I'm being the voice for you here because I just don't know a lot about the industry. You say I work in stunts. What does that mean exactly?

[Dylan Efron]

I don't do it full time. Like, if there's a movie happening and, like, a stunt coordinator is one of my good friends. So if there's a show happening, they film in, like, Manhattan Beach Studios, and I'll hop in and work a week of stunts a day. So like, last year, I probably worked like, 25.

[Jason Tardick]

Okay. This is the way my little finance brain is breaking this down. You're working stunts. But I always thought we talked a little bit about you being behind the camera. You're not, like, a stunt actor, are you?

[Dylan Efron]

This. Yeah. This time I actually had a talking. Like, my boss kind of threw me into the fire. He's just like, come in shaved or something like that. All right? And he's like, you're talking today. And I just laughed, and I was like. He's like, no, you're. You're like. You have a line. And I had to say some stupid line, but it's like, it was great because you're just, like, a hired worker. It's not like I was paid to act or whatever. I just showed up, did my best. And.

[Jason Tardick]

And did you have to do, like, a stunt? I'm imagining, like, you get, like, thrown off a bridge. Like, did you have to do anything like that?

[Dylan Efron]

I'm not that good at stunts. Like, some of the people that I work with are so good. Like, I. I normally am like, the guy who, like, pulls a gun and just gets blown up or, like, running down the hall, and I die. Like, so most. Most of the times, I just end up dying. About 51 line.

[Jason Tardick]

You die for a thousand bucks a day. Not terrible.

[Dylan Efron]

It's really fun. And I think the best parts of stunts are, like, the people I don't know. You find your community. Like, every single person I've worked with in stunts is, like, same as me. They just love nature. They're out on their bikes every weekend. They're like. So when I go there, I'm just meeting friends left and right. So I do it mostly just because I like that community. They're fun.

[Jason Tardick]

That's really cool. The people that are like the Tom Bradys or the Michael Jordans of the stunt world, like, the best of the best. What are the. Like, how much do they get paid per day when they do a set or shoot?

[Dylan Efron]

I think when you're really good at stunts, the pathway is that you become, like, a stunt coordinator. So because stunts, you get beat up, so you don't want to do it your whole life, really. Some people do, but a lot of the best ones will then turn on to stunt coordinating. So they're actually coordinating all the stunts. They know what looks good. They can hire their people under. Underneath them. And then if they're really good at stunt coordinating, they can get into, like, second unit directing or directing. Okay. There are lifelong stunt guys, but if you're 60. It's. It, it's a dangerous job to be doing. So I think everybody tries to move out of it and turn into a stunt coordinator or something like that.

[Jason Tardick]

And do stunt coordinators get paid similar to dp?

[Dylan Efron]

No, not as much, no. But you can still. There's. You can make, you can make a lot of money and make a good living doing that. Yeah. Think of that like I'm a day player stunt and I'm making a thousand dollars a day. Like if you're working on a film full time at a higher capacity, I don't know how much it would be, but you could live comfortable. Comfortable.

[Jason Tardick]

Actually. Keep it in. We already said you got to own it. All right, keep it in. All right. What now? What about behind the scenes? What are some of the things you've done from like, I know the, all the different moving parts of what's happening behind the scenes. What was your role in some of these movies behind the scenes?

[Dylan Efron]

Most of. Most of those were from like, feels like a different life at this point. But all those big feature films. I was really kind of a production coordinator is what my actual title was. But I was really a producer's assistant too. Like, I was just my producer's right hand man. And most of my work would come before the film was released. So I would make like the preliminary schedules, the preliminary budgets. I'd work with the budgeting team. I would hire key crew with my boss. So it was like I was doing all their contracts and negotiating with the agents. So we're really assembling the movie before it actually shoots. So then once it, once the project would start shooting, my boss would go on as a producer and I would just be there with him. And we would still be tracking the money, making sure we're on budget, making sure the schedule is going according to plan. Like it was, it was kind of that role, if that makes sense.

[Jason Tardick]

Okay, gotcha. And I know you said it seems like a little bit of a lifetime ago because there's other things we're gonna transition to for sure, but with some of these movies, there are some like really big, big actors in them. At any point do you. Are you working and working and hustling and you're looking like, oh my God, that's Lady Gaga. Or is the crew like that? Or is everyone trained to just be like, we're all people here, Just do your job?

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah, I think, I think people are. We'll let them be for sure. Like, it's not, they're not trying to get autographs if they're working on a movie. Yeah. So people are pretty good at controlling their stardom. But, yeah, it would happen, for sure. Like, and sometimes it's like a small side character. Like, I was working on Star Is Born. All of a sudden Dave Chappelle showed up.

[Jason Tardick]

And, like, that's so cool.

[Dylan Efron]

So he's just, like, outside smoking cigarettes, and we're all, like, in the same thing outside, crafty. I'm just, like, asking him questions. It was like, so little. Things like that are pretty cool, but that's cool.

[Jason Tardick]

I was gonna ask you. So other than the Dave Chappelle, which is a great story, do you have, like, a funny story about an interaction of working on a show with someone that is, like, memorable to you?

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah. So Bradley Cooper I really liked on A Star Is Born. What I liked most about him is he really valued everyone's input. If we were in a room right now, he would literally look at you and say, like, what do you think about this scene? And you'd say, what you think? Go to the next person. Like, look you in the eye. And he would get everybody's advice, which I thought was so interesting. And he's just taking in everyone's thoughts. Sometimes you look at me, I'd be like, oh, God, what do I say here? But I think it was cool that he valued everyone's opinions. He knew it was a group effort to make this movie.

[Jason Tardick]

That's brilliant. The people that are the best at what they do know how to take feedback and I think, know how to filter what's good feedback and what's not. And that's really, really cool to hear.

[Dylan Efron]

And then Dax Shepard was super memorable because he would always just give me shit. He's like, he's a funny guy. He's like. So I don't know. I'd always just have my head down, minding my business. The next thing, I'm like the butt of a joke. But it was always, like, kind and stuff like that. He's just got, like, a really funny sense of humor and, like, so working with him was always just fun. A lot of laughs and stuff like that.

[Jason Tardick]

That is really cool. Great stories, Hawk. I'm going to ask Dylan about some of the scripts he's written. Do you have any questions behind the scenes? Everybody, this is Hawk. Kurt the Hawk Jameson, a best friend. So, Dylan, I do have a question for you. So you mentioned all the different parts of the industry you've been involved, and you talked about starting as an intern and how important it is to Find mentors and people taking you under your wing. If you wanted to pivot in the industry to a different avenue or to a different role within the industry that you've never done before, how would you recommend doing that from a networking perspective? Is it people that you know? Is it conferences? Is it events? Like, what's your take on networking throughout the industry to give yourself the opportunity to do things you've never done before? It's a great question from Hawk Jameson.

[Dylan Efron]

So if you were on a movie, like that's kind of what a PA is. Like you're, you're an assistant on this movie and you're there to, I don't know, like you have a lot of grunt work, you might be getting coffee, whatever it is, but really like your job is, if you want to grow, is to talk to these different departments, like, go make friends with the stunt guys, go make fun friends with the transbone, ask them questions. And like, I remember once I went, I asked my boss if I could go with the transpo people to like Lake Arrowhead and like move some stuff just because I wanted to hang out with them and see what this department was all about. And like, I remember being shocked at how much these transpo guys made for driving every day. It was just like at the time I was like, dude, this is the chillest job ever. Like, you didn't need a college degree. You didn't need anything. You could just start driving at 18, be in the union and like work locally, one movie a year and just like have a house. I was like, this is sick. So, so I think it's really that networking and just like seeing the different departments and asking questions and seeing what appeals to you because yeah, they'll talk about it. Like that's, I don't, I don't really know. I think everyone's open to sharing what they've learned and stuff like that.

[Jason Tardick]

So that was my follow up question. How open is that industry? Like, is it very welcoming and like sharing or is it very like tight knit? And it's very, very difficult to like break into from a various metric perspective. And I want to add on to that too because like, okay, so PAs, they're like in the bachelor world, they're called handlers, right? So they would, they would literally just walk you to room to room. If you needed like a bite to eat, they would get you a bite to eat. But they got to see and network with everyone. Totally people at the top. So I think to even that question, someone's at home right now. Hawk says, you know what side gig I don't care that I'm not going to make anything because they're not paid well, they're not payable. But how do you get even that job? That's like, like, you know, literally the bottom of the totem pole. Where does someone go to get a job like that?

[Dylan Efron]

It must be connections. Like I wish I could say, but like I'm trying to even think on down to Earth, like, so your DMs. So you're gonna get like 500 DMs. Yeah, I think that's honestly the way it's. I feel like it's mostly through a friend. Like all of a sudden you'll get an email being like, hey, if down to Earth 3 happens, like, will you look at my cousin's daughter? Whatever it is. And so you get little resumes here and there, but I think you have to just put feelers out like that. So I honestly don't know. It's been so long since I was in that situation. So there we go.

[Jason Tardick]

Do you have any other questions? I appreciate the context immensely.

[Dylan Efron]

Thank you again. I love it.

[Jason Tardick]

Do you have any more questions? Hawk, you come on in. Okay, I did. I'll bombard you for sure. While Hawk was asking, I did actually Google this PA jobs in la. And there are certain firms out there, like recruiting firms, it looks like, that are responsible for finding PAs. And so if you do Google, I think you can find the right recruiting company out there that'll get you. This one actually says compensation is 200. Yeah, $200 is a daily rate for a 12 hour day.

[Dylan Efron]

And you're probably not going to be on a big feature film your first time. So you're going to have to take some of these little music video gigs or little small time shorts that are college students. You're going to have to work at some of those just to get. Get your feet in the ground.

[Jason Tardick]

Exactly. But listen, that is the question we get most as we hear these cool things. How do I get into it? I think the point is, is just like you said about getting internships, like you have to be willing to put in that grit. It might be 200 bucks a day, but one introduction in that time could change the entire trajectory of your career.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah.

[Jason Tardick]

All right, let's get into. You've written scripts for various projects. You've kind of done just your stunt guy, your film guy, Penns guy, and now another thing you do is write. So. So you've written scripts for various projects, one of which sold to The Lifetime channel. Are you allowed contractually to say which one that was?

[Dylan Efron]

It never came out.

[Jason Tardick]

It never came out. Okay, what was it about? Give us, like, a quick summary.

[Dylan Efron]

Did you. There was a movie. The reason it didn't come out was the same movie was written, essentially, and it had, like, star power on it. It was that love triangle that happened in space.

[Jason Tardick]

Okay, Yeah, I must have missed that one. You're a big movie guy. Anybody see love triangle in space out there?

[Dylan Efron]

A pale blue dot or something like that?

[Jason Tardick]

Okay, got it. And so it was a similar. It was 2.

[Dylan Efron]

Close. Very similar to that.

[Jason Tardick]

Yeah, got it. Okay. So then. All right. When. When somebody. But they did buy it.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah, so. So I guess this is kind of cool. So I was probably working at that studio job for about five years, and I realized that I wasn't really happy. I would like. I wanted to be a triathlete. I wanted to be outside. I was like, I was tired of being in a 9 to 5. So I took it upon myself to just look at other opportunities. So while I'm working there, I'm going home and I'm writing scripts, and I'm like, I just fell in love with the ability to create a new world and take people there when they read my script. They could. All of a sudden, I like, by reading something I wrote, I built this world that someone else got to see. And then they would give notes and stuff. It was just a really, like, really fun escape for me. So I started writing scripts as maybe an avenue to leave my job. And then once I actually wrote a good script, it started to get some momentum. And then Lifetime Channel hired me to write a script. So from my perspective, I was five years into this job. I wasn't that happy with this trajectory. And I could make the same amount of money in a year of working at Warner Brothers in this one script that's going to take me two months to write. If.

[Jason Tardick]

If it gets bought.

[Dylan Efron]

No, because they hired me. So it was like, hey, we want you to write the script. What's. I was like, how much am I going to get paid? And it was about equal to what I would make in a year at Warner Brothers. So I was like, okay, if I take this opportunity, It'll take me two, three months to write this script. I'll have 10 months of free time that I could work on being a pro triathlete, that I can work on other stuff. So I was just like, once I had this out, I was like, okay, I'm gonna jump on this opportunity.

[Jason Tardick]

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[Dylan Efron]

Yeah. And it was like I got paid like maybe 50% for signing the deal, then 25% on my first draft and then I'll get paid like the last 20. I don't know how many percentages I just did, but the last 25 on my final draft. So like it's a. It's a stage process like that.

[Jason Tardick]

Got it. And that's exactly so. I have, I had a book that came out. It's the same exact thing. You get the advance and then you get the day. You sign it, you get a percentage. The day they accept the tran. The transcript, you get percentage. When it's published, you get percentage. So it's the exact same thing. On average. What would you say for when you're writing a script like that? How many pages is it?

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah, the easiest way to look at it is like a minute, A minute per page. So if a movie is an hour and a half, that's going to be 90 pages. Got it. So most scripts are around like 100 to 120 for two hour movie. It's 120 pages, so.

[Jason Tardick]

And you're writing, like, you're literally writing characters. Jason would say this, Dylan would say. And you're doing all that?

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah.

[Jason Tardick]

By yourself? No one else?

[Dylan Efron]

No. And like, on that one, I ended up hiring a buddy to, like, polish it for me. But, yeah, it's a fun. And the best part about screenwriting is, let's say you tried to go from A to B and you thought this was going to be the right path, but it wasn't. It's not like you're writing a book and have to delete like 10,000 words that you wrote. It's like you're just deleting a little bit. It's not. It's not. It's not the end of the world when you have to do revisions on a script.

[Jason Tardick]

Got it. When you. When someone is writing a script for like a huge show, like, let's go to some of the shows you worked on. Right. Like A Star Is Born. The person that wrote that script, are they then getting paid some type of royalty or percentage because this became as big as it was?

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah, I think so. I. And that's the whole, like, I never got into the. It's called, like, the Writers Guild.

[Jason Tardick]

Yes.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah. So I never actually got into that.

[Jason Tardick]

Okay.

[Dylan Efron]

But if you do get into the Writers Guild and you have a few screenplays you sold or whatever, and, like, you're really going into this world, you're protected, you get insurance, you get royalties, you get all that stuff. So again, that's another unionized job in the film industry.

[Jason Tardick]

Okay. Of the three things so far we've talked about behind the scenes writing and then doing, like, stunt work and being in front of the camera a little bit, which one of those three do you have the most desire to pursue? When you look down the road right.

[Dylan Efron]

Now, those are all kind of behind me. Yeah. So it's. It's. I think it's more like I want to keep producing and hosting shows, like travel. Travel shows and that kind of thing. So I'd say it's mostly hosting, you know.

[Jason Tardick]

Okay, so mostly hosting, but the next move of yours wasn't producing. Right. And that's where down to Earth came in.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah.

[Jason Tardick]

Okay, tell everyone a little bit about down to Earth and how your production role came into process real quick.

[Dylan Efron]

I did want to say, like, probably the. The one thing I kind of glossed over it, but I would say the biggest advice, the biggest thing that I did that was cool and all of this was taking the initiative to write behind the scenes when I was working a 9 to 5. Like, I didn't want to just quit my job and then have three months to write something and try to sell it. Like, I really waited until I was writing and grinding in the background, trying to get some other opportunity. And then once that opportunity came, I left. But I think that was a really important moment for me because I was on this trajectory of a 9 to 5 the rest of my life. I was making like 70k a year. And that, that moment when I left, I still look as one of the biggest decisions of my life because it was just this studio, safe, living life that could have been 40 all of a sudden when I, when I blinked. And then I still to this day look at that 70k as like my benchmarker. It's like right now I left that life of Studio 9 to 5 life, that comfortable life that I would be making 70K. As long as I can make 70K. And what I do now, it's worth it because it's like, I love my life. I love how much I get to enjoy this like dysfunctional travel life that I've created. And if I can make 70k, I'm stoked. So it's like, I think, I think that moment was just such a big moment for me and it only happened because I had the desire to like find an out. So writing was that out for me, I guess.

[Jason Tardick]

And when you. So when you're finding that out, because I think a lot of people listening to this, this are stuck in a 9 to 5. They don't know how to find the out. How did you identify what the out was? How did you know it was like, when did you say it's going to be writing? And writing is not a hobby or writing is a hobby. But Robbie, writing could be a profession too. Like, how'd you identify that?

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah, gosh, it's interesting because I think I always wanted to. There's so many lessons that I've learned that I don't. I like, I'm remembering now that I've learned, but it's like, I think it was really important to me to have a. A title to who I am, if that makes sense. So like, I wanted to be a producer and then that was what it was going to be. Who I am, like, that defines me. So I was always looking for that. I wanted to be a producer. I'm like, oh, well, maybe I want to be a writer. I was like, a writer would be awesome because Then I can work wherever I want. And then I wanted to be a triathlete. And I always, I think I really wanted just, I was trying to put a hat on myself to, like, box me in. And like, I thought that would define who I am. And I think what I learned through that process was if I just do what I'm passionate about. I was passionate about riding, I was passionate about triathlon, I was passionate about the outdoors. Like, leaning into those passions and who I am were all opportunities. The more I stopped trying to box myself in and like, build who I am around my career and just lean into who I am. And then that was when I really discovered, like, my brand, who, what I stand for and all that stuff.

[Jason Tardick]

Yeah, well, I think society teaches us to, like, well, what do you want to be when you grow up? And what are you going to study to be that and put that hat on and put you in the box and wrap that box up with a bow and go have a great life. And I think the biggest takeaway I'm taking from you is like, when you pursue your passions in all different directions, not in the system or box that life tells you to put it in, you have no idea what, like, monetary options or monetization options come from it. I see a lot of your outdoor stuff. I've also seen a lot of the stuff and I know, like, talking to evidence stuff with aspiration. Right. So you have an aspiration bank who is, who has a very solid common ground and mission to the things you like. And then there's a company out there that sees that this guy is what our mission is. Let's pay and work together. That just comes from an opportunity of you being yourself and pursuing your own, your own passion. So, yeah, yeah, I think there's, there's a lot to take away from that.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah, I think again, like, I. I was trying so hard to be a professional triathlete. I was going down that road because I was like, that's. That's who I am. I wasn't happy. I was like, I was skinny. I was like, not necessarily healthy. And then in the background, I was always posting all the stuff that I love to do. It was like, I was just rock climbing and like, with friends doing stupid stuff in rivers and like traveling. So I would just like, could see it on social media. I was like, I would finish an Ironman at my time, at my age, I was like, this is the best thing I've ever done. I just did an Ironman. I got second in my age division. And posting about it and it's like no one cares. I was like, why do I care so much? What am I trying to prove by doing this Ironman? And then it's like a photo of me in Nepal all of a sudden is doing twice as good and I'm like, people, like, what is authentic to me? Like, why am I trying to force myself into being a writer, force myself into being a triathlete when I can just be myself and there's going to be opportunities that way.

[Jason Tardick]

So you noticed that the things that you were doing in posting because you felt like people would be impressed or like it, that wasn't resonating with people as much as posting the things you truly just love.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah, because I was trying to prove myself. I think I was so desperately like trying to prove I was good enough. Like I wanted to be a pro, like a pro in something. I wanted to feel qualified to do this. When really like once I stopped chasing that and looked at what am I actually passionate about? I'm passionate about the environment, about living outside and like enjoying your life and stuff. Once I really started learning new things, that's one of the biggest things I preach is like not being afraid of trying new things. And like, I think once I started like learn leaning into that instead of trying to fit myself in the box, that's when my brand really kind of took hold and I realized who I am as a person and I got a lot of confidence from that.

[Jason Tardick]

That's strong insight. I think it's strong insight for a lot of people looking for career direction. One thing I can't pass over triathletes. You mentioned this a couple times. Like I wanted to be triathletes. Can you make money as a triathlete?

[Dylan Efron]

That's one of the reasons I stopped.

[Jason Tardick]

Was like, aren't you usually paying more money than getting paid?

[Dylan Efron]

And you. So the better I got at triathlon, the worse I got at everything else. Like my rock climbing was at an all time low. Got really good at swimming, biking and running. Everything else struggled.

[Jason Tardick]

But how would the triathlete make money?

[Dylan Efron]

By winning races.

[Jason Tardick]

And what do they win?

[Dylan Efron]

How much if you win? You might 25 to 10k if you like win a big race. So you're making it through that and through sponsors, but you're putting in how.

[Jason Tardick]

Many hours of work to win that 25k?

[Dylan Efron]

Oh, it was crazy. You're running probably 25 to 30 hours a week. You're biking equivalent and yeah, it was just all my free time went into cardio.

[Jason Tardick]

Okay. So it's not really like a sustainable. I'm gonna make a living off this.

[Dylan Efron]

And I think that realizing that, that was good for me.

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[Dylan Efron]

Yeah, I think it's that move from I was studio, so I was getting paid weekly. What does that mean, like a studio job? Like I was working at Warner Brothers.

[Jason Tardick]

Okay.

[Dylan Efron]

So it was more that 9 to 5 structure. And then once I left, I went to freelance. Okay, so freelance does make more money. It's just you have to deal with that uncertainty of your next paycheck because.

[Jason Tardick]

Once that show's done producing, you're done.

[Dylan Efron]

Getting paid for sure. So you work project to project. And a lot of the film industry is that way too. Like you work on A Star Is Born, but then once that movie's done, you're done. Yeah. What's my next movie? So you make more money through freelance, but it's also a lot. It can be. Yeah, it can be a mind trip for a lot of people because you just don't have that certainty of your next project.

[Jason Tardick]

How many hours when you're producing a show like down to Earth, are you working in a week?

[Dylan Efron]

That, that you're kind of working just.

[Jason Tardick]

Whenever it comes out?

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah. Wait, so what was your question?

[Jason Tardick]

Like, I'm really curious about the industry, just the profession of being a producer, what the hours, like, look like.

[Dylan Efron]

So I got paid like a flat fee on that. So I'm not necessarily hourly, but like the sound mixer, he's hourly. So for me it's just, I'm available at 24 7. I was like.

[Jason Tardick]

And were you working like that?

[Dylan Efron]

You're out there for a goal, so it's fun. It's like I wanted to. You want to do your best when you're there, it's three months of your life and you're in a foreign country. So it's like, what else am I going to do besides try to make this project the best best it's going to be?

[Jason Tardick]

Yeah. And being a project like that where traveling the world and learning about sustainable living methods, it's a lot different than my experience in reality tv. But those producers I can at least speak to, you know, they're traveling with us. They were working 24 7. Yeah, they were up at 4:00am they went to bed at midnight. Maybe like they. It was literally 20 hour days. They were working easy.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah, I have. And that's. I think why, why it's appealing is it's just three months of your life, whatever it is, but you're fully dedicated to it. I think that's a really fun thing to be a part of.

[Jason Tardick]

Amazing. You've said from producing you've transitioned into hosting. I know you have your YouTube channel, which seems like an amazing way to share everything that you're doing across the world with your travels and stuff. What type of hosting opportunities have you gotten? What are you doing to dial that in?

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah, so that's kind of my most recent thing is really getting into more travel, hosting longer formats that series. I think my main goal is still to have a show that I've hosted on like a major streaming platform. But everything in my career, I'm not just gonna wait for that opportunity to come. So using sponsors, I've learned to just, I want to go do this trip and I'll make a deck. I'm gonna say I'm gonna go this day. If I can find a sponsor within that time, then I'll make a branded sponsor, post a branded series, whatever it is. But I kind of take the initiative to be like, I know I can make this series. I know how much it's going to cost. I'm just going to do it and hopefully I can get financing for it. So it's not necessarily the way to make the most money. I don't think I have a. I've always had a hard time like maximizing my potential with money because I value experiences so much. So I will take free opportunities to go travel somewhere else. Like I'm leaving for Guyana in two days and I'm probably gonna lose money on this project. But it is a story that was like so powerful to me that I really wanted to tell. So.

[Jason Tardick]

And it's so the story you're gonna tell it, you're gonna be there and then that video you shoot is going to serve as pretty like a resume portfolio, Right?

[Dylan Efron]

Exactly. Yeah. So you do enough of these, eventually something pops. Yeah. And worst case, it's like I'm proud of it. Like I'm proud of what I shot. It's something I can look at and show my kids. And it's like, I think that's really what brings me the most happiness is going and traveling and telling these stories. So it's like, I don't know, I've taken little bits of all these different things the writing was good for voiceover producing has helped me learn how to manage my budget. How can I take filming a series that would normally cost 500k? How can I do this for 10? It's like I've really used all these different skills that I've learned along the way to be able to produce and host and create these shows for really cheap.

[Jason Tardick]

Yeah. I mean your strategy, I think around career management and what you do next is it's definitely art. It's like a mosaic. Right. But there's also like the way I'm interpreting it. It's this free flowing art that has direction, but there's also a lot of method to your madness. Right. So even when you said you were working the 9 to 5 for Warner Bros. Getting paid 6 70K. You knew that you use writing as an outlet, it's like a creative art. But then you turn that into a profession. Didn't leave until that could suffice and pay for what you were making at Warner Brothers. When you do projects like this and everything else, what is the epicenter that's driving a revenue source that allows you to do that? What is your 9 to 5? Is that the social media influencing? Is that the writing projects? Is that what is doing it?

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah, it's probably my social media and working with brands, so creating content with brands. So like Vuori is one of my sponsors. So I'm constantly creating content with them, collaborating with them. If they have something they want to shoot, they trust my portfolio and the work that I've done that I can provide high quality content. So I find sponsors that I align with and that means something to me, like aspiration, like you said. And a lot of times those relationships might be for just like a social post or something. But that money and those relationships can lead to me pursuing these bigger goals, like these series. Got it.

[Jason Tardick]

Okay.

[Dylan Efron]

So like GoPro, I've had a great relationship. They saw that I wanted to go to Guyana and tell this, this cool story. So they're like, hey, we'll throw in some money for you.

[Jason Tardick]

Got it.

[Dylan Efron]

So it's like just chipping away, little things like that.

[Jason Tardick]

Okay, one question I gotta ask, I ask everyone is in social media influencing space. How do you source deals? Like, where do they come from? And then also how do you negotiate them?

[Dylan Efron]

So I, yeah, this is, this is all new to me as well. I'm still learning. That's why I was like when I first walked in, I'm like, I don't know why I'm on this podcast. I'm still learning, learning every day.

[Jason Tardick]

I can't tell you how many people have said that or like, you know, whatever, it's comedian. They don't know anything. They're like, I can't spell finance, what the fuck am I? But then the shit they give. Like, the lessons are unbelievable. So it's not about the textbooks, my career pathways.

[Dylan Efron]

Like a kid with add, I've gone every single way possible. But where was I going with this?

[Jason Tardick]

Just like, how do they negotiate social media? Where did they come from? Where are your.

[Dylan Efron]

One of the biggest things I've, I'm 30. I feel like maybe this is when I finally learned it is. I kind of told you already that I, I, I had really small goals. It was like 70k a year. If I can live a life with these experiences that I love. For 70k, I'm happy. So that was a great goal in my 20s and like I achieved that. But now I also need to start thinking bigger and I need to like, value. So like a lot of these projects, like my mentality has been like, if I create this trip, if I create this experience, brands will want that because like, I know the quality of content I create. I know like that it's a good message about sustainability, whatever it is. Like, I know that if I go and chase something that means a lot to me, that it'll mean a lot to someone else and we can work together. I think now more than ever I've realized I can't do those type of shows all the time. Like I can't go to Guyana and lose money on it all the time. I can maybe do it once or twice a year. I've got to be a little smarter about how much. Even though I know I can do these things for cheap and I've got a system down, like I've got to know my worth and maybe ask for a little bit more money to get these projects and these assets for these companies, whatever it is. And I've also got to really trust a team because I only have so much bandwidth that I can achieve and I have so many projects I want to do and if I hold onto them so tightly and I try to negotiate every deal that I do, it's just not going to happen. I get overwhelmed and then this amazing show idea that I had is just sitting on a shelf. So I've learned probably this year more than ever to hire a management team, trust people that they can, if I have a cool project, trust someone to make a deck and that I'll pay them a, a little bit. But it's like I've. I've got to have a team. People want me to succeed. I think that was like a, that was a big, big realization for me is I think I've had, whether it's trust issues, whatever it is. Like I always just thought it was all on me. I'm like, I have to make it myself and a little bit of a.

[Jason Tardick]

Control, like I do the same thing. It's a, I find it's a little control thing. I'm like, I want to control. I don't know if I trust someone else to do it, but I know I could do it.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah.

[Jason Tardick]

And sometimes you got to just let it go and just let people, people do it for you.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah. I don't know I think I really just like, what I was thinking about was like, I've got Buoy here. Like when I ask people to watch Bui when I'm traveling, it's like, that is so hard for me to do because I. In my head, it's like, I know the burden of a dog for 10 days and what am I gonna have to do to repay that person? And it's like, no, that's not the right way to look at the, at the world. Some people just want to help and like that. Someone might love the opportunity to watch buoy for 10 days. I think that has transitioned into my career as well. I've always just been like, man, I need to prove it to everyone that I can be a host, that I have the chops for this. When some people already think I do and they want to rally behind me and I don't know, I think embracing help has been big for me.

[Jason Tardick]

Does any of that come back to trust stuff? Like it's a trust issue that you think just a little paranoia. I don't know if it's a. Is it trust at all? Does it come down to trust?

[Dylan Efron]

Probably, yeah. It's probably deep seated trust issues.

[Jason Tardick]

Yeah, yeah. No, because I have the same thing.

[Dylan Efron]

That's why.

[Jason Tardick]

That's why I identified that. I'm like, yeah, I just don't know. And then, yeah, I mean, there's a lot that goes with that. I have a bunch of friends that are getting married this year and no, not me yet. But on this podcast we talk about consumer protection and what is one industry that you have to make sure you have the right tools while you're planning weddings. So if you are planning your wedding or you know anyone that is, please look at Zola. Zola is the modern wedding planning for modern couples. No lie. With Zola, you can plan your entire wedding in one convenient place. And not only does Zola have every tool you need to make the planning enjoyable, from making and helping you with each of your vendors, to also helping with the website, to helping with venues and even offering budget tools and guest list managers, they're doing it all. It's wild to think that Zola can do literally A to Z everything as it relates to planning. So start planning and just go to z o l a.com that Zola.com will help you with all wedding planning in this modern day. And we know within that space there's a lot of help needed, guys, where you're gonna get Dylan's trading secret before we do do the. Do the Viewers here, Evan Hawk have any last questions? Hawk's got one. Bring them in, Hawk. Round two. Okay, Dylan, so you talked about stepping outside of your comfort zone, and that's how you grow. What's one thing that maybe you haven't shared today that is existing or manifesting in your conscious or your subconscious that would take you outside of your comfort zone that you want to pursue that you haven't yet done in your career?

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah, that's actually really easy for me. So I think this year I like finally put it out there that I would like to act. And that's again from that 16 year old shy kid that was like, I'm never gonna act. It's come a long way just to like, say the words. I think it would be fun to act. And I've even acted things. I've like, acted in stunts. I've acted on brand sponsors or modeling gigs. Whatever it is. Every time I've done it, I've loved it. But it's also just this, like, stepping stone. I like, I don't know, it was hard to say that I think I would enjoy being an actor. I respect actors so much for what they do and I never wanted to be like, oh, I can just do this to do it. Like, I thought that I. Yeah, I don't know, maybe I just respected the industry. It's just like someone saying, I want to be a professional basketball player. It's like, well, no, you probably can't do that. So. So I think it was hard for me to say, like, yeah, I'd like to get into this. And just saying that was, is the first step, I guess. But now I have to actually put the work in because that's a, it's a big thing to take, take on. So I think that. And then as a joke, I like, I. I really want to start playing the guitar and like singing and stuff. I hope. I like never sing in front of anyone, but if I can get comfortable enough to be at a campfire playing the guitar and sing to myself, I'll be so stoked.

[Jason Tardick]

You were motivated by A Star is Born, weren't you?

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah, maybe. That's awesome. Appreciate you sharing.

[Jason Tardick]

That's a good one. Is it? Is it? But we're gonna get your trading secret in a minute. I'm gonna give you a little heads up, trade secret. Someone, they could only learn from you and your experiences. They can't learn in a textbook, a classroom, from a professor or anything like that. They can only get from you. So that's what we'll have to wrap with, but is part of the reluctancy. I know you had talked about being shy and stuff, but I got to admit, is that a little intimidating knowing that the level your brother is an actor than being like, I want to act or do you? Does that not even phase you?

[Dylan Efron]

No. Yeah, I think that, like, I respect him so much as an actor and I've seen that, like, I'm honest with myself. I don't think I could play a serial killer. Like, I don't think I can act. Like, I'm not going to be the best actor in the world world. But there are a lot of movies that have a similar character to who I am in real life and a role that I could probably play pretty easily.

[Jason Tardick]

Yeah.

[Dylan Efron]

And I'm like, yeah, I'd be stoked to be that Matthew McConaughey and like all the rom coms or like, like, go play a rock climber in a movie. I'm like, yeah, I could play those.

[Jason Tardick]

That's perfect. I do it on Saturday, Sunday.

[Dylan Efron]

So, like, why not? And it's one of those things, just like writing. It was like, I took that initiative to write in the background. And right now, for me, it would be like, okay, I did zero auditions last year. If I do 10 auditions this year, maybe nothing comes of it. But that's 10 auditions. That could have been a life changing thing for me. Maybe next year I'll do 20 auditions, whatever it is. And if it's just small steps, if I can actually do a few of these self tapes and just plant seeds, they might grow.

[Jason Tardick]

That's really. I commend you for it. I love it. I think that's so cool. Will you, as you're kind of going through this journey of taking this next step, will you reach out to him for coaching and advice and like, yeah.

[Dylan Efron]

If I actually get. Get a good gig, I'm calling him for shooting. What do I do? I gotta remember what to say, Zach.

[Jason Tardick]

How do I do? That would be the toughest part, honestly. Hey, you do have one line. You do have one stunt line under your belt. I love it. Well, this has been so informative. Such a. I think the way you've approached your. Your career, there's so many things that people can take from it because we all get so stuck in the nine to five, so stuck in the boxing. You've clearly just smashed the box into pieces. You're like, this is my world. I'm doing it how I want. It's really cool. All right, but we got to End with a trading secret. So, Dylan Efron, what is one trading secret you could give our viewers? The viewers they are the money mafia. The money mafia needs to know your trading secret that they could possibly apply to their life direction, money management, whatever it may be. What can you leave us with?

[Dylan Efron]

I think if, if just tying it back to the stuff we already talked about. Know who you are as a person and I think start there like your values, what, what your passions are because that's who you are and be happy with that because that took me a long time to learn and I, I think it can save you a lot of time in finding what you're, you're, what you do for work. If I take a step back, a lot of the people I look up to most are like some of my rock climber friends and I look at them as professional rock climbers. Like these guys are out living the dream on living in their vans for eight months of the year. They just live the life they want. Their jobs is like they work construction three years of the month. So it's not like someone looks at this guy and is like you're a construction worker. It's like, no, you are a rock climber and you make money this way. And I think we all just try to find who we are through our work work and maybe that's not the best way to do it. Like have your passions, have a really good understanding of who you are and be proud of who you are and maybe your work will come from that, maybe it doesn't. But I think that's the most important thing is like accepting yourself and just be happy to be something like that.

[Jason Tardick]

I think it's good. And I have a trading secret drill down question for you. Okay. And here's where it stems from. From stems from some of my stuff. If I asked if my 26 year old self was asked, do you know yourself? He would have said with 100% confidence, better than anybody in the world. No one knows me better than me. My 34 year old self would say that 26 year old self had no clue who he was. And this 34 year old self is still working to actually identify that and like putting in work to identify that. Still don't have it with complete uncertainty. People of any ages will listen to you say that and I think it's good advice and you said you had to find yourself. What is the number one tip you would give to someone who either stubbornly thinks they know themselves and they truly don't or they they've they're self aware and knowing. Like I'm still working on myself trying to find it. What's the number one tip you'd give someone to try and really identify who they are to a T in a world where there's so many distractions that might have them from knowing themselves?

[Dylan Efron]

Maybe my first thought was therapy and then I started listening to Mark. Yeah, not a bad one.

[Jason Tardick]

That's a good place to start.

[Dylan Efron]

But maybe that advice is bad. Like my advice doesn't apply because you don't, maybe you don't know yourself at 26. So that goes back to trying new things and discovering new things because maybe you don't, at 26 you don't have your community yet. You don't know what your passion is. Is like I didn't rock climb or surf or do any of these things until later on in my life. If I would have asked my 22 year old self who I am, I would have been like, oh, I'm an economics major and stuff like that. So I think maybe, I think just try as many things as you can and keep. You'll know when you hit a passion, you'll know that feeling of like the first time I rock climbed I was like this is something that I want to do. And, and the more times you say yes to things and the more experiences you have, I think that's how you find your passion and then that's ultimately how you find who you are.

[Jason Tardick]

I think that's great because I think your behaviors change once you find your passion. And once you find your passion, behaviors that you thought existed about yourself no longer exist because you're seeing your body just operate a different way. That was a little bit of a trading secret. Drill down. I don't get to do it often but I really appreciate your trading secret so I did it. Dylan, thank you so much for coming on. For anybody that wants more of you, where can they find you and all your work?

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah, just Dylan Efron pretty much. Instagram, YouTube, TikTok, all, all the, all the sites, go check them out.

[Jason Tardick]

Dylan Efron, all social media sites and be on the lookout for Dylan Efron in the acting scene. Then we're gonna have to do a part two and learn all about that industry. Dylan, thank you so much for being on this episode. Trank C Secrets.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah, thanks for having me. It's great.

[Jason Tardick]

Ding, ding, ding. We are closing in the bell to the one, the only Dylan Efron, the Traders champion. And I'll tell you what I learned so Much about the industry behind the camera here. This was educational, inspirational. Loved the transparency. You know, we've been sitting on this one for a little bit and I am so glad we got it out because everyone is seeing Dylan crushing it and did crush it on Traders, but this was a whole different side of them and this stuff was just fascinating. David, what you think?

[David]

Yeah, we've been sitting on it for a while, waiting for the right time. And sometimes good things come to those who wait. How about that little trading secret in your ear?

[Jason Tardick]

I like that.

[David]

In their eardrums. Always liked the episode, always liked the episode, but never just found the time. And it kind of did feel like a throwback episode. Like we said, we've been doing this for four or five years and kind of felt like, yeah, this, this felt like a year two, year three. A lot of the same themes, a lot of the same questions, but at the same time felt super inspiring at the same. And, and I, I self, admittedly, as we know, reality TV resident reality TV guy for the podcast have not watched Traders yet. So now that it's spoiled, I still watch it, but I'm in the middle of some other ones, other shows right now. But you could tell why people, viewers fell in love with him and you can tell why he would have been so good on a show like that. And hearing his story a year before and seeing and hearing the Oakum, it just makes sense. Do you agree?

[Jason Tardick]

Well, well, I think it makes perfect sense, especially when you look at the whole idea of him just being like, just be yourself. Like it would just like tap into yourself and the rest will come. And that's what he's done. That's what he's done his whole life. That's what he did before the show and now, you know, and I loved.

[David]

How he was so like anti. I loved how he was so anti acting for so long in his life. And then, you know, Hawk asked the question, he said, I actually am going to try and lean into acting a little bit. And here he is on a TV show but not having to act, but therefore also coming across through TV in a way that he probably felt like he never was ever going to and is just totally catapulted himself kind of into the limelight that he's probably used. His brother's probably used to being in. So. So yeah, guys, crushing it.

[Jason Tardick]

What about that? Like all the things behind the scenes, like, I mean, we heard about the audio boom. We heard about the stunt guys, we heard about the directors of photography. Like we heard all that what will surprised you?

[David]

I mean, no, I think I have two. I think he's mentioned my two dream jobs. Like I think being a boom op is for $70 an hour is one of the coolest. Like if you go through like life and all you do is a boom, a boom operator of a boom mic and you're cashing, you know, 600, 700, $800 days. Does it get any better than that? I mean, maybe I have right on here. This sounds like my dream job. The stuntman coming in a thousand dollars a day. Like sign me up for that. Immediate.

[Jason Tardick]

Yeah, but you would be a stuntman. Like I can't see you being a stunt man.

[David]

What makes you say that? For a thousand dollars a day, you know, I do some, you know, I do some things. For a thousand dollars a day I'd be a stuntman. Why can't I be a stuff?

[Jason Tardick]

Because I just feel like, okay, correct me if I wrong, but I feel with like daredevil esque type tasks like jumping out of a plane or walking a tight road over Niagara Falls, even if you're on a bungee cord, like that's not your forte.

[David]

You know what? It's not. And I think you're right. I think I'd be a good stuntman if I was like filmed to do it, to see my reactions, but not if I'm supposed to go like be authentic. Yeah, you're right. I'm probably not. I'm probably more of a boom boom mic guy.

[Jason Tardick]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's interesting. Yeah. You ever see. You know, it's fascinating. Obviously I've never met Zach. Afro was talking to Zac Efron, but I've seen Zac Efron interviews. It's always interesting to me how two brothers who have such talent, like, you could tell they're both so talented, but they're so different. Right. And that reminds me of the reason I say it. It's like my brother and I, like my brother and I are so opposite. We have so many like very, you know, dotted line similarities, but also so many opposites. And it's so interesting how like the psychology of that, you know what I mean? Like, it's, it's, it's kind of fascinating. Are you and your sister alike?

[David]

Yeah. No.

[Jason Tardick]

Isn't that interesting?

[David]

No, no, I, we're not alike. I don't think really at all in terms of. She's way more artistic. She's a dancer. She's a, she's a, she's a counselor and family therapist now. She's you know, and I'm very much more the right side of the brain and very analytical and organized and you know, like very different. But it is. And I, I think a lot of it, I think a lot of that stuff has to do with the first sibling, second sibling treatment. Sometimes where the first sibling, I just think like a lot of that, like, I can't imagine if, if we ever have a second kid, how much less hands on oversighting attention that they're going to get. And from that they're probably able to maybe, maybe be a little more passionate early about the things that they truly care about because they're just figuring it out where the firstborn is kind of in this little more structured path and maybe they come to their passion later in life because they have to figure it out later. But that's just a. Back to last, last week's recap. Safe space. This is. Don't, guys, don't quote me on this. Safe space. We're just giving our opinions on this. So why do you think it is? You're, you're the one who's saying. You're the one who's claiming to be different.

[Jason Tardick]

I mean, I don't know exactly. I really don't know. I think there's a lot of obviously the families out there in which they're very similar. Like, you know, but I think, I don't know. It'd be interesting. I'd love to do like a poll on this. Like in general, what do people think, do you think, do you think siblings actually are more opposite than they are similar? And I would think the answer is probably more opposite than similar.

[David]

I think so. And when you say they're similar is like, okay, are they similar? Because they all fell into like the, the way that they. It was supposed to be like, if I have all boys and they're all hockey players, are they similar or is they similar because I made them similar?

[Jason Tardick]

Or is hockey just. That's just one sport they play that doesn't at all d their personality?

[David]

Yeah, correct.

[Jason Tardick]

But still that's interest. It's a common interest. But I mean, yeah, I don't know. It's interesting. It's an interesting take and it was cool to just even talk to Dylan about that. And then I got, I gotta say this, this is behind the scenes thing. I've run into Dylan a bunch of times. He is like the nicest, sweetest, kindest guy. I mean, he is so pure, so real. I've never seen him in an instance where he's not and he's just. I can't say enough good things about him.

[David]

Is he married, kids, anything?

[Jason Tardick]

I think he was just on Vile Files and I saw a clip that he announced. I think he has a girlfriend which I believe most of America was heartbroken from that. Cuz I. I like he's like the heartthrob right now.

[David]

Yeah, that's a guy you just don't want to be compared to if you're in the dating scene because you're going to lose every time. That guy's just the best.

[Jason Tardick]

That is a great. I love that. That is a great example. Yeah.

[David]

Now I was, I was. I was hoping to hear more, a little bit more about the down to earth documentary that his did that he was obviously on the production team on. I watched that. I watched the whole both seasons of the down to earth documentary which was totally a curveball from what the Zack Efron that we know.

[Jason Tardick]

I didn't see. I didn't see the down documentary. Tell me a little bit about it.

[David]

Think of like planet Earth, but like niche in specific. Like for example they go to France and he goes on like you know, like a wine sommelier. There's water Somalier and he talks about like water and, and water in each country and how it's available and how it's marketed and like the business behind water and then like the difference between what makes a good wander to bad water and how like. Like France has the best water in the world and it's given in their. In their. On their streets and fountains and they can get sparkling water on the street fountain.

[Jason Tardick]

Okay, quick question, quick question. Is this one. Is this water segment one thing or.

[David]

Is this the whole show one episode.

[Jason Tardick]

Okay, so like episode. So they, they go on the road and figure things out and like look into them.

[David]

Goes to. I goes to Iceland and like sees how like the p. The people. Native people of Iceland have like lived off the land. Even though it's like volcanic and like all. It's crazy. Like it's a. It's a very, very good documentary. Very good. If you're into like that it's like. Especially if you like Papa Gummy and like you're like, oh, this like let me think about life. Yeah, big picture.

[Jason Tardick]

I'm going to put that one on my. To do another thing like thinking about him being on the production side of that. I found it really interesting when wrote the piece. He actually wrote the script for a show and he talked about how each page of the script is one minute in film world. Which is like 120 pages. And to me I was like, oh, 120 pages. Actually seems for like two hour movie. That seems pretty like short, doesn't it?

[David]

Yeah, a little bit. But you got to think like, depending on the movie especially like it's a movie, like you're probably relating it to the book where you're just talking and talking and talking. There's no breaks like in a movie. In a cinematic movie movie. How many pauses are there with no talking? How much B roll, how much suspense and setting up a scene, how much, you know, how much time is done? The director of photography that he brought up, how much timer do they need a silent shot? Do they need to build the moment before the one line gets delivered and the one line gets delivered and there's five seconds of silent to see the reaction. So when you're thinking about a script, it's not just necessarily a back and forth conversation for two hours. There's a lot, lot of. Sometimes you don't maybe realize there's probably a lot of like downtime in movies as well. Think of like Leonardo DiCaprio in the one movie where he was like out in the wilderness and he remember and he like cut the animal open. I had to sleep inside of it. Like there's not a lot of talking in that movie. That script's probably 20 pages.

[Jason Tardick]

That's true. That's a good point. It is kind of cool, full circle, to hear all the stories behind the scenes, behind the camera that he was a part of. And now to see him in front of the camera and unscripted tv. It'd be interesting to see like where, where he continues to, to, to move with his career. But I think he's got again, if you've ever seen his videos, man, he does some unbelievable videos when he's also. Did you see how he snuck in triathlete? I can't believe I didn't jump on that. Like, what, what? And I knew that about him researching, but I'm like, what?

[David]

Doesn't this guy do very much in.

[Jason Tardick]

Passing too, you know, triathlon, but in the most humble, down to earth way, like ever possible.

[David]

Well, one thing I have to. There's a couple things I have to bring up. Number one, I have to bring up how much it resonated with me and hopefully a lot of other people out there. And I say this episode felt old school. Our old school episodes, there was like, you know, tips on negotiation, tips on interviewing and tips on side hustles and tips on this. I loved how he was talking about when he was working in studio at Warner Brothers and he was making 70k in his 9 to 5. And that was it. That was his.

[Jason Tardick]

I loved that.

[David]

Actually.

[Jason Tardick]

I told. I told John to clip that because I really love that.

[David]

Yeah. Yeah. And then he broke out of that mold, the 9 to 5 mold, and used 70K as a benchmark and basically said, if I can make 70k and that be my benchmark, how much more fulfilling will it be if I'm doing things and making that 70k and doing things in the way that I love? And I. That was really cool to me. It made me feel good about my current situation a little bit in the sense that I am clinging on doing something that I love, but I'm not making the most money, me doing it. But I just thought that that was really cool. And if people that. And when he was talking about his first boss and he was like, if the boss. If you don't have a boss like this, that should be a sign to leave your job. So I'm like, okay, this guy's cooking on some, like, you know, some good life vibes. Like, you want to feel good about your life. Like, just take those two pieces of advice.

[Jason Tardick]

Yeah. And I think, you know, I sent him a message about this episode coming out, and I think one, shame on us that it took this long. But like you said, all good things come to those who wait. But. But what happens is we bank these episodes and then what. Because there's some evergreen episodes and then very timely episodes based on what's happening in the news. Right? And then what happens is you bank them and then a month, two or two, three, four go by, and then you forget what was in the episode. And I was listening to this episode back. I'm like, this episode is fucking amazing. Like, there are. There are just little nuggets everywhere from him, and. And those are some of the ones that. That I took, too, and will continue to take as I move forward. Forward.

[David]

And sometimes those are the ones that. That take the longest to come out because you know that they're so good. And so you know that there's going to be a time to do it. And so you just sit on it and it. And it was very evergreen. Like, there wasn't any big. He wasn't. It wasn't a press release. He wasn't releasing a book. He wasn't on a movie. Like, it was just two guys. Like, you know, he had his dog. And news flash, Jay is sitting in a RV right now with his Dog which come to safe space. We've hit the 15 minute mark of the recap. So now we, we switch over to safe space.

[Jason Tardick]

Yeah, yeah. I am sitting right now in an rv. I am with John Gurney. Here's what happened. Here's like the, the business side I touched a little bit on in the intro, but I got a speaking deal with Tick Tock where I'm speaking on behalf of Tick Tock to Proctor and Gamble. And so I had, I committed to it before so I had to come up. But I can't fly with, with big old Teddy yet. So what I'm doing is I rented an rv. I'm with John Gurney. We're going Nashville to New York. We're staying in New York during the week at hotels but like RVing back and I think on the way back we're going to do a couple challenges. So you guys are going to have to submit those on Instagram. But yeah, man, I'm in an RV right now.

[David]

Where are you right now physically? Like on a map. If you were to drop.

[Jason Tardick]

Let me look. First of all, I'm in a part where it's a 20, 24 foot. 24 foot RV. We rented it.

[David]

It's like cozy.

[Jason Tardick]

It's very cozy actually. It's very cozy. There's a queen sized bed and then there's a, there's like a table with two benches and then there is, on top of like where you're driving, there's another bed there. So it actually sleeps six. It's like, it's like a booth. Imagine like a booth at a restaurant and that's the table and then there's a microwave in here. There's an oven in here. Shower, bathroom, fridge, freezer, sink. Unbelievable. It's like 230 bucks a day to rent. So far we have filled it up twice. Cost 100 bucks each. Fill up. This is, you know, a little financial transparency. I'm in the, I'm in the lot next to a Starbucks Chipotle and looking at a Hobby lobby, taking up three parking spots. And as I zoom out, I am in triadelphia. I'm in Tri Adelphia near, near Wheeling. And the closest. Closest. Yeah.

[David]

Pennsylvania.

[Jason Tardick]

Oh yeah.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah.

[Jason Tardick]

The closest city that the majority would be aware of is Pittsburgh. We're very close to Pittsburgh.

[David]

Yeah. Wheeling Nailers is a East coast hockey league team. Old podcast. Former podcast guest Paul Biznet business. He played on the Wheeling Nailers. What a name for a franchise.

[Jason Tardick]

Wow. That's also a throwback there. And yeah, Paul Bisnett. This guy's so funny. Oh my God, he's great. But yeah, man, we're making. And we, we're under a little bit of time cooker here. Time pressure cooker. Because at, you know, as of now, right now if I put in New York, New York and we drive, we are going to get there at. It's like 4 in the morning, right? Probably because this thing doesn't move that fast, but probably four or five in the morning. And at noon tomorrow we got a podcast with. No, with the first one's with Maria.

[David]

Oh yeah.

[Jason Tardick]

And then we got Kelly Flanagan.

[David]

Oh, just Queens of Queens of the Bachelorette.

[Jason Tardick]

So those are gonna be two great episodes. Looking forward to that. But yeah, we're gonna have to wrap this recap up so we get on the road.

[David]

Well, it's good, it's good. Listen, because this is a, this is a trailer, there's a lot of internal debate. Do we give a little bit of a life update focus on. On Teddy and the naming process and, and how you even got to. To get Teddy and a little bit of the, the rescue foundation that you got Teddy from and a little bit of idea. But you know what, we listened to this episode. We said no, we gotta release it. The timing is right. We're so glad that we did. And this could get. Just get the people excited because I don't. I think that, you know, maybe after the, the trials and tribulations of the our first RGV trip, maybe next Monday we will have to dive into I'm never doing this idea again. Or maybe you're double downing on it like this feel. That felt right. And we can kind of go, maybe we can go over that. Maybe have a little more infotainment.

[Jason Tardick]

It's a trial run. There's so much going on. We will talk about the dog, we'll talk more about the RV situation. We'll do a whole episode on that's going to come here soon. But in the meantime, David, safe space. Recap. All good things. So good to talk to you.

[David]

Yeah, so good to talk to you guys. Drive safe over there. Two and ten on the wheel. Two and ten.

[Jason Tardick]

Two and ten on the wheel dot Rocking this twenty foot, four whatever foot. I think it's called Freedom Elite Ford RV. Wish us luck. Hopefully we stay safe. And Dylan Efron, you are an absolute king. Thank you so much for being on this episode of Trading Secrets. Hopefully it was one you couldn't have afford to miss. How to have fun anytime, anywhere.

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