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I don't never put women in my business Full time rap I ain't doing no drilling Whoa, whoa I can make an M in my sleep Straight up sound team breaking down a pee oh, God. 18 Start selling Harbor Lil B103 5 a whip from D riding down Glenwood Tank on E All about the money I ain't.
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So before we get started, I want to. I did something special for you. I brought my buddy here today. He's from Louis Vuitton, so he is the exclusive painter and artist for Louis Vuitton. So when you go to the Louis Vuitton store, if you're gonna paint something, it's got to go through him. So. Got you a little. Little something. I hope you like it.
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Oh, a gift. I'm gonna let.
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Yeah, Let me do the honors.
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I know what it is.
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You do.
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It's like a watch case.
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Is it?
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Oh, Crest. What's that called? Chess. I could feel it. I could just tell, bro, I like this how you open. I told you.
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You knew?
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I knew it. I could feel it. I needed one of these.
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I know you love your watches.
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Yeah.
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You know how I know you love your watches? Because me and you buy our watches off the same person for years. So he been telling me forever, you know, 21. He only get watches that, like. He invests in watches that bring value, that go up. Yep.
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You painted all this on here? It's fire.
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And Aaron gave me the ideas too.
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He's like, let's put the Slaughter gang.
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Logo on the side and the dagger on the other side.
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I knew. Yeah. I got Virgil. Yeah. Yeah. My boy Virgil, man. Yeah. I love this cityscape of Atlanta. Kind of inspired by Georgia a little bit. Yeah. This fat and you hand painted it.
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Yeah.
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Oh, hand painted. Damn.
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He did it for LeBron. He did it for a bunch of people.
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This shit fire and it hold hella watches, too.
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Eight watches.
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Mm.
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I know you'll be able to fill that up. Appreciate it, my brother.
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Thank.
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I appreciate you. You know that. Hell yeah. Well, hell yeah. Should we start this?
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Yeah.
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Now we're speeding. You're good to go. All right, well, sitting here today I'm with international superstar, top selling artist, Grammy award winning artist, humanitarian, and just name by Time magazine, the top 100 most influential people in the world. It's more than an honor. I want to welcome 21 Savage. Thank you so much, bro.
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Thank you for having me.
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You know, I know you could be anywhere in the world right now, right? I know. Amazon, Instagram, biggest places in the world. You could be anywhere you want right now.
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Yeah.
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And you're here with me, and that means the world to me. So I want to start off with, you know, we just went to the grill. We just walked around. What did you think?
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That crazy. Like, the whole process is just how it's made. You wouldn't think, like, that much work going to it. Like, it's a lot of different rooms, bro. That's a lot of weed.
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What do you think?
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Smell good?
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Hell, yeah. Finally got you some flowers. I got to cut you your flowers.
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Yeah.
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Hell, yeah. So let's start off with. When was the first time you smoked weed? Tell me your experience.
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The first time I smoked weed, I think I was in middle school. Maybe elementary. No, middle. Like, sixth grade. And this dude in my neighborhood used to sell weed or whatever, but he was like my big brother, so I stole some of his shit. So we getting off the school bus, like, after school, and we got, like, you know, the little lunch sack? The brown lunch sack bag? Oh, yeah, we ripped that off. Rolled it up in a little lunch sack. Cause we tried to get a blunt from the store, but they wouldn't sell us one. And it wasn't no crackheads out that we could pay to get us one at the time. So we rolled it up in a little brown paper bag, smoked it. We had Visine. Put Visine in our eyes. When we went home, I just kept laughing. Like, I just couldn't stop laughing. Got home, I was hungry as a. Oh, God.
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Was it good weed?
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It was mid.
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It was mid.
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Yeah, it was. That's back when we had seeds, sticks, and all that type of. It used to come in sacks, little dime sacks, 125s.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah. It was that type weed bush. Well, not. It was good weed for the time.
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How old were you at the time?
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I was probably 11.
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Damn.
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10, 11, 12. Somewhere up in there.
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And you smoked it out the paper bag?
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Yeah. Brown paper bag.
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That's crazy.
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Yeah.
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And it got you high?
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High as fuck.
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So you stole the weed from the homie?
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Not really stole it, but, like, just took a little.
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Little bit to smoke.
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He ain't give a. Yeah, yeah.
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So me and you got a similar story. We both dropped out of school. I know that. You dropped out of school to sell weed. I dropped out of school. I got kicked out of school. And then I realized I'm like, there's. There's. I just love weed so much. I just wanted to sell weed so I could get free weed to smoke it first. I was like, you know, this shit's so expensive. Like, I was telling you, 500 ounce for everything. Tell me about you getting kicked out of school and you starting to sell weed and your experience with that.
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See, I ain't get kicked out. I. I got kicked out twice. I got kicked out seventh grade. Then I got kicked out eighth grade and then ninth grade. They was trying to kick me out, but my mama just withdrew me from school type. And she told him she was gonna homeschool me, but she ain't really homeschool me. And I just started running around doing all type of. So to prevent the third kick out, I just got withdrew from school type.
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And then started selling weed.
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Yeah.
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So was it brick weed? Was it.
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It was mid.
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Mid.
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Mid, yeah. Mid.
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So you guys, back then, you called, like, the mid. The. The weed was called mid, if it had.
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Yeah, but you had, like, different, like, qualities of mid. So you had, like. You had, like, Reggie, which is, like, the lowest of. The lowest of the. That you could have. Then you had, like, Thrax. You had Popcorn mid. You had Arizona mid. It was just all type of different. Like, the. The higher up, the less seeds they had. But it was still mid, though.
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Still had seeds?
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Yeah, it still had seeds, but it was just less seeds. And it might have a few orange hairs here and there. Be, like, a little brighter in color. Then they upgraded the drone. Everybody was smoking dro. Then it went Pert came in. That's when the perp and cushion Sour Diesel came in.
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Oh, yeah.
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Like, so you know how it went. It went, like, step by step.
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And the sunset Sherbert, you remember that one?
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Yeah, Like, I don't remember that.
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The sunset Sherbert.
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I just remember it went from goddamn perp and OG to just all kind of. Yeah, see this? California. So y' all had, like, before we did type.
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Yeah.
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In Atlanta, it just went from Mid to Per, to cushion, Sour Diesel to just all type of flavors.
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And do you remember how much pounds are going?
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Oh, you know what? I remember the first. The first flavor name that I remember was, like, other than Kush, it was like blue something.
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Blue Dream.
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Blue Dream.
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Yeah.
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Blue Dream. That was, like the first little fake, like, exotic. But it wasn't no good weed to me, though.
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But it's still not no good weed.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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I love that. You know, you. You know you're weed.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So selling weeds. Can you tell me, like, like an experience, like a hard thing going through it when you were selling weed? Like a. Like a story of something that happened when you Were selling weed.
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Anything you can think of, bro? Shot. I got shot selling weed? Yeah, kind of. It was slick. Over weed? Yeah. Oh, I tell you something, that. That molded me from a young age, all right? My best friend, his name was Johnny, he used to sell weed or whatever. I used to get my weed from him. So back then, pounds of Mayor was probably like 850 in Atlanta or something. He was probably paying like 650, 700 for the good meal, though. So he used to sell me the zips for like. I can't even remember the price. Maybe 150, 250 a zip. Let me think. No, it couldn't have been no 250. Probably like a hundred dollars a zip. Because Sevens used to be 25, okay? So he used to charge me 75 instead of a hundred dollars. He used to charge that, like his regular plays. A hundred dollars, charged me 75. But I wasn't buying a zip. I was buying like a half. Shit like that. So I buy a half an ounce of weed from him, and I got the scale on me, too. I used to ride around with the scale, move around with the scale. Mind you, I'm in middle school at the time, though. I'm in eighth grade. So I get the weed from. So I get back to my apartments. Matter of fact, we're staying in the house then. So we get back to the neighborhood. So a partner, he ain't really. He. He was like my partner. But he used to buy weed from me, too. So back then, everybody used to be like, man, I'll buy one from you if you match me. So they'll buy a sack of weed, and then I smoke one of my sacks with them. Yeah, so we smoking in the car. This one, I learned, never smoke in the car. If you got weed on you, we smoking in the car. Hot boxing. I got the scale on me too, though. Oh, no, Police, pull up. I tried to slide the scale up under the seat, put the weed up under the seat. They got down, open the door. Smoke just coming out the car. They search everybody they like, all right, we gonna search the car. So God damn, they find the weed. It was three of us, though. It was me, the nigga who used to buy weed from me, and somebody else. So goddamn police like, whose is this? I'm the youngest, though. I'm a juvenile. So I'm like, it's mine. That's my weed. That's my scale. So he, like, he started talking to her because the. The other two dudes was, like, older. They was like 19 and probably like 18 or some. 18 and 20 or some.
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Your homies?
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Yeah, these. Like I said, we too. But we cool, too, though. Okay? But they way older than me. So the police walk over to the older. Like, man, he a juvenile. Y' all really gonna like, let him take the file? Like, y' all gonna let this kid go to jail versus y' all taking it or whatever? So I'm like, nah, that's my. Or whatever. I ain't say my. But I was like, no, officer, that's my stuff. Like, that's. That's mine. I'm gonna own up to it. That's my stuff. So the officer kept it clear. He said, I ain't gonna lock you up. I ain't gonna charge you with it. He like, if you gonna sell weed and have a scale, why would you do it and smoke weed in the car in front of another neighbor house that you don't know type?
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The cop said that?
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Yes. Took me to my house, called my mama outside. He said. He said, your son just got caught with this weed, this amount of weed. He said, forget about the weed. He got caught with the weed with a scale, so that's automatically possession with intent to distribute. She said, I'm not gonna lock him up. I see he already on probation. She said, just keep an eye on him and whoop his ass when he come in the house type shit. And God damn, he ain't even write me a ticket or not. He just let me go then from that day forward, because my mom, I think my mama was like, why would you smoke with your bomb on you? Like, why would you have all your weed that you selling on you and be smoking in the car type.
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And the scale.
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And the scale. So ever since then, I just knew, like, all right, if you moving around, doing what you're doing, like, don't smoke while you around this type shit. Oh, God. I never smoked weed in a car since that day.
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For real.
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Even as an adult since that day right there, I've never smoked a blunt in the car ever.
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That's crazy.
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Swear to God.
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In California?
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Nope.
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Damn.
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I still just be paranoid even in la. Like, I know that shit legal, but, boy, I'm from Atlanta. That shit ain't here. Hell no.
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That's why they need to make weed federally legal soon.
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Yeah. How they do. How we do that, though?
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So how we do that is, like.
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There'S people locked up for that. But you selling weed, you got a stove right now that people can come legally in and buy weed and don't get in no trouble, but it's people who really doing 10, 15 years for doing the exact same thing.
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So when I opened a dispensary in 2005, a good friend of mine had a store right down the street and he got locked up for doing the same exact thing that I was doing. He got 20 years in prison. His name is Noah Kleinman. He got out in 2020. When Trump left office, he pardoned him because he still had another like six years left on his sentence. And he was literally doing the same thing I'm doing. So essentially, like when I first started selling weed, George Bush was president, so literally everybody was doing federal time. Like people got caught with a couple pounds, they're doing federal time. So for me, I think that, you know, I think that weed is better for you than alcohol. What do you think?
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I think so, like, health wise.
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Health wise, yeah, for sure. And I think just in general, how is alcohol legal and how is weed not legal? Right. So that brings me to like. Like, for instance, right now our industry is suffering so much because, you know, there's, it's an over regulation, it's an over taxation. But as you know, in California, you know, they're, they're, they're so, you know, it's not black and white. You know, everyone thinks that it's black and white. You know, what's black and white is 35 tax is, you know, the over regulation, I would say, is from government. They think that, like, oh, it's weed, there's unlimited money. Well, if you got thousands of people running around the street, trapping weed, selling weed, they, there's no repercussion for them. They're breaking into houses, they're stealing, they're robbing people, they're getting in California and getting out in, in 60 days. So. So, you know, they'd rather attack people like me, you know, because you gotta think for cannabis legalization, there's higher ups up there. You know, it's like all these businesses, right? Like there's people at the top that have hundreds of millions of dollars, billions of dollars invested in policy and change. And these people want to control the weed industry. They don't want to see someone like me, you know, make it legal. They want to make it legal in a way that it's impossible for anyone to do business that doesn't come in with a couple hundred million, right? So that's why the weed industry right now is so bad, is because there's no clear path forward for legalization. So you got to think like right now, you know, alcohol, for instance, you can sell alcohol from California to London. You can sell alcohol from California to Germany to Spain. Can sell alcohol anywhere. You know, from internationally interstate commerce, you can do any kind of commerce for weed. You're only allowed to operate per state because weed is still federally illegal. Weed is in the same category as LSD and heroin. So schedule one drugs.
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Heroin, heroin.
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So it's weed, heroin, lsd, Schedule one drug. So I. I know it sound crazy.
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Cocaine.
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Cocaine is a schedule, too.
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So there it's. It's less.
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It's less.
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Hell no.
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I swear. Am I right about that?
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That must be in California, legally. I mean, federally. Yeah, federally. Cocaine is lower on the scale than weed. Yeah. Hell no. Man.
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Are you hearing this?
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Man? Ain't no way. That's 100 fact, 100 facts.
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He an attorney. How many years you're an attorney? A dozen. How many years is your dad an attorney? How many years your brother an attorney?
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Fifteen.
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There you go.
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God damn. They look at weed worse than cocaine.
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Yeah, weed worse than cocaine. That's what they're saying.
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I never knew that.
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Yeah, well, now you know. So I think something that's huge is something that I've been trying to work on, is federal legalization, right? I think that, you know, the President of the United States, Donald Trump, he has the ability to make cannabis legal, right? He can make all these. These, you know, he can.
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Without Congress, he could just say so.
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I believe he can. Correct. Can he pass it without Congress?
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He can deschedule it. He can make it not as bad as cocaine.
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So for me now, I'm on a mission in my life where I want to sit with Donald Trump and I want to talk to him about legalizing cannabis. I want him to see this reaction of like, hey, you know, you got a microphone that'll reach not only the United States, it'll reach around the world. And not only that, there's no eyes on our industry of, you know, people of your caliber that are like, what's going on? Like, like you didn't even know that Cocaine is less on the schedule. You know, It's a Schedule 2 and Marijuana Schedule 1. Trump can legalize it and allow us to do not only interstate commerce, he could allow us to do international commerce. So we would create essentially in America, hundreds of thousands, if not millions of jobs, right, from cultivation, manufacturing, distribution, right? Why are we allowing Spain, Germany, all these other states, Israel, they're doing international commerce with each other. So they're already doing business with weed. With weed. They're shipping to each other. So Israel shipping to Germany. Germany shipping to Spain. Spain shipping to Israel. So all these countries are already trying to beat us because we have such up policy in. In America when it comes to cannabis that nobody has, like, a clear answer of what's going on, you know, because there hasn't been. There hasn't been a conversation with the president yet, or there hasn't been a pathway forward to where it's like, all right, let's really do this right. You know, many people promise they never did it right, but back to the weed. But we're gonna get back to that because I got a cool story I want to know. So when you smoke weed, do you smoke blunts? You like, smoke joints? What's your way to smoke? What do you like to smoke? Blunts. What kind of blunts you smoke?
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Swishers.
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Okay. All right. Old school. So when you get stoned, what's your favorite food to eat?
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Whatever the Is next to me, honestly.
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You got some kind of munchy food.
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Whatever's right there. Oatmeal, cream pie, pies, honey bun, Jamaican food.
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All right, we got some Jamaican food for you today.
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Yeah.
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So what's your favorite weed strain? And, like, what have you been smoking on lately? And.
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And, well, it's the car, I think I got some called Mind Blown, but don't nobody really got it like that. But they said. They actually said that they got some of that from you.
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Those are my boys.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. They buy pounds from us.
A
And this smoking, though.
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That smoking?
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Yeah, this good as a. Oh, God.
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Can I check it out? Let's see if that's one.
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Because y' all make y' all gross for everybody, right? Yeah, a lot of people. Yeah, they said they got some from y' all.
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Yeah, that's the LCG Skittles. We do. This is. This is our. This is so. You bet. So wait, you got this. Yeah, yeah, this is gonna. I already see these guys coming up.
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Yeah, don't nobody got this like that. Keep this in the top.
B
Plus traditional, you'd be smoking on, too.
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Yeah, that's more traditional, for sure.
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Of course.
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Traditional.
B
So what did they call the AAA weed back in the day? What was the. What was the name for, like, yo, I got the best.
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Was it back in what day, though?
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Like, let's say. Oh, I like that. Like, say, around, like, 2014, 2016.
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Cookies. It was cookies then.
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It was cookies then.
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Yeah.
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That's what people like.
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Girl Scout cookies.
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Girl Scout cookies.
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Yeah. That's what. From what I Remember? I remember being young. It was Irene Kush. That was like, the best of the best. Like, they used to charge like 1200 an ounce for that. Then it. Then it went to, like, the girl scout cookie wave. Then it went into the runts wave. Trying to think. Yeah. Then you had the gumbo wave. It just was all tight. It's just waves. Different waves. Yeah.
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Okay, so I know you smoke weed, probably with everybody.
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Oh, no, biscotti.
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Biscotti.
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Biscotti had a big ass wave.
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A big ass wave.
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Yeah. Biscotti.
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You still like biscotti?
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Yeah, yeah, it's good. Y. I like Y.
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Thank you.
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Yeah.
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I know we brought you to the a.m. when you did the Amazon show. Yeah, we brought you some biscotti to the Amazon show. You really liked it.
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Yeah.
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So I know you smoke weed with everybody. I'm sure you smoke weed. So, like, tell me some cool people that you smoke weed with in your experience that you would say, I don't.
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You know, I smoke by myself when I'm alone. I can't be around people when I smoke because it make me paranoid. So I smoke, like, at home when I'm playing the game, I ain't got shit to do. Or when I'm in the studio by myself, just recording, just me and the engineer. I might hit the blunt, but I can't smoke around people because I get too paranoid and just get to thinking too much. So I ain't really got no cool, like, smoke stories with nobody. For real? Not that I can think of. Nah, I can't really think of.
B
Does weed help you with your creative process?
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Sometimes. Sometimes it make me stupid, though. I get in that can't route for just be just in there. But sometimes, yeah, it'll just put you, like, in another little mind frame, like.
B
You know, it's funny. It's funny you said that, cuz, like, sometimes. Like one time I was with Dirk in the studio, and he was like, all right, bring me the strongest weed. Like, bring me the best weed. I'm like, are you sure you don't bring the strongest weed? But, like, me and Dirk, like. Like, I would always bring them weed and stuff, and he'd be like, bro, come this video, bring me the strongest weed. And I want my boy. Whoop. That's the first time I met his boy who. He's my boy too. He's like, you'll come. I want to smoke it. So he was sitting there, they were working on the. The J. Cole songs, and, you know, he was playing me some stuff. He had done with Future and like all the album. He's like, oh, you guys roll that. Roll that up. So we had me and me Dirk and we rolled a fat ass blunt. And he's like, all right. Like that. So I'm like, all right, we smoked it. I'm like, you know this gonna light this? Is this the one right here? Like, this is the paranoid weed. He's like, no, no, we good. He's like, bro, we. We smoked a fat ass blunt between three of us. He looked at me 20 minutes later, he said, nah. He said, I'm out. This. He just got up, he said, I'm gonna be. He said he looked and then he thought about it. He's like, yo, we'll go walk. Let's. Let's do this. You know, he just got up, he was done.
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Yeah.
B
And then he had text me at home when he got home, he's like, yo, bro, whatever. That was like that one, that one going. That's the one. Like that. Yeah, done. Yeah. You know, See that?
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Paranoid.
B
Oh, my God. God, bro, that foot made you.
A
Why do it make you paranoid, though?
B
So I think that, like, there's levels of weed that are super strong. And like, let's say for. For instance, like, if you haven't smoked weed all day and then you're gonna go take like a fat ass hit of some wheat, you're gonna get high. Like, even if it's not the strongest weed, you're still gonna get hot. But if you haven't smoked weed for like all day long and then you smoke a fat ass joint, you smoke the whole thing, it's like, well, it's like, if you give me a bottle of tequila, if I take a shot, I'll feel a little good. A little. But if I drink the whole bottle.
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Yeah.
B
What's gonna happen? Up, up.
A
Yeah.
B
You know, so we talked about this. I think it's really important you support federal legalization.
A
Yeah. Yeah.
B
Would you sit down with Trump and have a conversation with him?
A
I ain't really into the politics and shit, but if it's gonna help free people who locked up for weed, for sure, yeah.
B
Hell yeah. I think we can make that happen.
A
Yeah.
B
I think me, you, and Donald Trump could sit down and have a conversation, and if we get a big enough microphone with enough people, I think that we can make lead weed legal. And I truly, genuinely believe that. So just for instance, like, I had Antonio Brown on the show and he's friends with Trump. He went, spoke. Have you seen it? He went to go Speak at the. He spoke at one of the rallies. Then he went to Mar A Lago, and then he just a B and Trump locked in.
A
Yeah.
B
So when I. I asked a B, I'm like, do you think Trump will legalize weed? He's like, you need enough people like me to sit down to continue to say, like, for A.B. for instance, he a football player. So, like, they be trying to give him Vicodin, oxycontin. It's like he up his foot. Like, even my boy forever. He, like, he did some chyo freeze on his foot in, like, they try to give him pills. He's like, I don't want pills. I don't want to take. I want natural medicine, right? So, like, I think that the big thing for legalization is, like, there's so much medical benefit from weed. Like, because I've been serving people since forever. I've had dispensaries. So I had so many cancer patients come in. Like, it's simple. Like, I'll never forget someone who had stage four cancer. They were dying. I was like, does the weed help you? They're like, honestly, I can't eat food. So it's not about science. It's about when I smoke weed, I get the munchies. I get the munchies and I eat the food, right? So then I feel better. So was it some scientific thing that happened that, like, oh, I smoked it and now I'm cured of cancer? No, but did I want to take a hundred pills in bottles, right? Or did I want to just smoke a couple hits off a joint and then I get the munchies and I start eating, Right? So I think that there's such a big medical aspect behind cannabis. I think that your microphone is so big, and I think that Trump is already signaled that he's open for legalization, but he needs someone like, like, he needs. He needs someone like Alex to explain the laws and the, you know, the logistics of it and how interstate commerce and how that would all work. But me personally, I think we're leaving, if not billions, I think trillions of dollars for our American economy on the table. Imagine we could sell weed in London right now. If they say, hey, now, weed is federally legal everywhere. We can sell weed all around the world. We can sell weed to London. We could sell weed to Spain. We could sell weed anywhere.
A
Ain't we legal in London?
B
It's not legal in London.
A
It's decriminalized or some, though, I think.
B
So funny you said that. I'm going to show you Something right now. I had the Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan. You know Sadiq Khan?
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Yeah.
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I had him in this facility right here. I never savage. I never been on camera my whole entire life. I never wanted to be on camera. I didn't like camera. I was always nervous. I never in my whole life, I never thought we was so illegal. My homies are doing 20 years for we. I didn't want to get on camera. But then Alex told me, he's like, look, he was a former city attorney. He wrote all the cannabis laws in la. He said, look, the Mayor of London wants to come to California and he wants to interview you and your operation and everything you've done. He's going to come with BBC News, he's going to come with the Los Angeles City Mayor's office. He's going to bring all the city officials. So this was my first time on camera. Me and Sadiq Khan on BBC News. He came here.
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To be headed by.
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Lord Faulkner, the former Lord Chancellor to Tony Blair. The aim of the commission is to consider whether London should follow cities such as Los Angeles and legalize the use and growing cultivation of cannabis by adults.
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Someone like me from the Trap, sitting with the Mayor of London. That's why I wear all that pink suit. I said, I gotta make some noise.
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And it really is quite an extraordinary place. Just look at it behind me. It's like a forest of cannabis trees.
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So we put them inside here so that they can absorb the water and stay alive. One of the things I've been fascinated.
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By is how by decriminalizing cannabis, they raised the quality and the safety of the product, but also raised literally millions and millions and millions of dollars in relation to taxes being paid. So an industry, an area that was illegal, criminals were benefiting a black market in relation to the production and use of cannabis drugs has been transformed into a lawful legal industry where tax revenues are paid. There are very high standards of regulation, regular inspections.
B
So I basically had.
A
He still the mayor?
B
Is he still the mayor?
A
He's still.
B
Yes, yes, yeah, still the mayor. This was three years ago. So he had hit me up and I was like, bro, I don't like cameras. I don't want to be on no camera. He's like, this is your opportunity to do something huge for the cannabis industry. Like, this is your business. You got to get in front of it. So for like logistics for the business, like, I just like to grow bomb ass weed. I like to. I know what's bomb, I know what's cool, I know how to run the business. But you. You know, it got traditional, got so much bigger than me that I was just like, I need somebody. That's why I brought in Alex. I was like, you got to quit your job at the city. Like, you should run this. So he had every big cannabis company that he could have went to go work for. They offered him crazy money, you know, oh, come work here. But he knew that I really had the assets, I had the licensing, and there was no bullshit behind me because I really own it. And. And, like, I own a lot of the real estate. I took all the money that I have and I just reinvested it into the industry. So now I made him the CEO of the company. And, you know, for me, I'm still running it, and whenever I need to, you know, whatever I need to do, I'm here to do it. But, yeah, that was my first time on tv. Sadiq Khan.
A
That's fine.
B
You know, that's hard. And I. And I think that's why I keep saying, like, just imagine bringing any brand that you're not, you know, subject to only selling in California. It's like, imagine right now, like, all right, you can only stream your records, like, only in Atlanta, but, like, anybody outside Atlanta can't listen to your records. Yeah, that's what's happening right now. You know, it's like, eventually when we branch out and this shit becomes federally legal, like, it's a trillion dollar business.
A
It's a. So California can't sell weed to, like, what's another state that weed is leaked? Vegas is Leo.
B
Yeah, right.
A
They can't sell weed to Vegas.
B
Nope. Because it's still a Schedule 1 drug. And because it's in the same category as heroin and lsd, you're not allowed to cross state lines.
A
So all the weed in Vegas is grown in Vegas?
B
Yes.
A
So every state that's legal, all that weed is grown there?
B
Yes.
A
That's dumb as hell, right? Ain't that stupid?
B
Stupid is not the word. But, like, you got logic one plus one. I got logic one plus one. There's so many people behind government. These big, like, corporate companies, these crazy people, they have no idea what the. Is going on in the weed industry because all they care about is, like, the, you know, clicking numbers and like I said, there's so many big hundreds of millions of dollars of, you know, suits and ties that they want to control it. Like alcohol. Alcohol, a trillion dollar industry. They want to control the weed industry. But I'm not going nowhere. Like, they already, you know, how they fucking with me. They just sent the national. Listen to this. You're not going to believe this. So there's people that are up there that are competing with me, right, that they would. But they have hundreds of millions of dollars and they operate in the red, so they're not even profitable. They're losing money every month. But they could do that because they're raising more money, raising more money. A lot of them are MSO companies, they're stocks. So they just fool people into like, oh, invest into this mso. You're going to be. The stocks are going to go up times 10. And from my opinion, I think that government with me, because there's so many people out there that don't want me to win, you know, and that's just with any business, right? Haters, People like, they don't want me to win. They don't want to see someone like me winning. But, yeah, now, you know, I'm keep going, I'm not moving. I fixed the stickers for them. You know, I say, you just should have told me. I would have, I would have done whatever.
A
Right.
B
But so, yeah, no, I love that you're down to sit with Trump because I think we could set that up, make that happen. I think that, you know, that would go worldwide, you know?
A
Yeah.
B
Do you see yourself getting into the cannabis industry? Do you see yourself building a brand and, and taking it around the world?
A
Yeah, one day for sure. I think you make a lot of money if you do it the right.
B
Way and also kind of opportunity for people on your team as well to, you know, give them that side of it so you can continue to, you know, do what you're doing best and, you know, I know you got TJ and, you know, great people on your team that would be that were they have a passion for cannabis, that would be a great addition and, you know, somewhere for them to fit in, to run and to do. So let's talk a little more about, like, what's going on in LA right now. I know you've seen the fires. Yeah, thank you for coming out to our city. That fucking mean the world to us. We got 21 Savage in LA during the hardest time that we've ever had. So, like, what do you think is happening with the fire? Do you think this shit is natural? Do you think someone started this shit?
A
I, I don't see the fire.
B
You haven't seen it online?
A
I saw it. But when you get here, it feel regular. Oh, it don't feel like nothing crazy.
B
Is going on Just wait till you go down Malibu all piece. You know where Nobu Malibu is?
A
Yeah.
B
The whole thing burned.
A
Nobu gone.
B
Nobu's still there. It made it. But that whole strip right there, it all burned.
A
So it ain't hit la.
B
Oh, yeah. It hit the Pacific Palisades. It hit the Hollywood Hills. My old house I used to live in in Malibu burned to ashes.
A
Oh, it hit the Hollywood Hills.
B
It hit the Hollywood Hills. Yep. Hit the Hollywood Hills.
A
Why they didn't put it out, though? Like, what is the. Why they can't put it out?
B
They're saying there was no water in the fire hydrants. And, you know, California has such a weird way of operating.
A
Yeah.
B
That we don't really know what the happened.
A
It ain't no water but the ocean right there, though.
B
Yeah. So right.
A
Ain't we right by the ocean?
B
I wish. I wish everybody thought like you. It's one plus one. They don't want to take from the ocean because they say it's going to up the wildlife, like the plants and the trees. But they didn't take from the ocean and everything burned. It's not just the ocean, though. It's. They had big budget cuts. They. They cut the fire department budget by $150 million. So LA went on fire and essentially they cut off a lot of the staff. But no, this is. This is the craziest time that. This is the craziest time that I think anyone ever been in LA is.
A
What starts a wildfire, though. Like, where do it come from?
B
So we had the Santa Ana winds. So it was like heavy, heavy winds. And in California, we have laws that you can't just, you know, clean up all the dead trees and you can't just clean up all the brush because it's called Cequa. It's like California Environmental act of, you know, like, there could be an endangered species or endangered animal. So they had let all the dead trees, all the brush, all the weeds for so many years pile up everywhere. So imagine like you go outside your backyard. Like, okay, your fence right here, you're fenced in. All your. Everything's clean. But outside your backyard. Oh, no, you're not allowed to touch any of the brush. You can't clean none of that. You need a permit. So, yeah, it was like a. Like a domino effect. Like everything just.
A
But how do wind and how do it equal fire? That's what I'm saying.
B
So it sparks from. A lot of the time, the electricity, like the electrical poles from the wind will get knocked down and it just takes one spark to hit the, to hit the brush and then it's like it starts so slow and then it goes so fast.
A
So it's like wind knocking some over and then boom. Fire.
B
Yep. I mean, there's multiple theories that everybody has. Like, I was just watching Mel Gibson. He's like, okay, yeah, for sure. It was, was the wins and the. In the polls. Okay. He was on Joe Rogan. He's like, yeah, okay. Yeah, basically like somebody started it.
A
Right.
B
You know? But yeah, it's crazy. I mean, and I know, I know you have a. I know you have a. You do charity work, right? And I know we've had these fires. Would you be up to doing something for la?
A
Yeah, for sure, for sure. Yeah.
B
Love that, Love that. So you have the Leading By Example foundation where you help kids with financial literacy. What motivated you to open that foundation and can you tell me a little bit about it?
A
Just growing up, like when I first started getting money and stuff, like, I. I didn't really know, like to pay taxes or open up a bank account. Just small things. So I thought like, damn, it's probably hella more kids that's grew up how I grew up that don't know this stuff too. So I was just like, I'm gonna make something to help them type shit.
B
Are you active with the foundation?
A
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
B
And this foundation, it's in Atlanta, but.
A
Like when we first did it, we did like a online course. So it was for like a lot of people, the bank account campaign. But my foundation, like, I do like Christmas drives, back to school drives, Thanksgiving giveaways, and all that type of stuff. And I donate to other like, initiatives too. In Atlanta too.
B
How did you start that?
A
First it was this. It's this lady named Miss Fly Style. Lady Fly Style, whatever. She like an older, older woman and she used to do like her own give back to school stuff, but it was smaller. And she's a friend of Mama Fly Style. She a friend of like somebody I know. So we partner with her and then I ended up doing my own thing. But she still helps too. Type. Yeah.
B
So you're so well respected across the music industry. What do you think it took to get to this level? Where you at? I know you went through, through hell, but, you know, you're one of the most respected people in the music industry. What do you think it took you to get there?
A
I don't know. I ain't never thought about it. I just be being me. Just regular. Just be you, I guess. Right? Keep it real.
B
So with collaborate, you've done so many dope collaborations. You've been around so many cool people. How did these collabs come about? Are they reaching out to you? Is it.
A
They go both ways. Like, sometimes they reach out, sometimes I reach out. It's just sometimes they label reach out. It used to be like, different scenarios, but everywhere you can think of it. That's how I go. Anywhere you can think of. For real.
B
So how did you collaborate with Nudie? How did you find Nudie?
A
I grew up with Nudie. Okay, so that was more like just natural. Like, we call the same lady grandma. Like, she raised all of us. So it's like family thing. Yeah. We knew each other before. We was both rapping. Like, we knew each other as badass, like, kids. So that's like that. I wouldn't look at that as, like, no industry thing.
B
That's your brother, right? Yeah.
A
Yeah.
B
And then you signed him?
A
Nah, I ain't signed him.
B
You didn't sign Nudie? I think every. A lot of people been telling me you signed Nudie. You didn't sign?
A
No, I ain't sign them. He got his own record label.
B
Okay.
A
He owned his masters. He owned his. He got his own. Now, I never signed him, but I. I was. I wanted to sign them, but. Well, I didn't really want to sign him. He wouldn't do it, though. But he was about to sign a deal that didn't let him keep certain things. So I offered to give him the money that the label was trying to give him to hold off so that he could get those certain things in his contract. And he was like, nah. Cause you do enough for me. So somehow he bullied the label into goddamn agreeing to his terms anyway type.
B
Oh, yeah, yeah.
A
So he got it his way, but that's probably the closest I got to, like, doing anything. Like, we just brothers. Like, we family. So it probably looked like he signed to me because we all wanted type shit. But no, I never signed.
B
That's how close all you guys are. Like, tj, I'm like, right away thinking, oh, this one. You know, there's one family.
A
Yeah, it is one family. Off the show.
B
Yeah.
A
100.
B
So one of the biggest records in the world. Your song with Post Malone, how did that song come about? How did you connect with Post?
A
Me and Post got the same booking agent, Cheryl. He had sent the song, and I forgot what I was doing. It took me, like, four months to do that song, though.
B
Damn.
A
They kept asking, like, come on, come on. Send the verse in the verse. In the verse. I think I just didn't feel like rapping at the time, but I ended up doing. Doing the verse just randomly and it just blew up.
B
That's one of the biggest songs in the world.
A
Yeah, I know. It's crazy.
B
Crazy.
A
Yeah. Oh, God. Shout out to Post Malone, man. That's a good dude.
B
Hell yeah.
A
Yeah.
B
Got any more collaborations with him coming soon for sure.
A
Probably for sure.
B
Hell yeah.
A
I ain't talked to him in a minute. I gotta call him, see what he on.
B
Who have you not collaborated with yet? Besides Beyonce? You know, I gotta say that. That you want to collaborate with.
A
Rihanna. Okay, yeah, probably Rihanna. I probably. I want to do some with Snoop Dogg too. I feel like Snoop Dogg is just the ultimate. Just that he just like, Snoop Dogg is that to me, I don't know why he just didn't been through everything and he's still just around. Just still like him. Like, I do some with Snoop Dogg for sure.
B
That's hard.
A
Yeah.
B
You know, when I was younger, I should be around all these guys and I. It's funny because I remember I was with Suge at. At Houston's and Xzibit was there at Houston's, and I was like, I had just turned 16. Like, literally, it was like, just like right after my 16th birthday and, you know, like, Xziva didn't know I was with Suge. He had. There were so many people around, but I had walked up to exhibit and I was like, X. I'm like, like, I really want to give you this weed, bro. Like, I got the best OG Kush in la. And, you know, if I give you something. And he looked left, he looked right. He probably looked at me like, like, man, he just approached. He's like, oh, just wait. Just wait, you know? And I'm like, no, like, I pulled out the weed in Houston. I really need to give you some of this weed. Like, I'm already thinking, like, I'm always giving Sug and people weed. So, like, it's just normal. And I'm in Houston's and I got this ounce of weed on me. So I was 16. I hadn't seen exhibit for 20 years. And then just recently Exhibit opened up his own weed shops. And then he had approached me through some friends like, yo, I really want to work with traditional. Like, I want to do if. If you can help with traditional, if you can help with some whatever. Like, I want to work with traditional and I also want to put all your stuff in my stores and we should lock In. So we. We had. We started talking. He just invited me to his show. He did a show out here in L. A. And I want you to show a bunch of old school. Matt 10 fucking, you know, bunch of old school guys. And Snoop was there. Snoop performed that night. Xzibit performed that night. And I had told him the story. I'm like, I don't know if you remember me, bro, but, like, when I was a kid, I walked up to you in Houston and I was trying to give you weed.
A
Yeah.
B
And now I'm selling you, like, tons of weed to all your stores, right? And he's like, man, that's crazy. And the. Like, we're sitting in the. We got, like, a Sprinter van. We're going around LA in the Sprinter van. He taking me to Snoop Dogg concert, doing all this, and I'm like, no, bro. Like, for real. Like, I was with Suge that night. I was trying to give you weed, and you got shook. Yeah, he was shook. But now it's funny because, like, now I got X hitting me up like, yo, hey, what you up to? Like, want to come to this concert?
A
Yeah, you know, full circle.
B
It's crazy. Yeah, you know, crazy. So right now, in your career, you've done so much, so many accomplishments. Do you see yourself branching off into other genres of music?
A
Genres?
B
Yeah, like. Like country?
A
Nah, hell, rbnb, R B. I probably. Nah, I ain't. I ain't finna make no R B. I listen to it, though.
B
I see you singing a little R.
A
B. Yeah, I sang at home. I ain't finna start trying to be no singer, though. I don't think that's what they like me for. I'mma stick to doing what got me where I'm, you know.
B
Okay.
A
You ain't finna start growing cocaine, is you?
B
No way.
A
All right.
B
No, no, no.
A
We gonna stay in our lane.
B
Absolutely. I like that. That's a good one. No, I'm not gonna start growing cocaine. Then they're really coming for me.
A
Right.
B
So what about other, like, other parts of, like, industry? Would you be into acting? Would you do some acting?
A
Yeah, I do some acting. If they pan. Because I heard they don't be paying that good. Yeah, they got to be giving me some money, man.
B
I like that.
A
I want to do some Elon Musk guy. I build some shit. Build a goddamn car or some shit, and then just sell these. Sell these cars and just be. Become the richest person in the world. Just. That's the type of shit I want to do, like, different Shit. Shit that, that nobody even know that I'm behind it, but I'm doing it type shit.
B
Would you smoke a blunt with Elon Musk?
A
For sure. I smoke one with Elon Musk for sure.
B
All right, we're gonna make that happen. We're gonna figure out how to make this happen.
A
Yeah, sure.
B
We're gonna get to Trump. Talk about the legalization is weed. That's his right hand right there.
A
Right?
B
We're gonna talk. Like, I'm sure they would be interested in sitting down and having a conversation about. Well, also, you could, you know, contribute to Tesla. You know, I know, like we say this, but this is real as. Like, this could really happen. Like, we could go with Elon Musk and we could create a 21 savage fucking rocket ship, you know, a flying car, something cool. Like, I really need to holler Elon Musk about, you know, power consumption in the cannabis industry. Like, you see everything going on over here. I wish we could create some kind of alternative, you know, power source to, for these operations. Because I'm paying, you know, 250,000amonth just in this facility for the Department of Water and Power. So every month, rain or shine, whether I'm winning or losing, the, the Department of Water and Power, they're like the IRS. They get 200 grand. 250. 200 grand. 250. Just for real, Just from one location. So I think that Elon would have an alternative power source for all these huge operations of cannabis. But one would be better for the environment. Two, it'll help people like me not have to pay $250,000 to the Department of Water and Power when there's so many better alternative energy sources out there.
A
Right? But I think battery power, this, this.
B
Is so much high power. And we need Elon Musk. He would tell us better. You know, Elon could set Elon Musk and Donald Trump can frame the cannabis industry into a multi trillion dollar industry.
A
Smoke.
B
He smoked on Joe Rogan's podcast.
A
Oh, he did?
B
Yeah. Oh, he did. So, and, and he the richest man in the world, right? You know, you know, the one thing that, you know, that's, that's why I like, that's why I have so much respect for you. I got so much respect for Trump, I got so much respect for Elon because these guys got so much money. They don't. Donald Trump doesn't need to be running the world. Elon Musk doesn't need to be sitting there running, running the world with Donald Trump. But he really love America. They really want to make America better, you know? So, yeah, some things people will agree. Some things people will disagree. But I'm not worried about no politics stuff. I'm just worried about legalizing weed and things that are one plus one, you know, a bunch of logic. Like what? Like, weed is schedule one and cocaine is schedule two.
A
Right.
B
How does it. This ain't adding up. Somebody got to tell us, like, are we reading it right? Are you sure that that's the law? You know, like, we're literally asking the attorney when I already know it's 100 true, you know, so I'm already asking the attorney, like, is this true? Is this a hundred percent? But, yeah, no, that's a. That's a hundred percent. That's what it is. So. Yeah. Another cool question I got for you. So I know you love tattoos. Yeah. A bunch of tabs. You got a bunch of ink. Can you tell me three tattoos with meaning? The meaning behind them?
A
Three tattoos. Wouldn't mean I got rest in peace to skinny. Well, C.J. and I got rest in peace Skinny on one of these sides, and then I got rest in peace Larry on one side. So three of my friends.
B
That's real.
A
Yeah.
B
So there's millions of guys out there. Millions of people out there, you know, in the music industry. They're trying to get to where you are. There's millions of people out there. They look up to you. What would be your message for everybody out there trying to make it, trying to achieve anywhere close to what you've achieved in this industry?
A
What would be my message?
B
Your message?
A
Just keep doing what you. What you believe in. Keep going. Keep trying. Because I don't know what happened. I just tried some, and it just worked. For real.
B
Did you know that X was going to be as big a song as it was?
A
I knew it was gonna do something, but I ain't. I don't be knowing how big nothing gonna be for real. But I knew, like, it was a good song. I liked it.
B
It. So how about. How long did it take you to make Savage Mode the album? Yep.
A
That was so long ago, bro. Next year I make 10 years since I did that.
B
10 years, and it's still maybe a month.
A
Maybe a month. Maybe two months.
B
Yeah, it's pretty fast. Yeah, that's pretty fast.
A
Two months maximum, though, for sure.
B
So I think one thing that the world wants to know because, you know, everybody deals with, you know, I know everybody deals with rap beef differently. Right? Everybody got their own way of dealing with it. What do you think about all the rap beef that's going on right now? What do you think about what's going on with Kendrick and Drake? Do you think that that is it to the point of no return? Or do you think people could squash all that and it's just for publicity?
A
Oh, I don't know. I don't really believe in rap beef. Like, I don't. I'm not a. I don't come from that world, though. Like, I feel like it depends, like, what world you come from. Like, if you come from, like, book. Like your book bag used to have, like, raps in it, and then. Cool. I feel like those type of people, like, that's like, their world. Like, that's what they do. But I don't come from that world, so I don't believe in rap beef. If you say certain about me in the song, I'm gonna slap the out you. When I see you.
B
Oh, my God, you gonna have to.
A
Stand on that shit. When you see me. Like, I don't really believe in, like, certain. That's just me, though. But I'd be watching battle rap and, like, dudes will be on stage, and the dude will be like, yeah, I slap your daughter. And they be taking it. They be standing right there, like, just taking it. So it's like, if you. If you sign up for that, then you gotta, you know? But I ain't trying to get in no rap beef. I don't want no rap beef.
B
That's real.
A
Yeah. I be chilling.
B
So can we expect the album from you soon?
A
I don't know. We just see how go. I'm working. I'm. I'm working. I'm chilling right now, though. I'm taking a break. For real.
B
What's the goal for 20, 25?
A
300 million.
B
I like that.
A
300 million.
B
I like that. You know, mean the world to me that you came on here today.
A
Yeah, for sure. You know, I said I was coming.
B
Oh, no. You got a solid, solid word. I made this for you. I know you don't want to. I know you don't want to get stoned, but I think that me and TJ are going to take some hits off of this. Where TJ at?
A
TJ ain't going to smoke. That's why you done snuck up out of here.
B
He snuck up out.
A
Gonna take no hit.
B
What you think of that?
A
That hard? But how. How do it work, though?
B
I'm gonna show you.
A
Yeah, smoke it.
B
Yeah, let me smoke it.
A
I ain't smoking it.
B
Where's the lighter at passing that torch. Lighter right there. I'm gonna show you exactly how to smoke it.
A
Yeah, he ain't. He ain't gonna do none of that.
B
All right, hey, we got.
A
We gotta show the camera that.
B
Hey, Austin, you're picking that up on the. Hey, Jess, this don't work. This one work?
A
Yeah.
B
Show them the logo real quick.
A
So it's one big blunt.
B
Got it. One big ass blunt.
A
Somebody rolled it or like how you do it.
B
They rolled especially for you. They literally did this custom.
A
Man, that's some crazy right there, man.
B
That's the new way to smoke a.
A
Lot of weed, bro.
B
Yeah, it's like a QPO. It's like 4 ounces.
A
That's 4 ounces.
B
4 ounces, man.
A
Get the out of here. I'm telling you, he's smoking. No like that. That's how the WI fi starts right there.
B
Dead as.
A
Hell. No.
B
Hell, you think this is going to make you paranoid?
A
Hell yeah. Hell, I'm being this. Looking at everybody like y' all trying to kill me. For real.
B
No hard. I'm pass to just pass it to where TJ at. He need to smoke this.
A
TJ ain't f to smoke that.
B
I know.
A
We could bet money he ain't.
B
Well, I appreciate you so much. I think I want to get you some food. I hope you like the gift I got you.
A
For sure.
B
You know, I hope you put. I know you. I know you're gonna be able to fill that thing up.
A
Yeah, for sure.
B
I already know, but my brother.
A
Yeah.
B
Thank you so much for everything. You know, this. This is. This is like. For me, it's like, I really feel like our industry is hurting so much right now, and there's not enough attention on our industry. And the fact that you're doing something like this, there's such a big amount of cannabis people that would love to hear all this, what we talked about today, because we're not talking just about rap stuff. We're talking about like, I want to make weed normal. You know, I want normalize weed. Like, weed can. Should be for everybody. If people are drinking alcohol, people should be able to smoke weed.
A
Yeah.
B
You know, and like all of our friends and people that we know that have been locked up for weed, prison time, like.
A
Yeah.
B
And what cocaine is. Schedule two weed, schedule one.
A
Right.
B
Your microphone, your voice. I feel like as a team, we could get enough people together to lobby and be like, now, this is what needs to happen. So let's make that happen.
A
Yeah, let's do it.
B
Let's do it. Ready to get some Some Jamaican food?
A
Yeah.
B
Yeah, let's do it.
A
Come on. Who?
B
All right, so right now we're doing the 21 shot challenge. I'm gonna give you 21 shots. Every shot you make, you get a pound of weed. All we.
A
Next. Too much pressure.
B
That's one one for seven right there. All right, so one for seven. Figured it two for. Two for eight.
A
Solid. Got.
B
All right, this is the 21. You got it? 21 right here. 21. My boyfriend killed it right there. Just wrapped up with 21. Savage, my guy. Traditional talk show show locked in.
A
Yeah, y' all can't miss this.
Podcast Summary: Traditional Talk - Episode Featuring 21 Savage
Episode Title: 21 Savage on Weed, Wealth & Why He Doesn’t Do Rap Beef
Release Date: June 25, 2025
Introduction
In the latest episode of Traditional Talk, host Aaron welcomes international superstar and Grammy-winning artist 21 Savage for an in-depth conversation about cannabis, his journey in the music industry, and his perspectives on societal issues. The episode, released on June 25, 2025, delves into 21 Savage’s personal experiences with cannabis, his entrepreneurial ventures, and his advocacy for federal legalization.
Personal Anecdotes: First Experience with Weed
The conversation begins with Aaron reminiscing about his first experience with cannabis, which parallels 21 Savage's early encounters. 21 Savage recounts his initiation into smoking weed during middle school:
21 Savage [03:34]: "The first time I smoked weed, I think I was in middle school. Maybe elementary. No, middle. Like, sixth grade."
He describes rolling a blunt in a brown paper bag and the subsequent effects, highlighting how even mid-quality weed could lead to significant intoxication at a young age.
Selling Weed and Legal Encounters
Transitioning to his past involvement in the cannabis trade, 21 Savage shares his experiences of selling weed during his youth and the challenges that came with it. He narrates a pivotal incident where he was caught by the police:
21 Savage [08:38]: "I got shot selling weed? Yeah, kind of. It was slick. Over weed?"
He details a specific event where police found him with weed and a scale, leading to a confrontation that ultimately didn’t result in severe consequences due to his juvenile status and his mother's intervention.
21 Savage [11:29]: "The officer kept it clear. He said, I ain't gonna lock you up. He like, if you gonna sell weed and have a scale, why would you do it and smoke weed in the car..."
This experience instilled a sense of caution in him, influencing his decision never to smoke in a car again, even as an adult.
Cannabis Industry Insights and Legal Status
The discussion shifts to the broader cannabis industry, where both Aaron and 21 Savage express frustration over its current legal standing and regulation. They highlight the discrepancies in how cannabis is treated compared to other substances:
Aaron [14:53]: "I think so, like health wise."
Aaron [17:07]: "It's in the same category as LSD and heroin. So schedule one drugs."
21 Savage emphasizes the economic potential of legalizing cannabis federally, arguing that it could transform the industry into a multi-trillion-dollar market:
21 Savage [17:59]: "I think the weed is better for you than alcohol. What do you think?"
Aaron adds his perspective on the overregulation and taxation hindering the cannabis industry’s growth:
Aaron [16:27]: "It's so expensive... the over regulation is from government."
They advocate for removing federal restrictions to enable interstate and international commerce, thus unlocking significant economic benefits.
Advocacy for Federal Legalization and Global Impact
Aaron passionately discusses his mission to lobby for federal legalization, suggesting influential figures like Donald Trump and Elon Musk could play pivotal roles:
Aaron [17:58]: "I think something that's huge is... federal legalization, right?"
Aaron [18:22]: "I want to sit with Donald Trump and I want to talk to him about legalizing cannabis."
He underscores the disparity in scheduling between cannabis and substances like cocaine, questioning the rationale behind current laws.
Aaron [52:32]: "How does it... this ain't adding up. Somebody got to tell us, like, are we reading it right?"
21 Savage shares his interaction with the Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, highlighting a significant step towards global cannabis normalization:
Aaron [31:05]: "By decriminalizing cannabis, they raised the quality and the safety of the product, but also raised literally millions and millions and millions of dollars in relation to taxes being paid."
This collaboration showcases the potential for international cooperation in advancing cannabis legalization.
Cannabis Preferences and Usage
The conversation lightens as Aaron and 21 Savage discuss their favorite strains and smoking methods. 21 Savage mentions his preference for blunts, specifically Swishers, and shares his favorite strains like "Mind Blown":
21 Savage [21:05]: "Mind Blown, but don't nobody really got it like that."
He also touches upon the impact of cannabis on his creativity, admitting that while it sometimes hampers his focus, it can also shift his mindset beneficially:
21 Savage [24:19]: "Sometimes, it'll just put you, like, in another little mind frame."
Collaborations and Music Industry Dynamics
21 Savage reflects on his numerous collaborations within the music industry, emphasizing the organic nature of these partnerships. He recounts his collaboration with Post Malone, detailing how it evolved from sending verses to creating a globally recognized track:
21 Savage [45:13]: "He just got shook. But now it's funny because, like, now I got X hitting me up like, yo, hey, what you up to?"
He also shares his aspirations to collaborate with icons like Rihanna and Snoop Dogg, illustrating his deep-rooted connections in the industry.
Philanthropy: Leading By Example Foundation
Dedicated to giving back, 21 Savage discusses his Leading By Example Foundation, which focuses on financial literacy for youth. Inspired by his own lack of financial knowledge growing up, the foundation conducts various community-driven initiatives:
21 Savage [40:50]: "I do like Christmas drives, back to school drives, Thanksgiving giveaways..."
He credits Miss Fly Style for inspiring the foundation’s early efforts and continues to expand its reach through partnerships and donations.
Views on Rap Beef and Industry Respect
When addressing the prevalent rap beef culture, 21 Savage expresses his disinterest and detachment from such conflicts:
21 Savage [57:04]: "I don't really believe in rap beef. Like, I don't. I'm not a... I don't come from that world, though."
He emphasizes his focus on maintaining authenticity and avoiding unnecessary conflicts, contrasting his approach with the aggressive nature often seen in the industry.
Future Ambitions and Industry Expansion
Looking ahead, 21 Savage envisions expanding his influence into the cannabis industry, aiming to build a brand that can operate on an international scale. He discusses the potential for innovation in cannabis cultivation and distribution, including leveraging alternative energy sources to reduce operational costs:
21 Savage [50:19]: "I want to build some shit... and then just sell these cars and just be... become the richest person in the world."
Aaron and 21 Savage also dream of collaborations with figures like Elon Musk to revolutionize the cannabis industry through sustainable practices and technological advancements.
Closing Remarks and Challenges
As the episode nears its end, Aaron and 21 Savage engage in a light-hearted challenge, attempting to smoke a large blunt together. Despite 21 Savage's apprehensions about smoking in a public setting due to paranoia, the segment underscores their camaraderie and mutual respect.
The episode concludes with Aaron expressing gratitude for 21 Savage's participation and reiterating their shared mission to normalize cannabis and advocate for its legalization.
Notable Quotes:
21 Savage on his first time smoking weed:
"I got kicked out seventh grade. Then I got kicked out eighth grade and then ninth grade."
On federal legalization:
"I want to sit with Donald Trump and I want to talk to him about legalizing cannabis." [18:22]
On the economic potential of legal weed:
"When you have interstate commerce, you can do any kind of commerce for weed. You're only allowed to operate per state because weed is still federally illegal." [16:27]
On avoiding rap beef:
"I don't really believe in rap beef. Like, I don't. I'm not a... I don't come from that world, though." [57:04]
On philanthropy:
"I was just like, I'm gonna make something to help them..." [40:21]
Conclusion
This episode of Traditional Talk offers a comprehensive look into 21 Savage's multifaceted life, intertwining his personal experiences with broader discussions on cannabis legalization and industry dynamics. Through candid storytelling and thoughtful insights, 21 Savage not only shares his journey but also advocates for meaningful change in the perception and regulation of cannabis.
For those interested in the intersection of cannabis and culture, alongside unfiltered conversations with influential figures, this episode of Traditional Talk is a must-listen.
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