What if the secret to sustained business performance isn't strategy, efficiency, or even culture, but love? In this episode, renowned researcher and bestselling author Marcus Buckingham joins host Brandon Laws to discuss his new book Design Love In: How to Unleash the Most Powerful Force in Business. Marcus makes a compelling, data-backed case that "love" isn't a soft concept. It's the most predictive force in driving employee loyalty, customer behavior, and long-term business value. From a behind-the-scenes look at Disney's most beloved executive to a cautionary tale about a Netflix CMO using AI to crank out 26 performance reviews in 20 minutes, this conversation is packed with insights that will fundamentally change how you think about leadership. If you care about building a workplace where people genuinely thrive and a business that sustainably grows, you cannot afford to miss this one.

Key Timestamps

[00:00:00] — Introduction: Marcus shares the personal, vulnerable story of selling his company and watching love drain out of the organization he built — the catalyst for everything in Design Love In.

[00:04:00] — The crisis of trust: Why we're living in the least trusting workplace environment ever recorded, what AI and surveillance are doing to human connection, and how leaders must respond differently today.

[00:07:00] — Experience Intelligence: Marcus introduces the core leadership competency that top business schools don't teach — and why experiences, not directives, are the only path to sustained behavior change.

[00:09:00] — The Josh Effect: Marcus recounts his days shadowing Josh D'Amaro, a senior Disney executive, and what his instinctive, human-first leadership style reveals about what great experience design actually looks like in practice.

[00:18:00] — The business case for love: How data from an 8,000-store retailer proved that the relationship between experience and outcomes isn't linear — it's a hockey stick — and why "fives" are the only scores that matter.

[00:24:00] — Why fives and fours are fundamentally different: Marcus explains why lumping top scores together (net promoter score, top-two-box) is a critical mistake, and why the word customers and employees use to describe their best experiences is always love.

[00:29:00] — The Experience Continuum: A framework for understanding the spectrum from exploitative to loving experiences — and how to identify where your organization currently falls.

[00:36:00] — AI, performance reviews, and the Netflix CMO: A real-world cautionary tale about using AI in ways that quietly destroy the very force that drives business value.

[00:42:00] — The Five Feelings of Love: Marcus breaks down the sequential blueprint leaders can use to intentionally design love into any experience — control, harmony, significance, warmth of others, and growth.

[00:50:00] — One thing you can do tomorrow: A simple, 15-minute weekly ritual that activates the first three feelings of love and is the single most powerful thing a leader can do to start designing love in.

[00:54:00] — Where to find Marcus and the book: Design Love In and the new company, Love That.

About the Guest

Marcus Buckingham is a researcher, entrepreneur, and bestselling author with roots at Gallup, where he joined in 1987. He has spent decades studying leadership, strengths, and what makes people thrive at work. His new book, Design Love In: How to Unleash the Most Powerful Force in Business, makes the data-driven case that love — properly understood — is the most powerful and predictive force in business. Learn more at designlovein.com or lovethat.com.

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