Tyler Marshall - AIM Grand Doubles Champion | Recorded LIVE at the 127th Grand American | Ep. 185

Summary

Episode Overview

Podcast: Trap Talk From The Back Fence
Hosts: Zach Nannini & Richard "Ricky" Marshall Jr.
Date: August 7, 2026
Location: Grand American, Building 106
Guests: Tyler Marshall (Ricky’s son, collegiate and ATA shooter)

This engaging episode features hosts Zach and Ricky broadcasting live from the Grand American. Their special guest is Tyler Marshall, Ricky’s son and emerging trapshooting star, fresh off his doubles championship win at the AIM (Academics, Integrity, Marksmanship) Grand Nationals. The discussion offers an in-depth look at Tyler’s shooting journey, the dynamics of coming up in a trapshooting family, technical shooting discussions, collegiate shooting life, and practical advice for aspiring shooters.

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Main Topics & Key Discussion Points

1. The Heat at the AIM Championships and Tyler’s Big Win

[02:00] - [04:13]

• The hosts kick things off with a recap of a scorching hot week at the Grand during the AIM Championships.
• Tyler Marshall is introduced as the 2026 AIM Grand Doubles Champion after shooting a perfect 100 doubles.
• Ricky notes, “He’s been shooting really good this year, especially doubles. He’s got five hundreds in doubles so far.” [05:08]
• Conversation celebrates Tyler’s accomplishments, from Sub-Junior All-American to winning multiple state and national events.

Notable quote:

• Zach: “It’s nice to see the progression as a shooter… there’s a difference between decent and dominant, and being able to go from decent to dominant and run hundreds in doubles consistently—that’s big.” [07:54]

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2. Tyler’s Shooting Evolution: Technical Insights & Training

[08:49] - [14:24]

• Tyler discusses overcoming early challenges as a left-handed, one-eyed shooter.
• Shifted technique to the "Sean Holly way", starting doubles with the right bird first—an approach beneficial for his eye dominance.
• Immediate improvement in scores after the change: “I started shooting that way… that week I broke 99, 98, 99 in three doubles, and beat Dad…” [09:24]
• The use of tape on shooting glasses is addressed—more as a "security blanket" than a necessity for Tyler.
• Discussion on rolling guns vs. holding steady: “There’s a lot of shooters that use a rolling gun... we always talk about ‘hold still, see the target’ as our main tip, but for some, that movement works.” [14:07]

Notable moment:

• Ricky shares the story of Tyler’s first 100 straight as a young shooter, detailing the nerves and excitement of the moment (asthma puffer, last post tension). [16:22]

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3. Family, Pressure, and Finding Your Own Path

[22:28] - [27:16]

• Ricky and Tyler open up about the pressures of growing up in a successful shooting family.
• Tyler credits his parents' “never pressured me… always had the choice” approach for keeping shooting enjoyable. [25:19]
• Contrasts Tyler’s self-driven path with his brother Trey, who chose not to pursue shooting.
• Zach highlights the pitfalls of overbearing parents in shooting sports and celebrates the freedom to choose.

Notable quote:

• Tyler: “The biggest thing from you guys is just giving me the simple choice… I feel like a lot of people, even adults, still have their parents riding them about shooting. I never had that.” [25:19]

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4. Embracing Individuality & Overcoming Comparisons

[29:19] - [32:12]

• Zach highlights the challenge of following in Ricky’s legendary footsteps.
• Tyler is praised for “making a name for himself” and avoiding negative comparisons.
• Discussion of family competitiveness and the support received from major brands like Fiocchi.

Notable moment:

• Zach: “You could do things even greater than what your dad’s done if you put the effort in… You’re not just saying, ‘oh, I can’t get there.’” [30:02]

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5. Collegiate Competition & All-Around Shooting

[32:12] - [35:47]

• Moving to college (Lindenwood University) and life on a shooting team.
• Tyler embraces learning skeet and sporting clays in addition to trap.
• The college experience broadens skills and highlights the value of varied shooting disciplines.

Anecdote:

• Tyler describes learning from coaches and peers, enjoying sporting clays, and aiming to “shoot all around targets every way.” [36:12]

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6. Gear, Guns, and Shot Choices

[38:08] - [39:55]

• Tyler shares details about shooting the Krieghoff ACS combo (30” barrels, pro sporter stock), his move from Browning, and using Fiocchi shells.
• The technical setup is discussed for trap, skeet, and sporting performance.

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7. Overcoming Doubt, Adversity, and Advice for Young Shooters

[40:15] - [44:52]

• Tyler recounts being told by a high school teacher he was “too stupid” for college, only to find success, acceptance, and a home at Lindenwood.
• Ricky and Zach stress the destructiveness of discouragement: “You can’t cut someone’s knees out… you have to believe people can achieve if they try.” [43:04]
• Tyler’s journey from nearly attending trade school to thriving in college underscores resilience.

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8. Mental Game, Pre-shot Routine, and Advice

[46:19] - [53:03]

• As Tyler preps for the Grand American shoot-off, he notes, “See target, shoot target,” and describes the benefit of helping others to alleviate personal pressure. [46:19]
• Tyler’s pre-shot routine includes music to focus, and the “one shell at a time” mentality to avoid overthinking scores.
• On the mental challenge: “You worry about the end result before you even started. I look at my shell and just think, this is the shot I’m on.” [47:31]
• Discusses the importance of seeing his father as ‘coach’ during competitions to manage emotions.

Notable quote:

• Tyler: “As soon as we step out on the trap line, he is not my father anymore. He is my coach. That’s just how I have to see it.” [48:49]

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9. Technical Tips & Practice Philosophy

[50:03] - [53:03]

• Tyler explains his evolving hold points for singles—adjusting horizontally but not vertically.
• Ricky cautions against changing too many variables: “When you start playing with your height placement, you’re causing another error.” [51:00]
• On advice for young shooters: “Practice, practice, practice… it’s about figuring it out without the pressure of competition.” [52:08]
• Importance of confidence-building on the practice trap—“that’s where you build confidence.” [53:06]

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10. Final Shoutouts and Sponsors

[53:48] - [54:49]

• Tyler thanks Bear Pelt vests, Big Red, Krieghoff, and Fiocchi, with special appreciation for his mom: “We wouldn’t get to do a lot of this stuff without the support of Mom… Mom keeps everything together.” [54:37]
• Ricky echoes the importance of family support for competitive shooters.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• [03:30] Zach: “100 straight.”
  [05:08] Ricky: “He’s got five hundreds in doubles so far this year.”
  [09:49] Tyler: “Never, never have beat him in my entire life. And the first thing was doubles, which that was amazing to me.”
  [16:22] Ricky: "He's riding that thing like Seabiscuit. Boom."
• [25:19] Tyler: “I always had the choice… the biggest thing from you guys is just giving me the simple choice.”
• [29:32] Zach: “He’s one of the greatest trap shooters of all time… but you’re making your own name.”
• [36:12] Tyler: “I want to shoot like you. I want to shoot all around targets every way.”
• [47:31] Tyler: “I look at my shell and I say, okay, this shot, this is all I have to worry about. Not the five, not the next post, not the hundred, not the two hundred…”
• [48:49] Tyler: “As soon as we step out on the trap line, he is not my father anymore. He is my coach.”

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Technical Timestamps

• [02:00–03:20] Recap of AIM Championships, intro of Tyler’s double win
• [08:49–12:36] Technical adjustments: dealing with eye dominance, using tape, technique changes for doubles
• [22:28–27:16] Discussion on family influence and pressure in shooting sports
• [32:12–36:12] College team experience, learning new disciplines (skeet, sporting)
• [38:08–39:55] Gear and gun choices, Tyler’s equipment specifics
• [46:19–48:49] Shoot-off mindset, mental routine, managing pressure during competition
• [50:03–51:17] Details on hold points, avoiding variable overload in technique
• [53:48–54:49] Closing sponsor acknowledgments and gratitude to family

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Advice for Young Shooters

• Practice with purpose: “That’s the biggest thing—figuring it out without the pressure of competition.” [52:08]
• Embrace your individuality: Adapt your shooting style to fit you; not everyone fits the same mold.
• Take ownership & seek advice: Listen to peers and coaches, but be analytical and proactive in problem-solving.
• Enjoy the sport: Pressure should come from within, not from parents or others.

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Closing Thoughts

The episode provides insight both technical and personal into what it takes to succeed in trapshooting at a high level: open-mindedness, willingness to adapt, a supportive family environment, and a commitment to practice and self-analysis. Tyler Marshall’s evolution as both a shooter and person is celebrated, and the high-spirited rapport between hosts and guest makes for an entertaining listen that both novices and longtime shooters will appreciate.

Transcript

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Hello, trap talk listeners. I'm your host zach denani. I'm here with my co host Richard Marshall Jr. And we're with his son Tyler marshall. We're here at the grand building 106 shooting content and having fun. We're just getting wrapped up with the the aim championships this weekend and it has been a scorcher I mean, we've been out there and it's just this. The hottest it's been at the Grand. I remember.

[B]

I mean, as hot as it was. Yes. Today was. They said it was supposed to be warmer, and I think the temperature was warmer. There's about a, what, 20 mile an hour wind, Tyler.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

And I'm gonna tell you, it wasn't bad out there watching him. Shoot, I know he was hot, but not as sweat as it was yesterday. And folks, last night, for everybody that seen us out walking around, no, Zach did not jump into a pool before we walked around.

[A]

That was just. I was hot. I mean, I was leaking. You walk outside and you're like, man, I just got out of the shower all day long. And you're just like. But, but it's important to hydrate. There was a couple people that got dizzy. They got heat. Heat exhaustion out there. So make sure you guys are drinking lots of fluids. Get your water in, get your electrolytes. We talk about this on the show all the time, but this is going to be the year where you guys really need to press it and you really need to push it and be ready for it. But, you know, that being said, we want to interview Tyler today. Obviously. Rick, you can introduce your son. He's got some accolades.

[B]

I mean. Yeah, well, yeah, he does have a few accolades. We'd like. Zach said we just finished up with an aim. Tyler is the 20, 26 aim grand doubles champion.

[C]

Congratulations.

[A]

100 straight.

[B]

And there was two of you.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And you broke 20 and the other gentleman broke 19. He was a junior shooter. I know. I thought he was local from like Waterloo area. So just down the road I wasn't here. I was up at Shotgun Fest teaching, so I didn't get to see that. But I did make it back in time to watch him shoot singles. And he just got done breaking 200. Broke the 100 yesterday and 100 today in the wind and stuff, so. Which is nice. So good job to that, son.

[C]

Thank you. You did good.

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You made us proud. Yeah. We won't ask for the money for the shirt now.

[B]

It was questionable.

[A]

It was questionable. We call that gratis in the industry. Put it on my tab.

[B]

On the house. But so sugar. That's what his mom gave him as a nickname when he was born. He started shooting in 2019. He shot, you know, a little bit here and there. He did make the all American team as a sub Junior first team. And then he made the junior team first team last year. He won the junior World Doubles championship last year.

[A]

I've seen that. I was there for that.

[B]

Yeah, we were there. That was cool. Six way shoot off.

[C]

I think with that. Yeah, it came down to me. And Bruce Bradley. Yeah, it came down to me.

[B]

Bruce Bradley, James.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

And there was three others. I know they went out but Michael Gates was in it. Oh yeah, yeah. But Tyler, he's been on the Nebraska state team. He won the Nebraska State junior singles last year.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Got a shoot in the champion champs. But he has won multiple stuff around the country this year. He's been shooting really good his doubles. He's got five hundreds in double so far this year.

[C]

So.

[A]

Congratulations, son.

[C]

Thank you.

[B]

That's a hard feat to.

[A]

You know, it's not easy just have

[B]

one, you know, let alone at least five.

[C]

Two of those were lone hunters. I don't even think nine. There was any nine.

[B]

Yeah, you did at Missouri Fall handicap last year. You were down there for London Wood.

[C]

Yep.

[B]

He broke the loan 100, won that. And then this year Illinois State shoot on. Was it Tuesday's doubles? Yeah, I think it was. It was. Yeah. Broke alone. 198 was next time. I stood right next to him. Went dead lost dead loss on the next last post. And he didn't follow dad down the

[A]

rabbit hole, thank God.

[C]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

But you know Tyler's been to shoots the here at the Grand American. It was his very first shoot he ever attended and he was six days old.

[C]

Six days or a week old?

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Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. How much do you remember?

[C]

Yeah. Nothing.

[B]

Pretty.

[C]

Pretty much. Pretty much puking on myself.

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I just hanging around, you know, wearing depends like these acting. Tyler is going to be a sophomore at Lindenwood. Some of his major collegiate accolades was he did win the CCTL championship with a 199 out of 200. That was last year while we were all in Vegas shooting the Nevada State shoot. So he won that and then this year at acuis and we'll talk more about that. ACY is the issue we had getting there. But Tyler did win or broke 100 in the singles and a 99 in the doubles. So he did win the combined. Which is the HOA of trap.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So he was the number one collegiate trap shooter combined for the year. So that was awesome to see that. And then he did place in his class in super sporting.

[C]

So C class was it third place? Second.

[B]

Second, I think.

[C]

Yeah. We were shooting off for right upper third.

[B]

Yeah. So that was pretty cool. He the targets you shooting the shoot off were a little crazy. And he broke nine out of ten. And Scotty Robertson was standing there next to me. He's like, pretty good shoot. I said, well, I did start him at sporting when he was young and such, so. But we'll get in depth on Tyler shooting what his mom's helped him do.

[A]

Because a lot of it's his mom,

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folks just, you know, me telling her and. Because we'll get into that.

[C]

So.

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Welcome to the show, son.

[A]

Welcome to the show. Now I think we had Tyler on once before. It was a long time ago, wasn't it? For a little while.

[C]

I don't think I had any facial hair.

[A]

Yeah, I remember. It was fun having you on that one. But, but what I'll say is it's nice to see the progression as a shooter because when you started, you know, you were, you were decent and there's a lot of decent shooters out there. But, but there's a difference between decent and dominant, you know, and being able to go from decent to dominant and being able to run hundreds and doubles consistently. Being able to, you know, travel and compete at a. I mean there's not a lot of people that get to that point and there's a lot of people that get stuck in that, you know, window of, yeah, I'm good, I'm okay. I like this. But you know, they don't put in the time, the effort and the energy to get to the next level. So I guess let's take it back to day one when you started and I remember you coming around and shooting, kind of learning and then you got the Craig off. What have you done to really work on your game from then to now? What are the things that, that really elevated you and, and made these doubles come alive?

[C]

A big thing was learning from him. Obviously. I started off learning how to shoot from him and I hit a plateau with being one eyed and left handed. I, my like weak points were post four and five and I really, I, I sucked. I. Could I be lucky to hit a 9 out of 10 on, on those posts. Then I started to shoot. I got the idea from Wyatt and

[B]

then,

[C]

yeah, Sean Holly's way as well.

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First all the way.

[C]

Yeah. And I started shooting that way and

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I, it was, it was Wisconsin.

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Yeah, shoot.

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Four years ago and I broke my first 50. Dad, I want to try it. And I said okay. And we got shot practice and he broke 50 straight, his first 50 ever. And he's like. And that week he broke 99. 98. 99. Yeah. In the three doubles and he beat me with a 99 of one of the doubles. And literally, you know, before I could say, nice job, son, he's like, I beat you.

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Never, never have beat him in my entire life. And the first thing was doubles, which that was amazing to me.

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So it was cool. And, and Tyler, you know, he. He used to travel around folks with us as everybody, you know, knows Tyler and knows, you know, his older brother Trey. Trey never shot. Yeah, and we'll get into that kind of. Tyler can explain a lot of that stuff, but everybo him, you know, he'd come around and shoot a little bit, but he didn't want to shoot everything. And I like, okay, fine, shoot a few events. And Justin's like, I don't understand why he doesn't shoot everything. I was like, you don't want to. And I'm not going to pressure him into doing that. Yeah, because it don't work.

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Well, you. You have to. You have to want it on your own. And so, so, so walk me back. We passed some things. You started to make that transition from regular doubles to Sean Holly doubles, and you decided that was what you were going to do. Why did you decide that of the one eye or was it like, what was your feeling on that?

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For one, it was the one eye and for two, it drastically jumped my scores. I mean, I was going for hopefully a 93 to a 97, 98, 99. And then I finally hit the hundred last year at Illinois State shoot. And yeah, it just worked for me. I know some people struggle with it, some people can't. I mean, Wyatt has been doing it for years. Work for him.

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Yeah, of course, it's very successful for Sean Barrett. Ye.

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Yeah, there's a lot of shooters integrating it, but I guess every time I interview one, I want to know, you know what, what, what does it feel like? Do you just feel like you move better to the right or do you feel like you, you know, you. You want that second bird kind of hanging or. I mean, how do you like it?

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So as a one eyed shooter, if I am on 4 and 5, I go up to that left bird. I don't see the right target.

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I see, I don't, I don't know. Transferring over because the tape now, folks, just so everybody knows, Tyler technically does not need that tape on his lens. It's more of a. It's more of, you know, a safety blanket.

[A]

That's like bowling.

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He's doing great. You can get a 300 next shirt with Tyler.

[A]

He got 300 in bowling, but he's got other bumpers.

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But the deal is Is when we were shooting in Vernal several years ago and Tyler was on the 24 yard line, he broke a 99. He didn't have tape on.

[C]

I took it off.

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He's like I said, son. But he does have the deal. And the reason why is his mother, my wife Jody, she used to use tape, and she technically didn't need it, but it helped her. It was just. And there's a lot of people like that. Like, they need that. It's almost like you're looking down a tube, so to speak.

[C]

So you see that lead. It's a very defining.

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This is us, where we're just.

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I'm shooting and stuff.

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Exactly. So when Tyler, when he kept fine, we went back to it. And I'm like, hey, it works. You know, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Yeah, but one of the things when Tyler was doing that is I. I had him like, listen, hold your gun out a little bit now, folks. And I'm not a fan of this, but it does work for some people, and it works for Tyler. And that is. He moves a little bit on the call on that first shot.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

And that helps him. And then he transitions back over. Well, and.

[A]

And you know.

[B]

Oh, that's on the right bird on the right four and five.

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Yes.

[A]

So. So you're still on the left bird or you're moving all five. Like, are you calling pulling moving on every shot or just on the right side?

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Just on the. Just on four.

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Because it's such an angle. Because it's a deviant angle, maybe. So that makes sense.

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I don't do it so much on four. Maybe a little bit five. Just because it can beat me out there. If I don't move, if I'm not ready and I just hold, that thing will beat me out there and I'll shoot way behind it. Just.

[A]

And there's a lot of shooters that do use the rolling gun. I mean, we never interviewed Darryl Hannity, but his technique was a rolling press into the target. I mean, he never had a steel gun. No. And, you know, we talk all the time about your number one tip. Hold still, see the target. Because we're seeing it and we're reacting off of that movement. And then if you look at review, read Darrell's book, which I have, you know, he's like, in handicap. That was his claim to fame. He wanted to have that gun moving so that as everything was coming out, he was already in motion, he was already going. And that kept him very aggressive, which that could make sense on post 5 where you have that move. I've just never been able to get my eyes to do what I want them to do. If the gun's moving. Like I feel like if I'm moving, I look back. I've always looked back.

[B]

Sugar being one eye, you're not.

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You can't. Yeah, yeah, we can start shooting like that.

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So with. With Sugar, you know, he started when he wanted to start shooting. I mean, we got him a Browning 725 combo. Shout out to guns a little bit.

[A]

Tommy Nichols.

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Tommy's a good friend of mine. Everybody over there, he treated me right and took care of Tyler and. And we got him the gun. And. And he broke his first hundred straight with it.

[C]

Yep.

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And that was 20. 20 North Dakota State shooters Covid.

[A]

I remember that because you broke it too. Dude.

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I broke the 200 we were shooting with. It was me, Jack. Jack Canals, Chris Gardner.

[C]

Max. Chris.

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Chris Gardner. And it was Max Christensen. No, no, no, no, no.

[C]

Who was it? Some nameless Lane Zorbatrisky.

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Zorbatrisky.

[C]

Sorry.

[B]

Lane. Zane.

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Lane.

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Lane. He hasn't shot in a while.

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Whatever your name is, we miss you.

[B]

No, he hasn't shot in a while. Yeah, but on the second hundred we were shooting and Jack missed on the second or third post.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And that was your Jack at a hellacious. Yeah. Yeah. And he missed and everybody broke him. Except Jack, of course. We go. The second box breaks him. Go to the third box, everybody breaks him. On the last trap, we're rolling along and Zorbatrisky gets a high right. And this thing is, you know, and we were like, ah. And Tyler throws up and he calls. Now, Tyler was number five shooter and I was one. And the reason I always did that was, you know, hey, if he shoots bad, I'm falling. No one can complain. Well, he gets the same target. And I'm like, oh. And I'm like, oh, he didn't shoot.

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No.

[C]

Oh, no.

[B]

He's riding that thing like Seabiscuit.

[A]

Boom.

[B]

And he shoots. And I'm like. And it smokes. And I'm like. And I look down. Of course, he's left handed, you know. And I looked down, he's like, what? I was on it. And I'm like, okay. So we change and we ended up, you know, we're rolling right along then. And I get to the last post and I said, you know, please, Lord, just let him break this first hundred. Please. Because he broke his first 75 that day.

[C]

That was my first 50 75. And I was gonna call Mom.

[B]

You wanted to call Mom?

[C]

I wanted to call Mom. I was like, I want to go shooting.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So we had a gentleman behind us that actually got some pictures and. And video.

[C]

They're out there somewhere.

[B]

Yeah. And. And what? He knew what was going on. It was his first hundred, I guess. Well, Tyler, on the last post, I couldn't see him because he's facing the other way, you know. And I look over and Jack's like, look at him. Like, what? I'm like, you good? He's like, yeah, but. And I'm like, oh. Like, he's just nervous, whatever. You know, he's having a freaking asthma attack. He.

[A]

Yeah, he's hitting the buffer.

[C]

I was hitting the puffer. Yeah.

[B]

Like four times in five shots.

[A]

We had to be careful. That shock the heart, you know, then you go down for real.

[C]

But it also does albuterol or whatever is in it. It gets your blood pumping and your heart starts racing.

[A]

And so it was already going.

[C]

Yeah, it was going fast enough.

[B]

The 100. I broke the 200. Sean Holly broke the 200. Yeah. Such. And you know, Mark Zahara, he signed 100R bill, gave it to Tyler. He's like, dad, you gotta do the same thing.

[C]

I was like, you gotta match it.

[B]

I just paid for this.

[A]

I didn't sign the one for him.

[B]

But now kickoff of Tyler and I just shared this, folks, on social media of Tyler with that 50 straight patch. And there's people congratulating like, it was just last week. And Jody's going on there. The boy has facial hair now.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, it was six years ago,

[A]

but he could have shaved. Yeah.

[B]

And then Tyler, when he made the. The Sub Junior team, he came to us and wanted to shoot. And he said, dad, I want a Katie. And I was like, no. I said, you're good shooting your brownie. Well, I want a K. A big.

[C]

A big thing, too, is everybody would always ask me, they're like, well, why aren't you getting? Well, actually, during that time, you're shooting a Kohler, I think, weren't you?

[B]

No. 20. 20. 22, 2019. I was 2019.

[C]

It was 2019, but. And then everybody was asking me about Greg off, you know.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, why aren't you getting one? And I'm like, ah, he's not paying for it.

[B]

So he came to us and said, hey, what do I gotta do to get. Get a Craig up? I said, make top 10 sub junior. He stood up, shook my hand, he left the room. And Jody goes, I guess we're buying a Craig up. I said if that's what it takes.

[A]

All right, folks, we gotta talk about Johnson's furniture appliance and mattress. Jason Johnson, he's a great guy. I just seen him in the shoot off the other day. He's helping shooters out with their mattresses all across the country. Tell them about it.

[B]

Rick. Johnson's furniture appliance and Mattress, Wichita Falls, Texas. They will do a white glove service on Tempur Pedic mattresses right to your door or to your gun club, it don't matter. It'll help you out.

[A]

See, I need it because when those RVs, they come with them little flimsy little mattresses, my neck's all hurt. I need something good to sleep on. We gotta feel good, we gotta shoot good. So give them a try. Folks, if you're looking for the best RV bed in the industry.

[B]

Yep, that's right. You gotta get a good mattress if you want to shoot well. We appreciate everything you do for us, Jason.

[A]

Hey, folks, we gotta talk about 12 gauge leatherworks out of St. George, Utah. I just got my package in the mail. I got a brand new Trap Talk pouch with a holder and shelves. I got all kinds of stuff. What kind of stuff you got, Ricky?

[B]

I got the same. Got the initials on there. Nice four box holder. But the best thing is the buckle holder, folks. That is cool. Got it stamped with initials. It's awesome.

[A]

I love that buckle holder. We can. I'm hanging that right behind me. When we do podcasts, that's a great gift for Christmas. I mean, think about everybody hanging their buckles up. And you know these guys pretty well, right, Rick?

[B]

Yeah, I actually did lessons at Livermore with them here at the beginning of the year with his Jared and his son Carson. There's a nice little pic of us there. And as you can see, it was a little cold in California, but great folks. They support trap shooting, they support trap talk.

[A]

If you need some leather stuff, give them a try and we'll see him at a shoot near you soon. Hey, folks, I got to give a quick thank you to integrated companies out of Utah. They're a great company. They support trap shooting and they support trap talk. Ricky, tell them what they do.

[B]

They do about anything you can imagine for all businesses of all size. But they do insurance, hr, payroll taxes, accounting. But we would like to thank Terry and Flynn Paulson for supporting us.

[A]

We really appreciate it. Absolutely. If you're a business owner in the trap shooting community and you like supporting brands to support trap support integrated Companies that are Utah. You know, Rick, I was at the Autumn grand and the Nevada State shoot, and I was just really impressed with how I could see where my squad was when I was up. Just the technology, the ability to be able to see what options I've played if the event's paid or not. I mean, what's your experience with. With the app?

[B]

Listen, SOS Clay's app. It's the best thing out there, folks. You can see everything. It's great. You see your option payouts. You can see when you're up, you can see who's paid on your squad. Sometimes Zach, does it pay on time, but it's.

[A]

I get out there. But what I really think is, is for gun clubs, it's free. Call Greg, get a hold of him. He'll set you up. He'll get you running. Right. And if you pay the. The premium once a year, you get free pre squatting in all the shoots. And that's the best value in trap shoot.

[B]

Absolutely. SOS clays dot com. So he did his deal. So we got him at Katie and. And it's. He had looked back.

[A]

And that's wonderful. I mean, it's wonderful. It sounds like, you know, you picked up some things you absorbed. Hey, these other shooters are doing this method, this right bird first. Maybe that could work for me. You recognize that your left eye was covered, so you don't have vision there. So you were saying, okay, I need to have visual reference on the right. And you work that out in your game. I mean, that's. That's all critical thinking. And that's what we talk about on the show all the time, is you have to kind of analyze yourself as a shooter. And then you have to build on that. You have to say, this is what I think I need to. To do. This is where I need to go. This is what is going to help me. Because everyone's a little different.

[B]

He didn't do a lot of that. It was me and mama telling him. This is because when he first mounted a gun, a toy gun, he mounted it and he looked like this with his left eye. Yeah. Now, not again. Trey was the same way, but Trey didn't really want to shoot. So, you know, because of, you know, just pressure, people saying things or, you know, oh, you don't shoot like your dad or stuff like that. And it can be a lot of pressure, you know, trying to follow in people's footsteps. And Trey has a temper kind of like mine, where Tyler has kind of a mouth like his mom, where she Ain't here, folks.

[C]

He can say whatever you want.

[A]

He's a lot more.

[B]

She's in California, even kill than Ricky,

[A]

I can tell you that.

[B]

But Tyler, you know when someone would say, oh, you don't shoot like your dad? Tyler said, well, neither do you. And I'm like, tyler, you can't say that. He's like, well, I just did. No, I got. Hey.

[C]

I got slapped in the back of the head and said, go sit in the car.

[B]

Well, it was one of those things that, you know, with sugar here, mom and I would say, hey, this. So that's why I put the gun in his left hand and he just. Boom, instant. Now he can't throw a ball to you left handed. But he just. It was just so smooth. And I started shooting sporting clays. Shoot crossing targets. This and that and. And that worked out for him. And then, you know, he'd shoot some singles. That. And then he just started progressing.

[A]

You are left eye dominant. Left eye dominant. Left handed.

[C]

Yep.

[A]

Or not left. No, right handed. Right handed, but shoot because of the dominancy. Yeah, but I've never known anybody to shoot the dominancy away and then still put the tape on.

[B]

But there's a lot of people that do it.

[A]

That do.

[B]

Oh, absolutely. Yeah, because it's. It's more of a. You're. You're zoned in.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Versus. Because what happens is some people, both eyes don't work well together. That. That's one of the things with tigers is he did. There's five therapy and everybody has it. I mean, I know you probably got.

[A]

I said regular therapy.

[C]

It didn't work out there.

[B]

That want to donate some time to Zach.

[A]

I got room on my shirt. We'll sponsor you.

[C]

We'll fix some things.

[A]

I'll quit messing with Ricky.

[B]

Hey. Hey.

[C]

The shirt size is getting bigger, so there's gonna be even more around everywhere.

[A]

See, I got the big one and

[B]

I got the little one picking on me.

[A]

I'm trying to make you look good.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[A]

No.

[B]

We have fun here, but no sugar. You know, talk to him a little bit about, you know, just shooting but not worrying about shooting. As far as following in my footsteps or not being pressured. I know mom and I never. We just said, hey, if you want to shoot, shoot.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

If you don't go.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

We'll let him tell us.

[C]

Yeah,

[A]

you can tell me. He's just a proud papa.

[B]

It's not his fault.

[A]

It's not his fault. I gotta settle him down. I want to hear you so Tell me. Tell me what. What your feelings are,

[C]

basically. When I was young, like, you've already mentioned mom and dad. Never. You know, you guys never pressured me. No, you know, it was, you want to shoot? You want to shoot? I. I always had the choice. And I feel like a lot of people nowadays, and even I know some adults that still have their parents riding their ass. And, you know, they. You know, you have to shoot a good score, and if you don't, it's. It's your own. It's your fault. Or, you know, you need to do this, or you need to practice more or you need to stop talking to this person, like, whatever. But I will say the biggest thing from you guys is just giving me the simple choice. And that was the thing with my brother. He had the choice. He didn't want to fall in the footsteps. He got his feelings hurt, which I did it. And people didn't want stuff when he

[B]

was younger and stuff. And then. And then Trey just kind of. He. He just, like, going to the shoots, follow the girls, have fun.

[A]

Having fun's a good thing.

[B]

I mean, you know, he used to come down here to the grand every year.

[A]

Here's the thing, folks. This isn't for everybody.

[B]

No.

[A]

And here's the deal. If you would rather do anything other than this, it's probably gonna save you a couple million bucks, so. So he might be the smartest one we've ever had in the studio. And, I mean, he's been here. He's the genius of you guys.

[B]

He says, this isn't working.

[A]

I'm gonna go, well, it's a better deal. Save dad some cash. Save me some cash.

[B]

Keep spending it.

[A]

That's okay.

[B]

You got it.

[A]

You got it. You gotta have fun. So you felt freed in the fact that you didn't feel you were micromanaged. And I've seen the hover parents. I've seen the people that want it more than their kids want it. And when that's the case, there's really

[B]

not a lot of hope.

[A]

So. So how long did it take for you to start to say, okay, this isn't just something that I'm doing with my dad. This is something that I want for myself?

[C]

I mean, it was pretty early. I mean, I started shooting high school, and that was kind of my own thing. I had a lot of natural ability then. It wasn't like, oh, I'm an amazing shooter, but, I mean, I was better than most. Yeah. I saw to practice. And it was, when did I shoot? Or when did I make the all American team.

[B]

Your sub Junior.

[C]

Yeah. What year was that?

[B]

9.

[C]

Was it 2020?

[B]

Was that 2020 or 2021?

[C]

Way back.

[A]

Way back. That's a quarter of his life.

[B]

Yeah, way back. Then in five days, it'll be 19.

[C]

Yep. Jeez. So. But no, that was really my own thing. And then that's when I came to dad and was like, I want to shoot everything, because before I would go out shoot maybe a singles event, not do so good shoot a handicap event.

[B]

And he shot a doubles here and there.

[C]

I. I remember I shot like a 76 on my first doubles, and I was like, that's ass. And he's like, oh, that's good, you know, for your first time. And I was just like, this is your dad. He's gonna tell you.

[B]

Yeah. And honestly, like, he would shoot handicap, you know, your short yardage. And that's when you know our. Our lovely show sponsor, gun and trophy insurance. And one of my sponsors, he's currently owned by Cole Cushman, but the original owner was Larry Cushman, Cole's father. And Larry's a great guy. And Tyler and Larry used to shoot a lot together.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Because they were the short yardage. And then one day, Larry's like, my buddy left me. I go, what? He goes, he got good, you know, so it was kind of funny, but Tyler got to shoot a lot of individuals, and it was so funny. And my wife loves to come up and just watch Tyler shooting when I'm not there, like, if he's shooting other stuff. Because a lot of people don't know now. Of course they do, because his vest has his name on it.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

But before, when it just said sugar, people didn't really know. And people like, oh, that looks like that Tyler Marshall kid, you know? Yeah. Jody gets a kick out of that, you know, because he's made a name for himself.

[A]

Absolutely. Absolutely. And, you know, putting some perspective on this, I think it would be hard to follow someone as great as Ricky. And I'm not here to toot your horn, because, I mean, I don't like you that much.

[B]

But.

[A]

But he's.

[B]

He's.

[A]

He's one of the greatest trap shooters of all time. And so for. For that being said, you know, you think about that as a. As a kid, I would think that everything I did would be measured against that. And you. You've done a really good job of saying, you know what? I'm my own shooter. I'm doing my own thing. I'm not letting that really influence myself. Because you could. You could do things even greater than what your dad's done if you put the effort in, the time, the. The longevity of the relationship.

[B]

You're not.

[A]

You're not just saying, oh, well, I can't ever get there, because I know there's some. Some people that just like, yeah, I can't get there. Like. Like, I know I'll never be as great a painter as my dad. I looked at that paintbrush, and I said, I ain't doing this.

[B]

The reason why is Zach does not not know how to spell manual labor.

[A]

Is Emanuel, the guy we're hiring.

[B]

We're gonna.

[A]

We gotta do that.

[B]

We. No, but hiring, not doing.

[C]

Yeah, we're gonna.

[A]

We're gonna handle this.

[B]

You are correct. And that was one of the things I saw with. Even with Trey, you know, Trey's very, very competitive.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

And. And I used to get a lot of crap from mama about being very, very, very competitive with the boys and playing place.

[A]

Still get a lot of crap.

[B]

But I do. I do that with Zach. You ain't beat me.

[A]

No, he's a bastard. He ain't giving you nothing. And so when you finally do beat him and he says, oh, you got lucky. You just. You rub it. You. You just twist it. You twist it.

[C]

Yeah. Or he turns off the PlayStation like

[A]

he used to do that.

[C]

He did that twice to me.

[B]

And you thought you.

[C]

I mean, oh, my God.

[A]

He's not a good loser.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

No, not at all.

[B]

You got to be a gracious winner.

[A]

He's gracious in the crowds, but with me and him in here, that's trap talk after dark.

[B]

Yeah, but, you know, one of the cool things is, you know, with Tyler, like I said earlier, I've seen him make a name for himself, do his own thing. You know, we're both on pro staff with. With Fiocchi. And, you know, it's funny, as even some of their bigwigs in the past, you know, before the acquisition with csg, were always like, wow, He. He's. It's not just you. And I said, no, he's his own.

[C]

He's.

[A]

He's coming in.

[B]

And that's one of the cool things, is, you know, I started early shooting, and mom always said he was gonna have a number two pencil in his hand, not a shotgun. Well, they got into college with a shotgun.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, he'll be a sophomore at Lindenwood, and they won their 19th national championship as a team this year. And. And so that's a cool deal, is you can get it a Scholarship, you know, off of your.

[A]

Absolutely, absolutely. It's a great school. So. So transitioning, you know, back a little bit. You've had some success. You're moving in the right direction now you're in school. What was that like leaving home for the first time and deciding to be on a team versus shooting individually? Because I know you were shooting individually a lot. You were traveling around with your dad. We had, you know, we had Airbnbs together. We were kind of doing that. And then now you're with a team. Is it feel different? Does it feel the same? Is there things that you're learning in college shooting that's different than kind of the ATA circuit? What's that like?

[C]

I would say stuff that I, like, learn different is ski and sporting. I mean, I've shot. I don't even know how much ski. I think maybe 600 targets total.

[B]

Not a lot of ski, a lot of sporting.

[C]

A lot of sporting just because of, you know, when I was younger and stuff. So I'm learning all those aspects. I. I get it. I got help from Tom Ruck. Yeah, I got help from him. Yeah, I got help from him.

[B]

Shout out to Ruck. Thanks for doing that. Tom's help. Tyler and. And Tyler has done some stuff, Zach, that. And as far as done some stuff, I'm talking just saying stuff that you pick up on, you know, some people will say, oh, yeah, I gotta go shoot this. Tyler was coming down here to shoot, aim, and I was like, that's a lot of shooting. Shoe name. Then we got prelims, then the Grant, then the Cardinal center, and then I'm going the Heartland, blah, blah, blah, where he said, I'm really looking forward to shooting the sporting clays to learn. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So that's one of the coolest things. You don't hear that a lot from people, and it wasn't me telling you, gotta go down there, learn something. It was like that. Just go have fun.

[C]

Yeah, that's. That's why I shot all that other stuff. I mean, I'm gonna be. I shot that at school, and I'm gonna continue shooting it at school as well. But, I mean, might as well go out and learn something. I'm more shooting, more fun. I mean, sporting clays for me is just a really good time. It's becoming more competitive as, you know, as I take ata, but it's still a fun time. Ski is as the same thing. I mean, I'm learning.

[B]

What Was your scores? 86.

[C]

88. Yeah, 86, 88, which is good.

[B]

I Mean, you know.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Jake Dean, one of Tyler's teammates, broke his first 100 in sporting.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Shout out to Jake this week.

[A]

That's awesome.

[B]

A 194.

[C]

No, 196. He won.

[B]

Yeah, he won the.

[A]

The Fantastic. Oh yeah, shout out, homie. Good job. I didn't know you was banging him like that.

[B]

Yeah, you did.

[C]

Oh yeah.

[B]

You didn't hear me last night at the dinner. I told that. I said, man, that's a heck of a job, you know, breaking a hundred but, you know, winning.

[A]

I thought it was singles you were talking about. I said, I said.

[B]

I said, damn.

[A]

Why are you giving him big ups on that one?

[B]

We do that every day.

[A]

But that's a lot better, bud.

[B]

A little harder.

[C]

He did that on the harder course, I will say. I mean there was a video of it. If you go look at Shotgun Lions or you know, our Leonardo page, whatever it is, you can see the last postation. Yeah.

[B]

Then he had 92 in the skeet. Right. Or 91, 92, 92 in the ski, which for not shooting, broken up with 25 in that.

[C]

Yeah, I went 21 1, 23, 25, 23. So. Which picked it up. I was struggling a little bit at the start, but I mean I had fun. It was, it was a good time.

[A]

It's a learning experience as you said. So, so for you, is there any specific things that you're trying to work on in your game now? You know, as an all around shooter? Is there, is it more keeping it track focused and then just shooting the other games as you see fit or what's, what's the goal timeline for you?

[C]

I feel like I've got trapped down pretty much. I still need to work on handicap, but I mean college, it's a little different. We don't shoot that. But I'm still. I just really need to focus on skeet and sporting. I need to learn my, my biggest thing is I want to shoot like you. I want to be able to break a target and not just be able to shoot a trap target or just shoot a skeet target. You know, just how some people are

[A]

shoot all around target every, every way.

[B]

It's different stuff. And, and speaking of that, you know, explain to the listeners how you shoot, where you're at, you know, how hot, what's your gun, you know, what do you shoot and then your point impact and such.

[A]

You know, Rick, I know you've had a lot of involvement with them since the beginning, since they started, but I really love the way that the shot tracker, you know, catches the doubles from shot to shot with the looping. You know, tell the folks what they need to know about that system.

[B]

It's the best system out there. It's like having a coach on the end of your barrel, like we say, but going especially in double from first shot to second shot. You can see it on the graph. You can see it on video.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, if you talk about that J hook with Sean, Holly and all them, I mean, it'll literally show that loop and I think that's really powerful if you're doing it. They've supported the show since the beginning. They love trap shooting. They're great people. Give them a shot, folks. They make a great product.

[B]

Take Aim Technologies.

[A]

Hey, Rick, we got to take a second. We got to thank Outlaw Engineering and the Freston family for supporting trap shooting and supporting Trap Talk podcast. They've been here for us. They're great people, you know. You know them real well, Rick.

[B]

Yeah, I've known Randy since 1988. R2 and the family, they're great supporter of the show. Coop just won the Autumn Grand Handicap championship with a 97.

[A]

I know, I was there. I got to interview him.

[C]

It was great.

[A]

I was so proud of him. He's doing a great job. Hashtag, where's Coop? He's somewhere with that big buckle. He's having fun.

[B]

So that's all you need.

[A]

Anything engineering related, get a hold of Outlaw. They'll take great care of you. Great folks.

[B]

Thanks for all the support, Outlaw. Hey, Zach, have you been out to 73 Pointers Ranch lately?

[A]

You know I have. Rick and Carla Burke have been great. I normally hunt pheasants and chucker down there, but now they got a brand new sporting clays facility and it is top notch. I shot it the other day. Absolutely loved it. And if you guys haven't, you need to go give it a check out.

[B]

Well, I'll have to come out and do a little hunting and we'll shoot some sporting clays then.

[A]

45 minutes from St. Louis Airport. Come see it. If you haven't. Guys, check them out.

[C]

Yeah, I shoot a Krug off ACS combo. Combo, yeah. 70, 30.

[B]

All three barrels, right?

[C]

Yeah, hopefully. You know, obviously shoot Fiocchi's. Same thing, same shells as you do. I do like the little rhinos for sporting though.

[B]

Yeah, I got. I got Tyler hooked and also my little rhino stack has went to bleed. Are mine. These are not in your sponsorship contract. His are trap shows and I'm like, I go, what What? Little Rhino. Oh, little Rhino gone with little Tyler.

[A]

Little Tyler in your pocket. You got five finger discount.

[C]

Yeah. Hey, I got to steal it.

[B]

3.99, folks.

[C]

Yeah, but yeah, no, I mean that, that's what I shoot. I, I, you know, like you said earlier, I shot a Browning and I never really shot a bad score with it. Never. Other than I will say with doubles. It did bring my scores up. Switching from Browning to the Craig off well.

[B]

And you shot a 30 inch barrel in the Browning, but he shoots a 30 inch barrel.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

In the ACS, which is the ACS combo. For people out there don't know it. The. The unsingle is about an eighth inch lower than the trap special. And the over under barrel is the pro sporter barrel.

[C]

Yeah. And the stock is also.

[B]

The stock is a pro sporter stock, but it's a number six, which is a parallel comb.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

And such, so. And then you shoot with pilas.

[C]

Yeah, I should be.

[B]

That was, you know, thanks to Justin Debris that was trying. And the next day, Tyler broke his first hundred with him.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Then he broke another 100. And I was like. And Justin kept saying, that's more money. I'm like, yeah, you know how he works.

[A]

Hey, he's gonna get in your pocket too. And that ain't free fitting. So, so for you with that acs, did. Were you making that decision because you liked it better for trap, or were you thinking in your head, okay, I'm gonna get it because I'm gonna shoot everything when I go to college. Like, what was the.

[C]

I had no idea I was going to college. I thought, to be honest, the story. Yeah. I. So in high school, I got told I was too stupid. Just being completely honest by a teacher. They were just, you know, oh, you're not smart enough. And I took that to heart. And it was, I think it was not that long after. It might have been a. It was a year after, I think I was a junior or senior. And Anna Rao, you know, she made a joke about us making a compound. It was the Marshalls.

[B]

You.

[C]

Was it you and the slinkers? Yeah, that's right.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. And was there anyone else? No, that was just. It was all of us. And we were gonna make compound, and I was gonna go to Linda Wood and we were gonna, you know, find some ground and whatever. Well, I told her I was like, I'm too stupid. And she was like, no, we have a high acceptance rate. Yeah. I'm like, we. He made it in. So if he made it in I knew I was good.

[B]

And just to touch on this for a minute, because I've heard this. We didn't find this out till later on because. And it's probably a good thing because I would have went to the school and probably had a more face to face conversation with that teacher. But this is part of the problem I see in today's society with people downgrading other people or telling they're stupid. Yeah, Rick, you know, unless it's Zach, I don't call you stupid.

[A]

You say that, then how come when you say it, I.

[B]

Look,

[A]

listen to me, folks. We were having a hard dirt moment there, but I couldn't allow it. Him talking about did not degrading people. Oh, my God.

[B]

This is.

[C]

This is unedited.

[B]

We're gonna let that run. But no, you're right.

[A]

But I'll say it not.

[B]

You treat the kids right with the kids. And you as a teacher and in a classroom with some of these kids, you're molding them to be the future. So when you have a kid that, you know, even if they're struggling or whatnot, because we've all struggled.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

In school, in everything.

[A]

Okay, Life is struggle. Okay, Life is struggle. But you can't cut somebody's knees out. If they come to a trap field and they shoot a 5 out of 25 and you say you're never going to figure this out. You just. You just diminish that person. And it doesn't matter if it comes to school, job shooting, anything in life, you have to believe that if people want to try, they can achieve. Now, obviously there's different levels of people. Right. Like physical impairments.

[B]

Okay, we'll prove you wrong.

[A]

Yeah, I love that, Tyler.

[B]

So we didn't know a lot of this, and. And Tyler was actually going to go to. To Iowa Western.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

For welding. And, you know, they gave him an opportunity and we talked about it. Okay, fine. And then literally a week before, you know, we were talking about going to science. You know, he says, hey, could I go visit lennonwood? And I was like, okay.

[C]

So it was a very spur of the moment.

[B]

Boom. And then he go. And then while we're there, Jody looks at me, she goes, I think he likes it here. And I was like, okay. And he goes, I think I found my home.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And. And so that was like, it went from being 3.99 to expensive.

[C]

80,099, you know, but don't act like it comes out of your pocket. You know, it comes out of mama's.

[B]

All our money. But no, in all reality, it's one of those that, you know, you go where you want to go because don't ever let anybody tell you can't do something.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, I agree. I think at the end of the day, you have to follow your dreams and you have to believe in yourself and you have to work hard. And, you know, I. I was in a position, very similar position to Tyler. I mean, being homeschooled, I didn't know what I didn't know. So when I went to school there the first time, I said, you know, I'm either going to be back here in the middle of midterms because they're going to kick me out of this place, or I'm going to do fine. And because I didn't know, you know, it was the first classroom experience in college. The first time I sat down and did anything. And the only thing I did is I said, all I know is I'm going to do it as hard as I can. So I sat in the front row, I took notes, I asked questions. I let them know my situation on the front. I said, whatever I need to do, I'll do it. I got ahead of it, and that's proactive.

[B]

I did a lot of manual labor yards. Oh, that got a. In that class. Yeah, he moved my grass. Hey, I'd detail their car, if you got me that. We got to get through this one

[A]

way or the other.

[C]

Hey, hey, that's a good idea. I'm gonna need to take that into consideration.

[A]

I'll get you hooked up. You'll be fine. The little rhinos.

[C]

Here you go.

[B]

But going back to what you're talking about, Tyler, with that, when you chose,

[C]

You know, like you said, we visited and was hanging out with Anna, and, you know, she showed me around and showed me the whole place. And, you know, it really, like you said, it felt like home. Like, I didn't feel, like stupid. I didn't get treated this certain way. And as soon as I got there, I really, you know, I realized at first it was a little hard for me to make friends just because I wasn't putting myself out there. But I did get out there a little bit more, and I, you know, plan on doing more this upcoming semester and just hanging out with people, getting into new stuff and get to know people. Yeah.

[A]

Experience it and get to know people. Be safe, be smart.

[B]

But.

[A]

But get out there and have fun.

[B]

Mama's money.

[A]

Oh, Jesus. That's just how it goes. So. So for you, you know, going into the grand, this this next week. I know we're wrapping up this shoot, but is there, is there anything you're really focusing on? Is there anything you're really thinking about in your mind? Not really.

[C]

See, target, shoot, target. I mean, really, I literally, I'm just trying to focus. Something that helped me, that I realized when I just broke this 200 was I'm shooting on a new team, you know, with a buddy of mine, Dylan Bowman, it's their team. And another teammate of mine, Kylie Duckworth. We were, we all shot together and some of their friends and some of the kids needed a little bit of help. And while we're shooting there, the kid on post five, he's a left handed shooter and his stance was a little off. And you know, I'm like, hey, do this, do that, you know, kind of helping him while I'm out there shooting. And I don't know, it worked today and yesterday and I don't know, I think it just took a little bit of pressure off of me and like, oh, I, they need help.

[B]

They got diverted out of your situation to that.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. I'm not just. There's not 10 billion thoughts rolling around in my head and, you know, I'm just out there focused like, okay, you know, oh, it's my shot. You know, now I shoot.

[A]

When you do have that 10,000 voices in your head, is there things that you do to calm that down? Do you have a key phrase? Do you talk yourself like, is there anything you're doing to work through those stressful situations, like when you broke those hundreds and doubles?

[C]

One thing that's helped me for sure is music. I would say it's not for everybody. But another thing is, is I look at my shell, I look at it and I say, okay, this shot, this is all I have to worry about. Not the five, not the next post, not the 25, not the hundred, not the 200. It is the now it's a target that's about to come out. And, and I feel like a lot of us. And, and I've done it before. You worry about the end result before you even. Maybe before you even started.

[B]

I mean, he's listening to a few podcasts, I think.

[A]

Zach, I think so for me.

[C]

Or I've just listened to him too.

[A]

He doesn't even need to turn on. He can just walk around the house and hear you saying this all day long. I'm like, oh my God. I would. Oh my God.

[B]

That's what with Tyler, you know, he, he, he does listen now, we did have A struggle there for a little while where I literally had to tell Jody, like, and mom and mama helps me teach at times and stuff. And now Tyler's been helping me and. But the thing is, is before, like, I would tell Jody, like, I'd say, hey, Tyler, your feet. Yeah.

[C]

Anyway.

[B]

And then Jody go, hey, sugar. Okay, mama.

[A]

I'm like, it was, hey, she's got good delivery. If she asked me, I do it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He asked me to do stuff. I said, yeah.

[C]

Stu, guys, the biggest thing and I know a lot of people struggle with is, you know, having parents as their coach. I. As soon as we step out on the trap line, he is not my father anymore. He is my coach. And that's just how I have to see it otherwise.

[B]

And I can see that switch that time when it happened.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

One time on the line when, you know, because he's left handed. So we look at each other from post one to when I get to five, four and he's on five, then we switch.

[C]

But the last

[B]

he's like, where now he's like, okay. And so it you. That switch happened and then tweak. Yeah. And that's what it is.

[A]

It's a tweak.

[C]

All it is is in your head. I mean, that's really all you have to look at it as so 100.

[A]

I mean, a lot of this sport is mental. I mean, we've talked about, you know, a lot of things today. We talked about, you know, your whole points, we talked about where you're at with your equipment. And I guess for you, I know you said with the doubles, you know, you're doing that press on the right side and you're moving. When you transition back to singles and handicap, are you pressing at all? Are you really holding still as you can? Holding and then are. And when you're doing that, are you ever changing that whole point at all or are you always like on the house like that?

[C]

So I recently just changed my hold points for singles. So one and two, I hold on one, I hold right on the corner of the back, the front of the house. And then for two I hold right in the middle. You see, split it in, split it in the difference and then split that in half. And I'm holding there. And then on three, I moved over a little bit just because. So I can give myself a little bit of extra space to see. And then on four moved over a little bit more so I could see as well and get to that right hand target. And then five, same thing.

[A]

So your left and right you're moving and adjusting those and then on your up and down. Is that constant or do you ever play with the up and down?

[C]

I never really play with up and down. I'm always on the same level.

[B]

I told him. And for all the listeners out there, when you start playing with your height placement, you're. You're causing another error.

[A]

Another variable. Another variable.

[B]

Yeah, the variable. But the error kicks in of like, okay, instead of holding on on this, I'm gonna go up here. And then you're like, oh, well, God. It seemed like a slow pull, but it reason it seems like so pool is because you're holding here and you're looking. So it's another.

[C]

It's a split second before you see the target.

[A]

You're all messed up. Then you're delete, delete, and it's over.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And then you just have a mental breakdown after.

[A]

Yeah, it's no good. You don't want that. But, you know, it's. It's like I said, it's really cool to see you evolving and moving in that direction. You know, you've done a lot of really great things and you're continuing to do things, I guess, moving forward. For young people that are aspiring to shoot like you, is there anything you'd like to give them as far as advice or things that have really helped you that you want them to know?

[C]

Take his class. I'm just kidding. I gotta pay for college. Hey, we gotta pay for college.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Well, other than dad's class, is there anything that you would say has been really helpful or you would say, try this, do this?

[C]

I would say, listen to your friends. You know, I've had some friends go out there and help me. Seriously, practice, practice, practice, practice. That's one thing that helped me starting out. You know, I try to be like him. He's never shot a practice in his life.

[B]

You know what?

[A]

Have I shot a lot of practice in my life?

[C]

He hasn't in a little bit. But seriously, when I started out, I never wanted to practice, but I, I finally got myself to. And I've come to this point now,

[B]

you know, and we never pressured you.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I would be like.

[C]

And Jordan be like, yeah, yeah.

[B]

I'm like, okay, okay. And I did. And then. And he would. Then finally one day, just like, I'm like, yeah.

[C]

And I. And you know, you would come out and help me. But still, I. Even if I'd go out by myself, it's just getting, you know, led down the range. That's the Biggest thing is figuring it out without the pressure of competition.

[A]

Absolutely.

[C]

And some people do need that pressure, you know?

[A]

Well, and that pressure teaches a lot, but I think there's things that you learn on a practice trap. Kelly always used to tell me that's where you build confidence. You build confidence on a practice track. Because when you're out there and you're trying things in an event that never works, you need to. You can't do that. You have to go with what you're showing with. You have to go back to that practice trap and say, this is what I'm gonna do and this is how I'm gonna try it, and this is what we're gonna work on. And then when you see that success, then you can carry that out there and go with it. But. Well, Tyler, I know you got a shoot off tonight, so we're gonna have to get you out here in a reasonable amount of time so you can go get ready and go shoot that off. But we appreciate having you on the show. Is there anything, anything else you'd like to say or anyone you'd like to.

[B]

Sponsors?

[C]

I'd like to shout out, you know, Bear Pelt. They've been making my vests and amazing vests. I love them. Big Red, you know, sponsor him. But still, right around driving the K,

[B]

and the whole time you've been calling me, like, you didn't wave at me. I'm like, I'm not driving.

[C]

Someone went, oh, that's just Tyler. I was like, ah, gosh, you know, Craig off. Love the gun. Help me. It's been here for me. You know, they, you know, do my annuals for me and make sure everything's good. And lastly, Fiocchi, Amazing shell. I mean, if you want the best shoot, the best. Might as well. And your checkbook and Mama's checkbook, you know, you might as well. Might as well throw that out there.

[B]

We wouldn't get to do a lot of this stuff without the support of Mama, though.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

In reality, Mama keeps everything together.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

For us. So.

[C]

Keeps us without. Yeah. Fighting. So.

[A]

Well, it's. It's. It's been a pleasure. You're welcome on the show anytime. And I. I expect to see some more great things out of you this week at the Grand. You know, go kick butt out there in the shoot off tonight. And, you know, we're. We're excited to see where your shooting future takes you, so. And getting through college. And we'll probably have a couple of your teammates on, ask them some questions and do some Stuff. But for everyone listening, thanks for tuning in live at the grand 2026 building 106. A lot of sixes. That being said, wear your merch. He's got. He's got the merch. We've got the shirts. We've got the hats. We've got the top here. Come by. Come by and say hi. See us, and we'll. We'll take care of you. And. And. And thanks for tuning in every Friday and giving us love and support. Comment. Like, subscribe. Send John your messages. Send. Send him your questions that you want us to get to because we're. We're gonna do another list. Oh, yeah, listener questions here. They keep coming. We keep doing them. So shoot straight, folks. We'll see you soon.

[B]

Good luck, everyone.

[A]

Thanks. You know, Ricky, I know you used it on your barrels, but do you even know what RGS stands for?

[B]

No. Zach, what does it stand for?

[A]

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[B]

Well, that is true. It is good stuff, folks. I use it to clean my barrels, and it does make them shine.

[A]

Only problem is I wear white T shirts when I clean my barrels, and I get them all messy, so I got to be better at that. But it gets all the plastic, all the gunk out. Give them a try, folks. They're great.

[B]

That's right. Give RGS a try. We appreciate all the support.

[A]

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[C]

Yeah.

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

Absolutely. Thank you for all the support, Sam.