Coaching Youth Champions: Oklahoma Dusters at the AIM Grand - Trap Talk E145

Summary

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Coaching Youth Champions: Oklahoma Dusters at the AIM Grand

Trap Talk From The Back Fence – Episode 145 | October 10, 2025
Host: Zach Nanini & Ricky | Guests: Paul, Monty, and Brad (Oklahoma Dusters Coaches)

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into the heart of youth trapshooting, focusing on the Oklahoma Dusters and their coaching approach at the AIM Grand. Zach and Ricky sit down with coaches Paul, Monty, and Brad to discuss what it takes to grow, lead, and mentor a large youth shooting team—covering certification, logistics, parent involvement, and the vital personal lessons the sport instills.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Getting Started as a Youth Trap Coach

• Paul's Journey ([02:06]): Paul entered coaching through 4H in 2016, growing the team from 2 to 20 kids. By 2020, he took on a leadership role with AIM, relying on NRA or 4H certifications.

  • “To become an AIM coach, you have to have the certification either through NRA or 4H. So my 4H allowed me to come on into it along with these two guys as well.” (Paul, [02:24])

• Certification Details ([02:55]):

  • Free to obtain, requires a dedicated weekend and written tests focused mainly on gun safety and handling.
  • “It's I believe, a 12 hour a day course … safety, gun handling and all of that.” (Paul, [02:59])
  • Emphasis on safety as the foundation, especially for youth ([03:12] Zach and Paul).

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2. Team Size, Structure, & Parent Involvement

• Team Makeup ([03:57]):

  • 5 coaches for ~50 kids, aided by parents and coaches' spouses to manage logistics.

• Age Range ([05:14]):

  • Youngest shooter: 10 years old

  • Oldest: Junior Gold, aging out at 23

  • “Clancy's my son actually. ...He shot his first registered HPA target at eight.” (Monty, [05:40])

• Importance of Parental Support ([04:25], [28:08]):

  • Parents help with transportation, food, and all support tasks.
  • “We're not babysitters. The families need to be involved … which helps bond families and relationships.” (Monty, [28:08])

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3. Coaching Beyond the Range – Logistics, Data, Team-Building

• Logistics Over Line Coaching ([07:58]):

  • “90% of our work is the leg work, the footwork, the logistics… It's not so much, hold a little higher gun.” (Brad, [08:33])
  • Coaches manage scheduling, entries, travel, hotels—key to running a large team.

• Data Tracking and Classification ([11:17]):

  • Paul tracks student scores, uses Excel for averages/classification.
  • “Thank the Lord for myself, soft Excel. I can sit there with dual monitors and grab that data off ATA site …” (Paul, [11:19])

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4. Athlete Development – Well-Rounded Competitors

• Multi-Discipline Focus ([07:42]–[07:57]):

  • Encouraging athletes to shoot all disciplines (trap, skeet, sporting) prepares them for college and beyond.
  • “You might be the best strapster in the world, but if you can't break a ski target or sporting target, they might not look at you.” (Ricky, [07:11])

• Team Chemistry & Squadding ([12:09]–[14:42]):

  • Strategic assignment of squad members—sometimes based on team chemistry, not just averages.
  • “When you put the five of us together, we were. And that's one of the things that I've always believed in.” (Ricky, [13:06])
  • Importance of blending personalities and maintaining positive team dynamics.

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5. Life Lessons: Values, Growth, and Perseverance

• Character Development ([29:16]):

  • Shooting sports teach integrity, hard work, and trustworthiness.
  • “That's what we go off of… knowledge, buy-in, culture. The knowledge that the bigger kids have… buy-in to work hard… and then our culture. We gotta have fun.” (Paul, [31:44])
  • Coaches highlight the value of teaching perseverance and diligence through challenges.

• Handling Pressure & Adversity ([34:46], [36:56]):

  • “You're going to learn perseverance, diligence. You're going to learn how to do something that you don't necessarily want to do, but you're still going to do it because it's life.” (Monty, [34:46])
  • Focusing on improvement over comparison to others ([39:30], [40:59])
    • “Could they get better than they were…? This is a look within.” (Zach, [39:43])

• Inclusivity of Shooting Sports ([37:38]):

  • All talents and backgrounds can succeed; girls compete equally with boys.
  • “Shooting sports takes the gender out of… Girls shoot toe to toe with the boys.” (Brad, [37:45])

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6. Mental Game, Confidence, and Simplicity

• Building Confidence for Beginners ([46:00]):

  • “Shoot the target. That's my 1, 2, 3, 4. When we go the box, do your 1, 2, 3, 4 dot Keep it simple.” (Brad, [46:02])
  • Recommendation: “With Winning in Mind” by Lanny Bassham ([46:21], [46:23]).

• Coping with Mistakes ([47:29], [48:07]):

  • “Why little confidence? Because confidence goes a long way. … the confidence goes out the window till they start breaking.” (Ricky, [47:29])
  • Keep it simple and reset when things go sideways: “You have to go back to the basics, the simple.” (Zach, [48:07])

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7. Growth, Tracking, and Equipment Fit

• Growing Kids, Changing Guns ([49:29]–[52:49]):
  • Kids physically outgrow the same gun quickly. Coaches constantly recheck gun fit.
  • “We had some phenomenal shooters one year they come back from summer break and they could not hit the back of the trap house. ...they all grew.” (Paul, [50:29])

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8. Community, Fundraising, and Team Promotion

• Community Support and Sponsorship ([24:38]):

  • Oklahoma Farm Bureau, Ramjack, and many local farmers/companies support them.
  • “When your community sees you're doing something worthwhile... the support just kind of naturally funnels down to you.” (Brad, [25:02])

• Team Growth & Recruitment ([53:12]):

  • Active on Facebook, spotlighting kids for college recruitment.
  • Reputation brings in new members statewide and even from Texas.

• Fundraising Approach ([27:21]):

  • Some raffles, mostly sustained by sponsors and family contributions.

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9. Advice for New Coaches and Parent Involvement

• Coach Mindset ([55:01]):

  • “What's your passion? Is your heart in it? If your heart's in it, you're going to be a good coach.” (Brad, [55:10])
  • Arrogance vs. teachability: “If you're not willing to be teachable, don't get in this… you're just gonna hurt your kids.” (Monty, [55:40])

• For Parents ([59:01]):

  • Avoid “hovering”—let kids make mistakes and learn. Be open to input from other coaches.

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10. Success, Motivation, Learning from "Losing"

• Redefining Winning ([57:09]):

  • “If you're not winning, you're learning.” (Zach, [57:10])
  • “You can have a winning performance and not win the performance… I come home victorious because I overachieve.” (Brad, [57:39])
  • “We're not born world champions… But we have grit.” (Paul/Ricky, [56:45])

• Memorable Moments:

  • Junior team outshooting the junior gold ([32:28]): “The young ones came in and started laying it on them.” (Zach, [32:39])
  • “That's what it's about. It's about making memories…” (Ricky, [33:06])

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Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Coaching Youth:
  “The biggest portion of what you do is logistics.” (Zach, [09:39])
• On Sportsmanship:
  “You go sit your gun right down next, right next to a twenty, thirty thousand dollar gun and nobody will be there…this is just a wonderful sport to be a part of because everybody's trustworthy.” (Monty, [28:43])
• On Growth:
  “If you're not learning, you're dying.” (Ricky, [56:20])
• On Community & Integrity:
  “We drive the integrity.” (Paul, [30:44])
• On Perseverance:
  “There are so many life lessons that these guys learn on that track field and they have no idea they're learning it right now, but when they're 25, 30, 35, 40, they're going to come back…” (Monty, [34:31])
• On Teaching & Simplicity:
  “Keep it simple. Set your feet, set your eyes…” (Brad, [45:55])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Content | Timestamp | |---------|---------|-----------| | Getting Started in Coaching | Paul’s intro, certification, team growth | [02:06] – [03:57] | | Team Logistics & Data Tracking | Roles of coaches, Excel, organization | [07:58] – [11:39] | | Athlete Development & Team Chem | All-around shooting, squadding choices | [07:42] – [14:42] | | Parent Involvement & Community | Parent role, local support, fundraising | [24:38] – [28:43] | | Life Lessons from Trapshooting | Integrity, grit, personal growth | [29:16] – [36:56] | | Mental Game & Confidence | Simplicity, building confidence | [46:00] – [47:29] | | Gun Fit & Growing Shooters | Equipment adjustments, growth spurts | [49:29] – [52:49] | | Recruitment & Social Media | How new kids find the Dusters | [53:12] – [53:51] | | Coaching Philosophy | Mindset, advice for new coaches | [55:01] – [56:45] | | Redefining Winning/Learning | “Winning performance” even in losses | [57:09] – [58:03] |

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Conclusion & Takeaways

The Oklahoma Dusters have built a model program for youth trap teams through community engagement, detailed logistics, family involvement, and a relentless focus on life skills. Whether balancing team chemistry, adapting to logistics, or instilling a strong mental game, their approach offers a blueprint for anyone looking to coach or help youth sport.

"If you're not winning, you're learning."
— Zach Nanini ([57:10])

Contact & Support:
The Dusters are active on Facebook and welcome both new shooters and sponsors.

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To support or learn more about the Oklahoma Dusters, check their Facebook page or reach out via the ATA/OTSA listings.

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This summary captures the energy, humor, and excellent advice packed into this episode—perfect for trapshooting parents, volunteers, and anyone passionate about supporting youth in shooting sports!

Transcript

[Zach Nanini]

Welcome back, Trap Talk listeners. I'm your host, Zach Nanini, and we are live here at the 106 building. Trap talk.

[Ricky]

Yep.

[Zach Nanini]

Getting ready.

[Ricky]

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[Zach Nanini]

Right now. Right now, it's the aim grand. And to spark it off, we've got.

[Ricky]

Three aim coaches here. From the Oklahoma Dusters, we've got Paul, Monty, and Brad.

[Zach Nanini]

And Brad. So you guys are Oklahoma Dusters. And today's episode, we're going to really focus on fish. Figuring out what it takes to be a coach, how to lead the team, how to grow the team, how to.

[Ricky]

Handle all the young mongrels that you have running around on your team.

[Zach Nanini]

Sure, great people. But, but, but, I mean, it's, you know, from our side, we're shooters, you know, and now Ricky, obviously is an instructor and a past college coach. Myself, I'm a shooter. I've taught some, but I think running a team is completely different, dynamic. And I'm sure there's a lot of people that listen to our shows that want to know, how do they get involved? Maybe how do they volunteer? What are the right things to do in coaching? What are the wrong things to do? If you guys, you know, want to speak on that. So welcome to season three of Trap.

[Ricky]

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[Zach Nanini]

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[Ricky]

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[Zach Nanini]

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[Ricky]

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[Monty]

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[Zach Nanini]

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[Ricky]

Just remember, winners shoot winnings.

[Zach Nanini]

With that being said, let's get back to the first of all, I'll direct the first question to you, Paul. How did you get started? How did you get involved? And tell us a little bit about the Oklahoma Dusters.

[Paul]

So I got started coaching through the 4H in 2016 and then we fast forwarded our group up west Western Oklahoma. We started with two and then it escalated up to about 20 kids. And in 2020 the opportunity come available for me to come come up from my AIM director and I jumped on it. I just felt it was a calling to go that direction and the rest has been history. To become an AIM coach, you have to have the certification either through NRA or 4H. So my 4H allowed me to come on into it along with these two guys as well.

[Zach Nanini]

So walk us through that certification process because I'm sure a lot of people don't even know what that means. So where do you start? Does it cost a lot of money? How much is the training? Like what, what was that end?

[Paul]

So it was, it was free. You got to dedicate one weekend. It's I believe, a 12 hour a day course dedicated to going through their training, their certification, take a bunch of written tests, safety, gun handling and all of that.

[Zach Nanini]

Okay. And I'm sure, I mean being a coach there, there has to be some like liability insurance. So I'm sure they want to get you certified and trained in a way that you're able to articulate the gun safety. Because when we're dealing with young people, that's probably the most important part to start to get them a solid foundation of, hey, everybody's gonna be safe. And I read an article a few years ago and it was comparing shooting sports to like football. And it's like shooting sports is like the safest sport of all the different sports that you could have in the country because I mean, everybody's really responsible and they have some really good coaching staff. But most of these teams as they're growing, they have a lot of coaches. I mean, it's not just one coach or two coaches. Like how many coaches do you all have on your, on your team right now?

[Paul]

So we've got, there's five of us.

[Zach Nanini]

Five.

[Paul]

I've got myself, Monty, Brad, then Roger Dillard and Wesley McElhand just brought him on board with us this year.

[Zach Nanini]

And the size of your team is around 50?

[Paul]

Yes, sir.

[Zach Nanini]

So a coach for every 10 kids, roughly. And, and I mean, I know there's some other teams that are bigger, smaller, but it just depends how many volunteers you have.

[Ricky]

And. Yeah. Now do you guys have a lot of parents that help out too?

[Paul]

Yes, we got a lot of parents that jump in and help us out and help manage a lot of coaches, wives do a Lot of.

[Ricky]

Yes, he said that with a smile too.

[Zach Nanini]

I feel like a good smile.

[Ricky]

No, it is and it is a big part. You know, I was a college coach for two, 10 years and my biggest team I think had was about 17 and my wife helped out a lot. I did have an assistant coach that was a past student that she helped out a lot. Without her it wouldn't have been made possible because there's times that as you being the head coach, it's tough to do everything.

[Paul]

Yes.

[Ricky]

And especially if you guys got 50 kids. That's a lot of work and it does take a lot. We had great parents too that would help out with food or need rides. Here you need. And that's the big part of it. Now what's your age range on your kids on the AIM program?

[Paul]

Lancy's going to be the youngest.

[Monty]

10 years old.

[Ricky]

10. Okay.

[Paul]

I've got junior gold's fixing age out. He's 23, so.

[Ricky]

So big 13 year age gap basically which. And his 10. I know that's when my youngest son Tyler's 17. I taught him well, I taught him when he was younger than that. But he shot sporting clays from when he was about 9 till he was about 6, 10, 11. Then I brought him into the trap set.

[Monty]

You know, Clancy's my son actually. He, he started, we started him at seven, so he started shooting at seven, but he shot his first registered HPA target at eight.

[Ricky]

Okay.

[Monty]

So this is his second year, this is his first year to actually shoot all the events.

[Ricky]

Okay.

[Monty]

For the, for the AIM portion, Porter clay ski and all, all trap distance. That was, it's a really cool deal. Which he's got three older brothers so he's kind of, you know, he's been in the middle of it the whole.

[Ricky]

His whole life, more or less.

[Monty]

So anyway, it's, it's a lot and that's.

[Ricky]

I believe that it. Shooting all the disciplines is great because it helps you especially these kids going into college.

[Monty]

Sure.

[Ricky]

Because you, when you shoot, coaches want the will. Absolutely. And that's what I try to tell you. Yeah. And that's why I think these programs that aim, you know the SCTP stuff. I think you know, I grew up, I'm from Lincoln, Nebraska. So Nebraska is the largest. Well not largest, the longest running U shooting program. I think this year was our 54th annual state high school shoot. So. But they only shoot singles and handicap. Now you go over to like Iowa and because we met some coaches there at the Iowa State Shoot, their kids, they shoot singles, handicap Doubles. And then they do have a Porsche where they'll shoot maybe some ski stuff. But I always try to tell all my young students and because I teach all over the world is, hey, go shoot ski, go shoot some sporting. Because if you're going to go to college, you got to be able to do this. Otherwise, coaches, you might be the best strapster in the world, but if you can't break a ski target or sporting target, they might not look at you.

[Zach Nanini]

Nowadays, they want them well rounded, as you said. And what I liked what you said is we have learned, and I think all three of you have probably learned a lot in doing this that you didn't know when you started doing it. And I think that's the biggest thing is like, okay, people that volunteer, that want to help the team, it's going to be a learning experience. So I guess my next question is, you know what, so what, what are the biggest things that you guys have learned as a team over these last years kind of that you would give to the listeners today?

[Paul]

The well roundedness. Just have them shoot every discipline. I don't know. Me and Monty have often questioned if we shouldn't have them start shooting ski first, then through the crowd.

[Monty]

Yeah.

[Brad]

Probably one of the misconceptions when we think of a coach, you think of a coach as somebody standing on the line helping them hold the shotgun. The fundamentals and the dynamics as a coach for the Oklahoma Dusters were more logistics. Getting the kids, who's going. Here's the dates, getting them entered, getting the logistics of getting here when we get here is the money right. Is the, the entries right. That 90% of our work is the.

[Paul]

The leg work, the footwork, the logistics.

[Brad]

Of getting to the tournament. It's not so much hold a little higher gun.

[Monty]

Yeah. At this point we're doing some very fine tuning because by the time we're here, you know, you got, you got those coaches on the ground level that have brought those kids up in 4H or FFA or whatever that might be. You know, they are the ones that got them started, they got them going. And if we see some really bad habit, we're going to say we're going to try to correct that. You know, safety is always the biggest issue. And going back to the coaching thing, that's all they teach you is safety.

[Ricky]

Yeah.

[Monty]

So to learn how to be a coach, you'd have to learn how to do it from guys that have been shooting forever. You know, you learn the best thing to do is to go out there on the Line and do it yourself, learn how to do it, get taught how to do it and then you can transfer that. But at this point, these kids, I mean, you're not going to go out and start changing some massive thing one day before they're fixing to shoot 100 targets and ski thing, you know, I mean, yeah, you're looking at home points, you're looking at small little things, you know, like you said, you know, you're going to, you're going to move the feet just a little bit, get them where they, they've got a better shot at left hander, right hand targets, you know, fine details at this point. Yeah, so the ground level coaches is who gets them to this point.

[Zach Nanini]

So yeah, I love that and I love the fact that you guys acknowledge the fact that the biggest portion of what you do is logistics. Because you think about these kids, they're young and they're starting, they're excited to do it. And what I've learned about youth shooting is they're sponges and they figure things out really quickly. Like they're really smart. And if you just kind of put them in the right direction, hey, this is a target, they start picking it up and start shooting and then figuring out, okay, I want to hold here, I want to do this or I want to do that. And they can learn it on their own, but they're not going to figure out how to get the entries or the hotels or all the other things that are, that are come across with moving 45 or 50 people, I mean, that is a huge, huge undertaking that you guys are doing and probably along with keeping them safe is just making sure everything's organized well.

[Ricky]

You got 50 kids that are coming here, grandparents and dogs and dogs and grandma and grandpa show up and brothers and sisters. It's a difficult deal. It really is.

[Paul]

When I started this in 2020, my wife was ready to train me up because I take all the data that I had and I'll start in January and we'll roll through. I typically cut off at our, after our Texas state sheet once the websites are updated, I gather all that data, but I'm looking at it from January on and who saw it, who's struggling, what do we need to do to help them out? And then my wife, I had all this data laid out on legal pads and the last two, three years, three years I got a laptop and thank the Lord for myself, soft Excel. I can, I can sit there.

[Ricky]

It does work good.

[Zach Nanini]

Shameless plug.

[Paul]

I mean, I can, I can sit there with dual Monitors and grab that data off ATA site, input it, you know, and I. I look at it just the way they do here on the class find. You know, I'll look at their average for the year, look at their last five shoots. They pretended break that average. Make sure we're all classified where we need to be classified.

[Ricky]

Yeah.

[Paul]

And.

[Ricky]

And so moving into that aspect. So here at the Grand. So is it the same, like, know in college shoots, It's. You just take your top five scores. Where is it an aim or they. Is it the scores on each squad?

[Paul]

Yes, sir.

[Ricky]

So you can't cherry pick your top five scores. So you got to try to put the five shooters that you think are gonna shoot good together. Now, do you always go by average or do you say, you know what? Nah, you shoot pretty good with him, Even though maybe you're a lesser shooter. But when you guys shoot together, it brings you up and such. Do you do that stuff or how.

[Paul]

Do you take your.

[Monty]

So what.

[Paul]

We do do some of that, but what we do is like, this year, we didn't get to do it last year with Southwest Zone. It was an El Reno.

[Ricky]

Yep. So great club shop there.

[Paul]

I just. I took the data and I said, your squad, I've got you squatted. Don't worry about it. What I said singles, you guys are all squatted. That's where you're gonna shoot. And it kind of. I kind of had some backlash on it because the kids, they started a little rumor, maybe some mindset, oh, if I don't shoot again, I'm off the squad. No, I'm wanting to see how you.

[Ricky]

Gel, how you jail.

[Paul]

And let's work through those little hiccups to make sure.

[Ricky]

And that, in my opinion, is one of the most important aspects of shooting as a team event. Because track shooting is not registered. Shooting is not a team event.

[Monty]

Right.

[Ricky]

Okay. It's individual. But I grew up shooting in the high school program in Nebraska, So I was, you know, part of that team deal, but also an individual stuff. But it was the deal back then. We were in high school. We didn't have. Each individual shooter wasn't the best in the country. But when you put the five of us together, we were. And that's one of the things that I've always believed in. And when I was a college coach there, when I had, you know, bigger teams of like, 17, I would say, okay, well, you can hand pick the, you know, the scores at the end. So it didn't matter. But I said, guys, here's what we're gonna do well. No, I like, shoot with him. I'm like, yeah, no, we're gonna. We're gonna try something different because I think you guys will shoot better. And it was funny. It took some of the lesser shooters and brought their scores up because they were like, oh, I get to shoot with so. And so that's pushes you to shoot with better people.

[Zach Nanini]

It does push you to shoot with other people and better people.

[Ricky]

And.

[Zach Nanini]

And I think that you guys have to look at it from a case by case basis and say, well, what's going to be best? If you have two personalities that don't get along really well, you're probably going.

[Ricky]

To be the best shooters.

[Monty]

That's a big deal.

[Ricky]

Yeah.

[Zach Nanini]

Yeah. And we're talking about this. I mean, we don't get to talk about this much because we're all talking individually and whoever we're interviewing is the biggest, baddest shot of the day on the show. Right. We make, you know, they're the amazing shooter of the day. But like, with this thing, there's always egos involved, and especially when you're growing up and hormones are changing and things are adjusting and. And it's like, no, I'm the best, or no, you're the best, or, you know, and that goes on because we had that when I was at Leonard Wood, and these are people that are even a little bit older that should be more mature, but sometimes.

[Ricky]

But you aren't.

[Zach Nanini]

I wasn't.

[Ricky]

So that's okay.

[Zach Nanini]

I can admit it.

[Ricky]

But.

[Zach Nanini]

But what I'm saying is it's. It's. It's got to be difficult to balance that. And it's got to be, you know, something that you have to put a little bit extra thought into. And as a team sport, you know, building a team is completely different than having individuals.

[Ricky]

Individuals. I mean, because all your team. So it's in Oklahoma, but is it a big area?

[Paul]

We're statewide.

[Ricky]

Statewide. So, yeah. So you. Anybody can come shoot for the Dusters?

[Monty]

Yep. Pulled a couple from Texas. Yeah. Might need to edit that.

[Zach Nanini]

I don't pull them to Texas.

[Paul]

I like, we had a young man. Well, they straddle the line.

[Monty]

They're just in Oklahoma anyway.

[Paul]

Yeah, they come shoot at our local club, at S. @ the Red Dirt Club. They come over and they're like 45 minutes from us, and they loved what we did.

[Ricky]

So being part of the team, that's part of, you know, there's some kids that want to do that, and there's some kids I know that you Know, I, you know, like, now that I'm going to shoot that stuff, I want to shoot individuals and that you got to do what you want to do, you know. But when you're with a team, you're part of the team. It's just not about you.

[Zach Nanini]

That's what I've had to explain because.

[Ricky]

I teach, you know, lessons and private lessons all over the world, and I'll get questions about that. Well, you know, little Johnny wants to maybe go shoot for this team. What do you think? I'm like, well, you got to want to do it. And you got to understand this ain't going to be just about him.

[Zach Nanini]

It's about everybody.

[Ricky]

It's about everybody.

[Zach Nanini]

He doesn't want to bring anybody down because you're letting the team down and vice versa. So I think that team mentality is a little bit hard to drive in. In this sport because you feel like it's individual and everybody does their individual job. We're going to win. But then there's that personality clash that you have to look at and say, okay, are we able to work together as a team without butting heads? And that can get hard. Especially the shoot is a week long and you're a day in, day out.

[Ricky]

Day. When did you guys get here? Wednesday.

[Paul]

We got here.

[Zach Nanini]

Yes.

[Monty]

Wednesday, checked in. And then Wednesday start shooting.

[Ricky]

Thursday. You guys in tomorrow? Yeah. So Thursday to Tuesday. Now, do you do any other. Do you shoot SCTP stuff or is it just aim?

[Paul]

Just primarily just aim.

[Brad]

Program.

[Ricky]

Okay.

[Paul]

Yes, I would.

[Ricky]

I mean, 4H is big enough.

[Paul]

Yeah.

[Ricky]

I would say Oklahoma. Yeah. 4. I mean, Nebraska. It's big.

[Brad]

Scholastic.

[Ricky]

Yeah.

[Paul]

They have a scholastic program through the high schools. We shooting it. And then, like I said, 4H and FFI. And then in. In September, we'll kick off, you know, with Texas has their San Antonio stock show.

[Ricky]

The stock show and rodeo shoot. That's. Yeah.

[Paul]

A brainchild of Monty's was the Oklahoma Youth Expo stock Show. So we have the Oklahoma Youth Expo shoot in the fall.

[Zach Nanini]

That's awesome.

[Ricky]

Well, which is good to do that because we need the. The kids. If we don't, I mean, I've been doing this. It's my 37th or 38th Grand American. 37th Grand American. 38th year shooting, I think. I don't know. They all run together.

[Zach Nanini]

It's running together.

[Ricky]

Yeah, exactly. But it's one of those things is without the kids.

[Monty]

Yeah.

[Ricky]

We don't have a future now. Everybody says, well, yes. No, I mean, the kids are gonna go away. They go to college. They start a career because this isn't the cheapest sport to do by any means. But they're gonna come back.

[Monty]

Yes.

[Zach Nanini]

So he's got like four kids.

[Ricky]

Yeah.

[Zach Nanini]

And they all shoot.

[Ricky]

They all shoot.

[Zach Nanini]

He knows.

[Ricky]

I thought it was bad when my wife and my son were shooting. And then my wife doesn't shoot anymore.

[Zach Nanini]

He's a saint.

[Ricky]

You must be a.

[Zach Nanini]

Say no. Hey, trap talk listeners, we got to take a real quick break and we got to thank Ron Prescott from Mid State precious metals for everything they do for the trap shooting community coast to coast for all your gold and silver buying needs. And on top of that new announcement, they're a sponsor of the 126 grand American.

[Ricky]

Finally, he said it right, folks. Grand American. Yeah. Ron is a great guy. He's a sponsor of the back fence shootout at Nevada State Shoot and Ohio State Shoot. And also we got our gold for our trap talk event at Nevada State shoot and the 77th annual Nevada State shoot. They bought all theirs from it. 680 ounces of silver, to be exact. Folks, you're missing out if you're not there.

[Zach Nanini]

That's a lot of silver. And honestly, if you're not buying from Ron, you're probably overpaying. So whether you're buying it for your gun clubs or your shoots or for your personal use, you got to give them a try because they're big supporters of the trap shooting nation, so it's awesome. All right, trap dock listeners, we got to take a real quick break, and I've got something that I'm so excited to announce. Trap Shooting USA has now become the official magazine of the trap talk podcast.

[Ricky]

No, it's not only Traction usa, now it's Wing and Clay Life, Lady Outdoor lifestyles and Clay Shooting usa.

[Zach Nanini]

I'm just really excited because they make such a high quality magazine. I mean, if you guys haven't had these magazines and you actually get to touch them in your hands, they've got really thick paper, they're really glossy, and they keep it really cool. I mean, I just love it.

[Ricky]

The traveling gunsmith. And then in this newest episode, we have. Oh, man, look at.

[Monty]

Look at those.

[Zach Nanini]

Look at those handsome guys. I love this. I love it. I love it.

[Ricky]

All right, folks, we need to take a quick second and get to a new show sponsor, Big Red Motorsports. Big Red. They're personal friends of mine, Jason and George Lee, and they're also a personal sponsor of mine.

[Zach Nanini]

Now, I'll say this, Ricky looked great driving around in that side by side. I got some Free rides down at Tucson, the Autumn Grand. I think it's awesome that they deliver all across the country. And obviously they love trap shooters. They love trap shooting and they're doing a great job.

[Ricky]

Listen, they got can Am, Kawasaki, cf, Moto, Triton trailers. Hit them up. We'll take care of you guys.

[Zach Nanini]

All right, folks, we got to take a real quick break and acknowledge the official target of the ATA White Flyer. They've been sponsoring us since the beginning and they make a great target. What do you think, Rick?

[Ricky]

It's the best target in the ata. Shout out to everybody there. All the reps, you know, Bill Daniels, Josh Taylor, Nick Arnold, Robert Crow, Everything they do for the sport and all the shoots. Really appreciate it.

[Zach Nanini]

They're always there, they're always trying to make a better target and they're always supporting the game that we love so much. All right, Trap Talk listeners, we got to take a quick break and we got to welcome a new sponsor to the show. RGS Bore Stripper. It's a great product, Ricky. Tell them how they can find it.

[Ricky]

Go to their website, rgsguncleaner.com you can get the 18 oz bottle, free shipping. 28 oz bottle and you get the 2 ounce travel bottle and it's free shipping also. Or just get the little two ounce bottle for travel.

[Zach Nanini]

Yeah, they sent me some of this product and I use it on my Kragoff choke tubes the other day. And it got the plastic out like in a minute and it was super cool and super good. So if you like cleaning your gun, you like eliminating plastic, and you like shiny bores, give them a try for sure. Thank you so much for supporting the show.

[Ricky]

Yeah, we'd really like to thank John Weber, the owner, for the support. He's doing an awesome job.

[Zach Nanini]

Yeah, we really want to thank John. We appreciate the support of the show. Anybody that supports Trap talk, you guys need to support them and get this stuff because it's awesome. All right, Trap Talk listeners, let's take a couple seconds and thank a couple more sponsors. First of all, Remington's been with us since day one. I've been shooting these shells since 2007. I shoot the Nitro 27 from the 27 yard line. Ounce and eight, seven and a half. And STS, ounce and eighth eights for singles and doubles. They've worked great for me as they do a lot of top shooters all around the country. Give them a try. Don't forget the gun club line. When you're practicing and you're wanting to save a Little bit of money.

[Ricky]

We'd also like to thank another sponsor, Outlaw engineering. Randy Freston, R2. I've known Randy since 1988. They do engineering, surveying, drafting, GIS, civil structural, land development, wetland permitting, they do all that.

[Zach Nanini]

And they're friends of TRAP Shooters. I mean, they're trap shooting family. They've been in the ATA forever. His dad's been involved, they're involved. They're beautiful family. They're great people. And we just love that they listen to the show and we love that they support TRAP Talk.

[Ricky]

Yeah, his dad was past president 1989. So I really want to thank those guys for the support it. Really appreciate it.

[Zach Nanini]

Hey, Trap Talk listeners, let's take a quick second to thank a couple more amazing sponsors. Sos, Clays Shoot Management, they're doing a fantastic job. I love the app. I love being able to see everything on my phone instantaneously. It's freaking awesome. Rick, what do you think?

[Ricky]

Yeah, Greg Pink and his group over there, I mean they've got majority of the satellite grants, majority of the state shoots. I think it's 40 plus state shoots they're doing. But the app, honestly, we were doing a little beta testing with that at the spring grand. It's awesome. You could see your squad if they paid. You know, you can see your options, your payouts, the whole works at your fingertips. Great deal. They're just.

[Zach Nanini]

Ricky, how much money he made before he even got off the line, he was like, hey, I'm buying lunch. I'm like, yeah, good job. We're good to go. We also got gun and trophy insurance. I mean, they're the best in the business. I, I know they're, they're great price. Ricky, you're familiar with them, right?

[Ricky]

Yeah. Cole and Larry Cushman, been long time supporters of myself and, and I've been a supporter of them and you know, especially with my college team, you know, we require insurance. It's so fast and easy to sign up and get your insurance. In literally 10 minutes you can have your guns insured. And they're just great. They're great to deal with. Like I said, you can do your trophies also, you know, your, your wildlife, animals and that such and your guns.

[Zach Nanini]

It's just a great, it's always good when you're traveling around to have that peace of mind and know that you don't have to worry about losing your stuff forever. And these are expensive things, especially when you got those Craig offs, you got to keep them insured, so.

[Ricky]

Oh, with that being said, let's get back to the show.

[Zach Nanini]

All right, folks, we got to take another quick break and thank one of our show sponsors. 73 Pointers Ranch, Jonesburg, Missouri. Rick and Carla Burke. Best place in the area to go shoot chuckers and pheasants and have a great time. Rick, we got to get you down there.

[Ricky]

Yeah, I need to come in. Hopefully I can do some hunting with you guys and come to your. The annual clay shoot in August right after the grand.

[Zach Nanini]

It's a lot of fun. It's the Optimist Club charity shoot. They throw a charity shoot. They put it on and it's wonderful. I think last year they had over 100, 100 entries into it. And it's just a good time. With that being said, let's get back.

[Ricky]

To the show now. Speaking.

[Monty]

Gotcha.

[Ricky]

Do you guys have sponsors that help the team?

[Paul]

Yes, sir. So we have Oklahoma Farm Bureau. They help us out with our state sheet and they help us with our. With our shirts and stuff. Then we have other companies, Ramjack and just individual companies throughout the state, Oklahoma, that help us out. We've kind of got a level of sponsorship.

[Monty]

We got a lot of support from a lot of local people. I mean, you know, local farmers, local little, little groups here and there and everybody. You know, when you're.

[Brad]

When your community sees you're doing something worthwhile that's involving you and getting them out in the outside doing stuff.

[Ricky]

Absolutely.

[Brad]

And you have success, the support just.

[Ricky]

Kind of naturally funnels down to you, which is good. You know, it sounds like. I mean, so you've been doing this five years now. Was your first one. Did you come to the aim in. In Lynn Creek then?

[Paul]

Yes, sir.

[Ricky]

Okay, so the COVID grand, we call it grand.

[Zach Nanini]

It's my favorite grand ever.

[Monty]

It was.

[Ricky]

We had a good time there. That's when Zach got it. That's when Zach got a breakout start shooting. You know, Covet helped him get out.

[Zach Nanini]

It did. It brought me back into the sport. And then I was on home cooking all week and I liked it. It was good because that. That target, I've shot it a lot and I'm like, I can't. I could get used to this.

[Paul]

Yeah.

[Ricky]

No. And that's. And at that time, would you have about 20 kids when you started that?

[Paul]

I think. Yeah, I was about 20. 15 to 20 at that time.

[Ricky]

So you're almost tripling your team in five years, which is good. So they. People are seeing you're doing a good thing, you know. Now do you shoot any travel to any other state? Shoots.

[Paul]

Besides, we'll go to Kansas.

[Ricky]

Okay.

[Paul]

This year, we weren't able to go to the Texas State shoot, but we'll go to Kansas, go to KT for their state shoot, and then we'll come back to the Southwest Zone and then Southwest Grand.

[Ricky]

Southwest grand. Because they do the youth shoot at the Southwest. Because I know two years ago I brought. Yeah. College kids down there, and. And they got a shoot and stuff and enjoyed it. And that. That is a good thing. And I think the. The ATA needs to maybe implement some more of that. I know we talked about doing something with Dale Stockdale.

[Zach Nanini]

Yeah.

[Ricky]

Of the heartland.

[Zach Nanini]

Grand.

[Ricky]

Up in Ackley, Iowa. He wanted to. To try to do a youth deal because Dale's a coach for a college team, too, but just to try to get more youth at the bigger shoots.

[Paul]

Yeah. I can't. I can't remember what the numbers was last year. Southwest Graham, for the total kids, but my gosh. Oh, yeah, it was unreal. It had the kids that was over there, and I'm over here trying to shoot on the main field, trying to worry about kids back and forth.

[Ricky]

I know that feeling.

[Zach Nanini]

So I do want to circle back because we glazed over something I thought was kind of important when we talked about sponsors. Do you guys have a fundraising program or have fundraising shoots? And if you do, you know, what do those look like for teams that are just starting out and they're. They're not as successful as you guys are yet.

[Paul]

We really haven't dove off into the fundraising shoots just trying to get everything organized. We just, like, raffle every now and then.

[Monty]

Yeah.

[Paul]

We'll do a raffle on occasion. We're doing one right now, help with the expenses and stuff.

[Zach Nanini]

So the sponsors bear the brunt of it, and then the families bear the brunt of it more than anything, and just kind of handling it that way, because I know some teams, they really try to do a good job of promoting and building a team account and figuring out what everyone gets as far as shells and practice and making it fair and even. And. And there's a lot of different ways that it's been done that I've seen. But. But most of the teams that I see, it's just like what you said. You have some sponsors, you have, you know, maybe a raffle here and there. But more than anything, you know, the families are more interested in taking care of their. Their kids on the team and going from there.

[Monty]

An important aspect, though, I mean, we're not babysitters. The families need to be involved in this, because we don't, I mean, we will occasionally in special circumstances, we do bring kids up that'll stay with family. But you know, this is not a sport that's just. We're going to bring a busload of 15, 20 kids up with no parents and try to babysit them. That's not, that's not what we do. And we don't, we won't want to. I mean, you really need to have parents involved, involvement involved in it. And which is another thing that really is a pretty awesome thing about it too. That kind of helps build bond families and it bonds.

[Ricky]

Yeah.

[Monty]

Relationships with kids from all over the state. You know, meeting, connecting with kids that they wouldn't know otherwise. I mean, it's a really great aspect and you know, I love this for that. And the best part about it is the people we meet here. I mean, you guys know this. I mean, you go sit your gun right down next, right next to a twenty, thirty thousand dollar gun and nobody will be there. You know, this is just a wonderful sport to be a part of because everybody's trustworthy. We all kind of have the same goals in mind, you know, and nobody's going to mess with somebody. And it's just we want to see, I mean, we want to be the best shooter out there, but at the same time, we're with these kids, we're.

[Zach Nanini]

Rooting for all of them 100%. And I think what you said earlier about the communities and the communities getting involved, that was really powerful. You think about it. And what does this world need now? It needs more honest people, more trustworthy people. It needs more people that are, that are able to actually have some work ethic. And I think if you don't start that at a young age and teach that at a young age, then where does it come from? Because a lot of the times in the public schooling system, as we know, they're not instilling those types of values. And I've learned a lot of bad things, but all the good things I learned were at a trap shoot from trap shooters and good people that like said, hey, this is, you know, what you do and this is how you act and this is where you go and you know, and to have the community see that and recognize you guys as community leaders and then say, okay, we want to support the Oklahoma Dusters because they're training our future, you know, business owners and leaders and workers and all the people in the community that are going to do the right things. Because at the end of the day, when they do grow up and they get done with this for a little while. They're going to be individuals in the.

[Paul]

Community doing things, you know, with the AIM program. I touched on it when we first got here the other day and I touched on it again this morning. I said, you know me as a person, I wasn't big on academics. Do not go to my shooter on ATA and look at my average right now because marksmanship is not there. But the one thing I am high on is integrity.

[Monty]

Yes.

[Paul]

And we drive the integrity.

[Zach Nanini]

Now you were telling me something earlier before you started shooting about, about the CEO or what was the company I.

[Paul]

Worked for back home. Me being at that time I was a mechanic and I just was never minded to what he had to say. But he talked to us about knowledge buy in and culture in a group meeting one day. And then once I moved into my management I saw how this knowledge and this buy in, this culture took place. I went to implement it on my mechanics and then I brought it to our team and we, that's what we go off of. Just the knowledge buy in the culture, the knowledge that the bigger kids have, our juniors, junior goals to share with our sub juniors and our pre subs and then the buy in to work hard and win championships and then our culture. We gotta have fun. We've got to have a fun culture. And that's just, we just pass that along year after year.

[Ricky]

That's the most important thing you said. And I always say it in all my classes I teach and everybody new shoulder is have fun. Because if you can't have fun, I mean like I said earlier, it's an expensive sport. You're just wasting money.

[Brad]

There's got to be a reason that we're leaving farms, other parents, leaving business and taking vacation.

[Monty]

Yeah.

[Brad]

To spend this week here in a camper in the heat, in the humidity.

[Ricky]

It's hot here folks.

[Brad]

A little warm in this campground and there's. Yeah, we do it because we enjoy it.

[Paul]

Yeah.

[Brad]

We leave here thinking God that was a good time.

[Ricky]

We accomplished something.

[Brad]

We accomplished something.

[Ricky]

And speaking about that you said you had three teams. One team had a 497 today had junior teams.

[Paul]

497. Junior gold was 493. And then another junior team.

[Monty]

I think it's the other way around. I think 497 was your goal, wasn't it? No, no, no.

[Paul]

It was the junior team.

[Zach Nanini]

The young ones came in and started laying it on them.

[Paul]

Yeah. The older boys, older boys, you better.

[Ricky]

Start looking over the shoulder there's always.

[Zach Nanini]

There'S always more better coming from behind. You got to be watching for. You got to look out.

[Ricky]

But that you speak of that and that, that shows success that your team has had.

[Brad]

And three new shooters to the deal, three today. So they're going to get the patch at the AIM grand. Yeah, they'll never forget that.

[Ricky]

And that's what it's about. It's about making memories and, and stuff, you know, you guys as coaches and.

[Zach Nanini]

You guys.

[Ricky]

You know, and that's, that's the biggest part of this is because the kids will remember this stuff and so will you guys, you know, and.

[Zach Nanini]

And I like, I said I can remember Lindenwood. And that was. I never was on any team shooting until I went to college. And for me it was all an individual sport and I was just an individual lone soldier out there doing my own thing. And then I got to line it when it was an eye opening experience to be a part of a team. And I felt it. I'm like, wow, this is a really, really cool thing. And looking back at it when I was doing it, I had no idea how cool it was until it was over. But then once it was over and I look back at it, I'm like, that was probably one of the coolest experiences in my life that I was able to be with some really good people that all wanted to do the same thing. And to stretch that out at a younger age and pull that through, I think that's a really special gift that you're giving.

[Monty]

See that right there, what you're saying right there is exactly why I love coaching. Because my second born son, he's 15 now. He, he came to me and he's like, he just. I'm kind of over this. I'm tired of shooting. And it was.

[Ricky]

And I understand it.

[Monty]

You know, we've got four boys and we're all involved. I shoot as well, but it just kind of. I knew this one was one that kind of whenever the pressure gets hard, it's like he just like, he kind of just wants to give up, you.

[Ricky]

Know, take it away from it.

[Monty]

I said, listen. I said, here's number one. I said, you have a great time when you go to these shoots. I said, you always. He's our social butterfly. He likes to go out and see people. But he does enjoy shooting, especially when he shoots. Well, who does that?

[Zach Nanini]

I like that. Nobody likes to hide. I like that.

[Monty]

But I said, listen, here's the deal. I said, when you turn 18, you move out. You may not ever Pick up another shotgun and that's fine. But I said, as long as you live with me, you're gonna go and you're gonna do. And this is why, because we don't play baseball, we don't play basketball, we shoot. And this is what we've tried all that other stuff and this is what we've done as a family. And I want you to say, so this is what you're going to learn. You're going to learn perseverance, diligence. You're going to learn how to do something that you don't necessarily want to do, but you're still going to do it because it's life. There are so many life lessons that these guys learn on that track field and they have no idea they're learning it right now, but when they're 25, 30, 35, 40, they're going to come back and they say, damn. I remember when Monty Tucker used to tell me about this thing and it's like, man, you know, it's going to apply to them in life. And what you said, you know, that hard work, that, that diligence that stick to it in a state one, it's such, we're missing that today. And if we can get a little bit of something in there to get a little bit of drive and I'll just keep them in there. And you know what, this is hard, but I'm going to do it anyway because I remember our coaches used to teach us how to do that and that's why I love coaching at this level.

[Zach Nanini]

Well, somewhere along the lines it, you know, hard became a taboo. Like, oh, we don't want to do anything hard. It's like, it's like everything we want to do end at the, the easy way. We want more instant gratification.

[Ricky]

Everybody wins an award winning microwave.

[Zach Nanini]

Yeah, everybody wants to be able to walk in, everybody win. Everybody gets something out of it and not have to put that effort in. And the effort is what develops the character, that pressure and that time and that effort is going to turn them into something that's valuable long term versus, you know, if it was easy, everybody would do it. If it was easy, right? And then it wouldn't even be fun. You wouldn't have that gratification. And I just, I think about it so much at the time, had no idea what I was doing as far as what I was building and learning to do in life. But you know, it was like, oh, this is hard, but I'm gonna keep doing it. I'm gonna. And then now you go to business or you go like this podcast. This podcast isn't the easiest thing we've ever undertook, but we love doing it because people love watching and they learn. And you know, Ricky's put in a lot of effort and time and now he's teaching all over the country. Country even more than he was before. And I mean, it's just work on top of work on work.

[Ricky]

It's just like you said, the perseverance of getting through stuff. And that's a lot of kids, you know, yet this is one. And I'll say this, and I believed it. Since I started shooting in the 80s, I started registering at 88, but 87, 86 I shot. But it's one of those things of, you know, are you going to be the best? No. But you can be. It's about what you put into it. And, and that's the one thing is, as I've always told everybody, you can be a world champion, but it puts. Goes on what you put into it.

[Monty]

That's right.

[Ricky]

And that's where some kids, they, if they can't do it, they just back away and say, I'm not, I'm not good at this, so I'm not going to do it. Well, that's. This is a sport that anybody of all talents.

[Monty]

Yes.

[Ricky]

Can shoot.

[Monty]

Yes.

[Ricky]

No matter if you're handicapped, have eye issues. Physical. I mean, shooting sports.

[Brad]

Sports takes the gender out of.

[Ricky]

Absolutely.

[Brad]

Girls shoot toe to toe with the boys.

[Ricky]

Yeah.

[Brad]

Same gun.

[Ricky]

Same.

[Monty]

You had to pretend to be that.

[Ricky]

Well, look at, look at Kaia Funkhouser from Oklahoma. She made the open team. You know, I mean, I think she was even ahead of Zach that year.

[Zach Nanini]

You might be right.

[Monty]

Tell you something, though, Kai Funkow is a perfect example of that.

[Zach Nanini]

Absolutely.

[Monty]

Put in the work.

[Ricky]

Absolutely. She did.

[Monty]

She worked hard.

[Ricky]

She came to the shoots and there's people like, why is she coming? Why is she trying to be in the open deal? And I'm like, it's the open deal. They changed it away. It used to be the Mint. They only had men's and. But I said, it's open, why not? You know, I mean, and she did it. She, of course been, I think. Was she Sub Junior Junior? She could actually. What's she now? She going with lady or she Junior Gold?

[Zach Nanini]

I think she's lady one now, but.

[Ricky]

She could go to Junior Gold too, too.

[Zach Nanini]

So I wonder if she's gonna hop.

[Ricky]

And do because she could actually be the first person to ever be. To get them all.

[Monty]

Possibly still got two More years. Yeah.

[Ricky]

In Junior Gold.

[Monty]

Yeah.

[Zach Nanini]

Because she's only 21, I think that's a good idea. I think she should try to knock out that Junior.

[Ricky]

I think it'd be cool.

[Zach Nanini]

Have all of them sub Junior, sub.

[Ricky]

Junior, junior, lady one, and then junior goal. And then there you go, sub vet.

[Zach Nanini]

Then you just gotta stay healthy long enough to make it to senior. That's the hard one to get to. That was.

[Ricky]

But it is, it's. It's a different deal now with these kids where, you know, some of them, they want that participation trophy.

[Monty]

Oh, yeah.

[Ricky]

Where, you know, I was all about. When I teach anybody, I'm like, listen, this ain't about winning. This is about putting the time and.

[Zach Nanini]

Effort to be able to get there well. And I want to stop right there because it also is about them becoming a better version of themselves. They might not win. They might not be an All American one day. That might not be in the cards. But could they get better than they were?

[Monty]

Exactly.

[Zach Nanini]

Could they push the game and keep pushing the game to where they're better? And it's very hard not to measure yourself against others. But this is a look within. This is how did I shoot last year versus how I shot this year?

[Ricky]

But you're not shooting also. That people don't understand is when we go out to shoot a lot. Prime example. Last week at Iowa, Zach won the singles championship and it was down to three of us. But I wasn't shooting against Zach. I'm shooting against myself. And I always tell people this, and especially I used to be big on the singles and handicap shoot off, so, you know, they didn't take a while. Singles especially.

[Monty]

Yeah.

[Ricky]

But like doubles, you go into a double shoot up, you shoot 20 targets. I always tell people, you break the first 20 in that shoot off, you're going to guarantee get a trophy. And I've had students that are like, what? I'm like, go out and break 20. They went out and broke 20. And after it's all done, they're like, 20. Exactly. But like, we're out there shooting. I'm not worried about what Zach's doing. I'm worried about breaking my target. Because if you start worrying about everybody else, it's the same deal on the team. If you're shooting with your team and you're worried one of your team members is struggling, the one thing I always say when I was a college coach is tell that person, just give them some. Pick me up, and that's it. Don't. Don't dwell on it. With them, because that's going to make them worse or it's going to hurt you or other team members. But you do your job. Everything else comes to you.

[Paul]

Yeah, that's what we talk about. We talk about every morning this week with the kids. You know, number one, don't worry about scores. Take care of the targets. The scores will come every time. And just one target at a time. They'll come. Yeah. And, you know, don't go up. You might see a kid over there with his head in his hand, sitting on the bench. Don't go over and ask him what you shoot. Yeah, go over and ask him, what can I do to help you out?

[Zach Nanini]

Absolutely, you lift him up because you never know how. And I will say this. I've seen some kids that really are hard on themselves, and it's like they're their own worst critic, where they're just looking internally and they just. At that age, they're like, oh, my God, I'm not shooting as good as this person. That person. I'm letting my mom and dad down. They're traveling. They, you know, they took all this time off, they paid all this money, and now I'm not performing. And they get real internal with it. And when you see someone that's in that boat and they're struggling, lift them up. Lift them up as much as you can, because positive positivity. You have to be positive. And the only reason I mean that I'm still here, I've had the best. I was looking at my first year of shooting, and there was like some 61s and 62s in there, and I don't remember them because it was just like, yeah, I had bad days, but.

[Ricky]

Always gonna have it. Listen, no one's perfect. That's what.

[Paul]

Yeah.

[Ricky]

And I just had this conversation with my. My youngest son. I'm like, if you can break a. Have a hundred average, you get mad. No one ever has had 100 average shooting the whole year in the grand and everything. So listen, it's.

[Zach Nanini]

It's.

[Ricky]

We had Dagan Voigtman on the show the other day.

[Zach Nanini]

He's about as close to.

[Ricky]

As I've seen. Yeah. And Dagan has said, he goes, I don't like to shoot a lot of practice that shoots. And he doesn't shoot any practice because he said, I'm just one target away from missing. The more you shoot, you're probably going to miss. That is true. But that can be. My mental side is, listen, if I need to practice, I'm going to go shoot yeah. And figure out fine. But I don't worry about score when I practice. When I teach kids, I don't worry about the score. I worry about fundamentals getting everything right. Because the score will come.

[Zach Nanini]

Are the feet right? Does the gun fit? Am I mounting the gun properly? Do I have the proper hold points? Am I looking in the right zone? I shooting too quick, shooting too slow. I mean, those are all in my mind. Much more important things to focus on than to just say, okay, I need to break 25 straight. Because I mean, you can break 25 straight and if you're doing it all the wrong way, are you gonna be able to do it back to back to back to back? Probably not, no.

[Paul]

And that's, you know, what Brad touched on earlier about these kids is what it's teaching them. It's teaching them to be thinkers and thinkers for themselves. You know, we could sit there and shoot here all day long or at Oklahoma or Kansas. Each feels different. So had kids, hey, I'm struggling. Well, lower your whole point on that trap house. Look at your background. Maybe you ought to cheat the corner of that trap house a little bit. You know, you're on post one or post five. We mean cheap. Well, this is what this.

[Ricky]

That's right.

[Paul]

You know, explain that terminology as to what we're saying. And they turn into some pretty good thinkers real quick.

[Zach Nanini]

Yeah, they start figuring out and analyzing, okay, when this happens, now I do this, when this happens, now I do that. Like that.

[Ricky]

Which is the best part of shooting is, and I tell this all the time, is if you know what you're doing wrong, there's only about 10% of the shooters out there that really know. And I can, we can talk about good shooters that don't, that don't know. They think they do, but they don't. They'll come back and say, oh, is this. And I'm like, no, you weren't over that target. You was about three foot behind that target. But that's what they'll continuously say because that's what they think.

[Zach Nanini]

There's a lot of shooters that are really good shots that can't self diagnose. And when they get in a bad spot or they change a gun or something happens and they lose that magic mixture and it goes away. It's very rare for people to be able to self diagnose and figure it out.

[Ricky]

I always say, game find out that split second. And I've even, I mean, I've been doing this a long time and been on what, 34 all American teams now. And even when I have issues, the greatest thing, the iPhone. And of course, my wife, I'll have her come out video. But my wife's a past all American shooter, so she can watch me shoot literally like two or three targets. And she'll be like, dummy, you're doing this. I'm like, oh, don't do that. I say, hey, Jody, be quiet. Leave him be.

[Zach Nanini]

We're going to shoot off.

[Ricky]

But the little things like that, and that's the cool. With our technology that we have today. I mean, it's leaps and bounds from when I first started shooting. You know, we didn't have. We had contractor phones back then.

[Monty]

Yeah.

[Zach Nanini]

A briefcase.

[Monty]

That's not what it was.

[Paul]

You had to go to a wall and make a phone call.

[Ricky]

That is true.

[Zach Nanini]

It turned.

[Ricky]

When it turned, I still got a phone call.

[Zach Nanini]

Anybody on the line?

[Ricky]

Yeah, exactly.

[Zach Nanini]

So I do have a question. If there's people that want to get involved in your program or they want to start. I mean, if this is somebody that's never picked up a shotgun, where do they start?

[Brad]

Start with fundamentals. Probably what made me a better coach. I've learned it the hard way is I went back to keep it simple.

[Paul]

Yeah.

[Brad]

Keep it simple. Set your feet, set your eyes. Set your feet. Set your gun.

[Zach Nanini]

Set your eyes.

[Ricky]

Shoot the target.

[Brad]

That's my 1, 2, 3, 4. When we go the box, do your 1, 2, 3, 4 dot Keep it simple. Lanny Basham probably has. When I discovered his book has probably taught me more about how to keep it simple. Keep the process. And I would recommend that book to anybody. It's with winning in mind.

[Zach Nanini]

With winning in mind.

[Brad]

I would recommend that book to any coach out there.

[Ricky]

There.

[Brad]

When I really started studying him and started studying don't be your own worst enemy. He's got three chapters on that.

[Ricky]

You know, he does a lot of stuff.

[Monty]

Yeah.

[Brad]

Your self image. Tell yourself that you're good. You know, he goes through a lot of that stuff. And what's funny is when I started doing that, now I have baseball and softball coaches coming to me and say, hey, come talk to my team. And it's. It spills over into other sports. So my. My suggestion, Keep it simple. It's not always the gun, it's not always the shell.

[Zach Nanini]

Just a process, a consistent process that's refined and simple. Don't over complicate it.

[Monty]

Don't over complicate.

[Zach Nanini]

And believe in yourself.

[Monty]

Yep.

[Zach Nanini]

Believe in yourself and have that confidence.

[Ricky]

That's the main thing if having confidence. And I'll Take kids that have never shot before, and I'll take them over to a skied house. Station seven, low seven. Hey, we're gonna just shoot this target and just stand there. Just shoot. Or on a trap. If we don't have a ski on a trap, post three or even sometimes behind the house.

[Brad]

Yeah.

[Ricky]

Just straightaway, let them break 10, 15 targets. Why little confidence? Because confidence goes a long way. You take. You could take the world's best shooter, they go out there and miss three or four in a row, the confidence is gone. I don't care how much shooting they've done and experience, the confidence goes out the window till they start breaking. And that's what I always say, and that's why I always call it target management. You know, it's like, okay, you missed one. What happened? Okay, go on. You're missing a couple. There's something going on. Get it corrected. Don't dwell on stuff, because if you dwell on it, you're gonna miss more.

[Zach Nanini]

Yeah, you start thinking about it and starting getting the wheels spin and, oh, I'm missing. And now what am I doing? And I'm missing more. And it just kind of.

[Monty]

It.

[Zach Nanini]

It spirals out of control. You have to go back to the basics, the simple. I love what you said about keeping it very simple and those steps that you use and just allowing yourself to be happy with the fact that it doesn't have to be very complicated.

[Ricky]

Exactly.

[Paul]

That's what. You know, when we start those kids off at home, we start out with gun fit you touched on. Get them fitting that gun. I had a parent one day call me, and she said, you know what little Jimmy's doing? I said, I have no idea. Well, I come home and he's got his shotgun aimed at the mirror in the house. I said, yes, ma'. Am. He was supposed to have told you about that.

[Ricky]

He was supposed to ask first. Yes, he's doing it.

[Zach Nanini]

I like the initiative.

[Ricky]

Maybe call mom and dad first. Talk to mom and dad first.

[Brad]

He missed it.

[Paul]

Point one.

[Ricky]

Yeah. Point one was talk to mom and dad.

[Zach Nanini]

He skipped right to the advanced methods.

[Paul]

And I told him, I said, you know, if you've got a full body mirror in your house, put a piece of tape there at eye level and practice your gun mouth. Because the kid, the gun was too heavy for him.

[Ricky]

Yeah.

[Paul]

And he wasn't a kid. I said, you lift weights. I hate lifting weights. So get back to that middle game.

[Monty]

Yeah.

[Paul]

Hey, well, give me 50 gun mounts a night. This is where you need to hold it. Does it Feel good. Yep. Give me 50 a night. And he went to doing that and his mom freaked out. She thought he was going to shoot the mirror or something.

[Ricky]

You know, I always say no dry, dry firing technique went up pulling the trigger. But you are right. The gun list is the most important thing for any shooter out there. And I tell in all my classes, my last deal is gun lifts. Because the gun eight to ten pounds, we'll say, now there's people that can't hold a gun up that long and all you need to hold up for is just a couple seconds. Yeah, but you're using muscles, but you.

[Zach Nanini]

Got to hold it still and you got to. Absolutely. And I think the biggest barrier for young people when they start is just the controlling of the gun itself.

[Ricky]

Well, because then it makes their. How their posture.

[Zach Nanini]

Then they're like this. They're leaning back in this because they're trying to cradle it.

[Ricky]

They're trying to push their hip forward to hold that way. And if you do those gun. Let's put everywhere.

[Zach Nanini]

Yeah.

[Ricky]

I always most time when I'm telling my kids, you know, the parents are.

[Zach Nanini]

There or if they're not, when they.

[Ricky]

Show back up to pick them up, I'm like, hey, listen, I told little Johnny that they need to be doing some gun lifts on the. In the house, on the floor, farm, wherever, but you need to be around. And they're like, oh, okay, yeah, no problem.

[Paul]

Yep.

[Monty]

That's what.

[Paul]

You know, every fall when we start back, when we get back home, we'll take about a couple of weeks break and we'll be right back in the middle of our 4H stuff and we'll take those kids to the pattern board. We had some phenomenal shooters one year they come back from summer break and they could not hit the back of the trap house. I'm like, what changed? I was looking at them. Well, they all grew. Oh yeah, yeah. It's working out for football. That pocket disappeared.

[Ricky]

Changes.

[Paul]

So.

[Zach Nanini]

So how much as coaches are you watching to see like about growth? I mean, you're tracking that. Are you trying to be cognizant of. Okay, these guys grew and reach that.

[Ricky]

Microsoft Excel helping you with that. You could have a pro. You could add that in there.

[Paul]

Just saying.

[Ricky]

Because I just had a student that showed up today. I hadn't seen him in three or four months. He grew a foot. And I'm like. And the mom was like, what about gun fit? You know, his first name's Marshall. I told Marshall, I said about that gun.

[Zach Nanini]

I was like, yeah, you Need a little adjustment.

[Ricky]

Going to a winning stock will help.

[Zach Nanini]

But you get one every six months. When you're going pattern stock. Yeah, the pattern stock. Go with the pattern stock.

[Paul]

That's why when we come up here one year, my son, he just exploded over the summer. And he was shooting lots out this old BT99 micro. I think we got up here, and he's standing on a line. It looked like he was holding a toothpick.

[Monty]

And I'm like, oh, no, we.

[Ricky]

Yeah, we gotta pick something. Sixteen spacers and about five inches of stock.

[Paul]

Yeah.

[Monty]

So he.

[Paul]

He went from, I think a fourteen and three quarter to a sixteen and a half length Pull.

[Ricky]

Yeah, I think I'm down. I used to be 16 and three quarter. I think I'm down to about 16 now. The older you get, the neck doesn't.

[Zach Nanini]

Want to stretch out as well.

[Paul]

That's what you know in the gun fit. I had to go back to practicing what I was preaching. We went to Southwest grand last fall, and I shot lights out. I come home and went to some shoots. Well, I got diagnosed diabetes. Doctor said you need to lose some weight. So I went from. That was in May. I went from like 230 down to 175, and my gun fit. I had struggles at gunfit. And I remember watching one of you guys cat podcast. I got practice what I preach these kids. So I go out and do my. My gun mounts and get it where I need it.

[Ricky]

I'm down right at 90.

[Monty]

And.

[Ricky]

And I've been through some pattern stocks. And, yeah, I didn't think it made, you know, I was like, oh, it makes a little. I adjust a little bit. And then finally I was like, no, I lost a lot of meat in here. So it changes on where that gun's gonna fit.

[Zach Nanini]

Everything.

[Ricky]

Absolutely. Makes a huge difference.

[Zach Nanini]

So are you guys doing active recruiting to find new team members, or do they just come to you or what do you do to promote the team? The Oklahoma Dusters.

[Paul]

We have a Facebook page. It's just Oklahoma. And we lay out all of our success on there. We try to help these kids, you know, with colleges, get spotlight on them for colleges. And they. They'll reach out to us through the spring. Hey, how do we get involved with us? They'll send us messages over social media and what's my numbers on the OTSA website? And they just pretty much call. We'd love to be involved. Come on, we'd love to have you.

[Zach Nanini]

So you guys got a good enough reputation. You've done enough big Things obviously that people know of you in the community, in the trap shooting community, if they're wanting to get involved and they reach out and just join the team and go from there and you guys welcome them.

[Ricky]

And anybody looking to sponsor the team, they can get on. And there's Oklahoma aim, Facebook.

[Brad]

How many Polaris did we drag up here?

[Ricky]

Now, if you guys are looking for some good deals on some can ams, we do have big motorsports.

[Zach Nanini]

You had to bring up these things. How's your air conditioned cap by the way?

[Ricky]

Isn't it wonderful? I got it this morning. It was nice and cool.

[Monty]

A little jealous of that.

[Zach Nanini]

He's living right.

[Ricky]

I'm telling you, those K unlimiteds are very nice.

[Zach Nanini]

I'm walking around the dusty road with my bag and Ricky just drives off. I see my face on the back of the thing and he's just waving and I'm like, this isn't fair. I said, I don't know. How'd this deal get worked out? This is wrong.

[Ricky]

We're gonna get Zach a little two wheel scooter.

[Zach Nanini]

I'll be riding a Vespa. Do they have any Vespas that big red?

[Ricky]

No, didn't think so. Like that.

[Zach Nanini]

So I really appreciate you guys coming in today. I guess is if there's people that want to become more involved, maybe in the coaching position. Do you have any good advice for people that are like, okay, my kids shooting? Should I be a coach? Should I not be a coach? What's the mindset there for y'?

[Monty]

All?

[Brad]

You can't help but be a coach at some level.

[Ricky]

Yeah.

[Monty]

And.

[Brad]

What'S your passion?

[Monty]

Yeah.

[Brad]

Is your heart in it? If, if your heart's in it, you're.

[Zach Nanini]

Going to be a good coach.

[Paul]

You're going to work at it, you're.

[Brad]

Going to, you're going to seek the knowledge and the things to be a better coach. Whether you actually know how to shoot or not, it don't matter. The encouragement, the logistics, the figuring things out, that always is a big thing.

[Monty]

You know, the confidence going back to what you guys were talking about, confidence a little bit ago, I think that's a very important thing. But there's a big difference. And there's a fine line between confidence and arrogance.

[Ricky]

Yeah.

[Monty]

If you as a coach are not willing to be teachable, don't, don't get in this, don't do that because you're just gonna hurt your kids. You're gonna hurt everybody around you. You're just gonna be, you're gonna be somebody that nobody really Wants to be around.

[Zach Nanini]

Yeah.

[Monty]

So that arrogance level confidence is a completely different thing, but it is a fine line. So you have to be cautious with that. Be teachable, learn when somebody comes up and. And at least have an open mind to listen. Yeah, I think that's a big thing. You know, a lot of people are really quick to say, I've got this figured out. I don't need your help. You know, I've been in this for two years. I know what I'm doing.

[Zach Nanini]

I know it all.

[Monty]

I know it all. Here.

[Zach Nanini]

21 years in, I'm still learning a lot.

[Ricky]

If you're not learning, you're not dying.

[Monty]

Yeah, that's exactly right.

[Paul]

Myself, I love to help people. I love to help kids. And my boobs deal is, you know, growing up, I was kind of the underdog, and I love those underdogs. I love to grab those underdogs up and show them their true potential and let them see what they're capable of doing.

[Ricky]

And, well, you're not born a world champion.

[Paul]

No, you're not.

[Monty]

You're not.

[Ricky]

I mean, are there some kids that have better advantage?

[Zach Nanini]

You gotta have grit. You gotta have that grit.

[Ricky]

Absolutely.

[Paul]

Yep. That's what I used to rodeo in. There's a gentleman who's rodeoing this year. He laid it out there, her wall back. He said, well, we didn't. We didn't win, but we learned a lot so we didn't lose.

[Monty]

That's the same.

[Paul]

And the whole time we're learning more.

[Monty]

Still winning.

[Ricky]

If you're learning, you're gaining.

[Paul]

Yes.

[Monty]

Yeah.

[Zach Nanini]

You know, Yeah, I love that. I mean, that's just a powerful statement that if you're. If you're not winning, you're learning. I mean, that's a transitionary shift in the mind that most people don't have. They say, oh, I did great today. I won because. Or I did crappy today. I lost. Like, no, what did you learn on those, on those misses? What. What did you feel and what did you do wrong to cause you to go down that path that you could learn from and not be there again? And, I mean, that's. That's a lot. And that's life.

[Brad]

That's one of the things I'll teach a lot.

[Paul]

And Lanny, I learned it from Lanny.

[Brad]

Bash is you can have a winning performance and not win the performance. Yes, I can have a personal victory.

[Ricky]

Victory.

[Brad]

That's still not good enough to win the tournament that day. But I come home victorious because I overachieve. Achieved something I wanted to Achieve.

[Monty]

Yes.

[Brad]

And the weather, I mean you can, you can get a bad draw on weather, whatever. You can have a winter performance.

[Zach Nanini]

Yeah.

[Ricky]

Here, I mean this heat and not losing the performance.

[Zach Nanini]

There's some luck that comes into it. I mean, I mean you get a bad trap one day that's throwing really bad targets. You get some weather that maybe the other shooters didn't get to experience because the time of the day when you shot wasn't as good as everybody else. I mean there's, there's some things that come in part of it that you just have to keep your head high and you have to be proud and strong and say, you know what, I did the best I could with what we had and we made the best of it and we've dealt with it. We've, we've seen it where sometimes you're.

[Ricky]

On the good part and I've been on the bad part and I've actually performed better on the bad part than sometimes on the good part.

[Paul]

That's what during the sporting plays the other day are last 100 of it. Our kids at 1 o' clock they were, they were beat down. They were done. And I told them, I said, hey, shoot, you know when you cart stay hydrated, stay in the cool. I said, guys, you gotta look at it like this. Everybody's shooting in this.

[Ricky]

Absolutely.

[Zach Nanini]

Yeah, everybody, Everybody feels the heat.

[Paul]

Yes. Everybody's feeling it. They got the same shoot times we shot eight o' clock here, morning, they shot at one. So here we are.

[Zach Nanini]

You know, and I do want to circle back to what you said, Brad, when you said like the parents that get involved in what they're doing, I think you're 100% right. If their heart's not in the right spot and they're not really focused on learning more and becoming better, I think that can become an enemy to the kid or to the team. If you have somebody that says, you know what, I know what I'm doing and I know what's right for my Johnny and I know what's right for my Susie. And I'm kind of like, I would say if you're listening to the show and you're a parent, you can love your kid. Your kid's obviously the one that you focus on the most over anyone else. But you also have to be open minded that there's other people that want to see them succeed and be open minded to the other coaching staff, the other people kind of coming in with those ideas and that initiative. Because I have seen some people that are you know, I don't know, like a hover mom or the hover dad, where it's like, you know, I've got to make sure they do this and make sure they do that. And, you know, there's a lot of pressure to it. And let them grow. Let them. It's like someone told me one time, a tomato plant will only grow as big as the environment around. If you put it in a little pot, it's only going to grow this big. But if you put it out in a garden, you're going to have this big old tomato plant. And I think if you push people and you confine them with all this thought, not let them think you're confining their growth.

[Monty]

Well, to go with that, I met a kid that I'm sure there's probably several. You know, the parents think, well, I bought you the DT11, I bought you the TSK stock. You've got everything you need. So why aren't you hitting hundred straights? You should be perfect. You should be shooting perfect.

[Zach Nanini]

All the equipment is right. You should hit everything.

[Monty]

I've sent you to these camps, I've done this, this, this and this. And all you're doing is beating them down. But, I mean, just like we were talking about just a second ago, you know, Albert Einstein, he didn't. He didn't say, I failed at making a light bulb a thousand times. He says, I learned how not to make a light a thousand times until you figured out the right way. So that's. This is the attitude and perspective is key in every aspect of life. And it all goes full circle right back to, you know, we teach these kids, you know, listen, just because you went out and shot a 14 today on one round, you know, listen, we're learning.

[Ricky]

We're still learning. I always tell them, what'd you gain out of that? What. What did you accomplish? Well, I. I shot back. Okay, but what did you. Well, there was. And they'll. There'll be something in there, and they'll be like, oh. And I'm like, that's the ticket right there. That's you. That's your winning performance today. You learned something. Even though it was a bad performance and it's your aspect, but you learn.

[Monty]

Yes.

[Ricky]

You know, and that. That's a big thing.

[Zach Nanini]

Well, I. I can say that this has been one of the best episodes.

[Ricky]

Absolutely.

[Zach Nanini]

And, you know, I'm so glad that you guys came in and shared your knowledge with us. Is there anything you would like to say in parting, or is there anyone you'd like to thank. Before we get out of here, I'd.

[Paul]

Just like to thank everybody disbelieved in us. Everybody back in Oklahoma, you know, stuck with us and helped us along the way, support these kids. It's been an amazing journey for me. My son, he'll turn 21 in January. I've had people ask me, how long are you in with this? And long time.

[Ricky]

They keep telling me they're dragging you around.

[Zach Nanini]

You just figured out excel. You can't give up now.

[Paul]

You know, if we could only figure.

[Brad]

Out the ATA entering system.

[Paul]

Yeah, we could figure out little victories.

[Ricky]

Little victories, yeah. Small steps.

[Paul]

We're learning.

[Monty]

Fault.

[Ricky]

We're learning.

[Paul]

But, you know, it's. My son's no longer involved. Four, eight. And I help Monty out. And I've had. It kind of bothers me, but I have people say, well, what are you here for? You ain't got no skin in the game. I'm like, oh, I got a lot of skin in this game.

[Zach Nanini]

Hey, you're an underdog.

[Ricky]

I know that.

[Zach Nanini]

Keep talk.

[Ricky]

Just keep chirping, and you'll be back around.

[Zach Nanini]

That's how you get them. You just say, hey, I don't think you can do this anymore.

[Ricky]

Reverse psychology on it.

[Zach Nanini]

Okay?

[Monty]

You can't. You can't quit until all that hair is gone.

[Zach Nanini]

Well, I. I can say I thoroughly enjoyed this episode. I. I want to thank each of y' all for being on very much. You guys are awesome. You know anybody that's listening to the show?

[Ricky]

We're. We're.

[Zach Nanini]

Put a link to their website, Oklahoma Dusters. John, you'll put. Put it up here over there somewhere. If you'd like to support the team or get more information, I'm sure you can get in touch with these three gentlemen. They'll help you out and, you know, like I said, a wealth of knowledge. And we wish you good scores the rest of the week. It seems like your team is just really kicking butt out there, which that's always good when you have good scores along with good coaches. So, you know, congratulations on that. And for everyone listening, Happy Friday. Thanks for tuning in. Like, Share. Subscribe, Send your your questions, wear your merchandise.

[Ricky]

You got anybody else you want to have on the show, let us know.

[Zach Nanini]

Let us know. I mean, we got the new stuff. Look at the hat, looking fresh.

[Monty]

Those look good, by the way.

[Zach Nanini]

And I owe you one because you. Like I said, we'll get you that sponsorship. That first one.

[Ricky]

That'll come on.

[Zach Nanini]

The one hat we got you. Not for the us. The kids are gonna have to buy them.

[Monty]

Fair enough.

[Ricky]

Thanks for tuning in.

[Monty]

We'll see you next time, Z1.