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George Lee: The Nebraska Young Gun Who Broke 100 Straight His First ATA Shoot! | Trap Talk Ep. 176
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Welcome to season four of Trap Talk
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Hello Trap Talk listeners. I'm your host Zach Nanini. I'm here with my co host Richard Marshall Jr. And we've got a wonderful day of talking trap shooting with Mr. George Lee from Nebraska. Welcome to the show, George.
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Hey guys, thanks for having me.
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Absolutely.
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Well, Rick, would you mind introducing George?
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Yeah, not a problem. So Georgia Nebraska native like myself, so. But George Lee's from Hickman, Nebraska, so just outside of Lincoln. George has been shooting since 23 registered and we'll get into his story on that. But he's a sub junior, all american, junior all American. So two time all American. He made the Nebraska state team as a sub junior and then last year instead of the junior, he was good enough to make the men's the top 10 or the oh I guess we call open team now. But one of Georgia's biggest accomplishments, he's got a few of them. One, he broke his first 100 doubles at the Grand American in 24. Which for anybody out there that knows, you know, breaking 100 doubles isn't an easy feat. But to do it at the big stage at the grand is even extra special. But he also for a young man, he's 17 years old, his long running singles has probably got even most top shooters beat. But he's got a long running singles of 856 and he did that last year. Started off at Wisconsin State, shoot the last hundred there, ran all the singles at Iowa and then ran all the single well random at the grand starting I guess you ended it. I'M sorry, George, because you didn't shoot the prelims. So he missed in the class singles to end at 856. But he did run the clay target, break the 200 there. So his first 200 in the clay target also, which isn't an easy, you know, feat at all. So that's awesome. So we're going to get into George's story on everything and he also, as you can see by his shirt, he is, you know, part owner of big red motorsports. We'll say, you know, his father Jason and one of our sponsors and stuff. But you know, George is an up and coming U shooter and, and so we're going to get in and hear George's story. So welcome George.
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Thank you. Thanks for having me again.
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Yeah, we're excited to hear from you, George. We've been trying to get you on the show for a while. What we've learned about the Lee family is they're perpetually busy selling can ams so they, they're very hard to nail down. And if, if they're not doing that, then they're, they're, they're shooting traps. So, you know, you guys are, you guys are really busy people and we appreciate you making the time to tell us your story today.
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Yeah, I appreciate the invite.
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So let's get started. How did you get into trap shooting at the beginning? Like what was your, your, your story? How do you start and, and why do you love it so much?
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I was never the most athletic when I was younger, put it that way. And so when I got into middle school, my brother in law recommended me to join the Norris trap team. So I joined it. Shot there in sixth and seventh grade. And then when eighth grade came around, you know, I was never anything special. Eighth grade came around, I went out there and I broke 50 out of 50 at the first meet out of nowhere. And that kind of like, you know, sparked things off. So that year I kept shooting. Near the end of that year, my buddies convinced me to go to a local ATA shoot out there at the Isaac Walton and I showed up there first registered targets and I broke 100 out of 100 my first time. And so that kind of, kind of catapults you into the sport. You don't really have a choice from there.
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Yeah, that hooked you. And your dad went, oh, this is gonna be an expensive deal.
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That's a journey.
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But that's cool though. I mean, not many people can say their first time shooting registered. They broke 100 out of 100. You know, most people say, yeah, I broke 56 or I broke 68 or which is how the journey begins also, you know, so that is a, a cool story. You know, you broke your first hundred. Now, was that just the regular weekend shoot there at the Isaac Walton?
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Yeah, yeah, it was just a regular during a bird shoot.
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Did you shoot all the events or did you shoot. Shoot singles?
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Yeah, I shot 100 and singles and I probably shot a, I don't know, 80, 90 handicap and then like a 70 on the doubles.
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Okay, which, hey, which we can, we can fact check all these folks and you know, with, with everything.
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Hey, George, you broke a 91 Lincoln. Isaac Walton Gun Club on 5, 6, 23, 3. 100 out of 100.
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Right out, right out of the gate.
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Yes, sir.
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That's.
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But your doubles, George, for not shooting. And, and look, well, heck, you're handicapped. Your third one, you broke 96 there at the Isaac Walton got a half yard punch and, and, but your doubles, your third time ever shooting doubles, you broke 90. That's.
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Dude, he's, he's on that home cooking at that Isaac Walton Gun Club. He knows what time it is. He's got those banks lined out perfect.
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Well, the Isaac ain't the easiest club to shoot at by any means. You know, it's on the south side of Lincoln. Great club, though. I mean, heck, I was shooting there in the, in the 80s and, you know, have a lot of fun. Now. Now, George, you. So with the, you started with the high school, okay, so. And you're currently, you know, shooting the high school shoot now. Know how's that been going this year?
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I'm very consistent, but I'm not beating up on anyone by any means. You know, I'm up there every time, but I haven't won any overalls on the weekends.
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Well, didn't you break. Didn't I recently see one of them? Didn't you break 98 or something?
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I broke a 98, but my good friend made some sabaca, broke a 99 standing right next to me, said, that's pretty good.
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That is. He, he's on your team, right?
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Yes, sir.
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Yeah, Well, I mean, hey, 99 and 98 on the same team. It's pretty salty.
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I dropped the, I dropped the second last one, so that's stung a little bit.
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Oh, that's a sting?
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Yeah. You know what? Leo used to always say, the later you miss him, the worse it hurts. Oh, you know, but it's all I got.
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A little gut punch.
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Yeah. Now, George, let's talk a little bit about you know, your, your school team, your team is the first team to have tried trap fields on their property.
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Yes, sir. We have a three trap rangers on our property or three trap houses on our property right by the football field. I believe we're the only public school in the, in the country.
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Yeah, I think there's a couple private schools out there that have them now, but I'm pretty sure Norris was the first school to have because they originally just had one trap field years ago. And, and that was amazing. When I remember years ago telling someone, and this is, you know, right when the, the phones, you know, first came out with all the high tech stuff. And, and I was in this lady's like, no, that's impossible. And I pulled it up on the maps and I showed her and she's like, wow. She goes, you guys are hillbilly out there. And I was like, what? And I was like, no. They just, their school believes in, in their team and you know, Norris has always had a, a very competitive team where you guys actually had a. I think at one time had a paid head coach for the team.
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Yes, yes, he is still paid. I believe that's the page.
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Is it? Okay. Which is cool because how many, how many kids are on your team now?
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I think we're pushing 80, 90. We used to have a hundred. There was a bit of a drop off a couple years ago, but we're still, we're still doing pretty well.
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That's jam.
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Yeah.
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There's some gun clubs out there that don't have that many members.
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There's some shoots that don't get that many people that show up program,
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We start them young, we pick them right out of sixth grade and we see who has potential.
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That's awesome.
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No, and that is, that is the cool thing, you know, with that. And, and now. So when you started, of course the high school, you know, and then your first ATA shoot and I know, you know, looking at your, your records, you know, you just shot locally the first year all around Nebraska, you know, with Crooked Creek, you know, gun club and, and then Beatrice and then what got you the bug to travel?
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It's a, it's a good story. So freshman year I was, I was relatively competitive high school and we were out at a Crete for a school shoot and I tied a well known all American shooter for a handicap that day. And I remember having to shoot off against him and everyone was like wishing me good luck before and everything, not expecting me to win or anything. And I went up there and I ran him and he had dropped one. And I remember coming back and everyone was like the mood had shifted. It was weird. It was like they didn't expect me to win. And I had one man come up and he said, see, George, All American or not doesn't matter. And so that was the first time I heard anyone say All American. So I started doing some research into that and I was like, dad, I think I want to. Want to chase this title, you know, All American title and get into some of the bigger shoots. So then I went to Missouri State shoot a couple weeks later and kind of hooked from there.
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Yeah, because you were at Missouri, then you came out to Vernal. I remember when you came out to Vernal and stuff. And then, yeah, you shot Kansas, Nebraska, of course back to Crook Creek for the July shoot and then came up to Wisconsin and Iowa and then of course, you know, the lovely Grand American. So he went on a ride. Yeah, that is. So did that, I mean, just in that you didn't know the gentleman was an All American when you shot off
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or, or did, you know, I'd never heard of All American. He's a very good shooter, but I'd never heard.
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Never. Never. Yeah, so you're just your average. Just the typical. Because folks, for everybody out there, you know, Nebraska, we've had the longest running you shooting program. I know we've talked about this before multiple times. You know, because I grew up shooting in it and it's a great organization of, you know, all these kids get together every weekend and we have three divisions in the central or in the eastern part of the state. And you got the north division, the Central Division, the Southern Division. And George actually shoots in the Southern division because he's, you know, south side of, of Lincoln. And I think it's. Isn't it Lincoln S or South? Lincoln. South is the Southern all the way to Beatrice and Wilbur Cre.
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All the way out to Nebraska City.
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Yeah, Nebraska City. So they actually have to travel quite a bit versus the Lincoln schools. The. They shoot the Isaac Walton, you know, which George doesn't live too far from the Isaac Walton.
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I spent a lot of time there.
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Yeah, exactly. You know, so it is the cool thing if, you know, and I think we're. Is it our 56th or 7th annual this year?
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I don't know. I, I take your word for it though.
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I can't remember George. I lose track of it every year, but it is a great deal. And so, you know, with starting in that and. And then like you said, you, you caught the Bug now, what kept you going? Just wanting that in that. Just wanting that dangling carrot or. Or what?
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I don't know what kept me going. Because after you do it, make the All American team, like, it's like, okay, it's done. What do I have now? You know, I have a hat or something. So there's. There's got to be a deeper mode of ultimate. I think I just like. I like the mental aspect a lot. You know, concentrate and just pushing yourself. I do like dusting a target. I mean, I love singles, and there's nothing more satisfying to me than turn a singles target.
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Getting a hold of one.
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Getting a hold of one. Yeah, you know, that's.
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What do you. That's great motivation, and you have to. You have to push yourself through that. And, you know, a lot of people, I think there's two different roads. There's people that make the All American team, and then they say, okay, I checked that off my to do list, and I don't need to do that again. And there's people that make the All American team and then say, okay, I did that. I think I can do better. I think I can go higher. I think I could push myself to the next level because, I mean, until you've captained the team, I mean, you're not the best of the best of the best, you know, and not. Not that everybody has that opportunity or that happens for everyone. But, you know, if you're competitive, as I know Rick is, as I know most people are, I mean, you want to. You want to push yourself against yourself to see where you can go and how you lay in the shake of the land. I mean, I. I think that that's. That's a fun and powerful exercise to. To push yourself and. And do better as much as you can. But I did want to circle back at the. At the beginning, George.
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We.
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We. We just kind of glanced over that first hundred straight that you broke at an ATA shoot to give the people some reference. How much practice and work did you do before you went out to your first ATA and broke that first hundred? Because, I mean, it wasn't, you know, it wasn't like first day ever with a shotgun, right? Like. Like you'd been shooting at some level, correct?
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I had just for high school, though. I mean, my high school was really the only trap range I've ever shot at. I'd never shot the Ikes before or didn't have a membership or anything. So it really was just kind of
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pretty early in the season. Pretty early in your.
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Your Career?
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Hell yeah. Yes.
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Just like I went out, shot and said, ah, I'm gonna go out. And you broke 50 already before because you said that. So you knew that. So when you were breaking that 100, George, was it. You broke the first 50. So with. Was that your second 50 you ever broke?
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I think it was my third, but I was very, I was very excited about it.
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Okay, so your third and now when you broke your 75 straight, what, what was going through the, the head?
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I mean, I was shooting with some good friends of mine and one of my friends, like he always had the 75 patch in his phone case. So I really wanted to do it so I could get one of those patches with them. So that was kind of going through my head a little bit, but I was just kind of relaxed up there. I don't remember being too nervous at all.
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Okay.
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Yeah, I was just. And I shot a little 28 inch field gun. So I was just, you know, I started in my shoulder and lifted up. I don't even think my head is on stock. The thing kicked. Yeah, like meal, you know a Ruger Red Label.
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Yeah.
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Well, he's blowing hundreds up with the Red Label.
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Damn. Your face had hurt too, a little bit.
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He's too, he's too good. If George Lee Hunter with the Red Label.
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But they, they do kick, you know, a little bit now. So you're, you're shooting, getting to the, the fourth box. Were you thinking about the hundred straight?
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I was not thinking about the Hunter straight. We shot on microphones for the first 75 and they had to, you know, hand pull our last box. And I think I've had bad experiences with that in the past. So that was in the back of my head a little bit. I would say I was probably a little distracted. We were on the second last post and there must have been some nerves or something and I shot out a turn. I smoked it too. I thought we both did.
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So technically you broke 101. Your first time shooting.
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Broke 101.
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Yes, folks, you heard it here.
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He freaking didn't care. He had that Red Label modified choke going. Glow worm blasting. So George Lee's not to play with
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on your, on your last post was. Did the nerves kick up quite a bit or.
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I don't think they did. I'm being completely honest. I think. No, that's fine. I don't think I understood the, like, I don't think I understood what I was doing.
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That's what I was going to get to next was you didn't. And and that's. That's just being green. You. You didn't understand, you know, what was going on. Just, hey, it's a hunter bird event. I'm sat here shooting, doing what you're supposed to do, you know, so nobody
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told me it was supposed to be, like, hard. I like, you just go out there
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and he didn't know you had to miss.
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Yeah, I had a nice day, and so I just went out there and enjoyed myself. You know, I was with my friends, and so I was pretty relaxed.
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Yeah, well, and that's the cool thing about shooting is, you know, we. I always talk about this. This right here, the mental. The six inches between your ears is what makes it hard. So in. In your case, you know, you just went out there and being green and everything just, okay, I'm just gonna break this target and, you know, break this target and, you know, tell my dad to get a bag of peas for my face when I'm done, because it's gonna. Yeah, but. And George, you know, we talk about that and. And I remember when you came around and. And, you know, you were watching a lot of shooters shoot. You know, you were watching Wyatt, you'd watch our squad, all that stuff, and, you know, and people would be like, I don't know why kids are watching. Here's the thing. I've always said this to everybody. Go watch better shooters shoot, because you learn things, you know, so you were doing. I know there was stuff said in the early times about, you know, all that. And I said, guys, I said, if you're going to blame somebody, blame me. What do you mean? I said, I tell everybody to go watch better shooters. I know, we. And you did nothing wrong, George. Honestly, the only thing you just. You know what I always tell people new shooters is don't go up and ask people how they're shooting while they're shooting. Do it at the end. But there is people that do it. There's people do it to me. How you doing? And I'm like, oh, doing good. And they're, you know, a guy. I seen you miss one. I was like, yeah, I hope that's the only one. Just. But in your case, it was so good that I was like, you know, and I told probably a dozen people, if everybody's gonna be mad, be mad at me. And they're like, well, why? And I'm like, guys, when I was his age, that's one thing that Leo Harrison and actually Frank Hoppy told me. And then Leo even, you know, reiterated it was like, absolutely. And I used to sit and watch them shoot and I didn't talk to them unless they would talk to me, you know, but I watch them.
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You watch them all. I mean, I can remember it at the beginning of my career. All I wanted to do and I didn't care who it was, if they were much better than me or talked about as great. I would go and sit by a tree or go sit on a bench and I would.
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I remember Zach doing that same thing George, he would do. I would see him.
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I got the same. Got the initials on there. Nice four box holder. But the best thing is the buckle holder, folks. That is cool. Got it stamped with initials. It's awesome.
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I love that buckle holder. We can. I'm hanging that right behind me. When we do podcasts, that's a great gift for Christmas. I mean, think about everybody hanging their buckles up. And you know these guys pretty well, right, Rick?
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Yeah, I actually did lessons at Livermore with them here at the beginning of the year with his Jared and his son Carson. There's a nice little pick of us there. And as you can see, it was a little cold in California, but great folks. They support trap shooting, they support trap talk.
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Yep, that's right. You got to get a good mattress if you want to shoot. Well, we appreciate everything you do for us, Jason.
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You know, Rick, I Just love having the peace of mind and knowing that if I'm traveling or I'm flying, something happens, I can get my winig and my Craig off replaced quickly and easily. Without costing me a bunch of money.
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Yeah, exactly. The gun and trophy insurance. It's the best out there to ensure your guns, sure. Your trophy, animals, everything.
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Listen, all I got silver right now. I won't bring the gold out for
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That's right. Thanks for all the support.
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I little Italian, I'd be like, there's Leo, there's Ricky, there's Sean Holly, there's Jimmy Heller, there's Beniaz, there's Kelly, there's Benetti. There's. Freaking all these guys. I was like, anybody that was like, okay, that's the best guy at the gun club today. I'm gonna go watch him. And I want to watch him in doubles. I want to watch him in singles. I want to watch him in handicap.
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And.
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And then I was trying to, like, delineate between what they were doing differently in each one of those games because you're watching them, and then you start to pick up little nuances. Like, oh, Ricky does this in handicap, and then he does this in doubles. Like, you can start to see, like, okay, how is his mind working? What's he thinking about? What's he trying to accomplish here? And it's weird how a lot of the best people in the world, their body goes on autopilot, and they're doing things that you don't.
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You.
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You wouldn't even consciously know they're doing, like, how they're leaning or how they're paying attention in the wind. I mean, it's just like, bam. Natural. And you're like, wow. Like, that guy picks that up. Like he's. He's. He's sensing his environment, if you will. And, and, and the best guys, the best guys will do that for sure. George. And, and I think you probably had a lot of success because you were inquisitive. I mean, the one thing we don't talk about on the show enough is that inquisitive nature of asking questions. Learning, watching that is the biggest part of the game where everybody wants to call in, they ask, they ask questions. What gun do you shoot? What stock do you shoot? What shells do you shoot? What magic formula of items can I put together so that I can be Ricky Marshall Jr. And it doesn't work that way. You have to, you have to, it, you have to not only have things set up the right way, but you have to learn the fundamentals of the game that you really can't take shortcuts on. You have to go through that training and that learning to be able to, you know, rise to the occasion. And, and I can see, based on what I've watched with you, George, you are a very fundamental shooter. I mean, from what I've seen, to break that many singles in a row and be that steady, you've got some really, really good fundamentals that, that I enjoy watching. So I want to parlay into some, some, some technical questions. George, what type of style are you shooting? Are you shooting a, you know, from the house, track it out type of, of trap, you know, traditional? Are you a little bit more of a high gun hold? I mean, what, what would you say your methods are? From singles to doubles to handicap? Currently,
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anyone that knows me knows that I change a lot. Like I'm not, not very consistent in my methods, which I'm, I'm green to the sport, so I haven't really found exactly what works the best for me. But when I had the Browning, I didn't even think about that. I wasn't thinking about holding down the house or anything. I just put the gun up. So I think I was probably pretty level with the Browning. And, and I didn't know much about the eyes, you know, I wasn't using them, you know, as I do now. Last year with the Craig off, I moved to the Craig off. I should circle back. So Ruger,
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the Red Label, the banger.
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C
I shot the Ruger Red Label locally forever. And I had this big old bruise on my face. I was trying to convince dad to buy me a Browning 725 like my friends. Took months like it was, it was very hard to convince them, convinced them of the Browning, started traveling with, that had decent Success with it. I had a decent 300 some run with it in singles and I broke my 100 doubles with it. And then I, I demoed a Craig off at the Grand American last year and I took to it, took to it pretty nicely. And so we, we ordered one of those. And I've shot all last year and all last year. I was down on the house and I, you know, I dug them up like you guys do.
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A
Okay, so, so scooping them out. So you're on, on the house. Your two eyes open, your right, right handed shooter. Left handed shooter. Right, right, right handed shooter. And, and you're just making sure you see the target well and making a clean move. Is that pretty much the whole game? Just acquire and track attention? I mean, is, is there more to it than that?
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C
There's not too much more to it. I would, I'd make sure. I had a real bad problem with looking at my beads. Now I'm a little side lander on the side of my gun and I really like that. I feel like it's helped me a lot.
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A
Okay.
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C
But I put the gun down, the house beads are lined up. And then I really focus on getting my eyes up. I looked way, way above my barrel. And then when that thing came out, I shot as fast as I could.
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A
Was just the, the Brit Robinson style, the Joey Charnigo, just the reckless abandon.
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C
Right.
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A
Just hammer down, you know, you gotta trust yourself.
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C
That's how I view it.
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A
Well, I think that that's probably the bigger part. Right. Like people are gonna hear, shoot fast, but really what they need to hear is trust yourself. Because if you trust yourself and everything is working, you can shoot the target whenever you get to the target, which is when you're there. Now, some targets, you get to them faster. Some targets, you get to them slower based on the angle and where you are and kind of how you're seeing the birds that day. But it all comes back to trust and feel. I mean, to this day, when I'm shooting really, really well, it's not like I'm like, okay, there's the perfect sight picture. Now pull the trigger. It's like I just see the bird and I make a move and instinctively I know. And, and you, you just kind of make that shot off of instinct.
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B
Yeah, you have to have trust.
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A
If you don't, a lot of trust.
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B
And here's what I tell everybody. Your first instinct is usually the right one. It's when people try to judge a target or that, oh, let me. That year, if you hit it it's luck, you know.
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A
Yeah, it's not. It's not pretty when you do that. And, and George, so. So all three games, are you shooting it, approaching it the same way, or do you have any change in doubles or handicap versus your singles?
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C
I approached it the same way all last year. I held down on the house and had my eyes up. Maybe should approach my doubles a little differently. They definitely hurt me in a couple overalls. They weren't the most consistent.
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B
Well, you're still double this one that. You don't want to get your eyes too far up in doubles. And, you know, everybody's different, though. I mean, you got your, your 17, so, you know, you're half the age of Zach and, And, you know, a third of the age of the age of me. Exactly a third of the age, you
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A
know, and he's exactly half my age, too, so we don't have reflexes.
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B
The, the reflexes are, are a lot better. Of course, when you're 17 and your eyes are a lot better. Now you, you wear script, though. And George, folks out there, George's eyes, he's. He's got some bad eyes.
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A
He's got some coke bottle lenses.
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B
You know, he's, you know, what. How bad is your script, George?
- [29:40]
C
I don't know my exact script, but my left eye is oblique, which is like a worse version of astigmatism. So that makes lenses very hard. And I can, I can touch on that if you want right now?
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B
Yeah, absolutely.
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C
My first year, travel in the circuit with my Browning. I just shot like, like glasses Rick is wearing right now. And he can, he can attest to this because he.
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A
Oh, I remember you banging in them little, little things.
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B
I remember I was on him. I'm like, george, you need shooting glasses. You know, Jason's like, ah, you know, he made him shoot a brownie, made him shoot a Ruger Red Label where it beat him up. But, you know, Jason and I went to the same high school, Lincoln High, so it, you know, we tend to, you know, you get hit a few times. That's what happens.
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A
I mean, it's all good.
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C
That's the problem with breaking 100 your first time is that he sees it and you think you can do it every single time. Now it's back.
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B
But yeah, touch on, touch on your. Your eye issue.
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C
Yeah, so I shot in the clear, you know, same size Ricky's wearing right now, little glasses, and I never realized it was supposed to be an issue. You know, you don't, you don't know until you know, and so I had bad all around scores pretty consistently. Like I started the week off well and I'd start running into some trouble. Well, I learned that my eyes were getting super tired from all the exposure to light. And so at the same time I got the Craigoff, I was able to get some decal lenses. I met Rick in a Bryan medical clinic parking lot and he showed me different lenses he had. Yep. And. Or some decots, they're about that thick. And I went down to Vegas and they worked tremendously well. I was super excited with them. I recently have been looking into some pilas. I've had pilas and the inserts didn't work the best for my eyes. The obliqueness was just so much, they'd throw it off. And so I want to get contacts and about a six months journey I've been on getting the correct pair of contacts. It took six times to make my contacts that work to work properly.
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B
So what are your. Are they weighted contacts or.
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C
No, there are, there's Clarols.
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B
So explain what that is.
- [31:48]
C
Like a, an all hard glass and plastic contact and you have a little plunger about this big that you set on top of and then you fill it with liquid and you have to shove it in your eye.
- [31:59]
B
Oh, great. Damn.
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A
That doesn't sound like a fun experience.
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B
George is like, damn, you must really
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C
like to share over the hand.
- [32:11]
B
Yeah, my dad wore contacts and George, I know you've met my dad. My dad's a big dude and he's got huge hands. And I remember watching when I was a kid, you know, trying to put this. And he'd fall on the floor and he'd get all pissed off and you know. And so now with those contacts though, can those be. Can people with stigmatism use those?
- [32:33]
C
Yes, sir. So I tried several different types of contacts. We had a, like a hybrid lens, those hard in the center, supposed to be mesh on the outside. She thought it was going to be perfect for shooting, but they couldn't correct for my obliqueness with it. And so the sclerals allows for more correction and astigmatism as well.
- [32:53]
B
And I'm sure they're a little more pricier than I think they are, but
- [32:58]
C
you only have to buy them twice a year.
- [33:01]
B
Yeah, but here's the deal. I mean, it's like I tell all my students and I was told that, you know, my original eye doctor was Dr. Brad Williams, who at the time he was a double, a 27 double a trap shooter. Bought my first Prozzi from him in 88. But Brad was the. One of the top contact lens consultants in the world. And, you know, they'd always said, you know, with stigmatism, what I have where your eyes shaped kind of like a football, that the weighted context, they don't move fast enough as your eyes do, so there's always that little bit of lag. And I was just doing a clinic over the weekend, and one of the guys in there, he's like, yeah, I tried them, too.
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A
And they were.
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B
He goes, everything was a blur, you know. And I said, yeah, that's the. That's the problem with them, is it. It makes everything blurry. So you've got to. You know, they've always said looking through a, you know, a lens was always better. But, yeah, we'll have to check into this on the. The contact side of it and. And see, because I understand, you know. So you'll be able to wear those then with Pilas?
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C
Yes, that's what I've been doing for school and practice. I love it. I can see 2015 in both eyes. I've never been able to see so good before.
- [34:12]
B
Really?
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A
Yeah. I mean, I would. I would. I mean, I'm not in prescription, so I wouldn't. I mean, I've never had to experience that, but I.
- [34:20]
B
We can't wait till you wear prescription, Zach.
- [34:23]
A
Oh, it's coming. One day, it's coming. Everybody gets there. Right. But. But I would think that if I had the choice, based off what I've heard from the top shooters, I think I would rather do the contacts with Plano lenses than the lenses themselves, because I've heard so many people have problems with the lenses being right or then changing. And, like, if I just get my one set of glasses, that's what I want. And then every year, I get my new contacts redone at different prescriptions. I mean, I don't know what would be cheaper, but I'm sure, like, you know, contacts, a few hundred bucks a
- [34:57]
B
year, the expenses is much different. I mean, it is a little different, of course, with the lenses, but they've always said you see clearer through the lens than you do contacts.
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A
Yeah, but I mean, from. From. I've heard from some shooters, like, the contact technology is probably getting.
- [35:14]
B
Well. Yeah. Now better. Yes.
- [35:16]
A
So, I mean, maybe. Yeah, a long time ago. Absolutely. But. But I'm seeing that. That shift a little bit, and at least people are saying, yeah, this is what I like. And other than the contacts drying out, like, that's the only complaint. Like, eyes get dry and like, that would be an issue in my mind. So. So, George, you know, we've covered a lot. Is there anything that you're specifically like working on now in your game? Is there anything goal wise or fundamental wise that you're like, okay, I'm going to attack this. This year. 2026 is going to be the year that I do this.
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C
Yeah, my game's changed a little bit. You know, I, I was a good single shooter last year, but my handicap was like, it was, it was inconsistent, wasn't horrible, but it wasn't where it needs to be to keep you up there in an overall. Especially shooting against someone like Wyatt. You know, he's a bit of a
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A
roadblock, so he's a lot of road.
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C
He's a lot of road. I've been working on a roadblock for you, bud. Been working on my handicap and so I've had to switch some things from my, from my gun. I've been shooting a lot lower point impact. I shot a pretty high point impact for a while. You know, I was rocking probably 110, 120 recently. And I, I haven't powered it since. I backed it down, but I backed it down to probably 80, 20 or something. And my handicaps gone way up.
- [36:39]
A
Yep.
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C
But I had to relearn the singles and then.
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B
Yeah. Because you couldn't float a target anymore. Yeah. And that. And, and honestly, for all listeners out there, I'm a big fan of the 80, 20. I, I think to, to break targets consistent in all three disciplines. That is one of your best pois. Just because you can set, you know, over, under barrels, everything. You can have all three barrels, 8020, you know. So now is that. Have you shot much doubles lately at all, George?
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C
I've shot a couple hundred the past couple weeks. I'm, I'm feeling pretty good with the point impact on the doubles for sure.
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B
So you back that down too, or is that.
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C
Yes, sir.
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B
Okay.
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C
Yeah. Stays at the same height for, for everything. I would say the double barrel probably shoots flatter than the single barrel.
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B
Yeah.
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C
But I'm making it work and I'm learning to cover the target. Took a, it took a while. And it's not like it's something you think about, you know, like. No, we always say that you set your gun up where your eyes are looking. Well, when my eyes are, you know, two inches above my, above my feet, it's not really something you think about over the, over the summer like I was. But now I'm having to drive that gun all the Way to the target. I think that is the most consistent thing long term.
- [37:56]
B
Yeah. Well, and that's the one thing is, you know, you want to have consistency. And, you know, with consistency, growth comes. And, and that's one of the things. If you're inconsistent, then you're always, you're in the back of your head, you're trying this, or maybe you're trying that or you're, you know, attempted to do this versus your consensual. Like, okay, the process is coming. It's working. Let's just keep, you know, you know, on that. So that is the, you know, good thing. Yeah, I saw, I think your dad posted a video or something. You shooting doubles out the Isaac Walton. You were trying something.
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C
I don't remember what some new choke tubes was trying.
- [38:31]
B
That's right. You were trying the Rhinos. What'd you think of the Rhinos?
- [38:34]
C
I, I love them. I, I don't, I don't know what it is. I love them.
- [38:39]
B
What were, what chokes were you using for doubles?
- [38:41]
C
On doubles, I was using a 17 and a 22. Recently. I used a 17 at 27. I think I'll probably use that.
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B
Yeah, that's, that's what I was going to say. That's what Tyler's been trying them. He, like, he shot him at Collegiate Nationals and shot really well. And, and I'm like, great, here we go.
- [38:58]
C
The brakes, I, I, I've always liked tighter. Like, I'm pretty. I joke guy. I started out with a super full for a long time, and then I backed it down to a full for everything. And I got the Rhino 22000s.
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B
Yeah.
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C
And I, I smashed targets with it, you know, modified choke. I love it.
- [39:25]
A
You know, Rick, when you're riding around your air conditioning and your nice can am and I'm walking, I'm thinking to myself, where do I get one of these things?
- [39:31]
B
At Big Red Motorsports, that's where you get one. George or Jason Lee, they'll take care of you, Zach.
- [39:37]
A
I mean, I need one. I'm tired of riding on the back of that cooler. I want to sit inside that cab and roll around in style. I mean, my face is on the back, but help me out.
- [39:44]
B
Listen, I'm gonna move your face to the bumper is where it's gonna get moved for the new one.
- [39:49]
C
Okay?
- [39:49]
B
All you need is a little quiche and we can take care of you. But listen, Big RedMotorsports.com thanks Jason and George Lee and Big Red Mot Motorsports for all the support. They'll take care of you folks. And it's free delivery.
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A
You know, Rick, the only thing looks better than these hats we're wearing right now is a bunch of gold and silver from Ron Prescott at mid state precious Metal. Show them the goods.
- [40:08]
B
Listen, all I got silver right now. I won't bring the gold out for
- [40:11]
A
Zach, but you know I always want
- [40:12]
B
to get that gold shotgun shells, 10 ounce bars. Folks, he could do anything for you. For all your shoot needs, give Ron Prescott a call. Midstate Precious Metals dot com.
- [40:23]
A
He's a great guy. Support him. He supports all the shoots. He supports Trap Talk. If you're thinking gold or silver, you need to be thinking Ron Prescott at Midstate Precious Metals. Thank you, Ron.
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B
That's right. Thanks for all the support.
- [40:33]
A
Hey, Rick, we got to take a second. We got to thank outlaw engineering and the Fren family for supporting trap shooting and supporting trap talk podcast. They've been here for us. They're great people, you know. You know them real well, Rick.
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B
Yeah, I. I've known Randy since 1988. R2 and. And the family, they're great supporter of the show. Coop just won the autumn grand handicap championship chip with a 97.
- [40:54]
A
I know, I was there. I got to interview him. It was great. I was so proud of him. He's doing a great job. Where's Coop? He's somewhere with that big buckle. He's having fun.
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B
So that's.
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A
You need anything engineering related, get a hold of Outlaw. They'll take great care of you. Great folks.
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B
Thanks for all the support.
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A
Outlaw. You know, Rick, I. I know you've had a lot of involvement with them since the beginning, since they started. But I really love the way that the shot tracker, you know, catches the doubles from shot to shot with the looping. You know, tell the folks what they need to know about that system.
- [41:21]
B
It's the best system out there. It's like having a coach on the end of your barrel, like we say, but going especially in double from first shot to second shot. You can see it on the graph. You can see it on video.
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A
Yeah, I mean, if you talk about that J Hook with Sean Holly and all them, I mean, it'll literally show that loop and I think that's really powerful if you're doing it. They've supported the show since the beginning. They love trap shooting. They're great people. Give them a shot, folks. They make a great product.
- [41:45]
B
Take aim technologies. Well, they. They patterned a little tighter than their numbers on there. They're always like, if it's a 22, it could be a 25 pattern wise or. But there it's something with them and, and I haven't done much testing with them at all. You know, our good buddy Joey, not so slow Joe, you know, he, he shoots them and, and that's how Tyler got the tubes. Joey's like, here, try these. And I'm like, here we go. So, you know, and they were, I watched him shoot super sporting at collegiate nationals with them and I mean he had the 17 in and he was smoking targets and I'm like, okay, so, you know, that's a cool thing. But so are you shooting, what are you shooting then for handicap? The 27 or the 32?
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C
Yeah, I've been shooting the 27, especially for high school. You know, first we go is the 25 yard line. Recently I've been on the 23. You know, the singles have been, singles have been struggling a bit.
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B
Single visitor, you've been up, you've been up shooting with Zach's old teammates.
- [42:42]
C
What if you look at my single scores, if you look at my scores through the high school season, they flip flopped the first three weeks I went 50, 49, 49. But I, I broke good handicap score the first week, but the next two weeks it was tough conditions and I broke a bad handicap score and halfway through I got the handicap figured out. Broke a 45 on the singles and a 47 to win the handicap on a really bad day.
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B
Oh, dang.
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C
Flip them around, relearn the singles.
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B
Yeah, well, and for people out there don't realize, every Saturday what do you guys shoot? Six shoots. Six. Six Saturdays we just had our six. Yeah. So you have conference shoot next week, right? The conference is it Lincoln Travis Skeet and the Isaac Colton. I think junior high shooting at the Isaac Walton and high school's at Lincoln Travis Key.
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C
Correct.
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B
And there'll be like four or five hundred junior high kids and like what, seven, eight hundred high school kids.
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C
I would say something like.
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B
Yeah, yeah, it's. And so for everybody out there every Saturday and it seems like it can be 70 or 80 degrees during the week. Saturday it's 45 blowing and raining.
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C
That's fast. We were pretty blessed this year. We, we got some really good, some really good weather. We had some really windy days near the end. But the first three shoots were pretty, pretty good.
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B
Yeah, I know, but it's, it seems like every year and then we got the state high school shoot coming up, first weekend in May, you know, you know, and it might be nice one day and then it always seems to rain and be, you know, 40 degrees or. I mean, it. It just. The weather could be horrendous, you know, so. But with all that and. And for all the people out there that understand the state of Nebraska, our state has some of the best U shooters by far in the country. I mean, I know last year at the Grand American, the junior team won the. The national, you know, shoot for the singles. I think they won the allaround stuff. The sub juniors did too, you know, and then us on the. On the open team actually won that also the team race stuff. So. But if you look at our state team, I mean, you got, you know, Kane packers on there, Michael Day, which is a junior gold George, you know, my son Tyler, you know, you got Wyatt on there. I mean, you know, everybody, Barrett Debris and, you know, the Peterson brothers, you know, Corbin Skeen, you got all these kids, you know, Gavin Cook, you know, I mean, it's just. It's crazy looking at a lot of this stuff and these kids that the state of Nebraska produces. And it's through the. The high school program, you know.
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C
So, yeah, we're very fortunate to have a program that starts us so young and gives us an opportunity to shoot that many targets and we get to shoot at a nice facility like Donovan.
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B
Yeah.
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C
You know, we're very lucky to go out there and shoot a nice white flyer. That's my favorite part of Donovan. We're shooting these other targets at the other shoots.
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B
Okay.
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C
We get to go shoot a black ring, white flyer. Donovan for high school state.
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A
And that's awesome. And I think that, I mean, the biggest thing that I've took away from it, hearing all the stories, is they've instilled that competitive nature in you guys in that program pretty young and pretty early. You know, it's. It's a coveted, you know, the Corn Husker cup and all these, you know, big things. It's like. It's like folklore legend. Like, oh, my God, I won the. Like there's people talking about that like it's a grand ring. And, you know, their whole life is built on it. And. And it's like, you know, this is. This is cool that it means that much to you and that you're working hard for it because most places and states don't have a program like that at all. So if you have no program, you know, they're just like, well, you know, you get in and you do this and. And you're competing with everyone at your own age group area, you know, roundabout. Right. So it seems like A fun way to introduce them to that competitive spirit and not just a, A, I would call a participation trophy.
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C
Right?
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A
Like, you have to shoot really good to win at that, at that deal. And really. And, and they make it a big deal and everybody wants it. It's. It's that. The, that bragging rights, you know, so,
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B
like we've said, produced so many kids. I mean, you got Dagan Voigtman, you know, Dusty Klein. Dusty won the, you know, the Clay Target Championships when he was 18 years old, you know, and, and stuff. And it's just been a great deal. Just a cool program that, you know, it brings all these kids together that a lot of them don't shoot registered, but they're competitive.
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A
I mean, well, and they could transition to registered really easily. Like, if they said, hey, you won this this year, maybe you should go to the grand, or maybe you should go check that out. Oh, what's that? And then they go and they're like, oh, this is awesome. Right? And because it's just a parlay, it's right into the next thing versus, you know, when you're, you know, you're not affiliated, you haven't competed, you haven't done anything. You're just kind of shooting, you know, on Wednesdays at the gun club alone, by yourself. You know, target here, target there. It's not as exciting. And that wow factor, that energy that, you know, the parking lot being full of trucks and everybody going after the same thing, there's an energy to that dynamic that you feel that you don't necessarily feel when you're out there on your own, you know, just practicing around here and there.
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B
Yeah, well, and in George's case, you know, that's what got him. You know, friends tell him, hey, you ought to shoot this. Shoot. And he goes, that breaks 100 straight. You know, like, ah, this is a
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A
little dingle that dinger he just pounded.
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B
But, George, I, I want to talk about one thing real quick. I see your hat. Faith, race. Explain to our, our listeners that can't see or, or people that can, what is. I know, I know what it is, but what is it?
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C
You know, Faith racist. Yeah, so some family friends of mine, they had relatives and there was a bit of a. A mountain climbing accident. And so to honor their late family member, they started this company based off of his favorite verses of the Bible, Hebrews 12:1, which talks about, like, running a race of endurance with Christ. And so they based their merchandise and their hats off of that verse. So you can see on the side here, it's got the mountain.
- [49:06]
B
Yep.
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C
And it's got the shovel. I can't remember exactly what the shovel stands for, but, yeah, it's just a good reminder of running faithfully in our everyday life. And I like to wear the hat because people ask questions like that. So it's a great way to show your faith and to talk about it.
- [49:23]
B
That's cool. That's. Yeah, that. And that's what. You know, that. That's one thing people do. It's like, you know, I wear the trap talk hat. People are like, what is that, a clay target on your hat? I'm like, yeah. They're like, what's that? I'm like, oh, dude. We do a podcast.
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C
What?
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B
And then you see them on their phone, you know, so show your.
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C
Show your tattoo, Rick. I know that I asked questions about Rick with his tattoos. You know, he's got the God is greater than the highs and lows tattoo. I didn't know what that meant the first time I saw it. So wearing, like, something like that can provoke something to ask a question.
- [49:53]
B
Exactly. And I have the same thing, Jody. That's the only tattoo I have right now. You know, my oldest boy, he's got quite a few. He just got three new ones Friday. Did eight hours a session. Yeah. Traded with, you know, some cool stuff. And. And that's. It's art, you know. But, yeah, this was something that meant a lot to Jody and I because we've been through a lot of highs and lows together. And. And, you know, that's one thing that helped us through, you know, and people don't understand that. You know, some do, some don't.
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A
So it's. It's life. There's always going to be highs and lows. There's always going to be difficulties. There's always going to be celebrations. I mean, and you have to, you know, you have to enjoy them for what they are. You know, no matter what you're going through, this too shall pass. Whether you're at the highest level of your life, this too shall pass. Or the lowest level of your life, this too shall pass. And, you know, you have to remember that. That. That mortality is. We all. We all don't make it out of this journey alive, and we're all living life for the first time. You know, it's not like we had any education on how to do this thing, you know, going into it. And so, you know, it's important to have your faith, and it's important to at least understand that there's always Peril and I guess to dive a little deeper into the faith race. George, with that, did you know the person that passed away?
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C
I did not know the person but I'm good friends with, we have, we
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A
have a mutual friend and it was, it was, and how did it happen? It was racing free.
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C
A free solo like mountain climbing accident.
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A
A mountain climbing accident? Yeah. That's, that's unfortunate but you know the family using it to bring people together and to educate. I mean it, you know something good coming out of something that's, that's horrible and tragic you know and absolutely. And that's, that's part of it. So, so we, we see another logo on your shirt and that's the big red motorsports logo which I, I've seen, I've seen you know Ricky's canvas on the back of his, of his rig where he's rolling around and you know I usually get to ride on the back of the cooler. He doesn't let me in the cab
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B
which I'm, hey, you haven't seen the new deal I'm going to have. Jason, we're going to do a new deal. It's going to be your face on the back but it's going to be on the back.
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A
So I need to speak with your father because I mean I, I don't understand why I'm chop liver I'm riding on the back. I mean I, I, I, I got like 10, 15 bucks. I, I, I'd be interested in figuring out more about these, these, these, these big red motorsport wagon can ams and all the good stuff. So, so let's,
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B
you know, do you,
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A
I'm put you on the spot. Do you physically work for your dad's company? Do you intern or I mean are you learning like what's, what's that like growing up with a dad that owns a company and kind of learning the ins and outs of of the Can Am business.
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C
I do not physically work very often put it that way but I spent a lot of time around dad and I'd like to think I'm pretty business minded. You know I spend a lot of time around someone watching them grow his businesses. You know I've only had bigger Motorsports for three years and it's, you know it's the 19th Can Am dealer in the country out of 900. So he's really, really turned it around. The most that I've learned is just how to treat people. That's, that's the secret to business is his customer service. He's amazing people and that makes People want to do business with them and talk about him. So I would say on the working side of things, I don't work much right now. I'm a high schooler. I shoot trap. I'm just enjoying life, you know, I have my whole, I have my whole life to work.
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B
Yep.
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C
Why force myself to work right now if I don't, if I don't need to? But I do enjoy helping out and talking to people. I'll get messages on Facebook or text asking about machines and I'll do as much as I can. At some point I have to pass them on to dad, but.
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B
And then say I enjoy talking to
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C
people and helping in that I need a little commission.
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B
Dad.
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C
The commission is the shooting.
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A
You know, Rick, I was at the Autumn grand and the Nevada State shoot and I was just really impressed with how I could see where my squad was when I was up. Just the technology, the ability to be able to see what options I've played if the event's paid or not. I mean, what's your experience with, with the app?
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B
Listen, SOS Clay's app, it's the best thing out there, folks. You can see everything. It's great. You see your option payouts. You can see when you're up, you can see who's paid on your squad. Sometimes Zach doesn't pay on time, but it's.
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A
I get out there. But what I really think is, is for gun clubs, it's free. Call Greg, get a hold of him. He'll set you up, he'll get you running. Right. And if you pay the the premium once a year you get free pre squatting in all the shoots. And that's the best value in trap shoot.
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B
Absolutely. SOS clays dot com. Hey Zach, have you been out to 73 Pointers Ranch lately?
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A
You know I have. Rick and Carla Burke have been great. I normally hunt pheasants and chucker down there, but now they got a brand new sporting clays facility and it is top notch. I shot it the other day, absolutely loved it. And if you guys haven't, you need to go give it a check out.
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B
We'll all have to come out and do a little hunting and we'll shoot
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A
some sporty clays then 45 minutes from St. Louis Airport, come see it. If you haven't, guys, check them out. You know, Ricky, I know you used it on your barrels, but do you even know what RGS stands for?
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B
No, Zach, what does it stand for?
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A
Really good.
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B
Well, that is true. It is good stuff, folks. I use it to clean my barrels and it does make them shine.
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A
Only problem is I wear white T shirts when I clean my barrels and I get them all messy so I got to be better at that. But it gets all the plastic, all the gunk out. Give them a try, folks. They're great.
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B
That's right. Give RGS a try. We appreciate all the support.
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A
I just love the way they're covering all the shoots across the country. The content, the pictures, what they're doing online, what they're doing on Facebook, Instagram. What do you think?
- [55:39]
B
Yeah. Traption usa, it's a great magazine. They are the official magazine of our podcast and we are the official podcast of Traption usa. So we really appreciate it.
- [55:50]
A
That's really cool. And what they got is a deal right now. If you put Trap Talk PN for the print version and Trap Talk D for the digital version, it's 19.99 for the print and 9.99 for the digital for one year. You're not going to find a better deal. So subscribe today. You won't regret it.
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B
Absolutely. Thank you for all the support. I know I can see your dad,
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A
he's already got the good program. I forego all the commission for the full ride sponsorship for big red motorsports. I mean, I think value there, you're not going to find any better. I mean meals, lodging, shells, I mean travel, all that. It's a good deal.
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C
So, so I wanted commission.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I need to know more about what you guys do. Is it strictly can ams? Do you carry other brands? Like tell, tell me, tell me about it, George.
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C
We carry can ams, Kawasakis. I think we have some Yamahas. We have a lot of used inventories. We get a lot of trade ins. So we'll take your trade ins, use a pretty good trading value and he'll deliver anything. We'll go pick up your machine, we'll bring you a new one for no, no delivery, free or fee or anything. Yep. What was the, what was the question there? What else do I need to tell you?
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A
The brand, I mean you cut, you covered it. I mean I wanted to know if it's just can ams, if it's other stuff and you carry multiple lines, you do, you know, trade in opportunities. If people want to get rid of their old rig, you guys will take that in. You deliver it anywhere in the country for free. That's a huge, a huge benefit. I know, I know. The biggest thing that people were upset about a couple years ago into Covid was inventory, being able to find what they want and then being able to get it. Because when people want to buy, I would call them fun things, they don't want to wait. Like, you get that itch and you're just like, I want to spend money on whether, whether it's a gun or a Can am or something that's like, you know, a novelty item that's more fun and more enjoyable. Like as soon as you get that itch to spend the money, you want to do it. And then if you wait and they don't have it, like weeks go by, you're like, ah, maybe I changed my mind and I don't want to do it this that you want it, you
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B
want it yesterday is when you want.
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A
Yeah, you, you don't want it now.
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B
Yeah, it's like you got like a gun deal, you know. But yeah, they do carry Zach CF Motos too, but can ams one of the big ones. But CF Moto makes a nice ride. The Can Am though, is the, the top notch, the new HD 11. You know, I always get a two door because I don't want Zach riding with me in the back. So I put him in the trunk.
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A
He puts me in the trunk. I mean, just like I said, chop liver. I'm here for love them. I love them every day. In the back with the cooler.
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B
I will say this, you know, George didn't touch on there is two locations, o', Neal, Nebraska and Syracuse, Nebraska on the newest location. And you guys will see I'm going to be doing a video here in the next day or so out there with some what some of the inventory is. But you know, Jason bought this about three years ago as a green owner of a UTV side by side business. And he has built it, like George said, into number 19 in the nation because he's got the grit and the wherewithal to, you know, I want to make this big and better because, you know, your, your dad's main business is surface sealers.
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C
I'm here right now.
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B
Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. I figured you were down there at surface sealers, so, you know, and, and they do commercial building. The floors, you know, those nice floors and stuff and. But yeah, yeah, the epoxy and it's, it's cool though that Jason was like, I'm just gonna make this cyberside dealership grow.
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C
And yeah, he was willing to take a risk. It was up by our farm. It went up for sale for, you know, a decent, a decent enough price that he was willing to buy it and take the risk.
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B
Yeah.
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C
And he had a good reputation up there with cows and farming. We're out of that now. You know, turns out side by sides don't die. You don't gotta feed them every day.
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B
You don't have to go out in the middle of the night and go try to find a calf or anything.
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C
So yeah, he likes dealing with the side by sides a little bit more and he had a good reputation up there and was able to take. Turn it around. Yeah, it's really pretty admirable what he's done the past, even in the first year.
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B
Yeah. And, and that helps you, George, as you're sitting with him side by side, not, you know, working for him, so to speak, but you're learning by his mistakes and truce, what's going on? So you're understanding the business and that's honestly hands on like that. What you're getting out of it is, is better than going to school for something like that.
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C
Correct.
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B
You know, you're good.
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A
Yeah. I mean at the end of the day they can always teach you something out of a book, but there's actual application. Right. And until you get into that. Actual hands on application.
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B
Yep.
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A
I will always say that the learning that you, you receive in life from doing and being around someone, that's doing, you hang out with someone successful or someone running something, you're going to be able to pick up a lot of stuff very, very quickly instead of like watching a video or reading a book. I mean, and that's, that's a powerful tool that's going to help you in your life, George, because you've been around it and you understand it and you have that mentality of, well, if I want to do this, I can, I can take risks, I can, you know, build my own business, I can be my own boss, I can set my own schedule. Where a lot of people, they come from a place where that's not something that they were raised around and they don't know how to bridge that gap. So they just are, you know, they, they want to go get a job or you know, whatever that might be. And neither one of them is wrong. I mean they're both, they're both viable ways to, to make a living and live your life. You just have to choose what life you want to live. You know, there's pros and cons with, with, with all things and I'm sure there's days where your dad comes home and he wants to turn off the business, but there's no turning it off. It's 24 7, 365. It's always there. And you know, where if someone, you know, worked for a company and they clock out, you know, maybe they leave that at home, leave that at the office. Right? So there's, there's, there's pros and cons to everything. But, But I guess my question for you, George, is if somebody wanted to get a hold of one of these magnificent machines of, of. Of. Of trap shooting excellence, where would they, where would they, where would they go? Is their website, is their phone number? I mean, what do we got to do?
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C
There's a website, big redmotorsports.com. i think you guys sometimes flash dad's number on the screen. Oh, yeah, you can do that right now.
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A
I don't know, John. That's a cue. That's a plug.
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C
Come on, John.
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A
Here, there, down, wherever it is, you
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C
can message me or dad on Facebook. I'd like to think we're pretty, pretty easy to get a hold of. So you contact either me or dad. We can get you set up.
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A
Yeah, and, and I will, I will give you guys a compliment. I mean, other than Ricky's, because nobody could miss Ricky driving around in that thing. But other than Ricky's. I've noticed there's a ton of these things at the shoots. I mean, you go to Ohio or you go to the grand or you go wherever. And it's big red motorsports all the way up and down the line. I mean, these, these rigs are really clean. I love the coolers. I love the colors that you guys pick out. I love the hats that you guys do. I've got the red one and I've got the green one. I didn't have them today, but.
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B
Yeah, those.
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A
Yeah, those are awesome. I mean, they're. They're like the Richardson bill 112s, which is the same ones we do when we do mesh backs. And I, I mean, shout out to Richardson 112. They're not giving us anything. But I, I just love that damn hat. I mean, that's my, that's like my go to if I'm gonna wear a trucker's cap and mesh bill in the back. I mean, it just fits well and seems to do the job. And you guys, you guys are always looking sharp. Love the shirts and love what you're doing for trap shooting. I mean, you guys support the shooters. You guys give back.
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B
They're doing a lot of stuff with, with shooting. You know, I know dad's doing some stuff with Nebraska state. Shoot, he's Done some stuff with the Cardinal center in Ohio and stuff and you know, with myself, Ryan Glow and, and Justin Debris, you know, and we're just out there promoting it and stuff. And we get calls all the time and I tell people, listen and I tell them, hey, if I'm coming to a clinic or a shoot or something and you want one, let me know. I said, if I got room, I could throw it on. And well, we'll, we'll deliver. And they're like, well, yeah, but what about all these fees? And they're. You call him, here's the price. That's it. There's no, it's this. Oh, we forgot the dock fee and the, you know.
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A
No, it's, I don't like no doc fee. Us Italians, we don't pay, we collect dock fees. We don't pay them. You know, that's, it's a whole other show.
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C
But, but George, no, there's no fees. There's nothing, nothing sketchy getting slipped in at the end there. And we love trap shooting and we're very forgiving the trap shooters. You know, we love, we love helping the sport out. And it makes a difference riding around one of those all day as opposed to, you know, being out sun and everything. Yeah, you can relax for a bit and be in the, be in your
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B
side by side, especially the air conditioned one where the air is blowing on you. You know, we got to roll the window down so Zach can get some air in the back. So it's okay.
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A
Yeah, I'm just out there just hoping that a little breeze once in a while. Yeah, you know, it is what, it's my story. Let me tell it how I want. Okay? I can control that at least. Now I, I appreciate you coming today, George. You know, we appreciate Big Red being a sponsor of the show first and foremost. You guys seen what we were doing and you wanted to be a part of it and you've seen that we were trying to, you know, help the sport of trap shooting grow and, and you were there. So, you know, that means a lot to us and you know, and I appreciate the rides that I get on the back of Ricky's card every once in a while. It's, it's, it's fun, you know, it's, it's, it's all fun in games, but we're going to see a lot of great things out of you, George. I know in the future you're probably going to go on some more big dominating singles runs, run more doubles, maybe punch that Hunter from the 27 soon. So, you know, we're excited to see what you've got. And we'd also, if you could tell your father we'd love to have him on the show one time if he'd love to be on. I know how busy he is growing this business, but he's just like, busy, busy, busy, busy selling. Selling can ams.
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B
He said, george, get on the show. No, no, it's, you know, Jason is busy. I mean, running businesses is not easy, you know, so. But, you know, we appreciate everything in Georgia. It's cool to hear your story and especially talk about, you know, going back to you breaking your first singles targets ever was 100 straight. You know, that's what's cool and that's what's going to resonate with a lot of the listeners is, wow, he did this the first time out. And you know how. And, and you know, and you did it with a Ruger Red Label.
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A
He didn't know that he had to miss. Yeah, that's. He figured out like, like that's the secret. Like, if you don't know that you have to miss, then it's a little easier. And that nervous, like, he didn't get nervous because he didn't have that expectation that it was a big deal. Right. Like, it's.
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C
Yeah.
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A
And. And that happens so many times with people that are so green into something when they just naturally just try to do it is. They don't understand that it's hard yet. They haven't figured that out. And that's why they, you know, they kind of hit a high and then they go down into the ditch when everyone tells them, oh, that was such a big deal. And then next time they're like, you know, nervous going into the same thing that they've already done. And I, I think we get in our own heads. We. We talk ourselves out of victory all the time. Something easier about that. But. But George, before we go, is there anyone else you'd like to thank or anything you'd like to leave the listeners with?
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C
Yeah, I have no sponsors or anything, so I'd like to thank mom and dad, you know, my number one sponsors. They're paying for it and taking me everywhere. So I really appre that I would like to leave you guys. One thing is that if you don't know, you don't know. So, like, it's very hard to learn the etiquette in this sport, especially jumping on the. Jumping on the scene so fast. And so you have to be very open to listening to people like, you Might not think you're in the wrong or did anything wrong but you need to listen to people and take their advice because they've been there. So it's good to go and watch and learn. But you got to be careful with the things you say. And yeah, that stuff can affect people. So you have to be willing to take the constructive criticism.
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B
Absolutely.
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A
Yeah. No, that's, that's very helpful advice I think. You know, in, in this world we have most people, they have, you know, an ego and they have pride. Right. And now everybody has it. And there's always, I'd say two sides to every story, two rights on every everyone's mind. Right. And being open minded enough in life, in anything, whether it's trap shooting, business relationships to say, you know what, I want to look at something from a different point of view and I want to learn something from this and I want to advance and make myself a little bit better. That's the greatest thing you can do. I mean just constant improvement. And George, I appreciate you sharing that with the listeners and I hope they take it in and maybe some of the so called know it alls in the world will say oh maybe I have some things that I need to learn or some things that I could adjust or change. So well thanks everyone for tuning in. Happy Friday. Like Share subscribe Get your merch at our website. Ricky's wearing the classic. We're excited to move into the shooting season. We got some big stuff coming up at the Cardinal center this year. You know they're giving lots of silver given gold. We got the back fence shootout. We got all kinds of great stuff coming down the line and I'm excited for it. We're right here into the summertime. We're getting ready to launch off and then we're going to be out there doing what we love. So look forward to seeing you all at a shoot nearby. Say hi and don't forget to to send your comments and questions in. We'll see you.
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B
Thanks everyone. Good luck.